Big Blue Kickoff Live 9/15 | Giants vs Cowboys Review

John Schmeelk and Paul Dottino review the game against the Dallas Cowboys, talk about the Giants passing attack, and take calls from fans.

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Speaker 4 (00:26):
Hello everybody, and welcome to Monday's edition of Big Blue
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the Giants. I am John Schmelke. Is Paul Datino. The
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Keep getting better, Paul.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
That was different, Yes, it was.

Speaker 4 (00:46):
We've seen some rough games for the Giants the last
few years. The last one that was as crazy as
that one is the what was the final score? Fifty
two to forty five score between the Sinks and the
Giants in the Dome.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
What was that twenty thirty?

Speaker 4 (01:04):
God, I don't remember the year. Giant fans know the
game I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
It Breeze Manning game, which was show.

Speaker 4 (01:10):
You had fumbles on punts and recoveries and another fumble ended.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
With a face mask call against the Giants on a
special teams play that allowed the Saints to kick the
winning field goal from about five million miles away.

Speaker 4 (01:24):
Well, and the Cowboys kicked the field goal from a
million miles away to force that game. In the overtime,
the Giants faulted the Cowboys forty to thirty seven.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
We could talk.

Speaker 4 (01:31):
Here, probably Paul for a full hour and just talk
about what happened in this game, because there were so
many things. But let's hit on the main topics and
then obviously you can call in and touch on some
of the more granual stuff if you want. But I
think the first thing you have to start on, Paul,
and what was Tom Cofflin's thing for every seventy yards
of penalties it's a touchdown.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
I don't think it was. I forget the exact number.
I forget the number, but I know the concept of
what you're referring to, and I think the thing that
bothers me and I know what you're gonna say.

Speaker 4 (01:59):
Well, and by the way, fourteen penalties one hundred and
sixty yards. And I'll add this too. You had three
offset on one play, all right, so and then you
had another one or two declined, so you probably had
closer to seventeen penalties for two hundred yards based on
what happened over the course of the game. And when
you're playing a good team on the road in their building,

(02:21):
and those penalties even take as many as four points
or three points off the board, that's how you turn
a win into an overtime loss.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Well, that's why the Giants really need to be kicking
themselves for not taking a much bigger earlier lead in
this game.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
And you know it's funny I said that Tatiki after
the game. If you want to, you can talk about
plays at the end, then we will. Oh, but it
should not have been thirteen to ten at all time, No,
one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
The Giant should have had a big lead. This should
never have gotten close in the fourth quarter. I just
want to go to that first drive for just a minute. Okay,
we all know what James Hutson did. Four penalty totaling
forty yards, plus he gave up a five yard sack.

(03:07):
One of the penalties also eliminated an eleven yard run,
so in reality, five difficult plays for him resulted in
minus fifty six yards. But I want to go further
than that.

Speaker 4 (03:20):
And by the way, fifty yards of total penalties on
the drive if you count the other penalties.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yeah, but I'm gonna go more than that.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
Oh yeah, you mean the sixty seven yard kickoff return
that got kick it off the board.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Impactful yard it'ge lost. You get Bozeman with a hold
on the kickoff return, and you get Slayton with a
hold on a fifty yard of the Robinson in total.

Speaker 4 (03:41):
No, no, no, these lane hold was on a twenty
four yard Tracy twenty fourth.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
Tracy, I'm sorry, that's I'm sorry, that's okay, Yes, yes, Tracy,
I take that back.

Speaker 4 (03:48):
Yeah, it was the unnecessary roughness on Hudson that took
fifteen yards away from a fifty yard pass to Robinson.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
I'm sorry I didn't get drop. No, that's right, that's
right now. No, I'm glad we got it straight because
I went through this this morning and my head was
spinning in fifteen thousand directions. I'll have to talk about
in total, the six penalties in effect, never mind the
penalty yardage, but in effect, including the yardage lost on
the games, resulted in minus one hundred and twenty four

(04:14):
yards six penalties, resulting in minus one twenty four. The
drive wound up going sixty yards in sixteen plays.

Speaker 4 (04:26):
I was joking with Tiki on the halftime show and
I had never seen before, and Paul, you know me,
I'm a big adherent. I think it's very important to
take a look at all the possessions after every game.
Is the one man needs to say each drive is
his own story.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Correct.

Speaker 4 (04:41):
I've never seen a drive where a team gains one
hundred and ten yards and they wind up with three points. Yeah,
and that doesn't even count the sixty seven yard kickoff
return that got called back, and that's part of it,
and that they would have had a first and goal
at the one and a half yard line after that
Wonder Robinson fifty yard catch, the idiotic James Hudson on

(05:02):
sportsmanlike penalty when he's slamming the Cowboys offensive defensive lineman's
head into the ground after the play, which, by the way,
I had no problem with any of the calls on
that drive either.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
By the way, I didn't think any of them were
bad calls.

Speaker 4 (05:13):
So you just can't have look the head slap he
was trying to push him, I think past him. The
guy trips, he ends up getting him in the head. Idea,
it happens, But then you had the full star penalty.
That unsportsmanlike thing is just you can't have that at
all periods.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
Stop.

Speaker 4 (05:30):
So they did the right thing taking out of the game.
Marcus Ball, I thought, did a pretty darn good job
in his place. I thought he'd have some problem with
some power on some rushes, which you've talked about with him.
But I thought, I mean, my goodness, a rookie going
in there playing his first ever game as much played
a really good game, I thought. And look, then you
have other little moments later in the game where you
you know, of one of five in the red zone

(05:52):
scoring touchdowns for the Giants again, one for five, one
for five, you turned one of those into a touchdown.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
Cowboys, can't get this game into overtime.

Speaker 4 (06:01):
That's right, it's game's over and again this is and
by the way, we haven't goten to the defense yet.
Don't worry, we will. But these are these little moments
over the course of a close game where you come
up a little bit short, and that's the difference between
going into overtime and winning in regulation.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
Now you know the one thing that I was happy about.
Let me just get this out because I think it's
important that we do understand that there was something that
was good about this. For months, we watched OTA's mini camp,
training camp, we watched all that stuff, and we kept saying,
Russell Wilson's throwing the ball. Well, he looks really good.

(06:38):
He's throwing the ball. Well, the receivers are making plays.
The offensive line looks like they can hold up and
be functional. Well, guess what the Giants proved to you
yesterday that we were not imagining for that.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
That was not a mirage at least for this game.
And now, look, the Cowboys defensive front is not a
world beater, but look.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
Average at best defense pall. They had five hundred yards
of total offense. Correct, The receivers made plays and by
the way, on the pregame show, you remember me doing this,
I kept asking for Malik Neighbors to make plays above
the ex's and the o's. He did it.

Speaker 4 (07:08):
Yes, that was a great diving catch in the ends
and it was terrific. We also talked about how compromised
the Cowboys secondary was and how many times have we
talked about that, and the Giants failed to take advantage
of it. Well, they took advantage of it in this game.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
Be a difference maker. He did it. Wandel Robinson, We've
been talking forever about his average judge per catch. He's
got to be a difference maker. He's got to make
more plays downfield. He did it.

Speaker 4 (07:31):
He killed the seam in the middle of the field
in this game.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
Killed it. Okay, Russell Wilson threw the ball all over
the field, did really really well. And for the most part, yeah,
that the offensive line where they functional. They were functional. No,
the offensive line played a pretty good game. So so
all three of these things that we told you we
saw during the off season came to fruition on Sunday.
We saw it. So now you know we're not speaking

(07:55):
gibberoush here. This was not a mirage. This stuff is
in them. They've got the tools, the skills, the toolbox,
the ability to do what they did yesterday. The problem
is all the other junk that overwhelmed it and sunk
the ship.

