Big Blue Kickoff Live 7/22 | Players Arrive for Camp

John Schmeelk and Lance Medow preview Giants training camp, talk about the roster position by position, and take calls from fans.

:00 - Players arrive for camp

6:35 - Roster breakdown by position

32:45 - Youtube questions

40:25 - Calls

49:20 - More YouTube questions

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Speaker 3 (00:27):
Hello everybody, and welcome to Tuesday's edition of Big Blue
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the New York Football Giants. I am John Schmelt, joined
by Lance Meadow. Mister Meadow, how are you, my friend?

Speaker 2 (00:38):
I'm doing well? How about yourself?

Speaker 3 (00:39):
The players are in the building. There's some energy in here,
despite Pearson being dour as usual. It's very active here
in the Quest Diagnosis Trading centers. The players arrive here
for camp. We are here in the Hackensack and Marine
Health podcast studio. Keep getting better. So I know we've
kind of done camp previews this whole time, but it's
the day the players are here, so I thought we

(01:00):
get a little bit, kind of into the weeds a
little bit, which is what we like to do here
in terms of what we're gonna be looking for. Camp
this year, we'll talk about some of big picture stuff,
but more of the in the weed stuff that someone
that sits out there at every practice and watches every
jowl will be keeping an eye on Lance, you know,
usually in June. I'm like, I can't wait to get
my a couple weeks off and relax. But I said

(01:23):
this to Paul last week. I think I'm ready for
it to start now, Like I'm ready to see our
first football game now less than two weeks the Hall
of Fame game. We're under fifty days, so the first
regular season game, which happens to be Cowboys and Eagles.
I know that'll be just a hate to watch thing
for Giant fans, but I'm sure they'll watch it because
it's the first game of the season, it's in the division.
But I'm excited to get things going here and then

(01:45):
seeing this Giants team come together over the next four
to five weeks.

Speaker 5 (01:48):
Yeah, I'm with you. I think that you know, we've
waited long enough. We have speculated, we've gone through the draft,
we have tried to put the pieces together with respect
to what this roster is going to present. But I
think right now we're all itching to get back on
the football field. Then. You know, throughout the course of
the offseason, whenever we talk about the outlook of players
and even observations from OTA's there's only so much you

(02:11):
could take away because they don't have the pads on
and there's no physicality. So now we're I remember, this
is not going to happen right away. They're not going
to go straight into the pads and those ultra physical practices.
But we're a lot closer to at least truly evaluating
players in the capacity of what we expect from the
regular season. So that's what I'm most looking forward to,

(02:31):
that maybe we can finally put the speculation on the
back burner and start to actually see some tangible evidence
out of what may take shape with respect to this roster.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
Yeah, absolutely right, I'm with you and your right lance.
We're not going to see our first padded practice until
the earliest Sunday. They have three days of unpadded practices.
They build up. They go from an hour and a
half to an hour and forty five minutes to two hours.
All of those are just in you know, shells or
shorts and T shirts. They have a day off on Saturday,

(03:01):
and then on Sunday, you get your first day of practice,
and there's a good chance that could be a padded practice.
In fact, I can I think I've that written down.
When that first padded practice is going to be Sunday,
it looks like is not a padded practice, I thought so.
So they'll do a come back from the day off.
They'll have two practices and shells. Then their first padded

(03:22):
practice will be Monday, the twenty eighth, Then Tuesday, the
twenty ninth, they're off on Wednesday, they're in shells again
on Thursday, and then they have padded practices on Friday,
August first, and Saturday August second, and then you're kind
of in pads more or less for the majority of
camp from then on out. But they do do a
good job of ramping up your lands and being careful
in terms of how they get these guys ready so

(03:44):
you avoid injuries, which really, when we get into our
whole thing here and you talk about what to look
for in training camp, the first thing and the most
important thing that happens in training camp every year is
to keep your team healthy. Because you can win a
Super Bowl in training camp, you can lose your training
camp if the wrong guys get hurt. So that's always
the most important thing, Lenz, keep your guys on the field.

Speaker 5 (04:05):
Yeah, I mean, it's very similar to any other athlete
in any other sport, especially if you're a track and
field star. You're not gonna go immediately out there and
go one hundred percent. You're going to gradually build up.
And this is nothing new. We've seen multiple coaching staffs
come and go here with respect to the Giants, and
they have all followed the same exact philosophy. You ramp
up progressively. That's why you said Monday the first padded practice. Okay,

(04:29):
so we're a little less than a week, but they're
gonna have multiple practices, multiple efforts out on the field
before all of a sudden they start amping it up
to the level of where guys are gonna be hitting
each other near the line of scrimmage or down the field.
So it's the sensible maneuver. It's no different than what
we see out of other teams, because you know, we've
seen some pretty notable players go down.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
And I'm not just talking about the Giants.

Speaker 5 (04:52):
I'm talking about across the league, whether it's recent history
or past history, and if your depth chart is not
ready to absorb it, you could in for a root
awakening before the season even starts, or you now test
the front office where they have to now look at
some of the street free agents or potentially who may
be available on the waiver wire. And that's the last

(05:12):
thing that a team wants to have to do, especially
after once again you put in all that time and
homework into bringing guys in in free agency and the drafts.
So I'm sure fans they want to see the pads
get on immediately, but this is the wise game plan.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Let them take even I.

Speaker 5 (05:29):
Would say it wouldn't surprise me if they wanted to
push it back even beyond Monday and have a full
week before they start. But hey, Brian Davin and couple,
they've been around the players. They know what they're doing.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
But that is.

Speaker 5 (05:39):
Absolutely priority A, B and C before you even get
to later D. The last thing you want to do
is have a guy who also Remember, they've been a
few weeks without being on the football field. I'm not
saying that the majority of the roster hasn't been working out,
but they've been out on their own. They've been with
their private trainers, or whatever it may be. That's more
of a reason why you don't want to throw them

(06:00):
back onto the field and expect that everybody's gonna be
right back into rhythm immediately.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
Yeah, and more or less just taking old of the
practice schedule, they are not going to practice for more
than three consecutive days throughout camp, which makes sense. Yeah,
and you're not gonna have more than two consecutive padded
practices either, So again that's an effort to get the
guys ready but at the same time keeping them healthy.
All right, Lance, I'll let you go first. I know you.
We want to attack to a couple different ways. Guys
that have most to gain things to keep an eye on,

(06:28):
can't battle, So I'll let you go first, hit whichever
one of those you want, and then I will give mine.

Speaker 5 (06:33):
Sure, Well, I want to start with the players with
the most to gain. I think that's by far, john
the most intriguing storyline. Not to say that there's not
positions up for.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
Grabs, but they'll define most to gain format.

Speaker 5 (06:45):
Well, most of gain means that a you can either
solidify a roster spot so you're on the bubble. Okay,
that would be my first definition of that like that.
My second interpretation of that would be that you were
in Maybe I'm going a little bit too far, but
coming off of last season, you were in the doghouse
and it's now an opportunity to remove yourself from the

(07:07):
doghouse and put your name back into the spotlight for
a positive development. And then the third definition interpretation would
be you could very well win a starting job.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
So those are the three factors.

Speaker 5 (07:21):
That I want you to keep in mind, as well
as our audience when we're talking about players with the
most to gain, and that by far is on the
minds of a lot of players. But there are two
guys that take the cake in this department and they're
both on the offensive side of the ball. Number one
is Jalen Hyatt. Okay Hyatt, who we have seen shown

(07:43):
flashes and we're not talking about flashes in training camp practices. John,
We're talking about flashes in regular season game. But he's
dealt with the revolving doric quarterback. He's dealt with being
in the lineup then completely disappearing from the lineup. Well
here now, oh, year three, I can't think of a
better opportunity. Also, when you look at the depth outside

(08:06):
of the top three wide receivers. It's not overwhelming where
you're saying to yourself, oh my god, I gotta beat
out the fourth to fifth and the sixth guy. No,
you can be the fourth to fifth or the sixth guy, so.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
Or he's gaining three. So where he is gaining and
has the potential to gain most is to become part
of the regular starter rotation without a doubt, got it.
I'm with you on that. Not fair.

