Big Blue Kickoff Live 9/16 | Final Thoughts on Week Two

Lance Medow and John Schmeelk give their final thoughts on the week two matchup with the Dallas Cowboys, discuss the offensive line, and take calls from fans.

0:00 - Cowboys review

20:00 - Calls

35:00 - Offensive line

47:00 - More on the Cowboys

51:00 - More calls

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(01:07):
to unpack and unravel with respect to Sunday's heartbreaker in Dallas.
Will also start to look ahead. Brian Dabeles spoke to
the media the other day as well as Wandel Robinson
and Javon Holland no major takeaways. Dable said he wasn't
going to update any injury news until he meets with
the media on Wednesday, so there's nothing to provide from

(01:29):
that standpoint. Clearly, the most notable development is Darius Muissow,
backup linebacker who was replacing Mike McFadden, suffered a concussion
left early in the game, so he and all likelihood
will be in concussion protocol entering this week's contest against
the Kansas City Chiefs. I know Paul and John covered
a lot in terms of their perspective from the game yesterday.

(01:51):
I want to weigh in in my thoughts in terms
of what led to the forty to thirty seven loss
in overtime, and it was a back at fourth affair,
and I think it was a huge step in the
right direction from an offensive standpoint with respect to the
tally and most important the explosive plays. But one of
the things that Brian Dable emphasized on his media call

(02:12):
the other day, and I'm a big proponent of this,
and I think if you look at the difference between
the opener against the Commanders versus what happened against Dallas
is its matchup driven production. The idea that well, the
explosive plays are here this week, so therefore that is
going to be an indication of signs yet to come.

(02:33):
I wouldn't go so far. I think the Giants, and
they deserve credit, took advantage of a Dallas secondary that
is hammered by injuries, was down one of its best
corners in Deron Bland, and clearly had miscues across the board.
Because the bulk of the Giants deep touchdowns, and this
is not taking anything away from them. You have to
capitalize and take advantages. They were running straight lines, uninhibited,

(02:55):
no cornerback, no safeties, disrupting routes at all and Malik Neighbors,
Wandel Robinson straight to the end zone. Russell Wilson, we
know his mo is the deep ball, and they were
able to capitalize. But Kansas City doesn't have the same
personnel as Dallas, nor do the Chargers, So to assume
that that's going to be a staple every single week.

(03:17):
I don't know if I would necessarily go so far,
but a huge positive sign in terms of the explosiveness
on offense. However, a lot of that is overshadowed by penalties,
and a lot of them over the course of the game.
Is John Schmelk joins me. We teased you off the top.
We said it's possible there would be a co host

(03:37):
on this program, and we delivered on that front. But
as John gets settled, one of the biggest storylines from
this game is clearly the fourteen penalties for one hundred
and sixty yards, and I made a whole list of
them and I broke it down on social media if
you want to check it out, and really, I mean
hours take across the board. It took mee the Lathy

(03:58):
time to get through that lectually for both teams because
both teams had twenty of penalties. Dallas had twelve, so
they weren't necessarily innocent in all of this, but at
least from the Giants perspective, which our audience is far
more interested in. You had seven on offense, six on defense,
one on special teams. Nine came in the first half
of the four team that were accepted. Six were on

(04:21):
the opening drive, and then five came in the second half,
and you had three false starts, you had three unnecessary roughness,
you had two roughing the passer, you had two pass interference,
but once again all across the board, four against James Hudson.
Of course on that opening drive Drew Phillips was hit
with two. And then here's another key factor to wait here, John,

(04:43):
Remember fourteen go down as accepted, but they also had
three that were declined Caughter, offside banks, illegal contact, Holland
pass interference, and they had three on the scene.

Speaker 5 (04:53):
That were offset that were offset.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
They had twenty penalties in the game by the c
D lamb unsportsmanlike conduct penalty.

Speaker 5 (04:59):
I mention that yesterday, it's a lot of pen So.

Speaker 4 (05:02):
It goes to the point where I guess the box score.
Even though it's a high volume, I would argue it
doesn't necessarily tell the whole story in terms of the
disruption from start to finishing the game. And hey, listen,
they still score thirty seven points regardless of all of that.
But John, you and I have talked about this over
the years in different contexts, for all different types of games.

(05:25):
It's about timing, it's about when you're hit with these penalties.
And there's also I would argue a cumulative effect which
may not show up in the moment, but is eventually
going to take a toll sooner rather than later, whether
it being favorable field positioning that you're giving up to
the Cowboys, and with the way Brandon Aubrey kicks the ball,

(05:46):
which is unlike really any other kicker we've seen, at
least in recent history. You know, he's hovering around that
mid way line, he's in field goal range. So when
you commit even a five yard penalty, John, it easily
could come back to bite you. And I think that
hurt the Giants in the long run on multiple fronts.

Speaker 6 (06:04):
Look, look I went through the pol rigmarole and why
they lost yesterday. But yeah, look, penalties, not getting key
stops when you need them, giving up explosive plays, only
one takeaway in the game, so and they didn't capitalize
off of that correct turn to zero points off of
that dailures in the red zone. You know, these were
all issues that come up. And to your point, whenever
you play a game where it goes into overtime and

(06:26):
you lose by a field goal, Every little small play
can make a big difference and be the difference between
win or loss. It's just the way it goes.

Speaker 4 (06:33):
Yeah, and that, unfortunately is the fine line that really
every NFL team walks. You look at, ninety five percent
of games are decided by seven points or less. So
the Giants are not necessarily an exception to that rule.
But this was a positive development John from an offensive standpoint,
and you figure, I think if you go through any

(06:53):
game you say your offense is going to score thirty
seven points, I think you liked your chances to a
be in the game and b walk away with a victory.
But NFC East games are cut from a very different cloth.
As we know that there's been even though the Cowboys
have dominated this series as of late, there also have
been a number of close games that have come down

(07:14):
to the wire with a field goal here or a
first down there, and both teams have been on opposite
sides of that spectrum. But you just you can't afford
in crunch time to make those mental mistakes, and the
interception unfortunately gave the Cowboys extreme favorable field positioning. All
they had to do was get a Dak Prescott run
to set Brandon Aubrey up for the win. And you know,

(07:36):
even if you go back John and you look at
the other possessions. And I was listening to Brian Schohnenheimer's
press conference yesterday when he looked at the film and
he said, it is extremely unusual for both teams to combine.
Think about this. They had five possessions in overtime in
that game on Sunday. That really is that's unheard of.
They each exchanged two possessions and then Dallas got the

(07:59):
third and ultimately got into field goal range. But let's
not overlook the fact that New York had two possessions
and unfortunately Russell Wilson lost grasp of the football, and boy,
that play could have been far worse than it turned
out to be. I mean, kudos to camp Scataboo for
chasing after that ball to not giving Dallas an opportunity

(08:20):
to recover it. That put them behind the eight ball.
And here's the cumulative effect once again, of the penalties
they show up in the first quarter. If you don't
all of a sudden put an end to it, they're
gonna hover around in the third quarter. And then when
overtime comes into play and so forth, and all of
these little things. I mean, there's a lot of people
that are gonna point to the interception that made or

(08:43):
broke this game. I would argue there's seventeen other things
that we could put into the microscope as to why
the Giants were on the wrong end of this. And
it hurts even more because now they're zero to two
in the division, and John, as we talked about, the
schedule doesn't get any easier with the Chiefs and the
Chargers on the horizon and there's a Kansas City team
in a bit of uncharted territory at oh to two.

