Cardinals Underground - Depth Charts, RB1x2, And Preseason Play

One more episode out at State Farm Stadium before camp breaks, and it’s all leading into the first game of the preseason. That means Paul Calvisi, Darren Urban and Dani Sureck have plenty to discuss, including the first depth chart, James Conner and Trey Benson and the idea of co-RB1s, what could/might/should be done with wide receiver depth, a timely Getting Cultured segment, the outer-space ceiling of Paris Johnson Jr., the timeline on BJ Ojulari, Will Johnson’s Winning Behavior, and where Kyler is ranked among the NFC West QBs.

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Speaker 2 (00:35):
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that was nasty right there? Rights slam on the ground
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the backfield. I ain't scared of nobody.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
Here's Paul Calvic.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Let's start by taking role, not just because it's the
first week of school, but so because there's a new
depth chart out. So I mean, okay, Polly podcasts still here,
accounted for and reporting for Cardinals Underground. We know Danny
siregis here because the biggest ISOCM is in use and
this our.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
ISO cameras are the same size Paul.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
Danny doesn't go anywhere without her specific ISO cam. As
we learned last week.

Speaker 4 (01:21):
I have the smallest lens.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
It looks like Darren Urban. Now there is a question
Darren as to you know whether you're gonna be sitting
out the preseason with your veteran status, whether you might
be in the back of the press box on game day.

Speaker 4 (01:33):
I've only got about thirty snaps in me to be
really effective.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Street clothes and some fower seeds in the back of
the press box. You can let Zach Gershman maybe take
over and force on game day.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
In the preseason, let me I will I will say
this that we haven't had any cuts yet. I mean,
the depth chart is the depth chart. The Cardinals put
out a depth chart with twelve starters on defense. So
I first of all, if they have twelve starters on defense,
I guarantee you they're going to take a jump like we.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
All expect quat advantage.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
Yeah, it is well. I mean, if we had the
replacement rests from ten years ago, they probably could get
away with tall players on defense, and the replacment rests
never would have noticed this.

Speaker 4 (02:09):
This is not football related, but I wanted to bring
this up off the top speaking of like being veterans
and kind of being old school new school, Like we
all go to the gym and you see a like, okay,
you can have wireless headphones now correct, Like you can
bluetooth pretty much anything to your phone. Heck, you can

(02:31):
have the headphones that are like self contained, you don't
even need your phone, and you can play radio or
music through it. I every once in a while you
see the wired headphones and you're like, okay, like I
get it. I think I would probably move past that
at this point, especially when you're at the gym, you
want to have a little bit of like leeway with
what you're doing. I was at the gym. I saw

(02:56):
they were over the over the ear headphones, so not
out of ear buds, but over the phone over the
ears wired connected to don't say it, a laptop. And
as this gentleman went from machine.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
To machine where he put the laptop.

Speaker 4 (03:14):
It was open in like a v and then he
would put it on its side next to him as
he was working out. That's a first for me. Like
I've seen people with laptops at the gym because they
want to watch a video to like do like you know,
a sequence of stuff, but you're like in that middle.
But I've never seen anybody doing machines with it, and

(03:37):
it was clear that all he was using it for
was whatever he was listening to.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
Maybe he's light years ahead of us. I will say,
in an almost backwards way, wired headphones are becoming trendy.
They are making a comeback. Some people think that, like
scientifically it's somehow better for you than not using Bluetooth,
and it's become a thing of also a lot of
younger people who are streaming or you know, recording themselves

(04:01):
on different social media platforms. It has the microphone. I
don't know, but I will say wired headphones are making
a comeback. But I've never seen a laptop at the gym.

Speaker 4 (04:11):
I don't really have an issue with wired headphones having
them connected to a laptop at the gym when you're
walking around with it and like setting it down by
the side of m.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
Even better if he was playing like a DVD in
his laptop.

Speaker 4 (04:22):
So I just had to get that out over the top.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
There's also Jim Dude who walks around with a big
duffel bag, like the full blown travel duffel bag, and
he drops it at every station. Dude, there's a locker
room over there. Use the locker room. I think I'm
the only guy in the gym though that had and
he has neither headphones nor earbuds in I'm the only one.

Speaker 4 (04:42):
Oh, so you just raw dog the whole work.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
You don't listen to music while you work out.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
I figure, you know what, I blow out my ears
enough with headphones on all the time, because for a
living I never wear them in the gym.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
So like, if you're you just listen to yourself, like
your feet pound on the treadmill.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
Or where do you think I come up with all
this great analysis? That's my time to you know, it's
my time.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
It's actually insane behavior.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
You don't understand the insanity of.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
Behavior segment that would be on it.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
I mean the volume level. You think it's loud on
Cardinals Underground, just come over to COSAKELVC okay twenty four
to seven. So I need the peace and quiet for
at least an hour.

Speaker 4 (05:17):
I will say, I am somebody. I don't have a
gym bag, but I have a backpack with my basketball
in it. And also that's the best way to like
let everybody know that that's your what you're using there.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
So the major takeaway from this is that we all
go to the gym.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, there's a.

Speaker 4 (05:31):
That's the major take that is. And I don't use
a laptop there.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
Let's hear policy.

Speaker 4 (05:37):
I'm sorry. I didn't mean to derail us, but I
saw that and I felt the need to bring that up.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Okay, by the way, you did mention something I also
have an issue with, and that is twelve players on
the depth chart.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
We'll take a pall good work.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
I mean, why not thirteen? Why not fourteen? Why not fifteen?
This is a dangerous precedent. I'm here to say, if
you're going to go with more than the eleven, this
is depth chart.

Speaker 4 (06:03):
This has spoken like a true guy who's about to
handle play by playing the preseason, and he's already frustrated
with because here's the problem with the twelve. It's not
just that there's twelve and that that's one more than
you would actually have on the field. It also jacks
up like the rest of the depth chart, Like if
you've got twelve as the first string, you also have

(06:26):
twelve as the second string, And now all of a sudden,
it's a lot harder to figure out all like who
are your true backups and who's a really a third stringer.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
Or you could make like the Colts and their two
headed quarterback race, just put the word or on the
depth chart between.

Speaker 4 (06:41):
They've done that before here.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
Daniel Jones, and they've done that. I actually would prefer
that them just adding an extra player to one side
of the ball.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
Well, the problem with it is is they want to
give the three cornerbacks all their flowers for starting, but
they also want to have two starting inside linebackers.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
The extra is But yeah, I get it, and I'm
not here to complain because you know, oh we are.

Speaker 4 (07:05):
Here to complain. That is one of the things.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
So far more pads, more better if you will, you know,
a couple of days in a row of pads, and
a couple more days in a row in pads. You
know we're here for it. Now. I think the question is,
all right, what are the starters going to play? In
the preseason games? We saw the Bengals breaking with what
has been traditioned for Zach Taylor. They've got off to
i mean just annual slow starts ohing two, one and three.

