Big Blue Kickoff Live 9/9 | Week One Takeaways

John Schmeelk and Lance Medow discuss some takeaways from week one, talk about the Giants run game, and take calls from fans.

0:00 - Commanders wrap up

19:00 - Calls

29:00 - Giants run game

43:00 - Giants roster

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(00:48):
Maybe it was a full Spanish sentence for you Pierson.
So we at least are the first part of the show.
We have a very enthusiastic call street and are ready
to take your calls at two A one nine three
nine four five one three Get the lie, give us
a call, talk some Giants football inside joke the first
one minute. I'm sure you guys love it or you don't.
I don't care. I enjoyed it, Lance, mat How are
you gonna understand those? They have no idea what I'm
talking about it? That's okay, Lance, How are you? I'm

(01:08):
doing well?

Speaker 5 (01:09):
Yeah, looking forward to getting into the thicke of things
once again after a rough Week one. But I think
there's some interesting things to at least delve into, as
well as some takeaways here moving forward.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
Unfortunately, Lance, we have been here before having this conversation.
The Giants have lost their home one opener every year
except twice dating back to twenty twelve, so the Giants
have dealt with this before. We purposely did not talk
about this a lot yesterday because Brian Dable spoke in
one thirty and we didn't have any news on it.
But we did find out yesterday that Jackson Dart will

(01:41):
remain the back out back up for the Giants in
week number two. Russell Wilson will remain the starter against
the Dallas Cowboys. It's something that Paw and I both
thought was gonna happen. It's something we both thought should happen.
If you go through an entire offseason with the plan
and you determine this is your best way forward. Just
changing that plan after one bad game and what's a
crazy week one in the National Football League is usually

(02:03):
not the prudent decision. I completely agree with you. That's
why I was not surprised at all.

Speaker 5 (02:07):
I would have been more surprised if he would have
said Jackson Darti is starting against the Dallas Cowboy.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
I was shocked he to say after the game that
Russell Wilson was starting against the Dallas Cowboys.

Speaker 5 (02:16):
I guess I think his point was you get overly
emotional sometimes after lawsuits fast, so he didn't want to
make any declarative statements, especially since he hadn't watched the film.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
Or whatever it may be. And by the way, I
get it, and by the way that that makes sense too,
I totally get that.

Speaker 6 (02:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:29):
So I think that's why he didn't necessarily come out
and say, hey guys, there's nothing to talk about Russell
Wilson as our starter and so forth, which was the
definitive statement he made all throughout the offseason. But I
want to pick you back off of the point you
just made.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
John.

Speaker 5 (02:42):
You got to backpedal here, and remember there's a reason
they brought Russell Wilson in that hasn't changed after.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
Just one game.

Speaker 5 (02:49):
Correct, they brought him in because he's a proven veteran quarterback.
And even if at the time they brought him in,
and remember they also added Jameis Winston, which means they
really wanted a lot more experience in the room. That
whatever was going to transpire through the draft, it doesn't
all of a sudden get accelerated simply because you had

(03:09):
a bad product in week one. Remember, it's about the
long term growth and development of Jackson Dart that still
remains the number one priority. It's not putting out twenty
eight points next week and thinking that you change the quarterback,
that one individual is going to move the team in
a different direction. I think anybody, whether you're biased or unbiased,

(03:32):
invested in the Giants or not, and you watch the
play in the trenches against the Commanders, Russell Wilson is
not a statue. Okay, Russell Wilson actually has mobility, and
he still had a hard time being comfortable enough to
survey the field and move on to his second read
or whatever it may be. What makes you think that
putting a younger, inexperienced quarterback who also has mobility is

(03:57):
just going to flip the switch.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
See, the only thing that might help that darts a
little bit taller, so maybe when he gets some pressure
in the space, you can see over those guys a
little bit more. But generally speaking, I'm ninety nine point
nine percent of the way with you. Yeah, And I
didn't think that.

Speaker 5 (04:09):
Although the Commanders they did a great job revamping their
defensive front, and they got some big guys and they
were very active, and I think dan Quinny company deserve
a lot of credit, But it wasn't to me, I
guess through my lens, John, it wasn't Russell Wilson having
trouble seeing down the field. It was guys just up
in his grill immediately, whether it was east, west, north,

(04:31):
south and so forth. But I think a lot of
people are also going to bring up what happened when
Pat Shermer was the head coach. If you recall Okay
and Eli Manning. The change was made relatively early in
this season, after the zero to two start and with
Daniel Jones correct starts against the Bucks. But see, there's
a distinct difference between that versus this, And the biggest

(04:54):
difference of all, John is the fact that the skill
set of Daniel Jones was very different than Eli Manning.
So if Pat Shermer is saying to himself, you know,
the offensive line is not great. We want guys that
can extend the play and so forth, Daniel offers you
that my point is other than youth, newness excitement from

(05:17):
a skill set position. I don't see a huge disparity
at this point between Dart and Wilson where you're going
to go in a completely different direction. And that's why
I wanted to bring up twenty nineteen in this time.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
Think it's a great point. I want to read the
quote from Darius Slayton yesterday and when he spoke to
the media, because I thought it was just common sense
times a thousand, and I thought it made a lot
of sense. All right, here's the question. I'll give you
the whole shebang here, just so we can this intrigue
it all throughout.

Speaker 5 (05:43):
Oh yeah, I hope you really embody Darius Slayton here
as you go through the play by play of the transcript,
should I do a different voice for then whatever you
want to take this, you know you have the freedom
in flexibility.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
I just the way you set the stage was quite
impressed Now, I don't know who asked this question, so
I'm not trying to imitate a media member. Don't try
to get me in trouble for trying to make fun
of somebody. So I'm just doing a random voice. I
don't know who asked this question. I don't remember from quarter. Look,
I'm sitting here waiting for the call, and you see
people apparently it's a reporter from the fifties, and you
see people on TV and all over social just saying,

(06:15):
you guys should start quarterback Jackson Dark. What do you
think when you hear people say that? Then again, I
think I actually now that I remember. I think it
was Tom Rock that asked that question. That is nothing
like what Tom Ross sounds anyway. So here is Darius
Layin's answer. I think that's the natural thing these days
in the sport of football, which is unfortunate at all
levels of football, even at the college level, the pro level,
is that everybody wants new as soon as they think

(06:37):
that things aren't going well. But the reality is is
that things take time and that everything is just a
nine to one to one situation. We have good coaches,
we have a good quarterback in Russell Wilson, and it's
one week. I think in the history of football, if
you kind of look at the history of football, it
hasn't always served people well to just throw people in
the fire, because I know that I wouldn't want to

(06:59):
be thrown in the fire life like that. Obviously, Jackson
believes in himself. He obviously believes he's a good football player.
We believe he's a good football player. But at the
same time, this league is hard. This league is tough,
and you see players get showed up and spit out
all the time by this league, which is something I
would never want to happen to him. So as all

(07:20):
that goes, like I said, he said, meaning coach table
Russ is our starter for however long, and he's playing,
and he's going to play good ball. We're going to
play good ball as an offense, and whenever Jackson's time comes,
it comes. Thought it was a great answer.

Speaker 5 (07:39):
Well, Darius is always somebody who thinks a lot before
he answers, and I think provides more insight than maybe
other players, not necessarily on this roster, but just if
you go around the league and he's been here, he's
experienced a lot of quarterback change and a lot of
coaching change. So I think when you go through the battlefields,
you gain perspective. But let's go a little bit off topic.

