Big Blue Kickoff Live 9/25 | Jaxson Dart and Chargers Conversation

John Schmeelk and Jonathan Casillas discuss Jaxson Dart’s first start, talk about the Chargers defense, and take calls from fans.

0:00 - Jaxson Dart

12:00 - Chargers defense

21:40 - Calls

35:00 - Coach and player dynamic

43:00 - Defending against Herbert

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I am John Schmelt joined by Jonathan Casias. We're taking
your calls at two A one nine three nine four
five one three. Neither one of us have been on
since the Giants Name Jackson Dark Quarterbacks will give the
quick take on that, and then jac I want to

(00:48):
dive in a little bit to what this is going
to look like for Dart against this Chargers defense, specifically
because I think it's going to be a challenge for
him because the Chargers defense is ranked is one of
the best defenses in football. But first, give me your
take on on the move. When you heard about it.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
On Tuesday, I got excited you know, look, people asking,
oh is he ready? You don't want to put him
in when he's not ready, And it's like, why would
you put him at QB two in the beginning of
the year if you didn't feel that he was ready.
He's already played snaps. He got snaps last week Sunday's
game versus the Chiefs. You know, I'm excited, you know,
and I love I love Russell Wilson. I love his professionalism.

(01:23):
You know. I listened to what they said post move
you know, with the media and stuff, they're all saying
the right things. Jackson Dark saying the right thing. Russell
Wilson is, you know, and like you know, I'm I'm
hearing all the outside stuff. Russell's not going to be
a backup quarterback. Why not? You know, why not? He's
a pro. He's a pros pro. You know, you can
hear by how he conducts himself in all the interviews
that he's going to be a pro in this situation.

(01:45):
And it's good to have not only one, but two,
you know, guys that started around the league as backups
to help this young kid, you know, move along, because
at the end of the day, what we what I
know from rookies is that rookies make mistakes. I was
called by Greg Williams, myself and Malcolm Jenkins, we were
called dumb rookies. And it wasn't that we weren't smart,
just that we didn't know with the things that you

(02:07):
just don't want.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
All rookies, in some way, shape or form are dumb.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
Are dumb. So the dumb rookies playing Jackson dark nothing
to take away from him, but there's a lot of
things that he has to learn, and he has two
guys behind him that can teach him things, and that
has been teaching him things since he's been here.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Yeah. Look, I was not shocked. If you would have
heard me on Monday, you know, I basically said at
the end of the show, if they did it, I
understood if they would do it.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
I'm also not going to go back on what I
said all summer. I think ideally the rookie quarterback sits
for a longer period of time to sit and learn.
But we also talked about how you were going to
potentially face a spot here to start the season with
the schedule where the season does not start well and
there's gonna be a lot of pressure and you're gonna
want to get some type of spark in there. If

(02:51):
the season's not going well before completely slips away, and
at open three you lose a few more games, your
season's going to be completely slipped away. So I understand
why you did it. You've had two games where you
haven't scored more than ten points. Obviously you need more
points out of the offense. You want to get a spark.
And I know Lands made this point on Tuesday. I'm
just gonna reiterate it. Do not expect the rookie quarterback

(03:14):
to step in here and be a savior for you.
You're gonna and Brian Dabile made this point at the
podium yesterday. This is not about one guy, right. He
needs help from his offensive line, He needs help from
his wide receivers, he needs help from his running backs,
he needs help.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
From his defense.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
You know, it's very hard for young quarterbacks to play
well right away in the National Football League. Look at
cam Ward. The first three games. He's had some wow throws.
He's also had a lot of scratch your head type
of moments. That was the first overall pick in the draft.
JJ McCarthy, he got the sat and watch all year
last year, the first eight quarters this year he played
one good quarter of football. The other seven quarters were

(03:49):
not good. Michael Pennix is on to what start seven
or eight for him?

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Rough start this year for him?

Speaker 3 (03:55):
It does not look good for him this year. CJ
Shroud first year in the league. Everything went right, it
looked great. How the last twenty games look for CJ Stratt? Right,
they not looked good. So it is hard for young quarterbacks.
Just a good price young another guy, right, these are
all guys. I'm picking guys that are picked in the
top five. Yeah, quarterbacks wise the last couple years now,

(04:17):
Caleb Williams, he's had his struggles. What did last year
look like for Caleb Williams? Very up and down. You
see the flashes, but again there are issues, there are
still issues. I still think he's gonna be great, but
again it takes time for young guys. Not everyone's Jayden Daniels.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yeah, but even him sophomore year is not as easy
going as it was Rick and.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
Neither is Bonix's.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yeah, right for that matter, right, right.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
So just keep in mind there's gonna be rough spots.
You're gonna have to live with some growing pains. It's
not gonna be sunshine and roses and easy breezy, you know,
fun thirty points a game right away. You hope he
gets there, but there's gonna be some rough sledding early on.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
Just be ready for And he's not stepping into a
team that's playoff ready. Just need a quarterback, yeah, right.
Team has a lot of struggles away from the quarterback position.
Away from offense, they have struggles on defense, they have
struggles on special teams. The Giants have to get better
all around to not only help this quarterback, but to
help the team win games.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
Hey, look, this has nothing to do about Jackson. Dark Guys,
I would say this no matter who the Giants drafted
and playing as a rookie quarterback this year. That's just
what rookie quarterbacks are. And he improved throughout the summer.
He looked pretty good in training camp, he made plays
in the preseason games, and like I also said, over
the summer, no one's gonna know when he's ready. Besides
his coaching staff.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
No one guys are ready, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (05:34):
Rookie and Brian Table said this yesterday. No one's truly
ready to go in there. Bill Pollian said that when
he joined us over the summer. I think it was
on Big Blue kick Off. I might have been the
Giants hot I don't remember, but he said, look, no
quarterbacks ready to play. No, you only get ready to
play to your point from your first answer, Jase, from
going out there doing it, making the mistakes and learning

(05:55):
from it.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
Yeah, that's it. It's like having a kid for the
first time. It's like, no matter how many books you
know what to expect when expecting all of those, no
matter how many times you babysit at your niece and nephew,
you're never really ready to be a father or mom
until you have a kid. And then all right, cool,
this is it. This is it for Jackson Dart. Is
he ready? I mean at this point, no one really cares.

(06:17):
It doesn't really matter. He's out there. And to help
this guy along, you need a good, strong running game.
You need receivers to catch the ball, right, the tight
end has to be here, like he has to make
himself available, has to catch the ball, have to be
able to call good plays, especially in the red zone.
The Giants have been struggling mightily this year in the
red zone. And then defense. The defense needs to go

(06:40):
ahead and be Jackson Dart's best friend. Go ahead and
get him some extra possessions by creating takeaways, creating short fields,
winning the possession battle, getting three announced on defense. And
this is going to be a tall task to ask
against this offense this week with this very talented quarterback
in Justin Herbert. And look, I think they revitalize the
culture over there in the and what they're doing with

(07:00):
Jim Harball, is it Jim or John?