Speaker 4 (08:11):
Well, we talked about the penalties. Let's get to the
defense here. Five hundred and six yards of total offense
to the Giants. Whoo great, awesome. Then you go three
inches to the right on the column on the statue.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (08:23):
And you see the Cowboys had four hundred and seventy
eight yards of total offense.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah, can't have that.

Speaker 4 (08:29):
No, and way too many big plays over the course
of the game. I thought they had a pretty good
job on Javonte Waiams, but then he had a couple
of big runs in the second half of this game
in overtime that ended up really hurting the Giants.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
I thought his touchdown, by the way, was disgusting.

Speaker 4 (08:45):
Oh, the one where he like broke three tackles. Yeah,
not not good.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
I mean he got right through that initial wave, bounced
off a couple guys, and then like.

Speaker 4 (08:54):
Tyler Newman had a mistackle in the open field.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
Yes, Woltz right into the end zone. It was that
was brutal.

Speaker 4 (09:00):
Yeah, And then look, I guess we can we could
talk about the unit of the whole, and then we
can focus on a couple of specific moments.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
Late in the game.

Speaker 4 (09:07):
I thought the pass rush was good. I also thought,
and we've talked about this so many times of the
Giants being on the other end of it, that I
think it's only appropriate we talk about it now. When
you get a gain a team into must pass situations
like the Cowboys were at the end of this game
where they had to throw to keep up with the

(09:27):
Giants offense. Yeah, those words did come out of my mouth.
That was what was going on in this game.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
And we've talked about.

Speaker 4 (09:33):
Trying to get other teams in these scenarios, right, I
don't you want to see your fourth quarter pass rush
close this game out? They ran out of gas, John,
I think that's what it was. I think that's what
it was. And I will give Dallas credit for this too.
I have never seen an edge rusher get chipped as
consistently as Brian Burns did in this game. They had

(09:55):
two guys on him on almost every play, and I guys,
I looked at it. It was almost every single playing
when they didn't Burns got pressure, they were.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
They were definitely he was in public enemy number one.

Speaker 4 (10:06):
Yes, they made Keevon Thibodeau win one on one against
Terran Steele for much of this game. And I thought
Kavon did okay, okay, was he dominated?

Speaker 5 (10:14):
No?

Speaker 4 (10:14):
But I thought he certainly got his fair share of
pressures and he got a sack and he got after
the quarterback Dexter Lawrence I thought continued to improve. He
was better this year than he was last week. Was
he an unblockable force, I wouldn't quite put it that way.
To what you know, was he playing as well as
he didn't when he was at his best last year
of the year before. He probably wasn't quite there. But

(10:34):
he impacted the game. And he did get pressure on
the quarterback. Yeah, and he had and he had six
pressures in the game, so he did not impact it well.
He wasn't all universe Dexter, but he played well. Abdul
Carter did not get a sack. But you know who
forced or helped force the interception to Drew Phillips.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
It was Abdul Carter.

Speaker 4 (10:53):
It was who was in Dak Prescott's face and knocked
him down, had a quarterback hit and that allowed I'm
sure that affected Prescott's throw. And then Drew Filow has
made a really nice play in an interception. So the
pressure again, it was good. None of those guys played
poorly in my opinion, No, but I agree they didn't
close out the game in a dominant fashion at the

(11:13):
end either. So that's how I'll kind of balance those
two things. At the same time and then talk about that.
And then when I get to the second there the.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
Game was exhausting to watch. I can't even imagine what
it was like to play John Well.

Speaker 4 (11:24):
The Cowboys ran eighty nine if you want to count
the plays, including the ones that got called back for penalties.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
Cowboys offense ran eighty nine plays and threw it well
over fifty times.

Speaker 4 (11:34):
That is, Dak had fifty one pass attempts plus the
fifty two pass attempts, and he had a couple of
scrambles and a couple of scrambs. So they probably had
fifty six or fifty seven drop backs maybe with the penalties,
and might even closer to sixty.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
And and so you know, I get down on the
field now for road games with the two minute warning,
otherwise I'm upstairs. So I get downstairs at the two
minute warning, and of course, what happens in the last
two minutes at the fourth quarter, it was insane. Yeah,
But as I'm down on the sideline and I'm following
the line of scrimmage on the sideline, I'm telling you,
I'm looking at the Giants front line. These guys were like, Wow,

(12:10):
they were begging for oxygen. It was tough. Now, I
think this day they were really they were exhausted. I
kept saying to myself, how are they supposed to dexter Lawrence?
At one point I felt for him. They had called
to play Goes out of bounds. He had a minute
to catch his breath. Now they're getting ready lineup for
the next play, and you should have seen how slowly

(12:32):
he bent over to put his hand on the ground.
I was afraid he was gonna just fall over and collapse.
They were gassed, and yet they still were able to
get the ball back in overtime twice.

Speaker 4 (12:44):
Twice exactly right now. They were helped by a jail
and tober drop that hit him right in the chest. Yeah,
on that route. But look the bottom line is and
then Elijah Garcia came in there and had a big
sack in over time.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
Wow, how about that he marched I think it was
iron steel right back into the quarterback of Forever. Correct.
I think it was Terred Steele the line.

Speaker 4 (13:05):
But yeah, I mean, look, I think that's just the
fact that it's Week two and these guys aren't in
mid season form yet. Because if you'll go to the
fourth quarter like It's not like the Cowboys had really
long drives, right. I mean their last drive to get
that final field goal was just three plays, right, and
then in overtime they only had a couple. You know,

(13:25):
they had four or five plays on each one of
those drives and the Giants were on the field. But
they just scored so quickly on a couple of those drives. So,
but look, let's get to the secondary, because I think
that was the bigger story.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
First, I do.

Speaker 4 (13:37):
Want to tip my cap to Dak Prescott. I thought
he played a great game.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
He completed a couple like that crosser to Seedee Lamb
against that double team.

Speaker 4 (13:48):
I stopped the film. There wasn't a six inches of
breathing space. He put the ball up and away the
only place you could put it to complete that pass.
It was unbelievable throw. And then two plays later, Dexter Lawrence,
as I mentioned, had some pressures. He gets in there,
puts Prescott on his rear end and he threw that
deep out to the left sideline right as he's getting hit.

(14:11):
Unbelievable throw. They hit Seede Lamb in that deep out.
So first things first, I thought Prescott played really well.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
The touchdown passed to uh Pickens when he did the
on the route and I wasn't back deep was right
there and if that in fact, that was right in
front of me, and I'm thinking, as as as he's
looking at him, it's like the ball's gonna come right
to me. And I'm like thinking to myself, I wonder
if he's gonna stay in bounce because there's not a.

Speaker 4 (14:35):
Lot of rule right And I know Giant fans and
we threatened it were upset because there was not a
lot of pressure at the line, a lot of soft
coverage and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
Giants played a lot of man in this game. Yeah,
they did. They played a fair shareff man.

Speaker 4 (14:46):
They played their fair shriff cover three with with single
high safety deep and look, the reason the Cowboys went
out there and traded for George Pickens is so you
would have two wide receivers that it would be very
difficult to play man to man, and they actually did.
I thought Paul for the most part, did what I
suggested in the pregame show, which was they had shading
his safety the seedy lamp side to make sure he

(15:07):
got help on that side. And they had a d ball,
especially late in the game on George Pickens a lot
one on one most of the game actually, and give
the again, Pickens beat him on a couple of slants,
he beat him on a couple out routes. But and
then you had the deep crossing pattern, and.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
Again it's gonna be hard.

Speaker 4 (15:21):
It's hard to trail a guy all the way across
the field on a crossing pattern on that final catch,
that final Cowboys drive.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Of the game.

Speaker 4 (15:29):
It's just gonna be hard to trail that guy all
the way across the field.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
And you have a good receiver like Pickings. I would
never quantify a deebo's coverage as he got roasted on
all those he did not. He just got beat by
good players. And sometimes the other guys make a play.