(08:02):
Put someone on a related note. Cam Ward made his
first career start for Tennessee against Denver on Sunday, and
it didn't necessarily go according to plan or it wasn't pretty.
So who's to say that just because you once again
throw in a player under circumstances where yeah, there's not
a lot of film, there's newness, but that doesn't mean
that everything is going to go in the complete opposite

(08:26):
direction of what happened with respect.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
To the Commanders.

Speaker 5 (08:29):
Plus, you're going up against a Dallas team that, although
they did lose their best defensive pass rusher in Micah Parsons,
defensive coordinators live to go up against inexperienced quarterbacks. Okay,
they would sign up for that. If you right now
had a conversation with Brian Schottenheimer and Matt eberflus John
and you said, if I gave you the Giants offense

(08:52):
with Russell Wilson at the controls or the Giants offense
with Jackson Dart at the controls, I would go down
the hypothetical road and say with com they would rather
take a rookie quarterback in his first career start and
try to throw exotic, different defensive schemes his way, then
go up against the polished quarterback that has been there
and done that. So you gotta be careful with what

(09:14):
you wish for. And I think Brian Dable also knows
that firsthand, having gone through a number of different offenses
and quarterbacks. And if you're gonna bring up Buffalo, okay,
the Josh Allen situation was very different too.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
This is why history is important.

Speaker 5 (09:27):
John to bring up Allen got in in week one
his rookie year because it was a lopsided affair, and
then there were injuries to other quarterbacks in that Buffalo room,
so the pathway for him to get on the field
changed because of circumstance. Russell Wilson right now is healthy
and it's got nothing to do with him not being

(09:48):
one hundred percent. So if that was here, it's a
little bit of a different story. But as long as
he's fully healthy and can operate the offense, I think
it is well well extreme to be campaigning for a
quarterback change after four quarters of football.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
Look there were some good quarterbacks that had bad week ones,
all right, Kyler Murray threw for one hundred and sixty
three yards. Baker Mayfield threw for one hundred and sixty
seven yards and only completed fifty three percent of his passes.
Now we have three touchdowns, made big plays at the
end to win the game. But overall, Lances, if I
told you Baker Mayfield fifty three percent one hundred and
sixty seven yards, that's not a good game for him. No,
not at all. A revamped offensive line two which didn't

(10:23):
necessarily help correct Bonix one hundred and seventy six yards.
He did not play well for the Broncos. Trevor Lawrence
one hundred and seventy eight yards.

Speaker 4 (10:29):
C J.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
Stroud one hundred and eighty eight yards. You know, Russell
Wilson finished with one hundred sixty eight yards. So Joe
Burrow too, you could have thrown it. Yeah, I mean, hey,
what negative yards in the fourth negative seventeen yards in
the fourth quarterback game or some ridiculous number like that
just killed my fantasy thing.

Speaker 5 (10:47):
You had to do it, I don't know. I was
the one that brought it up, so yeah, I'm not byball. No,
I'm just surprised that you buried the lead. But go ahead,
clearly it's on your mind. Oh no, yeah, clearly I've
moved on. It's been that quick.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
Oh man, let let's just feel it it. Unfortunately, this
stimonial on the ranks the top twenty five quarterback, so
I imagine Burrows below that.

Speaker 5 (11:05):
I was gonna say, yeah, he didn't even make your screen,
which just puts things further in perspective.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
On I'm gonna go from top twenty five to top
fifty here, Oh there we go. Oh yeah. I even
mentioned Tua fourteen to twenty three hundred and fourteen yards
to a fourteen of twenty three hundred and thirteen yards.
JJ McCarthy again made big plays at the end, just
one hundred and forty three yards. Sam Darnold just one
hundred and fifty yards. Bryce Young was brutal in that game,
one hundred and fifty four yards. So yeah, a lot
of quarterbacks and a lot of offenses looked bad, bad,

(11:32):
bad bad in week number one. It's not just Russell Wilson.
It's not just the Giants, you know, give them a chance.
In week number two, it could go better. Okay, be patient.
See what's gonna happen before we get to the calls.
We're gonna have Lance runaway. We're gonna have Lance. Uh

(11:54):
really where if I running? No, Pierson's back. What a relief. Yes,
thank the audience was dying to know that the show
can go on. Well, I'm sure the people that are
looking to call in an be very remember read a
social media outcry that Pearson was not doing we did.
I remember that. Yeah, that a wee can add absolutely.
So just give me your thumbnail playing card take on

(12:15):
the game. What you think happened, what needs to be better?
I mean, I don't think it's rocket science here, but
I at least want to give you a chance to
kind of give your take before we take calls. Sure, well, a.

Speaker 5 (12:24):
Few things come to mind, and I'm going to use
numbers and statistics to support my cause here. I think
the biggest killer of all on offense, and you could
say one, two turning points, however you want to spin
it was the inability for them to execute in the
red zone. I mean, that's the ball game right there,
especially since and I thought that the Commanders, even though
their offense left a lot of meat on the bone

(12:45):
by the way, Okay, Daniels and Daniels had Terry mclaurina
early in the game, wide open beat the Giants defense.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
That could have been ugly. Yep.

Speaker 5 (12:53):
So with all of that going wrong, you still felt
as if, you know, the Commanders were pulling away from
the Giants, but the score didn't reflect that. So that's
why it puts these red zone plays further onto the microscope.
And here's the numbers. Here's the way that I interpreted
twelve red zone plays they had. Okay, between those two possessions,
ten inside the Washington ten yard line. I'm not counting

(13:16):
the one that was wiped out by an illegal use
of the hands penalty against Washington, Okay, because that goes
down is no play essentially.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
Though it was still an opportunity to score. It was,
but you could use that if you.

Speaker 5 (13:27):
Want, but I'm just for context purposes. I'm not including that.
That's why I go from twelve to ten. And then
I'm not including no kicking the field goal because you're
taking your offense off the field. So there were ten
legitimate plays inside the ten yard line. This basic math people, Okay,
the fact that they weren't able to punch it in

(13:47):
is extremely troublesome, and red zone offense has been problematic, John,
even before Brian Davil came to town. Okay, this has
been an ongoing issue. But the root of the problem
is the inability to run the football in those tight spaces.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
Okay, they didn't try to run much of those, but
even in the few times they did, it did not go.
It did not go well. Correct.

Speaker 5 (14:11):
And even if you want to say you want to
run the football more, that's fine, that's a fair critique.
But the times that they ran, there was no push, John,
and there has to be pushed.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
Been like that way the whole game, no matter where
they ran.

Speaker 5 (14:22):
True, But I mean it's of utmost importance so that
you even at least move your body forward. Because Okay,
this goes back to basics, but I think it's worth
emphasizing again. When you were in the red zone, the defense,
by trade is on top of you. Okay, you no
longer have the whole field to operate, So if you
have dreams of grandeur, then you're just going to throw

(14:43):
fades and these glamorous pass plays. You're living in a
non realistic world. You have to be able to run
the football because that's the best way to operate in
tight spaces. And John, I've seen this story play out.
Forget the Giants, Dallas was miserable in two thous I
was at twenty four in the red zone because they
couldn't run the football. When Ben Roethlisberger and the Steelers, okay,

(15:05):
would move the football and then get in the red zone,
all of a sudden, it would disappear. Why because they
couldn't pound the football. So this has been problematic for
multiple franchises. But that was the glaring issue for the
Giants in game number one. And yes, it went well
beyond the red zone. Okay, you ran the ball for
a relatively high volume of plays. You only walked away

(15:27):
with seventy four. Russ was responsible for forty four. That
means your conventional backs had thirty rushing yards on fifteen garies.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
So those numbers. Is that not good? Let me go
check with the interpreter. I believe it's here. You check
that cap back to us. I still out.

