Ep. 712 - Legendary Cardinals wide receiver and Ring of Honor inductee Roy "Jet Stream" Green joined Paul Calvisi and Zach Gershman to talk about the upcoming NFL Draft, getting a shoutout at Patrick Peterson's retirement press conference, why P2 was so productive and what to expect from Marvin Harrison Jr. in his second season. Green, who played both defensive back and receiver early in his career, also offers his opinion on Colorado two-way star Travis Hunter and the challenges he may face in the NFL.
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Speaker 6 (01:02):
I'm gonna show a hands right off the top. I'm
not just talking about those of us here in the studio.
I'm really talking to the basin Onians. Even though even
though Ron Wolfley is not on this show. We'll get
to that in a minute. Who is so done with
the mock drafts and so ready for a real draft
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because we are t minus one week away. Bad news,
You're gonna have to pack some patience on draft night
because the Cardinals doubled their wind total, which means they're
gonna go from early in round one to the middle
of round one. But the good news is we are
all set to talk about it down the stretch. We
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and that means Paully pre draft pencil neck, Paul Calvic
over here, Zach Gershman over there filling in for Ron Wolfley.
I don't know how he got the night off. Maybe
the magnitude of the moment, Zach was too big for wolf.
You are ready to meet the moment?
Speaker 5 (01:59):
Oh, I am one hundred percent righty to meet the movement.
Maybe Wolf entered the transfer portal kind of like the
cal football team five running the transfer portal the last
forty eight seventy two hours, only one running back on
their roster. Right now, Paul, how are your cow Bears
doing it?
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (02:14):
It can always get worse. We lost our franchise quarterback
before the Bowl game. So it just continues to get
worse each and every day.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
The really, really.
Speaker 6 (02:23):
Good news right now is that we have maybe the
only guy on the planet who can relate to Travis Hunter.
Travis Hunter is going to be a top two, top
three pick. He doesn't even know what position he's going
to play yet. How many guys can relate to that?
How about the jet stream himself? Roy Green all time Cardinals,
Great in the house.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Welcome Roy, It's good to be here, my guys.
Speaker 6 (02:46):
Yes, we're gonna get into all that. By the way,
Bucky Brooks has him rated Travis Hunter as both his
number one corner and his number one receiver in this draft.
We'll get to that, but first let's hit zoom out
and just talk about this draft in general. How many
trades have been made so far in round one?
Speaker 5 (03:03):
Zach zero zero.
Speaker 6 (03:04):
Okay, so we know that that's one of the few knowns.
The unknown is exactly where the Cardinals are gonna end
up in number sixteen. A year ago, at this time
I think we all agreed to was probably gonna be
Marvin Harrison Junior. In Broy, you had a lot to
say about that and we're gonna get to that. But
here's the Cardinals GM right now. And the difference between
picking three or four the last couple of years and
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number sixteen, like it's gonna happen a week from tonight.
Speaker 9 (03:28):
Whether we're picking three or four like we have the
last two years to picking sixteen this year, we have
to be ready. We never know what's gonna happen draft night.
You know, it's you can sit there and say, oh,
this guy's not gonna be there, or hey, yeah, we
think this guy's definitely gonna be there, and we don't know.
We don't know, So the only way to be ready
for those situations is to do the work. All I
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know is that we have our board set and we
have the values that we think the players are and
so when it's our turn to pick, if they if
they say it's our turn, then we'll be ready to
pick a player.
Speaker 6 (03:57):
And there's at least a half dozen different positions that
have been mocked to the Cardinals so far. So I
think Mani's liking that sack because he's keeping everyone guessing
right now.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
Of course, but they're also guessing themselves because Mani said,
it's simply put you have to sit and wait, and
it's always hard to predict, especially when you're in the
middle of the draft order. We know this staff and
this team wants to be picking in the thirties because
that means that they're going further along in January and
into February. However, that's not the spot they're in. But
it's definitely a lot better than being at number four
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and then number three the year prior. With that being said, though,
as you mentioned, Paul, half a dozen positions wide receivers,
ed Rutgers, defensive tackles, cornerbacks, the whole gambit.
Speaker 6 (04:37):
Really, So the Cardinals went out, they really bolstered the
defensive line. They got Josh Sweat right, the big splash
signing the edge guy in free agency. I guess theoretically
Cardinals could go receiver Roy Green at number sixteen. I
am still shocked, though, how many different mock drafts have
Mani and JG going receiver at sixteen. Is a former
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receiver yourself? Are you buying that right now?
Speaker 10 (05:01):
No, No, not at all. You got who's probably going
to be the best for a long long time, you know,
within the league.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
That's how.
Speaker 10 (05:16):
I think how good he's going to be and when
you look at the Cardinals, you know McBride, it's the.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Best tight end in the league.
Speaker 10 (05:23):
There's if there's some help that you need, I don't
think there's anybody catching the balls and getting open because
you got two of the best.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
They can do it. Let's stop somebody. Please, Let's stop somebody.
Speaker 6 (05:34):
All right, all right, And you know what, I totally
agree with you. I do think they're building from the
inside out, and I do think it's gonna be O
line or D line. But you know, when it gets
to draft night, you never quite know. You gotta be ready.
What is the stats six Draft Day trade so far
by Monti assin Ford over the last two drafts, we're
talking the entirety of the drafts. We've seen deals in
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round one. Don't know if we're gonna see one this
year around, but we do know MANI is up prepared
for the moment himself.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
I love it.
Speaker 9 (06:04):
It's it's cool, it's uh that's you know, that's why
we work, uh work over a year for that night.
And uh no, I mean I got I got a
lot of help in there. A lot of guys that
have have done this a long time and and have
taken those calls and and really, uh you know, it's
taken in the information and it's it's weighing it and saying, hey,
if we if we do this, the opportunity costs of
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this trade is this player, but we pick up this
And I think it's just you know, I think we
have a sound process of how we go by uh,
you know, filtering through that information. But it is it's awesome.
Speaker 6 (06:36):
And if I remember right, because we were sitting in
there for the half hour press conference, Zach he sort
of does the math. You know, there's X number of
players that he covets that are worth that pick, and
if they're still on the board as the draft unfolds,
then okay, he'll stick and pick. If they're not, either
he'll make a move and go up or he'll trade
out and go down.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
If there's any general manager, I'm not concerned about having
the willingness to move around the draft board. It is Mania,
Austin Ford, because I mean to think about it, your
first draft as a general manager, and what do you do?
You good, trade from pick three all the way back
to pick twelve, and then you trade back up to
pick six to get Paris Johnson junior that takes something
from somebody that shows guts and somebody that really is
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willing to risk it all and Mania Austin Ford is
not afraid to do that. He joked a little bit
and said how sometimes he'll see the caller ID come
across the board and he'll know he's expecting a good call,
a bad call, or a ridiculous offer. It's going to
be one of the three. But I think something that
Johnathan Gannon discussed was you want to have good players.
You want to have good people first, good player second,
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and then the role being third, because when you look
at the guys you want to bring into the facility,
that's what it has to be. But their role could
very much change, very different from where it is on
April twenty fourth, the first night of the NFL Draft,
to what it might be in October December. Darius Robinson
was a guy that we were expecting to learn a
little bit behind Justin Jones and Balal Nichols, but all
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three end up getting hurt. And when he comes back
in towards the back end of the season, Darius Robinson
has a totally different rookie season than others.
Speaker 6 (08:05):
And I want to get your takeaways Other takeaways from
the pre draft press conference. Manei Osipor Jonathan gannon Roy
Green tell me how important is the person aspect of
the player, Meaning it seems like MANI and JG all
about players who are all ball. You better be all
about the game and your devotion, your commitment, or it
doesn't seem like you're likely to play for this team.
Speaker 10 (08:28):
Yeah, and it's you've seen this, you know, for what
kind of people that they've gotten.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
It's really.
Speaker 10 (08:36):
Very very important of the players they take, you know.
Sometimes you know, in my opinion, I think they've taken
guys who are more characteristics that they have, more guys
who are tough. They know that they're first and foremost,
that they're tough, that they love to compete, that they
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love the game rather than the athleticism.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
You know.
Speaker 10 (09:02):
But they're doing a great, great job and that you know.
The thing that I heard earlier or as I was
listening early, can you hear his voice on how happy
he loved doing his Yes, you can just hear how
happy he is about going through this. When you hear
some of the GMS during this time, you can hear
that they just kind of dread doing this. They're afraid
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of doing it. But this guy's very very happy about
this time. He's looking forward to.
Speaker 6 (09:29):
What other takeaways, Zach, do you have from that?
Speaker 5 (09:31):
Something that I love? Paul, you discussed how your prediction,
what you would hope for is to invest within the
trench as well. Johnathan Gannon was asked by carts chatter
Darren Irban about the significance of offensive players defensive players
inside the trenches and if it's just a talking point
because the Philadelphia Eagles and the way that they want
it in the Super Bowl, or if this is something
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that genuinely is the case and has been the case
all along. And JG said it's simply being discussed because
the Eagles wanted all this past year. This is something
that jonathanan and Manti Austin for both mentioned that they've
learned from day one was the importance of the trenches
when you get into this profession. That's what it's about.
And I think it's interesting because Justin Fried, the new
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offensive line coach and coach Winston Dilati Boudaer aka coach Debo,
I nailed that name pronunciation. I'm very proud of. I'm
not bad all right. I'm glad I did too, but
I'm glad I said it right the first time. Look,
these are two guys that two coaches that are coming
from the college ranks. It's their first time in a
draft process. But when you know that they come in
with the familiarity, the FaceTime from some of these guys
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being inside the building, the transfer portal, whatever it is,
as they were recruiting them out of high school. That
is how you're able to discover the good people and
also know that their traits are and what they are
as players.
Speaker 6 (10:48):
Yeah, there's at least two two potential Ohio State offensive
linemen that could go to the Cardinals.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
And Ashra Simmons was recently in for a visit reportedly,
and then Donovan Jackson's been a player that has been
an inside guard, has been a player that's been projected
to the Cardinals of the first round or two.
