May 20, 2025 • 54 mins
Darren Urban acerbic and caustic? Never. (Or maybe never a doubt.) But that’s what Paul Calvisi and Dani Sureck deal with as our trio discuss Marvin Harrison’s new physique and how that (and other things) can help him improve in his second NFL season, the consequences of a back-loaded schedule, a preseason practice in Denver, if Jonathan Gannon might adjust his preseason playtime philosophy, the Niners paying their guys and Brock Purdy in particular, the NFC West early handicapping, Getting Cultured about schedule release content, flag football in the Olympics, more Winning (and non-winning) behavior, Budda Baker and the Cardinals growing closer, and a touching story about Paul’s early days as a gym guy.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
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Speaker 2 (00:35):
Touchdown, Tyler Murray. That defender is in multiple pieces.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
All that was nasty right there?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Rights slam the ground by fooda baker like a torpedo.
He came flying into the backfield. I ain't scared of nobody.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Here's Paul Calvic.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
All right, Danny. I'm not sure if you're aware, but
we have a you and I specifically the two of us.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Oh yes, beef.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
What are we beefing about?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Uh? He's seated right between us. I'm just gonna tell
you right now. The scounter report says we've got a
highly caffeinated Darren Urban joining us on this edition of
Cardinals Underground, brought to you by Pacific Office Automation. Go ahead,
you're I've had like two SIPs, two SIPs or two
or two pots? Are you sure about that? You are?
I mean you you are more overly caffeinated than Ron Wolfley.
(01:29):
You are regular season ready right now.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
You want to know what it is, Paul, I took
a vacation day for Thursday, and we already were going
to have the long weekend Friday Monday, so this is
basically my Thursday afternoon. So I'm I'm excited.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Well, based on the early returns, you're peaking too early, Darren.
You better pace yourself at this point. That's all I'm saying.
So head on a swivel, Danny, because at any moment,
I'm just telling you right now, we might catch a
stray or two from Darren's.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
On what we heard from Darren before we started recording,
it would not surprised.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Me the acerbic and costing Darren urban on this edition
of Cardinal's Underground. We'll see if he lights the lamp
that remains to be seen.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
First of all, I'm always a cerbic and caustic.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Nobody's winning the offseason though, Darren. Sorry, we're not giving
you the Rex Ryan Award. For the first time ever,
we might actually give the Rex Ryan Award to a
player instead of an actual organization or team or GM,
and that player might be Marvin Harrison Junior at this
point gaining steam Danny thumbs up or thumbs down?
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Thumbs up?
Speaker 3 (02:31):
First of all, doesn't if only.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Those thumbs had muscles then it would be more apropos.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Yeah, that was kind of a isn't the Rex Ryan Award?
Isn't that a little bit of a backhanded compliment a
little bit? And I think we needed a little bit
a front handed compliment for Marvin Harrison.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
The acerbic and caustic Rex Ryan once upon a time
declared the Bills the winner of the offseason, literally said it,
proclaimed himself and then they won four games and he
got canned. So ever since we've awarded.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
It, I feel good that Marvin is not going to
get canned because.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
It is a before and after, is it not. I
mean it does.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Seem that way, right, he has put on some muscle.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
But see, here's here's how I'm looking at this. And
I know there was some jokes about like he kept
talking about naturally kind of happened, and how his confidence
is going to go up. That's naturally gonna happen. I
do think there's a certain amount when we talk about
that year two jump for all the players, right, like,
isn't some of it just gonna happen quote unquote naturally?
(03:31):
Now it's not naturally. There's a lot of work that
goes into it. But essentially, you're talking about having these
guys under NFL trainers for a whole year when they
come in not really knowing what they're doing the previous year.
With all due respect to Ohio State and whatever neo
pro work that they got going in a in a
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place like Ohio State, it's still gonna be different. It
reminds me a little bit of like, you know, I've
been around high school basketball for a number of years
because of my kids, and it reminds me so much
every year when the season starts. After watching the freshman
team the whole year, and then I see him the
next year and like ninety percent of the kids are
still the same kids, but I recognize none of them
(04:13):
because the maturation between freshman and sophomore year, I think
is more than almost any other year. For me, what
I've watched these high school kids and it's a little
bit of that. I mean, obviously, you know these guys
are adults that come in, but Marvin Harrison is still
only twenty two years old. I'm like, they're still filling out.
That is happening that maybe that's just what we're catching
a little bit of.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Or maybe it's a fact he's teammates with Yelda Froholt,
mister protein himself, so he just went over to Yeld
to Froholt and then boom, there you go.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
There is a natural maturation at such a young age.
And I think two is part of what Harrison was
saying about his play on the field and where he
hopes to make a jump from year one to year two,
which is not just focusing on what his specific role is,
but having a broader approach, so his route, his role
on a given play, what progression is that for his quarterback?
(05:03):
What is the defense showing him? What is he expecting
the defense to do to defend him? Where is year one? Understandably,
So it was pretty much, this is what I need
to do. That's what I'm going to focus on. Now
that he has that foundation, it's opening up mentally, what
can he do to maybe not manipulate right, but be
the defender a little better, be a little trickier to defend.
