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JC and we know oh and three, Your hopes of
making any sort of rum become extremely slim. That's just
the historical history and stats of the National Football League.
So obviously a hugely important game for both these teams.
It's also the Giants home opener. Put nice, put me
in the player's mind here this week, heading into your

(01:07):
home opener knowing you gotta win owing two.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yeah, this is a must win type of game, you know,
I mean not really not really. I never used that
term as a player. You know, on this side of it,
we've used it plenty of times, but I've never used
that that terminology.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
As a player.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yeah. Yeah, And going in this is a home opener,
you know, against the daunted Chiefs, right, the team that
represented the AFC in the Super Bowl the last three years,
winning two out of the three. You know, this is
a quality team with a really good quarterback and offensively,
you know, it is what it is. But the Giants,
they gotta have some type of we got to win
in front of our crowd. You know, we got to

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do something in front of our home home stadium. You know,
the Giants have not had a lot of luck here,
especially in the past. But the great thing about it,
this is a twenty twenty five season. This is the
first home game, so look, they want to open it
up with a bang. Why not do against the Chiefs.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
Yeah, And there are a couple of things about this game,
and I touched on some of these with Lance at
the end of the show on Tuesday. I didn't getting
the super detail with it. But don't start to go
to the bad for the Chiefs.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
Let's go bad first.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
Their offense is not the same. Yeah, they have no weapons.
Travis Kelsey's not what he used to be. Doesn't mean
he's not an effective player still and he doesn't still
make some plays, but he's not what he used to be.
We'll see if if you're worthing to play in this game.
If he does, that will certainly help the Chiefs. But otherwise,
you're looking at Juju Smith, Schuster, You're looking at Taekwon Thornton,
You're looking at Hollywood Brown. You know, these guys are

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all like threes or fours normal team. Not to mention
the fact you have a pretty young offensive line. Look,
Tray Smith's still really awesome, Create Humphreys obviously really awesome, awesome,
but you lost Joe Tooney in the offseason. You have
a second year guard Kingsley Stuamanteia who's changed positions and
he's still coming along there. You have a rookie left
tackle tackle and Josh Simmons. You have Juwan Taylor right

(02:59):
Tackchael who he's good for a least one or two
penalties a game, lining up incorrectly or committed to hold.
So Patrick Mahomes has kind of tried to put this
team on his back a little bit. He's even missed
some throws down the field normally doesn't make, but he's
ran the ball while he's got almost one hundred twenty
by one hundred twenty rushing yards. I think this year
because he just doesn't have guys that frankly can get open.

(03:22):
Much going on around him.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
I think uncharacteristic overthrows for him. You know, I've seen
that on film, especially last week against the Eagles, YEP,
where he did have a pocket. He was sitting in
the pocket a couple times, clean pockets, and he overthrew
the ball. I don't think we'll see that continuously from him.
I think he would make that adjustment. But who is
he throwing the ball to. Like you said earlier, I
think Hollywood Brown has emerged as their leading receiver without

(03:47):
Rashid Rice. The run game has not been there at all,
even though they try, just hasn't been there at all.
The running game has came from Patrick Mahomes, not just
on scrambles. May look he runs so fast some of
these players, I'm like, is that a designed run where
he just snaps the ball and it is a pass play,
But he just he ran so fast.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
The minute he sees man to man, he runs and
he sees some type of gap in the defensive line,
he goes out like he's not even reading a receiver
half the time.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Right, he just goes the thing as soon as he
clears out. So that's gonna be a lot on the
defensive line, right, not adding a spy per se. But
everybody has to be, you know, on the same page
on how they're rushing Patrick Mahomes, because yes, you can
do stunts and all of that, but you need people
to cover. Meaning if you got somebody going inside, somebody
needs to be coming out and you cannot expose the

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B gap because all of the quarterbacks in the NFL,
if you get too high up, they will run through
that B gap. Mahomes is doing it at a He's
getting good runs and getting good yardage. But it's the
timing of those runs that's why it looks like they're
in games. Because he uses his legs at very timely

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spots in the game, second and long, third and long
getting those in. He's lowering the boom.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
I was about to ask you about that.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
He's lowering the bull.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
If you're a defensive player and you're a linebacker. You
like that, right, lower the boom on. I mean, now
he's smart though he only loads the boom again, defensive back.
First of all, he's not stupid.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
Yeah, he's very intelligent about who he chooses to do,
especially like on the sideline, he'll pick and choose is
he running out? Is he not? It gives some indecisiveness
to the defender in the middle of the field. He's sliding,
for sure. For sure he's sliding. But that's the thing
that presents that's a difficulty in a defender. When you're
running to him full speed, you're thinking, like, all r
he's gonna slide, He's gonna slide. Hose, All of a sudden,
he stays up. Now you got you gotta be ready

(05:37):
to tackle. He's not a little guy.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
Two d twenty pounds.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
I think he's bigger than that. You know, he's a big,
solid guy. You know, he may out look like a
Cam Newton, right, he may not look like a Ben Roethlisberger, right,
but he's solid.

Speaker 5 (05:49):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
He definitely over two twenty ain't no ways two twenty
bro no ways.

Speaker 6 (05:52):
Time.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
I'm curious what he's listed at. I'm looking at it.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
I'm thinking two thirty five, because what he's sixty three?
What is he sixty three?

Speaker 3 (05:59):
Let's see on ESPN was usually pretty accurate then most
it's six two to twenty five.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
Five, I give him too thirty five. I give him
to thirty five.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
So so you think they just kept his rookie weight
and packed him on and they just have an updated
a little bit.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
More soft here on the sides. But as a quarterback though,
you know, you take hits, so you need to have
a little bit of extra cushion on you, you know,
and he's delivering. He's been delivering hits the last few games.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
All Right, I'm gonna play a game with you. Don't
look okay, what do you think Patrick Mahomes weighed in
at at the NFL Combine when he came out of
Texas Tech back in twenty that would have been twenty
seventeen at six two, I give him he listed six
to exactly what do you think his way was?

Speaker 2 (06:40):
Five and two ten?

Speaker 3 (06:41):
Between that two twenty five they just kept same. Wait,
someone hasn't stepped out of scalet of ye right, He's like,
I wish I could do that? Could I do that?
Could I just not weigh myself and stay the same
Waight is that how this works? Bigger than his r
got that pretty? He's twenty fourteen? Still, what eighty, let's go,

(07:03):
what's seventy five? Let's do it.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
He's definitely bigger than that. And you can see it
about how guys they go backwards trying to tackle that guy.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
Uh yeah, looking frankly, I don't have much else interesting
to say about their offense.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
No, there's nobody here to try to run. They try
to run the ball.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
Yeah, but Potako doesn't look the same ever since his
leg injury. And I kind of like Burshard Smith, who's
their third down back. He's a little explosive. Kareem Hunt
looks like he's about thirty five years old. He could
kind of run for four yards and fall down. But
there's no one you need to circle with a red sharpie.
There's no one you need the double team besides fifteen,
besides fifteen?

Speaker 1 (07:40):
Right?

Speaker 3 (07:41):
And what do you think watching Kelsey Old?

Speaker 2 (07:44):
But he's looking for Kelsey. He is looking for him
on third down, second to any pass situation.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
He's looking for. Giants should be used to this, not
maybe not this group of players, but Giants fans remember
old Jason Witten. Oh yeah, same deal. It's like it's
like old Jason Witten.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
I watched twenty sixteen in Game one Dallas and Giants.
When I was on the field, Jason Witten caught like
four passes on me and I had great coverage on him.
But that's Kelsey. Kelsey runs different routes though, he kind
of he does option routes, but Witten sits down a
lot on a lot of his routes. Kelsey kind of
breaks out or breaks in.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
Well, yeah, he kind of ran more vertical routes too.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
He does in Kelsey, Witton really doesn't. He didn't never
really do vertical runs.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
In twenty sixteen. He was thirty four years old.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
He great, great at the sticks though, great first down guy.
But that's that's Kelsey. And I think they will use
Kelsey in that regard because they know, like Kelsey, he
doesn't have to get open anymore. He's so big and
the quarterbacks so smart and they got such a good rhythm.
He just got to throw it to the spot where
the defenders not and that's what you see from Homes
and Kelsey. Kelsey's not shaking guys anymore and running away

(08:49):
from guys. He's not doing that. But he's so good,
and he's so savvy in his technique, and he understands
the defenses so well that he sits in positions. So
with somebody that you have to pay attention to. Yes,
he's a little bit older, but when you get older
and you still have success, you change your game. And
you're watching a Kelsey that's changed his game over the years.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
Look, God, I don't want to simplify this because defense
is a lot more complicated than what I'm about to say.
And Andy Reid, if you just do one thing against him,
is going to figure out a way to beat it.
These guys are too smart and soil It's Patrick Mahomes.
But in your must have it opportunities, jac against this team,
I'm getting up in their grill. Yeah, I'm playing pressman.
I'm leaving Bobby o'carake in the spy Patrick Man, I

(09:28):
don't care. I don't need extra guys in coverage because
these guys can't separate. This is I put Bagel Kac
my spy play one single high safety over the time.
You didn't even drive him into the robber. If you want,
I don't care. That's fine, and then just play tight
press man across the board and you know, bring down
his safety and put him on. You don't to put
a linebacker on Travis Kelcey, bring heck, put you Phillips
on Travis Kelcey for all I care. I don't care.