Speaker 6 (11:04):
No doubt. Well, this is the second time this week
that Roy Green has been in the house because Patrick
Peterson had a retirement ceremony earlier in the week and
Roy himself here got a shout out deservedly. So we're
going to get into all that and your thoughts and
impressions on the career of Patrick Peterson, who has retired
as an Arizona Cardinal as the Cardinals look for the
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Speaker 2 (12:02):
Sidearms into your side. It's battered around, picked.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Off by Peterson, a twenty pive running left of the
twenty the ten of the five pucks down Patrick Peterson,
two picks pass one.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
He takes back for a scar.
Speaker 7 (12:14):
That is what bad, bad bird, Patrick Peterson, tipping it
to him. So wanta play by Patrick Peterson?
Speaker 2 (12:27):
What past to the far side is picked off by Peterson.
He's gonna house it.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Twenty ten to five touchdown Patrick Peterson a pick six.
Speaker 7 (12:35):
Have you ever heard the idiom barking up the wrong tree?
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Patrick Peterson?
Speaker 2 (12:41):
What's the wrong tree?
Speaker 7 (12:42):
What are you doing throwing the out against Patrick Peterson?
Speaker 6 (12:48):
Yeah, quarterbacks learned their lesson. There was a time in
Pat Pie's career where he didn't get tried very often.
A couple of pick six is the two in his career.
What a glorious career was. It has come to a close,
officially he retires as a Cardinal, and we're here to
talk about all that is a big red rage presented
by santan Ford and Gilbert. We are santan Ford, Paul Calvic,
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Zach Gershman, and Arron Wolfley. The Great Roy Green the
jet stream himself as we heard that pick six against
Saint Louis, also against the Cowboys and his interesting guys.
I had to send out a tweet earlier. Okay, I'm
trying to help Craig Greelu win his social media following,
and I was adding to it the defensive backs and
the Cardinals Ring of honor as follows as we know,
Larry Wilson, Roger Worley, Dick Knight, train Lane A Nias Williams,
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Adrian Wilson soon to be Patrick Peterson, And I thought
to myself, am I including Roy Green? It was a
bit of a conundrum. As someone who started as a
defensive back in this league and then became a great
all time receiver. You tell us, okay, so dB to
dB because that's how you started your NFL career. What
stood out about Patrick Peterson as a guy who made
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the Pro Bowl his first eight seasons in the league.
What do you think every other corner league would of
it and would really admire about Pat PA's game?
Speaker 10 (14:05):
Patrick has been very, very special. It doesn't take long
to know how good, how great he was going to be.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
It was for me.
Speaker 10 (14:18):
And the funny thing about this is one of my
teammates that you just talked about Anias. The third day
of practice, I went to our gym at the time,
assistant Jim, and I said, that guy's going to the
Hall of Fame. No, come on, asked with Mark. Ask him.
I said, he's going to be one of the greatest.
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He said, what are you talking about? He's that good.
He's better than I thought he was. I said, oh, yes,
he is. It took about three days to realize that,
and I'm saying that because seeing Pe hadn't really spoke
to him at that first part of time that I
saw him, just watching him.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Yeah, he's one of those those guys.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
Was it just the way he carried himself on the
field or what was it about it so early on
that you kind of gravitated towards I mean, obviously a
player could recognize a player's skill set, but what was
it about it? Was it just the way he carried himself?
Speaker 1 (15:13):
You know what?
Speaker 10 (15:13):
That's that's part of it, because there's a very, very
you're confident, first of all, if you make the pros
and you're there and you've done well in college and
all these things. All the guys are are confident, you know,
but there's something else that makes them more than that.
I think that I cared about this is because, okay,
let me make it this way. I named him standard.
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That's what I called him. And that's because everybody talks
about a package everything they have and they have great quickness,
they're fast, they're tough, there's confident, and you know five
or six other things that they really talk about that
has to have. And that thing in my mind is
that I said to myself, he's the standard of all
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those things during that time that he played, he was
the standard for all of those things together. And that's
why I named him that, and that's why I knew
that he's going to be very very special.
Speaker 6 (16:10):
As a kid. Say, he always wanted all that smoke.
He wanted Julio Jones, AJ Green, DeAndre Hopkins, Calvin Johnson.
He wanted the best of the best, and he would
he would travel with them all over the field. None
of this I'm playing the left side or the right side,
or only playing outside. There was none of that kind
of stuff. And look, he probably could still play if
he wanted to. He's four years younger than Kalis Campbell,
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for example, but he's more than okay with his decision
to retire.
Speaker 8 (16:36):
I love the game still dearly and I still can play,
but I do not want to play. And you see
all these grades in my chin. Now at my position,
I'm not accepted anymore. But I can live with that
because at the end of the day, I had a
great thirteen year career. There's no regrets. I'm perfectly fine
with my decision. I'm very very happy where I'm at
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in life, in my career. Myee minutes dry now you know,
So now you know it's in God's hands if I
did enough to be where I really want to be
at the end of my career, and that's football heaven.
Speaker 6 (17:11):
And Patrick Peterson went on to say, you know what,
it was only right for me to end my journey
where I started quote end quote. And here he is
back as an Arizona Cardinals, soon to be in the
Ring of Honor after some guy named Larry Fitzgerald. We'll
see about all that.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
And you know they've heard about him a long time ago.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
He's he's pretty good at what he does.
Speaker 6 (17:32):
He was there, I mean, there were so many different players,
ex players, current players, right his former teammates all in attendance,
and then a certain somebody in this radio studio he
got a shout out as well.
Speaker 8 (17:45):
Mister Roy Green. I appreciate you man like no other.
You gave me the name the standard, and that's still
stick with me to this day. I really really take
heave and conversations that we have had how you look
envisioned me. I did not take that responsibility very lightly.
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So I wanted you to know that, and that's why
I wanted to have you here with me today.
Speaker 6 (18:12):
As well, it's amazing. You know, I covered his entire
career and I don't think I've ever seen him nervous.
I don't think I've ever seen like the moment too
big for Patrick Peterson. It just sort of I don't know.
He's that ultra confidence you talk about, and I guess
it's a vital component of being a cover corner because
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when you do lose, and everybody does lose at some point,
you better have the confidence you're gonna rebound, right.
Speaker 10 (18:37):
Yeah, just like everything else. I mean, you can you know,
they're professional football players. There's pros, but there's always all pros.
There's always you know, the best of best. So that's
why I was when you talked about as today. Confidence. Yeah,
all those guys are confident, but there's the different layers
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of that confidence. And he's one of those guys. Then
you said, hey, where is he at? I'll go there.
I don't need to stay over here. I'll go and
find this guy. That's him. That's his confidence. He's one
of the greatest to play in definitely. You know, if
he doesn't go first time in the Hall of Fame, well,
don't get me stuck.
Speaker 6 (19:19):
You know, it's interesting We had Drew stan sitting right
where you are a couple of days ago, and I
made a common long lines of you know, with Patrick Peterson,
his greatness and how vitally was, how important was to
start a defensive game plan with him just being assigned
to the other team's number one receiver week in and
week out. If you can get that sort of corner
at number sixteen, you take that guy. Drew laughed. He said, well,
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you're not getting Patrick Peterson at number sixteen, But there
are a lot of mock drafts ack that have the
Cardinals going cornerback in this draft.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
John A. Barron, the cornerback from Texas is somebody that
a lot of experts have mocked the Cardinals to select.
He's more of a zone cover cornerback versus man. The
man cover cornerback that the Cardinals are mocked to select
is Will Johnson from Michigan. And I would just love,
you know, Marvin Harrison Junior being an Ohio State guy,
Will Johnson being a Michigan guy, that rivalry that they
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had while Marvin was still in school. To see that
in practice every single day would definitely be something pretty
interesting to see. But I want to go back to
something you mentioned about about Pat Pete because we talked
about the confidence. Obviously, I was not born in the valley.
I did not grow up watching tons of Arizona Cardinals
games because of being out on the East Coast. But
I remember watching one clip of Patrick Peterson getting ready
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to go up against Calvin Johnson and a coach says
to him, make Megatron meet Optimist Prime. And that was
the confidence that we were able to see from Patrick Peterson.
And then that one photo where you could see Megatron
in his face mask and the visor, and how it's
that reflection. Even though you couldn't see his eyes, you
know that there was no fear in Patrick Peterson's eyes.
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And if you have a cornerback in this draft that
you could potentially select that also does not have that fear,
bring him on.
Speaker 6 (20:57):
Into the Valley and look the Cardinals. I don't know
if you consider corner for the Cardinals right now as
a need or a want. They have Garrett Williams, who
just got better and better in his second season as
the season unfolded, one of the highest rated cover corners
by Pro Football Focus. I don't know if you saw him,
Oh yes, and what he looked like what were some
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of your impressions watching Garrett Williams for example? Last season Roy.
Speaker 10 (21:21):
Green confident, he wanted it. You sew his skills. I
mean his feet seems always making a play. You know
when he as each day came, you know, he started
in later on and you know was nicked a little bit,
but as he started then he started jumping back in.
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I mean the first game he came in, I remember
everybody was like, who is that guy? You know, he
was very very special now said, his feet, his confidence,
his technician you know, which is a big big part
of for a defensive back is this technicians being a
great technical guy. And that is that and I think
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that he's gonna be very very special.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Also.
Speaker 6 (22:07):
Max Melton obviously high second round pick. Real quick, what
do you think is going to be his biggest leap
from year one to year two a rookie corner to
his second year? What do you think he learned first
and foremost last year as a rookie? Max Melton is
a corner, a rookie corner in this league. What do
you think he learned the most last year?
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Oh? Well, first and foremost you learn about the league.
Speaker 10 (22:28):
What it's about you know the things that how to work,
what will work, what.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Won't you know?
Speaker 10 (22:36):
Knowing that as far as preparing preparation, they don't realize
just how much preparation you need, not just on the field,
but in studying.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
That makes you different between other guys.