Speaker 4 (15:43):
And that's gonna happen. And again, it wasn't a situation
where they were playing a bunch of soft zone and
they're giving a space and things like that. Good players
just made good plays.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
And they happened to beat the Giants defense.

Speaker 4 (15:54):
But I do want to get to the one play
that I know is wrinkle Giant fans and understandably so,
just really poor execution. Paul at the end of regulation
with fourteen seconds to go. Cowboys have a couple timeouts left.
They're at their own thirty two yard line.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
If I'm not mistaken, I'll bring up the exact sitution
thirty three because completion of Ferguson it goes to the
Giants forty nine.

Speaker 4 (16:19):
Yeah, so the Cowboys have it.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
That's overtime. Sorry, So the Cowboys have it. At the
end of regulation.

Speaker 4 (16:25):
After that unbelievable touchdown passing catch by mileage neighbors with
thirty three seconds to go, Cowboys get the ball back
first and ten at their own thirty three with nineteen
seconds to go. Thibodeau puts really nice pressure on the quarterback,
prevents what I think would have been a completion to
George Pickens on the left side.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
He was opened, but.

Speaker 4 (16:43):
Thibodeau's pressure forces the incompletion. Really nice play. In fact, though,
that was the uh double cross mash and Pickens was
wide open coming across the field. If Thibodau doesn't get
pressure Beaten Steel on that play, Pickets can catch that
blaow and go. But he forces the incomplete passed, really
good passed rest by Tibdau on that play, and then
on second and ten with fourteen seconds to go, the
Cowboys can probably run three plays to try to get

(17:06):
the ball in the field goal range at best again,
and they have to be quick throws in that situation,
maybe only two. The Cowboys do have two timeouts store
three time outs left at that point, so they can
stop the clock.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
They can use the middle of the field.

Speaker 4 (17:18):
And it's important to note who the Cowboys kicker is,
which changes this whole formula.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
What did Dabis said last week? He came right out
and said it. They have a kicker. They only need
to get to the fifty yard line. He came right
out and said it. He is a weapon. They get
to the fifty, he can kick it.

Speaker 4 (17:36):
The Giants player said that after the game.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yep, so they knew. They all knew it. They knew
the situation.

Speaker 4 (17:42):
Well, Brandon Aubrey from sixty five, while it's not automatic,
a sixty five yard kick for him is like a
fifty two or fifty three yard kick for somebody else.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
They've said in practice he's hit seventies.

Speaker 4 (17:51):
He hit a seventy I think in game game last year, correct,
I mean you were watching that game, actually, I remember
we're watching his h Jet so Jet he's.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
A great kicker.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
He's the best kicker in the leagueles a machine, and
the Giants understandably are playing off coverage in that situation.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
It's a deep umbrella.

Speaker 4 (18:11):
The problem is you want to play off coverage to
the Dallas forty yard line, I mean to your own
forty yard line, to your own forty five yard line.
The problem is that the Giants defenders drop back, not
just the midfield, they drop back beyond the midfield, to
their own forty five yard line in some cases. And

(18:31):
Ferguson just runs down the middle of the field, turns
around on the star. Prescott throws another really good throw,
He catches, it goes down.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
They run the ball once after that for.

Speaker 4 (18:42):
Three yards, and Aubrey drills a sixty four yard which,
by the way, would have been good from seventy. That
ball hits the net.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
It's not the net, you know what though. It was
a bit of a knuckleball and it was fluttering off
to the right. I wonder if Williams did not get
the last four yard run. It hooked back at the end.
But I wonder when it went off to the right,
if he had been back four more yards before the
Williams run. I wonder if it might have hit the
upright maybe who knows. I don't know either, it's possible,

(19:10):
because so those last four yards I thought were also
rather value.

Speaker 4 (19:13):
My point though, is that it had it had the distance,
no doubt, no doubt.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
And on that.

Speaker 4 (19:21):
Play, if you watch it, the two players in the
middle of the field responsibility were Dan Belton and Bobby Okaraka,
and Bobby Okaraka is on the If you're looking from
the offensive perspective, the left half left, hash Mark Belton's
kind of in the middle of the field draws back
to throw. You have three wide receivers, including Ferguson to
the right of the formation. You have one wide receiver

(19:42):
to the left of the formation, and o'karakey's looking at
the quarterback. Belton's dropping back, dropping back. O'kara kay is
either helping out On pickens to the left, but he
doesn't commit to there, and Ferguson just stops near the right.
Hash Mark Okarickay has not come over to get underneath
the receiver. Belton keeps dropping back, allowing Ferguson to get leverage.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
So the Giants forty six to your point, about going
back too far now I will he should never have
backpedaled it the Giant's territory, in my opinion.

Speaker 4 (20:13):
I agree, I don't know what. Again, we're not in
the meeting room. I don't know what the coverage assignment is.
There no one pass that we all know Dak Prescott
loves to throw to Jake Ferguson. Is that seam ball
where he puts it right over that middle defender, in
between that middle defender and the safety and o'kaa Ke
was not deep enough. Well, my point is that I
think maybe Belton was trying to stay on top of

(20:36):
Ferguson to prevent him from getting behind him to get
the ball over his head. If he's expecting oh Karakae
to slide underneath him, that makes sense. You have him
bracketed then, right, You have your one player in front,
one player behind. The problem is that Okake never comes
over and no one's underneath the tight end. So again
you can put playhim on both guys and that's fine.
And again we're not in the meeting room. I don't

(20:58):
know the details, but you can't simply let Ferguson run
to a spot turn around with zero resistance and catch
a pass like that.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
It's well.

Speaker 4 (21:08):
And by the way, again, they knew what the line was.
They talked about it after the game, So it's hard
for me to yell at the coaches for that because
they knew the spot.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
That just looks like bad. Ferguson goes right to the star.
Prescott looks at him the whole way. He looks at
him the whole way. You knew that's exactly what they
were going to do. And the Giant's bracket was basically
too wide. Yah is when it comes down way too wide. Correct,
bracket was too wide, well, carri Kate, not back enough,
belt in not close enough, and and just like the

(21:39):
the cream in the middle of an Oreo cookie, right,
Ferguson finds that space between the two of them and
just sits down and waits for the pass right there
at the star. Unfortunately, one of those if you have
you had the Oreo Mega stuff where the cream is
like an inch thick.

Speaker 4 (21:53):
Out up the double stuff. No, it's big. It's bigger
than double. It's like double the doubles.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
Like a night like an ice cream sandwich.

Speaker 4 (21:59):
And well, that's the that's the problem though, That's how
much space there was between the two cookies.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
That's the problem. That's exactly the problem. They needed to
crunch him and he didn't do it.

Speaker 4 (22:07):
You needed the slim oreo. There you go, you got
the mego orio.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
So you know, John and I, we both spent a
lot of time looking at this play, and it looks
to us. It looks to us we could explain exactly
what happened. Now, whether or not somebody didn't understand the play,
or somebody did something physically wrong, or who knows, there's
no way for us who knows. Same thing with the

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with the interception that Wilson through at the end of
the game. Okay, Neighbors runs a bit of an out
on the left sideline and Wilson strolling the ball down
the scene.

Speaker 4 (22:43):
And honestly, and again, I don't know any better. And
I will generally say, look, Russell Wilson's been this league forever.
I'm gonna trust that he was doing the right thing.
But it certainly looks like the cover two safeties inside
and Neighbors is trying to find a hole on the
sideline between the safety and by the way is a
little bit. Now, I don't think there's enough room to
don for squeeze that pass in there, but he went

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to the open area at that point he did. It
didn't look to me like Neighbors did anything wrong. But
again I'm not in the meeting room. I don't know
what the excited just are and stuff like that based
on the covert. So I again I hesitate to blame
any individual or to pass judgment. But again, a mistake.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
Now on that play, because there's one other play I
really want to highlight and then and then please finish.

