Cardinals Underground - Bringing The Heat

In this week’s audio-only version of the podcast - the video crew is *busy,* people - Paul Calvisi, Darren Urban and Dani Sureck lament the incoming 100-degree days. But they also discuss who ended up with the best uniform numbers of the players that just got them, Larry Fitzgerald’s first-ballot quest for the Hall of Fame, another edition of Out Of Context, the WR2 talk and why Amari Cooper’s name keeps coming up, Marvin Harrison Jr.’s big Year 2, Drew Terrell’s underrated analysis of the wideouts, A “Who Will Spread Their Wings” power poll, what rookies get out of their minicamp, Winning Behavior, the NFL draft spots, and Paul’s quest to become a meme.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
Pulled in by Wilson for a touchdown.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Wanna throw by Kyler Murray facing pressure.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Connor to the five and end of the end.

Speaker 4 (00:18):
Zone for the touchdown.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
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Speaker 2 (00:35):
Touchdown Tyler Murray, that defender is in multiple pieces.

Speaker 4 (00:38):
All that was nasty right there?

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Rights slam on the ground by fooda baker like a torpedo.
He came flying into the backfield. I ain't scared of nobody.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
Here's Paul calvic.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Al. I want you guys to think about something off
the top. No visuals here on Cardinals Underground this week.
But if there was a visual, a meme, if you will,
that would describe your mood or how people should think
of you. For this edition of Cardinals Underground presented by
Pacific Office Automation, Danny looks a little perplexed Danny's meme

(01:15):
might have glasses. She's wearing glasses today? Or am I
not supposed to reveal that? Sorry, Darren always wearing glasses?
Usually I should be wearing glasses. I couldn't even drive
home without glasses. But I have contact lenses in so.

Speaker 4 (01:28):
You have contacts.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Yes, here, I'll go first. I'd say mine would probably
be the crying Jordan meme right now, Okay, because as
much as.

Speaker 4 (01:38):
We're alloyated pretty quick, well, we're.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
Enjoying the weather here, but the worst day of the
year is coming up quickly. I'd say it's Saturday, the
one hundred degree forecast, and there ain't no going back.

Speaker 4 (01:49):
But see, that's the funny thing there might be. I
thought I saw like a week from like like late
next week, Thursday, Friday. I thought it was supposed to
dip back to the eighties.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
Okay, well, taking it one day at a time, so
I let it.

Speaker 4 (02:02):
And normally I and I did throw a tantrum at
home the other day when I saw it was going
to be one hundred, But then I tried to look
longer out.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
Why are you guys confused? We've already hit one hundred,
Like a couple of weeks ago.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
You knew it wasn't there to stay.

Speaker 4 (02:14):
You prayed it wasn't there to stay again one day
at a time.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
The worst moment, what really drives it home for yours, truly,
thanks for asking, is when you have to put these
screens on the back windows for good. It's going to
be up for at least six months. And then you know,
and I have to put away my Kurt Cobaine flannel shirt,
you know with the blown out elbows. You know, enjoy
wearing the flannel shirt, maybe in the morning or in
the evening.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
And I've only ever seen you in a Cardinals polo,
but I'd love to see.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
You in that. All you have to do is go
go call up their Nirvana live at Paramount YouTube Video
there a concert and it's pretty much the same flannel shirt.
Not by design, I'm just saying it is. And it's
it's almost in as bad as shape as what Kirk
Cobaine was wearing for that.

Speaker 4 (02:54):
Yeah, but that's kylish, right.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
It just serves a purpose, you know. So there you go.
What are you going to offer up a meme at all?

Speaker 4 (03:02):
You're playing here? I'm not going to get into details
of the how and the why. But if I had
a meme right now, it's pretty anxious, pretty pretty anxious.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Pretty anxious.

Speaker 4 (03:15):
Yes, interesting, A lot of stuff going on here at Cardinals. HQ. Oh,
pretty anxious.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
Okay, what do you what are you allowed to say?
What can you share? In terms of you know, what's
for the record, what's off the record?

Speaker 1 (03:29):
What you know?

Speaker 2 (03:29):
It's just us here in the trust tree, Cardinals on
the ground.

Speaker 4 (03:32):
I think I think there's some cool content coming. That's
as far as I'll go with it. But there's a
lot of moving parts, Paul.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
There's some complexities.

Speaker 4 (03:45):
I see a lot of moving parts. So I'm actually
excited for this because A I can relax a little
bit and with this fine podcast that I do enjoy doing.
And and number two, because we are not doing video
this week, I don't worry about anybody seeing how dressed
down I am, which had a purpose. I'm gonna be

(04:09):
doing some manual labor today, so which is all I am?
The way I am.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
I'm not going to get a full day's work out
of you. Is that what you're saying? That's good? All right?
I think Danny's sitting there in silent protest as the
way I started this this podcast.

Speaker 3 (04:21):
No mine is the pajama kid meme, the little boy
who's wearing pajamas on school day and he's just looking
at people and taking his eyes with nothing to say.
I love that, I say everything.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
Okay, all right, So maybe that's our segue to jersey numbers,
you know, based on what we're wearing or what have you. Okay,
so maybe that's the segue. And what was the question
as here? And we do have a game plan. I know,
I know the start of this podcast would bly any
sort of sense or order, but we do have a
game plan. And one of the bullet points best uniform

(04:54):
number choice? Really okay, I mean I just thought it was.

Speaker 4 (04:58):
I mean, I know that some combination of you find
podcasters have already talked about the numbers at some point.
I forget which combination it was, but but I did.
I do think it's an interesting topic, especially given everything
that we've heard about, like what's going on with the
giants and Abdill Carter and everything.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
I thought, Okay, what's okay, impromptu powerpol give me your
top three jersey number choices one through three. Who do
you think killed it? Who crushed it? What is the
best number attached to which player I do.

Speaker 4 (05:31):
I do love a cornerback with a zero. I do
think that could be really cool, especially if you have
be a shutdown call.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
Oh yeah, especially yeah, if you if you shut out
a receiver and you hold wide receiver one to zero catches.
Oh yeah, that has marketing potential. Absolutely, yeah, no doubt. Okay,
that's my number one, Danny.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
Yeah, I was gonna go with Will Johnson at zero
or Walter Nolan at ninety seven.

Speaker 4 (05:56):
I like, I do like ninety seven. Everybody, especially like
all these linemen are trying to do some different things,
and I love the harken back to the old school.
Like you got a defensive tackle wearing ninety seven. I
like that a lot.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
I want to go with Kalais Campbell at ninety three,
just because you know that's it's a double dang. But
I'm going to advance pass the eighteen year veteran now
and I'm going to go to rookie Cody Simon. There's
something about a mic linebacker wearing fifty a Mike's singletary.
Just that mic linebacker wearing fifty at the epicenter of

(06:35):
the defense. It's a great fit. It's a great look
and if you're that dude, it just makes so much
sense on so many different levels. So you can only
hope for a lot of reasons that Cody Simon is
that guy for the next decade and wearing number fifty,
that to me has potential just the position itself.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
I agree Tho's probably been my top three. So rookies
are off to a hot start for US.

