Cardinals Underground - Cornerbacks, The Underrated, And Graduation

As we hit all the graduation days around the Valley, sure, you’d think Paul Calvisi, Darren Urban and Dani Sureck will be friends forever. First, they podcast this week to discuss the arrival of OTAs, Sean Murphy-Bunting’s absence and how the cornerback situation looks without him, Will Johnson’s chances at starting, the underrated and the underappreciated on the Cardinals roster, Dani gets everyone cultured, Darius Robinson’s importance (and BJ Ojulari too), the authenticity of upcoming position battles, the meaninglessness of Kyler’s rankings, MHJ’s needs, zombies in Winning Behavior, and how international games impact all fans.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
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of the end zone for the touchdown.

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Speaker 3 (00:35):
Touchdown, Tyler Murray That defender is in multiple pieces.

Speaker 4 (00:38):
Oh that was nasty right there?

Speaker 3 (00:41):
Rights slamm the ground by fooda baker like a torpedo.
He came flying into the backfield. I ain't scared of nobody.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
Here's Paul Calvic.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
I do feel like we should start with some sort
of like profound quote from graduation. Tis the season for graduations.
I tried a couple on Ron Wolfley on the Big
Red Rage, and really I don't think wolf was in
the mood. But Darren, you're, you know, married to an educator,
are you not?

Speaker 4 (01:10):
I am?

Speaker 3 (01:10):
How many graduations would you say you've been to over
the years. Are you obligated as the spouse of an
educator to go to high school graduations? Because I went
to one it felt like seven, But I went to
one just last week.

Speaker 4 (01:22):
Well number one, she works graduation, so why would I
be there? And unfortunately, I actually am one under the
minimum for my family because I have two children, two
high school graduates, and only one high school graduation attended
because the other one got flippin' canceled because of COVID.
So I see, I've only been to one other than

(01:44):
my own.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
Of course, that's a win in my book. Really, you're
better off for that, I'll be honest with you.

Speaker 4 (01:48):
She does have to work at every year.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
Your wife should get hazard pay for any graduation ceremony worked.

Speaker 4 (01:53):
She actually doesn't mind the ceremony itself as much as
the morning her soul at seven am.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
Yeah, you know what I didn't notice? By the way,
and Danny, did you know that the future belongs to
those who believe in the beauty of their dreams? Did
you know that or that graduation is not the end?
Did Kermit say that it is the beginning? Or as
Ralph Waldo Emerson said, smart guy, Darren, what lies behind us,
and what lies before us are small matters compared to

(02:23):
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Speaker 4 (02:35):
Wow, what a start, Paul, not the hero, but we
need right now.

Speaker 5 (02:41):
What else you got for me?

Speaker 3 (02:42):
So fulfill your own purpose and potential Danny and will
leave it at that.

Speaker 5 (02:46):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
It sort of reminds me of a I think a graduation.
I think a long speech is I think of Jeffrey
Lourie at the NFL Owners meetings with a tush push
speech that lasted nearly an hour. Maybe we'll get to
that a little bit later. Do we have to We
don't have to do anything, Paul. We're gonna get cultured
with Danny. Look forward to that winning behavior. Absolutely. There

(03:08):
might be a few entries for the power pole of
incompetence or consideration. Maybe just maybe this time of year,
something that happened in the Indy five hundred that I
actually covered way back in the day I never think
I'd see again in my life. So we'll get to
that example of incompetence. But let's just start right off
the top. Cardinals entering Phase three.

Speaker 4 (03:29):
Yes, katas have arrived, not quite as we record this,
but as it hits the airwaves soon enough the back
half of this week. It's funny the Cardinals only have
six OTAs this year. You can have up to ten.
They've almost always had ten, but it was decided by

(03:49):
the powers that be that they were only going to
have six. It was not a less plus the three
mini camp days.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
So there were ten in twenty twenty three, there were
ten in twenty twenty four, but only a half dozen
this year.

Speaker 4 (04:00):
Yes, I believe that's yes, Yes, usually there's another week
of four of them. Okay, but those that was just
cut out.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
Yeah, and players like Aaron Rodgers, so it doesn't matter
if there's six or ten or six hundred, he's not going.
So there's that.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
Wellham wouldn't have been at these anyways. This is a
Cardinal I.

Speaker 5 (04:18):
Am curious who is out there and who's not because
it is voluntary and in the past the Cardinals have
had very good attendance, which all starts with your franchise
quarterback who has shown up the last two years. So
that's always the first thing you keep an eye on,
because you it's great to see players out there, but
there's still only so much they can do. At OTA's
offense and defense are on the field together, but they're

(04:40):
not going head to head. You're not going to see
one on one matchups. So the first thing you're doing
is attendance. Who is out here and then who is
not out here?

Speaker 3 (04:49):
What's the old joke, ninety percent of success in life
is just showing up. So that's a start right there.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
At ten years, are just full of them in their
off season.

Speaker 4 (04:57):
Availability is just as important as his ability.

Speaker 5 (05:01):
I don't think that's the same.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
Well, that's one of them, may or may not be
an app segue into Sean Murphy bunty. Yeah, that's true
reportedly on the what is it.

Speaker 4 (05:13):
It's not even Yeah, it's and it's not reportedly, I
mean it's it was on the official NFL transactions list
that was released last week. He's on the non football
injury list. We don't really have any other details from that.
The team still hasn't done any official announcement, although again
with Ota starting, Jonathan Gannon will address the media on Wednesday,

(05:34):
and I don't know how many answers we're going to
get because usually JG is pretty tight lipped about that stuff,
but obviously impacts this cornerback room, which has a lot
of options and has one less, and maybe that in
the end helps some of the decision making.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
I guess, is there a more competitive position group on
this team right here, right now than cornerback?

Speaker 5 (05:58):
You could argue defensive line, but cornerback is the most
competitive if you're looking for a starting role. Defensive line
is stacked with veterans. So when you're looking at cornerback,
Sean Murphy Bunting was one of your starters, and then
last year it was Starling Thomas at the start of
the year. Max Melton, former second round pick, worked his
way in. So now that's an even bigger question mark.

(06:20):
That was already going to be a position room to
watch in training camp, especially after drafting Will Johnson in
the second round. Now, if you're not going to have
Murphy Bunting, who is going to be your other starting cornerback.
It's not a guarantee that it's just going to be
Thomas and Melton bringing Johnson into the mix. How are
they going to bring in denzil Burke the fifth round
pick this year. And then you've still got players like

(06:41):
Elijah Jones, a rookie last year who we didn't even
see take the field, only practiced a handful of times
dealing with an injury. There's a lot of question marks
in that position room and a lot of players who
have experience, albeit some mostly big time college games, that
could step up right away.

