Big Blue Kickoff Live 7/31 | Practice Review and Giants History

Paul Dottino and Lance Medow discuss everything they saw from practice, discuss some Giants history, and take calls from fans.

:00 - Practice review

31:00 - Calls

35:20 - Giants history chat

49:25 - Russell Wilson

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(01:15):
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health keep getting Better. So a lot to recap from
training camp today. We had a few media sessions as well.
Brian Dabeles spoke before practice, we heard from a few
players after practice wasn't perhaps as intense as the last

(01:38):
few days because we didn't have a full padded practice
only correct Still, though, I would say some highlights worthy
of talking about it, and let's start from that standpoint,
because I thought some of the receivers stood out, specifically
Malik Neighbors, who was back on the field after nursing
the shoulder injury. Brian Dabeles said he was going to
take part and Dable was spot.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Noyd did he ever?

Speaker 4 (01:59):
Yeah, one. Neighbors was very much involved in the thicket things.
Had a really nice catch down the right sideline from
Russell Wilson and then had another catch further down the
field on the sidelined and was heavily involved and engaged
in practice for a guy that you know, there was
a little bit at least concern when it happened, though
upon further testing they weren't as overly worried.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
There's over there's over concern every time somebody comes out
for a couple of plays or misses the second half
of practice, because the social media universe immediately explodes like
a volcano and old tragedy. You know the guy's going
to be out for weeks or months or whatever it is.

(02:42):
Everybody jumps to conclusions all the time, and really you
just have to wait until it plays out. If there's
one thing you and I know from doing this for
a long time, let it play out. Yes, if the
guy left practice, obviously something something was amiss, but that
doesn't automatically mean it was or it was long term,
or it was something serious. Sometimes something could be amiss

(03:06):
and it just means he's going to be back out
there tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (03:08):
And that exactly was the case with respect Todaybers. Also,
this was the first time at quite some time that
you had him, Londel Robinson, and Jalen Hyatt all on
the field simultaney.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
I had caught some passes today too.

Speaker 4 (03:20):
Yeah, So I think that was a positive, just to
get the regulars back in the mix after each one
of them had been nursing something or dealing with injury
of some sort. So the top quarterbacks were able to
work with the main weaponry, which had not been part
of the trend over the previous few days.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Another interesting receiver to mention today was Montrel Washington, who
over the last couple of days has started to put
some blips on the radar. I mean, I'm not going
to pull any punches on this during the off season.
I really didn't. And now the last couple of days

(04:03):
either in one on ones or catching punt returns and
kick returns during the special team's drills, and now today
he made two nice catches from Jackson dart yep, And
all of a sudden, that wide receiver room, which we
have discussed is going to be very crowded and make
for a very difficult cutdown day, suddenly has another guy

(04:25):
who's raising his hand and saying, don't forget about me.

Speaker 4 (04:29):
Well, aside from the Russell Wilson throw that I referenced
to neighbors. I thought the best throw of the day,
or maybe top two, however you want to label it
was Jackson darts throw over the middle of the field
to Montre Washington and Dart he threaded the needle pole
on that throw.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
Oh, it was a gorgeous.

Speaker 4 (04:49):
Pass traffic up the field dead center.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
I had Stephen Baker, a former Giant Super Bowl champion
wide receiver with me at practice today and he had
not gotten to see Dark in person until this morning,
and so after every play that Dart ran, he was
commenting to me from a receiver's perspective, what he would
see or what he'd like to see or maybe not

(05:13):
see from Dart. That particular play, he was like, oh, man, Paul,
did you see that? And he's hitting me on the shoulder.

Speaker 4 (05:20):
You know, I'm surprised you weren't doing that to him.
I would expect the reverse.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
I probably would have knocked them over with.

Speaker 4 (05:26):
Your enthusiasm and excitement. But in all serious this, it
was crystal clear that those two guys were on the
same page. And I think it was also a sign
of dart is willing to take some chances during practice,
not that we haven't seen that in previous days, but
you know, you want to see that in a setting
where the ramifications are not the same as a regular

(05:47):
season game, that he's at least willing to step into
it make that level of a throw to test the words.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
Well, you know, one of the things that I believe
Brian Dabele has done a really good job with, and
he described this during the media session today, where they're
occasionally letting both the offense and the defense call their
own plays. He said they actually did that at one
point yesterday. Unfortunately it was down inside the five yard line.

(06:15):
Jackson Dart couldn't get the play called that he wanted.
And if you watch that particular play yesterday, the point
I'm bringing up is that he's putting stuff on their shoulders.
And yesterday when he tried to make that play, there
was some kind of either communication problem or guys just
weren't understanding one way or the other. He was trying

(06:39):
to get a play done and he was directing traffic
and guys going left to right and trying to get
them to do it, and they got called for delay
a game. But dabel said that's good because it's a
learning experience.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
The way Dable described it was as if Dart was
trying to implement the play on the spot. Yeah, literally
created from scratch. And what happens is you think you
have enough time to do that, but you got to
line up ABC and so forth, and that's time consuming
and it'll come back to bite you. But once again,
just another example of the growing pains. Then young quarterbacks

(07:13):
go through and even the Russell Wilsons and the Jameis
Winston's can relate as well. And speaking of being on
the topic of willing to make those throughs, not that
we're learning anything new because this has been part of
his DNA throughout his career, but you could tell just
through the normal flow of practice, Paul Jameis Winston, he
does not hesitate in terms of where he's willing with

(07:36):
the football, whether it's throwing across the field, whether it's
throwing deep down the field. I mean he is going
to roll that dice and give his receivers an opportunity
to make a play and have the confidence that they'll
try to do something on the back end of that.
There are a lot of quarterbacks that would not be
willing to take nearly as many chances as Jameis Winston.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
Have you seen his touchdo down to interception ratio?

Speaker 4 (08:01):
No, And that's what I'm saying. It's nothing new. I'm
not making this observation say we're learning something that we
haven't seen before. But when you see it, I guess
on a daily basis, in practice as opposed to every Sunday.
It's just it's a little bit different, as if he's
not just pulling this out of his bag of tricks
every weekend. No, he's practicing that on a consistent basis.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
That's a point. I had a conversation about him with
Phil Simms yesterday and I had asked Phil, how often
did you see Jameis Winston during your announcing career, Because
you know, we didn't see him a ton. He played
for Tampa, you know, played for New Orleans. We didn't
see him a ton. But we know of his reputation

(08:42):
and I know what I've seen every day here since
he's gotten here. And to say that he's up and down, inconsistent,
erratic as a thrower, well they're all accurate descriptions. That's
just the way it is. Lance That's the way he's
been for ten plus in this league. We've talked about
this at infinitum. So I said to Phil, Phil, based

(09:06):
on what you've seen from him, do you think that
the inconsistencies come more from his decision making or is
it more from a physical perspective that he gets his
mechanics screwed up and somehow just misses the throw. Because
this is something now that's been going on for over
ten years in the league. And he said to me, well,

(09:28):
I think it's both. I think there are times he
makes a bad decision, but the other thing. And here's
where I want to explain this to you, folks, because
Phil explained it to us at the table. He said,
sometimes what'll happen is you want to make a throw,
and he said, you gripping the ball correctly, and it
comes off of your hand in a little bit of

(09:50):
a funny style, and instead of getting that flick and
that spin and everything you want to get on the ball,
it kind of slides off of your palm a little
bit and that can lead to an aeron pass. And
he said, I think I think he actually has some
trouble with that. Well, you know, fort be it from

(10:11):
me to be a wise guy, but if that is
a mechanical thing that, you know, the ball comes off
of his palms sometimes too much. It would seem to
me that some years ago, some quarterbacks coach should have
been able to try to find a way to get
him to avoid that. I would like to think that
that would have been fixable.