Speaker 5 (15:44):
Yeah, I'll do those circumstances. So that was the issue
with respect to the offense. And look at how active
Washington's defense was, and this is why I'm going to
give credit to the other franchise.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
I just want to throw out some numbers.

Speaker 5 (15:59):
They had two sacks, they had eight quarterback hits, which
to me is even more telling, seven tackles for loss,
six passes defense, and then of course the limited rushing numbers.
Then you look at Washington's offense, and I mentioned they
I would say played an incomplete game, despite the fact
that they put together three good touchdown drives.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
I did some tallying. I want to read you through, John.
These were second and third and long downs that the
commanders had throughout the game. Okay, they had a second
and sixteen, they had a second and nineteen, they had
a second and ten at third and twelve, a second
and ten at third and eleven, a second and seventeen,
and a second and fifteen. Now that's a high volume
of plays where you would say, what good for the

(16:41):
Giants defense? Right when you have a million penalties and
you're the commander, that's how you get into those situations.

Speaker 5 (16:45):
But you're gonna take that if you're the Giants defense, Oh,
you think you've put the offense.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
In a precarious spot.

Speaker 5 (16:51):
And then you look at second and sixteen, Washington picked
up sixteen yards on the second and nineteen thirteen yards
second and ten eleven yards third and twelve a twenty
one yard gain second and ten a nine yard game
third and eleven ten yards second in seventeen twelve second
and fifteen fifteen yards. So a few of them they
converted and then the others they set up either manageable

(17:14):
third downs or they gave Dan Quinn an opportunity to
debate do I keep my offense on the field for
a fourth down or do we bring out the punting unit.
That is the problematic area that I saw out of
Week one for the defensive side. And Washington also had
a very good day on the ground, which was something
we talked about in the off season. Had to be

(17:36):
cleaned up. And we know the Commanders are going to
throw a multitude of different backs with different styles. But
even if you want to say, well, the big run
for forty plus yards at the end padded the numbers,
I wouldn't go so far it did.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
It did no, but there was toughness that Washington was
running with throughout the game. The way I put it
yesterday is that you with the Daniel scrambles and the
run at the end YEP, that definitely inflated the number.
That doesn't mean that the Giants rush defense was good.
It just means it maybe wasn't as bad as the
two hundred and twenty yards might indicate that it was.

Speaker 5 (18:09):
And that's fine. I guess I'm more of context. Like
I saw a few runs were Eckler, he'd pick up
a hard third hundred percent because it was so elusive.
The rush defense was not good enough one hundred percent,
and it was more of the timing as opposed to
the numbers. What do I always say about takeaways? Takeaways
are great. It's all about what you do with them.
And it's no different than penalties. Penalties we could sit
here till we're blue in the face, John, we can

(18:30):
over analyze them. It's when you pick up the penalty,
not the fact. Don't tell me your team at twelve penalties.
Tell me when those twelve occurred, which could have been
detrimental to the well being of your team. So I
think that, in summary, were the two main culprits on
offense and on defense that I saw.

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You're gonna leave us off today, Rich, how are you?

Speaker 6 (19:27):
Thank you?

Speaker 4 (19:27):
John?

Speaker 7 (19:28):
Oh, John? And Lance? Welcome back?

Speaker 3 (19:30):
Lance, what's up?

Speaker 7 (19:32):
Always enjoy your banter. I want your thoughts and honest thoughts.
And I realize you're hey about the Giants. Is there
an organizational problem in the personnel department?

Speaker 6 (19:43):
You are what your record is.

Speaker 7 (19:45):
But besides that, besides that in recent history, what's concerning
even more is the lack of competitive competitiveness. Now, I
just look at the I just look at the offensive
line report, the three guys that are in the middle
are black ross at best. And let's face it, Joe Shane,
even DG and Jerry Reese, they have tried to fix

(20:07):
this offensive line for ten years of whatever reason, either
through the draft or free agency.

Speaker 4 (20:13):
They had just not hit.

Speaker 7 (20:15):
So it's a tremendous trend with a very negative trend. Additionally,
Lance just pointed out why can't the Giants score in
the red zone because they can't lock. They can't they
have no push, they can't protect a quarterback. So anybody,
you know, with common sense, you build your teams to
the trenches. My concern is that personnel department. Joe Shane

(20:36):
revamped it.

Speaker 4 (20:37):
He brought in his guys.

Speaker 7 (20:39):
He got you know, rid of you know, antiquated technology
from gentlemen, and I know that, but prooson the pudding.
And it's very frustrating to see the same old stuff,
you know, as fans, and even more concerning is to
let the continued trend lack of competitiveness up. We didn't

(21:00):
expect a great season this year, but we as fans
and I'm sure you are, we were looking for an
increase in competitiveness. To why I want to get your
thoughts on that, No, right, Joe Richard.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
Fair question. Appreciate the call. The way I look at
it is pretty simple. The offensive line was not good
enough in Week one. Uh, they clearly did not meet expectations.
They did not play as well as I thought they
were gonna play. And great Van Rotin played pretty well
last year when he was on the field for the Giants.
He did not play well in that game in Week one.
Is that a side of things that comes I don't know.
I'm not gonna make a summary judgment of a player

(21:32):
that I saw play pretty well last year after one
game in twenty twenty five. John Runny and obviously had
a season cut short last year due to injury. You know,
he was fine last year, you know, John, Michael Schmidz.
We want to see take that next step. We've talked
about where he needs to improve and stay healthy and
stay healthy, specifically with the power and the strength. There

(21:53):
were too many times that he still kind of got
pushed back into the backfield in that game. And look,
you're not wrong. The Giants have had an offensive issue
going back to twenty thirteen, when Eli Manning started getting
the you know what beat out of him on a
regular basis, and they've tried a million different ways to
try to fix that situation. They tried drafting players, They've
tried bringing veterans. They've tried drafting players again, then they

(22:14):
tried bringing you veterans again. They've gone through cycles here.
This front office has tried to go about it more
through the veteran route than through the draft pick route,
though John Michael Schmid's a draft pick. Jermaina Luminor I
think has been a pretty big success at right tackle.
I think he's done an excellent job. And I've said
this in the offseason. I'll say it again. If they
want to give him a contract extension, I'm all for that.

(22:35):
I think he's been great. He's a good leader, he's
a good player, and look, you want to see the
rest of the guys do better, because especially with a
shorter quarterback like Russell Wilson, you need to have better
interior protection, and I think we saw that at times
last year. Was it consistent every game?

Speaker 2 (22:52):
No?

Speaker 3 (22:53):
Was it consistent enough in the running game every week?

Speaker 1 (22:55):
No?

Speaker 3 (22:55):
But again, once you're you know, have your backup quarterbacks
in teams are not gonna let you run the football
like That's just the way teams adjust their game plans. Lance.
We see this I always but people ask you about
fantasy football, and this is not you know, it's fantasy football.
I get it. But when people say, he John, how
to you figure out what running back to draft?