Speaker 3 (07:02):
This is Jim John Ever, John is Baltimore. John's Baltimore, right, Jim,
do you know, honestly, how what I did do to
remind myself? I have to think back and now you
were too young for this. I have to think back
to when I was playing like Techmo super Bowl back
in nineteen ninety three, and one of them was in
the game, and Jim Harball was the quarterback for the Colts, right,
And that's I am being dead serious, folks.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
That's how I remember. Yeah, Yeah, that's it. Well, I
mean we had the whole thing with Devin and Jason mccordy.
I didn't know the difference between them until I played
with one for multiple games. Even though I've known them
for twenty years, but that's how it is. So Jim Harball,
I think he's done a great job in building culture
here for this team, you know. And this is a
team that has struggled with a talented roster in the past,

(07:47):
and I think they're now figuring out the way they
need to win games and what that looks like for them.
So the Giants are facing one of the better teams
that killed Kansas City on week in Week one. The game,
it looked close with the number wise, but they pretty
much did what they wanted to do against the Chiefs.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
Yeah. Absolutely. So now let's talk specifically about the Chargers.
We know the type of defense that they play, and
it's gonna look somewhat similar. Maybe not as many simulated
brit blitzes and stuff like that that Spags do with
the Giants, But the Chargers play a ton of too high,
a lot of Cover two, a lot of quarters. They
also play a fair amount of Cover three. They play

(08:25):
the fifth lowest rate of man to man defense in
the league. They just don't let balls get over the
top on them, and they're gonna play top down. They're
not gonna blitz a ton.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
And maybe because when you get a rookie in there,
it's good point. Things get switched up.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
It's a good points. So why don't we start there.
How much different you think this might look from the
Chargers defense based on their tendencies because they're playing a rookie.
That's a great point.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
Well, I don't know, because you got a new rookie.
You got a rookie coming in, you know, and you
just treat rookie quarterbacks a little bit different, right, You
would say, all right, let's go back and just let
them sit back and cover and cover two, cover four,
cover six and something, and allow you know, our defense
to guys the front four to get after them and

(09:08):
force him to do checkdowns or you blitz him and
you see if he can hold up. Right, last week,
the Chiefs, going into last week's game, they were the
number one or you know, a top tier blitzing percentage
defense with Spagnola, and they played two high safeties the
whole entire game. But that was against Russell Wilson. I

(09:29):
don't know the game plan going in against a rookie.
I do know though, if they weren't planning on blitzing
with Russell Wilson They're at least going to throw something
at this rookie, because that's what you need to do.
You need to try to fluster a rookie. You need
to go ahead and try to make him make quicker
decisions because we talked about them before. Rookies a dumb
They don't make the greatest decisions. This kid, Jackson Dart though.

(09:51):
I love the way he handled the press conference. I
love the way he's been kind of I want to say,
in the shadow of Russell because the camera does find
him during the game, Schmolke. I don't know if you
pay attention even when he hasn't played, the camera does
find him.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
Oh, they you know, they always do that said the
first mistake Jackson dark makes, they're gonna show Russell right
for sure. It's it's just a way.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
It's so funny watching the NFL. I was watching the
game the other night. What game was I watching? And
one of the details was Miami Miami game. When the
d tackle was made a really bad penalty, they kept
on showing his due for the next five minutes.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
He was on the sideline.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
When the offense was out No Miami Dolphins. Dolphins, when
it was ninety two I forgot his name. It was
like silver or something silent.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
He was actually a really good player. So, oh yeah,
he committed the was it the roughing the kicker?

Speaker 5 (10:40):
Right?

Speaker 2 (10:40):
Did you see how many times they put him on
camera like, come on, guys, leave him alone, guys just
three minutes later, five minutes later. But that's what they do.
But I just love how he's handled that being a
young guy. I think he's saying the right things. Now
he's got to go play football something that if you
watch him play at Old Miss, he had fun playing
the game of football. Oh yeah, he's very entertaining. I

(11:01):
just hope, really do that he learned how to slide
because the one play that he had in preseason where
he literally decided to say, I'm not running out of bounds.
I'm gonna run into this defender. Dude, that's not okay.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
Here, Irwin James will murder his button.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
Yes, that's not anywhere in the NFL unless you have
built up some credit like Patrick Mahomes to where you
slid I don't know, seven dozen.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
Better slide early, Yes, better slide early.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
Because a guy like Mahomes, and we've talked about going
into last week, how he's been running over guys. You
know why, because there's indecision as a defender, because you
know Mahomes slides. You know that he slides. But if
you don't know, or if you're not sure, or if
you've seen it from the past, like Daniel Jones. I
love Daniel Jones. I loved his fearlessness. But if you

(11:53):
don't slide, defenders know that in their head, and they're
not gonna ease up when them they're gonna hit you
with all the force like they're tackling. You're starting running back,
and we can't do that here, Patrick, Patrick, I mean Art, Yes.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
I know where you're going with that. So let me
go this way. Then to me, when you're playing a
team like the Chargers, with the way they play it again,
maybe they're gonna shift the way they play based on
having a rookie quarterback and all that stuff. If you
want to have success in this game, jac you have
to run the football. You have to run it well,
because they are not they play light boxes. They're not
gonna put extra guys up there. Now. To their credit,

(12:29):
they've played the run well this year even with those
light boxes. But you know, Timer Tracey is not gonna
play luckily. Talk to him yesterday, it looks like it's
only gonna be a short term thing for him. They
popped it back in and there's not a lot of
structural damage, which is yeah, so I think you feel
pretty good about it. But you're gonna have to run

(12:49):
the ball here. And I do wonder if part of
the biggest impact Jackson Dart might have is just him
as a decoy and some of that Reid option stuff
right where teams have to dedicate the actually defender to
him on the show and the reed before he either
takes it to run or hands it off. And maybe
that'll give a little bit of help to the running
game to try to create a little bit more space. Again,
I'm not sure I love him as a carrier for

(13:11):
more than yeah, a handful of times over the course
of the game. But maybe you can at least get
a defender if you're playing a light box. If one
defender has to account for the quarterback, maybe that'll give
Skataboo and Singletary some more room to run the football.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
And I agree with you, but not as a decoy.
You said he'll open up some spaces decoy. Now he'll
open up a space as a runner because once they
understand that he is a threat to run a football,
now that's where you have the hesitation as defender.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
See.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
I think they've established that already though, because I.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
Think they came in basically to run the football.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
Correct. They've done that the first last, first couple of weeks.
My guess is that if I know Jim Harbaugh and
his defensive coordinator who was with him in college, really
good coach, they're going to be pounding that into their
guys already because right in the packages that the Giants
put together for Jackson Dart that what the package was

(14:01):
they go in there to you know, he had one
pass last week that he ended up having the run
of busy.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
I total played Jackstar player like six already this season.
He was like, I know it was like.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
Five or second, you have to like eight or nine? Now?

Speaker 5 (14:11):
Right?

Speaker 2 (14:11):
Really was that many? Because he had multiple.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
Ste series one game and one series another, So I
think he got the eight or not. I have to
check that, but look, run plays.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
So you have a point there.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
Jesse Minter's a really good coach. He's an excellent defensive coordinator.
So I wonder how much they have to establish him
as a runner, or if that's already in the Chargers
heads because of what the Giants already done.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
It isn't in their head already, it is for sure.
But what you don't want to do is make him
a decoy early. You know, you want to be able
to use him in the run game. You know, because
when you're going against teams and this is not even
RPO stuff, this is just regular zone read where there's
not a pass option, right, you have to have somebody
assigned to the dive, which is when they hand the
ball off to the running back, and then you have

(14:54):
to have somebody for the quarterback poll. Right, This is
the thing. When you play teams that run zone read
with a non running quarterback, there's no one that literally
they'll literally leave the quarterback alone. And that fake doesn't
mean anything. But like you said, and what the Giants
have shown, the Giants have shown as Jackson Dark getting
in in the RPO of the zone regame, so they

(15:17):
will have people i think accounting for him, which will
make guys a little bit lighter in the box against
the dive, against the handoff to the running back. So
you definitely have a point there. Smell.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
Yeah, So we'll see how they handle it. You know,
he's good just because I know Jackson Dard and how
he is. He's going to keep it on one of
these early plays. He's gonna want to make a playoff. Yeah,
And I.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
Mean the Reid would tell him to keep it as well.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
Is Todd helly up? Pearson? Is that up yet? Not yet?
So I interviewed Todd Hally, long time NFL. He was
head coached the Chiefs with Matt Castle when he was
the quarterback, and he was a long time offensive coach
for a lot of different teams, including the Steelers. And
you know, I asked him because he had Baker Mayfield
when Baker was a rookie, right and Tyrod Taller got
hurt in week after week two and they put Baker

(16:00):
in a week three, And I asked him how you
manage like the the motions of the game for a
rookie quarterback, right, And he goes, well, it depends on
the guy. Like I had my Castle, and he's a
guy that I felt he played better when he was
a little fired up, So I tried to piss him
off before the game. Baker, on the other hand, is
a guy that he was a maniac and you have
to pull him back and calm him down. I'm gonna

(16:21):
guess that, Jackson somebody you're gonna have to calm down
a little bit based on this. Do you get that sense?
So I do wonder how they're gonna try to manage
that a little bit. Where all right, the first drop back,
you don't have to make the eighteen yard dig, you know,
in between three defenders into the middle of the field
and try to make an explosive play on play one.