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Roy Green.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Fact the he was Roy Grant of the in zone
six yards nap, He's gonna run it out.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
He's out to the tenth, turns it.
Speaker 8 (23:08):
To the left side of the twenty twenty five thirty
thirty five morning.
Speaker 10 (23:12):
He may go all the way.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
He's at the morning, He's at the tunny, he's.
Speaker 7 (23:17):
At the ten.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
He is then for the touchdown Roy Gray around one
hundred and.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Half the six yards I was waiting for.
Speaker 10 (23:24):
He called on a pay phone in my dorm and
the payphone was on the third floor. Wow, And I
was on the second floor. The basketball team was on
the third floor. I says, Hey, guys, listen for the
phone for me.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
If it rings, it might be for me.
Speaker 10 (23:38):
So everybody was on alert. But I did have a distraction.
They say you need distractions on draft day. A tornado hit.
Are you see a tornado hit that morning, right before
the draft, And I'm like, oh God, I worked this hard.
I'm not gonna get a chance to go to don't
take me down.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
I'm a tornado. Mann knocked out all the phone service
at that point. It's not like there's a cell phone
back in the nineteen seventy nine draft. I heard mel
Kiper say the other day his first draft, it was
nineteen eighty or eighty one. ESPN dumped out for a
truck poll, like they weren't even done with round one
and they had to go on a truck poll programming,
oh man, welcome into the big red range and welcome
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back here down memory lane with a great Roy Green,
Paul Cowvi he ses Zach Gershman in for Ron Wolfley.
What else do you remember I mean about draft? I mean,
for example, did the Cardinals, the Saint Louis Cardinals at
the time, how extensively did they even scout you and
meet with you?
Speaker 10 (24:35):
Well, no one did extensively. I mean, I had, you know,
the funny thing when I'm funny. But the only reason
people came to see me was my coach called all
the teams in the NFL and said, hey, I got
a guy you guys need to come and see. And
he said in how I believe he believed in me
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and I love him to death. He said that if
this guy can't play, you never have to come back
here and watch us play or to scout in the player.
And that's may guys believed to come. So, you know,
the Cardinals and Cowboys, Jets and a few more teams
came and I worked out there, and at that time,
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you know, there wasn't there combines. A lot of different
teams would go and they share what they were doing.
Everybody wanted to keep a secret, right right, So especially
when I ran at four to three, they were like
they didn't want nobody else to know. So, uh yeah,
it was It's very different time then. I really love
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it for sure, But that that tornado was really things
shook me up a little bit.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
So when that phone call did ring in between the
thunder and lightning, what was that moment like, because MANI
Austin for and Jonathan Gann and we're talking on Wednesday,
and they said, just how much that's one of their
favorite parts about is when they're able to deliver that call.
What was it like to be on the receiving of it?
Speaker 10 (26:00):
Oh, man, I love the first ball guy goes hey, hey,
roy Man. Some guy up there. And he wasn't one
of the regular basketball players that was there, because you know,
in the basketball player sometimes there was a few of them.
The baseball players was up there too because there were
so many, I guess more base pro players, and so
they had a couple of.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Rooms over there.
Speaker 10 (26:21):
He comes up and says, hey, Roy Green, there's some
guy here saying he wants to talk to you.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
And he says it was some team or something.
Speaker 6 (26:29):
I'm like, whoa man?
Speaker 1 (26:32):
And I was going up there.
Speaker 5 (26:34):
Four to three was put in the.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Star get up to that third level.
Speaker 6 (26:38):
Well, for those who aren't familiar, you're Saint Louis Sports
Hall of Fame. The description says, quite simply, Roy Green
was the most versatile player of his time in the NFL.
For example, three times in nineteen eighty one, you both
caught and intercepted a pass in the same game that
that is just truly remarkable.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (27:00):
In fact, here's Bruce Arians, former Cardinals head coach, right,
and here's what he had to say to you about
you and your skill set.
Speaker 11 (27:06):
Roy Green, Oh heck yeah, man, have fit in any offense.
You know, jet streams as good as it gets. Well,
he was so versatile. You know, he had that outside speed,
but he could play in the slot. He could do
a lot of things as tough as nails. I don't
know too many young players today that are like him,
that had everything, smart, tough, He hit all the things
you're looking for in a football player.
Speaker 6 (27:25):
And as the story goes, Jim Hannafin had you running
with the receivers and pretty much you realized, wait a minute,
he might be our best receiver. And then boom, a
couple of years later, you were a full time receiver
and making Pro Bowls. So let me ask you, how
realistic is it that Travis Hunter possibly the number two
pick in this draft, the Heisman winner, who, according to
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Travis Hunter, some teams had come in. He comes in
for these top thirty visits. They say, go meet with
the offensive coaches first. Other teams say, no, go meet
with the defensive coaches. First, I mean, how feasible is
it he could play both.
Speaker 10 (27:56):
Spots, Kenny, Yes, no question he can, but for how long?
It's very taxing, taxing for sure, and it's tough. I
mean not just the physical part. I mean when you
look at the whole situation. You know, most players are
going to have about fifty five sixty plays, you know,
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offensively or defensively. But when you go in, guys, you're
playing one hundred and some plays. Huh, it kind of
makes sense that Wait a minute, he's playing basically two
games every time you're playing one. So eventually it's gonna
wear you down. And when you're in a game, say
when you see guys at the offense, they're going to
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have play comes back off the field and they're on
the sidelenes. Everybody's gathering together and they're talking about making
some adjustments and all this. But if you're playing a
defense at the time, you don't hear this, you don't
make the adjustments. It could be Okay, we're gonna change
this call or how we do this. You don't get
that when you're on the team, right.
Speaker 6 (29:01):
It's great point.
Speaker 10 (29:02):
So it's a very very difficult time, but it's no
question that if you come and say, first of all,
you got to depend what is he primarily going to be?
What is that going to be? I don't know because
I haven't seen enough of him whether he's a better
receiver or a better cornerback player. But if he's a
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better cornerback player, I wouldn't even think about offense. It's
very very to get a shut down corner. How hard
is that to get one? If he is that? Okay,
I can find a lot of receivers, but you can't
find that that guy that can go all over the
field and cover everybody. So that's what I would do
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and give him a little package of maybe ten twelve
plays doing the offensive game.
Speaker 5 (29:49):
Sir Roy, we talked about the confidence that a cornerback
needs to have. Wide receivers have equally as much confidence
in a lot of cases, especially when it's those monoy
mono matchups. For you being on both sides of it,
considering your career, was it what you expected being able
to play both sides of the ball, or what was
it about it? Maybe now when you reflect on the
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challenges or the experiences from along the way, what kind
of stands out about the ability to play on both sides.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Of the ball. The ability of me or for you.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
When you look back on your career, when you think
about those first handful of years when you do have
an interception into catching a game, what do you start
to think about?
Speaker 1 (30:28):
I think about my advantage.
Speaker 10 (30:32):
How did I do it and how did I jump
out to do it so quick and be successful? Was
the fact first and foremost. I loved it all the
way around football, Even before they even talked about me
playing on receiver. I would always listen to what the
receivers were talking to as we're doing one on one
drills or whatever. I listened to what the offensive coach
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was saying to them. I heard about those things and
from when I moved to offense. The fact that I
was a defensive player first, because you have so many
adjustments to make with defense. The fact that you know
what they do on defense made it so so easier
for me to go to go to the receiver because
of about adjustments. You just go out there and play
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receiver and had no idea even the rookie Saya receiver
comes in. Do you know how much things you got
to learn about? Sure, because of the adjustments to make,
But I had already knew about that, and I could
see how they line up exactly. I knew my adjustments
proudly before it. The funny thing is I would play
against the walls of the green and they'd be lining
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up and up tighten all this, and I go just
go ahead and back up. Now I know you bailing, buddy.
I thought they just laugh, you know. So that's an
advantage for you. You know, you got to know as
much about you can about the about the other side
of the ball.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
Were you a trash talker on the field.
Speaker 10 (31:51):
Done?
Speaker 5 (31:52):
Never so, even though you knew what was kind of
going through your opposition's head, that wasn't something that you
tried to take advantage of in some ways.
Speaker 10 (31:59):
No, I would say couple things like that, but no,
it was ne a trash player. You know, it's very
different different time. You know, particularly for an offensive player.
You better not be talking trash because then they could
hit you in the head. I mean, they could punish you.
Now you see receivers now they do the you know,
all the things they can do because they know they're safe.
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If you knew you weren't safe, I think it would
be a very different.
Speaker 6 (32:25):
Day when you shank a golf shot. You still blame
Ronnie Lott, don't you.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Oh that's the sucker. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 6 (32:33):
You know what's amazing that seventy nine draft, By the way,
Cardinals took Otis Anderson, absolute freak factor right as the
running back in first round. Their final pick in round seven.
Just take a flyer and some guy named Kirk Gibson,
the two time Baseball MVP. Kirk Gibson, who was an
All American flanker at Michigan State and when he was
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the manager of the d Backs. I remember him telling
the story. He would work summers while he's going to
Michigan State. He worked the auto plant. On paycheck Friday,
he would challenge guys to a race in the parking
lot because he.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
Could really run.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Yes he could.
Speaker 6 (33:07):
He was a big dude and nobody could believe he
could really run. And he took a lot of paychecks
off a lot of guys on Fridays.
Speaker 10 (33:13):
Especially a lot of black guys. You know where the
brother baking No way, Okay, give me my money.
Speaker 6 (33:24):
But speed still kills in this game, doesn't it. Speed
still kills? And Travis Hunter has.
Speaker 10 (33:30):
That it's always an advantage without course, so you man,
there's a defensive back. I don't care who you are,
how confident you are. The first thing you think about.
I can't give the big one, you know. And if
you know a guy can run four to two, four
to three, you know whoa you know, I better be
ready when this guy comes up. Yeah, it's a very
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advantage for the speed. I mean it's great for a coordinator.
