April 3, 2025 • 33 mins
On this week's episode of Bills by the Numbers presented by FanDuel, Chris Brown and Steve Tasker discuss the current Bills draft status with their 10 picks and if they will use some of that capital to move around. They look at the first round options, whether it's more likely for Buffalo to move up or down on day one and which teams they could target to deal with. They share their thoughts on what position is worth the jump if a deal to move up the board presents itself. Steve is quizzed on Brandon Beane draft day history in The Numbers Game. Finally, Chris and Steve give their answer to this week's One Burning Question - in order of importance, which positions do the Bills need to account for when the draft is all said and done?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, good to have you with us here on Bills
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every moment more coming your way. The draft has many
twists and turns every spring. For kind of maneuverability power
do the Bills have this time around? Is the depth
of defensive tackle real or a mirage? And we'll have
our one burning question. No touchbacks at the thirty five
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around here? All right, glad you made it to Bills
by the Numbers, Bill's Wall of famous seat asker Bills
played by play at Chris Brown with you and around
this time every year we speculate which direction the Bills
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could be going on the draft board, knowing GM Brandon
Bean does not want to sit on his hands when
it comes to moving up or down. Last year, the
Bills initially had eleven total picks, made ten total choices
when it was all said and done, right out of
the shoot, I want to ask you, Steve, after making
ten picks last year, do you believe the Bills exit
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this draft with another ten players or do they utilize
some of that draft capital to move around.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
That's a good question. That's the one I have hard
time answering. Ten picks is a big class, no question, and.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
They just had ten last year.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Yeah. No, I don't think they make ten picks. They may,
I don't think that they make ten picks. No, they've
own and we'll get into this later in the podcast,
but they've only picked where they're supposed to pick in
the first round once, and that was the Ed Oliver pick.
Everybody else every other year they moved around. No, I
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don't think they make ten picks. I think they're gonna
move up or down, whatever, and I think they'll probably
move more than once. I think they'll probably do what
they can to get up into the fourth round.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
So no third round to me.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Third round, Yeah, third round. They don't have any third
round picks, so I think they'll do their best to
get a pick up there. We'll see, But yeah, no,
I don't think they make ten picks this year.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
So you're saying less less. I think I would say
less as well. I would venture to say I'm envisioning
a seven to eight player draft class. I think that's
probably where they're going to come down when it's finished.
I don't think a ten player draft class is necessary
for a team that just drafted ten last year. And
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let's not forget Travis Clayton didn't even set foot on
a field anywhere because he had a season ending injury
before any of it started. That's an extra offensive lineman
in the mix. Tyland Grabil missed a good portion of
the season with a core muscle injury. So these are
like getting two extra offensive linemen barely had last year
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on top of the draft class that you're already getting
this year. So I would tend to think the number
is gonna be closer to seven, which leads us into
our next question. In round one, you have maintained on
our daily show for several weeks now that you are
convinced the Bills will not pick at thirty. You just
pointed out that the Bills have only stuck and stayed
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at the pick that they had one time, and it's
when they were in the top ten. Do you have
a strong belief that they will move up the board
or do you see a trade back more likely? And
we're talking about round one here.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
I think they may. I think it's more likely they
move up this year instead of back. They'll do both,
They've done both. I mean we've seen it, Yes they have.
I think they move up. I don't know, maybe they do.
I think it's a tough one. Yeah, if they move back,
it means they're gonna If they do move back, which
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they might, I think they're gonna get a pick two
picks between thirty where they're picking now they're sloted to
pick and fifty six. I think they're gonna move back
and get a forty and a forty seven or a
thirty five and a forty with some of their back
end picks. I think they move back and trying to
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get four picks inside of the sixty two mark.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
So you think it's a package. They're not just giving
up pick thirty and sliding back and adding like a fourth.
You think it's thirty, maybe a couple of fours.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Maybe a seventy to give us two twos.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
A package that's gonna get them two two's not.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Just one, and so they'll have a pick like it, So.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Then they'd have four second round picks.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
That's right, Wow, that's right. I think they'll probably try
and pack in some extra picks at the top of
this draft.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Color me excited with that movie.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
I think you want to get that one, but it
does mean they'll move out of the first round.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Wow. Again, four twos though, that is.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
But I think they could move back and a goose
package and get get a bunch of guys in the
top one hundred picks of this draft. Four guys in
the top hundred picks of this draft.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Not a simple slide back at all. Wow, that would
be a block, and I.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Was I think they're up for that. I think there's
a couple of guys. Given some of the strengths, the
position strength they've got in some of their spots, they
could throw some players in some draft. The whole thing.
I think it's all of that's on the table, and
that's what I I'm just thinking of this as we're
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speaking about it. I think that's more likely. Try and
get an extra pick up above the fifty they got fifty.
They got picked thirty, pick fifty six and pick sixty two.
I think they're gonna get two picks inside of the
fifty six and sixty two rather than just the one
at thirty. That's what I would do earlier. Yeah, I
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think they'll get like a thirty eight and forty five
something like that.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
If they do that.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
And this draft picks in round draft.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
That would be like that'd be like like rapid fire
machine gun drafting. That would be amazing.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yeah, I'll hear it. Think about it though. I mean,
most teams don't have two twos the Bills do.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
I know. But now you're gonna double that with your trade.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Right, But you gotta find you gotta find a team
with that. It's gonna take more than one team to
trade with that, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
That's pretty tricky. It's I think, look, if they trade back,
I'd be happy with three twos, which a simple trade
back would accomplish that.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
And that's why I three twos and a four, you know,
or a three, three twos and a three.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Yeah, that's why I believe it's a complete coin flip.
Based on what happens, I think the Bills could go
up just as easily as they could go back at
thirty for a couple of reasons. One the argument to
go up is you have a pretty finished product in
terms of a roster. Right now. You are teetering on
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the edge of reaching the super Bowl. So if you
feel there is a difference maker five spots in front
of where you're drafting, and you're worried about that player
getting ticked off the board before you pick at thirty,
you're moving up, which we've seen Brandon do in the past.
