Big Blue Kickoff Live 9/24 | Turning the Page to Los Angeles

Madelyn Burke and Shaun O’Hara preview the Giants’ upcoming matchup with the Chargers, discuss the Jaxson Dart news, and take calls from fans.

0:00 - Turning the page to Los Angeles

19:00 - Daboll press conference news

22:10 - Calls

35:00 - Dart reactions

44:20 - Player updates

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some big news coming out in the New York Giants
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Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yeah, that escalated quickly. You know, It's I think it
was something that you know, Look, we did a postgame
show on Sunday night.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
And we're familiar. Jackson Dart will be starting week four.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Yeah, thank you you heard it here first, yeah, or
third or breaking news, breaking news, Yeah, obviously that came
down yesterday, and you know, I think I think everybody
felt like we were trending in this direction and it
almost felt inevitable when you saw how the offense struggled
to score points again, and you know, after that Dallas

(01:36):
explosion of points the Kentsas City game, he was like,
all right, hey, you know, looking forward to seeing which
offense shows up. Was it the Week one offense that
scored six points against Washington or is it the you know, explosive,
big play offense that we saw on week two.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
It's like, proved to me which one is the Norman,
which one is the anomaly?

Speaker 1 (01:53):
Yeah, this was kind of like the tie breaker, right.
So the fact that there were so many struggles in
the red zone that last possession of that game, I thought,
you know, was very indicative of, look like we got
to change something. Something's got to you know that the
two interceptions I thought that Russell threw were avoidable and
I thought they were costly. One of them was in
the end zone, so that took points off the board. Obviously,
the Gano situation made things a little dicey as well.

(02:15):
But the interception right before the half, it's second and seven.
It's a tie ball game. And you know that I
thought Russell got greedy on that interception trying to go
deep to Malik. I think he had little Jordan for
a first down on second and seven. Eighty one. Yeah, sorry,
changed numbers, And those plays right there are like, man,

(02:36):
that decision costs us points and in the end that
end up costing you a game.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
So do you think it was do you think it
was getting greedy or do you think it was pressing
the ball to your you know, arguably best wide receiver
on the team who hasn't yet had a reception at
that point.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
The reason why I say it was greedy is because
it's as a quarterback, it's always it's supposed to be
first down then touchdown, not touchdown then first down in
that situation. But the throw, the safety was screaming over
to the top, and you know, I mean, look, he
would have had to been the perfect throw, and you know,
I mean that it's a low percentage throw, but the
defense was built to not let that play get behind

(03:13):
him and not let neighbors get behind him and it
would have been a tough catch for neighbors, even if
it had been a better thrown ball, but the decision.
If nobody else was open, I would say, okay, look,
you took a shot because nobody else was open. But
you know, bo Collins was was open, and it would
have been a first down. You move the sticks. So
that's why I say, you know, he got greedy on
that specific play. I think it was just pressing, you know,

(03:35):
like you said that maybe is a better term for it.
He pressed on that throw, and we saw it happen
again when he threw that ball in the end zone.
That was an underthrow. That was a little bit of
a press, but at least it was a one on
one coverage. So I think those decisions, and then there
were a couple other plays where I think, hey, there
were plays we made and it didn't happen. I thought
Russ got out of the pocket early a couple of

(03:57):
times when he didn't need to, and then because he
ran out the pocket, he didn't see and wasn't ready
to throw when a guy did uncover and become open.
So I think when you evaluate all those things, it's okay,
look now we're zero to three. Yeah, like as tough
as it probably was to call Russell Wilson and tell
him that he's no longer the starter. I think I
think Dabele and Shane and you know, I think everybody

(04:20):
felt like, we have to make this move now, we
can't risk going own for and now it's all right.
Now we're going to do it. And you know what,
maybe those one or two plays are different if we
give Jackson another shot. I think what makes this probably
an easier decision is I think Jackson Dart is ready.
I think everything that he has proven whenever he's gotten

(04:40):
a chance to go out there and play, and everything
that he's done leading up to this has shown everybody
that he can handle this. And he has not blinked.
We've talked about his poise, We've talked about how, you know,
he understands the offense, he can read the defense, he's
processing everything.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
He's got about him. You know, not many rookies come
in with that kind of aura in that presence that
feels like, oh, I know I've I know I belong here.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
You know.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
Sometimes it takes a little bit to get your sea legs.
But it's not an easy task for Jackson Dart. He's
going to be making his NFL regular season debut against
a three to zero Chargers team that's top five in
scoring defense. They're number four in the league in scoring
defense and third and opponent passer rating. So it's a
tough challenge, but there is shown a little bit of
a benefit of the unknown for the Giants, right. You know,

(05:24):
we saw this happen when Daniel Jones made his first
start a couple games into the season. When teams don't
have regular season tape on you as a quarterback. Yes,
they've seen him in the preseason a significant amount, but
regular season ball is different. You don't have a lot
of tape. You don't know the tendencies quite as well.
You don't know what they're going to be doing play
call wise. With Jackson Dart in at quarterback as opposed

(05:46):
to Russ Wilson.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
Yeah, I think it definitely changes some of the things
that you're going to do offensively. And I really think
you know, obviously with with Tyron Tracy Kamskattabho is probably
going to get in the bulk of the carries again,
but with Jackson Dart at quarterback, that zone quarterback read
is a legitimate threat like Russell can scramble and can run.
His athletic but I don't think you're calling plays where
he's a legitimate runner. When Jackson Dart came into the

(06:09):
game and a few reps that he has had last
couple of weeks, you know, everybody's like, oh, Jackson Dart's
in a quarterback. I looked at that like that was
the wildcat package. That was Jackson Dark coming in and
basically doing what Saquon Barkley did and what a lot
of teams would do with the extra running back is
they come in and it's a wildcat looking formation. It
was like an inverted wishbone and now all of a sudden,
you're baking the handoff keeping it or you're handing the

(06:31):
ball off and carrying out a fake. So I think
that aspect of the offense is going to make things
look different and it should help the run game because
Jackson Dart is a legitimate running threat, Like he's not
just you know, hey, a quarterback that can scramble get
out of trouble. He is, he's fast, he's athletic, he
wants to run. He wants to run somebody over, which
scares me. Yeah, he's got to work on sliding. Obviously
we've been through that.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
But he did in the preseason have a very coachable
moment where he realized that and he'd put up on
his Instagram story after that game, I promise all slide more. So, Well, Jackson,
you made the promise. We're holding you to it.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
Here, we are pumping your tires. You're a quick learner.
We'll find out. Yeah, we'll find because he ended up
going to the medical tent in that game and everybody
was like, oh my gosh, you're going.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
And he was frustrated that he got pulled out of
the game because of it. That's what happened.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
And you know what, Look, Josh Allen went through that too.
Like his first couple of years, you know, he was
a maniac. You know, he had zero regard for his body,
was throwing himself all over the place, and he had
he kind of had to tone it down and learn
as well, like I'm no good to anybody on the
sideline if I'm banged up. So I think those are
things that I think could be positive for the Giants
offense as a whole. You know, I think for him,