Speaker 4 (10:31):
Especially given how many years he's been in the league too,
if that is the case.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
But somehow, Someway, apparently it's not. You know so, and
he's been with Cleveland and New Orleans, Tampa, he's been
around Jeames. Yeah, and you know, and here's Phil at
the lunch room table telling me this, and I'm saying
to myself, well, didn't anybody try to fix him whatever?

Speaker 4 (10:54):
Well, once again, I wasn't speaking necessarily from a technical
standpoint like Phil Simms was. I'm speaking just more from
observations and then what you see during the regular season.
It's just I guess the old cliched phrases practice how
you play jameis there is.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
That oh he does factor he does.

Speaker 4 (11:12):
Practice is so I found that to be rather interesting
when you see it consistently from play to play. I
want to go back to what you were talking about
with a guy like Montrell Washington because somebody else that
they've been utilizing at times to run routes and we
know him mainly as a special team or is Smith
Barsett too, Mm hmm. And I don't think that should

(11:33):
be dismissed because not to say that he's on the bubble.
We know what he can do as a return man.
But if you want to give them even more of
a reason today put you on the field in a
receiver position or prove your value, you've got to be
able to run crisp routes in practice and make the
catch and the play when your number is called. And
he has flashed a little bit in his limited oppose.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
Oh, there's no doubt. I see him being used more
and more as a receiver during this off season, it
seems like, and he has come through every time they've
asked him to. I've never had any doubt in my
mind that he was going to be on the fifty three.
He had a terrific kickoff return year last year for
this team. He was a free agent at the end

(12:16):
of the season. I talked to his parents last week,
who had attended a practice. He really liked it here.
He's a Jersey guy.

Speaker 4 (12:24):
Originally see gou you or you sought out then.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Well, they were wearing his shirts.

Speaker 4 (12:28):
So you put two and two together.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Well, because there are not a lot of Smith Marsett
noseys in the crowd, to be frank, so no disrespect
to him, but you don't see many.

Speaker 4 (12:37):
It's noticeable. It is clearly they're in a crowd. So
you then walked over to them. Yes, as a result
of spotting. Yes, he's rare Jersey.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
And I just wanted to be polite and tell them
that he's been a real nice addition to the team
and enjoyed watching him play. Last year he was a
free agent. It was a one year deal, and you know,
I'll be honest, I was a little concerned that he
might and somewhere else because he was that good on
kickoff returns. And he wound up resigning with the Giants,

(13:06):
and I was very glad about that because now I
see they are trying to give him more opportunities in
the offense, and he's looked good doing it. There's no
doubt on my mind he's on the team. He's on
the fifty three.

Speaker 4 (13:20):
I'm with you.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
The shame of it is Bryce Ford Wheaton wound up
ripping his achilles. He also would have been on the
fifty three because he was the best kick coverage guy
the Giants had on the roster. And now he's going
for the season.

Speaker 4 (13:33):
Well that's why to keep this conversation centered. Now, you
want to see can one of the other younger guys
prove that they can contribute on special teams to maybe
stand out a little bit more like Bo Collins, who,
for example, we heard from a little bit earlier today
and he has had some opportunities. You know, I'm just

(13:54):
I'm looking at the depth chart right now. You know,
a guy like Montre Washington, who is, by the way,
a veteran player. Okay, he was with me, Yeah, he
was with Kansas City. He was on the practice squad
for the Chiefs. The first year with the Broncos twenty
twenty two, he played fifteen games mainly as a special
team or so he actually has tangible NFL regular season

(14:14):
experience and on special teams. So he continues to make
plays during practice. We'll see what happens in the preseason.
You know, that maybe helps elevate his chances, depending on,
of course, if they go to six or seven wide.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
Receivers, sevens are no good.

Speaker 4 (14:32):
Well, I mean there's been years we've been here that
they have kept seven.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
I can't see it happening because they've got a potential
of four backs to keep if they go to Turbo
Miller and they've got a potential of four tight ends
to keep because that competition is also really good.

Speaker 4 (14:47):
And if injury, i'd come up.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
Yeah, So I think it'd be next impossible for me
to keep seven receivers.

Speaker 4 (14:54):
So I guess if you look at it from the
standpoint of neighbors sladon Robinson High at Smith Marsett, are
you pretty much pens Oh? Yeah, that in okay.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
I guess those are my five for sure.

Speaker 4 (15:05):
So in your mind, then one other spot is up for.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
Granted possibly Okay, I'm not even sure they'll keep six,
but if they do, and I think six is possible,
that's the one that's opened right now. There's no doubt
for me. Bo Collins would be the guy if I
was strictly looking at receiving production.

Speaker 4 (15:26):
But it's hard to only look through that lens given
the dynamics of his roster, especially since that guy it's
not even a question you're going to either be inactive
you're gonna be a healthy scratch or if you're active,
you're going to have to play special teams. Correct, no ends,
there's no ifs, there's no butts. So I get where

(15:46):
you're coming from. I just I guess what I would
respond to you, Paul is. I don't know if the
Giants are in a position of luxury where they can
afford to keep just a wide receiver who happens to
be appealing for what he does as a route under.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
I don't think they can either, which is why folks
might as well tell you this now. Because Bo Collins
talked to the media today, he's going to get a
lot of publicity in tomorrow's newspapers, that's for sure. In
my mind, he is the best of the undrafted rookie
free agents in this class that the Giants have brought in.

(16:22):
I do think he's the top guy and has the
best chance of qualifying for the fifty three. But to
do that, I'm with you, Lance, I think he's going
to have to show something on specials and we won't
really see that, I don't believe until we see the
preseason games. And folks, if you want to look for

(16:44):
a key, I'm gonna let the big cat out of
the bag here. Of course I'm joking, but if you
see him on special teams during the preseason games, that
basically tells you that they like him as a receiver
and they want to see if he can provide that
added value which would enhance his chances of sticking.