Speaker 4 (06:58):
Yeah. The first thing I think of with all that, Paul,
is that while there is going to be a competition
on the defensive line, like there is a cornerback you've got,
you have NFL things to point to for most of
the defensive linemen that they're competing, and there's not nearly
as much with those cornerbacks. I mean, there's going to

(07:19):
be healthy competition, but there's not a whole lot other
than Garrett Williams, and I guess Starling Thomas to an extent,
there's not a ton of, Hey, this guy has done
it for this long, he's got to be in the lineup.
So it's a lot more of a question mark to me.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
And even Starling Thomas, despite the fact he started nearly
two dozen games over the last two years. Two years
ago plus he was undrafted rookie free agent, So he's
far from a made man on this roster, or at
least in terms of the depth chart. And I agree
d line is really competitive, really stacked. You've broken camp

(07:53):
the last two years with a half dozen six defensive linemen.
There are at least eight guys right now you have
to believe are gonna stick and stay. You're not cutting
a Dante Stills or an LJ. Collier, right I wouldn't
think so so right now. So, but you use defensive
linemen and waves in a rotation. If you're a starting
corner you're gonna play the vast majority of the game,

(08:15):
if not the game in its entirety. So to me,
there's more at stake in a cornerback competition because the
starter plays and the backup sits for the most.

Speaker 5 (08:26):
Part, you're still looking for a number one cornerback on
this defense. The Cardinals had to use somewhat of a
rotation last year. Is that the goal? Is that what
they want to do the way they did with Thomas
and Meltain, or do they want to get to a
point where you gonna have your two cornerbacks out there
and that's ideally who you have. Maybe you have one
of those cornerbacks traveling with the team's number one receiver,

(08:47):
which is something we haven't seen. I don't classify Garrett
Williams as an option to see outside. He can play.
He's shown that he can do that, and that's something
he's talked about that he and the coaches have discussed
as an option. The fact that that we haven't seen
Williams play outside, paired with how good he has been
inside as the slot corner, I don't think that's the

(09:08):
move they're going to make, not having Murphy Bunting outside.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
How many defensive backs does this team keep nine?

Speaker 3 (09:19):
I was gonna say eight, but considering how loaded they are,
The thing is, if you're keeping more defensive linemen, where
you pulling that extra roster spot from, do you go
lighter at safety because you're so loaded at corner. Maybe
to Danny's point about Garrett Williams playing outside, I thought
there was much more of a possibility until this latest

(09:39):
Sean Murphy Bunting news because there are a lot of
people who think Sean Murphy Bunting was at his best
in his NFL career the couple of years he was
at Tampa as a Nickel that's where he really shine.
And so if you're thinking, okay, Garrett Williams two years
in the league, fully knock on wood recovered from the
knee injury, no longer a factor. We think he has
potential to grow and evolve outside, then to me, your

(10:02):
immediate answer inside and Nickel corner was SMB. Well, that's
no longer a possibility based on what we know right
here right now. So does that leave Garrett Williams inside?
Which is fine. He really excelled. I mean his PFF
ratings and all that were off the chart. That's gotten
a lot of publicity. You had to get another underrated
all time, you know, in the league ranking. We'll get
to that in a minute. But if you were to

(10:23):
go ahead and handicap your top three corners right here
right now, I mean, if you're Manias four and Jonathan
Gannon and you always have that depth chart you know
up in your office right what is it Friday nd lights.
They had the little names on magnets, right and they
put them around the depth chart there and they're going
to if you were to put those magnets into place
right now, Darren, how would you rate them?

Speaker 4 (10:43):
Okay? So it's funny you bring this up somebody. I've
had this question asked a couple of times in the
mail bag about Will Johnson should be an automatic starter
from day one because of what his talent is. And
my argument number one is, I mean he was a
second round pick, he wasn't a first round pick, and
and I mean he actually went three slots or four

(11:03):
slots lower than Max Melton did. So if we're saying
Will Johnson should be a starter than Max Mountain is.
But on the flip side of that, okay, you can
make the argument that if there weren't any of these
questions about the knee, he probably would have gone top twenty,
maybe top fifteen. Then all of a sudden, when you're
talking about a guy like that, he is a guy

(11:25):
that you may be pushing. I mean, is anybody going
to be surprised if they deploy when the season starts,
Max Melton and Will Johnson as you're starting outside cornerbacks
and Garrett Williams in the slot. I mean, I'm not
gonna be no.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
You know what's amazing is Red Sea report Danny about
a couple hours before we're here on Cardinals Underground. I mean, how.

Speaker 4 (11:45):
Bullish For a minute, there, I thought you were. That
was a new nickname, Red Sea Report, Danny.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
But go ahead, Well, you know, Craig Gril, like Aaron Rodgers,
not showing up for the off season program. So Danny
stepped in.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
Uh, Drew stan was he stepped up?

Speaker 3 (11:56):
Any? Yes, yes you did.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
Uh, It's okay.

Speaker 5 (12:00):
Craig's not listening. I told him to take his vacation. Seriously.

Speaker 4 (12:03):
He already sent me a text I mean of a
beer in London?

Speaker 3 (12:06):
Does grielou rhyme with Drew bledsoe just saying.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Where was I when.

Speaker 5 (12:14):
I did such a good job on Red Sea Report?
That's where you were?

Speaker 3 (12:17):
That's right?

Speaker 4 (12:20):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (12:20):
That? And then, uh, speaking of positives, how positive Drew
Stanton was? That was an all time self serving segue.
I've ever heard how positive Drew Stanton was on Will
Johnson right out of the gate. I mean, the moment
Paris Johnson Junior was drafted, he was a starting right tackle,
the moment Marvin Yerrison Jr. Was drafted, starting receiver wide

(12:42):
receiver one, Will Johnson And Darren's point, could he already
be that guy? Just based on his college resume? Drew Stanton,
former Michigan State quarterback, maybe future Sons head coach. The
way the Sons are targeting Michigan State people. I have
no idea, but if he is still watching the amount
of Big Ten football that I think he is, you
understand why he's so bullish on Will Johnson, especially with.

Speaker 5 (13:05):
The scheme fit. When you're looking at the numbers, Johnson
played zone very well at Michigan, and when you look
at the numbers for the Cardinals defense, they were primarily
in zone last year. So when you're looking at the
physical attributes of being tall, long arms, you're fit. That's
what this staff likes. You're talking about the scheme fit.