(07:36):
you know, it's going to just be about okay, focusing
on the offense and just like don't try to do
too much, keep the change moving, get first downs. Like
third down has been an enigma for this offense. You know,
they were one in ten on third down again against
Kansas City, and look, Steve Spignol is a really good
defense coordinator, but there were plays to be made to
move the sticks. And I think that's really just what

(07:56):
he has to focus on. And you know, look, it's
not up to me to come in there to play
hero ball and make some magical throw and we win
the game. It's I've got to run the offense and
distribute it. So that's going to be obviously the biggest
aspect of him, you know, taking over a quarterback. Look,
run the offense, take care of the football. But I
think you're looking for a spark. And I think if
you're on this team right now, you're own three, it's like, hey, look,

(08:19):
you know we've got to do something. You know, you're
the boat was taking on water. Water's coming in and
you run to sit there and say, oh it'll stop,
or you grab your bucket and you start, you know,
bailing the water out and finding a way to get
yourself out of this, and I think that's where they're
at right now. Like we're taking the water. We got
to do something.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
You get on a train and you realize it's going
the wrong direction. The sooner you get off that train,
the better it is to get back to the direction
that you want to go on. And Brian Dabele talking
to the media as we speak right now, saying, you
know what, it was his decision, emphasizing it's my decision
to make the change at quarterback. Obviously he spoke with
ownership in the front office, but does confirm that it

(08:55):
was his choice. And you know Davel has said no quarterback,
no rookie quarterback, is just I need to play. But
Dart has done enough to show every step of the
way that he can compete to earn Dabeles trust, saying, quote,
it's I think it's the right thing for our football team.
Russell Wilson will be the backup. So Russ is going
to be out there, gonna be dressed, gonna be on
the sideline, backup quarterback. In case anything happens, He's going

(09:16):
to get back in the game. This isn't the last
we're seeing of Russ emphasizing that yes, these are private
conversations about how he realized that this was the time
to make that change. But yeah, it's uh, it's going
to be a change up Jackson Dart at one, Russ
at two.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
Now, yeah, this is not new territory for the Giants
and for anybody that's drafted a quarterback in the first round,
Like we went through this with Eli when Giants drafted
Daniel Jones sixth overall. ELI got the hook after two
weeks and guess who the Guess who the office of
coordinator was for the Buffalo Bills in week two? It
was Dable And after that game zero to two, I

(09:58):
think Dabel was there. Maybe it wasn't, but it there
was Buffalo Bills at home. They lose that game zero
and two, and the news comes out Daniel Jones was
starting the next week and they go down to Tampa
and they win the game in dramatic fashion, and Daniel
Jones actually ran for a touchdown in that game, and
the legend of Danny Dimes was born after that game. Granted,
Tampa Bay missed a field goal at the end of

(10:18):
the game, but they won the game and it provided
us spunk and so you know, that's one.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
Of the first two games they won. And a lot
of it too was teams didn't know what to expect
seeing Daniel Jones is a very different quarterback than Helin Manning.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
Yeah, you got a new kid on the block there,
and you know, he had the right stuff originally, you know,
and he was hanging tough, you know, and then and
then now Jackson darts in that similar boat. You look
back at how Eli got his start, Kurt Warner, you know,
I was that was two thousand and four, you know,
I it was my first year with the Giants. We

(10:51):
started out, we were five and two, and then we
started the slot. We lost two games and we were
five and four at the time when they made the
move to Eli, and you know, I think everybody felt like, look,
Eli's ready. I think if you look at Eli, his
dad played in the NFL, Peyton Manning's older brother, coming
into it, I don't think anybody could have been more
prepared for the NFL than Eli Manning given what he had,

(11:12):
you know, as background leading up to his NFL career,
and yet he struggled out of the gate. You know,
he lost his first six games. Heli didn't get his
first win to the last game with the Seed and
it was at home against Dallas. So we've seen this
kind of play out for the Giants previously. And you know,
there is never a perfect time, like here's when the

(11:33):
best time is. You know, you don't want to do
it on a short week, you don't want to do
it on away game.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
Well, some people would have suggested, why not do it
week five against the Saints, who currently winless on the season,
might be a less intimidating opponent, but again, there is
no right time. There is no easy game in the
National Football League.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
Yeah, well, the problem is, you know, let's say things
don't go right and you end up being zero and four.
You don't want to go back and say, man, I
should have done it. Maybe, yeah, maybe we're one to
three instead. And now, you know, so I think when
you when you as soon as you start thinking about it,
like hey, maybe I need to make the move, I
think you got to do it, and I think you
got to just try something. And you know, look, I
think Russell Wilson it's not over for him either, because

(12:11):
you're one play away as the second quarterback now from
going in there, and you know, look, even I'll never
forget even going down to Baltimore and Elie's rookie year.
You know, he was a starter. He started that game
and it was awful and we were having a terrible game.
They benched him, They put Kurt back in. Kurt went
right in on the field. We watched right down the
field and scored a touchdown. So you know, look, I
don't this isn't concrete and this is just look, we

(12:33):
need to make a change, try to provide a spark
for the offense, because we can't keep talking about this, right.
I feel like you and I stand up there after
these postgame shows and we're like, where are the points?
Where's the offense that's been going on for the last
couple of years, not just a couple of weeks, but
the last couple weeks.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
We see them getting up and down the field more
effectively than we have in recent years, but still struggling
to punch it in the red zone.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
The red zone huge issue. It's like the Bermuda triangle,
you know, which is why this preseason, all of a
sudden it looked different. The offense came to life and
they were completing things in the reds when they were
finishing drives. So that gave everybody, I think, hope and
optimism that this offense was going to be different.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
And you of all, you're going up against the vanilla
defense and this and that and things aren't I will
say this.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
You know, there was some you know, there were some
drama about you know, some of the things that we
said in the postgame show about look, this team is
not a bad team, and you know, they their record
doesn't really indicate necessarily the talent on the team, and
there was some you know, projections about they could be
or should be this and that. You know, last year,

(13:43):
I felt like there was points when there was no
chance to win a game. But they have been in
position to win games this year and the defense has
has played lights out on a number of different times.
There have been times where they have slipped and tripped up.
But I think this team is better yea than zero
to three. But you are what your record says, you are.

