February 27, 2025 • 45 mins
Ep. 705 - With the annual Scouting combine underway in Indianapolis, it's time to check in with some of the experts who evaluate players on a year-round basis. Paul Calvisi and Ron Wolfley react to interviews given by NFL Network analysts Daniel Jeremiah and Charles Davis. They both identify the strengths of the 2025 draft class especially on the defensive line. Is that where the Cardinals will go with the 16th overall pick? Plus, free agency is right around the corner. We hear from GM Monti Ossenfort and head coach Jonathan Gannon on the key to roster building.
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Speaker 7 (01:00):
The Fjord, Well, you know, the NFL combine is well underway.
When even the NFL insiders are squaring off, I mean
you talk about competitive fire around wolf Lee, Ian Rapaport
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NFL luminaries, how about in this edition, we're gonna hear
a quna with Daniel Jeremiah from the Combine, Charles Davis,
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and then manti acit Fort and Jonathan ganneron wollfully all
meeting the media. We're going to get into it. The Combine,
the draft, free agency. The off season is off and running,
is it not.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Yeah, there's no doubt about it, Bully, and especially this
time of year too. You know when you get to
the Combine, you know, oh my goodness, the off season
is truly kicking in now. I know, we still have
the league gear, the new year league gear coming up
ahead of us where free agency is going to kick
in as well. But man, right now, whenever the combine
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opens its doors and the NFL descends and US sends
on Indianapolis, man, it's always a very very exciting time.
Speaker 7 (02:45):
So working out today, we're talking the forty yard dash,
we're talking agility drills. The three cone is the defensive line,
and maybe fitting the D line is leading things off
because it might be the deepest position group in this
year's NFL scouting combine. In fact, to start the week,
Daniel Jeremiah tweeted out that of the top fifty prospects,
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fifteen of them in his rankings are either D linemen
or edge rushers. And then you look at NFL network
and you look at the televised coverage and by the way,
last year record TV ratings for combine coverage on the
NFL network, and you can't help but see new Cardinals
D line coach, coach debo, our guests last week, coach
Winston d Latti Boudair, who is working with the D
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lineman out on the field in Indianapolis.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
You know that is such an advantage of I always
thought that, Paully. I don't know about you, but I
always thought, man, that is such an advantage that you
have one of your coaches actually out on the field
at the combine looking at these guys up close and personal,
and not only that, but talking to these guys as well.
You know, they have some type of meeting where they're
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sitting in a room and they're saying, Okay, boys, this
is what we're going to do out here. They have
to do something to let them know exactly what their
drills are going to be, what they're going to add
asked them to do, and how they might want to
go about executing those drills. And to have a coach
that is right there and eyes up close and personal.
I always thought that was an advantage.
Speaker 7 (04:11):
You know what, Most mock drafts right now have Abduall
Carter going number one overall, the edge out of Penn State, who,
by the way, is not working out, and ESPN reporting
that test revealed a stress fracture in his foot. Agent
Drurozanow says, not a big deal. It doesn't even need surgery.
He's going to wait till his pro day to work out.
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I bring it up because abduall Carter. He told the
media quote, I feel like I'm the best player in
the country, and the best player should be picked first.
So he's owning his status as potentially the number one
pick overall.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
You know, I think, honestly, PAULI, when you look at
abduall Carter, I think he's right. I think he's right.
And he happens to play a position where there is
a premium on that position in the NFL, and that
is edge and Abdul Carter, of course, we all know
he had a stretch stress fracture in his foot. I
don't know why that was so difficult to actually say that,
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But it looks like he's going to be okay. It
looks like he's going to select to bypass any type
of surgery. So we'll see how that goes for Abdul Carter.
But I don't think it's going to set him back.
I do believe he still will be taking number one overall.
Speaker 7 (05:24):
By the way, since two thousand and seven, the number
is three. Three defensive players have been chosen number one
overall since two thousand and seven. Jadavian Clowning twenty fourteen,
Miles Garrett twenty seventeen, Trayvon Walker twenty twenty two. By
the way, Trayvon Walker had none of the production that
Abdul Carter had this year when he had twelve sacks
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and he led the nation with twenty three and a
half tackles for loss. So there's that. Cardinals says, we
know we're picking number sixteen. Wolf. Are you aware that
in recent Cardinals history at number sixteen, the Cardinals have
selected twenty twenty one one linebacker Zaven Collins, two thousand
and eight, corner Dominique Rodgers Cromarty, and then your former
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teammate pro bowler Louise Sharp nineteen eighty two, when number sixteen.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Overall, I did not know that, Bully. Oh my goodness,
Louise Sharp. So many guys, so many people do not
truly understand what an awesome left tackle Louis Sharp was.
You know who did understand it, Paully. That was Lawrence Taylor.
If I told you, Paully that I was out at
the Pro Bowl a couple of years as a matter
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of fact, and Lawrence Taylor was walking around the locker
room as well, had the opportunity to get to know
LT a little bit right there and lt said, man
Louis Sharp was the guy that blocked him the best.
He told me that to my wow, I kid you.
Speaker 7 (06:48):
Not that that's something that will never show up in
a box score. That's the ultimate compliment, no doubt about that.
All right, So Cardinal's pig in sixteenth overall dead said,
right in the middle of the first round, And what
does that mean for the GM Moni asin fort here
he is at the combine this week.
Speaker 8 (07:03):
Certainly a different feel for us this year going in
this draft, you know, picking three and picking four, you know,
we could narrow down who is going to be sitting
there for us, and so gets a little bit harder
picking at sixteen. You know, I think the importance of
us staying flexible and just hey, you got to wait
and see what happens in front of us, and then
you got to wait and see what opportunities come your way,
and so you know those won't declare until a couple
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of hours into the event on Thursday night. But you know,
I think it just makes it adds a few more
variables into than what we've dealt with last couple of years.
Speaker 7 (07:32):
Do you have a gut feeling and what Moni might
do this year, especially since we've seen him do everything right.
We've seen him trade down, we've seen him trade up,
we've seen him stick and pick.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
What do you think at sixteen, Yeah, Paulie, it's all
going to depend on who might be there. Actually, if
you tell me that, you know you've got some guys
that are actually falling down the draft board, like I
would say a Jaalen Walker, if you tell me he's
falling down him. By the way, have you noticed how
many different NFL scouts that are out there, NFL analysts
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that really study the draft, how different each mock draft
is that is out there right now. There's a lot
of a lot of debate as to who are the
best edge rushers, who are the best defensive lineman interior
defensive lineman. But if you tell me a guy like
Jalen Walker might actually fall to number sixteen, I think
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that would matter to Manti ausin Ford. Having said that,
if nobody falls, I think he's probably gonna trade down
and collect more picks.
Speaker 7 (08:35):
Yeah, definitely see that. Mel Kiper two point oho this week,
Shamar Stewart out of Texas A and m going to
the Cardinals at sixteen. Bucky Brooks two point Oho NFL
dot com. Walter Nolan d Liman out of Ole Miss.
You have questions about the draft and draft prospects. I
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Speaker 2 (09:02):
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Speaker 6 (09:06):
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We are santan Ford, Paul Calvic, the aforementioned Ron wolf
Ley and well, sometimes you know it's that simple. You're
just looking for or a dirt liquor, right, somebody who
just can physically dominate another man. And then there is
all the data that twenty twenty five is all about.
(10:08):
And I bring that up because Next Gen Stats, in
conjunction with the NFL, has come out with what they
call a comprehensible form of player projection that they call
the Combine IQ. They released it to the public earlier
today on the NFL website. You can go click on it,
you can check it out. It's a dashboard. They're going
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to post all the results of all the drills and
then all the tracking data because these guys are wearing chips,
and they're going to put it into this player projection
model and grade everyone from fifty to ninety nine in
athleticism production and overall draft score because they're taking into
account their production from their college career as well. So
they're trying to model all this data going all the
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way back to two thousand and three. You can compare
players to the last twenty three years draft prospects and
see how each guy fares.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
You gotta be kidding me, Paul.
Speaker 7 (11:01):
It's all I know. Just you know it violates my
rule no math. Go to NFL dot com. It's pretty
dang impressive as to what they're doing right now.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Yeah, and you know what, Paul too, if you're talking
about Frank Caliendo, of course doing me and talking about
dirt liquors. Can I tell you right now that I'll
take Tyler Booker. I'll take him and I will run. Seriously,
if you tell me he's there at number sixteen and
you tell me that that is going to be where
the Arizona Cardinals would like to go, boy, I'll take
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that and I'll run.
Speaker 7 (11:32):
Well, look, there's a lot we don't know right now
about this combine in this draft. Right Who's going number
one overall? Who's going to be the top quarterback selected?
I mean, which position is Travis Hunter the heisman? We're
even going to play? He told the media today that
he'll play whatever position his drafting team wants him to play,
although he'd love to play both sides of the ball.
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So that's interesting there. Well, once again, you want to
go to resource our Craig Grielu, Danny Sirek Indianapolis at
the NFL Combine and they had a chance to catch
up with NFL dot Com Draft expert Daniel Jeremiah for
what has now become an annual interview.
Speaker 10 (12:09):
A year ago, when we spoke with you Cardinals with
the fourth overall pick, you called it the pole.
Speaker 11 (12:13):
Position in the draft.
Speaker 10 (12:15):
Now at sixteen, what position do you call it?
Speaker 12 (12:19):
The sweet spot? Yeah, you're in the sweet spot. You
know you're in a good spot. I think this draft
is it's odd, it's weird. I will tell you, like
I migrating seal that I have that I use it.
I picked up back in Baltimore a million years ago.
There's a grade that's like a Pro Bowl player grade,
so you know that what you're saying, there's a high
likelihood that this player is going to be a Pro Bowler.
In last year's draft, I think there was maybe eighteen
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of them around there, seventeen eighteen.
Speaker 11 (12:45):
This year there's like seven.
Speaker 12 (12:47):
So I don't think this is a year you want
to be picking you know, eight, nine, ten, But I
think sixteen just back far enough where I think there's
some value to be had there.
Speaker 11 (12:54):
You're kind of in the middle of that pack.
Speaker 12 (12:56):
But you are in a deep defensive draft, especially along
the line scrimmage, You're going to.
