February 20, 2025 • 45 mins
Ep. 704 - It is often said that NFL games are won in the trenches. The Cardinals are hoping that two recent additions to the coaching staff can help bring truth to that way of thinking. Paul Calvisi welcomes new Cardinals offensive line coach Justin Frye and defensive line coach Winston DeLattiboudere III to the show to talk about their backgrounds, influences, philosophies and what made them make the jump to the NFL after spending time in the college game. The coaches also share what makes them so excited about joining Jonathan Gannon's staff. Plus, Ron Wolfley joins Calvisi to talk about the Scouting combine, mock drafts and more.
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The field.
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Even here in February, head on a swivel, mock drafts
coming in hot. The franchise tag window now open. Combine
invites have been extended, three hundred and twenty nine of
them in all. Cardinals are gonna test, They're gonna measure,
They're gonna interview players as they try and build a
team that has built football tough, both mentally and physically.
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In fact, with that in mind, it is the All
Trenches Edition of the Big Red Rage, presented by santan
Ford and Gilbert. We are santan Ford and we're gonna
hear from the two new line coaches, the old line
coach Justin Fry, the new d line coach Winston Di
Latte Beaudare, and All Trench's edition. Ron Wolfley there, Paul
Calbci here, wolf fresh off his own highlight reel that
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was posted to the Cardinals Twitter. How about that? And
we're not talking about Wolf's Pro Bowl seasons either. It
wasn't on the field. It it was Wolfe's best radio calls,
you know, replete with video and animation. Ra I mean
they turn the Telestrader on you, Wolf.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Yeah, Paulie, nobody cares. Let me just say that first.
And number two, can I just say I'm going to
call him coach Debo? Is that okay? Is he okay
with Coach Deba? He is?
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Actually, he gave the media permission for that, So yes,
you're onto something there, and you know, we'll talk to
him later. We might outsource the pronunciation a little bit later. Okay,
man's got to know his limitations around here. So there's
that We look forward to those conversations and those are
straight ahead. But as I mentioned, we have mock drafts
coming in. I mean there's at least one a day.
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At least one a day. I mean even now, they
have the editor of NFL dot com, who has like
seven hundred followers on Twitter, coming out with his own
mock draft that they're posting to the site. In fact,
that one fresh off the press is today as the
Cardinal is going number sixteen overall, Walter Nolan, a de
tackle out of Ole miss And I mean there's a
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lot to like there. There's an NSC National Scouts quoted
as saying, nobody questions how talent he is and how
hardy plays, super twitched up and really explosive. Okay, you
know we're all on board with that. But wolf, let
me hit zoom out for a minute. It seems most
of these mock drafts are trending towards the Cardinals going
D line dtackle in particular. Yeah, but if this position
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group is so loaded, which is what Daniel Jeremiah says
that at this time of year ago he had a dozen,
you know, worthy guys at this combine. Now there's two
dozen worthy D linemen. He thinks we're going to be
NFL starters right out of the gate. If it's so loaded,
then maybe you go ahead and go with another position,
number sixteen overall and then address D line in round two.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Perhaps, Yeah, that's a well, Paully, that's a possibility. And
I would also add this, And you and I were
talking about this a little bit before the broadcast, but
remember many Austin Fords loves to do what when it
comes to the draft.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Let Moni cook, Yes, the trading us. The dealer is down, Yes.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Yes, let him trade down. And could I see that happening?
If you've got, if you've got, if you're really eyeballing
defensive line and you think it's really strong in this draft, man,
that really sets it up for Monti asin for it.
They're at number sixteen to go ahead and trade back
in the draft and collect some some more draft picks
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and draft currency. And you know how much Monti asin
for loves doing that. I could see him doing that, Paulie.
And not only that too, What is one of the
other positions that you hear with the Arizona Cardinals in
terms of their draft selection in the first round.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Interior another one.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
That's it, PAULI. Right there, it's offensive guard for the
most part. And to me, there are guys that are
out there. I happen to love Tyler Booker, the big
guard from Alabama. He's over sixty five, He's three hundred
and twenty five, three hundred and thirty pounds somewhere in
that vicinity right there. He's got excellent feet. I mean,
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I would love to see them continue to build this
offensive line from the inside out.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
I could definitely see that. I mean, look at the
division too, right first, you got to compete in your
own division. Look what the Rams just did the last
two years in building their D line. I mean Braydon
Fist and Jared Bursey the NFL Defensive Player of the Year,
and Byron Young and Kobe Turner in the last two drafts.
You gotta deal with that. You got to deal with
the forty nine ers, Nick Bosa and company and the
Niners always value defensive line play. And then the two
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losses against Seattle this year, With all due respect to
Geno Smith, it was really Leonard Williams who wrecked the game.
So you could absolutely make a case that the Cardinals
in Round one continue to bolster the offensive line. Just
basing your division the NFC West.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Yeah, Paul, and you know, once again, this is something
we know that Manti assen Ford and JG. They believe
in this man. What does JG say about offensive linemen.
It's his spirit position, his offensive line, and not only
that too. I'm looking at guys like a Kenneth Grant
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from Michigan. I think he might be there at number
sixteen or even later. To your point about the possibility
of all of these defensive linemen, and maybe Manti asin
Fort might move down. But Kenneth Grant, I love from Michigan.
This is a guy six three hundred and forty two pounds,
and if you watch any tape on him, it is
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stunning how quick he moves, how fast his feet are.
So for me, I like this because he's also a
very physical, effort based guy.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
It's interesting. I'm looking at this NFL dot Com scouting report.
There's an NSC scout anonymous quota to saying quote Kenneth
Grant was a little inconsistent on tape last season, but
he's going to be a freaky tester, and guys with
that size and those numbers are really hard to find.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
You know.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
What else is intriguing to me is, if you want
to know about Kenneth Grant, you know what a great
resource would be. I don't know the former offensive line
coach at Ohio State that you just hired, and Justin Fryt. Yes,
if you really want to know about Kenneth Grant, and
you know, and some of these other guys coming out
of the Big Ten, or I don't know, some of
the other elite teams you just played in the postseason
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in college football, like Tennessee and Texas and some of
these other schools that are loaded in defensive linemen. I
gotta imagine Monni Is walking into his new offensive lineman's
coaches often say, Hey, what do you think about this guy?
What do you think about that guy?
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Oh? Yeah, no, you're you're right about that, Paul, I
mean Justin Fryar, are you kidding me? Walk in and
sit down and say tell me about Josh Simmons. Yes,
tell me about Josh Simmons right now, the offensive tackle
that a lot of people think could also play guard,
and it's one of the reasons why I'm very interested
if he were there at number sixteen, would the Arizona
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Cardinals be interested? Maybe not. Maybe I still believe, just
because they want to build on the line of scrimmage
again offensively and defensively, that they might unless there's a
guy there that they absolutely love, that they might continue
to trade back. But Josh Simmons is also a guy
that has been linked with the Cardinals at number sixteen.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
But to your point about MANI possibly potentially trading down,
not only does he have that track record, like you say,
but the Cardinals have six six draft picks this year.
A year ago they had a dozen, So yes, you know,
there could be that desire to uh you know, I
mean more is more in the draft. So we'll see
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he value the most? How does he teach? Who can
Paris Johnson Junior become Let's ask the new Cardinals offensive
line coach, Justin fry when we come back and the
big Red Rage presented by Santan Ford in Gilbert.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
You line up and you left that offensive line, he
Harris Johnson Junior at the point of attacks, hits the
block that gets him in the ends on that is
still be good.
Speaker 7 (09:17):
I thought he played well. You know, he switched positions.
You know, he keeps quarterback up right and then he
moves people in the run game, you know what I mean.
And he's smart and he's the character that you want.
And I think he's still as sending. I know he's
extremely motivated and disciplined and fired up to go into
this offseason. What he wants to work on and improve
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that those aspects of his game that he wants to
take the next step. But very pleased where he's at.
And again I think that he's going to continue to improve.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Is Jonathan Gannon JG on Paris Johnson Junior going into
the offseason. You know the old saying how a football
team is a reflection of its head coach. How about
an offensive line, how much does it reflect it's position coach? Well,
this probably comes as no surprise to anyone. Polly pencil
Neck over here has never played in the trenches. So
let's ask someone who's been there, done that, played it,
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coached it, and has just been hired as the Cardinals
offensive line coach by Jonathan Gannon. How about a big
red welcome to Justin fry here on the Big Red Rage,
presented by Santan Ford and Gilbert Welcome to the a Z.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Justin.
Speaker 8 (10:22):
Good to be here, good to walk around in shorts
and a light jacket, and it's exciting.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Do you take your snowshovel and just back your car
over it on your way out?
Speaker 1 (10:32):
No?
Speaker 8 (10:32):
I put the two. I put my two youngest or
my two oldest boys on it. Last weekend, I snuck
home for the weekend and we got some snow and
Columbus and I said, hey, Kevin, Max, get out there
and earn your keep.
Speaker 9 (10:42):
Man.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
What's it like when you tell the family that you
just achieved a career objective of promotion and you're going
to the NFL And guess what, kids, pack up, pack up,
we're moving.
Speaker 8 (10:51):
Yeah, I mean they You know your wife, she's got
to know what she's getting into. And I've been blessed.
You know, Lauren is awesome. She was an elite level,
high level swimmer, so competitive and get all gets all that,
so we knew what we were getting into. It's with
your kids, just as you said, there's some uneasiness there
because you're you're plucking them out of their comfort zone
and their routine and what they know. But they're old
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enough now to where they get this is our journey
and this.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Is what we do.
Speaker 8 (11:16):
And we've talked about it that way, and that's, like
I said, that's really been the vision of Lorna and
I with the kids, because I mean I've had you know,
my oldest was born in Florida, my daughter was born
in Philadelphia. The two younger ones were born in Boston.
Then we go from Boston to la at some point,
you know, during the career, and then back to the Midwest.
And so it's delicate, but they they understand and they're excited.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
And you just won a national title at Ohio State.
Congrats on that. Why the NFL? What's the appeal?
Speaker 5 (11:44):
Ah?
Speaker 8 (11:45):
This is the mecca? This is it. You know, you
get into this business and you get into coaching, and
you want to develop young men from a starting point
in college and you want to play at a high
level and compete for championships. I had an opportunity to
do that with great kids at a great program, with
a great organization, with Ryan on and so when this
call came, you know, nice to walk out when you
know the last time you're on the field, the confetti
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was falling and you were holding up to thirty five pounds,
you know, championship trophy. And so the opportunity to come
work at the highest level, because whether you're playing and
then you get done, at some point we're all done playing,
you still have the competitive spirit and competitive nature. And
so to be able to come here and be able
to coach at the highest level and develop the highest
level guys in the world at what they do as
a no brainer.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
New Cardinals offensive line coach Justin Fryes our guest in
the Big Red Rage presented by Santan Ford and Gilbert.