Speaker 4 (17:06):
Yeah, they want him to test the waters. Here's another
name that we should throw out because he also was
a little by.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
The way, That's what they did originally with Bryce Ford
Wheaton when they brought him in as an undrafted rookie
free agent. He was brought in as potentially a depth
chart receiver, and then they said, we really like you,
but you can't just play receiver. You got to play
specials two And they started putting him on specials. He

(17:32):
was doing really well, and then he popped his ACL
That was a couple of years ago. Same potential roadmap
for Bo Collins.

Speaker 4 (17:42):
And another common element here is the fact that bow
has length. He's six to three, so he has from
a physical standpoint, Paul the features you can utilize.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
And Dable said, he's really tough and physical and he
loves to get his nose in there and block for
running plays now.

Speaker 4 (18:01):
On a related note, the other player that I wanted
to throw into this conversation while we're talking about who's
battling for the sixth spot, would they go to seven?
Little Jordan Humphrey. There's another guy who's a wide receiver
position and there was all with so there's some history there.
There's been some speculation about maybe him transitioning to tight end,

(18:21):
but I don't really see that happening at least based
on what has gone on during the course of camp.
And another player like a Montreal Washington, who yes, is
new to the Giants, but has NFL experience, so he
is worthy of throwing his name into the hat as well.
And little Jordan Humphrey also a player with length and

(18:43):
the ability to stand out because of his physical frame.
So they've got different types of players that they're going
to be evaluating over the course of the preseason. But
as we've been discussing, Paul, it's going to come down
to who can you throw out on the coverage team
and who can make a good read down the field
or you know, there's somebody else that could be involved
in the return game. As an insurance policy for Smith Marsett, you.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
Know, look at Dylan Cambery, who also is in this
wide receiver room and made his entire college career out
of playing on the coverage units on special teams. His
offensive stats, his kick return stats are basically nil. His
entire college career was based on kick coverage. Well, guess

(19:29):
what here during the offseason, he's catching passes and he's
showing terrific hands and it looks like he can play.
So how does he factor it to this equation? Folks?
This is why I love I'm going to say it again,
I love the preseason because I'm watching every snap all

(19:49):
the way down to the very last second on the scoreboard,
because all of these snaps matter, especially to these guys
who are fighting for the potential final few spots on
the fifty three.

Speaker 4 (20:02):
And some of these young guys will ultimately be brought
back on the practice squad. Sure they're not going to
necessarily do anything I think that would force the Giants
to lose them as they go through the waiver wires.
So you know, that's also encouraging. You may not have
an opportunity to make the fifty three man roster, but
you still know the system you can work on the
practice squad still be involved in practice and help grow

(20:24):
through that lens. So that's an option at least moving
forward for some of them. On the topic of young players,
the other individual that I wanted to talk about who
he heard from was Drew Phillips. Spoke with reporters and.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
Have it a great camp.

Speaker 4 (20:39):
But I really liked his transparency what he was discussing
with the media today. But I don't know if that
jumped out to you, But I'm not saying that we
haven't heard from other players who maybe after their first
year in the NFL can step back reflect But he
really was upfront and saying, boy, the game was very
fast and it was hard for me to catch on.
He said, he really didn't get to the point where

(21:01):
he was somewhat comfortable until the very last.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
Game or two, and he was hurt. If you remember, Yeah,
he had injured his arm and his shoulder, missed a
game or two and then came back fought his way
back into the lineup because he couldn't stand to miss
a game. He's a gamer man, Drew Phillips is a
dog dawg. And the development, the confidence, the assertiveness, the

(21:29):
way the game has slowed down for him, I expect
him to have a sensational season.

Speaker 4 (21:35):
Not to mention playing one of the most difficult positions
on the football field from a defensive player standpoint, in
the slot battling Wandel Robinson during practice on a consistent basis.
He even joked, Robinson made a catch today when they
were going at it and towards the tail end of
his presence.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
It was a slat.

Speaker 4 (21:53):
By the way, this slant, it was a short pass.
It wasn't anything that was like, oh my goodness, what happened?
So clearly with them in you know, you're not as
physical as you would be with full pads. So he
was asked about that play and said, yeah, I was
the one defending Wondell Robinson, but if we had pans On,
probably would have made the tackle and it would have
been necessarily a clean getaway. Because wide receivers, just for

(22:16):
audience understand, they run out the play whether or not
they would have been tackled. It's just to get in
the right headspace of get the ball, weaven and out
of traffic, take it to the distance. So that's not
anything new. But defensive players are limited in terms of
what they could do to slow down the player. But
I thought that was a light moment and a fun moment.

(22:36):
But he definitely understood what a grind it was as
a rookie to just simply understand and feel comfortable with
respect to the speed of the game. He feels as
if he's that much more in sync. He also was
reflecting on the fact that he thought he was a

(22:57):
reason why sometimes there were communication issues on.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
He did say that he was spinning and.

Speaker 4 (23:03):
I'm putting those words in his mouth. At times where
you're not able to know exactly what's going on, you're
reacting a lot of the fly. Whereas now he says
he understands, okay, when the tight end is in or
is playing on this side of the offense and it's
a third and four, what somebody in his shoes out
of the nickel spot would have to do. Whereas last season, Paul,

(23:27):
it was more of okay, it's third and four, the
tight end is in, all right, Well see what happens.
So it's a very different type of flavor and feel,
I would say for Drew Phillips going into this season.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
To illustrate your point, he said there were times last
year he played like his hair was on fire and
he just ran to the ball. Now he's not guessing anymore.
The other thing he said is that he had off
season Lasik surgery, which allows him to see and track
the ball a whole lot better than when he was
wearing contacts, which he said actually irritated his eyes. Folks,

(24:04):
if what we saw last year out of Drew Phillips,
which was really good as a rookie, is only scratching
the surface of how good he can be, boy, that's
going to be a tremendous, tremendous asset for this Giants team.

Speaker 4 (24:16):
Well, the eyes now being settled, and on top of that,
just his comfort in Shane Bowen's defense and his familiarity
in playing out of that nickel cornerback position. I have
talked to players who have played in that position and
even other defensive players, Paul, and the reason why it

(24:37):
is so challenging to man that position is number one,
the speed out of that spot, yeah, is unlike anything else.
But you're also having to deal with so much traffic
coming in and out of your view where I'm not
saying that doesn't happen, but just think about this. If
you're a boundary corner you've got the baseline, okay, the field,

(25:00):
the sideline right to use to your leverage. If you're
in the nickel, if you're in the slot, you've got
the boundary corner to the right or left of you,
depending on what side of the field you're on. Then
you got linebackers who are worrying about the activity. You
got the defensive linemen, and the guys in the trenches.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
That about the official the officials.