(05:23):
And when you already have that foundation that has been
set for year one, it also allows him to focus
on other things, and this case, putting on some more
muscle and living in the weight room this offseason.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
I thought the point he made about the understanding the
bigger picture within the plays was really important from the
standpoint of there's been a lot of conversation of Marvin
had a good rookie year. Why didn't he have a
great rookie year? And was it on Marvin or was
it on Drew Petsying what he was doing with him,
and was it on Kyler Murray? Whatever? And it's kind
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of a moot point to me.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
But you know what, the answer to your question is
really all the above.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Of course, of course, there's always things, and there's a
there's a learning curve for everything. We're talking about Marvin's
learning curve. There was still going to be a learning
curve for Kyler Murray. And I don't care how much
time you get in the off season throwing on air,
there's still a learning curve of throwing to Marvin Harrison
in real games, there's still a learning curve of Drew
Petsing trying to figure out what is going to be
best for Marvin Harrison overall. I mean, I think again,
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it all plays into that. And also secondarily when we
talk about this muscle and this is of course, uh,
you have to play within perspective of wide receiver versus
defensive line. But who had more gains this offseason? Darius
Robinson or Marvin Harrison. Boy, I've been.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Seen, I mean, how many specific weight numbers, So it's
all subjective.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Darius Robinson told me his weight's the same his.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Usual I mean, come on, really on that one.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
That's what he told me.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
There's a lot of things, well most everything I'm unqualified
to speak on from an expert perspective. But here's my
take on muscle game. Here we go. It was I
was in my early twenties. It was my second job.
It was kalamazoo Michigan kazu as the locals call it.
And there's really only two ways to get through a kazu.
Winner One you go to the bar, or number two,
you go to the gym, And so I did the
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latter and it was a powerhouse gym, and it was
full of muscleheads in there. And they stopped me about
three weeks in and they said, CALVICI, eighty percent of
lifting is eating. You're going nowhere, what are you doing?
What are you eating? And so if he did change
his diet, it is plausible, it is feasible, It is
truly possible that he had all these gains. The better
(07:37):
news is now when they come up, press man, he's
much more equipped. Right, So when Derek Stingley Junior comes
up and it's Cardinals at Houston or I don't know,
Devin Witherspoon is Seattle twice a year, two time All Pro,
two times, you know, two years in the league. Oh,
you're going to Denver for a joint just by the way,
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and you're matched up against the NFL defensive player of
the year, Patrick Surtan. The second all of a sudden,
I would guess he's that much more equipped from year
one to year two to get off the press and
within those first five yards get off me. Right from what.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
We saw year one with those contested catches, Harrison has
the ability to time it well with Kyler. Murray has
the ability to track the ball to have that catch
radius to bring it in. Now he adds the muscle
to be tougher to get that ball from or to
break it up, and that is going to be huge
when you're having to make a transition from year one
to year two and consistently be a number one receiver.
(08:37):
My follow up question to you, Paul, is, after that
person at the gym said that to you, did you
go to the gym lesson, go to the bar more.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
That's what I was saying to see. Well, and then
I had to go to the grocery store more, and
I despise. I loathe the grocery store. So it really
was a conundrum. I probably just kept doing what I
that I've always done, and that is go to the
gym and get no gains.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
The thing about you know, exercising and changing your body,
whether it is gaining muscle or people trying to lose weight,
it's all eighty percent eating. And that's the worst part.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yes, as my close buddies that my lifelong buddies will say,
you go to the gym. That's the way of rubbing
it in that I get.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
No, what do you got a bunch of muscleheads?
Speaker 2 (09:18):
For return on investments.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
So is it bad that I've just been craving a
milkshake today saying I should not get a milkshake after work?
Speaker 3 (09:26):
But no, I think you should.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Don't forget the four seas. The four seas when it
comes to Marvin Harrison Junior, And if you've forgotten those,
copper is not one of them. It's carrots, it's contested. Hello,
it's also chemistry. So when we're citing all the factors
that could play into him having a breakout year two,
let's not forget what Kyler said at the end of
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last season. This was going into week seventeen. I went
found the quote Kyler on his connection with Marvin quote,
we have to get better. It's not where he wants
it to be. It's not where I want it to be.
It's not where this team needs it to be. I
haven't lost any confidence. Oh, which, by the way, is
our four Sea confidence, to go along with consistency was
the other one.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
You can only do so much in the offseason at
this point, which is routes on air. There's no defender
in Kyler Murray's face. There's no defender pressing up against
Marvin Harrison junior. What Harrison did say in his press
conference this week, though, is you can in this time
get the timing of the route so precise that you
could do it with your eyes closed.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
I do like the confidence part, which which translates over
to Drew Terrell's thing at the end of last season. Yes,
you got to go out on the field and tell
it and let everybody know that you're bleeping mf ing
Marvin Harrison caustic abrasive, Darren Irvan a cerviic.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
I tried to clean it up. I tried, and Darryl
Scott's compelled to go there. As he takes another sip,
somebody might want to take Darren's car keys at this point.