We'll get to Paris Johnson Junior in a moment. We
just heard from him. What does he know about you
in your style along with John Gains you coached them
at UCLA that the other guys in the room are
going to find out. Describe yourself your style as an
offensive line coach.
Speaker 8 (12:45):
Probably the energy and enthusiasm just as you said, like
the program is a reflection a head coach on down
and then each individual room like your your unit is
a reflection of you. And so for me, I'm a
younger guy. I'm forty one years old, still mobiles to
able to get down and do something. So the hands
on style of teaching or the actual showing of guys
like no, get get down and do this now, they'll
do it way faster than me obviously, sure, but I
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think just the energy and enthusiasm that I have for
just the game of football. And then within the offensive
line play, it's such a fundamental technique and toughness and
those are all grouped together, one not more important than
the other ultimately, but they have to sense and feel
that from their coach. It can't be a guy that
sits back and just tells them what to do and
the expectation of something different. In my opinion, they're gonna
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sense and feel that it's gonna be something with me
where I'm gonna be out there sweating and going through
and going with them so that when they go out
on Sundays or you know, Mondays or Thursdays when over'
you know, structure to play that they can go put
out that on the field because I'm giving it to
them the same way as much as I can without
putting the pads on.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
Ye, what do you value the most when you flip
on the film? What do you value? What are you
looking for?
Speaker 8 (13:50):
Yeah, the first thing is just got to be physicality.
You've got to see guys that. I mean, the beautiful
thing about offensive line play is it's it's anti whatever
it's the world is it's the only thing left in
the world where you can take someone and move them
against their will and push them around and be physical
and not get in trouble for it, you know. And
so that's got to be a mindset like we're gonna
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take this guy and we're gonna move this guy, or
we're gonna protect this guy and no one's touching on
our quarterback. And so you need to sense and see
that from guys that when they're playing the game, they're
not trying to be precise or exact, but at the
end of the day, my man's not making a play.
And so the gritty toughness, the edge that they have
with that, and then you accentuate that and make sure
that that's on display all the time with the technique,
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the fundamentals, the scheme, you know, but when you press play,
you want teams that are watching you pregame and pre
week leading up, saying, man, we got to bring it
this week because these guys are coming after us, and
then when they leave the field, they've got to be
able to leave in the field, saying like we were
just in a battle with these guys because of how
they played.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
I don't know what you're like on game day, but
Paris Johnson Junior, we've come to find out, is a
totally different person on Sundays. Affable, easy going, highly intelligent,
great with the media. On game day, he's go got
a different look in his eye. What have you seen
and how much have you seen? You mentioned to the media,
You've you've already watched some of the game film and
the cut ups. Where do you think Paris Johnson Junior is,
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especially versus two years ago when he left Ohio State.
Speaker 8 (15:13):
Yeah, I think the more just the more you play
the game in general, and especially at offensive line play,
the more comfortable you get, so then it allows your
you know, your talent level to come out. I think
he's getting more comfortable with being Paris Johnson. And that
comes with maturity, that comes with reps that allows you
to play with enthusiasm and and a little less timid
or ah, maybe not a lot of Jews today because
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I got to make sure I get my job right.
I got to do my job. Whereas now you start
producing and you start doing your job, then you who
you are and your personality can show. And that's exactly him.
I mean off the field, he's an a one a
kid young man. I mean he's great. But then on
the field, like he's trying to take your soul, he's
trying to win. And the energy of the juice, the
the raw rah, that running down and jumping over the
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pile and a touchdown of things that you've seen that's
all and genuine and that can come out more and
more the more and more comfortable you are playing the game.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
I think you're gonna connect with your starting center, the
quarterback of the offensive line, Yelder Frohold. Just listening to
you and knowing what we know about Yelda. In fact,
you know what, for a little I don't know a
preview of maybe what you're gonna encounter when you get
these guys back in your offensive line room. Let's hear
from JG and then yell to himself from earlier this year.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
I like the dirt dog Meadhead, ultra intelligent, but like
keeps the main thing, the main thing, Like I want
to pick up a rock and carry it around, you
know what I mean? Like I want to crush forty
grams of protein when I'm talking to you guys, because
I need protein. Like I kind of love that, but
it all goes back into that's what he does to
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make sure that he's on point.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Oh, I love protein.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
Just always protein, man, It's the number one thing. The
more protein, the better, So always always more protein. Good
eighty grams here, so it works great. I want to
go to just like a stonemason, just be like you
just chopped me up some natural rocks and just one
und pound one hundred and fifty pounds two hundred pounder
and two and fifty pounder and just put him outside
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his decorations. But we all know what they're for, so
that'd be super fun. Just be the alpha on the street,
just carry around rocks. Sounds sick.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
He has Atlas stones in his home gym Okay, we
call him Magnus or Froholt. The world's strongest man. So
that's the kind of dude he is. Let me ask
you this, Once a guy enters the league, the NFL,
how much, in your opinion do you think he can
still improve? And how much of that is your job?
You know a lot of people think of NFL players
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has finished products. Do you agree with that?
Speaker 1 (17:48):
No?
Speaker 8 (17:48):
I think that, you know, you gotta have a growth mindset,
and whether that be mentally or physically, like, there's always
something that you can be improving improving upon, And so
I think that growth and the you know, it's a
said of the ascension, and as a guy goes that
may slow down a little bit and the angle may change,
but you can always continue to move forward, you know.
And so like you get to a veteran guy or
guy that's played a lot, if there's one or two
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things a different skill or just different discipline that you
can give those guys so that they can maximize the
talent that they have, then that's our job as coaches,
you know. JG says that too, And I love this,
as we talked in early staff meetings, like kind of
the rule ninety ten, like ninety percent of what's on
the field is the guys they have to do. It's
our job to make sure that that extra ten percent
we're giving them as coaches, putting them in the right
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position to succeed. Give them the right tools, give them
the right fundamentals, give them the right recovery whatever they
may that may be. That's how at this level you
have to maximize those guys because we're you've got your
God given ability. If God says you're an eight and
a half or a nine on the talent scale, then
your job as a coach is to make sure that
they are playing to that all the time. Overachieving doesn't
exist in my opinion, but maximizing what they are that's
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our job.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
It's well, justin Fry Cardinal's new offensive line coach, you
mentioned in college where three players you made a point
to watching the sideline Thomas Lamar Jackson, Kyler Murray. How
different is it, if at all, to protect pass protect
for an ultra athletic quarterback.
Speaker 8 (19:09):
The assurance of there's some eraser capability there, I think
is the nicest thing. You don't go into it looking
at it like, well, we've got to adjust or change
what we're doing or a new protection because of that ability.
You know, you play to their strengths. You make sure
that ultimately we've got to keep the depth of the pocket,
in the edge of the pocket, I mean, that's football
one on one. If he's got a chance to pull
the ball and go, but you know, take the defensi's
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life because they want to sneak into cover two and
not be accountable for him, then great, you know, but
overall philosophy of that no, Like, we've got to make
sure he stays up right, We've got to make sure
we're blocking the known rushers. And then if he can
get the ball delivered on time and rhythm, then great.
If he needs to make it play with his feet,
then he can do that.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
I've heard it said that offensive lineman love a running
back that doesn't go down in first contact. You have
James Connor in this backfield, and you have an offense
that has finished number two in yards per carry each
of the last two years in the NF Well, which
stats do you value the most and where would yards
per carry rank? And when you're trying to assess the
performance of your own line.
Speaker 8 (20:07):
Yeah, I think the yards before contact is something that
we've always looked at. So getting him to the second level.
You know, if we're meant to block those six with
the tight end involve, or those seven or two tight ends,
or you know, those eight with three tight ends involved.
Like we get into here, he's got the next man,
and so how far down the field or where can
you get them before? Yards before contact and then yards
after contact. That's where then it merges the yards per carry,
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you know, And so those ex plays get going because
the first second quarter, maybe even the third quarter, those
those secondary guys that are normally not primary run support guys,
they have to come down to tackle a big back
like that. They're going to tackle them and roll tackle
and get up and you know, hoot and holler and
dance and yeah, this is my gap. Here's where we're at.
And then you get that later in the game and
they got to do it again. They're taking a deeper breath.
And then that's right when a big back like that
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gets in their wheelhouse like we're still coming, you know.
And so if you can expand that yards before contact,
the deeper and farther you get out of see, then
you got a chance for X plays. When he's bouncing
off tackles.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Are you a believer real quick that an offensive line
can wear down a defense when you get into the
third and fourth quarter.
Speaker 8 (21:07):
Absolutely, absolutely, as simple as that.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
And how much the fact you played at Indiana? How
much does that help you as a coach? Hype your Yeah.
Speaker 8 (21:16):
I think being able to sit in the chair where
they've sat and the understanding of what they're really trying
to do or doing helps. And I think for them
looking at me knowing that I've played at a high
level and the coach high level. Obviously not at this level,
but you know, the understanding of what they're really going through,
what we're asking them to do, I think is going
to be beneficial for me as they look up at
the front of the room and I'm running the clicker.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
I'll tell you what. I'm ready to get a three
point stance right now, coach. So this has been outstanding.
Welcome to Arizona. You're enjoying the shorts. You're enjoy wearing shorts.
Speaker 8 (21:44):
Get up in the morning every day, loving it, love
it all.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
Right, Congrats to you and the family. We look forward
to it.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Thanks Paul.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
There you go. Justin Fry Cardinals new offensive line coach.
We continue with a big red rage presented by Santan
Ford and Gilbert. Right after this, how about rookie Darius
Robinson headetrates it ticks now, Hiron Williams.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Darius Robinson right there has a five technique over the
tackle and they ran the tackle zone right at him.
Jerius Robinson stuffed.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
It loss of to TfL for the first round rookie disruption.
Speaker 7 (22:22):
He can make plays in the pass and run game.
You know, we brought him here, so he's getting more comfortable,
the game slowing down. He's controlling what he needs to
control at a higher rate, executing better, and he's doing
a good job for US.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
JG on first round rookie last year, Darius Robinson late
in the year. You talk about roster construction and the blueprint,
it is built from the inside out. And I'm getting
a nodding head here at d rob who is a
big building block. And guess what, there is a new
project manager, a new construction foreman in the D line room.