(07:30):
So now all of a sudden Joe Burrow and company
are going to play in the preseason. Now we play
in the opener, play more in game two. So what
does that mean? We know the team coming in off
the bad Andy Reid. I mean, he's legendary for playing
Patrick Mahomes and company in the preseason. I heard.

Speaker 4 (07:45):
I have not seen this myself, but I heard that
he's already said obviously Mahones not too. But he said
the majority of the starters are going to play the
whole first half.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
Darn tutin here, that's what he does normally.

Speaker 4 (07:56):
Now, I do think there's been a swing. It seems
like there's going to swing across the league of like, Okay,
we need to get these guys some playing time as
opposed to never. The question is, do the Cardinals, more importantly,
for somebody who's doing play by play and would like
to prepare and has twelve defenders.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
To deal with, we're ready for anything.

Speaker 4 (08:16):
Does Jonathan Gannon forget whether he plays them or not?
Does Jonathan Gannon tell us whether he's going to play
them or not.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
It's a good point. Yeah, I don't know. I'm not sure.
I mean, it's a preseason game, you're not game planning.
So I'm not sure what's to benefit or gain from.

Speaker 4 (08:33):
Not say anything right because he doesn't like to.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
I mean, why gamesmanship if you're not even game planning.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
Well, Gannon even said that we're not gonna throw even
five plays on game planning of what Andy Reid likes
to do on third down because they're trying to focus
on themselves. That's pretty much what every team is doing.
No one is really game planning for these preseason games.
It would be similar to Zach Taylor with the Bengals.
It would be new for a think Gannon led Cardinals
team to play their starters in theason.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Now.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
Early I remember Kyler Murray was rehabing that knee, so
that was part of the reason he didn't start. Even
last year, rookie ride receiver Marvin Harrison Junior did not
see the field. Well, he had one snap, but that
was just to get into the rhythm and the scheduling
of everything, but didn't play really in the preseason. None
of the starters did. That would be new. There's benefit
to that of one getting used to the schedule and

(09:23):
the routine, but then actually going and stepping on to
the field and maybe shaking off any sort of nerves
working through any sort of communication king, especially when you've
got a new Green Dot and MacWilson Senior, and just
kind of making sure those mechanics are as smooth out
as possible. You don't need a full game for your
starters by any meanings, even a quarter is helpful. It

(09:45):
would be interesting, though, if we see that change with Gannon.

Speaker 4 (09:48):
It's funny. I was thinking, okay, you're you might they
might have a change, and then last week Marvin Harrison
doesn't practice, Michael Wilson ends up having to come out
of practice, and then you start thinking, okay, even if
he was planning on doing this, does he get freaked
out enough that, okay, we can't.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (10:12):
I don't know what the original I shouldn't say original plan.
The original plan might still be the plan. Well, we
don't know if it's been asked once already. And he
basically said, we'll make that decision when we need to
make that decision, which is why I wonder if he's
going to say anything. I wouldn't be surprised if when
we get him on Thursday, which is the last day

(10:32):
he talks this week before the Saturday game, it wouldn't
be surprised if he says something like, Yeah, we're gonna
have that discussion tonight.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Hey, if they need extra receivers. At this point, I'm
just saying, Calvicy consulting Polly preseason division. I just did
the depth chart last night, and your own depth chart, Chiefs,
the Chief step chart. I did this spotting board, I
should say, And based on the chief step chart, they
have fourteen fourteen receivers in camp, you know the old

(11:02):
All right, let's throw it at the wall and see
what said they have.

Speaker 4 (11:04):
Any number ones?

Speaker 2 (11:06):
I mean, you know there's Rashi Rice, there's Hollywood Brown, right,
so is Jesus and number those guys. Number those guys
are injured right now and probably will not Jujus Smith Schuster, Yeah,
or was the second round back? So you know it's
all I remember the one I think of the opening
of a season and the Chiefs and the Cardinals. How

(11:28):
can younot think of Week one twenty twenty two, Cliff
Kingsbury's last year where the Chiefs came out and Momes
had a five touchdown game out of the gate, and
one team looked imminently regular season ready and the other
did not. Now. Did the Cardinals play a lot of
starters last year? No. Marvin Harrison Junior lamented that a
little bit at the beginning of the last season. But
the Cardinals went on the road and took a seventeen

(11:49):
to three lead at Buffalo in Week one, so they
were ready to go out of the gate last year.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
Do you remember what was said in twenty twenty two
by Isaiah Simmons flying backer Isaiah Simmons.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
When talked about Packers linebacker now.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
Packers linebacker the poor performance by the defense, he implied
that that was because they did not get any reps
together in the preseason to kind of iron out any wrinkles.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
Well, they were changing the green dot at halftime from
Isaiah to whoever was wearing it after that I think
was Zavi and Collins took it over after that moment.
So yeah, never a good sign when you're changing out
the green dot at halftime up regular season game. Never
a good sign the defense when.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
I can work at Isaiah to a Cardinals Underground podcast, Yeah,
changing green.

Speaker 4 (12:31):
Dot a halftime definitely a red flag.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
By the way, I'll just say you can go find
some quotes from Isaiah and Packer's cap, and he wasn't
exactly taking a lot of accountability for where his career
is gone, once again placing the blame on all the
versatile spots and different positions he's played. And so all right,
now here's my question, the whole co RB one thing. Yes,

(12:54):
are you a believer? Is this really gonna you know
what is? And if so, what does that look like
game day?

Speaker 3 (13:00):
I am a believer. I still don't see this as
equal reps between James Connor and Trey Benson, who's going
into year two. I respected the way Connor handled his
press conference with the media when talking about it. It
takes a lot of growth and acceptance for a longtime
veteran in the league to go up in front of

(13:21):
the media and say we're co RB one's instead of no,
this is still my this is still my offense. I'm
the one coming out of the backfield and he's the
supplemental piece, right. So to be able to say that
is incredible leadership. And Connor praised Benson's skill set and
what he's able to do and the confidence he has
seen rise going into year two. That's the benefit is

(13:42):
when you have a run first offense the way the
Cardinals do. When you've got a workhorse, a bulldozing running
back in James Connor, the reality is is you need
to make sure you are prepared, even if not for injury,
for Connor to take a few snaps often and recover
and rest his body, and think longevity of making sure
you know Connor is not just good, ready to go

(14:02):
one hundred percent able to dominate defense is weeks one
through four? Can he do the same weeks fourteen through eighteen?
And so that's what this is. I appreciated the fact
that Connor handled that situation the way he did, and
I fully believe that he feels they are co RB once.