Speaker 11 (13:01):
Get a really really solid player right there.
Speaker 13 (13:03):
That is music to the ears of Cardinals fans.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Defense Go figure, huh, Yes.
Speaker 13 (13:07):
I mean on the defensive line and on the edge,
those are areas of need for this Cardinals defense. What
do you see from those position groups with this draft class?
Speaker 12 (13:16):
Yeah, defensive tackles as deep as I can ever remember.
Speaker 11 (13:19):
I don't ever remember seeing a group this deep.
Speaker 12 (13:21):
You know, last year I had twelve players that I thought,
you know, had starting potential at defensive tackle this year
at twenty four, so I don't ever remember seeing anything
like that. So it's not only there in the first round,
but out all throughout the draft you can find defensive
tackles that have an opportunity to develop into starters and then.
Speaker 11 (13:37):
Edge rusher wise.
Speaker 12 (13:38):
It's a great debate to have, and I'm sure they're
going to have it within the walls of the building
in Arizona, which is we've got traits, We've got long, rangy,
explosive guys, and then we've got production We've got some
guys who maybe don't have all those traits, but man,
they really know how to win and rush. So you
know that's going to be a classic kind of debate
to rage on there and see which direction they go.
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But I do know they're going to have an option
get a Day one starter at either defensive tackle or
at edge rusher if that's the direction they want to go.
Speaker 10 (14:05):
Because of that depth, could you see a team, whether
it's the Cardinals or someone else, address a different position,
say at sixteen for the Cardinals, and didn't take that
defensive tackle, defensive lineman, or edge rusher at forty seven
or later.
Speaker 12 (14:19):
On, Well, I would say I would use the lesson
of Philly, which is there's nothing wrong.
Speaker 11 (14:25):
With taking two.
Speaker 12 (14:27):
You want to go shopping for a dtackle in the
first round, swing around, take another one in the fourth round,
Go do it.
Speaker 11 (14:32):
I don't think you have to pick.
Speaker 12 (14:33):
I think you can say that's where the strength of
this draft is, so I don't necessarily think of it. Well,
there's so many of them. I can avoid one here
and come get one later. I say, just double up.
There's a team that just won the Super Bowl that
was eight to nine deep. Along the defensive line, So
I think there's that there's some real value and going
that route.
Speaker 10 (14:51):
Are there the defensive tackles that you have the twenty
four that you have first round grades?
Speaker 11 (14:56):
Are they similar?
Speaker 10 (14:57):
Are there certain styles depending on what defensive you might
be running.
Speaker 11 (15:01):
Yeah, oh, all different flavors.
Speaker 12 (15:03):
But I would say there's more like there's more three
hundred plus pound guys that can do a little bit
of everything, Whereas in the past I felt like, man,
we've got some three hundred and thirty pound like just
phone booth like space eater, gobble block guys, and then
we've got some two hundred and eighty five two hundred
ninety pound upfield rushers.
Speaker 11 (15:21):
This draft I don't remember.
Speaker 12 (15:22):
I mean, we have so many three hundred and ten,
three hundred and fifteen pound guys that can penetrate, get
up the field, but are also strong enough to anchor
a double team like versatile versatile guys.
Speaker 13 (15:31):
Cardinals have a handful of pending free agents, starting on
the offensive line. What do you see from this offensive
line class.
Speaker 12 (15:38):
I don't think that there's the premier guys, which is
not going to matter where it's sixteen, they would be
gone anyway. If there were premier guys. But I do
think along the interior there's some depth where you can
get guys day two, in the maybe early day three.
Speaker 11 (15:52):
Offensive tackle wise, I think it's a little.
Speaker 12 (15:54):
Bit of a shallow pool, so that those guys, I think,
you know, once you get through the really the first round,
it's gonna be hard to find a starting tackle outside
the first round.
Speaker 10 (16:03):
Is this where, all of a sudden, maybe this draft
is done the headline names, but maybe where you could
develop or add pieces to fortify both sides.
Speaker 12 (16:11):
Yeah, that's what it is. It's a meat and potatoes draft.
It's a draft where you're finding starters, not stars, and
it is at the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 11 (16:19):
That's where you're gonna find guys.
Speaker 12 (16:20):
And to me, I look at differently from the offensive
line of the defensive line. Offensive line wise, I'm a
firm believer and you're as strong as your weakest guy.
You don't want to have, as I refer to him
as a tomato can. You know you can't have four
Hall of Famers in a tomato can, because a tomato
can is gonna get you quarterback hit every single time.
So upgrading the back end of your offensive line, I
think there's value, whereas on the defensive line, I think
you're chasing impact. You're chasing guys who can really make
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a difference and win one on one and make some
disruptive plays.
Speaker 11 (16:47):
And I think we have those guys.
Speaker 12 (16:48):
So it's kind of a floor offensive line draft, and
I think there's some ceiling along the defensive line this year.
Speaker 7 (16:55):
There you go, Daniel Jeremiah from Cardinals Cover too. You
can catch the entire interview and it's great stuff. Cardinals
Cover two, Azycardinals dot Com, wherever year podcasts. It posted today.
Tomorrow is going to be Charles Davis. We're going to
preview that coming up a little bit later in this
edition of The Big Red rage Are Combine Edition presented
by Santan Ford in Gilbert. What stood out to you
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the most there on all those different topics and all
the insights from Daniel Jeremiah, just.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
All of the line of scrimmage Bully for the most part,
the conversation about depth from day one in terms of
finding guys that can play on the line of scrimmage
offensively and defensively. Right now, I can't get over at
Bully because the blood sport is back in the National
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Football League.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
It is.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
It's no longer a situation where the spread has taken over.
You know how I feel about this. It has come
back to the game of football once again. Think about
the emphasis that is now placed on a running back
and having a great rushing attack. Think of the Philadelphia Eagles. Okay,
they've just won the Super Bowl. Of course, they ran
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the ball over six hundred times this season, over six
hundred times. That was number one in the National Football League. Now, listen,
I understand Jalen Hurts pulling the ball down. There was
an awful lot of that. But anyone who watched any
tape on the Eagles, you know, they lined up and
they gave the ball to Saquon Barkley, of course, and
they ran the ball in that offensive line. Football is
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now once again played on the line of scrimmage offensively
and defensively. And you know, all the other teams in
the National Football League they love to rip off whoever
wins the Super Bowl. And looking at the Philadelphia Eagles,
that is where their team is built, on the line
of scrimmage, and I think that's back in vogue.
Speaker 7 (18:47):
You know, you don't go to a steakhouse in order
the tofu right. So if this draft is just utterly
deep in defensive lineman, I like the question about you know, hey,
do you go O line and run and then maybe
load up in round two and three on D line
because it's so deep, And Daniel Jeremiah's response was, well,
why don't you just double up at sixteen and forty seven?
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Maybe you go D line? To your point, because the
Eagles were senting pass rushers and defensive linemen in waves
all the way to a Lombardi Trophy. And you know what,
you have free agency coming up. It starts in less
than two weeks. Trey Smith wasn't the only potential free
agent guard on the market today. Kansas City, the Chiefs
franchise tag their young Pro Bowl offensive guard Tray Smith,
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so he's not going to be available, but they're about
a half dozen other dudes who could be plug and
play guys who are proven starting caliber offensive guards, and
as Maniasiford told the media this week, you want to
enter any draft with the ability to play a game.
Before you go in and even look at your draft board,
you want to have a roster so you're not in
dire need of a particular position. So if the Cardinals
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at least have enough to be feasible and viable on
the offensive line going into this draft, yeah, I you
can see him loading up at sixteen and forty seven
on the defensive line.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
No, I'm with you on that, Paul, seriously. And once again,
if there is a position that I truly value in
terms of free agency, it's the offensive line.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
It is.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Now, can you overpay for a certain guy? Of course
you can overpay, But to me, Paul, for the most part,
you can see what an offensive lineman is doing. You
can see him compete against NFL caliber defensive linemen and linebackers.
You can actually watch him. And there's a huge body
of work for most of these free agents, of course,
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a huge body of work that you can study and
examine and really come to a conclusion that this guy
is exactly what we need. He's a perfect fit for
our offense because of AB and C defensive lineman Sometimes,
even in the NFL, sometimes you'll see a defensive lineman
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get paid, and then when he gets paid, what happens
a lot of times some of that production will drop off,
and I think it's because they're just not as hungry
as they once were. Offensive linemen, for the most part,
are built a little bit differently, and I like looking
at NFL offensive linemen blocking NFL defensive linemen. I like
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looking at that. Now when it comes to the draft,
I like looking at college prospects on the defensive line
more than the offensive line, because I think you've got
to project with the offensive line more. You got to
project with a young guy as to whether or not
he's going to make the mental adjustment to being an
offensive lineman in the NFL. And it's not as easy
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as you may think.
Speaker 7 (21:42):
I've seen a lot of these insiders in these draft
analysts and the experts at the combine this week. Compare
the potential of this D line draft class to twenty
nineteen when Nick Bosa went, Quinn Williams, Christian Wilkins, Jeffrey Simmons,
Brian Burns, Dexter Lawrence, and the Cardinals even got Zach
Allen in round three. So if it's that sort of draft,
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I think then the question becomes, you know, a Kenneth
Grant from Michigan, right, all the measurables, but what's the
motor like Shamar Stewart, Crazy measurables and athleticism. But where's
the production. How do you weigh that? Well, if the
potential and the measurables versus that production in college?
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Yeah, you know, once again, it is a production, Paul,
that is it. I mean a projection, not a production.
It is a projection. And because of that, you really
don't know so much of this, Polly comes down to
the individual himself. And that's the reason why the interviews
are huge at the Combine.
Speaker 7 (22:38):
I heard it said, in fact, it was field Yates
earlier today on ESPN. This is a great draft for
front offices that know what they're doing. Interesting. We'll get
more insights from Charles Davis. He's with Cardinals cover two
when we come back. In this edition Combine edition of
the Big Red Rage presented by Santan Ford in Gilbert.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
Shot gunna snap Murray to throw a fade right side
of the end zone. I'm the money to Marvin Harrison Junior.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Touchdown.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
What a throw by Murray. That's his fourth touchdown pass,
tying a career high.