Speaker 4 (06:58):
Yep, not too No offense to Kalays Campbell. We are
happy he's back in ninety three.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
What about ten for Josh Sweat? I mean, I'm looking
at this and I'm saying a little confused.

Speaker 4 (07:07):
We're not on video, Danny. You need to you can annunciate.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
I gave two thumbs down because it just doesn't feel
right for an edge rusher. Ten. I don't know, it
just doesn't feel it feels too low.

Speaker 4 (07:20):
How do you feel about ten versus five, which is
what Baron Browning changed to.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
If I had three thumbs, I'd give it three thumbs down.
It's not personal. Clearly my opinion doesn't matter. They didn't
consult it.

Speaker 4 (07:30):
I'm glad you don't have three thumbs. I'm just going to.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
Say that for the record, I want higher numbers. I
want higher numbers for those spots. It just feels better.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
Yeah, the five for someone along the defensive front really
feels like college, right.

Speaker 4 (07:42):
Well, and that was his college number, and then and
then it was brief. It was briefly his call his
number in Denver, he got it for a little while,
and then obviously Matt Prater had it when he first
got here. But so I kind of understand it. The
tent thing, if you recall correctly, Josh Sweat was asked
about his number because he had been the nineties and
then switched to nineteen last year yep. And then everybody

(08:04):
said are you going to keep nineteen which was available?
And uh, he said he wasn't sure. And obviously he
now moves to ten, which is who is ten? Last year?

Speaker 2 (08:15):
Ten? Last year was blank? He was a receiver, right,
wasn't it? Oh my goodness? Uh, that's a good.

Speaker 4 (08:22):
Now we're all embarrassed.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
That's bad. That's that's that's probably bad. We'll move on
Jacoby Brissec getting seven, So yeah, that's that's probably. Uh,
that seals it on kay Zer White.

Speaker 4 (08:32):
Probably, I think that would probably. I do know, you know,
we've all been around this for a long time. If
there's a guy that the door is still open for
him to potentially return, they try really hard to keep
that jersey number available in case he does. And so, yeah,
I would, I would anticipate that. But once they drafted
Cody Simon, to me that probably, I mean that that

(08:57):
probably was what was going to do in Kaizer White
if they got somebody in the draft. Michael Party, Ah,
that's right, Michael Pallarty backup.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
Hunter, Wow, Wow, Okay, sorry, carry on, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (09:09):
Thank you, Danny.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
All right, nobody's wearing number eleven. And that's my segue
to Larry Fitzgerald and Darren your entry recently for Hall
of Fame consideration, So update us where what is the latest?
This is the year, is it not?

Speaker 4 (09:22):
This is the year. I'm really excited about it being
the year for if no other reason, the fact that
people can stop asking when the year is and wait
a minute, he never retired. How can he go in
the Hall of Fame? He has to retire. First, all
of those were incorrect. We've talked about this before. As
long as you have not appeared in a game, your

(09:45):
clock starts. So unless he went back, which is really funny,
because I heard a clip from Arizona Sports. I think
it was Luke on the Luke and Wolf Show or
somebody on the Luken Wolf Show making the suggestion of
how much they would love it for him to I'm
back and play one because he finished in twenty twenty
come back and be able to play one more game
in front of fans. I'm like, no, because that would

(10:06):
start his clock all over again. So you don't want
to do that, not just for that. So but yes,
he's up for the consideration. If he gets in first ballot,
it'll be in well, I guess technically will be February.
I think the week of the Super Bowl would be
the first week of February and twenty twenty six. That's
when he would go in.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Because the class is inducted around the Hall of Fame day.

Speaker 4 (10:30):
But we're going to start hearing about it. There's going
to be the first round of nominations, which are a
ton of them or is like that September October area,
then it gets cut down in late November December, so well,
the conversation is going to start creeping up on us.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
I will say, though, it is a reminder of how
Larry finished his career walking off the field at so
far an empty Rams home stadium the end of the
twenty twenty regular seat and Cardinals had to have it
to make the postseason. They didn't get it. And there's
Fits walking off the field in sweats. He was injured

(11:08):
and or not playing. I forget these circumstances. And I
have a really bad picture from the press box because
as a sideline reporter you were allowed nowhere near the field,
and this aerial picture of Fits.

Speaker 4 (11:22):
You didn't all those games that we got to sit
in the press box together, Paul.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
The most remarking, and I could do a whole hour
and the most remarkable, The most remarkable one was MetLife Stadium,
Yes empty, autoly empty, and from the press box, which
was open air, there was no glass in front of
you separating you from the playing field. You could hear
the sidelines better than you could on game day being
ten feet away from the bench. It was remarkable the

(11:48):
way the sound echoed through that whole stadium. So, okay,
there's Fits. By the way, is this where I get
off on the rant that because Larry has never officially retired,
there were three off seasons in a row. Danny where
I worked on the The Quintessential Larry Fitzgerald Career documentary.
There's a twelve to thirteen minute video sitting in someone's
computer that we labored three off seasons because remember he

(12:10):
was going to retire. You hope that he wasn't going
to ring tx computer. There's a lot of work sitting
in there, Darren, I know, and a few years ago.

Speaker 4 (12:18):
It'll get cracked out at some point you might have
to update a couple of things.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
But just gonna say, a few years ago I communicated
with Fits. I'm like, dude, let's go while we're young.
Where's the official retirement. Because we've been working on this
documentary forever, we'd like to issue it and put it
out there, right, And of course the text I get back, Paul,
great to hear from you. Hope the family is doing great.

Speaker 4 (12:36):
That sounds like him.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
I mean, I started the twenty twenty one season and
I've done a video on FITS that I never saw
the lot of day.

Speaker 4 (12:41):
So we have a lot of content about Fit Go
hopefully we will get to use at some point.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
Okay, all right, deep breath, Okay.

Speaker 4 (12:49):
I just on a quick throw that though it was funny,
I put that story out and I did mitigate the
tweet about it to a certain point. They said an
argument can be made his first ballot. Now, do I
think he's for ballot? Of course, I think he's first ballot.
But the way they change the rules now it is
different than it used to be. Do I think he
was going to end up in the final ten and

(13:11):
then get to the final five, and then the way
it used to be is if you made it to
the final five, as long as then it was yes
no on each of the five, and as long as
you got eighty percent, you were in the way it
is now, they get to a final seven and you
can only vote for five and you still have to
get to eighty percent, which means it's a lot easier
to get split votes. And that's what happened last year

(13:33):
there was only a class of four guys. I'm not
saying he's not getting in, but it is more difficult
than it was two years ago.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
But you know what, Look, Larry's getting in and I'm
this year and I'm guessing he's getting in first acount.
He's getting in.

