Big Blue Kickoff Live 9/11 | Keys Against Dallas

John Schmeelk and Jonathan Casillas talk about the keys to the game against the Dallas Cowboys, talk about the Giants run game, and take calls from fans.

0:00 - Keys against Dallas

13:00 - Cowboys defense

19:30 - Calls

32:00 - Abdul Carter

41:00 - The trenches

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Speaker 5 (00:26):
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getting Better. I'm Paul Latino sitting in momentarily for John Schmelk.
He's got a little errand he's got to take care
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(00:49):
champ is with me this afternoon as we can take
your calls at two O one nine three nine four
five one three for the next hour and talk New
York Giants football on The Giants were very vocal yesterday
on Wednesday as they began preparations for Dallas about the
twenty four hour rule, which we are all too familiar with.

(01:10):
We've all known about this thing forever, but it did
seem to me like the attitude of the players and
the coaches in the locker room was that they really
had flushed game number one, which of course is mandatory
because you have another divisional game on the road on Sunday,
and if you don't flush it, you got yourself a
big problem.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Yeah. Absolutely, I mean, especially the way the Giants lost.
You know, the Commander's team basically did what they want
at will. The thing is, though, it is in those
twenty four hours, you make sure you feel it. Yeah,
you make sure you feel it. You don't want to
feel that again, go over to plays, and then you
know the next day, as the team collectively watches it

(01:51):
makes the corrections. After that, it may be a little
longer than twenty four maybe it's thirty hours. Whenever you
finish the corrections and you move on to this week's upon,
which is Dallas, then it's gone and you don't you
don't sit in in no more. You don't think about
plays you could have made, should have made. Of course,
you make those mental corrections, but that's gone.

Speaker 6 (02:09):
You know.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
You don't let that carry over and let that game
beat you twice. You know, just like if you win big,
you don't. You can't win the next game off of
the previous game.

Speaker 5 (02:16):
That was Russell Wilson's point in particular.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Right, you know, so definitely get it out your system
as soon as they're done watching it, and they make
their corrections and then they move on. That's how the
NFL works, and you got to have that short term
type of memory.

Speaker 7 (02:27):
All right.

Speaker 5 (02:28):
I want to ask you about two particular players in
the Washington game and how what you saw will make
you feel better about them going forward, maybe as soon
as this game in Dallas. Number one Brian Burns, who
since he has stepped on campus here as a New
York Giant, has done nothing but impress me. And I
know we had two sacks and that looks nice in

(02:49):
the stat sheet, but I thought he actually played a
really strong game the other day, and I get the
sense from him he's really primed to have a career.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
Year, absolutely, you know, coming from Carolina. I don't know
how much he was getting the double teams, but when
I watched the film Dexter Lawrence got doubled every play.
I don't know how much the percentages was, but every
time I saw it, he was getting four hands on him.
So guys like Burns and Thibodeau and Carter and everybody
on the outside. It frees those guys up to have

(03:21):
one on ones. Nobody's free. Like when I say free,
nobody's you know, unblocked unless you do Carter on the
one botch play right, which is crazy. But but Burns
took advantage of all of those one on ones, and
he won almost every time he was one.

Speaker 5 (03:36):
He really did.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
He had a fantastic game. He was one of the
bright spots, if not the only bright spot to take
away from that first command.

Speaker 5 (03:43):
The best player of the Giants had on the field.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
Absolutely. And I always say, look, and I've just talked
to you, Sma Young about this player engagement. Former Super
Bowl champion of MEI in New Orleans. He's here with
the Giants. So we just had a conversation and I said,
Dexter was doubled almost every play, right, I said, but
we know that he knows that, and I am putting
a lot on Dexter. Dexter needs to windows every now
and again. It can't just be a stalemate because he's

(04:06):
that good to not even get pushed off the ball.
Now you've got a windows, and I am putting a
lot on him, I am.

Speaker 5 (04:12):
And he did not play during the preseason as they
ramped him back up after the elbow issue that he
had midway through last season. What scares me about that
Dexter Lawrence thing, Jonathan, is that I had read one
of the Mayo Clinic dissertations on elbow injuries, which of
course Dexter is coming back from, and they said it
could take as many as twelve months to really get

(04:34):
your full strength back and your motion back to be
exactly what you're supposed to be.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
So let's finish off on that.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
But he still demands the double team elbow one arm like,
no matter what it is, he's still demanding a double team.
And look, he's stale mating with two guys that are
combined seven.

Speaker 5 (04:52):
Hundred sent The Giants need more than a still making Yes, yes,
they need Dexter because Dexter he needs to dominate even
though they can't get to where they need to go.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
Yep, So let me get John back in here.

Speaker 5 (05:03):
He's done with his errand folks. We'll see again.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
Tomar, I'll Paul be ready. I might need you in
twenty more minutes, just to be ready. Really, I might
well say, yeah, so someone's out there fixing, trying to
fix my car windshields, so I should know it about
twenty thirty minutes if that was possible, and I will
have to run back out and either I'll get pulled
back in or Jasey can just take your calls on
his own and I'll roll do it and I'll roll
the dice and I'll see how that goes. I if

(05:27):
you talked to Wilson for twenty minutes, it'll be great.
So we do not have word. I do not believe yet.
On Andrew Thomas's practice status today. The plan was from
the practice today after not practicing yesterday. JC James Hunts,
I thought he was fine. I thought the interior line
was a bigger problem last week against Commanders. What was
your overall take generally speaking off of that game. I
just spent too much time on it. But just give
me a general take. Before we tendant the Dallas.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Generally both teams bad football. You know Week one football,
you know you saw it kind of from around the League.
You know, Commander's twelve penalties, a whole bunch of drops.
If the Commanders played more efficient ball, they would have
scored more points. The Giants didn't turn the ball over
and they still had six points.

Speaker 6 (06:05):
You know like that?

Speaker 2 (06:06):
Are these are things that I'm seeing and it's it's
inadequacies all along offensive line. It's not just like you
said the replacement of Andrew Thomas. The interior got beat
up pretty well. Commanders run great stunts. I mean there're
stunts were two man stunts, three man stunts, and it'll
be hard for any offensive line to deal with those
type of guys. I think you got to give them

(06:27):
a little bit of credit because I think the Commanders
they did represent the NFC, excuse me, they did playing
the NFC Championship game last year. I think they're a
pretty solid team. But the Giants offensive line, it looked
like the communication wasn't on the thing. Russell Wilson is
getting a lot of slack, but he didn't play as
bad as I think he could have played. He didn't

(06:48):
turn the ball over. I think I saw some Aaron throws,
but every quarterback play week when they had Aaron throw,
he every quarterback around the league.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
Wilson. Look, I agree with you. I don't think you
would classify him playing really well or anything like that.
But he kept the team afloat like he like he
He did not sink the team in the face of
a bad situation around him.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Giants had drops. The Giants had they didn't convert. You know,
they got themselves behind the sticks a lot. I think
they became a little predictable at times. But when it's
almost like a cascade of defenders in the backfield consistently,
you're trying to figure out what's going on.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
Run game too, by the way, not just the past.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
And and defensively, I saw a lot of guys out
of gaps, you know. I think it was a lot
of the younger DB's Shane Bowen, you know, second year
in the defense, but a lot of new pieces, you know,
Holland's new at Deebo's new new Ben's taking on, you know,
more of a you know, the starter, uh. And then
also Andrew Phillips. Those are guys I saw that was

(07:43):
out of position. They didn't really get bullied, but they
were out of position. That's why you saw so many
big runs.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
All right, I want to hit a couple of what
I think is the key matchups here against Dallas. Paul
and Matt will do their full priview tomorrow and then
we will take your calls at two one, nine, three, nine,
four five one three. All right, j C. First thing
for me, do you want to go Giants offense versus
are Giants defense first? All right, Well, let's go Giants
defense first, because I think that's the bigger challenge in
this game in terms of what Dallas is bringing to