Speaker 2 (23:11):
I go.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
I find the running backs that have the best quarterbacks
because I think running backs are driven by the quarterback position,
because if teams have to respect the passing game, then
they're not gonna be able to stack the box against
the run. If a team doesn't and you know, respect
your quarterback, they're gonna stack the bocks against the run
and they're gonna make you throw the football. That's just
the way it goes, right. So I don't want to
go nuts about the end of last year because you know,

(23:33):
the Giants, once they moved on from Daniel Jones, they
were cycling through backup quarterbacks. It happens, but that group
needs to play better. And I like the way Joe
Shane evaluates players. I've been a big fan of their
draft classes, and I've said that on draft days. You
know before I've seen these guys at the field, and
you can go back and listen to what I've said

(23:55):
about the players the Giants have drafted before they drafted them,
so you can say, oh, smell, of course you like
the draft picks, you work for the team. While I
was talking about the players before the Giants drafted them.
I like the players, So I like the way this
team looks at players and evaluates them. Like even going
back to the John Michael Schmid's draft class Lance week,
we talked about this that offseason. We had fans calling
up one to draft him in the first round, and

(24:17):
me and you sat here and said, you don't really
want to draft the center that high. You could probably wait.
What did they do? They waited? They got him in
the second round. We all thought that was an excellent
value pick. Marcus Bowl this year. I had him as
a third round player. They got him in the fifth round.
So I feel like they've done well evaluating these players.
Rich to your point, and I'm not arguing yet, the
results have not been there yet, and you can't run

(24:38):
from results. They are what they are. But I do
believe in the way they look at players and evaluate them.
I think a lot of it makes sense. I think
they're very thorough. I think they do a good job.
But the results need to be better and we all
know that. Sorry for the long answer.

Speaker 5 (24:52):
In years past, I think because the last caller was
going into the archives a little bit bit. I think
you could also point to and this is not excuse,
this is just how things played out. Really, some of
these rookies and players not staying healthy I thought killed
the Giants offensive line. Are the chances of that group
being competitive? Because I mean every year, John, we've been

(25:13):
talking about the Giants up there in the most combinations
on the offensive line, and that's going to kill a team,
whether you think highly of the personnel or you have questions. Now,
what's different about Week one here is that there was continuity.
With the exception of Andrew Thomas. You know, most of
the guys were back that played last year, so you

(25:34):
would have thought, okay, there's familiarity, there's comfort there so forth.
But here's the other thing that I talk about every
single year, And I say this because there's a lot
of people that counsume football and they think that, well,
while your team appeared to get better on paper, everybody
else around you is getting worse or not doing anything.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
No, that was not the case. Everyone drafts and ads
players and You're right about that what Washington did, okay,
And that's why keep emphasizing that that franchise also deserves
a lot of credit, whether Giants fans want to hear
it or not. They went out and they brought in
brand new personnel to put with Deron Pain because the
Commanders could not stop the run last season. And this
was a team that the Giants saw two times. So

(26:15):
that's why this is important to highlight here, okay. And
they brought in Javon Kinlaw. He did a great job.
And they brought in Eddie Goldman, who was a massive
human being. And they brought in Dietrich Wise. I thought
Dietrich Wise was I thought he had the game of it.
I thought he was great that guy and not just
necessarily hitting the quarterback. And there was a play where
he forced Russell Wilson to have the side arm throw,
if you remember. And I believe he was also the
player that prevented him on the one of the play

(26:37):
actions and those red zones plays you were talking about
there and tracing the flat. I think he was the
one that cut that angle often did allow him to
throw that pass.

Speaker 5 (26:45):
So I mean, those are three guys that went On
on the team last year, not to mention Marshaon Latimore
who they acquired at the trade deadline last year, who
only played two games due to injury, and Von Miller,
by the way, von Milla was another one who.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
Was in the rotation.

Speaker 5 (26:56):
So the point is the Giants offensive line also saw
very new people that they were not exposed to last year.
This is once again, I can't emphasize this enough. This
is not an excuse. This is the reality of football.
So for those saying, oh, well, the Giants are just
rolling over everybody, they should be able to handle Washington,
they saw a completely new defensive front. Okay, and then

(27:19):
you add in Bobby Wagner and Frankie Luvo who were returning,
who were playing behind and they're goose guys. There were
solid players. So that Washington defense is very different and
very good. And I think that also was a big
reason why the Giants. You want to say it was
a rude awakening or something that they weren't exposed to
last season. However, once again you want to talk about it,

(27:42):
it's important to add that context. And I will say
this is going to get even more challenging though.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
Let's see what this commander's defense mostly against other teams too,
and I think that's gonna be key, right is this
one game? Are they really that good or that the
Giants does not play well? That's something that we have
to look at too.

Speaker 5 (27:55):
No, and that's fair. I just I guess the way
that I look at it is. And I even tweeted
about about this. There is an identity of dan Quinn's
defense throughout his history, which by the way, gave the
Giants a lot of trouble when he was in Dallas,
too correct, and there are certain stylistically speaking players that
are a great fit for him John And what I
saw yesterday, I saw those players assume what he wants

(28:19):
out of a unit. So that's why I feel pretty
good that this wasn't an outlier that we saw against
the Giants. It's gonna be an attitude and just a
philosophy that they're going to adopt moving forward. But in fairness,
nobody's saying that Washington's gonna get eight quarterback hits in
two sacks every single week. But I just think that
he's got better command of his roster than when he

(28:40):
walked in with Adam Peters. Remember they were inheriting everything
from the previous regime. Now you have an additional offseason,
you get to find tune things, and I think that's.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
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Speaker 2 (29:23):
I Andrew, Hey, guys, it's been a long time.

Speaker 4 (29:27):
I don't call him that much anymore, but when I do,
I do have something to say.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
Lancy did a great job of breaking this down. John,
you did a great job with Paul yesterday. I'm not
going to get into the tangibles about why fans are frustrated,
and it looks like the same old thing yet again.
Great segment earlier. You just covered all the offensive line issues.
I live down here in Virginia. Washington turned over their
roster and basically one year last year, all right, they

(29:55):
are a good team. We had the opportunity to hire
both those guys, didn't do it. Whatever, all right, they
have adults running the team now. I last time I
called in, my message was we're sick of this brand
of football. I'm not blaming one person. It's not Jones,
it's not coach whatever. There's an attitude problem on this team.

(30:19):
And we now have guys that showed you the spark,
like a Brandon Jacobs and a mad Bradshaw, or like
a Jeremy Shockey, and we're only seeing glimpses of these
guys play the game. They have the potential to be
tone setters, we're not maximizing it. We saw Elijah Chatman

(30:40):
as a fullback blow guys completely out of the play
multiple times. He wasn't elevated. What could he have done
with two snaps in the red zone that's fourteen points?

Speaker 3 (30:51):
Well, I mean well, I mean, Andrew, you don't know that.
You don't know if that would have turned into fourteen points.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
You know what I'm saying, though, Give him the opportunity.
The guy is a fire starter. He clearly wants to
bleed blue and show it for all the fans. We
want him to do that as fans. Cam Skataboo. He
had a Jeremy Shockey light play in his limited amount
of snaps. That guy could be a fire starter for

(31:15):
the entire organization going forward. Let's see it. I love
Juan Dell. He's getting suplexed out there. Man. We need
a better consistent third down player. We need an imposing
receiver out there. We need someone who can block better
if we're going to try to run the ball more. Okay,

(31:36):
we're not putting the right pieces together out there, and
it is the same old story. It doesn't look like
anything has changed, and it's very, very frustrating his fans
to get all psyched. He scene passes all preseason long,
great throw and deep balls and then have it not
show up on the open.

