Big Blue Kickoff Live 8/4 | Breaking Down the Offense

Paul Dottino and Matt Citak discuss everything they saw from practice today, talk about the Giants offense, and take calls from fans.

:00 - Monday’s practice review

19:20 - Calls

31:05 - Cam Skattebo

33:00 - The offensive line

49:45 - Youtube questions

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(00:48):
the weather was perfect today, low eighties, bright sunshine, nice breeze.
Could not have asked for a more gorgeous afternoon to
have a practice. And then on top of that, the
offense had quite a bit of fireworks. Now it was
a shells practice, folks. Full practice resumes again on Wednesday

(01:11):
in full pads. Only a shells, but a number of
really strong performances by the receivers. Today, quarterbacks threw the ball. Well,
we did have a pick six by Javon Hollins.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
You gonna say the defense made some place too.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
They had three or four, but not as many as
the offense. I thought the offense one today.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Well, for at least a portion of practice, the team
drills were taking place in the red zone, which, yes,
as we've spoken of.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
He's always going to be today advanced.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
That typically leans towards the offense's advantage. Yeah, but yeah,
the offense stepped up.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
All right, We're going to get to that in just
a second. Our number is two one nine three nine
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(02:02):
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(02:26):
let me get out my trusty notebook. You got your notebook,
and let's quickly go through some of the highlighted plays
from practice today. All right, the best defensive play. Let's
just start with the top plays of the day. Javon
Holland pick six. Russell Wilson throws over the middle on
a deep slant to Wandell Robinson. Holland's read it, stole

(02:48):
it and was off to the races.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Yeah, took it the other way for a touchdown. You know,
it was nice to see some of the defensive lineman.
I don't know if you noticed this, but some of
the defensive linemen and most notably Brian Burns, as soon
as he saw Javon Holland picked it, picked off the pass,
immediately started sprinting downfield to throw him some blocks. Again,
this is practice team drills. There's no really no need

(03:14):
for him to do that, but that just goes to show,
you know, similar to the play that he got a
little banged up on last week, Brian Burns has one
speed and it is full go. Yes, he's got a
motor that hopefully, you know, if he stays healthy all year,
we're gonna see that a little bit more. But yeah,
Javon Holland, I mean he made a nice play. I
couldn't tell from my angle. If the ball was like

(03:36):
right out past Wandell's outstretched arms. It might have, you know,
gone through his arms a little bit. It would have
been a nice grab.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
Holland read the play.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
But Holland was behind. Yeah, and he didn't jump thero
out what I'm saying. But no, he did read it.
He read standing in the perfect place to make the
playoff the ball.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
All right? Some other uh, well yeah, why not? Why
don't you know what you mentioned the defense. Let's just
do the defensive place first, because they were more offensive plays.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
Yeah, we got a handful of pass breakups throughout eleven
on eleven drills.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
Trey Hawkins Raheem Lanes.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Trey Hawkins had a great one in the end zone.
It's actually the cover of today's practice gallery up on
giants dot Com and the Giant If you want to,
I'll show you real quick, Paul see because it's a
great angle of the play.

Speaker 3 (04:22):
Who took that shot?

Speaker 2 (04:24):
I believe it was Brennan, the new team photographer Brennan,
who's been doing a great job so far.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
That is a sweet photo.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
Yeah, so that was a great play by Trey Hawkins
in the end zone of little Jordan Humphrey. Then Raheem
Layton had a pass break up earlier during eleven and elevens,
and I had TJ Moore down for a pass breakup,
and then those are I believe that was it.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
Those are the only ones that I had.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
You know, we did see the defensive line get some
solid pressure on plays. Again. Number of times, as I've
pointed out on the show before, were a lot of
times during these team drills when the d line gets
a pressure on the quarterback. Sometimes the coaching staff will
call the play dead if it's like a complete obvious
sack and like he's surrounded by three guys, But a

(05:13):
lot of the time they kind of let the play
continue on because, you know, while up front the play
is sort of over the secondary, the receivers, they're all
still going full go, so they tend to let it
play out. So we did see a couple of you know,
downfield passes occur on plays like that, where if it
were a game, I don't know if the quarterback would

(05:33):
have actually gotten the pass off. So the D line
just you know, continues to get solid pressure and there's
nothing against the offensive line because I think the offensive
line is with the limited that we've been able to
get to actually see with them in pads, which again
they were not today, but aline's been you know, it's
been solid. But the D line just looks like it,

(05:54):
you know, it could carry the potentially carry this team
this yew.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
Let's see what happens in full preds on Wednesday. Again,
only shells today. So the old line is at a
disadvantage for sure. Okay, we always make sure to tell
you guys that because it does make a difference. Yes,
you have to put all these comments that we throw
at you in context because of the style of the
practice that they were undertaking. All right, let's go through
some of the catches. Well, Montreal Washington, the former Kansas

(06:23):
City chief, among others, made one of those really sweet
stabs today that you just like you know, is going
to go on the highlight film. It would have made
Sports Centers Top ten if they were doing it for
training camp practices, but they don't. He told us afterwards.
It was definitely his best player camp.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Yeah, so that occurred during seven on sevens, the first
team period. He I believe a clip of it got
posted I think by us. If not, I did see
the team site have it. I saw a clip of
it going around someone either the reporters or someone in
the stands got it. But he just reached up with
one hand and snags it out of the air. And

(07:03):
this was like a I don't know, at least twenty
yards down the field. It was not a short pass
by any means. He just made a beautiful, fantastic play
on the ball to come down with it. We've been
saying his name a lot. It seems like at least
once a practice we say Montreal Washington's name, and in
a positive light, you know, for we've been discussing, you know,

(07:24):
before training camp, we discussed, you know, we don't know
who's gonna be that you know, backup slot position for
Wandell Robinson. Well, so far there seems like a pretty
clear answer on who at least is the favorite for
that spot right now.