Speaker 5 (08:26):
I wouldn't go so far to say that he's getting
into the top three to be a starter, But you
could be a rotational guy and still have a nice
commodity and volume of snaps when it comes to the
regular season. So he has that, And then I also
think year three we talk about this John for multiple
positions critical year rights only.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
He's got two years left until he hits free agency.

Speaker 5 (08:51):
So you look at it from that standpoint. You're not
just see if I'm Jalen Hyatt, I'm not just looking
at what can I do for my Giants opportunity. This
could also be what can I do for my NFL
career moving forward? So that's why it's really twofold and
I let off with him because and I'm curious her perspective.
I don't think there's somebody else that I would skyrocket

(09:13):
above him with the most of the game. I'll give
you one, Okay, I think Evan Neil, which is gonna
be the second guy on my life.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
Heading into his free agency. So he's a guy hi
it as one more year after this. Yep, Evan Neil
does not changing positions, much like Jalen Hyatt, not penciled
in as a starter at the beginning of camp because
the Giants had the potential of bringing back and starring
their same five guys from last year. Brian Dable has
not committed to anything in that regard, but he has

(09:39):
a chance to win his way into the lineup playing
a new position. And we've seen guys moving from tackle
to guard in this league create a second life and
opportunity for themselves, and I think this is a chance
for Evanil to do that. You know, Greg van Rold's
an older guy, he's over thirty. I assume he's gonna
get a number of veteran days, which means he's probably
gonna get a you know, Neil get a ton of
opportunities over the course of camp, to show that he

(10:01):
should be in the rotation or in the starting lineup
of guard. So that's the other individual aands that I
would put in there that I think does have a
lot to gain. Again, not just for his Giants career,
but how does he set himself up hitting into fer
agency this offseason? Did the Giants get halfway through the
year he's playing so well guard they just want to
extend them. He doesn't even get the free agency, you
know what I mean. So him to me heading into

(10:23):
his fre agency year is one of those guys that
really has the most to gain.

Speaker 5 (10:25):
Yeah, well, and the urgency that's a fair differential. Neil
is going to hit the market assuming he doesn't re
sign with the Giants, whereas Hyatt still has another year.
I guess the way that I'm looking at it more
of and not to say that Neil can't start, but
if Neil doesn't win a starting job, I think it's
gonna be a lot tougher for him to make a

(10:47):
significant impact even for his NFL future, because the best
opportunity is put film out there right, show what you
can do if you're not a starting offensive lineman. Unless John,
they're really finding ways for you to be a sixth
offensive lineman, it's gonna be hard for ample opportunities on
the field. Whereas Hyatt, Okay, he doesn't have to win
a starting job, but he could still play and prove

(11:10):
that a he belongs on the roster or he belongs
elsewhere moving forward.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
So here's how differentiate it. I think Neil has it's
more critical and there's more to gain for him. But
Hyatt probably has an easier path than Neil does playing
time in snaps. I wan with you on that well.

Speaker 5 (11:26):
And also the other part of the equation is you
could say Evan Neil has a lot more riding on
his current end two to three year future based on
this training camp, whereas Jalen Hyatt. I don't know if
he has as much on the line in training camp,
but over the course of this season there's a lot

(11:48):
more riding for Jalen Hyatt.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
I got one other player for most to gain, I'll
go Deontay Banks on defense.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
That's fair.

Speaker 3 (11:55):
I think you know it's gonna be a competition to
him in Cordel Flotta, who's starting at that cornerback spot
much like Jalen Hyatt heading into year three. Unlike Jalen Hyatt.
He's a first round pick, so the Giants will have
to make a decision on his fifth year option after
this year, So you want that fifth year option picked up.
Play better. And he's got a new coaching staff in
terms of his defensive backs coach and qurnerbacks coach specifically,

(12:18):
can he put it all together and be a more
consistent player? So that would be probably the one other
guy that I would put out there for for most
to gain in terms of guys on the offensive and
defensive sides of the ball.

Speaker 5 (12:30):
Yeah, the only other player that I want to throw
out John and I wouldn't put him in the same
stratosphere as these three guys, but I think there's an
opportunity you're smirking here.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
At you want to get?

Speaker 6 (12:41):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (12:41):
John Michael Schmidz No, John Michaels. He's a starter ady.
That's why I decided not to put him in the conversation.
So it was actually on the defensive side of the ball. Nope, Okay,
I give up that.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
Okay, No, I'm gonna throw it.

Speaker 5 (12:51):
I think Chauncey Golston, Okay, I like that. I like
that one of my favorite free agents signings.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
Yeah, me too.

Speaker 5 (12:57):
I liked him to really love the addition because I
think he's an under the radar guy, even though he's
a polished veteran, very productive from Dallas. I think he's
the perfect complementary piece to what they have in the
pass rush. But there's a lot of bodies up front, John, Right,
So if you're Chauncey Golston, Okay, you're saying to yourself,

(13:17):
I'm probably not going to play a high volume of
snaps every single game, but I've got to make the
most of my opportunities to stay on the field and
get the numbers and production where I want it to be.
So Golston, to me, is an intriguing I don't think
he's battling for a roster spot, but I think he's

(13:37):
fighting for playing time, snap count, and he can maybe
elevate himself in that department over the preseason camp to
then launch himself right into the mix come week one.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
No question, I agree with you, all right, can we
get into the weeds here.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
Let's get into the weeds. I'm all for it.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
So we've talked about starting jobs. We already mentioned the
guard spot and offense. We talked about the cornerback spot.
We talked about that a lot last week. Defensive tackle,
We've talked about who's starting next to Dexter Lawrence. We've
talked about all those. All right, here's some of my
deep down the depth chart conversations with which I'm gonna
find interesting. You mentioned a wide receiver. You have your
top four, you have a mere smith Mars said, who's

(14:19):
you're a tournament of number five? Do they keep a
sixth wide receiver? And who would that potential six wide
receiver be? I could easily see them saying, look, we
have so much confidence in our top four guys, we
don't need a sixth. The Giants have many times not
gone into a season with six wide receivers. But can
somebody from the little Jordan Humphrey Zach Pascal group do

(14:43):
enough on special teams to say, all right, we can't
lose this guy, right, Can one of the young guys
they have five undrafted rookie free agency wide receiver. Can
one of those guys make a case that, look, you
can't risk trying to put us on the practice squad.
Is I these two monster preseason games we need to
keep you? So the back end of that wide receiver

(15:04):
depth chart is something to me. And although Bryce Ford
weed into that Pascal little Jordan Humphrey special team situation,
does someone earn that sixth wide receiver spot.

Speaker 5 (15:15):
Yeah, I think that's certainly a position to watch. And
I would go so far to say, when it's all
said and done, John, we may not even be talking about.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
That there is six guys.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
I agree with you.

Speaker 5 (15:26):
I think we could see a cutoff at five, and
that means they'll leave guys on the practice squad. But remember,
we don't know how the health of this roster is
going to play out, and that's going to dictate a
lot more than anything else. But if I just look
at the necessity of the roster and I say to myself, Okay,
you need your top three guys, you need Smith Marsett

(15:48):
because you need somebody to be a deadly returned guy,
and then Hiatt perhaps emerging. I think from a numbers perspective,
I think you have enough to start the season. I
don't think you're putting yourself to precarry as spot, and
you could very well put Bryce Ford we did on
the practice squad.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Are you that worried that.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
You would lose him?

Speaker 5 (16:08):
I'm not I'm not in them, and none of these
other guys I'm worried about. I'm not worried about losing
little Jordan Humphrey or Zach Pascal, even though Pascal has
been in the league for quite some time, and.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
Those old Jean Humphrey, he has been on the at
least four year career.

