Big Blue Kickoff Live 9/8 | Giants vs Commanders Review

John Schmeelk and Paul Dottino review the Giants game against the Commanders, discuss the Giants offense, and take calls from fans.

0:00 - Commanders review

21:20 - Calls

29:00 - Offensive line

40:40 - Giants offense

48:00 - Pass defense

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one nine three nine four five one three Paul twenty
one six Giants fault to the Commanders in Week one

(00:45):
and just when you look back at it, no touchdowns scored.
You're not gonna win many games doing that. O two
in the red zone, just touchdowns in the red zone,
just one field goal and two red zone appearances. You're
not gonna win many games doing that. Did not turn
the ball over, that was good, Yeah, but four sixteen

(01:05):
on third downs, you're not gonna win many games doing that.
Two hundred and thirty one total yards of offense, you're
not gonna win many games doing that, and I wish
I can come on here today folks and say, well, offensively,
if you just fix this one thing, you're gonna be fine.
This has plenty of blame to go around Paul just

(01:27):
to seem to out of sync for much of the game,
nobody I thought played at a particularly high level, and
just a lot of corrections and things to be better
at next week heading into Dallas.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
You know, we often as football people talk about every
game has a road to victory or a pathway to success.
Yesterday the Giants threw away the map.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
We oh, they lost it right?

Speaker 2 (01:52):
They didn't follow any of those roads, well, I think
they tried.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
They just kept hitting like potholes and construction, and a
lot of those things were you know, self inflicted things
and not things that even the commanders did.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Well. You know what's interesting, We were very much concerned,
obviously as football folks, thinking about Andrew Thomas, and is
Andrew Thomas's absence going to discombobulate the offensive line. Are
they gonna have trouble keeping Wilson up? Is this gonna
be a big impact, because we know when Thomas is
not in the line up, the Giants o line usually

(02:26):
doesn't play that well. But yet I think John, you
and I have not talked about the game yet this morning,
not at all, not at all, So folks, this is
totally on the improv. It was the interior of the
Giants offensive line that was more offensive to me than
the guys on the edge.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
I thought it was the bigger problem. I agree with you.
I think when you got to the fourth quarter and
the pass rush for the Commanders really got to get going,
Hudson had a couple of issues there, yea. And I
thought you did have some issues on games between Runyon
and Hudson in the first half of the game, on
or second and third quarter on some passing situations. But

(03:03):
for the most part, I agree the issues came in
the middle of the line. While by the way, whether
it was in the run game where there was a
lot of penetration where Tyland Tracy's trying to or cam'scattab
Who's trying to dodge guys a yard or two in
the backfield, or guys even if they weren't in Russell
Wilson's face, they were pushing the Giants offensive lineman into

(03:24):
his chest. And when you have a quarterback that's five
to eleven. It's gonna be very difficult for him to
survive and succeed with interior pressure. So overall, yes, Paul,
I agree with you.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
So you know, if you're going to start there, right,
the first thing you have to do is you've got
to get back to those three guys on the interior,
and you got to say, fellows.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
Look, and by the way I thought Schmids was was okay.
I thought he was probably the best of the three.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
He was better than the two guards. Yes, but that
doesn't say much.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
I didn't say it did.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah, So if you go, if you're gonna stick with
you know what you're trying to do. You want to
be balanced. You want to be able to run the ball.
You want Russell Wilson to be able to see through
an open window, to be able to operate and do
what he wants to do. If you're going to do that,
you absolutely positively have to get better play from the

(04:19):
three guys on the interior, whether or not it's them
or even if you decide you're gonna mix and match
and put other guys in whatever it is that you
want to do. This is not Andrew Thomas gets healthy
you plug him in at left tackle, and it's okay.
That's my point.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
I agree with you.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
I don't want anybody out there to start talking or
singing a song at all. Andrew Thomas is gonna get back,
and it's fine. That's that's the only point that I
really want to make you.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
Andrew Thomas would help, would have made things better. It
would help some maybe, but you still would have had
the same a lot of the same issues you had
beyond the issues up front. And look, then you get
into second and third and long and that's not a
situation you want to be in. I thought in the
second half again, because he had so much pressure inside it,
in his face, and he took a couple of big
hits on those free runners, on a couple of those

(05:08):
blitz where rust absolutely lit. I sure did and got
the ball out by the way he got rid of
the ball in those two plays, but he still got
hammered after the throw. I thought there were a couple
of clean pockets in the second half that he did
kind of run out of prematurely where maybe he would
a chance to get the those one play where Slayton
broke out deep open downfield on one and he had
already rolled out to the right where I didn't think

(05:28):
he had two on that play. There was another one
where I think he ran through the middle of the
line early when he didn't have to do so. I
thought there were a handful, maybe a little less than that,
of plays in the second half where you could tell
the attrition of the number of hits and the constant
pressure he felt earlier in the game. I thought, and again,
we've seen this other quarterbacks before. Impacted him late in
the game, and Paul, I think you were on with me.

(05:51):
I went through those Warren sharp numbers in the summer
for the people that listened to Marshall all year round.
Russell Wilson was a top ten EPA per play quarterback
last year and he is kept clean. He was a
I think bottom four or five quarterback last year EPA
p play wise. This is on early downs when he
faced pressure. It is essential, and again especially the interior pressure,

(06:12):
because he's a shorter quarterback. If you want him to
be effective, you're going to have to keep him clean.
That's just the way it is. And the Giants, for
the most part, were not able to do that in
Week number one.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
And you know, The funny part about this is, folks,
we say pressure, right, that's not an indictment on his
ability to process or to handle that situation when we
say pressure, especially from the front. It's just simple physics.
He can't always see, John.

Speaker 4 (06:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
And by the way, I don't mean he just can't see.
And I don't mean just if people understand most people do.
I don't mean like feeling mental pressure. I mean physical
pass rushers being close to him. That's what I mean
by clogging.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
Up your vision, not being able to give you what
you need to see and make the plays. Now you
can roll out, you can use the moving pockets. There
are certain things, and quite frankly, earlier in his career
there was a lot of that in Seattle, and even
during the course of time when they didn't always have
Marshawn Lynch churning out yardage, they did have to do

(07:17):
a lot of that because he was still taking forty
sacks a year. As you have told us many times,
by looking at his numbers, John, he does get a lot,
does get hit a lot. He does to his credit,
and I mean this to Russell Wilson's credit. You're looking
for silver lining here, Russell Wilson came out of the
game healthy, came out of the game without any turnovers,

(07:40):
still has his energy and his positive attitude which he
always seems to have, and I love that. How can
you not. But he never let the game get out
of control because they were really on the wrong side
of a lopsided contest, and yet it was only fourteen
to six in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
And two other things. One, I'm not trying to tell
you that Russell Wilson played a great game either and
played great. No, but he had a couple of throws
that could have been better. But he had again no, No,
he did not collapse. And by the way, I know
we all talk about Russell Wilson take sacks and holds
the ball PFF this week thirteenth in the league. And
average time to throw two point seven six seconds. That

(08:20):
is not a high average time to think, that is
not a high average time to throw.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
And you know what, his elusiveness was pretty good considering
some of the guys in his face. Correct, he did
a pretty good job at getting out in time. And
there were a couple of plays too where he was
not helped by drops. Again, players on the team running
backs tight ends and wide receivers all three. No doubt
they did not get help there.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
And you know you talk about keeping the game close, Paul,
and I thought, and I'll start with the positive. I
thought the Giants defense played better in the second half.
They forced three legitimate stops on the Commanders on their
first three drives of the second half. I don't think
they were gifted anything on those three drives, but this
game legitimately could have been twenty eight to three at halftime.