Speaker 4 (13:46):
He's getting in.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
I'm just but if it's more stringent standards for the
Hall of Fame Football are otherwise good and more good
when Chubby Checker goes into the rock and Roll Hall
of Fame and he basically had one song, the Twist,
and it's not even rock and roll, although that doesn't
stop them from putting, you know, Dolly Parton into the
rock and Roll Hall of Fame. But I mean, can
there be any lower standards than any hall than the

(14:09):
rock and Roll Hall of Fame? Have you seen some
of the names that have been inducted?

Speaker 4 (14:12):
So if Eli mannings better, if Eli Manning gets in
the Hall of Fame, you're gonna have an.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
Issue with it a little bit, a little bit.

Speaker 4 (14:18):
I'll be honest, really, I would do.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
You know what, This is a good time for a breather. Okay,
here we go. We're gonna turn over to our own
Jim almhandro behind the keyboard. It is time for out
of context.

Speaker 4 (14:31):
Please tell me your clip in that you have to
clip that one.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
Can we have like an out of context slooperheel or something?

Speaker 2 (14:39):
It shut is resplendent. Can I just say thank you?
You know the light will come on just like that.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
And you're the keeper of the light.

Speaker 4 (14:48):
Actually that is still getting clipped.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
I mean, why won't anybody call me we cut the UFOs?

Speaker 3 (14:53):
Really, I am not a good bartender. I have a
heavy hand.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
You and Dave pash that stories for another time. Speaking
of being lit as a kid, say he looks swollen
as a kids say edit that out.

Speaker 4 (15:04):
Yeah, I forget that.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
When I say edit it out and then it purposely
gets edited in. Really, I vote.

Speaker 3 (15:10):
Our next autographed item is something signed by Darren Urban.

Speaker 4 (15:13):
I love that point. Danny sol props to you.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
Well, there's daily drivers and then there's collector cars. Ah,
don't mix the two of them. They're epic, I hear.
I mean totally lit their hype. I mean the cops
show up, HOA violations everything.

Speaker 4 (15:26):
You don't want to be out here, don't be in
the street.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
There's some misinformation flying somewhere.

Speaker 4 (15:30):
It's okay. You're allowed to disagree with Paul Calvic.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
So strong and so fast and have such intense teeth
and big mouth.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
What is the point of the discussion.

Speaker 4 (15:40):
The point is is social interaction.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
Paul, I think that the average human male is being
vastly overrated. Felt to ass turn the lamp on top.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
That thing needs an extreme makeover. And this point that.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
Bus anyway, you are a man of grudges.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
This is just abject incompet It's just her tone of
her voice sounds like she's setting up and she's really not.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
I wish you would have the nerve to make eye
contact for me while you say that next time.

Speaker 4 (16:09):
Wow, So I do kind of wish we had video today.
There was some quality reactions to the out of context.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Had had an edge to it, pretty contentious. That go
out of context right there? All right? That would qualify
as winning behavior, legit winning behavior. The job there that
was done and out of context. Yes, most definitely out
of context, there's no doubt about that. Little doubt about that.
And but winning behavior a little bit later, not so
much when you talk about the winning in behavior. I'm

(16:39):
going to ask you guys a question right now. It's
our latest game show we've been doing this off season.
Want or need? Okay, wide receiver two? Want or need?
Because Darren, you have your finger on the pulse of
all the message boards and people hitting you up in
the mail bag.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
Well, and then that I mean bringing in a new receiver.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Yes, a Marii Cooper, A Marii Cooper. Is that still
a thing?

Speaker 4 (17:04):
Among the red side somebody. I saw some articles saying
that that they were talking about the article was best
fits for a MARII Cooper, and I think the second
team listed was the Cardinals. I think the first team
listed was the Cowboys.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
Yes, I've seen that, and they've done that.

Speaker 4 (17:21):
Actually, I saw one of the car the Cowboys beat
writers tweeted something along the lines of I think it
was your guy Hellman too. It was something along the
lines of, I do think Amari Cooper could help the Cowboys,
but if that happened, I'd be really angry that he
ended up going back there and you wasted the last
three years when he could have been there the whole time. Something.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
Because well, here's the article I just saw a half
hour ago. I did a quick review of the landscape
and it was Cowboys one, Jets two, and basically summarizing
these articles, name another receiver right now in the Cowboys
roster beyond c Lamb. Name another Jets receiver beyond Garrett Wilson.

Speaker 4 (18:05):
That's pretty tough fair probably, although if somebody did most people,
if they did that with the Cardinals, they wouldn't be
able to say anybody beyond Marvin Harrison facts. Yes, I'm
a Michael Wilson guy, but like I don't think most
most fans would know him.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
I'm gonna go with need for your question. Okay, the
follow up is, is Michael Wilson that player? I think
that's a big question mark going into this year. The
way that last season ended when you're looking at the
passing game was not as consistent as the run, and
we heard from players and coaches alike that they wanted
to see change going into this year. The question is

(18:41):
that change possible with the personnel you currently have? Can
you get more out of Zay Jones who we hardly
saw it all last year? What is the role of
a Greg Dortch and is it the most of what
we've seen right? Has he hit the ceiling in terms
of what his role is going to be as a cardinal?
There are a lot of questions. I think that is
still in need. It makes sense. It wasn't something that

(19:02):
was done in the draft. When you look at the
other needs and the players and the decisions that were
made there, it isn't eat. The follow up question is
just essentially, is Wilson a true number two?

Speaker 4 (19:15):
It's funny because I was trying to give. I saw
a couple of clips of Dortch out there on Twitter
this week and a couple of really nice Routy was
doing in practice. I think it was the Colts joint practice.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
The one handed grab this week, right one too.

Speaker 4 (19:29):
Like again, we've seen good Greg Dortch. I just wonder sometimes,
like where where does all this fit? Like, let's say
you bring in Amari Cooper to be your number two,
right the way this offense is and the way Trey
McBride is and the way they want Marvin Harrison to be.
Is Amari Cooper enough of a blocker that you're going

(19:50):
to have him out there most of the time because
when you run the ball, you need your receiver to block.
Is he going to be the blocker Michael Wilson is.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
That's exactly what Rob Frederickson said on the Red Sea Report.
Canny block really block.

Speaker 4 (20:01):
A fine, upstanding gentleman.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
Here's my follow up question. Can't you have enough plays
where you don't need a Mari Cooper to go out
and be your blocker and you need him to go
out and be your number two. I know that the
staff prioritizes wide receivers who can block and I completely
understand that. I do think there are circumstances where if
you want a true number two is going to take
the top off a defense or someone to open it
up for Marvin Harrison Junior, It's possible that's going to

(20:24):
take priority over a wide receiver who can block.