Speaker 4 (14:19):
I agree with you. I appreciated the way he do
and that's why I asked the question. I'm like, did
you do you have to mature to this point in
your career? I mean, especially at running back when you're
already RB one to see that, even even if it's
not one hundred percent true, that takes something. But I
think a James Connor knows he's thirty years old. He

(14:42):
knows that you've only got so many seasons left in
you and you want to win. And if that means
letting Trey Benson do some of the work, then he's
going to do it. I think it probably has to
do with what the coaches want to do too, an
acceptance of that. It's just funny when you hear a
guy that all we ever hear from Jonathan Gannon is

(15:04):
like James Connor, doesn't want to take any plays off,
he doesn't want to not practice, he doesn't want to
do this, and then all of a sudden he's saying, yeah,
there can be another RB one. I think it's a
great notion of leadership because it puts It gives a
lot of oomph to Trey Benson when he knows that
that's being heard. You know that that James Connor is

(15:24):
saying that. And the fact that James Connor said, you
don't want to shy away from those conversations, I think
that again says a lot about him. And let's face it,
as we saw Trey Benson last year, right before he
got hurt, he was looking more and more like James Connor,
which he needed to because the first half of the
year he did not.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
If he picks up where he left off last year,
he's more than equipped, yes to be RB one, And
to Danny's point, I like that, Look, this team is
going to be judged on November, December and January, and
James Connor with fresh legs in the second half of
the season while he's coming out of the by is
not only applause, it's a necessity for this team. So
I could see that, you know, you ride the young

(16:04):
guy early, especially against the Saints and some other teams,
and then you see if indeed the improvements he's made
in the offseason carry over to game day. Here's the
other thing. He was compensated nicely with a nice contract
extension James Connor, so he's been taken care of. He
is a team captain, at least he has been. And
I'm guessing there was a bit of a conversation, maybe

(16:25):
not even needed to say, Look, I mean, we've got
a young guy twenty two, just turned twenty three, you're
thirty years of age, you know, show him the way.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
Yes, oh god, this would be a different conversation if
at year thirty Connor was not still producing the way
that he is. This is not a situation where Connor
is your RB one. For the soul fact that he
has the experience and you're trying to respect the veteran
that he is. He's still going out there and he
is still dominating defenses. That's why this is the conversation
that it is. Again, I don't foresee any games where

(16:55):
Connor is having less carries than Benson, especially the threat
that Connor is in the passing game. I just see
this as more of a supplemental not necessarily fifty to fifty,
but a supplemental running backs room.

Speaker 4 (17:08):
I don't want to go too far back in time,
and James is way too much of a professional to
have this really derail anything. However, on draft of eight,
twenty twenty four third round pick on a running back
out of four third round picks, you're the second running
back taken in the draft or whatever Trey Benson was,

(17:29):
he was like, does James Connor hear about this?

Speaker 2 (17:31):
And go?

Speaker 4 (17:32):
I guess that's it for me because at the time,
James Connor was at the end of his contract. So
the fact that they get the extension done during the season,
I agree with you. I think you're in a better place.
And again I think he wants to win, and look,
every guy wants to be compensated. James Connor has been

(17:52):
a different one. I'm going to go back to when
all the running backs a couple of years ago got
on the phone call together to basically say we're all
under pay what the hell? And James Connor said, I
wasn't part of the phone conversation, and every time he
talked about being paid, he was a lot more like, look,
I'm blessed that I have the contract. He's never been

(18:13):
that guy. So there's just something about James Connor all
the way around that this allb co RB one thing
just fits his personality, which is why he's on this team,
besides the fact he's a great player, because he fits
so well. I mean, there's just there's nothing bad about
James Connor. I will, I will sing James Connor's praises
all damn day.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
What I'm intrigued about is how often are we to
see him together on the field. Yes, and I've swung
a miss now twice, Drew Pets and James Connor himself,
you know what, exactly two running backs, you know, two
back sets. Because as someone who endured the entirety of
the Hall of Fame game broadcast, there was a lot
of discussion about the Lions this year, going with David
Montgomery and Jumior Gabbs on the field at the same time.

(18:55):
To me, James Connor and Trey Benson on the field
at the same time, I think is in the Cardinals future.
I'm not sure exactly how often or how it'll look,
but I mean, if you're to put those two guys
out there in a two back set and all of
a sudden, James Connor flexes out into the slot because
he can really catch the football, you know, just like
Trey McBride said, Hey, we're gonna have more motion to
this offense, more sauce. I could see that as something.

(19:17):
Here's the other thing with Trey Benson, and I've had
a a couple of scouts, couple of coaches mentioned this.
The difference between Trey Benson and James Conner and Connor
has his plus is that Benson doesn't. But one thing
he does have is finishing speed. So whereas James Connor
was among the league leaders in chunk runs last year
ten and twenty yards, doesn't quite have the jets to

(19:38):
finish the length of the field. If Trey Benson gets
in the clear second third level, he gone at four
to three, and I think that's coming this year. I
think there's gonna be a fifty sixty seventy yard touchdown
run from Trey Benson at some point this year at
Marsta Market. Just I'm waiting for it. I'm waiting for
it in that in that front. By the way, in

(20:00):
terms of the top one hundred, here's the other thing,
is James Connor in the top one hundred players. No,
if this is a playoff team and you're getting national television,
and you're and they flex you into Monday night or
Sunday night towards the end of the year, and now,
all of a sudden, you know, my other hot take,
Buddha Baker if he has a season he had last
year for a team in the spotlight, in the limelight

(20:22):
quite a bit. I think he's a legit NFL Defensive
Player of the Year candidate based on his numbers a
year ago. All of a sudden, you know, to your
point about James counter wanting to win, well, guess what
that brings so much more attention, asks Larry Fitzgerald. What
happens when you get national attention, you get the spotlight
of playoff football.

Speaker 4 (20:38):
So that's just the really really extended monologue of all
these guys doing the cliche of if we win the accolades, come.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
Yo, there you go. Okay. Other takeaways from the depth chart?
Anything anything? Do you want to stir anything up, dre
and get out the soup spoon? Any other death.

Speaker 4 (20:56):
To further is there was there anything? Was there anything
that you're like, Oh, no, there wasn't.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
I'm gonna try real hard to have it.

Speaker 4 (21:04):
Not based on what we've seen in camp.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
Where can I take Umbridge with his step chart?

Speaker 4 (21:08):
People people were talking about, oh Will Johnson is listed
as a as a starting cornerback. Well, yeah, have you
been watching practice for two weeks?

Speaker 3 (21:14):
He's you tell him.

Speaker 4 (21:16):
Out there with the first unit.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Okay, So what jumps out to me when you look
at the step chart on the defensive side in addition
to twelve Walter Nole in the third third team, So
that obviously is going to change at some point, hopefully
sooner than later. So what does that mean for the
Cardinals in terms of I mean you you have a
lot of defensive linemen who are legitimate NFL players. Yeah,

(21:40):
does Montios support at some point get preemptive? You know what?
We have some injury issues, a receiver who needs a
defensive lineman. Maybe what do you got? You start hitting
the phones. Maybe we need an extra guard, interior offensive lineman.
What do you got, we have a defensive lineman. Are
you interested? And now he starts hitting the phones over
the next couple of weeks.