(14:03):
They they should have had an opportunity to win the
games or they did. They could they could have won them, yeah,
but they just did not play and didn't make the
big plays when they mattered the most. And that is
what I think is so disappointing for everybody in the
locker room, like fans are disappointed. But I'll say this
as a form player, nobody is angrier and more upset

(14:24):
than the guys in the locker room and the coaches
because they had They don't have another outlet. You can't
they can't go to another job and get away from
it and not think about this. You think about this
from the time that you put your head on the pillow,
from the time you wake up in the morning to
the time you put your head on the pillow. This
is like it's in your thoughts. And the worst part
about the NFL is you gotta wait seventy's till the

(14:45):
next game.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
Well, it's like if you go into your job and
you prepare for a presentation but things aren't going well.
You're running late, you spill your coffee, you have a
crap presentation. You feel bad about yourself. You know you
could have done better in that moment the whole boardroom.
And that's hard because you know that you are better
than that, and people who work closely with you know
that you have more to give than that. But that

(15:07):
was what you gave, and that's what that presentation looked
like you don't have the entire world of sports news
talking about how much you bombed your presentation, but you did,
and it does And so I guess what your point
was on the postgame show is that we know that
there's so much more here than what we're seeing. Why
isn't it translating not so much? And you know, no discredit.

(15:30):
The Giants fans are some of the smartest fans in football.
And they're smart, they're educated, they're passionate. I love that.
I love the fans, and I love how invested fans
can get in this and I think it's absolutely great
to have those important conversations about like, well, why do
you see this? Why are you saying that? What is
it there? And nobody's disagreeing that the product on the
field is not what it should be and what is expected,

(15:51):
especially coming into a season like this.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
Yeah, and listen, Giants fans don't change. No, we love
your passion, we love your commitment to excellence, and you
know what, it's what holds this organization and and the
Giants players and coaches to a higher standard. So absolutely,
you know, look, everybody appreciates the fans and and how
passionate are they? They are? And look in New York

(16:14):
like nobody likes you know six seven, nobody likes mediocre mediocrity.
Like have you ever got anybody you're really You're really one.
It's been on the tip of my tongue, but like,
have you ever has anybody ever asked you like, Hey,
I'm where can I go to get like an okay
slice of pizza?

Speaker 5 (16:31):
Now?

Speaker 1 (16:32):
Where can I go to get a decent sub? Like
it's no I want you want the best. You want
the best meatball? Okay, you got to go down here.
You want the best slice, you want the best of
time food, you want the best Mexican Like it's all
about the best. They want the best you want And
the same thing with their sports team, like we want
the best, we don't want you know someone, Eh, you
know that's fine, yeh five, you know it's that's not

(16:54):
what the Giants fans want and that's not what they deserve.
And you know what, like the passion is real. Sometimes
it's you are making me so angry that I want
to just dropkick you. And then sometimes it's you know what,
this is unbelievable. I'm never going to forget this is
the best moment of my life. So yeah, you know,
it's not you, it's them, or else it's not you,

(17:17):
it's me.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
There's something like that. But I do think I just
want to give credit to the Giants fans out there
who are invested and smart and educated and love the
game and love the team. And I mean that's what
you get when you when you love something, you expect
the best out of it.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
I will also say this, like, and this is true
in any relationship, but specifically a marriage, Like if you
keep bringing up things from the past, you're never going
to grow, Like you know what like two years ago,
Like you can't bring up hey, two years ago, you
did this, you know, Like that doesn't help, Like doesn't
help the growth and the relationship. So I know there
is scar tissue from previous years and previous season, but

(17:55):
we can't bring that to the stadium and then as
soon as something bad happens, it's ah.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
But you know, we all have our own little pts.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
You forget that Tuesday was trashtic, Wednesday was recycling, and
you got it backwards, Like you don't bring up the
fact that that's the tenth time you've done that, Like
you just you know what, you just you hug it
out out.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
I'm gonna sip on my water for me today. News
out of Brian Navals press conference, Malik Neighbors, Theo Johnson, Tyrone, Tracy,
Graham Gano and Nacho will not practice today.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
Yeah, so I add to the drama.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
The Giants on young Waykupridgewood, Yeah, Bridgewood, New Jersey. Young
Way coup was previously with the Atlanta Falcons, was released
after misfieldbal moments and yeah, talented kicker though have been
around the league for a minute, and with Graham Gono
dealing with lingering and injuries, there needs to be competition. Obviously.

(18:53):
The Giants do have Jude mc tamney on the rosters.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
Well, yeah, so again we were talking about scar tissue
and I had a bunch of people and I'm sure
you did as well, Like after the game, and you know,
there were people on the fan in the stands that
during that game that did not know that Graham Gano
got hurt right before the game started. They kept asking
why are we going for it on fourth down? And
unless you're watching the broadcast at home, when you hear
the news or you saw something on your phone. If

(19:17):
you were in the stadium watching the game, you're like,
why are they going for it on fourth down to
start the game? Here? And literally, Graham Gano, you know,
I was down on the field and he came over
and he slammed his helmet down on the bench and
I'm like, that's not good. It literally happened like right
before kickoff. So that's one of those things where, man,
that's like the worst possible thing. We had a guy

(19:39):
disocate his finger in pregame warm ups and the bone
was like sticking out of his finger, and it was like, okay,
we're down a tight end and you find out twenty
minutes before kickoff. So unfortunately, those are things that happened.
But with the Giants, going back to that car tissue,
Graham Gano hit this happened to his knee a couple
of years ago, where you know, his knee was bothering

(20:00):
a little bit, but he was kicking a fraud and
he was fine, and then all of a sudden it
flared up again on Sunday. So of course they resort
back to that and it's like, all right, now, what
are we doing? So you sign Young Wayku, you sign
a kicker to come in and say, look, you've got
to be one hundred percent healthy. There cannot be no
I can kick through it, or like we've got to
eliminate all that. And sometimes you have to protect the
player from themselves because we want to play hurt and

(20:21):
we were willing to play hurt. Yeah, grand we know
credit for coming out and kicking a field goal because
you know, he knew that he was hurt and he
still was able to go out there and follow through
and you know, make the field goal. I know he
was limited with the range, but that's what you have
to do as a team. Now do you have to
insulate yourself from that happening again? And that's what Young

(20:42):
Wayku really is. It's an insurance policy this week to
make sure if Graham, we know, if there's any shred
of doubt, like you got to I'm prepared.