Speaker 4 (20:26):
No, I'm not disagreeing with you, but I'm also saying,
like the way they I think they really want to
run this offense the vast majority of the time. They
want to be lined up, so you don't know if
they're gonna throw or if they're gonna run. And if
you put Amari Cooper out there, you're probably not running.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
The Drew Petsing word is multiple. You always want to
be multiple, at least pose the threat. I'm gonna go
back being multiple.

Speaker 4 (20:52):
I'm gonna go back to when I talked to Monty
Austin for at the owners meetings and I ask them
about the potential of a speed receiver. And I'm pare
phrasing now, but he basically said, with we need people
that do everything, and if you're just a one trick pony,
that doesn't help us.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
You know what, It's funny because I can.

Speaker 4 (21:09):
Say it quite like that I'm I'm interpreting.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
On Friday when I carried Wolf s Keister speaking to
the Wolf of Luke show, and we got into it,
and he continues the narrative. Well, you know, a speed
receiver would be nice, someone to take the top off
stretch the field everybody. Now, I said, I'd rather just
have a receiver who is money on third down when
it's third and gotta have it. I'd rather have the
receiver a Keenan Allen, for example. You know a guy

(21:35):
who's been there and done that can get to the sticks,
you can find the window, can be a reliable target,
developed that trust in chemistry with Kyler. To me, that's
and for everything Greg Deorch did at times last year,
there were also a number of times where he just
ended up a yard shy of the first down marker.
And so, okay, do they have a Xavier Weaver who's

(21:57):
ready to take a jump. A guy who flashed in
practice got some opportunities the end of the regular season.
He got open, he got some targets, he got his
hands on the ball, couldn't quite finish. He finished a
lot of those in practice and during camp and full
speed drill. So does he have it in him in games.
Maybe he's pretty quick, he's not a four to three guy,

(22:17):
but or go ahead.

Speaker 4 (22:19):
I was just gonna say, But going back to Danny's point,
which is I don't want to get too far field
on the speed receiver thing, like again a wide receiver too.
Is that guy still out there? Is that something? I mean,
it feels like at this point, and you guys can
disagree with me if you want, excuse me, but it

(22:39):
feels like if you win after a veteran guy at
this point, it's probably not gonna be intil August, right.
I don't see them finding somebody to come in for OTAs.
And if I'm a MARII Cooper, I'm not sure I
want to do that. Like, if you're a Mari Cooper
and nobody's offered you the kind of money you want,
you're gonna want to go to a place that might
even see was receiver one.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
Well, that's a big question of bringing in a veteran
receiver is what are they wanting from a team. And
if you're going to come here and know that you're
going to be behind Harrison and you know the role
that McBride has, and you know that they like to
use James Connor out of the backfield. Are you okay
coming here knowing you're probably not gonna, you know, have
a lot of games where you are the main target, right,

(23:24):
It's probably gonna fluctuate.

Speaker 4 (23:26):
And the other thing to me also is is like, look,
and we've seen it. They've brought veteran receivers in here
before near the and I'm not saying it Marik Cooper's
near the end of his career, but like Michael Crabtree
or even AJ Green, although AJ Green had a pretty
good first season when he was here, a decent first season,
and I think they would love to have the kind

(23:46):
of season AJ Green had was at twenty one. I
think it was twenty one. But you know, if Amari
Cooper was all that, he would be signed by now.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
Well, and a lot of Bills fans will back you
up on that and say, you know what is last
year or the Bills was pretty underwhelming and when he
missed the final five games the last year and the
Bills were still scoring thirty points a game, sort of
like that rant GM Brandon Bean went on with those
Buffalo radio hosts right after the draft when they were
lamenting the lack of receivers in the draft.

Speaker 4 (24:16):
I don't think that was winning behavior, by the way.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
Yeah, so yeah, the film is not that great from
twenty twenty four and Amari Cooper. Plus, I think there's
enough competition, or at least enough need out there. You know,
teams like the Cowboys and the Jets who probably are
gonna drive his price tag beyond what MANI considers feasible
and acceptable.

Speaker 4 (24:37):
I'm asking this genuinely, is not to poke at you,
but you're gonna know a little bit better. Do you
think the Cowboys would entertain bringing him back or do
you think the okay?

Speaker 3 (24:48):
Absolutely? Just checking absolutely.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
Then again, what if Marvin Harrison Junior explodes in year two.

Speaker 4 (24:56):
Then you definitely need wide receiver one because he's dead.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
Maybe, like Danny and I say it's a need, but
maybe it does become only a want as I just
continue to cruise pass that you there cracks himself up
over here because NFL dot com has an article out
today ten notable year two players or a poie for
a breakout campaign in twenty twenty five, number three Marvin

(25:22):
Harrison Junior for the first two I don't have an
in front of me thanks for asking me a question
I can't answer, Darren.

Speaker 4 (25:28):
Damn it.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
This is Mark Ross who's a NFL network former front
office guy, and so.

Speaker 4 (25:35):
I mean, could I pose the fact that if Marvin
does not have a breakout year two, that that's all
kinds of problems he cites.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
I've got the list he site, go ahead, number one,
Drake May Okay, number two, Caleb Williams, number three, Marvin
Harrison Junior for Xavier Legette, and.

Speaker 4 (25:54):
Then the list goes on Les Xavier Leguts in Carolina.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Yes, those first two guys didn't have an offense of lines.
So a lot of it has to do with the
personnel around them, with the Patriots and Bears on office,
always quarterback, but Marvin Harrison Junior, this is about Marvin,
and Mark Ross cited and I forget about this, And
it's true. There were seven games he was held a
fewer than forty yards receiving. So for everything he did

(26:19):
do his rookie year, there is ample room for improvement.

Speaker 4 (26:23):
True.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
And you know it's interesting because what did Jonathan Gann
until Adam Shine on satellite radio that he has loved
everything about Marvin's offseason so far, including the fact, when
the very end of last season occurred and they had
their player coach meeting, Marvin walked in with a list.
He's the one who headed JG the list and said,

(26:46):
here's what I need to work on. So then we
got into okay, would what should be on that list?
We all watched every snap of his rookie season, and
I went back with the old four c's. You know,
when you go to buy a diamond ring for the
misses and there's the cut color, clarity, and I always
forget the fourth one I can never remember and that

(27:07):
other fourth one because it's all scam, Darren. It's all
a scam to get you to pay big money for
a for a diamond ring. I know it works, cut color, clary,
and the most obvious one karrot.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
Thank how big is the rock?