(13:25):
It makes sense why they would want to go with
Will Johnson and why they probably feel like he could
come in, maybe even not week one, but early on,
come in and maybe be a starter for them. And yes,
college experience is nearly not not nearly the same as
the pros, right, but when you're looking at the games
and the bright lights and how Will Johnson performed, that

(13:47):
still means something, and that's still something some experience he
can take in to these first couple of months getting
ready for his rookie year, and that not.

Speaker 4 (13:57):
To mention he's kind of burning to show everybody that
he's that guy anyways.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
Right, no doubt, no doubt, Yeah, he's He definitely has
that look in his eye. There's no doubt he is
beyond motivated. I thought Max Melton had a really strong
two or three game finished to last year. I thought
he played really well Week seventeen at the Rams. How
much is it? I mean, there's got to be urgency
with Max Melton, even though you're a high second round pick.
Look at how low to that room is that bringing

(14:23):
Denzel Burke, who started fifty plus games at Ohio State,
Starling Thomas, so, Elijah Jones, Elisha Jones.

Speaker 5 (14:31):
You still have Kee tro Clark, Darren Hall in that room.
It's a full room. And if you're talking about you're
going to find your place on special teams, that's not
necessarily a guarantee either, when you look at how full
that room is and filled with players who have proven
they can make a difference on special teams.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
In fact, we brought this up as well in Red
Sea Report, was the fact that Josh Sweat was part
of an Eagles defense that boasted the number one pass
defense in the league. Why not necessarily because of a
secondary that featured two rookies, although they were talented. But
how about that front seven? So if the Cardinals front

(15:08):
seven is that much better, how much better is this
secondary this year? And let's face it, there were a
couple of metrics last season that screamed for improvement, like
the Cardinals were twenty ninth as a defense and completion percentage,
so there were stretches where quarterbacks were able to have
time to get the ball out and had success finding
receivers completing passes at a pretty high rate. But speaking

(15:32):
of Garrett Williams, there was once again yet another who's
the most underrated player on each team? And Garrett Williams
was once again that selection for the Cardinals.

Speaker 5 (15:41):
Right a couple of articles, don't look my way, I'm
the only one. When we did our end of year awards,
I picked him as my MVP. You're making a face, Darren,
I picked him as my MVP.

Speaker 4 (15:52):
How many flowers do you need? Danny exactly to be able.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
To sustains, just one light of the lamp will do,
Danny says, she wants to light the lamp on our
own behalf.

Speaker 5 (16:00):
By the way, if I could reach I would do it.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
On my own.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
I mean, it's list season, all right. Here's a quick
recap of some of the lists we've been last two weeks.
Top ten breakout candidates entering year two. Number three Marvin
Harrison Junior behind Drake Man Caleb Williams. Top eight Bandwagons
to jump on Cardinals number three behind New England in Chicago.
Six offseason champions NFL dot Com Cardinals one of the six.

(16:26):
The others were Chicago, New England, Minnesota, the Rams in
Washington looks like they stole my Rex Ryan Award. Sixteen
Day three picks who could compete to start Number three
Cody Simon. There were one hundred. I remember this because
we just interviewed Cody Simon last week in the Big
Red Rage. Last year, there were one hundred and fifty
seven Day three picks. Eleven started eight or more games.

(16:51):
If you had to pick whether Cody Simon is one
of those players this year, what would you say?

Speaker 5 (16:57):
Very likely? And that's not even that's a combination of
skill set and then looking at the room where things
stand right now. If you're looking for competition for a
starting middle linebacker, it's your rookie Cody Simon and a
Keen Davis Gather who the Cardinals brought in this offseason.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
That that is.

Speaker 5 (17:13):
Seemingly who's going to be competing for your middle linebacker
and likely wearing the green dot and calling this defense.
It was one year and that's what Simon did for
Ohio State last year when they added it into college football,
is having that speaker in his helmet so that that's
another room to watch of. It's a different kind of
competition than defensive line and cornerbacks. As we've been talking,
that's an important role you have to fill. Can a

(17:35):
rookie do it? It's a big it's a big ask.

Speaker 4 (17:38):
It's all going to change when they signed Daryl Washington. No, no,
I'm kidding. I'm kidding them all.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
You know. Wolf brought that up. Actually the Daryl Washington. Yeah, see,
Bron and I might. By the way, my comment was, well,
please please Darren hears about it at least monthly in
the mailbag to this day. Please. There was another list
ten perfect team fits, number four Will Johnson into the Cardinals.
There you go. But in terms of under appreciated players,
let's go ahead and let's look past Garrett Williams. If

(18:08):
he's number one on the list. Give me two, three,
and four. Give me the next three most underappreciated players
on the Arizona Cardinals.

Speaker 5 (18:16):
Not having time to thought this through, the first in
that comes to my mind as center yell.

Speaker 4 (18:19):
To Roholts, exactly if you're.

Speaker 5 (18:22):
Gonna if I'm gonna hear underappreciated. My mind first goes
to the offensive line, which doesn't have a lot of stats,
although they are supposedly adding a new league award. What
is it going to be called for? All the protect
the Protector of the Year, and any it else. That
all flows through your center. And we've seen over the
years when you don't have the smarts, when you don't

(18:42):
have the communication, we don't have the skill set and
that chemistry with your quarterback, things can go sideways very fast.
Helving having that consistency and somebody that plays to the
level that Froholt does that that's where really everything starts
with this offense. Because there's two players who touched the
ball every snap, your center and your quarterback.

Speaker 4 (19:03):
I would I would say somebody that comes to mind,
and it's not going to be super popular necessarily, but
I'm going by how the coaches kind of react to it.
I think Zavi and Collins is a little bit underappreciated.
Now again, I'm not saying underrated as much as underappreciated,
but I mean they like what he brings to the
table for them.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
It's true. They really value is versatility. Yes, no, I
agree with that.

Speaker 5 (19:27):
And you know who else I'd have to go with
someone on special teams the amount of times last year
we were talking about Greg Dortch or Joey Blunt making
an incredible play on special teams. Right, you had DJ
Dallas with that touchdown on their return. Right, there was
there a handful two of special teamers last year who

(19:47):
were still in this roster who made an impact.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
I'll go I'll go with the kicking game. I'll go
with both both Blake Gillikin and Chad Ryland.

Speaker 4 (19:55):
I think that's fair. I can't believe you're leaving Aaron
Brewer out of.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
This, but whatever, And yeah, Brewer's been there and done that.
Come on, and you know the last name I'll throw
out there, Maybe this is more underrated than underappreciated. I'll
go Josh Sweat. And I know everyone was like, holy
Cripte Calvc. He was the big fish and free agency. Well,
he led the Eagles last year with eight sacks. Eight

(20:21):
So I mean, what is he capable of now that
you take him off that loaded defensive line and you
you know, how many more snaps does he get? How
much more of a featured role does he get? To
what degree does Jonathan Gannon used Josh Sweat exactly how
Vic Fangio used him in the Super Bowl, which was
just go get him, unleash him, just go forward and

(20:43):
get after the quarterback. How many times did Josh Sweat say,
That's exactly where he loves to be used. That's where
he's at his best. That's what Jonathan Gannon did back
in twenty one and twenty two when he had the
eleven sax season.