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If you will part of this project. How about a
big rage welcome for D line coach Winston, the man
with the intimidating fourteen letter last name coach. You know
the commercials where the backup quarterback steps in like former
Cardinal Colt McCoy, and he has to finish up. So
I'm gonna ask for your assistance here in the pronunciation
of your last name.
Speaker 10 (23:16):
D Latt Boudair. So I actually did that at my
high school graduation. They left it up to me. So
the principal was like, we like to you know whatever,
Winston and I came in and I was like, Dola
t Boudair, and then all my family started going crazy.
So this is pretty cool. I got to do the
same thing.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
So as a guy with a seven letter last name
with an eye at the very end, I cannot tell
you how many times people butcher my name and it's
nowhere nearly as difficult as yours. So what what are
some of the funny pronunciations maybe you've received over the years,
or is there just too many to even recollect?
Speaker 10 (23:45):
It's so crazy. I've heard de labadeboor I've heard di
la bede beer. I've heard so many different things. But
every year, in grade school to middle school, you know,
to high school, the new teacher would mess it up
and it would be bad.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
How does NFL defensive line coach sound to you?
Speaker 10 (24:02):
I think that sounds better than debelele Bedder. That sounds elite,
It sounds awesome.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Why the NFL? Why this step in your career? And
we'll get to your age in a minute. That that's
the mind bowl around here. But why this job right now?
Speaker 10 (24:16):
I think that, you know, God puts people in certain
predicaments to be successful at certain times.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Right.
Speaker 10 (24:21):
I knew I always wanted to coach in the NFL.
I've watched my former teammates go play awesome football in
this league. But now I've also watched my former teammates
go coach awesome football in this league. So being able
to be here right now when this club you know,
is going to continue to ascend and do awesome things
coming up here in the very near future, I couldn't
think of anything better.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
All right, So your former teammate, Cardinals defensive coordinator Nick Rowlis,
tell us about the call that you receive this offseason.
Speaker 10 (24:50):
So I get a call. Well, first I got a
text that said call me at this time. So in
the back of my head, of course, there's a little
bit of resistance that's like like, like, what does this
dude think he is? He's just ordering me around X
amount of years later, you know, like we're still playing
on the field together. But there's a certain amount of
humility to when you've played with the guy. You respect
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him and you know that he has your best interest
at heart. So he said to call him at a
certain time. I woke my butt up in the next
morning and I called him at that time. I'm on
the road, I'm recruiting and different things like that, and
we talked through some different things. We caught up and
he was like, hey, dude, listen, like, I think we
might have an opportunity for you to get on and
just kind of show us what you've got and how
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do you feel about going ahead through a certain process.
And as we talked through it and things kind of
rolled down, you know, the hill, I was able to
be blessed with this opportunity. So getting that call and
it coming from a guy who I've had so much
respect for over the past few years. I've watched his
ascension and I've said I want to be like that.
I want to be like that. Getting a call from him,
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I mean it was. It was one of the most
beautiful phone calls I've ever gotten in my life.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
And to recap you were a young guy at the
University of Minnesota when he was sort of a captain
inside linebacker, kind of running the defense as a player.
Speaker 10 (26:03):
Yes, yes, I was a young guy. I was a
young guy with the big mouth, who didn't know how
to shut up right, who couldn't gain his body weight.
And I watched this guy and I watched how he
studied the game. I watched how meticulous he was, I
watched how detail he was, and again I said, I
want to be like that, and the things that he's done,
you know, as a coach, show and shine like to
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the person that he is and the player that he was,
how detailed he was, and his ability to be able
to teach, and his ability to be able to take
something from the meeting room and translate it onto the field.
It's it's miraculous, to say the least.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Here's seven time Pro bowler Buddha Baker on his defensive
coordinator and former teammate of yours, Nick Rowless.
Speaker 9 (26:44):
You know, I will say Nick is a narrative football.
He really knows the game, you know, he makes it
very easy for the players to understand the game. Guys,
are you know able to understand it and play fast?
And at the end of the day, that's what he
wants us to do. He wants us to know what
we're doing and after that and just play as fast
as we can.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
You know what.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
He's great with the media, but as the sideline reporter
for the Cardinals the last two decades, he is incredibly
intense and focused on game day. He is locked in
in a big way. And it's interesting. I think he
probably shares as similar philosophy as I saw you put
on Twitter. You view coaches as teachers. Can you elaborate
in that a little bit and you how do you
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think that'll be incorporated into the d line room and
how does that translate onto the field per se.
Speaker 10 (27:27):
I think that teaching is an art, right, and I
think some people think that coaching is just go out
there and yell at the guys. No, no, no, no, no.
It's a process. You've got to be able to teach guys.
You've got to be able to methodically build what they
know the game to be and elevate it to where
you want it to be able to go in the
classroom in their own personal time when you're just building
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that connection. Because it doesn't have to always be about football, right.
It has to be about building trust, right, which is
consists of time, consistency, and proof. So you're building that
trust for them to hear the message that you're gonna
give in the film room and then to go and
act it on the actual field. And even in this
past week, I mean Nick has taught me two or
three things about you know, he's walked past my office,
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he's peeked in, and this is the big brother and
him he's like, hey, don't make that slide yellow, make
that slide black and white. It's better for learning retention.
And he just walks past, wow, or he'll say too
many colors, bro, And he'll just walk back to his office.
And I'm like, this fricking guy. But it's awesome because
he's enhancing my teaching skills already. And it's not even
it's not even intense like you said, like he's on
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the sideline of a game right now. It's just casually
being able to make me better, which you know, I
crave age twenty seven. You know the way it works
in the NFL. And then locker rooms, you get into
your mid thirties, you get all the old head jokes.
You got a long ways to go before you even
read that stage, How do you think that helps you?
Because you've been known to actually get into the drills
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and demonstrate as a former D lineman and the big
ten yourself. Yes, yes, and what does that do?
Speaker 4 (28:59):
And then at the same time, do you think you
have to prove yourself as a young guy, new guy
in a D line room full of grown men.
Speaker 10 (29:07):
I think that being able to be young right now
and I can bend, and I can run, and I
can jump, and I can scream, and I can almost
do a backflip. Not really, guys, but you know, I
wish I could. I think that having an able body
gives me a superpower, right because a lot of other
coaches at this level, or even just older coaches in college,
they have to go about things a different way, which
I'll have to do at some point. But I'm gonna
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cross that bridge when I get there. Right now, I'm
gonna be in the drills, I'm gonna be interactive. I'm
gonna make sure that I captivate these guys attention on
a day to day basis. And when it comes to
proving myself, I don't think I'll ever have to stop
proving myself, and I think that that's the mentality that's
pushed me to get, you know, to where I've got
to be. There's a song and I listen to it
all the time. It's a J Cole song, and in
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the beginning, jay Z is speaking and he's saying, you know,
you might think that you're really good, but there's a
kid right now and he's somewhere eating apple Jackson. He's
trying to be better than you. So I would always
like say to myself, I'm still the kid with the Applejacks.
I'm the kid out there attempting to be better than
somebody else and that'll never stop. So proving myself to
the guys, I don't think it's gonna be so much
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of that. I think it's gonna be trust. I think
it's gonna be passionate. I think it's gonna be love.
But proving myself to other people, I always feel like
I'll have to.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
You told the media call your coach debo, So that's
what we'll do. D Line coach here Winston d Latibo Dare.
Maybe maybe I got that well, you got it, man,
that was awesome.
Speaker 10 (30:26):
That was good.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
Thirty six starts at the University of Minnesota. But you
also were academic all Big Ten. You got the Big
Ten Sportsmanship Award, the Tony Dungee Award for Character and
Community Service. So sounds like you had plans beyond just
being a football player from an early age.
Speaker 10 (30:43):
I did. I did so. I wanted to be an
FBI agent or a lawyer or I was like, I
had all these exotic things that I wanted to be.
And then I got a call after COVID kind of
came into play, and I got a call from Marcus
West up there in Buffalo, and he was like, you know,
you should come be a football coach. What a football
coach are you? I'm not a football coach. And it's
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funny because Coach Fleck would always say, you're going to
be an awesome coach. You're going to be an awesome coach.
I'm like, dude, no, I'm not. And you know you
blink your eyes and now you're here.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Wow. What are you looking forward to the most in
the NFL. I'm guessing you're not going to miss the recruiting.
I'm just going to assume that. But in the NFL,
what are you looking forward to the most, ors or anything?
You're most curious about about football at this level.
Speaker 10 (31:24):
I think I'm most excited about just the learning styles
of all the different guys.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Right.
Speaker 10 (31:29):
So, you in the NFL, you get rid of all
the guys who don't want to be there, And I
think in college sometimes guys are just there because their
mom told them they had to play college football or whatever,
so have you. But in the NFL, everybody loves it,
everybody's about it, everybody's looking towards.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
A common goal.
Speaker 10 (31:45):
So I want to be able to teach and be
able to kind of chisel and be able to kind
of refine these guys to make sure that they're at
their best. So I can't wait to see how they
learn and the ways that they're intentional about doing.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
So what makes a good defensive lineman? I know it
sounds football one oh one, But what makes a good
if you're gonna show film right of best practices, what
do you want to show your guys in your room?
Speaker 10 (32:08):
Motor and violence period. I could talk about all these
intangibles and having an eighty one inch wingspan and having
this and having that, but at the end of the day,
if they're not playing with motor and violence, right, then
they're not erasers, And I think that erasers are the
guys that are able to really stamp their name on
the game. That was something that's always been big with
me because I'm not the biggest guy. I'm not the
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strongest guy. But I was gonna play until my heart
was gonna explode because I knew that that was my deficit,
that I wasn't the most talented. Now you pair that
with these guys like Darius sure right, and you tell
them motor violence, motor violence, motor violence. You let that
dude go play with motor and violence. Lord help whoever
is in his way.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Right.
Speaker 10 (32:48):
So I think that that's gonna be the cool thing,
being able to pair my ability to press that point
about ef first and that being the lifeblood of a
defensive lineman and bring it to the fact that these
guys are very talent.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
If Manias important, you know, you and Justin Fry have
this competitive advantage of knowing the college game and knowing
college players really well going against in game, playing against
a lot of these guys. If Manias walks in with
some game film of a certain defensive lineman or offensive
lineman in the college game, how confident do you feel
like you can give him a pretty good scouting report.
Speaker 10 (33:19):
I feel really confident about it. That's all you had
to do with the transfer portal. That's all you had
to do with your guys on a day to day basis,
And then as roster turnovers started to happen at the
end of a year in college, you had to look
into the portal. You had to look at the freshmen
who were gonna come in, and you had to say,
are these guys able to give what this guy gave?