(09:05):
Not to say that if they were one and one
they were gonna treat this game any differently, but I
think the approach for the Chiefs in primetime is, hey,
we're coming on the road. We lost two close games.
We know that we need to write the ship or
else we're gonna put ourselves in a precarious spot in
a much more challenging division. So as if this game

(09:26):
wasn't tough enough on paper, now all of a sudden, John,
you welcome in Andy Reid's club that is foaming at
the mouth because they know they were there so close
in their first two games.

Speaker 6 (09:38):
Yeah, and look, now you've got two teams that are desperate. Right,
you start oh and two, you got it. I think
in a twelve percent chance, give or take of making
the postseason. You go to oh and three, it becomes
you need to break out the decimal points to find
the percent chance you have of making the postseason. So
it gets small and both teams are gonna be desperate.
The thing about the Chiefs lance is that right now

(09:59):
they do not have the off to run away from people.

Speaker 5 (10:01):
Even last year.

Speaker 6 (10:02):
When they won fifteen games, they played an extraordinarily amount
of close games.

Speaker 4 (10:07):
Yep.

Speaker 6 (10:07):
So that's a game where you're playing a team like
the Chiefs. If you make the smallest mistake or give
them the biggest opening, they will take. Or give them
the smallest opening, they will take advantage of it. And
even though it might not be like you know, Patrick
Mahomes the Tyreek Hill from five years ago, for an
ader touchdown catch, they will figure out a way to
make you pay. And for the most part, it has

(10:29):
not happened so far this year. If it's a close game,
there's a good chance Patrick Mahomes is going to figure
out way to win it. So you have to play
clean football. You're going against a really good defensive quarter
in Sea Spagnolo. This is the stuff that has to
be cleaned up if you want to go out there
and win football games against good football teams. And we
said that at the start of the year, right, this

(10:50):
schedule was very hard. If the Giants were going to succeed,
they would have to win close games. And to win
close games you have to take advantage of the opportunities.
We talked about the red zone opportunities, not to advantage
of the takeaway things like that Cowboys were three of
three in the red zone. They did not keep them
out of the end zone in this game for the
most part. So those are this. You want to play

(11:10):
perfect football, but you have to play good, solid, close
to mistake free football. And fourteen penalties for one hundred
and sixty yards, one for three and one for five,
one for five in the red zone and one for seven.

Speaker 4 (11:24):
Now on the season, by the way.

Speaker 6 (11:25):
You can't have that, and you have to. They haven't
won the turnal for battle in either one of the
first two games either. They haven't lost it to their credit,
but they've been even but they've been even Those are
the types of things that swing games. And if you
want to go out there and beat a Chiefs team,
Patrick Mahomes has never started only two before, He has
never lost three straight games before. He has done that

(11:46):
now dating back to the Super Bowl last year. If
you want to go from season to season, if you
want to count that, this would be a fourth straight
loss for him.

Speaker 4 (11:53):
That's not what the Chiefs do. So you're gonna have.

Speaker 6 (11:55):
To come out and play a great game on Sunday
to win a great game, not just a good game,
not just an OK game. You need all three phases
for your team to go out there and play high
level football. If you want to beat Patrick Mahomes, let's
see if they can do it.

Speaker 4 (12:11):
One of the things I was talking about John before
you came in, and I think this is a fair
conversation here in the wake of the loss of the Cowboys,
and Brian Dable touched on this a little bit. But
the old cliche, and I know a lot of people
are tired of hearing about it, is it's a week
to week league, But there is extreme amount of validity
behind it because you're going to go up against different defenses.

(12:32):
I'm glad you brought up Spags. Spags, as Giants fans know,
has a tremendous track record and is very crafty. And
even though their offense Kansas City is in a sort
of feel it out process, their defense still has done
a really nice job against the opposition. Excell Okay, they
could get pressure, you know, they could bottle you up,
and they could even keep a team like the Eagles

(12:54):
on their toes. So you can't go into that Chiefs
game thinking Neighbors and Wandel Robinson are going to run
straight lines beyond the chief secondary. And I think that
Chiefs defense is a far more beneficial from continuity, okay,
because they've been together much more so than some of
the Dallas personnel. And I just think they're a better

(13:15):
textbook overall defense because Spags once again has been pressing
the buttons for the last few years. Matt Eberflus's brand new.
So you talked about not making the mental mistakes. You
talked about finding a way to win the close game,
you know, play that near perfect contest. But you also
can't roll over and say, well, the Giants are gonna

(13:36):
be toying with thirty some odd points against Kansas City.
And if you lower John the point tally, then that
margin for error it's smaller, right that we were just
talking about. Forget smaller. I mean you get to the
point where it's a minute amount is what I like
to refer to.

Speaker 5 (13:50):
And again I'll do this more Casius on Thursday.

Speaker 6 (13:52):
I haven't looked at all any of the advanced numbers
yet or anything, but I know enough about Steve Spagnolo
to know how he approaches these games. And I'll have
to look to see how he did against Russell Wilson
in his four games, and he was in Denver when
he played THEFC West those two years. I have now
gone back and looked at it yet. But here's what
I know about Steve Spagnolo.

Speaker 4 (14:10):
He is going to.

Speaker 6 (14:10):
Pressure the quarterback. If he can't get there with four,
he's gonna bring five. Can't get there with five, he's
gonna bring six. He can't bring them come there with six,
he's gonna bring seven. That's what he does. He will
blit zero you. And I think what helped set Russell
Wilson up for success against the Dallas Cowboys last week
is Mattieberflus does not blitz. I think he had six

(14:31):
or seven blitzes in the entire game and forty five
dropbacks for Russe Wolfson, whatever it was, and that allowed him,
without the Cowboys having a dominant pass rusher because of
the trade of Michael Parsons, to sit back there and
be pretty comfortable in the pocket. The Giants offensive line
did a great job blocking Dallas's four rushers.

Speaker 5 (14:50):
For most of the game.

Speaker 4 (14:51):
But on the one Russell Wilson interception, what happened on
that play? He got pressured.

Speaker 6 (14:57):
Yep, his left tackle, Marcus Bowlk kind of got pushed
into and he threw off his back foot ball got.

Speaker 4 (15:03):
Intercepted right Wilson on Wilson.

Speaker 5 (15:05):
By the way, Wilson on Wilson violence absolutely correct.

Speaker 6 (15:08):
After Wilson and the other Wilson did a lot of
violence that Donovan Wilson earlier in the game throw yeah, correct,
So now can Russell Wilson And we talked about this
in the offseason, LANs I gave you the numbers when
we were on the show together. He was a different quarterback,
kept clean versus under pressure last year. Okay, it's different
for all quarterbacks. For him, it was really, really, really

(15:31):
divergent in terms of the type of quarterback he was
when pressured versus kept clean. We're talking top ten clean
bottom three pressured. That's how big the difference was. Can
he and the Giants offense repeat that performance when he
gets pressured? Now, if you have to force the Chiefs
to send a lot of extra guys in blitz when

(15:51):
he's pressured, that'll give you the advantage because then you
have single coverage outside Malik Neighbors.

Speaker 4 (15:56):
You're gonna trust to get the ball.