Speaker 4 (22:01):
Well, first of all, we already know because it's out
there that Will Hernandez had a visit to the Cardinals,
he has been signed, he's coming off in acl You know,
there's how quickly he could be ready to be what
they want to be. And then what does that mean?
Like I think Isaiah Adams is going to start a

(22:21):
right guard. I think if Will Hernandez were to come back,
he's probably looked at his depth at this point. And
you know, if you get him in training camp, you're
in a position where, even if he's not all the
way ready, you can put him. You can still put
him on the pup list and that gives you a
little bit of time to get him to where you
need him to be. So I'm curious to know when
you talk about a trade, if they add that depth,

(22:45):
you know, what does that mean? What they've seen with
their guard depth so far? The receiver thing always. You know,
we've we've talked about this now obviously with Wilson and
Harrison being banged up, you know, I think Jay Jones
can help them. Do you want Jay Jones being your
number one and then Greg Dort's your number two and
then I don't know who's even your number three at

(23:07):
this point? Like, but the issue that I have with
the wide receiver when everybody says, go sign a wide receiver,
I'm like, we've talked about this before, Danny, Like, where
would that person fit if you go get And I'm
just going to throw out a name because that's the
only one I know off the top of my head,
But Amari Cooper, Why would a Mary Cooper want to
come here when his best case scenario if people stay healthy,

(23:28):
is as the number three and you're above Jay Jones.
But you're not going to get a lot of targets
and you may not even be on a field that
much because you're using multiple tight end sets.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
Let me play Devil's advocate. If you're bringing in a
veteran like that, how would they automatically not? Is it
possible they're not automatically your number two receiver? What I've
seen online, which I think is a fair question. We're
talking about the receivers when we talk about depth, and
every position is different of what you need, what this
offense in this case specifically requires, and what they want.
It's all a numbers game. We talk about the depth

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at offensive line, the depth they brought in a backup quarterback,
the depth and cornerbacks, inside linebackers. What's your comfort level
with the depth of wide receiver at first case scenario,
you have an injury to a top receiver knock on wood,
what is your comfort level with depth? That is where
a lot of these discussions of bringing in a veteran
receiver stem from.

Speaker 4 (24:21):
I totally understand that, But again, what are you telling
the player that's coming in and does that player want
to do it now? Again, if the player wants a
job and a paycheck, that might be that might impact something.
And we saw last year Jay Jones. I know for
a fact Jay Jones didn't get the kind of targets

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or play that he wanted to once he got back
from the suspension. But he was good in the locker room.
He's good in the room. He showed leadership skills with
the young receivers. He was a good fit for that.
That's one of the reasons they wanted to bring him back.
Is there somebody out there that makes sense that is
willing to be in the locker room and as a
in case of emergency break glass guy. And if nobody,

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if there's no emergency, you may not get any you
might not play much.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
There may not be a player right now for break
emergency that's available.

Speaker 4 (25:12):
And the other problem you have with that is, again
I'm throwing a name out just so we can have
this discussion. A Mari Cooper. You can't have a Mari
Cooper on the roster if he's not getting targets because
he ain't playing special teams, you know, and that's what
you need to be active on game days.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
Well, guess what, though, Xavier Weaver isn't playing special teams
other than returner. And unless unless Zay Weaver I'm with you,
beats out DJ Dallas and Mario de Mercado, Greg Dortsch
one of those primary return roles, he's gonna So if
you're gonna have that sort of receiver on the roster,
maybe it's a guy with experience, like a MARII Cooper.
I get it. I just if you're on the if

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you're on your couch right now and you're a Mari
Cooper and you're like, you know what, I know Drew Petsien,
I know Jacoby Brissett pretty well, played with both. You know,
I've worked with both those guys. And I'm to the
Cardinals depth chart, and after Marvin Harrison Junior, does AMRII
Cooper sweat Michael Wilson Zay Jones? With all due respect,
I mean, there's he puts in a couple of good games.
He could climb the wide receiver too pretty quickly by

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mid season. If he's a reliable target for a Kyler Murray, I.

Speaker 4 (26:18):
Guess I have Michael Crabtree PTSD.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
Maybe maybe a little bit on that. He's about as
unique a personality as against That's fair.

Speaker 4 (26:26):
I mean, I'm not trying to put a Marii Cooper
or whoever.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
I'm just saying they do have intel in terms of
having worked with Amari Cooper before. So you know, I
would if they made that move, I would feel pretty
good about it because they have worked with him as
opposed to Michael Crabtree. Who's right, they are unbeknownst to everyone.

Speaker 4 (26:41):
Who do you cut at wide receiver, Who's who who's
in danger of not being on the roster if you
bring in another receiver.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
Well, let's I mean, look right now, the made men
are Marvin Ayrison Junior, Michael Wilson, and after that, I mean,
you know Jay Jones in terms of the contract status,
I mean Greg Dorsch. I mean, if you're telling me
Amari Cooper is is gonna play like he has an
earlier in his career, I mean, I think anything any

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one is up for grabs after the first.

Speaker 4 (27:14):
Two, that's fair. That's fair.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
I will say, don't need to be his long of
discussions of that and not necessarily surprises based on what
we've seen it practice. But looking at the depth chart two,
just interesting points on the defense of cornerbacks. Is having
the rookie Denzel Burke and Kee Troll Clark ahead of
Elijah Jones, who's going Intier two. Didn't have much of
a rookie season. He was dealing with a foot injury.
He didn't play at all last year. And then similarly

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the outside linebackers room, having rookie Jordan Birch ahead of
Xavier Thomas going in Tier two not necessarily surprises based
on what we've seen it practice. Just an interesting that's
fair interesting point to make from the depth chart.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
By the way, Zay Jones has been playing with an
edge in this camp. He chucked Max Melton in a
one on one that would have been flagged. I mean
it was really physical, like overly over above and beyond.
And then he got in the face of of Garrett
Williams in the back corner of the end zone after
they tussled for a football and Garret Williams is celebrating
and Zay Jones didn't like that.

Speaker 4 (28:08):
I'm gonna be honest, I'm going to disagree with you
from the standpoint. I think Jay Jones absolutely is on
this team. I don't. I don't think that's a question.
We can talk about the other receivers and you know,
some of like uh Semi for Hocojoko, like Jeff Rodgers
wants some special teams guys, and that's a special teams guy.

(28:29):
So but I think Jay Jones is absolutely on this roster.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Right this bad time because Danny's taken. She's hydrating right now.
But I think it's time to get cultured. All there,
good biggest smile of the don't worry everyone.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
When we are back in our studio next week, we
will have music. So let's just pretend it just wrapped up.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
This is just the basics of camp. We don't need
no stinking music. Let's go.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
Here's the latest praise. Although I think I'm actually technically
a little behind in explaining this to both of you boos.
Do you even know what I'm saying? Is that English
to you, Paul? Is that register?

