Cardinals Underground - Class Of The Draft

Yes, we are opening with a mention of Valentin Senn, but Paul Calvisi, Darren Urban and Dani Sureck quickly turn their attention to the Cardinals’ draft class and what it all entailed. The discussion included the thought process of the Cardinals during their trade in the fifth round, Denzel Burke and why they were OK with the opportunity cost; collecting all those cornerbacks and what the battle will be like in the secondary; the benefit of getting both Walter Nolen III and Will Johnson, two guys considered first-rounders pre-draft; what Johnson can be; a Belichickian episode of Getting Cultured; the Shedeur saga; Cody Simon’s chances to start; Jalen Milroe’s winning behavior; and Paul updates the power poll of incompetence.

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Speaker 2 (00:35):
Touchdown, Tyler Murray. That defender is in multiple pieces.

Speaker 4 (00:38):
Oh that was nasty right there.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Rights slamm the ground by fooda baker like a torpedo.
He came flying into the backfield. I ain't scared of nobody.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
Here's Paul calvic.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
I suffice it to say, neither one of you has
done anything to like the lamb. In fact, if anything,
that's a demerit. I just heard someone's computer go off
three seconds.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
How is that our fault when you just started the
podcast two seconds ago?

Speaker 2 (01:08):
But we're leaving the light on in honor a mandatory psycho.
News had just came down moments before we hit the
red record button. Mandatory Psycho four years as Cardinals tight
end Bernhard's Psycho its and at least based on the
current roster construction, no Moss. So we're leaving the light
on for him, especially since I was sitting on a

(01:29):
piece of video for a good year or so that
I just tweeted out in honor of a mandatory Psycho.

Speaker 4 (01:34):
So wait, you had a piece of video waiting for
him to get cut.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
I was hoping it would be, you know, celebrate oh,
you know, a good moment. Instead we're celebrating his career.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
I can't really see from here. Is that foam? Is
that tape wrapped around the beach? Ok So don't don't
start the podcast saying Darren, I haven't done anything.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
It's so new. There's still packing foam in the nose,
in the beak, if you will, So, okay.

Speaker 4 (01:58):
I will say for Psycho, I enjoyed talking to him
a few times. We're going to try and ignore the
fact that Paul got a little sideways there.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
Well, what do we we're talking about? Like the lamp right,
it's it's it's a hockey, you know, there's so you know, boom,
We're just you know right there, like a hockey injury,
you know, like the that's how it works.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
You just take he has a bloody nosers, you just tape.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
A bandage on it, and you go, you're a hockey player,
you know what I mean. So anyway, there you go.
But what is the deal? They actually signed someone who
qualifies as the international player.

Speaker 4 (02:29):
Okay, yeah, Valentin Sen, who works out quite frankly really
well for the Cardinals. Because the rule for international players
is you qualify as long as you didn't go to
high school for more than two years and your place
of your country of residence is not the United States,
you qualify. So he he played high school football in

(02:52):
Austria coincidentally and uh, but then came over to play
college football, start at Colorado, was there briefly and then
went to Etiquette and actually was a three year starter
on their offensive line. So you managed to get into
your international exemption a guy with significant college experience.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Okay, So for everyone who wagers at home during Cardinals Underground,
if you had Valentine Sen as the first Cardinals rookie
we were going to talk about after the twenty twenty
five NFL Draft, you win from a lottery tickets, a
long point, some long odds in this draft class. That
that's where we're talking.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
Well, you two already got to talk all about the draft.
I feel like completely left out. You're all doing you
do well.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
That blame Craig. He was in charge of hand selecting
those on Cardinals Cover two podcast Draft.

Speaker 4 (03:36):
That's true. I'm first of all, I blame Craig for
almost everything else. So why not this?

Speaker 2 (03:41):
Well, Darren, the floor is yours. I'll go I'll get
up and get a cold beverage. You just go ahead.
Give us your thought alogue, No, give us your thoughts.
So where do you want to start, Darren Urbin, This
is your opportunity to talk Cardinals draft.

Speaker 4 (03:53):
I would say the first thing that comes to mind,
and I would love to know your guys' thoughts on this.
But you know, now, when everybody talks about how much
they pushed on defense, I mean, the first four picks
they made were all positions that we had talked about
them potentially addressing in the draft. So you can't really,

(04:14):
you can't really go, well, why were those of the picks.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
De tackle, corner, outside linebacker, slash edge inside linebacker right?

Speaker 4 (04:21):
So I would say, then you get to the fifth pick,
which is another cornerback, Denzel Burke. And I understand that,
and I understand the people that are frustrated about the
trade down and what you potentially gave up. There was
a couple of receivers, but more importantly, there were like
three guards that had been bandied about as potential guys

(04:42):
that could come to the Cardinals, Marcus Mobou and Frasier
out of LSU and the Slater Kid. All of them
ended up going being picked between where the Cardinal's original
fifth round pick was and where they ended up in
the fifth round where they ended up taking Denzel Burke. Now,
I'm gonna say you can argue what you are. I

(05:04):
get that you passed up on those guys, but I
feel like it's been completely ignored that this team took
both Christian Jones and Isaiah Adams in last year's draft.
And if you're looking at those two guys and you're saying,
we're looking at what they are, what they could be,
and where they are compared to in this case, those

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three potential guys, why wouldn't the Cardinals be willing to
trade back they say, we've already got better guys than that.
On the roster. Now I'm not saying I know that
for a fact, but I feel like this draft once
again was seen by some through in a vacuum, and
it can't be seen in a vacuum.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
Well, look, I'm with everyone to a point if that's
sort of the line of thinking. Cardinals traded out of
one point fifty two round five senate to Dallas in
return for one seventy four and two eleven in between. Yes,
Tory Horton came off the board at one sixty six,
the Colorado State receiver nearly six three four four, one forty.

(06:05):
He had a senior year hampered by injury, but he
had a really good junior I'm like, oh, man, that guy,
he's big, he's fast. That could look good for a Cardinals.
You know, everybody, now stretch the field, take the top off.
And then there was Miles Frasier, the LSU guards six six,
three seventeen. So at that point I'm like, hm. But
then Cardinals a few picks later, at one seventy four,

(06:26):
they take Denzel Burke. I mean, the dude has started
fifty one games at Ohio State as a corner. He's
gone against five different first round picks in his practice
days at Ohio State. But then, to me, even better,
Hayden Connor, you want a guard six six, three fourteen
and a dude is three year starter, more than forty

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starts at Texas, and he went all of last season
according to PFF, not allowing a sack on any of
his pass blocking snaps, over six hundred of them. And
then when they say, you look at his film and
he was really good against the two Michigan d linemen,
Mason Graham and Kenneth Grant, and all the guys he
went against in practice for Texas. So okay, I see

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the method to the madness of trading away five and
then moving down to get that extra pick because it
netted you, essentially, Hayden Connor.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
The cornerbacks room is one where this staff likes to
have competition. Similar to the defensive line room where you
have the rotation the edge room, they like to have
that in the cornerbacks room. In fact, after the draft,
general man GERMANI ausin Fort said that you can never
have enough competition. The draft gets to be it's a science.
The first round is really about the specific players and

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what they can bring to your team because if a
player is good enough, you can find a spot for
them in the first round. Once you start to get
into day's two or three, it really becomes a science
of the skill set and the individual player paired with
the needs. And that's how your board comes to your
final board going into the draft, and there's so much
preparation that goes into it that you have to trust

(08:00):
the work that's been done. So if you're at a
spot in the fifth round where you can get a
cornerback that you feel elevates this team better than an
offensive lineman would given where you're looking at where your
team stands, that's the right decision. It doesn't mean that
offensive lineman was not in need. It doesn't mean an
offensive lineman if that's what they decided to go with
their original fifth pick, would have been a bad decision.