Speaker 4 (25:22):
I mean, let's think what four or five factors right now? Yeah,
before even you get into the comfort of the play.
So now you're telling him, Okay, he understands the assignment better,
He understands the scheme, and his eyes are not playing
games with him. I'm not saying that we're going to
see a Pro Bowl esque performance this season or all Pro,
but it's not crazy to think he could do a

(25:45):
lot more and they can move him around given what
he had to go through in year number one.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
He has been extremely sticky this entire offseason, whether it
was the regular mini camp, the OTAs now training camp.
He is always always around the ball and if a
guy makes a catch on him, there's very little separation
and he's there to make the play, but more often

(26:12):
than not he's denying the completion. He has been terrific.
Yesterday on the program, I gave my three quote you know,
highlight players of the first week of training camp, and
I mentioned in order Brian Burns, Abdul Carter, and Drew Phillips.

(26:34):
Phillips has been doing it though the entire offseason, not
just the first week of camp. Ditto for Abduall Carter
and Brian Burns. Well, I don't even need to tell
you about Brian Burns. He's a pros pro. He is
a joy to watch every.

Speaker 4 (26:48):
Day, very active. And on a related note, with respect
to the defensive lineman, came on Timbodau made a nice
play today where Russell Wilson was trying to throw into
the flat.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
To the right side and he knocked it right down.

Speaker 4 (27:01):
And Dable was right there and commended Timodau on the spot.
So that was great anticipation, great play and one of
the things you like to see because the one thing
that could separate defensive players, specifically the guys up front
that unit from the rest of the league is Paul
It's not just about stopping the run, it's not about
getting after the quarterback. It's batted balls at the line

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of scrimmage.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
You know.

Speaker 4 (27:24):
The Buffalo Bills were so good at that that there
are years where they wouldn't worry about if they didn't
finish the play at the quarterback because you'd still get
a defensive batted ball or whatever it may be. And
it's not just about stopping the play. You can play
a takeaway and a turnover under those circumstancs.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
Go all the way back to the days of Dallas
Cowboys lineman Too Tall Jones, who was a master at
knocking the ball back into the quarterback's face.

Speaker 4 (27:52):
Yeah, it's a huge game changer if guys get in
the habit of doing that during practice, and then that
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let's open up the phone lines as we move forward
here on BBKL. Let's check in with Jason in Orlando.
As he joins us, what's happened to Jason?

Speaker 6 (28:56):
Hey, hey, hear me a little bit.

Speaker 4 (28:59):
You sound as if you're in a bit of a closet.
But wow, the phone call plays out, Yeah, better, a
little bit better?

Speaker 3 (29:05):
Yeah, yeah, No, I just want to call.

Speaker 6 (29:08):
I've seen Paul today in training camp, and I just
want to let all the Giants, no Giants fans, no,
would you get it?

Speaker 4 (29:17):
That looks like we lost him?

Speaker 2 (29:19):
Wow, he was that excited to me?

Speaker 4 (29:21):
Paul the Tino that he just basically said that, and
then he dropped the mic.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
I left him speechlessly.

Speaker 4 (29:27):
Apparently I was gonna say, Jason, so you're one of
the unlucky people that actually came to practice today that
falked you. Congratulations. I tipped my cap.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
I'm just impressed he came all the way from Orlando
to do that.

Speaker 4 (29:41):
Yeah, and of all the things that he could have
mentioned of his highlights, he mentioned having an opportunity to
cross paths with you.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
That's pretty that's pretty wild. I am very humbled.

Speaker 4 (29:52):
So, given he's from Orlando, here is an individual that
may have crossed paths with Mickey Mouse and Donald Duff
all those other great characters, but nothing will ever compare
to him seeing you in person.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
Well, let's face it, I am the ultimate character.

Speaker 4 (30:09):
Yes, without it, that's why you fall right in line
with all the Disney characters. And considering they're moving more
into the animation realm now real life animation, that you
could perhaps carve.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
Out a role. Did I ever tell you that my
secret number one item on my want list? I've actually
revealed this a few times in the past, but I
haven't done it anytime recently. I would actually like to
be the voice of a cartoon character.

Speaker 4 (30:36):
Wow. No, you have never voiced that to me, either
publicly or privately. Yeah, this is something I'm learning to do.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
About just once. I don't care if I'm a guest
star on The Simpsons or something else. Want to be
the voice of I would like to be. I would
like to be a voice of a cartoon character, either
in one episode of a TV show or a movie.
I would just like one shot, one shot to be
the voice of a cartoon character. Again, it could be

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a cameo five seconds on The Simpsons even, or Family
Guy or whatever else they have out there now. I
mean my day it was the Jetsons and the Flintstones.

Speaker 4 (31:12):
Don't date yourself on the program?

Speaker 2 (31:13):
Yeah, I know. Well, and Scooby Doo.

Speaker 4 (31:17):
Well that's where I was going to go, but you
took the words right out of my mouth and a
little debut demonstration of what he could provide. But the Simpsons,
they've had football storylines before. Maybe they could work the
Giants into an episode, and then they could have you
roaming down the sideline, which truly happened during the course
of a game.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
Oh, it does happen during the game.

Speaker 4 (31:36):
But I'm not speaking out of lying it. There's actually
visual evidence there is captured Okay.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Brian Woldinger has it.

Speaker 4 (31:42):
Oh, if you do your homework and research and seek,
you will find wishes do come true and they could
have you voice you in action during the course of
a giant storyline or something that they develop.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
So any cartoonists, any cartoonist who's out there, please please
reach out to the giants. Get a hold of me.
One shot to be the voice of a cartoon character.
That's all I want.

Speaker 4 (32:05):
Well, we fortunately we bought enough time to get Jason
back on the phone line so he can now complete
his thought because we were going to now finish the
show without having closure in this department. So we welcome
Jason back from Orlando. All right, Jason, you got a
second opportunity to finish. What the experience was like.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
Meeting Pault How are you my man?

Speaker 6 (32:26):
Oh, Paul Man. It was a treasure of meeting you.
I had my daughter on my head and you shook
my hand.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
Oh yes, yes, and.

Speaker 6 (32:35):
You said there was going to be on that too today.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
I warned her about not being too heavy to be
on your shoulders. Yes, yes, I remember that.

Speaker 5 (32:44):
So I had to call.

Speaker 6 (32:45):
This was my first time calling a long time listening though.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
Did she have a good time though? Did she have
a good time?

Speaker 6 (32:51):
Oh my god, all the giants fen need to go
at least once to train the camp. Great experience for
the family.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
Cool my girl.

Speaker 6 (32:57):
I had three girls and they had a great time.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
That is awesome. I'm so glad. You're very welcome and
it was wonderful to meet your family. Your daughter was
adorable and she looked very very happy.

Speaker 6 (33:09):
Oh man, thank you so much. Any I keep up
the great work. I list to see how every day
I don't get to catch it live one a time.
But since I'm on vacationing in New Jersey right now,
I said, let me call in and tell Paul. Thanks.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
You're very welcome. All right, great, thank you for stopping.