Speaker 5 (31:59):
Let me just jump in here, and I mean to
cut you off. It's why John and I we had
multiple shows during training camp, and we said stop putting
a lot of substance in preseason results.

Speaker 3 (32:10):
Okay, and listen, Andrew, as.

Speaker 5 (32:11):
You document, you've been watching football for some time, so
I mean you should learn that that you can't. I'm
not telling you not to get excited, I get it,
But to say that the throws were great when you're
going up against second and third tier players, it's just
it's not conducive to what week.

Speaker 3 (32:27):
One is all about.

Speaker 5 (32:28):
Week one is the men, okay, what we see in
training camp, not to be disrespectful, is the boys.

Speaker 3 (32:34):
Okay, and you grow up quickly.

Speaker 5 (32:36):
It's the same thing where we say guys are running
around in their underwear during the spring or at the combine,
Well how about put some pads on and then we see,
you know, what guys are all about. So I don't
put anything up high on a scale simply because it
looked visually optimistic out of training camp or preseason games.
I really don't think that told us much of anything

(32:58):
other than just evaluating some indiviual players and seeing maybe
where they fit in here moving forward.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
Well, you know, you might you might be right in
that preseason is really a lack of an indicator We
let everyone in points, right, and now we're in bottom
three and points. Yet again, you might have a point
in that preseason does not dictate what's going to happen
in the regular season, But the fans also have a point.
At what point do we expect to be able to

(33:26):
score the football? At what point do we expect to
have the kind of team that the last several head
coaches have said we were gonna.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
Have your edgews all the way back to the Ben
masks ed you. No one here has said that fans
should have be frustrated. We we we we share and
understand your frustration. Absolutely, we hear you. No argument.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
So all I'm saying is put the guys out there
that are going to provide that spark. Don't give us
this finesse non Giants football crap. We want to see
New York Giants championship level players attempting to make those
plays for this new regime. And you have them and

(34:06):
they're not being used well. And Carter Abdu Carter did
not play enough. Camp Stataboo did not play enough. We're
not attacking defenses at all, We're not doing anything. It
looks like we're basically it's a miracle. If we get
a first down, you can't go on seven from the
two yard line. You can't do that.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
No, Andrew, look, Andrew, look, we thank you for the call. Yeah, no,
one's disputing that. We get it, you Ape, We understand
the frustration. Total snaps, if you count special teams involved,
including Abdul, Carter played three fewer snaps than Brian Burns,
three fewer snaps. They're going to rotate the edge rushers more.

(34:53):
Brian Burns played sixty seven percent of the snaps. Keevon
Tibodall played seventy four percent of the snaps. Abdul Card
played fifty four percent of the snap. It was fifty
five total stats for Thibodeau, forty eight total snaps for Burns,
forty three total snaps for Carter. That doesn't surprise me.
Like if you'd have told me week one that Thibodeau
and Burns played more snaps than Abdul quarter, that would

(35:13):
not have surprised me in week one.

Speaker 5 (35:15):
I mean, he's a rookie, it's his first game. Plus
he also played five on special teams, which Gable pointed out,
a lot of you and I include the black punch
and I include the special teams.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
In my no, that's okay, But it's the first week.
Abdul Carter's gonna play plenty. Don't worry about that. He's
gonna be out there on the field. He's gonna get
plenty of snaps. But look, I don't think you're gonna
have those edg rushers playing eighty percent of the snaps.
They want to spread those out a little bit because
you want the guys fresh at the end of the game,
because in theory, if you want to lead, if you
have a lead, you want a good fourth quarter pass rush.

(35:46):
I guess my point, Andrew is that I don't think
the changes you're talking about changed the result of that
game in Week one. Like I don't think like if
Elijah Chapman's the full back, does that stop Marcus bow
from missing his blow, turning around and running into camp
scattabu with the goal line. I don't know if that
changes that. You know, camp Scattabuul did get some opportunities.

(36:08):
See what negative two rushing hearts whatever it was, Yeah,
I mean it wasn't much of anything, not to sagative three.
Not to say they could not provide a spark or
or they couldn't help, But that to me is not
and Wando Robinson the slot I thought he was arguably
the giants best receiver in that game. He had two
or three huge third down conversions on their long drive
that led to the field goal in the first half.

(36:30):
I get what you're saying. I'm just not sure the
solutions that you threw out there would actually fix the
problems that you're describing, which are all, by the way,
fair problems. No one's arguing with the problems this yue
is how do you fix it?

Speaker 5 (36:45):
Well, just to expand on what you were gonna say,
and I was gonna say this to the last caller,
his point was, you know, putting maybe tougher wide receivers
out on the field who could help with blocking.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
Who exactly did they not play? I mean probably week
one it would be Bo Collins, that would be the game.
But Collins is an undrafted rookie. I'm just used a
little on special I mean, let's not don't I'm not,
you know, pounding, but that I'm just the guy. Or
if you want to elevate, little Jordan Humphrey would be
the other, okay, guy, He's got a little bit more size.

Speaker 5 (37:13):
I get that, but hasn't necessarily had a track record
to be known as a blocker throughout his career, going
there inserting blocks on safeties and gunner Oshefsky is not
going there eye correct, so you're limited in terms of
your choices. I get the frustration, and frustration leads to
all right, let's look at the roster and see who
could be put in.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
But I don't see another wide receiver. Your best players
have to play. Yeah, sorry, I mean no, I mean
that's it.

Speaker 5 (37:38):
Well, and the other thing is and I'm gonna give
the coaching staff the benefit of the doubt here too,
which I think is important to understand going into week one.
They've been around these players all throughout camp in the meetings.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
You want to talk.

Speaker 5 (37:50):
About if we get to week eight or nine and
you want to call for a player to play a
little bit more because there's been enough of a sample
size in the regular season, I'll hear you out a
little bit more than a week or week six.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
So if you want to go earlier, give me a month.
But yeah, but week one.

Speaker 5 (38:04):
To argue that they don't know who is going to
perform at a high level based on what they've been
analyzing during camp and the preseason.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
I find that very hard to believe. And also knowing
not to overload a rookie like Skataboo and Abdul Carter
right out of the gates because they're still getting comfortable.
I don't look at that as something that would have
made a huge difference. If you would have given Skataboo
five more snaps, you would get in an Abdul Carter
eight more snaps. I mean, are we really talking about

(38:34):
we're flipping the script that much more. I don't see it,
whether it's a hypothetical conversation or a realistic conversation, I
just don't see it coming to fruition. And you beat
me to the punch when you were talking about preseason
I said this on the postgame show with Tiki on Sunday.
I did not say it yesterday, but I'll say it here.
I'm putting a moratorium or just putting an end to

(38:56):
the well in the preseason games they did this done, guys.
We said it at the time, and we said it
at the time for a reason because we believed it
to be true. Nothing that happens in preseason games are predictive.
Of success in the regular season. It's almost too completely

(39:17):
different sports. Now, can you judge how individual players might
do in certain situations, how they doing one on one
matchups against good players? Sure, the idea that team success
in preseason games matters has just been proven false a
million times over the years. Are there some cases or
teams where it has translated. Yes, But to call it

(39:38):
predictive new it is not.

Speaker 4 (39:42):
So.