Speaker 5 (20:54):
You can't do that if you don't have a defensive
line make a room for him, right that that is
obviously the goal, and that's something that is going to
be interesting to see of have the Cardinals stacked up
their They're front seven enough to where you don't have
to rush as many, right and those that are rushing
have a clear lane because of what you've got up

(21:14):
in front of them.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
All right, Speaking of the Eagles, is that our segued
tod the Toushbush to anybody feel the need to say
anything about the Toushbush that has not been said yet.
It's going to be around at least one more season. Darren,
You're inconspicuously quiet.

Speaker 4 (21:28):
I've said what I've needed to say. I it doesn't
break my heart that it's still around, but I wouldn't.
It wouldn't have broke my heart if they would have said, no,
I don't. I'll go back to I'm once I started
realizing of that. They took out the rule about being
able to push and pull players period in two thousand
and five. I never I don't understand that. But if

(21:49):
it's if that's the if they took that out, then
then this should be allowed.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
I will say. The way the Eagles are flexing the wind,
you know, and leaning into it and social media and
you know, provoking everyone and the whole deal. Uh, they
are truly increasing the dislike factor, the disdain factor.

Speaker 4 (22:08):
So we were going to do that in winning behavior?

Speaker 3 (22:09):
Oh we were, Yeah, how much we disliked the Eagles?

Speaker 4 (22:12):
Well, that would be a non winning move in my part.
I see my thought process.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
Okay, you're right, I'm seeing it right.

Speaker 5 (22:18):
Here and bring it down. Paul, you know, just re
read what are your motivational quotes?

Speaker 2 (22:22):
Walk back in.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
I'm sort of like Brett Favre. I didn't even look
at the game plan over here. Did you see that
Brett Favre documentary they just put on?

Speaker 5 (22:28):
Watch it?

Speaker 4 (22:28):
Okay? I have a quick quick sidebar in that I
have not seen it, but I was talking to somebody
I know who said she watched it and she does
not watch sports at all, but she watched that. She's like,
He's not a very good person, is he.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
I'm like, no, yeah, you know what, Let's let's get cultured.
Let's toss it to Danny. Here we go, h Danny
will segue.

Speaker 5 (22:53):
To you getting cultured. With Danny. It is not just
directed at Paul.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
Am I the DePaul uncultured philistine around here.

Speaker 4 (23:00):
Yes, you got me very excited. Now.

Speaker 5 (23:02):
I am on social media and consume more at pop
culture than both of you combined.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
I think I'm being unfairly profiled. But go ahead, let's go.

Speaker 5 (23:11):
We're starting off getting cultured with a bit of an
editor's note. Something that was brought up in last week's episode,
and it's something that the three of us talked about
a little off air, and then in the following days
I actually received a message from one of our avid listeners,
So shout out to Malcolm, thank you for reaching out,

(23:31):
Thank you for listening every week. And Paul said something
last week and he was talking about how something is slap,
and I do want to defend myself that I did
not correct him in the moment on air because you
were you thought you were quoting Adrian Wilson from Big
Red Rage. However you weren't. The term you were looking

(23:51):
for is it slaps, which is honestly, the point of
getting cultured is getting you cultured in that. So just
wanted to make sure you were aware of how to
use that lingua. You were so close, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
I was. I was close.

Speaker 4 (24:04):
I gotta say though, they was. They put the the
Big Red Rage clip of Adrian out there, of him
saying that he did say slap.

Speaker 5 (24:12):
Okay, maybe we need to make sure Adriane is getting
cultured as well.

Speaker 4 (24:15):
We'll let you do that, Danny May.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
I present my defense attorney, Darren Irvan. That's my back squire.
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (24:22):
This I did, I saw it, but I didn't get
a lot of attention which I thought was interesting. Have
the two of you heard about the Enhanced Games?

Speaker 3 (24:30):
No, no, no, I'm scared a list.

Speaker 4 (24:33):
Is this a problem? If it happens for four more hours,
you have to go see a doctor.

Speaker 5 (24:37):
Okay, it's an Olympic style event.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
Darren looked Darren that looks said like the lamp on
my behalf.

Speaker 5 (24:45):
This is a family show. Okay. The Enhanced Games an
Olympic style event that encourages peds, steroids, and growth hormones.
It's happening next Memorial Day weekend in Las Vegas and
they are hoping to infuse unprecedented levels of science, money,
and performance enhancing drugs.

Speaker 4 (25:07):
Okay, this is a complete ripoff of Sorry Night Live. Yes,
if you go back, Paul and I know that the deal.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
It was one of those was a Dana Carvey I
can't remember, and Kevin Nealon Yeah, might have been. And
Kevin Neil was a loudmouthednnounced. It's the All Legal Steroid
Games something like that.

Speaker 4 (25:24):
Powerlifter goes to thelifter and the arms rip off.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
Yes. I was gonna say, should we spoil the moment,
but Darren just did so. Yes, the guy goes to
deadlift like three thousand pounds and instead his arms rip off.

Speaker 4 (25:36):
That's that's classic though, that we're gonna go have that
in real life, because why wouldn't we?

Speaker 5 (25:41):
That is reality now.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
And the last notice, By the way, Dane.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
Do you have any hgh on you?

Speaker 2 (25:45):
By the way, I'm sorry again a family show.

Speaker 5 (25:48):
The AMA denial the American Music Awards was a pretty
big flop. Number one, they didn't have a lot of
actual artists there. This happened Monday night. And number two,
it was shown from people in the audience supposedly live
performances I say with air quotes, were actually pre taped.
There was a moment that two different artists were shown

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on TVs if they were performing live, and then the
view from the person in the audience was showing a
dark stage. They had essentially filmed, pre recorded a performance
and had people in the audience and had the camera angles.
Pretty big flop.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
Use you can't believe.

Speaker 5 (26:28):
I can't believe live TV anymore.

Speaker 4 (26:30):
What happened to those fine awards? Nobody cares anymore, I
guess not.

Speaker 3 (26:36):
One of the political conventions, Kid Rock was way off
with the lip syncing, way.

Speaker 5 (26:41):
Off, like actually since then, back in the day.

Speaker 4 (26:44):
One of the political conventions where political.