(08:23):
It's you're having to look at multiple different pieces. And
I'm right there with you, Paul. If you feel like
you can drop down a couple of spots, get some
extra capital and still get not only the positions, but
the players that you like and are a good fit
for this organization, that's the way to go about the draft.

Speaker 4 (08:39):
It's funny, okay, maybe nobody thought Valentin Sen was gonna
be the first work we talked about. Would anybody think
the next breakdown would be the fifth round?

Speaker 5 (08:48):
You did?

Speaker 4 (08:48):
I will and there you go. And I'm gonna add
one more thing to this because I could talk about
this forever. And that is again Mani asin Fort during
the draft talked about how he got calls in the
second round when they had Will Johnson on the board
and people wanted to trade up to that spot and
he's and have him trade down. They passed because they

(09:11):
wanted Will Johnson. The same thing happened with Jordan Birch
in the third round, and he said it happened again
in the fourth round when Cody Simon was on the board.
So if the GM is sitting there saying and basically
proving with real anecdotes that he will stick and pick
if he feels the right guys there, what does that
tell you about who the guys that were there? Again,

(09:32):
you're talking about Danny, You're talking about sticking to your board.
You're talking about understanding if I trade back. Yeah, there's
those three guards and two receivers. Potentially that all could
be gone before I'm willing to give those guys up
and by the same token, we don't know where they
he had those guys rated compared to Hayden Connor if

(09:53):
he saw them all the same.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
I mean, here's the other thing. Cardinals have a dozen
corners on the roster. A dozen. How many are made men?
How many are absolutes? I'd say Garrett Williams and Max Melton, Starling, Thomas,
nice player, undrafted rookie a couple of years ago.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
You want to consider Thomas in that group?

Speaker 2 (10:14):
I would, I mean, but I'm talking.

Speaker 4 (10:16):
I'm not. I would agree with Paul.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
I'm talking has absolutely made the cut, sitting right here,
right now.

Speaker 4 (10:23):
There's nothing that could happen that would have him.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
I'm more on the fence. I think I could see
this year of Melton earning a starting role, where last
year it was Melton kind of fighting for that because
Thomas had a year prior. But I still see I
guess you guys still see the upside in Thomas. I
think I'm just a little more convinced than the two
of you are.

Speaker 4 (10:43):
When he says made men, this is how I'm interpreting this.
Tell me if I'm wrong, Paul, He's talking about when
you have all these cornerbacks. Somebody isn't going to be here.
Who are you willing to I don't want to say
bet your house because Danny has a big problem with
those kinds.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
You never asked me to bet my house. He just
asked me to bet my paycheck.

Speaker 4 (11:02):
Bet your paycheck? Who are you betting your paycheck? That
they're absolutely on this roster? I can't given who they have.
I mean, we haven't even talked about Elijah Jones, who
is a third round pick.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
He's a total unknown. He's a complete unknown. We don't
know really what he's about because he really didn't have
a rookie season for a whole multitude of reasons. But
right now, I'm just saying, Garrett Williams, Max Melton, Starling
Thomas not an absolute. I would expect him to make it.
Not an absolute. Sean Murphy Bunting. Are you telling me
if SMB gets out played by Will Johnson and Denzel

(11:34):
Burke they're not going with the future.

Speaker 4 (11:36):
Oh, I would say Will Johnson's a made man.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Okay, yeah, I would agree with that. What I'm saying is,
if you're going with four corners out of camp, maybe five,
I mean, guess.

Speaker 4 (11:47):
What Oh, I think there's gonna be more than that.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
Okay, but think about this. Think about how many d
linemen are coming out of camp? I asked Dave Sears,
the assistant GM refreshed for my memory. He said the
word six. Sixty linemen made the final fifty three coming
out of camp a year ago, which is the typical number.
Tell me who's going When you look at Darius Robinson,
Walter Nole in the third, Dalvin Tomlinson, Kalis Campbell, Justin Jones,

(12:11):
Ballall Nichols, that's six, Dante Stills, A. L. J. Collier eight,
and then Ben Stilley nine, and there's a couple other
names off the back end.

Speaker 4 (12:20):
I think they could keep seven this year though.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
So again, there's a really good player who would have
been an absolute a year ago, two years ago to
make this team that is not making the final fifty three?

Speaker 4 (12:32):
Isn't that what they're supposed to be doing though?

Speaker 2 (12:33):
Hello, And that's why I think the real improvement comes
not just player by player incrementally improving the roster, but
what does that do for the level of competition at camp?
What does that do for the overall level of play?
There is only one guaranteed way to motivate in professional sports,
and that's job security. So if you go into a
camp and everyone knows that fifty one of the fifty

(12:58):
three spots are set, which has been the case the
last couple of years, I think you could argue that's
definitely not the case this year. And I just wonder
what that means for the month August and how that
carries over into the start of the season, if guys
are coming out with that mentality instead of hey man,
I'm just gonna make sure I'm healthy. When Week one
rolls around and I'm ready to go, it's no I'd

(13:20):
better be ready to go August one or else I'm
not going to have a spot on this roster.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
That's what you want. You want that competition, you want
that fire. You don't want people to just be content
because they were on this roster last year. You are
constantly having to prove your value and fight for that
starting roll or in those two instances those position rooms
start for a spot in the or for a spot
in the rotation. In general, I also think that they

(13:45):
are going to take an extra defensive lineman. I'm curious
to see now as we go into year three, Now
that we have seen the overhaul on both sides of
the ball, how similar or different this defense looks? Because
now that you have vastly different personnel on the field,
does that change what they envision this defense to be?

(14:07):
And I think when you're looking at the priorities of
this offseason and how big defensive line was, makes me
wonder when we get to camp if things are going
to look similar or maybe a little different based on
the bodies they've added.

Speaker 4 (14:20):
And the other question to me is is if you
do have to move on from a player or two,
and you've raised the bar of who those players are,
you might be able to flip them for a better
draft pick. You might be able to get a fifth
round pick out of somebody that you're probably gonna cut
instead of a seventh.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
I joke with Dave Series, the assistant GM, you know
who won the draft. It wasn't this team or that team.
It was Nick Rollis. That's who won the draft. And
you know what, it was a long time coming because
the last two years, the first round pick went to
the offense. Yes, he got Darius Robinson, but he didn't
get much out of them because of injury. In year
number one. But then we took that conversation with Adrian Wilson,

(15:00):
what happens if the Cardinals were able to rush for
and drop seven? And he said, that's what really truly
challenges a quarterback, especially types like Kurt Warner back in
the day, Right, Kurt Warner used to love it when
you would blitz him, because then all of a sudden
he would just do the math. He'd find the open man.