Speaker 2 (29:03):
The boo boos? The booboos, boo boos.

Speaker 4 (29:06):
I'll be honest, I.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
Think they were a punk band out of Scotland in
this late seventies.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
Close. They are actually collectibles. They are small plush toys
that are on a keychain. It's a bag charm. They
have these evil like expressions where they have these sharp
teeth like coming out over the lips, and they have
these very expressive faces and they have claws on them.
The whole point of it, though, is you don't know

(29:30):
what you're getting. You pay roughly thirty or so dollars,
there's what and well it's limited quality as well, so
that that's why people quantity quantity, thank you. Well yeah,
I don't love the quality, but limited quantity, thank you.
But the whole idea, the fun of it is it's
a surprise. So you buy this box, you don't know
which one you're getting, right, and so.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
Then, by the way, thirty dollars a designer drink at
the bar these days is thirty bucks.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
That's not including the outfits people buy for their And
then if you go on you know, eBay, whatever, you know,
you find a resaler who's selling them for hundreds, maybe
one thousand dollars if it's a limited edition. La boo boo.

Speaker 4 (30:05):
All right. I know this is way back in the day,
but like this is like a beanie baby's thing and
then like inn five years.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
Except they're carrying them around every It's almost like a
ton that got you or the.

Speaker 4 (30:13):
Little I got that. But like when you're spending that
kind of money and then you find out five years
later they're all worth it.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
No, my beanie babies and my parents attic will be
worth something someday.

Speaker 4 (30:23):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
And the last point on getting cultured this week, I
don't know if you guys saw this, but former Dallas
Cowboys wide receiver Des Bryant and Rabert Nicki Minaj found themselves.
This was Twitter beat.

Speaker 4 (30:35):
I was hoping this was going to get and give.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
Yeah, I'm not. I'm not really going to go into
the details. If that intrigues you, you are more than
welcome to do some personal research.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
I was too busy grinding on the Kansas City Chiefs
fourteen wide receivers. I missed this go ahead, not me.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
Des Brian essentially called out Jerry Jones regarding the Micah
Parsons trade request. All of those issues going on, and
somehow Nicki Minaj found herself involved by in putting herself
into this situation. So the two of them were kind
of going back and forth and it got kind of weird.
It's a lot to keep up with. But if that
intrigues you, I would recommend going through their Twitter accounts.

(31:10):
But yeah, I found himself in some Twitter beef.

Speaker 4 (31:13):
I don't follow nick Minaj, I don't follow Dez Bryant,
but that all ended up on my timeline. And I
will say that apparently Nicki Minaj is kind of famous
for like not only inserting herself into conversations that she
wasn't originally in, but also like after a tweeter two
going completely like off the rails sideways and talking about

(31:35):
this and this and having some weird photo with it.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
We should clarify, given what we have seen on Twitter
from Nicki Minaj and from her fans, we are not
coming for her. We're not criticized because I don't want
them to come for me. You've both been culture.

Speaker 4 (31:47):
Though you're but with it started because of the Micael
Parsons thing and somehow Jerry Jones, Jerry Jones was saying
stuff about Des Bryant, who was who was represented by
rock Nation and jay Z once upon a time and
apparently Nikki is very close to jay Z and.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
The only thing that whole equation is missing post Malone.
Throw post Malone into that in a Cowboys jersey?

Speaker 3 (32:10):
I mean Cowboys?

Speaker 2 (32:12):
Is it me? Or is post Malone everywhere? Happy Gilmour too?
Post Malone isn't worn. I am so done with post
Malone really, I mean, come on.

Speaker 4 (32:20):
I will say that I'm a big fan when we
can weave some sports into getting cultured, that's number one.
And I will also give a big thanks to Danny
because she brought up labooboo is because I said the
other day I'm like, I keep seeing this word on
my timeline. What is that? And She's like, I don't
want to get into it, and then she said, I'll
put it into getting in getting cultured.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
If you want to look up look up pictures of
them and how they look in the different colors, but
you've probably seen them in just to know they're they're
about this big. They are a.

Speaker 4 (32:50):
Christmas And now I know there you go.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
A boo boo.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
I'll take it out for target practice. That'll be good. Uh.
You two need to give thanks that we don't have
any of that sort of non football narrative or storyline
to worry about in this gap under Jonathan's money supports.
There's a lot out remarkably quiet. No, Terry McLaurin, No,
Michael Parsons. I mean the degree to which those topics

(33:13):
are dominating NFL discussion on the national platforms.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
I mean, I could I could go on about the
Cowboys situation in particular. That's what they like. This happens now.
It doesn't normally get to this kind of level with
Jerry Jones and how he's talking about Parsons and the players.
But the Cowboys are the talk of the town, they're
the talk of the nation, Paulin, And that's the goal,
and that is what that ownership likes. Ill I would

(33:37):
be surprised if Parsons is not on the Cowboys roster
active Week one. Especially, they've they've they're going to come
to a deal. They're not going to trade him.

Speaker 4 (33:44):
Terry McLaurin is going to be playing for the Commanders,
Trey Hendrickson is going to be playing for the Bengals.
Micah Parson's going to be playing for the Cowboys. In
large part because if you don't play, and you don't,
if you aren't there, you're losing hundreds of thousands, if
not millions of dollars. You just I understand what these

(34:05):
players want to do. I will say this, if there
is a player that could really push what he wants
to do, it's Michael Parsons giving his age. There isn't
one team out of the other thirty one that wouldn't
take Michael Parsons today and pay him what he wants.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
There's one player that could sit out and still benefit.

Speaker 4 (34:27):
Yes, and it would be I mean, I will be honest,
like and Jerry Jones is I'm just gonna say this.
You find Paul, I don't want to say this because
you're usually so like you you.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
You watch your tongue.

Speaker 4 (34:45):
You watch your tongue all the time, Paul, But as
you get older you do care less and less what
people what Here we go just saying what you want
to say. Now Danny does it anyways, depending on her
as young as she is.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
I mean with Darren's four one k, I mean he
has the ability.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
You know whatever you want to look into my big
iso camera. What you're about to say.

Speaker 4 (35:04):
Jerry Jones. Jerry Jones really like that would be frustrating
to hear some of the things he said if you're
a player the last couple of weeks, like he said
about Michael Parsons, and that's all I'm going to say
about it, because hey, ain't our business.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
But that is all right, here's my segue. You ready. Yes,
Paris Johnson Junior faced Michah Parsons and pretty much shut
him down as a rookie. If you guys remember the
key to that game was really Jesse Luketta, because Jesse
Lucetta was college roommates with Michael Parsons at Penn State,
and Jesse Lucetta said, Hey, Paris, come here, I got

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a intel for you and how to play Michael Parsons
and that was just part of a rookie season where
I mean Paris Johnson Junior saw anyone in everyone that
year in terms of, you know, marquee pass rushers, including
Aaron Donald twice. What do you guys think? What's the
feedback been Paris Johnson Junior? What first time it is?
Careers released? Since high school? He has played the same

(36:01):
position two years in a row, left tackle? What's was
he the one where Gannon said Mars?