Speaker 4 (33:22):
Yes, thanks so much, Jason, you got to appreciate have
a great show. Absolutely, thanks for tuning in, and thanks
for coming down to training camp and enjoying the experience.
Any fans also reflecting if I expressing similar.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Sense, If I may add for those of you who
have young children and maybe for whatever reason you don't
bring them to a game, you know your tickets are
being used by other family members or older family members.
This is one chance where you can get pretty close.
Between the bleachers and the people who stand up by
the fence, you can get pretty dawn close to the action,

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and certainly by the play of players on the sideline,
you can get really close to them. And for a
lot of small children, wow, that is that is like
a really really big deal to be able to see
the size of these football players, to get to see
the guys who they see on TV, who are like
movie stars to them, and now they're only a few

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feet away. You can't experience that during an NFL game.
You know, in the stadium you got no chance. You'll
never get that close. But when you come out to
training camp, you know they've got the autograph sessions for
the current players for all only the first three hundred
and fifty wristbands for twelve and under. I believe it is.
I think it's twelve and under. I'm sorry if I'm misquoting,

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but I think it's twelve and under, and then all
the alums. They'll sign for anybody during the course of
the hour and a half that they're available outside. They'll
sign for young and old alike. This is a great chance,
great chance. I can't emphasize it enough. If you've got
young children, it's a very exciting day for them.

Speaker 4 (35:00):
Well, and especially when they're practicing on the field that
is closest to the place.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
Oh for sure. That that's even better.

Speaker 4 (35:05):
Changes things in terms of how close you are up
to the action. Right, let's head back to the phone lines.
We got Gary in New Jersey with us here on
Big Blue Kickoff Live. What's happening Gary? What you got
for us?

Speaker 6 (35:15):
Hi?

Speaker 3 (35:15):
Guys?

Speaker 2 (35:16):
How are you right?

Speaker 4 (35:17):
What's on your mind?

Speaker 3 (35:19):
Well, there's a couple of things quickly. I'm an old
Giants fan and an old Giant ticket holder. I first
get my first game of nineteen fifty seven, so yeah,
and the Giants always asked me, what's the greatest game
you ever seen? Well, the greatest game you ever seen
is your first game, because that's where you make your
most impression. God, even though I was a young kids,

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but I wanted to refer to two games, and Lance,
I don't love you familiar with them, Paul should be.
I start with what they considered the greatest game, the
nineteen fifty eight championship game between the Giants and the Colts, you.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
Were there and no, no, woa okay.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
I was a young man, too young to go to
the game. I went to the Yankees in fifty seven,
but not I didn't go to that. I watched it
on TV. And two things that they never talked about
in that game. One was, and Paul, you may remember
I a little about you Lance, But when the game
went into overtime and the culture driving down to win

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the game, the power went off. Yeah, there was no
power on the television because what happened is the plug
got pulled off. The whole day there wasn't electronics. It
was the point that went fro an outlet and it
got knocked out and the game went off the air.
It was almost like Heidi in nineteen fifty eight. And
then all of a sudden they came back on just
in time to see Alan Lmechi run in the end zone.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
Yes, And the.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
Other thing I thought was interesting in that game was
that when it went into overtime and they kicked and
they flipped the coins to see what we're going to
get it, and the Giants got it and they kicked
off and who caught the ball and they kickoff, fumbled
and got it back with Don Maynard.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
Correct. As a rookie, he was a Giants kickoff for
charity of them after that, Yeah, he was kick off
fraturner for them as a rookie. Then wound up going
to the Jets when they entered the NA the AFL
as the Titans.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
Right. And the other game, the other game I referred
to the sixty three championship against the Bear that was
played in Wrigley Field, and it was like both, and
it was like playing on concrete.

Speaker 6 (37:19):
And y A.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
Tiller got hurt in the second quarter.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
They got him in the knee.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
Ligaments.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
Yeah, they wrecked his knee and he still played.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
The whole game and he came back in the game.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
Shoppner dropped a touchdown passing the back of the end zone.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
Yeah, yeah, Dell Shopper.

Speaker 5 (37:36):
I know.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
The thing was that, Sam Hope said, I don't think
the whole game, the Bear offense never got past the
fifty yard one.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
You could have brought up some winning games instead of
losing ones. Okay, these were painful championship losses. Impressive Okay,
its well.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
Five picks in that game till.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
Five picks felt bad for Tittle. That was that was rough.

Speaker 5 (37:58):
I can.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
And one more thing is that I'm asking about the
free kick rule. I know that a free kick roll.
Maybe you guys can explain a little better. What happens
when you call a free kick? Can you call it
any time?

Speaker 6 (38:13):
I mean, when you call.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
A fair catch or call a free kick, and when
you kick it. If you don't kick it for whatever reason,
what is the play automatically dead? Or can you assume
the play without kicking it?

Speaker 2 (38:26):
Well, if you don't kick it, but you lost me.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
Let's say, let's say a bad snap and I assume
you're going to kick a field goal because that's why
you take a free kick, right, and it's a bad snap.
Can you run the play normally?

Speaker 2 (38:42):
No, I think if you botch the play, I think
it's an aborted play.

Speaker 4 (38:46):
Isn't atlants I want to say, I believe it is,
but let me look that up just to confirm, because
I don't want to speak out of line.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Here's what I can tell you. At any time during
the course of a game, you call for a fair catch.
You can then execute a free kick at any point
during the game, and it doesn't matter where you are
on the field. You can tell people Okay, we'll go
to fair catch and then you do the free kick. Now,
if the free kick is aborted because of a botched

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play or it's a botch play, I believe the play
is aboarded. We'll check on that for you. That's a
very unusual question.

Speaker 4 (39:23):
I appreciate the pocal Gary.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
Yeah, wow, very unusual question.

Speaker 4 (39:27):
Yeah, we went from historical championship games.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
To free kick? Was the last free kick Doug Fluty?

Speaker 4 (39:34):
No, there was actually one recently if you recall it was.
Wasn't there one?

Speaker 7 (39:38):
Right?

Speaker 2 (39:39):
Flutey did one. He made a field goal on it.

Speaker 4 (39:41):
No, there was one that was right at the end
of a half.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
Oh oh yes, yes, yes, get which game it was.

Speaker 4 (39:49):
But they literally was.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
With the last two years. I think was it last year?
I remember, I remember, I can't even recall which who
it was.

Speaker 4 (39:57):
But anyway, one of those situations where you know, they
figure we got nothing to lose.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
Well, yeah, to be honest, there have been a few
times over the years where I kind of thought that
maybe it might not be a bad idea. It's it's
worth a shot, because you know, to be frank, I
mean I know that the.

Speaker 4 (40:16):
Never and Dicker this past the seven okay for the chargers.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
There you go.

Speaker 4 (40:19):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
You know. Look, it's a way to get points if
you think your guy.

Speaker 4 (40:25):
Can do it, no doubt about it. All right, let's hit.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
There's nothing there on the botch play.