It's easy to call plays if you got a guy
that knows the defense is always worry about this guy
may get six. You kind of know where they're gonna
roll up. Who's gonna get to single, who's gonna get
to double? Those kinds of things. Yes, speed, as they say,
speed keells.
Speaker 5 (34:10):
It's why a lot of Whye receivers right now are
mocked to the Cardinals because Matthew Golden of four three forty.
When you have somebody that's able to do I mean
we're staying in the room with one right now. Paulwin
y receiver is able to have that speed. It's attractive.
Speaker 6 (34:22):
Well, I'll tell you what we're gonna get into this
next with Marvin Harrison Junior. Intrigued by your thoughts earlier
that you think he's gonna have a breakout second season.
I want to get your thoughts on that. And it's
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Speaker 4 (35:03):
Shot Gun Snap Murray It throw a fade right side
of the end zone.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
On the money to Marvin Harrison Junior. Touchdown. What a
throw by Murray.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
That's his fourth touchdown pass, tying a career high.
Speaker 7 (35:16):
You can see that coming a mile away, Marvin Harrison
Junior one on one against the corner, and he went
ahead and ran the fade and sure enough, Kyler Murray
put it out there and Marvin Harrison Junior went and
got it.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
Tex Fitz and let him know that Marvin Harrison Junior
just tied his rookie record that's eight touchdown catches, tying
it with Ankwon, Bolden and Larry for most touchdown catches
by a rookie and team hisstery.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Pretty good company right there.
Speaker 6 (35:47):
Yeah, no doubt that's a double ding right there. Passion
Wolf on the call that was a season finale Marvin
Harrison Junior cap in a rookie campaign. Then, in terms
of the numbers, right up there among the all timers
in car Litt's history, as we name drop freyd Jetstream
Green on this edition of The Big Red Rage, speaking
all time receivers in Cardinals history. Paul Kelvey, c Zach
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Gershman in for Wolf, And I mean, let's just let's
just go around the table here and just give me
your thoughts on the rookie campaign for Marvin Harrison Junior.
Because the numbers say one thing. I think the eyeball
test says another. And to me, it says there's still
plenty of upside and production that can be maximized. Would
you agree with that.
Speaker 10 (36:27):
Roy, Yes, I mean I can't even think of or no,
but I would probably think that his name his numbers
are probably the same.
Speaker 6 (36:35):
As fits were very close, yes, pretty close, very close.
Speaker 5 (36:39):
Ye, nearly identical to his father's.
Speaker 10 (36:43):
Yes, Hall of Fame for Yeah, so l that tells
you, you know, but you know he's a rookie. The other
thing I think that he should have preseason. You know
that two years of play makes a huge difference of
your first year. You know, an opportunity. I know, you
quarterbacks not gonna be there, but that's okay. You don't
have to really catch balls. But the fact that goal
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again kind of understanding, you know, going against other guys,
you know, your adjustments, all this kind of thing is
gonna make you ahead when the first regular season came,
So you're always gonna be ahead of what you've done. Secondly, separation,
he's got to do a little more about separating his separation,
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not about his routes. I think he's very impatient on
some of his routes because you know, when you're young,
you want to a young guy, Hey, I gotta get open.
I gotta get open. But you know you gotta be
patient to do that. And like I said, first and foremost,
I give him an eighth for this season for sure,
but because of the expectations of his ability, but he's
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capable of doing. He's gonna always go his whole series
and say he should have been better, because that's what
they do the great.
Speaker 5 (37:54):
Great And that's exactly what Marvin Harrison Junior said at
the end of his rookie season. He said that it
wasn't what he expected for it to be. When you
have a guy coming in with the standards and the
weight of a franchise as a wide receiver, one as
you're on your shoulders and you not only have to
go up with the legacy of Larry Fitzgerald, the best
wide receiver that the Cardinals have had in history, but
you also have to go with your Hall of Fame father,
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who you share a name with. There's a lot of pressure.
So Marvin could have had one thousand plus yards and
I'm surest people still would have said it wasn't what
they would expected for it to be the case. But
Marvin is the type of guy. We've heard from many
that he's been in the facility nearly every single day.
He's hungry and Roy you talked about how that first
season for a rookie, they're learning what it's like to
be in the league, and then that year two jump Paul,
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It's interesting what that's actually gonna be like come next year.
Speaker 6 (38:41):
And look, he was very honest with the media. You know,
he said, in hindsight, he would have liked to have
played some more preseason reps. He got one series, he
got three snaps, didn't get a target. Kyler said recently
that Marvin told him, Yeah, that Week one game of Buffalo,
that was moving quick. I mean, things definitely slowed down
for him over the course of the year. Eight in
the season, last two games. He had a pretty good
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finish to the year. And you know, he told the me,
I was running some different routes. So I think his
route tree became more polished, became more extensive, and then
of course, you know, your chemistry grows with your quarterback
and manti Asa for with our Danny Sirek at the
combine was talking about that, you know, I mean, look,
one plus one asked equal three. When you talk about
Kyler and Marvin Harrison Junior.
Speaker 9 (39:22):
Yeah, I think with Kyler and Marv, as with everybody
in our you know, our roster as a whole, like
everybody's competitive and the goal is to perform at a
high level, and those guys they want to do it
at a high level all the time, and so you know,
I know those guys are working hard. Those guys hooked
up on a lot of big plays, a lot of
explosive plays, scoring plays, and I know there's more to comment.
So I know those two are going to do what
it takes, along with the rest of our offense to
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you know, make us more explosive, make us more multiple,
and continue to put our offense in a position.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
To score points.
Speaker 6 (39:50):
You know, there's a stat we have cited that when
it comes to chunk runs explosive run plays, the Cardinals
were top five in the league both ten plus and
twenty yard runs, but in terms of explosive pass plays,
the Cardinals are bottom third roy So there's definitely room
for improvement in that category, right the chunk throw.
Speaker 10 (40:07):
Of course, And you know it should be because you
just talked about how successful you are running your play
actions gotta be yep, way better because of that. Well,
not have to be, but I would like for it
to be. And you know, I think things that they're
gonna you know, because now they take a look at
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what they've done this past season, every play and look
at it, and they're gonna get some opportunity. No, we're
gonna get more opportunities. Because of this.
Speaker 6 (40:35):
There's a there's a popular narrative the Cardinals should add
a speed receiver to this offense. To everybody, now take
the top off, what do you say about that?
Speaker 10 (40:44):
It's always a plus, baby, It's always a plus. And
it's very, very easier for the entire offense. You know,
my first two years at receiver, everybody had better number
because you know, they knew that as an opportunity that
you know, I might be over the top. So yeah,
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you know, tight ends had more room. Other receivers got
more opportunities. So and you know, with doing that, it
makes tougher for the defenses to defend you also because
they're thinking about, hey, this guy any place, it might
be that time he's going. So let's really be very
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careful on what we do defensively.
Speaker 5 (41:30):
Do I think the Cardinals need to take that speedy
wide receiver with their sixteenth overall pick, as I kind
of stated earlier, not to be the case, but just
to imagine what a speed wide receiver would do for
this offense. Because you already have Trey McBride, the highest
paid tight end in the NFL's history, you know what
you're gonna be expecting from Marvin Harrison Junior. In year
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number two, Michael Wilson showed some flashes in that wide
receiver two spot. What is your number three going to
look like? For him? But if you have a speed
wide receiver that could really rounded out while you also
have a bull horse running back like James Connor Man Paul,
the opportunity and the options for Kyler Murray are truly
potentially could be endless. Come twenty twenty five.
Speaker 6 (42:13):
You know there was a guy, and you remember Roy
round three, John Brown, who came in about ten years
ago for Bruce Arians and really made an impact. Came
in and you know he's sort of an unknown, but
he ran a legit four three to one, and you're right,
he really did create a lot of opportunity for a
lot of other receivers.
Speaker 5 (42:31):
Correct.
Speaker 10 (42:32):
Yes, yes, I'm saying it makes a huge difference. It
makes it easier for everyone offensively with that question, I
wouldn't be upset if they did. But you know, as
an offensive player, yeah, get a receiver, get a fast
receiving doesn't make easier for me. But as a team player,
I think there might be some other places that can
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help us.
Speaker 6 (42:54):
From the team here's the other thing of Marvin Harrison Junior,
the contested catch, which is so critical in the NFL.
Let's face it, Ohio State as an All American I mean,
he was so dominant. How often did he have to
make a contested catch when he's just schooling guys in college.
So I think, you know, how do you how do
you learn that in practice? You really don't. You can't
practice that way, not in today's NFL. So really, the
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contested catch you have to learn on the job. And
I expect him to be a lot better in that
in year two. What's your expectation in that regard?
Speaker 10 (43:23):
Well, you always get better at what you do. You
know at the time, you always do. And because of that,
you know, is everyone around him understands and they see
him and they hear him that he works, he wants
to be better, and because of everything he has and
wanting to be better, it's going to be okay.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
I promise you it's going to be okay.
Speaker 5 (43:46):
The one thing I hope for with Marvin Harrison Junior
when it comes to those contested catches is he had
a tendency to try to catch with his body, catch
with his chest, and that made it tough because defenders
had no problem swatting the ball away because they were
waiting for it to get into the into his chest.
Marvin's a lanky kid, and if he has the ability
to go out and pick the football and ring it
in like that way, Roy, how much of a as
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a wide receiver? The instincts and when you know you
have a defensive back on your back right there and
that fifty to fifty balls coming your way, is the
instincts to just let it go with the body or
go out and pick it.
Speaker 10 (44:20):
You know, the toughest catch there is people may not
believe is the one right in the middle, because as
a receiver, you know, when it's above your waist, your
hands are gonna be up. When it's below there, your
hands is gonna be under. But when it's right there,
guys started to think, oh is it over under? That's
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where the mistake comes.
Speaker 6 (44:43):
Makes a lot of sense. That's a guy who's been
there and done that in a glorious career. His name
is up on the stadium for a reason. In the
Ring of honor. Roy, we really enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
Thank you, hey, thank you guys. We really appreciate it.