Speaker 4 (23:23):
No, I'm done, so you can okay the HIGHJA plays
and then I'll get to now.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
Unfortunately, Marcus Bow is playing left tackle and Bow gets
put on roller skates on that particular play and he
gets rolled right back into the face of Sam Williams.
I think Williams rolls Bow right back into Wilson's face.
Wilson does not have time to resurvey the field or

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to make an adjustment on the throw because I think
if he had had enough to see and this is
what we talked about with keeping his field division clean.
Neighbors is on Neighbors is on Wilson's left sideline. Where
do you think the pressure came from his left side.
Wilson is the right defensive end. He gets into Wilson's face.

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Wilson can't see deep on that side of the field.
The pressure gets right in his face within an instant,
and Wilson, as he said, he tried to give Neighbors
a chance to make a play. Well, he's throwing to
the left seam thinking thinking that, okay, there's going to
be a shot there. Well that's because he can't see

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where Neighbors is at the end of the route, and
he can't probably see where the safety was, and so
he tries to make the play. It was as good
as a punt in all honesty, but it was a turnover.
And obviously then with only two minutes to go, Dallas
was in position to win the game. So either a
miscommunication but also combined with the pressure on the quarterback,

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and or maybe maybe I don't know that maybe at
some point during the call, maybe the hall didn't get
hurt correctly too, because he got loud down there. It
got real loud down there at the end of the game.
So maybe Neighbors didn't hear the right call and he
wound up running a route that he thought was being called.
And maybe he was supposed to run a scene route

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and who knows, But this is the kind of stuff
that happens. The other thing, John, that was just circumstantial,
the fumble sack. When the ball came out of Wilson's hands, Yeah,
his arms coming forward, but when he follows, he's following
through and the ball comes out. With his follow through,

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the ball winds up coming out and going behind him.

Speaker 4 (25:38):
Well, well, he's trying to hold the throw because he's
trying to throw to the left hand side, and the
Gile Cowboys pass rusher jumps in the area's going to
back the pass, and I think he might have been
trying to tuck it. Of course, Yeah, he was trying
to tuck it, and he turned his whole body and
instead though, so the ball goes backwards.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
Now they have to call it a fumble. Yeah, it
was the right call. It was the right call. But
now if that ball slips out half a second earlier
while it's up here, they're gonna call he could play.
That's correct. But because he's he's in the in the
middle of the of that little turn, a little body turn,
the ball goes backwards. I mean, holy smokes, you talk
about fractions of an inch. That just it was. It

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was tough to.

Speaker 4 (26:16):
Watch forty to thirty seven. Every fraction of an inch matters.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
Yeah it does, Yeah it does. That's way the game goes.

Speaker 4 (26:22):
All right, there's a ton more to talk about this game,
but I don't want to uh fill a buster anymore.
I want to make sure you give you guys a
chance to talk and then hold another show tomorrow. Will
take plenty of your calls then as well. Uh let's
go to line two. Robin Yonkers will be first here.
Johnny Mack, Robin, welcome ba Johnny mackfe's honeymoon. By the way,
Johnny Mack, welcome back.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
Rob. What's going on?

Speaker 6 (26:38):
Good, good afternoon, guys. How are you doing?

Speaker 2 (26:40):
Come on?

Speaker 7 (26:42):
Well?

Speaker 8 (26:42):
Mean, yeah, I.

Speaker 6 (26:43):
Actually called you and I said that I was gonna
call you guys back two and zero.

Speaker 7 (26:47):
Yeah, we beat Dallas.

Speaker 6 (26:50):
That definitely did not happen.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
Yeah, but you called us though, Rob, You kept your word.
That says a lot.

Speaker 7 (26:54):
Ye.

Speaker 6 (26:56):
Honestly, guys, looking at these games, I still feel we
should have been too and two and zero. And why
I say that?

Speaker 9 (27:04):
Anybody?

Speaker 5 (27:04):
We're what do I feel right now?

Speaker 6 (27:07):
We should not see what our record is I feel
we should have I feel we should have been Washington.
I feel we should have been Dallas.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
Rob, Rob.

Speaker 4 (27:14):
In fairness, you can say you should have be Dallas.
Washington beat the Giants in Week one.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
The first game was a skunk by the Giants. They
did not deserve to win that game, that is correct.

Speaker 6 (27:24):
I have one question.

Speaker 5 (27:25):
I have a couple of tis. I have one question
for you guys.

Speaker 6 (27:27):
Yeah, they said that in nineteen sixty something, I wasn't
born yet nineteen sixty something, that the New York Giants
played the Boston Yankees and Yankee Stadium. Who are the
Boston Yankees and is that team still around?

Speaker 4 (27:42):
No, obviously that team is not around. And Rob appreciate
the call. Thanks so much, Paul sixty seven Boston Yankees,
you got anything.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
I'm sorry, I really don't now. It's possible that might
have been one of the Continental Football teams, which was
a semi pro league that was located in the northeast
part of the country, and it's possible that the Giants
played an exhibition game against them.

Speaker 4 (28:02):
The Boston Yankees were a National Football League team based
in Boston, Massachusetts, that played from nineteen forty four to
nineteen forty eight and played its home games at Fenway Park.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Right, but he said sixty seven. By then, it's possible
that was a minor league team. Maybe maybe he misheard
it and it was forty seven.

Speaker 4 (28:18):
That could be too, that's bad. I will just give
you an example.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
There was a team called the Connecticut Bulls and they moved.
They were also called the Long Island Bulls. They were
in something called, i think like the Eastern Football Association.
It was a minor league team, and they were affiliated
with the Giants, and the Giants used to send some
of their back end roster players sometimes to that minor
league team to play. The Giants did play them in

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like scrimmages and exhibitions every once in a while. That's
not unheard of. It used to happen back in the
day when we're talking like late sixties, early seventies, So
that also could be possible.

Speaker 4 (28:54):
Let's go to Donnie and Queens. He's on next, Donnie,
how's it going?

Speaker 5 (28:58):
Well?

Speaker 1 (28:59):
Here we go again, and.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
Donnie, that was a very different game. That was not
a here you go again game.

Speaker 3 (29:05):
Not at all, totally disagree.

Speaker 7 (29:07):
It's another loss to the divisional opponent, another loss to
the Dallas Cowboys. It's another zero to two stars.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
No, that's all fair, that's all fair.

Speaker 4 (29:16):
But granually, Donnie, this was a much different game than
we've seen from this team.

Speaker 7 (29:19):
They scored more points in this one than they have
in prior games. It's the same old garbage last year,
just like the Washington game. They could have won the
Washington game, right, but they didn't. And what happens is
these games stacked. They're gonna lose to the Chiefs on
Sunday night, that seems out. Starting on and three. Then

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the Chargers will come into town. Maybe they'll win that one.
Maybe they'll win the Saints. Then they got two out
of three against the Eagles, and this season is over.
And it's because the Giants now have become the Browns,
the Lions of the past, the Jets where they lose
because they don't know how to win anymore. It is

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now embedded inside the walls of that facility. It is
different players, it is different coaches, it is different units.
But each season, week to week, one player here, one
player there, they all take their turns and finding ways
to lose. And this will be the first year I
don't go to a giant opener in I think sixteen

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years now, because it's not worth it anymore. And until
this franchise figures out how to win games, these Sundays
are nothing but a waste of time. And I frankly,
they should cut James Hudson today. They should cut Deontay
Banks again with embarrassing tackling performances. I called you about

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this last year. John. They should admit it in the butt.
Last year they tried. It didn't work. Get these guys
out of the building that aren't going to give full effort.
I thought most of the guys played hard yesterday, but
the team played stupid for the particularly on the defensive
side of the ball. And I'll tell you this, if
Brian Daboll and Link Martindale were adult and they were

(31:10):
able to act like adults, the children and had been
a picking contest two years ago and Wink was still here,
they little in the game yesterday. So through the Giants, man,
I'm done with them.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
All right, Donny, I understand your frustration. It sucks.