(08:08):
the table in terms of playmakers. How do you cover
Ceedee Lamb and George Pickens? Right, it's very easy last
year to say we're gonna throw two guys at Ceedee
Lamb and let somebody else beat you. Well, now, you
don't want George Pickens isolated one on one, especially against
the Cordell Flodd who's not the biggest guy, and Pickens
can play bully ball down the field that can kill you. Okay, Well,
then do you put a debo on Pickens one on

(08:29):
one and then double Lamb with Flad and somebody else.
Maybe you can do that, But then you got Ferguson
running the seam down in the middle of the field.
I thought Dak was great in Week one against Philly.
He's not got any help with from his teammates dropping
passes like Ceedee Lamb. I would expect Ceede Lamb to
play a much better game this week. So that to
me is questioned them room for this Giants defense? How
do they handle those two Cowboys wide receivers who are

(08:50):
both really number ones from a talent perspective.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
On paper? Simple fix cover two on paper? On paper,
just say, hey, we've wrote Cover two. We have two
corners rolled up with two safeties over top. Okay, cool,
Now you got a seven man front versus the run.
Sometimes six man front, depending on how you're doing your
middle linebacker he might be a little higher. Right, Sure,
So if the Giants can run Cover two with the
four man front and stop the run, they would have
some success. Because let's be real about this. Ceedee Lamb

(09:15):
has done very well against the Giants, let alone in
the league. Right, He's done very well against the Giants.
The pickens is. I think he's a very good receiver.
Whenever he's going, he's top five guy. You know, he
can make all the catches, deep threat down the field.
But my thing is about the Cowboys philosophy. And I
don't know if it was because Jalen Carter was out,
but they ran the ball right down the Eagles throw

(09:36):
and by the way, yes, very well, especially early in
the game before the lightning stoppage.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
They were moving the ball at will, you know. And
then towards the end of the game they put themselves
in situation to win the game multiple times. The only
thing that stopped them was the drops.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
And by the way, a lot of like gap scheme
power stuff. They were polling guys. They had double lead
blockers on a couple of plays. It was a lot
with McCarthy, it was a ton of his own stuff,
zone blocking stuff. I thought it was a much more
very run scheme this week with Sean Heimer in a.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Physical approach, I agree, you know, and look, I think
the Giants defensive line can do certain things against that.
But what I saw from the Commanders last week, the
Commanders game last week, it wasn't really the defensive line.
It was more of the guys on the outside right.
A lot of these run plays that that they wind
back or they hit outside, they're designed to go out there.

(10:22):
They're designed to get the linebackers up they're designed to
get somebody up and they're one on one with the
defensive back. Right. And I said this before and BBK,
I've said this before on pregame post game. It can't
just be one guy. I'm sorry, Pulsing the Deva. I
don't expect you to make a tackle against these running
backs in the league.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
Yeah, Javonta Williams is a big fella.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
Yeah, And it's the thought process behind. I think what
they're trying to do with the Cowboys. I think they're
trying to run the ball and establish that physical presence
up front. So then you got to you gotta stop,
you know, put guys in the box to stop them,
and then of course go to the outside with those
talented receivers.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
Yeah, no question, I agree with you. And then the
Cowboy offensive line you mentioned very physical in the run game.
I do think if you can get them into third
and longs, I think you should be able to attack
them a little bit with quickness and speed. In terms
of a pass rush. Tyler Guidan still a young left tackle.
Terren Steel is fine, He's not a world beater at
right tackle. You know, Booker's a rookie, So I think

(11:17):
you can get after them with a speed movement based
pass rush. But you got to get there.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Yeah, you gotta get there. Yeah, I get a lead.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
Maybe an offense. What he'll do.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
The defensive front has to help the secondary, you know.
And I'm not taking anything away from Holland or a debo,
but they are new guys in the system, right, They
are new guys adding to the system. It does take
a while for you to understand all the ins and
outs and nuances of a defense. The d line can
help them out with that. Get into the quarterback having
you know, Dak getting off his spot, hav him rush

(11:46):
his passes or also and this kind of goes against
what I'm trying to say, but making him hold the
ball a little bit longer, you know, on those four
pass rush situations, like let's say, if they've run and
cover two, there's only four guys come after you, some guy.
Sometimes quarterbacks think they have a false sense of security
and they think they have time. But if you can

(12:07):
win those one on one battles like we talked about earlier,
because Dexa Lawrence is going to demand a double team
Burns Thibodeau, Carter, the guys on the outside they have
to be able to get to the spot a lot
earlier then letting Dak just sit back there for three
four seconds. Because Dak's a good quarterback, you know, Like,
there's no question. I played for the Giants. I hate
the Cowboys, right, I hate the Eagles, but I gotta

(12:29):
give respect, right, I played against Dak as a rookie.
He was good as a rookie.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
Now, the last time the Giants beat Dak Prescott by
the way in twenty sixteen.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
And he is a solid quarterback, you know when he's healthy.
And the Cowboys always have a pretty good offensive line,
like throughout history, and they have a solid run game,
even though that's kind of got away from them. When
they put it in Dak's hands the last like five
or six years, Dak has delivered. So let's not question
that Dak is a pretty good quarterback. And if you

(12:59):
allow him to sit back there, he will pick the
Giants part.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
I agree, all right, that's the offensive side of the ball.
Let's go to the defensive side of the ball. Matt
Eberfluss is the new defensive coordinator. He was with Dallas
then he became a head coach of the Bears, obviously
it was the DC with the Colts in between those
two spots, And there was an interesting stat I found.
He played some type of zone defense against the Eagles
on every single snap last week. He did not throw

(13:22):
out man to man defense once. Now I understand why
Jaywen hurts running quarterback Devonte Smith AJ Brown outside. So
I get why Now Deron Bland, who you could argue
as Trayvon Diggs, slowly makes his way back from a
second knee injury, and he only played twenty six naps
last week. I expect him to play a lot more
this week. Deron Bland might be their best corner. Well,
he's in a walking boat. He's probably not gonna play

(13:44):
this week, and they're gonna roll out their second string
slot corner. I think his last name is Stuart. I
had never heard of him before. I don't know who
he is. You know how much work I do in
the draft. I'm pretty familiar with most of the players
in the league. I don't know who that guy is. Yea,
I have not watched them. I don't know anything about him.
I need to work on him the next couple of
days to be ready for the pregame show. You should

(14:06):
be able to attack this Cowboys secondary if again, you
can protect up front. So that is a weakness. The
Cowboys do not have an elite pass rusher. Then again,
now that did the Commanders last week. They stole trouble
with those guys. So this defense to me much more
fundamentally sound than what we've seen before. I thought they
were in their gaps and their front was pretty steady

(14:26):
against Saquon Barkley and the Eagles. I thought they were
pretty solid there. But man, their secondary is banged up.
I think you can get after it a little bit again,
as long as you can win up front against these guys.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
Yeah, absolutely, you know, I think one of the first
takeaways I took from the game last week that the
Giants played was upfront on both sides of the football,
you know, them being able to establish the line of
scrimmage when they had the ball and the Commanders, and
I think that's the same approach that the Eagles going
to do. But when when you talk about the Giants,

(14:57):
the Giants are known for a great defense and being
able to to run the football right. The Giants had
to figure out how to get back to that, you know,
because that's on some real stuff when you're trying to
figure out is our online going to be able to
protect the quarterback? Can we get the ball down the field?
It usually helps when you can run the football when
you want to run the football.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
And look, Russell Wilson was in broad here to throw
it forty five times and gable to carry the never
been like that either, even when he was at his
best in Seattle. He never was like that, you know.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
And I do think that he did good with his
legs last week and creating some extra time, you know,
getting some first downs down the field, converting some some
I think in opportunity positions when the Giants got behind
the sticks. But then they need to be more rhythmic.
They need to start with some big plays. They need
to run their first fifteen. They need to get big
plays early to get this thing going. You know, you

(15:43):
can't have the Cowboys sitting Let's say they are sitting
in some type of zone situation. They can still put
a lot of guys in the box and do something
against it.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
You could play cover three and have an eight man box,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
You can do things even though they're playing zone. You
can do things to stop the run, make them do
that them put that extra guy in the box to
stop the run, so you aw them things from on
the outside to happen.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
So you can't put two guys on neighbors, right, It
makes a lot easier to put a guy over the
top on neighbors if you have to put an extra
guy if they're against the run. And look last week,
JC Tyrone Chase ten rushes twenty four yards, Devin Signatory
three rushes nine yards, Camscattabuo two rushes negative three yards,
fifteen carries for thirty one yards from the Giants running backs.
It's not good enough. It has to be better.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
It has to be better. And look, you can help
the running backs out by not giving them all run
plays to get a touch, check downs, work, screens, work,
you know, using them in different ways to get them
the football. I think the backs are talented, you know.
I think Devin Secretary is one of the most underrated
guys and he's possibly RB three here on this team.