Brandon Bean. But to your point, and to the general
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consensus that the meat and potatoes of this draft lies
between picks twenty and eighty, there is value to be
had in sliding back. But the thing that gets in
the way of that for me is, again, you have
a roster that almost is a finished product in the
eyes of many. This is not just my opinion, this
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is a borderline championship roster. And if you add and again,
I will harken back to what Sean McDermott said about
building a roster. You need two to three difference makers
on either side of the ball. That difference maker is
coming off the board before you get to pick twenty five.
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Bean is on the move.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
And you know it's going to this draft. As good
as it is at defensive tackle, as good as it
is at other position groups. If you want to get
a difference maker, you're not getting it. You're not going
to get it at pick thirty.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Yeah, and here's here's you can get a good player. Yes,
and and look, difference makers are one thing, starters are
another right, And the general consensus on this draft class
as a whole is it's a starter's draft, not a
superstar draft. So that's a that's a tough needle for
the Bills to thread here because they need superstars like
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one or two.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Well everybody does.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
You could use starters. Every team could use starters, but
if you get a superstar, that might be the difference.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Yeah, well, getting over the hump, there's no superstars to
be had. There's none to be had, So you got
to go with what you got, and if that's right starters,
then get as many as you can.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
And that's why I believe going up is just as
likely as sliding back at pick thirty, because we don't know.
Maybe the Bills feel there are six superstars in this
draft class. If one slides, go up and get them right.
But if not, then you have to shift to the
other philosophy is get as many dang starters as we
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can find, especially one at corner, which they sorely need.
It's believed that a real possibility exists, speaking to your
trade back scenario, one of the quarterback needy teams may
pass on the quarterback in the top ten, like the
Giants or the Browns or the Saints and move into
the bottom of round one to take the quarterback there,
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and they might be calling the Bills to see if
they'd like to slide back from pick thirty. Which team
do we believe could be most interested in such a
move Cleveland at thirty three, Giants at thirty four, or
Saints at forty.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
I don't I don't know. I think it's probably the Saints.
The Giants at three, Cleveland, those teams are in a
position to get one of those guys and get probably
close to the one they want if they can, if
they so desire. I think the more likely is New
Orleans down they were picking at number nine.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Yeah, so are you saying you're expecting them to go
quarterback at nine? You're so, you're saying they're most likely
to trade up into the.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Round the bottom around walking all the way, and they
have to do that from number forty. So that's more
likely to me, And we all know why. If you
get into the first round, you get a fifth year.
Costs that control, Yeah, you get a fifth year. So
if it's a quarterback or if it's somebody who you want.
Even if the guy turns out to be an all
pro as a rookie, you get an extra year of
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leeway to hang on to him cheap and get value
on your roster. That's I think because of the order
they're in, they pick at number nine, and then they
pick at number forty. If the guy's not there at
number nine, which he might not, they want to want
a different guy. That may be a team that trades
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up because the top three guys are gone, and they'll say, well,
we're gonna take a flyer on a Jackson Dart or
somebody like that. We're gonna jump up there and get
him at thirty two or thirty or thirty one. I plus,
they're an NFC team.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
My team for this is the Giants. I think the
Giants at thirty four are gonna skip on QB at
three because if cam Ward is off the board, and
the general consensus is he will be because he's either
number one to Tennessee or two to Cleveland. I don't
think they like Shador Sanders enough to draft him third overall.
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I don't think they like Jackson Dart enough to draft
him third overall, and so I think they punt on
quarterback at three, take the best player on the board,
whether it's Abdul Carter, Travis Hunter, or whoever they like
there and then I think at thirty four they climb
back into round one or try to and make some offers.
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And Joe Shane knows Brandon Bean pretty well, so I
could see him trying to put together a package to
make an offer to get back into the bottom of
round one and then take I think what they hope
is the fourth best quarterback, or maybe they're fortunate and
it's the third best quarterback and make their move there.
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I could envision that for the Giants because they need
a quarterback of the future. I just don't know if
they're gonna like what the value is at three, right
and feel all right, well, let's get it a little
bit later in the round where the value fits.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
And we know two, if you're picking the guy at three,
he has to play right now. He's ready or not,
whether you think he can do it or not.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Yeah, and that's the other part. And look, you've got
Russell Wilson, you have Jameis Winston. It almost behooves you
to take a quarterback a little bit later. See what
you can do with that kid, and hopefully you have
an answer.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
You don't get the right second year if the guy
you want is unavailable, don't force somebody else into that exactly.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
And that's why I think the Giants are a good
candidate for doing that. Moving up is something Brandon Bean
has done before in round one. If there is a
move up the board in round one, what do you
think is the maximum number of spots they move?
Speaker 2 (13:34):
This is why this is where we all get tripped
up every year. You forget how expensive it is to
move up. It's gonna take a big number just to
get to twenty four where Minnesota is Minnesota. We've been
talking about the daily it takes. They're at twenty four,
so that'd be six spots.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Yeah, I think it's about one hundred and twenty value points.
So I think if you use your pick at thirty,
you can use the two highest round picks you have.
I'm not doing it and get there.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
I'm not doing it.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Two highest fives along with oh no, and I think
you needed a four. Also, you're one of your four's
and your two highest fives, And I think you're talking
if I remember right that got you there.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
You're talking about one of your fourth which would be
one O nine or.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
One O nine one I think it was one O
nine and niety.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Nine one seventy. Yeah, so that's three drawn. That's one
three draft picks. I ain't doing it and thirty I
ain't doing it.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Would you do it? If you could get the second
best defensive tackle in the class.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Who is it?
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Well, whoever you believe it to be. It's not that
Mason Graham from Michigan, but it's the next guy.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
All Right, Well, see what I'm saying. You're not going
to do that at twenty No.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
I'm saying twenty four. He's sitting there at twenty four,
twenty two. You give up twenty four to two.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
You're not gonna get the top guy at twenty four.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
But if you get the third best defensive tackle, what
if it's Derek Harmon, You're moving up to twenty four
for Derek Harmon from Oregon.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
There's some people think Derek Carmon's going to be there
for you at thirty, and there's and and if it's
not Derek Carmon's going to be a guy that's very
a quality guy. You know you've got you Abdul Carter's
the guy, Mason Graham, you got James Pierce, I don't
know Sjamar Stewart, Walter Nolan, and Kenneth Grant, the guy
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who's been mocked to the Bills twenty times.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
All right, so give me So what if Kenneth Grant's there?