(09:48):
Put a corner on him. But you know, play flat
and Banks and Phillips and the debo and put put
Banks on Kelsey. Put I don't care. Put put a
debo on Kelsey and put flat in the other guy
outside because the devo's kind of big and physical, right,
That's what I do. And I say, look, we're gonna
make your receivers beat our press man coverage. And again,

(10:09):
you spy Mahome so he doesn't run like you said.
He likes to run on those big second and third downs.
And that's what I do when my must have opportunities.
I think that's kind of what you have to do.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
Yeah, I mean, you could figure out different ways. I
wouldn't even mind doubling Kelsey or somebody.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
I'm fine with that.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Sure, if you got a spy in there, at the
end of the day, you got to take away their
main threat. Their main threat is Mahomes decisions to run.
You gotta be able to make him think twice about that.
You gotta make him say, oh, I can't run because
whatever I got sacked the last time, or the spy
was on me and got me down the last time.
He has to be he has to think about it.
The last game they played against the Eagles, he didn't

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think at all. He was just taking off right away.
That can break a defense's back because you do so
well against the run, you do so well against passes,
you getting PBUs and you're getting stops. All of a sudden, Mahomes,
there's nothing open. Everybody did their job on third down
and he runs a first down.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
What guys like and Jaden Daniels and Jayalen Hurts could
be so frustrating because they can You could do everything
right and then they just run for a first down.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
And it's not just a d line either, right, correct,
It's a collaborative effort when you have a guy like that.
Because you talk about circling guys, you're circling one guy
on this offense, and you're circling him over and over
and over again because he's that phenomenal. Yes, they're not
as explosive as they used to be. He doesn't have
the weapons, but he's still Patrick Mahomes, maybe a little inaccurate.

(11:28):
He'll figure that out, I think soon. He's good enough
to figure that out. Well.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
No, in the Giants luck, it'll be this week.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
Hope not fingers crossed. Defensively, though, it takes eleven guys
when you have a guy like that, good coverage on
the outside. Everybody's in the responsibilities the Giants, I think again,
two weeks in a row, a little bit slow to
line up defensively, right, and that can be causing to
be a little late to certain things. Not good stuff.
They got to have more of a sense of urgency

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before the ball is snapped. So pre snap stuff that
I'm seeing the smoke that they didn't really correct. That
hurt them two weeks the road defensively.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
All right, let's flop it to the other side. And
while the Chiefs defense is the stronger of the two units,
their defense hasn't been great this year either. I'll give
some advanced stats is so people can have a you know,
basic idea. These are overarching stats EPA all out for
play that's expected points allowed, which is kind of an
efficiency Scoring Metric twenty seventh in the league, success rate

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thirty first in the league. So they haven't give him
a ton of points. But down to down the defense
has not been great. But the number I want to
highlight here and this is what I kind of talked
a little bit about with Lance is on Tuesday, so
I don't want to repeat myself a ton. They lead
the NFL in blitz rate. They've blitzed on forty eight
and a half percent of trop pex, which is an
astronomical number, But they only have the twentieth highest pressure

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rate at thirty two percent. So that's a bad ratio.
If you blitz that much, you want to have a
higher pressure rate. With that said, and you've heard me
say this, and I know the fans have a million
times already. Two and again, I hate the sound repetitive,
but it's important. Russell Wilson is a different quarterback when
he's clean versus when he's pressured. When he was pressured
last year on early downs, he was the bottom three
quarterback in the league. When he was not pressured on

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early downs, last year, he was a top ten quarterback.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
Game like what he looked like last week?

Speaker 3 (13:11):
Correct, what did the Cowboys not do at all last week,
but not at all, and they when they got pressure,
it was late pressure. It wasn't early pressure. So even
just the looks that Spagnolo is going to give and
the numbers he's going to put up there, does that
A give the Giants offensive line issues? And B does
that speed Russell Wilson up a little bit where he's

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not as comfortable in the pocket and he doesn't make
the type of downfield throws or even see the availability
of the type of downfield throws that we saw last
week against Dallas. To me, JC, that's the whole ballgame.
Can you get the Chiefs out of some of those
looks with screens? Maybe you trap them. Can you do
something to mitigate the impact of all those blitzers and pressure,

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because in the past, Russell Wilson has not handled those.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
Great Yeah, and the reason why Spags is always considered
one of the greatest defensive coordinators ever of all time.
Excuse me, is, like you said, he's blitzing more now
like from everybody in the league. But it's when he
decides to do those blitzes, right. I play for Spags
for four years. He has a play called Storm. It's

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the gotta have it blitz. That's the all out blitz
smoke that I know you've seen on film. At least
it's a great name, but it's at least five times
you saw us on film last week, and and Eagles
would kind of win and lose. Feaster fam it's a
feaster famine play, right, Yep. It's a play that sends
everybody and there's zero coverage.

Speaker 6 (14:41):
Zero.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
If there's three eligibles, only three guys are in coverage,
like there's no one else helping out, and everybody else
is blitzing. So the Giants have to identify that because
if you don't see that coming, there's no way you
can block it. Smell, you cannot block it. But if
you identify, there is one on ones all over and
the ball has to come out.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
Right Now, what do they call the play when they
show storm but then dropping the coverage.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
It's it's a defense, but you just show storm, okay, right,
it's just whatever shell defense they have.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
So he sends what he sends the play, and they'll
say show Storm and then they'll give the regular play call.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know the terminology now, and
I can't really remember exactly what we're saying. But we
built a lot of things off of Storm because that
was our go to play, So we would make a
lot of our blitzes assuming a lot of our coverages
look like you're running a storm, especially when they got
the A gap mug black backers in the in the
in the mug position those I was watching film from
twenty sixteen. To me, I was covering a win and

(15:35):
from the A gap bro I was covering.

Speaker 3 (15:37):
With soait, so you were double mugging and then you
drop out and route.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
But that's what I'm saying. That's the difficulty in spags defense.
Sometimes they will get pressure, but there's gonna be some
advantages in coverage because guys are going to be out
of position.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
And you would think Russ should be able to identify
hard though.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
I mean if Spags, if you could do that, Spags
would have a job, you know what I mean. So
Spags does present some things, but there's some things that
the Giants offense can exploit. Seeing the arrival of Russell
Wilson in the offense last week gives me hope that
they can figure this Spagnola defense out because he's gonna
hit him with everything the Chiefs defense, and let me

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be honest, watching them on film, I didn't I was
surprised about those numbers you said, So was I to
be honest with you, because they did a great job
against for their field last week.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
Against the run, Philly also doesn't look right to me.
They didn't look right against Dallas in the week one
and they did not look right against the Chiefs in
week two.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
But the way you stopped the run, right is you
have everybody to create a line on defense.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
Yeah, you build a wall.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
And that's what the Chiefs did, besides the touchdown early
in the game, besides the late run by Sakuan, but
everything else straight line right. That's what the Giants gott
to prevent from happening. They have to prevent different levels.
Because when you prevent different levels, even the worst running
back in the league is gonna be able to find
those creases. That's what the Giants have to do against
this run game.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
U lest that I'll give and Lance and I got
into this on Tuesday a little bit. So in the
last three years, Russell will I have not gone back
further than that because Russ was in the NFC and
it was the games are too far apart. Last three years,
since he was with Denver and Pittsburgh, he's played the
Chiefs defense five times. He's one and four in those
five games. The only game he won he threw for

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only one hundred and fourteen yards, but the Chiefs had
five turnovers in that game. Okay, here were the other games.
I'll work backwards. I walked forwards from twenty twenty two.
In twenty twenty two game one, he was sacked six times,
had two hundred and forty seven passing yards Denver game two.
This is first year in Denver, YEP sacked four times,
two hundred and twenty two passing yard. Next year, second

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year in Denver game one, sacked four times, ninety five
passing yards.