Speaker 5 (26:47):
Well you both have been culture now you're welcome, all right. Oh,
it slaps, Paul, it slaps.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
What's what's real? Heinous? Truly is heinous? I think I
misquoted him on several platforms. It wasn't just one instance either. So, uh,
there's a reason the light isn't on right now.

Speaker 4 (27:12):
Let's just put that that waynext, including Adrian's one.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
All right, speaking to young guys in the eighteen to
thirty four demo Darius Robinson? Is he getting enough attention
this offseason? Should there be I don't know. Should there
be more headlines and Asycardinals dot com? So there would
be more written about Darius Robinson and his impact? You
know it. Should there be a story like on last

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year's first round pick and what sort of leap he
can make in year two?

Speaker 5 (27:41):
I mean, yeah, put Zach Gershman on it.

Speaker 4 (27:44):
Get to I have to jump on that one sooner
rather than later. As OTAs began, I will say, it
is funny with everything we've talked about, and I know
we've talked about Darius, but the guy was a first
round pick.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
I mean, he was a wrecking ball in camp.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
I mean is he any less important than what Walter
Nolan is going to do?

Speaker 3 (28:07):
Agreed, good point, you're right, but when you get injured.

Speaker 5 (28:11):
And no, no, no, you don't just get to turn
the light on by yourself because you think you want
to go. You can't see that figured out.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
Back there sign of a biscuit. Uh, you know you're not.
You're not in the in the headlines. You're not front burner.
You're back burner now when you're coming off injury. And
the end of the season definitely didn't look put it
this way, December and January didn't look anything like the
impact he was making in August, which is the rub.

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August is most definitely not December or January. So there's
still a huge question mark. As big as he is,
as talented, as bullish as people are about his potential
in his future, there wasn't much proven in his rookie year.

Speaker 5 (28:57):
Where is he starting on the depth chart? If we're
I'm going to go into this and say, okay, in
this scenario, Justin Jones and Malal Nichols are both healthy,
returned from injury, They're good to go. You have Kalais Campbell,
you have Dalvin Thomlinson, LJ. Collier, Dante Stills. Where is
Darius Robinson even starting on the depth chart, because not
only does he have to go out and perform, now

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you have to work your way up and you have
to earn a spot. That's another crowded room.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
I'd say the only automatic starter right here, right now
in the D line is Dalvin Tomlinson. The other two
D line spots to bed tournament. Now. Kalays Campbell has
started all seventeen games in each of the last two years.
He's obviously most definitely in the mix. That's where my
mind goes to next. And then after that, I mean
a Justin Jones, and then you would have to go

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with the two first rounders the last two years, Walter
Nolan the third and Darius Robinson. I would think, and.

Speaker 5 (29:50):
It's not you have to start or bust for Robinson
that that's not the point I'm making. It's just you
you still have a lot to prove. And he knows
that he felt that that he all, he had six
games under his belt by the time last season ended,
and that's barely enough to really scratch the surface. Because
the first six games of the regular season, that's usually
when you start to see rookies, the game slows down,

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you can really see their natural ability and what their
understanding kind of help him take off of it. And
he didn't have that opportunity.

Speaker 4 (30:18):
Okay, so here's my question, and I'm not asking who
should I'm asking who will make the greater impact, Darius
Robinson or b Jojlari.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
Darius Robinson.

Speaker 5 (30:36):
That's my gut as well. And I for when I'm
thinking about why it wouldn't be jo Jelari, I just
think of Josh Sweat, and I think that's just going
to be so much of where your power is going
to come from. And Ojelari's another player where there's a
lot of question marks. Looked good throughout camp before he
hurt his knee and then was out for the rest
of the year. And and this, if I'm remember correctly,

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would be his first true offseason because he had been
heard and so there's just again I'm not even one.

Speaker 4 (31:03):
Hundred percent sure he's getting a true true offseason.

Speaker 5 (31:06):
I don't know, we don't know where he is in
his rehab. So that I would go with Darius Robinson
just from even the health standpoint of what he's been
able to do until this point in the offseason.

Speaker 4 (31:16):
It'll be fascinating to see what both of those guys
do during OTAs from what we're allowed to report on.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
I mean, for all the question marks right now, best
case and I mean best case scenario like the lamp
if bj Ojulari comes back with a vengeance, if Darius
Robinson is that dude in year two, think of the potential,
Think of the possibilities for this defense. I mean, just
how different it could look.

Speaker 4 (31:41):
We're talking about a first round pick and a second
round pick. I mean, we're not talking about like back
of the draft guys.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
So that that's really intriguing.

Speaker 5 (31:51):
In terms of okay, what do you have Is there
a position room more so than outside linebackers that has
question mark of where you're starting and where you think
expectations could be. Because Josh sweat, okay, you know what
you have in him? O Julari a lot of question
marks coming off injury. We don't even know if he's

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fully healthy to be a full participant yet for OTAs
at this point.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
What do you have from Xavier resigned?

Speaker 3 (32:20):
Baron Browning? Right, but what are you pretty strong finish?
When he got reps at the end didn't.

Speaker 5 (32:24):
Have a full year here in Arizona. What do you
have in Xavier Thomas coming off year one? What do
you have in the rookie Jordan Birch. What are you
going to do with Xavi and Collins and how you're
going to use him with these new pieces you've brought in,
not only in that position room, but also in the
defensive line and how that trickles down. There's a lot
of question marks of what you can expect from a
room as a whole, in that outside linebacker's room.

Speaker 3 (32:45):
See when you list all those names, I just think
of the compete level in camp. Sure, this camp, to me,
especially on the defensive side, isn't going to be all
just stay healthy, just go ahead and skate your way through,
make sure you get to week one. No, there are
jobs to be won, there are roster spots to be had,

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there's playing time to be decided. I just think the
compete level on the defensive side of the ball, at
least for corner, for d line, for edge, and then
who exactly is your middle linebacker? I mean there's some true,
authentic position battles that you're gonna see in camp this year.
And for that reason. I just think, combined also with

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the strength of schedule coming out, I just think the
Cardinals come out of camp flying high, playing really good ball.
I think there's a really good start to the season
just based on how intense it's going to be in camp.
And I do think that's going to carry over. You know,
we've coined that saying the last couple of years sort
of half seriously half true that September is in New August.
You sort of ease your way into a season these days. No,

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not the case for the Cardinals on the defensive side
of the ball, or I think they're gonna be regular
season ready just based on how intense is going to
be in August, especially when you're.