Speaker 4 (40:30):
Yeah, I'm looking at a process.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
I mean, I want to take the call he'll look for.

Speaker 4 (40:34):
We'll circle back to it to get the answer to that.
But there was definitely there was a recent free kick,
as I mentioned this past season. I remember it distinkly.
So let's head back to the phone lines. We got
Robbie in freehold with us here on big Blue kick
off line. What's happen to Robbie's Bobby? Bobby?

Speaker 5 (40:50):
How are you do it?

Speaker 6 (40:51):
A right?

Speaker 5 (40:52):
I am. I was at the practice today and believe me,
I'm gonna get to that in a second. It's an
on and to talk to YouTube guys. I get you Land.
You're very cerebral, and I will here and you're on
the weekend. But my man, Paul, you got a heart
of gold, brother, and you're very knowledge of school. And
I talked to you last week and today a practice.

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I saw that picture with that that little girl, and
then after that you were so and you were on
the you were looking at what was going on. You
are amazing because you were taking note. You were very studio.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
My man. I appreciate your kind words, but I'm just
doing my job. I love what I do and I'm
very passionate about it. That's all that is true.

Speaker 5 (41:42):
Good stuff.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
Well, thank you, Let me go.

Speaker 5 (41:44):
I'm litt you guys before. All I need is like
seconds two minutes. At today's practice, I was focused and
I was constantrated. I'm going to their practice to day.
All I wanted to see is the offensive line. And
then I said, oh, I'm gonna concentrate on that. But
you Stephen Baker, another class guy. When I told you
last week it was Corey Baker. I mean, I'm sorry.

(42:08):
I don't want to get down one. My boy, my boy, Corey.
Uh Stephen Baker. Let me tell you. I had going
home thinking into my car. I remember those two championship
drives and that Super Bowl. I thought that was a
great super Bowl. Now I'm seeing a little bit of

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the league and and and Baker because he needs to
always get open. But if you remember that super Bowl,
those two drives at the end going into this into
the second, but the beginning of the third. Let me
tell you those were championship drives. And if I do
believe you made no answer to this question, I do

(42:50):
believe they The Giants had six point I think think
six points you will carry that game. And Buffalo had
a great defense, they had Myth and company and Daily
gave up like full points. So you know, my question
is when you pencil them this team, but whatever it's
principle in, do you think we'll at least get three

(43:13):
point three point Joel carries? Now, now we don't have Jumbo,
we don't have Odes, And guess I'm not saying comparisons
or similarities, but ma'am you had Shockey and you have
mister Cross. You have two tight ends. And I'm gonna
shout out to Whitney, Whitney Houston because ma'am Corey Webster,

(43:36):
that's my man. So I'm gonna let you guys go continue.
Lance you're the man, Bobby, you let me know what
you see. God bless you the hope for you next year.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Paul, Okay, you got it.

Speaker 4 (43:49):
We appreciate the phone call. Well, I mean, we can
react to the last point. I'm assuming he was talking
about the yardage per carry. This season.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
That's what I think.

Speaker 4 (43:56):
I don't think three is that big of a stretch.
I mean, let's put it this way, they better get
minimum three yards per carry. That to me should not
be the standard or the line that you want to
draw on the sand. I think you need something far
more respectable if you want to be in the top tier.

(44:17):
And not to say that they need to be, but
even in the top half of the league. I want
to bring up the numbers from last season just to
get a ballpark of where the top elite teams were
rushing yards per carry. Okay, so I got to hear
the Ravens were five point eight yards per carry, So
you want to talk about three yards per carry. The
lowest team in the NFL last season, Paul, was the

(44:38):
Las Vegas Raiders, who are three point six right now.
The Giants last season came in at four point two.
So that's where you want minimum to be again this season.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
Do you have total rushing yards per game by team?
Total rushing average average per game? I got that because
in my mind, the targe it should be at least
one hundred and twenty yards on the ground per game,
if not more. I always say I'd like to get
at least one thirty, but you better get at least
one twenty game if you want to be a balanced offense, which,

(45:12):
by the way, is the best thing that you could
do for Russell Wilson because he is such a good
play action passer that if you give him that balance,
it makes him much more effective.

Speaker 4 (45:24):
To answer your question, one thirty was the cutoff to
be in the top ten last season? Yeah, average yards
per game total and the Giants they came in at
one hundred and five yards.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
Now it's not enough, So not enough.

Speaker 4 (45:37):
That's quite the leap that you're going to want. Now,
Remember you added to the backfield with Cam so Scataboo
should help you. Hope that the offensive line stays healthy, okay,
and there's not as much toying with that group. That
should help as well. And then to your point, the
improvement in the caliber of the quarterback and how defenses

(46:02):
need to look at Russell Wilson, that that could very
well open up some better leans on the ground. So
there's really there's three factors that are in work here
that could elevate the overall rushing attack. It's the improvement
at quarterback. It is hopefully steadiness up front with the
personnel on the offensive line, and then the additional versatility

(46:25):
of the running backs. And also a guy like Tyron
Tracy haven't even that much more experience.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
I'll give you one more sure. If this defense is
as good as we think it can be, the Giants
won't be having to play from behind all the time,
which means they will be able to be more balanced
should they want to be.

Speaker 4 (46:42):
So we could sit here and we could probably add
two other factors if you really want to dig deep.
But those, at least from an offensive standpoint, you were
bringing in the defense the balance of the team. But
if you're just looking at it from an offensive side
of things, those, to me are the three factors that
come to mind. Take that into consideration. If you can

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get you're at four point two. If you could get
into four point five territory four and a half yard,
that to me is a really good number if you
can maintain that throughout the course of the season. You
were asking average yards per game for the team. I'm
looking at Carrie, I want to see if you needed

(47:23):
to qualify for the top ten last season, I said
Baltimore was at five point eight. Yeah, so I'm just
looking at what would have been the cutoff number.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
Remember at one point six, Lamar Jackson has a lot
to do with that. Ravens average and well quarterback was
in the top ten and Jayden Daniel and same thing tribute.
When you have a quarterback who was going to be
either first or second on your team in rushing, your
average yarche per carry is going to be inflated because
quarterback average arge per carry are always on a dilated scale.

Speaker 4 (47:52):
Yep, No, the quarterback is going to influence those numbers,
especially if you have somebody that plays a prominent role.
And even if you go back to Land season, we
mentioned Baltimore and Washington, Jalen Hurts with Philadelphia we were
in the town another one.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
So there is.

Speaker 4 (48:06):
Another team that you have to take into consideration. I
know Anthony Richardson got hurt, but Indianapolis builds their running
game with Jonathan Taylor around the court.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
Daniel Jones is going to run for them, I'm sure sure.

Speaker 4 (48:17):
So all of those factors play a role. Now Russ
is somebody that does add that mobility factor, but I
think for the sake of the Giants, correct, you.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
Bite your tongue. Lance mad, I bite your tongue.