(16:46):
I like the way Cam Scattabu looked on the one
catch that he had. He looked violent in that.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
One play, bouncing off guys for three yard games like
a pickball.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
But let's get those guys the ball. You know, I
love Molik Neighbors just like everybody else does. Wandelle Robinson
had a great game. I like how they tried to
get him the ball and feature him pretty early in
this offense. I would like to see Jalen Hyatt make
a you know, an appearance for the Giants because he
I think creates some problems on the outside, but the
Giants number one thing they have to be able to protect.

(17:16):
I think Dallas will sit back and coverage. I don't
think they will bitch blitz, especially when they watched this film,
when they watched the film from last week.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
Yeah, the Commanders didn't blitz lot last week either. They
just got home with four the Cowboys. I don't think
run traditionally with Matti berflues as much twist and stunts
as the Commanders will with Dan Quinn. But look, you
can get after the edge rushers. I think of Dallas.
You know, no Michael Parsons out there.

Speaker 6 (17:41):
You have.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
Devi Donovan as rocket, the rookie, you have Marshawn Neal
and the second year player Dante Foller is more of
a pass rusher to me, not somebody that stops to run.
And then you have Sam Williams, who's a thirty year player,
missed all last year with kne injury. So I think
those are all the things you kind of, you know,
keep an eye on there and you just try to
figure out exactly what's going on. I think you could

(18:05):
attack those edges. And this is odd for KA Dallas
their defensive tackles right now. I think of their best
players Kenny Clark, and also think they're their best players
up front now. So I'm almost thinking more trying to
get to the perimeter a little bit. Trevon Diggs has
never been somebody that wants to tackle a lot at cornerback. Yeah,
so I would go after the go after like off
tackle runs Penn Poles. I would get after the perimeter
a little bit. If I was putting this.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
I fully agree with you. You know, people they're talking
about Kenny Clark like he's not a good player and
old Michael Parsons trade. Kenny Clark's a good player. He's
been a good players he's been in the league, and
he came and he showed it last week against the Eagles.
On Week one for Dallas, the Giants got to be
versatile offense right number one. Of course, he's going to
keep coming back to this any point I make. You
got to protect the quarterback. You've got to have good

(18:48):
offensive line play. I don't want to hear the shoost
that you know he's not playing Andrew Thomas. I'm sorry,
it's been three years. Let's figure out how to win
without this guy on the football field. You know, like
he has a very serious injury, that Liz Frank Who
knows exactly when he'll come back. Who knows when he'll
be back to himself, even if he's back. You got
to be able to figure that out without him on

(19:10):
the field. I think you have to get versatile on offense.
You can't be predictable. Get the ball on the outside
and then every now and again, run that ball right
down the middle. You know, to keep everything honest. You
got to be able to take shots. And that all
being said, you have to be able to protect the quarterback.
It all starts up front. The offensive line must play better,
especially in this division.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
To A one nine three nine four five one three
two A one nine three nine four five one three Pierson,
I'll have the call sheet up. Who's first up here?
On the line right now. Who do we got. We've
got Jason and Newha. Let's go to Jason and new
IV and Jason.

Speaker 6 (19:39):
What's going on?

Speaker 3 (19:42):
Did we just lose Jason there?

Speaker 2 (19:44):
Jason banged on it.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
I just went to you, Jason, all right? Pierson, who's
up next?

Speaker 2 (19:47):
We got Marcus in California?

Speaker 5 (19:48):
Marcus?

Speaker 3 (19:49):
What's up?

Speaker 6 (19:49):
Pal?

Speaker 3 (19:49):
How are you hey?

Speaker 6 (19:51):
Guys? How you doing? I'm great, Jacy, thank you for
all the times he's made me cheer. Brother. Appreciate treciate
that Marcus, especially that fourth of one against Washington on
the goal line. Anyways, man, I'm so disappointed. I normally
don't call during the season, but this is like getting hard.
I tried to call last week, thinking that we needed

(20:13):
to make like one move maybe at like tight end
another wide receiver lineman like Brandon Sheriff for something. But
it's just becoming unwatchable. Guys, Like, what are we supposed
to do? How like how hard is it to like
offer the Eagles offensive line coach oc job and pay

(20:35):
him like millions more dollars than he's ever seen a
year to come in and six hour O line Like
it's bad man, And I think Russ is a little
too short to be throwing over the field. I like him.
I want everybody on our team to be superstars and succeed.
And I know you can't put Jackson Dart in without
Andrew Thomas and you can't like it's just what are

(20:58):
we supposed to do? Man, Hard, I hear you.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
Hey, look, Marcus Russ. Russ needs help, the same when
we talked last year, Daniel Jones needs help. These are
not quarter By the way, when Jackson Dart finally plays,
he's a rookie. Jackson Dart is going to need help.
This is not Josh Allen, This is not Lamar Jackson.
This is not Patrick Mahomes. Where these guys can go
just manufacture things on their own. It's not going to work.

(21:26):
You need a run game, you need protection. If those
things are not there, the quarterback's going to struggle. It's
impacted by what's going on around him. And it's frustrating
because we've seen this now for a number of years.
But it's week one. Weird things happen in Week one.
Teams make huge jumps, and Jason, I want you to
talk about this a little bit. Teams can make huge
jumps from week one to week two in a season,

(21:48):
and I would expect we're going to see something like
that this week.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
And Marcus, what I want to see from this team
and what I think they need to show. They need
to show that they can respond, you know, And of
course it's from week one to week two, but I'm
also talking about during the game. You know, when the defense,
the defense for the other team makes a play and
then the Giants defense runs out there, they have to
respond to what that defense just did. And that's what

(22:12):
I don't think we've seen. You know, we haven't seen
that really in the last couple of years, and we
didn't really see that last Sunday. But the Giants have
to be in that type of mindset, you know, because
you're gonna not play well all the time. Right, You're
gonna make mistakes, you're gonna throw interceptions, you're gonna allow
us sack, you're gonna miss a tackle. How do you
respond to that?

Speaker 6 (22:32):
You know?

Speaker 2 (22:33):
So I'm looking at this team and saying, like, all right, guys,
got another game in the division on the road against
I think a really talented team, especially offensively in Dallas.
How do you respond to this team? Right? They were
one catchaway lake drop pass away from beating the defending
champions in Week one. I think Cowboys can't You can't
look past them. They're a good team, forget all that

(22:54):
they're in the division.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
And by the way, they're desperate. They're owing one too.

Speaker 6 (22:57):
Yes, my big thing is to is that I don't
ever feel when I'm watching Giants play Division games like
they don't hate the Eagles, they don't hate Dallas.

Speaker 8 (23:08):
They no.

Speaker 6 (23:10):
I don't think these people have been here long enough
that we keep recycling players. I think Decks hates them.
I think Thomas hates them, but Russ don't play them
like nobody.

Speaker 4 (23:21):
I don't see it.