Speaker 4 (17:47):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
Next game, this is the one that the only one
he won, sacked six times, only one hundred and fourteen
passing yards. And then last year with the Steelers sacked
five times two hundred and five passing yards. So he's
been sacked literally on the dot, an average of five
times in his last five games against the Chiefs, which
is again why I brought up the pressure stat. That's

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to me, the key to the whole shebang. Here is
how the Giants handles Spags as Blitzer, because look, Spags
thoses worked. I mean he sees it. I mean he
has he has a game plan for Russell Wilson that
he has used. He's going to go to it. Now
they have Trent McDuffie out there. I imagine he is
going to be all over the league neighbors in this game.
I would think he's going to travel with him.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
No offense to Diggs last week, Diggs not he's off.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
Well, he's back all the way correct, he can't.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
We're not going to see too many guys that looked
like that and Trump.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
And the thing about mcduffy that makes him tough is
that he's played full time in the spot nickel and
he's played full time outside, so he can follow neighbors everywhere.
And I imagine we're going to see a lot of that.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
Yeah, I think. So it's a challenge, you know, like
they don't call Spags bags, you know the guy that
you know, Andy Reids bags, Like they always met the
Spags for a reason. He's been doing this for a
very long time. He knows, he knows guys. He got
books on guys, he got book on Russell Wilson. I
didn't know those numbers. I wasn't aware of those numbers.
That it doesn't mean for me. I don't, I don't

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not expect that to happen. Like I think that they're
gonna get sacked. I think I think Russe Wilson will
get sacked on Sunday.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
I think this is john gonna be a low scoring, yes,
tight game, and somebody's gonna win twenty to seventeen or
seventeen sixteen. And whoever makes that one play at the
end or turns it over one time less, that's the
team that's probably gonna win this game. Yep.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
And to be honest, this is where Kansas City thrives, dude.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
They won nothing but close games last year and went
fifteen to two.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
That's where they thrive in the close games because you
have a a Andy Reid head coach Patrick Mahomes who
however you want to look at him. He plays better
as the games get tougher, as the game gets more
down the line and it gets more closer in the score,
and that the clock start dwindling down. He played better

(20:00):
and better and makes better and better decisions. His runs
look better, his throws, look look more precise. He's a
guy that rises to the occasion. On the other hand,
the Giants the last well, I guess we used last week.
Just last week, the Giants didn't play well at the
end of the game and overtime. Yep, at the end
of the game. In overtime, you know, the defense didn't

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get off the field to end the game. And in
overtime the defense had two stops and the offense made
some mistakes, and they had a heck of a game.
The offense did, but in overtime they didn't finish. So
this is a team that's been known to be a closer,
and the Chiefs, I guess the team, Well, we're gonna
use one game, the Dallas game. They didn't close the game.

(20:44):
How they should have closed the game. They have several
opportunities to do it. That's gonna be the hugest challenge
because I agree with you. I don't think it's gonna
be a lot of points. I don't think it's gonna
be a lot of yards. Hopefully it's a cleaner game
than we've seen throughout the whole NFL. Last week was
insane or how many penalties there was? I mean, it
was like only something called penalties on the Giants, right,
and they accepted fourteen fifteen fourteen.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
Got it and they were the right. They were like
Lance and I ended up on Tuesday. They were twenty
cold penalties.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
That was I've never seen anything like it.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
And by the way, they weren't bad calls either, right,
A couple.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
With Picky picky. The offensive pass affairs for Dallas was
was kind of picky picky, right.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
Okay, I didn't say that online Monday or Tuesday show,
but I thought so.

Speaker 5 (21:24):
SI.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
I also thought the roughing the past or the second
one on Roy Robinson Harris was a bad one I had.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
They said that's out of the I guess it was
what Dallas had ten sort of.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
Thirty twell, I think I think it was thirty almost.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Thirty five total calls, and three or four of them
was questioning sloppy football, very sloppy football. That has to
improve because the Giants in order to get where they
want went to go, they have to be more disciplined team.
I think you've been seeing the young, the young, the
youthh inis in the Giants, and also you know the
new pieces that are here, right because Holland is not

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young and Deebo's not you with they're new, right, it
takes a little time to jail. But the disciplinary stuff,
the Giants have to do a better job at that.
I'm sure they got refs at practice, right. Tell the
refs to be as on it in practice as they
are in the games. But I watched other games the
NFL refs are like that this year. They're calling everything
this year small.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
Especially formation stuff, to line, to scrimmage, all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
Yep, but that's something that you can't control as as
a football player. But what you could do is kind
of simulate it. You need to call it in practice
so they get used to being overcalled.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
You need to play how the refs are dictating you play.
Based on that final point I'll make, and then we'll
get to the calls. Because we did not mention who
probably is the second best player on the Chiefs yet,
and that's Chris Jones, their defensive tackle. As we know,
especially in Week one, the Giants guards and center have
had some issues with guys getting into the backfield against them.
Beast Chris Jones is a monster. Okay, it's funny. You

(22:54):
just see his size and his speed, and he's a
freak show just from a size perspective, and you see
him wine up. It's okay. Look in ninety five he's
bigger than everybody else. But look how we moves. It's crazy.
I was talking to Jermaine a luminoor yesterday and this, well,
i'll play this cut back when we do the pregame
show on Sunday, But he said, look, what makes Chris
Jones challenging is not necessarily his physical prowess. You can

(23:14):
tell that guy watches so much tape on the offensive
lineman he's going against. He knows what the offensive lineman
wants to do against him, and he has a slew
of counter move set up to combat exactly what the
offensive lineman he's gonna line up against is good at.
He's called him a technician. Yeah, you combine that with

(23:35):
just aw im press if he is physically that's what
makes Chris Jones so good. I imagine, Look, don't want
him at outside too. So yeah, you know, we'll see
if if Andrew Thomas doesn't play, it would shock me
to see him over the left tackle once or twice.
If Marcus bows out there, no wud not And otherwise
it's running it Schmid's, it's Van Roten, and they're gonna
have to block him because eventually Spags with all his
Butzer will set up one on one opportunities for Chris Jones,

(23:56):
and you're gonna have to block.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
I mean, there's gonna be a lot of one one
opportunities because you talk about forty per blitzing that creates
one on one forty eight even more. This is the
difference between our dtackle, who's all world in their D
tackle all world, our D tackle in Dexter Lawrence. He's
not moving around too much, right. They keep them basically
from the one to the three, between the guards right

(24:18):
the one and to three. That's pretty much. It knows
one three like all of that inside right, he Jones
moves all over right Dexter. The way he plays, he's
not getting out of his gap. He's just dominating the
guy in front of him or the two guys in
front of him. That's what he does and no one
does it better than them. He just pushes the guy back,

(24:41):
pushes two guys back, whatever the case is. He holds
it down. He's a force, he's a rock. Jones, on
the other hand, he will swim out of his gap.
He would smack a lineman by on a run play.
He would do things that are unconventional. He's a penetrator
that is difficult to go against because you know what
you have to do and you think he's go and
be somewhere, and all of a sudden he's not. And

(25:02):
with his athleticism in his size, he creates a challenge
for any offensive lineman in the league, any offensive scheme,
because he's unconventional and he has the moves, they experience,
the knowledge to kind of beat anything you throw at him.
At the end of the day, guys like that they
only got to win once or twice to record game. Yes,
is crazy, but that's the truth.

Speaker 3 (25:23):
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and also the Giants explosive offense performance last week and
they come out up later on today. Rio and Johnathan

(26:12):
to see us. I decided to put him in the
interview chair. Got to talk to his former teammate Devin mccordy,
and they had a great conversation about this game, some
of the matchups from a defensive point of view. Do
you want to give a preview of some of the
stuff you guys talked about.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
Boy, you gave us a little bit of a little
story about Dave Balls.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
Okay, we like that.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
Let's see if that comes out. Pierce.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
I don't think it will apparently, and I under saying
is that Pierson, like the first five minutes before you
got on hed he got to do a lot of
reminiscing with Devin mccordy. Did you really that was my understanding? No,
I just thanked him for some memories. Oh, but that
is not the story that I got. I got. There
was a lot of conversation.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
So me and Dev I met Devin and Jason twenty
years ago.