Speaker 6 (15:58):
To him one on one against any even though the
Chiefs have some good corners. Tret McDuffie's a really good player.
You're gonna trust League nambers to win those matchups. But
Ken Russell Wilson execute that, And I think that, to
me is the biggest challenge this week. When the Chiefs
bring their blitz packages, and trust me, they're going to
bring them. Can the Giants passing game function the way

(16:22):
it did against Dallas, who failed Yoka. Dallas' pressure numbers
in the game they were okay, Like overall, I think
they're over at like thirty five percent. You watched that game,
you didn't feel pressure from Dallas was not overwhelming at all,
I'm starting to be a little liriar of some of
these analytics websites and their pressure numbers, because I feel
like they were more accurate two or three years ago.

Speaker 4 (16:41):
Different sites to use different metrics on it.

Speaker 6 (16:43):
But you watch that game and you just don't have
a feel that the Cowboys were really in the backfield
bothering Russell Wilson.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
Mutch.

Speaker 6 (16:49):
Well, guess what Chiefs are gonna bother them this week,
and we'll see if that giant passing game with that
pressure with those blitzers is gonna be as effective.

Speaker 4 (16:56):
I actually I just did a quick review. Let me say,
twenty sacks for the Chiefs in the four Russell Wilson starts.

Speaker 5 (17:03):
That's what I'm talking about over those I didn't even
look it up.

Speaker 4 (17:05):
Yeah, of twenty two and twenty three, and Russ started
all four of those games he dated. Ok, yep, he
started all four now number one one at the end
of the second right, but it was early enough we're
talking about they actually they met the Chiefs twice in
the span of three weeks in that second year, so
he got them early out of season week six, in
week eight, and they won the last matchup twenty four
to nine. But you're talking about he's been sacked four

(17:28):
or six times.

Speaker 6 (17:29):
In each of the four starts Russ in that game
year and ten. The other just twelve of nineteen was
that one twenty four.

Speaker 4 (17:35):
Won fourteen fourteen, Sorry, and they won that game in
six sacs. Yep, that was the twenty four points in
that game. My guess is they either got a take
take away or the run game was clicking. I'm bringing
it up right now, Williams.

Speaker 5 (17:49):
That year.

Speaker 4 (17:49):
Let's see down.

Speaker 5 (17:50):
Let me look at them the total numbers. What do we
got here in that game? Keep going, keep going down,
it'll pop up there we go. What do we have
on the run game for the Broncos in that game?

Speaker 4 (18:00):
Him for eighty five?

Speaker 6 (18:02):
We had to have been takeaways in that game because
based on my cursory math here one fifteen, one forty four,
the Bronx had about two hundred and fifty five yards
of offense in that game. So I'm not exactly sure
how they got the twenty four points.

Speaker 4 (18:14):
I only want to see turnovers. Kansas City turned it
over five to that's your answer.

Speaker 5 (18:18):
That'll do.

Speaker 7 (18:18):
Yeah, So that okick math, Yeah, and that would explain
why they held the Chiefs to only nine points, so
and a short field that I'm sure set up a
few touchout because I'm look at Russell Wolfson.

Speaker 4 (18:32):
He had three touchdown passes from four, eleven and six yards,
so they didn't really have to march down the field.
I don't want to get.

Speaker 6 (18:38):
Too much into that game, but to me, just very
early on on the cursory, look at those two the
Giants and then the Chiefs, that would be the thing
that would concern me the most if I'm a Giants
fan heading into that game.

Speaker 4 (18:47):
Well, and I think it's relevant before we open up
the lines. Yeah, the one thing that I guess maybe
bothered it's too strong of a word, but when Brian
Dable was speaking to the media, a lot of the
reporters John if you noticed, they were pressing him about, well,
what you saw in the Dallas game, what makes you
think that it's going to continue? Or what signs? And
he kept answering, and I'm sure to many he was
providing a boring answer, but I actually looked at it

(19:09):
as it's the only sensible answer, and that is you
really can't take much away because they're going to be
attacking a completely different defense the following week, So they
took advantage of a Dallas secretary that clearly was not
on the same page. And that's what the NFL's about.
But to assume that the big bombs are gonna come
the following week and then the Chargers are going to

(19:29):
pose a completely different challenges. We saw last night what
they did to Gino Smith and they completely shut down
that Raiders offense. So saying well, it happens against Dallas
is going to happen again the following week, I just
don't think that there's enough of an indication. So it's
more of a reason why the Giants like they headed
into the season thinking you're gonna have to have a

(19:50):
pathway that is versatile in terms of how you attack
certain teams and how you plan on winning, because the
Dallas game plan, I think is more of an outlier
than and more of a norm, at least when it
comes to twenty twenty five. All right, let's open up
the phone lines as we move forward here on Tuesday's
edition of BBKL lan's Meto. John Schmelk with you here

(20:10):
and it is presented by Cadillac, the official luxury vehicle
of the New York Football Giants, and we start off
the festivities with Kevin in North Carolina. Kevin, welcome aboard.
What do you got for us?

Speaker 8 (20:23):
Hey, guys, can you hear me?

Speaker 5 (20:24):
Gotcha?

Speaker 4 (20:25):
Yep?

Speaker 5 (20:28):
Do you hear us?

Speaker 4 (20:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (20:30):
Points the game, and I just wanted a question for
you guys. Yeah, so, you know, just a couple of points.
I wanted to make, you know, I wanted to talk
about that drive where the Cowboys took the lead with
that George Pickens touchdown before we scored with Neighbors at
the end of the game, and we were at a
fourth and five or actually it was a fourth and three.
You know, we couldn't we couldn't get off the field

(20:51):
right there. You know, there was another point early game,
fourth and five. You know, we couldn't get off the field.
You know, there was a run where Javonte I believe
it was second and twenty nine and we give up
about a twenty one yard run to Williams right there.
Miss tackles. Uh, even that touchdown he had that thirty
yard touchdown. We had multiple broken tackles. You know, I

(21:14):
think Deanti Banks got to take a weed at an angle,
couldn't get him. You know, had another aren't broken tackle.
He just ran at thirty yards to the end zone.
So again, you know, I think just you know, very
bad execution right there in terms of tackling and you know,
lack of awareness, especially with those penalties. You know that
we've been that you hasn't mentioned, you know as well
as you know. I think the biggest turning point in
this game was when we get the turnover that Drew

(21:37):
Phillips interception. You know, we we go for on fourth
and two, Scataboo drops the ball.

Speaker 6 (21:41):
It was a drop that was absolutely that was absolutely right.
That was absolutely the turning point.

Speaker 4 (21:46):
I agree with you.

Speaker 6 (21:46):
Scataby should have caught the ball. My initial reaction was
to kick the field goal there. But I can't really
get on Brian David when he calls a play that
gets you the first down if your player just catches
the football. So the play was set up, it worked,
he should have caught it. And you know, we look
back and you see how many points were scored in
the game, and yet it's easy to say, well, if

(22:08):
you look back when you have three points to the Giants,
point total might be different. You know, the Cowboys are
maybe calling timeouts on that final giants drive a hole.
Theyre going to play that a whole lot differently than
to the game if the score is a little bit different.

Speaker 4 (22:19):
But again, knowing that you had forty one points.

Speaker 6 (22:23):
Scored in the fourth quarter of this game, which is
just a ridiculous number, I get why you would want
to have the seven there instead of just settling for three.