Speaker 4 (48:31):
I'm not gonna bite my tongue within the context of
the conversation at least, that's okay.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
But do you not recommend do not have Russell Wilson
running the ball half a dozen times a game? Please
do not do that.

Speaker 4 (48:40):
I don't think you want to get into that territory.
Thank you, doubt about that?

Speaker 2 (48:44):
All right? I can calm down now, Yes.

Speaker 4 (48:46):
Absolutely, all right. Let's head back to the phone lines
with check with Dean in Minnesota. What's happened to Dean?
What do you got for us?

Speaker 6 (48:53):
Hi? Guys?

Speaker 7 (48:54):
Yeah, I have a question. I've been watching your show
every day and you guys have been saying how Russell
Wilson has been in practice and do it all season.
The question I asked for you, what do you think
would happen if Russell and ends up having a perfect season?
You know, what would happen to him next year? I
know he's signed only for one year, right, how would

(49:16):
that impact his future with the Giants? And how would
that also impact Jackson Dark's future.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
We had this conversation on the program yesterday and maybe
even the day before. If Russell Wilson plays extremely well
and the Giants play well and somehow, let's just say
they make the playoffs. Well, it's going to be very
interesting because depending upon Dodg's development while he is sitting
on the bench, you could possibly see a scenario. It

(49:49):
may not be very likely, but I would not rule
out a scenario whereby Russell Wilson might wind up resigning
for another year. I don't think that's likely to happen
because under those conditions, Wilson's also going to want another
hefty piece of cash. On top of that, he's not
going to sign for the same deal he had this year.

(50:10):
If he wins and leads the Giants to the playoffs,
he'll want a raise to come back in twenty twenty six,
and I wouldn't blame him, which may make it difficult
for the Giants to do. Now. The one thing you
can do, because Dart was a first round pick and
you get the fifty year option in theory, if you
wanted to again, circumstances would have to be unique, but possible.

(50:37):
You could bring him back for another year. If it
works out so well and he plays winning football and
lead you to the playoffs, you could, in theory tell
Jackson Dart Hey, we're going to let you be the
number two quarterback next year. Let him battle to be
number two, and at least start the season with Wilson

(50:59):
next year. If you're able to resign him and come
to a nice economic settlement, you could do that, because Dart,
with that fifty year option, you'll still have plenty of
time to figure out if he's your franchise guy down
the line. If you only have the four years, it's
a little bit sketchier, no, but you know you have
the five if you need it.

Speaker 4 (51:18):
Sure, but remember you also need to know whether or
not you want to exercise that fifth year option.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
Well you don't just get to that, no, but between
twenty six and twenty eight you probably would get a
good idea as to what you want to do, because
Wilson at best, I would think, at best, we're reaching
to the far end of the spectrum. Maybe gives you
one more year. I don't really think the Giants, based
on what they're doing with their franchise, they might entertain

(51:47):
the possibility of Wilson in twenty six. Maybe again, I
think it's a small percentage, but I don't think they
would entertain on having him here past that no.

Speaker 4 (51:56):
Because I mean, at that point you're talking about three
years each.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
And pointless, and I mean that's pointless.

Speaker 4 (52:02):
I'm maybe reading a little bit more in between the
lines to answer the caller's question. But even if Russell
does have a good season and you want to entertain
bringing it back, I mean to me, that may also
be an example that you're not overly confident that dark
could take over. I would think at that point, you know,
you'd want to let him spread his wings and see

(52:22):
what he could do with a full season under his belt.
Even if he didn't get in in play you've at
least had a year for him to learn the offense,
be in the quarterback room.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
So yeah, that's why I say, I don't think it's
to pass up. I guess I don't think it's likely. Yeah,
that Wilson is quarterbacking the Giants in twenty twenty six,
I don't think it's likely. But could that scenario occur?
I wouldn't slam the door on it, but I don't
think it's likely.

Speaker 4 (52:49):
See if he had, yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 8 (52:54):
Gone deep in the playoff, even that's not expect that.
Let's say if they sh went they went all the
way to the super Bowl and you cannot go off
off Russell.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
I understand your feeling. I mean, yeah, but again, that
could come down to economics. If Russell Wilson leads the
Giants to the super Bowl, he's gonna want a big number,
not just a little race. He's gonna want a big number.
And I don't know what their appetite is to pay
a big number for him. He would if he I'm
not saying he wouldn't, but maybe maybe he would have

(53:29):
earned that big number from somebody else.

Speaker 4 (53:32):
Yeah, I mean, if anything, he's gonna make himself an
appreciate the phone call. He's gonna make himself attractive to
the rest of the league under that hypothetical. It's also
not unheard of for a team to move on from
a player even after a good season.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
It can happen. We've seen that, especial Alex Smith in
Kansas City.

Speaker 4 (53:46):
Without a doubt, And that's another good example, because they
had drafted Patrick Mahomes and they were ready and here's
a guy that got into one game and the only
reason when he got into that game was because the
Chiefs had clinched the playoffs spot. If they don't and
they have a meaningful last week of the season. Alex
Smith is probably under center, but Kansas City, behind the scene, said, hey,
Patrick's ready to take the baton, so we're going to

(54:08):
now accelerate things and move forward. And everyone follows a
different plan. But I would think in if you ask
the giants, the ideal situation would be learn from Russell,
learn from Russell Wilson year one, get comfortable, and then
him take the baton year two. That would be an
ideal follow the necessary steps. Whilst the tea's nott the eyes.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
I agree, let me make that clear, folks, I agree
that would be the most logical, most reasonable or most rational,
probably most beneficial scenario.

Speaker 4 (54:44):
And not to take anything away from Russell Wilson and
personally and from the team perspective, you know they want
him to thrive. But I think you also need to
take into consideration if we go back to the callers hypothetical,
it's another year of where in Tara on his body,
he's getting up there and age you have to I
guess I'm looking at it from a business standpoint, and Paul,

(55:06):
maybe we're getting a little bit off topic, but I'm
going to bring in the late great Kobe Bryant in
the NBA. Okay, if you remember the Lakers, they had
to determine do we pay Kobe for what he's going
to give us moving forward, or do we pay Kobe
for what he gave us right previously? Isn't there you
could say when you evaluate veteran quarterbacks, you sort of
have to walk that fine line. Are we getting more

(55:27):
of that or are we just rewarding for what previously happened.
You have to at least ask yourself that when evaluating,
especially somebody who has over ten years in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
A bit of a different scenario. But it's funny. I
just heard on Sirious yesterday. Apparently it looks like Joe
Flacco maybe but the days start or again for Cleveland.

Speaker 4 (55:47):
Yeah, well that's not crazy.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
You know how many times has he been given up
for dead.