What if pick twenty is a defensive tackle, pick twenty
one is a corner, and pick twenty two is an
edge rusher, and you feel like the run is on
at defensive line and you're still six picks away.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
You know, I'm not paying three three of my ten
draft picks two five. Guy, it's two five fives and
a one, and you still got a five left, two
fives and a one and four.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Forget it, get your guy.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
No, there's plenty of guys.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
All right, So then tell me how high are you moving?
What is a palatable exchange for you in terms of
how high up the board you're willing to go? I
just told you to get to twenty four with his
six spots. You have to give your pick at thirty.
You're one oh nine picking round four and two of
your two of.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Your three heresiod And this is how high are a
little bit? This a little bit esoteric. So just I
would do it for what you just said. I would
move to twenty four if not only your guy was
sitting there, but everybody in the drafts guy was sitting there.
It's not just you, it's mel Kiper, it's all those
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I don't know that guy's not going to be there
at twenty four if if the entire draft comes to
a screeching halt. Yeah, but that's the they can't believe,
like Travis Hunter is sitting there at twenty four because
somebody put a video of him with a gas mask on.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Okay, like a Laramie Tonzel's situation.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Yes, go up and get it all right.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Let me let me present this to you in different terms. Okay,
we're only talking about the Bills. His player is a
fit for the Bills. He is a difference maker for
the Bills. And I'll even let you I'll even say
he's a difference maker for the Bills on defense. Okay,
we'll even pick a side of the ball. How high
are you just said thirty?
Speaker 2 (17:43):
He's a fit for the Bills. He ain't fit for
anybody else. Wait for him. He'll be there at thirty.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
If he's just a fit for the Bills.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
You know, come on, and ain't nobody got him trying.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
To him out of this. I don't like this. You're
trying to square him away from me here I'm trying
to tell and just because he's a fit for the
Bills doesn't mean he isn't a fit for ten other teams,
especially if he's.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
The first round we're talking about the Bills.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Well, I'm trying to narrow it down for you so
you can make a more comfortable decision as to how
high up the board you're going. That guy has six
too many picks for you. It's too high a price
to pay to go up six spots. I'm trying to
get a.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Gauge for you as to how high one and two,
fives and a four to go up? Fourth picks to
go up six spots. Yeah, absolutely not, Okay, that guy
is not so not that if we were in the
top ten and we moved up from ten.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
To four, maybe okay, maybe not from Maybe we don't
have to give up four picks. You can give up
your pick at thirty and then come up with some
other combination to make it less right, but we don't
giving up a higher pick, then right.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
No, I'm not doing that. Forget it, because you can
just four picks. You're not giving up a Taron Johnson,
a Matt Mulano, uh and a Christian Benford for some
twenty year old No, forget.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
It all right, So once again I will put it
to you. Tell me how high are you willing to
move up the board to get a player that your
team covets. You're not willing to go.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Up six spots. Now, I'd go up to I'd trade
with Detroit Baltimore of the Rams go to twenty six,
which would take it down.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
To twenty six, twenty seven, twenty eight. That's your range.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
That's it, just as small, just a couple of picks,
because then we avoid the oh my gosh, the you
know the thing when Philly or Kansas City jumps ahead
of Buffalo to get a guy and Bills fans heads explode. Again.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
That's also a concern, right, because there are a lot
of teams in the range of the Bills that have
similar positional needs. Now, look, City needs an offensive lineman horribly,
So they're probably not a concern this year, or it could.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Be, or it could be Cleveland Giants in Tennessee at
thirty three, thirty four to thirty five wanting to jump
back in. And you know, and they can jump in
and trade with Washington, particularly a team like Tennessee or
Cleveland in the AFC, they'll just jump up with Washington
to take the pick.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
That's why you have to consider moving up a little
bit to make sure you get your guys so you
don't get leapfrogged by people like that. No, make how
high are you willing to go. I would look, if
it's the right guy, and he's a behemoth, and he's
gonna start day one, he's.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Gonna start days, gonna start day one.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Because because you believe he's that dang good. You're not
making a move like that unless you believe it. Well,
and I'm not saying they all work, but you know, yeah,
dalton Kin kid started day one. They moved up for him,
and he had seventy three catches, broke a team record
as a rookie. So that that's the kind of guy
you got to go get.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yeah, Well, if you believe it, that guy, I don't
want a defensive tackle getting seventy three catches, all right,
I want him getting ten twelve sacks. Well, right, so
that the defensive tackle spot.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Nice segue, Steve, because that leads us to our next question.
What is it you think they'd be moving up for
if a move was warranted in the eyes of Brandon Bean,
bills are moving up. What are they doing it for.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
A corner, a defensive tackle, an edge? Yeah, I would
agree they will not move up even if even if
Malachi Starks is there. I don't think they'll move up.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Yeah, not for a safety right right, or.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Uman Warri, any of these guys. I think it's got
to be a corner, a defensive tackle.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
It's got to be for one of the positions where
they may need a starter, either right now or maybe
by mid season, but definitely by next year on defense.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Now off the boards too, if there's a guy and well,
I'll say this, if Matthew Golden is there, the wide
receiver from Texas has dropped all the way to that spot,
who's like one of the top two in the in
the in the class.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Maybe Yeah, I think a wide receiver is a sneaky
possibility in round one, which I know would make a
lot of the callers to our daily show very happy.
I don't think it's a top priority for them. But
if the value is appropriate and the value at some
of those defensive positions is not, I don't think you
can rule out a receiver, especially if one of that caliber.
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But I think slides that.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
If you're talking about what they'll jump for, I think
it's going to be a corner of defensive tackle. Yeah, Yeah,
that's that's my call. I yeah, that it's got to
be a money spot and a spot of need for
them as well, which both those positions are at this point.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Yeah. We transition now to the numbers game, where Steve
will be quizzed on what else Brandon Bean draft trade history.