(16:42):
The checkdown's okay, So to me, I think that's something
I'm gonna keep an eye on too. Is he willing
to get to that checkdown? Just make the easy play
because you know the competitor in Jackson Dart. Again, this
isn't a negative. I'd rather have a quarterback you have
to pull back than to try to get to be aggressive.
Can you just make sure that a right take the
easy place?

Speaker 2 (17:02):
Yeah, okay, it's it's a such thing as like happy
ignorance too, Like he doesn't he doesn't understand how fast
those safeties can jump those routes, how fast those corners out.

Speaker 3 (17:12):
And I'm gonna so he's he's.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
Gonna throw it, Like you said, he's not. He's gonna
throw it. He's gonna think it's there and I think
it might get there. You know, it might get you.
But that's the thing. You're not gonna get a guy
who's gun shy, you know what I mean. Right, he's
he's gonna go out there and throw that ball around.
You know, he's gonna make mistakes. I think he's gonna
you know, he's gonna go in like. This is why
I'm excited, because we don't know exactly what we're gonna get,

(17:36):
you know, but we're gonna get right. That is That
is fun, you know. And like people saying that the
Giants new toy, Yes he is a new toy. He's
a first round draft pick, number one, who had a
lot of success in the SEC against a lot of
these defenders that he see, and very competitive, Like he's

(17:56):
a guy that took hits against Georgia came back and
you know what's competitive and that game. You know, he's
a guy that has showed so much mental and physical toughness.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
There's no question I want to turn.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
Down the physical toughness a little bit. He don't need
to be that tough, trying to challenge linebackers. But for me,
I want to go out I want to I want
to make sure he goes out there and shows the
mental toughness. Let's say he does interception early, don't get gunshoed.
Throw that ball again, you know what I mean? Like,
I want to see that.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
I don't worry about that with him. I think he'll
be okay with that.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
Yeah, yeah, I think so too. Like I said, I'm
excited because you really don't know what you're gonna get
from him, But I do think and no offense to Russell,
Russell hasn't layered the ball well and fit in windows
in a very long time.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
Well again, I think that's to do with his height too, Right,
It's just harder when you're a shorter quarterback to layer
the ball in the middle of the field. It's a
hard thing to do.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
But then also you become accustomed to playing a certain
way that you had success with and like last week
the Chiefs, the Chiefs took that away from the Giants.
The Chiefs took that away. And then he basically missed
a couple of d balls. Couple ended up in interceptions
where he didn't hit neighbors because when all things fail, right,
even the Dallas game, when all things failed, just throw

(19:09):
the ball up. But this is the thing, this is
the reason why I feel like the Giants have struggled
in the red zone. You can't throw deep balls in
the red zone, especially when you're.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
In a tight red and I think that's where we
might see the biggest impact of Jackson Dart here is
and that the Giants red zone.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
Off in the red zone basically so far, and the.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
Giants offense in the red zone has been abysmal so far.
This year has been dead.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
You gotta run a football.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
Right, and I think the quarterbacks mobility helps her. I
think more size from Dart will help there a little
bit too, So I'm with you on that. I think
that could be a big factor in this game. The
other thing I'll throw out there is just generally I
would expect get the ball out quick, I would expect
a bunch of RPOs. I would expect screen passes, those
little goal routes down the sideline which show.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
A little bit earlier in the game.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
Yes, look, I will give the Chiefs credit. And I
said this on the show on Monday. The Chiefs were
putting a lot of defense for so for there, I
mean why not? I mean I would too, but in
the first year as you want to screen.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
For yeah or reverse or something. We've done that in
the past with Melik.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
Correct, So yeah, I'm with you. I think you get
the ball to him early in this game, get him going,
and look you want to you want to build the
chemistry with those two guys, because remember, Jackson got a
lot of work, decent amount of work. I would say
with the ones in the spring, you got a decent
amount in the summer, it was really limited. This's what
Malik didn't do anything in the spring.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
Right, and he missed practiced yesterday too.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
Correct, So let's get those guys rolling and then show
him they're doing extra work after practice.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
You get that going and everything is he available today
of practice?

Speaker 3 (20:35):
Look that up here to see if anyone is tweeted
out yet if if if when Dabel did his drive by, if.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
It's because they're practicing right now. It's just been doing
this show during practice because it's like we really don't know,
and then there's other people out there that know.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
Because and again and we aren't permitted to report what's happening.
In practice the regular season anyway, which is why we.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
Who's available though we could do that well, yes.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
But yeah, exactly well and Dable should have told the
media today who has practice for Dan Salamon. Brian Davis said,
Malik Neighbor's shoulder will practice.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
Okay, good, that's something that it's good, you know because
at the end of the day, you know, I truly
believe and I heard Levonte Davis say, it's not too
long going a podcast. You need practice, bro, you need practice.
You know, as a person like me, I didn't like practice,
you know what I mean. I loved it and hated
it at the same time, you know what I mean,
Like I felt like the I got paid to practice,
you know, but you have to practice. You have to

(21:26):
practice full speed. You have to practice to see things
a certain way. You have to practice to get your
foot your feet work right. You have to practice to
get to knock the rust off. You like. Practice is
so necessary and having the right people there while you're
practicing is very important as well.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
All right, two one nine, three, nine, four five one three.
We could break this thing down a million different ways.
Paul and Matt will have a full preview tomorrow they'll
handle that, no problem. But let's get to your calls.
But first on our minds, everybody that coming up this
sun that we've been talking about, I feel like like
a month and a half now, Pierson, we have the
Ultimate New York Giants Women's Tailgate, presented by Joe ma Own.
The ticketed event will take place this Sunday from tena

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and to noon and Lodgi Before Giants and Chargers, Attendees
will have the opportunity to connect and hang out and
meet Madelin Burke, one of our team reporters. She'll be
the tailgate host. Giant Legends will be there as well.
They'll be a curated merchandise shop, exclusive Kendriscott activation, tailgate games, giveaways, photos,
live DJ, and a whole lot more. Tailgate food and

(22:23):
one drink ticket are included with the ticket purchase. It
is a ticketed event, folks. Tailgate is twenty one years
of age and older only. All right, let's get to
it now.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
We'll be there as well.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
Sorry, whoa JC is going to be there?

Speaker 2 (22:35):
I'll be at the tailgate.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
No one there is twenty one years of age and older.
We're doing like a breakfast earlier you never you never
know what's gonna happen with Jin sure.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
Especially when I'm not working, right, you know I'm not working.
I can have some fun before the game. Remember ten
Am Y'ah'll be there. Okay, I'll be there one Maybe.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
I gotta bust your palls, you know that. Let's go
to Nico, Connecticut. He's up for his Nico. What's going on? Then?

Speaker 7 (23:02):
What's going on?

Speaker 5 (23:03):
Guys?

Speaker 3 (23:04):
We're good?

Speaker 4 (23:05):
Hey, so a couple of things. I just want to say,
Scat's the man. I mean, he's gonna he's gonna be
the one for us. But here's my big problem is
if you look back at Michael Parsons in his first
six games, he had I think two and a half sacks,
maybe twenty twenty two solo attack with something like that.

(23:26):
The only reason I bring him up is because Abdul
Carter has been compared to him more times than I
can count. And I mean through the first three games
half a sack.

Speaker 5 (23:35):
I mean, what is going on?

Speaker 4 (23:36):
Is Shane Bone to playing like?

Speaker 5 (23:38):
What's going on? Well?