(09:05):
Jayden Daniels did not play well throwing the ball. He
was throwing the wall behind guys. He missed Harry McLaurin
wide open on a deep ball that could have went
for a touchdown. Zach Ertz drops two passes over the middle.
Jalen Lane dropped the pass over the middle. I think
Noah Brown, if I'm Deebo dropped the high one over
the middle. I think Noah Brown might have dropped one two.
They had five or six drops the Commander, so they

(09:28):
could have had a couple other big plays in that
first half that could have went for scores. Now again,
the defense settled down. To their credit, they put a
lot better in the second half, but they're lucky this
game wasn't at a hand at halftime.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
Well, they were extremely fortunate to get the ten second
runoff at the end of the first talk too, which
in itself was three points for sure. You know, I think, folks,
what really gets to me? And again, it was clear
from the get go Washington was heavily outplaying the Giants
throughout the course of the day. That was obvious. We're

(10:00):
watching the game and we could see that happening. But
what bothers me, to be honest with you, it's fourteen
to three at halftime, and there are two particular parts
to this game that really kind of really punched me
in the stone.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
Well, you get the third quarter kickoff, you're down fourteen
to three, You got the opportunity to regroup. You go
into the locker room, and you have a chance to
catch your breath and say, you know what, we didn't
play a good first half of football, and it's only
fourteen to three. We just escaped without them scoring at
the end of the second quarter, and we get the

(10:36):
ball and what happens. First down pass to neighbors for
a first down.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
Good play, get it out of his hands quickly, And
I'm thinking of myself, target's your best player.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
Let's go, maybe we got a game.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
Those are the types of passes that they were completing
on their long drive in the end of the first quarter,
on their really one successful drive. And then what do
you get?

Speaker 2 (10:56):
Tracy for six? Good, Tracy for none? And then so
it becomes a three and out. After the initial first
down play, they punt the ball and it's like, okay,
wait a minute, this was your chance to get some
spark going now.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
Well, then on the next possession, Paul, the first play,
no gain on a run, the same thing.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Well, the Commanders they get the ball back and then
you're right, and what do they do on that second possession?
You're talking about three and out? Three and out. Wait
a minute, It's like, this was your chance to turn
the momentum. This was the opportunity right here in the
first part of that third quarter. It's fourteen to three,

(11:39):
and you've got a chance now to maybe spark something,
turn the momentum of the game and give yourselves a
chance because Washington has not run away with it. And
that was the first part. All right, here's the second
one that kills me.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
And by the way, can I just the one worth
them go go. Then they get Washington go three and
out again. Get the ball back, yes, and you have
a first intent of Washington's thirty three yard line. You
complete a fifteen yard pass to get it into the
red zone. It gets called back because of an offensive
holding penalty on James Hudson. That puts you in the
second and twenty and you eventually have to settle for

(12:16):
the Graham Gonneal fifty five yard field goal. Okay, So
now sorry, I didn't mean to go along, but not okay,
wanting to make the point that the defense did give
them another chance and.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
At least and at least they got some points, they
did get some prize.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
Right.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
So now it's fourteen to six at the end of
the third quarter, and John, I'm telling you, I'm thinking
of myself. This is that old thing that you always
hear from the football stages, who say, if you let
a team hang around long enough, maybe they'll bite you
in the butt, right, And I'm thinking, maybe the Giants
have some sharp teeth here. Maybe they can bite Washington

(12:49):
in the butt in the fourth quarter. And then what
happens in the fourth quarter. They get the ball to
midfield on their first possession of the fourth quarter. They
get it out to midfield, by the way.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
After another stop after that, Gonval and I'm like, all right,
this is this may be their last chance, right okay,
corral last chance, make a stand, get something out.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
Of it, turn it into something complimentary football. And what happens.
They get the touchback on the punt by Gillan. So
the Commanders take over at their twenty yard line and
they go nine plays, and they go from the twenty
yard line all the way down. Samuel's nineteen yard run
finishes it off touchdown. Nine plays, eighty yards and oh,

(13:36):
by the way, six of those nine plays were for
ten yards or more. That was the killer drive that
just split my guts open and poured it all on
the floor.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
Well, wow, that's graphic. I'm gonna go back to the
Giants drive before that, Paul, because my point at the
end of the third quarter started the fourth. The Giants
defense against their third stop of the second half. They
Giants get the ball, They're on twelve yard line. They
get a sixteen yard past the neighbors. Good route, little
stick route. Wilson is able to step into his throat
gets it to Neighbors on the perimeter. Then Russell Wilson

(14:10):
scrambles with fifteen yards. You gain thirty one yards in
two plays. You have it at the forty three yard line.
Wilson throws it in complete pass deep left tyrone. Tracy
catches a short pass for six yards, and then third
and four and midfield. Wilson hits Tracy about two yards
down the field. Tracy catches it. Louvu steps I'm sorry,
Reeve steps in there, knocks the ball loose. They call

(14:31):
it incomplete. Yes, even if he's short there, but he
holds onto the ball. It's gonna be fourth and maybe
two yards at the commander's forty nine yard line.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
You're going for it. You might.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
You're not going it on a fourth and four, but
on fourth and two or fourth and one and a
half you might.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
Playing field position. I want to stick them back.

Speaker 3 (14:50):
I'm not doing it, but the case might be you're
eliminating the option. Yes, sure, right, And I don't have
to look again where exactly Tracy had it, but I
think it would have been about a two or two
and a half yard game on third and one and
a half, a fourth and one and a half, you
can go for that fourth and fourths a little bit tougher.
So it's just just little things all throughout this game.

(15:12):
The offense again, they just you know, Neighbors had a
chance to make a contested catch on the sideline that
went through his hands. He couldn't made the catch. People
getting on him on the ball in the end zone
on the drive with the Giants had those seventh no, no,
not the one in the corner on the corner on
the first driveway the seven chances in goal to go
on the fourth down play where there was called for

(15:34):
a defense, I think that was the illegal hands to
the face penalty where he kind of hit Neighbors going
back towards the middle. I looked at it on tape
a few times. I would not consider that a drop.
I think the defensive back got his hand on the ball.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
I did not charge.