Speaker 5 (23:16):
You can see that coming a mile away, Marvin Harrison
Junior one on one against the corner, and he went
ahead and ran the fade and sure enough, Kyler Murray
put it out there, and Marvin Harrison Junior went and got.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
It Tex Fitz and let him know that Marvin Harrison
Junior just tied his rookie record. That's eight touchdown catches,
tying him with Ankwon, Bolden and Larry for most touchdown
catches by a rookie and Team Histery.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Pretty good company right there.
Speaker 7 (23:48):
No doubt, I mean the numbers were there yet. I
think anybody who watched Cardinals football in twenty twenty four
there is serious upside still in store from Arvin Harrison Junior.
Agree or disagree with that.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Ron Wolflinck, no doubt about it, Bully.
Speaker 7 (24:04):
It is a big Red rage Our Combine edition presented
by santan Ford and Gilbert We are santan Ford. We're
gonna hear from Charles Davis. CBS analysts always look forward
to that, but Wolfe was interesting to hear. Jonathan Gannon
at the podium is fifteen minutes with the media this week,
bring up on his own Trey Benson and at what
sort of leap he thinks Trey Benson is going to
take from his first to his second year. If I
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gave you a choice, between Marvin Harrison Junior, Trey Benson,
Max Melton, who I thought had a really strong finish
to his rookie year, and Isaiah Adams, who we know
puts some good stuff on film and has been in
the weight room basically every single day since the end
of last season. If you had to pick one of
those guys to really excel from year one to year two,
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who do you think is going to take the biggest step,
the biggest leap.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Oh my goodness, Polly, I'm gonna go with Marvin Harrison Junior.
But you know I'm in the danger zone when it
comes to Marvin Harrison Junior. I just this guy. Expectation
for him was so incredibly high coming in as a rookie.
It was really something that I think was inappropriate. I
should not have had that type of expectation put on
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a rookie coming in trying to be wide receiver one,
and I reject myself in front of King and country
for actually doing it. But I do believe in what
is going to happen next year. The fact that you've
got Manti asin Fort and JG who believe that a
rookie comes in and his growth from year one to
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year two is going to be significant. They believe that
that is dogma and if it doesn't appear, if you
don't have that growth, then you know what you might
be moved off of. I think with Marvin Harrison Junior,
of course, being selected as high as he is, there's
no way in the world they'd ever move off no
matter what happens next year or this coming season. But
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I can tell you right now that because of the
workout that he has and because of the talent that
he has, those two things are going to come together.
He cares about his job. I don't think there's going
to be a bigger improvement from any rookie to year
two than Marvin Harrison Junior.
Speaker 7 (26:13):
And you know what, he's competitive. When you see him
on the field, you do realize how competitive he is.
So when he sees Malik Neighbors and Brian Thomas juniors,
the two all rookie wide receivers, I'm thinking, I'm thinking
that's motivating, that's going to fuel him this offseason. But
I'm with you, guiltiest charge. A year ago at this time,
I'm like, oh boy, you take Marvin Harrison Junior number four,
just pencil him in Jamar Chase rookie season, Justin Jefferson
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rookie season, Pro Bowl campaigns. And it's not always that easy,
it's not always that quick getting that sort of success
in the NFL. No one knows that better than Charles Davis, right,
CBS analyst and draft guru. And there he was in
Indianapolis and joining Cardinals. Cover two are Craig Rielou and
Danny Serek with Charles Davis.
Speaker 10 (26:56):
You got free agency, got the drafts, yep. So for you,
your analyst had on. When you see the Arizona Cardinals
coming up in twenty twenty five, what do you want
to see?
Speaker 2 (27:06):
I wrote some notes down.
Speaker 9 (27:07):
I hope that's okay, perfect.
Speaker 13 (27:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (27:11):
Defensively, who's your wreckord that's going to go? Get a quarterback?
Can you get an edge guy? Know bj Ojalari? Can
he come back from injury? But you know that's like
coming back from knees oftentimes it's the second year and
not the first year. But can you have those people
who can put into pressure? I wrote down edge, I
wrote down interior defensive line continue to get better and stronger. There,
wide receiver, continue to supplement around. I think there'll be
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a breakout for Marvin Harrison, I really do. I think
he's going to continue to go. I thought Michael Wilson
had a nice year last year, offensive front, offensive guard,
offensive tackle. I think they've done a nice job and
it seems to me they like big people, right. That
seems to be where they want to go with this,
with how they want to run the football with James
Connor and crew, I think this is a draft that
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has a lot of big offensive linemen in it that
they can plug in and go and listen. I don't
mind playing the young offensive lineman. I think a lot
of people worry about that. Sometimes it can bite you.
Kansas City struggled because they drafted Kingsley's so Ma Tayya
out of BYU in the second round, hoping he would
be their left tackle. Didn't happen, and you guys know
what happened from there, because Joe Toney is at all
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Pro guard, he's not an all Pro tackle, and it
killed him.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
In the Super Bowl.
Speaker 13 (28:19):
A bright spot for the Cardinals defense was the secondary,
especially that back half of the season, and you got
to see it now. Cardinals defense was some of the
best in keeping opponents out of the end zone. A
league low ten passing touchdowns allot on the last eleven games.
A lot of young faces though in that group, especially
in the cornerbacks room. What positives did you see from
that room specifically for the Cardinals for the future and
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what that's going to look like.
Speaker 9 (28:43):
Yeah, you saw the growth, You saw the stature. Sighting
gives you a lot more confidence of what's going on
back there. I think that they can walk into that
room now and realize we are not just Buddha Baker
and a bunch of other people. And I think with
Nick Rollis's way of playing, they're able to make plays,
be quicker to the football, see it in front of them,
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and do it. And I can't wait to see what
their improvement's going to be. And I can't wait to
see what competition many Austin for it brings in for
him too, because he's not gonna stand.
Speaker 10 (29:13):
Pat When you look at the Cardinals wide receivers. You
brought Marvin, you brought Michael Wilson, What are you seeing
from them that gives you belief that, Okay, there's something there?
Because as a defensive back, they make it difficult for
me to defend two things.
Speaker 9 (29:31):
Size post catch, I gotta go through this big body,
strong physically Harrison Wilson. And then when they do catch it,
I gotta get them on the ground. If I don't
get him on the ground, I got a problem. That's
the key. But that's why, that's what I see with
these receivers. And obviously Trade McBride is your ultimate example,
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even though he's a tight end. But I'm counting the
tight ends with receivers more and more of these days.
Speaker 7 (29:58):
It's funny that reminds me the great quote from Ben
Steele not too long ago, the tight Ends coach about
Trey McBride in the entire tight end room, if you
don't block, then you're just a slow receiver, which is
one of our favorites right there, and Trey McBride the
complete tight end. Something you've been on about Charles Davis
there from the combine with Danny Surak and Craig Grielou.
You can catch the whole entire interview starting on Friday,
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Cardinals cover two. All right, Wolf, just general takeaways from
what you heard there from NFL Networking CBS analyst Charles Davis.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Yeah, I love that right there where you said defensively,
who's your wrecker. Who is that guy? And there are
a lot of teams out there that do whether he's
on the edge or he's an interior defensive lineman, a
three technique or a combination thereof Right there? Who is
the wrecker for the Arizona Cardinals. Now listen, Darius Robinson.
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He could possibly be that wrecker at some point in time,
but he's got to prove that he is that guy.
Pj Ojalai you heard him actually acknowledge him. Yeah, you
know what this guy could promising, but once again, a
young guy that's got to prove it. I thought immediately
of Kenneth Grant and Mason Grant. I thought of those
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two guys specifically three techniques defensive tackles in interior defensive
lineman from Michigan. Those two guys, Kenneth Grant and Mason Graham.
I really really love their play. And I think Kenneth
Grant in particular, a guy that I know might have
some questions from time to time, but he's a big dude.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Man.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
He's three hundred and forty two pounds. A lot of
people say he doesn't have the motor that you'd like
to see. But for me, watching what I've seen of
Kenneth Grant and what I've read on him. That guy
right there, I'll take him and I'll plug him in immediately.
Speaker 7 (31:47):
And you know what, if there's a couple of things
we've learned about mante Ossiborne, Jonathan gannon A. They only
want players who are deadly serious about football and be
for the most part, they believe it's a big man's game. Yes,
and we've seen those two shall we say tenants in
each and every draft pick virtually is that's how they
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screen guys, and when given the option, they will go
that direction, will they not?
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Yeah, no, they will definitely do that. Paully can I
also say this. I loved his comment on I don't
mind playing young offensive linemen that I agree with, but
the Paris Johnson juniors man, that is the exception to me. Yeah,
it's the exception.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
And not the rule.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
For the most part. It's what I was talking about
in regard to free agency. I like offensive linemen who
have played in the league. I like looking at them
up against NFL defensive lineman not just in one game,
not just in ten games, but in three years of
watching this guy play against that caliber of a defensive lineman.
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I think it gives you a better footing as to
what he could actually do when it comes to projecting
a player into your offense and the kind of production
you might be able to get out of him. I think,
once again, offensive lineman making that transition into the NFL,
it typically takes them a couple of years, just like
Paris Johnson Junior. I think it's taken him a couple
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of years right now. But I like free agents. That's
what I like in terms of offensive lineman. But I
like the fact that Charles said he didn't mind taking
a young offensive lineman.
Speaker 7 (33:27):
And if it isn't Tyler Booker out of Alabama at
number sixteen, and a lot of mock drafts have Miami
the Dolphin snagging him at thirteen, then there's at least
three other offensive guards I was looking that might make
sense if you trade down in the first round or
perhaps at number forty seven in round two. So I
wouldn't be shocked if that's the direction the Cardinals go.