Speaker 6 (23:22):
I don't see like the intensity of these are our rivals.
I want to impose my will on you. It just
seems like they roll over and show their bellies. And
it's just my opinion, man. And I want my team
like I want everybody to do good. I don't want
Dave ballfires. I actually like Joe Shane like I like it.

(23:44):
I like our team. I don't want Camp Scatibo hitting
everybody head first every time you see somebody, but I do.
I love cam Skatabo like I love this team. I
just want to see it, man, that's all. And I'm
sorry I don't call it during the season because you're fine.
I like to write the emotional roller coaster though, so

(24:05):
it's a.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
Good appreciate the call.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
Don't be a strange You're like a win to be
on sometimes that emotional roller coaster because it feels good
that way more up right, Right, We've been on a
lot of motions roller coasters and have walked out of here.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
I will say that I think it's fair to say
there's so many new players here that they probably don't
have a feel for what these rivalries are like yet.
I think that's a fair point. But that doesn't mean
you're to quote him you're rolling over and showing your belt.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
Yeah, I don't think that's happening.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
No, that's not it.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
I do think And we've spoke about this. I know
I spoke about it last year. How you know, Dallas
beat them and forgot who they lost to the Steelers,
and people were the team, the defensive guys on the
team were calling the team soft. They were like, oh,
you know, soft, blah blah blah. And then they kind
of took it back and then they lost to Dallas.
And they weren't as mad losing the Dallas again, for

(24:55):
I don't know how many times they lost to Dallas.
So I do hear the point like there should be
bit more emphasis on division games because they do matter
a little bit more.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
I think going into this year, the guys understand first
two games in the division, Look, you gotta win one
of them. And look, I looked at these first two
games as a package. Right, Yeah, you lose week one,
all right, If you can come back and beat Dallas
in their building in week two, I'm fine, I'm good.
I think everyone would be.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Good division and you split take one of them, take
one of them.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
The problem is that you can't be oh and two
with Patrick Mahomes staring in a face in week three.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
And because they might be and two, they could because
they played the Eagles this weekend. Uh huh, and they look.
I don't care what you think about the Chief because
you know, once once you win in people people start
hating that team. They're good, and they're always good. Of
course they are elite, and Andy Reid eas elite.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
And Chris Jones is elite and Steve Spagnolo is elite.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
But that don't mean they can beat the Eagles, well,
I mean they can play. They could be to coming
into MetLife Stadium looking to tear.

Speaker 3 (25:55):
Us a new one, which which given the Giants luck
over the past few years, that that be exactly what
will happen?

Speaker 2 (26:02):
Oh man, listen, it's a lot of football left, you know.
The two takeaways I got number one, Brian Burns the
beast from week one, right number.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
Two, I think he was the best.

Speaker 6 (26:14):
Was great.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
It's only week one, you know, and you can get
on a run. I've seen teams do it. I was
a part of the Patriot team, even though I wasn't
there in the early part of the season where they
lost the first two games. This season, they called Tom
Brady watched we won a Super Bowl that year, and
they rolled on two more Super Bowls and he won
another one. So like, you can turn it around.

Speaker 6 (26:33):
You know.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
It's week one, you know. So I don't want to
get too panicky, but there were some signs that the
Giants need to fix. If not, this is gonna be
another season like last season where the Giants were Besides
that forty five point out for the Giants with the
lowest scoring team in the league.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
All right, let's go to Jason and new Avan. He's
back with us, Jason. What's up.

Speaker 9 (26:54):
How you guys are going?

Speaker 3 (26:55):
We're good?

Speaker 6 (26:56):
What up? Jason?

Speaker 10 (26:57):
That was a boss's taking my cool?

Speaker 4 (27:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (27:02):
Yeah, I'm looking forward to see how they respond this week.
I had them winning last week, and you know it
just even when we're down, we're down fourteen six going
into the fourth, I'm not mistaken, yep. It just never
it seemed like we were down thirty at that point.
It just just everything just fell off.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
Well it was off. You just didn't feel like you
could put the ball in the end zone.

Speaker 10 (27:28):
Yeah, right right. And to me to play the what
kind of sealed it for me? And then I'm moving
to Dallas because you know that was last week was
we had seven attempts at the goal line in the
first quarter and to come away with three. Watching the
game was just very deflating. Of course it was you
could blame you could blame the quarterbacks, the running back,
the whole line, but none of it was good. So

(27:50):
I'll just leave it last week at that. As far
as this week, I agree with you, John, this is
a big game, man, Like we can't go down to
in the division first two weeks to the sea and
like that to me would be you know, I don't
want to say the end of a season because you
still have fifteen weeks, but man, go down O two
again in the division which we've struggled to be our

(28:12):
division opponents for some reason, whether it be the roster,
the coaching, to me, it'd be a hard blow. It'd
be hard pill to swallow to see that. So I
hope these guys come out with fire in their here
in their belly. And you know, hearing Malik yesterday talk
about how disgusted he was looking at the film, that's

(28:33):
what I want to hear from the players A discussed
you know that I feel Jonathan you had when you
was with the Giants with that roster. You know, you
guys took a lot of pride. I'm not saying these
guys don't have pride. I'm not in the locker room,
and I would never disrespect the pro athlete because that's
not my place. They made it to the league for
a reason because they have talent. But that's why I
want to hear from our star players discussed angry I

(28:56):
had to turn it off. That's what I want to
hear because you know, Dallas is going to be wanted
to go. They're gonna want to win at home. You know,
they lost a tough one in Philly last week, so
you got to expect you're gonna get the one hundred
and ten percent. So you got to come with one
hundred and fifteen percent if you want to beat them.
So what do you guys, What do you guys think
of the key? I'll take it off there, but what
do you guys think of the keys?

Speaker 6 (29:16):
To me?

Speaker 10 (29:17):
The old interior old line last week was just subpar.
I mean, yeah, I know Washington made some upgrades, they
have some you know, some good NFL players, but just
seeing our interior old line, old line period just get
dominated like that, it was just you know, you don't
want to see that.

Speaker 6 (29:32):
Man.

Speaker 10 (29:32):
Yeah, you're gonna lose some reps. You know, you're playing
other NFL players, but you just as a whole, you
don't want to get dominated all game long. And I
just felt watching the game last week. You know, people
will you know, you know, they'll jump on Russ, you know,
but I mean it was some times I'm watching a game,
some reps and by the time you get a second
or third foot, you know planted to throw pass. Yeah,

(29:55):
de tackle in his face, you have the edge in
his face, like you just can't win that way. And
I just feel like we've been saying this over and
over for the last few years. So what do you
guys think of the keys? I think it's controlling the clock,
keeping the ball out of Dak's hands, and on like
you said, John, on defense. You know, their old line
played very well last year. Last week in my opinion,

(30:16):
Dallas they have a young old line, but they you know,
they looked pretty good in my opinion running the ball.
There was some big boys on that Dallas old line,
especially with Javonte Williams and how he runs hard. So
what do you guys think of the Keys? And I
appreciate you guys taking my call, Thank.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
You, thank you. Bro Schmolke just had a step aside
real quick. But I think, look, when I look at
this team coming in, I think the points that need
to be made on offense right number one, you got
to be able to protect the quarterback. That's number one.
Be Able to protect the quarterback, be able to establish
the run game so you don't get into one dimensional
game and strike early. I think they need to take

(30:52):
some risk, meaning get the ball down the field. When
you're running the football and you are forcing the defense
to play into your hands to be able to stop,
then that opens up things. Of course, it's a lot
easier said than done, but I think that's the recipe
on offense that the Giants have to have. Number One,
the offensive line has to play better and be able
to establish the run and then take shots down the field. Now, defensively,

(31:13):
when I saw last week watching the game against the Commanders,
I think up front the defensively, I think the Giants
were pretty solid. You know, dex L Lawrence getting double
teamed every game, not so much you can do. And
I felt like Burns, Tableteau du Card, other guys on
the outside they actually played. They had a pretty good game.
But I think the guys on the back end, they

(31:34):
have to be a little bit more technically sound, the
same in terms of gap integrity. Right, you saw that
play that the Commanders had late in the fourth quarter.
Now because somebody ran down somebody's back, the touchdown was
the same type of situation. Two guys in the hole,
which is not good on defense, and then let the
defensive line eat. You know, I think having great gap integrity,

(31:54):
got to handle the run game. And then when they
get in a situation where it's second and long or
third along and they have to pass past the football,
the Giants got to be able to win those one
on one because they will be there because dex are
going to get doubled again. This is a division game,
and they know better not to leave dexter.