Speaker 4 (15:15):
The most famous thing about that was the undefeated Patriots,
and everybody said, how the heck did the Giants beat
them in the Super Bowl. It's because they were able
to rush for and get all kinds of pressure, and
that's shut down what had been an incredibly potent offense.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
And you just saw in the Super Bowl this last season, right,
you saw it. They rushed forth the entire game, the
Philadelphia Eagles. So how do you defuse the best player
in the game today, Patrick Mahomes? That's how you hit in,
harass them, and you get seven into coverage, so you
close down a lot of those windows and it's not
quite as easy for him just to release the ball.

Speaker 4 (15:50):
Who do you like, and I'm not saying who's going
to be a better player. I'm not saying. I'm saying
simply in the prism of the draft, which picked you
like better Nolan or Johnson?

Speaker 2 (16:03):
Definitely Nolan, Okay.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
I my original instinct was going to be Will Johnson.

Speaker 4 (16:09):
That's okay. You're allowed to disagree with Paul Calvicy.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
Are we taught? I just I think both picks truly
make sense for the needs of this team short term
and long term. And we've talked about that is when
you're looking at the defensive line room and where it
stands right now, a lot of players are here through
twenty twenty five, not a lot past that, and the
few that are don't have guaranteed money. So when you're

(16:33):
looking at long term depth and value, Nolan out of
Ole Miss makes a ton of sense. And it's very
clear that they wanted to get better on defense. That's
where a lot of the depth and the star power
in this draft class was like that pick. Johnson was
expected to be a first round cornerback and he fell,
and one of the big consensus around that is his

(16:54):
injury history. The Cardinals clearly felt comfortable from a medical
standpoint on using a second round pick on Johnson. Hearing
the way head coach Jonathan Gannon was explaining Johnson and
his ability to take the ball away to jump routes,
the high IQ level required for that position, especially when
you've got a head coach and that position group is

(17:14):
where he has the most experience. I just feel like
there is so much upside in a position room that
we have also talked about being a need short term
and long term, and I think that Johnson's ability to
do those things of taking the ball away and being
a shutdown corner, which is how he described himself, I

(17:35):
think that can pay dividends for this defense.

Speaker 4 (17:38):
Is this where Paul just says, yeah, I just wanted
another I want an Aaron Donald in the middle, right.
Here's as simple as that.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
I based him more on the position they play. Yeah,
just a game wrecking three technique is more problematic to
an offense. What do you do?

Speaker 4 (17:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (17:54):
And Drew stand said, here's what you do. You put
him as a three technique the outside shoulder of the
guard and there's not much offense can do. It's very
hard to slide protection his way, and if you do,
then it really opens up gaps elsewhere. That's why Aaron
Donald was always such a headache. That's why at times
Aaron Donald commanded triple teams. You saw in the two
Seattle games. Leonard Williams was a problem for the Cardinals,

(18:16):
and so if you can have that guy in that position,
to me, that is a real advantage.

Speaker 4 (18:21):
I just love the fact, and now I'm going to
walk the fence, but I love the fact that the
Cardinals ended up with their first two picks without having
to trade up and getting a couple of guys that,
if you go back over the last two and a
half months, both were mocked to them with their first
round pick multiple times, and you got both of them.

(18:44):
That's pretty amazing.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
What's interesting is the national narrative is that the Cardinals
rolled the dice. Cardinals took a risk on both guys,
well for different reasons, let's face it, but the Cardinals
front office doesn't consider either guy a risk for those
same reasons. Very convicted, whether it's injury or character.

Speaker 4 (19:03):
There is How do I say this, because I know
we're going to turn off the light. I'm trying to
say this.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
Actually the light is on over Darren's shoulder right now.

Speaker 4 (19:14):
They clearly obviously he's.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
Thinking, he's thinking it's the light bulb. It's the light bulb.
Here we go. Yeah, it's the light bulb. Here we go. Yeah,
clearly edit that out.

Speaker 4 (19:25):
Yeah, I forget that. It's not like they traded up
to get Will Johnson as he dropped either though. I
mean they were probably convicted on taking him. They weren't
Oh my god, he's there. Let's move up these five
spots to make sure we get him.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
So I don't want to ruin the big red rage.
But one of the money moments from the Dave Sears interview,
Polly pencil Neck geez, Dave Fan, at what point did
you really think that he was going to fall to you?
At forty seven? And his answer was at forty six,
meaning they did not think there was any chance, even
if as it was unfolding in front of them right

(20:02):
in round two, that he would make it that far.
But my point is is if you as also the
reason why they got so many phone calls won in
that pick, probably.

Speaker 4 (20:08):
When you got to when he got to like forty
MONI could have gotten on the phone saying, oh, maybe
we should move out, and I'm saying he didn't. So
you know, there's a there's a given take there.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
And I thought the Detroit Free Press and the Michigan
Wolverinees beat writer did a real good summary of just
the injuries he's dealt with the last two years. So
he played six games last season, Will Johnson okay, the
last of which came mid October at Illinois. He had
injured his shoulder earlier in the year, then missed the
next week against usc return against Washington, but that's when

(20:42):
he suffered that what they called a turf toe. But
at the combine he said he tore some ligaments quote
end quote.

Speaker 4 (20:48):
That's isn't that what a turf toe is? Though torn
ligaments in your.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
Toe can be you know, I don't know. And then
the year before he had missed basically the early part
of the season. Twenty twenty three is a recover from
offseason Arthur scoptic knee surgery. That seems to be the
issue where there was the most confusion. At least. Adam
Schefter tweeted out round one Thursday night that teams were
apprehensive about Will Johnson because of the knee. Now, he

(21:13):
got on the conference call and shut that down immediately
right said, his knee hasn't been an issue in two years.
Two years, so there's some misinformation flying somewhere.

Speaker 4 (21:26):
Without I mean, I don't know. I haven't seen any
of the injury things. I'm gonna say one, Obviously, the
Cardinals are very confident in whatever his injury situation is,
that they were willing to take him in the second round.
I will say that.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
And by the way, he had a thirty visit, so
ostensibly he yes, was reviewed medically by the Cardinals.

Speaker 4 (21:45):
I think that. But obviously something spooked teams, and that
kind of spooking isn't because of a sprain from last year.
It's because of something that might be an issue long term. Now.
Everybody can look at it differently, but the Cardinals believe
he's fine. So well, it's not fair.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
To compare players or injuries, and that's not what I
want this to come across. As I think part of
the reason where my instinct was to answer your question,
Darren as Johnson is looking at Garrett Williams, who was
a Day two draft pick, was rehabbing an ACL injury
and got cleared medically by the Cardinals. Right they used

(22:29):
a draft pick on him, he wasn't able to start
his rookie year, and the upside on what he has become.
And if Johnson can have that sort of role in
this defense and you can have a cornerback as impactful
as Garrett Williams has been, that is huge for this defense.
And look this staff, look at it's not even just
Williams who They've done that on wide receiver Michael Wilson

(22:52):
banged up at Stanford Cardinals, felt comfortable about his medical history,
took a chance on him, and look at what he's
done for Arizona. So the fact that they cleared will Johnson,
when you're looking at the history of them doing that
throughout the draft, it has worked well for this organization.