Speaker 3 (07:37):
About that now, Washington over the last few practices has
absolutely earned his keep. In fact, Brian Dables said, guys
like that earn more reps and with the higher level
team because they deserve it.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yeah, he's with the first team offense, that is true.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
But don't sleep on Dellan Cambray, who's got a terrific
offseason and today caught a really sweet back shoulder throw
along the right sideline. Or Gunner Roschewsky, who during the
final eleven on eleven period today caught four passes from
Jameis Winston on the drive. Three of them were spectacular

(08:14):
catches and of course he kept it off for the
touchdown grab.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
Yeah, that was a great final play by Gunner. Familiar face. Obviously,
clearly the coaching staff likes him, otherwise he would not
have been brought back last week.

Speaker 4 (08:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
Look, just my opinion, I guess. But the way that
Mantra Washington has played and the way that he's caught
passes from Jameis Winston, from Jackson Dart especially and from
Russell Wilson, plus his abilities in the special teams and
the kick return which he mentioned today he spoke to
the media, which again is a good sign for him. Say,

(08:50):
but he said like, look, I'm if I make this team,
it's gonna be because of my return abilities and then
if I can show him what else, what else I
can do as a pass catcher, that's like added on.
That's great, and he's getting an opportunity. He also had
what at least so far, it's August fourth was my
favorite quote of training camp so far, because obviously the

(09:13):
beats kept asking him like it seems like you, you know,
you make a big play every single day, and with
a smile on his face, he goes, yeah, my motto
is a catch a day keeps the coaches away. Yes,
And that was just amazing, And clearly it's a motto
he's been you know, following suit with because he's made
at least one big catch almost every single practice.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
Again, he's put himself on the radar. I don't necessarily
know that I'd make them a favorite. Both Collins to me,
was the best of that cluster of receivers and then
he wound up having to come out and he's been
with the trainers the last couple of days.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
Yeah, but that doesn't help him, of course, And you know,
both Collins has that a strong camp. Cambria's had a season,
he's done, Cambriy has done well well. It's just you know,
when we talk about these last couple of wide receiver spots.
Is you and I've spoken about at length, whoever it
is that makes a team in that spot, the one

(10:12):
or two guys are going to have to contribute in
a pretty big way on snow times. They cannot just
purely play wide receiver. That's just not what that roster
spot is going to be used for. So no question,
we'll see what happens. All this This is, you know,
great during practice. It's the preseason where all these guys
that we're talking about are really going to have an
expanded opportunity to show what they can do. And as

(10:35):
we've seen, you know, Mancho Washington is wearing that number
eighty and he was even asked. It was brought up
at the very end. You know, a pretty popular wide
receiver who kind of came out of nowhere that made
that number famous for the New York Giants. Victor Cruz
had his moment because of what he did in the preseason.
He shared to all of these guys, come Saturday is

(10:57):
the first opportunity they're gonna have a chance to do
it in a game, and we'll see what they can do.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
Had three grabs by Malik neighbors today, and every time
he grabs one, the entire crowd goes nuts. And quite honestly,
they were nice grabs. They weren't spectacular, but they were
nonetheless nice athletic grabs. And Neighbors does this every single practice.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
I would say there was one that I would say
at least was near spectacular. You like the slide, the
first one, first one stirring eleven on Eleven's when he
leaped up into the air, looked like he just like
ye jumped over everybody on the field.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
Phillips was in coverage.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yeah, it was good coverage. It's just Malik. It was
right there, you know. Again in Montreal, Washington. Also, not
to keep going back to him, but he had a
quote about Malik and someone asked him like, have you
been picking stuff up from Malik? And have you given
anything to Malik? And he was pretty honest. He's like,
I don't know if I've given anything to Malik, but
I've certainly picked up a lot from him. And the
biggest thing is when you throw the ball up to Malik,

(11:59):
you know, oh he's coming down with the ball, you
know it. And he was like, that's how I want
to get to I want to get to a point
where the quarterbacks feel that way about me. But that
just goes to show even his new teammates it hasn't
taken him long to realize Molik Neighbors is just different.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
He's special boiled by him. I can't believed first catch
was the one that boarded on sensational.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
Yeah, I mean, I know, we've just come on, we've
come used to him. See what he does. I know,
but I guess we are getting spoiled by him practice.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
He makes at least one eye opening grab every single practice.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
Yes, and that one that we were talking about was
from Russell Wilson. And I just bring that up because again,
almost every one of these big mileak catches we've talked about,
Russell Wilson has been the one throwing him the ball,
starting quarterback, number one star receiver. The more chemistry that
they can grow and develop as we get closer and
closer to Week one, the better. So I would love

(12:59):
to see and I hope you see one hundred more
of them over the next month.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
I wrote down Hyatt with a nice backed shoulder catch
from Wilson despite blanket coverage from tight Banks. That was
early in practice.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
I had that one and so just real quick on
that play because I don't know, not many people noticed it.
It was a great throw. Only Jalen Hyatt could catch it,
and he did catch it, and they ruled it a catch.
But I want to give Deontay Banks credit because after
Hyatt made the catch, before he stepped out of bounds,
Deontay Banks punched the ball out. He knocked it out

(13:32):
of his hands. I think I think it's still it
would have been a catch. It was a gumbole out
of bounds. It would have been one of those plays,
especially because it was on the sideline where in a
game it probably would have been reviewed and then they
would have had to go to the super slow motion
to see if he actually completed the catch before he
knocked it out. But I just want to give Deontay
Banks credit because it's going down as a catch for Hyatt,

(13:54):
but he did made a great play on the ball
to knock it out of his hands at the last second.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
Four or five defensive players immediately signaled incomplete because they
wanted to for Banks, he wasn't getting it from the
reft Tholse so but I'm glad you brought up Banks
because again he's had a terrific off season. Yeah, all right,
who else dild we have here? I mentioned Cambery before.
We had a really nice catch right over the middle

(14:19):
on a crossing route. It was a rope in the
end zone from Jackson Dart to Zach Pascal. Do you
remember that one that was in eleven on eleven in
the red zone?