And if not, how do we get them there? So,
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if Moni was to come in right now and hand
me a stack of names or whatever, so have you.
I feel pretty confident about, you know, getting those guys
on the docket and evaluating them.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
Your energy is almost almost on par with Jonathan Gannon.
How have you hit it off with the head coach
so far?
Speaker 10 (33:54):
I am gonna keep getting after that dude because he
keeps getting after me. I love being around him, just
his energy of like wanting guys to be the best
that they can be, and even in the smallest things,
whether it's working out in the morning, bumping into him
in the weight room and him telling me I'm not
putting enough on the bar right, or him coming into
my office and just talking to me about hey, less
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is more when you're introducing this subject, or hey, listen
when you want to go talk to these guys, like
make sure you bring your energy, be who you are.
Just that encouragement. I love that because he's literally pouring
into my cup as I'm able to go ahead and
pour into these guys when the time comes and they're
back here at the facility and it's time for us
to get rolling. So being around JG has been a blessing.
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But I'm gonna start getting after that guy a little
bit more because he's getting after me.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
We do a Stev show. He's he's trying to get
me and Wolf to do the cold plunge every morning.
We're like, absolutely not kidding me. There's absolutely no chance,
speaking of. As we wrap it up here with coach Debo,
Cardinals new defensive line coach, the weather in the Twin
Cities today his in the teens and a low of
Z zero. So how good is this does it to
feel to have Hi's in the seventies in the azy.
Speaker 10 (35:04):
I am sweating right now, guys, I'm sweating.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
It's awesome.
Speaker 10 (35:08):
I'm getting a lot of sunlight right now, and you know,
I get to wake my wife jealous because she's still
up there in the Twin Cities. So I hope the
sunshine doesn't stop, and from what I've heard, it won't.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
You know what's interesting too, is you're a two time
participant of the Bill Walsh Diversity Coaching Fellowship.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Right.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
I'm old enough to have been a TV intern in
college at forty nine ers training camp, and I interviewed
Bill Walsh back in the day.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Oh wow, there you go.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
So this thing comes full circle. It's sure the unbelievable coach.
We really enjoyed it.
Speaker 10 (35:36):
Rant you so much, man, And uh look, I hope
I'll get a chance to get back on with you
guys soon.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
Oh yeah, absolutely. Don't have to ask us twice on
that one. There you go, coach Debo. We continue. It
is the Big Red Rage presented by santan Ford and Gilbert.
We are santan Ford. We continue right after this.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
Fitch to Connor running left, gotta crese at the thirty
up to the thirty five and down at the thirty seven.
Got a couple of offensive linemen out there, including the
center yelled to pro Hols.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Man you see, yelled the fro Holt. Wait down the
veegle making a block.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
Good job up there. Pro Hold was way downfield blocking
Cardinals again after the play, pushing and shoving. Pro Holt
was in there throwing hands.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
You like that, Wolf, Yeah, you got that right?
Speaker 3 (36:31):
That's all I get Wolf, Yeah, pro Holt throwing hands.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Give me a little love on that we got hike.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
Dave was proud of himself on that one. He enjoyed that.
He wanted some recognition, right, he wanted your admiration there,
Wolf on that call. So throwing hands, yes, I get it.
There the desert biking yelled a fro Holt. And you
know it is notable when the play by play guy
is calling out offensive lineman who're not only getting to
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the second level, maybe even the third level and beyond
and throwing throwing blocks all the way downfield. And Cardinals,
especially interior offensive linemen, were on the move quite a
bit this last year, as the Cardinals for the second
straight year, ended up number two in yards per carry.
It is the big Red rage presented by Santan Ford
in Gilbert Paul calvec Ron Wolfley. More importantly, Justin Frye
(37:21):
and Coach Deebo special thanks to them and for all
their insight. I tell you, I mean, well, let's just
go dueling takeaways. What stood out to you the most
with either coach? We just talked talked to Coach Debo,
But I mean, what what stands out to you and
is most memorable.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
I have to say, first of all, Justin fry sounds
just like JG. I mean the terminology that he uses,
the speech pattern for the most part, he sounds like
JG and Paully that that is no accident to me.
Once again, It's not like he showed up and suddenly
is absorbing everything JG says and he's regurgitating it to others.
(38:02):
This is a man. This is a man who believes
this stuff to his core. It is dogma for him.
And I love the fact he's got the same mentality
as JG has in terms of actually running the ball
and being physical. This is where it starts. And then
I would have to flip it over with Coach Debo
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on the defensive line, and I would have to say,
I love the fact that he was talking about never
He's never gonna stop trying to prove himself. I love that.
I love the fact that he said that. And motor
and violence is what he said as well, And the
fact that it actually equals an eraser, that being a
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guy that has that motor and violence can erase things.
And that's what I love.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
You know, both guys were starters in the Big ten,
in the trenches, O line, in D line. The positions
that they coached, they played at a high level. A
how effective do you think that makes them as a coach?
Speaker 1 (39:01):
How vital is that?
Speaker 4 (39:02):
And be the fact they're young enough to actually get
into the drills, and both of them cited that they're
going to get into the drills, they're going to demonstrate it.
I mean, that's going to be a sight to watch
when it gets around a Cardinals camp.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Yeah. No, it's It's really important, Paully, It really is.
You know, modeling something for somebody is really important as well.
I talk about it all the time. You got a culture,
you got a belief, somebody's got to walk around and
model that. Well, it's the same thing if you're trying
to coach it, you have to be able to execute it.
If you're trying to coach these guys, you've got to
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be able to show them as well. And that's why
for these two coaches to be as young as they
are and as mobile and in shape as they are.
I don't think that was an accident, Paul. I think
that's one of the reasons why they're here.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
You know, I actually jotted down the quote when coach
Deebo said, you know, my ability as a young guy
gives me a superpower quote unquote as a coach, because
you know, older coaches can't do it, he said, so
I have to leverage it as long as I can
being a twenty seven year old guy. They both also
talked about, you know, the physicality, you know, coach Deebo,
effort is the lifeblood of a defensive line. And I
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just found it really intriguing that, you know, they they
go about their process with thinking that, Okay, look, the
ability is there, but now it's my job to make
sure the ability is consistent and to get that last
ten percent out of players, which is also a JG
belief that they firmly believe coaches can do. If a
player is well coach, you can get that last ten
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percent out of their ability, which you know, in the
NFL can be the separator between a win and a loss.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Pauli, it's so critical. It really is the fact that
you have a coach that believes effort, believes in effort. Now,
you know, paul I talk about this all the time,
but you have to culture begins with a thought, and
that thought is okay. In this case, we need defensive
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linemen who are going to show effort. We need defensive
linemen who are going to give effort. We need that
this coach believes that's what makes a good defensive lineman.
Part of what makes a good defensive lineman, he's got
to show effort and he's got to have effort. Listen,
that's the thought that he has. Now you have to
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speak it to everybody, and then you need to be
able to model it. You need a guy that you
can point to on tape and say look at this,
put the red dot on him and say look at this.
Watch the effort that we're getting right here from our
three technique. This is the way stuff happens and how
teams get better and how individual rooms get better, in
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this case the defensive line.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
How about the story where Nick rollis former college teammate
of coach Debo at the University of Minnesota walk by
his offense and said, no, no, no, no, don't put
color into your slides. Don't use yellow, just stick black
and white and enhances retention. I mean, talk about attention
to detail, right, and well, we we know we know
JG well enough. You can just see like you said earlier, right,
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I mean there's a rhyme in or reason, there's a
pattern to who they're hiring, and they all seem to
be these highly detailed coaches and players.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
Yeah, no, PAULI, I mean honestly that that right there.
I when I when I heard him say that, you know,
I was wondering if he was busting his you know,
kicking him in the cradle a little bit, just to
bust him on that right there. I don't know, Paulli,
but at the same time, it didn't sound like he
was joking. No what he wont by So you know,
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I mean, this is this is really exciting because the
line of scrimmage is so important. It has become so
integral to what the Arizona Cardinals are going to do
on offense and defense that I think it's only gonna
get bigger, It's only going to get stronger. It's only
going to get better. And Paulie, you know, I am
a huge believer about the line of scrimmage on both
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sides of the ball, and that's where I think this
team can improve the most. And Darius Robinson. I've got
huge expectations for Darius Robinson in year two. Of course,
we how many draft picks have we seen their rookie
year and then their second year and how much better
they've been in their second year. I think of Dante Stills,
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I think Garret Williams immediately. I think of these guys
Paully that have developed so much and are going to
continue to develop. But I think that's going to be
Darius Robinson as well. Let's hope that happens.
Speaker 4 (43:32):
Yeah, And in terms of the entire roster, I think
a Trey McBride right year two, I mean halfway through
year two and all of a sudden you're like, Wow,
look at this guy, and then now, all of a sudden,
he's a pro bowler. Other standout moments I think from
those two interviews, justin Frye, we asked him about yards
per carry, Cardinals number two in the NFL each of
the last two years. He said, you know what, I
value more yards before contact. I don't want my running
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back to get hit until he's did the second level.
So that's interesting. His walk off was, Yes, I absolutely
believe an offensive line can wear down a defensive front
in the third and fourth quarters. He believes in that.
And then, in terms of what we talked about earlier
in this edition of The Big Red Rage are all trenches. Addition,
when we ask coach Debo about whether he would feel
(44:14):
confident if Moni walked in with some names and some
game film about giving opinions on college players college offensive
and defensive lineman that he has observed firsthand, he said,
I feel really confident. I just think that's going to
be a resource that the GM leans on those two
guys coming directly from the college game.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
Yeah. No, you're right, Pauli. He really is. And right
now I also think too, that's where guys grow the
most in the NFL. You can go out and get
a corner, Pauli. You can go out and get a
wide receiver and the guy has got incredible talent, and yeah,
they will get better. And it doesn't mean just because
they've got that talent they're going to have great rookie years.
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We all understand that, but to me, the area of
growth where a guy really can grow the most, it's
on the line of scrimmage. It is, and the confidence
he can gain from playing better on the line of scrimmage.
It's so related to the coaching he's receiving. All right.
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Speaker 4 (01:03):
Even here in February, head on a swivel, mock drafts
coming in hot. The franchise tag window now open. Combine
invites have been extended, three hundred and twenty nine of
them in all. Cardinals are gonna test, They're gonna measure,
They're gonna interview players as they try and build a
team that has built football tough, both mentally and physically.