Speaker 3 (26:52):
Well, Jersey guys too.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
So we played in the Governor's Bow together, you know
that with each other? No, no, no, you played for
Jersey because remember he went to Saint Joe's Reasons, New York,
New Jersey. New York had Ray Rice. Yeah, New York
had Ray Rice on that. But it was me, Malcolm Jenkins,
Kyle Wilson, the mccordy twins, Kevin Mallice. I'm trying to

(27:14):
think anybody would Jersey. We had guys, We had guys.
I think bj Roger you might have been on the team. Nah,
I think we lost. It was like a low scoring game,
a lot of rushing yards, a lot of runs. The
quarterbacks couldn't really do anything down the field.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
It sounds like Northeastern Jersey, New York football.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
Right. So I met Devin and Jason back then, of course,
and then of course he went to Rutgers. I went
to Wisconsin and that was when they was in the
BIGGIAT so we never played each other. Then we got
to the league. Devin goes to the Patriots, Jason goes
to the Titans, and I never knew, Like, I couldn't
tell him apart before that, like ever, you know.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
I'm gonna ask you if they walked in here we're
in the same cycle, you.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Know, No, I could. I could now. So the hardest
part was seeing one of them by themselves, right, You'd
be like, is that Jason? Is that Devin? Like I
don't know which one it is? Right now, I can
because I played with Devin in twenty fourteen when we
were on the same team. Like I'm looking, I'm like,
I'm staring at him, like I need to see the
difference between the guys, right, And then the next time
I saw Jason, I said, all right, now I can

(28:15):
tell the difference between them.

Speaker 3 (28:16):
Is there something specific you look for?

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Is it's just Jason's eyebrows. It's a little bit more.
I'm telling you. This is how I know. I look
look right at the line, right, I mean they look
they have the same exact everything, but that it's a
little bit different. Their faces are a little bit different,
but it's hard because they're dark skinned. They're both got
ball heads, like you know, it's it's hard to see it.
But Jason has a little bit more of a like

(28:38):
a like a brow, like a thicker like brow, you know,
not the brow itself, but the forehead regions a little
bit thicker. That's it. Thought, That's all I got for you.
I but now I can tell them a party. It
took ten years thicker, yeah, yeah, yeah, And it took
ten years to be honest.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
I had interview both of them, and then they were
both here at training camp practice, and I was going
to go up and say, Hi, you didn't know what
And I'm like, you know what, I'm just not even
gonna embarrass myself. I'm gonna pass. And I'm just not
even gonna say I felt weird. I don't be like, hey,
what's up?

Speaker 2 (29:09):
Gods?

Speaker 3 (29:13):
And then one we here one week and again I'm like, shoot,
if I go up, what do I say?

Speaker 7 (29:18):
Right?

Speaker 3 (29:19):
I don't know which one it is?

Speaker 2 (29:20):
Right? Good stuff with the.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
Well both of the ward the pictures, I could actually
do that.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
What that conversation is like? Devin got three right, Devin
had two before Jason even won one, right, right, and
then Jason comes to team and win his first one,
and now Devin has three. I wonder what that thanks.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
Devon's like, well, you only one one because he joined me.
That's the only reason why you got one. I guarantee
that's been said a million times in Thanksgiving dinner. Oh
Man two one nine three nine four five three. So,
by the way, that'll be up some point this afternoon.
She makes you go check that out, and it looks
like when you get a good sc camp scataboo. On
our player interview podcast tomorrow on the Giant Tuttles makes you,
guys go check that out. Let's go to Kevin in

(29:59):
North Carol and he will lead us off today. Kevin,
what's going on?

Speaker 8 (30:02):
Many?

Speaker 6 (30:04):
What's up?

Speaker 5 (30:04):
Guys?

Speaker 6 (30:06):
Like he's the victory for the game. And then two
quick questions like he's the victory for the game, are
like you guys touched on stop Patrick mahomes legs. You know,
we gotta be able to contain, you know, not let
him get outside the pocket. And you know, even when
he's scrambling, he always keeps his down, his eyes down
the field, so you know, the corner's gonna have to
make sure that they you know, they keep their their

(30:27):
coverage tight there as well as defensively, uh, being able
to get to Patrick Mahomes, pressuring him, winning the time
of possession, and then touchdowns touchdowns. You know, we don't
need any more field goals. You gotta score touchdowns to
be Patrick mahone.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
Yeah, Kevin. By the way, it's red zone on both sides.
By the way, these the Giants defense has allowed way
too many touchdowns in the red zone and the offense
has not allowed touchdowns in the red zone, So it
goes both ways there. Definitely, all right, what are your
what are your two comments? Good question?

Speaker 7 (30:58):
Two quick questions I had.

Speaker 6 (30:59):
Is first ball I had for you guys, is you know,
you guys touched on Javon Holland you know he's you know,
I haven't seen much from javonall. He looks like he's
kind of struggling, you know, in his past coverage. You know,
I haven't seen him kind of make any you know,
impact plays. You know, he almost had an interception you
know that Cowboys game off a deflection you know, in
the end zone in the first half. So you know,

(31:20):
why why has he struggled. You know, why haven't we
seen him you know, making me big plays or you
know why he's been kind of often coverage opinion?

Speaker 3 (31:27):
And what's your second question, Kevin, I'll well answer both
at the same time.

Speaker 5 (31:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (31:31):
Yeah, And the second question I had was, you know
I called about this earlier after that Patriots preseason game,
you know, with Jalen Hyatts, where you know, I kind
of brought up, you know, is he going to be
in the dog house? You know, after having those couple
of couple of drops you know in the preseason game
that we haven't seen much of them on the field.
You know, we've seen both Collins out there. We haven't
seen you know, Jaylen Hyde out there. So you know,

(31:53):
is he again do you think he's.

Speaker 5 (31:54):
In the doghouse? Like what do you guys?

Speaker 7 (31:56):
Things going on?

Speaker 6 (31:56):
Like what haven't we seen him on the field yet?

Speaker 3 (31:58):
I appreciate the call, Kevin, good stuff on Hyatt. Again,
there's no room in the end, boye. Like he's a
speed guy. They have neighbors, they have Slaton. Why would
you take one of those guys off the field. So
I think that's the issue with Hyatt. He has not
proven to be better than one of those two guys
yet and that's why he isn't able to get on
the field. I don't think it's a dog got situation.
I just feel like they have guys ahead of him

(32:18):
that they think are more consistent, better players right now.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
And also there's a trust factor there. You know that
coaches play guys that they trust. You know, a couple
drops in the preseason. You know that that definitely hinders
it a little bit. Drops will happen, though, but like
they play guys they trust, not saying he can't be trustworthy,
but I think they have to build it up a
little bit more correct.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
And his other question, I don't know. Javon Hollen has
not been the playmaker so far in the first two
games that you have hoped. He's been around the ball
a bunch of times. I don't think he's played poorly,
but I think look, he's in a new defense. It
might take him some time to start making some of
those plays.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
I think that's what it really is. You know, I've
spoke about this the last two years. Given Shane bones
don't for a year and two games now, it takes
a while for you to understand the nuances of every defense,
and I've said this before, every Cover two is not
the same Cover two, Every Cover three is not the same.
There's different responsibilities. Right on cover three it all go special.
Everybody know, all goes special. That's basically four verticals. There's

(33:17):
a guy that kind of changes hashmarks. That responsibility is
different in different defenses. I mean see in the same
defenses for different teams. Right, you can run Cover three
and take it. You can run Cover three and drop it. Right,
These are little things that you gotta learn, and sometimes
you don't learn until the play happens in the game.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
Well, even in Tampa two, people use that middle linebacker differently,
different how far you.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
Have to go back far you have to go to
the backside linebacker and Cover two, what does he do? Right,
So there's a lot of different nuances that go into
learning defenses. And there's no question he's a pro. He
will learn how to run his defense efficiently. It just
takes a little time. You're not you can't run enough
plays in preseason to get yourself exposed to all the
nuances of the defense. There's something that he's gonna see

(33:58):
every game that's gonna be like, okay, now, now I
learned that. Now he's going to have to go through
that this year. Hopefully in the meantime, the Giants don't
give up forty points.

Speaker 3 (34:07):
Hopefully by midseason he'll have it. Yeah, let's go to
barryon Brooklyn. He's up next, Barry. What's up man?