Speaker 4 (22:33):
Well, the entire approach changes if we go down this
hypothetical road. That's why the math is not so simple
in the NFL. But the other reason why I would
agree that I think it was a major turning point
in the game is you also go back to Dallas
had the final possession of the first half, and because
of bad clock management, they didn't have a chance to
send Aubrey out there, which in all likelihood would have

(22:54):
been clearly a legitimate field goal for him. And once
again we could play basic math. It doesn't mean Dallas
in regulation. The whole point is they could have very
well had a chance to double dip John is what
I'm getting it right. You give them points at the
end of the second quarter, then they know they're getting
possession back to start the third. So they didn't get
points at the end of the second, you took away

(23:14):
a possession to start the half, and then what happened?
You walk away with no points and then they wind
up responding with a six play ninety yard drive. So
just in terms of the flow of the game, it
was almost as if, to use the famous Denny Green
quote when he was the Cardinals head coach, you know,
we let the Cowboys off the hook, and that's exactly
what happened, I think from the end of the second

(23:36):
quarter to the early mid stages of the third.

Speaker 8 (23:40):
Yeah, definitely, And I just wanted to make one more
quick point than a quick question. I'll take it off
to the ara, you know. And then look at that
last drive right there before it goes to overtime, and
there watching the game with my dad, and you know,
I'm seeing the you know, the position that o'careke and
Belton aren't excuse me, and I'm I'm just wondering to myself,
you know, why are we giving them that much cushion

(24:01):
in space to just throw the ball down the field?
You know, hit Ferguson right there when we know, dang well,
they have the best picker in the league. Like, you know,
I just don't understand why we were just playing those
soft you know coverage right there and not you know,
just being more online with Titans spaces to not give up,
you know, a twenty yard pass down the field, you know,
let it come underneath, make the tackle, you know, walk

(24:21):
away with the victory. And then my question that I
had was, you know, I think Marcus Bow played really
well this past game, and you know, if Andrew Thomas
isn't ready slash even if he is ready, but they
kind of you know, if he with him not one
hundred percent, would you you know, sit him another extra
couple of games because bo played well, or would you
you know, you would you want him out there if
he's he's ready to go, but not even one hundred percent,

(24:43):
like let's say he's eighty to ninety, No.

Speaker 4 (24:45):
I can't.

Speaker 6 (24:45):
Yeah, having good questions, Look, I would treat Andrew Thomas
the same way I did before.

Speaker 4 (24:51):
You bring him back when he's ready.

Speaker 6 (24:52):
When you have a guy coming back back from that
series of an injury lands that you know they sound
to a big contract.

Speaker 5 (24:57):
You know they wanted me a long term to be there, all.

Speaker 6 (25:00):
Pro left tackle, Pro Bowl left tackle, You bring him
back when you're confident he's good to go and can
recover well from these games, so you can have him
every week, and whether Bowl plays well or somebody else
doesn't play well, I think that's what you have to
do when you're in this situation. So I don't change

(25:21):
my strategy on that. I do think bow would start
next week if they need him given, And that's the
punishment to James Hudson. Never give the young guy a
chance to play right, and that's what he did the
old Wally Pip situation. So that's kind of how I
look at it here. And then on the other side, Yeah,
it was bad defense on that play. I don't know
if it's execution get or that's what I doubt that's
what Chamberlin told him to do, to drop back all

(25:41):
those yards and give up a field goal.

Speaker 5 (25:43):
But yeah, the defense on that play has to be better.

Speaker 4 (25:46):
It certainly has. I mean, on the flip side, I
thought Dak made a really great throw between at least
it may have not been tight, but there were three
defenders in the vicinity in which Ferguson secured that. And
we know going back, listen, when Jason Winning was running
routes okay for the Cowboys, they ran a similar one.
There was actually a game, and this is not to

(26:06):
pour salt in the wounds of Giants fans when Jason
Winning caught a game winning touchdown John if you remember
at the end of one of the games. I forget
which year it was, so you know, that's a signature
Dallas Cowboy play. Whether it is Mike McCarthy, Jason Garrett,
Brian Schannenheimer, you name it, Tony Romo, Dak Prescott. They
lean heavily on the tight end over the middle of

(26:28):
the field because of the size and the role they
play within the offense. So I mean, I look at
that as I think you could say, hey, tighter coverage,
But at the same time, that was a well executed
play from an offensive standpoint. And let's face it, Brandon Aubrey,
he probably was gonna make that field goal from seventy
yards out if you look that had a few more

(26:50):
yards in which it went over the crossbar. I mean,
that's just the type of leg that this guy has.
Doesn't mean you don't want to make it easier on him. Okay,
you want to make it more challenging. But if you
watch the landing spot of that kick, even if Ferguson
caught the ball three or four yards a little bit
further up the field, closer to Dak. I don't know

(27:10):
in the long run if it really would have made
or break the outcome of that game. Let's head back
to the phone lines. We got another Kevin, coach Kevin
in Arizona with us. What's happened to Coach Kevin?

Speaker 9 (27:22):
Hey, guys, great show. And by the way, the previous
Kevin that just called I agree with him on the
last the end of the game there with the soft coverage,
what I would have done, I would have brought my
corners up to jam, because you want to force Dak
to throw the ball deep, it's going to take more time.
That would That would have given our pass rushers a

(27:42):
few extra seconds to get to Dak because he would
have been forced to go throw the ball deep if
we just jammed those receivers on the outside and bring
those safeties up chicks a little tighter, and put the
lead the linebackers where they were, but forced him to
make a deep thrill because he's more dangerous throwing those
cuts across the field than he is on the on
the real deep balls. So I would have forced him

(28:04):
just for time, just to give the defense because they
were gassed in front seven. Kevin, Yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 5 (28:11):
I'm sorry for in drug me.

Speaker 6 (28:12):
I think the first thinating part for me is that
the players all talked after the game, and I know
Brian Dabel joled us into them during the week, and
so did Shane Bowen. They said their mark on the
field was the fifty yard line, like they knew that's
where Auburn was in range to kick. So I don't
care what the call is, you have to play to
not allow him to get to the fifty yard line,

(28:33):
Like that's what you have to do in that situation.
So I know they were coached up on that on
where the mark was for the kicker. They said so
after the game. Again, whether they pressed to your point,
I think if you just play the same covers, but
of everyone ten or fifteen yards closer to the line
of scrimmage, I think that's fine too. But I agree
for some reason, they were just really really soft, and

(28:54):
I don't have a good reason as to why.

Speaker 4 (28:56):
The other thing Kevin to keep in mind is you
know you're talking about applying pressure. I would say that
happened actually in overtime and granted this was a different
scenario because they weren't necessarily as much up against the
clock and it was a completely different yardage. But then
Dak remember ran up the gut for a fourteen yard gain,
and he's got the mobility this year, much more so

(29:16):
if this was last season.

Speaker 6 (29:18):
I think you're fine with Dak running him there, though,
because the play takes a lot more time than I agree.

Speaker 5 (29:22):
I think you're fine with Dak.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
Sure.

Speaker 4 (29:23):
I'm just saying that you've got to be careful because
he has shown the capacity where if all of a sudden,
you get too deep in your pass rush, he's got
the open field he will take off absolutely okay.