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head to the phone lines that are lighting up, Sean uh,
Let's go to line three. Chris in Toronto. Chris, welcome
to Big Blue Kickoff Live. You're on the air with
Sean and Madeline. You there, Chris T dot the one

(21:35):
and only.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
Oh sorry, here we good. I's going guys, good?

Speaker 3 (21:39):
How are you good?

Speaker 4 (21:41):
Good?

Speaker 2 (21:41):
I'm long time listener que Giants fan and it's good
to talk to you guys for sure.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
Thank you for calling in.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
So my main thing, obviously is a huge start news.
I guess the only thing that I'm a little nervous
about is cast Up. He's not really I don't know,
like he ran a bunch of plays at the beginning
of the game, and then when we came down to
like the end zone, we were just passing. So that's

(22:13):
the only thing about with dark Starting is Castain needs
to find out a ways to use him properly with
with with the offense, you know, so like I don't know,
that's the only thing I'm a little nervous about because
especially with like with DJ here in the past, Like
that's that's what we're not going to talk about. That's
all news obviously, But I'm sure you guys have an

(22:36):
idea what I'm talking about. I feel like we should
like simplify the offense from you know, like reduce reads
and progressions early, like pride tis from getting out the
ball quickly, you know, like use more plays or like
his athletic athleticism can't speak design rollouts, play actions, RPO
stuff like that bootlegs, you know, because this Charges defense

(22:58):
is you know, it's going to be coming after them.
So yeah, so I'll take off the air. You know,
A big Giants fan. Love listening to you guys every day.
Go be Blue.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
Thanks for the call, Chris. I don't know that Sean
that they would have to simplify the offense essentially for him,
because I don't I don't believe that Brian Dabele is
making the change to put Jackson dart In as a
starting quarterback against the Chargers unless he fully trusts him.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
I don't think there's any dumbing down of this offense
for Jackson Dart, and that's why I think as tough
as this decision might have been for Brian Dabele to
call Russell Wilson and tell him that he's no longer
a starter, I think Jackson Dart's ability well physically and
mentally as a quarterback. I think that makes this decision
easier because you know that you're not going to somebody

(23:42):
that has training wheels on like this guy, like he
came in riding the bike and he's ready to rock
and roll. So I think that makes that decision easier.
But there are going to be things that they will
do with Jackson darter quarterback that they did not do
with Russell Wilson. And there will be certain plays, and
you know that is based on every quarterback, because some
quarterbacks throw the ball better outside the numbers. Some guys
see the field in the middle of the field a

(24:03):
little bit better. So there are things that you kind
of tailor for each quarterback just based on how they
see things and what throws they actually make easier than others.
So I think there is some of that, but I
think what we've seen from Jackson Dart both in practice
and in the preseason. He has made quick decisions, and
I think that's always one of the big things when
you're calling plays is you know, how quickly do they

(24:25):
get from one to two to three in the progression
and can they get the ball out on time. He's
proven that he can do that. Now he's got to
do it in a game. But I think the one
big wrinkle for him, and what we talked about earlier,
is I think that this actually opens up more things
in the run game because now he is a legitimate
running threat. So it's going to impact the run game.
Now when you're doing shotgun runs, which we talked about

(24:47):
last week, I like the home position and all of
a sudden they start out and that first drive the
running backs in the home position like that, That to
me is a much better angle for the running backs
to insert at the line of scrimmage. But those quarterback
runs and zone reads are going to be impactful for
camp Skataboo and for Singletary when they're running the football,

(25:07):
and then I think we are going to see more
quarterback designed runs like we kind of saw when Daniel
Jones was the quarterback. We have seen a couple of
those from Russell, but I think they're just going to
have a little more teeth to them with Jackson Dart
at quarterback.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
Especially because Russell Wilson is so deep into his NFL
career that he doesn't have the legs that he might
have had ten years ago to do that, whereas Jackson Dart, young,
fresh legs, the ability to scramble a little bit differently.
And we've seen Dart inserted in the games a handful
of times so far the last few weeks. A couple
of weeks in primarily run plays, so there's not really

(25:41):
tape on his passing. But I guess last week there
was an option there that he you know, opts for
the run to a little bit.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
But well, and we saw in Dallas the one time
he slipped. Yeah, so I mean there are definitely those
wrinkles there. But Chris, we appreciate your call. We appreciate
you checking in from from Canada. I will say that
Mike cav now, I definitely feel like, you know, this
is your chance right here. Like I liked how Mike
Kafka started the game last week against Kansas City, I

(26:09):
think on that teen play drive to start the game.
Seven of the players were runs. Yeah, he went into
the game like we're gonna pound the rock, and then
even when Tracy went down, they ran the ball with campscaday.
But I do agree with you, when you get down
in the red zone, you have to be able to
run the ball there. You cannot become one dimensional and
it can't be a silly quarterback draw. When nobody is

(26:30):
fooled in the stadium, nobody's fooled on defense. So you
have to find a way to run the football, and
you've got to layer things off of that. You can't
get away from it. And I think the other thing, too,
is we were complementing Mike Kafka all preseason about the
screen game, and we saw that in the preseason a
ton and I feel like it has just disappeared. I
don't understand why we're not doing that. Yeah, and I think, look,

(26:52):
get camp skataboo in open field and look, screens don't
just have to be for running backs. Yeah, Okay, if
they're taking away the deep ball from league, you could
throw a ghost screen to the league neighbors. You could
throw a bubble screen to him. You could put him
in the backfield and let him be a running back
like Deebo Samuel and you could throw a screen to him.
So there are other ways to get him the football.
You don't always have to just you know, doesn't have

(27:13):
to be the deep ball every time. You can throw
the ball short and let him make somebody miss or
run somebody over and then that becomes a big play
and that would be a spark. So yes, look the
pressures on Jackson Dart. It's also on my Kafka, and
you know, look when you're zero and three, look the
pressures on everybody.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
It changed something, you know, changed something just to change
up the energy a little bit. Maybe, I don't know,
refunction way the locker room. Who knows. There's got to
be some sort of something going on to shift the energy.
You mentioned the run game to Jackson Dart and Cam
Scataboo have such an endearingly adorable bromance going on that
I love that for both of them getting in there,
and I think that that you know they're both going

(27:49):
to be already there's a lot of trust there between
the two of them.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
Make a request, Yes, Cam Scataboo. I love the backflip.
That was so cool.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
It's great. Backflip into like a surfing thing too.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
We're done with it, like it's great, we saw it.
That's so cool that you could do that. Like I, personally,
I don't need to see it anymore. I don't know
that I see it because I don't want you don't.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
Happened that, Like Scat is a man who like doesn't
shy away from contact. He runs into contact. He'll bulldoz
through like the linebacker or whatever. He since he was
a kid, he used to put on his brother's football
pads and run into telephone polls. I'm just not worried