Let's get it going. Question number one. Since twenty eighteen,
when GM Brandon Bean took over NFL draft responsibilities for
the Bills, has he traded down more or up Moore
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in the last seven drafts?
Speaker 2 (23:22):
I think he's traded Well, if you count the year
he had had Josh, he traded bar counting that year, Okay, Well,
he traded up like four times. Does that count as
four different times?
Speaker 1 (23:36):
We're talking about draft weekend trading only?
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Okay, So remember he made a trade from Yeah, he
traded a bunch of from Marie.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
So we're talking about draft weekend. Has he traded up
more or down more? In the seven drafts up? He
is actually traded down more by the slimmest of margins.
Three eight trades down, seven trades up.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
See because he yeah, because he won up twice with
He got up there for Josh, and he got up
there for Tremaine in the same draft. Then he jumped
for he took ed ed at number nine where he
stayed there, and then he traded He traded up for Kayir.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Up for Kinka, up for Kink, down twice for Keon
for Keon. Alright. Question number two, what position has been
traded up for the most? In his tenure as Bill's GM.
What position as he traded up for the most? You
know there are seven trades up in total. What position
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was traded up for the.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Most overall or just on draft weekend?
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Just on draft weekend? In those seven trades up, what
position was most popular? Corner not corner.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
I thought he traded up him.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
You want to take a second crack d line it's
actually tight end. Oh yeah, Dawsons guys and Dalton Kincade
were both moves up the board. Question number three, what
position has been selected the most after a trade back
in his tenure as Bill's GM. Now this is a
little more difficult because you're not trading back for a
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position in mind, you do that when you go up.
But what has been the outcome of trades back positionally
been the most popular?
Speaker 2 (25:32):
I will say, I'm gonna say white out.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
It's actually offensive line. Steve Whiteout was a good choice.
I think it came in third positionally, but o line.
Here are the players selected from trades back on the
offensive line in the last seven years, Luke Tanuda, Nick Broker,
Cedric van Prand Granger, and Travis Clayton. So to last
year alone, some of the trades back question number four.
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In the twenty seventeen draft, before Brandon Bean was on board,
there was a trade down in round one, which as
we know, became Tradavious White. But in round two there
were two trades up. Can you name the two players
who were taken with those two trades up the board
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Round two, twenty seventeen draft, two trades up to select
these two players. No one is still on the team,
reed Ferguson. It is the Bills take a long step
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in the second round and they trade up to do it.
Let's see one is on the roster, one is no
longer on the roster, but is still playing in the league.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Let's say uh oh uh say.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Jones Zay Jones correct, and the other. Come on, you
got this rounder is Spencer Brown Dion Dawkins. You were close.
You had the position right, Dion Dawkins. Jones was a
Buffalo moved up from pick forty four to thirty seven
to select Jones. Gave up a third and got a
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fourth back to do that. Buffalo then moved up again
twelve spots from round three to the bottom of round two,
giving up a pair of fifth round picks with their though,
oh well, you look at that. They gave up three
picks to do that, Steve. They get Dion Dawkins pick
sixty three.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
There you go, you got to plug left tackle.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Courage of your conviction, Steve. They moved up to where
they moved up twelve picks from the middle of round
three to the bottom of round two to get Dean Hawkins.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
It's dirt cheap.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
He gave up three picks to do that.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
So what there are three mid round picks and you
got a mid round pick. I mean, come on, hold on,
and you gotta a plug and play left tackle. Yeah,
you're gonna make that deal.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Two fifth round picks. I was just suggesting that to
move up in round one along with.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
A four, and you said, I'm not gonna waste around.
Turned it down. No, you're not gonna do that. It's
too expensive.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
You still have a four and a five left to
do that. Now, come on, now, you gotta live a
little No, all right, that's uh, that's the numbers game.
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now for our one burning question, Steve, I need you
to rank, in order of important one through four, the
positions that the Bills must have in their collection of
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picks when the twenty twenty five NFL Draft is over.
Order of importance one through four. Position.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
For me, it would be corner number one. Okay, defensive
tackle number two. A defensive end number three and a
safety number four.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
All right, that's exactly what I have. That is no
fun corner corner one, defensive tackle two edge three, safety four.
I think you could make an argument you.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Can flip flop the d tackle on the d end, yes,
or even put a safety in a three.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
I think you could even flip one and two. I
think you could even go detackle first, corner second and
be five deep. But I think the bottom line is
it's got to be a heavy defensive draft plass for
the Bills.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
I'll be surprised the top three picks that we've been
talking about so much, the you know, the fifty, the thirtieth,
the fifty sixth, and the sixty two, If they're not
all three defenders, I'll be surprised. I think they're all
gonna be.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
No no remote chance for a receiver in there for
those three.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
I don't think so not.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Somebody's got to slide considerably, right.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Yeah, And I'll say this too, I don't want to
stack more on Josh Allen than needs to be stacked
on him. But he's he did it with finger quotes. No,
none of these guys were proven until Josh started throwing
them the football. This year, I think you can do
more with it. It's a little bit like the Chiefs
did with with Mahomes. They got rid of Tyreek and
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they just kept drafting guys and they win with them
because you know, they got a great play caller, they
got a great quarterback, just like Buffalo, and now they've
got The Bills have something they haven't had in a
long time, which he's continuity. Their offensive coordinat just back
for a third year going on into his third year,
and he's got a lot of continuity in this offense.
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They can evolve fast as an offense. So yeah, I
don't they're no, they don't need to draft one of
those got wide receivers and I and I hear all
this stuff about what they got to listen, they scored
more points than anybody in franchise history last year. They
don't have any needs offensively. Just keep on keeping on
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and start it and keep evolving. Defensively, they need some help.
You can't slice it any other way. They need guys
over there that can that can wreck a game. They
don't have any. So that's that's where this draft has
to focus. It has to focus over there.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Our closing figure deals with the biggest move up the
board in Brandon Bean's tenure is Bill's general manager. In
one trade, the furthest up the board being ever moved
in a single trade twenty spots. In the twenty twenty
two NFL Draft, he moved from the sixth round to
the fifth round pick one sixty eight to one forty eight.