Speaker 4 (23:08):
I just think it's really interesting how he real Obviously
we talked to him. He was not happy that he fell.
He admittedly was not happy that he had fallen, quite angry,
called it a nightmare. Now. Jonathan Gannon said, look, he's
going to get over that. And Jonathananna made it Claire,
he wants him to get over that. It's it's in.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
Jonathananna said, he has help. Walter Nolan the third, asked
for will Johnson's number because he wanted to talk to him.

Speaker 4 (23:33):
I mean, I get that he's upset. It's going to
cost him some money on the front end, but if
he plays the way everybody thinks he's going to play,
he'll get paid.

Speaker 5 (23:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
A couple of his comments in addition to what you said,
I'm on a mission now. It definitely woke me up
for sure. I'm a shutdown corner. I know I'm healthy.
It's one of those things that motivates you more than
anything else. Those are all direct quotes from Will Johnson
on a three minute conference call with the media. So look,
if he is healthy and he is the Will Johnson

(24:06):
that everyone saw when he was the defensive MVP of
the National Championship Game for the twenty twenty three season,
if he's that guy, he could be like Devin Witherspoon
for the Seahawks. You know, top five pick who walked
in and has been a two time All Pro in
two years. I mean, you could have Week one starting

(24:27):
corners as Will Johnson. Max Melton in your nickel is Garrett.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
Williams when you're looking at Darren your original question of
those two picks. It seems just given this whole conversation
of what we're having that the floor feels higher for
Walternerle in the third right now, based on what he
could bring to this defense. Immediately right of this question,
we're talking about how healthy you are, the impact you

(24:56):
could have. But if you hit on this will Johnson
pick in the second around, Holy smokes, that feels like
a very high ceiling when you're talking about the confusion
of Johnson falling out of the first round. Off the
top of my head, I can't think of a mock
draft that did not have him in the first round.
And when those analysts are making the mock drafts, they

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are having extensive conversations with coaches and scouts around the league,
so it is kind of a surprise that he wasn't
drafted in the first round.

Speaker 4 (25:27):
I'm gonna say the last thing I'll say on this
topic when you talk about the mock drafts. I looked
at a lot of mock drafts just to look. I
never saw Will Johnson not in a first round of
a mock draft. I there were a handful that I
saw where Nolan wasn't in the first round, but there
were never any that Will Johnson wasn't, which is probably
why he's pissed off.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
By the way, Can I just provide a quick refresher
and then we'll get cultured with Danny here in the
fifteen drafts until twenty twenty three, the fifteen drafts prior
to maniasin.

Speaker 4 (25:57):
Fort Cardinals Draft, I mean Cardinals Draft Cardinals.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
Drafts, they in the first two rounds in those fifteen
drafts combined, they had drafted a total of two offensive
linemen in round one or two and two defensive linemen
in round one or two. Dj Humphreys, Jonathan Cooper.

Speaker 4 (26:16):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
The two d linemen in the fifteen drafts prior Demani
Osibourne round one or round two, Robert Candci, Dan Williams.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
This was the first time and then in the all
round one first time in the modern Aaron Draft that
the Cardinals used a first round pick on a defensive
lineman in back to back years, Darius Robinson and Walt
Noll in the third.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
Wow, let that hang in the air.

Speaker 4 (26:40):
It's all about the trenches, baby.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
Maybe even throwing a light as it's time to get cultured.
Yes with Danny.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
Danny will segue to you getting cultured with Danny. It
is not just directed.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
At Paul am I, the default uncultured philistine around here.

Speaker 4 (26:55):
Yes, he got me very excited now I am on.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
Social media and consumerer at pop culture. Then both of.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
You combined, I think I'm being unfairly profiled.

Speaker 3 (27:03):
But go ahead, let's go, because that's some good notes
for the two of you today for getting cultured. The
first one NFL great Bill Belichick. Have you guys seen
him online?

Speaker 5 (27:17):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (27:17):
Man, Yeah, Paul.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
So he did a recent interview with CBS to promote
his book. First of all, let's talk about what he
was wearing, which was a T shirt with one hole
in it on his shoulder, which was supposed to be
stylish but just looked scrungey and like he was trying
way too hard. Wasn't a fan of that. So what's

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been circulating on social media is the interviewer asked about
his relationship with his girlfriend, twenty four year old Jordan Hudson,
and he simply asked how they met, which is something
they have kind of talked about in the past. They've
said in the past that they met on an airplane.
They were seated next to each other and got to

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talking and that was how they met.

Speaker 4 (28:03):
How I'm cute, Danny meet cute?

Speaker 3 (28:05):
Was it? Because when when Belichick was asked about it,
you can see on the camera that Jordan Hudson is
in the back and immediately shuts down, says we're not
talking about that. And there's no pushback from Belichick at all.
And there were reportedly other instances where Hudson interrupted the
question and said, we're not talking about that. So now

(28:25):
people are wondering that you've got a nearly fifty year
age gap between these two. So some people think, oh,
they're just being private, they don't want to talk about it.
And I'm not going to go into the theories and
start it's a good idea talking about maybe how they.

Speaker 4 (28:39):
Take a thirty view of this one.

Speaker 3 (28:41):
Yeah, people people might not believe the story that they
have originally told people since she's shutting that down now.
So that's what's been circulating.

Speaker 4 (28:50):
This is this is tangential to this. Danny knows about this,
I know, because she is so cultured. Paul, I'm guessing
does not. This is There was there was a Twitter feed.
I'm going to leave out who it was about, but
there was a Twitter feed, I want to say, in
twenty one, maybe twenty two of a random dude talking
about a semi public person who is about to get

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a divorce and it is the best epic thread about
because the guy getting divorced was around our age, maybe
a little bit older, and it was basically like, dude,
you don't want to be out here.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
It is don't be in the street.

Speaker 4 (29:25):
It's the best thread of all time. I'm going to
show it to you afterwards, Paul. But this is with
Bill Belichick. This is kind of how I'm feeling like
he should have read that thread.

Speaker 3 (29:34):
And it feels kind of cumulative of recent videos right
at unc of when Belichick needs to get miked up
because I think they have cameras that are following him
for his own production company and coverage. Now it's his
girlfriend that's running out onto the field during practice in
heels these big like they look like go Go boots
almost and she's the one micing him up. So there's

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been a lot of discussion about their relationship and.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
And when anyone really inquires about it, she basically tells
them we're on to Cincinnati.

Speaker 3 (30:07):
There you go. Okay, the next point. This has been
a very fun discussion that I have had with a
few people around the offense, around the office. It's been
a topic on Twitter. If one hundred men could take
on one gorilla.

Speaker 4 (30:25):
Unarmed men. You got to make that clear. Armed men.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
It's just one hundred men fighting to beat a gorilla
and not be the ones that are killed.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
Okay, all right? And and and what is the point
of the discussion, can they Yeah?

Speaker 4 (30:38):
The point is is social interaction, Paul, Okay, if we
can't talk about one hundred men versus a gorilla gorilla,
what are we going to tell you?

Speaker 3 (30:45):
How do you both feel?

Speaker 5 (30:46):
See?

Speaker 2 (30:46):
I feel a disadvantage because something tells me you've had
extensive conversations on this topic. I may have been how
do you feel, I'll just say one hundred or a thousand,
it's just a matter of time before the gorilla takes
out every one of them.