Speaker 3 (15:48):
Could he have maybe caught it, Yes, it would have
been a really, really really good catch. So I'm not
gonna get it on that one.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
I did not charge him either.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
But like on the final drive and Ano, the game
was kind of over at that point. Can one of
the Robinson make the diving that hit them right in
the hands, and then can Robinson not fall down after
he catches the little wheel rat on the left sideline.
He caught it and he got a nice one eighteen
twenty yard game. But if he keeps his feet, he
could run forty yards for a touchdown on that play.
So again, it's an again, I thought on the Robinson

(16:16):
actually played a really good game. He had a couple
key third down conversions early, so I'm not trying to
pick on him, But just a lot of guys had
chances to make plays in this game, whether it was
the quarterback, the wide receivers, Theo Johnson had a drop on.
Neo Johnson had two drop sorry, had one of the
first half, one of the second on short passes into
the flat area, and guys had chances to make plays.

(16:36):
I mentioned the Tracy play where he could't hold onto
the ball. Talk about the offensive line issues. Guys had
chances to make players on offense to keep them in
this game and win this game, and just nobody could
make that play when they needed it in big spots.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
Now, it would have been worse had Robinson held onto
that ball because there was an legal formation called on
the Giants against Leminor, So had Robinson held onto that
ball for the first down, you're talking about the third
down and inches at the forty.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
Four No, I was, wait, which play you're talking about?

Speaker 2 (17:09):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (17:09):
I was talking about the final drive when he was
when deep down the right sideline had a potential diving
catch and he couldn't come up with it. That was
the play I was talking about. It. It was three
third and one, six and one to go on the
fourth quarter. That's the play I was talking about. Right, Oh,
you're right, that wasn't illegal formation on luminar. I take
it back, You're right, that was right. So he makes

(17:29):
that play.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Yes, you're you're gonna be kicking yourself on the head, like, oh, taking.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
It back, You're right. It's a good point. They ended
up accessing the penalty anyway, and that's when he caught
the wheel right on the final on the next play,
which again I thought he should have kept his feet
on that play and could have potentially kept running.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
So basically, folks, what we've told you is that the
Giants followed the exact roadmap that you need to follow
in terms of execution to lose a game. It's the
wrong map, that's what it was. It was the wrong map.

Speaker 3 (17:59):
Yeah, and look, Brian Burns played well. I thought he
did a good job. I thought containing Daniels on a
couple of those raad options. He had the two sacks.
Give Cordo Flock credit on his first sack, by the way,
because he's the one that blew up that screen pass
that forced Daniels to hold of the vile Burns to
get that sack. A couple of things in the defense,
Paul I thought there was just too much airspace a

(18:19):
lot of the time on some of these plays down
the field. A bunch of these, you know, in cutting routes, guys, giants,
defensive backs were just behind a little bit, you know, Deebo,
Samuel zach Ertz, Noah Brown, Jalen Lane. They all got
open on these deep incuts in the middle of the field.
So these are some of the things that you know,
they have to be a little bit better at, especially

(18:42):
next week against Ceedee Lamb and George Pickens. You're gonna
have to give a little less airspace to these guys
and look, I get.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
It, or be more physical in the first five yards. John, Well,
that's about. How about not giving them as many free releases.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
And I understand why you play a lot of zone
in this game because of Jade and daniels running ability.
You don't want to play man, you turn your back
Jade and Daniels runs for a billion yards. I get that,
But Carl Banks made this point on his podcast with
Bob Papa. You can play zone but still redirect guys
at the line of scriptge. Yeah, and there was not

(19:18):
enough of that.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
I agree. I did think that Brian Burns played a
very gritty game once again. He had a couple of
sacks in the second quarter. He did chase Daniels a
number of times.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
But I thought Burns was their best defensive player, without
a doubt.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
It was their best player period on either side of
the blunt. I agree with that Brian Burns played well yesterday.
Very frustrating for him for sure. And then the other
item that I really kind of was like, man, that's
something else. Abdul Carter. Three times he got around the
edge on the punt block unit, almost got two and
was able to get the one sandwiched in between where

(19:56):
he got his hand on it for a partially blocked punt.
You just set to a moment ago before we started. John,
They're gonna have to scheme against him. Now teams are
gonna have to be aware this guy his band around
the edge. It's not just for regular standard defense. He
is something else, getting after that kicker.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
No, he is, and he's very good at it. So
that is something teams will have to scheme against him
a little bit. But overall, just a disappointing performance. And
we're gonna get to your calls right now with two
A one nine three nine five one three. I took
calls for an hour yesterday on the postgame show. As
you imagine, people were not happy. I don't expect you
to be happy, but we're happy to talk about the
game and break things down for you. Brian Dable will

(20:36):
be speaking today one thirty. Right after the show, we
asked coach to move up for an hour. He did
not say yes to us, which is fine. I did
not actually ask that question.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
But I know you're a lot smarter than that.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
Yes, I am actually smarter than that. I'm not that smart.
I am that smart. Yes, correct, So hopefully.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
We'll hear something about McFadden's injury.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
Yes, the reports were yesterday that the X rays were negative.
He was on the sideline of put which is great.
Great news. Again that doesn't mean he's not gonna be
out for a while or what the injury is going
to be. But you know, you'd rather have negative X
rays than it show a fracture, so that that's a
good thing at least in the short term. And after
the game, Brian Dabele said this game was not a

(21:17):
Russell Wilson I have a lot of respect for us.
But he also did not commit to who the starting
quarterback was a week two. So we will see what
he says today. I'm sure he will be asked a question.
I would imagine he'll probably have an answered today, but
who knows, maybe not. If we get that before we
sign off, we will certainly let you know what Brian
Dable has to say about that. Two one nine, three,
nine four five one three. Folks, go subscribe to the

(21:38):
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some season preview, big picture stuff for the Giants. You
can still go back and listen if you like. Chris
Maddoor Russo was on on Saturday. That was just a
fun interview, like the laugh at Dog. He's kind of crazy,
you know, you know, Chris, he's great and he and
I had a lot of fun, So go check that out.
Last week our Brian Burns interview on Friday was also
very good and it still holds. I think it's holds

(22:00):
water even though they played the game ready for you guys.
Want to go check that out. Gihnts YouTube channel, giants app,
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All right, due one nine three nine four five one three.
I got some new names on this caller list that
gets me excited. Jonathan is in West Jester, Jonathan, what's
going on?

Speaker 4 (22:19):
How are you guys? Hi?

Speaker 3 (22:20):
It could be better? Jonathan? How about you?

Speaker 4 (22:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (22:22):
Same here a long time, they'll speak Good to speak
with you again. So two comments, one pertaining to the
offensive line and the other on the tight end position. So, Paul,
to your comment before about the interior offensive line, I
agree with you. I think it was a major issue. Yesterday.
I wanted to run a few ideas by you to

(22:44):
see if they could Maybe I wouldn't solve the problem,
but you know, address address the issue.

Speaker 4 (22:51):
Uh maybe.