Speaker 4 (31:24):
I get it, and look, you gotta when you're a
team that struggles. The good teams figure out a way
to win their close games, and the teams that struggle
figure out way to lose their close games, and that
is a pattern that you have to break. And the
Giants broke that pattern in twenty twenty two. That's how
they made the playoffs. They won a lot of those
close games. Yeah, since then, when they've been a lot

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of these and again they haven't been enough close games.
They've been down too big in some of these games.
They had trouble winning some of these tight, close games.
At the end, Paul and Donnie said a lot there.
But that is something that you eventually do have to fix.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
Speak, no, you did.

Speaker 4 (32:00):
The NFL is gonna be mostly close games, and those
are the close games you gotta win if you're gonna
be successful.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
There's only one philosophical way to look at this, and
that is if you put all the emotion aside, you
put all of the heartbreak aside, you put all of
your frustration aside. You look at it and you go
back to what you were planning for when this schedule
came out, and that was two and two in the
first four games. Well, guess what you're now roer and two.

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You didn't get either of the division games. You now
have to upset the Chiefs. Although Kansas City is zero
and two and they are coming here. You have to
pull that off, which is gonna be a tall task.
No one is going to dispute that it's gonna be
a tall task. But if they should pull that off

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all of a sudden, that's one of the big upsets
of the month in the league. And then they got
the Chargers coming in and you know what.

Speaker 4 (32:53):
Chargers played tonight. We wait to see how they go.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
Gotta see how they go. I mean, Joe Burrow just
got hurt in the Cincinnati game yesterday. Who knows. So
why don't you just call your jets a little bit
and try to think back to the offseason where we said,
if you can split the first four games, that would
be something that you could really chew on. Well, I
hate to say this, it's a tall mountain. The Giants

(33:16):
are in a hole, but they still can split the
first four games. And if you get that all of
a sudden, you can reevaluate.

Speaker 4 (33:24):
And yet it OZ and two historically of about a
twelve percent chance of making the player get it.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
It's tough. It's tough. Believe me. I wanted the two
division games. I remember my dad said to me. My
dad said to me, f when the schedule came out,
he laughed, He goes, Boy, wouldn't it be something if
they lost the first two games and then upset the
Chiefs and the Chargers. I said, Dad, I'd like to
be greedy. Can I get the first two division games?
Can I have those two games instead? Well, it's not
gonna happen. The way you can still get there. You

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just made it a lot harder, exactly. And that's the
only way you can look at it. If you're the
coaches and this team, you have to believe that the
Chiefs zero and two and you're gonna make them ow
and three. You have to believe that. Of course.

Speaker 4 (34:04):
Now, in terms of the two players he mentioned, James Hudson,
you're not gonna let him go. Offensive tackle depth in
this league is way too shallow. But you know what
James Hudson did to himself, and Howard Cross and Krawl
Banks always talk about this, don't let the young guy
on the field, don't give him an opportunity. Well, guess
what Marcus boul got in the field and he played well.
So guess what if Andrew Thomas isn't ready for the

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Chiefs game. I mean they haven't Giants haven't said anything.
I'd be surprised if Marcus Bow's not the starter.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
What is how I would like to say, you get
whally pipped.

Speaker 4 (34:34):
Yeah, and that's what James Hudson did to himself by
playing dumb football on that first drive of the game.
And Paul, don't you agree with if Thomas can't go
next week and we'll see he was doubtful again, I
would if you made mean, like you know, make a
wager right now on it, I would say that BOE's
the starter. Oh, I think you have to.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
You have to get Marcus Bowl ready beginning in today's
practice as the potential start.

Speaker 4 (35:02):
You have to do that because even if you.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Don't, can you trust that Hudson's gonna do what he's
supposed to do even if you give him the start,
can you trust him after what he just did that
that you won't have to pull him out again?

Speaker 4 (35:14):
And then Banks, I was gonna ask what play he
was referring to Donnie specifically on that. I mean there
was one where he kind of cracked in on a
run play and I thought he could have done a
little bit bet of a job trying to make a tackle.
But other than that, he actually made one really nice
play in the whole on a run play in that game.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
I thought Banks played pretty well yesterday. To be honest
with you, Well, do you have six tackles? Eight tackles? Yeah,
I mean it depends where those tackles are.

Speaker 4 (35:39):
No, I don't mean I understand that there was one
play in the run game or where I thought maybe
he could have made a little bit more of an
effort on a tackle, But other than that, I didn't.
I didn't have a huge issue with him necessary by
the way, in the game.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
Sensational game for Drew Phillips. I know, we gave up
a slant on a touchdown and he also had that
DEFENSI pass fairs penalty too.

Speaker 4 (35:57):
So he made some splash plays. But he some bad
moments too.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
As I said to him after the game, every game
it's football, You're gonna have some good and bad. It's
very hard to throw a complete shutout unless you're Dean Sanders. Right.
He made a lot of really good plays yesterday, including
two third down stops in overtime that forced Dallas to
punk the ball twice.

Speaker 4 (36:20):
Yeah, he tackled well, He had that open field tackle
on cavante URP two on that one.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
Terrific and that's not easy to do. No, it's not.

Speaker 8 (36:27):
No.

Speaker 4 (36:27):
I thought Drew falls On all played a good game,
but he did have some plays in there that I'm
sure he would want back today.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
No question, no question he had Yeah, like you said,
he had a pick. He was my defensive MVP of
the game for the Giants.

Speaker 4 (36:37):
By the way, And they didn't really show it early
enough when they showed the replay. Are you sure he
had control of that ball when it rolled on the
ground right in front of me. Was right in front
of me. I don't care what, just alw full speed
when you look at the replay.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
I didn't see the replay until I looked at it
this morning. And when I looked at it this morning,
I was like, I think he had it.

Speaker 4 (36:56):
Try to find the TV copy of it. They didn't
actually show the replay until after like all got finalized
and everything, and I'm like, I think he got it.
But I thought the ball might have rolled on the
ground a little bit, but it was either way, it
was a heck of a pick. It was a great,
great point.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
I don't think there was a question on the old
twenty two. Well, I mean no, because they're not zooming in. No,
you can't see it. Well, I did not look at
the TV copy. I just looked at the coach. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (37:16):
The only way you're gonna be able to see that
is by looking at the TV copy on It's the
only way. All right, let's go to coach Marvin and Delaware.
He's up next, high coach.

Speaker 5 (37:23):
How you guys doing, Hey, coach, Hi, coach, it was
a good game. Yeah, talking about that interception off Phillips,
it was a good interception. It looked incomplete when I
saw it. It touched the ground. The nose of the
ball touched the ground, but he never lost control of
the ball. It didn't move.

Speaker 4 (37:40):
Yeah, I wasn't sure if he had full control then
when it hit the ground. Coach, That's what I'm saying.
But again, I think that's one of those deals. It
was bang bang, and whatever I called on the field
was going to stand.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
Certainly they could return it.

Speaker 5 (37:51):
Yeah, but they it was on the instant replay. They
showed it and he because I thought it was incomplete
because it touched the ground, the nose of the ball
did touch the down. It's like he trapped it on
the ground.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
Right, But the ball never it never moved. That got you.

Speaker 5 (38:06):
That's why they couldn't overturn it.

Speaker 4 (38:08):
Yeah, I only saw the replay once, and I think
they only showed the replay once, so I did not
get a great look at it.

Speaker 5 (38:14):
Yeah, they only showed it once. And I know it's
a tough game to watch. To hear the fans that
fan ain't going nowhere. She's so miserable. Why is he
calling the show and talking about it? If you're not
going to watch the Giants. I mean, that's your preference,
but you're not going I'm telling you. You ain't going anywhere.