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Is interesting. Darius Robinson came up there, and Jonathan Gannon
at the combine this week said he was never totally
healthy the entire season. Yeah, and you know what, he
was never off the injury part all year. So what
does that mean for year two for d Rob And
then when it comes to defensive linemen and edge rushers
in particular, I have the quote in front of me
JG talking in the media. He said, you know what,
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being disruptive in the passing game, that's the first thing
I look for. And when you look at our defense,
hit zoom out. JG saying that's the way we can
improve is to disrupt the quarterback a little bit better
than we did last year. Said that's how we take
the next step. He called it as a defense, and
then he said, acquisition is a way you could help that,
whether it's free agency or the draft, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
You know, for me, Paulie, once again, what's the next
step for the Arizona Cardinals For me? Be able to
rush for and drop seven. You've heard me talk about
this before in the past, Pauli, but it's so critical
and I think you saw it in Super Bowl fifty
nine as well. The ability to be able to rush
for and get pressure on a quarterback and drop seven
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and the impact that it truly has on that quarterback.
If you can get to that point, man, you are
way ahead of the game right now. And Nick Rowlis
did a great job scheming up pressures for the Arizona Cardinals.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Doing a great job with that.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
But man, I want to see this team get to
a point where they have four guys that they can
line up and rush the passer and drop seven. But
that starts, Paul with having one guy that you can
really count on to do that, and then you get
to and.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Then move on.
Speaker 7 (35:27):
You're absolutely right. I mean, how often did Nick Rowless
last year play mad scientists?
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Right?
Speaker 7 (35:32):
Oh yeah, we called it eleven card pickup where you
didn't know who was playing what position. That was out
of necessity in a lot of times. So what if
you can just rush for and drop seven? The possibilities
are endless. Hey, learn more about Cardinals season tickets, all
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Speaker 4 (36:00):
Give to cook up the middle and he's tackled at
the line of scrimmage by Mac Wilson making his Cardinal debut,
gets a tackle for a loss.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 5 (36:09):
Mack Wolson Senior shot the gap and made the play.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Ron played of the right.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
Cook wrapped up and dropped in the backfield by Wilson.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
Incredible job by mack Wilson Senior coming from the.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Backside of the play. Huge play by mack Wilson.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
Sor pressure up the middle, pass batt down by Wilson
at the line incomplete. Mac Wilson jumped up into the air,
got a hand on it, hands it off for Cook
and he's cut down at the twenty yard line. Mac
Wilson with the hit. Big hit by the Cardinal newcomer,
Mac Wilson.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Senior getting a little grease right there. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (36:46):
Well, if you and a day, Pash called his number,
called his name quite a bit this past season. An
outstanding free agent signing by Mania support and the Cardinals.
If you flash back to the free agent class twenty
twenty four, we also had Sean Murphy bunting at corner
DJ Dallas. You had Justin Jones, Blall and Nichols along
that defensive line. Both expected to have big rebound years
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this year. Evan Brown Jonah Williams. But once again, MacWilson Senior,
what you saw in film and New England right that projection,
it was almost like a college draft pick in some
ways because he was used sparingly and really the only
final month plus of the season for the Patriots. But
what you saw in that four or five game span, Man,
did he build on that over a seventeen game season
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for the Arizona Cardinals.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Yeah, No, I'm with you on that, Polly, Seriously, I
think MacWilson Sr. Is going to be a very very
important piece to what the Arizona Cardinals defense does this year.
Can I also say, though, going back to Blown Nichols
and Justin Jones, those two guys right there, Paully, I
really do believe are going to come back this year
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and have a little bit more focus, if you know
what I mean, a little bit more impetus to actually
go out there and re establish themselves on this roster.
And one of the reasons why I say that is
because I do expect the Arizona Cardinals to go out
there and bring some young guys in, whether it's through
free agency or whether it's going to be through the draft,
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whatever it may be. I do believe that the depth
on the defensive line is this is going to be
one of the better camp battles.
Speaker 7 (38:22):
I think Pauli and look what happened LJ. Collier two
years ago, right when he went down early in the season,
first game of the season twenty twenty three. Then he
really rebounded with a big year for the Cardinals and
that defensive front. So hopefully you figure that's in store
for Justin Jones, Ball Nichols. Here's Manias aboard the GM
the decision maker on building through free agency versus the
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draft this week at the combine.
Speaker 8 (38:46):
That's always a balance, right because you know, I think
we talk about, hey, when we get through free agency,
can we go out and play a game? Because I
think what we don't want to do is we don't
want to go into a draft and saying, hey, we
absolutely have to draft this position to fill this need.
You know, I think that's that's a tough place to
be in because you don't know who's going to be available.
You don't know if that player is ready to fill
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that role, right, And so I think that's a balance.
It's a balance of the roster building of hey, where
are we going to sink our resources free agency wise,
and then that opens up possibilities in the draft.
Speaker 7 (39:17):
And we've talked a lot about the line of scrimmage,
both D line, O line, and there could be free
agent signings, especially on the old line that are coming.
They're in store here in a couple of weeks. But
what about middle linebacker. You talk about mac Wilson Senior.
You got to talk about Kaizer White because last we
heard from those two guys, it was on social media,
Kaizer White posting thank you AZ at the end of
the year, and then MacWilson Senior responding, say, no, don't
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do this to me. Appreciate you for everything, Go get yours.
And so look, MANI was ahead of the curve and
getting deals done with Buddha Baker and James Connor and
Xavin Collins. I wonder if he tried to get a
deal done with Kaizer White. They didn't agree on a number.
And now Kaizer White is headed a free agency and
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what does that mean for the Cardinals when it comes
to the quarterback of your defense.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Boy, that is a tough one right there.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Paully.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
I know you have thoughts on this as well, but
just thinking of Kaizer White and the fact that Nick
Rawlis named his baby after him. You know, I think
that has an awful lot to do. I mean, the
respect that Nick Rawlis has for Kaizer White and JG
as well, and even Manti Ausen for it, there's no
denying it. The respect they have for Kaiser White cannot
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be measured, I think with human hands. Yet at the
same time, he's going to test the waters and sometimes, Paully,
that's the best thing you could possibly do. I know
that's something the Rams are doing right now with Matthew Stafford.
They're letting him go out there and see what kind
of deal will you be able to get out there
with somebody else, and then we'll talk about the possibilities.
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I wonder if that isn't what happened with Kaizer White
as well. I wonder if that wasn't a situation. And
again it's neither here nor there. I don't know, no,
but he's told me this. It's just me looking at
it from the outside in. I wonder if Mani Austin
for it. Hey, Kaizer, you go out there and you
try to get what you possibly can, and then we'll
tell you if we're interested in matching that offer.
Speaker 7 (41:13):
No, it's a very plausible theory. You flashed back two
years ago at this time. Jonathan ginn and obviously had
knowledge of Kaizer White from his days as the Eagles
defensive coordinator, right brought Kaizer over from Philly.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
Well.
Speaker 7 (41:26):
JG was asked about that this week at the combine.
Just having familiarity with certain free agents.
Speaker 14 (41:30):
Anytime you have like real time experience with a player,
you kind of kind of know a little bit. You know,
free agency is just like all players. There's a little
bit of unknown with all those guys. That decreases the
unknown with me because I was with him for a
couple of years. So we'll look at all the players
in free agency see if they fit us. I know
there's a money component to everything, but at the end
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of the day, we'll do what's best for us and
try to acquire guys that are going to help us win.
Speaker 7 (41:56):
And of course, the media followed up by saying, you know, coach,
when you defensive coordinator of Philly, you had a guy
by the name of Josh Sweat who starred in the
Super Bowl. You had a guy by the name of
Milton Williams defensive wrecking ball interior d line. So that
was sort of the genesis of that question. Now, those
two guys are going to be in high demand and
probably gonna get high dollars, I would imagine in the
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open marketplace.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
Yeah, it's gonna be really interesting to see what Josh
Sweat gets, PAULI, because he's going to be going into
his eighth year and it's not like Josh Sweat. It's
not like you looked at Josh Sweat and you thought
to yourself, man, this guy is one of the best
edge rushers in the history of the game or he now.
Has he done well? Of course he has. He's gone
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out there. He had eight sacks last year, the year
before that six and a half. He did have eleven
in twenty twenty two that was the most. But this
is a guy who's played seven years in the league
right now, will be going into his eighth year, and
it's not like he's done nothing but post double digit
sacks for the most part. So I have to won
at this point in time just how many offers he's
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going to get and what that offer will be. Now,
for me, I'm really really encouraged because I think Josh
Sweat might actually give the Arizona Cardinals a free agent discount,
if you will, because of JG and because of Nick Rawlis.
And we also know that the Cardinals looking at Josh
Sweat man, they have the price of admission, as JG
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likes to say, And knowing Josh Sweat, I would imagine
he feels really really good about possibly bringing him in here.
We'll have to wait and see how this unfolds, of course,
and it's all speculation, but I'm going to put the
Arizona Cardinals as possibly the front runner for Josh Sweat.
Speaker 7 (43:48):
Interesting, you know, the low key priority for Mania Saport,
maybe just because I've seen his name pop up on
a few lists of potential free agent pass rushers. Baron Browning, Yes,
still fairly young. I thought he finished with a flourish.
You know, we talked to JG on his TV show
every week. Once he got totally healthy, once he got
familiar with the defense, and he was playing and not thinking,
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and he had all his skills at his disposal, he
finished pretty strong, didn't he.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
Paully?
Speaker 2 (44:16):
How about this right here? Now?
Speaker 1 (44:18):
Listen, you know how I feel Pro football focus is
not the end all be all. It's not yet at
the same time, they had Baron Browning ranked number five
in terms of edge rushers in free agency.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
Wow, number five. Ball interesting to your point.
Speaker 7 (44:35):
Okay, So yeah, and I think you know what I
might have seen that. I think that was like the
second half of the season. They sort of took the
guys who made the biggest imprint on the game and defensively.
And yeah, so I'm curious how they value him, and
I'm curious if they get a deal done because his
money said this week, once you go to market, anything
can happen. Anyone can go and throw some big money.
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By the way, the best news for you Wolf, as
the NFL said today, they're trying to find a way
to bring on sidekicks. Yeah, baby back into the game.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
Hey, give me a call.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
I'll let you know.
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the draft, free agency. The off season is off and running,
is it not.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Yeah, there's no doubt about it, Bully, and especially this
time of year too. You know when you get to
the Combine, you know, oh my goodness, the off season
is truly kicking in now. I know, we still have
the league gear, the new year league gear coming up
ahead of us where free agency is going to kick
in as well. But man, right now, whenever the combine
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opens its doors and the NFL descends and US sends
on Indianapolis, man, it's always a very very exciting time.