Speaker 5 (22:53):
So I was surprised when the enactives list came out
yesterday and Evan Neil was on it. I was wondering
if maybe they could activate him for the Cowboys game
and at least use the mcguard on running plays in
the red zone or on third and short. And the
second one is in the preseason. I loved watching Chapman
come and you know, flatten guys when he was playing fullback.

(23:17):
I don't think they lose much in terms of run
defense by activating Chapman instead of maybe Davidson or Garcia. So,
you know, two small things that maybe could make a
difference on run plays. And then I wanted to get
your thoughts also on the tight end position. You know,
I was disappointed by the tight end play yesterday. I

(23:39):
thought THEO Johnson dropped two passes, you know that he
should have caught and Belgian didn't play.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
A big role.

Speaker 5 (23:47):
What about the idea of maybe re signing Dulsage from
the Dolphins practice squad. I feel like he has a
skill set that none of the other Giants tight ends
really have. You know, his great hands, he's able to
create separation over the middle of the field, and he
has a knack for making plays in the red zone.
I was watching the one of the preseason games and
you know, Phil Simms was talking about about, you know,

(24:08):
how long it's been since the Giants had a tight
end who could get over and over the middle of
the field like that. And Brady also yesterday was talking
about how when you're in the red zone you rely
in your backup tight end. So I'll hang up and
listen to your responses. Thanks guys.

Speaker 3 (24:23):
Thanks Jonathan.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
Can I take the later one first and then you
flop to the other one?

Speaker 3 (24:26):
How about I just say something very quickly and then
you can take almost Sean. I don't think Jonathan has
bad points. I think a lot of the stuff he
says makes logical sense. I also think it's the equivalency
of putting a band aid on a gaping chest wound
at this point, like, I don't think the things that
he talked about would have made a difference in what
happened yesterday.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
Yeah, I don't think so either, But I do want
to address the tight end situation. Yeah, Bellinger got involved
with a target late in the game and did catch
the ball inside the five.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
I believe actually thought that might have been Russell Wilson's
best thrower of the day. It was really right in
the nice little slant over the metals. Great there, it
was perfect.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
I don't know, I don't know exactly how they want
to delineate the snaps with the tight ends. You have
the numbers here for the snap counts.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
H Yathil Johnson fifty three STAPs seventy eight percent. That's
why I brought it up. Manhards eighteen snaps twenty six
percent and Bellinger fifteen snaps twenty two percent.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
Yeah, I personally would like to see Bellinger get some
more time because I do think that over the course
of his career with the Giants, he usually has been
very reliable catching the ball. Now, he's not as dynamic
or as athletic as Theo Johnson is, or don't said
George Fedoni, correct, But the one thing about Bellinger is
I will tell you, even though he had some inconsistencies

(25:41):
with his blocking and he had a call for a
few too many penalties, I understand that the one thing
about him is that usually when the ball is thrown
to him, he holds on. And you know, I wouldn't
have mind seeing him maybe getting a little more action,
a few more targets. But the problem is, when your
quarterback's running for his life, he doesn't have a lot
of chances to throw it to a lot of people,

(26:03):
and that's the one thing I would say, So, I
don't know that playing Bellinger a little bit more like
John said, it's a band aid over a gaping hole.
I don't know that that would have made a difference
in the game anyway, But I do appreciate your appreciation
for Bellinger's game. The other item I would simply address
in terms of Elijah Chapman. Look, the Giants obviously figured

(26:28):
that they wanted to bring Garcia up off the practice
squad because they feel he's a bigger guy, and I
know dra Patterson's likes him very much. The Giants had
a lot of trouble obviously yesterday dealing with the run game.
A lot of it was either Mistackles again or Jaden
Daniels also was very very good in running the football,
which we all know he has a capability of doing

(26:50):
on any given week. I don't know that Elijah Chapman
would have helped that at all. And what's he gonna
do get in the game for three snaps at fullback? John? Maybe?

Speaker 4 (27:02):
Maybe?

Speaker 2 (27:03):
I mean, even if you put Chapman up on the
active game day roster.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
Even as the quote full back, he's going.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
To play four snaps. How is that going to make
a difference either.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
I was gonna say I think Bellinger took what two
snaps at fullback? Yet yeah he did, it was to
at full back, So yeah, I agree with you, and
I don't. I don't think that would make that big
of a difference. And I don't think the receiving ability
of tight ends really you know, move the move the
needle a ton. To be honest with you, I don't
think that was the big issue yesterday. You know, having
dosage out there is not gonna help be in the

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run game.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
No, I mean, you know, besides, if you go when
you sign dulstage, now you got to get rid of
another body.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
Yeah, and if you if you want to, then they
kept Fidoni. So if you're gonna put an athletic tight end,
it's going to bed. You're not gonna let him go
and then bring in doc.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
That makes no sense. And Cordoni himself was scratched yesterday.

Speaker 3 (27:50):
Yes, what was there was a third point in there somewhere,
But don't Evan using Evan nel on rundowns. Look, I
think it paints you a pretty clear picture that he's
there fourth guard at this.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Point, that's what it looks like.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
So, and I don't think you're gonna start rotating offensive
lineman Again, you can't rotate players based on what type
of play you're gonna call, because that is then gonna
be a tell to the defense what you're going to do.
So I got where you're coming from. I just don't
see it happening.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
No. Now, if at some point over the course of time,
and we even said this before opening day, I had
this talk with Matt maybe we did too, that the
way Evaneil was progressing during training camp, if the arrow
continued to point up for him, he could potentially seize
one of the guard's jobs. Maybe a month or two

(28:38):
into the season. That was not out of the realm
of possibility. Is it still possible that as evan Neil
continues to work, maybe he can insert himself as a
potential substitute or potential guy you would want to switch in.
Maybe that can happen. Obviously it was not the case
though yesterday.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
No, he's not there yet. Let's go to LANs in Texas. Lance.
What's going on?

Speaker 6 (29:02):
Oh, hey, John Paul, thanks for taking my Paul great show.
I've been listening to a lot of analysis atuff the game,
and I think you guys are just nailing it, bringing
up the points about the offensive line and Russell Wilson's
size behind that line and you know, different things you're
talking about. Great job, Thank you. I wanted to talk

(29:25):
about the offensive line and John, I know you mentioned
that you like Schmidt and I think he's a disaster.
I watched him a lot.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
Oh no, no, no time outs. All I said is
that he played better than the two guards in this game.
That's all I said.

Speaker 6 (29:39):
Wow. Well, I mean it was damful, just pittiful. But
with Schmidt, I don't see any push on the Rotten zero,
and I see him getting pushed way back on past plays.
And I personally, right now, I think Van Roten is

(30:00):
a backup center. I'd move him over there. I'd bring
in Neil, and I know Neil's terrible on pass protection,
but and I'd bring in Scataboo. And in relation to Scataboo,
I mean when he came in on that first play
and just leveled that lifting linebacker and you know, Wilson
had a nice throw. The guy was wide open. It

(30:22):
was a big play, and I thought that was sensational
and then scataboo in the next play. I mean he
broke two tackles and then took another guy or two
to get him down. I thought, oh, you know what,
if nothing else, leave him back there with Wilson for
protection the block. And not only that, he is an

(30:43):
excellent receiver, and you know something, but that line's pitiful.
I mean, I don't think there's a starter on that
line right now, a legitimate starter.