Speaker 4 (30:57):
So much much normally I was. I was completely on
team gorilla, like, there's no freaking way you're you're taking
out a gorilla with no weapons. But then I saw
a thread because this is what happens of some dude
who's apparently a gorilla expert and basically said, look, it's
it's you're gonna suffer some casualties. But a gorilla is

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close enough to humans, is like there's some there's gonna
be some instances the gorilla is gonna get tired. If
you can get enough guys on him, he's gonna get exhausted.

Speaker 3 (31:28):
They're so strong and so fast and have such intense
teeth and big mouths. I just I think I think
the general discussion is mostly men, because I don't think
I've seen or heard any women think that one hundred
men could take on a gorilla. I think that the
average human male is being vastly overrated and the average

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gorilla is being vastly underrated. And I don't care if
these people are built like Aaron Donald or JJ Watt.
A gorilla can still take that. And what good is
an Aaron Donald or jj Watt if they get swung
around and they have an entire arm that is useless.

Speaker 4 (32:05):
I will say, I'd rather talk about men versus gorilla
than more shador sanders that we got all draft weekends,
So that so that's all I have.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
You've been cultured well.

Speaker 4 (32:15):
Quality quality ones right there.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
Why Why do I believe that the people doing the
overrating of the men are the men themselves?

Speaker 3 (32:22):
You would be correct in that, Poul, That.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
Would be uh yeah, speaking of men, the power pole
of incompetence will come a little bit later in this
episode of Cardinals Underground Pole. Okay, I mean we've got.

Speaker 4 (32:34):
A whole draft poster after winning behavior and we.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
You know, we're distracted by by gorilla warfare? Is that
what people are calling it online?

Speaker 3 (32:43):
Grilla warfare?

Speaker 2 (32:44):
Are they calling it exactly? By the way, schudor Sanders,
here's another holy can only stat lost over forty million
dollars going from round one to round five? So just
in case you are wondering, I it can always I don't.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
Know, this's on the rundown to have this discussion. Part
of me I will say, like, however you feel about
him as a player or being Dion Sanderson, I felt
for him when you think you're going round one, to
the point where the NFL invites you out there, he
didn't go right. He was home. He had his custom
built wall for all the different hats in his legendary box.

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There was some sort of disconnect of thinking he was
going to be round one. Whether that was because it
wasn't a quarterback heavy class and so maybe being a
little skewed there, whatever it might have been, to be
under the impression you're going in the first round and
then not even go on day two and go on
day three. At some point you just kind of feel
for him, don't you even a little?

Speaker 4 (33:41):
No, I'm with you. But again, like so it was
pointed out which I had forgotten about because it's been
a while ago. But like Dion did a lot of this,
did a lot of things when he went on his
interviews before he got drafted. But he was Dion, he
was he was elite. He was elite. And the problem

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is is it feels like Dion was giving his son
a lot of the same kind of advice. It sounds like,
and his son isn't quite the same guy.

Speaker 3 (34:13):
He didn't do any off season or you know, part
of this pre draft process workouts like he it was
not the typical approach. And I'm not saying by any
means that you know it wasn't right. I guess where
he was picked based on skill level or personality or
the interview, whatever the reason might have been to have
fallen to day three. I just when you've got the

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cameras on you for two straight days, right, like.

Speaker 4 (34:37):
Okay, but let's make clear the cameras were on him. Yeah,
they're his own cameras.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
I'm just saying to a certain extent from a human level,
you kind of feel for the guy when he was
I mean players were getting drafted. He was the entire discussion,
the entire draft.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
Well, Dylan Gabriel got drafted much earlier than he did,
like I didn't. That's when I'm like, oh boy, first of.

Speaker 4 (34:58):
All, and I got all kinds of thoughts on the
prank call stuff. But like one of the reasons everybody
knew about it was because the Sanders can't put out
the video of him getting the prank call. Lot.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
That's fair, That's absolutely fair to a certain extent. You
are asking, right, you're bringing that attention to yourself.

Speaker 4 (35:15):
Breaking news. DJ Humphrey signs with the forty nine ers.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
Oh, because they did not address their offensive line basically
at all in the draft. So that was very curious. Okay,
all right, we'll get to the forty nine ros.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
DJ Humphreys, Kalas Campbell, Jarius Robinson. That'll be fun.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
By the way, speaking to Day three the draft, the
Holy Canoly stat is still Super Bowl fifty two where
Philly beat New England. Eighteen starters in that game. Eighteen
were drafted in the fourth round or lower, and there
were six undrafted free agents who were starters in that
Super Bowl. Dang. So that's my segue into day three,

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and Danie, you'll especially be hardened to know that the
Polly Pigskin Breakout Player at Camp, we've already started to
formulate the watch list. Just the watch list, Okay, we
don't get over our skis not even May as of
this recording. But as of right now we have two names.
The number is too, Cody Simon and Hayden Connor. Right
now I have on the Polly Pigskin Breakout Player at

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Camp watch list.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
Just to let you know, I feel strongly about Cody Simon.
Hayden Connor is going to have a lot of competition
to break through in that offensive line room. Are you
seeing him as a guard? Are you seeing him as
a center guard?

Speaker 2 (36:33):
Definitely guard? Definitely guard. He's not competing with Yelda.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
No.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
But let's see Evan Brown, Isaiah Adams, who also am
I missing.

Speaker 4 (36:42):
Newman Jake I'm forgetting his last name, and that's I'm
glad you brought that up because when we start talking
about who they passed on in the fifth round again,
those guards, it wasn't just Isaiah Adams. I mean if
they're looking at a guy like they just signed Royce
Newman and they look at his body of work and
I know, going, who's Royce Newman. But if the coaching

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staff in the front office is looking at this guy
who they signed as a free agent and they say,
this guy is better than what we've seen on tape
of Miles Frasier, Yeah, you know what though.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
Paul I love keeping an eye on Cody Simon, inside
linebacker out of Ohio State six two two twenty nine.
He was a two year starter twenty twenty fourteen captain
where he wore the green dot, which is huge. Now, look,
that is a big responsibility when you are having to
learn a new system and a playbook and adjust to
the speed of the game. If you're going to also

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have a rookie where green dot calling the defense, that's
a big question mark going into camp because it seems
like now with the offseason moves and drafting Simon that
it's not going to be a likely reunion with Kaizer White,
who has called the defense the last two years. Simon
was defensive MVP of the Rose Bowl. He won the
Big Ten Medal of Honor, which recognizes excellence in athletics

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and academics, and when you look at him as a
player in person, it feels like to a t what
awesome for it? And Gannon want in their players on
the field and in that locker room as somebody who's
fast and physical and has the traits and that is
the type of player you want. But also the person
Simon had the block. Oh so we had the number

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zero at Ohio State, which is something you have to earn.
And it has been described to me as someone who
is a pillar of what it means to be a
Buckeye on and off the field in the classroom, the community,
and the field.

Speaker 4 (38:29):
I know who did the describing.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
It's not important. It's a source. It's a reliable.