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
That was a real, real sharp laser beam and Pascal
just plucked it right inside the back line.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
Yeah, that was a great play. And as we're all
sticking on Jackson Dart, one of those plays I mentioned
earlier where might have been a sack in the game,
but they let it play out. Darius Alexander gets pressure
on Jackson Dart and flushes him out of the pocket.
He's sort of a little bit of a scramble drill. Again,
I think Darius probably would have gotten a sack. It
would have been close at least, But nonetheless, Jackson Dart

(14:57):
made a fantastic like diving jumping, diving throw where he
literally like jumped and threw the ball while in the air,
falling out of bounds and he hit who was it?
He had little Jordan Humphrey over the middle for what
would have been a first down, and it was one
of those first like insanely athletic, Yes yeah, one.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
Of the first to pascale now the one was to Humphrey,
Yes yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
But just that throw, I mean we kind of saw
Jackson Dart do a little bit of that in college
at Ole miss m hm with being able to I'm
not comparing him to Patrick Mahomes, but just the way
that Patrick Mahomes will sometimes like jump in the air
and make an insane throw mid air at an insane
arm angle. Today was one of the first times we

(15:43):
saw in person at least Jackson Dart make one of
those throws on it. Literally he was jumping, diving, falling
and he still throws it perfectly like side arm to
little Jordan Humphrey, he was crossing the middle. Was just
a great play.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
The other one that I start on I know book
was Jameis Winston to Greg Dulcic yep for a touchdown
on a tightrope. Another one of these throws. We saw
several of those throws today from all the quarterbacks where
you know they're just finding the top of the pin.

(16:18):
You know, we're talking about hitting the pin head, just
putting the ball exactly where it has to be at.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
Yeah, that was a great throw and a great catch
by Dulcig. It was nice to see Dolcigs come up
with that play because he did have a drop earlier
in practice, so for him to bounce right back and
make a great contested grab in the end zone for
a touchdown like that, that was just great to see
because for the most part, he's had a pretty good camp.
He's had a couple of drops, no doubt, most part
he's had a strong camp, So it was just nice

(16:45):
to see him bounce back pretty quickly like that.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
All right, did you have anything else? Those were all
the plays that I started in my book? Did anybody else.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
You mentioned the Cambri from Jamis sideline grab. I did
just have one. Tommy DeVito to Gunner Olcheskey earlier obviously
not the final drive. Gunner was kind of just open,
but Tommy hit him in stride downfield for a big
game And yeah, just that that last drive by Gunner

(17:14):
was I don't remember seeing a receiver not on the
level of the league neighbors have a like a training
camp series like Gunner did, so I've been live tweeting
plays during practice and before I could even send it.
For the first Gunner catch was a great catch. He
then makes two other ones back to back from Jamis.

(17:35):
They get all the way down the field, and then
of course Jamis finds Gunner in the end zone. He
had four grabs on that final play where the offense
was sort of simulating a real drive moving down the field.
His stat line on that drive alone probably would have
been four catches for I don't know, fifty plus yards
in the touchdown something like that. Probably he just he
was catching everything that Jamis was throwing in his direction.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
Was also the best eleven on eleven drive that I've
seen Jameis Winston have the whole off season.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Yeah, so he had won. The first throw was a
good downfield throw to Gunner, who made a strong play.
A couple the next two were sort of short intermediate routes,
and then the thing that the play that got the
Giants all the way down inside the ten yard line,
Jamis threw a great ball. I forgot who the receiver was,
but he got it. I think it was Dante Miller
potentially drew a defensive passinger.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
Field that was the one down the left side. It
was a wheel route.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Yeah, it was to turbo.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
It was turbo, yes, turbo.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
But Jamis put it in a place where the defender
had no choice but to hit Turbo otherwise give up
a humongous play. So they ruled the defensive pass interference.
And then the next play is when Jamis found Gunner
for the touchdown. All right, folks, two A one nine
three nine four five one three.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
That's a wrap on today's practice session. And man o,
man o, man, I can't wait to see another practice
after what we saw today, especially with that weather.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
I can't wait for Saturday. Man I just want to
see a game.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
I'm ready, believe you me, I'm looking forward to it
as well. We go to the phone lines. Brandon in
New Jersey. You're first on the show.

Speaker 5 (19:08):
Hello, Moran Fellas, how are y'all? I just wanted to
talk about situational football. One of the things that's kind
of plagued the Giants in recent years, shortyardis situations. I
was one of those people in the rain and the
Jets game could have won, just go forward on fourth
to one. But you shortyard situations have been like kind

(19:32):
of a.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
Deal.

Speaker 5 (19:34):
It's been an issue for the team for a while,
and I was hoping that they get fixed. All I
talked to you earlier, I think that was even at
the end of last season and requested we get earth,
wind and fire. I don't know if you remember that. Yeah, sure,
we ended up with more wins and no earth. That's
what we ended up with. And so my first preliminary question,

(19:55):
just to see if we're all on the same page,
would you put Cam scattered boy at fullback?

Speaker 3 (20:00):
No? No, he's not a fullback. He let me put
it to you this way. Do you remember Ron Daan.

Speaker 4 (20:09):
No?

Speaker 3 (20:10):
Okay, Ron Daine was a Heisman Trophy winner. Okay, he
was here during the late nineties, and actually, no, it
was probably the early two thousands.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
It was exact two thousand, Yeah, not late nineties.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
He was here with Jim Fossil and then bled into
the Tom Conflin era. So it was about two thousand
and two thousand and one first round draft pick. He
was a Wisconsin running back who was lower and thicker,
and a lot of people said, well, he's got to
be a fullback. But here's the problem. His skill set
did not scream full back. His body frame did, but

(20:47):
his skill set was of a halfback. And you know,
I've talked to Tiki Barber about this multiple times. People
kept wanting to see Dane as a full but that
was not his talent. It just wasn't and he was
put a square pag into a circular hole and in

(21:09):
a lot of ways, that's why his career with the
Giants never flourished. If you do that to camp Scataboo,
you're going to misuse him and never get him to
reach his potential. That would be a terrible mistake. I'm
telling you that right now. If there's a fullback on
this team, it's gonna wind up being part time duties
for Bellinger because he's the one who's the one more

(21:33):
likely to take snaps at full back again, assuming he
makes the team, and I think he will.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
Yeah, I was gonna say it's just sort of putting
Skataboo at full back would sort of just be like
a waste of his talent. He's way too silled of
a running back to put him at full back. If
the Giants are gonna, you know, have anyone lined up
at fullback, I agree completely with Paul. It's gonna be
the tight one of the tight ends. Just lining up
in the backfield in front of the running back, and
it's not going to be I don't think too often

(22:00):
an occasional play or maybe even you know, finally, maybe
they'll follow it. You know, I think you have been
calling for, which is through Elijah Chatman back there.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
I mean, I don't mind seeing a full back chapter
in the playbook.