The way this thing is is tracking. Here's the thing.
Here's my question. This is a genuine question. I wanted
to ask Marvin Harrison Junior this question, and I chickened out.
That's the fifth seed chicken.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Oh, it's gonna be a UFO question.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
How do you practice contested catches? Oh you don't, Nope.
I remember back in the day how terrified all the
dbs were of even touching Larry Fitzgerald. All thou shalt
not touch the franchise to begin with. You think a
corner's gonna come in and start, you know, Cardinals corner
trying to make the team all of a sudden, he's
gonna mess with the franchise first of all.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
And this goes back big picture again. I mean, right
now they're in Phase two stuff, which offense and defense
can't even be on the same field when they're on
the field. When they get to OTAs phase three, they
can be in mini camp, they can be eleven on eleven.
But the rules say, forget, forget worrying about injuries something.
The rules say there's to be no contact between offensive
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and defense. And you're you're certainly not supposed to jump
in the air and have any contact.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
And doesn't that go for the first five days of
training camp? Now, yes, so thou shalt not touch that
teammate during a practice. So it's really difficult. I mean,
how is he supposed to get better at contested catches
if that's one of the big keys to this season?
Is Jonathan gannon Maniasaft. Do they have a meeting in
the draft room and say, okay, organizational decision, We're gonna
(12:17):
let Max Melton and Sean Murphy bunting and Will Johnson
start shoving and chucking and messing with Marvin Harrison Junior
during Cardinals camp to get a more regular season ready.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Here's a story. I think we're far enough removed that
I can tell it.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
I have the caffeine talking right now.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Happened to be we're probably or probably a decade decade
out there. There was an off season. There was an
off season thing going on. I need a drink, and
there were no media out there, but I happened to
be out there taking pictures and Patrick Peterson was on
the team, and there was a there was a long pass,
a bomb thrown and Patrick he was going against some
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receiver that never made the team, and the ball was
more or less overthrown, but Patrick basically ran the route.
So as the ball is coming down, it looked like
Patrick was the receiver because he was behind the wide receiver,
and the wide receiver was so desperate to try and
break it up that he lunged at the very end,
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and as the ball came in, he essentially tackled Patrick.
I have never heard. This was before music was being
played out there, so it was already I've never heard
a more quiet thing with ninety guys and coaches out
there in the field, and it was just and then
all of a sudden, an assistant coach, it wasn't even
the head coach. The assistant coach started screaming at the
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receiver and I'm like, now, Patrick was fine. Everything was okay.
But it goes back to your point, like you you'd
be very careful out there.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
So when you're try and assess Marvin Harrison Junior and
what's coming this year, because it's starting to generate a
lot of buzz, even the national media starting to get
in on at the fantasy all people are starting. It
is amazing the depth to which the fantasy football media
will drill deep into the analytics. For example, they had
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some stat this is a fantasy football thing on ESPN
that he was only in motion last year seven or
eight times, less than ten times. You can count how
many times, and Marvin Harrison Junior went in motion on
two hands. So does that change? Because there was a
comedy made going into Week eighteen last year about how
he had run some different routes in Week seventeen at
the Rams, and he had a pretty good game against
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the Rams. So all right, do they use him differently.
Is he a different body type he is? You know
how much more equipped is he mentally? After grown men
like Jalen Ramsey would come up and chuck him and
talk trash to him the entire game, even though he
got the best of them in the second half of Miami.
But you know, I think I'm guessing. And then when
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he admitted to Kyler Murray after the end of the season,
you know, a week one was awful fast, that was
moving at a really quick rate. And then this is
my own theory, and that is Danny We've talked about.
This is today's defensive coordinator disguises coverage at such an
elite level that it really makes receivers think. And didn't
Marvin make a comment about that that he's much more
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equipped to know. Okay, he's running the route, but how
should I sort of nuance the route based on the
coverage I'm seen? And you know, what you see pre
snap is vastly different most of the time than what
you see post snap.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
That's the natural progression of year one to year two
for any player in any position, but really for a receiver.
For what Harrison was saying of it's not just him
now It is all the moving pieces. It is what
is this defense disguising? What can I do differently to
make sure that I have a better chance at winning
this one on one matchup. It was interesting hearing the
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difference of Harrison saying, you know, week one, the game
felt really fast, and then when he was talking about
how weird it was being inside State Farm Stadium when
the Wildcard game was moved between the rams and the vikings,
and how was being in his stadium, not being the
one playing a game, but from the suites where he
was watching the game. How slow it felt when you're
watching it felt so different than when you're the one
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down there on the field. There is going to be
improvement because that is what happens year one to year two.
And then you pair in the natural ability, you pair
in the work ethic, You pair in the consistency and
the chemistry that Harrison's been working on with his teammates
his offseason. You can't argue that a jump is not
expected in year two.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Last thing I'll say in this and this to me
maybe was the biggest money comment from him, is when
he said, there is an opportunity for me to flip
the switch to on a little bit more this year.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
He was talking about the mfing Marvin Harrison there, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
The mentality, Yes, your question about what Drew Trrell said.