Speaker 6 (32:08):
One on one.

Speaker 5 (32:09):
Uh yeah, I think everybody goes into a Giants game
knowing you don't want to do that.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
The caller acts, what was the points or what was
the points of victory the key points key points of
victory for the Giants this weekend? Yes, yeah, that's what
he was asking. Okay, I answered. I said the offensive
line number one, being able to run the ball and
taking shots early and defensively. I said gap integrity because
I saw some big runs and runs and then and

(32:36):
then letting the Dylan eat.

Speaker 5 (32:37):
Yeah, that's what hey. I wanted to actually finish up
my points from earlier when we did open the show
and we're playing Don Strock. You remember the Stock and
Woodley were the rotating quarterbacks for the Dolphins the one
year they went to the Super Bowl for Don Sula
we're playing the Don Strock right here between me and
schmel So. I wanted to go back to my original
point when I would ask you about Brian Burns, and

(32:57):
then we got lost talking about Dexter. Laura's just a
little bit. I think the other player that I wanted
to ask you about, and this is very specific to you,
being a linebacker and a special teams guru, Abdul Carter.
Not only did he play well, I thought on defense,
citing the last two plays of the first half when

(33:19):
he stopped a big game from becoming more than that,
and then on the ensuing play with his pass rush
forced the throwaway by Daniels, which then resulted in a
ten second runoff, which meant that the Commanders could not
get any points out of that last second drive. Two
huge back to back plays by Carter. He did have

(33:39):
half a sack. And then let's talk about the punt block.
He had a chance at three, he almost got two,
but then got the one in the middle and unfortunately
it's still resulted in a thirty one yard punt. I
wonder how much admiration you have for a kid like
that who comes right into the league, and I know
he was a third overall pick. Some of those guys

(34:03):
may not be too anxious to play special teams. But
what we just heard from Michael goldbrie All, the special
teams coordinator.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
Is that Carter studied his butt off on.

Speaker 5 (34:15):
Special teams because he wants to be detailed and great
at everything he does, and busted his butt to learn
the punt block so that he could be impactful in
the game.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
That's huge, you know, like seeing him on special team
put the smile on my face. You know, I'm a
special teams guy being undrafted. You know, he he's gonna
look at anybody on a punt punt team that's who.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
He's going to get.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
He's punt returning, he's going to gaint. He's looking at
them as food. He's looking at them like, y'all better
double team me, because there's no way this tight end,
this linebacker, this running back, backup tight end, backup safety
is gonna block me one on one. It's literally impossible.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
The personal protector wants no no part.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
Of that, so he will cause how have on punt return,
just like he will cause it when he's out there
with that defense man. You know me and I mean
Johnson talked about this. Dexter was double teamed every play,
you know, and having a duke Carter, Burns and Thibodeaux
out there at the same time as Dexa Lawrence. I
think that is in our advantage in New York Giants

(35:19):
advantage every time. The thing is, it didn't happen a
lot the first game. No, hopefully Shane could look at
Joe sh Shane Bowen, Shane Bowen. Yeah, Shane Bowen can
look at this and say, all right, we need to
get these guys out there at the same time because
they will create have it when they're out there at
the same time.

Speaker 5 (35:35):
Well, to be fair, right, Shane Bowen and Michael Gobriel
Will both asked about the usage of Carter in the
first game, and they were very careful to say, hey,
you know what, Yes, our position coaches are taking counts
of the snaps. Yeah right, and they're going to work
him in and give him more and more each week.

Speaker 8 (35:53):
This was only game one.

Speaker 5 (35:54):
Yeah, you know, so you didn't expect him or if
you did, I'm sorry, but if you expect me to
play sixty five snaps plus specialty.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
You were you were sadly mistaken.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
That's a lot. That's a lot. And then also let's
say this for some guys out there saying like why
why is he playing special teams? Well, because he could
change the game with one play, just like he almost
did one play, So it's like you can't You should
probably leave them out there. But at the same time,
I think just making sure as the ebb and flow
of the game goes, it's it's it's not I'm not

(36:27):
saying you don't look look at analytics, but sometimes you
got to put the analytics down and then be it,
like you gotta have a judgment call. Should we put
those guys out there? And I'm talking about all of
those guys Dexa Lawrence. When dex Lawrence is not in
the field, like, it's an issue sometimes for the Giants,
especially when other teams noticed that and they want to
run the ball up the middle. When Dexa Lawrence in
the game, they don't really run up the middle, even

(36:48):
if they got a Hall team, because he still ends
up making the play somehow, some way he affects the play.
They like to run outside, attack the outside. But like
I said, analytics is great, but you have to figure
out the ebb and flow of the game sometimes put
those numbers down and then go out there off of feel,
And I think you have to feel that those guys
need to be out there a little bit more.

Speaker 5 (37:08):
Are you sure you didn't talk to Gobriel? My guy
just did a half hour ago, because he said that
exact same thing. He said. As far as using Carter
on specials, it's strategy some but also feel because he
can change the course of a game with one play.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
Yeah, like he you might not want to put him
out there like every single punt return.

Speaker 5 (37:28):
Right, he said.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
He didn't say if we got to do it, but like,
but you would out there because there's no one that's
not a left tackle in the league or not a
starting lineman in the league that can black.

Speaker 5 (37:39):
He also mentioned that guys like Miles Garrett and even
Ryan Burns here will occasionally play specialty.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
Yeah, why not. I'm gonna let John back in here.

Speaker 5 (37:46):
Is your wit chield done?

Speaker 4 (37:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (37:47):
Good?

Speaker 2 (37:47):
Nice?

Speaker 3 (37:48):
All right? So please tell me, Oh, they didn't take them.
I was telling off that's how I came back. That
was like the timer was perfect. I thought they were
gonna take Tarli and pulling name before I came back
with it. All right, try we'll get to you in
a second. But Maurice and Montclair, glad you got your drink?

(38:10):
Zeroo where it is? It's could have a recent Montclair.
But Reice, what's going on?

Speaker 6 (38:16):
Man?

Speaker 3 (38:16):
I were you?

Speaker 8 (38:17):
Hey, I'm doing pretty good, peeling pretty good.

Speaker 10 (38:19):
Good afternoon, good afternoon.

Speaker 8 (38:21):
Well I'm doing good. Just a few things, and then
I want to just give some some observations that I got, John, Like,
at any point can you can you let me know
or let us know rather the like the height of
the guys in the NFC East and the height and
weight of the guys in the nc East that plays
on the offensive line. I only act because, yeah, we've

(38:44):
been looking pathetics for like a long time, and it
was just the same old thing when we watched it
on Sunday, And it just seems like when I look
at the Giants, it's like when I look at our
offense deploy itself, and then we go out there and
I look at the other teams D line or whoever
they got, we we just look weak, bro, and then
we play week and then it's just disgusting after that,

(39:05):
and so like teams just look bigger and more opposing
and more like they look like football, like real deal,
legitimate football guys. Like and we go out there, we
all look like we look alike because we got the
same jerseys on, but like we don't look like a unit.

Speaker 7 (39:21):
We just look weak.

Speaker 6 (39:22):
So like it do.

Speaker 4 (39:23):
And my point is, like, do teams I know they
do this.