Speaker 4 (22:15):
You know that.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
I'm always been a fan of that. Here's what I
will tell you, though we've also said this since they
drafted Scataboo. You could probably see some section of the
playbook where both guys are in the backfield at the
same time. But that's not because they're going to be
in an eye and one guy's gonna be the full back.
That's not gonna be the case at all. And I'm

(22:36):
not sure they're going to be lined up in a
pro set. But what they may wind up doing is
having one guy run out, sprint out into the would
be Tracy sprint out, and wind up leaving a single
back in the backfield with pre snap motion. Or they
could even in theory, lined up Scataboo as an h
back and then just have him go out for a pass.

(22:59):
They could do that, but to line Scattaboo up as
a as a full back, per se terrible mistake.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
Yeah, having both backs back there on the same play
would just be to throw off the defense and keep
them on their toes, which I've been since we drafted Scataboo.
I've been saying, I cannot wait to see Brian Dable
and Mike Keffick come up with some plays that have
both of those guys back there, and as you just mentioned, Paul,
send one of them in motion, and it's gonna have

(23:25):
the defense scrambling because then you still have to account
for the running back that's still in the backfield, knowing
that guy's more than capable of running routes and catching
passes down the field. Yep, all right, it.

Speaker 5 (23:37):
Sounds like we're on the same page. So but I
doubt you're going to agree with my very next state.
Even though you guys just said everything you just said,
camp Scattaboo is also not a power.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
Back, and I think, well, that's not true.

Speaker 5 (23:50):
The biggest thing is his go on. I think the
biggest thing is when you look at who camp Scattaboo is,
I think they take two of his good traits circle
him the game other and make them power but that's
not what he is. So I think he has great vision,
he got soft hands, he runs with extreme aggression, he's
got good contact balance. So what I think is because

(24:11):
people see his aggression and his contact balance, they automatically
make that a power back. But like you just said, Paul,
if you playing a runner running back in the wrong
typle of position, they won't reach their potential. And just
they haven't listed as five eleven. But the problem is
y'all keep taking pictures of him and Tracy standing next

(24:31):
to each other. I kind of believe Tracy's five to eleven,
but he's got like four inches on Scatum, so there's
no way he's got tall. And then I just keep
thinking about third and one. Peter Vey has lined up
on the other side. Do you think he looks back
at his linebackers and Carris camp scatterablel Hey, man, I'm
any help this camp scatibul back there, he laughing, like

(24:51):
I know this is I know y'all not doing this.
So I think on sureyardish situations like you guys just said,
they need to really have to both Tracy and Scatterbrew
on the field at the same time. Like you said
motion misdirection, because I just don't want them teeing off
on this man on first and ten from the two
yard line pointer Cam scatterbrew back there, you're gonna get

(25:14):
him injured. He's gonna deal with them. And the other
thing is when he does make contact, and he's now
he's gonna make contact. He has a tendency to lead
with the crowd at his helmet and y'all know what time.
It is just simple physics. If he does, that's what
big three hundred and fifty pounds sixty four man. We
know where he's going to be right after that, and
it's just simple physics there. And I'm afraid because every

(25:35):
time I see, oh, he's a power back, he's a
power back. He's a power back. No, he's not.

Speaker 6 (25:39):
He's too slow to be one.

Speaker 5 (25:41):
He's a good running back that runs with power, but
he's not a power back. And then just so and
then I'll get off of I'm gonna say.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
This last thing.

Speaker 5 (25:48):
It's also why I think that GVR should start at center,
and it's because JSM, the coaches will tell you at
any point, we like to see that guy's learned from
the mistakes and they're not making the same mistakes over
and over and over. But Jasim or JMS whatever, Jingleheimer Schmidt,
I don't know. All I know is every for two

(26:11):
years now, the one thing that keeps happening is he
gets pushed directly backwards and it keeps happening. And they
have yet to circleness and say he's a repeat offender
in this. He's just too light in the butt and
and and John already did a thing with Warren Sack
as far as what Russell Wilson's numbers are under pressure,
especially in the center pressure, and they're not moving many people.

(26:33):
And then you're gonna put a smaller back in the
back and try to move one yard. It's gonna look
just like it's been looking for years and years. And
but i'll take your, uh, your responses to that, thank
you well.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
To start, let me just say I don't think there's
any running back in the NFL that Vidave is looking
at and being intimidated by and asking his defenders behind
him for help, other than maybe Derrick Henry. Yeah, talking
about the largest guy in the.

Speaker 3 (27:03):
He's a monster of a defensive tackle. He's an upper
echelon player. So I'm with Matt on this one. First
of all, we've been telling you this. In fact, I've
been banging the drum on this since John Michael Schmidz
got drafted. He's an undersized center who has to increase
his power quotient. He's a very smart player, he gives

(27:23):
good effort. He's known for his technique. But here's the problem.
If he doesn't increase his power quotient, his level of
effectiveness is always going to fall short of the mark.
That's just a fact. I'm sorry, it's just a fact.
Now he's in his third season, I don't know where
his power quotient is because I haven't seen him in
a game. Let's see him in the preseason games and

(27:46):
let's see how he does. I don't know what he's
lifting right now. I don't go in the weight room
and log these guys' numbers. But what you've said is
something I've been saying for three years. He's got to
get stronger, thicker, and stronger if he's going to be
able to hold up in this league against some of
the bigger defensive tackles. That's not a secret. I'm glad

(28:07):
you pay attention to the show. As far as the
other situation goes you're wrong. Scataboo is a power back. Now,
what he does have are many more deceptive traits that
also make him run to daylight. He's got great vision,
he's got great patience, he knows how to read blocks,
he does have some quickness and elusiveness at the point