Speaker 3 (39:42):
I know you guys got all excited about it. If
we get a call and it's like, well they did
this in the well in the preseason, they should be
doing it. Well, now it doesn't matter. It does not matter.
Most of the guys that were doing that in the
preseason aren't even out there on the field. Yeah, they're
not even on the roster anymore, or they're on practice squad. Well,
the guys that are facing ont on the roster or
the field either.

Speaker 5 (40:03):
So, and here's the other thing, and this is the
most critical aspect of everything when it comes to the preseason.
These teams are not game planning. Okay, when we hear
the term vanilla and I know it's cliche, well, it's true.
Nobody is staying up late in night saying how do
we stop Jackson Dart in the second quarter of preseason

(40:26):
game number two, so we don't look silly. Okay, they
want to throw these guys down into the deep end
of the pool.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
To see how they react. And by the way, the
whole gist of this, it's not just us saying this.
You know who else said this, Brian Dable. Yeah, after
preseason games in media availabilities during the week, he told
you the same thing. He told you the same thing.
So let's just keep that in mind as we move forward.

Speaker 5 (40:54):
Here one other things that I just wanted to say,
you know, just to further put a bow on this conversation.
It reminds me of preseason accomplishments and people that you
want to run around and get excited over it. And
that's fine to eat their own, but it's almost like
the equivalency of a participation trophy in Little League, okay,
which we live in a day in time, right, everybody's

(41:15):
got to go home with a trophy. Are you really
going to get that excited over a sixth or seventh
place finish in Little League? So why are we all
of a sudden campaigning that thirty points per game in
the preseason is an accomplishment that's going to mean something,
or that it automatically triggers something in the long run.
It's good in that moment to feel great. All right,
your team one, you like the results, what you sat

(41:37):
down and watched for three hours was interesting, was exciting.
That's fine, But then it should end the minute the
game concludes.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
It's over.

Speaker 5 (41:45):
Okay, it's a clean slate. It doesn't mean much of anything.
And that's why I associate the participation trophy. I think
people are trying.

Speaker 3 (41:52):
To hold onto things to make them feel good, but
it's this ultra reality and there's no truth behind it.
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(42:36):
So Wilson in Roxbury he called you bring him up?
He called our postgame show after the game on Sunday,
and Wilson, I don't want to dig into this because
we're a very limited time on the postgame show. How
do you know Tiki Barber? What's up? How do you
know Tiki Barber? Exactly? What did you work on his car?
Explain this to me please?

Speaker 4 (42:57):
I was. I was in the car wash business for
many years. Okay, So I had a car wash and
Rus seventeen in call Sets and Tek Keith Hamilton, Jason
see Horns. Uh, they were all my clients actually actually,
uh mister Mara, you know Wellington Maara, Uh, you know

(43:18):
he used to come in and you know, to the
car wash and I met his driver. Oh we go
way back by Tiki and I listen. Not only was
he a great player, he's actually a better person. I
mean we had lunch together many times.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
You know it was it went lunch with Barbara when
I asked.

Speaker 4 (43:38):
Him that question you know, because I have some some
history with him.

Speaker 5 (43:42):
You know, wait, hold on a minute, I gotta clarify this.
You have lunch with Tiki Barber, so you wash his
car and then he takes you off for lunch. I
have to understand the logistics.

Speaker 4 (43:54):
There was a pitch here next door to the car
where they have a sleae of teacher.

Speaker 5 (43:57):
Oh okay, see that's what context will and hates context.
He couldn't care less about context, Like he'll tell you,
oh yeah, you know, we drove ten miles away from
the car wash and we sat down and had a
four course one hundred.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
But they've also brought dessert. He paid for it.

Speaker 5 (44:12):
Meanwhile, he walks three steps in to get a slice,
and probably Wilson was like, you know, hovering over him
and you know, asking him seventy five different questions.

Speaker 4 (44:20):
No believe it or not. We never talked about football ever.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
I got to commend you for that. Wilson is good,
good self control on our part. I'm very impressed. Now,
why don't you follow that philosophy when it comes to
this program? Ever? Talking football? That's the better question. We
talk car wash.

Speaker 4 (44:40):
You have to separate business and you have to separate
business and boards. You know, I'm sure taking one about
football Wednesday.

Speaker 3 (44:48):
All right, So Wilson, Wilson, real quick, I have a
question for you. Like the undercoating and like the stuff
you put on the wheels to like prevent the rust.
Does that stuff workers at all? Nonsense?

Speaker 4 (44:58):
It does work down here. Work.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
Okay, I'm not I'm not in that.

Speaker 4 (45:02):
I'm not in that business anymore. But yes, all that
stuff does work, especially since your big time. I'm sure
you have a really.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
Expense Oh yes, my my four door twenty eighteen Honda
Civic definitely needs some waxing and some like a special
shine on my like factory rims. Trust me, Wilson's really
trying to kiss the you know what on this program.
Although he was, he was, He was uzy with sarcast
dot com. That are you kidding me?

Speaker 4 (45:31):
Hey, listen, I'm sure you you didn't think about the
show going this far off the rails.

Speaker 3 (45:36):
Oh this, I will said. I love this. Okay, anyway,
what do you have on the team? Well, when you call,
it's actually expected, but go ahead.

Speaker 4 (45:41):
Yes, listen side listen. Uh, you know I didn't want
to tell you this, but you know, a lot of
people right text me before I and ask Wilson, you
called in today. Hey, I'm gonna call today because they
like my craziness. So it's actually kind of can you.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
Give me all their numbers so I can consult and
advise them accordingly?

Speaker 4 (46:00):
I'm no, you know, but what you know what Johnny,
you are texting this is a little issue with Lance,
and I want to get to that before beautiful.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
All right, good, see this is good. In the post game,
I thought, Wilson, talk to t out of the way.
Now you get away the way again and let him
talk the Lance. Go ahead, Wilson, it's all you.

Speaker 4 (46:16):
Know, they have an issue with Lance or what he
told me last week? And I say last week or something, Well,
you told me that I put a lot of my
emotions into all the stuff that we remember that you
know that we that we are, you know we we
make decisions up on you know, with emotions. Sure, So
all the body all the bodies that are listening right now,

(46:38):
they told me to tell you this. When when I
go to somebody's house, right or they come to my
house and we go to my game room downstairs and
we're having a beer right length and we watch.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
Game Okay, the car wash business must be good.

Speaker 4 (46:50):
We don't tell each other. We don't tell each other. Hey,
don't worry about it. If we lose by thirty, by forty, guys,
don't worry about it, you know, because we have to
look at the big picture. No fan, Lance watches the
game like that. When we sit down in front of
the TV, we expect to win. Otherwise, why bother watching
the game?

Speaker 3 (47:10):
No, I completely understand that, and I'm not disputing that.
What I'm saying is is that when it rolls over
to you thinking that front office executives and coaches should
make decisions.

Speaker 5 (47:21):
With your emotion, That's where I can't relate. Okay, there's
a distinct difference between the two. You can feel that way,
and you're entitled to finish, but.

Speaker 3 (47:30):
Front office personnel and coaches cannot think like that because
then they would be making bad decisions with no reasoning
behind it. That's my point.