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In fact, with that in mind, it is the All
Trenches Edition of the Big Red Rage, presented by santan
Ford and Gilbert. We are santan Ford and we're gonna
hear from the two new line coaches, the old line
coach Justin Fry, the new d line coach Winston Di
Latte Beaudare, and All Trench's edition. Ron Wolfley there, Paul
Calbci here, wolf fresh off his own highlight reel that
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was posted to the Cardinals Twitter. How about that? And
we're not talking about Wolf's Pro Bowl seasons either. It
wasn't on the field. It it was Wolfe's best radio calls,
you know, replete with video and animation. Ra I mean
they turn the Telestrader on you, Wolf.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Yeah, Paulie, nobody cares. Let me just say that first.
And number two, can I just say I'm going to
call him coach Debo? Is that okay? Is he okay
with Coach Deba? He is?
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Actually, he gave the media permission for that, So yes,
you're onto something there, and you know, we'll talk to
him later. We might outsource the pronunciation a little bit later. Okay,
man's got to know his limitations around here. So there's
that We look forward to those conversations and those are
straight ahead. But as I mentioned, we have mock drafts
coming in. I mean there's at least one a day.
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At least one a day. I mean even now, they
have the editor of NFL dot com, who has like
seven hundred followers on Twitter, coming out with his own
mock draft that they're posting to the site. In fact,
that one fresh off the press is today as the
Cardinal is going number sixteen overall, Walter Nolan, a de
tackle out of Ole miss And I mean there's a
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lot to like there. There's an NSC National Scouts quoted
as saying, nobody questions how talent he is and how
hardy plays, super twitched up and really explosive. Okay, you
know we're all on board with that. But wolf, let
me hit zoom out for a minute. It seems most
of these mock drafts are trending towards the Cardinals going
D line dtackle in particular. Yeah, but if this position
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group is so loaded, which is what Daniel Jeremiah says
that at this time of year ago he had a dozen,
you know, worthy guys at this combine. Now there's two
dozen worthy D linemen. He thinks we're going to be
NFL starters right out of the gate. If it's so loaded,
then maybe you go ahead and go with another position,
number sixteen overall and then address D line in round two.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Perhaps, Yeah, that's a well, Paully, that's a possibility. And
I would also add this, And you and I were
talking about this a little bit before the broadcast, but
remember many Austin Fords loves to do what when it
comes to the draft.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Let Moni cook, Yes, the trading us. The dealer is down, Yes.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Yes, let him trade down. And could I see that happening?
If you've got, if you've got, if you're really eyeballing
defensive line and you think it's really strong in this draft, man,
that really sets it up for Monti asin for it.
They're at number sixteen to go ahead and trade back
in the draft and collect some some more draft picks
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and draft currency. And you know how much Monti asin
for loves doing that. I could see him doing that, Paulie.
And not only that too, What is one of the
other positions that you hear with the Arizona Cardinals in
terms of their draft selection in the first round.
Speaker 4 (04:36):
Interior another one.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
That's it, PAULI. Right there, it's offensive guard for the
most part. And to me, there are guys that are
out there. I happen to love Tyler Booker, the big
guard from Alabama. He's over sixty five, He's three hundred
and twenty five, three hundred and thirty pounds somewhere in
that vicinity right there. He's got excellent feet. I mean,
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I would love to see them continue to build this
offensive line from the inside out.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
I could definitely see that. I mean, look at the
division too, right first, you got to compete in your
own division. Look what the Rams just did the last
two years in building their D line. I mean Braydon
Fist and Jared Bursey the NFL Defensive Player of the Year,
and Byron Young and Kobe Turner in the last two drafts.
You gotta deal with that. You got to deal with
the forty nine ers, Nick Bosa and company and the
Niners always value defensive line play. And then the two
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losses against Seattle this year, With all due respect to
Geno Smith, it was really Leonard Williams who wrecked the game.
So you could absolutely make a case that the Cardinals
in Round one continue to bolster the offensive line. Just
basing your division the NFC West.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Yeah, Paul, and you know, once again, this is something
we know that Manti assen Ford and JG. They believe
in this man. What does JG say about offensive linemen.
It's his spirit position, his offensive line, and not only
that too. I'm looking at guys like a Kenneth Grant
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from Michigan. I think he might be there at number
sixteen or even later. To your point about the possibility
of all of these defensive linemen, and maybe Manti asin
Fort might move down. But Kenneth Grant, I love from Michigan.
This is a guy six three hundred and forty two pounds,
and if you watch any tape on him, it is
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stunning how quick he moves, how fast his feet are.
So for me, I like this because he's also a
very physical, effort based guy.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
It's interesting. I'm looking at this NFL dot Com scouting report.
There's an NSC scout anonymous quota to saying quote Kenneth
Grant was a little inconsistent on tape last season, but
he's going to be a freaky tester, and guys with
that size and those numbers are really hard to find.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
You know.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
What else is intriguing to me is, if you want
to know about Kenneth Grant, you know what a great
resource would be. I don't know the former offensive line
coach at Ohio State that you just hired, and Justin Fryt. Yes,
if you really want to know about Kenneth Grant, and
you know, and some of these other guys coming out
of the Big Ten, or I don't know, some of
the other elite teams you just played in the postseason
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in college football, like Tennessee and Texas and some of
these other schools that are loaded in defensive linemen. I
gotta imagine Monni Is walking into his new offensive lineman's
coaches often say, Hey, what do you think about this guy?
What do you think about that guy?
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Oh? Yeah, no, you're you're right about that, Paul, I
mean Justin Fryar, are you kidding me? Walk in and
sit down and say tell me about Josh Simmons. Yes,
tell me about Josh Simmons right now, the offensive tackle
that a lot of people think could also play guard,
and it's one of the reasons why I'm very interested
if he were there at number sixteen, would the Arizona
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Cardinals be interested? Maybe not. Maybe I still believe, just
because they want to build on the line of scrimmage
again offensively and defensively, that they might unless there's a
guy there that they absolutely love, that they might continue
to trade back. But Josh Simmons is also a guy
that has been linked with the Cardinals at number sixteen.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
But to your point about MANI possibly potentially trading down,
not only does he have that track record, like you say,
but the Cardinals have six six draft picks this year.
A year ago they had a dozen, So yes, you know,
there could be that desire to uh you know, I
mean more is more in the draft. So we'll see
about that. Hey, learn more about the Cardinal season tickets,
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the premium seating, the groups and luxury field seating experiences.
All you have to do is go to Azycardinals dot
com slash tickets. All right, Why the NFL? What is
he value the most? How does he teach? Who can
Paris Johnson Junior become Let's ask the new Cardinals offensive
line coach, Justin fry when we come back and the
big Red Rage presented by Santan Ford in Gilbert.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
You line up and you left that offensive line, he
Harris Johnson Junior at the point of attacks, hits the
block that gets him in the ends on that is
still be good.
Speaker 7 (09:17):
I thought he played well. You know, he switched positions.
You know, he keeps quarterback up right and then he
moves people in the run game, you know what I mean.
And he's smart and he's the character that you want.
And I think he's still as sending. I know he's
extremely motivated and disciplined and fired up to go into
this offseason. What he wants to work on and improve
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that those aspects of his game that he wants to
take the next step. But very pleased where he's at.
And again I think that he's going to continue to improve.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Is Jonathan Gannon JG on Paris Johnson Junior going into
the offseason. You know the old saying how a football
team is a reflection of its head coach. How about
an offensive line, how much does it reflect it's position coach? Well,
this probably comes as no surprise to anyone. Polly pencil
Neck over here has never played in the trenches. So
let's ask someone who's been there, done that, played it,
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coached it, and has just been hired as the Cardinals
offensive line coach by Jonathan Gannon. How about a big
red welcome to Justin fry here on the Big Red Rage,
presented by Santan Ford and Gilbert Welcome to the a Z.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Justin.
Speaker 8 (10:22):
Good to be here, good to walk around in shorts
and a light jacket, and it's exciting.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Do you take your snowshovel and just back your car
over it on your way out?
Speaker 1 (10:32):
No?
Speaker 8 (10:32):
I put the two. I put my two youngest or
my two oldest boys on it. Last weekend, I snuck
home for the weekend and we got some snow and
Columbus and I said, hey, Kevin, Max, get out there
and earn your keep.
Speaker 9 (10:42):
Man.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
What's it like when you tell the family that you
just achieved a career objective of promotion and you're going
to the NFL And guess what, kids, pack up, pack up,
we're moving.
Speaker 8 (10:51):
Yeah, I mean they You know your wife, she's got
to know what she's getting into. And I've been blessed.
You know, Lauren is awesome. She was an elite level,
high level swimmer, so competitive and get all gets all that,
so we knew what we were getting into. It's with
your kids, just as you said, there's some uneasiness there
because you're you're plucking them out of their comfort zone
and their routine and what they know. But they're old
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enough now to where they get this is our journey
and this.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Is what we do.
Speaker 8 (11:16):
And we've talked about it that way, and that's, like
I said, that's really been the vision of Lorna and
I with the kids, because I mean I've had you know,
my oldest was born in Florida, my daughter was born
in Philadelphia. The two younger ones were born in Boston.
Then we go from Boston to la at some point,
you know, during the career, and then back to the Midwest.
And so it's delicate, but they they understand and they're excited.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
And you just won a national title at Ohio State.
Congrats on that. Why the NFL? What's the appeal?
Speaker 5 (11:44):
Ah?
Speaker 8 (11:45):
This is the mecca? This is it. You know, you
get into this business and you get into coaching, and
you want to develop young men from a starting point
in college and you want to play at a high
level and compete for championships. I had an opportunity to
do that with great kids at a great program, with
a great organization, with Ryan on and so when this
call came, you know, nice to walk out when you
know the last time you're on the field, the confetti
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was falling and you were holding up to thirty five pounds,
you know, championship trophy. And so the opportunity to come
work at the highest level, because whether you're playing and
then you get done, at some point we're all done playing,
you still have the competitive spirit and competitive nature. And
so to be able to come here and be able
to coach at the highest level and develop the highest
level guys in the world at what they do as
a no brainer.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
New Cardinals offensive line coach Justin Fryes our guest in
the Big Red Rage presented by Santan Ford and Gilbert.
We'll get to Paris Johnson Junior in a moment. We
just heard from him. What does he know about you
in your style along with John Gains you coached them
at UCLA that the other guys in the room are
going to find out. Describe yourself your style as an
offensive line coach.