Speaker 3 (23:39):
I mean if Michaeh Parson's had how many sacks in
his first six games? One and a half, two and
a half two and a half. All right, So all
he needs to.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
Get is in three games, got three games left.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
He's got three games left to get there. I mean
it isn't exactly he's so he's on pace for one
and a half instead of you know whatever. I mean,
I don't I wouldn't get to rold up about the
sack number, Nico. The issue you ran into last week
is that the Giants were sure so and we shure
have talked about this more on Monday show. I didn't
get to it. The Giants were so shorthanded on defense
on Sunday at linebacker because Darius Mussaut didn't play. Mike

(24:11):
McFadden's that long term Jason, and I know you notice
this too. They had to play Abdual Carter as an
off ball linebacker. Yeah, and Shane Bollen talked about it
today and he said, look, we basically had to, you know,
use him there because we had to. But look, they
want to use him as a pass rusher. I mean
I went and I looked at it right before the
show started, Nico. Just to give you an idea. Let
me see, I could bring this up, thrive it ready
in front of me.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
I can speak to that real quick go ahead, please.
I saw him playing a lot off the ball, and
I understood right when I saw him, I was like, well,
I mean, they don't really got nobody else there to
play that position, and they wanted to get him on
the field. This is the thing, though, Carter's been playing
on the ball, and that's why why he was drafted
number three pick overall because of his on the ball presence.
He has showed in the past when he was at
Penn State that he was off the ball linebacker and

(24:54):
he had some success there. But you don't want him right,
He did get drafted number three for his pass rushing ability.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
I'll give you this is a perfect example, Nico, and
then you can continue week one. Playing on the line
of scrimmage. He had thirty four snaps against Washington Week two,
and again he would have played more, but the no
huddle offense didn't allow substitutions the way they wanted. Week two,
he played sixty one snaps on the line of scrimmage
against Dallas Week three thirteen, and that's because he played

(25:23):
forty three snaps off the ball. He only played nine
against Dallas six against Washington, so his role changed last
week My guess is that they're gonna try to want
to get him on the edge a little bit more
on the line of scrimmage, a little more in this game,
getting after the quarterback. Nikos, So I think you'll get
your wish.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
He's good off the ball. He's great on the ball. Correct,
He's great on the.

Speaker 6 (25:44):
I totally agree with that.

Speaker 4 (25:45):
I was in Dallas.

Speaker 5 (25:46):
I went to that game.

Speaker 4 (25:47):
That I mean, that was my first ever NFL game.
Talk about an experience to see runs.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
Oh wow, that must have been crazy. That must have
been fun.

Speaker 5 (25:54):
Man.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
Well, for sure, it was great, except I.

Speaker 8 (25:57):
Was surrounded by all those Cowboys fans.

Speaker 6 (25:59):
They hated me. I was loud and proud.

Speaker 4 (26:01):
But you know, Carter looks great in that game. But
don't you think that we should maybe put him in
a position where he can be great and not just good?

Speaker 3 (26:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Yeah, I mean, but what happens, bro, Like when guys
go down, it happens, you know, Like it was times
where we went into the game with four linebackers to
get kid hurt, we have two linebackers. How do you
play a football game with two linebackers? Smoke? You know
what I mean? You have to grab somebody from another
position and move them. It just happens that way. And look,

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he has experience at that position. Until they find somebody
to be better than him. At middle linebacker, that's probably
going to be his spot until they say, all right,
we're more comfortable with this guy pointing to me.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
And again, I don't think they're like, yeah, we get
to put out Due Carter's at off ball linebacker. I
think it's like, oh, man, I guess we have to
put out Due Carter as an off ball linebacker. And
again he lost a bunch of guys good injury.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
It happens, right, But the NFL, this is literally what happens.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
When when he runs. And I'm sure you've seen this
with teammates before in the and they've been asked to
do something that they can do, but it's not their strength.
That's what the team needs.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
I mean, look, let me let me put this in perspective. Right,
my rookie year, right, I came in as a week's
out linebacker. I was two hundred and twenty five pounds, smunk.
I'm not anything else but a will maybe even a safety. Right,
So I come in and jovid my lineback coach, He says, JC,
I don't want you looking at at nothing else but
the will right, nothing else. I'm like, all right, cool.
So I'm looking locked in at the wheel for three days,

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looking at the wheel, not looking at Mike, not looking
at Sam.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
This is like in the spring.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
This is no this is training camp. This is training camp.
This is right before the season started. So he comes
to me, he was like, all right, JC, I want
you in at Sam right now. I'm like, bro, what
I was like, what do you what? I had no
idea what I was doing.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
And by the way, and that's and that's thrown off
ball linebacker position. So it's an even smaller change than
what we're talking about.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
What I'm saying is you gotta be prepared, you know,
you just don't know because guys get hurt. Guys don't practice,
you know. And this is at practice, So this is
not during the game. If they're you know, on the
fence about playing. Everybody plays when they're on the fence.
You're gonna play on a weekend. But the thing is
you might not practice, so they have to get reps.
You have to be prepared to play different things. That's
why the versatility that our dude Carter has makes it

(28:12):
better for Shane Bowen, so they don't have to bring
in a linebacker off the street to bring him in
a fill the roster spot in their unproven commodity. At
least they have a guy who you know, he's definitely
a number three draft pick for the Giants because of
his past rushing abilities. But he has at least one
full year maybe two full years of experience playing linebacker
at Penn State off the ball, so it's not like

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he's never done it before, you know. And it will
take time because that position requires you to think a
lot more than on being on the ball and rushing.
And I think it's good experience for him, but I
would like to see him definitely more on the ball.
And I don't know, because I'm always a guy, and
I used to curse spags out all the time because
I'm always We talked about this when I first jumped on.

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Always like a two linebacker defense instead of a one
linebacker defense, right, instead of pitting a nickel in, I'd
rather have a linebacker there instead of a nickel. But
that's just me, that's my preference. I'm very biased. I
played linebacker my whole career, but having abdu Carter gained
that experience as the off the ball linebacker, I think
is vital for him because it'll make him a smarter
player as well.

Speaker 3 (29:14):
No, I'm within that one hundred percent two one nine
three nine four five one three. But again, guys, I
think they're going to get him in a pass rushing
situation as much as they possibly can.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
And you can send them on blitzes from the middle
linebacker spot too.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
Candy and chamber and basically just said that today. I mean,
they they know what they have. They're going to try
to use him as a pass rusher, but it's good
to know that in a case of need on an
early down you have him as an off ball guy
if you need him there. All right, let's go to
coach Marvin and Delaware. He's up next.

Speaker 6 (29:42):
Hide coach, are you doing?

Speaker 5 (29:44):
John?

Speaker 6 (29:44):
And John?

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Coach?

Speaker 3 (29:46):
What do you got?

Speaker 6 (29:46):
Coachy'a doing a little nervous about the game coming up
with dark I'm hoping he does well. I think he
can bring that electricity to the team. The way they
act in the preseason, even though it's a preseason game.
I thought electrified the stadium and electrified the team and
hopefully it's that same energy. Only thing I asked him

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to do is don't play to the crowd.

Speaker 5 (30:12):
Just go play the game.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
Coach, I will say this. You bring energy and you
get the stadium pumped up by moving the ball in
scoring points. You can have all the personality and swag
and all that other stuff that you want. The only
thing that's gonna pump up that crowd is all that's
what you need to do.

Speaker 5 (30:29):
I agree with that.

Speaker 6 (30:30):
That's why I said that he doesn't have to he
doesn't have to use that energy to play, because sometimes
you can play outside yourself when you get caught up
in the crowds. I'm saying, when they walk on that field,
it's going to be energized. The team's going to be energized,
and he's going to be energized until they start playing.
And that's why I say, once he starts playing, play

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within yourself. Don't get caught up in the raw raw,
and help yourself not to make mistakes ticket play by play.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
YEP.

Speaker 6 (31:00):
Another thing I was calling about was a whole week.
I was listening to everybody, and I can understand why
they frustrated. And you mean, we've been going through this
for a full decade pretty much, But I just like
them to tone it a little down because they were
talking about day Ball and Dave Ball. If I'm correct,
he was at Alabama, right, Yep, he was in New England,

(31:25):
and he was in Buffalo.

Speaker 3 (31:28):
Yeah, I mean he also he also pit stop in
Cleveland and there. I think he had a pit stop
in Kansas City maybe too. I got a double check that.

Speaker 5 (31:36):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (31:37):
So when I hear people who say this guy can't coach,
I'm how you getting all these jobs with these teams.
This guy can coach. And I believe in day Ball
he's under some stress right now, but the guy can coach.
And to say he can't coach, and hey, I appreciate
all the callers. I appreciate when they mentioned my name.