Speaker 4 (30:56):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (30:57):
I blame Joe Shane for this. I think he's done
harub job of drafting across the board. I mean late
Neighbors fell into his lap?

Speaker 3 (31:06):
What do you mean fell when THEO was time? I Lands?
What does that mean? Fell into his lap? He was
there to be drafted.

Speaker 6 (31:12):
Well because Neighbors was, you know, one of the top
rated players. And I don't think there's a general manager
John that would have cast on him.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
There were Lands that they had a chance to roma.
Donza and elite. Neighbors was very close to people two
to each other on a lot of people's draft boards.
Some people had a Dons rank ahead of Neighbors on
their draft boards. So I don't think that was like
a slant to me. They outdo a quarter pick this
year was a lot easier than the neighbors last year
by miles.

Speaker 6 (31:40):
Okay, I'll conceive that point and and but uh, as
far as Carter goes, I did have a question about
about him. Could the Giants have used him to spy
uh the quarterback Daniels? Could they have used him to
spy Daniels who have been in a maneuver.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
Let me let me just say this to you. Once
Michael McFadden got injured, and thanks, Lance, appreciate that. The
very beginning of the game.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
Something I got Lance sent that to Texas spot the way,
But that wasn't him.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
I was disciplined once Michael McFadden got injured earlier in
the game. Now Darius Muissau had to come in and
play next to Okarake. Now, I don't want to disparage
Mussau in any way. Okay, he made this team. He's
a solid player. He's a really good kid. But Michael
McFadden has had the arrow pointing up ever since he

(32:31):
got here, had over one hundred tackles last year, played
extremely well, looked like you know, he was primed to
continue the ascending.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
Off of a career year.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
He is a very mobile linebacker more mobile than mwisou
you can, I think he is. You could do a
little bit more with him when you're trying to now
alter what you're trying to do. He's out of there, Muis,
how's in there? Now? You got to do some different things?
How are you gonna want to use Abdul Carter? If

(33:02):
Abdul Carter is in the game, it changes it changes
things a little bit. Now. I'm not telling you that's
why the Giants lost, so please nobody tweet me about that.
I'm not gonna suggest that at all, but there is
no doubt that if you take Carter and just spy
him on Daniels. Yeah, you know there were a few

(33:24):
times he was kind of pseudo spying him. But now
you're taking out too often your most athletic, one of
your more dangerous players out of your scheme.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
To me, BOBBYO. Caake is just as athletic in the
open field as Abdul Carter is, So just have him
spy him then, you know. I've talked about this with
multiple people last week, and I was never fully on
board with the whole spying Carter thing. That was not
my thing. I was not super excited about it. I
didn't think it made sense. I want Carter going after
the quarterback, not watching the quarterback and then reacting to him.

(33:59):
I want to use him for what he does best.
That doesn't mean you can't use it as a switch
up or things like that. Correct, But also, when you
play zone as much as the Giants, then the Giants
I'm taking a look at the numbers here, I have
him down for playing man according to PFF, on least
sixteen times during the game. If you're playing zone, you
don't use a spy. No point of playing zone is
that there's no spy because your players are all looking
at the quarterback anyways, you don't have to spy him.

(34:22):
And watching some of those Daniels scrambles, a lot of them, frankly,
they were to the perimeter. There weren't a lot of
like through the middle scrambles necessarily. So and look that's
just speed from Daniels beating people to the edge, these
four to four athlete He's really really fast. So look,
Daniels did hurt them. I will say this too, and
this is kind of a separate topic. I didn't think

(34:45):
the run defense was as poor as the final statistics
would indicate I'm not telling you it was good. But
if you look at the what it was two hundred
and twenty one total rushing yards the game plus and
guard garbage time, and then he had another eight yard
run after that, so that's that's fifty five yards on
the final drive that really didn't matter. And then of

(35:07):
daniel sixty eight rushing yards, what sixty fifty five were scrambles. Yeah,
So just in terms of design run plays, if you
take out the garbage time, you're already down to just
like one hundred and ten rushing yard. I mean, I'm sorry,
that's a little bit much. You would be down to
about no, yeah, about a hunt yeapcause you had about
fifty on the last drive on the Cross America garbage time,

(35:29):
and then another fifty worth of Daniel scrambling. So that's
about one hundred yards off. So if we had one
hundred and twenty yards of like real runs. But with
that said, if you look at the halftime stats, and
I'll bring that up very quickly here if I can
get to the right page quickly, the yards per carrying
numbers still were not good enough. In the first half.

(35:50):
Krossky merit was four carries twenty four yards and Echoler
was five carries twenty three yards. Six yards are carrying
four and a half yards per carry. So will again,
I don't think the rush defense was as bad as
he Oh my gosh, they gave up two hundred and
twenty yards might indicate it still was not good enough. No,
it was not, but I don't. To me, it was
how they covered was a much bigger reason why they

(36:11):
lost this game than how they defended the run. That's
just my personal opinion.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
Well, I agree with that, and I'm sorry to say
every player is going to need some time to scrape
off the rust. And I'm not gonna finger Dexter Lawrence
here for them losing this game. But he was not
his typical self.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
He was not his typical self, and.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
You know what his typical self is all world.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
And in the second half he did of some moments.
He still had some good plays in the run game
where he got inside and he made a couple of plays.
But you know, in the past, even double teams would
have trouble turning him in the run game and creating
a hole. That happened a couple of times. He did
not get when he had. The seldom times he got
a one on one in pass protection, it was not
the immediate domination that we had seen in the past.

(36:55):
He would still win, but it took a little bit
more time than maybe it would when he was at
his peak. So I'm with you. I think he did
not look like regular Dexter Lawrence.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
It wasn't as sharp as he usually is. Yeah, that's all.
But you know, again, the Avalanche show of so many
different things that the Giants were not doing well, you
combined it and this is what you get. I mean,
that's why I almost hate talking about the individual players
like we're doing here, because this was really a widespread situation.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
Well, and that's why I opened the show the way
I did. I think it was it was a team loss,
especially offense, without a doubt and I and look, guys,
just speaking generally, and you could apply this to any position.
You go through an entire offseason and evaluation process and
practices and OTA's and joint practices and preseason games, and

(37:49):
you evaluate these players and you decide who your best
players are going to be. I'm always leery of just
changing your mind after one game, right, I feel like
you need to have a little bit more of a
sample size. Guys have poor games, teams have poor games.
And I understand for fans this is a build up
of the last two seasons plus this one game. But

(38:11):
that's not how teams look at it, right.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
They can't.