Speaker 2 (27:22):
Yeah, we'll edit that out later. Okay, So here's what
I have, uh, four c's. I have contested, get better
at the contested catches. Confidence. You know there were times
where he talked about okay, you know, game was fast,
all right, So hopefully after year one confidence consistency, because
he had some great games and then he had those
seven games forty yards or fewer and then I have

(27:44):
to come up with a synonym for separation. Is there
a word that starts with C that's a synonym for separation,
because that's that's the last one I think needs to
be in there. Well, I mean or routree.

Speaker 4 (27:55):
You could just spell it with a sea and say
it's a soft sea and separate.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
It's French Canadian, So we could do that.

Speaker 4 (28:03):
Anything else, well, this goes with the confidence. But I
just Drew Trell's words kind of ring in my ear
at the end of the season when he basically said,
I want Marvin to go out there and realize that
he's Marvin effing Harrinson and they've got to defend me
rather than worrying about And I do think that's natural

(28:26):
for anybody in any profession. That first year you're never
going to feel like you're that person, But the second year,
you definitely can feel like you're that person.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
That was low key, a really good interview that Drew
that was.

Speaker 4 (28:41):
I agree it was low key because nobody, not a
lot of people talk. But I based the whole Marvin
Harrison's story at the end of the year based basically
that interview.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
Remember that, Yeah, there's some really insightful.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
Really, he had a pretty uh powerful, should a passionate
answer when I had asked about separation, because at the time,
you're the end Cardinals like Michael Wilson and Marvin Harrison
junior through the NFL were listed as some of the
players who were having the fewest yards of separation, and
I was asking him about that, and he went into
a whole answer about how he doesn't even know how

(29:14):
that socided, and it has to do with the timing,
and it has to do with if the route had
to change or what the defender was showing, and when
did the quarterback throw the ball and what were the
yards after catch and all of these things. And I
was like, that's great.

Speaker 4 (29:25):
Too long, didn't read Drew Trell does not believe in
the statistic of separation.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
He does not.

Speaker 4 (29:31):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
I am right there with you, though, Paul. And what
you want to see in a jump consistency, absolutely, and
consistency in all of those facets you were just talking about.
It wasn't until the final two games of last season
when Harrison had games where he surpassed fifty receiving yards
and back to back games it was it was an

(29:52):
EBB and flow right. There were games he would pop
off in the first quarter and we wouldn't see him
again until the fourth, or he would have a really
great game and then be why at the next game,
whatever that might have been. When you're a number one receiver,
you need to go out and you need to be
a number one receiver on a week to week basis,
and even if you are demanding attention, you have to
be able to make those contested catches. You have to

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be reliable, and he showed that. He showed that a
handful of times. The game against the Rams. He actually
looked good. Both games against La Miami was a fantastic
game for the rookie. He has all of the qualities
and the tangibles and a lot of the intangibles you
want of the work ethic and the humility and the
team first mentality that leads you to believe he will

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have a jump in year two.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
And the reason we heard the word swoll in out
of context there was in regards to some of the
pictures on Azcardinals dot com Marvin Arrison Junior, I mean
he's added some muscle mass.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
Darius Robinson, who was already a large human being, looks
like he has put on some muscle.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
I've heard that from a number of people.

Speaker 4 (30:54):
I haven't seen him yet. Really a ton of videos. Okay,
all right, I think we got that's good sizzle. I
would I would check it out, check that out. Right.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
So so I've come up with a new concept that
might be a staple for years to come, or it
could flop miraculously right now and you'll never hear it again.
But en below plays it's our leaving the Nest list
breakout players leaving the nest out on their own established That.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
Makes it sound like they're leaving the Cardinals.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
I know, I know it's not the greatest.

Speaker 4 (31:27):
You know, he's work shopping.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
So in addition to Marvion Errison Junior, I have eleven nominees. Okay,
here's the including or not including not including Marvin. That's
kind of you know, captain obvious and NFL dot Com
sort of grabbed him. So any other player on the
Cardinals current roster is fair game. Here's my top three
leaving the next poised for a breakout, yet.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
Like you you need them to have a breakout, just.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
They're poised for a breakout. Like Number one for me
is Trey Benson. I'm not saying you necessarily need it
because of James or is healthy. He's the dude and
he's running back one, but Trey Benson, number two, Will Johnson.
And the reason I throw that out there is, look
at Devin Witherspoon, right, he came in. He started every

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single game for the Seahawks the last two years. He's
been all pro. I mean, Sauce Gardner, I looked it up,
started all seventeen games as a rookie. Patrick Surtan started
fifteen games out of the sixteen he played as a rookie.
It's to me, it's definitely doable. It's definitely feasible. Will
Johnson could break camp as CB one. I don't think

(32:34):
that's unrealistic. I don't think that's I don't take.

Speaker 4 (32:38):
I don't think that's unrealistic in the least. I will say,
when you have a head coach who is a secondary guru,
I wonder about the experienced part of it and how
much love he probably already has with some of the
guys that are here. By the way, before we go

(32:58):
any further, almost, how about who will spread their wings
rather than who will leave the nest?

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Who will spread their wings. I like that.

Speaker 4 (33:05):
I like that. Okay, anyways, who's number three?

Speaker 5 (33:08):
Then?

Speaker 2 (33:08):
And for that reason, cornerback Max Melton was really tough,
and at the very end, it came down to either
Max Melton or Rabbit for top three, and I went Rabbit.
I went Rabbit. I just every time he was stinking
on the field, he made a play, his presence was known.
He's just a hard hitter. He's a difference maker. And
I'm just wondering, you know, or everything I love about

(33:31):
Jalen Thompson. I wonder if that's a competition more than
we think possible. I wonder if a Rabbit isn't out
there with Buddha Baker in the base defense.

Speaker 4 (33:44):
That would be incredibly interesting. The whole secondary safeties and
cornerbacks together, It's going to be fascinating to see how
they end up keeping who they keep on the roster
and then how they deploy everybody. I would say, and again,
you've had a chance to actually do research on this
where you just kind of threw this at me and
Danny so true. My first thought, and I was thinking

(34:08):
this even before Danny just mentioned him, would be Darius Robinson.
I think he's been anxious to get back out there
and do things full speed since he went through everything
he went through last year. I think he's the kind
of kid who it's eating at him that he was
not able to be more successful as a rookie. And

(34:31):
I think being in that room is going to be
awesome for him because he's going to be He's the
kind of kid who's going to glomb up everything that
they try and feed him. And I think he's got
a real chance to be He played just enough last
year where I'm not worried about him going through rookie
growing pains and being able to be in his quote
unquote second year, you know.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
And what does a Koalais do for him? What does
a Dalvin Tomlinson do for him? And here's the other
thing I'll throw out about Daris Robinson. Midway through his
rookie season, he lost his mom and so none of
us really knows exactly, but you know that had to
have been really tough, really different.