Speaker 8 (34:13):
Heyo, John? What's up man? What's popping? I got a question.
What's the difference? I know the positions is different, but
Marcus bow and Evan Nil, it seemed like Marcus Bowl
played better in one game than Evan Nil did his
whole career with the Giants. I want to know, is
it like a confidence, a confidence a level concern there

(34:36):
or because I just it's just it's crazy how Marcus
Marcus Boker play one game and played the way he
played his first game and then we got Evan Nil.
That's damn there. You know, three hundred pounds and he
been giving us to what but he been giving us?
So I'm just trying to see is it a confidence
level there?

Speaker 5 (34:56):
What?

Speaker 3 (34:57):
It's a good question. Barry. Appreciate the call, thank very much.
It's funny. He sounds just like my best friend's dad
and who's also from Brooklyok. He has that Brooklyn Barry,
you are bringing me home, dude. That's what it is.
That is exactly what that was. Barry sounds like like
my my best my best friend's dad sounds if he

(35:18):
gets excited. That's exactly what he sounds like. I don't look,
I don't know if it's a confidence thing. And look,
Evan Neil has had individual games where he played as
well as boded like. I will give you the numbers
just to be uh fair in terms of some of
the metrics and PFF like, I thought Marcus Boll played
really well. He look PFF's great him great as a

(35:39):
fifty one, all right.

Speaker 8 (35:41):
He gave up No.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
One quarterback hit one quarterback Curry five times. I was
beaten by the defender, but the ball got out before
pressure got on the quarterback. So again I thought he
played well. But if you get the past blocking great,
it's very comparable to some of the past grades.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
That Evan, you'll have like circumstance right here, what you're
talking about, correct, So I think we have to see
something that like something else.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
Given the numbers, absolutely, and again I think Marcus will
play a good game. It was very encouraging if Andrew
Thomas can't go this week. I would have Marcus Bowl
as my starting left tackle. I don't know what the
Giants are gonna do, but that's what I would do
for whatever that's worth, which is not a whole lot.
But I think you're happy with what he looks like.
I think the difference between Bo and Neil or his feet,
he's that much better quickness and feet and balance than

(36:22):
Neil does.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
That's something when when Neil did play in the times
I seen him play, he was on the ground a lot,
you know, and it's hard to play in the NFL
if that's something that people associate you with as being
on the ground a lot. And I mean Bo the
first game he did something very bad. We talked about
the oversplit that was really bad.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
But wait, wait, wait, wait, rookie, you mean you don't
want your offensive lineman to turn around and run into
your running back on the goal lide? Is that something
you don't want to happen?

Speaker 2 (36:48):
Hopefully?

Speaker 3 (36:50):
But by the way, and all jokes aside, that happened.
We talked about it last year. Did you see that
played all over social media and people mocking the play?
Did you I didn't see it that much. What if
Evan Neil.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
Made that play, Oh, I see what you're saying. I
say that I seen it maybe during the game because
they showed it so many.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
Times, but no, but it wasn't like mocked during the
week on the internet. If Evan Neil had made that play, Jays,
how much of the point would we have seen that with?
Oh my gosh, he's running into his guy stings. What
is he doing? What a terrible play? Oh he's lost,
he's still doing this. It's brutal. But Marcus bo does it.

(37:31):
People make it, you know, we talk about it a
little bit, but it's not this you know, viral clip
on Twitter or whatever where people are mocking the poor kids.
So I think there's some of that in there too.
Sorry for interrupting.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
No, no, you're good. I was just gonna say, that's
the difference between the guy that drafted in the top
ten and the guy that drafted in the.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
Fourth, fifth round. Absolutely, that's fair too.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
Yeah. I think that's it when it comes to the
scrutiny to Epaneil Gods, because that's what everybody says. When
we've been getting you know, fielding calls about Evan Nel
for three years and every time they call this is
your four, they say, right, but they so they say
he was a top ten draft pick. That is the
point they always make. He was a top ten draftick.

(38:13):
He was the top ten, which is understandable, It's very understanding.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
And I get it. But I think we also need
to see Marcus bow for more than a game. I mean,
who's the Cowboys best edge rusher? Exactly right? He wasn't
block of Micael Parsons, right, So just something to keep
in mind moving forward. Again, Love what I saw boula Us,
like what we saw in the preseason form him. And
that's why when I look at these offensive linemen, the
first thing I always look for. I know that people

(38:39):
don't consider it an athletic position.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
I want to.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
I want to, really I want an athlete that left tackle.
You know, why what do you always say, who are
the best athletes on the field? National tresh That's why
you need Look the guy might be six five and
three hundred and thirty pounds, but that do better be
able to move and have really good feet.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
Absolutely, and Marcus Baull looked right.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
Now, he's only listened three hundred pounds. He's probably a
little bit light in the butt. We saw him get
pushed back a couple of times in the game, but
we knew that coming out. It takes these young offensive
tackles sometimes a little time to add some strength. Yeah,
little time to put on some weight. That's going to happen.
You have to be patient. Very rarely except for you know,
the Tyrant Smith's of the world and the Tristan Warfs
of the world, and the Pennysools of the world. Do

(39:22):
you get guys that are dominant right away his offensive
tackles in.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
The first year. And and Bo has seen some talented
pass rushers in his big ten days, right, He's seen some.
Oh yeah, he hasn't seen every one. No, these are
the best pass rushers in the world. I remember he
has to see every week.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
I don't think he ever really lined up much against
Abdul Carter. That did not happen a ton. I think
he had a few snaps against him. But he lined
up against both those Ohio State pass rushers last year
who were good players. But again, those guys are what
three and four pass rushers in National Football.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
League, And we're talking about once or twice a year.
You might see a guy in college in the league.
You're going to see a guy every week and then
hopefully not too many times, but you're gonna see somebody
who's the best. Not one of the best in college football, no,
one of the best in the world. You're gonna see
at some point Chris Jones is one of them. And

(40:18):
if he lines up on the outside, he might line
up outside of the boat or Hudson. Whoever was that?
Did they declare that Andrew Thomas?

Speaker 3 (40:26):
Thomas has been practicing right, Yeah, he practiced yesterday. He
was limited. He did a lot more than he did.
I think what he does today will be a good
sign to see how he was a pad of practice yesterday.
He took more reps and team reps in a practice
and he has all year round, all year long. Let's
see what it looks like this week. In fact, I'm
going to take a look real quick.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
On one of Rover said he.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
Was getting the cut today too. That was good. I
just went to my barber.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
Does that help?

Speaker 2 (40:47):
That's a good sign when you're not playing, when you're
not playing, about the haircuts.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
So you think though he's thinking about the walk in
pregame right now? I mean yeah, because on him, see
this is the type of insight that we looked for
from Jonathan shot. The x's and o's are great, but
the players psychology with the haircut.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
That's it. Man, it's good. I'm trying to figure it
out because we don't know anything here.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
That's good.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
They leave us in the move over here. We don't
we don't know nothing.

Speaker 3 (41:20):
That's that's that's actually very fascinating. Two O one di
three died four five one three. Wilson, this is like
your third call this week, bro, Come on.

Speaker 5 (41:28):
Man to me.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
I know still.

Speaker 7 (41:36):
Yeah, yeah, listen, you know, listen. Pearson gave me a
free path that they don't get upset.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
All right, No, I'm not upset. I'm laughing. Just talk
to JC, get your photographs, make it quick. I want
to get other people. Okay.

Speaker 7 (41:47):
I had to to say hi to my buddy.

Speaker 3 (41:49):
You know that I don't.

Speaker 7 (41:50):
So hurry up, go go go go go Okay, okay, okay,
I listen so real quick. Before the game, Jonahan, I
want to tell you I want to ask something as
a former player and as I'm man, I know Johnny
tells me all the time that don't listen to the
outside noise and none of that stuff, and the players
don't listen to it, but listen to me as as
a player and as a man in that locker room
right when you have to hear, because at the end

(42:12):
of the day, it's a it's a media driven support.
When you got to hear that this is a get
right game for the for the for the for the
Kansas City Chiefs, that it is mindless to think that
the Giants can win this game, and it's you know
you can. It's a better chance you getting hit by
lightning that the Giants winning this game. As a man
in the locker room, though, of yo, it has to

(42:33):
bother you. It bothers me, and I don't have no
skin in the game, so it's kind of bother you.
Don't That don't bother you, Jonathan, the truth.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
No, Like we we've talked about this plenty of times, Wilson.
When I played ball, I'd never listened to anything. I
didn't even know what Smelke was saying. And I talked
to Smoke on a weekly basis when I played, but
I didn't know. I didn't care, And I don't think
these guys do. I think they see maybe some of
the memes and some of the stuff like that, because
everybody's on social media, but they're not hearing like the

(43:02):
guys like you know, the ESPN guys and Jordan Renind's
all of those guys that you know really be talking,
you know a lot about the Giants. I don't think
they listening to it, none of that stuff, bro. And
and if they are, they don't it don't phase them.
I don't think.