Speaker 4 (38:35):
Oh no, but coach, look, I completely get where Donnie
is coming from the Giants, and I didn't go back
and count I can.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
I'm not going to.

Speaker 4 (38:43):
They've started owing to far too much over the last
since twenty thirteen, so that's thirteen seasons, so he started
owing to.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
That's all you have to really do.

Speaker 5 (38:53):
Yeah, I do, but it's still I still have to
say it. John. It's just you're not going anything.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
I got you.

Speaker 5 (38:59):
I understand the frustrations, but you're not jumping off a
building the area.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
What do you have on the game, Coach Frount.

Speaker 5 (39:06):
My thing is everybody played well. I think Marcus Bowl
deserve a lot of credit. You guys were talking about
him to throw the interception in overtime. I would have
liked to see Russell pull that back and stepped to
his left away from Marcus Bow because it was clear
area that he can get into, maybe run the ball

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or find a guy open then, but it looked it
was almost like Paul said, maybe he did. He couldn't
see him because he was in his face, but I
would have liked to see him pulled that ball down.
The guys I thought they played well. The offensive line
I thought played well. Russell played out of his mind.
The receivers outstanding. I think they I think they fooled

(39:51):
the Cowboys because when the last time we seen the
Giants stretch the field that way? So if you gain planning,
you can only game plan. As I used to tell
the players, it's what that coach taught them. He didn't
see us practice, He didn't know what we do, so
I gotta show them something he showed them, and then

(40:12):
the next time when we learned some plays, I'm gonna
show them something that coach never told them was coming.

Speaker 4 (40:18):
Yeah, coach, I want to give credit to Russell Wilson
to rewatching this the Cowboys again, I think they played
one rep of man the whole game.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
They were in zone for most of this game.

Speaker 4 (40:27):
But they were shifting post snap from too high to
single high, from single high to too high. And I
think that's the value of a guy like Russell Wilson
that's seen everything so much. You're not going to fool
him with that type of stuff. Like if you have
a rookie quarterback in the backfield and you got people switching,
you know, single high duel safety alignments post snap and

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rotating into different coverages, that might confuse a younger quarterback.
But Russ knew exactly what the Cowboys were doing on
every play.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
And then this is part of the reason why Russell Wilson,
in addition to his performance, it's part of the reason
why he is the starter and is for the seeable future,
because he gives this team the best chance to weigh.

Speaker 4 (41:07):
I think this is probably gonna quiet that noise down
a little bit.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
I mean, yeah, look at what he did.

Speaker 5 (41:13):
Yeah, he deserves to be playing, and I think it's
best for dark because the season. It's about building dark
It's not to throw him in there and then he's
gonna fail. You're trying to build a quarterback. And I'm
with them when they do that. But some of the
stuff that happened the penalties was sad. It was a
lot of Uh, we didn't play with discipline in this game,

(41:36):
and that's what cost us in this game. I thought,
I thought we didn't play in some certain situational football
on the defensive side. I go back to the we
score with twenty five seconds. I mean, I'm jumping through
the roof after that touchdown by Neighbors. I thought the

(41:57):
defense played a little too soft. I thought, I think
it had to be creative in a sense, like a spag,
and I thought we spags wouldn't sit. I mean, he
wouldn't sind it all up as well. Sometimes he did
do it for hopealist and see you in that situation
because he's not going to give you a chance to
wait for his the receivers to get down.

Speaker 4 (42:19):
Coaching, I don't mind playing an umbrella coverage. Yeah, you
just got to play at fifteen yards closer to the
line of scrimmage.

Speaker 5 (42:24):
Yes, I don't either.

Speaker 8 (42:26):
That's why.

Speaker 5 (42:26):
I said it was a little soft because the corners
one of them was twelve yards back and the other
one was about ten yards.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
Coach. Yeah, the problem is we don't know what the
instruction was, right, we were not in the huddles, so
we don't know exactly what the call was. We can
tell by the formation they were in a shell. It
was a deep shell, There's no doubt about that. But yes,
we can all sit here and say we would like
to have had them tighten that up a bit, but

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we don't know if that was on them, or if
that was on the call, or what exactly was going on.
That's the big was part of this whole thing.

Speaker 4 (43:01):
Yeah, the players could have missed their marks on their drop, but.

Speaker 5 (43:05):
I feel that it wasn't much of a I can't
feel that way because of because of how it was played,
because they wasn't really running anything. They just they just
run nine routes right straight down the middle of the field.
It wasn't like they was running crossing routes. So they're
they're playing back. Yes, what they were doing the sands,
we're not letting you get behind us. They were playing

(43:27):
like we were up seven rather than up three. And
that's the way I saw that.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
No, look, coach, you are you are wrong about that
fair So I played it like you.

Speaker 5 (43:38):
And if you look at the linebackers, they're back there too.
They're not on the line that they're not up close.
So my thing was, if you can bring them a
little closer and then we can run with them and
not let them behind us. Now we got a contested throw,
and I just thought that we played a little too
soft because it was easy of coach.

Speaker 4 (44:00):
We we don't we don't we we do not disagree
and and coach appreciate the call.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
I want to make sure we get to the rest
of the car. Like disagreement I have is that Bobby
ocarri CA's drop was not deep enough. Actually, if he
had played any closer to the line, it wouldn't have
done any good.

Speaker 4 (44:15):
I mean, he was turned out. He was too far up. Well,
wasn't that he was too far up, He was just
on the wrong hash.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
He was to the side. But if he had been deeper,
he would have been able to deflect that ball, he
would have been able to cut. No, no, no, no,
I think so far to the side. It wasn't depth,
it was I think had had he had he had
more depth, I think he could have made a play.

Speaker 4 (44:35):
I don't think I don't think it was a depth problem.
You go back and I would bring it up again.
I'll bring it up again. I do not think that was.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
A depth problem.

Speaker 4 (44:43):
I think it was more of a hanging out on
the wrong hashmark problem without idea he was.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
He was probably three or four steps more to the
right than he should have been, in my opinion, And I.

Speaker 4 (44:53):
Think that, and I think that's why he didn't get there.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
I would like to have seen him be a little deeper.
Let's just put it that way. When we talked about
the Oreo cookie before that was the problem, I thought,
is that you know, you're right. I do think he
was off a little bit, but I would love to
have had him deeper.

Speaker 4 (45:09):
Pretty right, Let's go to Steven long Island. Steve, what's
going on?

Speaker 5 (45:13):
Hey, Paul, Hey John? Hey Jon?

Speaker 9 (45:17):
Hangover other Monday? Yeah, anyway, I just wanted some positives
in the game. I thought played great.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
Yeah, I did. He did have one drop. I did.
I did count the giants for four drops. Three of
them would have been first down conversions. Scataboo had one
of them. I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (45:35):
The stataboo had one, Tracy had one. Did you give
neighbors a neighbors? Neighbors had one, another one another one
on the one by the sideline.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
I gave neighbors one, and I believe I gave Robinson one.
If I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 9 (45:47):
I have to look at I love the way he
ran the ball, anyway he played, I thought he played good,
and bow I thought he played great too. Then they
have two rookies right there like that. Russell played out
of his mind. It would for a great game to
bet it, and we're only going to remember the interception.
But uh, I'm just tired of the losing. You know,
I'm just you know, sixteen out of nineteen games losses.

(46:11):
It's is brutal.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
Man.

Speaker 9 (46:12):
I you know, I'm a die hard. I'm never going
to jump off. I go to one game a year.
That's all I can afford. But I love going to
the games, you know, the Giants. You know, I'm forty
nine years old. You know, I remember when the first
Super Bowl and everything. But I just tied of the frustration.
One point. I just have to make it yet. Daniel Jones,
Tyrod Taylor, Drew Locke, now, Russell Wilson, Tommy DeVito, whoever

(46:35):
you put back there doesn't matter. The one constant, The
one constant is stable and I you know, I know
everybody say he's a great coach, and he may be
very well, but the end is the results, and what's
the results.