Speaker 8 (12:45):
Probably the energy and enthusiasm just as you said, like
the program is a reflection a head coach on down
and then each individual room like your your unit is
a reflection of you. And so for me, I'm a
younger guy. I'm forty one years old, still mobiles to
able to get down and do something. So the hands
on style of teaching or the actual showing of guys
like no, get get down and do this now, they'll
do it way faster than me obviously, sure, but I
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think just the energy and enthusiasm that I have for
just the game of football. And then within the offensive
line play, it's such a fundamental technique and toughness and
those are all grouped together, one not more important than
the other ultimately, but they have to sense and feel
that from their coach. It can't be a guy that
sits back and just tells them what to do and
the expectation of something different. In my opinion, they're gonna
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sense and feel that it's gonna be something with me
where I'm gonna be out there sweating and going through
and going with them so that when they go out
on Sundays or you know, Mondays or Thursdays when over'
you know, structure to play that they can go put
out that on the field because I'm giving it to
them the same way as much as I can without
putting the pads on.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
Ye, what do you value the most when you flip
on the film? What do you value? What are you
looking for?
Speaker 8 (13:50):
Yeah, the first thing is just got to be physicality.
You've got to see guys that. I mean, the beautiful
thing about offensive line play is it's it's anti whatever
it's the world is it's the only thing left in
the world where you can take someone and move them
against their will and push them around and be physical
and not get in trouble for it, you know. And
so that's got to be a mindset like we're gonna
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take this guy and we're gonna move this guy, or
we're gonna protect this guy and no one's touching on
our quarterback. And so you need to sense and see
that from guys that when they're playing the game, they're
not trying to be precise or exact, but at the
end of the day, my man's not making a play.
And so the gritty toughness, the edge that they have
with that, and then you accentuate that and make sure
that that's on display all the time with the technique,
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the fundamentals, the scheme, you know, but when you press play,
you want teams that are watching you pregame and pre
week leading up, saying, man, we got to bring it
this week because these guys are coming after us, and
then when they leave the field, they've got to be
able to leave in the field, saying like we were
just in a battle with these guys because of how
they played.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
I don't know what you're like on game day, but
Paris Johnson Junior, we've come to find out, is a
totally different person on Sundays. Affable, easy going, highly intelligent,
great with the media. On game day, he's go got
a different look in his eye. What have you seen
and how much have you seen? You mentioned to the media,
You've you've already watched some of the game film and
the cut ups. Where do you think Paris Johnson Junior is,
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especially versus two years ago when he left Ohio State.
Speaker 8 (15:13):
Yeah, I think the more just the more you play
the game in general, and especially at offensive line play,
the more comfortable you get, so then it allows your
you know, your talent level to come out. I think
he's getting more comfortable with being Paris Johnson. And that
comes with maturity, that comes with reps that allows you
to play with enthusiasm and and a little less timid
or ah, maybe not a lot of Jews today because
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I got to make sure I get my job right.
I got to do my job. Whereas now you start
producing and you start doing your job, then you who
you are and your personality can show. And that's exactly him.
I mean off the field, he's an a one a
kid young man. I mean he's great. But then on
the field, like he's trying to take your soul, he's
trying to win. And the energy of the juice, the
the raw rah, that running down and jumping over the
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pile and a touchdown of things that you've seen that's
all and genuine and that can come out more and
more the more and more comfortable you are playing the game.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
I think you're gonna connect with your starting center, the
quarterback of the offensive line, Yelder Frohold. Just listening to
you and knowing what we know about Yelda. In fact,
you know what, for a little I don't know a
preview of maybe what you're gonna encounter when you get
these guys back in your offensive line room. Let's hear
from JG and then yell to himself from earlier this year.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
I like the dirt dog Meadhead, ultra intelligent, but like
keeps the main thing, the main thing, Like I want
to pick up a rock and carry it around, you
know what I mean? Like I want to crush forty
grams of protein when I'm talking to you guys, because
I need protein. Like I kind of love that, but
it all goes back into that's what he does to
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make sure that he's on point.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Oh, I love protein.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
Just always protein, man, It's the number one thing. The
more protein, the better, So always always more protein. Good
eighty grams here, so it works great. I want to
go to just like a stonemason, just be like you
just chopped me up some natural rocks and just one
und pound one hundred and fifty pounds two hundred pounder
and two and fifty pounder and just put him outside
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his decorations. But we all know what they're for, so
that'd be super fun. Just be the alpha on the street,
just carry around rocks. Sounds sick.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
He has Atlas stones in his home gym Okay, we
call him Magnus or Froholt. The world's strongest man. So
that's the kind of dude he is. Let me ask
you this, Once a guy enters the league, the NFL,
how much, in your opinion do you think he can
still improve? And how much of that is your job?
You know a lot of people think of NFL players
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has finished products. Do you agree with that?
Speaker 1 (17:48):
No?
Speaker 8 (17:48):
I think that, you know, you gotta have a growth mindset,
and whether that be mentally or physically, like, there's always
something that you can be improving improving upon, And so
I think that growth and the you know, it's a
said of the ascension, and as a guy goes that
may slow down a little bit and the angle may change,
but you can always continue to move forward, you know.
And so like you get to a veteran guy or
guy that's played a lot, if there's one or two
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things a different skill or just different discipline that you
can give those guys so that they can maximize the
talent that they have, then that's our job as coaches,
you know. JG says that too, And I love this,
as we talked in early staff meetings, like kind of
the rule ninety ten, like ninety percent of what's on
the field is the guys they have to do. It's
our job to make sure that that extra ten percent
we're giving them as coaches, putting them in the right
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position to succeed. Give them the right tools, give them
the right fundamentals, give them the right recovery whatever they
may that may be. That's how at this level you
have to maximize those guys because we're you've got your
God given ability. If God says you're an eight and
a half or a nine on the talent scale, then
your job as a coach is to make sure that
they are playing to that all the time. Overachieving doesn't
exist in my opinion, but maximizing what they are that's
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our job.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
It's well, justin Fry Cardinal's new offensive line coach, you
mentioned in college where three players you made a point
to watching the sideline Thomas Lamar Jackson, Kyler Murray. How
different is it, if at all, to protect pass protect
for an ultra athletic quarterback.
Speaker 8 (19:09):
The assurance of there's some eraser capability there, I think
is the nicest thing. You don't go into it looking
at it like, well, we've got to adjust or change
what we're doing or a new protection because of that ability.
You know, you play to their strengths. You make sure
that ultimately we've got to keep the depth of the pocket,
in the edge of the pocket, I mean, that's football
one on one. If he's got a chance to pull
the ball and go, but you know, take the defensi's
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life because they want to sneak into cover two and
not be accountable for him, then great, you know, but
overall philosophy of that no, Like, we've got to make
sure he stays up right, We've got to make sure
we're blocking the known rushers. And then if he can
get the ball delivered on time and rhythm, then great.
If he needs to make it play with his feet,
then he can do that.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
I've heard it said that offensive lineman love a running
back that doesn't go down in first contact. You have
James Connor in this backfield, and you have an offense
that has finished number two in yards per carry each
of the last two years in the NF Well, which
stats do you value the most and where would yards
per carry rank? And when you're trying to assess the
performance of your own line.
Speaker 8 (20:07):
Yeah, I think the yards before contact is something that
we've always looked at. So getting him to the second level.
You know, if we're meant to block those six with
the tight end involve, or those seven or two tight ends,
or you know, those eight with three tight ends involved.
Like we get into here, he's got the next man,
and so how far down the field or where can
you get them before? Yards before contact and then yards
after contact. That's where then it merges the yards per carry,
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you know, And so those ex plays get going because
the first second quarter, maybe even the third quarter, those
those secondary guys that are normally not primary run support guys,
they have to come down to tackle a big back
like that. They're going to tackle them and roll tackle
and get up and you know, hoot and holler and
dance and yeah, this is my gap. Here's where we're at.
And then you get that later in the game and
they got to do it again. They're taking a deeper breath.
And then that's right when a big back like that
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gets in their wheelhouse like we're still coming, you know.
And so if you can expand that yards before contact,
the deeper and farther you get out of see, then
you got a chance for X plays. When he's bouncing
off tackles.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Are you a believer real quick that an offensive line
can wear down a defense when you get into the
third and fourth quarter.
Speaker 8 (21:07):
Absolutely, absolutely, as simple as that.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
And how much the fact you played at Indiana? How
much does that help you as a coach? Hype your Yeah.
Speaker 8 (21:16):
I think being able to sit in the chair where
they've sat and the understanding of what they're really trying
to do or doing helps. And I think for them
looking at me knowing that I've played at a high
level and the coach high level. Obviously not at this level,
but you know, the understanding of what they're really going through,
what we're asking them to do, I think is going
to be beneficial for me as they look up at
the front of the room and I'm running the clicker.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
I'll tell you what. I'm ready to get a three
point stance right now, coach. So this has been outstanding.
Welcome to Arizona. You're enjoying the shorts. You're enjoy wearing shorts.
Speaker 8 (21:44):
Get up in the morning every day, loving it, love
it all.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
Right, Congrats to you and the family. We look forward
to it.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Thanks Paul.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
There you go. Justin Fry Cardinals new offensive line coach.
We continue with a big red rage presented by Santan
Ford and Gilbert. Right after this, how about rookie Darius
Robinson headetrates it ticks now, Hiron Williams.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Darius Robinson right there has a five technique over the
tackle and they ran the tackle zone right at him.
Jerius Robinson stuffed.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
It loss of to TfL for the first round rookie disruption.
Speaker 7 (22:22):
He can make plays in the pass and run game.
You know, we brought him here, so he's getting more comfortable,
the game slowing down. He's controlling what he needs to
control at a higher rate, executing better, and he's doing
a good job for US.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
JG on first round rookie last year, Darius Robinson late
in the year. You talk about roster construction and the blueprint,
it is built from the inside out. And I'm getting
a nodding head here at d rob who is a
big building block. And guess what, there is a new
project manager, a new construction foreman in the D line room.
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If you will part of this project. How about a
big rage welcome for D line coach Winston, the man
with the intimidating fourteen letter last name coach. You know
the commercials where the backup quarterback steps in like former
Cardinal Colt McCoy, and he has to finish up. So
I'm gonna ask for your assistance here in the pronunciation
of your last name.
Speaker 10 (23:16):
D Latt Boudair. So I actually did that at my
high school graduation. They left it up to me. So
the principal was like, we like to you know whatever,
Winston and I came in and I was like, Dola
t Boudair, and then all my family started going crazy.
So this is pretty cool. I got to do the
same thing.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
So as a guy with a seven letter last name
with an eye at the very end, I cannot tell
you how many times people butcher my name and it's
nowhere nearly as difficult as yours. So what what are
some of the funny pronunciations maybe you've received over the years,
or is there just too many to even recollect?