Speaker 3 (38:15):
And I think you have to give this group another
shot here to roll out there and see how you do.
If you have multiple games where you come out you
have the same issues and the same results, then maybe
you can start talking about changes. I'm never a big
fan Paul after one game to say, all right, I
want to bench this guy. I want to change this guy.
I want to bring him out. I want to sign
off this guy's practice squad. That looks like panic. Right,

(38:36):
you don't want to just disregard all your prior decisions
and evaluations based off one performance in the first game
of the year. Or again, I say this a million times,
weird things happen in week one. So I think I
think you got to run this back a little bit.
That my drive fans nuts, And I'm sorry. You can
call up in yell me I apologize, but I think
that's kind of what you have to do here.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
You shouldn't have invited.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
Them not that people canna yell me anyway.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
That's why I don't mind.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
I don't mind being a punching bag. It's fight.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
No, you know, it's funny, John, because going in for
months talking about this schedule, the thought has always been
try to split the first two games.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
Yes, correct, And you can still do that, by the way.
And that's the point, right.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
The point is everything about yesterday was ugly. Everything about
yesterday was I don't I'm not gonna go these any
more objectives. It was just not good. Okay, how about that?
Just not good with you? Okay. But the point is,
if you come back and you beat Dallas, you get

(39:38):
the one in one that you've probably been asking for
for the last six months.

Speaker 3 (39:42):
And if you get the one in one coming home
against Kansas City, you feel good about.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
It, you know. And and I'm not a golfer, by
the way, Pearson, chime in on this, Please chime in
on this. So you double burge bogey the first hole,
but then all of a sudden, by the time you
get to the fifth hole, you realize you're at even
par and then you go on from there.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
Right, you nailed it, Paul, Well, I mean I think well, well, Pierce,
I think the bigger point is that if you have
one bad slice off the tea, you don't think about
redesigning your whole shot, your whole swing right now?

Speaker 2 (40:12):
You know? Ward fall around, Man, We're toss the entire
bag of clubs away, right, I've got to get new clubs.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
It wants me to clubs now. If you have a
couple of bad shots at the driving range before you start,
then you're just redesigning everything.

Speaker 7 (40:22):
I know a lot of people who just get new
clubs when things are on That what never really fixes anything?

Speaker 3 (40:27):
That is that surprise me? All right, let's go to
Joey and California. He's up next town, big. We'll kick
off live. Hi Joey.

Speaker 7 (40:34):
Hi, guys, how you doing.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
We're doing great, man, How are you well?

Speaker 7 (40:38):
A little disappointed?

Speaker 3 (40:39):
Yeah, understandable.

Speaker 7 (40:40):
Yesterday's game was unfortunate, but it wasn't so much that
we lost. I mean, I didn't really know how we
would fare against Washington. But still, the lack of touchdowns
is just killing me on this team. But yep, I'm
optimistic we could still get better next week. I know
it's Dallas, but I'm so optimistic about it.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
Hey, look, you're gonna have to score next week, Joey.
That's the thing. Dallas is going to put a point. Yeah,
they have too many good offensive players. They're going to
score twenty something points. They just are. That's when Dak
Prescott's healthy and City Lamb's healthy and they've George Pickens,
They're going to figure out a way to score twenty points.
You are going to have to do that if you
want to win.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
They're a top heavy team, what offense.

Speaker 7 (41:19):
So yeah, and honestly, like I they didn't look that
bad against Philly, so it's like, Okay, maybe we're sleeping
on them because I know they traded away Mica, but
you know, don't sleep I mean, if we have trouble
with Washington's interior defensive line, then this one's gonna be
a problem too. But you know, the start of the

(41:40):
season has always been a rough start for the Giants
in the last few years. So you know, take the
good with the bad in this game is what I say.
The good for me was, you know, offense didn't turn.

Speaker 6 (41:52):
The ball over.

Speaker 7 (41:53):
Yep, that's a little positive. It wasn't anything great, but
you know the bad was we still lost and couldn't
score touchdowns. But the one thing that bothers me is
after the game.

Speaker 3 (42:05):
Look.

Speaker 7 (42:06):
I don't mean to nitpick this, but Brian Dable, whenever
coaches say we got to look at the tape, I
want to ask you, guys. Is he saying we got
to look at the tape for the game we just lost,
or we got to look at the tape for Dallas
because that's our next opponent.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
No, well he's saying, and look, and I will. I
know it's frustrating as a fan to hear this is
you want answers right after the game. I get it.
But as someone that does go back and watch the
old twenty two every Monday morning, I know Paul does
the same. You do learn a lot of things from
watching the tape that you do not see during the game,
especially watching from the sideline where you know, we have

(42:43):
the advantage of seeing replays on TV. Dave will go
get an occasional replay on the video board and he'll
get some photos, you know, instead and stuff like that
that they send down to the sideline. But he really,
you really do need to look back and see what
happened on some of these plays before you start judging
individual performances. Joe, I gotta be honest with you. I've
left games before saying, boy, I really think this player

(43:04):
played poorly, and then I'll look at it again. I'm like,
you know what, it wasn't his fault on this play.
It wasn't his fault on that play. So that's what
he's talking about that you really do need to see
all twenty two players on the field at once in
that coaches film angle to really have a perfect feel
for especially how individuals did in any in particular game.

Speaker 7 (43:25):
Yeah, and one more thing and I'll let you guys
get talking back on the show into the next caller.
The one thing I can't stand right now is everybody,
the media, the fans are going, you know, Bench Russ,
start Dart. Look it's week one and we're coming off
a season where we had three wins last year and
this offensive line didn't do Russell any favors. So why

(43:49):
would you want to start Dart behind this offensive line
if Russell couldn't perform any better. I get, look, Russell's
been having a bad few years, but Dart's a rookie,
and you know, I don't think anybody could play well
behind this offensive line. Right now, So can we pump
the brakes on starting dark until at least week seven
or five or something. Look, I just I think we're

(44:11):
overreacting on it. That's all I wanted to say about it.
I still believe in Russell. Thank you guys, have a
good day.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
Thanks jolly, And look, I think we both agree with
you on that.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
Yeah, one hundred percent. I'm gonna say it again, if
you didn't catch your only part in the show. Russell
Wilson didn't play great by any stretch of the imagination,
but he played well enough as the game was scuffling
along that it was still only fourteen to six in
the fourth quarter.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
There was still only.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
One score behind. Russell Wilson did enough to make this
thing competitive, at least as much as it could possibly be.
I've you know again, I'm not gonna say he played great,
but I still think Russell Wilson was more positive than
negative in this game.

Speaker 3 (44:57):
Yeah, and look, I think I'll put in an even line.
I think it was fine. I think there were things
he could have done better, things that you know, he
also didn't get a lot of help, So that's kind
of how I'll sit it there. But to Coot Brian
Dable after the game, leaving the game. I'm not leaving
the game saying this game was on him and it
was his fun. And I thought that we'll see what
Brian Dable says when he speaks of the media one thirty.