(31:58):
It was one he said last earlier this week. I
don't know if you were.

Speaker 5 (32:01):
There, John.

Speaker 6 (32:02):
He said that teaching Josh Allen, that that Wilson and
myself and and Charlie could coach Josh Allen, And I
just want to let him know, no, I can't coach.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
By the way, I would be a little offended that
you got put into the same sentence as Charlie. He
knew who I was, so that's that's something.

Speaker 6 (32:34):
And Charlie them they could be over the top some
of the.

Speaker 5 (32:36):
Stuff they say.

Speaker 4 (32:37):
He's had some facts to it.

Speaker 6 (32:39):
I don't discredit them, it's just the tone that they
put it in a little over the top for me.
But the only thing the last I had is that
I am concerned about and it's just me. It doesn't
mean I'm right. I'm not saying I'm right. It's just
my style of coaching because of how the team is
disciplined and in the beginning of discipline, and you have

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to set that tone as a coach. And I think
sometimes I feel, this is my feelings that he gets
up table, gets a little too friendly with them. They
were showing them are hard knocks when Dexter Lawrence called them.
And I understand that I get calls for my players,
but they're my ex players. And they was talking and

(33:23):
you know, he's I looked that guy and that that
would warm from my heart. But you when you're coaching them,
it is a totally different attitude because in the discipline,
for me, in my military background, you don't want to
disappoint the coach, and in the military you don't want
to disappoint and the big people in the service understand,

(33:45):
especially the army. First what the sergeant we call top
and Top was a no nonsense person. He didn't take
no excuses. So what happens is once you have those
people waitaiting for you on the sideline, you don't want
to disappoint them the way they're getting on you, So
your concentration is a little different. That's how I see it.

(34:08):
And coaching Mike, the kids eye coach. They already knew
in the beginning that that was something I never put
up with. With penalties they happened, I understand that, but
they're going to get ridiculed. I'm going to get on them,
especially if they repeated offender. If you did it once,
I may be like, hey, you got to you got
to listen to the count. What was the count on?

(34:29):
Ask them what was the count and say, well, all right,
that's simple. But if you are repeated offender, and I
make sure the team, the team knew that I was
going to be waiting for them, called mistakes that they
made because I had a standard for them. If you
are a performer, I want a performance every time you're
on the field. Coach, you are performance. I want sea

(34:51):
performance or better.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
Coach, totally understand where you're coming from. Appreciate the call.
I'm happy we learned something. Coach Marvin today A is
a no nonsense coach. Yeah, very very nice to meet
her on the balls, but it is very oh yeah,
but it sounds like it sounds like you don't want
to get it as bad side on the football field.
So it's a good question. So I want to go
to you the player. What did you want from a

(35:15):
coach as a player? My second part of this question,
what do you think you needed from a coach as
a players? A lot of times those can be different things.

Speaker 5 (35:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
See, this is the thing when you get to the NFL, right,
these young guys coming in. There's a lot of second
year players that's playing a lot of football for the Giants,
and of course rookies are playing too. You you get
a little bit more handheld in college, you know, they
hold your hand a little bit.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
Uh, especially now when a player could enter the transfer
portal every five minutes and leave the program.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
And not to say accountability doesn't exist, because that's that's
not true at all, but in the NFL, like they
don't baby you, They don't hold your hand. They expect
you to be accountable. They expect you to be available
and to be accountable availability. That's a week to week thing.
People get hurt, blah blah blah blah blah. But I'm
talking about when you're healthy, that you're available, being locked

(36:06):
in the meeting rooms, knowing and understanding your assignment and
doing your assignment and then being accountable right not making
the same mistakes. Everybody makes mistakes in the NFL, no
matter how many years you have. But I just think
that there's not too much teaching of fundamentals that go
on in the NFL because they expect you to kind

(36:26):
of know these things. So I get real kind of
like people saying developing players and developing stuff like that.
People get better when they're in the NFL, because that's
what you have to do, because you cannot compete if
you're not accountable, if you're not available, if you don't
understand the game of football. And it's just on a
different level when you get here. These are professionals, These

(36:47):
are the best players in the world. There's not another
professional league out there that can compete with the NFL.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
But can you ride your players and provide that level
of I'll use the word discipline. I don't think it's
necess started the correct word to using the situation. But
you guys know what I'm saying. If you were also
friendly with them, can you do both? Like can you
hug them? Can you hug them today? And then you
know the rule that's.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Your personality, you can you know, I think so too
Campbell from from the Lions. You see how fiery is.
He's definitely friendly to guys, but he's probably a guy
that cursed some guys out consistent, you know, but you
have to be consistent with that.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
And I think Parcels is that way too, right, Like, yeah, he's.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
Always gonna joke with you, but he's gonna get on you.
He's gonna be the first person to get on you.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
Yeah, But I love hard coaching, like you know, And
I always use my mom because my mom raised me.
My mom cursed a lot, you know, like when I
was younger, but like I never questioned, you know what
I mean, like her thoughts. I never questioned her love,
Like I never questioned her compassion. That was just how
she was.

Speaker 5 (37:52):
You know.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
My daughter heard my mom yelling at me like a
couple of weeks ago on the phone, she was like, like,
my grandma yells like that. I was like, Jade, yes,
I didn't have people over my house for like seventeen years.
She was kicking everybody out. But like, it's not about
the message, is not how they say it. At this level,
you have to be able to receive coaching, whether it's soft,

(38:14):
whether it's aggressive, whether it's passive, whatever it is, you
have to be able to receive coaching. The players are
accountable and people, you know, all the outside world and listen,
this is New York. I was here when Foster was here.
Of course, when when Coughlin got you know, here when
Coughlin won a Super Bowl seven, he was on the
hot seat.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
Yes, everyone of them fired after that Viking's debacle.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
That's how it is here.

Speaker 5 (38:37):
You know.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
For me, it's it's not on the coaches, it's on
the players. That's why when we come in here and
everybody's like, oh, Dave Ball. You know, I watched you know,
a sports center, I watched ESPN, I watched I watched
the shows. I'm on Instagram. I'm watching all of the stuff.
Everybody keep calling for day Ball. I'm sorry, day ball
has not made a tackle in the NFL. He's not

(38:59):
throwing the football.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
Are you with Wilson while you're watching all those different
shows everything like that.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Let's say for Wilson, I don't want that biased whatever
he has. He's an interesting character. But I put it
a lot on the players, you know, and it's hard
to do it with younger players, but there's older players
in every single room. There's experience in every single room,
and I think the players should hold people accountable, not
the coaches.

Speaker 3 (39:21):
Two A one nine three nine four or five one three.
Let's go to coach Kevin and Arizona coach Squared.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
What's up? Coach?

Speaker 5 (39:29):
Hey, guys, how you doing?

Speaker 3 (39:30):
We're good? What do you got hey?

Speaker 5 (39:32):
Great show this morning. I agree with a lot of
things you guys are saying about coaching and everything else.
Of first, I would know that. I just wanted to say,
I hope that the coaching staff does not get too
conservative in this game, and let Jackson be Jackson, let
him do what he can do, don't hold him back.
I think the worst thing you can do with a
young quarterback is be so conservative that he becomes predictable.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
And I don't get the sense coach that that that's
something Dable will do. I think he wants Jacks him
to be himself. I don't think that's going to be
an issue, to be honest with you.