(28:31):
about him getting hurt because he just feels like he's
built different. Somebody on social media post posted something that
I thought was so so on the nose. It said,
you know, there's two types of running backs in the
National Football League. There's the cerebral guys like a Christian McCaffrey,
and then there's just the unhinged crayon eaters like Cam's Kataboo.
And I thought that that is the perfect way. And

(28:54):
first of all, Cam is very smart and deep and incredibly.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
For your four year sun devil.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
And a sun devil so can do no wrong. But
I just love the way that this person described him
as an unhitched cran eater, and I was like, I'm
here for it.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
Yeah, I'm okay with him unhinged. Yeah, but yes, he
does remind me of Brandon Jacobs. Different Brandon's rookie year.
There were literally times in the game where he would
break through the line of scrimmage and it's like him
in the safety, yeah, and like the safety is here
and he's and it's like if he runs for the sideline,
he can literally run by the guy. But he chose
to run right at the safety and he trucks him

(29:31):
and then he trips over him and he goes down,
and I'm like, Brandon, you could have scored.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
There, like go to the that way.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
No, that's not how I run. Like it took him
years to like really figure out, like, Okay, you know
what I can get, you know, extra yards if I
dodged the safety and you know, once you had run
over enough people, which cam Skatabu is starting to infringe
on that territory. People are going to start like getting
low and they're bracing for impact and then that's when
you juke him. Now they think you're going to run

(29:57):
him over and then now you hit the R two
button instead the truck stick, and now you know you
can dodge that and turn it into a touchdown and
take it to the easy I think that's where he
can go next level.

Speaker 3 (30:09):
Yeah. Yeah, it's going to continue to evolve too, with
Dart coming into You mentioned Kafka and the play calling.
One thing that you know, I've spoken Brian Aable about
quite a few times and we've all we all have
is how deliberate he's been with curating the offensive, you know,
spread to the quarterback. You know, he went back and
watched all of Russ's films since he got into this

(30:29):
league to try to see what his strengths and weaknesses
is already watched, dove deeply into Jackson's film and watch
everything that he's capable of to curate based upon the
strengths and weaknesses of the quarterback, and said that there
are certain plays that are, you know, a Russ package.
There are certain plays that are a Dart package that
are built for this quarterback. So I do believe that
the play calling will be different because they'll be pulling

(30:51):
from a little bit of a different bag.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
Yeah. Yeah, And look, I think that's you know, that's
what you expect from the coaching staff. And I think,
you know, one of the things that I learned during
Eli's rookie year was when he first made his first
couple of starts, they were running the offense that they
had run and then at one point he kind of

(31:13):
went in and le's talk with the coach and he
was like, well, look, here are the plays that I
feel really good about, I'm really confident with, so let's
make those our know how to plays, Let's make those.
So it kind of took him a couple of weeks
to kind of have a little bit of a voice.
But I think Jackson Dart because Dabel has been, you know,
so inviting and so willing to listen for Russell, I

(31:36):
think that he has kind of opened the door for
Jackson to voice that as well. So that's why that
relationship is so important with both the head coach and
with Mike Kafka and Shay Tierney has done a great
job with these quarterbacks as well. You know, I think
this is the this quarterback room has worked so well
together throughout the preseason and throughout all this and I
think that you know, when you have a tight knit

(31:57):
group which they do in that quarterback room. I think
that that helps you handle situations like this, and you know,
I think that Russ is going to be fine with that.
I mean, he's, you know, the most optimistic person anybody's
ever been around. So he's going to find a way
to shine through that and to help out the team.
And you know, look, the one thing that I think

(32:18):
is interesting, just so that everybody is aware, Russell Wilson
signed with the Giants on March fourth or twenty fifth,
I believe, So that was before the Giants drafted Jackson
dark yes, but I guarantee you that the conversation with
him was, Look, we are going to draft a quarterback,
so we're bringing you in here to be the starter,
but it's going to be your job to keep this guy,
whoever we draft, off the field, and we're going to
draft the quarterback. So you know, like there is going

(32:41):
to be competition at some point. We don't know who
that quarterback is going to be. But when he signed
this contract, it was an incentive laden contract that based
on how much he plays and based on his production
and the team wins, then that contract can balloon up.
But he came into it knowing the situation was so
profess This is not something that I think. I don't

(33:04):
think he was hoping that it would happen this early,
but I think it's something that he knew was possible.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
And I think as somebody who's been around the league
as long as Russell Wilson has, he understands that it
is a results driven league and if you're not getting
the results that you want and expect of yourself and
your teammates, and that's kind of what happens. It's unfortunate
that it happens so soon, but you know, Russ, like
you mentioned, is such a positive guy and such a
positive presence that I know that he's going to be

(33:29):
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Speaker 4 (34:05):
Are you killing me?

Speaker 5 (34:07):
Twenty minutes of cooking air fryer? And that bell rings
three seconds ago when you answer two seconds ago? You're
killing me? Here, Matt, what have.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
We got in the fryar?

Speaker 3 (34:15):
What are we cooking?

Speaker 5 (34:17):
Some chicken in French fries? The old fashion? Uh? Hey,
the wife's working and you can't do anything you sell?

Speaker 1 (34:24):
That sounds like a power launch that is immediately followed
by a nap.

Speaker 5 (34:28):
Yes, yeah, I wish hey quick thing before I get
into my questions and reasons for calling mallin. It's going
to be a while before we can get a tattoo
on you. This is crazy now again another year of
long tattoos.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
I know a couple of years ago I did say
that if the Giants win a Super Bowl, I'd get
a Giants tattoo.

Speaker 5 (34:48):
Hey, let's get up. I don't know what to say
on a playoff for maybe if we win a game,
you can get a tattoo.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
Whoa, whoa, whoa Vinnie Well arm sleeve? I know out.

Speaker 5 (35:01):
Okay, Before I give my comments on Jackson Dart, I
wanted to ask a question. I've been thinking about this
since the new kickoff rule has come into an effect.
You have to ask for an on side kick, right,
and it's just a thought a strategy. Are you allowed
to call for an on side kick and kick it

(35:23):
hard to where it goes down to say the three
yard line, and you recover it there? Can you outrun
them or does it have to be within a couple
of yards? You know, I'm thinking the act of surprise here.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
Yeah, that is interesting because they say it has to
go at least ten yards, So they don't say how
far at most an onside kick goes.