Speaker 9 (29:34):
And I wanted to add one more thing on a
positive note. I was very impressed with this whole game
with the Giants turnaround, so I'm going to give him credit.
I know people have been very very upset, but I
gotta say, and watching the game and breaking down the
offensive line, and one thing I wrote stress is you know,
we know this Scataboo is a gap runner primarily, and

(29:57):
I would like to see more, especially against Kansas City's.
The City is a high pressure, edge rush type of team.
Right They're trappable. You can trap these guys, let them
take them salves out of the play. You do a
deep drop back with Russ against them. He's gonna get sacked.
Just like you said earlier in the other games. You
gotta play up tight and you got to use the

(30:19):
trap and trap those guys come. And when they come,
let them come, pull the guards from the other side
and kick him out. Run counters with the inside game.
On the outside game, that's where you bring Tracy in
and the other backs to run the zone runs. You
run your zone runs with the speed guys. But on
the inside stuff, the gut stuff, you run gap gap gap,

(30:41):
and you run traps and you trap these guys. So
the more that they keep charging up there against our
offensive line, let them come, kick them out, and then
let's go out. Just go right up behind that kickout
block and he will make a tendance. Is exactly what
he did at Arizona State. And that's the same thing.
And this is how you eats You beat him on

(31:02):
his aggression.

Speaker 4 (31:03):
No, Kevin, I don't disagree.

Speaker 6 (31:06):
They tried to run a bunch of traps at the
in the beginning of the game against the Commanders in
week one and they did not execute them.

Speaker 4 (31:12):
Well.

Speaker 6 (31:12):
Granted, they did not really execute much well on the
offensive line and Week one against the Commanders, but they
did try that, and yeah, I'm all for that. I
think the Giants this year, the run they still run
the most is the dual run. I think that's what
they feel best about when you have the two double
teams and you can let the running back pick the whole.
But yeah, I would not surprise me that they have
every run in their bag. They practice all of them.

(31:33):
So yeah, I would not be shocked to see a
couple of traps early. Maybe some screens too, right, if
you catch them in a Blitzer two, you can catch
them on.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
A screen bak screen.

Speaker 9 (31:41):
Also, let them guys penetrate and have rush just slip
it out to the flats exactly. That was my next comment.

Speaker 4 (31:47):
Yeah, I mean that to me, I think seems more practical.
And I appreciate the phone call, Kevin, especially since you
you had the first two teams that went up against
the Kansas City Chiefs. I was just looking over their numbers.
They did a pretty good job. I mean Saquon I'm
looking at his numbers. He had two catches for six
yards so they didn't allow him to be as dangerous

(32:08):
from a receiving standpoint. And then they played the Chargers
remember in Brazil, and actually that was more of the
Justin Herbert show. I was actually surprised they didn't run
the ball as much. It was all receivers. Hampton had
two catches for thirteen yards. So neither one of those
opponents for the Chiefs utilize their running backs as the
last caller was pointing out as receiving threats. And I

(32:31):
think both teams have players that could catch the ball
out of the backfield. The Giants have the personnel too.
It'll be interesting to see whether or not perhaps New
York would attack that way and have more success. And
also just from a running standpoint, maybe I wouldn't put
so much stock in the Chargers because I think a
big part of the game plan was we're going to
attack Kansas City through the air. But when you look

(32:52):
at Philadelphia on the ground, thirty four carries one hundred
and twenty two yards but under four yards per carry,
which to me is far more important than the volume
of the runs and how much yardage they had. Let's
head back to the phone lines. We got Edgar in
Arizona with us. Edgar, welcome aboard. What's up?

Speaker 6 (33:13):
Edgar going once is a great name? Edgar going twice?
Martinez excellent player?

Speaker 4 (33:18):
Edgar check swing Yep, you hear me.

Speaker 5 (33:21):
Oh there we go. We don't know he foul hip
the last check Swag. He foul hipped the last.

Speaker 4 (33:26):
Checks allow, it will allow it. It's early in the season,
so we're still getting our act together, Edgar, what's up?

Speaker 9 (33:32):
Ed I appreciate it, guys.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
Hey, John, I caught a few weeks ago, and I
had said that I was interested in maybe moving Bow
and right guard. And when Thomas came back and you
guys said he wasn't ready. I'm lucky enough that I'm
old enough that I've seen all four Foot Bowl champions
of the Giants for eighty six and one thing that
all those teams have in common is they can run

(33:56):
the ball. This team gets no push in the middle
of the line. I know we can't get a free
agent or a stud You got to do with what
we have. I still like the idea of putting Neil
and Lumino at the guards and put Bow at right tackle.
When Thomas comes back.

Speaker 10 (34:13):
What do you guys think about that well er.

Speaker 6 (34:15):
It's funny I had this conversation off the air with
somebody here, nobody upstairs, someone down here in our production departments.

Speaker 5 (34:21):
I don't think it's anyone important.

Speaker 6 (34:23):
And I posited, Let's say Andrew Thomas misses two more
weeks right again, I don't know if that's gonna happen
or not.

Speaker 4 (34:30):
But let's say he does.

Speaker 6 (34:31):
And let's say bow plays well in those games and
he looks very good. Do you at some point consider
and you will not find the bigger Jermaine a Lumino
friend than I am. I think he's fantastic. I think
he's having a great year at right tackle. For all
the Giants offensive line issues, he has nothing to do
with them. He has experienced playing guard. Would you consider

(34:51):
moving bow to right tackle, where he practiced a ton
of the offseason, and then you know, shifting around however
you want to shift around the the guard center spot,
and I would think about it. You know, I don't
think you could put Bowe at guard just because he
didn't work there much in the summer. And I don't
want to position switch a rookie. I don't think that's

(35:12):
fair to the rookie. You want to keep him where
he's been practicing most of the time.

Speaker 5 (35:16):
So I have thought about that.

Speaker 4 (35:20):
So I have thought about that. Agar.

Speaker 6 (35:21):
I think it's a good question. I think it depends.
I wouldn't go there now. I think it depends how
the next two weeks go. Keep in mind Evan Neil
the first two weeks has been inactive, so he's behind
Aaron Stinney on the depth chart. So I don't think
that part of your plan would would necessarily happen. But
I think if Bow plays really really well the whole

(35:42):
goals that got your best five offensive linemen on the
field right in one way, shape or form, do you
then make an adjustment to try to get your best
five on the field. But then again, anger, maybe the
next two weeks your guards and center play really well too,
and then you don't want to make that change. So
I think you kind of have to see LANs how
these next couple weeks go.

Speaker 4 (35:58):
Yeah, and Edgar listen, well, let you go on that note,
get in some background noise from you, but appreciate the
phone call. Yah.

Speaker 5 (36:04):
Good question.

Speaker 4 (36:05):
The problem that I have with this game plan is
twofold number one. I never got this sense this offseason
just listening to Dable and Carmen Brisillo that they want
to take guys out of positions where they maybe excel,
and I think Illuminor is comfortable there. He is so
and he has said, by the way, the reason he's
playing so well is be is the first officers and

(36:26):
he hasn't at the train in multiple positions exactly. Bingo
and I think sometimes when you start to think about, well,
we want to get our five best guys on the field,
to your point, John, you're actually hurting yourself more because
you're then moving guys where they're comfortable into other spots
where they're not nearly going to be as effective.

Speaker 6 (36:45):
No, Atlanta's a good point. That's why I don't think
it's an easy answer.

Speaker 4 (36:49):
So that's why right now I would say, even if
some struggles continue, I think there could be some hesitancy.
You took the words out of my mouth. I think
anyone speculated about Evan Neil, all you need to look
is the fact that he's been a healthy scratch. And
when players are healthy scratch, I think you at least
get an idea of where their current status is in
the eyes of the rest of the roster. Now, guys
can make leaps. It's possible, but I wouldn't necessarily brace

(37:12):
for that to happen over And yeah, I wouldn't worry
about the depth chart on the website. I would look
at who's an active on game days without a doubt,
because that makes the ultimate statement. And let's put it
this way. After the way the Giants offensive line john
performed in week one, you could argue it would have been
easy for the coaching staff to go into a room
and say, Okay, what do we do to revamp this
whole thing? And Evan Neil, who is now transitioning back

(37:34):
to guard, wouldn't that have been an attractive, sensible plan
to at least maybe consider moving him in And they
didn't go.