And to me, he doesn't have a wide receiver one,
you know, like Layer did when Ankwon was there, you know,
at the very beginning. Even Frank Sanders said I had
robbed Moore back in the day. He doesn't have that,
but he doesn't have Trey McBride. Yeah, and nobody quite
flips the switch like Trade McBride on game day. He
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is a totally different dude on game day. And his
yards after the catch obviously some of the best in
the league. So if there's someone that Marvin Harrison can
emulate this year, I think it's his tight end.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
And I think it's interesting that you bring that up,
because again, did we see and I know there was
a lot going on at the time, but I didn't
notice that switch for Trade McBride when he was a rookie. True,
you need that first year to be comfortable, just like
anything else, like well, thank you. I just feel like
you get to that second year that confidence and I
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know Marv said it was natural, like I do think
it's going to be easier to flip a switch. Now again,
you don't all of a sudden become a different person.
Your personality is what it is. But when you gain
that confidence and you start thinking, I am McBride.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
Talked about that confidence jump as well.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Yeah, so, I mean I think again, I've been saying
this all off season. People want to know, Hey, are
they going to sign another receiver? What are they going
to do at receiver? Or that. I still think the biggest,
most important thing that they have going at receiver is
Martin picking that jump. And there is nothing that has
made me thought made me think that that jump isn't coming.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
All right, schedule release, we haven't talked about it here
on Cardinals Underground. We've provided plenty of other content around
the schedule. But likes, dislikes, concerns, Where is there trepidation,
where you bullish? What stands out.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
The schedule itself?
Speaker 3 (18:21):
For the schedule, We're we're not going to step on you, Danny.
We know some things coming, don't we.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Oh, I was just talking. I don't know if we're
talking about the Cardinals schedule.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Talk we're talking about the Cardinals schedule.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
Okay, we're clearly confused, but I'm on the same page
as you now. The schedule itself.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
There is beef between Paul and Danny.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
I can just se No, the beef was between with
Paul and I against you.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Is that what it was?
Speaker 4 (18:43):
Yes, well, we were.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Just on edge a little bit. We were wondering, you
know what's coming?
Speaker 4 (18:46):
So okay, anyway back to the schedule. The first half
is as manageable as you could expect it to be
this early in the off season. You open a season
on the road in New Orleans against a team with
a first year head coach, a team that has questions
at quarterback after Derek Carr retire two weeks ago. Then
you have your your home opener the falling week in Carolina.
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That's back to back weeks against teams who had five
wins last season. It gets interesting the first of two
primetime games at Thursday night game against Seattle and then
you play the forty nine ers right after, and so
having back to back divisional games, you're obviously going to
have to be on your a game the first half
of the season. The Cardinals face one team in their
first twelve games that made the playoffs last year. Wow,
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and that's Green Bay and then it's a switch of
the flip flip of the switch. There we go the
second half of the season after the bye week, because then.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
You're faced somebody. Switch. Here we go.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
You face the Rams for the first time in Week fourteen,
and of their final six games, four of those are
on the road.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
It does.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
Four of those are against teams who made the playoffs
last year, and you're facing two quarterbacks who have dominated
the month of December. Matthew Stafford as a Ram is
thirteen and one and Joe Burrow at the Bengals is
ten and three. I believe off the top of my head.
So it's going to be a tough back half of
the schedule for a Cardinals team that last year was
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two and seven after the bye week, two and seven
on the road after the bye week. This is an
opportunity to change the narrative and not only start the
season fast, but finish it fast and strong as well.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Yeah, if you make the postseason, you're gonna be playoff
ready based on your last two games. If you make
the postseason, Cincinnati on the road, Rams on the road
the way they finished the last two years against those quarterbacks.
As you pointed out, I mean you will be playoff right.
Let's say the Cardinals make the playoffs. Sad don't nine
and eight, ten and seven. Let's just say they get in.
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I mean, look out. I mean just you will feel
like you're playoff ready based on those two assignments at
the very end of the year, presuming you get their best.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
I was gonna say, and even if you get their best,
I mean, if you go ten and seven, but you
go into those games ten and five and you lose
them both and you don't play well, I don't think
it's I think I think there's nuanced in terms of
I think it helps you're playing those teams if there's
something on the line. I just it's interesting to me
the back half of the schedule, given how the back
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half of schedules have gone for this franchise, and I
think that's going to be crucial. And what it really
does to me is, no matter well, obviously they start poorly,
that's a whole different thing. But assuming they can start
well against the schedule, it's it's not going to there's
still going to be people waiting to see what the
back half looks like, no matter how well they play
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in the front half. You're right because of history.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Yep, yep, you're right. I mean it won't be until
the holidays till people actually are Okay, Now we can
start rendering a conclusion to decisions, some sort of analysis
on the Cardinals when you see them against the the
You know, by the way, it's never too early to
get ready for Week one and scout your upcoming opponent,
the New Orleans Saints. I just saw it. Thought i'd
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throw out there, four different quarterbacks that are going to
get reps for new head coach Kellen Moore.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Well, if we're talking early, I mean, let's go a
little earlier than that. And it's come out that the
Cardinals are going to have a joint practice again this year.