Speaker 4 (36:08):
Yes, right, he said his ceiling is really high. I'm
talking Mars and then his next line was, I hope
I'm not making any big statements or I'm paraphrasing.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
It's pretty big Mars.

Speaker 4 (36:21):
I hope everybody listening has already read my big story
on Paris Johnson Junior on this subject. If you haven't,
it's on Azycardinals dot Com. So I do appreciate that
tea upright there, Paul. I think it's it's interesting to
see where Paris goes this season. He has been mentored

(36:42):
by Willie Anderson, who was a three time All Pro
with the Bengals back in the day, and he's been
mentored by Willie Anderson since Paris was a going into
his sophomore year of high school, and but before he
had played a down of high school football is offensive lineman?

Speaker 2 (37:00):
Wow?

Speaker 4 (37:02):
And so Willie Anderson has seen it all. I was
able to talk to Willie Anderson, but from the day
that he showed up with Willy Anderson, which was having
no clue how to play offensive line and was terrible,
to where he is now where we're talking about can
he get to elite status? And again, I mean, we're
all gonna say it, like I've been covering this league

(37:23):
for twenty five years, Paul, you've seen it for just
as long. Like I'm not going to sit here and
say I know just by myself whether a guy is
an elite past protector or offensive lineman. I don't. I mean,
I can tell if a guy's really crappy, and but
but we just don't know. And I'm not one hundred

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percent sure that anybody truly knows, unless you're talking about
the coaches, because even the other players they see it
to a certain extent. But just like anything, you don't
know the alignment everything. But everybody seems to think Paris
Johnson is in a place to take that next level.
And Willie Anderson was telling me, and he had just
recently talked to Lane Johnson, who obviously is a star

(38:08):
tackle for the Eagles. They both kind of feel like
their light went on at the very end of their
second season and the third season is where they really
took off. That's where we are with Paras Johnson.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
It is something to note that in college, no matter
where Johnson played on the line at Ohio State, he
was incredibly successful inside, outside, left side, right side. Comes
to the Cardinals, is the right tackle because he still
have DJ Humphries on the left side, is the only
offensive lineman to play every snap his rookie year, and
he looked good to make the switch back over to

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the left side, which is actually where Johnson has said
he feels most comfortable to make that adjustment and to
still have a very good second year in the league.
I do believe that the ceiling is very high of
what we can expect to see from Johnson year three,
first time since high school playing in the same position
back to back years. He's comfortable with the scheme. He
is comfortable with the timing of his quarter back, who

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was very mobile and good with his legs, and how
to make sure that he's not drawing any sort of
penalty if Murray is hanging on to the ball. I
do think it's fair to say that there are high
expectations of Johnson's play given what we have seen from
him at every point in his career.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
I mean, look at the teams in the Cardinals division
who have really excelled. The Rams are at their best
when they had Andrew Whitworth at left tackle, the Niners
with Trent Williams. There's every reason to expect Paris Johnson
Junior can be that guy at left tackle long term.
I definitely think Josh Sweat is going to help the process.
And I didn't get this because it was the first

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rep of the first O line D line drill in
this camp, but not two hours after Jonathan Gannon said
that Josh Sweat has one of the best speed to
power moves in the league. He unleashed it on Paris
Johnson Junior in the first rep and he beat Paris decidedly.
He beat him and Paris bounced up and you could
tell he's like, I want to go again, and then

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they did and Paris won the second rep at least stopped,
but Josh Swett got him, and that's the first time
I've really seen Paris got got if you will in
one of those And so for that reason, I do
think Josh Sweat will make him better by the time
he gets to the end of the of this Cardinal season.

Speaker 4 (40:13):
I one hundred percent agree with you. And one of
the reasons I think Josh Sweat will make him better,
or if he ends up having to go against Darius
Robinson or if he sees Klais Campbell atny Is because
of who Paris is. One of the things that was
straight across the board. And I know coaches, especially when
you're doing a story like this, people tend to talk

(40:35):
well about him. But I'm doing the story because he's
good in the first place. So it's not a huge surprise.
Justin Frye, who coached who is now his offensive line
coach and coach Paris his last year at Ohio State,
said this, Willie Anderson said this, Jonathan Gannon has said this.
You will not find a harder worker. And even Paris

(40:56):
when I talk to him about how terrible he was
that very first day, I mean, he's been burning since
that first day as a sophomore. To be in high
school to be good at this. It pisses him off
when he is not really good. He is extra motivated.
We can see and Paris. Paris will joke with you
in the locker rooms. He smiles a lot. But make

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no mistake, this guy is ultra serious about what he's
doing and he absolutely wants to be elite. Now he's
not saying he's there yet. He is not cocky like that,
but he wants to be that guy.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
On game day, he doesn't talk until it's breaking the
huddle after team warm ups, before they go back into
the locker room. He is completely dialed in. He said.
He does not talk to anyone. He handles his business.
And when he breaks that huddle and he's leading the
charge as the alpha male he's been described in that
offensive line room, that's the first time he's talking on
game day.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
My favorite Storre and I asked him about this recently
December of his rookie year at Pittsburgh. TJ. Watt second half,
Cardinal's coming back, Cardinal's going away with the win, and
the ball had gone downfield, but there on the right side,
because it was right near the Cardinals sideline, you couldn't
miss it. It was front and center. There's Paris Johnson Junior.
He's got TJ. Watt locked up and he's driving him
towards the sideline and he's not stopping as Paris Johnson

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Junior like to say, I'm gonna throw him out of
the club, and TJ. Watt knows he doesn't have the
leverage and he goes down purposely. They go down in
a pile and they start tussling, and then a bunch
of dudes jumped in. But right there, I'm like, Wow,
a rookie taking it to TJ. Watt.

Speaker 4 (42:28):
One more anecdote from this from when I was doing
the story was Willie Anderson was talking to Paris when
he was younger, and and Paris has been Paris was
almost six y six when he went he met Willy
Anderson the first time, so going into sophomore year, he
was already super big. So when he started playing and
he figured some stuff out, he was dominating, especially his

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junior year, and there were a lot of he'd get
a lot of crap from opposing players and stuff, basically
saying the only reason you're you're doing this is because
you so much bigger than us. You're not that good
blah blah blah blah. And he said something to Willy Anderson,
and Willy Anderson said, look, he goes, I was the
same way. I was the big kid, and everybody told
me that there's two ways to approach it. You can

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just do what you're doing, and if you're soft about
it anyways, they're still gonna give you trash talk. They're
gonna trash talking no matter what. So you can either
just go about your business, or you can put on
tape this domination and then not only are you good
on the field, but when they're watching the tape to

(43:32):
prepare for you, there's a fear factor because you're gonna
bury them. He goes, if they're gonna say it anyways,
kick their ass every time, drive them into the wall.
I mean, I keep thinking. I think it was the
Dallas game his rookie year, didn't he take a cornerback
into the wall. I can't remember. It was a Giants
with Dallas, but one of those two games there was

(43:52):
a play on a touchdown where he just drove this
dude all the way to the wall in the back
of the end zone. He didn't need to, but he
did it.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
That's right. You shut him down, and that's how you
showed him up, all right, So that's that's I'm just
gonna say.