Speaker 4 (35:09):
Just the way he kind of talked about it on
social media, you could or put it out there on
social media, you could tell.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
So if he's a different person this year, both physically
and mentally spiritually, you know it makes a lot of sense.
He easily could be in the what is it spreading
the wings list? Now? Is that who will spread their wings?
Who will spread their wings? All right? Danny? Anyone come
to mind?

Speaker 3 (35:29):
Well that was only one player, but sure I would
stand on would Darius Robinson was on my list for
sure for all the reasons you just mentioned. Going into
year one and a half essentially for him and knowing
the work ethic that he has and the tangibles and
what we had already seen before he got hurt, and

(35:50):
then to come in late and having a full off
season and being healthy and ready to go, I think
it's it's really going to give him the opportunity to
kind of jump onto the scene here. I'm going to
go with Josh Sweat, who had some of the best
years of his career in Philadelphia under Gannon and defensive
coordinator Nick Rollis. Last year he had eight sacks, nine

(36:13):
tackles for loss, fifteen QB hits. And you put him
behind a defensive line that's got Dalvin Tomlinson, Kalais Campbell,
Daries Robinson, Justin Jones, LJ.

Speaker 4 (36:22):
Collier.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
I think he is poised for success in this defense.
And my third I was going back and forth between
offense and defense. Offense, I want.

Speaker 4 (36:36):
Don't take them all, so I need stilling to give
to me.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
You had the opportunity, and you passed it to me.
You said, Danny, I wanted to go with guard Isaiah
Adams going into year two. I think I'm gonna go
with cornerback Max Melton and just what we saw from him,
and he was competing for a starting role with Star
Thomas and kind of sharing responsibility. He's there, and I

(37:02):
know that, you know, with good reason, everybody is very
high on Will Johnson. I don't think it's as easy, truthfully,
as you guys are making it seem like Johnson's going
to come in and have a starting role based on
what we saw from Melton and from Thomas, I don't
think it's going to be that simple for him to
come in and take a starting role. And I would
put Melton as my third player.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
I mean, if you're a current Cardinals cornerback and you
were just sitting there over draft weekend, you're like, wait
a minute, they took Will Johnson. Hang on, they took
a kid who started fifty one games at Ohio State
and Denzel Burke. I mean, you are on high alert
if you're in that cornerback room right now.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
I'm not saying it's not possible by any means. I'm
just saying I think it's going to be a competition
with those three, specifically for two starting roles outside.

Speaker 4 (37:46):
I would put Milton on my list because I think
Max Max is a really good dude, but he also
has a high opinion of himself in a good way,
and I think there's a part of him thinking, well,
wait a minute, if you're taking this Will Johnson guy
in the second round, and he can be an immediate starter.
What I'm not chopped liver here, So I do think

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I think he's going to be anxious to get out there.
The third guy I would have on my list, I
think would be Baron Browning, who flashed a little bit
at the end of last year, and I know he's
been in the league a couple more years than that,
but I think now that he's comfortable in his defense
and I think they're going to I think they're going
to use him. It'll be interesting to see. I mean,

(38:27):
I'm I think the Cardinals really need either he or
Bjojali to take a big jump. And it's funny we
don't even think of bj Ojalari when we're talking about
these things right now, because Adams I did do and
it's just like as you sit here and it's like
he could. We talk about this draft class and we
talk about who they didn't take. Oh, they didn't take

(38:49):
an offensive lineman, or they didn't take that. I mean,
we got guys like Bjojalari who would be essentially bringing
a draft pick into the mix. Darius Robinson really didn't
do much last year. He's coming into the mix. Elijah
Jones another cornerback, a third round cornerback. Yeah, he hasn't
even had a chance. Like you're gonna be putting some
guys in the mix of playing time that are essentially

(39:13):
like adding a free agent and or draft pick that
didn't do anything much last year that that hopefully will
also help this team.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
Hey, Max Melton, I thought finished with a flourish his
last two or three games. He may have had some
pass breakups. He looked really good all accounts from the
head coach. He was tracking very well. But I like
the Josh sweat. In addition, what you said, Danny, what
did Josh SWT tell us when he met the media,
that Vic Fangio and that Super Bowl just said, go
get him, just unleash me, unlock me, just them, go

(39:43):
get them. And that's what Jonathan Gannon did with Josh
Sweat in Philadelphia. So if that's the you know mo
o with Josh Sweat in this defense, that's a good pick. Also,
I'll just say this, how much better are the edge
rushers based on how much you improve the interior d line?
How much better is this secondary just based on how
much better the defensive front is right now? So the

(40:07):
other names I had on my list that you know,
sort of the watch list, tip Ryman, what's it going
to be all about in year two? Can I mean
he can catch the ball? Will you get any targets?
Once again, it's the mandatory give me one tight end
screen to Tip Ryman per game. And then I actually
had Chad Ryland in my list, believe it or not.
But Isaiah Adams. Has anyone seek out a visual on
Isaiah Adams? I mean Daris Robinson winning the off season,

(40:30):
Marvin Arrison Junior, what about Isaiah Adams? Anybody's seen what
he looks like? Is even living in the squad rack.
That's what I want to know.

Speaker 4 (40:37):
I can't speak for his living conditions, and nor have
I really seen him yet.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
Can always count on Darren to take it literally appreciate that.
All right? You last, I answered, Rookie Mini Camp, what
are these guys going to get out of this? What
should they expect? I mean, I'll just take a quick
I mean, you're certainly not gonna win a job in
Rookie minicamp, but you can tell. You can tell who
doesn't belong. You can usually get a quick grasp of okay,

(41:05):
that guy, Yeah, guess what, he doesn't have NFL measurables
or doesn't seem to be keeping up, and so it
really can be more of a disaster than it can
be a positive.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
I think you get to that point of knowing maybe
when you get closer to OTA's right, you put him
through Rookie Mini caamp, and then when you get him
out there with the veterans, it's okay, is he drowning
or is he you know, staying above water? Rookie Mini
camp is it's a lot about just adjusting. The rookies
haven't even been in the building yet, so when they're here,

(41:37):
it's Thursday, Friday, Saturday of this week. It's about physicals
and getting your footing of where everything is in the
building right, where are you going for meeting rooms, what
is the schedule going to look like, and then what
the expectations are, expectations in the weight room and the
meeting room, out on the field, what you're doing at home,
what you're putting into your body. It's kind of getting

(41:57):
everything at once and getting assimilated and to meet the
draft class that way. When I believe it's the following week,
OTA's is it two weeks later?

Speaker 4 (42:06):
I think we got another week after this one.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
When when you're out there mixing with the veterans and
by that point, that to me is where you can
really tell, Okay, who is getting a grasp on the playbook,
who is understanding what is going to be asked of them.
They might not know everything perfectly right now, but you
can tell that they are working to that point.