Speaker 8 (39:26):
I believe they do this. They go and want to fine,
like yeah, we want a big old line, like we
want to get guys that's like that's tall and this
and that and the third, but like just give me
like just like some of the heights and weights of
maybe one or two teams in the NFC East and
perhaps like our guys. And then a few observations I got,

(39:47):
like I know all of these kids. All of these
kids play college football. We play at Dallas this week.
I don't know. I'm not in the building obviously, I
don't know what's being preached, but like, can we get
these kids going or these young men going in terms
of like in a meeting, like, guys, this team has
beat us X amount of times out of these many years,

(40:11):
and really get that gear going, like yo, So when
we hit the field, I coach flag kids, and it's
like you gotta talk to these kids and be like
yo and get them going. It's just like we've lost
so much of our identity and so much of our flavor.
It's like ridiculous, Like so like John Yon thing to
see us if you could, you know, speak on that,

(40:33):
Like do coaches emphasize the importance of these matches, Like
be real with these guys, these grown men, like yo, fellas,
we look like trash. This is what they saying about it.
If we don't got no pride in what we're doing
and we just want to look like clowns all the time.

Speaker 4 (40:48):
It's disgusting.

Speaker 8 (40:49):
Nobody want to keep watching this stuff. Bruh, Like they're
killing Giants fans. They're not producing no younger fans because
nobody wants to root for and who can buy into
a team that it just sucks. Like we got a
ton of new fans because of certain players like Odell
and Barkley. But like, I just feel bad for the
younger generation. And another observation real quick, and I'm gonna

(41:11):
wrap up, MOI south oh Man feel bad about whatever
matchup he has to contain or his responsibilities. I'm not
this centum or thrown shots at him. But as soon
as he got in the game, it seems as though
like they went right at him and oh, this is
my last one. This isn't gonna prevent This isn't gonna
prevent injuries. But I think this goes a long way.

(41:33):
I would love to see when we down and down that,
whether we're on offensive defense, when one of our players
hit the ground, like, yo, help your guys up. I
do not like seeing guys getting up by themselves while
other people is up. They help each other up occasionally
when it's like convenient. But if I was a coach man,
I'm not saying it's gonna prevent injuries, but it helps.

(41:56):
I know it does. I played ball, like, yo, get
your man up. I don't care like nobody on the
floor and help you help your guys up. And Brian Davis,
if you're listening somewhere, bro be real, stop, don't be
friends with these guys. Stress the importance of this week
and and and the fact that we look like trash,
and get these guys mindset in the right direction, and

(42:19):
please let's go out there and not look pathetic and
at least fight. If I see these offensive linements fighting
and holding, then I'm cool with that. But y'all they
just go out there and just look bad. So thank you, gentlemen.
I appreciate the time to just air some of my grievances.

Speaker 9 (42:34):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
That was a thank you, borries. That was a heck
of an area. Your agreements is right there.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
That was a long list, but we're here for them,
were for the Giants fans to hear your grievances out.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
So generally speaking, I would say Jermaina Luminoor is a
huge human being. He's like three forty. He is big.
And Andrew Thomas's pig. The interior of the Giants offensive line,
I would probably quantify is slightly undersized. Uh and yeah,
I'm just going by a list of height and weight.
Here Running is six four to three h seven, Schmidt's
is six four three twenty. That's actually on the bigger

(43:04):
side for a center, and then Van Roten is six
four two ninety five. They get that's according to the
list of weights. Like if you look at Dallas's defensive lineman,
they're all three twenty plus. Yeah, looking at the legals
are mostly three twenty plus, So yes, compared to some
of the other groups, the Giants interior offensive line is
a little bit on the smaller side.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
Yeah, but Travis Kelce uh he was eighty maybe.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
I mean if that and Cam Jurgen's on the Eagles,
he's their center. He's three h four, so.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
Really good, really good players, all right, But I think
the reason why, well, number one, when you lose, everything
becomes under a microscope, right, you look at everything under
a microscope. But also the way the Giants have been losing,
especially in a division, they get ran on. A lot
of rushing yards gets put on the Giants, and then
the Giants can't run the ball. So number one, when

(43:52):
you looking it's when you lose by explosive plays. You're
not really called soft. You know that you're not really
called you know, not physical, But when you lose in
the rushing game, you get looked as as a non
physical team. And it's a It is how you lose
when you lose games, right, you don't get oh, is
it close victory or a close loss or you know,

(44:13):
I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about if a
team establishes a run on you and you can't run
the ball on them, that's a different look than somebody
scoring forty one points and they got you know, seven
passes over fifty yards. You know, it's a huge difference
in look, So I do understand why he sees it
that way. And you look at the Giants as like, wow,
our offensive line and just not big enough. They big enough. Yes,

(44:35):
they have to do a better job, you know, schematically wise.

Speaker 3 (44:39):
Too, it's execut better.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
Yeah, and offensively, like in terms of like schematics, like
if you don't think your offensive line can hold up
against some of these defensive linemen, then I think the
scheme or whatever you're doing collectively needs to be changed
or manipulated as well. I don't think that's the case, though,
you know, I think there's a mistake here and there,
and I think they got beat by a pretty good

(45:03):
defensive line and the Commanders. But I think, okay, one
play the red zone, goal line, play the scattaboo run. Yes,
when he ran into bow right, did you see how
big bow split was? His split was bigger than a
regular split in the in the in the open field.
This is the tight red. He had like a three

(45:24):
foot split. I'm sorry, you're gonna lose that.

Speaker 3 (45:26):
And he got beat inside.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
He got beat inside, So that that little bit of
detail that's not that's actually a big detail.

Speaker 6 (45:32):
Actually he was.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
There's no way that he was supposed to line that far,
especially when the run was hitting inside of him. He
was supposed to be at least maybe maybe six inches
maybe if that he was like three feet. That's gonna
get you beat every time. Those little details right there
are the things that get you beat.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
And I don't go back to They ran a bunch
of split zone runs in this game, when you know
you belly the guy back to cut the backside, and
I just thought there were plays where they didn't have
the double team right with the right guy getting up
to the second level. You would guys overlapping when they
were zone blocking to the left to the right where
you know they would they would just get out of sync,

(46:07):
and they weren't. And I think that's a feel thing.
You know, these guys haven't taken you know, you wouldn't
think they played together last year a lot, so you
think it should come together quickly. But it looked like
it did. I thought the second half was better, by
the way, yeah, than the first half. Maybe it just
took them a half to kind of figure some of
that stuff out, get into a rhythm. Because I did
think it wasn't always JC just them getting beat one

(46:28):
on one, especially in the run game. It was them
just not working well together as a unit and being
on different levels, like all sorts of stuff. It was
just very out of sync.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
Yeah, and that I think that comes with time, you know,
Like what you're saying. Sometimes when guys get doubled, it's
harder for the offensive guys because they don't know exactly
how much force that next guy's bring in. They might
actually get hit to the defensive guy might get hit
to the opposite side and make them free, like we've seen.
I think it was a couple of players while I

(46:57):
saw that happen, and then it's kind of easy to
split a double team if they're not on the same
level as well. So the Giants got to do better
in the technical side of things in terms of the
offensive line. Did they get out physical It looks like
that when the numbers are there, but it really wasn't
like that. It really wasn't a lot of guys just
getting their bus kicked.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
It happens, it did happen once. It did happen, but it.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
Wasn't that consistently. I think it was a lot of
technical things that they could have that they could have
prove improve on.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
Which is surprising, by the way, because I thought technically
last year with carn Bersilla, they were pretty sound through
most of the year. So this was something a little
bit different that I don't think we've seen him. Yep, exactly.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
I'm going to use this excuse because it's a valid excuse.
It's week one, and if you look around the league,
people are making the same mistakes. Because it's week one,
I expect improvement.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
There were seventeen teams this week jac more than half
the league that finished with under two hundred team passing yards.

Speaker 6 (47:48):
Right.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
Good, good quarterbacks too.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
Gyed Goff, Yeah, Baker Mayfield, CJ. Stroud to a like,
there's a bunch of good quarterbacks on that list that
were in that seventeen. I think the homes is under
two hundred.