Speaker 5 (40:04):
Yeah, I just that was my one concern, that don't
don't don't cramp him up just because he's this is
his first game going live. Let him go. Yeah, let
him go. The kids got twent let him show it,
let him make mistakes. It's okay. And and I think
that I think that's the best way to go. You know,
we had a kid like that here in high school
in Arizona at Cassa Grant here and I'll tell you

(40:26):
now he's starting quarterback for Central Michigan and and Angel
was the you know, we didn't know he was just
a freshman kid when he first came in, started starting varsity.
The freshman took took the teams at the state championship
three years later. So great kids. And you know, he
got his chance to play now with with a Division
I school and he's doing great. So I just think

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it don't hammer these kids. Let them learn on the job.
And I think all your comments earlier on look, he
came he played against the best in the SEC. I mean,
that's a great test. I see him more like blocks.
I mean, and so maybe another Jaden Daniels type player
with the elusiveness. I see him more like that in
that mold, not not like some of the other quarterbacks

(41:09):
that you can compare him to. I really do see
him being more dynamic out there for a young guy
because he's played against the best and he just has
this moxie about him. I see something in him. I
think they're gonna be people are gonna be surprised. I
disagree with a lot of these commentators around the country
on the NFL network that are saying, now he's going
to sack that's the terrible decision. I disagree totally.

Speaker 3 (41:30):
Now, Kevin, look, I will say this, I don't think
he is in the same level of athlete that Jaden
Daniels is. He doesn't have that raw thumb.

Speaker 5 (41:37):
I'm not saying that, but he has that moxy.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
No, he does have moxy. I agree with that. Hey, coach,
I churiosity. Don't think we ever had this conversation. You
coached high school down in Arizona. Is that what you do?

Speaker 5 (41:46):
Yeah? I did, I did.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
I retired Now Okay, so you so you much so
you much like coach Marvin, are both retired high school coaches.

Speaker 5 (41:55):
Yeah, yeah, I'm going I sall last week, remember that
we were talking about we hope we see this frea.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
Yeah, I was just curious on your background.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
Coach.

Speaker 3 (42:05):
That's it. I appreciate it, man.

Speaker 5 (42:10):
Oh okay, yeah, thank you. That's all I had to say.
I just wanted to say, please, don't put him in
a box. Let him go. No, coach, I sing him.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
Coach, you make great points, and and I appreciate you
calling in. I think they're gonna let him play now.
Might they have to pull him back if things get
a little wild? Yeah, sure, but I don't I don't
think they want to kick and dables asses over the
summer a few different times, like and he's been very
clear that you don't want to throw water on that
competitive fire.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (42:38):
You want, you want if that's who Jackson is, and
that's who he is, let him be him. Let him
go out there and do it now. Again, make sure
he's not trying to run over two hundred and seventy pounds,
you know, defensive ends. Make sure he's not throwing it
at the team meetings left and right, like that stuff
that can hurt him or lose games for you. Yeah,
but beyond that, let the kid go out there and play.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
Let him play, Let him play. And I think he
has a first of all, I think he has a
great personality that fits into the locker room, right, you know,
I think bringing Russell in, Russell has kind of his
own special personality that, you know, I think it fits in.
The Giants needed Russell, like I don't. I don't question that.
I think the Giants needed Russell because there was inexperience

(43:22):
at that position, because there was only time of de
Vido here right before they got Russell and Jamis, and
this is before Jackson Dart was drafted. So I think
they went ahead and got two guys who are proven
commodities in the NFL to help with overall leadership and
morale on the offense, because offensively, the Giants have struggled
in years past and they needed somebody like a Russell,

(43:43):
a Super Bowl champion like a Jamis, a godfearing guy
that never ever hesitates to instill something in his other guys.
And I think they're continuously doing that as well. And
that's not going to stop because Jackson darts there. So
for me, as long as those guys are there and
have jack and darts back. Because again I'm not putting
too much on the coaches, because at the end of

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the day, when when the ball gets kicked off at
one pm on Sunday, not one coach is making one
player during the game. It's all on the players, and
the players got to help other players come along. The
other players got to help other players stay motivated, you know,
and and those players got to help each other win.
I'm sorry the coaches, they put out calls, but they're
not running them. It's full It's on the player. So

(44:27):
people keep talking about the coaching and Shaine Bowe and
all of that stuff. Bobby Ocaak and and and Dame
bell In and dex cel Lons. Those guys are the
guys out there every single week that need to make plays.
Winning number is called, and that is it. So for me,
I want to go out there and see the Giants
defense show up like we really haven't seen them show

(44:48):
up this year. And I'm not talking about a couple
of sacs in here. I'm talking about a destructive game
where you're causing multiple turnovers. You're you're flustering a young
very You're not even young anymore. Her right, he's a
veteran talented quarterback. And you think what you saw last
week from Houdini in Mahomes. This guy can do that.

(45:08):
But he has better targets down the field, I think
with the better armed in Mahomes as well too.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
I mean, Herbert might have the best arm of the league.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
Right, This guy special for sure.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
You remember that throw a few years ago when the
Giants played in LA, That post throw he threw the field.
That might be the best throw I've ever seen an
NFL game. It was like sixty five yards in the
year Pierce, So do you remember that throw right that
he made against us? His arm top, Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
His arm talent is second to none. Since last year,
since the beginning of last year, he's only thrown four interceptions,
three last year and one this year. This kid has
under he's understanding how to play the quarterback position, and
he has I think the talent at wide receiver and
the mindset with the head coach to have success. So
the Giants got to do a good job defensively against

(45:51):
his team and offensively, like you said, I would like
for them to establish the run game, because that's something
that the Giants, even though Scattable looked cute and everything
last week and everything looked cool, but the Giants haven't
been a dominant force on the ground in a very
long time.

Speaker 3 (46:05):
Here's the post throw. Look at that throw. He got
rushers in his face. He rolls to his left. This
thing he's a He draws back to about his thirty
rolls out, throws it from the thirty three yard line,
hits the receiver at the three. Dude right before he's

(46:29):
about to get laid out from.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
Behind, and he got hit too. He got hit. Yeah,
that's what he's cap.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
That's what he's capable of. That's one of the best
in game throws ever seen.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
But that's the thing, like you take away.

Speaker 3 (46:40):
Everybody's the fans can't see that. I'm sorry, but go search.
Just go just go to Google. Great podcast, it's fantastic content.
Just go to Google. If you're listening along with us,
keep us open in one window, open up a new
browser window, and go search on Google. What did I search?

Speaker 2 (46:57):
Hold on?

Speaker 3 (46:58):
I'm gonna make sure I get the search parameters correct.
Tier I searched for Justin Herbert post throw against the Giants.
Click on videos. It's the third one down. It is
a unbelievable throw.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
Absolutely shut up here. Ye yeah, yeah, I mean he's
he's an incredible talent. You know, they haven't won with him,
you know, at the Helm for a while, but I
think they figured it out. Defensively, they have Derwin James healthy.
You know, he's a guy that that's if he stays healthy,
he's all world. He's so good at playing football and
he's healthy right to his stacks. He has twenty six

(47:28):
overall tackles. He has one second, five TFLs and two
passing defense in three games. Five TfL is crazy.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
I talked to Devin Signatory about him today. His quote
to me, he's everywhere.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
Yeah, that was Yes, he is, Yes, everywhere. He's the fastest,
the strongest, Like he's just pound for pound. He's one
of the best fotball players in the NFL.

Speaker 6 (47:47):
It's crazy to me, is Keenan Allen's resurgence, Like he
goes to the Chargers and he's just back to twenty
seven year old Keenan Allen.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Keenan Allen first of all. D r C told me
He's one of the toughest covers in the NFL. And
I was like, in disbelief. He was like a guy
that big, that can get in and out.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
Of change directions.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
Right, Yeah, you know that's Devontae Adams. That's those experienced,
not small wide receivers that run really good routes.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
Just funny, I always thought, and this was on you
as a young player, and I hadn't done started doing
a lot of draft stuff yet, and I'm like, you know,
Keenan Allen, he's one of these, you know, smaller slot guys.
He's really elusive, going back and forth, and I looked
up his height and weigh and I'm like, how does
he move like that? At two hundred and twenty five
pounds That's insane? Yep, And You're right, that's the difference

(48:33):
with him. It's his size and strength combined with his
ability to basically, you know, put guys in a blender
with his running.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
It's difficult because even if corners, right, because a lot
of corners, like you meet a lot of different corners
in the NFL, Right, DRC and Jack Rabbert they were
two different guys, right, very different. But when you have
a guy like Keenan Allen who can run good routes.
Let's say Jack Rabbit, smaller guy, Jack Rabbit, He's not
gonna get left by Keen Allen. Jack Rabbit had great
cover skills, but he was little. Keen Allen is gonna

(49:02):
out play him for the ball because he's so big,
you know what I mean. Keenan Allen is an ideal
possession wide receiver. Correct, He's not a fast guy. He's
not the quickest guy, but he runs really great routes
and on some real stuff. Possession receivers are quarterbacks best friends.