Speaker 4 (42:25):
Rookie Minnie camp is tremendously different, Paul, from when we
used to when we covered it once upon a time,
it used to be a true mini camp that used
to be out there for a number of praices. You'd
have not only all the rookies. But you'd have a
number of you know, inexperienced players out here and a
bunch of trial people and you'd be running eleven on eleven.
That's not what Jonathan gannon amanias for it, liked to do.

(42:47):
There's a couple of extra people, but for the most part,
it is just what Danny said. It's it's about acclimation
and is not about getting on the field. They will
get on the field next week. They can be part
of the Phase two stuff, which is a step below
OTAs and they can start doing that after Rookie Mini
Camp is over and then OTA start and that's when
you can start figuring out, you know, where they really fit.

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But rookie Mini camp now is again just what Danny said,
is it's about learning how to what it's going to
be like to be a pro on a daily basis
rather than any kind of real practice.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
And dare I say with this draft class, you really
want to see how they process the playbook as well. Yes,
especially like a Cody Simon. You know, how much is
he swimming, is he getting a good grass? Is he
getting initial traction in the playbook? You know, Hayden Connor Okay,
intriguing as an offensive lineman, how complex is this offense
compared to Texas? And so that'll just be a it

(43:43):
will be an indication as to where they are mentally
with the playbook. Because first thing you have to do
is you have to gain the trust to your coaches
before you ever get out on the field. And then,
of course, if you, you know, are responsible for any
sort of poor behavior, that can really you know, work
against gaining trust, which brings us that's our segue, hand
handed as it is for winning behavior this week.

Speaker 5 (44:08):
Can you display winning behavior? You have to consistently display
winning behavior.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
That's winning behavior.

Speaker 5 (44:14):
You've got to define what winning behavior is and hold
people to that standard.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
Yes, who's batting lead off? Here?

Speaker 4 (44:25):
I can bat lead off if you?

Speaker 2 (44:26):
Okay, for here we go, Darren, I have to.

Speaker 4 (44:28):
Bring this up. I noticed this, Paul. I noticed you
don't use the Clorox wipes as much as you once did.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
That is true, you're absolutely right.

Speaker 4 (44:37):
But I saw this story that said, even after everything
that we've gone through in the pandemic and the resulting
rules that everybody was again reiterated upon about how much
and how often and when you're supposed to be washing
your hands. That apparently nearly half the respondents of their
survey still forget or choose not to wash their hand

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at key times, such as after visiting grocery stores, restaurants,
coffee shops, and healthcare settings including a doctor's office or hospital,
and oftentimes it's forgetting. But twenty percent of the surveyed
people actively choose not to wash their hands, some thinking
the practice wasn't necessary, they don't have the time, or

(45:21):
they didn't want to dry out their hands.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
Who did the survey?

Speaker 4 (45:24):
I don't have in front of me, but it was
somebody important.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
We did not want to dry out your hands.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
That is the most disgusting thing.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
It's the epitome of indolence right there? Are How lazy
are we people? You don't want to dry your hands? Really?

Speaker 3 (45:38):
Okay, I mean, it's just it's it's so gross if
you're not washing your hands after you're touching sweaty gym
equipment when like the amount of people who don't wipe
down the equipment is done, you're not washing your hands
after you're going to the grocery store and touching produce
that everyone else has picked up and put back down
like it just discussed. It almost makes you wonder, do

(45:59):
you trust go into a potluck and people cooking in
their kitchens not knowing if they're washing your hands.

Speaker 4 (46:04):
There's a reason why buffets shut down during the pandemic.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
I mean, come on, people.

Speaker 4 (46:11):
Look there's still people out there that. Okay, I'm not
going to go there. No. Now we're going to get political,
and then we're it's going to be like it's a
slippery slope. Okay, but not washing your hands as a
gateway drug in some ways to some thought process.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
Speaking of slope, did you hear about the Mount Fuji story?
I can't say I have a climber was rescued twice
in one week from Japan's Mount Fuji. Twenty seven year
old tried to make the climb, had to be airlifted out,
couldn't make it, got sick. A few days later, realized

(46:46):
couldn't find his phone, no no way, decided to scale
Mount Fuji again in search of his phone, and once
again he had to be rescued. What twice in one week?

Speaker 4 (46:57):
Okay, when you started that story, for sure you're gonna
say he got sick, but he was going to think
it was a one off and I've got to conquer
Mount Fuji. You're going up there to look for your phone?

Speaker 2 (47:07):
That's what I thought. I thought, Mount Fuji is not
going to get the best of me. I'm gonna climb
that mountain. Literally, that would have been bad enough. Instead
of was dude, where's my phone? And I probably left
it at the top of Mount Fuji. Ah, I forget
about the fact I was there, lifted there three days ago.
Let's try it again.

Speaker 4 (47:27):
That is not only not winning behavior that I hope
he has to repay them every single penny of the
costs of doing that.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
I used to do a segment called Dude Factor. That
would definitely be a dude right there. What else do
we have here? I'm looking, Oh, Miszoo journalism, Danny, this
one's for you.

Speaker 3 (47:45):
How about that the Kentucky Derby the winner circle. Did
you see the man right front and center behind the
owner of sovereignty wearing his Mazoo journalism hat, which was
a bit of a sting because journalism the horse came
in second place, but hey, tigers were everywhere.

Speaker 4 (48:01):
If they would have been wearing a cronkite hat, would
you have mentioned it?

Speaker 3 (48:04):
No, because you would have been obnoxious about it.

Speaker 4 (48:06):
I wouldn't have seen it. I didn't watch the Kentucky Debrie.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
Usually the Lakers qualify as obnoxious. Yes, that's true, except
when Luka Doncic does something to save the day, not
the series. He couldn't save the series. He's out of
shape in the opening round in the playoffs. By the way,
how out of shape do you have to be for
your head coach to call you out in a press
conference the season? Any press conference when you've only been
in town two months.

Speaker 4 (48:28):
I was imagining Nico Harrison.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
So anyway, I was not aware of this story. Somebody
vandalized the Kobe and Gigi Bryant merl in downtown LA.

Speaker 4 (48:39):
Before we get to Luka Doncic. Why would somebody do that?
That's like somebody it was. There was a statue in
Kansas City. I think of Jackie Robinson or Mike that
got like like why what do you?

Speaker 2 (48:53):
What are you doing?

Speaker 4 (48:55):
But anyways, sorry.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
So anyway, Luca donated the funds necessary to restore the mural.
That's cool, and so.

Speaker 4 (49:03):
That is well early world. I do like that, And.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
I mean when you have the when you have the means,
like a Luka Doncrich does financially. To me, that's got
to be arguably the best aspect of being that wealthy. Right,
you can step in and do the right thing because
you have the means to be able to do that something.
It's so meaningful to everyone else, and you're the one
who can come in and sort of be responsible for it.