Speaker 6 (35:40):
Do they.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
Well, I think even if you do an onside kick
that ball, there's a landing zone where the ball has
to land. If that ball lands in front of the
twenty yard line on the ground, then it's a penalty
and you get the ball I think, you know, at
the thirty five or four yard line. But yeah, I
mean there's definitely a name with that. It's the same
on an onside kick but yeah, I think they're trying
to eliminate the trickery aspect of it. And you can't

(36:02):
just kick an onside kick whenever you want to. I
think there's a there's a limit as to when you
can do it. You can't do it until it's like
a fourth quarter. Like you can't do a surprise on
side and say you're going to do it in the
second quarter. I think it has to be done in
the fourth quarter with like a certain amount of time.

Speaker 5 (36:16):
Yeah, I think this young generation just wants to see
new stuff. I mean, even in baseball, you can only
do a pick off trucky a couple of times, and
the one I know is you can't throw.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
So wait, you waited twenty minutes to ask us about
the on surprise on side.

Speaker 5 (36:31):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
You're you're you're diving deep.

Speaker 5 (36:35):
I love you guys. Are there?

Speaker 1 (36:38):
Yeah? What else you got in that deep friar?

Speaker 6 (36:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (36:41):
I am. I am a fan of Jackson darts and
I always normally try to be optimistic about everything. I
think it's too early for them, and I think it
could potentially, you know, they their affence it was great
in Dallas. Dallas thinks I guess we will know that
they lost to the Bears. But you know, I just

(37:03):
don't think he's ready. I think he's going to have
the mindset when he runs, he's going to run through
a player. Think look at Daniel Jones. He still doesn't fly.
How many years later. I think Jackson Dart is that
same competitive mentality, and he's potentially going to get hurt.
I think they're going to run skill.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
Why would you speak all that into existence, Vinnie. Why
not just let him go out there on Sunday and
show you what he's got.

Speaker 5 (37:26):
I don't think he's ready. I mean all the experts
quote unquote experts, he's not going to be ready for
a year. He's along with this, and now does that change?
Can someone approve drastically? I guess though. But you know,
what are the experts saying. I give you guys credits
for being experts, but what are the commentative You know,
what are the folks saying that you know, a real

(37:49):
true giant fans? What are they saying about this? I
think it's a coach saving move and I think I
like them supported Babel the whole time too. But I
think this is a movie which is out of desperation
and you know you got to throw in Jamie Winston.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
Well to your point, though, if you do think it's
a move out of desperation that the coach needs to
do this to save himself, do you think that he
would go to a player that he doesn't fully trust
is capable of executing to save him If you're if
you're in a situation that you need to call on
somebody to save your butt in something, you're going to
choose somebody that you trust, right.

Speaker 5 (38:29):
Yes, and no. I think I think the media at
this point in I see things getting done by general
managers and coaches that have never gotten done before, by
by people yelling loud enough. And you could see it
in trades, you can see it in whatever whatever, And
I think this is a point of Hey, the fans

(38:50):
are yelling, maybe and maybe he's, hey, I got to
save my job. I just don't.

Speaker 6 (38:56):
I hope I'm wrong. I truly give any.

Speaker 7 (39:00):
Is a got the tinfoil hat on over there, Vinnie
s Look, I don't think he Vinny, Vinnie will let
you your cook and I hear you cooking it up
over there, so while you get to your lunch. But
thank you so much for the call, and thank you
so much for patiently waiting on hold.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
There there is no perfect time. There is no Hey,
this is when you're going to do it, and it's
you know, I've got a six year old daughter and
she has been riding a bike with training wheels for
a long time, and we keep talking to her about like, hey,
you're gonna learn to ride the bike. You're going to
learn the bike, And there was never a point time
when she came and said, Okay, I'm ready to do this.
Like we just had to. We had to put her
out there and she had to she had to learn

(39:35):
and get confidence in herself that I can do this.
And you know what, you take the training wheels off
and you hold onto the seat for a little bit
and then at some point you let go, let it go,
and then once they realize that they can do it
right now, they're off to the races. So this is
the same thing. And look, I mentioned Eli Manning before.
Look we Eli. You know, he lost his first six games,
and you know what, you people could even go back

(39:56):
and look at that and say maybe he wasn't ready.
But that next year we he went two thousand and five,
we went eleven to five and won the division. We
got t shirts and hats in that second year, and
we won a lot of those games because of what
we went through his rookie year. So look, I don't
I'm not trying to extrapolate to twenty twenty six, but
right now, the Giants had to do something, try to

(40:17):
help score, help this offense score points. And I think
this was a move specifically for that when we get
down in the red zone. Now we have a different
weapon in the red zone to help us finish drives.
And you know what, Now it's up to Jackson Dark
to go out and perform. And I think that when
you look at his performance in college, he played at an
elite level, got better every single year, was highly productive.

(40:39):
I think he led the FBS and throws over twenty yards.
So you know, look, he's got that big playability with
his arm and his legs, and that is why they
made this move. Now he's got to go out and perform.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
Yeah, he can show that he was just like that.
Maybe he was born to run. You can show that
he's got that too. I had to throw it in
that way because Marco said, can you sneak in a song?
Quote on YouTube. So thank you Marco for the challenge.
I'm just like sitting here, I just saw that. I'm like,
how do I randomly sneak in a song? Quote? There
we go, Let's get the song.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
I mean, that's the boss.

Speaker 3 (41:08):
I know it's the boss, but it is a song.
It is count it dang. I like these little challenges,
so thanks for that one, Marco. I saw that. I
was like, all right, where can we get that? In
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Sean, I'm feeling I'm feeling great about it. I'm not
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Speaker 3 (41:56):
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Speaker 1 (41:59):
I was not born to run one to block. I
will run when asked, but usually I only run that
far if someone's chasing me or something is chasing me.
I'm really just running it for the postgame facilities. I
think that there will be some some some beverages waiting
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Speaker 3 (42:16):
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Speaker 6 (42:37):
Good afternoon, I wondered, I'm not going to talk about
the quarterback. I'd like an Liddle update. You may have
covered this on CANEA and Tyrone Tracy. To me, it
looks like you know has gotten the same injury or
repeated that he has gotten the same injury that he
had before. So it's injured reserve option and does that

(43:01):
free up a space on the giant roster And the
next thing is Tyrone Tracy. I guess that's probably a
day to day, week to week thing. But I I'd
like your views also on the development of Evan Neil
and Guard because it doesn't look like we're able to
punch the ball in from the two yard line or

(43:23):
the three yard line. He supposedly is a very very
powerful individual, so is his development coming home. And the
other is Neighbors Jail and Hyatt. Neighbors runs these deep
patterns all the time. Hyatt is another speezer. I'm wondering
why they're not rotating these people back and forth. So