Speaker 3 (44:05):
I'm surprised the anecdote you gave from the Steelers game
was that and not the two hour rain to lay
at halftime when you were down on the field. Yeah,
Darren and I were nice and warm and dry in
the press box.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
Actually, yeah, there is There is a Paris components that too.
I actually I stood next to Paris for shelter in
that game. Okay, that's how big he is now, This
second pick of the twenty twenty three draft class, bgo
Jali couldn't be more of an unknown. I mean what
I know fans are wondering, all right, Really no answers
right now as to his status, correct.

Speaker 4 (44:37):
I mean, Jonathan Gannon said the other day his rehab
has been awesome, but he's still on POMP. I do
want to say, and we've had this conversation before, and
we've had about not all knee injuries are the same
and not all ACL injury like, and we've seen it
a million times. There's multi ligaments in there. You can

(45:01):
have your ACL torn, but you can also have other
things torn. I don't know any specifics about BJ, but
to just say, hey, this guy was on an ACL
and came back in this amount of time. And this
guy had an ACL and he came back in this
amount of time. So we don't know exactly what all happened,
but the fact he's on PUP right now, you know.

(45:22):
And again just as a refresher, they've got three guys
on PUP right now, Belall Nichols, Walter Nolan, bjo Jali.
If you're on PUP, you can remain on PUP to
start the season and you're not wasting a roster spot.
If you are on PUP when the final roster is made,
you have to stay on the PUP list for at

(45:44):
least four games. That's been shrunk. I think it was
six originally, so it's only four now. But that's something
to keep in mind when we do final cuts. If
they keep, if one of these guys is still on
PUP when the season starts, they're gonna miss at least
the first four games.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
Okay, all right, I'll tell you what. How about some
winning behavior and honor of Will Johnson and you know,
you know I mean Will Johnson. I mean every week
we should have like a face of winning behavior, right,
someone who has been winning at the game of football.
So I would you guys agree Will Johnson at this point,
coming off the Red and White he would be that player, correct.

Speaker 4 (46:20):
Yeah. Look, I'm gonna say this. I'm super conservative and
fans hate me for it. I'm not going to click
bait all over the place about historic training camps. But
Will Johnson, and he's certainly not having a historic training camp.
But Will Johnson looks really damn good, Danny, I mean

(46:40):
really good.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
In your defense, I'm not sure eight historic training camp
exists when most of them are in T shirts and
shorts and routes on air. Will Johnson has looked very good.
And what you're talking about that Red and White practice
was a very nice interception where Johnson had a great read,
came back on in front of the wide receiver or
snag the interception right as he was going out of bounds.

(47:03):
It was a really nice play. There's a reason Johnson
has been getting first team reps is he's clearly understanding
what is being asked of him from the mental standpoint,
and that's a position room with a lot of competition,
and as this coaching staff still decides on how they
want to approach different packages, especially not having two starters

(47:25):
and Shawn Murphy bunting and Starling Thomas, it's very clear
that they like well Johnson and what we have seen
of him in practice. I mean, look, he's fluid, he's fast,
he's able to read what the offense is doing. He's
got good hands. So it'll be interesting to see one
how much he plays in preseason. Going back to the
beginning of how much starters play. If rookies have any

(47:45):
sort of different rules is not the right word, but
if they approach rookies any different, that is absolutely a
player to continue to keep an eye on.

Speaker 4 (47:54):
I mean, when you say winning behavior, one on ones
is not a place where defensive back have the upper hand.
And when he and it was, I think it was
against Tejon Palmer, so not one of the top receivers,
but still there was a one on one rep last
week where he essentially ran the route and knocked the

(48:14):
pass down and the only reason he didn't get the
pick was because I think the quarterback realized, oh crap,
Will Johnson ran the route and wasn't a better I mean,
there was no way the ball was getting to Palmer,
that's winning behavior.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
He's been so good. At times I've literally said to
past a wolf on the sideline, come on, he knew
the play. In high school football, we used to call
those guys all Americans when the defensive guys knew the
plays at some point, you know the plays, right, and
then they jumped the play and they make the play. Oh,
mister all American. Right, you sniffed it out and you

(48:47):
snuffed it out because you knew the play. He's been
so good. I've been wait a minute, come on, now,
the playbook is such that he's so Now he's probably
the single player that I want to see the most
against Denver in the joint practice. I want to see
him against other receivers and how he keeps up and competes.

(49:09):
So all right, and honor that winning behavior, which is
sort of our way of saying a lot of these
examples here display non winning behavior. Where do you guys
want we.

Speaker 4 (49:18):
Do end up with a lot of that stuff?

Speaker 2 (49:19):
We do?

Speaker 4 (49:20):
I do feel we did.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
I mean, you know, like Jared Allen's splitting his pants
on stage in the Hall.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
Of Fame behavior, you know, why not?

Speaker 4 (49:27):
Its fun?

Speaker 3 (49:28):
It's fun. Who cares? Into the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
At least was the end seam along the thigh. It
could have been a lot worse.

Speaker 4 (49:35):
I will say that Jared Allen is one of those
guys that can tear his pants and you're like, he
can work that in, right.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
Chris Faring he works it in when.

Speaker 4 (49:45):
Larry Fitzgerald goes into the Hall of Fame next year.
He is not a guy that I think would handle
splitting his pants.

Speaker 3 (49:51):
Remind me back in I think it was twenty twenty
two when we were in Minnesota. Was it Jared Allen
who they have right in on the horse?

Speaker 4 (49:57):
Yes, that was the pre game.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
Oh yeah, absolutely, that's my famous behavior. To me, that's
my famous Jeremy Bridges story. Real quick, jaredville this.

Speaker 4 (50:09):
When he was talking about how you had this stripper
DJ voice.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
No, no, Jeremy Bridges all time personality and a long
time offensive lineman in this league. Jared Belder went down
in a game against the Vikings and Jared Allen was
dominating and Bridges was really more of an interior offensive
lineman at that point in his career, and on the
sideline he started campaigning and telling the coaches, let me
play him I'm gonna go fight him. That's why I'm
just gonna go fight him. I was, I'm gonna go

(50:32):
fight him Jeremy and they and he did. He went
out there and he literally was like a street brawl
against Jared Allen the rest.

Speaker 4 (50:38):
They won that game, though, two thousands, they did great.
I mean, I have to say this one was that
this struck me. This is winning behavior from parents that
really there was a baby born at the end of
July July twenty sixth, so like two weeks ago, a

(50:58):
week and a half ago, from an embryo that was
frozen in nineteen ninety four.