(28:28):
of attack with his feet, and he does take good
angles to daylight. He can run the daylight.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
So that's all true.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
But when we talk about a power back, we're talking
about a guy if he gets his head of steam
going into the line and it's third and one, can
he get enough momentum between his energy, his push and
his strength, especially out of his legs. Can he push
that pile if there's not any room and still get

(28:56):
the third and one first down? If you watch Camp
Scataboo with Arizona's you know he can do it. And
if he's on the one yard line, he's getting into
the end zone and he will push somebody or drag
somebody across the goal line. That's why he's a power back.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
Yeah, look, no one is gonna you know, think look
at Camp Scatabu and get him mistaken for Brandon Jacobs.
Back there obviously he's a lot smaller, But I don't
see how you could look at what he did Arizona
State last year and the amount of times that he
ran people over and not and say that he's just
not at all a power back. You don't need to

(29:33):
be Derrick Henry size in order to be a power back,
right you ask This is a different position, but you
ask anyone on the team who the strongest player on
this team is, they would say Elijah Chapman, and he
is nowhere remotely close to the biggest guy on the team.
You don't need to be the biggest or have insane
size in order to be considered a power player at
your position. So I just completely disagree with that take.

(29:59):
I mean, again, if you can run people over, and
you're right, some of it is just having great contact
balance for sure, but it involves having a ton of physicality,
which is a characteristic of a power back.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
I like to use the term power quotient because it
is the amount of power that you pack into the
frame that you have. JMS needs a higher power quotient.
Scataboo has a very high power quotient for his frame.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
He is so compact. If you were to see him
in person, you would not think he's like so small. Like, yeah,
you're right, he's not tall, he's not the tallest, but
he is so built. He's built like a little truck. Yep.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
All right, we go back to the phones, David and
North Carolina Online one. You're next on the program.

Speaker 4 (30:50):
Hello, Hey, guys, starry to beat a dead horse here.
But man, when that gentleman just called in, I had
to call in and respond on it sounds like you
guys did.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
Uh. We took care of him. It's okay, not to worry. Uh.

Speaker 4 (31:06):
Listen, you know we all love Brandon Jacobs, right. Uh.
One of the best powerbacks in the NFL. Uh at
the time, no doubt about it. But you know one
thing Jacobs had an issue. Uh. And I'm sure it's
one of the reasons coaches told him throughout his life. Hey,

(31:27):
you shouldn't be a running back is his height. And
so I don't care how big you are, how tough
you are, how strong you are, the low man wins.
And there were times in short yarded situations. I'm not
gonna lie see yet, I actually like Bradshaw better in
short yard because he was so low to the ground.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
Understood, and he was so tough.

Speaker 4 (31:48):
And I'm telling you, I'm going to just call it
if he don't think Am scataboy can do those type
of things. To your guy's point, he didn't wants to
tape at Arizona. Am Scataboo can run and short yardage
and not only Kenny, he's gonna do it and he's
gonna be successful at it. The guys got the right attitude.
And I don't care how tall it is. I hope

(32:10):
he's five five.

Speaker 6 (32:11):
Because you can't find those guys.

Speaker 4 (32:13):
You can't find those guys behind the line of scrimmage,
and before you know it, they're they're they're through the
hole and go.

Speaker 3 (32:20):
So, uh, you know, we ought to do we already
we ought to get that last caller back and ask
him if he'd like to substitute for the telephone polls
that Scatterboo used to run into, and then we'll let
him figure out if scataboos the power back or not.

Speaker 4 (32:35):
Yeah, that's exactly right.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
Thank you, David, appreciate it. Two one nine three nine
four five one three Jason and new Haven, you're next
on the program.

Speaker 6 (32:45):
Hello, what's up Fellers?

Speaker 7 (32:47):
Hi?

Speaker 2 (32:48):
What's up?

Speaker 6 (32:48):
Jason, Hey, good to see you man, Good to hear
from you guys. Yeah quick, I'll probably just make this
point quickly. I know you got the callers, but I'm
not gonna get into scot thing. I thought that was
a I don't want to say people's opinions are ridiculous,
but he was parked off with that appeon on Scataboo,
so we won't even go there. I wanted to talk about.

(33:11):
One of my points was the Jamis conversation. I don't
necessarily and I'm not saying you two are doing it
just in Giant Slam, social media, other you know, of
the shows. To me, I think jam Miss gets a
little bit too much hate. I hate to use the
word hate, quote unquote, but to me, it looked like

(33:33):
to me, he made a pretty good jump in his
second year. We already knew coming out of Minnesota he
was an undersized center who needed to work on his
power getting into the NFL. Right, so I thought he
looked good last year personally, and would you it's not
surprising that your center looked a little better when you're

(33:54):
not running. And there's no dispect to those guys. They
made it to NFL. They had talent, but it's so
surprised that he went from year one playing with Marcus
McKeithen and whoever where else was on the other guard
position is now playing with evets like running and Van Rowan.
And I know, Paul, you're not the big biggest PFF fan.

(34:15):
Maybe Matt you maybe you look more into the analytics.
But he made a twenty point improvement in his PFF
if I'm not if I'm looking at it correctly, he
made a twenty point improvement in his PFF grades last
year where his protection went from maybe below average to
adequate and his run block and went from maybe below
average to average. So sometimes you know, I said it

(34:36):
before and other calls with you guys, and I know
you guys know, sometimes it takes every player that comes
into the league is not going to be all pro
player off rip. Yeah, you have your abdul Carters, you
have Justin Jeffersons, you have your elite neighbors, you have
your Adrian Peterson's. The list goes on and on. Peyton Mannings,
they come out, they come out to college football and
they just hit.

Speaker 4 (34:57):
They hit.