Speaker 7 (02:45):
So working out today, we're talking the forty yard dash,
we're talking agility drills. The three cone is the defensive line,
and maybe fitting the D line is leading things off
because it might be the deepest position group in this
year's NFL scouting combine. In fact, to start the week,
Daniel Jeremiah tweeted out that of the top fifty prospects,
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fifteen of them in his rankings are either D linemen
or edge rushers. And then you look at NFL network
and you look at the televised coverage and by the way,
last year record TV ratings for combine coverage on the
NFL network, and you can't help but see new Cardinals
D line coach, coach debo, our guests last week, coach
Winston d Latti Boudair, who is working with the D
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lineman out on the field in Indianapolis.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
You know that is such an advantage of I always
thought that, Paully. I don't know about you, but I
always thought, man, that is such an advantage that you
have one of your coaches actually out on the field
at the combine looking at these guys up close and personal,
and not only that, but talking to these guys as well.
You know, they have some type of meeting where they're
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sitting in a room and they're saying, Okay, boys, this
is what we're going to do out here. They have
to do something to let them know exactly what their
drills are going to be, what they're going to add
asked them to do, and how they might want to
go about executing those drills. And to have a coach
that is right there and eyes up close and personal.
I always thought that was an advantage.
Speaker 7 (04:11):
You know what, Most mock drafts right now have Abduall
Carter going number one overall, the edge out of Penn State, who,
by the way, is not working out, and ESPN reporting
that test revealed a stress fracture in his foot. Agent
Drurozanow says, not a big deal. It doesn't even need surgery.
He's going to wait till his pro day to work out.
(04:32):
I bring it up because abduall Carter. He told the
media quote, I feel like I'm the best player in
the country, and the best player should be picked first.
So he's owning his status as potentially the number one
pick overall.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
You know, I think, honestly, PAULI, when you look at
abduall Carter, I think he's right. I think he's right.
And he happens to play a position where there is
a premium on that position in the NFL, and that
is edge and Abdul Carter, of course, we all know
he had a stretch stress fracture in his foot. I
don't know why that was so difficult to actually say that,
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But it looks like he's going to be okay. It
looks like he's going to select to bypass any type
of surgery. So we'll see how that goes for Abdul Carter.
But I don't think it's going to set him back.
I do believe he still will be taking number one overall.
Speaker 7 (05:24):
By the way, since two thousand and seven, the number
is three. Three defensive players have been chosen number one
overall since two thousand and seven. Jadavian Clowning twenty fourteen,
Miles Garrett twenty seventeen, Trayvon Walker twenty twenty two. By
the way, Trayvon Walker had none of the production that
Abdul Carter had this year when he had twelve sacks
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and he led the nation with twenty three and a
half tackles for loss. So there's that. Cardinals says, we
know we're picking number sixteen. Wolf. Are you aware that
in recent Cardinals history at number sixteen, the Cardinals have
selected twenty twenty one one linebacker Zaven Collins, two thousand
and eight, corner Dominique Rodgers Cromarty, and then your former
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teammate pro bowler Louise Sharp nineteen eighty two, when number sixteen.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Overall, I did not know that, Bully. Oh my goodness,
Louise Sharp. So many guys, so many people do not
truly understand what an awesome left tackle Louis Sharp was.
You know who did understand it, Paully. That was Lawrence Taylor.
If I told you, Paully that I was out at
the Pro Bowl a couple of years as a matter
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of fact, and Lawrence Taylor was walking around the locker
room as well, had the opportunity to get to know
LT a little bit right there and lt said, man
Louis Sharp was the guy that blocked him the best.
He told me that to my wow, I kid you.
Speaker 7 (06:48):
Not that that's something that will never show up in
a box score. That's the ultimate compliment, no doubt about that.
All right, So Cardinal's pig in sixteenth overall dead said,
right in the middle of the first round, And what
does that mean for the GM Moni asin fort here
he is at the combine this week.
Speaker 8 (07:03):
Certainly a different feel for us this year going in
this draft, you know, picking three and picking four, you know,
we could narrow down who is going to be sitting
there for us, and so gets a little bit harder
picking at sixteen. You know, I think the importance of
us staying flexible and just hey, you got to wait
and see what happens in front of us, and then
you got to wait and see what opportunities come your way,
and so you know those won't declare until a couple
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of hours into the event on Thursday night. But you know,
I think it just makes it adds a few more
variables into than what we've dealt with last couple of years.
Speaker 7 (07:32):
Do you have a gut feeling and what Moni might
do this year, especially since we've seen him do everything right.
We've seen him trade down, we've seen him trade up,
we've seen him stick and pick.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
What do you think at sixteen, Yeah, Paulie, it's all
going to depend on who might be there. Actually, if
you tell me that, you know you've got some guys
that are actually falling down the draft board, like I
would say a Jaalen Walker, if you tell me he's
falling down him. By the way, have you noticed how
many different NFL scouts that are out there, NFL analysts
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that really study the draft, how different each mock draft
is that is out there right now. There's a lot
of a lot of debate as to who are the
best edge rushers, who are the best defensive lineman interior
defensive lineman. But if you tell me a guy like
Jalen Walker might actually fall to number sixteen, I think
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that would matter to Manti ausin Ford. Having said that,
if nobody falls, I think he's probably gonna trade down
and collect more picks.
Speaker 7 (08:35):
Yeah, definitely see that. Mel Kiper two point oho this week,
Shamar Stewart out of Texas A and m going to
the Cardinals at sixteen. Bucky Brooks two point Oho NFL
dot com. Walter Nolan d Liman out of Ole Miss.
You have questions about the draft and draft prospects. I
can't think of anyone better than Daniel Jeremiah And guess
what he's our guest when we come back. It is
the Big Red Rage presented by Santan Ford in Gilbert.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Let's do Wolf.
Speaker 7 (09:03):
Now, let's start out as Jack Nicholson.
Speaker 6 (09:06):
You give me a ground pounder and three dirt liquors
and we'll get it in every time.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Don't interrupt me. This is too good for this.
Speaker 6 (09:15):
Let your dirt liquors do what they do. Come off
the ball and let the ground pounder.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Stick it in.
Speaker 9 (09:26):
Well.
Speaker 7 (09:26):
If you have more than one thing in common with
Frank Calliando, all right, one, he does an impersonation of you.
Number two you're also fond of saying, Dave, don't interrupt me.
I'm talking over here, the great Frank Calliando. Very entertaining
edition of the Pash Pod. Dare we say the most entertaining,
because you know what it's all Frank and Dave's just
along for the ride. Check it out Azcardinals dot com
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wherever you get your podcasts. It is the Big Red
Rage Our Combine Edition presented by santan Ford and Gilbert.
We are santan Ford, Paul Calvic, the aforementioned Ron wolf
Ley and well, sometimes you know it's that simple. You're
just looking for or a dirt liquor, right, somebody who
just can physically dominate another man. And then there is
all the data that twenty twenty five is all about.
(10:08):
And I bring that up because Next Gen Stats, in
conjunction with the NFL, has come out with what they
call a comprehensible form of player projection that they call
the Combine IQ. They released it to the public earlier
today on the NFL website. You can go click on it,
you can check it out. It's a dashboard. They're going
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to post all the results of all the drills and
then all the tracking data because these guys are wearing chips,
and they're going to put it into this player projection
model and grade everyone from fifty to ninety nine in
athleticism production and overall draft score because they're taking into
account their production from their college career as well. So
they're trying to model all this data going all the
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way back to two thousand and three. You can compare
players to the last twenty three years draft prospects and
see how each guy fares.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
You gotta be kidding me, Paul.
Speaker 7 (11:01):
It's all I know. Just you know it violates my
rule no math. Go to NFL dot com. It's pretty
dang impressive as to what they're doing right now.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Yeah, and you know what, Paul too, if you're talking
about Frank Caliendo, of course doing me and talking about
dirt liquors. Can I tell you right now that I'll
take Tyler Booker. I'll take him and I will run. Seriously,
if you tell me he's there at number sixteen and
you tell me that that is going to be where
the Arizona Cardinals would like to go, boy, I'll take
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that and I'll run.
Speaker 7 (11:32):
Well, look, there's a lot we don't know right now
about this combine in this draft. Right Who's going number
one overall? Who's going to be the top quarterback selected?
I mean, which position is Travis Hunter the heisman? We're
even going to play? He told the media today that
he'll play whatever position his drafting team wants him to play,
although he'd love to play both sides of the ball.
(11:53):
So that's interesting there. Well, once again, you want to
go to resource our Craig Grielu, Danny Sirek Indianapolis at
the NFL Combine and they had a chance to catch
up with NFL dot Com Draft expert Daniel Jeremiah for
what has now become an annual interview.
Speaker 10 (12:09):
A year ago, when we spoke with you Cardinals with
the fourth overall pick, you called it the pole.
Speaker 11 (12:13):
Position in the draft.
Speaker 10 (12:15):
Now at sixteen, what position do you call it?
Speaker 12 (12:19):
The sweet spot? Yeah, you're in the sweet spot. You
know you're in a good spot. I think this draft
is it's odd, it's weird. I will tell you, like
I migrating seal that I have that I use it.
I picked up back in Baltimore a million years ago.
There's a grade that's like a Pro Bowl player grade,
so you know that what you're saying, there's a high
likelihood that this player is going to be a Pro Bowler.
In last year's draft, I think there was maybe eighteen
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of them around there, seventeen eighteen.
Speaker 11 (12:45):
This year there's like seven.
Speaker 12 (12:47):
So I don't think this is a year you want
to be picking you know, eight, nine, ten, But I
think sixteen just back far enough where I think there's
some value to be had there.
Speaker 11 (12:54):
You're kind of in the middle of that pack.
Speaker 12 (12:56):
But you are in a deep defensive draft, especially along
the line scrimmage, You're going to.
Speaker 11 (13:01):
Get a really really solid player right there.
Speaker 13 (13:03):
That is music to the ears of Cardinals fans.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Defense Go figure, huh, Yes.
Speaker 13 (13:07):
I mean on the defensive line and on the edge,
those are areas of need for this Cardinals defense. What
do you see from those position groups with this draft class?