Speaker 3 (49:16):
Yeah, I'm with you, all right, let's go back to
the phones and go to and by the way, Quentin
Johnson's been awesome. Yes, in his third year. It's the
taste guy. Sometime, he's been great. Aladin McConkie's good too.
So they got some good players. Their offensive line is
banged up though.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
He's really good and really good.

Speaker 3 (49:30):
And you talk about the pass rush JC taking over
this game. The Giants defensive front has to win this
game for them. Yes, this Chargers offensive line is banged up.
They have ra Shawn no Verrashawn Slat Already, Beckton's been
hurt Trey Pipkins got banged up last week. We'll see
who plays this week. But you got to get to
the quarterback. That's the only way we'll win this. It's

(49:50):
going to Marcus in California. We got two more calls. Marcus.
What's up?

Speaker 5 (49:55):
How you doing?

Speaker 3 (49:55):
We're good, man, how are you?

Speaker 7 (49:58):
I'm okay. I'm just wanting to give you a little
John's for talking.

Speaker 5 (50:00):
To me out and going to the Dallas game.

Speaker 7 (50:02):
Man, it would have been the best game of the
year I've seen in a long time.

Speaker 3 (50:07):
But I know, no, no, no. Though. He called and
he asked if I had one game to travel and
go through this year, what game would it be? And
I suggested Denver because they rarely play in Denver. It's
a good stadium, and you could do Dallas anywhere. By
the way, now you get to see Jackson Dart so
you're welcome.

Speaker 7 (50:25):
Well, I'm not gonna go unless we're two.

Speaker 5 (50:28):
And four or better.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
Oh well, I can't help you.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
I don't put that stipulation on.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
I can't help you there, bro, I can't guarantee records.

Speaker 4 (50:36):
I know.

Speaker 7 (50:36):
That's why I was like go early on, because they
didn't wouldn't have mattered.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
All right, So then I might save you some money
and you're welcome now.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
Now if you want to have a good time, I'll
be in New Orleans next week. That's always a good
time in New Orleans. The football game is a different story.
I'm talking about just New Orleans.

Speaker 7 (50:54):
I'm waiting for those infield suites to get done in
New Orleans Stadium and then I want to go because
I want to be at one of those field level
sweets they're building.

Speaker 5 (51:03):
Have you seen them?

Speaker 3 (51:03):
I have not seen those they're building.

Speaker 5 (51:06):
Up on Google.

Speaker 7 (51:07):
Just a field level suite. So it's gonna be like
under the field, like you're gonna be like chest level
with the field surrounding the field, almost like dug out,
yeah kind of, but they're gonna be a little bit lower.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
Coaches kitchens behind the bench let me see.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
Yeah, oh wow, all right, yeah that's kind of cool.
So it's gonna be it almost like those would be
in the end zone based on what I'm looking at here.

Speaker 7 (51:38):
Yeah, yeah, obviously you can't put.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
Those in the sideline because the players on the sideline
are going to block your wheel.

Speaker 7 (51:43):
But you put them the end zone, yeah, no, they're
going a trip that's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
That's not bad.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
I like it all right, Marcus, what do you have
in the game, So you feel.

Speaker 7 (51:51):
Like I wanted your guys opinion on this, that the
offensive line has been playing average enough to be okay
to put Dart in. I felt like that was maybe
one of the major things. They're not playing good, they're
not playing great, but they're not the.

Speaker 5 (52:04):
Reason we're losing.

Speaker 7 (52:06):
So I feel okay with putting him in. And I
also wanted to ask JC, like, what is the deal
with second in nineteen, third, and nineteen being an automatic
pickup for the other teams?

Speaker 5 (52:20):
Like?

Speaker 7 (52:21):
Is it play calling?

Speaker 5 (52:22):
Is it the players? Is it?

Speaker 3 (52:24):
Second and long has not been a good down for
the Giants this year? You're Marcus, You're absolutely right. Second
and long has been a borderline.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
That's a great I turned down too Vegas.

Speaker 7 (52:35):
In the Washington game there was three thirds and like
fifteen pluses that were picked up.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
Yeah, I mean I just talked about it earlier. And listen,
I'm not saying I don't care what the coaches called,
but the players got to go out there execute. You
got to understand what you're seeing, what you're going against.

Speaker 3 (52:52):
Right, and thank you Marcus, we got to like second.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
I mean, I don't know, man, Like it's it's hard
to like why them convert? You know, watch the Giants
give up these second and longs even third and long two.
You know, it's it's really difficult. But for me, it's
all on the players. Like it's on the players. The
guys are out there. You know, if if if everybody
was where they were supposed to be at and they

(53:16):
were just making plays, you know, I was like, all right, okay,
that's that's obviously the coach. But it's not like that
they're making mistakes. They're out of position, right, they're missing tackles,
not too many miss tackles, but they have done that,
you know, and and and and for me, and this
is my thing, missed opportunities, Like how many times are
Debo that you're going to have a ball in your hands?

Speaker 3 (53:39):
And Boone talked about this today. This defense has had
way too many opportunities and you can't blame the defensive.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
And I'm just using that one because that was very like.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
The fumble diebo on the interception.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
But those players you have to make them. You have
to make those because I'm not I'm not saying be
a bember don't break defense. I'm not saying that, but
there is a learning which I talked about Adebo Holland.
These guys are new Shane Bones by the years.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
This is not a ben but broke don't defense anymore.
They're like third and blitzerrate and fourth in man cover rate.
But this is not a soft zone team anymore. That's
not how they're playing.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
You have to take the ball away though, correct. You
have to, especially now you got a young rookie quarterback
who's gonna need a lot of attempts to go out
there and score some points. You know, the Giants haven't
been scoring a lot of points, especially at home. Yes,
the Giants is like I don't want to say they're
allergic to score and touchdown at home, but it doesn't
happen that much.

Speaker 3 (54:33):
So just real quick, JC. Right now, the Giants are
sixth in the NFL in percentage of the time they
play single high, and they're sixth in the NFL in
the percentage times that they blitz. That is not the
characteristics of a bend but don't break defense. They're only
thirty five percent of the time to play too high.
It's not a lot.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
Yeah, gotta get home, gotta win second and long.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
Just to give you an example, the Chargers are fifty
percent too high. So it's a big difference.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
Yeah, a huge difference.

Speaker 3 (54:59):
And their fifth highest in terms of two high percentage.
So this is not that is not what this giant.
That's not the DNA of this Giants defense anymore. Like
they're blitzing and they're playing one high. That's what they're doing.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
And when I say miss opportunities is not always about
you know, the drop interceptions. If from all that stuff
I'm talking about second and long, that is a missed
opportunity because you want as a defense, you want second
and long. That's what you want. And you can get
real versative with your defense. You can sit back and coverage.
You can blitz, you can do a zone a zone

(55:30):
fire blitz, you can do what's it called a simulated blitz,
which a lot of teams do. Now that's like kind
of taking form. But you gotta win. That's a very
winnable down for defense.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
I apologize, by the way for looking on my phone
during the show here, but my man, Brian Balldinger was
was texting me. And this goes back to the question
that Marcus had us, and he asked us about the
Giants offensive line. It hasn't been as good as I
want it to be, Okay, I mean, I don't think
we're not looking at it. We're not looking at the
twenty twenty three Giants offensive line, which was one of

(56:02):
the worst things I've ever seen in my life. But
last week the Giants, I believe they've allowed the highest
of the second highest pressure rate in the league. It's
almost fifty percent. She splits six times. So if a
team's not blitzing you, you cannot allow that high of
a pressure. You cannot, and you cannot allow the type

(56:24):
of pressure up the middle. And this goes back to
what Baldy sent to me. He goes the Chargers, in
his opinion, and no one watches the line more than
he does, and he watches all the teams. And he
told me, I can say this on the air, so
I'm gonna say it. They might have the best defensive
tackle rotation in the league. He said, tire tarts killing people.
Jamari Caldwell, who we talked about during the draft this year,

(56:46):
really big guy, very physical, they said he and this
is a quote I have a great deal of respect
for Quinn minors, who might be the best Garden football
right now. And he said those guys gave him all
sorts of trouble last week, so keep that in mind.
And they have big edge like but Dupree is a
big edge. He's two seventy all right, tooy Polo two
is also a big edge. You know, these are not

(57:08):
small edge players. These are guys that will push the
pocket and get after you. They don't have those like
really small fast guys that will get up field, but
they have big guys that will crush and condense the pocket.
So we've talked about Jermaino. Lumore has been really good
this year. Yes, Andrew Thomas was great in his twenty
snaps last morning. Hopefully he gets up to fifty or

(57:30):
sixty year the whole game this week. But can that
interior of the Giants offensive line. And I don't care
how tall you are, interior pass rusher bothers.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
All quarterbacks absolutely, you know that, no for sure, So.