Speaker 10 (44:54):
But make sure that Marvin better give my granddaughter Mariah
a jersey because been one one full of rock.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
That's good. That's right.
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over here, Zach Gershman over there filling in for Ron Wolfley.
I don't know how he got the night off. Maybe
the magnitude of the moment, Zach was too big for wolf.
You are ready to meet the moment?
Speaker 5 (01:59):
Oh, I am one hundred percent righty to meet the movement.
Maybe Wolf entered the transfer portal kind of like the
cal football team five running the transfer portal the last
forty eight seventy two hours, only one running back on
their roster. Right now, Paul, how are your cow Bears
doing it?
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (02:14):
It can always get worse. We lost our franchise quarterback
before the Bowl game. So it just continues to get
worse each and every day.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
The really, really.
Speaker 6 (02:23):
Good news right now is that we have maybe the
only guy on the planet who can relate to Travis Hunter.
Travis Hunter is going to be a top two, top
three pick. He doesn't even know what position he's going
to play yet. How many guys can relate to that?
How about the jet stream himself? Roy Green all time Cardinals,
Great in the house.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Welcome Roy, It's good to be here, my guys.
Speaker 6 (02:46):
Yes, we're gonna get into all that. By the way,
Bucky Brooks has him rated Travis Hunter as both his
number one corner and his number one receiver in this draft.
We'll get to that, but first let's hit zoom out
and just talk about this draft in general. How many
trades have been made so far in round one?
Speaker 5 (03:03):
Zach zero zero.
Speaker 6 (03:04):
Okay, so we know that that's one of the few knowns.
The unknown is exactly where the Cardinals are gonna end
up in number sixteen. A year ago, at this time
I think we all agreed to was probably gonna be
Marvin Harrison Junior. In Broy, you had a lot to
say about that and we're gonna get to that. But
here's the Cardinals GM right now. And the difference between
picking three or four the last couple of years and
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number sixteen, like it's gonna happen a week from tonight.
Speaker 9 (03:28):
Whether we're picking three or four like we have the
last two years to picking sixteen this year, we have
to be ready. We never know what's gonna happen draft night.
You know, it's you can sit there and say, oh,
this guy's not gonna be there, or hey, yeah, we
think this guy's definitely gonna be there, and we don't know.
We don't know, So the only way to be ready
for those situations is to do the work. All I
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know is that we have our board set and we
have the values that we think the players are and
so when it's our turn to pick, if they if
they say it's our turn, then we'll be ready to
pick a player.
Speaker 6 (03:57):
And there's at least a half dozen different positions that
have been mocked to the Cardinals so far. So I
think Mani's liking that sack because he's keeping everyone guessing
right now.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
Of course, but they're also guessing themselves because Mani said,
it's simply put you have to sit and wait, and
it's always hard to predict, especially when you're in the
middle of the draft order. We know this staff and
this team wants to be picking in the thirties because
that means that they're going further along in January and
into February. However, that's not the spot they're in. But
it's definitely a lot better than being at number four
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and then number three the year prior. With that being said, though,
as you mentioned, Paul, half a dozen positions wide receivers,
ed Rutgers, defensive tackles, cornerbacks, the whole gambit.
Speaker 6 (04:37):
Really, So the Cardinals went out, they really bolstered the
defensive line. They got Josh Sweat right, the big splash
signing the edge guy in free agency. I guess theoretically
Cardinals could go receiver Roy Green at number sixteen. I
am still shocked, though, how many different mock drafts have
Mani and JG going receiver at sixteen. Is a former
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receiver yourself? Are you buying that right now?
Speaker 10 (05:01):
No, No, not at all. You got who's probably going
to be the best for a long long time, you know,
within the league.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
That's how.
Speaker 10 (05:16):
I think how good he's going to be and when
you look at the Cardinals, you know McBride, it's the.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Best tight end in the league.
Speaker 10 (05:23):
There's if there's some help that you need, I don't
think there's anybody catching the balls and getting open because
you got two of the best.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
They can do it. Let's stop somebody. Please, Let's stop somebody.
Speaker 6 (05:34):
All right, all right, And you know what, I totally
agree with you. I do think they're building from the
inside out, and I do think it's gonna be O
line or D line. But you know, when it gets
to draft night, you never quite know. You gotta be ready.
What is the stats six Draft Day trade so far
by Monti assin Ford over the last two drafts, we're
talking the entirety of the drafts. We've seen deals in
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round one. Don't know if we're gonna see one this
year around, but we do know MANI is up prepared
for the moment himself.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
I love it.
Speaker 9 (06:04):
It's it's cool, it's uh that's you know, that's why
we work, uh work over a year for that night.
And uh no, I mean I got I got a
lot of help in there. A lot of guys that
have have done this a long time and and have
taken those calls and and really, uh you know, it's
taken in the information and it's it's weighing it and saying, hey,
if we if we do this, the opportunity costs of
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this trade is this player, but we pick up this
And I think it's just you know, I think we
have a sound process of how we go by uh,
you know, filtering through that information. But it is it's awesome.
Speaker 6 (06:36):
And if I remember right, because we were sitting in
there for the half hour press conference, Zach he sort
of does the math. You know, there's X number of
players that he covets that are worth that pick, and
if they're still on the board as the draft unfolds,
then okay, he'll stick and pick. If they're not, either
he'll make a move and go up or he'll trade
out and go down.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
If there's any general manager, I'm not concerned about having
the willingness to move around the draft board. It is Mania,
Austin Ford, because I mean to think about it, your
first draft as a general manager, and what do you do?
You good, trade from pick three all the way back
to pick twelve, and then you trade back up to
pick six to get Paris Johnson junior that takes something
from somebody that shows guts and somebody that really is
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willing to risk it all and Mania Austin Ford is
not afraid to do that. He joked a little bit
and said how sometimes he'll see the caller ID come
across the board and he'll know he's expecting a good call,
a bad call, or a ridiculous offer. It's going to
be one of the three. But I think something that
Johnathan Gannon discussed was you want to have good players.
You want to have good people first, good player second,
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and then the role being third, because when you look
at the guys you want to bring into the facility,
that's what it has to be. But their role could
very much change, very different from where it is on
April twenty fourth, the first night of the NFL Draft,
to what it might be in October December. Darius Robinson
was a guy that we were expecting to learn a
little bit behind Justin Jones and Balal Nichols, but all
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three end up getting hurt. And when he comes back
in towards the back end of the season, Darius Robinson
has a totally different rookie season than others.
Speaker 6 (08:05):
And I want to get your takeaways Other takeaways from
the pre draft press conference. Manei Osipor Jonathan gannon Roy
Green tell me how important is the person aspect of
the player, Meaning it seems like MANI and JG all
about players who are all ball. You better be all
about the game and your devotion, your commitment, or it
doesn't seem like you're likely to play for this team.
Speaker 10 (08:28):
Yeah, and it's you've seen this, you know, for what
kind of people that they've gotten.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
It's really.
Speaker 10 (08:36):
Very very important of the players they take, you know.
Sometimes you know, in my opinion, I think they've taken
guys who are more characteristics that they have, more guys
who are tough. They know that they're first and foremost,
that they're tough, that they love to compete, that they
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love the game rather than the athleticism.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
You know.
Speaker 10 (09:02):
But they're doing a great, great job and that you know.
The thing that I heard earlier or as I was
listening early, can you hear his voice on how happy
he loved doing his Yes, you can just hear how
happy he is about going through this. When you hear
some of the GMS during this time, you can hear
that they just kind of dread doing this. They're afraid
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of doing it. But this guy's very very happy about
this time. He's looking forward to.
Speaker 6 (09:29):
What other takeaways, Zach, do you have from that?
Speaker 5 (09:31):
Something that I love? Paul, you discussed how your prediction,
what you would hope for is to invest within the
trench as well. Johnathan Gannon was asked by carts chatter
Darren Irban about the significance of offensive players defensive players
inside the trenches and if it's just a talking point
because the Philadelphia Eagles and the way that they want
it in the Super Bowl, or if this is something
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that genuinely is the case and has been the case
all along. And JG said it's simply being discussed because
the Eagles wanted all this past year. This is something
that jonathanan and Manti Austin for both mentioned that they've
learned from day one was the importance of the trenches
when you get into this profession. That's what it's about.
And I think it's interesting because Justin Fried, the new
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offensive line coach and coach Winston Dilati Boudaer aka coach Debo,
I nailed that name pronunciation. I'm very proud of. I'm
not bad all right. I'm glad I did too, but
I'm glad I said it right the first time. Look,
these are two guys that two coaches that are coming
from the college ranks. It's their first time in a
draft process. But when you know that they come in
with the familiarity, the FaceTime from some of these guys
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being inside the building, the transfer portal, whatever it is,
as they were recruiting them out of high school. That
is how you're able to discover the good people and
also know that their traits are and what they are
as players.
Speaker 6 (10:48):
Yeah, there's at least two two potential Ohio State offensive
linemen that could go to the Cardinals.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
And Ashra Simmons was recently in for a visit reportedly,
and then Donovan Jackson's been a player that has been
an inside guard, has been a player that's been projected
to the Cardinals of the first round or two.
Speaker 6 (11:04):
No doubt. Well, this is the second time this week
that Roy Green has been in the house because Patrick
Peterson had a retirement ceremony earlier in the week and
Roy himself here got a shout out deservedly. So we're
going to get into all that and your thoughts and
impressions on the career of Patrick Peterson, who has retired
as an Arizona Cardinal as the Cardinals look for the
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next future Hall of Famer, and it all begins with
the draft, and that is next Thursday.
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We continue with a big red rage presented by Santan
Ford in Gilbert.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Sidearms into your side. It's battered around, picked.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Off by Peterson, a twenty pive running left of the
twenty the ten of the five pucks down Patrick Peterson,
two picks pass one.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
He takes back for a scar.
Speaker 7 (12:14):
That is what bad, bad bird, Patrick Peterson, tipping it
to him. So wanta play by Patrick Peterson?
Speaker 2 (12:27):
What past to the far side is picked off by Peterson.