Speaker 4 (38:34):
Source that inside linebacker room is. It's changed quite a bit.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
So, Okay, I've started digging on this a little bit
because we've talked about it here for over a month
now on Cardinals Underground. Where exactly are the Cardinals going
for a middle linebacker? Who's gonna wear the green dot,
who's gonna call the defense? You know? The hot take?
I even have Xavi and Collins included in the mix.
That's starting to cool off a little bit based on
a little bit of research I'm doing.

Speaker 4 (38:58):
He's never that hot.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
He sounded pretty hot on it at the end of
the Cover Draft podcast.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
He was I would handicap it right now as the rookie,
Cody Simon a candidate, a Keem Davis Gaither a candidate,
and MIKEL. Walker the free agent who was with the
Falcons for a number of years a couple other teams
last couple of years. I think Mac Wilson Senior is
much more apt to stay the will and or an
edge guy in certain packages. So now to Danny's question

(39:24):
about could Cody Simon where the green dot? That was
a question I posed a little bit and it goes
something like this, Is it a leap to call a
game be the quarterback of the defense from college to
the NFL? Yes? Is it challenging to go against the
Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVay, et cetera. Yes, But if you
now have enough talent up front where you're gonna play

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it much more simple than you have in years past,
I e. Rush for drop seven. You're not gonna do
all the eleven card pickup, as we've called it, all
the craziness and zaniness and unconventional sets and alignments and
all these other exotic blitzes that Nick Ross dialed up
most of the time out of need trying to generate

(40:08):
any sort of pass rush he could manufacture it. If now,
if it's more homegrown and organic, if you will, and
you can rush for and drop seven, guess what, the
defense isn't nearly as complicated to call any longer. So
whereas an a Kaiser White was so valuable in that
regard because he had so much experience, guess what you
could maybe get away with a rookie. Now, rookie, you

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played it at a high level at Ohio State and
went all the way to the championship game. Four time
academic All Big ten, right, big brain, high football IQ,
the whole deal. So I think the plot thickens a
little bit on Cody Simon.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
He has his finance degree. I think if you can
have that, then you can wear the green dot and
call defense an NFL game, Right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
It violates our role hashtag no mass. So much respect
to Cody Simon for getting the finance degree, no doubt
about It's so. I think that's it's really curious. There
was an interview MONI did with Wolf on ninety eight
to seven Arizona Sports, and Wolf flat out asked him,
Will Hernandez Kaizer White? Could there will there be a future?

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And MANI said two things. One, lines of communication always opened. Two,
he hinted, you know, we'll get the guys out on
the field and we'll see what we have. So I
think you can tell fairly quickly is a rookie overwhelmed
by the playbook, And if that rookie is overwhelmed all
the way through rookie mini camp, mandatory mini camp, if

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you're breaking in mid June and the coaches gather and
you go, you know, he's swimming, he's really swamped, or
he's mastered everything we've given him so far. We don't
need to make the call to a veteran.

Speaker 4 (41:43):
Well, I'm going to say this. I think I think
while you're never gonna say never, I think it was
probably likely that as soon as Quody Simon's name was called,
that probably ended things with Kaizer White, because because I
think even if Cody Simon is a little bit overwhelmed,
I think you look at a Walker, or you look

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at a Davis Gaither and you just go in that direction.
But I don't. I'm with you. I don't necessarily think
he's going to be overwhelmed. And I've never met the kid,
like I've talked to him for two minutes. But I
just I think when you talk about why they went
there in the fourth round when they could have gone
a lot of other places, that was probably a big

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reason why they.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
Liked that IDEA good name to have on your list.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Paul, here's the last point I'll make about this. You know,
we were a big fan of Jahad Campbell. Right, Eagles
traded up and a round one got Jahat Campbell he
ran a four or five to one. Cody Simon ran
a four to six zero, four to six flat. Now
that's a big difference on paper, it's a big difference
in the eyes of the town evaluators. But when a

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game starts, if one of those inside linebackers has superior
instincts and the other doesn't guess what, you're playing a
lot faster than the four to six or the four
or five guy doesn't have instincts is playing like a
four to seven. So Jahad Campbell, who spent a lot
of time on the edge at Alabama, we don't know
how natural he is with the instincts reading or reacting,

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seek and destroy as an inside linebacker. We saw that
was Sonreddick. Son Reddick just based on pure athleticism, was
one of the quickest dudes out there. Never played that
quick an inside linebacker because it wasn't natural to him.
So can Cody Simon make up wasn't elite speed? Pretty
good speed, not elite And we're not talking Patrick Willis
here or anything like that. But if he can be

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that guy and can still be serviceable enough with the
athleticism and he's not a complete liability in coverage either
on backs or tight ends anyway, that's.

Speaker 4 (43:45):
You had a lot to say about Cody Simon.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
It's the one big question that in guard. To me,
those are the two big question marks right now on
this roster. Okay, So that's fair, Okay. Hayden Connor, we
talked a little bit about him, right six six three,
fourteen year starter at Texas. I mean, Danny this guy,
I mean just based on who he's gone against. See
it's Denzel Burke and Hayden Connor just based on who

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they practiced against, which is really remarkable. Whether it's five
first round picks at receiver, for Ohio State over the
course of Denzel Burke's career, or the fact you've gone
against elite first and second round defensive linemen for four
straight years, Hayden Connor, It's pretty easy to see is
this guy getting killed or is this guy holding up

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against some of the best in the game.

Speaker 3 (44:31):
There's reason to why six of these seven draft picks
come from a Power five conference, and when you're playing
in the Big ten, Big twelve sec the competition there
is vastly different than other conferences, and you can still
absolutely find good players, but you're already kind of coming
in with good big time experience in some of those

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games where the lights are bright and you need to
go and it's essentially in their eyes, win or die.
Right in college footballs, it's like if you lose a game,
holy smokes, the wheels are falling off. So absolutely the
competition from a practice standpoint as well as the game
standpoint that matters. When you're evaluating, you're saying, Okay, you
can hold your own against competition like this. We're not

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so worried about you coming in and having such a
hard time adjusting to the NFL level.

Speaker 4 (45:22):
I'm really curious again, when we talk about this stuff,
I'm curious to see what Isaiah Adams looks like, what
Christian Jones looks like. I mean, again, you draft guys.
I mean, Christian Jones was a fifth round pick in
a draft class, Isaiah Simmons third round or Isaiah Adams, sorry,
Isaiah Adams third round in a draft class that was

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considered stronger on the offensive line than the current one.
So if they're getting drafted, you know, again going back
to what we were talking about, the guys they passed on,
I mean, those guys were fifth round picks in a
draft class that people thought kind of dropped off the
table offensive line wise after you got past the first
five or six.

Speaker 3 (46:02):
Fun fact too, Hayden Connor has a charity with his
wife called Pause Paws for a Cause that helps find
homes for dogs, which I appreciate.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Aw nice nice.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
I do think it's also fun when you look at
the connections these draft picks have. These draft picks have
either with each other or Cardinals on the roster. Will
Johnson second round pick went up against all these Ohio
state guys, right going up against Marvin Harrison junior, which
seems to be prerequisite for becoming an Arizona Cardinal at
this point. Third round pick outside linebacker Jordan Birch from

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Oregon played high school football with Cardinals outside linebacker Zavi
or Thomas, which is it feels like a small world, right.
You've got Cody Simon out of Ohio State with all
those players, denzil Burke out of Ohio State, so there's
a connection there. And then Hayden Connor was teammates at
Texas with the seventh round picks safety Keaton Crawford, who
ended up going to Nevada his final year. They were teammates,

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so there's a lot of shes between each other. And
with Cardinals already on this roster.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
By the way, I heard from a reliable source Xavior
Thomas has been winning the offseason. He looks swollen as
a kids say, and Darius Robinson has put on some
muscle mass. But I want to know about is Isaiah
Adams in the squad rack right, what's he looking like?
Because if he has made a lot of gains, had
like a Zach Allen offseason he had from year one
to year two and put on like fifteen good pounds

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and got a lot stronger, he is the sleeper on
that offensive line.