Speaker 3 (57:41):
You gotta do a good job against that interior chargers front.
It's funny. I even said to him, wild balld, do
you really think that highy of them? He goes, dude,
they've been awesome this year. Yeah, so something to keep
in mind.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
Okay, yeah, I pay attention to that. And listen, this
is the thing with the Giants. They talk about the spark,
and so I just want to see competitive physical football,
competitive physical football, competitive physical foot But that's why I
want to see for the Giants, right, And I think
it starts defensively, because when you're going against this kid,
you know, Herbert, that's been an all world type of guy.

(58:12):
And they've been talking about this offense and harball and
everything that they've been doing. It starts with the defense
go out there and making plays right away, stopping them
right away, getting into those second and longs yep, and
winning and getting into unmanageable third downs for offenses because
the Giants they're like knocking on the door to do that.
They're having success on first down some drives. Right. We
go back to the Dallas game, right before they completed

(58:34):
the long pass to ferguson that play before that was
a disruption. They got a PVU on that one, or
they hit that on that one. The Giants have been
flustering quarterbacks. Now they got to take advantage of it,
getting off the field on second and oh excuse me,
winning on second and long and getting off the field
on third down.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
All right, let's wrap things up. We start a couple
minutes late, so giving Wilson about ninety seconds here to
say a spiel of is. According to Pearson, his topic
is the usual.

Speaker 8 (59:01):
So Johnny ninety seconds, all RIGHTA.

Speaker 9 (59:07):
All right, listen Johnny, then real quick, you know you
my boy, and I love you.

Speaker 5 (59:10):
Don't go there.

Speaker 9 (59:11):
Don't go there and tell me that did Brian David
doesn't doesn't play in the field.

Speaker 5 (59:15):
Okay, that was the case.

Speaker 9 (59:17):
No head coaches were cast fire. It's impossible to lose
seventeen of twenty games in the NFL. It's impossible. This
is not Alabama against Temple. That's all you need to
know that. That's all you need to know right there.
And I'm done with talking about this head coach, and
I'm gonna hammer Johnny. What's ten minutes, ten seconds that
I have. I don't want to tell you, Johnny this,
because I love you. But I told you so. I

(59:38):
told you so in the summertime. Why are you bringing
this Russell Wilson, for he's done. Everybody in the NFL
told me, he's done.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
Okay, you.

Speaker 5 (59:48):
And why you told me?

Speaker 4 (59:49):
Johnny?

Speaker 9 (59:49):
You told me the worst lots of Wilson still better
than Daniel Jones. You're not looking too good.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
You're not looking to Russell right now? Is fourteenth in
the NFL and EPA per play.

Speaker 8 (01:00:00):
Just for the record, Jenny, Junny, you could giving him
all these numbers.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
Jenny, I know facts are a hard thing to handle. Wilson,
I know facts are tough.

Speaker 8 (01:00:08):
Bye bye bye, Johnny fanzom fans doom. We don't look
at all the papers.

Speaker 9 (01:00:12):
You have in front of you.

Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
He threw for four hundred and fifty yards two weeks ago.

Speaker 8 (01:00:17):
Bro, Jenny, are the Bears the Super Bowl contended teams?
It's Caleb Williams, the best quarterback Indiana.

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
No, the Cowboys defense st Do you know how many
times I've seen the last two years the Giants play
a defense that stinks but still not score any points. True,
I've seen it happen plenty of times.

Speaker 5 (01:00:35):
Listen.

Speaker 4 (01:00:36):
Listen to me.

Speaker 9 (01:00:38):
Cal Jones beat the La Rams in La.

Speaker 8 (01:00:41):
If I'm den Mara, I'm firing everybody. I mean, I'm
firing the kid that falls the towels in the Basketom wait.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
Wait, so you including us and that?

Speaker 7 (01:00:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
Parents to get persons out we're doing. Listen to me,
what would you do without us?

Speaker 9 (01:00:58):
They ramps and least four and no, and we are
oing four.

Speaker 8 (01:01:02):
I want someone fire, man. I don't care fire the
guy that cooks the hamburgers in the kitchen.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
Too much?

Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
Why you why you want to take people out?

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
Will come on, bro too much. I understand all of it,
even us, not the guys in the cafeteria.

Speaker 4 (01:01:19):
What are we doing.

Speaker 3 (01:01:20):
I don't want to get fired either, but.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
I understand because he talks to us. So if he's
mad at us, I get that. Come on, man, what
they do to him in the cafeteria, they're nothing but
sweet people over there.

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
Come on, they make our foods.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
I don't know what was he talking about. What it
was his point?

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
What was He's mad that Daniel Jones is doing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
Well, he's playing well.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
Good for him, and we're happy for him.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
Yeah we are. I respect him a lot. I have
a lot of respect for Daniel Jones. And and look,
it's not easy to do what he did and go
over there and and he's playing some good ball man,
you know, And and.

Speaker 3 (01:01:56):
Listen and again Wilson, by the way, and I made
this point a million times to you before they signed
Russell Wilson two months before the draft happened, right, and
know they even had Jackson are on the team when
they signed one.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
They can get a quarterback in correct, yep, correct? Yeah,
Like I said, I started the show saying that I
started the show saying that I think they did good.
I think they did good with everything they did with
the quarterback room since they signed Russell. Because you signed Russell,
you sign a backup. You draft. First of all, you
come back into the first round to get that fifth
year option for a quarterback that I think was underrated,

(01:02:31):
you know, because no one had him going top ten.
Everybody had your door going top ten. Right. Then you
you're able to get that fifth year option, and then
you allow Russell to go out there and play. You
make Dark the number two back in I guess late August,
and then it looks like Russell. You give Russe. I
think you gave Russell enough time to show what he had,

(01:02:53):
you know, and then to struggle at home. I think
they're doing everything that they're supposed to be doing.

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
That quarterback room in Dallas is Russell Wilson the quarterback
this week.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
Probably I think he is too. Probably you gotta win.

Speaker 5 (01:03:06):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
And it. But but wait though, But that's see, that's
the thing. I never want to absolve people from taking blame,
you know, Like I think, well, somebody said, it's not
on Russell, it is, you know why, because it's on
every one. You know, like you don't you don't get
you don't get bailed at because you played well, Like
it doesn't happen. Like even if I have fifteen tackles,

(01:03:30):
two sacks literally and we lost the game, what could
have done better to help my team? That's what it
comes down to. And and for me, Russell, I think
I think they just said, like we got this young kid.
Russell hasn't won games for us. Let's see what this
young kid has because we haven't won games even with
the magnificent performance from Russell Willis.

Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
I do wonder that obviously will never know. But if
they won the Dallas game, would they have made the
move this week? That's a good question.

Speaker 6 (01:03:55):
If Aubrey misses that field goal.

Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
Yeah, or what if all we missed the sixty four
yard pildy? You never get the overtime and he never
even throws the picket overtime.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
Yeah, you know what I mean, no, for real, But
that's different.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
It's like the butterfly.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
That's different.

Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
Like the butterfly fly, one little of that changes a
little bit, everything could changes. It is what it is,
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