Speaker 6 (37:40):
There now again, and if we get to the point
where after another week or two, like it looks more
like week one than a dozen week two and Russell
Wilson is getting the you know what beat out of
him and you feel like you have to make a
big change in order to make the unit functional, then
we can have that conversation. But the Lances point anger,
I'm not there right now. So if Andrew Thomas plays
this week, I'm not probably even considering the type of

(38:03):
changes you're talking about based off of a relatively small
sample side with Marcus Bow, I don't think you make
that move then.

Speaker 5 (38:10):
I think you need to see how it plays out.

Speaker 6 (38:11):
But like if Thomas is back this week, I think
you're gonna see the same five guys out there that
you saw fit the start of last year.

Speaker 4 (38:18):
And the other thing related to this, John.

Speaker 5 (38:19):
Is and you should by the way I think too, I.

Speaker 4 (38:21):
Don't know how much I'd want to move Bow around
so early in his career too.

Speaker 6 (38:25):
And the good thing is that he has been mostly
a right tackle in the offseason, so that's where he
has played most of his snaps, So if anything, left
tackle was more of a position change for him. But
that was obviously something out of need because of what
happened with James Hudson.

Speaker 4 (38:38):
Exactly in the midst of a game. You have to
prepare for that. But I would think going into a
week I guess is what I'm saying, you'd want to
pencil him in and say, hey, gain chemistry next to
the guy that you're gonna take the bulk of the
snaps against. And that's my hesitancy about illumin or as
good as illumin Or may be at right tackle, you
move to right guard. Okay, Now he's got to get
used to playing next to the center and the center

(38:59):
vice versus John Michael Schmitz now and ilumin Or have
to make sure they're on the same page when they
have not played next to one another leading up today.

Speaker 6 (39:08):
Unless part of the move is does Van Roden go
to center again? I don't know what that switch around
would look like. But again, I think it's way too
early to have those types of conferences.

Speaker 4 (39:16):
And the more and more we're going down this hypothetical road,
we've now moved at least three three. It's a good plight,
a good point. I mean, how many more maneuvers? Well
do you have up your sleep?

Speaker 6 (39:26):
I know nobody likes a game of musical chairs of
the offensive line.

Speaker 5 (39:30):
Zach Meadow.

Speaker 4 (39:31):
Listen, It's well documented based on history for the Giants.
It is your favorite party game. It is my favorite
party game, no doubt about it. Yes, I would be
in heaven if just had a birthday party where all
we did was play musical chairs. I can't say that
I have a lot of childhood experiences in that department,
so I'm not speaking from experience.

Speaker 6 (39:48):
What was the party game you probably played the most
as the kid. I was probably pinned the town I was.

Speaker 4 (39:52):
Getting, Yes, pin the tail on the donkey was certainly
a favorite, Simon says. Okay, Simon says in the mix
to red light green Light, Yes, red light green light?
Is that the red rover? One?

Speaker 6 (40:03):
No, no, no red rovers when you hold the hands through, yes, correct,
So that's different than the lights.

Speaker 4 (40:08):
Now it's been a while.

Speaker 5 (40:09):
When you do red Rover, would you try to go
under and be sneaky.

Speaker 7 (40:12):
No.

Speaker 4 (40:12):
I used my power flex and had they work South Runner. Well,
I mean we're talking about you know, colleagues, are you know,
fellow little individuals. Second, we were we had a very
formal birthday party. I referred to them as colleagues. Yes,
so no, I tried to go through. There was no
cheating or it wasn't as if I had giant friends

(40:34):
that we were talking about. You know.

Speaker 6 (40:35):
Well, one thing I never did, and I never really
wanted to do it either.

Speaker 4 (40:39):
But I know it's like a big thing. I guess
that's some Halloween things. Bobbing for apples.

Speaker 6 (40:43):
That was never something that seemed I never really wanted to,
you know, stick my face and a big bucket of one,
and other people were also sticking their face in correct.
I also felt like it would be kind of hard
to bite into the apple, like, that's the whole point
I used to bite into the apple, and that's how
you bob it app or are you trying to get
the stem and pick it up by the stem?

Speaker 4 (40:59):
Which actually, the more and more you think about it, it's
a brutal game for little kids to play when their
teeth are falling out the bat teeth, right, I mean right,
you think about that? Why go through that?

Speaker 5 (41:08):
That's punish me?

Speaker 4 (41:09):
A three year old playing that game. Can you imagine
saves your dentist appointment? It could true, and it maybe
gets you to put something under the pillow. That's true
tooth fairy.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
No.

Speaker 6 (41:19):
I love teasing my daughter when she has to lose
to them, Like you know, I can just tie a
string to it and just tie it to the doorknob
and the door shut.

Speaker 5 (41:25):
I can old school on you here if you want.
She does not.

Speaker 4 (41:28):
She takes the patient route, meaning she's not patience with it.
She messes she has been one of her front one
of her side front teeth. I don't know in size
or whatever.

Speaker 7 (41:38):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (41:39):
She's been shaking it around the last week, like waiting
for it to come out. Sure, the problem I've brought
into and she doesn't listen to the show so I
can say it. I'm very much against like the over
gifting on like the tooth fairy stuff.

Speaker 4 (41:50):
Oh so you have a budget and a limit, Yeah,
so what you place on it.

Speaker 6 (41:53):
By the way, parents, if you're in the car now
with a young child, I suggest you do ear muffs
or you turn it off and wait for them to
be out of the car.

Speaker 5 (41:59):
At first, I will say that as someone with a
little child.

Speaker 4 (42:01):
So if the tooth Fairy is not real.

Speaker 11 (42:03):
Well, second, I was trying to give him a second
to mutantsforment such yes, I love that role, but please no,
no now now I'm at the edge of my seat,
so finish your thought.

Speaker 4 (42:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (42:15):
Unfortunately, the last couple of times, I haven't had any singles.
So if I had to do like five dollars a tooth,
which I'm not a fan of, but I don't have
any singles. All I've had is fives and you can't
wait then the kid freaks out. The tooth fairy forgot me,
and it's a problem.

Speaker 4 (42:32):
You should give maybe a piece of paper where it
has a digital transaction fee that you'll process.

Speaker 6 (42:37):
At a later dig or like crypto you on, like
crypto by the tooth fairy tooth fairies, give our cryptocurrency.

Speaker 4 (42:42):
Now, boy, what world do we live it in for
we're going down that road and whether or not actually
it holds up in value maybe two or three days
after the fact.

Speaker 5 (42:51):
That is a but slide that we listen.

Speaker 4 (42:53):
Oh, these are real problems. These are real problems, real
world problems. Forget see you think you're stressing out over
giants football piece. John doesn't have enough cash to put
under the pillow for a kid.

Speaker 5 (43:03):
No, I have too much cash.

Speaker 4 (43:05):
I don't have the small But there are a lot
of people also in this day and agent fairness that
don't deal in cash.

Speaker 5 (43:09):
Right, Well, that is true.