Speaker 5 (16:19):
So even one of your proven vets, you could store
him on the practice squad and if need be over
the first few weeks of the season, you call him
up from the practice squad. That's the beauty of the
recent changes to the rules and regulations. You have the flexibility.
I know a lot can happen before the season starts,
but if you were to ask me to project right now,
I'd roll the dice with five as opposed to six.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
And I think I would do that too, because Lance,
I don't see how this team doesn't keep four tight ends.
I think Theo Johnson, Daniel Bellinger, Chris Manhertz and Thomas Faedoni.
And by the way, I didn't even mentioned you know
Jermaine Terry, whos an undracted for Agian, but Gregg Dulcet,
who has another unique skill set.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
And has played with Russ so Wilson previously.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
Yeah, he's probably, you know, the most dynamic downfield threat
of the group. But all these guys have a slightly
different skill set where I think there's a good reason
to keep on the roster. You think Theo Johnson's your
all around guy that's going to start for you. Daniel
Bellinger has done a lot in that fullback h back spot.
That's his kind of specialty. Chris Manhertz is your in
line blocker. Fidoni, as I mentioned, is like your you know,

(17:23):
big potential rookie that you try to slide in there
a little bit. Dulcis is your team. I don't see
how you don't keep four tight ends. So, and now
combine that with the running back, right, because then we
have all three skill positions. I think you probably only
keep three running backs, right. I don't know how if
you're keeping Tracy Singletary in Scataboo, I'm not sure there's
room for a fourth guy unless they're going to significantly

(17:46):
contribute on special teams. So I think we talked about
five at wide receiver. Let's you keep four tight ends,
that's nine, three running backs, that's twelve. I think you're
looking at probably twelve players from those three groups together
when you're trying to figure out your roster construction.

Speaker 5 (18:03):
And I'll throw in, you're gonna keep three quarterbacks too.
It's a point in mind, the point you need the
flexibility with respect to the roster. I'm glad you brought
up tight ends because while we're on the topic, that
to me is the one position battle across the board
that I am most interested. I would say after THEO,
but you could probably include THEO.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
I think the depth chart's wide open. John.

Speaker 5 (18:25):
I think all of these guys can make a case
to be the number two guy, the number three guys.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
I think Man a movement here.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
I think manharts his pigeon holed into his role. How
you want to rank him on the depth chart, that fine,
but his role is his role. The other guys, I'm
with you. I think guys will have the opportunity to
earn bigger roles if they play well enough to earn them.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (18:44):
I mean, look at the landscape right now of this
depth chart that we're taking a glance at.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
But if you compare this to the rest of the.

Speaker 5 (18:51):
League, how many teams would say Greg Dulciic is perhaps
at this stage their fifth tight end right in his
experience I'm talking about and still the youth movement that
is showcased on this roster. Theo Johnson's only in year two.
FDONI was just drafted and Bellinger not too many years ago.

(19:12):
We were talking about him may being the guy and
he dealt with his fair share of injuries. Remember when
he had the eye injury and he missed time. But
it wasn't as if that was ages ago john that
we were talking about. Wow, Bellinger could really be a playmaker.
And I'm not telling you anything away from Bellinger, but
it's almost like he's become the forgotten individual in the mix,
or the stepchild for the lack of a better phrase,

(19:34):
because of some of these other younger guys that have emerged,
And that to me is the best example to show. Hey,
you know, if you have a good productive camp, you
could convince the coaching staff. Okay, you want to say
man Hurts is maybe limited in terms of the versatility,
but the other guys if you want to have some
type of a presence as a tight end pseudo wide receiver,

(19:54):
especially if as we're mentioning, they're only going to keep four,
because let's face it, Smith Mars said is only going
to a special team. He's not running out and catching passes.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
So the tight end though, he did tell me in
our Giants Total podcast that he does want to dip
his toe into that pool.

Speaker 5 (20:08):
And I know playing him for feeling that way, but
I'm sure if you ask the NFL Lands game a
lot of other guys that would feel the same way.
It's just a numbers game. There's only so many snaps
that could be hitted out.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
I agree with that.

Speaker 5 (20:18):
The point is a tight end could very well be
the fourth fifth option in this offense, right, and multiple
guys could establish themselves there.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
And no, tight ends can always play a big role
in special teams too, so you can show you can
block on kick return, block on punt return, playing all
those special teams groups. That'll help you too when it
comes to finding your way on the field. And then
the numbers game at offensive line is interesting, lads, because look,
I think I'm going to give you eight names that
I feel like are on the roster no matter what. Okay,

(20:50):
and I can even argue with nine. So the five
starters that started last year, James Hudson was brought in
as a swing tackle. That six. Evanie would be seven.
They drafted Marcus Bowl and the fit that's eight. And
I don't know about you, I'd be pretty surprised if
Aaron Stinny wasn't on this roster. You know, he was
the number one guard off the bench last year. He's
gotten first team reps at times over the course of

(21:11):
the spring. He's a veteran that I think they trust,
so I'd be surprised. And I think they keep ten
offensive linemen and then you got to figure out who
that next guy is going to be. Do they trust
Marcus Bow to be your second offensive tackle off the
bench after James Hudson, or does that push Stone Forsyth
onto the roster? Does that push josh A Zudu onto

(21:32):
the roster? Jake Kubas is somebody that they had really
high hopes for last year at guard. But then you're
talking about keeping Stinny, Neil and Kubas. That's three backup
guards on your roster. I don't know if you want
to keep three guards and Neil give you some position
flex to tackle. I don't know if you want to
mess with that. But those guys aren't necessarily super flexible.

(21:52):
Then again, if you keep Greg Van Rohan as your
quasi backup center. If John Michael Schmitz gets hurt, well,
then maybe you do indian extra backup guard if Greg
Van Ronds also a backup center. So I think how
the back end of that offensive line group shakes out
will be interesting to watch too.

Speaker 5 (22:08):
I view Van Roaden as the emergency center as it
stands on right, emergency or backup, well, emergency slash backup.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
I guess I use it somewhat interchange. Well, would you
put another center on the roster if.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
Van Roaden is still there? Is what you're saying.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
Let's say you're starting five, as you're starting five from
last year, would you put a Schlotman or a Morrissey
on your roster just as the backup center.

Speaker 5 (22:32):
No, because I'd be comfortable moving Van Roden there if
anything happened to John Michael Schmidz, because that's why my
feeling is, I'd rather have more versatility with guard. I
agree with you, because here's the thing. If we go
down this hypothetical road John and John Michael Schmidz gets hurt, Okay,
so you're gonna move Van road into center now you
have right guard open, so I need more guard availability

(22:55):
and flexibility. Then I'm worried about the center position. And
I feel a lot better about Greg Van Roadin sliding
into center than those other two guys. Now, Schlotman I
know has been in the league. If Shelton has played
a lot, yes, I'm not saying that he doesn't have
the experience, but I'd still put Van Roaden over him
if once again I had to flip the switch at center.
So to me right now, as it stands, I want

(23:18):
to have reliable options at guard and most important players
that I feel comfortable that in a pinch I can
move them to right or left and it doesn't matter
because they either have previous experience there or they've been
exposed to that during training camp.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
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Blue kickoff live. So let's shome to the defensive side

(23:57):
of the ball here. I think how many defensive tackles
they keep will be interesting. So you have dexter Lloyance,
Lawrence Roy Robertson, Harris Rakeem nun Yez Rochez Nacho. Jeremiah
Ledbetter was a veteran addition, You're ready up to four.
Darius Alexander was a third round pick. That's five. DJ

(24:17):
Davidson is someone these like. That's six. Jordan Riley seven,
Elijah Chapman played a lot last year. Eight, and I
thought Elijaharacia frankly played at roly Walt last year. That's nine.
You're not keeping nine interior defensive linemen. So you're gonna
have to cut guys that either were prior draft picks
or free agents you just brought in here this year

(24:39):
in order to find your number of defensive tackle. If
you want to talk about intense, good on good competition,
there might not be a better group than the defensive
tackle spot. As guys are fighting for their roster spots.