Speaker 5 (33:56):
Looking at the first half of the season. Get bear
to the second half in terms of teams made the
playoffs last year, in consistency there and some of the
key pieces you're going to be going up against. You
start the season back to back weeks against teams who
had five wins last year in the Saints and the Panthers, right,
and then you're facing up to four new quarterbacks possibly
early in the season in New Orleans, in Tennessee, in Seattle,

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and possibly Indianapolis depending on what the Colts society to
do with Anthony Richards, and they brought in Daniel Jones,
so the opportunity to take advantage of a fast start
is imperative for the Cardinals.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
Speaking a list, going back to list one last time,
does anybody really care anymore where they put Kyler Murray
and some of these quarterback lists? I mean, when you ring.

Speaker 4 (34:46):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (34:46):
I mean, if you want to make a list of things,
I don't care about a who the Sons hire as
their next head coach.

Speaker 4 (34:51):
Yeah, that's a good one.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
Because I mean it doesn't matter at this point. It
just doesn't matter. And then number two would be where
they're going to rate Kyler Murray. Whether he's going to
be tenth, eleventh, seventeenth, what doesn't matter. He's going into
year seven. It's only about the wins and losses. To me,
I truly, I don't care about his quarterback rating. I
don't care about any of the stats. To me, it's

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just all about the win loss records.

Speaker 4 (35:16):
I've often said Paul is just about winning. It's it's
really nothing else.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
There's someone who gets way too involved in the stats,
and so, okay, you want to stat there. Tough guy
turned this off for the man. Did you see the
one stat that of Marvin Harrison Juniors one hundred and
sixteen targets and he only had sixty two catches on
one hundred and sixteen targets. We could argue there's one
area you want to see Marvin Harrison Junior get better.

(35:41):
It's got to be the catch to target ratio be
more efficient. But someone came out an analytics site and
rated forty five of those targets were uncatchable. Rated deemed
determined to be uncatchable. So when Kyler Murray talks about chemistry,
it's got to be better. We expect it to be better.

(36:03):
It will be better. I'm guessing that's that is true
evidence as to why it needs to get better.

Speaker 4 (36:10):
I would love to know, because they do give targets
out and like intend in receivers on certain plays where
you're throwing it away.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
And by the way, it was Pro Football Focus have
it right here. Okay, forty five on catchable targets.

Speaker 4 (36:23):
So you know, I don't think all of those were
like intended to be completed, let's put it that way.
But I mean, I think that's that's why I agree
with you number one, with Kyler like it's it's about
it's about the results. You don't want to get caught
up in QB wins with a Z when it comes

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to like win loss record with a quarterback, because it's
such a team sport. But they need to win and
that's what he's going to be measured on, you know,
regardless of the rest of it. But when you get
inside those numbers, you would think that he's going to
have to have a much better consistent relationship on the

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field with Marvin Harrison for them to be able to
get those wins. Right.

Speaker 5 (37:09):
Absolutely, the passing game was not consistent enough to where
it needed to be. And that's on more than just
the two of them, but absolutely, when you're the franchise
quarterback and you're the number one receiver, you have to
be on the same page. You need your number one
receiver to consistently be that number one threat every single game.
And it wasn't until the final two games of the
regular season that Harrison had back to back games with

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fifty or more receiving yards. You need to be better
in that aspect, especially when you are as consistent in
the run game as you are. The more balanced you
can be, not in terms of how many run plays
versus how many pass plays, but the more balanced you
can be for consistency and the threat value. There is
imperative for this jump from year two to year three
with this coaching staff.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
You know, it was interesting Kyler. I didn't realize this.
You guys might have seen this. It was mid April.
Kyler was doing the media rounds getting ready for a
softball game. He talked to Arizona Sports and he told
I believe it was Tyler Drake. He said, you know,
for Marvin Harrison Junior to have eight touchdowns and feel
like he didn't even scratch the surface, that's saying something.
Obviously me and him have to be better and will

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be better. But I loved where he was mentally at
the end of the season. And then he cited just
comfort factor in the locker room with better and so forth.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
But Marvin Harrison.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
Junior hinted and talking to the media here recently about
how you know, the chemistry needs to be where there's
one hundred percent connection when you're throwing routes on air,
you have to be in sync with your quarterback like that.
So of the forty five uncatchable targets, I wonder how
many of those were on Marvin not being in the
right spot at the right time.

Speaker 4 (38:40):
That's a fat question.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
The way defense's disguise coverages these days, it's much more advanced,
it's much more in depth. And he sort of danced
around that a little bit with the media just being
you know, if I can be in the right spot
and read, you know, instead of just a route being called,
but I need to maybe change her out or adjusted
according to the coverage. That's where I can be better
in year two. And I'm sure that was a huge

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learning curve, you know, right from the get go. So
to me, that's all correctable, and that's the kind of
thing you can learn. And so next year we'll see,
you know, Brian Thomas junior and Elikue Neighbors and Brock
Bauers and Land McConkie all had more rookie receiving yards
than Marvin Harrison Junior. We'll see about year number two.

Speaker 4 (39:22):
I don't you know. And again with Trey McBride there
and the way I think this offense is going to
want to run through the run game, I'm still not
sold that all of a sudden, Marvin Harrison is going
to is going to have the numbers that blow you away,
even if he becomes really really good. Now he might
his touchdown numbers might be really good, but if he

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has eleven hundred yards, I think he could have eleven
hundred yards and still be spectacular.

Speaker 5 (39:49):
It's beyond the stats, though, and that's something we talked
about when it came to Trey McBride last year, who
finished with two receiving touchdowns. Right, is the eye test.
It's more than the numbers. It's more than the number.
With Harrison as well, think of the games where he
was so active in the game plan in the first
quarter and then didn't have a target until late in
the fourth. That's something too, is when I think consistency,

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it's all of it. It's all encompassing of how you're
using your number one receiver.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
So, Darren, are you saying for all the speculation the
Cardinals would even draft a receiver in round one, remember
all those mock drafts or round two? So the fact
in this past year, yeah, this past offseason.

Speaker 4 (40:28):
Yeah, a month ago, a month ago, the fact.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
That Cardinals have not added a notable receiver either with
a draft pick or in free agency. Is that because
a they're a run first offense, or B they think
Marvin Harrison Junior is going to take that leap and
actually check that box.

Speaker 4 (40:44):
Oh, I think it's or bold. I think all of
the above. And I'm also throwing in there that there's
nobody out there that really they think is going to
be making a difference over the guys they already have
on the roster. I think when you add all those
things in, I think that's that's a part of it.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
Yeah, all right, well, I guess that could be called
winning behavior. So with that in mind, uh, the aforementioned
time to discuss, discuss all the above. Can you display
winning behavior?

Speaker 5 (41:13):
You have to consistently display winning behavior.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
That's winning behavior.

Speaker 5 (41:18):
You've got to define what winning behavior is and hold
people to that standard.