Speaker 4 (43:10):
The ash is almost a gas commodity. Oh, you're whipping
it out here checking if they'ren have to have security
around if the tooth comes out tonight.

Speaker 6 (43:17):
I have two singles, so that'll be what's going under
the pillow. What problem is I only have two singles
out of ten. So if I used the two singles,
then I only have the ten.

Speaker 5 (43:24):
Then I gotta give her ten.

Speaker 4 (43:26):
Well, you could ask for change back the following one.

Speaker 5 (43:28):
Yeah, that is not going to play.

Speaker 4 (43:31):
What about change You looked at that. Just give her
a bucket of pennies and then it teaches they can't.

Speaker 5 (43:37):
Just squeeze it under the pillow.

Speaker 4 (43:39):
You can't squeeze the sack of pennies under the pillow.
The pillow's big enough that if you had to put
one hundred pennies under the pillow, it would be time.

Speaker 5 (43:47):
You realize she is sleeping under the pillow as this
is happening.

Speaker 4 (43:50):
Correct, So then I would suggest using quarters. Then, okay,
bigger coins and less to equate to a dollar. See
you're not thinking this.

Speaker 6 (43:56):
I don't have also don't have a lot of me
I would make this well a going I also thought
of a lot of quarters laying around either.

Speaker 4 (44:03):
Well, you know everything's done digitally.

Speaker 6 (44:05):
Now it's a problem, which is what I was just
explained over the last five minutes.

Speaker 4 (44:08):
But if you plan accordingly, when you have a kid
who has a loose tooth, you go to the bank
in advance and you make sure you have the proper
coinage and paper.

Speaker 6 (44:16):
I'm gonna print out the venmo QR code underneath slide
it in.

Speaker 4 (44:21):
In the long run, you're teaching these children things that
are not taught at least when we were in the
public school system. I think, listen, how to balance a
checking book? These are important things. See, you don't know
what you learn here on BBKL. But as we try
to return to normally scheduled programming to a certain degree,
let's check in with Jason and Newhaven here on BBKL.
What's happened to Jason sub Jason.

Speaker 5 (44:45):
John John, That's okay.

Speaker 4 (44:46):
I was almost very insult Yeah, I was gonna say,
and that's okay. I'm sure he's been called worse, but
it's okay.

Speaker 7 (44:51):
Not much.

Speaker 4 (44:52):
Yeah, maybe Lance I have definitely been called worse.

Speaker 5 (44:55):
Yeah, No, I mean called me Lance problem.

Speaker 10 (45:00):
I apologize.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
What do you got, hey, much man? I'll make three
points and then I'll move on. I'll make the Kents
City point. I'll you know, take it off The air
leader to say Sunday to me was very disappointing from
the I don't know what that was with Hudson in
that first series, but to me, he shouldn't see the

(45:26):
field at all period, and the story that to me
was just egregious so I'll leave that at that. My
two my two issues I had with the game. And
while I offense did wake up. You know, I know
Dallas had some corners missing, some young, you know, young
secondary players, but you know you have to take advantage,

(45:47):
and we did. But I guess my question is with
the I think you had a previous caller or two
callers ago to me. And I get it, fellas you know,
these guys are professional play callers, coaches have been coaching
for years. I get it, you know, but as a fan,
I do have a right to ask. I just don't see.

(46:10):
I don't get the I and I know, you know,
the linebackers didn't play it well. Whatever the call was,
they didn't play it well.

Speaker 9 (46:16):
I get that.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
But man, to give Dack that much time to throw
the ball into the middle of the field when I
think it's a young gentleman from Arizona, he's really good
throwing the ball in the middle, attack in the middle
of the field against the defense. And to see that
much cushion man on that Ferguson catch was just it

(46:39):
just it was very demoralized to me because it.

Speaker 5 (46:43):
Was a bad play. It was a badly executed play.

Speaker 3 (46:46):
Well, my thing, John is I get the lady that
they didn't execute the play. My question is the play call.
And like I said, you.

Speaker 4 (46:55):
Don't know what the play call is, that's the problem.

Speaker 3 (46:59):
But but my thing is this, we lose to the Cowboys.
Sometimes you have to take a game, and I just
felt like in that situation, you pressure that.

Speaker 10 (47:09):
That's just my opinion, But Jason isn't.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
The whole point.

Speaker 6 (47:11):
But Jason, isn't the whole point of bringing in all
these pass rushers that you don't have to blitz.

Speaker 4 (47:17):
Yay, you should be able to win with your front four.

Speaker 3 (47:20):
I get that, John, get I get that. But at
the end of the day, forget all the hype and
all that. We're trying to win a game here. So
if you have to bring five, you bring five. Like
you said a minute ago, spack Nola has Chris Jones,
they have Carl Loftis, they have some pretty good pass rushers,
but he still brings five and six guys.

Speaker 5 (47:40):
Jason, I don't think, No, I get it.

Speaker 6 (47:42):
What happens if if you blitz, you're manning up one
of those big time wide receivers with one of your cornerbacks.
How did those matchups go over the course of the
game when you were manned up with one of your
cornerbacks and pickens and CD lamb right.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
That and that's absolutely true. Anything can happen, Anything can happen,
but that soft zone where was just a mess. Secondly,
and I'm moving to Kansas there Russell will that last pick.
I'm not going to really kill Russell on that. You know,
like you got stay, the boat was pushing back and
he rushed the throw. He threw it up kind of
like a punt, and you know, be that as amatable.

Speaker 6 (48:17):
After the game they called it a miscommunication. They wouldn't
get into details as to what it was. So I
just in terms of why, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (48:25):
But anyway, I finish your point, right, my question.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
Would be and I'm not actually you know, everybody you
know opinion is different. But man, I just I don't
know why we were going for broke at that point
over time when if we score a field goals know
the game is over. I just don't understand some of
the And I guess I would never know because I'm
not in those meetings. I'm not in the offices to

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even get a hear or feel for what was going on.
But I just didn't feel like going for broke when
we have good know who is in you know, the
Dallas kicker, but he's pretty good when healthy, you know.
I just didn't see the Gopher broke mentality. And then
then my next thing, Kansas City on your final point.

Speaker 5 (49:10):
No no, I said, final point finished.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
We got a role, yep, the Kansas City. The other
call that talked about how how much stay pressure. I
would love to see a lot more screens random in
the preseason. A lot. We got to use their aggression
against them. So thanks for taking my call.

Speaker 4 (49:25):
Jays, Yeah, appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (49:26):
Russell was didn't have to throw the deep ball.

Speaker 6 (49:27):
It's not like on that play that's the only option
that was his choice, and it worked for most of
the game, so I can't get too mad about it.
And then the Cowboys happened to play that one.

Speaker 4 (49:34):
Well, it happens. I mean, he was pressured. I look back,
it did not look like he was hit. I thought
initially when I saw it he was hit, but his
arm was not hit, So he got a free release
on that. It was just obviously not on the same
page as neighbors under the circumstances, and just real quick
before we go to the next caller. I just brought
up the alignment for that play. You know where he
hits Ferguson. He had two receivers out wide to the
right and then to the left, So I mean Dak

(49:56):
still had Tolbert Lamb and Pickens lined up on the
play when he threw the Ferguson over the middle. And
by the way, eight seconds to go in the.

Speaker 6 (50:04):
First line of defence at the snap is lined up
at the forty three yard line. If they just stay
there and don't back up another ten yards at the snap,
you're in perfect position.