Speaker 5 (24:51):
Well, you mentioned you're gonna have to cut a previous
draft pick. If I'm DJ Davidson and Jordan Riley, I mean,
those are two guys that I think right now feeling
the heat the times now, sure, can you not label
it because remember Darius Alexander is now coming in. He's
the new kid on the block, so he's safe. You
mentioned then a lot of established veterans and Joe Shane

(25:13):
And I'm not saying you should read into this overwhelming you,
but I think he spoke pretty highly of Robertson Harris.
Robertson Harrison ledbetter over the course of the off season
in terms of going out, bringing them in, liking what
they bring to the table. So, barring an injury or
some unforeseen development, I would expect both of those guys
to be in the mix. We know about Deckx. Let

(25:34):
me ask you this, and I've been thinking about this
over the last few days. Does not Joe have anything
to worry about?

Speaker 3 (25:40):
It's the last year of his contract. That's the only
thing that always makes you think.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
I've been thinking the same thing.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
I think he's been their backup nose for a lot
of the spring. As he lamented to me on the
Giant Subtle podcast, He's like, every time I try to
get out of that nose tackle spot, they keep putting
me back in, and I think he's played well enough
and I like what he brings to the table, so
someone will have to outplay him in order to take
that spot. And I also think he's pretty popped in

(26:07):
the locker room. Sure, he's a great person in the
locker room and a good dude overall on a good
football player. So but that's my point, like, there might
be a good football player the team has to let
go just because of the numbers game.

Speaker 5 (26:20):
Well, as you mentioned, you counted nine. But if we
eliminate some of the previous draft picks and perhaps Chapman,
I think then you're at a healthy total. And I
don't know if you necessarily have to sacrifice anybody because
the players that I spoke about, that's a tally of
five in terms of Robertson, Harris, Dex, Nacho, Darius, Alexander,

(26:43):
and Ledbetter. So there's room there to maybe even add
another guy.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
Yeah, you might be able to carry six there.

Speaker 5 (26:49):
Okay, so maybe Chapman or Davidson once again can reappear.
And then the other thing that I think you have
to take it to consideration, how do perhaps some of
the edge line backers factor into your thinking in terms
of what you're working with upfront.

Speaker 3 (27:08):
Like Chauncey Golston, for example, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (27:10):
Who to me is interchangeable and extremely versatile. So it's
not so much the guys looking at themselves as just
the interior group. It's also looking at a guy like
Golston who has proven he can go inside and outside.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
Yeah, I'm with the Alans, And then I think at corner,
I'll jump there next, just because I think we know
what the edge group is. It's really good, and we
know who the main guys are gonna be there. And
linebacker I think you know Karaka McFadden, Muissau, they're all on.
They bring in Bored and Flannagan fouls as special teams, guys,
Deontay Johnson developing. So I think you're a pretty good
feel for what those groups are going to look like.

(27:44):
Right corner though, once you get past a Deebo Banks
Phillips flat who's on the roster after that, that to
me is a dogfight where you have Corey Black who
is this your seventh round pick? But seventh rounders is
you know it never guaranteed anything. You know, Trey Hawkins
is heading into year three here can he figure things out?

(28:07):
And really establish himself as a reliable backup. Art Green
is someone that came here late last year. So those
are some of the names that you have to watch
to see what the back end of that cornerback group
can look like. Because Lance, you know what, cornerback guys
get hurt, Guys pull hamshrings, guys do things like that.
You're gonna need that guy to play at some point.

(28:28):
It better be somebody you can count on.

Speaker 5 (28:30):
The more and more I look at this group, by
the way, you also don't have a lot of experience
after the main four guys that we listed, because even
Kobe Black is somebody that has not played one NFL
snap Corey Black. Excuse me, So you look at this
group overall, I don't know if they're gonna force themselves.
I guess my point is into keeping guys for the

(28:52):
sake of keeping guys. This could be a position. Okay,
and now we're getting a little bit ahead of ourselves.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
Late veteran ad, yes, late veteran AD or waiver wire.

Speaker 6 (29:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
The problem, Yeah, the problem with the lay veteran add
is that you're not gonna be able to guarantee that
guy playing time. So which I think a veteran might
hesitate to come along waivers, though guys don't have a choice.
If you get clean, you get.

Speaker 5 (29:11):
Clean, sure, and he may look at it as well.
There is an opportunity because now I'm going to a
team that has not a great deal of depth, and
even the guys in front of me are relatively young.
So that to me is the position to watch for
new arrivals. I guess is we're really laying things out
for the makeup of this roster, because I'm not saying

(29:33):
that nobody's going to emerge during the course of camp
at preseason. But if we're just evaluating based on what
we know and what somebody brings to the table, there's
not a lot of commodities that scream out comfort to
you at the cornerback position. Now there's opportunity with that
for some of these undrafted guys. They could be saying

(29:53):
to themselves, hey, you know, if I really go out
and play hard and consistent, now I can carve out
a role, or I could give them a reason to
keep me on the practice squad. But I'm just looking
at it from the sole lens of fifty three man roster,
and I see somebody from another team that has a
lot of options that sacrifices a player. He could very

(30:14):
well be seeing himself on this Giants roster in no time.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
All right, And then the final in the weeds thing,
I want to bring up here, Lance, who's the fourth safety?
I think we feel really good about Javon Holland and
Tyler Newman and Dave Belton as safeties one, two and three.
Who's the fourth safety? You usually keep four of these guys?
Is it Anthony Johnson? Is raehleem Lane? Who's got a
little more experience? Is a McCary page. You know, these

(30:40):
are not familiar names to Giant fans, right, so you know,
can you find your fourth safety in that group that
you can rely on?

Speaker 5 (30:48):
And I would add that to another position that they
could very well look to add a veteran or grab
somebody off the waiver wire. If I'm the Giants two,
I'm experimenting little bit because of what we're looking at
on this roster where if they want to entertain moving
a corner to safety and seeing what a cornerback can do,

(31:09):
it may not hurt. And sometimes corners we see maybe
a little bit later on in their careers, like a
Charles Woodson per se, where in order to get a
few more years out of their body they move over
to the safety position. Now, nobody screams at me in
the Woodsond department in terms of experience, But I don't

(31:30):
see again in overwhelming one guy that jumps out and says, hey,
this is even my position to lose. You threw out
Raheem Lane who was with the Chargers, and then Anthony
Johnson Junior is with the Packers. Okay, so they have
NFL experience, But even those two players we're not talking

(31:50):
about bring a wealth of been there, done that type
of stuff.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
And that brings you to the roster of the Giants
made today, which might actually answer two of the things
we just talked about. The Giants did sign Kevon Wallace.
He was a Day three, I think a fifth round
pick by the Philadelphia Eagles a few years back. He
was a guy I really like coming out of Clemson.
If you remember back to our draft shows that year.
He's one of those kind of safety slot corner hybrid players.

(32:15):
He's not your bigger safety, he's the guy that can
go into the slot. And then this goes back to
by the way, one of our YouTube. Questions came in
about this from Thomas Joachim was the safety they just
signed any good? And look, Kevon Wilson Wallace is a
guy that has been in the league for a little bit.
He again is kind of one of those He's only
twenty seven years old. He was with the Seattle Seahawks

(32:37):
last year listed as a safety. But he's one of
these guys that's you know, height, weight, speed wise, is
not one of your bigger safeties. He's a smaller guy.
He checks into just five eleven tool five, which is
more of that tool five is kind of safety size.
But if you watch him in college, you played a
lot of slot corners. So maybe he will give the
Giants a little bit of depth both those spots. As

(33:01):
somebody that has played in the league and has played
a decent amount of time on the field. You know,
he has nineteen starts in his career and has played
in seventeen games. He played in seventeen games and started
twelve and twenty twenty three for the Titans and the
Arizona Cardinals, and he played started seven games for the
Eagles in his first three years there. So is you

(33:22):
a star? No? But do I think based on what
he's done, he would be my leader in the clubhouse
for the fourth safety spot. Is he also give you
some cornerflex inside? Yes? My answer to that would be yes.