Speaker 6 (43:14):
So.

Speaker 8 (43:15):
Okay, okay, okay, all right.

Speaker 7 (43:17):
And Johnny on the game to say that this game
is a month game, it's like the cliche thing to say.
I mean, I mean that five year old can say.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
No thing's gonna be cliche, but they can still.

Speaker 5 (43:27):
Be true, all right.

Speaker 7 (43:29):
And I and I told you, and I know I
told you that my season was over and they have
no hope.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
First of all, wait, wait a second, John Wilson, did
you say our season was over after week two?

Speaker 5 (43:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (43:41):
He did, absolutely, And he said he's giving up. You're
giving up?

Speaker 5 (43:46):
What is going on here?

Speaker 7 (43:47):
I thought was cool, Bro, I did because I didn't
see any hope. But I'm gonna give myself one mulligain.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
So it is taking precisely two days Wilson for you
to decide that you have hope again.

Speaker 7 (44:00):
No, because because I boy, I you know, I thought
about it. You know, I think once in a while, Johnny,
I'm not like crazy all the time, so I thought
about it most of the time. I listened to me
this to me, now listen, but to me, this is
a this is a cross roads game, a franchise cross

(44:22):
roads game. And I tell you why. I could see if, if,
if somehow we win this game, right, I can, I can.
I truly believe, you know how pestimistic I am, that
we can go on a run, that we can go
on a run. I really do believe that, right because
I think I think it could be a starving a

(44:44):
starving fan based saving game. I could see. I could
see a job with plural savings game I can really do.
By Johnny and Jonathan, the best thing goes south, if
this thing goes up, if the wheels come off, and
national television, where the hundred cameras all over the place,

(45:08):
if this craziness happening on the sideline like the other
day in Dallas, and there's a camera and John Marrath's
face camera and Brian Davis face camera, I'm the leak,
neighbor's face listen, could could it could go south quickly too?
Next week, man, next week, it could be a craz

(45:30):
two week.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
Thank you. Wilson appreciate the call. I thought he's anticipating
craziness now.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
But how quick did I get him to not give
up on a team? I got him quick. That was
like ten seconds. I was like, come on, bro, He's like, tell.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
He has thought deeply about all these topics. It is
really conviction all his struggly held. Wednesday was a big
day for him. No, he called it Tuesday's over. No,
he didn't call it yesterday. But I think Pierce's point
is that he took a day.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Took a day, I got y'all, got j have rest
at home, and he.

Speaker 3 (46:02):
Thought he sat down. He probably sat down in his
old armchair, and he's like, you know, maybe it's not over.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
We'll see after this week. We'll after this one.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
But if they lose this week that.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
He's hilarious. I love talking to dude.

Speaker 5 (46:17):
Dude.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
I found out he called up the postgame show. He
used to like run a car wash. He watched Tiki's cars.
Him and Tiky know each other, slice of pizza together.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
Ones would like, so now their besties.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
Now he thinks their besties, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
I love awesome.

Speaker 3 (46:33):
He's awesome, dude, Wilson, we love you. We're just having
fun with it, you know.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
Yeah. But but he made a point in a little bit.
This This is a big game. It's a big game.

Speaker 3 (46:40):
It's a big game game for both teams.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
When you look at the Giants and you know, look
who they have after of course we go week the week,
but I mean the Chargers, man, they might be the
top of the league right now. They've been top of
the league. You say top of the league, but how
their defense is playing, their offense is playing.

Speaker 3 (46:56):
There right now, the fourth or fifth in Super Bowl
odds right now.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
Yeah, they're a tough, tough out and their mentality has
changed with that coach for the last coupley.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
By Brian Dabeles said that Andrew Thomas came out well yesterday.
He'll do the same number of snaps today and we'll
see how he reacts to back to back heavy practices,
and if he does, then I think we could be
good to go for some day.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
Well, my question is because playing linebacker, you could be
a limited play. I could play fifteen to twenty plays
and I'll be fine.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
That's the thing. He wants to be able to be
out there for all.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
The snaps, all the plays because offensive life.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
And that's why you have to build up, right, That's
why two weeks ago and I'm like, oh, we practiced
on Friday, and I'm like, yeah, dude, he took like
a half dozen snaps and come.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
On multiple days in a row.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
I think that's what true want.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
So I'm not.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
I don't think he's technically going to be full yesterday
and today, but he did a lot more, probably closer
to full. So I think you're getting into more realistic territories.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
And it's a little bit like when I talk about
myself as a linebacker. Basically every other position besides the
offensive line, it's different because you're either all in or
all out with that position.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
Yeah, I think, yeah, yeah, I agree that, you know,
like and quarterback.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
Quarterback and maybe kicker, like you know, stuff like that.
But the positions, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
If you only want to play seventy percent of the snap,
you can do that.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
But not at this position. So that's the big thing
is like, I don't know what he's listening now, is
it doubtful? Probably doubtful. Is it doubtful right now? Because
today's the day right.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
No, tomorrow, tomorrow's Friday, that's when they have to So.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
Whatever that means, doubtful means he's either playing or he's
not playing at all.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
My prediction will be that he will be questionable and
be a game time decision.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
That's exactly what I'm thinking of. It will be my prediction,
and it'll be all in or all out.

Speaker 3 (48:26):
Yeah, one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
Yeah, you can't play thirty percent of the snaps. You
can't just play nickel like that doesn't happen along off it's.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
Right, or come in in two minute drills or and
if you're a wide receiver in third downs and stuff
like that, like you can't do that. But you really
got to get these guys back to back for me, Pearson,
I'm going to save him for the last call of
the show. I want to close the show with him.
Let's go to Alex and Syracuse first, Alex, what's going on?

Speaker 9 (48:48):
Hey, guys, I'll be pretty quick and let whoever that
last person.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
No, take your time, Alex, Alex take your time. You
could take as much time as you want.

Speaker 5 (48:55):
Bro.

Speaker 9 (48:56):
Everybody knows what that is well, Actually, you know what,
it's a perfectly into my first point, because I think
his last person is first the two legitimate questions for it.
But I want to get on my high horse, but
just one second here, because I've spent on this show
a little bit, but just amongst my friends and family,
I've spent a lot of time talking about how quarterbacks
and again, I know this is what happens, but they
get good rets, too much credit when things go well,

(49:17):
and way too much blame when things aren't going well
when things around them in context have a lot to
do with it, and that conversation gets so lost, And
I just want to say I spent a long time
defending Daniel Jones and to see him have the success
that he's having any playmat two games, I'm not like
crowning the guy, but I'm happy for him. But also
I want to get on my little high horse and

(49:38):
say all those people that said that that he was
like throwing them off, like he was the worst thing
that ever happened. Again, I just think that we've proven
that at least that part of it is not true.
And I would love to get our next callers response
to that, because nobody perhaps was as hard as the
guy on the guy. I mean, I will give Rich
Eyes and credit. He's the only person that I have
heard who has talked so much trash actually come out

(50:00):
out and say, you know what, I was wrong, I'm sorry,
and you never hear it. Well, they're doing it to Russ.
You did it to Russ all off season. Russ has
a great game. And even still people aren't really saying
nice stuff about Rus. They're just saying, well, the Dallas
defense is terrible.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
Well, I will remind you of one thing, and you
and you, and you did the proper caveat saying it's
only been two games.

Speaker 5 (50:16):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
Do you remember who the top offense in the National
Football League was last year after two games? I go
it was the New Orleans Saints.