He's gonna house it.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Twenty ten to five touchdown Patrick Peterson a pick six.
Speaker 7 (12:35):
Have you ever heard the idiom barking up the wrong tree?
Speaker 1 (12:40):
Patrick Peterson?
Speaker 2 (12:41):
What's the wrong tree?
Speaker 7 (12:42):
What are you doing throwing the out against Patrick Peterson?
Speaker 6 (12:48):
Yeah, quarterbacks learned their lesson. There was a time in
Pat Pie's career where he didn't get tried very often.
A couple of pick six is the two in his career.
What a glorious career was. It has come to a close,
officially he retires as a Cardinal, and we're here to
talk about all that is a big red rage presented
by santan Ford and Gilbert. We are santan Ford, Paul Calvic,
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Zach Gershman, and Arron Wolfley. The Great Roy Green the
jet stream himself as we heard that pick six against
Saint Louis, also against the Cowboys and his interesting guys.
I had to send out a tweet earlier. Okay, I'm
trying to help Craig Greelu win his social media following,
and I was adding to it the defensive backs and
the Cardinals Ring of honor as follows as we know,
Larry Wilson, Roger Worley, Dick Knight, train Lane A Nias Williams,
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Adrian Wilson soon to be Patrick Peterson, And I thought
to myself, am I including Roy Green? It was a
bit of a conundrum. As someone who started as a
defensive back in this league and then became a great
all time receiver. You tell us, okay, so dB to
dB because that's how you started your NFL career. What
stood out about Patrick Peterson as a guy who made
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the Pro Bowl his first eight seasons in the league.
What do you think every other corner league would of
it and would really admire about Pat PA's game?
Speaker 10 (14:05):
Patrick has been very, very special. It doesn't take long
to know how good, how great he was going to be.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
It was for me.
Speaker 10 (14:18):
And the funny thing about this is one of my
teammates that you just talked about Anias. The third day
of practice, I went to our gym at the time,
assistant Jim, and I said, that guy's going to the
Hall of Fame. No, come on, asked with Mark. Ask him.
I said, he's going to be one of the greatest.
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He said, what are you talking about? He's that good.
He's better than I thought he was. I said, oh, yes,
he is. It took about three days to realize that,
and I'm saying that because seeing Pe hadn't really spoke
to him at that first part of time that I
saw him, just watching him.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Yeah, he's one of those those guys.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
Was it just the way he carried himself on the
field or what was it about it so early on
that you kind of gravitated towards I mean, obviously a
player could recognize a player's skill set, but what was
it about it? Was it just the way he carried himself?
Speaker 1 (15:13):
You know what?
Speaker 10 (15:13):
That's that's part of it, because there's a very, very
you're confident, first of all, if you make the pros
and you're there and you've done well in college and
all these things. All the guys are are confident, you know,
but there's something else that makes them more than that.
I think that I cared about this is because, okay,
let me make it this way. I named him standard.
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That's what I called him. And that's because everybody talks
about a package everything they have and they have great quickness,
they're fast, they're tough, there's confident, and you know five
or six other things that they really talk about that
has to have. And that thing in my mind is
that I said to myself, he's the standard of all
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those things during that time that he played, he was
the standard for all of those things together. And that's
why I named him that, and that's why I knew
that he's going to be very very special.
Speaker 6 (16:10):
As a kid. Say, he always wanted all that smoke.
He wanted Julio Jones, AJ Green, DeAndre Hopkins, Calvin Johnson.
He wanted the best of the best, and he would
he would travel with them all over the field. None
of this I'm playing the left side or the right side,
or only playing outside. There was none of that kind
of stuff. And look, he probably could still play if
he wanted to. He's four years younger than Kalis Campbell,
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for example, but he's more than okay with his decision
to retire.
Speaker 8 (16:36):
I love the game still dearly and I still can play,
but I do not want to play. And you see
all these grades in my chin. Now at my position,
I'm not accepted anymore. But I can live with that
because at the end of the day, I had a
great thirteen year career. There's no regrets. I'm perfectly fine
with my decision. I'm very very happy where I'm at
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in life, in my career. Myee minutes dry now you know,
So now you know it's in God's hands if I
did enough to be where I really want to be
at the end of my career, and that's football heaven.
Speaker 6 (17:11):
And Patrick Peterson went on to say, you know what,
it was only right for me to end my journey
where I started quote end quote. And here he is
back as an Arizona Cardinals, soon to be in the
Ring of Honor after some guy named Larry Fitzgerald. We'll
see about all that.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
And you know they've heard about him a long time ago.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
He's he's pretty good at what he does.
Speaker 6 (17:32):
He was there, I mean, there were so many different players,
ex players, current players, right his former teammates all in attendance,
and then a certain somebody in this radio studio he
got a shout out as well.
Speaker 8 (17:45):
Mister Roy Green. I appreciate you man like no other.
You gave me the name the standard, and that's still
stick with me to this day. I really really take
heave and conversations that we have had how you look
envisioned me. I did not take that responsibility very lightly.
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So I wanted you to know that, and that's why
I wanted to have you here with me today.
Speaker 6 (18:12):
As well, it's amazing. You know, I covered his entire
career and I don't think I've ever seen him nervous.
I don't think I've ever seen like the moment too
big for Patrick Peterson. It just sort of I don't know.
He's that ultra confidence you talk about, and I guess
it's a vital component of being a cover corner because
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when you do lose, and everybody does lose at some point,
you better have the confidence you're gonna rebound, right.
Speaker 10 (18:37):
Yeah, just like everything else. I mean, you can you know,
they're professional football players. There's pros, but there's always all pros.
There's always you know, the best of best. So that's
why I was when you talked about as today. Confidence. Yeah,
all those guys are confident, but there's the different layers
(18:57):
of that confidence. And he's one of those guys. Then
you said, hey, where is he at? I'll go there.
I don't need to stay over here. I'll go and
find this guy. That's him. That's his confidence. He's one
of the greatest to play in definitely. You know, if
he doesn't go first time in the Hall of Fame, well,
don't get me stuck.
Speaker 6 (19:19):
You know, it's interesting We had Drew stan sitting right
where you are a couple of days ago, and I
made a common long lines of you know, with Patrick Peterson,
his greatness and how vitally was, how important was to
start a defensive game plan with him just being assigned
to the other team's number one receiver week in and
week out. If you can get that sort of corner
at number sixteen, you take that guy. Drew laughed. He said, well,
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you're not getting Patrick Peterson at number sixteen, But there
are a lot of mock drafts ack that have the
Cardinals going cornerback in this draft.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
John A. Barron, the cornerback from Texas is somebody that
a lot of experts have mocked the Cardinals to select.
He's more of a zone cover cornerback versus man. The
man cover cornerback that the Cardinals are mocked to select
is Will Johnson from Michigan. And I would just love,
you know, Marvin Harrison Junior being an Ohio State guy,
Will Johnson being a Michigan guy, that rivalry that they
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had while Marvin was still in school. To see that
in practice every single day would definitely be something pretty
interesting to see. But I want to go back to
something you mentioned about about Pat Pete because we talked
about the confidence. Obviously, I was not born in the valley.
I did not grow up watching tons of Arizona Cardinals
games because of being out on the East Coast. But
I remember watching one clip of Patrick Peterson getting ready
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to go up against Calvin Johnson and a coach says
to him, make Megatron meet Optimist Prime. And that was
the confidence that we were able to see from Patrick Peterson.
And then that one photo where you could see Megatron
in his face mask and the visor, and how it's
that reflection. Even though you couldn't see his eyes, you
know that there was no fear in Patrick Peterson's eyes.
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And if you have a cornerback in this draft that
you could potentially select that also does not have that fear,
bring him on.
Speaker 6 (20:57):
Into the Valley and look the Cardinals. I don't know
if you consider corner for the Cardinals right now as
a need or a want. They have Garrett Williams, who
just got better and better in his second season as
the season unfolded, one of the highest rated cover corners
by Pro Football Focus. I don't know if you saw him,
Oh yes, and what he looked like what were some
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of your impressions watching Garrett Williams for example? Last season Roy.
Speaker 10 (21:21):
Green confident, he wanted it. You sew his skills. I
mean his feet seems always making a play. You know
when he as each day came, you know, he started
in later on and you know was nicked a little bit,
but as he started then he started jumping back in.
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I mean the first game he came in, I remember
everybody was like, who is that guy? You know, he
was very very special now said, his feet, his confidence,
his technician you know, which is a big big part
of for a defensive back is this technicians being a
great technical guy. And that is that and I think
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that he's gonna be very very special.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Also.
Speaker 6 (22:07):
Max Melton obviously high second round pick. Real quick, what
do you think is going to be his biggest leap
from year one to year two a rookie corner to
his second year? What do you think he learned first
and foremost last year as a rookie? Max Melton is
a corner, a rookie corner in this league. What do
you think he learned the most last year?
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Oh? Well, first and foremost you learn about the league.
Speaker 10 (22:28):
What it's about you know the things that how to work,
what will work, what.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Won't you know?
Speaker 10 (22:36):
Knowing that as far as preparing preparation, they don't realize
just how much preparation you need, not just on the field,
but in studying.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
That makes you different between other guys.
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Roy Green.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Fact the he was Roy Grant of the in zone
six yards nap, He's gonna run it out.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
He's out to the tenth, turns it.
Speaker 8 (23:08):
To the left side of the twenty twenty five thirty
thirty five morning.
Speaker 10 (23:12):
He may go all the way.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
He's at the morning, He's at the tunny, he's.
Speaker 7 (23:17):
At the ten.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
He is then for the touchdown Roy Gray around one
hundred and.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Half the six yards I was waiting for.
Speaker 10 (23:24):
He called on a pay phone in my dorm and
the payphone was on the third floor. Wow, And I
was on the second floor. The basketball team was on
the third floor. I says, Hey, guys, listen for the
phone for me.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
If it rings, it might be for me.
Speaker 10 (23:38):
So everybody was on alert. But I did have a distraction.