Speaker 5 (33:32):
Here's also why he'd be my leader in the clubhouse.
He has experienced playing for Shane Bowen, because Bowen was
with him in Tennessee in twenty twenty three.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
And started seven games for him.

Speaker 5 (33:42):
So there's a lot to read into. To me, the
way that I'm reading into is Shane Bowen I think
feels they need help in safety, and he say to himself, Okay,
since it's this late of the offseason and training camp
is just starting, I want to bring it a player
that knows my scheme and knows my say so I
think both of those factors vode very well for him.

(34:05):
And he runs circles and laps around a lot of
the other players currently on the roster, even those that
have been in the league. So I would think, right now,
you're gonna keep four safeties. Even though Wallace once again
is just getting sized up for a Giants uniform, he
to me, moves ahead of whoever currently was here during
the course of the spring.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
No question about it. Jan in the chat. Wanted to
ask about Darius Layte. We didn't mention him in the
wide receiver conversation, and I think that's because Lance and
I feel pretty secure about what his role is going
to be. They just paid him this offseason a good
amount of money wide receiver three type of money, and
I think he's the Giants wide receiver too. I think
that's where he checks in. He's got good deep speed,
he's a veteran, he knows what he's doing. I think

(34:47):
Darius Layton will be very comfortable being a good perimeter
speed threat. Opposite of myleague neighbors.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
Hey, they keep bringing him back.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
Who's more consistent than Darius Laane Every here? He gives
you the same exis. It's boring, but it's good.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Yeah. You know.

Speaker 5 (35:03):
They always say how many lives does a cat have? Well,
I mean Darius Slayton I think has surpassed nine lives
of a cat because right every year we talk about him,
is he gonna move on or does he have to
take a pay cut? How many things has he survived
and then has comeback and hasn't just been a good
story because he's hanging around. He's been a productive player

(35:24):
within the scheme. I don't think there's really anything to
dissect or discuss. I think you know exactly what you're
getting out of Darius Layden. If you went over the
offensive side of the roster from top to bottom, he's
probably the most reliable player, right, I mean in terms
of you don't have to play a guessing game.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
You know what he's gonna bring. Yeah, holds up.

Speaker 5 (35:45):
Durability is not a question. So all of those factors
is really why. It's not that he doesn't deserve the attention.
It's just there's not much to speculate about Darius Layden.
He's made his intentions clear going back to when he
resigned with the team, and I think I think the
team has made it clear where he stands.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
All right, So we got two questions here about the quarterbacks.
Jamal Jones, I'm looking forward to see how many first
team reps Jamis and Dart receive. It can't as can't
progressive progresses. And Jace Turney wants to know, Hey, fellows,
what is more interesting competition cornerback number two or quarterback
one two? Well, I think and I'll answer this is
one question here. The quarterback competitions more interesting because I

(36:23):
think I could see a world where either one of
those guys or your starting quarterback Week one, Lance, if
Russell Wilson's healthy, do you see a world where he's
not starting for the Giants in Week one of this year?

Speaker 2 (36:33):
No, I do not see a world.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
Neither do I. I know that might frustrate some giant
fans out there. I don't see a world. I don't
see it. He's had enough consistency across his career where
even his last two years or three years, which I
know weren't to the level of his peak Seattle seasons. Lance,
I mean again, I love Jameis Winston. Jameis Winston has

(36:55):
never had years like that three to one touchdown interception ratios.
Where you protect the football. You may consist big plays
down the field, the more more importantly protect the football
and don't turn it over. So and I would be look,
am I gonna rule out Jackson Dart doing so great
that he like forces their hand to star week one.
I'm never gonna rule anything out. Anything's possible. I would
be extremely surprised if that happened. Well, if you extremely

(37:19):
I didn't mean to got JR. No, if you don't
look at no what I was gonna bring to the table.

Speaker 5 (37:22):
And for those tuning in for quite some time, I
may have brought up some of these examples in the past,
so apologies for repeating myself, but I think it's relevant.
Off the top of my head, if you look at
situations where a rookie quarterback came in and moved up
the depth chart over the course of camp. Russell Wilson
is a perfect example, Okay, because that offseason, Seattle got
Matt Flynn, Okay, who was Aaron Rodgers backup. However, Flynn

(37:46):
was banged up and beat up that training camp, which
a lot of people don't bring up in the conversation
he did. Wow, Pete Carroll in company, I'm not taking
you anything away from Russ, but Matt Flynn also, I
believe it was a wrist injury and that also helped
Runusell Wilson leapfrog. Okay, so there's one example, but once again,
the veteran got hurt.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
Never give the young guy the opportunity.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
Right because you're gonna regrete it.

Speaker 6 (38:06):
Then.

Speaker 5 (38:07):
The second example that I'll bring up is when the
Eagles drafted Carson Wentz. Okay, you had Sam Bradford on
the roster. Now, that was the year that Teddy Bridgewater
got hurt in Minnesota. So Rick Spielman, their general manager,
needed a quarterback to bring in because Teddy went down
late in camp, and they made a trade for Sam Bradford.

(38:30):
So all of a sudden, you got Bradford, you got
Chase Daniel Carson did enough to make them feel okay,
and Minnesota did not have leverage. They had to give
up some good assets. So Philadelphia said, well, we already
drafted a quarterback, might as well get a pick back
so that we can use that elsewhere. So those are
the two examples that come to mind. But once again,

(38:52):
you need an injury or you need john somebody to
lose a quarterback that right now we're not anticipating, and
maybe somebody picked up the phone and says, hey, what
do you want for Russell Wilson or Jamis And it
would have to blow the Giants away, and Jackson Dart
would have had to be so impressive in the classroom
and on the field. Notice I'm throwing out what seventeen

(39:14):
different factors that have to fall into place in order
for all of those things to align.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
I agree with you and I'd be surprised if Jamis
got that many first team reps over Russell Wilson, because
I think, you know what those two guys are. They've
had a long enough NFL career. I think they will
try to sneak Darts some first team reps just to
give him some work with the first team. Given his
you know, potential quarterback of the future. You know, that's
why you draft a guy in the first round, right, So,
I think Brian Dable talked about this. You put him

(39:40):
in even when he's not expecting it, to see how
he handles it. Throw play at him. Okay, Jackson, go
run this play and you put him out there and
you have him go. But guys, they're gonna try to
get Russell Wilson ready for the year to win some
football games. That's what they're going to do. We've got
a couple more questions from YouTube. I want to I'll
get to them in just one second, but I want
to get to the calls here at two to one
nine three, nine four five one three. Let's go to
Antonio and Schenectady, New York. Antonio, what's up, Hey, what's

(40:04):
going on?

Speaker 2 (40:04):
You guys?

Speaker 3 (40:04):
We're good man what's going on.

Speaker 6 (40:07):
I'm wanted to ask, what are you guys expectations for
uh for Chauncey Golsens are on the team, he signed
a he's coming off a career you with Dallas. He
signed he did sign a three year deal here and
he's currently the number four edge rusher and Joe Shan
has also talked about him playing on the inside as well,
like rushing from the inside.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
I would not be surprised Antonio, and I've kind of
posited this from the beginning, and I could be end
up being proven wrong. I thought his best snaps for
the Cowboys came as a pass rushing three technique. That's
where I thought he made the most plays. That's where
I thought he was the most impactful. Now he's not
big enough to play there on early downs, he's gonna dig,
just run right at him, and they're gonna truck him

(40:47):
out of there. He's two hundred and seventy pounds. But
I do think on third downs, my goodness, if you
could run out of third down pass rush package with
Dexter Lawrence and Chauncey Golston inside Burns and Thibodau on
the edge with Abdul quarter as your kind of fifth
stand up rusher, your joker rusher rolling behind the defensive line.
That to me is your ideal pass rush package. So

(41:09):
I think Golston will get just as many if not
more snaps as a hand in the dirt third down
pass rusher as he does a stand up three four
five man front outside linebacker on early downs against the run.
I thought that's where Golston personally made his most impact
as a pass rusher last year.