Speaker 6 (34:57):
Even even Paying struggled his first year, but some of
these hit the four running, but that's not the norm.
You have to I just feel like everybody's say such
a rush to just dump on young players.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
It is year three, though, to be frank, okay, to
be frank, Jason. Here's the thing. It is year three,
and we all know that the mo O in the
NFL is that by your third year you really kind
of need to show what it is that you are.
There's a little bit of a grace period in year
one and two where you can show improvement, then you
can show some more improvement, but by the third season. Now,

(35:31):
in this third season, this is why he is a
show me player. Right now, he needs to show me.
He needs to show all these coaches that he can
take that next step and be a higher level quality
starter on a consistent basis. He isn't there yet. Let's
see what happens when he gets in games. I'm not

(35:52):
going to miss the guy. I'm simply saying, show me.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
Yeah, Jason, I'm glad you brought this up because I
feel like I said this I don't even know how
many times in the lead up to training camp that
last year. Yes, JMS was not as good as he
would say he would want it to be the coaches
anyone would have wanted to be. But he took a
step from his rookie year and it was a pretty
noticeable step up. It just he didn't get to the

(36:16):
level that any of us wanted him to get to,
but he made an improvement one thousand percent. And I
just want to remind fans because I know now it
seems like ancient history, but there's another offensive lineman that
is currently on this team who struggled pretty bad his
first year, then took a step in year two, but
it wasn't as big of a step as anyone would
have wanted, and then year three he wasn't all pro

(36:38):
and that is Andrew Thomas. I'm not saying JMS is
Andrew Thomas, but he had the same exact trajectory through
the first two years that we have seen from JMS,
a kind of bad rookie year, and they jumped in
year two, but not as big of a jump as
we needed. And now it's time for him to show
what he can do in year three. Year three, as
Paul mentioned, is a big year for offensive lineman to

(36:58):
show what they can do. This No one is gonna,
you know, lie and say that this is not a
big year for JMS, but he did take a step
in the right direction last year, and I do feel
like that is just everyone blows over that and like
disregards it when he did make an improvement.

Speaker 6 (37:14):
Okay, so I'm into the two point. I'm going to
ask two quick questions. I'll take the answers off the
ear if I'm saying, if I know the preseason isn't
done yet in training camp, let's say if Neil wins
in one of the dark positions. If first question is
do you see us the Giants team leaning more on

(37:36):
the run Allah twenty twenty two?

Speaker 3 (37:39):
Right?

Speaker 4 (37:40):
Do you see that?

Speaker 6 (37:40):
That's the first question just because of you know, apparently
over you know Wilson's career, he doesn't really attack over
the middle. He's more dumping and throwing some shots. Right,
So that's the first question. Do you see us relying
more on that running game? Second question is I know
you guys are not in the front office meetings, of course,
but man, I would really love to see if they
can work out on extension with Illumina or I thought

(38:03):
he played really really good last year. You play right
and I could play left tackle, he could play some cars,
the way he interacts with fans, even some of his
interactions on social media hilarre. He's always very positive about
the Giants, and he's a really good player. And I
think when Thomas a healthy to me, they're probably in
the topic salon of tackle duos if they're both healthy.

(38:24):
So would you guys be opposed to him? But I
know he's a little older now, but would you guys
be apposed if the money's right bringing him back? Because
it's hard to find decent NFL linemen, and I feel
like if you have one, even though all bit older,
they can play as most offensive linemen usually they can
play into their late thirties. We've seen some guys play
Damnitar close to forty. So those are my two questions,

(38:46):
and I don't take off the afellas.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
Thank you so much for the call. I think both
the second round.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
Well, both of us would love to see illumin or
get extended, but that's not our call. And my understanding
was when he signed the deal with the Giants, they
wanted to get him for an extra year and he
wanted the shorter term deal. And as far as I know,
I don't know this for sure. My understanding was that
he was gonna play through the contract and then see

(39:13):
what happened. So you need two parties to get an extension.
The team has to offer one and he's got to
want to sign it. My understanding was he was comfortable
with the duration of this deal because he'll be looking
for a new deal at some point. I don't know
that there are any talks going on right now.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
Yeah, it definitely takes two to tango. I would think
in a vacuum, yes, we would both be interested in extending.
Jermaine Illuminar, we don't control the budget. We don't control
the budget. We don't get any say in the matter
other than just voicing our opinions to you guys, especially
because you know, it's not like there is a right

(39:53):
tackle waiting in the wings that's the surefire thing that's
gonna take over. Like obviously, I think the hope is
that Mark because Bo could become one of the starting
tackles eventually. But he also has positional flexibility where he
can take reps and has taken reps at all five positions,
so he doesn't necessarily have to be the next right tackle.
He can end up being a guard or who knows

(40:15):
center you don't even know. But yes, in theory, it
would be great to extend Jermain for all the reasons
you mentioned. He's great personality wise, it seems like he's
a good locker room guy. He gets along with everyone.
He takes some jabs at the defensive alignment, but that's
nothing out of the ordinary from O line D line matchups.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
So yeah, it would it would be great to keep
him here beyond this year. But again, there's a lot
of factors that go into that decision. As for the
first question, I cannot imagine the game offensive game plan
changing that much whether it's Evan Neil or greg Van
Rodin at the starting right guard position. Evan Neil has

(40:57):
had more success in the run game in the past.
We have not seen him play guard in the NFL,
though we don't know he could his past protection could
take a huge step on the inside this year that
we just we don't know yet. It's he hasn't played
guard since twenty nineteen at Alabama, so it's a little
too early to say. But what I do know is
that the Giants' best player on offense by far and

(41:18):
away is my league neighbors I don't think when that
is your star player, you're gonna become a very run
heavy team and not get the ball to your best
player's hands as much as he can. Obviously, the hope
is that the Giants are winning in more games where
there will be a lot more run plays than we
saw last year. That's obviously the hope. But yeah, we

(41:41):
also hope that Evan Neil ends up winning the job because,
as we've mentioned, we feel like he probably has a
higher upside at right guard than GVR GVR. We saw
what he could do last year, very solid play. We
don't know what the ceiling is for Evan Neil at guard,
but either way, even if he does win that spot,
I can't imagine the offensive game plan changing that much

(42:04):
from whatever they are already planning going into the season.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
Strategically speaking, they need to run the ball more, and
I appreciate what Matt's saying, and I'm not saying I
disagree with him. I think there's a happy medium here.
The Giants need to run the ball more because they
hope to be in closer games where certainly they're tied
or leading, they hope to which makes you want to
run the ball more. But here's another reason for it.