They say you need distractions on draft day. A tornado hit.
Are you see a tornado hit that morning, right before
the draft, And I'm like, oh God, I worked this hard.
I'm not gonna get a chance to go to don't
take me down.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
I'm a tornado. Mann knocked out all the phone service
at that point. It's not like there's a cell phone
back in the nineteen seventy nine draft. I heard mel
Kiper say the other day his first draft, it was
nineteen eighty or eighty one. ESPN dumped out for a
truck poll, like they weren't even done with round one
and they had to go on a truck poll programming,
oh man, welcome into the big red range and welcome
(24:19):
back here down memory lane with a great Roy Green,
Paul Cowvi he ses Zach Gershman in for Ron Wolfley.
What else do you remember I mean about draft? I mean,
for example, did the Cardinals, the Saint Louis Cardinals at
the time, how extensively did they even scout you and
meet with you?
Speaker 10 (24:35):
Well, no one did extensively. I mean, I had, you know,
the funny thing when I'm funny. But the only reason
people came to see me was my coach called all
the teams in the NFL and said, hey, I got
a guy you guys need to come and see. And
he said in how I believe he believed in me
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and I love him to death. He said that if
this guy can't play, you never have to come back
here and watch us play or to scout in the player.
And that's may guys believed to come. So, you know,
the Cardinals and Cowboys, Jets and a few more teams
came and I worked out there, and at that time,
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you know, there wasn't there combines. A lot of different
teams would go and they share what they were doing.
Everybody wanted to keep a secret, right right, So especially
when I ran at four to three, they were like
they didn't want nobody else to know. So, uh yeah,
it was It's very different time then. I really love
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it for sure, But that that tornado was really things
shook me up a little bit.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
So when that phone call did ring in between the
thunder and lightning, what was that moment like, because MANI
Austin for and Jonathan Gann and we're talking on Wednesday,
and they said, just how much that's one of their
favorite parts about is when they're able to deliver that call.
What was it like to be on the receiving of it?
Speaker 10 (26:00):
Oh, man, I love the first ball guy goes hey, hey,
roy Man. Some guy up there. And he wasn't one
of the regular basketball players that was there, because you know,
in the basketball player sometimes there was a few of them.
The baseball players was up there too because there were
so many, I guess more base pro players, and so
they had a couple of.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Rooms over there.
Speaker 10 (26:21):
He comes up and says, hey, Roy Green, there's some
guy here saying he wants to talk to you.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
And he says it was some team or something.
Speaker 6 (26:29):
I'm like, whoa man?
Speaker 1 (26:32):
And I was going up there.
Speaker 5 (26:34):
Four to three was put in the.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Star get up to that third level.
Speaker 6 (26:38):
Well, for those who aren't familiar, you're Saint Louis Sports
Hall of Fame. The description says, quite simply, Roy Green
was the most versatile player of his time in the NFL.
For example, three times in nineteen eighty one, you both
caught and intercepted a pass in the same game that
that is just truly remarkable.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (27:00):
In fact, here's Bruce Arians, former Cardinals head coach, right,
and here's what he had to say to you about
you and your skill set.
Speaker 11 (27:06):
Roy Green, Oh heck yeah, man, have fit in any offense.
You know, jet streams as good as it gets. Well,
he was so versatile. You know, he had that outside speed,
but he could play in the slot. He could do
a lot of things as tough as nails. I don't
know too many young players today that are like him,
that had everything, smart, tough, He hit all the things
you're looking for in a football player.
Speaker 6 (27:25):
And as the story goes, Jim Hannafin had you running
with the receivers and pretty much you realized, wait a minute,
he might be our best receiver. And then boom, a
couple of years later, you were a full time receiver
and making Pro Bowls. So let me ask you, how
realistic is it that Travis Hunter possibly the number two
pick in this draft, the Heisman winner, who, according to
(27:45):
Travis Hunter, some teams had come in. He comes in
for these top thirty visits. They say, go meet with
the offensive coaches first. Other teams say, no, go meet
with the defensive coaches. First, I mean, how feasible is
it he could play both.
Speaker 10 (27:56):
Spots, Kenny, Yes, no question he can, but for how long?
It's very taxing, taxing for sure, and it's tough. I
mean not just the physical part. I mean when you
look at the whole situation. You know, most players are
going to have about fifty five sixty plays, you know,
(28:19):
offensively or defensively. But when you go in, guys, you're
playing one hundred and some plays. Huh, it kind of
makes sense that Wait a minute, he's playing basically two
games every time you're playing one. So eventually it's gonna
wear you down. And when you're in a game, say
when you see guys at the offense, they're going to
(28:40):
have play comes back off the field and they're on
the sidelenes. Everybody's gathering together and they're talking about making
some adjustments and all this. But if you're playing a
defense at the time, you don't hear this, you don't
make the adjustments. It could be Okay, we're gonna change
this call or how we do this. You don't get
that when you're on the team, right.
Speaker 6 (29:01):
It's great point.
Speaker 10 (29:02):
So it's a very very difficult time, but it's no
question that if you come and say, first of all,
you got to depend what is he primarily going to be?
What is that going to be? I don't know because
I haven't seen enough of him whether he's a better
receiver or a better cornerback player. But if he's a
(29:22):
better cornerback player, I wouldn't even think about offense. It's
very very to get a shut down corner. How hard
is that to get one? If he is that? Okay,
I can find a lot of receivers, but you can't
find that that guy that can go all over the
field and cover everybody. So that's what I would do
(29:43):
and give him a little package of maybe ten twelve
plays doing the offensive game.
Speaker 5 (29:49):
Sir Roy, we talked about the confidence that a cornerback
needs to have. Wide receivers have equally as much confidence
in a lot of cases, especially when it's those monoy
mono matchups. For you being on both sides of it,
considering your career, was it what you expected being able
to play both sides of the ball, or what was
it about it? Maybe now when you reflect on the
(30:10):
challenges or the experiences from along the way, what kind
of stands out about the ability to play on both sides.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Of the ball. The ability of me or for you.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
When you look back on your career, when you think
about those first handful of years when you do have
an interception into catching a game, what do you start
to think about?
Speaker 1 (30:28):
I think about my advantage.
Speaker 10 (30:32):
How did I do it and how did I jump
out to do it so quick and be successful? Was
the fact first and foremost. I loved it all the
way around football, Even before they even talked about me
playing on receiver. I would always listen to what the
receivers were talking to as we're doing one on one
drills or whatever. I listened to what the offensive coach
(30:53):
was saying to them. I heard about those things and
from when I moved to offense. The fact that I
was a defensive player first, because you have so many
adjustments to make with defense. The fact that you know
what they do on defense made it so so easier
for me to go to go to the receiver because
of about adjustments. You just go out there and play
(31:14):
receiver and had no idea even the rookie Saya receiver
comes in. Do you know how much things you got
to learn about? Sure, because of the adjustments to make,
But I had already knew about that, and I could
see how they line up exactly. I knew my adjustments
proudly before it. The funny thing is I would play
against the walls of the green and they'd be lining
(31:35):
up and up tighten all this, and I go just
go ahead and back up. Now I know you bailing, buddy.
I thought they just laugh, you know. So that's an
advantage for you. You know, you got to know as
much about you can about the about the other side
of the ball.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
Were you a trash talker on the field.
Speaker 10 (31:51):
Done?
Speaker 5 (31:52):
Never so, even though you knew what was kind of
going through your opposition's head, that wasn't something that you
tried to take advantage of in some ways.
Speaker 10 (31:59):
No, I would say couple things like that, but no,
it was ne a trash player. You know, it's very
different different time. You know, particularly for an offensive player.
You better not be talking trash because then they could
hit you in the head. I mean, they could punish you.
Now you see receivers now they do the you know,
all the things they can do because they know they're safe.
(32:22):
If you knew you weren't safe, I think it would
be a very different.
Speaker 6 (32:25):
Day when you shank a golf shot. You still blame
Ronnie Lott, don't you.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Oh that's the sucker. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 6 (32:33):
You know what's amazing that seventy nine draft, By the way,
Cardinals took Otis Anderson, absolute freak factor right as the
running back in first round. Their final pick in round seven.
Just take a flyer and some guy named Kirk Gibson,
the two time Baseball MVP. Kirk Gibson, who was an
All American flanker at Michigan State and when he was
(32:54):
the manager of the d Backs. I remember him telling
the story. He would work summers while he's going to
Michigan State. He worked the auto plant. On paycheck Friday,
he would challenge guys to a race in the parking
lot because he.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
Could really run.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Yes he could.
Speaker 6 (33:07):
He was a big dude and nobody could believe he
could really run. And he took a lot of paychecks
off a lot of guys on Fridays.
Speaker 10 (33:13):
Especially a lot of black guys. You know where the
brother baking No way, Okay, give me my money.
Speaker 6 (33:24):
But speed still kills in this game, doesn't it. Speed
still kills? And Travis Hunter has.
Speaker 10 (33:30):
That it's always an advantage without course, so you man,
there's a defensive back. I don't care who you are,
how confident you are. The first thing you think about.
I can't give the big one, you know. And if
you know a guy can run four to two, four
to three, you know whoa you know, I better be
ready when this guy comes up. Yeah, it's a very
(33:50):
advantage for the speed. I mean it's great for a coordinator.
It's easy to call plays if you got a guy
that knows the defense is always worry about this guy
may get six. You kind of know where they're gonna
roll up. Who's gonna get to single, who's gonna get
to double? Those kinds of things. Yes, speed, as they say,
speed keells.
Speaker 5 (34:10):
It's why a lot of Whye receivers right now are
mocked to the Cardinals because Matthew Golden of four three forty.
When you have somebody that's able to do I mean
we're staying in the room with one right now. Paulwin
y receiver is able to have that speed. It's attractive.
Speaker 6 (34:22):
Well, I'll tell you what we're gonna get into this
next with Marvin Harrison Junior. Intrigued by your thoughts earlier
that you think he's gonna have a breakout second season.