Speaker 5 (41:30):
Well, Ghoston played seventy two percent to the snaps with
Dallas last season, So that's gonna be a reason it's
not gonna be that high this year. Correct, That's a
big reason why he had a career year. Now, we
had somewhat of a similar conversation on a previous program.
So if you look at Shane Bowen's snap counts for
his defensive lineman pass rushers last season, and I'm bringing

(41:50):
it up just so that we can use this as
a means of comparison, I want to see who got
over sixty five percent, just as perhaps comparison. So Brian
Burns was at seventy nine. Thibodeaux did not get to
sixty five. He was at fifty four.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
That's only because he missed a bunch of short didn't
he did, correct.

Speaker 5 (42:09):
But you gotta figure somebody's gonna get hurt, somebody's gonna
miss time. So I don't think the numbers are going
to be that crazily off. Bobby Ocara Kay at linebacker
was at sixty seven and that's pretty much it. So
I would be very surprised if Golston gets to seventy two.
I think more reasonable in the sixty to sixty five

(42:31):
percent barometer. Do you think he get that high or
I think he's gonna be fifty to fifty five. All right,
with all these guys, it's gonna be hard to get
him on the field. Well, the reason I'm saying is
is that, and this is why I say Golston has
a lot to gain going back to early conversation, because
he's gonna have limited snaps, and that means he has
to make to use the baseball analogy, he has to
make his ad bats count every single So if he's

(42:53):
gonna be that third down guy that you mentioned, he's
gonna have to find ways to get to the quarterback
and maybe get a sack or two from the interior
knowing that he's not gonna get as many opportunities on
the outside. And that's just the numbers game crunch that
a guy like that is looking at. But to me,
Golston can emerge if somebody in this pass rushing group

(43:15):
like a Thibadeau, misses three or four games, that's where
all of a sudden, the green light is there for Golston,
and then I think you really get your bang for
your buck there.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
I agree, I agree, Look, Antonio, appreciate. Yeah, go ahead,
you got a second point.

Speaker 6 (43:33):
Yeah, if I could think, I could think another question.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
If that's cool, Yeah, absolutely, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
Do you guys think.

Speaker 6 (43:39):
Gave Davis is still lops on? No other He had
a visit with the Giants like two months ago. He knows,
he knows Gabel and Shane. Well, obviously, I was just
curious about that.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
I don't think he's washed. I mean, he sees he's not.
I don't even think Gave Davis is thirty years old yet,
is he? I could be wrong about that, but I'll
look up his aige. No, he's twenty six. Actually, yeah, yeah,
he's young. I mean he's a guy that he's a
bigger guy. He's a possession guy. He's not like super quick.
He's a bigger body guy. He can get downfield a

(44:09):
little bit. I'm just not sure. If you're signing Gabe Davis,
you're basically telling Jalen Hyatt that you're not gonna play.
And I don't think the Giants want to go down
that path given what Jalen Hyatt showed him in the spring.
I mean, he's gonna he's gonna want to wherever he goes,
You're gonna have to promise him some level of playing time.

(44:29):
I think to get him because he's gonna want to play,
And I don't think right now, Antonio, I mean, where
who would you take snaps away from to give to
Gabe Davis. I guess my question would be for you, I.

Speaker 6 (44:43):
Do I do. I do think Gabe is a better
like if it's strictly off making the team better, like,
I do think he's better than Jalen Hyatt, but I
don't I don't know if they I don't know if
they just flat out just like get rid of Hiat
completely from like a depth role.

Speaker 5 (44:59):
Well, in fairness, he's a completely different player from Jalen Hyatt.
I think that's what's important to note Gabe Davis. If
you go back to when he was in Buffalo with Diggs,
Davis was the intermediate route. Okay, he was the insurance policy,
insurance blanket for Josh Allen, worked the sidelines and was
a solid player, and then cash that in when he

(45:19):
went to the Jaguars, and then they wound up making
some financial moves, which is life of the NFL. So
it's not so much to me subbing Davis for Hyatt.
It's going in a completely different direction in terms of
the style and the route running. And that's the other
thing that you have to take into consideration. And I
think the Giants currently have on the roster what Gabe

(45:41):
Davis would provide. So I don't know how much you're
differentiating yourself. And we appreciate the phone call again, thanks
take it back here, shit, thanks Antonio. The way that
I would look at it is it's a good guy
to keep checking in with if he's available, somebody goes
down and training camp.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
You know, he's.

Speaker 5 (45:59):
Familiar with Joe Shay and he's familiar with Brian Dable.
You can bring him in. I just don't know if
there is an overwhelming urgency right now. His camp starts
to throw him into the mix.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
Four or five four guy at the NFL combine one,
five to six split thirty five ver pretty you know,
pretty decent, explosive jumping numbers. But look, he did have
some years where he was the Bills got a big
downfield threat. He averaged seventeen yards a catch, and twenty
twenty two had just forty eight catches but eight hundred
and thirty six yards, So he made some big plays
for them that year. But again, has he proven more

(46:34):
than Jalen Hyatt so far in the NFL? Absolutely, Jalen
Hins never had a year where he had eight hundred
yards or even seven hundred and forty six yards, which
Davis had in twenty twenty three. So to your point, yes,
but again, now let's go make him wide receiver four. Here,
he was to have to play over Darius Slayte, who
they just paid this offseason, and he's not a guy
you would put in there instead of Wondl Robinson. To

(46:56):
your point, completely different players. So I just I don't
think unless he's willing to come here on like a
minimum as you're as a depth piece, that is fine
without playing a ton I'm just not sure that's something
that makes sense.

Speaker 5 (47:10):
And remember camp is just starting, so it's not just
him versus the Giants, it's him versus opportunities across the league,
and we don't know how that's going to play out.
He may have had conversations with some other teams. I
may be mistaken. I thought he chatted with the Steelers
to this offseason as a potential destination. That could be
maybe off base, and that was just basically speculation.

Speaker 3 (47:32):
According to Google AI, I can't take that with a
grain of salt. Artificial sometimes not also accurate. Has visited
with several teams, including the Steelers, the Saints, and then
they also mentioned the Giants.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
There we all pat myself on the back and no progress.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
But look, could the Steelers use a number two wide
receiver George Pickens? Is there anymore they born DK.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
Met they had a lot more than the Giants could.

Speaker 5 (47:55):
I would argue one hundred percent and opportunity for a
guy who is twenty looking to regroup after one season
with the Jaguars, you can understand that he may be
keeping his options open.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
And frankly, Olave and Rashid Shahida had so many injury
issues that I could see the Saints being in detractive
situation too, based on how many games those guys missed last.

Speaker 5 (48:16):
Year, though, and I know beggars can't be choosers. I
think you'd rather have Aaron Rodgers throwing you the football
then whoever may be under center with the Saints. And
I think your facial expression tells it all. So if
I was Gave Davis, I don't know. I think it's
a relatively easy decision if it's between both of those teams.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
I remember gave Davis's rookie year in Buffalo as twenty twenty,
so you obviously was there were Brian Dables. So Brian
Dable has a really good feel for him and the
type of player that he was. He was with Dabel
for two years there in twenty twenty and twenty twenty one,
so the Giants know exactly what he's about and whether
or not they think he would be a fit here.
But to me, I'm with you, that's all right. Somebody
got hurt in camp. We have an opportunity breaking, case

(48:56):
of emergency type of deal, and I'm sure that's what
gave Dave. His agent is telling Gabe Davis, don't just
sign somewhere to be like the fourth or fifth wide receiver.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
What's the point.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
Find the place where there's gonna be an opportunity for
you to play, to earn that playing time, and then
you would for agency again next year. Maybe there's more
of an opportunity, more of a need somewhere, and that's
something he can cash in on. All right, let's go
to a couple other questions off of YouTube cribs and ribs.
What are the injury updates look like coming into training camp?
The Giants have not announced yet. As far as I've

(49:26):
seen Johnny maclins, I've missed something that they have not
put anyone on puppy or anything like that, so I
have not seen that yet. They did do the conditioning
test today. I'm sure we'll hear about that by the
end of the day. I was hoping we would get
something about that over the course of the show. If
you want to do a quick Twitter look there lands
make sure no one's put anything out there. But I
had not seen anything as of the start of the show.