(45:17):
I did not want to open the show with the
whole quarterback themes. That figured that would be all the
calls we would get. Paul and I were very clear
about this all offseason. You know how we feel about it,
you know what our thoughts are about on it. We
don't need to regurgitate those. We'll see what the coach
says at one thirty and we will go from there.
Joe one nine three nine four five one three Len
in Columbia, Maryland Highland.

Speaker 4 (45:35):
Hey, guys here, we are sorry you to.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
Sit through that yesterday in person. Were there, yeah, he went, oh.

Speaker 4 (45:41):
Yeah, okay, yeah I was there. I was there. Yeah, yeah,
well listen. Disappointed, obviously, I was feeling pretty good about
the team. Disappointed, but not terribly shocked. I mean, Washington
went to the NFC championship game last year. They're good team,
and they they were a good team. They got, you know,

(46:02):
terrific quarterback and you know, eighteen new players and they
filled in. There's some places where they were maybe a
little weak last year. You know, I John, the last
call we had last week, I don't know. Paul may
have been in on this. I said, the one thing

(46:22):
that worried me was the side and caality of Washington's
defensive front.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
No, they were I agree when they were more physical
than the Giants offensive line. I agree with that they
were more physical than the Giants offensive line of this game.
I don't disagree with that.

Speaker 4 (46:38):
Told me they're going to be all year. It's just
that's going to be an important part of the Commander's
efforts to get back to the championship game is going
to be the physically.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
A lot of people I thought.

Speaker 4 (46:53):
As a as a as a team, they played well
enough to win a division game at home, and you
can't ask for more than that. A couple of statistics
to points and numbers that may add to this thing
about the weakenss of the offensive line, particularly the interior.

(47:16):
The five defensive linemen that played for the Commanders yesterday
were credited with sixteen tackles. We had six extrarie, they
had two pass defense by the defensive line. I think
paying out both of them. They got two sacks. Every

(47:38):
offensive lineman that played got credited with a tackle for loss.
We we just couldn't contain them. No.

Speaker 3 (47:48):
Look, look, they were in the backfield way too often
that no one, no one would.

Speaker 4 (47:51):
Have Wilson there's been five to eleven for his whole
career and he's going to the Hall of Fame at
five eleven. Uh, they just they got pushed back in.
I mean, you know what else can you say? As
Paul said, I just said at the beginning of the show,

(48:11):
you know, you got to get those three guys and
say it's got to be better, or you've got to
go into what you got on the rest of the roster,
what you got on the practice squad, and try to
make it a little better. And I think it will
be this week. I don't think we'll see as physical
defensive front as we saw with Washington, and maybe things

(48:34):
will be a little better. It looks like that cornerback job.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
Is flots It certainly looks that way.

Speaker 4 (48:45):
Do they put Banks in flots started, as you know,
played the first two downs and then Banks came in
on third down. Next series, they worked it the same
way slowly but surely Banks was not playing, and I
thought there was one telling play. What moment in the game. Well,

(49:08):
Banks went on the field with the defense to start
a series and they pulled them back terrible.

Speaker 3 (49:16):
Banks played eleven snaps in the game, sixteen percent. Cordo
Flot played eighty four percent of the I'm sorry, Cordell
Flop played Yeah, eighty four percent of the snaps, fifty
fifty nine of them. And I thought Flower was he
had a little couple of rough spots early on, he
loed a couple guys that could opened on him. I
thought he actually made one really good play in the
run game on the right edge. He made a poor

(49:36):
play on the left edge near the goal line on
the crosskey merrit early touchdown. And again he made a
really good play blowing up that one screen on the
left side. So I thought there was some good and
some bad for a flot throughout the game.

Speaker 4 (49:47):
Well he got beat by that thirty five yard or
by a practice squad player. Yeah, called up the day before.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
That by more It was yeah. Again, that was one
of the rough moments earlier that I was talking about.

Speaker 4 (49:57):
Did Banks regress or has Flopped gotten better?

Speaker 3 (50:03):
Good? Question. I mean, remember Banks did I don't think
Banks missed around two to three weeks with an injury
in camp, and I think that really hurt him, set
him back. But I mean, clearly they did not see
enough from him to elevate him into that full time role.
I guess is how I would put it, right, Paul, I.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
Think Flott has certainly gotten better. I think last year
we saw a great improvement in him.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
Especially once he played outside almost exclusively.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
No surprise, to be honest with you. And he continued
to have a really, really good off season, and I
think that's why they continued to prod Banks with Flot,
with the threat that Flot could potentially, you know, jump
you if you don't watch it. But then when when
Banks went down and missed what the last two and

(50:53):
a half weeks I guess of camp. That's the worst timing.
I'm gonna tell you right now. Len You know this.
You've been watching the game a long time too. If
you're going to be unavailable, the worst time in the
world is right before opening day. That's almost assuredly going
to get your butt on the bench.

Speaker 4 (51:12):
Yeah, I thought that the one player that I referred
to with Banks where he came in and they pulled
them off the field.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
I'll go back and look for that. I don't remember sharing.

Speaker 4 (51:23):
Yeah, I don't remember how embarrassed. I mean, that's that's
just that's unbelievable. I don't have the breakdown in communication.
But you hate to see things like that. You know,
not that he's a better player than flood Is. I
just didn't like to see that. I don't I don't
have to be embarrassing for the guy. A couple of
couple of questions. You know, It's not the end of

(51:44):
the world, by the way, I mean, we're playing Dallas
next week. Look, I've been realistic all year, all year long.
I've been I've been telling you I hate to use this.
You know, guys, we're just the ways away from getting
to the playoff caliber team. We got to just know.
I don't know if Stavele's going to be there to
help us do that. I don't know who the quarterback

(52:05):
is going to be, probably dark, but it's it's I mean,
it's gonna take some time. This is you know, it's
it's not that good a rush inside linebacker. I hope
McFadden is okay. Maybe it loses a little bit of time.
I liked the kid who subbed form, but they went
right after him scored the touchdown. They went right after marself.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
They did.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
And it's funny when I know you probably didn't notice
this plum one. Have you noticed it on the coaches tape?
Did you notice? O Karaka noticed that matchup and tried
to get him and Nuben's switched before the play, but
they ran out of time.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
And then and then when when Ertz moved off to
the left, and then they snapped the ball. Ertz makes
this body move off to the outside and he does
it out and an In and moursun now knows he's
beaten on the inside slant move that Ertz makes and
O Kara Kay, who knew it was coming, was getting

(52:59):
over there. He he wanted to what he wanted to
do was to cut in front of Ertz and almost
bracket him, but he got there too late, and that's
why the ball came.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
And then nuban On baits the other tight end on
the other side of the field, and I think they
wanted to try to swap those two on that and
they just ran out of time before the snap to
do it.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
Oh yeah, I when I watched it this morning, it
wasn't any better than it was yesterday.

Speaker 4 (53:23):
Oh, Kirk was credited sixty Yes.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
I know. I thought he played pretty well.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
He was active, but he had he had to make
a lot of plays on his own. Unfortunately, Yeah, he did.