Speaker 9 (50:26):
Well that suck. That worked out.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
Yeah, So to your point, now, I will give them credit.
The Colts did it against the Broncos last week, who
are a real defense. So tough game, really tough game,
and Daniels played great. I'm throwed for him, but again,
much better situation around him. Let's see if for a
few more weeks, maybe teams seeing what Saint Stikeen's doing
they'll figure some stuff out. But to your point, Alex, sure,

(50:50):
even if they were gress and then instead of being
the best offensive league and they're the fourteenth best offense
in the league and Daniel Jones comes out as like
the eighth, the fifteen, their sixteenth best quarterback this year,
something like something like that. Right, It's still not what
people were saying about him when he was here. To
your point, which I think you're absolutely right on.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
About, and the situation is a lot different. And you
got to remember, right, we talk about the resurgence of
a lot of guys Gino, Sam Donald, Right, these guys
had to sit down for a while. They had to
sit down for a second, not just a year after
year after year in Jay recover, they had to sit down.

(51:31):
Daniel Jones had to sit down last year half a year.
He was third string if I'm not mistaken last year, right,
So he had to sit down. He had to humble
himself and humble his mind a little bit. It's a
lot going on when every year you're being criticized, critiqued,
you know, just and then you hurt on top of that.

(51:52):
It takes a lot on your mental It takes a
lot on your spirit as a human being. I think
that time away from ball, sitting down for a while,
no pressure for the first time in his life, but
the first time no pressure. And even this year he got,
you know, thrust it to the Colts. They were thinking
about the other kid, Richardson being playing over him and

(52:14):
Daniel Jones winning proved that he's a better quarterback. I
knew that was gonna happen. I've seen Daniel Jones. I
think having time on the bench for a little bit
help Daniel Jones help him get his mind right, helped
him get his emotions together, helped him get his you know, man,
this is how I play quarterback. I kind of forgot
a little bit how to play quarterback a little bit.
I think that happens to guys sometimes.

Speaker 3 (52:36):
Yeah, I think it does too. Yeah he was out.

Speaker 9 (52:38):
Yeah yeah, quick question for you guys. Sure so I
totally agree with you John's that I think we got
a pressure Patrick Mahomes and sure, if you can do
it with four guys upfront, that's ideal. But if you
got to bring seven guys, I just can't get Pastor
Mahomes's time. He's gonna do Patrick Mahomes stuff regardless so
I think our defense, we just got to bring pressure regardless.
And then my question for you guys is on offense,

(52:59):
did you just talking about the offensive line and how
good these athletes are on defense? So I get you
kind of have to build an offensive line that has
sort of agility and speed, especially on the edge. I
wish moving forward that we would build some more power inside.
I mean, I think, as a Giants fan, like that's
kind of poison identity. That's not really the way this
offensive line is built. It's more a pass you know,

(53:19):
defending sort of line or whatever, and there's a little
more speed, it's a little lighter. So my question is
in the run game, I feel like we keep trying
to run right up the gut with these plays where
it's like you're relying on bigger guys to make bigger holes.
And it seems like we might be more successful sort
of getting guys on the move, doing some more gap
scheme stuff and like going more to the outside and
playing to our strength of speed and trying to tire

(53:41):
that line their defensive line down rather than just trying
to move guys all the time. And I haven't seen
that yet, And I just wanted to give your thoughts
on that.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
Alic, good question. I don't think they've done zone runs
particularly well this year so far. I think it's your
take on that. I feel like they've been a little
out of sync on those. They love running the dual
plays of double teams. I think they've been better at that,
and yeah, I think I think that's where the NFL setting.
I think the NFL setting the gap scheme stuff with
lighter lungingbackers, and so I think that's what you're going
to see more of, some of the duo, some of

(54:08):
the gap scheme stuff, and yeah, I'd like to see
more of that this week too.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
I'm with you.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
And by the way, the offensive I'm it all told
me to a man that they think their best run
play last year was duo. That's what they did the best,
So I'd like to see more of that.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
That's a couple of double teams guys, basically, yes.

Speaker 3 (54:20):
Correct, But yeah, but if you want to run some
more outside stuff, pinpoll stuff like, I'd be fine with
that too. I got no problem with that.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
The first two weeks of the year, I basically seen
guys just getting penetration the defensive line, linebackers say whoever
it is that's getting penetration. So we talked earlier about levels. Right,
it's good offensively when you have levels, but not when
the level starts in the backfield. It needs to be
beyond the line of scrimmage. And you've seen a lot

(54:47):
of penetration. So a lot of that. The Bowl play
from week one that was you know that him running
into it was a scatable right, the running back that
play was it. We talked about it. That was a
technique thing he gave. He was too. It's load of
an alignment, right, and then of course you can't make
your play like that. Things like that they have to
continue to shore up because it's not too many times

(55:09):
where you see guys are just getting blown off the ball.
A lot of times it's either not the right step,
not the right technique, not the right hand placement. As
time goes on, I expect these things to improve. Yes,
it's early, but you gotta remember the preseason is not
the preseason from fifteen years ago when I was playing ball,
when every single player in the league played that third

(55:29):
preseason game. In the fourth preseason, nobody played because they
already got their plays. No one plays, and of course
it's a little bit of playing, but I'm talking about
it would be the third game would be at least
the second time you've seen your starters for a prolong
period of time. So when they look at the preseason,
the guys that starters played a whole game were for

(55:51):
plays in the preseason. Now it's what one quarter maybe
if that one quarter, which is like multiple drives. So
the first and the first and second game in the
season is basically like a preseason game where you're still
knocking the rust off, you know what I'm saying, Like
it's definitely not preseason. These games counting, they matter, but
they're still getting their feet underneath them. They're still learning things,

(56:13):
they're still ironing things out, they're still getting used to
their shoulder pads, you know, because if you haven't been
doing it the way the NFLPA is, they can't really
hit in practice like you're doing the most of it.
I know, right reveing in now today not at all.
I didn't know we were talking about this, But the
way practices is now, it's it's it's it's very difficult.

(56:36):
The practices are like glorified walk through the pads on
you know, like there's no hating that goes on, and
I think the guys in the first two weeks of
the season are still getting acclimated to playing football.

Speaker 3 (56:47):
I love how people that are Christius' age now talk
like old heads. It's like it's like levels you have,
like the Howard Cross level of like.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
He's a og ogriple og.

Speaker 3 (56:57):
Yeah, he's a triple og. You're an unk.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
I'm an unk. There you go, I'm unk.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
I'm I learned that from the social media team this year.
Aren't you proud of me?

Speaker 2 (57:04):
There you go? Just yeah, I learned that I was
un by my daughter. She was like, yeah, you're definitely unk.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
I don't know what I want to nickname this guy. Hi, Charlie,
how are you?

Speaker 9 (57:19):
Hey?

Speaker 5 (57:19):
Guys, Hey, jac Hey j On. Don't you have me
on the Hangout? I think I'd be great with you guys.

Speaker 3 (57:26):
Actually, Charlie Pearson is the producer of that show. So
when when he screens your call, if you if you
if you want to try to lobby that from him.
Pearson's the guy to talk to you about that. He's
in charge.

Speaker 5 (57:35):
Come on, man, look I'd be great on that show.
I love Russ Rus loves me.

Speaker 3 (57:41):
And that would be sounds like a lot of editing.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
Great answer, Pearson, great answer, Great answer, Bro, you'd.

Speaker 5 (57:54):
Have the biggest audience of any hangout. I'm telling you
man editing for.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
fIF team in the show.

Speaker 3 (58:02):
Yeah, they're gonna have to show out he doesn't left.
So Charlie did did your response to the to the
Daniel Jones call?

Speaker 5 (58:09):
Okay, let me give you an analogy.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
Children, right, I'm aware children there when they're out.

Speaker 5 (58:16):
There playing, right, Yeah, they're so cut right and they're
laughing and they're laughing, but just wait five minutes, they'll
be crying. They'll be crying and they'll be like whining
and everything else. That's Daniel Jones. Two games. That's that's
just two games. Daniel Jones is who he is, and
he'll show you who he is. He's mediocre, tapioca and

(58:37):
master the guy is. So I'm glad he's off this team.
I'll never watch a game that he plays unless he's
in the super Bowl, and I'll have to, but I'm
not counting on that. And let me just say this
about Thomas. They should rest this guy. This guy has
a When was the last time he played twenty years ago?
I mean it was like over a year ago. He's played.

Speaker 3 (58:57):
That's why they're slowly ramping ab up, Charlie. They're trying
to do this responsibly.

Speaker 5 (59:02):
What you ramping them up was this last week and
this week, and it's just one.