(49:49):
So keep an eye on Andrew Thomas in the foot
that would be the number one guy. If he started
on pup that would not shock me. We'll have to
wait and see Dexter Lawrence the elbow again. He was
doing individual in the spring. I think he'll be fine. Malikue, Neighbors,
Cam Scatabo, Darius Alexander, guys that did various amounts of
work over the course of the spring. Brian Dable never

(50:11):
seemed to overly concerned with any of those guys, so
not that worried. Those are the main guy's lance. I'm
thinking this one more. But I don't really remember THEO
Johnson's coming off the injury. But he did plenty in
the spring, and.

Speaker 5 (50:25):
He also said he was looking good outlook when he
spoke to the media.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
Runyon did more and more spring went along. I don't
think there's any reason to believe that he's not going
to be good to go. Dex with the elbow I mentioned,
but I think he's gonna be fine. No, no one
else really jumps out of me lance that I would
have huge concerns with injury wise.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
Yeah, I'm with you.

Speaker 5 (50:45):
The only person that I could see, you know, them
putting on there is if they just want to take
it slow with a player, right and they need to
buy themselves maybe a roster spot here or there. But
there's no one that was a red flag at least
to me during the spring, and no one that we
heard of anything over the last few weeks that may
have had a setback, So it really would be a

(51:08):
surprising development. But if they do ultimately put one of
the players that we're talking about, to me, it's more
of maybe, hey, you know, we don't necessarily need him
on the field immediately. We need some roster flexibility and
then we'll ease him in as opposed to get worried
about his accessibility come week one.

Speaker 3 (51:24):
Yeah, I'm with you on that. I don't think that's
gonna be much of an issue either. Folks, don't forget
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monitoring that. Or get on the line. We could take

(52:27):
a couple more calls here. We got about seven minutes
to go in the program.

Speaker 5 (52:29):
At two oh one nine three nine four five one three,
I was crunching some of the numbers and I just
want to circle back. We were talking about Kivon Wallace in
the safety position. Just to put things in perspective, john
So Wallace has appeared in seventy one games over the
course of his career. I looked up just as a
means of comparison, Raheem Lane and Anthony Johnson Junior, who
are the other two at least veteran safeties. If you

(52:50):
combine both of those guys their appearances. You're talking about
thirty four games between both of them combined compared total total.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
I'm talking about games. Okay, it's even less.

Speaker 5 (53:00):
Right before I asked, Raheem Lane has started one game
in his career and Anthony Johnson four, so they only
have five starts, and then if you look at Cavon
Wallace has nineteen. So the point is there's a distinct
difference between the guy they just added to the roster
versus the other two that they've had. And in fairness,
just because you don't start, it's more snap count is

(53:22):
a better indicator than whether you're on the field for
the very first play on defense, which to me is
a little misleading. And there are special teams guys that
would argue, hey, we don't go down as a starter,
and we've played a lot more than some of those
offensive or defensive guys.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
And the quality of those snaps obviously, Maddie as well
when you take a look at it all, Right, let's
go back to the phones at two on one, nine, three, four,
five one three, our final call the show. Let's go
to already up in Providence, Already, what's happening.

Speaker 4 (53:47):
Take good afternoon, guys, Thanks for taking the call.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
Thanks for calling, and already what do you got?

Speaker 4 (53:51):
Oh you're welcome. Up high on Jalen Hyatt this year, guys,
I know you talked about him early in the show,
and he's twenty three years old, and I think it's
got to potential this year to really really be a
game breaker on the Franks.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
What gets me excited already is that I look for
reasons for things to change. Right when you have a
guy that's been here for two years already and frankly
has not earned his way onto the field and has
not made the most of his opportunities, I say, all right, well,
why are things gonna be different this year? So the
first thing is the player, and you take a look
at the player, and he gained twenty pounds this offseason

(54:25):
and his GPS numbers did not change. That was a
big worry for Jalen Hyatt Lands. I mean, we talked
ourselves to death about that when he was coming out
in the draft. The only weigh one hundred and seventy
pounds couldn't deal with press at the line of scrimmage.
Does this help him overcome some of that The second
thing to look for already is usage. Is the usage
going to be different? Well, it certainly appears that he's
gonna get more chances to operate in the slot, which

(54:46):
is where he operated a lot in college. Is that
going to help him? The third thing is situation, And
I look at Russell Wilson as the quarterback throwing the
ball now who wants to go deep and go down
the field, which is Jalen Hyatt's strength. If you put
all three of those things together already, I think there's
an opportunity for him. Now we have to see if
he can take what he did in short to the
T shirt in the spring and now also do that

(55:09):
in pads in preseason games and joint practices. Can he
continue being that effective once the intensity level gets ratchet
up a little bit.

Speaker 5 (55:18):
And then the fourth thing that it would add, which
is really an extension of the last one, Russell Wilson
unsolicited talked up Jalen Hyatt when he arrived on the
scene this aufen call them the days signs. Yeah, I
mean he didn't talk about Darius Slaydon necessarily, or Wandel
Robbinson or the tight ends. He specifically talked about Hyatt.
So you have a quarterback that is invested personally in

(55:40):
the young wide receiver. We know Russ loves to throw
the deep bawl, which goes back to what John said,
who's at the controls and you go wherever Russ has been, Seattle, Denver, Pittsburgh,
He's always leaned on somebody for the home run ball.
So I mean that to me, if I'm Jalen Hyatt,
that excites me the fact that the guy throwing me.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
The ball the targets are coming from.

Speaker 5 (56:03):
Somebody that is very excited to be alongside me.

Speaker 4 (56:07):
Thank you, Yeah, absolutely right. Can I just squeeze him
one of the questions, Yeah, sure, go ahead, Artie. Thanks,
no fant He's twenty seven. He was released by Seattle Day.
Any talk of maybe picking them up, just tying them
out at tight end? Yeah, I had one hundred thirty
catches last year, fourteen hundred yards.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
Well not well, no, yea, I have one hundred and thirty.

Speaker 3 (56:28):
I don't know about that. I think you maybe have
that large year. I you talked about targets, Yeah, I
mean that might have been his last couple of years
put together. Yeah he is, Yeah about that's a good no, No, Look,
no fan is shown to be a pretty solid wide receiver,
pretty solid tight end. Uh. He can run the scene.
He's tall, he's athletic. He kind of is in the
Greg Dulsch mode lance in my opinion in terms of

(56:49):
how he plays. So maybe, but like we talked about Lartie,
we both think tight end is one of the stronger
positions on the roster. So I'm not sure that's necessarily
where you're looking to add somebody. Is that he'll find
a better opportunity somewhere else where. They really do need
a tight end that can maybe start, and that's why
where he would end up landing.

Speaker 5 (57:07):
I think Noah fense is very similar to the Gabe
Davis conversation if you were having earlier. It's a numbers game.
I don't think there's a clear attractive pathway currently on
the Giants roster, and I was talking about I'm paying
attention to tight end right now as it stands, more
so than any other position. And even though once again
he has been at least productive and he's worked well

(57:29):
in multiple tight end sets, meaning he's been on teams
where he's not the guy he has to share playing time,
so it would actually fit well that mindset with the Giants,
but I think he's probably gonna have more attractive suitors
who are in more of a need to bring in
a tight end that can offer him opportunity in playing time.