Speaker 4 (47:59):
Yo.

Speaker 5 (48:00):
Ye, it's week one.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
It's week one. It has to be better this week
and then we can talk more after Week two against OUs.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
You look at a team like the Commanders, right, the
Giants just played them, They did not play well and
they still gotta win. Like you're you lucky to get
out of the game like that. Because if the Giants
would have played well, the Commanders would have played the
same way they played. The Giants would have won that game.
They'd have been able to move the ball because the
Commanders twelve penalties, how many drops they had, Right, they

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didn't play well, but and.

Speaker 3 (48:29):
They overthrow McLaurin wide open on the sideline.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
They did enough to make it, you know, a game
to where they scored points when they need to score points.
They make stops when the need to stop. I'm not
asking for the Giants to play a clean game. I
just want them to be able to take advantage of
some situations to get some points on that dang board.
And then on defense, they gotta be able to take
the ball away. They have to take the ball away
like a team that's a dominant defense. They're not just

(48:52):
a team that's stopping to run and doing good against
the past. They're a team that takes the ball away.
So if the Giants want to become that dominant defense,
you have to start taking a ball away and.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
Do it this week. Because Dak Prescott will put the
ball in the danger down the field. He's very aggressive,
he has a lot of faith in his arm. He
has a lot of faith in his receivers to make
contested catches. Giants had five interceptions last year. Only one
team had fewer, the Browns. They had four.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
And how many weeks did we go from the first
interception to the second?

Speaker 3 (49:18):
Long time, go take the ball away? We got two
more calls before we say goodbye. I love about Pearson
just puts Charlie in Portland Main's topic on the on
the call screener as the usual Charlie, how are you buddy?

Speaker 4 (49:34):
Hey John, I'm glad you dropped back in because I
would have been disappointed.

Speaker 3 (49:38):
Hey, I know you love talking to Paul, Charlie, you
love driving him nuts.

Speaker 4 (49:42):
Come on, blug blog time, no talk to Hey. Look,
let me say this. Either we start fast or we're
gonna lose big. I can't understand why this team never
under gable to start past for the first year and
that was it.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
But you mean start fast in terms of the season
or in terms of games.

Speaker 4 (50:07):
Games period.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
This has been, Charlie. You're correct, this has been I
think the lowest scoring team in foot well not all
the time, and in this case you are correct. This
team is I think the lowest scoring team in first quarters,
in first halfs over the last two years. You're one
hundred percent right. They have not done well enough early
in games.

Speaker 4 (50:27):
I think you can't start fast and can we put
the marriage of the bed that Gabel is an offensive genius.

Speaker 6 (50:34):
He's not.

Speaker 4 (50:36):
Look at our scoring, he's not an offensive genius. So
let's put that to bed. Okay. I don't want to
hear that ever again until we can actually score something,
you know, every game. And the other thing I want
to say is this, if you I said it before,
showed me and they showed me who they were. They're
the same team they were last year. Game one. That's

(50:58):
game one. I'm just saying game one. And they can't
stop the run to save their life, and they can't
run the ball to save their life either. Our offensive
line is totally offensive. It is offensive. It is a
bad O line. You could put in one hundred different coaches.
We still end up with a bad O line. And

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it doesn't matter if promises they are or not. Our
interior O line is pathetic. You had a team run
two hundred and twenty yards on US. One hundred and
fifty of them were their running back, so it wasn't
just Daniels. And if they didn't shoot themselves in the
fourth of thousand times, there would have been forty to six.
You know, so this team hasn't showed me that they're

(51:43):
any different than they were last year. I don't care
if Carter's on the field or who's And the thing
is they were on the field together, Carter, Burns and
pens eight percent of the time and death eight percent.
So what are we going to do next week? It's
going to be ten percent and twelve percent? Could you
pick this guy third round? I mean third picking in

(52:06):
the draft. You can't play him?

Speaker 3 (52:08):
No charge, Troy, hold on, charge, hold on one second.
I'm not gonna argue with most of what you said,
because the Week one was disappointing. I understand where you're
coming from on that. But you're not gonna have Carter,
Thibodeau and Burns on the field in non passing situations. No,
you're just not.

Speaker 6 (52:23):
Why not?

Speaker 4 (52:24):
You can't drop the run with the other guys. Why not?

Speaker 3 (52:27):
Where are you putting Carter?

Speaker 4 (52:30):
You put him somewhere? You put him listening to Fadden
about you put him.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
There, Julie. He didn't practice one snap all off season
as an off ball linebacker on early downs kids.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
There, Charlie, where'd you get that from? Because I knew
there wasn't a lot, but I didn't. I don't have
an exact number. Where do you get that from?

Speaker 3 (52:52):
A deck?

Speaker 4 (52:53):
And all those guys played together eight percent, Staf and
Carter only got thirty eight. Look, if we cannot stop
the run, which we can't, and we brought in Dallas,
and we brought in all these guys, it doesn't matter
what your past rush is doing, it won't matter. You've

(53:13):
got to be able to stop the run. And if
Dallas can run the ball like that dead hand Philly,
we are in trouble again. It won't matter about our
path rush. And if we cannot run the ball like
we did last week, Rusty's gonna be running for his
life again. And that's why I called him Russey Wilson
because he's rusty. He's not the guy. He just isn't.

(53:39):
I'd rather see Winsome in there than him. But look
we have right now. We're a bad beat and I
hope they showed me they're not a bad team this
week in Dallas, but I don't believe that will happen.
I think Dak and Dallas are fully upset that they
lost that game to Philly, and I think they're gonna
come out and they're going to start fast. They're gonna

(54:01):
start so fast, Giant SAIDs are gonna be spinning. Could
we never start? I don't get this, and that's coach
I got it.

Speaker 3 (54:10):
Thank you, Charlie, appreciate the call. Look, I can't defend
the Week one performance. It was not good. I will
say this, You were right about running the football on offense.
Jac and I talked about that earlier. The running backs
average two yards to carry last week. It's got to
be better than that, no question. I don't think the
rush defense was necessarily as bad as the numbers indicate.

(54:32):
Crossky Merit in garbage time twenty one six in the
final drive at fifty rushing yards throwing Daniels sixty eight.
That's almost one hundred and twenty yards just on quarterback scrambles,
and then that last drive by Merit, so that brings
that number down a bunch. With that said, it doesn't
mean that the rush defense was good. Otherwise it was
still not good enough. There are way too many five

(54:53):
six yard games on first downs, especially early in that game.
I agree with that. I just don't think the rush
defense was as bad as he thirty two for two
twenty might have you believe.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
Well, as a defender, I would never agree with you.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
I wouldn't expect on this side of it.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
I hear you because I know exactly what you're talking about.
It was a late run, there was a big the
game was kind of out of reach at that point,
but at the same time, it's still it's still rushing yards.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
And I was talking to Bowen and that that that
four minute drive drove him nuts. He was not happy.
He's like, I thought we were actually okay, and so
then and then he's like that that thing is driving
me nuts all week.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
Right, and and all some real stuff. When I watched
it because this is the first time I ever and
this is I wanted to try it, because I watched
the game at a bar like out, so you can't
really watch the game really. So then I watched the
All twenty two at the same time as a TV broadcast.
I've never done that, and it was good.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
Where do you have the All twenty two live?

Speaker 2 (55:45):
During the bro was no, no, no, remember I missed us,
so so later you watched it later for the next
day when it got you, I got your yea.

Speaker 3 (55:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
Plus I watched it at the same time, so I'm
hearing what they're saying and I'm watching it right, So
I'm watching it, and it was a couple of times
where it didn't really match up, like they were seeing
different things than what I was really seeing. Right in
terms of what the announcers are saying, like Tom Brady
and whoever Burke Burke, I want to say, whoever else,
I know his name, I'm.