Speaker 4 (41:22):
Yes, I have to bring up real quick that fine
wolf noise whatever the heck you did it there at
the end. Had a question in the mailbag this year
this week, was really hoping we had video of him
making that noise.

Speaker 5 (41:37):
I would not want to see the radio.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
Call from the game, but so sorry about as someone
who has witnessed that more than once.

Speaker 4 (41:45):
Yeah, he's done that more than once.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
You're you're better off, You're you're better off. Just uh yeah,
having audio only put it.

Speaker 4 (41:50):
That way, that's disturbing.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
Wolf actually beat me to vacation. That's never happened before.
So okay, uh, let's see here. We were talking about
the Eagles earlier. Yeah, and so okay, you guys, what
is it about the whole social media campaign you think
that is rankling everyone?

Speaker 4 (42:09):
Well, I'm gonna go back to where you were going
with it, and I didn't mean to cut you off earlier. Pon,
Feel free to rant away, but I'm with you. I
don't think it's real. I think it's They won the
tush push battle for now and again that was something
that else got twisted. It was a twenty two to
ten vote, but it wasn't a twenty two to ten
vote to keep the tush push. It was twenty two

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to ten to get rid of it. But they needed
twenty four votes so they were short two votes.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
So they only had ten votes.

Speaker 4 (42:36):
To kill me. Only ten, but that's all they needed
for them to lean into it the way they did,
like you said on social media, in particular for me,
the twenty six minute YouTube video of all tush pushes.
Would I would get kind of irritated if I was
one of the teams.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
You know what, just because you can go into your
computer editor and search tush push and then just go
ahead and throw all those together and one big montage
doesn't mean you should do it. Okay, just because technology
makes it easy for you to edit that together doesn't
mean you should push it out there.

Speaker 5 (43:07):
I'm gonna go with winning behavior. They are the winning team.
Tush Push was a big part in that because they
were the most successful at it. That's why the argument became,
are people really against the tush push or are they
just against the fact that one team dominates it more
than any other team does. So, you know what, if
it's going to become an argument of one versus thirty
one and you happen to quote unquote win that argument,

(43:30):
I am all for having a little fun on social
media considering the fact they won the Super Bowl so
this offseason, I feel like anything goes when that's the case.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
I'm just saying they're Q rating is plumbting. I mean,
in real time. Did you see the headline at NFL
dot com last week? And I quote Saquon Barkley says
twenty twenty four Eagles are a top five team in
NFL history. No, they're really feeling themselves, smelling themselves. As
dj Hlmprees used to say in the offseason.

Speaker 4 (43:59):
Again, I'm with Danny to the point where to the
victor go the spoils, which is fine, but.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
I don't know what else do we have on here? Okay,
this one, you're I mean, I need help at all times,
but especially in this case. State Farm Stadium again voted
number one.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
What we talked about.

Speaker 4 (44:17):
This last last year, I got the although you must
did you get the press releases? Where did you? No?

Speaker 5 (44:22):
I didn't. I just saw it online. You got a
press release about that last year?

Speaker 4 (44:25):
I did?

Speaker 5 (44:25):
Oh no, So it came up last year. There's a
company called flash Picks, and I don't know what sparked
the initial desire to find an answer to this question
about the zombies. So for the second year, State Farm
Stadium was once again voted the number one stadium to
survive a zombie apocalypse when taking into account location, population,

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stadium security features, and weather.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
I e.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
The retractable roof, which is.

Speaker 4 (44:57):
The retractable roof? I love that part is so what
we can keep them out if we close the roof
the zombies or think so the zombies, Like if you're
in there and you need a little bit of sun
but they can't climb up the walls of the stadium,
you could still get a little sunlight in your world.

Speaker 5 (45:13):
Yeah, survivors somehow get all the zombies inside the stadium
and then close the roof.

Speaker 4 (45:18):
That's a lot of ian's taking a risk.

Speaker 3 (45:21):
I view it is okay, yes we're inside, but more importantly,
the zombies are outside in an Arizona summer. So if
it's about seventeen. But you know, zombies can survive a
lot of stuff, but can they survive one seventeen out
on the hot pavement.

Speaker 5 (45:34):
I don't know the answer to that.

Speaker 4 (45:36):
You can only you can only open the retractable roof
if it's seventy five degrees or less. Though, that's right, whatever.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
I still can't believe I got rained on on the
sideline two years ago. Applebee's don't do it, do not
do it, don't do it, don't pull a red lobster.
It's back for a limited time, So this is interesting.
Unlimited is back for a limited time for fifteen ninety
nine it's all you can eat riblets, double crunch shrimp,

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and chicken tenders, I.

Speaker 5 (46:08):
Said the next Red Lobster mother, Dell.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
Yeah, our leader for many weeks, many weeks in the
power pool of incompetence, was the executive for Red Lobster
who went with all you can eat shrimp and literally
bankrupted the company.

Speaker 5 (46:22):
I look, I've only eaten out of Applebee's once in
my life, and I cannot say that I was impressed
by my meal and any facet. But it just sounds
a riblet. How does that sound appealing? And why would
you want an unlimited amount of that?

Speaker 3 (46:38):
Come on, Danny, don't don't act like you didn't have
a mic rib back in the day.

Speaker 5 (46:41):
Come on, no, oh, come on, I'm not a big
McDonald's eater.

Speaker 4 (46:46):
What if you just have a single crunch shrimp.

Speaker 5 (46:50):
Done double yeah, So keep that, keep that in your
back pocket. Paul, were enough to even onund Applebee's and
how you're doing financially.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
It's a cold war of crust. If I'm an Applebee's competitor,
I'm going with a triple crunt shrimp. That's what's coming
out next.

Speaker 4 (47:07):
Possibly not if you get enough deep fried coding on it, there.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
Might not be Yeah, that's right, okay, Darren, you put
you can't help, but put a basketball one in here.

Speaker 4 (47:18):
It's the basketball player. So I thought this was a
fair go ahead, right, But we have to figure out
is this winning behavior that's not winning behavior? Where Tyrese
Haliburton's dad who famously was banned from being at games
because he was sitting sideline and couldn't keep his UH
personage off the court and taunt Jannis after a loss,

(47:40):
after a Bucks loss, and so he got banned. He
is now allowed back in only at Pacer home games. Uh,
and he's got to be up in a suite camp
be on the sideline.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
So it's a dad time out. You just go up
to the suite.

Speaker 4 (47:53):
So I'm gonna go with winning behavior for the Pacers.
That's probably that was probably out right time, but absolutely
non winning behavior from him doing that in the first place.
And it's embarrassing that anybody would ever do it, much
less a person that actually raised a child is not embarrassing.