They have one road game in the preseason that's in Denver,
so they're going to have one joint practice session with
the Broncos a couple days before that game, so they
will once again be able to practice against another team,
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the four straight year they're doing that.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
I should clarify it was two and five. I went
and looked, not two and seven, two and five after
the buying on the road. On that note, though, with preseason,
what's interesting is the Chiefs are the first preseason opponent
for the Cardinals, and head coach Andy Reid is known
for playing his starters in the preseason.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
We've seen that.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
The Cardinals are not. Does that change Week one? Does
that change when you have so many new faces, mostly
on the defense of wanting to get them some looks,
maybe they play a few more snaps than they would otherwise,
get some looks against some really good starters in the league.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
I mean, last year, Marvin Erson Junior got three snaps,
got the one series that was mostly.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
To just go through the motions of a game day
and getting dressed.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
In the timing, Darius Robinson I think got a dozen snaps,
might have been.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Ten well, and then after he had a good game,
that was the last.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Yep, so really was the last we saw them, okay?
Speaker 2 (23:27):
And so now so now Walter Nolan, Walter Nolan the third,
is he going to get more snaps based on that?
Because the last year, does Marvin Errison Junior actually get
snaps in year two much more than he did as
a rookie because he wants to get some experience, you know,
maybe some contested catches and targets.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
It spreads out like if we're under the assumption that
rookie linebacker Cody Simon ends up becoming a starter and
ends up having the green dot on his helmet and
calling the defense. Do you want him out there next
to a mac Wilson senior by a Buddha Baker or
Jalen Thompson to work with the chemistry and the communication
and the being able to tell the defense what the
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game plan is and make sure everybody's in their spot.
It spreads out beyond just an individual player or rookie
in the situation.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
It's always interesting me. JG makes it clear a lot
of the time that they look over a lot of
different stuff all the time from year to year to
see if they change. Could the preseason cadence of how
they play guys, could that change or be tweaked it all?
I don't know. It's a good question.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Remember to ask JG that question, right, Okay, preseason.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
I'm sure he's gonna be I he'll give you the
think there's a chance he's going to talk next week.
You can ask him that question.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
I'm sure he'll give us preseason straight answer.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
And then he did say they were going to assess
the off season or at least assess what happened after
the bye to your point, Danny, the win loss record,
and could they change anything in that regard. Not sure
how much he's gonna be willing to share of the
conclusions they came to. But as I think about that,
what do you think, is it time do you get cultured?
I think it is all right, Danny take it away.
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Danny will segue to you getting cultured with Danny.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
It is not just directed at.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Paul am I the default uncultured philistine around here.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Yes, he got me very excited.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
Now I am on social media and consume more at
pop culture than both of you combined.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
I think I'm being unfairly profiled, But go.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Ahead, let's go. There was no other topic for me
to start getting cultured with this week. Then the fact
that reportedly Bill Belichick is engaged to his girlfriend Jordan Hudson. Yes,
his girlfriend, the forty nine year age difference Mazeltov has
not been confirmed. It's just been reported as of Tuesday. Okay,
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he's off the market.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
I saw a tweet today that said, I want to
go back to the time where all I knew about
Bill Belichick was that he liked.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Lacrosse, Okay, so who leaked the news? Was it were
the people who are in the will, the Belichick family will?
Did they leak the news? That's what I want to know.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
I believe that somebody who covers the Patriots and likely
had a connection with Belichick. And then I also saw
online that Jordan Hudson herself reportedly told someone in her
inner circle that they were engaged. She might want to
reassess who was in her inner circle of that is true.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Yeah, if you're a member of his direct family and
you were previously in the will, be afraid, be very afraid.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
Maybe the fact that she was getting so much flack
for not being an employee is like, Okay, we'll just
make you my wife and then nobody can say anything.
Just kidding, I'm sure this is all about love and
no other ulterior motives. Next, on getting Cultured schedule released videos.
It feels like it's been forever because it was the
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end of last week and there was just so much
to consume. I do want to talk about some of
my favorites, though, and I'm not sure that you guys
have gone through as many of the video is that
I did ten bars, My favorite by the Cardinals. That
was very nicely done. I'm not including that because we've
had so many conversations we have that we're gonna look at.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
At Rochester and whenever we're talking about eighteen bars, yes,
the light comes up.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
Indianapolis Colts they did minecraft, although it was deleted reportedly
because of issues with Microsoft, the partner, So that I
very much believe could be real if if you don't
have approval from a partner, that could be problematic. Although
it's so interesting. The Colts typically are one of the
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more friendly teams on social media, and they just went
one to eighty and some of the jabs they took
of their opponents. So week one they played the Dolphins
and they had Tyreek Hill as a Dolphin getting arrested
by the coastguard. Now they did apologize and Tyreek Hill
said that he was totally cool, that it was fun.