Speaker 10 (23:45):
It's so crazy. I've heard de labadeboor I've heard di
la bede beer. I've heard so many different things. But
every year, in grade school to middle school, you know,
to high school, the new teacher would mess it up
and it would be bad.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
How does NFL defensive line coach sound to you?
Speaker 10 (24:02):
I think that sounds better than debelele Bedder. That sounds elite,
It sounds awesome.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Why the NFL? Why this step in your career? And
we'll get to your age in a minute. That that's
the mind bowl around here. But why this job right now?
Speaker 10 (24:16):
I think that, you know, God puts people in certain
predicaments to be successful at certain times.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Right.
Speaker 10 (24:21):
I knew I always wanted to coach in the NFL.
I've watched my former teammates go play awesome football in
this league. But now I've also watched my former teammates
go coach awesome football in this league. So being able
to be here right now when this club you know,
is going to continue to ascend and do awesome things
coming up here in the very near future, I couldn't
think of anything better.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
All right, So your former teammate, Cardinals defensive coordinator Nick Rowlis,
tell us about the call that you receive this offseason.
Speaker 10 (24:50):
So I get a call. Well, first I got a
text that said call me at this time. So in
the back of my head, of course, there's a little
bit of resistance that's like like, like, what does this
dude think he is? He's just ordering me around X
amount of years later, you know, like we're still playing
on the field together. But there's a certain amount of
humility to when you've played with the guy. You respect
(25:10):
him and you know that he has your best interest
at heart. So he said to call him at a
certain time. I woke my butt up in the next
morning and I called him at that time. I'm on
the road, I'm recruiting and different things like that, and
we talked through some different things. We caught up and
he was like, hey, dude, listen, like, I think we
might have an opportunity for you to get on and
just kind of show us what you've got and how
(25:31):
do you feel about going ahead through a certain process.
And as we talked through it and things kind of
rolled down, you know, the hill, I was able to
be blessed with this opportunity. So getting that call and
it coming from a guy who I've had so much
respect for over the past few years. I've watched his
ascension and I've said I want to be like that.
I want to be like that. Getting a call from him,
(25:52):
I mean it was. It was one of the most
beautiful phone calls I've ever gotten in my life.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
And to recap you were a young guy at the
University of Minnesota when he was sort of a captain
inside linebacker, kind of running the defense as a player.
Speaker 10 (26:03):
Yes, yes, I was a young guy. I was a
young guy with the big mouth, who didn't know how
to shut up right, who couldn't gain his body weight.
And I watched this guy and I watched how he
studied the game. I watched how meticulous he was, I
watched how detail he was, and again I said, I
want to be like that, and the things that he's done,
you know, as a coach, show and shine like to
(26:23):
the person that he is and the player that he was,
how detailed he was, and his ability to be able
to teach, and his ability to be able to take
something from the meeting room and translate it onto the field.
It's it's miraculous, to say the least.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
Here's seven time Pro bowler Buddha Baker on his defensive
coordinator and former teammate of yours, Nick Rowless.
Speaker 9 (26:44):
You know, I will say Nick is a narrative football.
He really knows the game, you know, he makes it
very easy for the players to understand the game. Guys,
are you know able to understand it and play fast?
And at the end of the day, that's what he
wants us to do. He wants us to know what
we're doing and after that and just play as fast
as we can.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
You know what.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
He's great with the media, but as the sideline reporter
for the Cardinals the last two decades, he is incredibly
intense and focused on game day. He is locked in
in a big way. And it's interesting. I think he
probably shares as similar philosophy as I saw you put
on Twitter. You view coaches as teachers. Can you elaborate
in that a little bit and you how do you
(27:21):
think that'll be incorporated into the d line room and
how does that translate onto the field per se.
Speaker 10 (27:27):
I think that teaching is an art, right, and I
think some people think that coaching is just go out
there and yell at the guys. No, no, no, no, no.
It's a process. You've got to be able to teach guys.
You've got to be able to methodically build what they
know the game to be and elevate it to where
you want it to be able to go in the
classroom in their own personal time when you're just building
(27:50):
that connection. Because it doesn't have to always be about football, right.
It has to be about building trust, right, which is
consists of time, consistency, and proof. So you're building that
trust for them to hear the message that you're gonna
give in the film room and then to go and
act it on the actual field. And even in this
past week, I mean Nick has taught me two or
three things about you know, he's walked past my office,
(28:12):
he's peeked in, and this is the big brother and
him he's like, hey, don't make that slide yellow, make
that slide black and white. It's better for learning retention.
And he just walks past, wow, or he'll say too
many colors, bro, And he'll just walk back to his office.
And I'm like, this fricking guy. But it's awesome because
he's enhancing my teaching skills already. And it's not even
it's not even intense like you said, like he's on
(28:34):
the sideline of a game right now. It's just casually
being able to make me better, which you know, I
crave age twenty seven. You know the way it works
in the NFL. And then locker rooms, you get into
your mid thirties, you get all the old head jokes.
You got a long ways to go before you even
read that stage, How do you think that helps you?
Because you've been known to actually get into the drills
(28:54):
and demonstrate as a former D lineman and the big
ten yourself. Yes, yes, and what does that do?
Speaker 4 (28:59):
And then at the same time, do you think you
have to prove yourself as a young guy, new guy
in a D line room full of grown men.
Speaker 10 (29:07):
I think that being able to be young right now
and I can bend, and I can run, and I
can jump, and I can scream, and I can almost
do a backflip. Not really, guys, but you know, I
wish I could. I think that having an able body
gives me a superpower, right because a lot of other
coaches at this level, or even just older coaches in college,
they have to go about things a different way, which
I'll have to do at some point. But I'm gonna
(29:28):
cross that bridge when I get there. Right now, I'm
gonna be in the drills, I'm gonna be interactive. I'm
gonna make sure that I captivate these guys attention on
a day to day basis. And when it comes to
proving myself, I don't think I'll ever have to stop
proving myself, and I think that that's the mentality that's
pushed me to get, you know, to where I've got
to be. There's a song and I listen to it
all the time. It's a J Cole song, and in
(29:49):
the beginning, jay Z is speaking and he's saying, you know,
you might think that you're really good, but there's a
kid right now and he's somewhere eating apple Jackson. He's
trying to be better than you. So I would always
like say to myself, I'm still the kid with the Applejacks.
I'm the kid out there attempting to be better than
somebody else and that'll never stop. So proving myself to
the guys, I don't think it's gonna be so much
(30:10):
of that. I think it's gonna be trust. I think
it's gonna be passionate. I think it's gonna be love.
But proving myself to other people, I always feel like
I'll have to.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
You told the media call your coach debo, So that's
what we'll do. D Line coach here Winston d Latibo Dare.
Maybe maybe I got that well, you got it, man,
that was awesome.
Speaker 10 (30:26):
That was good.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
Thirty six starts at the University of Minnesota. But you
also were academic all Big Ten. You got the Big
Ten Sportsmanship Award, the Tony Dungee Award for Character and
Community Service. So sounds like you had plans beyond just
being a football player from an early age.
Speaker 10 (30:43):
I did. I did so. I wanted to be an
FBI agent or a lawyer or I was like, I
had all these exotic things that I wanted to be.
And then I got a call after COVID kind of
came into play, and I got a call from Marcus
West up there in Buffalo, and he was like, you know,
you should come be a football coach. What a football
coach are you? I'm not a football coach. And it's
(31:03):
funny because Coach Fleck would always say, you're going to
be an awesome coach. You're going to be an awesome coach.
I'm like, dude, no, I'm not. And you know you
blink your eyes and now you're here.
Speaker 4 (31:12):
Wow. What are you looking forward to the most in
the NFL. I'm guessing you're not going to miss the recruiting.
I'm just going to assume that. But in the NFL,
what are you looking forward to the most, ors or anything?
You're most curious about about football at this level.
Speaker 10 (31:24):
I think I'm most excited about just the learning styles
of all the different guys.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Right.
Speaker 10 (31:29):
So, you in the NFL, you get rid of all
the guys who don't want to be there, And I
think in college sometimes guys are just there because their
mom told them they had to play college football or whatever,
so have you. But in the NFL, everybody loves it,
everybody's about it, everybody's looking towards.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
A common goal.
Speaker 10 (31:45):
So I want to be able to teach and be
able to kind of chisel and be able to kind
of refine these guys to make sure that they're at
their best. So I can't wait to see how they
learn and the ways that they're intentional about doing.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
So what makes a good defensive lineman? I know it
sounds football one oh one, But what makes a good
if you're gonna show film right of best practices, what
do you want to show your guys in your room?
Speaker 10 (32:08):
Motor and violence period. I could talk about all these
intangibles and having an eighty one inch wingspan and having
this and having that, but at the end of the day,
if they're not playing with motor and violence, right, then
they're not erasers, And I think that erasers are the
guys that are able to really stamp their name on
the game. That was something that's always been big with
me because I'm not the biggest guy. I'm not the
(32:29):
strongest guy. But I was gonna play until my heart
was gonna explode because I knew that that was my deficit,
that I wasn't the most talented. Now you pair that
with these guys like Darius sure right, and you tell
them motor violence, motor violence, motor violence. You let that
dude go play with motor and violence. Lord help whoever
is in his way.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Right.
Speaker 10 (32:48):
So I think that that's gonna be the cool thing,
being able to pair my ability to press that point
about ef first and that being the lifeblood of a
defensive lineman and bring it to the fact that these
guys are very talent.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
If Manias important, you know, you and Justin Fry have
this competitive advantage of knowing the college game and knowing
college players really well going against in game, playing against
a lot of these guys. If Manias walks in with
some game film of a certain defensive lineman or offensive
lineman in the college game, how confident do you feel
like you can give him a pretty good scouting report.
Speaker 10 (33:19):
I feel really confident about it. That's all you had
to do with the transfer portal. That's all you had
to do with your guys on a day to day basis,
And then as roster turnovers started to happen at the
end of a year in college, you had to look
into the portal. You had to look at the freshmen
who were gonna come in, and you had to say,
are these guys able to give what this guy gave?
And if not, how do we get them there? So,
(33:40):
if Moni was to come in right now and hand
me a stack of names or whatever, so have you.
I feel pretty confident about, you know, getting those guys
on the docket and evaluating them.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
Your energy is almost almost on par with Jonathan Gannon.
How have you hit it off with the head coach
so far?