Speaker 3 (59:05):
Oh, this is the third week, this time out, time out, timeout.
He got taken off the pup lists in the middle
of August, so you ramp them up with some of
the non team stuff in August, and he's done team reps.
I'm telling you what he did. The first two to
three weeks. He did some, Charlie. You ask and then
you keep talking. The first three weeks he did more
individual stuff. They ramped them up the team stuff the

(59:28):
first week of September, and they're given him more team
reps and increase them back to back day Charlie. That's
all you can do. What else do you want to do.
You can't put him in some minor league football game.
This is only way you can ramp them up. There's
no other way. You can't set up the Ruckers and
have them play against freaking Northwestern this week. That's not
gonna work.

Speaker 5 (59:48):
If they put him in this game, he is not
going to be the Thomas you know he's gonna be bad.
He's gonna be like Deck Deck.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
Charlie. I'm very happy that you've been watching him at
practice and you've been with the training staff and you
know exactly what a health status is. I'm glad you
have that insight.

Speaker 5 (01:00:04):
All right, all right, put him in there, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
No, Charlie, I'm not telling you. I know what I'm
telling you. I don't know what he's going to look like.
I'm not the one telling telling the world here that
you know exactly what's going to happen.

Speaker 5 (01:00:15):
All right, I'm just saying I'm giving you. I'm just
telling you. I'm telling you my opinion. You don't take
a guy who hasn't played in one hundred years and
put him out there. Aren't respect him.

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
To be it all pro So, Charlie, when when are
you play? And then what's your threshold? When do you
decide when he gets to play?

Speaker 5 (01:00:31):
He needs he needs another two weeks of ramping up
at least before he gets out there. But that's all
I wanted to say about Thomas. Let me say the
intangibles of this game. For one, how do we do
on primetime games?

Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
I'm not great records not not good.

Speaker 5 (01:00:48):
Yeah, not good at all.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
Right, No, but it's usually because you're playing really good
teams is a big reason of that.

Speaker 5 (01:00:54):
Yeah, that's right. Are we playing a really good team?
I think so. And look, Mahome, No, Mahomes knows, this
is a national game. The whole NFL is going to
be watching. All his divisional flows are going to be watching.
You think he's gonna come out and they're going to
lay an.

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
Egg against nat Challe. You're right because last week when
you did the rematch of the Super Bowl against the
Eagles on National TV on Fox at four to twenty five,
Mahomes definitely did not get up for that game. He
went in saying, Eh, it's only the team he lost
to in the Super Bowl. I'm not gonna play well.
If I don't play well, no one's gonna notice. It's fine,
don't worry about it.

Speaker 5 (01:01:27):
All I'm saying is they You know, it was a
twenty to seventeen games. It wasn't like they got blown
out like the Super Bowl did that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
I said it was good. I said it's gonna be close,
because that's what the Chiefs do. They play close games.

Speaker 5 (01:01:40):
All I'm trying to tell you the momentum in that
intangibles and Mahomes throws well out of the pocket. He
doesn't have to stay in the pocket.

Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
He throws all everywhere. He's patching.

Speaker 4 (01:01:51):
Mahomesild so is in Kelsey and where these coming back
telling us that he's playing. It sounds like it might
not be d but Mahome said, I want him on
the field.

Speaker 5 (01:02:07):
He will make a big difference whether they throw to
him or not throw to him. He's going to make
a difference. They're going to run the ball because we
can't stop the run to save our life, and they're
going to get one hundred and twenty five one hundred
and thirty five yards for them. It's going to be
really good. And look, we're not winning this game. And
everybody thinks it's going to be a close game.

Speaker 7 (01:02:27):
I don't.

Speaker 5 (01:02:27):
We think can't say he's going to come out and
put up some points and we're not going to put
up points like we did last week. And Ruff is
going to be running for his life this week.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
Because Fag sounds like you're very excited for the game, Trolley,
it sounds like you cannot wait to see this game
on Sunday night. Sounds like you're pumped.

Speaker 5 (01:02:44):
I am pumped because I know Bags is going to
be sending the house and our offensive line is not
going to know what the heck is going on, and
it's going to be bad. All I'm saying is our
defense won't play as bad as last week. If they do,
then they should just quit and walk up off the field.
And and our offense is not going to play as
well as they did last week. And so look, Mahomes

(01:03:07):
is not going to lose this game. Andy Reid is
not going to lose this game. They're going to win
this game. And this, like I said, I give four games.
I said, we're going to be own four and the
Chargers are going to beat us too, and then what
you know, we're gonna We're going to go into New
Orleans praying for a win, and then it's just.

Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
Thank you, Charlie. And then we're gonna have a and
then we're gonna have an eclipse, and the Son's not
gonna come out for three weeks. I think Christmas is
gonna get canceled. They're going to run out of turkeys
for Thanksgiving. Oh my gosh, everything's gonna go terribly, Charlie.
I expected expected I think you need the Russ Wilson,
Charlie hangout Pearson. We don't have to, Eric, I just

(01:03:46):
want to have it for internal purposes.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
I think we got to.

Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
Casa said there too, because he can kind of got
the three personality.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
And I'm the only one I could tolerate them. You can't.
There's no way you'll be on it. You'll be like,
all right, I'm hanging enough. I can't do this.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
Honestly, I think I would in that situation. I would
be able to just sit back and enjoy the show
a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
That's it, as long as you're not talking, because you
would probably curse one of those guys out for real.

Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
Well, I would understand what I'm getting into. Oh and
I do, And I know it wouldn't air anyway. It's
not live. It's different, right, it's not a live show.
So I think you understand that. You know, stuff can
be cleaned up and it would be good and fixed
in posts good. So just to give you an idea, folks,
when I said, the Chiefs played close games and then
we gotta go eat some lunch starting in Week eight

(01:04:31):
last year, Okay, in the regular season, the Chiefs finished
the regular season, going nine and two, okay, and the
last game didn't count, no, correct, all right, so we
can throw that out. So let's throw out that last game.
So besides that Denver game, they went nine and one
in their final ten meaningful games. But here were the scores, Okay,
twenty seven to twenty at Vegas. The Raiders stunk last year,
thirty twenty four win overtime against the Bucks, one score game,

(01:04:55):
sixteen to fourteen, win against the Broncos, two point game,
thirty to twenty one, lost to Buffalo nine point game,
thirty to twenty seven. Win at Carolina, not exactly a
powerhouse three point win nineteen seventeen win home verse the
Raiders two point win nineteen seventy win versus the Chargers
two point win. That one wasn't home at Cleveland twenty

(01:05:16):
one seven home versus Houston twenty seven to nineteen, one
possession game, and then at Pittsburgh twenty nine to ten
on December twenty fifth. Those are all close games, jac
every single one of those, except for Pittsburgh, which but I.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
Mean they started the game like that to I don't
know why you just used the back hap of the season,
because the whole season was like that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:38):
Yeah, you know, you're not wrong. Twenty seven to twenty,
twenty six, twenty five, twenty two, seventeen, seventeen to ten.
Then you have two double digits in the their twenty
six thirteen Saints twenty eighteen nine ers. But yeah, two
or three, it's all one s four games. So the
Giants are going to have opportunities to win this game. Yeah,
but can they take advantage of those opportunities? That final thoughts?

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
That's it? Well, I mean that's it. I think you
got a Giant team that has to figure out how
to close games against a team that know how to
close games, but they haven't done it yet this year.

Speaker 3 (01:06:06):
All right, I think we need to workshop that when
we have our Dave Dominic meeting later on today. Pearson,
maybe we may. I think maybe you need to pitch
Wilson and Charlie together your thoughts. Uh No, there is
some type of concept in there to use, some type
of fan thing. Yeah, no, that's true. Yes, there might

(01:06:30):
be some type of like I.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
Gotta not work that day and I could drink a
little bit so I could have them, I could be
out there with them.

Speaker 3 (01:06:35):
Yeah, I think we need to do it, but just
for internal consumption, like we can't forget. Although I would
not suggest we air any of this, I think just
for our personal entertainment. Gotcha, Okay, I can look at
and do that. Yeah, I think we need to consider that.
Maybe I'm not sure if the guys. I think the
guys would be into it. We'll figure it out, all right.
That's a Big Boo kick Off Live presented by Cadillac,
the official luxury Vehicle, The Giants and the Hackensack Renello

(01:06:57):
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We'll have sanity tomorrow at twelve thirty. I think Jays
always a pleasure doing this.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
I mean this is fine, absolutely brother for John, we can.

Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
See as I'm John Schmelch. We'll see tomorrow twelve thirty
for another Big Book ke Off Live and a reminder,
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