Speaker 12 (13:16):
Yeah, defensive tackles as deep as I can ever remember.
Speaker 11 (13:19):
I don't ever remember seeing a group this deep.
Speaker 12 (13:21):
You know, last year I had twelve players that I thought,
you know, had starting potential at defensive tackle this year
at twenty four, so I don't ever remember seeing anything
like that. So it's not only there in the first round,
but out all throughout the draft you can find defensive
tackles that have an opportunity to develop into starters and then.
Speaker 11 (13:37):
Edge rusher wise.
Speaker 12 (13:38):
It's a great debate to have, and I'm sure they're
going to have it within the walls of the building
in Arizona, which is we've got traits, We've got long, rangy,
explosive guys, and then we've got production We've got some
guys who maybe don't have all those traits, but man,
they really know how to win and rush. So you
know that's going to be a classic kind of debate
to rage on there and see which direction they go.
(13:58):
But I do know they're going to have an option
get a Day one starter at either defensive tackle or
at edge rusher if that's the direction they want to go.
Speaker 10 (14:05):
Because of that depth, could you see a team, whether
it's the Cardinals or someone else, address a different position,
say at sixteen for the Cardinals, and didn't take that
defensive tackle, defensive lineman, or edge rusher at forty seven
or later.
Speaker 12 (14:19):
On, Well, I would say I would use the lesson
of Philly, which is there's nothing wrong.
Speaker 11 (14:25):
With taking two.
Speaker 12 (14:27):
You want to go shopping for a dtackle in the
first round, swing around, take another one in the fourth round,
Go do it.
Speaker 11 (14:32):
I don't think you have to pick.
Speaker 12 (14:33):
I think you can say that's where the strength of
this draft is, so I don't necessarily think of it. Well,
there's so many of them. I can avoid one here
and come get one later. I say, just double up.
There's a team that just won the Super Bowl that
was eight to nine deep. Along the defensive line, So
I think there's that there's some real value and going
that route.
Speaker 10 (14:51):
Are there the defensive tackles that you have the twenty
four that you have first round grades?
Speaker 11 (14:56):
Are they similar?
Speaker 10 (14:57):
Are there certain styles depending on what defensive you might
be running.
Speaker 11 (15:01):
Yeah, oh, all different flavors.
Speaker 12 (15:03):
But I would say there's more like there's more three
hundred plus pound guys that can do a little bit
of everything, Whereas in the past I felt like, man,
we've got some three hundred and thirty pound like just
phone booth like space eater, gobble block guys, and then
we've got some two hundred and eighty five two hundred
ninety pound upfield rushers.
Speaker 11 (15:21):
This draft I don't remember.
Speaker 12 (15:22):
I mean, we have so many three hundred and ten,
three hundred and fifteen pound guys that can penetrate, get
up the field, but are also strong enough to anchor
a double team like versatile versatile guys.
Speaker 13 (15:31):
Cardinals have a handful of pending free agents, starting on
the offensive line. What do you see from this offensive
line class.
Speaker 12 (15:38):
I don't think that there's the premier guys, which is
not going to matter where it's sixteen, they would be
gone anyway. If there were premier guys. But I do
think along the interior there's some depth where you can
get guys day two, in the maybe early day three.
Speaker 11 (15:52):
Offensive tackle wise, I think it's a little.
Speaker 12 (15:54):
Bit of a shallow pool, so that those guys, I think,
you know, once you get through the really the first round,
it's gonna be hard to find a starting tackle outside
the first round.
Speaker 10 (16:03):
Is this where, all of a sudden, maybe this draft
is done the headline names, but maybe where you could
develop or add pieces to fortify both sides.
Speaker 12 (16:11):
Yeah, that's what it is. It's a meat and potatoes draft.
It's a draft where you're finding starters, not stars, and
it is at the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 11 (16:19):
That's where you're gonna find guys.
Speaker 12 (16:20):
And to me, I look at differently from the offensive
line of the defensive line. Offensive line wise, I'm a
firm believer and you're as strong as your weakest guy.
You don't want to have, as I refer to him
as a tomato can. You know you can't have four
Hall of Famers in a tomato can, because a tomato
can is gonna get you quarterback hit every single time.
So upgrading the back end of your offensive line, I
think there's value, whereas on the defensive line, I think
you're chasing impact. You're chasing guys who can really make
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a difference and win one on one and make some
disruptive plays.
Speaker 11 (16:47):
And I think we have those guys.
Speaker 12 (16:48):
So it's kind of a floor offensive line draft, and
I think there's some ceiling along the defensive line this year.
Speaker 7 (16:55):
There you go, Daniel Jeremiah from Cardinals Cover too. You
can catch the entire interview and it's great stuff. Cardinals
Cover two, Azycardinals dot Com, wherever year podcasts. It posted today.
Tomorrow is going to be Charles Davis. We're going to
preview that coming up a little bit later in this
edition of The Big Red rage Are Combine Edition presented
by Santan Ford in Gilbert. What stood out to you
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the most there on all those different topics and all
the insights from Daniel Jeremiah, just.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
All of the line of scrimmage Bully for the most part,
the conversation about depth from day one in terms of
finding guys that can play on the line of scrimmage
offensively and defensively. Right now, I can't get over at
Bully because the blood sport is back in the National
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Football League.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
It is.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
It's no longer a situation where the spread has taken over.
You know how I feel about this. It has come
back to the game of football once again. Think about
the emphasis that is now placed on a running back
and having a great rushing attack. Think of the Philadelphia Eagles. Okay,
they've just won the Super Bowl. Of course, they ran
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the ball over six hundred times this season, over six
hundred times. That was number one in the National Football League. Now, listen,
I understand Jalen Hurts pulling the ball down. There was
an awful lot of that. But anyone who watched any
tape on the Eagles, you know, they lined up and
they gave the ball to Saquon Barkley, of course, and
they ran the ball in that offensive line. Football is
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now once again played on the line of scrimmage offensively
and defensively. And you know, all the other teams in
the National Football League they love to rip off whoever
wins the Super Bowl. And looking at the Philadelphia Eagles,
that is where their team is built, on the line
of scrimmage, and I think that's back in vogue.
Speaker 7 (18:47):
You know, you don't go to a steakhouse in order
the tofu right. So if this draft is just utterly
deep in defensive lineman, I like the question about you know, hey,
do you go O line and run and then maybe
load up in round two and three on D line
because it's so deep, And Daniel Jeremiah's response was, well,
why don't you just double up at sixteen and forty seven?
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Maybe you go D line? To your point, because the
Eagles were senting pass rushers and defensive linemen in waves
all the way to a Lombardi Trophy. And you know what,
you have free agency coming up. It starts in less
than two weeks. Trey Smith wasn't the only potential free
agent guard on the market today. Kansas City, the Chiefs
franchise tag their young Pro Bowl offensive guard Tray Smith,
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so he's not going to be available, but they're about
a half dozen other dudes who could be plug and
play guys who are proven starting caliber offensive guards, and
as Maniasiford told the media this week, you want to
enter any draft with the ability to play a game.
Before you go in and even look at your draft board,
you want to have a roster so you're not in
dire need of a particular position. So if the Cardinals
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at least have enough to be feasible and viable on
the offensive line going into this draft, yeah, I you
can see him loading up at sixteen and forty seven
on the defensive line.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
No, I'm with you on that, Paul, seriously. And once again,
if there is a position that I truly value in
terms of free agency, it's the offensive line.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
It is.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Now, can you overpay for a certain guy? Of course
you can overpay, But to me, Paul, for the most part,
you can see what an offensive lineman is doing. You
can see him compete against NFL caliber defensive linemen and linebackers.
You can actually watch him. And there's a huge body
of work for most of these free agents, of course,
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a huge body of work that you can study and
examine and really come to a conclusion that this guy
is exactly what we need. He's a perfect fit for
our offense because of AB and C defensive lineman Sometimes,
even in the NFL, sometimes you'll see a defensive lineman
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get paid, and then when he gets paid, what happens
a lot of times some of that production will drop off,
and I think it's because they're just not as hungry
as they once were. Offensive linemen, for the most part,
are built a little bit differently, and I like looking
at NFL offensive linemen blocking NFL defensive linemen. I like
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looking at that. Now when it comes to the draft,
I like looking at college prospects on the defensive line
more than the offensive line, because I think you've got
to project with the offensive line more. You got to
project with a young guy as to whether or not
he's going to make the mental adjustment to being an
offensive lineman in the NFL. And it's not as easy
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as you may think.
Speaker 7 (21:42):
I've seen a lot of these insiders in these draft
analysts and the experts at the combine this week. Compare
the potential of this D line draft class to twenty
nineteen when Nick Bosa went, Quinn Williams, Christian Wilkins, Jeffrey Simmons,
Brian Burns, Dexter Lawrence, and the Cardinals even got Zach
Allen in round three. So if it's that sort of draft,
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I think then the question becomes, you know, a Kenneth
Grant from Michigan, right, all the measurables, but what's the
motor like Shamar Stewart, Crazy measurables and athleticism. But where's
the production. How do you weigh that? Well, if the
potential and the measurables versus that production in college?
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Yeah, you know, once again, it is a production, Paul,
that is it. I mean a projection, not a production.
It is a projection. And because of that, you really
don't know so much of this, Polly comes down to
the individual himself. And that's the reason why the interviews
are huge at the Combine.
Speaker 7 (22:38):
I heard it said, in fact, it was field Yates
earlier today on ESPN. This is a great draft for
front offices that know what they're doing. Interesting. We'll get
more insights from Charles Davis. He's with Cardinals cover two
when we come back. In this edition Combine edition of
the Big Red Rage presented by Santan Ford in Gilbert.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
Shot gunna snap Murray to throw a fade right side
of the end zone. I'm the money to Marvin Harrison Junior.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Touchdown.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
What a throw by Murray. That's his fourth touchdown pass,
tying a career high.
Speaker 5 (23:16):
You can see that coming a mile away, Marvin Harrison
Junior one on one against the corner, and he went
ahead and ran the fade and sure enough, Kyler Murray
put it out there, and Marvin Harrison Junior went and got.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
It Tex Fitz and let him know that Marvin Harrison
Junior just tied his rookie record. That's eight touchdown catches,
tying him with Ankwon, Bolden and Larry for most touchdown
catches by a rookie and Team Histery.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Pretty good company right there.