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Gave up an extra six to do so. The player
selected wide receiver Khalil Shakir out of Boise State.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Stay out of the top. Don't spend the money to
move up in the stay in the middle. We get
we kill it in the middle round.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
We do kill it to those guys, they do kill
it in the middle rounds Khalil Shakir, one of the
more recent examples. That's it for this edition. Be sure
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by the Numbers, Bill's Wall of famous seat asker Bills
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this time every year we speculate which direction the Bills
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could be going on the draft board, knowing GM Brandon
Bean does not want to sit on his hands when
it comes to moving up or down. Last year, the
Bills initially had eleven total picks, made ten total choices
when it was all said and done, right out of
the shoot, I want to ask you, Steve, after making
ten picks last year, do you believe the Bills exit
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this draft with another ten players or do they utilize
some of that draft capital to move around.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
That's a good question. That's the one I have hard
time answering. Ten picks is a big class, no question, and.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
They just had ten last year.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Yeah. No, I don't think they make ten picks. They may,
I don't think that they make ten picks. No, they've
own and we'll get into this later in the podcast,
but they've only picked where they're supposed to pick in
the first round once, and that was the Ed Oliver pick.
Everybody else every other year they moved around. No, I
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don't think they make ten picks. I think they're gonna
move up or down, whatever, and I think they'll probably
move more than once. I think they'll probably do what
they can to get up into the fourth round.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
So no third round to me.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Third round, Yeah, third round. They don't have any third
round picks, so I think they'll do their best to
get a pick up there. We'll see, But yeah, no,
I don't think they make ten picks this year.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
So you're saying less less. I think I would say
less as well. I would venture to say I'm envisioning
a seven to eight player draft class. I think that's
probably where they're going to come down when it's finished.
I don't think a ten player draft class is necessary
for a team that just drafted ten last year. And
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let's not forget Travis Clayton didn't even set foot on
a field anywhere because he had a season ending injury
before any of it started. That's an extra offensive lineman
in the mix. Tyland Grabil missed a good portion of
the season with a core muscle injury. So these are
like getting two extra offensive linemen barely had last year
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on top of the draft class that you're already getting
this year. So I would tend to think the number
is gonna be closer to seven, which leads us into
our next question. In round one, you have maintained on
our daily show for several weeks now that you are
convinced the Bills will not pick at thirty. You just
pointed out that the Bills have only stuck and stayed
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at the pick that they had one time, and it's
when they were in the top ten. Do you have
a strong belief that they will move up the board
or do you see a trade back more likely? And
we're talking about round one here.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
I think they may. I think it's more likely they
move up this year instead of back. They'll do both,
They've done both. I mean we've seen it, Yes they have.
I think they move up. I don't know, maybe they do.
I think it's a tough one. Yeah, if they move back,
it means they're gonna If they do move back, which
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they might, I think they're gonna get a pick two
picks between thirty where they're picking now they're sloted to
pick and fifty six. I think they're gonna move back
and get a forty and a forty seven or a
thirty five and a forty with some of their back
end picks. I think they move back and trying to
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get four picks inside of the sixty two mark.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
So you think it's a package. They're not just giving
up pick thirty and sliding back and adding like a fourth.
You think it's thirty, maybe a couple of fours.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Maybe a seventy to give us two twos.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
A package that's gonna get them two two's not.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Just one, and so they'll have a pick like it, So.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Then they'd have four second round picks.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
That's right, Wow, that's right. I think they'll probably try
and pack in some extra picks at the top of
this draft.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Color me excited with that movie.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
I think you want to get that one, but it
does mean they'll move out of the first round.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Wow. Again, four twos though, that is.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
But I think they could move back and a goose
package and get get a bunch of guys in the
top one hundred picks of this draft. Four guys in
the top hundred picks of this draft.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Not a simple slide back at all. Wow, that would
be a block, and I.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Was I think they're up for that. I think there's
a couple of guys. Given some of the strengths, the
position strength they've got in some of their spots, they
could throw some players in some draft. The whole thing.
I think it's all of that's on the table, and
that's what I I'm just thinking of this as we're
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speaking about it. I think that's more likely. Try and
get an extra pick up above the fifty they got fifty.
They got picked thirty, pick fifty six and pick sixty two.
I think they're gonna get two picks inside of the
fifty six and sixty two rather than just the one
at thirty. That's what I would do earlier. Yeah, I
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think they'll get like a thirty eight and forty five
something like that.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
If they do that.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
And this draft picks in round draft.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
That would be like that'd be like like rapid fire
machine gun drafting. That would be amazing.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yeah, I'll hear it. Think about it though. I mean,
most teams don't have two twos the Bills do.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
I know. But now you're gonna double that with your trade.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Right, But you gotta find you gotta find a team
with that. It's gonna take more than one team to
trade with that, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
That's pretty tricky. It's I think, look, if they trade back,
I'd be happy with three twos, which a simple trade
back would accomplish that.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
And that's why I three twos and a four, you know,
or a three, three twos and a three.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Yeah, that's why I believe it's a complete coin flip.
Based on what happens, I think the Bills could go
up just as easily as they could go back at
thirty for a couple of reasons. One the argument to
go up is you have a pretty finished product in
terms of a roster. Right now. You are teetering on
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the edge of reaching the super Bowl. So if you
feel there is a difference maker five spots in front
of where you're drafting, and you're worried about that player
getting ticked off the board before you pick at thirty,
you're moving up, which we've seen Brandon do in the past.
Brandon Bean. But to your point, and to the general
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consensus that the meat and potatoes of this draft lies
between picks twenty and eighty, there is value to be
had in sliding back. But the thing that gets in
the way of that for me is, again, you have
a roster that almost is a finished product in the
eyes of many. This is not just my opinion, this
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is a borderline championship roster. And if you add and again,
I will harken back to what Sean McDermott said about
building a roster. You need two to three difference makers
on either side of the ball. That difference maker is
coming off the board before you get to pick twenty five.