(43:45):
I'll wait for your comments, folks.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
All right, thanks Mike. Well to your first point, Graham,
Gano and Tyrone Tracy not practicing today. No long term
status yet from them, but will remain to be seen.
I assume that it's more of a day to day,
week to week situation considering the fact that neither of
them have been placed on IR. To your point about
Evan Neil, yes, the Giants have struggled in those situations,

(44:09):
but Evan Neil has actually yet to be active on
game day. He did switch to guard, but he has
been on the inactive list each of the first three
games of the season. And Sean, I'll defer to you
on this as the offensive lineman here, but you know
he did show some promise in that move. The positional
change so far in the preseason. What about what you've
seen from Evan Neil hasn't warranted a jersey on game day.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
Well, I think it comes down to the fact you
only dress seven guys, and Marcus bow is the swing tackle,
so he has been dressing. He's also the goal line
short yardage tight end, and then you dress one other guy.
They can play guarden center, so Evan Neil can't play center,
so you have to dress a backup center. And I
think that's really what it comes down to. So look,

(44:52):
Evan Neil, he is not better than Greg Van Roden
and he's not better than John Running, so that that's
why he's not out there. But I also don't think
you go into a drive and then all of a
sudden you get down to the one yard line and
you're gonna substitute in a new right guard just for
that reason. Now, if he does dress, I would one
hundred percent put him in a goal line tight end.
Or maybe if you know, if he's dressing and you're

(45:13):
out there, maybe there's an opportunity to load him up
and maybe put him next to you know, Andrew Thomas
and you know, or maybe you flex him in there
at guard. But yeah, I mean the fact that he's
not even dressing, he's not even available on game day.
But he looked good in guard at guard in training camp.
You know, I thought he was getting better. And and
you know, look, I think that if if needed and

(45:33):
he had and he got called upon, someone got hurt
and he had to go in there, I think he
would be okay. I think he can handle himself. But
you know this, you know, for Evan, he's he's got
to earn the right like he's not got to get
just give him reps and you know, take Greg Van
Rodan off the field or John running for that. I
will also just clarify with the gram gono. Last year
Grand Gouneaud blew his hamsterring out. Yeah, Chase it on

(45:54):
a kickoff on the opening kickoff down in Washington. So
that was a hamstring injury. The year before that it
was a knee injury. So this one's see he had
a growing injury before that, or I don't recall any
of that. This was a growing injury. So this is
something different. It's not the same thing. But nonetheless, you
have a kicker that is like, you know, he's a

(46:16):
little bit seasoned. Ye, you know, he's an older kicker.
And now this has been an injury, you know, three
years running three years in a row, so it is
different injuries. But you know, for everybody that wants to
hate on great, but no, he's been one of the
most consistent kickers in the league. And you know, look,
he thumped three fifty yarders and in preseason he's been

(46:37):
mister automatic and he's been a true weapon for the Giants.
But you know that you've got to insulate yourself, like
we talked about.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
Yeah, and then to Mike's other question about the wide
receivers Malik Neighbors and Jalen Hyatt, not understanding why they're
not rotating more. You know, Jalen Hyatt, he had a
little bit of a tough preseason at times.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
But what has Jalen hya had done to rotate with Malik?

Speaker 3 (47:00):
Right?

Speaker 1 (47:00):
Like, I like Jalen h I love the guy, yeah, player,
but like you know what, like I'm not taking the
leak Neighbors off the field to just give Jalen Hyatt reps,
Like that's not that doesn't help. That's not productive. And
Wandelle Robinson has been playing lights out, He's been flying
down the field. He looks. This is the best Wandelle
Robinson has ever looked as a Giant. He looks phenomenal.
I'm not taking him off the field. So look, that's
up to Jalen Hyatt to go out there and and

(47:22):
earn reps as well.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
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Let's go back to the phones, Nate and Mystic Nate,
Welcome to the show. You're on Big Blue Kickoff Live

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with Sean and Madeleine. How's it going.

Speaker 4 (47:47):
Yeah, I'm doing great. Sixty and Mad. That should be
the show. You guys are sixty and man.

Speaker 3 (47:54):
Oh yeahh there we go.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
I like it.

Speaker 4 (47:56):
I like it.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
I think Mad should go first.

Speaker 4 (47:59):
Mad six all right, man in sixty and I like
that too. Them there, Sean, it's a privilege to speak
to you, Sarah. I'm a big fan and have been
for a long time. Thanks for doing this. So I
just wanted to give you a little history of my fandom.
So in eighty six, I watched a Super Bowl from
boot camp in San Diego with eighty other guys. I

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made like six hundred dollars from a bunch of fools
from Denver, so that worked out well. In ninety I
was in the Persian Gulf getting aided on by the
communications team up in a CIIC because I kept calling
for an update and finally got that information from them.
Didn't get to watch the game until I got back
to the States, but it was awesome. And then in

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eight and eleven, I was in the comfort of my
own home where I watched I think snee block absolutely nobody,
and I mean nobody on the famous helmet catch. But
I got to watch that and really enjoy being a
Giants fan. And then you fast forward to today where
you know, I kind of watched the first half and
I shut it down. I mean, you guys talked about,

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you know, a great slice or a great meal. At
this point, I'll settle for a competitive dirty water dog
or a slice that keeps me interested until I get
to the crust. You know what I mean. You see
the same things over and over again, with players coming
and going, but the outcome remains the same. It's been
you know, too long, bro, just too long. I mean,

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you're a three time pro bowler. You know what it
takes from a coaching staff. You know what it takes
from the GM and the entire team. I'd love to
sign an NDA with you and get your real thoughts
on what this team is about. I swear to God,
but when you see that the same thing happens over
and over again, there's one common denominator. I don't want
to throw people on the bus. I wouldn't want anybody

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telling me I suck at my job. But if I
go into that presentation, Madeline, and I screw up one time, Okay,
you know I'm better than that. I screwed up one time,
but I screw up for five years, three years, whatever
it is, four years, then it's time to make it change, right.
I'm not going to be allowed to go into that
presentation room and show the same nonsense over and over

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again because it just doesn't work. The bottom line for
that presentation has got to help produce win success. That
sort of thing we score twenty points or less. How
ten points are too many times? And all I hear
is this guy's an offensive guru. I don't get it, bro,
I don't get it, and I just I don't want

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to be indifferent, and I don't think mister Mara wants
me to be indifferent. But I have become indifferent. Even
during the Dallas game, I thought there was no shot
for us to win, no shot, and unfortunately I was
proven right. It's just getting beaten down so long. I
want to taste that good dirty water dog, that great

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dirty water dog, not this.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
Yeah, yeah, I got appreciation. Thank you so much, and
thanks for your long tenured Giants fandom.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
Yeah, we appreciate your passion and thanks for your service.
We appreciate your service and the fact that that that
you were over there for the Gulf War. You know,
we're thankful that you made it back. I'm not sure
what you're talking about with the dirty dog water or
dirty water dog.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
I think he's a hot dog, gotcha, Okay, not dog water.