Speaker 10 (33:54):
I am gonna keep getting after that dude because he
keeps getting after me. I love being around him, just
his energy of like wanting guys to be the best
that they can be, and even in the smallest things,
whether it's working out in the morning, bumping into him
in the weight room and him telling me I'm not
putting enough on the bar right, or him coming into
my office and just talking to me about hey, less
(34:16):
is more when you're introducing this subject, or hey, listen
when you want to go talk to these guys, like
make sure you bring your energy, be who you are.
Just that encouragement. I love that because he's literally pouring
into my cup as I'm able to go ahead and
pour into these guys when the time comes and they're
back here at the facility and it's time for us
to get rolling. So being around JG has been a blessing.
(34:39):
But I'm gonna start getting after that guy a little
bit more because he's getting after me.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
We do a Stev show. He's he's trying to get
me and Wolf to do the cold plunge every morning.
We're like, absolutely not kidding me. There's absolutely no chance,
speaking of. As we wrap it up here with coach Debo,
Cardinals new defensive line coach, the weather in the Twin
Cities today his in the teens and a low of
Z zero. So how good is this does it to
feel to have Hi's in the seventies in the azy.
Speaker 10 (35:04):
I am sweating right now, guys, I'm sweating.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
It's awesome.
Speaker 10 (35:08):
I'm getting a lot of sunlight right now, and you know,
I get to wake my wife jealous because she's still
up there in the Twin Cities. So I hope the
sunshine doesn't stop, and from what I've heard, it won't.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
You know what's interesting too, is you're a two time
participant of the Bill Walsh Diversity Coaching Fellowship.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Right.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
I'm old enough to have been a TV intern in
college at forty nine ers training camp, and I interviewed
Bill Walsh back in the day.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Oh wow, there you go.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
So this thing comes full circle. It's sure the unbelievable coach.
We really enjoyed it.
Speaker 10 (35:36):
Rant you so much, man, And uh look, I hope
I'll get a chance to get back on with you
guys soon.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
Oh yeah, absolutely. Don't have to ask us twice on
that one. There you go, coach Debo. We continue. It
is the Big Red Rage presented by santan Ford and Gilbert.
We are santan Ford. We continue right after this.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
Fitch to Connor running left, gotta crese at the thirty
up to the thirty five and down at the thirty seven.
Got a couple of offensive linemen out there, including the
center yelled to pro Hols.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Man you see, yelled the fro Holt. Wait down the
veegle making a block.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
Good job up there. Pro Hold was way downfield blocking
Cardinals again after the play, pushing and shoving. Pro Holt
was in there throwing hands.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
You like that, Wolf, Yeah, you got that right?
Speaker 3 (36:31):
That's all I get Wolf, Yeah, pro Holt throwing hands.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Give me a little love on that we got hike.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
Dave was proud of himself on that one. He enjoyed that.
He wanted some recognition, right, he wanted your admiration there,
Wolf on that call. So throwing hands, yes, I get it.
There the desert biking yelled a fro Holt. And you
know it is notable when the play by play guy
is calling out offensive lineman who're not only getting to
(36:59):
the second level, maybe even the third level and beyond
and throwing throwing blocks all the way downfield. And Cardinals,
especially interior offensive linemen, were on the move quite a
bit this last year, as the Cardinals for the second
straight year, ended up number two in yards per carry.
It is the big Red rage presented by Santan Ford
in Gilbert Paul calvec Ron Wolfley. More importantly, Justin Frye
(37:21):
and Coach Deebo special thanks to them and for all
their insight. I tell you, I mean, well, let's just
go dueling takeaways. What stood out to you the most
with either coach? We just talked talked to Coach Debo,
But I mean, what what stands out to you and
is most memorable.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
I have to say, first of all, Justin fry sounds
just like JG. I mean the terminology that he uses,
the speech pattern for the most part, he sounds like
JG and Paully that that is no accident to me.
Once again, It's not like he showed up and suddenly
is absorbing everything JG says and he's regurgitating it to others.
(38:02):
This is a man. This is a man who believes
this stuff to his core. It is dogma for him.
And I love the fact he's got the same mentality
as JG has in terms of actually running the ball
and being physical. This is where it starts. And then
I would have to flip it over with Coach Debo
(38:23):
on the defensive line, and I would have to say,
I love the fact that he was talking about never
He's never gonna stop trying to prove himself. I love that.
I love the fact that he said that. And motor
and violence is what he said as well, And the
fact that it actually equals an eraser, that being a
(38:43):
guy that has that motor and violence can erase things.
And that's what I love.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
You know, both guys were starters in the Big ten,
in the trenches, O line, in D line. The positions
that they coached, they played at a high level. A
how effective do you think that makes them as a coach?
Speaker 1 (39:01):
How vital is that?
Speaker 4 (39:02):
And be the fact they're young enough to actually get
into the drills, and both of them cited that they're
going to get into the drills, they're going to demonstrate it.
I mean, that's going to be a sight to watch
when it gets around a Cardinals camp.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Yeah. No, it's It's really important, Paully, It really is.
You know, modeling something for somebody is really important as well.
I talk about it all the time. You got a culture,
you got a belief, somebody's got to walk around and
model that. Well, it's the same thing if you're trying
to coach it, you have to be able to execute it.
If you're trying to coach these guys, you've got to
(39:34):
be able to show them as well. And that's why
for these two coaches to be as young as they
are and as mobile and in shape as they are.
I don't think that was an accident, Paul. I think
that's one of the reasons why they're here.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
You know, I actually jotted down the quote when coach
Deebo said, you know, my ability as a young guy
gives me a superpower quote unquote as a coach, because
you know, older coaches can't do it, he said, so
I have to leverage it as long as I can
being a twenty seven year old guy. They both also
talked about, you know, the physicality, you know, coach Deebo,
effort is the lifeblood of a defensive line. And I
(40:12):
just found it really intriguing that, you know, they they
go about their process with thinking that, Okay, look, the
ability is there, but now it's my job to make
sure the ability is consistent and to get that last
ten percent out of players, which is also a JG
belief that they firmly believe coaches can do. If a
player is well coach, you can get that last ten
(40:32):
percent out of their ability, which you know, in the
NFL can be the separator between a win and a loss.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Pauli, it's so critical. It really is the fact that
you have a coach that believes effort, believes in effort. Now,
you know, paul I talk about this all the time,
but you have to culture begins with a thought, and
that thought is okay. In this case, we need defensive
(40:59):
linemen who are going to show effort. We need defensive
linemen who are going to give effort. We need that
this coach believes that's what makes a good defensive lineman.
Part of what makes a good defensive lineman, he's got
to show effort and he's got to have effort. Listen,
that's the thought that he has. Now you have to
(41:19):
speak it to everybody, and then you need to be
able to model it. You need a guy that you
can point to on tape and say look at this,
put the red dot on him and say look at this.
Watch the effort that we're getting right here from our
three technique. This is the way stuff happens and how
teams get better and how individual rooms get better, in
(41:42):
this case the defensive line.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
How about the story where Nick rollis former college teammate
of coach Debo at the University of Minnesota walk by
his offense and said, no, no, no, no, don't put
color into your slides. Don't use yellow, just stick black
and white and enhances retention. I mean, talk about attention
to detail, right, and well, we we know we know
JG well enough. You can just see like you said earlier, right,
(42:05):
I mean there's a rhyme in or reason, there's a
pattern to who they're hiring, and they all seem to
be these highly detailed coaches and players.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
Yeah, no, PAULI, I mean honestly that that right there.
I when I when I heard him say that, you know,
I was wondering if he was busting his you know,
kicking him in the cradle a little bit, just to
bust him on that right there. I don't know, Paulli,
but at the same time, it didn't sound like he
was joking. No what he wont by So you know,
(42:36):
I mean, this is this is really exciting because the
line of scrimmage is so important. It has become so
integral to what the Arizona Cardinals are going to do
on offense and defense that I think it's only gonna
get bigger, It's only going to get stronger. It's only
going to get better. And Paulie, you know, I am
a huge believer about the line of scrimmage on both
(42:58):
sides of the ball, and that's where I think this
team can improve the most. And Darius Robinson. I've got
huge expectations for Darius Robinson in year two. Of course,
we how many draft picks have we seen their rookie
year and then their second year and how much better
they've been in their second year. I think of Dante Stills,
(43:20):
I think Garret Williams immediately. I think of these guys
Paully that have developed so much and are going to
continue to develop. But I think that's going to be
Darius Robinson as well. Let's hope that happens.
Speaker 4 (43:32):
Yeah, And in terms of the entire roster, I think
a Trey McBride right year two, I mean halfway through
year two and all of a sudden you're like, Wow,
look at this guy, and then now, all of a sudden,
he's a pro bowler. Other standout moments I think from
those two interviews, justin Frye, we asked him about yards
per carry, Cardinals number two in the NFL each of
the last two years. He said, you know what, I
value more yards before contact. I don't want my running
(43:52):
back to get hit until he's did the second level.
So that's interesting. His walk off was, Yes, I absolutely
believe an offensive line can wear down a defensive front
in the third and fourth quarters. He believes in that.
And then, in terms of what we talked about earlier
in this edition of The Big Red Rage are all trenches. Addition,
when we ask coach Debo about whether he would feel
(44:14):
confident if Moni walked in with some names and some
game film about giving opinions on college players college offensive
and defensive lineman that he has observed firsthand, he said,
I feel really confident. I just think that's going to
be a resource that the GM leans on those two
guys coming directly from the college game.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
Yeah. No, you're right, Pauli. He really is. And right
now I also think too, that's where guys grow the
most in the NFL. You can go out and get
a corner, Pauli. You can go out and get a
wide receiver and the guy has got incredible talent, and yeah,
they will get better. And it doesn't mean just because
they've got that talent they're going to have great rookie years.
(44:52):
We all understand that, but to me, the area of
growth where a guy really can grow the most, it's
on the line of scrimmage. It is, and the confidence
he can gain from playing better on the line of scrimmage.
It's so related to the coaching he's receiving. All right.
Speaker 4 (45:10):
Once again, special thanks to the old line and D
line coaches for Jim Lehunter, Cody Fincher, Matt Lazarus, Ron
Wofully on Paul Calvc. This has been the Big Red
Rage presented by santan Ford in Gilbert.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
You've been listening to the Big Red Rage presented by
Santanford and Gilbert right on the Price, right on the
corner of the Santan two oh two Freeway and Valvesta.
The Rage is brought to you by Arizona Cardinals Podcast.
Visit Azycardinals dot com slash podcast.
Speaker 1 (45:41):
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Speaker 2 (45:44):
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