(42:30):
Russell Wilson is not at a stage in his career
where he's going to be able to effectively drop back
thirty two times and win a game with his arm.
That's not what he is anymore. He's also not going
to drop back thirty two times, scramble and roll out
of the pocket seven or eight times, and throw fifty
yard bombs downfield to Tyler Lockett. That's not what he

(42:51):
is at this stage of his career. Okay, he's just
not that guy right now. He's really good, really good,
better than what the Giants have had, but he's not
at that elite level anymore where he can thrive in
a strongly pass heavy offensive attack. That is not what's

(43:13):
good for Russell Wilson. It's also not good for this
offensive line because it puts a lot more pressure on
them to be able to hold up. So they need
to run the ball more to have more balance, to
allow Wilson to then be more of a manager and
more of a play action quarterback, which we all know

(43:34):
he's one of the best play action quarterbacks in the league.
Just remember all those great years in Seattle. Who do
you have, beast mode running the ball. He is at
his best if you can effectively establish a run. So
do I think they're going to be throwing the ball
around willy nilly like a video game, despite Malik Nabors

(43:56):
being on this team.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
No, I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (43:59):
I think they're going to to want to be more
balanced because they know that that's better for the line
and it's better for Wilson. They need to be more balanced,
and if they're more competitive, all the more reason they
need to be more balanced. So I appreciate the point.
And in some degree, I still think they're gonna throw
the ball deeper because they're gonna want more explosive plays,

(44:21):
so you'll see more of that in the game. But
in terms of frequency, I still think they're better off
having In terms of balance, percentage to run pass, they
want that to be a lot closer in my mind.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
You know, Paul I never already said against that. The
caller said, are the Giants gonna be very run heavy?
I don't think they will be very run heavy. No,
that's what the caller said. I said, They're not gonna
just abandon or not throw the ball that often. With
Malik Nighbors as your best player one thousand percent. The
ideal offense would be a balanced offense that goes for
every team across the NFL, well most teams, most some

(44:55):
teams are most teams across the NFL. So I don't
want to make that I wasn't saying that they should
be throwing the ball, you know, sixty five percent of
the time. I don't think that at all it should
be very bad. I was just saying to the callers point,
I don't think that they will be very run heavy
if Evan Neil wins that starting guard spot.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
Yeah, I mean run heavy. Is the Baltimore Ravens they're heavy.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
The Chargers with Jim Harbough, they're run heavy.

Speaker 7 (45:19):
I don't think you're gonna see that, No, I don't
think you're gonna see, you know, Cincinnati Bengals level of
passing in this offense either, right, because that's Russell Wilson
is not Joe Burrow.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
No one's gonna confuse those two. But I will say
that if you look at Russell Wilson's stats the last
two years, which again they're not the All Pro Pro
Bowl Russell Wilson stats from ten years ago, but the
last two years he's averaged about if you combined it
to thirty past attempts a game, and his numbers were

(45:52):
were solid. They weren't amazing, but solid numbers. And that's
thirty drop backs a game.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
That's I think he's capable of because that's gotta be
his max. If the Giants are gonna win games. Well, yeah,
you don't want him throwing you know, averaging thirty five.
I said before thirty two. I don't want him throwing
the ball thirty two times. I know it sounds like
it's a mini school, but you got to keep that
number down. It should be in the high twenties.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
To be honest, in an ideal world, do you want
your offense to be completely balanced? Yeah, if you're the
Giants at least not doesn't go for every team across
the NFL. As you said, no, all.

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(47:35):
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(47:56):
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(48:17):
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Speaker 2 (48:20):
Yeah, so it's just a preview because we have the
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The video that was put out today is just a
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(48:45):
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(49:05):
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available right now on giants dot Com. Couple quick notes
from the YouTube. Paco the Great says, any updates on Scataboo.

(49:43):
He's got a sore leg and right now they're being
very very careful with him. They don't want to push him,
no sense, no sense in making any soreness worse right now.
First week of August.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
Yeah, there's no rush at all. They obviously want him
to be healthy come the regular season, which is the
most importan and so they are not going to rush
him back at all. Yeah. I mean, Dave's is not
the most forthgoing with injury information period, so we can't
really say for sure how long he's going to be
out for when he'll be back, But until Davil expresses

(50:15):
some extreme concern, I would say, just no reason to
get too concerned.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
Yet, we have a couple of more items here on
YouTube asking you about Scataboo's leg and wanting to know
how long he's going to be out. There's a report
out there apparently that the Giants have brought in a
running back and signed one for camp. Well, here's the thing, folks,
right now, Rashan Baker got hurt the other day.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
You were there.

Speaker 3 (50:42):
You saw when he went down. Yep, So he's hurt.
Scataboo is a bit gimpy. Well, do I need to
explain to you how many numbers the Giants have at
running back with those two guys not able to take reps?
Do you know how unfair it is to Tracy and
to Singletary and to Turbo Miller to say, guys, you

(51:07):
got to go out there and take all these reps
during training camp. That doesn't make sense. You've got to
get somebody else hurt. Nobody wants that. So this is
what's known as a if in fact, and I don't
know if if the team has confirmed any signing it.
But even Dable said today they were bringing in running backs.
They were going to be looking to sign a training
camp body because they need someone to take reps.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
That's it. Look, this would have happened if it was
any single position and they were going through the same
sort of injury situation. Like I know, because it's Skataboo
and he's already a very popular player.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
And remember Eric Gray's already hurt.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
Yes, Eric, there were three running backs at practice today
when they were dude it, When all the positions went
off to do their individual drills, I looked over at
the running backs and it was like kind of like
a sad site. It was only three of them. They
looked kind of lonely out there. So and Win did
yeah and winded. So again, this would have happened if
it was any position that was going through the same

(52:04):
sort of current injury situation that the running backs are
going going through at the moment. Just because you know
the reported signing of the running back that was brought in,
that does not necessarily mean that, you know, Scataboo is
going to be out for a long time. They need
bodies to get through each day of training camp. Because
as you just mentioned, Paul, you cannot ask three running

(52:26):
backs to take every single rep during training camp for
these two hour practices because those guys are gonna get hurt,
and then you're going to be left with zero running
backs where you and I are going to have to
be lining up in a running.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
Back and nobody wants to see that I was going
to sacrifice you. I wasn't me and Johnny Mack you
got it because I wasn't putting pants on to go
against next to Lawrence. That's not happening.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
Okay, that is not happening, all right.