Speaker 4 (50:15):
You're in good shape. The problem is that at the
snap they back up an additional ten yards after ye
forty to now all of a sudden in opposing territory correct,
which is exactly what happened. And now, all of a sudden,
you move the line of demarcation and you give Dallas
more breathing room.

Speaker 5 (50:29):
I want to know what I want to know what
Wilson's apology is.

Speaker 4 (50:31):
Can we go to Wilson next? You want to go
to Wilson. I don't know what his apology is, but
I don't remember Wilson having to apologize or well, maybe
apologize to every single viewer and listen. That's where I
would put it. But hey, if you want to roll
out the red carpet for that, I'm all for it. Wilson,
what's happening?

Speaker 12 (50:46):
No, Danny? Hey, what's up Land? No Dannie? I think
you and he got mad at me the other day
when I call him Sunday, Did you get mad at me?

Speaker 4 (50:54):
It was just me, honestly, Wilson. Wilson, Honestly, I don't
remember exactly what your point was. So no, I wasn't
particularly mad at you.

Speaker 12 (51:02):
Maybe I don't know I mean a thing because I
think we have you know me for for a while. Now,
I'm gonna call you right.

Speaker 9 (51:10):
If I called the show.

Speaker 12 (51:11):
Right and I tell you what you want to hear,
what fun is that?

Speaker 5 (51:15):
That wasn't We want you to call with your honest opinion.

Speaker 6 (51:18):
Just come with the facts to back it up, and
we'll have some back and forth on you.

Speaker 4 (51:22):
I'll make your point. It's okay.

Speaker 12 (51:23):
So like, no, listen, so I asked, I asked Johnny
and Tiky the other day. I said, Tiky to me,
the Giants are horrendolously coach team. I think he took
a little offense to it because he wants he he
I want. I don't want to hear any more excuses.
Now what bothered me a little bit? But Tiki said what, Well,
now the new players got a mash in last week

(51:44):
was the offensive line, defensive line? Now today it was
it was it was the new players. But I just
want to ask you guys something because you know, it
seems like I feel like I can't every time I
say something negative. I can't like I brought up the
for the past two years and and and Kiki, and
I don't know if you guys you took a little

(52:05):
uh you know, offense and me saying that Johnny, But
but I don't understand something.

Speaker 9 (52:09):
Man.

Speaker 12 (52:10):
We have, according to a lot of people, a good
head coach, a good general manager, and and good players.

Speaker 10 (52:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (52:18):
I don't want I don't want to bring it up.
But we have won nine games and lost like twenty
seven games. And something's gotta give, Johnny, because I don't.
I don't let me say difference.

Speaker 5 (52:30):
You gotta finish up, finish up real quick now.

Speaker 12 (52:32):
I'm saying because to me, my season's over and my
sundays are over. Whether where the Giant fans want to
believe otherwise, it's up to them. Everybody has their own
of finis. But but but Johnny, listen, it's like, I
don't know, a lot of people probably.

Speaker 10 (52:47):
Feel that this.

Speaker 13 (52:48):
I mean, when it's enough enough, we can't even win
a game that is right there for us, it's it's
it's a horrendous feeling that giantants because you know what, Johnny,
I was watching the game. You know how horrible it
is to watch a game and know something's bad gonna happen.

Speaker 6 (53:04):
Both and I've watched the same team you have for
the past ten years.

Speaker 5 (53:08):
Don't worry.

Speaker 4 (53:08):
I get it.

Speaker 6 (53:09):
Appreciate the call. Manah, sorry, we're at the end of
the show here. I apologize.

Speaker 4 (53:12):
And there's a lot of heartbreak. I mean, look at
the Colts and the Broncos. I know, Giants fans don't
want to hear it. Indy misses a field goal and
then they get to redo it because of the leverage
over the long snapper. It happens across the league. I
understand maybe the track record is not necessarily what the
Giants has been, but you suffer heartbreak in close games
more often than not. That's what happens.

Speaker 6 (53:33):
You should be disappointed over the record over the last
two years.

Speaker 5 (53:36):
Hasn't been good.

Speaker 4 (53:37):
I get it.

Speaker 6 (53:38):
We're not gonna I'm not gonna get me upset. Wilson,
You're you're stating a fact. I understand that. And everyone's
gonna have their different opinion on that's fine. You have
your opinion, that's fine.

Speaker 5 (53:46):
Call up, give us your opinion. So good, don't worry
about it.

Speaker 4 (53:48):
So do we have time? Zickers? I know we got
a bit of a heart out, but we'll try to
squeeze it here. James and Harrisburg. James, we're up against
the clock. What do you got for?

Speaker 5 (53:55):
If I get my phone call, you can take him yourself.

Speaker 4 (53:57):
Sounds good, I'm on, I'm you got ron James, Yep,
what's happening? What's on your mind?

Speaker 10 (54:03):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (54:04):
Bad coaching? Bad clock management?

Speaker 12 (54:07):
Mm hmm that's.

Speaker 9 (54:09):
Pretty much it.

Speaker 5 (54:10):
What was wrong with the clock management? James?

Speaker 10 (54:13):
The timeouts when the defense is tired. We ain't had
no timeouts?

Speaker 5 (54:18):
When did you?

Speaker 10 (54:18):
Why and why are none of our players do to
the Oh get up, sow on my foot, my foot,
you know, you know, fake injury to you know, slow
the game down. Wrober coaching It is the coaching James
coaching with.

Speaker 6 (54:34):
James, I get what you're saying, but when did you
want to do that? The Giants had possession for four
or five plays before that final Dallas drive.

Speaker 5 (54:42):
The defense.

Speaker 10 (54:44):
What do you mean when did we want to do what?

Speaker 4 (54:46):
Timeout?

Speaker 10 (54:49):
Other teams?

Speaker 6 (54:50):
Do you know your James either way, take your pick,
when did you want to do that?

Speaker 10 (54:54):
Oh? It don't. It doesn't like slow it down on defense, tired,
super tired, and then I wanted to fire fire people.
That's not going to help fire people, is not going
to help.

Speaker 4 (55:05):
It's not going to help, all right, James, I don't
understand the point about when you should have intentionally faked
an injury is essentially what you're saying. I mean, let's
not beat around the bush. That was the point that
was being made. It makes no sense. I mean, before
we wrap up here, I'm looking at Cowboys had an
eleven play, seventy one yard drive that took a minute

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fifty two off the clock, that put them up thirty
four to thirty. Then the Giants had the long touchdown
pass to Neighbors, and then there's twenty five seconds left
in the game and was a four play twenty one
yard drive and Dallas has still multiple timeouts left. So
if you're focusing on the fourth quarter and you're claiming
that they were tired, I don't think it's justified that

(55:49):
they were tired. And b Dallas has the ability to
stop the clock anyway, So what leverage are you using
in terms of overtime? Dallas ran a six play twenty
three yard drive and they went three and out on
their second possession. How tired is the defense in overtime
under these circumstances. I think that's where frustration gets in
the way of reality and facts of the scenario. So

(56:14):
I don't understand when a players should have been doing
that and timeouts were desperately needed to all of a
sudden slow things down. Giants knew there was nine seconds
left in the game of fourteen is when the clock stopped,
of course, prior to that play to Ferguson, and it
wasn't as if Dallas was going hurry up every single play.

(56:35):
So I think that's more of a frustration take as
opposed to reality and what led to the outcome of
the game. All right, that is going to wrap things
up for us here. On Tuesday's edition of Big Blue
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