Speaker 3 (56:14):
Sorry, idea what he's talking about, especially what no no.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
But it's hard to see it. The point I was
trying to make, it's hard to see it, especially in
real time.

Speaker 3 (56:24):
On the team, it's very hard to see in real time.
That's why when coaches said we have to watch the
tape after the game, I get.

Speaker 6 (56:29):
It, you do.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
Like there were things when I started watching it, I
was like, Oh, it was just a guy out of position.
It was a guy a little bit too far, a
guy an inch short on his alignment and he got
cut out. That's what I was seeing. I was seeing
a lot of technical issues with the Giants, especially defensively,
Like there were times in the second half when they
started moving Deebo Samuel around the Giants were a little

(56:50):
bit late, and then guess where that ball hit right
with a guy I was supposed to move. There was
one time where Nuban was supposed to come over. I
don't know because i'm what happened. He was supposed to
come over, it was emotionally supposed to come over or not.
The safety came down and he still stayed in the middle.
There was no one over there. Guess what a run
here right over there for big game. So like things

(57:11):
like that again, young safety, right, young defensive back, new
defensive backs. These are all technical issues that they can
get fixed. It's not like, oh, they're not physically strong
enough to stop them. That wasn't the case at least
what I saw from week one. So I think it's
promising to see, like, all right, these things that that
happened are correctable, fixable, and they should get fixed this week.

Speaker 3 (57:33):
All right, let's wrap things up with Tim and Charleston. Tim,
what's going on?

Speaker 9 (57:37):
Hey, guys? How you doing?

Speaker 6 (57:39):
So?

Speaker 9 (57:41):
Jonathan, is what you said was saying earlier about having
you know, Burns and Thibodeaux and Carter on the field
at the same time, And yeah, but it's down in
distance and John went through it the other day. You
know how many times we were in long down and
had them in longer down in distance a lot of
times on the second but they kept pushing the ball,

(58:02):
so I mean, you know, they kept getting either the
first down or close to the first down. So you know,
you only get so many opportunities to do that, and
you have to make them payoff and out the suit
jail and Daniels are such a mobile quarterback that had
a lot to do with and hopefully we'll do a
little better this week. But the one thing that I
that has been bothering me all week, and Brian Burns

(58:22):
definitely the best player on the field last week, and
he had two sacks on one drive. But John I
alwaysten all the huddles, I forget who it was in
the off season, said when you get a sack on
defense on the drive, it reduces the offenses like getting
a touchdown like eleven percent. Well what happens, what is

(58:43):
it reduces to It can get two sacks on that drive,
it probably reduces four percent.

Speaker 3 (58:47):
As honestly, Tim, probably it's probably even lower than that,
to be honest with you, And the and the Commander's
got a touchdown in that drive and they scored touchdown.

Speaker 9 (58:54):
So as well as burns play, we couldn't capitalize well.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
And the problem is that how many times were the
there's in second and nineteen or like second and twenty
two in this game and then they just get twelve
or thirteen yards on that second and long. It happened
way too many times, or go down or got the
first down.

Speaker 9 (59:10):
Right, Yeah, it just said too soft, too soft in
the coverage there and the scrambles and everything. But then
on the offensive side, I agree, we got to run
the ball more outside, you know, full of guard, pull
the center, do whatever. But also how we threw so
many screens in the preseason successfully and I'm like little

(59:30):
quick dinks and dunks, and I was like with Scataboo,
with the Tracy, with the wide receivers, with anywhere, I
mean even with Dio in the one player that Jackson
Darton that game a little you know, four yard shot.
We've got to get some more of these little quick
outs and get the Dallas defenders playing toward the edges
and stop that massive push up the middle established the run.

(59:54):
But in order to do that, let's get some of those.
Let's stretch out the Dallas defense a little more. Because
one thing, I agree with Charlie. If we don't start
fasting this game, it's not gonna go well. And I
hate to say I agree with Charlie.

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
But you know I think he's he's well, look, Tim,
I happened agree with them too. I do think if
can you please with the team to score first in
this game, like if you win the coin toss, I
would seriously consider taking the ball.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:00:20):
One other thing that I just had. This was a
thought I had literally during the game when it happened.
So it's not Monday morning quarterbacking the one time in
the game when I said, here's a spot they should
throw in Jackson Dart And this is more of a
even a thought for down the line on that first
time before we got the penelty when we can't play

(01:00:40):
on the fourth and two, fourth and goal down there
and it was at the two yard line and we
got lucky, we got the penelty, We got new set
of downs and did nothing with it. But I was
I was thinking, this would be a great time to
have You don't have to have dark when you get
in like a fourth and two kind of situation to
put him in the game, because it just gives you

(01:01:02):
more optionense, It gives more things for the defense to
talk about it so that they gotta be more aware.
And you could you could do a play action, You
could roll them out with with a little you know,
a little option play.

Speaker 8 (01:01:12):
You can do that with us.

Speaker 7 (01:01:14):
That might be a way to like get him in
now and then to great effect without disrupting you know,
the whole flow of take him taking you know, a
whole series away from Russ.

Speaker 9 (01:01:25):
What do you think about that?

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
Now, thank you to appreciate the call. I think you
can do that stuff with Russ. You could play action
and roll out Russell Wilson.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
Yeah, they tried it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
And by the way, I thought they did try a
couple of those really short passes in the first half.
Do you know what happened? The commander defensive ends got
so far of fuel JC that they cut the angle
off on the passes to the perimeter.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
Those I'm telling you, the Commander's defensive line played light out.

Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
No, they played very well.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
They really did. Like the screenplays, a couple of screenplays
on the outside, they were the ones making a tackle
not the defensive back.

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
Oh dude, even like on the on the goal line
play on one of them. I think it was the
first and second was a second, third and goal, third
and goal when they play action and they were trying
to get Tracy coming out late towards the sideline. Whyse
got out there and he cut off the angle Russell
Wilson could have made the throw. So like there to
your point, I'm with you, I think there are a

(01:02:13):
lot of techting issues that could be correct. To give
me your final thoughts.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
Thing, well, just what he was talking about, because he
was talking about putting Jackson Dart in. I'm interested because
there was supposed to be a package for Jackson Dart.

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
I wonder how accurate that was. But yes, okay, it
was reported. I just wonder if that I wonder if
that was just trying to get the commanders to prepare
for something.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
Okay, man, maybe maybe not. Well, I'm interested though.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
I feel like if there was the way the offense played,
why wouldn't we have seen it?

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
Right right?

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
It seems a little odd that we didn't see it
in the game where the offense couldn't get anything going.
If it was there, you know what I mean, no,
I got you.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
I got you. I'm interested. I could be wrong though,
I could see it. That's just again, like I said,
the great thing about this is that there's only week one, right,
and there was some things that the Giants can correct
on film. Sometimes you look at the film but like
we can't do nothing with that, you know what I mean.
Like I looked at the feelings, said all right, there's
some mistakes that we're here that I can see. If
they correct these, those big plays wouldn't happen on both

(01:03:06):
sides of the ball. That's it. That's my last pick.

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
That's anything on Dallas. You want to say before I think.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
To set it up. I think you were I think
you stepped out for a second. Yeah, you stepped out
for a second, my keys. The victory basically is like offensively,
of course, established the offensive line, be able to establish
to run take shots early, keep them on their heels.

Speaker 4 (01:03:25):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
Defensively, be gap assigned, you know, be a gap uh,
you know, have gap integrity, and then get into a
manageable situation where your defense, your defensive line can eat.

Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
Awesome j C. Put being back with you, man, it's
been too long, been so long. I am pumped to
be with JAYC every Thursday this year on Big Blue Kickoff.
I've I apologized for popping in and out. Luckily my
windshield is repaired, at least it's supposed to be. Could
barely see the crack was nice. It's good, like almost
a dime or nickel sized nick too.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
It was bad because it gives you worse.

Speaker 3 (01:03:56):
In theory. It should be fixed, so I appreciate that.
Thanks for being with us here in the Hackensack Britny
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