Speaker 4 (47:38):
Fine, okay, And and that's and and that's fair by Lance. Eventually,
fun officers and owners when there's like fy fy, people
understand in the middle of December, because you are you,
You're horrendous. Eventually, though, they have to take the bust
of the fans with the consideration because as much as

(48:02):
I said this before, and I'm gonna tell you and
I'm gonna get into the game real quick, uh this
there's only one problem that I had with all this stuff,
because whether they win the game or lost the game,
it's it's not relevant anymore. But do you know what
I do have a problem with the Johnny, is this
to remember the game was fourteen six, right, Yeah, but

(48:25):
it wasn't a close game, wasn't. I told you know
you remember it was like they were It was like
there were it was a Wednesday practice for Washington. It
didn't take the Giants seriously whatsoever. First all, they wanted
to play the game the right way to one would
have lost by thirty.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
It was also, Look, I think one thing that you
said was wrong. I think the Commanders took the game
very seriously, and they played very hard and and and
they and they took it seriously. But look, the Commanders
could have been up a lot more than they weren't
halftime between a couple of drop passes and and and
the misty pass that Lance mentioned from from andelsta McLaurin.
I agree with that, and I also agree that despite

(49:04):
the score being fourteen to six, you never got the
feeling or sense watching the game that it was as
close as the score indicated. I also, I think that's fair.

Speaker 5 (49:16):
I also agree with that, and I had even alluded
to that earlier when we were going over the game.

Speaker 3 (49:20):
Yeah, I would agree with he see Molten, We'll find
a lot of consensus here. I feel like this is
a bit a very productive phone call so far.

Speaker 4 (49:26):
But because Jenny, because jmmy listen, I don't want this
one thing that I don't want. I don't want all
the all the callers. You know, some colors they don't
like me, some colors like me. But at the end
of the day, it's all sports man, right, so we
just have me fun.

Speaker 3 (49:38):
Well, so we're here to have fun exactly right, exactly.

Speaker 4 (49:41):
But when I have to hear because I as much
as I love Glenn from Maryland, because he always has
my back, and years four and year four of this
head coach and this general manager, because now I hear
all summer that this is Joe Shank's roster, is Joe
Shane's vision. A year four of this head coach general
manager Campbell, I cannot hear Glenn tallin man, that we

(50:05):
are years away, that we weigh ways off for being competitive.
That cannot be that that cannot happen. I'm sorry if
that's the case, Johnny, and I don't want people think
that I I you know, because I don't know this
these individuals all I. At the end of the day,
this is a business. You are in the business of
winning football games. You could be the greatest guy in

(50:25):
the world, but if you don't win, you're gonna pay
the consequences because at the end of the day, you know,
you could be mother Duisa, but if you don't win games,
you're not going to.

Speaker 3 (50:34):
Be around one hundred percent. Correct, Thank you very much
for the cot. No, you're right.

Speaker 5 (50:41):
I don't know if Mother Teresa would make a good coach.
But that's a whole lot and I'm not even referencing
job security stuff. I'm not talking about that.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
The team has to look better than they did in
Week one the rest of the year like that can't continue.
Like everyone knows that, the coaches know that, Joe Shaye
knows that it scored six points. They just score touchdown.
It has to be better if you want to win
any games this year. It has to be better. It
has to be. You can't gain two hundred and thirty
yards of offense and score six points and no touchdowns.

(51:11):
I'm not breaking any news here. Brian Table knows this,
Joe Shade knows this, Mister Barren knows this. He's scored
six points and game two hundred and thirty yards. Yeah,
of course it has to get better. Oh crap, I mean,
come on, I'm not breaking any news here. Yeah, it's
gotta get better Wilson, regardless of what year it is
of the regime. But yeah, okay, this goes back to

(51:36):
Andrew and Virginia. I think it was as that wasn't
called Andrew and Virginia. I think, yeah, it looked way
too much like the last two years. When they average
sixteen and fifteen points per game, you're not gonna win
any games averaging sixteen and fifteen points per game. Everyone
here knows that. Brian Dable knows that. Russell Wilson knows
that the guys have been the lead for two decades,
three decades in Brian Dables case, I'm not saying anything

(51:59):
that's crazy. They know this, They know Wilson, trust me,
they know it's driving Brian dable nuts that they came
out and scored six points in that game. It's driving
them bonkers, trust me. And yeah, it's gotta get better,
of course it does. Otherwise, you know, you mentioned the
ownership has to take into consideration of their five people

(52:20):
in the building and they're playing terrible, losing games. Yeah,
do they care that there's five people in the building,
which is never gonna happen as Giant fans are awesome, Yeah,
they would care about that, but they came more about
the fact that the team's playing bad and they're losing games.
That's what matters. And if the product's bad to the
fact that the fans don't want to show up, that's
what matters, and that's what matters to Brian Damil and

(52:41):
that's what matters to Joe Shane. So yeah, Week one
was bad. The good news is you got sixteen more
of these games coming up, and you got another game
in the division coming up, and now in just five days,
right around the corner, here we go Dallas Cowboys. Is
it an easy game?

Speaker 4 (53:01):
No?

Speaker 3 (53:02):
Do you have to play a lot better? Yes? Are
they going to?

Speaker 4 (53:06):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
I would hope so, but I don't have a crystal
ball in front of me here, I don't know. My
head might look like one, but doesn't work that way.
So I don't know what else to say besides that, listen.

Speaker 5 (53:19):
Just to emphasize some of the points that you had
brought up, Brian Dable, He's been through this numerous times
throughout the course of his career. He's also seen a
lot of different developments with various different offenses. But I
think the point that I was emphasizing is he's not
staying up late at night and reading social media clippings

(53:41):
about whether or not there should be a change of
quarterback and that determining what he's going to implement entering
week two. I think that's where we're getting at that, Yes,
there is the business of football where there are economics
involved in fans support. We're not naive, but there has
to be a line drawn where you say, we had

(54:02):
a plan in the offseason. Okay, we invested in certain players,
and we're going to stick to that plan, and we're
not going to all of a sudden pull a one
eighty after one bad result.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
And I get it.

Speaker 5 (54:13):
The results are not encouraging, and we're not sitting here
and saying that it's going to get ten times better
next week, or saying that they're going to be able
to flip the switch, because it's hard to do that
in football, even though you play different opponents and results
can be different. But you've got a Dallas team that
you have to travel to this week that lost a
heartbreaker to Philadelphia that I thought looked a little bit better,

(54:36):
especially on defense than I anticipated without that pretty wid Yeah,
they played really good in the second half when they
kept Philadelphia in check, and their offense we expected with
Dak Back and now George Pickens, and I thought the
offensive line played a lot better in previous years. So
you know, this is a team that's just as irritated
and just as hungry because they lost their first game.
So there's no picnic when it comes to the division.

(54:58):
But it comes down to the simple philosophy of you
are not going to be competitive and you are not
going to put yourself in a position to win football
games when you don't win upfront on both sides of
the ball. Okay, it may be a boring answer to
a lot of you. It may not have the interest

(55:19):
and appeal because you want to hear more and you're
yearning four answers. But that's the bottom line. The Giants
did not win in the trenches against the Commanders, and
they're now going to go up against the team that
I thought played well in both of those areas. And
if we're gonna sit here from a week from now
going over this game and the results are similar, I

(55:40):
will guarantee you that you could point your finger at
play up front as a good indicator as to where
that game goes on Sunday.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
Four things. Run the ball, stop the run, protect your passer,
get their quarterback.

Speaker 6 (55:56):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (55:57):
If you could do three of those four things, you're
probably gonna win the darn game. We'll see if the
Giants can do that. Let's wrap things up with Richard
and Florida.

Speaker 6 (56:04):
Richard, what's going on, Hey guys, longtime Giant fan, long
time old guy. Couple of things.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
Would you yourself? How old are we talking about? Richard?