Speaker 6 (51:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
All I can think about was limp biscuit with the
chocolate starfish and the hot dog flavored water. I don't
know that's where he's going towards I'm not sure, but
he was making me hungry talking about the pizza and
getting at the crust. I appreciate the passion. And look,
like I said before, nobody is more upset about what's

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going on and what has transpired over the last couple
of years than John Marra and Steve Tish, the Marin
Tish families. I mean, look, they are in that stadium
every Sunday. They hear it, they see it, and this
is their this is their life. Like they they they
don't like this. This is not pleasant for them, and

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they want to change it. The challenge is you were
using the analogy about the presentation that Madeline brought up before,
and you go in there and you mess up the presentation.
It would be easy if it was just one person,
that would be easy to fix. But imagine going and
doing a presentation and you've had twenty people and each
one of them were responsible for one of the pages

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in that presentation or one of the slides on that PowerPoint,
and you're going through the presentation and all of a sudden,
page seven is wrong. There's something wrong, It's messed up.
You know, it's totally inaccurate. Now you've got to go
back and figure out, all right, who was responsible for
page seven. You know, I've got all these people contributing
to this presentation, so it's not just one person doing it.

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So that is the challenge. When it comes to football.
It's not about one coach, it's not about one player.
It is fifty three men. It is the entire coaching staff.
It is the scouting, the general manager. It is assembling
a team, assembling a roster, drafting players. There is no
common denominator. There are the only the only real consistent

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thing is that there is variable change, and every single
year the roster is different. It is variable change. That
roster can change from week to week. So that is
why this is the greatest sport, but it's also the
most frustrating sport. You know, look, I think you know,
you go back and you kind of look at you know,
you brought up the two thousand and seven season, twenty

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eleven and kind of some of those years. Those were
built on consistency, and that is where the challenge is, Like,
you have to have some sort of consistency with the players.
They've got to grow together the staff. There has to
be some consistency with that. You know, if there's constant turnover,
that just adds to the variable change. And I think

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that's one of the things that the Giants tried to
get away from. And that's one of the reasons why
they kept Brian Dable and they kept this coach staff
because they know how constancy is what breeds championships and
building that culture. So look, it's people are frustrated. Everybody's frustrated,
and I get it, and I think that it's it's

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you know, it's not without merit. But this is why
they made the change right now, and it's you know,
they they can no longer be meaningless games in November,
so you make this change right now because you've got
to win a football game. You have to be one
and three. There is no choice. You cannot be owned
for we have to be one and three. What is
it going to take to get there? And that's what

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everybody in that locker room and not on that practice
field today, that's what their focus is. We got to
win one game, We got to beat the charters.

Speaker 3 (54:40):
Got to do it one game at a time, when
week at a time, that's always how it goes. YouTube
commenters what are you au thoughts on how the offense
will play and scheme with Dark making his first NFL start.
We touched on that quite a bit, but Jason wanted
to acknowledge the question and you know, anything else you
want to add on that show, maybe a little bit
more of the Well.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
I've always felt like whenever you have a young quarterback,
you're going to lean on the run game a little
bit more, which I think is beneficial. And you know,
with Cam Skattaboo, you know, having as good of a
game as he did against in the City, you know,
I think that's where you start obviously, and then you
want to run the football well and you want to
be efficient with that early on, and then you layer
things off of that. But I think we're going to see,

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you know, Jackson Dart, We're gonna see a lot of
movement from him. They're going to move the pocket a
lot because his ability to run is a real threat.
So you get him out of the pocket and now
you're stressing the defense. You know, I wouldn't be surprised
to see some more rollouts and you know, see see
a little bit of the quarterback design runs that we
talked about. But for him you know, I just I'd
like to see this offense go up tempo a little more,

(55:42):
go no huddle, you know, go to the line, put
the stress on the defense. But yeah, I think that
helps the quarterback out and it kind of, you know,
it kind of dumbs down the defense a little bit too,
makes them a little more vanilla because you're at the
line that I can't substitute in and change personnel and packages.
So you know, I think that could be a way

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to help him out.

Speaker 3 (56:04):
Yeah. Ryan Williams, also commenting on YouTube, Dart has moxie,
something I never seen in any Giants quarterbacks and in
some of the players. But on this team he will
be special with some ups and downs, but will be good.
I will agree with you, he does have moxie. I
think a lot of players on this team also do,
but maybe not as outwardly so. But yeah, I like
that he's got. You know, he's got a lot of
confidence and coming in as a rookie with this presence

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and confidence that he has in the surety in himself
is imperative because you know, we talked a little bit
earlier about decision making. A lot goes into evaluating a
quarterback position. About his athleticism and his arm strength, But
decision making and the quickness with which you do so
is I would argue as important because you see some
quarterbacks in the league that have an unarguable talent and

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unarguable arm strength, but perhaps second guests themselves when they're
making decisions, and that one brief moment in which you
second guess is enough to close the gap to affect
the play. We watched that show Quarterback on Netflix in
the most recent season. There was a montage of all
the quarterbacks featured kind of talking about, Okay, you've got

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twelve seconds, and in twelve seconds, here's all the things
that you're going through physically mentally and da da da
da da da da. And you have to think through
all that, evaluate all that, and make a decision and
trust it and execute it. And sometimes I think we
all are in this situation in life where we make
a decision and we second guess ourselves, but you don't
have time to second guess. So I think having that
maxie that confidence for a young quarterback who says I'm

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going to make that decision, I'm going to go for it.
It's going to vote well for him.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
He's got some juice. I'm looking forward to it.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
He's got the juice. One last thing, Giants fans join
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(58:19):
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Speaker 1 (58:21):
Sounds good and you can bring sounds fun, and you
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Speaker 3 (58:24):
And you can bring your significant others or you know.
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Speaker 2 (58:31):
All right.

Speaker 3 (58:31):
That's a for our we Wednesday show.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
Sean, well done, good job, go team, here we go.
We got a new era.

Speaker 3 (58:37):
It's a new era. Pulling out the dartboard, Jackson start,
let's go any other.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
The bulls eye is read.

Speaker 3 (58:48):
Seeing Red all right. Week four Giants Chargers MetLife Stadium.
Hope to see you there one pm Sunday. For Sean O'Hara.
I'm Madeline Burke. Thanks for hanging out with us. The
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