Speaker 4 (53:34):
He had to make a lot of them on his own.
Two good questions. I'll take him o, John knows one
of them. That's coming. What in the world was that
with glitting the punter.

Speaker 7 (53:44):
Kick off of this thought in the game.

Speaker 4 (53:47):
I couldn't believe it. I'm a hype. I'm ready to go,
and I look out here, I got my binoculars on
the eleven and I come to the kicker and it's
kill him and not not Graham Gano. What in the world?
And then another one? Hey, listen, guys, do we really
want to see one day return another kickoff? Well, the

(54:07):
guy's going to get hurt. He's gonna get hurt. Hey,
thanks for taking my call.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
Thanks letting. I'm never one to worry about it's what
it's hiding guys on on kicks. To be honest with you, No,
that means and that's the funny thing. And you know,
I just assume they use a Gill him on the
kickoff to protect Gano from himself, you know, trying to
tackle somebody or on after but then but then you
go kick later in the game. So I know David
was not asked that before the game. I'm curious what

(54:34):
his answer. I'm not sure he'll be asked.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
Might have been a strategic thing behind that too.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
Or it could have been like an equipment issue with
you know, or something like his shoelace broke or something
like that. They couldn't get the shoe switched out. It
could have been any number of things. So I don't
want to I don't want to guess what that what
that was. Let's go to coach Warvin in Delaware. Coach Warvin,
you'll wrap us up today. What's up, buddy? And doing okay?

Speaker 8 (54:57):
I know it was a tough one. I'm not I
didn't even get to see the second half. I'm at
North Carolina on business. But watching the first half, it
actually looked like we were getting bullied the whole time.
A lot of things that were happening out there. Looks
like the only way Washington was getting stopped in the

(55:18):
first half was they were stopping themselves. And I think
Paul said, it's one of you two said it that
that came looked like it could have been twenty eight
to three, and its definitely could have. It felt that
way the whole time, and watching that game and then
I was listening to it, it just felt like it

(55:39):
was an uphill battle down even though we were down
fourteen to six. I couldn't believe they were down fourteen six,
but it still appeared to be an uphill battle and
we're going to have to get it fixed. You guys
are right. I'd been through that.

Speaker 6 (55:56):
I had a year.

Speaker 8 (55:57):
Where I had a horrible first game and we actually
ended up in the championship game. It's just a regroup
and challenging your players during the week, especially after you
in their case, they see it on film. You got
to challenge you guys, and hopefully they'll stand up to it.

(56:20):
And the thing with Jackson Dark, I knew this was
coming as soon as I heard last week the depth chart.
I said, we're putting ourselves in a box here because
if you're going to move him to second string, and
I'm not saying he doesn't deserve it, because I'm not
in the practice. He's only one snap away. From playing anyway.

(56:44):
So as soon as I saw that, I said, this
is not a we I was with you guys in
the beginning. Let him sit and when we're out of it.
Week ten, week eleven, I don't care. Week fourteen, put
them in and i's see what we got going in
the next year. I get this feeling I don't know,

(57:07):
but I get to fill in. The clock is ticking
and he's on the verge of getting in the game.
People John Zay, Oh, Week five, Week seven, I'm with y'all,
with those people, but my gut tells me it's not
gonna matter. It looks like it may turn out to
be something like a Kansas City game. People saying the Saints.

(57:32):
It doesn't matter when you go in, even if it's
a tough team, you got to go in. And when
I was in the military, a guy told me one
day I was seventeen and this was doing the Iran
hostage time, and I got a little nervous, and he said,
if you scared by yourself a dog, And that was

(57:54):
the most painful thing I ever had somebody say to me.
I never heard it again in my whole life. And uh,
these guys are scared they better by themselves a dog
and we got to get back on track. And it
goes back to what I told you one time before, John,
you gotta have the three p's. You gotta you gotta prepare,

(58:18):
you gotta practice, and then you gotta perform. And that's
all I have.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
Guys, Thank you, coach, appreciate the call.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
John. I do want to go back to the to
the more catch. I had flat on the coverage there
and I just watched it on replay. Uh, Banks was
not even on the field on that play.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
No, I don't think anyone's I didn't say Banks something.

Speaker 4 (58:38):
No.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
I think I think lend no, no, no.

Speaker 3 (58:41):
He said flat.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
I think I'm sorry. I thought he said no.

Speaker 3 (58:46):
That was that was That was definitely a float on
that play. He really got turned a round on that play.
I think he thought Moore is going to run to
the post and end up running little flag round. So
so anyway, yep heres want to hang out to see
if the babe said something off the top here or
do you want to just rap? What do you want
to do? You want to hang out for a second?
All right, we can hang out for a second. We'll
see if we get any YouTube or rather we get

(59:06):
any word from Twitter about what coach Dable says on
his zoom call.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
I'm sure Dan Solomon is all over.

Speaker 3 (59:11):
Yeah, assuming he is still I'm sure whatever he says
about the quarterbacks, Paul Dan Salomon will not be the
only person that tweets about it. No, No, I promise
you that one quite quite.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
Frankly, I'm more concerned about McFadden's injury than I am
anything else.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
Because I don't have any doubt. You want to go
what's going on with quarterback? Poke your head out of
the door and see if this is imminent or not.
If it doesn't look like it is, we can rap
he's going right now, all right, So we should have
word momentarily on what Brian Dable says about the quarterback situation.
So we'll hang on there for a minute or two
and we will see exactly what he says. I figure
that's important enough for us to get some word on

(59:46):
and we can make little comments on it before we
wrap up tomorrow. It'll be have a cross and eye tomorrow.
I'm not mistaken, right Pierson on the Big Blue Kick
Off Live schedule. I believe, so it will be how
a eye tomorrow. We're gonna have Sean and Madeline coming
around on Wednesday. I can give you a oh, there's
a perfect time, the really little copy before we hear
what Brian Day a lot to say to the media.
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Of course, Giants take on the Cowboys. That game, believe
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In fact, it's almost always some kind of night game
or a four to twenty five or the reason it
is one o'clock. And Dan Duggan Dable will confirm that

(01:01:14):
Russell Wilson will start against the Cowboys next Sunday, which
again not surprised, but I just wanted to make sure
we got that from the horse's mouth before we wrapped
up today. So again, you do all these evaluations over
the course of the summer, pall you come up with
a plan to just remove yourself from that plan that
quickly after one game, I think is just bad process.

(01:01:37):
So stick with it, see what happens, see how the
game goes, and then we move on from there.

Speaker 6 (01:01:41):
You and Lance Tomorrow, by the way.

Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
Oh, me and Lance Tomorrow's Howard the next week. Howard's
next week?

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
All right?

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
So me and Lance Tomorrow, Well, it's in fairness, if
I didn't tell him which one it was, they might
not be able to tell them apart very similar. So
I'm happy we got that right. I need so people
were not confused to make it job. When I was
joined by Glance medal Oh, I needed a.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
Reason to crack a smile today.

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