Speaker 4 (55:53):
He's like a cat, he's got nine lives and then
some well remember they got two rookie quarterbacks and they
also have Kenny p and he just got shaken up
with an injury. So remember, it's again another example of
how the dynamics are different from team to team when
you look at it from the NFL standpoint.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
Speaking of a guy with nine lives. Ryan Fitzpatrick was
one of those guys too.

Speaker 4 (56:12):
Yeah, I mean, think about how many uniforms he put
on over the course of his career. I mean, nearly
half the league incredible at one point. And some guys
thrive under those circumstances. Yeah, and some teams also are
comfortable where they can go from quarterback to quarterback. But
everyone's goal ultimately is to have the veteran clear the

(56:33):
path forward for the young QB. And I think that's
exactly what the Giants are looking for in terms of
building the bridge ultimately to Jackson Dart. With respect to
the quarterbacks, we went old school earlier in the program,
so it peaked interest from other listeners and callers. You
were talking about why a tittle so in terms of

(56:53):
and I believe I look this up. I just want
to make sure I have the name right in that
game where he threw five interceptions. We were talking about
championship game.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
Yes, why are we bringing this horrible memory back?

Speaker 4 (57:04):
It's not horrible, just talk.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
It is a horrible memory.

Speaker 4 (57:07):
Okay, Well, I'm not trying to do it to stir
the pot and make you feel No, it was Glenn
Griffin was the other Yes player that had come in briefly.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
Yes, and he for a series, a series or something
because for one Tittle refused to come out. He wanted to.
He was like, no, I'm finished in the game. No.

Speaker 4 (57:22):
So one of our listeners was recalling that that was
the player. Oh, yes, yes, the only reason why we
brought that.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
Yeah, Tittle was in really bad shape, but he just
he had to be out there with his guys. He
was a warrior.

Speaker 4 (57:35):
But now bringing it full circle back to something that
perhaps will be a little bit more positive for you, please,
that's my goal. We want to end on a high
note from that standpoint. No, getting back to the quarterback
situation and some of the observations that even we've seen
over the course of practice. You mentioned Russell Wilson was
one of your top three guys that you had listed
right over the course of the.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
First on offense. Yeah, there was no question for me.
Russell Wilson has just been just terrific ever since he
got here.

Speaker 4 (58:03):
Well, the one thing that I noticed just from watching
practice today and one of the passes that he threw
was to Molik Neighbors down the right sideline. You could
tell even in practice, Russ knows how to buy time. Yeah,
But what I mean by buying time is there are
quarterbacks who they get I like to call it happy feet, Right,
they start dancing, and then more often than not, it

(58:25):
leads to a negative play. Right, You're gonna take.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
A sack, a turnover, no doubt.

Speaker 4 (58:28):
But Russ has experience maybe turning that tap dancing into
something positive because he's been doing that throughout the course
of his career. And even the play with Neighbors, you know,
whether it was him buying more time or stepping up
into the pocket. And I understand that you have to
have an internal clock because the pads weren't on and
you know, guys can't hit the quarterback. But that element,

(58:51):
just like I said, jamis Winston rolling the dice, and
that aggressiveness that we see in games, the Russ extending
of plays that's apparent in practice, which is why you
see it roll over during games.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
The thing that gets a bit dangerous is that he's
not twenty five anymore. He tried to do that too
often with the Steelers last year and that was part
of the struggles that the offense had down the stretch.
I would like to believe that at this point, coming
off of that season, that Wilson has learned something from that.

(59:21):
Even at this advanced age and this late in his career,
I'd like to think that he's learned from the Steelers'
experience and will throw the ball away a little quicker
than perhaps take some of the negative plays and some
of the extra sacks that he took in Pittsburgh because
he was trying to make something out of nothing. When

(59:44):
you're younger and you're quicker and your arm has a
little bit more juice in it, like when he was
in Seattle, you can get away with that a lot
more often than he could last year with Pittsburgh.

Speaker 4 (59:56):
Well, the other element that I also wanted to bring up,
I'm glad you brought that part of his career last
year because there was also I think this was the
Steelers Ravens playoff game Paul, if memory serves to be correct,
where he took off with his legs and he was
trying to brace himself for hit and lost the ball.
So that's another part of the game and his style

(01:00:17):
of play where sliding as opposed to going the extra
mile to try to get in could be the difference
because they were running some plays down in the red
zone today and you could tell it parts like the
Red Sea. You know, Russ also has the ability to
take it himself.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
He does. Of this game, he does I still don't
want to see.

Speaker 4 (01:00:39):
But that element, though, can be useful.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
It can be that, it can be I'd rather get
the ball out of his hands into somebody else's sure, yea.

Speaker 4 (01:00:49):
All I'm saying is that even with what he's been
through during the course of his career and the games played,
there is still that mobility.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
It is part of his game, part of his game,
maybe not to the effectiveness or to the heights that
it was when he was younger. It is there, though,
and I just hope he's very judicious in terms of
how often he uses it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:14):
No doubt about it. All right. So those are some
of the observations for practice today and some of the
developments at quarterback. The battle at wide receiver is definitely
something that will be keeping close tabs on and everything
else in between.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Full pats tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (01:01:28):
There you go. So after they had Wednesday off, now
you could tell they're slowly building it back up.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
Do we have rain in the forecast tomorrow?

Speaker 4 (01:01:37):
We have rain coming out today.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
I'm sure I don't care about today. I care about tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (01:01:41):
I can't in terms of leaving this building. How about that.
But I'm so glad you're looking at it from a
bunch bigger perspective.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
Other people want to come out to practice tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (01:01:49):
Okay, well, you are all over the wedding more than
I am.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
Sixty percent chance of rain tomorrow. As a reminder, we
remind you of this all the time. Go to the
Giants Mobile app, go to your notifications, make sure the
setting is on, and you're all your giant social media
accounts before you head out here. If anything's going on
in terms of your ability to see practice, because they
have to move it inside. They can't let the public

(01:02:14):
in there. It's a safety issue. There's not enough room
on the sidelines. Again, stay tuned to the media, to
the Giants Mobile app, Giants dot Com, all the social
media platforms, and they'll alert you as soon as possible
if they're going to have to close practice and bring
it inside. Hopefully the weather will be good and you
folks can have a good time.

Speaker 4 (01:02:33):
And the good news is as we come full circle.
Like Jason and Orlando earlier in the program if for
some reason, mother nature doesn't cooperate tomorrow. Paul Patino's here
every single day. He sleeps here, Okay. He has a pillow,
a blanket, so he will be here then when the
sun will come out to shine and you can meet him,
he kisses.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
Oh my, okay.

Speaker 4 (01:02:53):
I think that's a good way to wrap up Thursday's
edition a Big Blue Kickoff Live. It's presented by Cadillac,
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This is the Giants Podcast Studio presented by Hackensack Maridian Health.
Keep getting better. Appreciate everybody tuning in for Paul Tatino.
I'm Lance Veno signing off here on Big Blue Kickoff Live.
Have a good one.