Speaker 3 (52:52):
Jake Rock fifty six says, what are your thoughts on Dart? Jackson?
Dart has had a good camp. He had a great
spring and off season in mini camp, got to training
camp looking a little bit more like a rookie. But
he's had a good good camp as far as a
rookie quarterback goes. And he's taken a lot more second

(53:14):
team reps also as the days go on as well,
because I think the Giants understand this is the best
time to give him those opportunities. Once the season starts,
Winston's gonna get second team reps during the regular practices.
If you don't get those extra reps now he won't
get them.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
Yeah, I was gonna say that Jackson. The way I
would categorize jackson Darts training camp so far is it
has been an encouraging start to training camp for a
rookie quarterback, because I'm not gonna lie and say that
he's been perfect. He's made mistakes. He'd be the first
one to tell you that he's made some mistakes. He's
made some bad throws, some interceptions, some not great decisions,

(53:53):
but he's also made some fantastic plays, some impressive throws downfield,
short routes, intermediate. I mean the playoff was talking about
before where he literally leaped in the air falling side
arm throw for a first down. That was an amazing
athletic play. So it's he's at good plays, he's at
bad plays. That's what you expect from a rookie quarterback.
Not often does a rookie quarterback step into an NFL

(54:15):
training camp and just be lights out each and every
day like that. Just it doesn't happen for veteran quarterbacks,
let alone rookies. So it's been an encouraging start. He's
obviously still got a long ways to go. Luckily, Russell
Wilson and Jameis Winston and Tommy DeVito are all here
where he will not have to hopefully take the field
in a regular season game, hopefully for a long time.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
Man. And I might also add Tommy DeVito's had a
good camp too. Yeah, Tommy's look pretty play well, He's
played well. He seems to be the forgotten man of
the group, but he's still here and he's still making plays.
He's had a good offseason.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
He's not letting he's not letting the noise get to him,
clearly because he's still looking pretty good.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
Go watch if you get a chance. He did a
sit down with Phil Simms.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Yes, the the QB series.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
The QB series that Phil Simms is doing for the
Giants internet site. It's also part of the TV programs
that there every week. Really nice sit down with Phil
Simms and Tommy DeVito. You'll enjoy that very much. Papasutra says,
just saw the pass of Russell Wilson through the Molik
neighbors when he was stumbling but still caught it. Wilson
through a beautiful, pre anticipated pass. I love it absolutely.

(55:17):
Benjamin Carrasco says, I can't say how refreshing it is
to finally have the offense keep up with the defense.
It was always said the defense is always further ahead.
And then l dB and I don't know what that
stands for, but he says, so glad you're now on
YouTube means a you K listener for eight years can
now interact. I'm a big Shane and dable believer. Every

(55:39):
pick they've made, every pick they've made people have loved
at the time easy to criticize post pick. Well, I
think the internet is international. Couldn't he still have gotten
Giants dot Com and the show live that.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
Way in the Yes, but he wouldn't have been able,
he said, to interact, so to type this comment because
it's the live on YouTube, he can type this out right.
It would have been more difficult, I would imagine, and
being in UK to call in.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
Wellal hashtag giants chat on Twitter, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
That's true. I don't know how many people use that
anymore though, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
I don't know, but we're very glad that you like YouTube.
And we've been on YouTube line now live now for
a couple of months and it does seem that we
get an expansive audience by going through that route, and
we get a lot of different people. We get questions
on that every single show.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
Yeah, obviously we love and appreciate everyone that calls in
each day and we get to hear your voices. But
we appreciate and love these YouTube comments as well. It
helps keep the conversation going when the phone lines might
be empty, as they have been the last couple of minutes.
So it gives us some nice way to get to
more of you and hear for more of you. So yeah,

(56:51):
keep it coming with the YouTube comments.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
All right, So now again the schedule for the rest
of the week. Now, we're going to be here every
day at two o'clock like we are every week day forever. Okay, well,
I'm okay, show me where to sign up.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
I'm good with forever. I'll do that.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
But in any case, there is no practice tomorrow, but
we will have his show tomorrow two o'clock, and then
on Wednesday fully padded practice they go back to hitting.
That's more of a live practice again, so there'll be
a lot more to say after that. One Thursday's eight
carted practice where they have specific plays that they just
want to run through and it's not really as competitive

(57:31):
as the other sessions. And then on Friday, travel to
Buffalo for Saturday's preseason opener against the Bills. That of
course is at one pm Eastern Time and can be
seen locally here on WNBC Channel four in New York.
You'll be also able, I believe, to hear it on
the Odyssey app and the Giants dot com website and

(57:53):
the Giants app. And then also that game is going
to be televised live on NFL net Work, so if
you are out of the New York area, you don't
have to get blacked out.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
On this deal.

Speaker 3 (58:05):
You can watch the Giants in Buffalo on NFL Network
live at one o'clock on Saturday afternoon as well.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
That's our schedule, And while there may not be practice tomorrow,
there is media scheduled. So Coach Stable and a couple
of players were meeting with the media over zoom so
we will get, you know, some some content from the team.
It's not quite the same as getting to watch a
two hour of practice, but it's better than nothing. We'll
get to hear from coach, maybe you'll have some updates

(58:34):
on some on players that maybe did not practice today.
Who knows. Again, he's not always the most forthcoming with
injury updates to the media, so I wouldn't. I'd say,
don't hold your breath on that.

Speaker 3 (58:45):
I'm just glad he's not my doctor. You would have
it a possible time getting a diagnosis out of him.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
Yeah, again, not the most forthcoming at least, how am
I doing? At least publicly, You're doing better. You gotta
like you gotta like folks.

Speaker 3 (59:07):
Shut down the number two O one nine three four
five one three. We will be back tomorrow live two
pm Eastern Time with another edition of Big Blue Kickoff Live,
presented by Cadillac, the official luxury vehicle of the New
York Football Giants. So glad you could join us from
the Giants Podcast Studio, presented by Hack and Sack Meridian Health.

(59:28):
Keep getting better from matt On Paul. We'll see you
again next time. Everybody,