Speaker 5 (48:11):
That headlines is like, hey, my dad's not allowed to
come to the basketball game, and then headlines, hey my
dad's allowed back.

Speaker 4 (48:18):
I'm gonna say this too. I think it's absolutely non
winning behavior that this has been treated like he was
unlawfully detained by Russia and is now getting let out
of prison. Like the dude totally deserved probably more than
he got punishment. Let's not celebrate him.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
He's lucky. Yannis is one of the nicest people on
the planet. I'm with you there, because that could have
got ugly, and yeah, he could have got body slammed
right out there on the hardwood. Here's a bonus one.
I saw this headline a little earlier. Here's the actual
headline in the Wall Street Journal. You ready a surprising
reason why shoppers refrain from buying healthy foods. Triguing headline

(48:59):
right makes you want to click. The healthier the food,
the faster it goes bad, or so people think. So
Americans are less apt to buy healthy food versus unhealthy
food because they think it's more apt to go bad,
which could be a wasted expenditure, as if carrots and

(49:20):
apples and raisins and I don't know, granola and broccoli
and spinach and kale and whatever else quemoa all don't
have pretty good shelf lives. Come on, now, people don't
don't use it as an excuse for not eating healthy.

Speaker 5 (49:32):
You're telling me you've never purchased a bag of spinach,
and then it's gone bad before you even opened it.

Speaker 4 (49:38):
Oh, okay, okay, but I'm gonna throw the other part
out there is the reason you didn't open it is
because you had no interest in eating. Yes, so yeah,
it's gonna go bad after three weeks. You bought the
damn thing, and then every time you saw it and
there you're.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
Like, you bought the spinach and you bought the cookies.
Which one got opened? First?

Speaker 5 (49:56):
You were motivated at the grocery store, and then you
got home and when it it's time to make a
meal or have a snack.

Speaker 4 (50:01):
You had the Halapanio popper.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
Doritos were those double or triple crunch the poppers. Uh.
By the way, I'm gonna throw in a couple of
powerpole of incompetence, a couple of quick entries. Both come
from the Indy five hundred Fox and its maiden voyage
on the broadcast, and they got lamb based for inserting
more commercials than a Super Bowl and they did get

(50:23):
I ratings. They missed the winner crossing the finish line.
How at the very moment where the checkered was going
to be flying and the winners crossing the you know
the bricks there, they cut to an inconsequential crash at
the back of the pack. So it was an ignominious end,

(50:44):
just like it was an embarrassing start for mister Scott McLoughlin.
Did you see what Scott McLoughlin did. The driver at
the very beginning said it was the worst moment of
his life when he crashed on the parade lap. They
hadn't happened, They hadn't even started racing yet, the going
probably half speed, and way back in the day when
I actually covered Indy five hundred as a young punk,

(51:07):
and my photographer said, when you interview Roberto Guerrero, I
dare you to ask him about crashing on the parade
lap the year before, and he bet me lunch. I
went and asked him. Oh, I asked Roberto Guerrero about that,
and I got an all time quote about, yeah, it's
freaking embarrassing, and and he went off and he gave
you a good quote, though no he owned it. He
I talked about how embarrassing it was for him. In

(51:28):
nineteen ninety something to crash on the parade lap and
I never thought i'd see that again in my life,
and then it happened on Sunday, the one hundred ninth
running to the Indy five hundred.

Speaker 4 (51:38):
So winning behavior, but yeah, when you crash it automatically
not winning basically.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
So there you go. Winning behavior would be international games.
And I see that down here? Did you see Did
we bring this up? The NFL executive in charge of
TV and content, speaking to ratings mentioned how well those
international games do in the early early slot. Yeah, on

(52:04):
the East Coast, we talked about that, right.

Speaker 4 (52:05):
Well, I don't think we talked about how well they do.
But it's you know, I've often thought this for those
of us in the West Coast who get to wake
up essentially with football, like that's something the East Coast
people never get to do.

Speaker 3 (52:18):
And they love it when they get When you're on
the East Coast and you get to have football at
nine to ten in the mornings, they love it just
like we love it on the West Coast. Yes, so,
of course, So if the international game is sixteen seventeen
games a year and the East Coast wakes up to that,
and then you have what is the ten am kickoff

(52:38):
our time? And the one o'clock kickoff our time, and
then the Sunday night games, and all of a sudden,
there's four TV slots every single Sunday. I mean, is
there any doubt that's where the NFL is aiming this thing? Me?

Speaker 4 (52:51):
I'll make it. I went to I mean, it's been
a decade now. I went to some league meetings and
we were having some it was it was for content
people for all the teams, and we were having this
meeting and I was at some cocktail reception. I started
talking to somebody from the league and back then they

(53:12):
were talking about, Yeah, our goal is to eventually get
every team playing an international game every year, and that's
become clear as we go forward, and I think Roger
Goodell actually said it the other day that that's what
they hoped to get to.

Speaker 5 (53:25):
We're not far from an eighteen game season with two
by weeks and an international game guaranteed every year. There
was a question your mail bag which made me laugh
of someone. Yeah, someone had asked if I was so
sad or maybe upset. It's how it came off that
the Cardinals did not get the Germany game against the Colts.
If that was because of a personal reason or the team,

(53:49):
it's one hundred percent personal. Why would I not want
an opportunity to go across the country, across the world
to Germany. It was one hundred percent personal. If it's
up to the players or coaches, I don't know how
many of them, minus maybe a young player who hasn't
had that experience, I don't know how many of them
would say I am absolutely pro having an international game
where I've got to be on a long flight and

(54:10):
I've got to change my routine. I've got a just
jet lag.

Speaker 4 (54:13):
I guarantee you there isn't a coach in the world
who wants that.

Speaker 5 (54:16):
That was a personal why we're not.

Speaker 4 (54:18):
Going to Sea, Jeremy, I was disappointed personally. I'm with
Danny on this one. I'm team Let's go on an
international road trip for me.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
So, Danny, did you send a letter into the Roger
Goodell's mail bag, you know, sort of like Darren's. Did
you find another mail bag Durant and submit your own
note or no?

Speaker 5 (54:34):
Not yet. That's a good idea though.

Speaker 3 (54:37):
You got to be heard on that front. Yeah, okay,
all right, any other sundry items we missed here on
this edition of Cardinals Underground.

Speaker 4 (54:45):
I'm just now you've got me thinking about maybe I
should go to the graduation ceremony this week.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
You know, it's not nearly as profound as Waldo Emerson,
but you know, like I told the eighteen year old
punk the other day, you man, the tassel is worth
the hassle. And that'll do it for this edition of
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