Speaker 7 (23:48):
No doubt, I mean the numbers were there yet. I
think anybody who watched Cardinals football in twenty twenty four
there is serious upside still in store from Arvin Harrison Junior.
Agree or disagree with that.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Ron Wolflinck, no doubt about it, Bully.
Speaker 7 (24:04):
It is a big Red rage Our Combine edition presented
by santan Ford and Gilbert We are santan Ford. We're
gonna hear from Charles Davis. CBS analysts always look forward
to that, but Wolfe was interesting to hear. Jonathan Gannon
at the podium is fifteen minutes with the media this week,
bring up on his own Trey Benson and at what
sort of leap he thinks Trey Benson is going to
take from his first to his second year. If I
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gave you a choice, between Marvin Harrison Junior, Trey Benson,
Max Melton, who I thought had a really strong finish
to his rookie year, and Isaiah Adams, who we know
puts some good stuff on film and has been in
the weight room basically every single day since the end
of last season. If you had to pick one of
those guys to really excel from year one to year two,
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who do you think is going to take the biggest step,
the biggest leap.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Oh my goodness, Polly, I'm gonna go with Marvin Harrison Junior.
But you know I'm in the danger zone when it
comes to Marvin Harrison Junior. I just this guy. Expectation
for him was so incredibly high coming in as a rookie.
It was really something that I think was inappropriate. I
should not have had that type of expectation put on
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a rookie coming in trying to be wide receiver one,
and I reject myself in front of King and country
for actually doing it. But I do believe in what
is going to happen next year. The fact that you've
got Manti asin Fort and JG who believe that a
rookie comes in and his growth from year one to
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year two is going to be significant. They believe that
that is dogma and if it doesn't appear, if you
don't have that growth, then you know what you might
be moved off of. I think with Marvin Harrison Junior,
of course, being selected as high as he is, there's
no way in the world they'd ever move off no
matter what happens next year or this coming season. But
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I can tell you right now that because of the
workout that he has and because of the talent that
he has, those two things are going to come together.
He cares about his job. I don't think there's going
to be a bigger improvement from any rookie to year
two than Marvin Harrison Junior.
Speaker 7 (26:13):
And you know what, he's competitive. When you see him
on the field, you do realize how competitive he is.
So when he sees Malik Neighbors and Brian Thomas juniors,
the two all rookie wide receivers, I'm thinking, I'm thinking
that's motivating, that's going to fuel him this offseason. But
I'm with you, guiltiest charge. A year ago at this time,
I'm like, oh boy, you take Marvin Harrison Junior number four,
just pencil him in Jamar Chase rookie season, Justin Jefferson
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rookie season, Pro Bowl campaigns. And it's not always that easy,
it's not always that quick getting that sort of success
in the NFL. No one knows that better than Charles Davis, right,
CBS analyst and draft guru. And there he was in
Indianapolis and joining Cardinals. Cover two are Craig Rielou and
Danny Serek with Charles Davis.
Speaker 10 (26:56):
You got free agency, got the drafts, yep. So for you,
your analyst had on. When you see the Arizona Cardinals
coming up in twenty twenty five, what do you want
to see?
Speaker 2 (27:06):
I wrote some notes down.
Speaker 9 (27:07):
I hope that's okay, perfect.
Speaker 13 (27:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (27:11):
Defensively, who's your wreckord that's going to go? Get a quarterback?
Can you get an edge guy? Know bj Ojalari? Can
he come back from injury? But you know that's like
coming back from knees oftentimes it's the second year and
not the first year. But can you have those people
who can put into pressure? I wrote down edge, I
wrote down interior defensive line continue to get better and stronger. There,
wide receiver, continue to supplement around. I think there'll be
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a breakout for Marvin Harrison, I really do. I think
he's going to continue to go. I thought Michael Wilson
had a nice year last year, offensive front, offensive guard,
offensive tackle. I think they've done a nice job and
it seems to me they like big people, right. That
seems to be where they want to go with this,
with how they want to run the football with James
Connor and crew, I think this is a draft that
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has a lot of big offensive linemen in it that
they can plug in and go and listen. I don't
mind playing the young offensive lineman. I think a lot
of people worry about that. Sometimes it can bite you.
Kansas City struggled because they drafted Kingsley's so Ma Tayya
out of BYU in the second round, hoping he would
be their left tackle. Didn't happen, and you guys know
what happened from there, because Joe Toney is at all
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Pro guard, he's not an all Pro tackle, and it
killed him.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
In the Super Bowl.
Speaker 13 (28:19):
A bright spot for the Cardinals defense was the secondary,
especially that back half of the season, and you got
to see it now. Cardinals defense was some of the
best in keeping opponents out of the end zone. A
league low ten passing touchdowns allot on the last eleven games.
A lot of young faces though in that group, especially
in the cornerbacks room. What positives did you see from
that room specifically for the Cardinals for the future and
(28:42):
what that's going to look like.
Speaker 9 (28:43):
Yeah, you saw the growth, You saw the stature. Sighting
gives you a lot more confidence of what's going on
back there. I think that they can walk into that
room now and realize we are not just Buddha Baker
and a bunch of other people. And I think with
Nick Rollis's way of playing, they're able to make plays,
be quicker to the football, see it in front of them,
(29:04):
and do it. And I can't wait to see what
their improvement's going to be. And I can't wait to
see what competition many Austin for it brings in for
him too, because he's not gonna stand.
Speaker 10 (29:13):
Pat When you look at the Cardinals wide receivers. You
brought Marvin, you brought Michael Wilson, What are you seeing
from them that gives you belief that, Okay, there's something there?
Because as a defensive back, they make it difficult for
me to defend two things.
Speaker 9 (29:31):
Size post catch, I gotta go through this big body,
strong physically Harrison Wilson. And then when they do catch it,
I gotta get them on the ground. If I don't
get him on the ground, I got a problem. That's
the key. But that's why, that's what I see with
these receivers. And obviously Trade McBride is your ultimate example,
(29:52):
even though he's a tight end. But I'm counting the
tight ends with receivers more and more of these days.
Speaker 7 (29:58):
It's funny that reminds me the great quote from Ben
Steele not too long ago, the tight Ends coach about
Trey McBride in the entire tight end room, if you
don't block, then you're just a slow receiver, which is
one of our favorites right there, and Trey McBride the
complete tight end. Something you've been on about Charles Davis
there from the combine with Danny Surak and Craig Grielou.
You can catch the whole entire interview starting on Friday,
(30:21):
Cardinals cover two. All right, Wolf, just general takeaways from
what you heard there from NFL Networking CBS analyst Charles Davis.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Yeah, I love that right there where you said defensively,
who's your wrecker. Who is that guy? And there are
a lot of teams out there that do whether he's
on the edge or he's an interior defensive lineman, a
three technique or a combination thereof Right there? Who is
the wrecker for the Arizona Cardinals. Now listen, Darius Robinson.
(30:48):
He could possibly be that wrecker at some point in time,
but he's got to prove that he is that guy.
Pj Ojalai you heard him actually acknowledge him. Yeah, you
know what this guy could promising, but once again, a
young guy that's got to prove it. I thought immediately
of Kenneth Grant and Mason Grant. I thought of those
(31:10):
two guys specifically three techniques defensive tackles in interior defensive
lineman from Michigan. Those two guys, Kenneth Grant and Mason Graham.
I really really love their play. And I think Kenneth
Grant in particular, a guy that I know might have
some questions from time to time, but he's a big dude.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Man.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
He's three hundred and forty two pounds. A lot of
people say he doesn't have the motor that you'd like
to see. But for me, watching what I've seen of
Kenneth Grant and what I've read on him. That guy
right there, I'll take him and I'll plug him in immediately.
Speaker 7 (31:47):
And you know what, if there's a couple of things
we've learned about mante Ossiborne, Jonathan gannon A. They only
want players who are deadly serious about football and be
for the most part, they believe it's a big man's game. Yes,
and we've seen those two shall we say tenants in
each and every draft pick virtually is that's how they
(32:08):
screen guys, and when given the option, they will go
that direction, will they not?
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Yeah, no, they will definitely do that. Paully can I
also say this. I loved his comment on I don't
mind playing young offensive linemen that I agree with, but
the Paris Johnson juniors man, that is the exception to me. Yeah,
it's the exception.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
And not the rule.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
For the most part. It's what I was talking about
in regard to free agency. I like offensive linemen who
have played in the league. I like looking at them
up against NFL defensive lineman not just in one game,
not just in ten games, but in three years of
watching this guy play against that caliber of a defensive lineman.
(32:53):
I think it gives you a better footing as to
what he could actually do when it comes to projecting
a player into your offense and the kind of production
you might be able to get out of him. I think,
once again, offensive lineman making that transition into the NFL,
it typically takes them a couple of years, just like
Paris Johnson Junior. I think it's taken him a couple
(33:15):
of years right now. But I like free agents. That's
what I like in terms of offensive lineman. But I
like the fact that Charles said he didn't mind taking
a young offensive lineman.
Speaker 7 (33:27):
And if it isn't Tyler Booker out of Alabama at
number sixteen, and a lot of mock drafts have Miami
the Dolphin snagging him at thirteen, then there's at least
three other offensive guards I was looking that might make
sense if you trade down in the first round or
perhaps at number forty seven in round two. So I
wouldn't be shocked if that's the direction the Cardinals go.
(33:48):
Is interesting. Darius Robinson came up there, and Jonathan Gannon
at the combine this week said he was never totally
healthy the entire season. Yeah, and you know what, he
was never off the injury part all year. So what
does that mean for year two for d Rob And
then when it comes to defensive linemen and edge rushers
in particular, I have the quote in front of me
JG talking in the media. He said, you know what,
(34:09):
being disruptive in the passing game, that's the first thing
I look for. And when you look at our defense,
hit zoom out. JG saying that's the way we can
improve is to disrupt the quarterback a little bit better
than we did last year. Said that's how we take
the next step. He called it as a defense, and
then he said, acquisition is a way you could help that,
whether it's free agency or the draft, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
You know, for me, Paulie, once again, what's the next
step for the Arizona Cardinals For me? Be able to
rush for and drop seven. You've heard me talk about
this before in the past, Pauli, but it's so critical
and I think you saw it in Super Bowl fifty
nine as well. The ability to be able to rush
for and get pressure on a quarterback and drop seven
(34:53):
and the impact that it truly has on that quarterback.