Speaker 4 (47:30):
I mean, again, that's where this all has to be
put together. And that's why roster building is so important.
And again they kept around in one shape, way, shape,
or form. They kept all twelve draft picks last year.
I mean the idea is is that you're building the
roster with those guys and we will see And I
just feel like that got lost real easily as we've

(47:50):
gone through this offseason.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
All right, So that could qualify as winning behavior. What
does not qualify as winning behavior? I guess that's what
we get to.

Speaker 5 (47:59):
Now, can you display winning behavior? You have to consistently
display winning behavior.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
That's winning behavior.

Speaker 5 (48:08):
You've got to define what winning behavior is and hold
people to that standard.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
Yes, So, Gino Suarez a four homer game for the
d Backs nineteenth time in major league history. I mean,
that's when the all time rarities in baseball history going
back one hundred and twenty years plus. But it's not
winning behavior on part of the team because they lost.

(48:34):
That's tough. A four home run game and you lost
the game, Okay.

Speaker 4 (48:37):
That's that's brutal. I think there's only been like three
all time four homer games by a person and the
team loss. That was one of them, Bob Horner. I
think in nineteen eighty six former Issue Sun Devil and
Glendale Apollo great and yeah for the Braves. And then
there was some dude in like nineteen fifteen.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
Gotcha with the name Stretch or something like that. Probably Okay,
what's the horseheads one? You got to help me out.

Speaker 4 (49:05):
I did think this was kind of humorous when we're
talking about like so many of these teams give out
shirts or whatever for an NBA playoff game. You know,
you know the Clippers New place, they have the wall
on the one end and it's facing the team, the
opposing team in the second half, I assume, and before
one of the playoff games with the Nuggets, and we
all know how much nicolea. Jokic loves his ponies.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
That totally cares about.

Speaker 4 (49:30):
Yeah, Steve Balmer made sure all the fans in that
area got horsehead like hats or things to put on
their heads, so like they all look like horses.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
Like this behavior that is as behavior point of the wall.
That is, like, there are things I think that you
keep in every sport, right it belongs in college, doesn't
necessarily belong in the pros vice versa. What I think
is so fun in college is when the students do
things like that, right, and you really create some sort
of advantage for that home team. And I think, I

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think that's a fun way. And it's so personal, right,
It's not something random. It's so personal too.

Speaker 4 (50:06):
It's superstar. It's not like bad personal. It's just we
you know, you know, it's.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
Personal where it's positive. Yeah, I just see.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
I wouldn't want to trigger his brothers. Have you seen
his brothers.

Speaker 4 (50:16):
I have seen his brothers.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
Yeah. See, one hundred men against a gorilla, no chance,
but the three Jokic brothers against a gorilla. Now you're talking.

Speaker 4 (50:23):
There's a there's a picture floating around on the internet somewhere.
I saw it on Twitter a couple of different times,
and it's Jokic and one of his brothers and like
a diner like booth, and Jokic looks like he's about
six foot two hundred next to his brother. And I'm like,
oh my god.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
Yeah, yeah, uh okay, let's see here. Okay, I am intrigued.
I gotta admit it, and I hate to do it.
The Jalen Milroe pick for the stink and Seahawks.

Speaker 4 (50:50):
Okay, I don't know he's I don't know if he's
going to be any good, but I saw this anecdote.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
Kah and and please share because I'm not familiar.

Speaker 4 (50:58):
I hate to say this. I'm well first of all,
and this isn't what I'm talking about. I'll get to
the anecdote real quick, but he did. On his conference
call with reporters, somebody asked him, what is your comment
to all the teams that passed on you? And he
said belt to ass, which is a fantastic.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
But so Danny, I backed off the mic so it
was nice and clean.

Speaker 4 (51:26):
I saw this anecdote, and God, I hope it's true.
And I gotta be honest. I know he's a Seahawk
now and I've never been an Alabama fan, but I
love this if this is true about Jalen Milroe. At
the combine, one of the teams asked Jalen Milrose a
series of questions about what he was really good at,
and then they asked him what he could get better at,
and his answer was, how much time do you have?

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And the guy goes and we're sitting here interviewing Jalen
Milrose and he's telling us all these areas he's working
on right now, to which this team said to him,
are you not concerned? Pointing out all these things to
us would concern us? And he basically said back, uh,
you should be concerned with any guy that comes into
this room who hasn't played a down of NFL football

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and doesn't tell you that he has weaknesses or that
he isn't working on them. Plus, it's an insult because
he knows, because that means he doesn't think you know
how to watch film.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
WHOA, I.

Speaker 5 (52:20):
Love that.

Speaker 4 (52:21):
Wow. I hope he came up with that on his own.
Maybe he was coached to do that, But what a
fantastic answer.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Mike McDonald Delta ask that.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
Was a whiplash on that sound effect?

Speaker 2 (52:33):
Well, get ready, NFCUS, because Mike McDonald has already said
Jalen Milroe will get a package of plays. It's going
to be in their.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
Offense, not if Drew Locke has anything to do about it.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
Right, So, and someone asked him, could he be sort
of like your Taysom Hill like play like four different positions?
They said absolutely not. He's a quarterback. So okay, all right,
very interesting on that one. What else do we have here? Well, yeah,
in the Idia prank.

Speaker 4 (53:01):
Which we kind of touched on already.

Speaker 3 (53:03):
I cannot believe what why would you post that? Why
would you? I mean, I know I guess I would sure,
but but I guess this day and age, people just
want to be viral. I just I could not believe
that was posted.

Speaker 4 (53:19):
I know everybody's talked about this to death. So this
will let me go in this one small area of it.
When he said I made a mistake, no, no, you
most definitely did not make a mistake because you intentionally
did that. A mistake is Paul having a glass of
coffee here and me accidentally knocking it over. That's a mistake.
A mistake is not going finding a phone number, writing

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it down, making a plan of how we're gonna call
this guy in prank them, and then calling him and
prank them. That is not a mistake.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
It's premeditated.

Speaker 4 (53:47):
It's premeditated.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
And then relation to the Falcons.

Speaker 4 (53:50):
Well, and again that's a whole I'll let that go
because I think that's horrible on so many ways. And
I know, okay, I won't say that. I was gonna
bring up Jalen Milrose again and saying if it was
one of my kids. But again this, I know he's young,
but he's twenty one. It's not like it was a
twelve year old.

Speaker 3 (54:10):
It was a twenty one year old dude, and you're
recording it, so you clearly know you're doing this to post,
to get attention whatever.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
Not winning behavior, no, no, I feel for the dad though,
Jeff Olbrook definitely feel for the dad.