It was just an interesting take by the Colts that's
not usually their voice. They took a risk.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
So we all know how much work goes into these
schedule release projects. Oh yes, and so if you have
to delete it within hours of it being released, is
that a kin to like working on your thesis? And
then the computer eats it. It gets just just gets deleted,
and you have nothing to show for all that work.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
They had a few other videos on other platforms. The
Chargers also did Minecraft, and their attention to detail every
year is so spectacular. And I'm going to call out
one team in particular that the Chargers play the Cowboys
and inside at and T Stadium. I don't know if
you guys picked up on all the little details.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
The first thing that happened didn't, but then I saw
people pointing them out.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
They had a piece of the roof falling on the
jumbo tron. They had the mass fan that was kicked
out of a game months ago because during karaoke when
he came on the JumboTron, he started mouthing fire Nico.
That was the fan on the JumboTron. And on the
other side it said defense wins Championships. And lastly, it
ended with DeMarcus Lawrence. He's now in Seattle and Micah
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Parson's going back and forth with their Twitter beef about
Tank wanting to go win. He wasn't gonna win in Dallas.
Attention to detail by the Chargers is always top notch.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
On Schedulease, I mean yeah, if you if you can
get by in from the powers that be, the trolling
is really nice.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Didn't hold your attention though I was three and a
half four minutes in. I bailed a lot of them
get pretty long.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Yeah, And I will say with the Chargers, I thought
they did excellent with like those little Easter egg things.
But the Minecraft thing doesn't hold me in it like
that's fair. The anime stuff like moved at the speed
of light.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
So it was like, yeah, okay, Kansas City Chiefs, you
guys know I love some game show. Network they had
their version of Cash Cab with Ben Bailey from the
original Cash Cab driving their van and the question.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Cash Cab, I'm playing a lot of that's a double ding, Danny.
Here we go going it to you.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
Though, Paul before I have explained it to you. So
I did appreciate that. The Tennessee Titans, it was so original.
I don't know how they thought of its schedule, Rizzy.
It was a playoff a popular medication commercial that plays
over and over, and as they were showing the opponents,
different side effects were being mentioned based on the opponent
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clever and then just quickly a few more the Chicago
Bears based on New Girl, the sitcom. If you don't
watch it, probably wasn't very funny. I did watch that show,
so I thought it was clever. Their their copy and
their captions was really clever. If you're a fan of
the show. The Bills Ai, I did like the Bills
one Alan I versus my list.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
I gotta go find that one. That guy, that's fine.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
Josh Allen's always involved, always very diverse. The Minnesota Vikings.
I did confirm the tattoos that the fans got were real,
real tattoos by diehard Vikings fans for the opponents they
were playing, which is impressive. New York Giants also TV show.
If you didn't watch Love Island, you probably didn't think
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it was funny. If you did watch Love Island, very funny,
very well.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
Schedule videos were made for Danny the Jets was impressive.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
It was the endless score. Were you zoom into a
different art and I don't. You don't get the schedule
until a couple hours before, so how they were able
to put that in order and then film somebody with
their fingers zooming in very impressive. And last but not least,
because we've talked about him on getting culture before the
Jags had Ashton Hall and his routine that starts at
three point thirty in the morning and he's dunk in
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his face in the ice bucket. So all in all,
pretty good year for schedule release videos. A lot of
cultural Easter eggs thrown in there.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
I didn't need to ask you, Danny. You mentioned that
the Colts are normally friendly. What about Blue in particular?
Speaker 4 (31:33):
Not very friendly?
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (31:35):
I would willing. I would have been willing to squash
the beef over like a stein of beer if we
had been playing them in Germany. But now that we're not,
I don't know how I'm going to approach seeing him
in Indianapolis. If I'm going to be friendly, if I'm
going to try to get back at him. It is
still options. We're still on the table.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Who's got bigger beef? You with Blue or Matthew with
the Dolphin mascot.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
I don't know that's a good question. Well, you both
have been culture now, so.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Are you welcome?
Speaker 2 (32:01):
All right, very well done. I do have beef with
Atlanta though, five the City of Atlanta, five primetime games
for the Falcons. They had the same record as the Cardinals.
They don't have a household name at quarterback. How many
fans can name more than two players off the Falcons.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
Five prime time games against They're not a very good division,
not playing.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Not our game, So I don't you know, I mean,
I always put the Seahawks at the top of the list,
you know, teams you want to jack stop. Atlanta is
sort of a low key one here. Just I got
them marked down here for that at home game December
twenty first, right before the holidays, So boom merry Christmas time, yes, exactly.
Speaking of opponents, what do you guys make the forty
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nine ers just giving out record contract extensions one after another.
If it's not Brock Purdy, it's Fred Warner, Because apparently
Fred Warner had fallen behind average annual value of Rokwan Smith,
so they redid his deal, tore it up with two
or three years to go, and they put them a
million ahead per year of Roquwan's Smith, and then Brock
Purty five years, two hundred and sixty five million. George
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Kittle now slightly ahead of Trey McBride, highest paid tight
end in the league. I mean, Darren, you're over there
on some of those you know, financial sites sort of
spot track and all that kind of stuff. Over the cap?
How valuable is this? How long before the forty nine
ers of the New Orleans Saints and there's seventy plus
million over the cap? Please tell me soon?