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Bean is on the move.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
And you know it's going to this draft. As good
as it is at defensive tackle, as good as it
is at other position groups. If you want to get
a difference maker, you're not getting it. You're not going
to get it at pick thirty.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Yeah, and here's here's you can get a good player. Yes,
and and look, difference makers are one thing, starters are
another right, And the general consensus on this draft class
as a whole is it's a starter's draft, not a
superstar draft. So that's a that's a tough needle for
the Bills to thread here because they need superstars like
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one or two.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Well everybody does.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
You could use starters. Every team could use starters, but
if you get a superstar, that might be the difference.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Yeah, well, getting over the hump, there's no superstars to
be had. There's none to be had, So you got
to go with what you got, and if that's right starters,
then get as many as you can.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
And that's why I believe going up is just as
likely as sliding back at pick thirty, because we don't know.
Maybe the Bills feel there are six superstars in this
draft class. If one slides, go up and get them right.
But if not, then you have to shift to the
other philosophy is get as many dang starters as we
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can find, especially one at corner, which they sorely need.
It's believed that a real possibility exists, speaking to your
trade back scenario, one of the quarterback needy teams may
pass on the quarterback in the top ten, like the
Giants or the Browns or the Saints and move into
the bottom of round one to take the quarterback there,
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and they might be calling the Bills to see if
they'd like to slide back from pick thirty. Which team
do we believe could be most interested in such a
move Cleveland at thirty three, Giants at thirty four, or
Saints at forty.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
I don't I don't know. I think it's probably the Saints.
The Giants at three, Cleveland, those teams are in a
position to get one of those guys and get probably
close to the one they want if they can, if
they so desire. I think the more likely is New
Orleans down they were picking at number nine.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Yeah, so are you saying you're expecting them to go
quarterback at nine? You're so, you're saying they're most likely
to trade up into the.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Round the bottom around walking all the way, and they
have to do that from number forty. So that's more
likely to me, And we all know why. If you
get into the first round, you get a fifth year.
Costs that control, Yeah, you get a fifth year. So
if it's a quarterback or if it's somebody who you want.
Even if the guy turns out to be an all
pro as a rookie, you get an extra year of
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leeway to hang on to him cheap and get value
on your roster. That's I think because of the order
they're in, they pick at number nine, and then they
pick at number forty. If the guy's not there at
number nine, which he might not, they want to want
a different guy. That may be a team that trades
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up because the top three guys are gone, and they'll say, well,
we're gonna take a flyer on a Jackson Dart or
somebody like that. We're gonna jump up there and get
him at thirty two or thirty or thirty one. I plus,
they're an NFC team.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
My team for this is the Giants. I think the
Giants at thirty four are gonna skip on QB at
three because if cam Ward is off the board, and
the general consensus is he will be because he's either
number one to Tennessee or two to Cleveland. I don't
think they like Shador Sanders enough to draft him third overall.
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I don't think they like Jackson Dart enough to draft
him third overall, and so I think they punt on
quarterback at three, take the best player on the board,
whether it's Abdul Carter, Travis Hunter, or whoever they like
there and then I think at thirty four they climb
back into round one or try to and make some offers.
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And Joe Shane knows Brandon Bean pretty well, so I
could see him trying to put together a package to
make an offer to get back into the bottom of
round one and then take I think what they hope
is the fourth best quarterback, or maybe they're fortunate and
it's the third best quarterback and make their move there.
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I could envision that for the Giants because they need
a quarterback of the future. I just don't know if
they're gonna like what the value is at three, right
and feel all right, well, let's get it a little
bit later in the round where the value fits.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
And we know two, if you're picking the guy at three,
he has to play right now. He's ready or not,
whether you think he can do it or not.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Yeah, and that's the other part. And look, you've got
Russell Wilson, you have Jameis Winston. It almost behooves you
to take a quarterback a little bit later. See what
you can do with that kid, and hopefully you have
an answer.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
You don't get the right second year if the guy
you want is unavailable, don't force somebody else into that exactly.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
And that's why I think the Giants are a good
candidate for doing that. Moving up is something Brandon Bean
has done before in round one. If there is a
move up the board in round one, what do you
think is the maximum number of spots they move?
Speaker 2 (13:34):
This is why this is where we all get tripped
up every year. You forget how expensive it is to
move up. It's gonna take a big number just to
get to twenty four where Minnesota is Minnesota. We've been
talking about the daily it takes. They're at twenty four,
so that'd be six spots.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Yeah, I think it's about one hundred and twenty value points.
So I think if you use your pick at thirty,
you can use the two highest round picks you have.
I'm not doing it and get there.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
I'm not doing it.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Two highest fives along with oh no, and I think
you needed a four. Also, you're one of your four's
and your two highest fives, And I think you're talking
if I remember right that got you there.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
You're talking about one of your fourth which would be
one O nine or.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
One O nine one I think it was one O
nine and niety.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Nine one seventy. Yeah, so that's three drawn. That's one
three draft picks. I ain't doing it and thirty I
ain't doing it.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Would you do it? If you could get the second
best defensive tackle in the class.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Who is it?
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Well, whoever you believe it to be. It's not that
Mason Graham from Michigan, but it's the next guy.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
All Right, Well, see what I'm saying. You're not going
to do that at twenty No.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
I'm saying twenty four. He's sitting there at twenty four,
twenty two. You give up twenty four to two.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
You're not gonna get the top guy at twenty four.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
But if you get the third best defensive tackle, what
if it's Derek Harmon, You're moving up to twenty four
for Derek Harmon from Oregon.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
There's some people think Derek Carmon's going to be there
for you at thirty, and there's and and if it's
not Derek Carmon's going to be a guy that's very
a quality guy. You know you've got you Abdul Carter's
the guy, Mason Graham, you got James Pierce, I don't
know Sjamar Stewart, Walter Nolan, and Kenneth Grant, the guy
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who's been mocked to the Bills twenty times.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
All right, so give me So what if Kenneth Grant's there?
What if pick twenty is a defensive tackle, pick twenty
one is a corner, and pick twenty two is an
edge rusher, and you feel like the run is on
at defensive line and you're still six picks away.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
You know, I'm not paying three three of my ten
draft picks two five. Guy, it's two five fives and
a one, and you still got a five left, two
fives and a one and four.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Forget it, get your guy.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
No, there's plenty of guys.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
All right, So then tell me how high are you moving?