Speaker 6 (56:19):
I'm a young seventy four. Okay, he absolutely, but I
watched it with my father and well, anyway, I always
say that the worst thing, the only bad thing in
my personality is I'm a Giant fan. But but my
wife will always disagree with me. There's a lot more.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (56:39):
So, so here's the deal. Let's forget about the preseason,
because if I remember correctly, didn't we go to the
playoffs or super Bowl or something when we lost all
the games in preseason? I think that's number one. Yeah, yeah,
remember that. But the big, the big thing that you
just described to that and over the phone about the

(57:01):
offensive and defensive line. I think every football team tries
to do that. So here we are. Do we have
the personnel to do that? And if we do, do
we have the coaching to implement those new games, the
new offense, the new defense. If we don't have the
personnel means that the coaches and the staff didn't do

(57:25):
a good job picking the personnel. If we do have
the personnel, that means that the coaches aren't right and
the GM isn't right. I want to know what you
guys feel about that. And my last thing is my
case in point is Daniel Jones. I was like, get
rid of the guy. And I do always know in
back of my head he had no time for the ball.

(57:47):
And you guys know, if you don't have any time
for the ball, he can't he can't be a good
quarterback in the league. So I'd like you to mention,
why do you think that Daniel Jones had a good game?
And do you agree with me about the personnel versus
the coaching staff.

Speaker 3 (58:03):
No, I appreciate the call and look that that that
that's an eventually what you have to figure out, right,
like are the players you have here?

Speaker 4 (58:09):
Are?

Speaker 3 (58:09):
Are they good enough? And I think a lot of
them are, to be honest with you, they just have
to execute better. Then again, if they don't execute better,
then you get back what maybe they are as we thought.
So I think that's something that will review itself as
we go along. I do like Brian Dables's coaching staff,
Like I know, like Andre Patterson's a really good defensive
white coach.

Speaker 6 (58:26):
I know that he is.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
He's been doing this in this league and ad a
great job with the Vikings. I'm pretty darn Schor carn
Brisillo is a good offensive line coach. He you know,
he learned under Dante Starneka Scarnekie Patriots. Yeah, and he
did a really good job when he was in Vegas.
I'm pretty sure he's a darn good offensive coach and
he's responsible, I mean for Jermaine Illuminor's development. Right, that's
not for me. Mike Caffe has getting interviews from teams
in requests for interviews left and right, Like, I'm pretty

(58:48):
sure my Kafie is a good coach. So I can
keep going if you want. But look, this is something
that we're going to figure out this year, and we're
going to see how these players play and how they eventually,
you know, figure things out. By the way, John's were
one in three and two and two and their two
super Bowl years in the preseason, I look that up.
But at last I think that's something that's going to
review itself. And I think to sum this up, and
I think he the second point, which I'm forgetting now

(59:10):
Daniel Jones, Oh, who is the second point? And you
get ye, And I will get to that in a second,
But don't jump to conclusions after one week. Let's get
a little bit of a larger sample here, see what
we're looking at, and then we can start having some
of these conversations that fans want to have after week one.
And I get why you want to have them after
week one, because you're carrying over what you saw from

(59:31):
the last two years into this year because it looks
so similar. But it's a different team. You evaluate each
team one year at a time. This team is much
different than last year's team, all right, So you gotta
give it a little more time, gotta give it a
little more space. Some of the individual players you might
be firming harder opinions on. I understand that. And we'll
see how the next few weeks go, and we'll see
where we're at. And you want to add to that

(59:51):
before I.

Speaker 5 (59:51):
Get the only thing I wanted to add was, and
I mean, I'll say my opinion right now. When it
comes to at least the defensive front, I think the
Giants have talent there, okay, and in.

Speaker 3 (01:00:01):
The secondary for that matter, posting to Debo and Jamon
Holland and Tyler Nuban and I believe.

Speaker 5 (01:00:05):
In those guys, but I just want to focus on
the trenches, because that's what the caller's point was. I
do think they have the personnel, but when it comes
to teams that could get after the quarterback, and we
saw some flashes of that. Brian Burns had two really
nice plays, and Thibodeau and Abdul Carter, you know we're
closing in. But that's great if you can't stop the run, though,

(01:00:28):
it really eats away at the effectiveness of what those
guys do at pass n only.

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
If you can't get a lead and score offensively. It's
also you're limited too because now you're not in favorable
downs and distances to be effective.

Speaker 5 (01:00:40):
So the teams could run, run, play action and all
that stuff. But there are john We've seen this in
the NFL. There are a lot of teams that have
good defensive fronts, a lot of talent all pro guys
because they're so good at getting in the quarterbacks vicinity,
but teams run all over them. And I think there's
this touch and goal feel it out type of process
still go going on with this personnel grouping that is

(01:01:02):
talented as they are. The run defense is the one
facet that could hold them back if that doesn't get corrected,
which was the Achilles heel last season. And that's what
I think is hovering over that group and in the
offensive line. The guys have to come together and play better.

Speaker 3 (01:01:18):
I thought you made a lumour did a nice job,
and in Week one I thought he did a nice
job last year too, But the interior guys did not
played one week. One day they'd come out and do
better in week two because he can't block everybody.

Speaker 5 (01:01:27):
You know, it's the same thing. By the way, Andrew
Thomas didn't play, I don't want to hear. Well Andrew
Thomas comes back and everything's great. And Paul Ashley, that
was the first thing you said on the show yesterday,
and we did not consult, by the way, no, So
I don't want to insult him to get credit that
he's influencing what I have to say, and vice versa.

Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
And go ahead, and now really quickly on on the
Daniel Jones thing. One, it's week one against the Miami
team that looks like they could be in for a
very long season. Not pretty, so keep that in mind.
The opponent matters. We say that every week on this show.
And number two, look, he's got a really good offensive
line in front of him. Jonathan Teller is not Saquon Barkley,
but he's really good. And they have a pretty They
don't have a superstar wide receiver, but they have a

(01:02:03):
bunch of really good players, a tight end wide receiver
from the throw the ball too. So again, one week,
don't go nuts. I'm happy for Daniel, I'm rooting for him,
but let's not assume what he does in Week one
against the bad Dolphins or what looks like a bad
Dolphins team is gonna be indicative of what happens the
rest of the year.

Speaker 5 (01:02:19):
Listen, the Colts scored, I want to say, on every
single possession I've seven of so, I mean, that is
very impressive. I'm sure Shane Steikett is all smiles considering
he's feeling the pressure in year three. The other thing
that I would point out, which I think you were
hinting at, is with the way the Colts defense performed.
I mean, two en company, they would turn the bowl
over like crazy. That was very good favorable field positioning

(01:02:40):
for Daniel Jones in that offense, and to their credit,
they took advantage of it. But we've seen flashes from
Daniel Jones even previously.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
He's that individual game like this.

Speaker 5 (01:02:49):
I mean even with the he's at games, but he's
at games where you're like, wow, okay, you see that.
So I'd like to see a set of a season.
I'd like to see him stay healthy. I do think
there are plenty of examples of environment matters. You know
what offense they're in, who they're around, Clearly, the offensive line,
the wide receivers, the Michael Pittmans and Tyler Warren and

(01:03:12):
can those guys consistently make plays? And they did yesterday.
But let's not get ahead of ourselves to say that
Daniel Jones, now in Indianapolis is going to run away
with things We've Just like we're talking about the Giants,
you gotta see more. I think the same holds true
with DJ.

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