Speaker 3 (33:25):
I don't. I mean, it's gonna depend on who else
that they want to bring in, and they're they're gonna
be it's gonna be a little bit more difficult roster wise,
and they better hit on draft picks. But that's every team.
You know, the party, the party contract isn't over the top.
It's it's probably par for the course, and it's it's
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not horrific. And the reality is is at this point
that CAP's gonna keep going up too. I mean, party
is gonna be essentially he's gonna be eventually Kyler Murray.
I mean everybody was like, oh my god, you're giving
Kyler Murray all that at forty six million dollars average
and he's what thirteenth on the list now fifteenth on
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the list, Like this is this is what happens. I
understand the people that were saying, are do you buy
into Brock party? But to me, it was either all
or nothing. You're you're either keeping Brock purty at a
contract like this or you're moving on from him. If
you're going to keep them, this is what he was
going to get paid. And with the forty nine ers
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and the way they operate a he's shown that he
can do the job with Kyle Shanahan and b again,
what do they do if they move on from him?
Like this idea where you're just throw it away? I
get it, there's people there's an argument to be made,
like you unless you know, you get you have a
Joe Burrow or a Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson. You
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get rid of your guy after he gets off his
Riki contract and you move on, okay, But then but
then you're bottoming out again.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Not to mention that John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan have
their jobs right now because of brock Party because he
saved both of them from this disaster that was the
Trey Lance deal.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Now, I don't you're not paying a guy because of that.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
There's gratitude in there, but you really you really think
that it could have been more contentious than it was.
I mean for them to automatically exceed fifty million a
year easily for Yeah, I mean, well, see to me,
definitely make an argument he doesn't belong quite in that class,
and too is making fifth more and look how that's
working out.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
I mean, again, you're not wrong, but it's either that
or not, Like could it have been more contentious? The
only way you cannot go to brock party and say
we want to give you forty million dollars a year.
We don't think you're that good. You can't do it.
You cannot do it. It's either all in or not in.
I don't I don't even think you're You're never gonna
see the light of day. And and and if you
do that, you're gonna piss him off. Why would you
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want to do that?
Speaker 4 (35:58):
Well, to mention, they haven't paid him any money the
last four years.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Yeah, there were seasons he made less than a million
dollars a year and he had that roommate until recently, right, which, Look,
the long term answer for the forty nine ers is
you better hope they draft well. And if you look
at their last few draft classes, they exactly been bountiful.
You know it's not the you know, them finding Fred
Warner in the third round was like so four years ago,
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and look what happened to some of those guys.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Yeah, Seattle was in a great place because they got
Russell Wilson at a cheap contract early, and when they
paid him, they were still in a place where they
had had those couple of great draft classes, especially the
Richard Sherman win. But eventually they had bad draft classes
and it broke them. Essentially.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Here's what's crazy is to me, at least you guys
agree or disagree, and I know you will. Right now,
Vegas has the forty nine ers as the slight betting
favorite to win the NFC West.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Are you surprised a little bit?
Speaker 2 (36:58):
I mean, I would think it would be the Rams,
just based on the way the Rams finished last year
in the run they gave the Eagles in Philly in
the snow, but.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
You could you could make and again, the forty nine
ers this year are way different than the forty nine
ers were last year. But you could make the argument
that the only reason the forty nine ers finished where
they were was because of injuries. And you're not You're
assuming those injuries aren't going to crun.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
But look some of the losses they've suffered as well.
Look at the stage of the offensive line beyond Trent Williams.
I guess I'm looking at them a little differently, like
even the over under on wins Niners at ten and
a half, Rams at nine and a half, Seattle seven
and a half. But then again, the analytics say the
Niners are going to play the easiest schedule, not only
in the league this year, but like the easiest going
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into a season based on the win loss records from
the year before. Since twenty fifteen. They don't even play
a playoff team in last eight ten games so games.
It's crazy how easy their schedule is, at least as
it stands now.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Well, like if we're talking about the Cardinals being a
potential playoff team, I mean, that's yeah, it's somebody they're
going to be playing on this Now. Again, they're not
going to be the playoff tem this year, but you know,
I'm guessing the forty nine Ers would much rather play
last year's Cardinals than this year's Cardinals. And last year's
forty nine Ers got swept by last year's Cardinals.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Speaking to quarterback Kyler Murray the softball game, did I
hear nobody went yard? Really? Even the former first round
pick nobody cleared the fence. It was a football game.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
The ones there was one, and I admitted I left
a couple of innings early. But the last time Kyler
was up, he was definitely trying to go yard and
when he first hit it, I thought for sure it
was going to clear, and it ended up being like
two feet short. And fortunately, whoever the team that was
in the field, they actually had a guy in left
field that could play, because not all of them could.