I want to get your thoughts on that. And it's
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(34:43):
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What is your two gonna be all about? Roy Jetstring
Green on this addition to the Big Red Rage presented
by Santan Ford in Gilbert.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
Shot Gun Snap Murray It throw a fade right side
of the end zone.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
On the money to Marvin Harrison Junior. Touchdown. What a
throw by Murray.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
That's his fourth touchdown pass, tying a career high.
Speaker 7 (35:16):
You can see that coming a mile away, Marvin Harrison
Junior one on one against the corner, and he went
ahead and ran the fade and sure enough, Kyler Murray
put it out there and Marvin Harrison Junior went and
got it.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
Tex Fitz and let him know that Marvin Harrison Junior
just tied his rookie record that's eight touchdown catches, tying
it with Ankwon, Bolden and Larry for most touchdown catches
by a rookie and team hisstery.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Pretty good company right there.
Speaker 6 (35:47):
Yeah, no doubt that's a double ding right there. Passion
Wolf on the call that was a season finale Marvin
Harrison Junior cap in a rookie campaign. Then, in terms
of the numbers, right up there among the all timers
in car Litt's history, as we name drop freyd Jetstream
Green on this edition of The Big Red Rage, speaking
all time receivers in Cardinals history. Paul Kelvey, c Zach
(36:08):
Gershman in for Wolf, And I mean, let's just let's
just go around the table here and just give me
your thoughts on the rookie campaign for Marvin Harrison Junior.
Because the numbers say one thing. I think the eyeball
test says another. And to me, it says there's still
plenty of upside and production that can be maximized. Would
you agree with that.
Speaker 10 (36:27):
Roy, Yes, I mean I can't even think of or no,
but I would probably think that his name his numbers
are probably the same.
Speaker 6 (36:35):
As fits were very close, yes, pretty close, very close.
Speaker 5 (36:39):
Ye, nearly identical to his father's.
Speaker 10 (36:43):
Yes, Hall of Fame for Yeah, so l that tells
you, you know, but you know he's a rookie. The other
thing I think that he should have preseason. You know
that two years of play makes a huge difference of
your first year. You know, an opportunity. I know, you
quarterbacks not gonna be there, but that's okay. You don't
have to really catch balls. But the fact that goal
(37:05):
again kind of understanding, you know, going against other guys,
you know, your adjustments, all this kind of thing is
gonna make you ahead when the first regular season came,
So you're always gonna be ahead of what you've done. Secondly, separation,
he's got to do a little more about separating his separation,
(37:27):
not about his routes. I think he's very impatient on
some of his routes because you know, when you're young,
you want to a young guy, Hey, I gotta get open.
I gotta get open. But you know you gotta be
patient to do that. And like I said, first and foremost,
I give him an eighth for this season for sure,
but because of the expectations of his ability, but he's
(37:48):
capable of doing. He's gonna always go his whole series
and say he should have been better, because that's what
they do the great.
Speaker 5 (37:54):
Great And that's exactly what Marvin Harrison Junior said at
the end of his rookie season. He said that it
wasn't what he expected for it to be. When you
have a guy coming in with the standards and the
weight of a franchise as a wide receiver, one as
you're on your shoulders and you not only have to
go up with the legacy of Larry Fitzgerald, the best
wide receiver that the Cardinals have had in history, but
you also have to go with your Hall of Fame father,
(38:15):
who you share a name with. There's a lot of pressure.
So Marvin could have had one thousand plus yards and
I'm surest people still would have said it wasn't what
they would expected for it to be the case. But
Marvin is the type of guy. We've heard from many
that he's been in the facility nearly every single day.
He's hungry and Roy you talked about how that first
season for a rookie, they're learning what it's like to
be in the league, and then that year two jump Paul,
(38:38):
It's interesting what that's actually gonna be like come next year.
Speaker 6 (38:41):
And look, he was very honest with the media. You know,
he said, in hindsight, he would have liked to have
played some more preseason reps. He got one series, he
got three snaps, didn't get a target. Kyler said recently
that Marvin told him, Yeah, that Week one game of Buffalo,
that was moving quick. I mean, things definitely slowed down
for him over the course of the year. Eight in
the season, last two games. He had a pretty good
(39:02):
finish to the year. And you know, he told the me,
I was running some different routes. So I think his
route tree became more polished, became more extensive, and then
of course, you know, your chemistry grows with your quarterback
and manti Asa for with our Danny Sirek at the
combine was talking about that, you know, I mean, look,
one plus one asked equal three. When you talk about
Kyler and Marvin Harrison Junior.
Speaker 9 (39:22):
Yeah, I think with Kyler and Marv, as with everybody
in our you know, our roster as a whole, like
everybody's competitive and the goal is to perform at a
high level, and those guys they want to do it
at a high level all the time, and so you know,
I know those guys are working hard. Those guys hooked
up on a lot of big plays, a lot of
explosive plays, scoring plays, and I know there's more to comment.
So I know those two are going to do what
it takes, along with the rest of our offense to
(39:45):
you know, make us more explosive, make us more multiple,
and continue to put our offense in a position.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
To score points.
Speaker 6 (39:50):
You know, there's a stat we have cited that when
it comes to chunk runs explosive run plays, the Cardinals
were top five in the league both ten plus and
twenty yard runs, but in terms of explosive pass plays,
the Cardinals are bottom third roy So there's definitely room
for improvement in that category, right the chunk throw.
Speaker 10 (40:07):
Of course, And you know it should be because you
just talked about how successful you are running your play
actions gotta be yep, way better because of that. Well,
not have to be, but I would like for it
to be. And you know, I think things that they're
gonna you know, because now they take a look at
(40:27):
what they've done this past season, every play and look
at it, and they're gonna get some opportunity. No, we're
gonna get more opportunities. Because of this.
Speaker 6 (40:35):
There's a there's a popular narrative the Cardinals should add
a speed receiver to this offense. To everybody, now take
the top off, what do you say about that?
Speaker 10 (40:44):
It's always a plus, baby, It's always a plus. And
it's very, very easier for the entire offense. You know,
my first two years at receiver, everybody had better number
because you know, they knew that as an opportunity that
you know, I might be over the top. So yeah,
(41:05):
you know, tight ends had more room. Other receivers got
more opportunities. So and you know, with doing that, it
makes tougher for the defenses to defend you also because
they're thinking about, hey, this guy any place, it might
be that time he's going. So let's really be very
(41:28):
careful on what we do defensively.
Speaker 5 (41:30):
Do I think the Cardinals need to take that speedy
wide receiver with their sixteenth overall pick, as I kind
of stated earlier, not to be the case, but just
to imagine what a speed wide receiver would do for
this offense. Because you already have Trey McBride, the highest
paid tight end in the NFL's history, you know what
you're gonna be expecting from Marvin Harrison Junior. In year
(41:51):
number two, Michael Wilson showed some flashes in that wide
receiver two spot. What is your number three going to
look like? For him? But if you have a speed
wide receiver that could really rounded out while you also
have a bull horse running back like James Connor Man Paul,
the opportunity and the options for Kyler Murray are truly
potentially could be endless. Come twenty twenty five.
Speaker 6 (42:13):
You know there was a guy, and you remember Roy
round three, John Brown, who came in about ten years
ago for Bruce Arians and really made an impact. Came
in and you know he's sort of an unknown, but
he ran a legit four three to one, and you're right,
he really did create a lot of opportunity for a
lot of other receivers.
Speaker 5 (42:31):
Correct.
Speaker 10 (42:32):
Yes, yes, I'm saying it makes a huge difference. It
makes it easier for everyone offensively with that question, I
wouldn't be upset if they did. But you know, as
an offensive player, yeah, get a receiver, get a fast
receiving doesn't make easier for me. But as a team player,
I think there might be some other places that can
(42:53):
help us.
Speaker 6 (42:54):
From the team here's the other thing of Marvin Harrison Junior,
the contested catch, which is so critical in the NFL.
Let's face it, Ohio State as an All American I mean,
he was so dominant. How often did he have to
make a contested catch when he's just schooling guys in college.
So I think, you know, how do you how do
you learn that in practice? You really don't. You can't
practice that way, not in today's NFL. So really, the
(43:16):
contested catch you have to learn on the job. And
I expect him to be a lot better in that
in year two. What's your expectation in that regard?
Speaker 10 (43:23):
Well, you always get better at what you do. You
know at the time, you always do. And because of that,
you know, is everyone around him understands and they see
him and they hear him that he works, he wants
to be better, and because of everything he has and
wanting to be better, it's going to be okay.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
I promise you it's going to be okay.
Speaker 5 (43:46):
The one thing I hope for with Marvin Harrison Junior
when it comes to those contested catches is he had
a tendency to try to catch with his body, catch
with his chest, and that made it tough because defenders
had no problem swatting the ball away because they were
waiting for it to get into the into his chest.
Marvin's a lanky kid, and if he has the ability
to go out and pick the football and ring it
in like that way, Roy, how much of a as
(44:08):
a wide receiver? The instincts and when you know you
have a defensive back on your back right there and
that fifty to fifty balls coming your way, is the
instincts to just let it go with the body or
go out and pick it.
Speaker 10 (44:20):
You know, the toughest catch there is people may not
believe is the one right in the middle, because as
a receiver, you know, when it's above your waist, your
hands are gonna be up. When it's below there, your
hands is gonna be under. But when it's right there,
guys started to think, oh is it over under? That's
(44:41):
where the mistake comes.
Speaker 6 (44:43):
Makes a lot of sense. That's a guy who's been
there and done that in a glorious career. His name
is up on the stadium for a reason. In the
Ring of honor. Roy, we really enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
Thank you, hey, thank you guys. We really appreciate it.
Speaker 10 (44:54):
But make sure that Marvin better give my granddaughter Mariah
a jersey because been one one full of rock.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
That's good. That's right.
Speaker 6 (45:02):
And go to the Cardinals team shop because they are
on sale. That's that is a great close. In fact,
you want to learn about luxury seating as well. Easycardinals
dot com slash tickets for Zach Gershman, Roy green On,
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