Speaker 5 (46:50):
We keep losing?

Speaker 2 (46:52):
Yeah, look, you're not wrong something.

Speaker 9 (46:56):
That's the frustration.

Speaker 4 (46:57):
No, Steve, Look appreciate the call. I totally get were
you're coming from. And yeah, we can get into the
granuality of who played well, who didn't. It was better
than this and was better than that. The bottom line
is that you walked out of the building with a
loss again, and they still have not been Dak Prescott'son's
twenty sixteen. They've so not won in Dallas in twenty sixteen,

(47:19):
and the wheel continues to spin.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
Yeah, it's not good enough. You know what stinks. What
stinks is like, you know, we have to go back
and we have to look at a play that did
not go well, and like John and I are talking about,
well was he a little deep enough or was he
a little bit over or was there an angle he
could have maybe have made to reach and deflect the ball?
You know what when you lose a game. This is

(47:42):
the kind of minutia you do because it just ticks
you off to no end that you know what, if
he was just a little bit there, the players made
you win the game, and you know what, then nobody's
even talking about it. We're not even going back to
review the play. Well, I do it anyway, and John
would have anyway, but we wouldn't be taught talking about it.
But you gotta talk about it, and you gotta turn

(48:03):
your stomach upside down because the team lost steaks. Find
out steaks and trust me, on the sideline, on the
line of scrimmage during the final two minutes of that
game and then watching it over time, trust me, trust me.
You ever seen that that uh? That that mouse? Who's

(48:26):
who's like running the wheel? Hamster? The hamster, the hamster hand,
not the mouse, the hamster. That's the way my stomach
was the whole end of that game.

Speaker 4 (48:35):
I think all of us were. I mean I was
standing up in the studio watching the game next to Tiki.
How about that, Harry, I was standing there, you go.
I mean, the NFL is a game where what separates
two teams usually isn't a ton. Now you got certain games,
or there are big miss masters and stuff, and one

(48:55):
team plays well the other team doesn't, it's a blowout.
But for the most part, you're gonna have games where
one or two or three really big plays, and whether
or not your player makes the player the other team's
player makes the play is good to decide who wins.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
And loses the game.

Speaker 4 (49:08):
And in this particular game, the Cowboys made one or
two more plays more than the Giants did, which allowed
them to come out with a victory.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
You know what's funny, plays of twenty yards or more.
Giants had eight eight of twenty four yards or more
by four different players. Crazy Cowboys had five plays of
twenty yards or more. Who would have funked that right?
That the Giants would have more big plays than Dallas
did well.

Speaker 4 (49:30):
I mean, going into the game we talked about in
the pregame the Dallas secondary was a mess. Kyrie Elam
got murdered.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
Thought they were primed for it.

Speaker 4 (49:36):
Trayvon Diggs does not run like he used to, not
at all, and Deron Blan is not there. No that
secondary for Dallas is going to be a problem. I
didn't think Donovan Wilson played particularly well in coverage either.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
And yet they knew that going in, so they played
zone now in two weeks in a row. It didn't work. No,
you still got eight plays of twenty four yards as
steep as they were playing and as much zone as
they were playing. The Giants actually attacked them, And like
you said earlier, that's something we're not used to see,
right Giants.

Speaker 4 (50:00):
In the past, the Giants would have seen that type
of coverage and checking it down. WI attacked it instead,
which was the difference difference? You give up forty points?
Not enough, Mike and Utica.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
Hi, Mike, we're going guys, what's up?

Speaker 3 (50:19):
A couple of points I wanted to make. I don't.
I'm not going to dwell too much, but I am
somewhat more similar to the first callers. That's just the
losing is just just horrible for a guy like me.
I'm I'm been a fan since the eighties. I it's
so tough to take this is this organization is too
great to be going through year after year after year

(50:39):
like this. It's just truly horrible. I hope we've got
to break through at some point. I hope we can
turn it around. Just depressing. This is a great organization.
We shouldn't be losing like this all the time. A
couple of quick points about the game. I wanted to
see if you guys are also picked up on that. Uh.
As far as the penalties, the officiating, all the penalties

(51:00):
against us totally undiscipline. But you know what, and I
know you guys already said that a lot of those
penalties were the right calls. Don't don't lead that to
make you think that the referees were excellent in this game.
They were not. I don't know if you guys noticed,
but that Pickens Pickens will and he did this at
least on two or three of his catches, subtally, subtly

(51:20):
pushed off the corner on at least three of his catches.
But they got him for one for offensive pass.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
They got him for one.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
They did, they got one. They got one, probably the
least egregious push off all the times Pickens pushed off.
It was almost like a makeup call.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
Michael Lrvin did that his whole career.

Speaker 4 (51:38):
Yeah, honestly, And look, the Cowboys got flight twelve times
for one hundred and six yards.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
They didn't play clean games. No, I mean, between the
two of them two dozen penalties.

Speaker 4 (51:46):
I felt like Dallas had a holding penalty on every
single one of their kick returns, on every single one.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
It was unbelievable. Yeah, I mean, look, I love the
things that I think.

Speaker 3 (51:58):
I think Okay played better. He's actually leading the league
in tackles right now, the leak Neighbors is leading the
league and receiving. Russell Wilson's leading the league in passing.
I mean, I was pretty sure mostly everyone said before
the season that if the Giants are going to be
competitive this year, the defense is going to have to
keep us in games. Well, it seems like it's working
out the exact opposite. But it's nice to see o

(52:20):
kaa kay kind of rounding back in the form. I
thought Dexter was a little bit better yesterday. Ye he
was the Week one as he was a little bit
better yesterday. And then the last thing I want to
talk about is James Hudson. There's over I mean, there's
over three hundred offensive linemen in the NFL, and I know,
you know, we're we can't trust the word Pro Football

(52:42):
Focus says, but they ranked James Hudson dead last amongst
all offensive linemen last year. What exactly did Joe Shane
think he was getting digning James Hudson. I mean, it's
it's tough to believe he sabotaged the first drive. And
I don't know. I wouldn't. I wouldn't, I don't know.

(53:05):
I mean, Shane, he's been bad. He's been bad guys.
He blew the entire twenty twenty three draft. Most of
his free agent signings have not hanned out. He's been
bad guys, And I'll take the answer off the year.

Speaker 4 (53:17):
Thank you though, thank you, Mike. I don't know what
the question was. I think that was more of a statement,
but yeah, that's your opinion. I don't think that's necessarily fair.
I think that GERMAINA. Lumino has been a tremendous free
agent signing. He's been great. Other guys haven't been as effective.
I get that some draft picks have been good, and
so draft picks haven't. That happens, but look, we are

(53:38):
where we are, and the Giants are owing two and
they now need to win Week three against Kansas City
because that's it. I'll give it next week. I'm not
gonna give it yet. I don't want to depress people,
but your chances of making the players if you start
owing three infinitesimal.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
Yeah, so that's true. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, you have
to win this week. They need to shock the world
because the world is not going to give them a
chance against the Chiefs, especially now with the Chiefs are
going too so they'll need to shock the world. And
if they do, I hope everybody calls up on Monday
and has a really good time. Well we'll see.

Speaker 4 (54:14):
I haven't seen what the folks out west have have
given in terms of the what that number will look like.
But the Chiefs have not played well, so their offense
does not look right. Their defense is still good with spags,
but we'll see how that goes. Let's go to Landing, Columbia, Maryland.
You will wrap us up today, high Land.

Speaker 8 (54:31):
Hey, guys, Well, frustrating, yep, tough loss, yep. Yeah. I
was standing up for the whole fourth quarter in front
of my TV trying to figure out what they should
do next. But you know what, guys, Look, I thought
there was improvement yesterday from every unit. Can it get better?
Yeah it can't, but I think that's where defensive Look,

(54:54):
you guys know, there's a lot of losses coming, guys,
there's a lot.