(49:29):
That's hopefully that's really gratifying for him, and it's just
start of what he'll do, you know, going forward, because yeah,
he can afford it, there's no doubt about it. Okay,
all right, so there you go. I'm looking here. So
DC is getting the draft in twenty twenty seven? Is
Phoenix even in the mix? Is the asy? Are we
even being talked about it all for a draft?

Speaker 4 (49:51):
I have not seen that because Number one, it feels
like they try and focus draft sites on place is
that probably wouldn't get a super Bowl because the weather
is such good points.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
Weren't you out there? You said it was hot at
the draft part.

Speaker 4 (50:09):
That's the other problem.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
No, I was not whining. I don't whin. I was
not griping and grousing. It's been a lot hotter in
years past. But yeah, it knows all right, as soon
as the sun went down, though. It was perfect, absolutely perfect.

Speaker 4 (50:21):
I think I think ultimately, uh yeah, the Draft will
go to play for the most part. I know I
went to Vegas ones. I think for the most part,
they want to have the Draft in places that couldn't
normally get a Super Bowl. Yeah, that's that's kind of
my thing, and and it will be interesting to see
in DC. There's some of the things I'd like to
say about that whole thing, but I'm gonna refrain. But
I mean, I do think it'll be kind of a

(50:43):
cool setting. And uh, it definitely caught the eye a
little bit more than some other Like I'll be honest,
I had to look up that next year's was in Pittsburgh.
I didn't even know it.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
Was in Pittsburgh City with what is it, five hundred
bridges something by the way.

Speaker 4 (51:00):
Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh. It's a good place to visit.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
Can I a little bit of a rant about the
Draft twenty twenty five? A little bit we're still seeing,
especially on NFL dot Com, the Cardinals Draft is being
portrayed as MANIASI fort took big swings quote end quote.
Austin Ford swung from the heels is another story. A
z rolled the dice. Really is that that that's really

(51:25):
the narrative that Cardinals took such a huge swing on
a Will Johnson at forty seven, or the character concerns
were such that Walter Nolan qualifies as a swing from
the heels at sixteen.

Speaker 4 (51:36):
That's really narrative until it's not. I mean again, that's
what everybody's gonna run with, and that's fine, and then
everybody gets a chance to throw in their faces.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
Okay, all right, because.

Speaker 4 (51:48):
I'm sure all these people will write mea culpa's just
as big as the original headliners.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
Mm hmm. Okay. I'm sort of sad though, I can't
use the word balder dash until until all the mock
drafts come out next year.

Speaker 4 (51:59):
You know, sure you could find a place to sort
of like my flannel shirt.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
I have to go ahead and you know, pack it up,
put in a box up in the closet, you know,
balderdash and the flannel shirt, you know, just won't be
seen again until once the weather cools off.

Speaker 4 (52:11):
Are you a shorts guy, Paul?

Speaker 2 (52:14):
By the way, I'm just gonna let you guys know
right now my new term. As long as we're throwing
around terms and narratives. My new term for the forty
nine ers, I'm going to use the economic term stagflation
for the forty nine ers, slow growth, rising prices. Forty
nine ers, What do you guys think about that sort
I'm trying to.

Speaker 4 (52:32):
I saw some I saw some graund that'll stick based
on and not based on last year's winners.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
Considering leaving the Nests lasted all four minutes to almost
came up with a better Moniker.

Speaker 4 (52:43):
Not but based on the chances of wins for going
into the season, not necessarily based on last year's winning percentage.
Boat what these teams are expected to do this year?
The forty nine ers have by far the easiest schedule
in the league.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
Really, yes, o'kay?

Speaker 4 (53:00):
In the league, not just the NFC West.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
Can I say though, when we look at the Cardinal schedule,
because it's very similar obviously to the Nights it is,
I mean the Cardinals schedule knock on wood, Yes, doesn't
look so daunting.

Speaker 4 (53:11):
No, But again the problem is is you give the
forty nine ers two games against what was.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
It the fourth Bears and the Browns.

Speaker 4 (53:20):
Now the Bears might be a lot better.

Speaker 3 (53:21):
Who knows the Browns have Joe Flacco.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
One of five quarterbacks right now.

Speaker 4 (53:28):
And I think this is I think this might be
the first podcast in like a month that we haven't
mentioned a certain quarterback.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
So now that Hard Knocks has said see you to
North Carolina, what a story that is? What about the
Browns quarterback room that that should really should be the
next destination for Hard Knocks, Come on the quarterback quarnerback.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
I think I think they might be waiting outside Pittsburgh
to see what might happen there before they probably make
a final decision.

Speaker 4 (53:55):
Could be my Tobum might vomit if he got Aaron
Rodgers and Hard Knocks cameras at the same time. Wait,
they just did Hard Knocks in Pittsburgh. They just did
the ind season in the AFC North, so they won't
do it again.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
I'll leave you with this. Walter Nolan didn't answer our
question as to which quarterback you would like to sack
the most, So then Wolf and I did a powerpole
the quarterbacks you would like to see Walter Nolan sack.

Speaker 4 (54:18):
Well, it can't be if Aaron Rodgers goes to Pittsburgh,
it can't be him.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
Work with me, just Oky forget the schedule. Okay, work
Daron taking it literally again, the whole NFL is wide open.
I went with Gino Smith. I went with Russell Wilson,
just done his past Seahawk days. I went with Sam Darnold.
So you're seeing a trend there.

Speaker 4 (54:39):
This is where Paul holds all his grudging in.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
Any Seahawk connections. I'm trying to think of the fourth one,
but number one.

Speaker 5 (54:44):
Was Eric.

Speaker 4 (54:47):
He's actually back in Seattle.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
Jim Zorn was not on the list, and then the
Aaron Rodgers was number one. You know, America, America would
like to see Walter Nolan the third sack. Aaron Rodgers, come.

Speaker 3 (54:57):
On Rogers with our come on with our record that
we did of teams. How he screwed me over. Speaking
of the AFC North, it is a bummer we didn't
have getting culture because I have thoughts on what Joe
Burrow wore to the Macala, and they're not friendly thoughts.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
I was disappointed.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
Next week, yeah, but at that point it's all news.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
Was that the double breasted suit jacket that I saw was.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
That there were a couple NFL players. DeAndre Hopkins was
there justin Jefferson Russell Wilson.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
I'm not saying a small prayer to the fashion gods.
Please don't let the double breast.

Speaker 3 (55:29):
What's his name, Jonathan Owen? He was there.

Speaker 4 (55:34):
Don't get almost started.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
Next year, I'm going to loan Joe Burrow my Finnel shirt.
That's what I'm going to do.

Speaker 4 (55:41):
Will you wear it?

Speaker 2 (55:42):
And why am I looking at the camera? Looking at
the camera? Why am I looking at the camera when
there's no camera to say goodbye? Fantastic see once again
full circle. Here's my crying Jordan meme for he had
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