Speaker 4 (54:23):
Jalen Milroll winning behavior, not winning behavior, Jax Olbrook.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
Let's see here, you know what else I don't need
in the NFC West in addition to Jalen Milroe, because
by the way, Sam Darnold is getting hurt behind that
Jankie Seahawks offensive line, so you will see Jalen Milroll
because he's the only guy who's gonna have a chance.
Do you need that sort of athleticism behind that offensive line?
Atlanta trading the Rams a twenty twenty six round one

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pick to basically move up twenty spots. What are you doing, Atlanta?
What are you doing? And why are you giving the
Rams maybe their quarterback next year and what will be
a much better quarterback draft and you're giving them a
first round pick.

Speaker 4 (55:01):
I can understand how that would do if that would
frustrate you.

Speaker 3 (55:04):
Didn't remember, though, Paul Seattle. With their first pick, number eighteen,
they went with guard grays Abel.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
Yep, yep, he's uh, he is plug and play. He's
gonna he's so like Paris Johnson Junior was two years ago.
The moment he gets off the plane, he's a starter.
You're gonna start him at left guard or right guard.

Speaker 4 (55:19):
I do like not only their first pick, their second pick.
They got that the freak safety out of South Carolina.
Nick Emmin Woro, worry.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
Yeah, John Schneider likes to invest a lot of assets.

Speaker 4 (55:32):
Second, and you've got a defensive coach that'll know what
to do with them.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
I think like he's a Kyle Hamilton what Mike McDonald had.

Speaker 4 (55:39):
I think grays Abel is a fine pick. I think
they need offensive lineman. I don't. I don't know if
he's going to be next level.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
It's not gonna save that whole offensive line. I mean
that that thing needs an extreme makeover at this point.

Speaker 3 (55:51):
That bus all right?

Speaker 2 (55:53):
Speaking of bad, Speaking of bad, the I have three
three entries real quick for the powerful confidence. We haven't
done this so so A Navy jet fighter fell off
an aircraft carrier. You heard that right. Seventy million dollar
jet fighter fell off the aircraft carrier. They were somehow
towing it in a position, it got loose and there

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at once ker plunk into the sea.

Speaker 4 (56:18):
A couple that not supposed to happen. Is that bad, Paul?

Speaker 2 (56:21):
I'm not sure I'm buying it though, I mean, you
just lost a seventy million They said the aircraft carrier
was making a quote sharp turn.

Speaker 3 (56:28):
I love conspiracy theory, CALVC.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
What what I mean? You just don't look. Is there
any chance that our navy, who's been in conflict in
that part of the world, actually suffered a loss that
there was actually an incoming and it took out one
of their planes and they are trying to save face?

Speaker 4 (56:46):
Okay, who wa just saying they're trying to save face
when they could have lost it in combat, which we
would probably say. These jerks who just blew it up,
we're gonna now go dare bomb them. You think they're
gonna save face by saying this thing rolled off the
edge of the boat.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
You can't give these hootie rebels any sort of victory,
even small ones. Okay, here's the next one. I'm gonna
make this quick, so everyone has their streaming services. If
you're an Orioles or Nats fan, you you went and
you signed up for the mid Atlantic Sports Network masson
right and mid and so whatever it is. It was
supposed to be eighty nine to ninety nine, and lots

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of fans got to bill that month for eighty nine dollars.
That got billed nine grand instead of ninety dollars because
of that pesky decimal point that was two spots off.

Speaker 3 (57:41):
This is why we don't work in finance.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
And then here's the last one. Wall Street Journal last
week headline, America is battling a tsunami of stuff and
the stuff is winning America. The headline, Yeah, Americans, mountain
of clutter remain. Here's the stat that stood out. Some
seventy one percent of Americans in a recent survey said

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they repurchased items they already own because clutter keeps them
from finding the original hoarders. We're all orders.

Speaker 3 (58:14):
We will kind of be asked for one of these surveys.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
I need to show a hands. Has anybody repurchased an
item they absolutely know they own that's somewhere in their
household yet they can't find it because it's buried somewhere.
I'll just buy another one.

Speaker 4 (58:28):
Okay, but we're talking about like.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
None seventy one people.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
Like Besides, I know at one.

Speaker 4 (58:35):
Point, I know, at one point I think I accidentally
had bought I had three bottles of Worcestershire sauce in
the house. No, I couldn't even say it once.

Speaker 3 (58:45):
So anyway, so what is the final order on your list?

Speaker 2 (58:50):
Are ranking these? Yeah, ray Gun doing you know well,
ray Gun was was was temporarily replaced by her brother
who remember, you know, for the crip dough fraud. That's true,
that was you know, yeah, I really should update the
overall Well, the red Lobster guy is off right because
I got a new Yeah, regrettably, regrettably Texas A and

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M baseball right not making their players available after losses.
They're they're still on there. That's that's on there.

Speaker 3 (59:19):
So anyway, you are a man of grudges.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
This is just abject incompetence. You know, we're we're being
we're being. This is objective objective, you know, so uh,
there you go down the.

Speaker 4 (59:32):
Quick Diamondbacks on there for losing game where they had
guy hit.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
Four Homers won't put that on there, any other closing comments, analysis, anecdotes, anything.

Speaker 4 (59:42):
I'm just happy the draft is over, Paul, Really, okay,
you're not happy.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
It's the closest thing to game day, though. I mean,
at least there's some intensity, there's some adrenaline, there's something
to talk about, something to report on a real time happening.
You know, you can question the strategy, the tack.

Speaker 4 (59:57):
Did you hold your own with Adrian Wilson?

Speaker 3 (59:59):
Yeah, how many AFT party?

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
I did sort of do what I do best. I
tried to play the dumb guy backstage to see if
Adrian really knew what he was talking about. So like
when Carolina took Tetero and McMillan, I'm like, oh, that's
a terrible pick, right. I sort of let it hang
in the air to.

Speaker 4 (01:00:14):
See if he'd recieve you're talking about him the team
he just worked for.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
I didn't quite realize that, and I found out the
hard way when he gave me a detailed analysis of
why I was dead wrong. And now they need an
next receiver and the keid opening up that offense is
an outside X receiver and they don't have it, and
that Dave Canalis came from Tampa where he had Mike Evans. Yeah,
turned the light off because I so. Yeah, I found

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out the hard way. A dub is definitely up on
his prospects.

Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
He definitely knows no autographs for you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
Uh well, uh, Adrian signed a lot. Let's put it
that way. He signed a lot of autographs out there.
So yeah, I feel like I was being set up
on that one, Danny. So I took no.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
I'm curious if you signed any autographs.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
I just I feel like I feel like you're you know,
I don't go somewhere with that. It's going to be
a zinger.

Speaker 4 (01:01:06):
She does that, the she kind of puts it out there,
and just her tone of her voice sounds like she's
setting up and she's really not.

Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
I wish she would have the nerve to make eye
contact with me while you say that next time.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
Well, I mean she is closer in age to Jacks Olbrook.
You know the premeditated. You know it is a little
bit premeditated, don't you know.

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
So I'm time to wrap the podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
I'm gonna end this before the zinger comes out of
Danny's mouth. That'll do it for Cardinals Underground here brought
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