Speaker 3 (51:04):
That's not a long time ago, Darren. Why are you saying, oh,
though such a long time ago.

Speaker 4 (51:08):
It is, like, so that's just crazy to me. That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
That, like science is pretty crazy.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
I mean in nineteen ninety four, which was back during
walkmans and all that, I mean, we had the technology
to freeze in embryo in nineteen ninety four.

Speaker 4 (51:22):
Really, I well, yeah, that doesn't surprise me. It was funny,
like some of the memes that came out over that
over social media, like can you imagine being it when
you're you're a teenager and you're being told like you
were you could have been born for like when Halo
first came out or and Madden.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
And right, yeah, that's okay, all right, well it's pre Internet,
but we could freeze embryos. That's interesting. All right. What
else do you have here? Oh, the truckload of hot
dogs in PA.

Speaker 4 (51:53):
Truckload of hot dogs gets spilled on a Pennsylvania interstate.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (51:58):
My favorite part was the quote from the chief. I
can tell you personally, hot dogs are very slippery.

Speaker 3 (52:05):
Is that buns included or just the actually the hot dogs,
so that dog hot dogs have some Greg Dorsch to
him chestnut, that's right, clean it up.

Speaker 4 (52:16):
I mean once once they're like, I mean, that's.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
Just Pennsylvania farm country. I now think of chad Ryland,
Cardinals Kicker and a video you can find on cardinals
social media Spirit Animals. He went with dairy cow because
he grew up on a farm in Pennsylvania. So there's
my connection to the Cardinals on that one.

Speaker 4 (52:32):
Chad Ryland, we don't want to spill any spilled.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
I asked him about it. By the way, I did
grill Hi about it. He still owns it. He said
that wasn't for the cameras. His spirit animal is a
dairy cow.

Speaker 4 (52:40):
So the spirit animal social thing was awesome, especially when
Michael Carter said his spirit animal was twenty sixteen lebron,
which Paul.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
And I took his goat. That must mean his spirit
animal is a goat.

Speaker 4 (52:52):
He didn't really say goat, but that's fair.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
Yeah, that was a good one, okay, And then what else?
What is it? Some zoo and death?

Speaker 4 (53:01):
Last one? And I noticed one. There's starting to become
some backlash to the zoo, I.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
Hope so, my goodness. So they need food for their
predatory animals in this zoo and Denmark, so.

Speaker 4 (53:12):
They're asking for donations.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
Donations, not rodents you find in your garbage can or
you know, but your pet. Now, to be fair, the
audacity of a Facebook post.

Speaker 4 (53:24):
A post in the post said, if you have a
healthy animal that needs to be given away for various reasons,
feel free to donate to us.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
Hand them, hand them over with their their death.

Speaker 4 (53:34):
The zoo points to guinea pigs, rabbits, and chickens as
possible donations. They will be gently euthanized.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
I hate that, and then torn apart by the predatory
animals in the zoo.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
Not a fan, I mean, not a fan Denmark behavior.

Speaker 4 (53:51):
I don't know if that's winning behavior. They did talk
about them the natural chain of the natural food shad
or whatever.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
Oh my god, So if.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
Your pet Gerbil dies or something, don't bury it in
the backyard, just take it to the zoo.

Speaker 4 (54:05):
Well, they did say healthy, so it depends on why
it dies.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
Beggars can't be choosers, this is true. We want to
talk about natural selection.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
All right, Well, we'll leave you with this. As we've
been doing this podcast NFL Network Good Morning Football, they've
been focusing on the NFC West and they had the
panelists rank the quarterbacks in the NFC West, and Jamie
Rdahl went on a big rant about how she has
every other quarterback ahead of Kyler Murray, so if Kyler
is looking for even more motivation this year. The other

(54:37):
three panelists had it Stafford, Brock, Purty, Kyler, Sam Darnold.
But she said, based on last year, how can you
not put Donald ahead of Kyler? Based on so well,
you see his last two games Week eighteen, in the
playoff game. Yeah, that's all. We can put Darnald in
the basement, especially behind that Yankee Seattle offensive line. That
would be my reasoning there. But at this point, I

(54:58):
think Kyler had a brock per make that happen. That
is feasible, that is doable, that is plausible this year.

Speaker 4 (55:04):
I we're still relatively early. We're still a month out
from games that matter. However, Matthew Stafford still having back issues.
I do agree he's the best quarterback in this division
if he's healthy.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
It'ld be one thing if he had a sprain ankle
a back.

Speaker 3 (55:22):
Bring out Jimmy Garoppolo for a quarterback? Is that the
backup in LA?

Speaker 4 (55:26):
That is correct?

Speaker 2 (55:27):
I mean you talk about getting rid of the ball quickly,
you watch Matthew Stafford will be getting rid of the
ball quicker than any quarterback in the league this year.
If he's doing with the problematic back.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
Issue, somehow be more immobile than he has in years past.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
By the way, you don't see the Cardinals, don't see
the Rams until the final six games of the year. Right,
two times in the.

Speaker 3 (55:46):
Final DJ Humphries is now in LA.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
That's right, that's right.

Speaker 4 (55:50):
And when I I think when he signed there, they said,
like there's a really good chance he's going to be
on that team. Because they need a backup tackle.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
So okay, well, look, we'll see whether we do see
Kyler in the preseason. We've always been talking about doing
the boring stuff a little bit more, which Kurt Warner
has been saying for a couple of years. Now, take
the layups, right, take the layup. Take the layups. Okay,
we'll see how that tracks. There you go. Uh, that'll
do it for this is.

Speaker 4 (56:18):
This is like we're like, we're back in the office
next week.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
Okay, if you say so, I don't know days of
the week right now.

Speaker 4 (56:24):
No, I'm lost. No, we're back in the office. There's
a trip to Denver next week, but we're gonna do
our normal underground on Tuesday because you guys have a
lot of other stuff to get done while we're in Denver.
So we'll have to do I'll have to I'm gonna
do some audio catch up with Craig Grieler on Cover
two about that pro.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
Everyon want to have the game broadcast on and then
also have the radio on. Paul's doing play by play.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
Paul, No, no, that's AQ. That is the first second.

Speaker 4 (56:52):
But here's the problem, as we wrap this up, Paul
doesn't know who's gonna be on defense and there's twelve defenders.

Speaker 3 (56:59):
He's he's all preparing for twelve of you are actually
going to be more prepared for this.

Speaker 4 (57:03):
He's going to be sweating. He's going to be like,
I'm preparing for twelve guys. How am I supposed to
just deal with this?

Speaker 2 (57:08):
Wait till AQ sees the spotting board with one hundred
and eighty players on it. Okay, that that's when you
know it's the preseason. By the way, a Q, I
hope you know the rule book cold. Okay, I'm counting
on you for the minutia of the game. That'll do
it for this edition of Cardinals Underground, brought to you
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