Speaker 3 (54:59):
Of loss is coming.

Speaker 8 (55:01):
I'm the original. We're a year away from being a
year away from the playoffs. We saw some positive things yesterday.
I liked the way they played. Were there some mistakes?

Speaker 3 (55:13):
You know?

Speaker 2 (55:15):
You know?

Speaker 8 (55:16):
Do we need better line line blocking? Offensive line blocking?
Do you think the running backs left anything on the
field yesterday?

Speaker 2 (55:22):
Paul, I thought the running game was sporadic. I would
like to have seen it more consistent. I would like
to have seen them do better with it. However, with
the passing game doing so well, John, I can't fault them.
And I've said this before. I don't want Russell Wilson
throwing the ball thirty seven times or whatever.

Speaker 4 (55:41):
It is a game, But I don't think there was
a ton of space in the running game that the
running backs didn't No. No, I thought it was okay,
and in spots they did what they had to do.
But Wilson was having so much success of slicing up
their defense with the pass.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
I'll be frank with you did not have trouble when
the game was over saying well, they should have run
the ball a whole lot more or a whole lot better.

Speaker 4 (56:06):
Running backs in the game had seventeen carries for sixty
four yards.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
I mean we you know, well Wilson was doing it.
How could you argue with that success?

Speaker 8 (56:20):
Yeah, all right, I'll take that. What did you think
about the run blocking?

Speaker 2 (56:27):
Eh, it's all right, thank you, it's all right. I
want it to be better. Yeah, but it was all
right better.

Speaker 8 (56:34):
Yeah, it's got to get a little better, sure it does.
You know, I thought the past blocking was okay.

Speaker 4 (56:39):
No pass blocking was good. Past passing, this game, for
the most part was gone.

Speaker 8 (56:42):
I thought, just is my here. You guys might have
a different word. I thought the run game was abysmal
when the blocking was terrible. It's maybe it's not next week,
maybe it's not the week after that or the week
after that. But we got to start thinking about I mean,
if if Van Roten is going to run block like this,

(57:06):
you gotta look to make a change. You got to
look to make a change. I'm not sure Van.

Speaker 4 (57:12):
Rodan was the biggest culprit in this game necessarily, to
be honest with you, but I hear what you're saying,
well did.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
For six first downs?

Speaker 8 (57:20):
Upson who was a bigger who is.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
Running?

Speaker 4 (57:24):
I thought had some issues getting pushed into the backfield
on a few plays in the game.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
Yeah, when Shack he gave up. Wasn't too good either on.

Speaker 8 (57:31):
The Yeah, yeah, well, I mean it's it's it's just
I mean, but again, it's not there. I think we
got a guy in in in bowl. Look, I hope
the young man is over, but you can't put him
on the field on Sunday. They can't put Hudson out there.
It has to be both.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
No, we agree. I think we're with you on yeah.
But let's make something clear, Land. For all that we
have done to beat up the offensive line, deservedly so
for a long time, the offensive line was far far
from being a culprit. And yesterday's game, right, And that's
the point. So if you want to be down on them,
and you want to, you know, keep kicking away, be

(58:12):
my guest. I'm not going to listen to it.

Speaker 4 (58:14):
How boys had two sacks, the Giants do it? Oh,
drop back to pass over forty times and threw for
four hundred yards.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
I mean, come on, you you know the list of
culprits here, and those guys are not.

Speaker 8 (58:26):
At the time, it's the run blocking that disturbs me.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
But then, idear you, but they start and.

Speaker 8 (58:31):
You think back to you know, we you know, we
thought Barkley was cooked. Maybe it was the offensive line
and not Barkley. I mean, you know these no.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
We knew that was the case.

Speaker 8 (58:41):
Then scatter bowls. Scatter Bow is going to be glad
he's on our team. I'm glad he's getting some plays.
He's not a full time guy. He's not, and the
chances of him getting banged up is going to be
you know, it's going to be pretty clear. You begin
to wonder whether these running backs are pedestrian and nature.
I mean, we can't run the ball. I mean it's
you know, along the offensive one. Look, let me let

(59:03):
me go back to Hudson for a second. I'm not
surprised at this performance. All you need in the first
quarter yesterday. Let me let me talk about another first quarter.
You can check back and tell me if I'm wrong.
The first preseason game against Buffalo, the first drive was
just like our first drive yesterday. Just I got first
drive yesterday. We ran eighteen plays in gain sixty yards

(59:25):
and Hudson. Hudson was called for three or four penalties?

Speaker 2 (59:28):
Yes, was that?

Speaker 8 (59:30):
You want to tell me it's preseason, It's it's it's okay.
Let let's find out if this guy is okay first,
all right, and and and take that that that sideline
tirade was, you know, I mean, he's just wonder. I
hope the kid's okay. All right, but listen, he is
pedestrian as possible. He's a third tackle. We call him

(59:55):
a swing. I'm not a film guy like you guys are.
I'm not even, but I try to watch twelve to
fifteen plays of everybody they bring in if I can
find it. If I can find it, looks he's better
at left tackle than he isn't right. He's better at
left and he isn't right, believe it or not. He
can't run block, can't run block. He's inconsistent. I don't

(01:00:17):
know what I think what Joe saw, what Shane saw.
To answer the other caller guys, I think he saw
Hudson's tenacity.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
Yeah, I think that was part of it. Intillgible, definite.

Speaker 8 (01:00:29):
But yesterday, no, you know, so what I mean, listen,
we gotta have takeaways. Everybody in the defensive backfield yesterday
played an okay game. I thought the safety's played better
if eton was in single coverage on Ferguson that that
that's not the right call. Guys, I've been I've been

(01:00:51):
saying this for three years. I believe me. I like Belton,
I'm glad that he's on this team. But if you're
playing three safeties Belton's okay. If you put Belton in
man coverage, you're gonna get beat. You're gonna get beat.
He's not a man coverage guy.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
We got a run team.

Speaker 8 (01:01:09):
Were they and three deeply yesterday? On that play to Ferguson,
do you know.

Speaker 4 (01:01:12):
John, Wait, you mean the one at the end of
the game, the one at the end of the game.
I think it was quarters they were they were to shell.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
Yeah, yeah, okay, it was zone coverage on that last play.

Speaker 8 (01:01:22):
Okay, is let me be god, just say one yeah
real quick. The Beat's gotta ask this guy. I gotta
ask they will what what what was he thinking after
the Phillips interception?

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
No, they asked him why he went first?

Speaker 8 (01:01:41):
Was on the road. It's the start of the second half.
The big play out of Phillips. We got great field position,
we move the ball down the field. You stop the
Cowboys on their first drive of the second half. Take
the points. Take the point somebody's got to ask him

(01:02:03):
about that. A few plays later, when we were down
there again, he kicked Wait.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
Wait, we gotta go because coach is about to talk
and he's going to have his presser, and we got
to get to the presser. All right, we gotta go then,
be well. I just do want to mention uh for
his career, James Hudson, for his penalties, just so we're
aware to put it in perspective. Coming into this season,
he had played forty nine games and been called for

(01:02:30):
fourteen penalties Uh, seven full starts and two holes, so
he has not necessarily been a penalty magnet during his career.
Just perspective.

Speaker 4 (01:02:41):
Yeah, and I think my initial reaction was was kicked
the field goal there?

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
I don't know what you thought.

Speaker 4 (01:02:46):
Watching the game live there, I felt that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
Way, But then I also understood where here. I totally listened.

Speaker 4 (01:02:50):
And then by the way they called the play and
Scatterbal was the ball in his hands, he's got to
catch it. He dropped it, so you should have had
the first down, first and goal. So I can't get
upset about that first and goal.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
They called the right play and they should have been caught. Yep.
Totally agree. All right, we got coach, folks, we gotta
go do Coach.

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