What is a palatable exchange for you in terms of
how high up the board you're willing to go? I
just told you to get to twenty four with his
six spots. You have to give your pick at thirty.
You're one oh nine picking round four and two of
your two of.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Your three heresiod And this is how high are a
little bit? This a little bit esoteric. So just I
would do it for what you just said. I would
move to twenty four if not only your guy was
sitting there, but everybody in the drafts guy was sitting there.
It's not just you, it's mel Kiper, it's all those
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I don't know that guy's not going to be there
at twenty four if if the entire draft comes to
a screeching halt. Yeah, but that's the they can't believe,
like Travis Hunter is sitting there at twenty four because
somebody put a video of him with a gas mask on.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Okay, like a Laramie Tonzel's situation.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Yes, go up and get it all right.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Let me let me present this to you in different terms. Okay,
we're only talking about the Bills. His player is a
fit for the Bills. He is a difference maker for
the Bills. And I'll even let you I'll even say
he's a difference maker for the Bills on defense. Okay,
we'll even pick a side of the ball. How high
are you just said thirty?
Speaker 2 (17:43):
He's a fit for the Bills. He ain't fit for
anybody else. Wait for him. He'll be there at thirty.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
If he's just a fit for the Bills.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
You know, come on, and ain't nobody got him trying.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
To him out of this. I don't like this. You're
trying to square him away from me here I'm trying
to tell and just because he's a fit for the
Bills doesn't mean he isn't a fit for ten other teams,
especially if he's.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
The first round we're talking about the Bills.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Well, I'm trying to narrow it down for you so
you can make a more comfortable decision as to how
high up the board you're going. That guy has six
too many picks for you. It's too high a price
to pay to go up six spots. I'm trying to
get a.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Gauge for you as to how high one and two,
fives and a four to go up? Fourth picks to
go up six spots. Yeah, absolutely not, Okay, that guy
is not so not that if we were in the
top ten and we moved up from ten.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
To four, maybe okay, maybe not from Maybe we don't
have to give up four picks. You can give up
your pick at thirty and then come up with some
other combination to make it less right, but we don't
giving up a higher pick, then right.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
No, I'm not doing that. Forget it, because you can
just four picks. You're not giving up a Taron Johnson,
a Matt Mulano, uh and a Christian Benford for some
twenty year old No, forget.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
It all right, So once again I will put it
to you. Tell me how high are you willing to
move up the board to get a player that your
team covets. You're not willing to go.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Up six spots. Now, I'd go up to I'd trade
with Detroit Baltimore of the Rams go to twenty six,
which would take it down.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
To twenty six, twenty seven, twenty eight. That's your range.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
That's it, just as small, just a couple of picks,
because then we avoid the oh my gosh, the you
know the thing when Philly or Kansas City jumps ahead
of Buffalo to get a guy and Bills fans heads explode. Again.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
That's also a concern, right, because there are a lot
of teams in the range of the Bills that have
similar positional needs. Now, look, City needs an offensive lineman horribly,
So they're probably not a concern this year, or it could.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Be, or it could be Cleveland Giants in Tennessee at
thirty three, thirty four to thirty five wanting to jump
back in. And you know, and they can jump in
and trade with Washington, particularly a team like Tennessee or
Cleveland in the AFC, they'll just jump up with Washington
to take the pick.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
That's why you have to consider moving up a little
bit to make sure you get your guys so you
don't get leapfrogged by people like that. No, make how
high are you willing to go. I would look, if
it's the right guy, and he's a behemoth, and he's
gonna start day one, he's.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Gonna start days, gonna start day one.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Because because you believe he's that dang good. You're not
making a move like that unless you believe it. Well,
and I'm not saying they all work, but you know, yeah,
dalton Kin kid started day one. They moved up for him,
and he had seventy three catches, broke a team record
as a rookie. So that that's the kind of guy
you got to go get.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yeah, Well, if you believe it, that guy, I don't
want a defensive tackle getting seventy three catches, all right,
I want him getting ten twelve sacks. Well, right, so
that the defensive tackle spot.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Nice segue, Steve, because that leads us to our next question.
What is it you think they'd be moving up for
if a move was warranted in the eyes of Brandon Bean,
bills are moving up. What are they doing it for.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
A corner, a defensive tackle, an edge? Yeah, I would
agree they will not move up even if even if
Malachi Starks is there. I don't think they'll move up.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Yeah, not for a safety right right, or.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Uman Warri, any of these guys. I think it's got
to be a corner, a defensive tackle.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
It's got to be for one of the positions where
they may need a starter, either right now or maybe
by mid season, but definitely by next year on defense.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Now off the boards too, if there's a guy and well,
I'll say this, if Matthew Golden is there, the wide
receiver from Texas has dropped all the way to that spot,
who's like one of the top two in the in
the in the class.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Maybe Yeah, I think a wide receiver is a sneaky
possibility in round one, which I know would make a
lot of the callers to our daily show very happy.
I don't think it's a top priority for them. But
if the value is appropriate and the value at some
of those defensive positions is not, I don't think you
can rule out a receiver, especially if one of that caliber.
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But I think slides that.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
If you're talking about what they'll jump for, I think
it's going to be a corner of defensive tackle. Yeah, Yeah,
that's that's my call. I yeah, that it's got to
be a money spot and a spot of need for
them as well, which both those positions are at this point.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Yeah. We transition now to the numbers game, where Steve
will be quizzed on what else Brandon Bean draft trade history.
Let's get it going. Question number one. Since twenty eighteen,
when GM Brandon Bean took over NFL draft responsibilities for
the Bills, has he traded down more or up Moore
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in the last seven drafts?
Speaker 2 (23:22):
I think he's traded Well, if you count the year
he had had Josh, he traded bar counting that year, Okay, Well,
he traded up like four times. Does that count as
four different times?
Speaker 1 (23:36):
We're talking about draft weekend trading only?