If you can get to that point, man, you are
way ahead of the game right now. And Nick Rowlis
did a great job scheming up pressures for the Arizona Cardinals.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Doing a great job with that.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
But man, I want to see this team get to
a point where they have four guys that they can
line up and rush the passer and drop seven. But
that starts, Paul with having one guy that you can
really count on to do that, and then you get
to and.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Then move on.
Speaker 7 (35:27):
You're absolutely right. I mean, how often did Nick Rowless
last year play mad scientists?
Speaker 2 (35:32):
Right?
Speaker 7 (35:32):
Oh yeah, we called it eleven card pickup where you
didn't know who was playing what position. That was out
of necessity in a lot of times. So what if
you can just rush for and drop seven? The possibilities
are endless. Hey, learn more about Cardinals season tickets, all
the premium seating in the luxury field seating. Just go
to asycardinals dot com slash tickets. We'll talk about free
agency what that might mean for the Cardinals less than
(35:54):
two weeks away. On the Big Red Rage presented by
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Speaker 4 (36:00):
Give to cook up the middle and he's tackled at
the line of scrimmage by Mac Wilson making his Cardinal debut,
gets a tackle for a loss.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 5 (36:09):
Mack Wolson Senior shot the gap and made the play.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Ron played of the right.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
Cook wrapped up and dropped in the backfield by Wilson.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
Incredible job by mack Wilson Senior coming from the.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Backside of the play. Huge play by mack Wilson.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
Sor pressure up the middle, pass batt down by Wilson
at the line incomplete. Mac Wilson jumped up into the air,
got a hand on it, hands it off for Cook
and he's cut down at the twenty yard line. Mac
Wilson with the hit. Big hit by the Cardinal newcomer,
Mac Wilson.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Senior getting a little grease right there. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (36:46):
Well, if you and a day, Pash called his number,
called his name quite a bit this past season. An
outstanding free agent signing by Mania support and the Cardinals.
If you flash back to the free agent class twenty
twenty four, we also had Sean Murphy bunting at corner
DJ Dallas. You had Justin Jones, Blall and Nichols along
that defensive line. Both expected to have big rebound years
(37:09):
this year. Evan Brown Jonah Williams. But once again, MacWilson Senior,
what you saw in film and New England right that projection,
it was almost like a college draft pick in some
ways because he was used sparingly and really the only
final month plus of the season for the Patriots. But
what you saw in that four or five game span, Man,
did he build on that over a seventeen game season
(37:31):
for the Arizona Cardinals.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Yeah, No, I'm with you on that, Polly, Seriously, I
think MacWilson Sr. Is going to be a very very
important piece to what the Arizona Cardinals defense does this year.
Can I also say, though, going back to Blown Nichols
and Justin Jones, those two guys right there, Paully, I
really do believe are going to come back this year
(37:52):
and have a little bit more focus, if you know
what I mean, a little bit more impetus to actually
go out there and re establish themselves on this roster.
And one of the reasons why I say that is
because I do expect the Arizona Cardinals to go out
there and bring some young guys in, whether it's through
free agency or whether it's going to be through the draft,
(38:14):
whatever it may be. I do believe that the depth
on the defensive line is this is going to be
one of the better camp battles.
Speaker 7 (38:22):
I think Pauli and look what happened LJ. Collier two
years ago, right when he went down early in the season,
first game of the season twenty twenty three. Then he
really rebounded with a big year for the Cardinals and
that defensive front. So hopefully you figure that's in store
for Justin Jones, Ball Nichols. Here's Manias aboard the GM
the decision maker on building through free agency versus the
(38:44):
draft this week at the combine.
Speaker 8 (38:46):
That's always a balance, right because you know, I think
we talk about, hey, when we get through free agency,
can we go out and play a game? Because I
think what we don't want to do is we don't
want to go into a draft and saying, hey, we
absolutely have to draft this position to fill this need.
You know, I think that's that's a tough place to
be in because you don't know who's going to be available.
You don't know if that player is ready to fill
(39:07):
that role, right, And so I think that's a balance.
It's a balance of the roster building of hey, where
are we going to sink our resources free agency wise,
and then that opens up possibilities in the draft.
Speaker 7 (39:17):
And we've talked a lot about the line of scrimmage,
both D line, O line, and there could be free
agent signings, especially on the old line that are coming.
They're in store here in a couple of weeks. But
what about middle linebacker. You talk about mac Wilson Senior.
You got to talk about Kaizer White because last we
heard from those two guys, it was on social media,
Kaizer White posting thank you AZ at the end of
the year, and then MacWilson Senior responding, say, no, don't
(39:40):
do this to me. Appreciate you for everything, Go get yours.
And so look, MANI was ahead of the curve and
getting deals done with Buddha Baker and James Connor and
Xavin Collins. I wonder if he tried to get a
deal done with Kaizer White. They didn't agree on a number.
And now Kaizer White is headed a free agency and
(40:01):
what does that mean for the Cardinals when it comes
to the quarterback of your defense.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Boy, that is a tough one right there.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
Paully.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
I know you have thoughts on this as well, but
just thinking of Kaizer White and the fact that Nick
Rawlis named his baby after him. You know, I think
that has an awful lot to do. I mean, the
respect that Nick Rawlis has for Kaizer White and JG
as well, and even Manti Ausen for it, there's no
denying it. The respect they have for Kaiser White cannot
(40:30):
be measured, I think with human hands. Yet at the
same time, he's going to test the waters and sometimes, Paully,
that's the best thing you could possibly do. I know
that's something the Rams are doing right now with Matthew Stafford.
They're letting him go out there and see what kind
of deal will you be able to get out there
with somebody else, and then we'll talk about the possibilities.
(40:52):
I wonder if that isn't what happened with Kaizer White
as well. I wonder if that wasn't a situation. And
again it's neither here nor there. I don't know, no,
but he's told me this. It's just me looking at
it from the outside in. I wonder if Mani Austin
for it. Hey, Kaizer, you go out there and you
try to get what you possibly can, and then we'll
tell you if we're interested in matching that offer.
Speaker 7 (41:13):
No, it's a very plausible theory. You flashed back two
years ago at this time. Jonathan ginn and obviously had
knowledge of Kaizer White from his days as the Eagles
defensive coordinator, right brought Kaizer over from Philly.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
Well.
Speaker 7 (41:26):
JG was asked about that this week at the combine.
Just having familiarity with certain free agents.
Speaker 14 (41:30):
Anytime you have like real time experience with a player,
you kind of kind of know a little bit. You know,
free agency is just like all players. There's a little
bit of unknown with all those guys. That decreases the
unknown with me because I was with him for a
couple of years. So we'll look at all the players
in free agency see if they fit us. I know
there's a money component to everything, but at the end
(41:52):
of the day, we'll do what's best for us and
try to acquire guys that are going to help us win.
Speaker 7 (41:56):
And of course, the media followed up by saying, you know, coach,
when you defensive coordinator of Philly, you had a guy
by the name of Josh Sweat who starred in the
Super Bowl. You had a guy by the name of
Milton Williams defensive wrecking ball interior d line. So that
was sort of the genesis of that question. Now, those
two guys are going to be in high demand and
probably gonna get high dollars, I would imagine in the
(42:17):
open marketplace.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
Yeah, it's gonna be really interesting to see what Josh
Sweat gets, PAULI, because he's going to be going into
his eighth year and it's not like Josh Sweat. It's
not like you looked at Josh Sweat and you thought
to yourself, man, this guy is one of the best
edge rushers in the history of the game or he now.
Has he done well? Of course he has. He's gone
(42:40):
out there. He had eight sacks last year, the year
before that six and a half. He did have eleven
in twenty twenty two that was the most. But this
is a guy who's played seven years in the league
right now, will be going into his eighth year, and
it's not like he's done nothing but post double digit
sacks for the most part. So I have to won
at this point in time just how many offers he's
(43:04):
going to get and what that offer will be. Now,
for me, I'm really really encouraged because I think Josh
Sweat might actually give the Arizona Cardinals a free agent discount,
if you will, because of JG and because of Nick Rawlis.
And we also know that the Cardinals looking at Josh
Sweat man, they have the price of admission, as JG
(43:29):
likes to say, And knowing Josh Sweat, I would imagine
he feels really really good about possibly bringing him in here.
We'll have to wait and see how this unfolds, of course,
and it's all speculation, but I'm going to put the
Arizona Cardinals as possibly the front runner for Josh Sweat.
Speaker 7 (43:48):
Interesting, you know, the low key priority for Mania Saport,
maybe just because I've seen his name pop up on
a few lists of potential free agent pass rushers. Baron Browning, Yes,
still fairly young. I thought he finished with a flourish.
You know, we talked to JG on his TV show
every week. Once he got totally healthy, once he got
familiar with the defense, and he was playing and not thinking,
(44:11):
and he had all his skills at his disposal, he
finished pretty strong, didn't he.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
Paully?
Speaker 2 (44:16):
How about this right here? Now?
Speaker 1 (44:18):
Listen, you know how I feel Pro football focus is
not the end all be all. It's not yet at
the same time, they had Baron Browning ranked number five
in terms of edge rushers in free agency.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
Wow, number five. Ball interesting to your point.
Speaker 7 (44:35):
Okay, So yeah, and I think you know what I
might have seen that. I think that was like the
second half of the season. They sort of took the
guys who made the biggest imprint on the game and defensively.
And yeah, so I'm curious how they value him, and
I'm curious if they get a deal done because his
money said this week, once you go to market, anything
can happen. Anyone can go and throw some big money.
(44:55):
By the way, the best news for you Wolf, as
the NFL said today, they're trying to find a way
to bring on sidekicks. Yeah, baby back into the game.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
Hey, give me a call.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
I'll let you know.
Speaker 7 (45:06):
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