Speaker 4 (57:48):
Thanks guys, we appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
Appreciate it. By the way, the conversation in the chat
is pretty good. A lot of fans going back and
forth having good debates about the Giants, which is really
good to see. All Right, I had two more Twitter
YouTube comments. Part of me that I want to get
to Edward scissors hands. I hope to see a lot
of two inline tight ends with Bellinger and Scatterable in
the backfield this season. Well, that would be for the

(58:12):
fans that don't know the nomenclature works, that would be
twenty two personnel because I'm assuming he's counting Bellinger not
as one of the two in line tight ends if
he's in the backfield, which means you're gonna have three
tight ends. Though, depending if you want to count Bellinger
as a tight end or a full back in that situation,
that can either be thirteen personnel, which is one running back,
three tight ends, or twenty two personnel, which is two

(58:34):
backfield guys, and then two tight ends if they're in
the backfield. I think it would technically be twenty two
personnel just because of where the alignment.

Speaker 5 (58:40):
Is, but.

Speaker 3 (58:42):
I don't know. Brian Dable has always run a ton
of three wide receiver sets. That seems to be what
he wants to do lance and that's today's NFL. We're
gonna have Warren Sharp on the Johns Little Podcast in
a week or two, and Russell Wilson's production in eleven
personnel versus twelve personnel is much much, much better, been
much better in three wide receiver sets. So I think

(59:03):
you're gonna see plenty of that. And it's funny because
remember Dable used to be a tight ends coach, like
that was his thing. So could we see some more
you know, double tight ends, that's sure, But look, I
think Dable wants explosive plays, and you get explosive plays
not by having three tight ends on the field. At
the same time. You need to get speed out there
and guys that can make people mix and make and
make explosive play.

Speaker 5 (59:22):
Yeah, it's not to say that the Giants are not
going to be able to run the football. They need
to and it moved in the right direction last season,
But the one thing that has been missing from this
offense is explosion, big game changing playmaking ability and then
the most important points. And I just don't think you're
gonna get that. If you aim to methodically move up

(59:44):
and down the field, I think you gotta go for
the home run as opposed to the singles and the doubles,
and you'd be sacrificing a lot of explosion if you're
looking to put Bellinger and Scataboo on the field and
expecting those guys to just run people over. And you
can get explosion out of Skataboo with additional wide receivers
because he can be an extension as somebody that catches

(01:00:06):
the ball on the backfield or gets open lanes up
the gut because there's so much focus on the wide
receivers to the outside. So I think you could create that.
I'm all for moving Scataboo around. I like that philosophy.
I just don't know if you have to put bigger
personnel on the field thinking that you're gonna get creative,
I don't know how much that is gonna help them
in the long run.

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
God's Will sixty four camp Scatabou nine hundred yards this
season book it, So that goes to your point. Let's
see how much he gets on the field. And that's
another interesting thing. Is not really a training camp things,
more of a game thing. How the Giants split the
running back carries, to me is gonna be fascinating. I'm
really curious to see how they work that. Jase Turney,
what's the storyline that might not be getting as much
light as it should be. I think we hit must

(01:00:46):
a lot of that with the end, the weed stuff lands.
Anything else that comes to mind for you that you
know something that people are talking about.

Speaker 5 (01:00:51):
Yeah, it's a good question. I mean, we talked about
the tight ends. We talked about the number of offensive linemen.
I'm just perusing.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
How about Shaunce golds than I threw out with about how.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
Shamee Bowen justice defensive scheme this year with different players?
How about that one.

Speaker 5 (01:01:07):
I just don't know if that's going to be answered
in camp. Okay, that's more of a season thing. John
didn't he didn't Special training camps all cheat. I'll allow
you to cheat.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (01:01:19):
We we've consulted with the jury and they've come back
they will allow it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
I was just thinking more of the small sample size.

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
Yeah, he's not going to show it up.

Speaker 5 (01:01:27):
He's not going to show you're gonna be able to
answer that, Ques, So it's going to be difficult in
terms of that. But I think we covered just about everything,
and I think some of the things that we covered,
For example, you know, who's going to be the fourth safety,
you could put that as an underlying conversation. I don't
think the world of the nation is wondering who's going
to be the giants Ford safety offensive going to be? No,

(01:01:50):
So that tells me that it's not us are worried
about that. Yeah, well, here's one thing that we actually
haven't talked about that I'll throw out.

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
And then we got to what about you know, Graham good.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
Oh bouncing back woh? And I mean I could tell
that in the preseason.

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
I'll go with that.

Speaker 5 (01:02:05):
I don't know if that's being discussed enough. You know,
we know that he's the guy, but you know, there
has been some ups and downs and injuries. Injuries mostly
I think what to see out of good Oh, whether
it's during practice, during training camp, during preseason games, depending
on his usage, I would think that fits under what

(01:02:26):
the commentator said on YouTube about a storyline that not
many people are talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
I'll put Graham Goodo on top that list.

Speaker 3 (01:02:33):
I like that. I think that's good. And I could
tell Lance that people right now are ready for training
camp to start. They're tired of calling in and asking
the same questions about what's gonnappen to camp, what's happen
a camp, what it's going to happen to camp. I
think people are holding their powder now for the guys
to get on the field tomorrow for the first time.
And something tells me at two o'clock tomorrow the phone
calls are going to be popping a little bit more.

(01:02:53):
I remember, guys for the next few weeks where at
two o'clock. That's to accommodate the practice schedule. They practice
from ten to twelve every day. Know what you're thinking, well,
then come on at twelve thirty right after practice. But
they have media availabilities from my twelve fifteen to one
to fifteen, so we want to see practice here from
the players. Then we'll come on with you and talk
about them at two o'clock and also give us a

(01:03:14):
chance to squeeze in like a fifteen minute lunch.

Speaker 5 (01:03:15):
That's the most important. Well, I can't believe you waited
until the end to say that. Well, I should have
been the lead rationale to why this show is it too?

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
I tried to do the show at one thirty, but
Johnny Mack and Pearson basically said, we're just not gonna
do it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
Well, and I support their cause.

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
Yeah, listen, well, and you know Theatino has to have
his two baked potatoes and like four chocolate chip cookies
otherwise Latino's gonna come on the show, sat his cookies
on the show, which is what he ten ten. He
has done that, Pier since here, I was telling how
we wanted to do the show one thirty, but you
would Johnny Mack refuse because you need the lunch after
media ails was over correct. So we'll be at two
o'clock for the rest of camp. Make sure you tune

(01:03:51):
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So after that we'll figure it out. We'll try to

(01:04:13):
keep it at two o'clock. Otherwise we'll really is it
either gonna be two o'clock or go back to twelve
thirty and that'll be our time to rest of the way,
So one of those two. Just stay tuned. When we
get the practice schedule, which will probably be like the
day after the Bills game, we'll share it with you
ill let you know what that show's gonna be.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
Able to see. That's the most overlooked storyline coming in.

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
The practice schedule after the Bills game.

Speaker 5 (01:04:32):
What time BBKL will be in the second half of
training camp.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
There you go, and that is always and that is
always a mystery. By the way, every year practice moves
around the lot, so make sure you'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
Taking over unders by the way, moving forward on that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
Yeah, yes, by the way, aren't you guys surprised Thatatino
didn't just show up today to see the players in
the building for the first time. He was not here.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
I'm surprised he wasn't at the door greeting.

Speaker 3 (01:04:54):
Well, maybe he was maybe maybe he was here like
six to nine this morning and we just didn't see him.

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
Yeah, you have the TV.

Speaker 5 (01:05:01):
He was in the bushes, observing people coming and going
and taking notes.

Speaker 3 (01:05:05):
He was in the high grass of the Swappy medalle
aands of the pedoculars.

Speaker 5 (01:05:09):
Correct, with his little head peeking out. Who's he potential
to be the fifth seat the other roster this year? Yeah,
based on his stride. The stride was very strong coming
into this.

Speaker 3 (01:05:20):
Keep me trackable players have new cars.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
Correct, Yeah, yeah, you know, but I don't know if
that thing is like part of the equation.

Speaker 5 (01:05:25):
I think it's more you know, how they walk, the
amount of energy they trusty enthusiasm.

Speaker 3 (01:05:31):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
You know, he's that type of guy in terms of
his analysis.

Speaker 3 (01:05:34):
That's a fair point for Lan's Meadow. I'm johnsh Milk.
That's Big Book Kickoff Live and we'll see you tomorrow
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