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Okay, So remember he made a trade from Yeah, he
traded a bunch of from Marie.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
So we're talking about draft weekend. Has he traded up
more or down more? In the seven drafts up? He
is actually traded down more by the slimmest of margins.
Three eight trades down, seven trades up.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
See because he yeah, because he won up twice with
He got up there for Josh, and he got up
there for Tremaine in the same draft. Then he jumped
for he took ed ed at number nine where he
stayed there, and then he traded He traded up for Kayir.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Up for Kinka, up for Kink, down twice for Keon
for Keon. Alright. Question number two, what position has been
traded up for the most? In his tenure as Bill's GM.
What position as he traded up for the most? You
know there are seven trades up in total. What position
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was traded up for the.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Most overall or just on draft weekend?
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Just on draft weekend? In those seven trades up, what
position was most popular? Corner not corner.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
I thought he traded up him.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
You want to take a second crack d line it's
actually tight end. Oh yeah, Dawsons guys and Dalton Kincade
were both moves up the board. Question number three, what
position has been selected the most after a trade back
in his tenure as Bill's GM. Now this is a
little more difficult because you're not trading back for a
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position in mind, you do that when you go up.
But what has been the outcome of trades back positionally
been the most popular?
Speaker 2 (25:32):
I will say, I'm gonna say white out.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
It's actually offensive line. Steve Whiteout was a good choice.
I think it came in third positionally, but o line.
Here are the players selected from trades back on the
offensive line in the last seven years, Luke Tanuda, Nick Broker,
Cedric van Prand Granger, and Travis Clayton. So to last
year alone, some of the trades back question number four.
(26:06):
In the twenty seventeen draft, before Brandon Bean was on board,
there was a trade down in round one, which as
we know, became Tradavious White. But in round two there
were two trades up. Can you name the two players
who were taken with those two trades up the board
(26:30):
Round two, twenty seventeen draft, two trades up to select
these two players. No one is still on the team,
reed Ferguson. It is the Bills take a long step
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in the second round and they trade up to do it.
Let's see one is on the roster, one is no
longer on the roster, but is still playing in the league.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Let's say uh oh uh say.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Jones Zay Jones correct, and the other. Come on, you
got this rounder is Spencer Brown Dion Dawkins. You were close.
You had the position right, Dion Dawkins. Jones was a
Buffalo moved up from pick forty four to thirty seven
to select Jones. Gave up a third and got a
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fourth back to do that. Buffalo then moved up again
twelve spots from round three to the bottom of round two,
giving up a pair of fifth round picks with their though,
oh well, you look at that. They gave up three
picks to do that, Steve. They get Dion Dawkins pick
sixty three.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
There you go, you got to plug left tackle.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Courage of your conviction, Steve. They moved up to where
they moved up twelve picks from the middle of round
three to the bottom of round two to get Dean Hawkins.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
It's dirt cheap.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
He gave up three picks to do that.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
So what there are three mid round picks and you
got a mid round pick. I mean, come on, hold on,
and you gotta a plug and play left tackle. Yeah,
you're gonna make that deal.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Two fifth round picks. I was just suggesting that to
move up in round one along with.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
A four, and you said, I'm not gonna waste around.
Turned it down. No, you're not gonna do that. It's
too expensive.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
You still have a four and a five left to
do that. Now, come on, now, you gotta live a
little No, all right, that's uh, that's the numbers game.
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now for our one burning question, Steve, I need you
to rank, in order of important one through four, the
positions that the Bills must have in their collection of
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picks when the twenty twenty five NFL Draft is over.
Order of importance one through four. Position.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
For me, it would be corner number one. Okay, defensive
tackle number two. A defensive end number three and a
safety number four.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
All right, that's exactly what I have. That is no
fun corner corner one, defensive tackle two edge three, safety four.
I think you could make an argument you.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Can flip flop the d tackle on the d end, yes,
or even put a safety in a three.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
I think you could even flip one and two. I
think you could even go detackle first, corner second and
be five deep. But I think the bottom line is
it's got to be a heavy defensive draft plass for
the Bills.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
I'll be surprised the top three picks that we've been
talking about so much, the you know, the fifty, the thirtieth,
the fifty sixth, and the sixty two, If they're not
all three defenders, I'll be surprised. I think they're all
gonna be.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
No no remote chance for a receiver in there for
those three.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
I don't think so not.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Somebody's got to slide considerably, right.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Yeah, And I'll say this too, I don't want to
stack more on Josh Allen than needs to be stacked
on him. But he's he did it with finger quotes. No,
none of these guys were proven until Josh started throwing
them the football. This year, I think you can do
more with it. It's a little bit like the Chiefs
did with with Mahomes. They got rid of Tyreek and
(30:45):
they just kept drafting guys and they win with them
because you know, they got a great play caller, they
got a great quarterback, just like Buffalo, and now they've
got The Bills have something they haven't had in a
long time, which he's continuity. Their offensive coordinat just back
for a third year going on into his third year,
and he's got a lot of continuity in this offense.
(31:05):
They can evolve fast as an offense. So yeah, I
don't they're no, they don't need to draft one of
those got wide receivers and I and I hear all
this stuff about what they got to listen, they scored
more points than anybody in franchise history last year. They
don't have any needs offensively. Just keep on keeping on
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and start it and keep evolving. Defensively, they need some help.
You can't slice it any other way. They need guys
over there that can that can wreck a game. They
don't have any. So that's that's where this draft has
to focus. It has to focus over there.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Our closing figure deals with the biggest move up the
board in Brandon Bean's tenure is Bill's general manager. In
one trade, the furthest up the board being ever moved
in a single trade twenty spots. In the twenty twenty
two NFL Draft, he moved from the sixth round to
the fifth round pick one sixty eight to one forty eight.
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Gave up an extra six to do so. The player
selected wide receiver Khalil Shakir out of Boise State.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Stay out of the top. Don't spend the money to
move up in the stay in the middle. We get
we kill it in the middle round.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
We do kill it to those guys, they do kill
it in the middle rounds Khalil Shakir, one of the
more recent examples. That's it for this edition. Be sure
to watch us on the Bills YouTube channel or subscribe
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so you know when our next episode is out. Because
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