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There's some unbelievable football players that were in that game
that cannot play soft.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Try and track a fly ball not that easy.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
But I really enjoyed it because our social director Emma
Kramer was shooting it from we were standing in we
were standing in left field, so we're watching. We're right
behind the fence and she's got it on video and
as soon as he hit it, you can hear or go,
oh my god, like it was going to come and
get us, and then it just fell short. And I'm like,
you got to post that. That's good stuff. No, I
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don't think he did, but it was. You know, you
could tell that Kyler Murray had played baseball. There was
he made a couple of plays a short or I'm like, okay, yeah,
that wasn't bad.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Yeah, yeah, you can tell right away. Trey McBride right,
home run champ in high school. So those are my
two ringers that you know, I forecasted would show pretty well.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
But what they play softball? But how many of them
can play flag football?
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Good question, good segue. Buddha Baker at the Pro Bowl.
He's done that, by the way, to Buddhist say to
the media he would be interested in the twenty twenty
eight Olympics or did he sort of defer?
Speaker 3 (39:44):
He kind of defer. But the reality is is I'm
thinking they're going to be going with somebody younger at
that point. I mean we are talking about, yeah, three
years from now.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
I'm just curious if he had interest in it because,
I mean, to a lot of athletes, it does resonate
playing for your country.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
Yes, Justin Jefferson said that when the announcement happened, is
basically like it's a dream come true for him. So
he is somebody who obviously wants to do it.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
I mean, look at like Devin Booker and Kevin Durant
this last year last summer, for example, I mean, it
was very meaningful to.
Speaker 4 (40:15):
Them, and that's an organization. I mean, the sport of
basketball has a rich history of playing for this country
in the Olympics, and this is really the first time
that NFL players football players could have that opportunity. It
was approved by a NFL league owners on Tuesday that
NFL players can play flag football in the LA Summer Olympics.
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I'm just so intrigued as we get closer the logistics
of all of that, not I mean beyond just tryouts
and picking a team and how many players or if
there's gonna be limits of how many players per NFL team,
or if it's a complete free for all. Right, like
what players are really good on the football field and
it might not translate to flag football, But the contracts
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is so interesting. I mean, Rock Party got a no
trade clause in his contract. Are we going to start
seeing contracts that are going to have some sort of
clause around flag football?
Speaker 3 (41:08):
First of all, I think they already do. And the
step that we're talking about right now, which happened before
we got on the air today, was that the owners
okayed that this could happen. It is not a done deal.
There are still hurdles that have to be hurdled by
with the NFLPA, with insurance, all these things. This is
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not a done deal to the point where it's like, okay,
now we can just start naming guys that could go
start doing this because there are things that have to
do with that. You know, you have to I mean,
right now, if you are an NFL player and you're
working out at your house to get ready for the
NFL season, and you're doing all these same things that
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you would do, but you can't do it at the
facility because the rules say no, and you hurt yourself. Technically,
the team doesn't have to pay you, even if you're
training for your team, because you did it away from
the facility. That's that's this time's ten if you're talking
about playing in the Olympics. But again, these are risks
that you might have to take. I was just talking
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to my wife the other day. The Panthers, the Florida
Panthers have made it into the final four of the
NHL Playoffs. Yeah, I know whatever. I was rooting for Winnipeg. Anyways,
I noticed that Matthew Kuchuk was back on the ice
for the Panthers. He had missed most of the second
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half of the season. I don't know exactly when he
came back because he got hurt in that playing for
the USA in that tournament. He got hurt really bad
and missed significant time. And that Kevin Durant and Devin Barker,
like I said, all those guys playing the Olympics, that's
the risk you are and there is a risk that
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you would do that. So it'll be interesting to see
not only what players might want to do it, but
also how many might want to do it and then
are like, Eh, maybe this isn't worth my money, or
even college players that are now getting paid they might
not want to do it either.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
Look, it's how they're going to grow the game internationally
because you put in the Olympics. Other countries obviously can
field a team. Yes, it's just one component in growing
the game international.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
And again it's something that both genders can playp and
so you add an Olympic sport where both genders can
play it. Look, we all know where flag football is going,
Danny Paul. You guys were a big part of what
the Cardinals tried to do here last year with the
first girls flag football telecast. But it's a huge deal
for the NFL. It's a huge deal for the Cardinals
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and this is just another step there and just what
it looks like, you know, we'll find out.
Speaker 4 (43:47):
So yelled to Froholt against Darius Robinson flag Football Olympics.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
All right, you know what, just that mention right there,
I believe that would qualify as winning behaviors. Yes, yeah,
that's our Can you display winning behavior? You have to
consistently display winning behavior. That's winning behavior. You've got to.
Speaker 4 (44:09):
Define what winning behavior is and hold people to that standard.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
Yes, I'm gonna start with the Indiana Pacers. They're taking
care of one of their fans who was a Madison
Square Garden. We're in the Tyrese Haliburton jersey and he's
trying to leave and he's walking through New York and
he got pelted with garbage and he got harassed and
really accosted by a bunch of New Yorkers and the
Knicks fans. So send them. Pat McAfee found him because
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the video went viral and they brought him on the show.
And then Tyrese Haliburton showed up on the show and
on behalf of the Inana Pacers Boom. They're bringing him
out to a game, giving him some really good seats
and paying for the whole travel package if his.
Speaker 4 (44:46):
Dad can't be there cheering him on. Get a big
time Pacers fan. No, I love that. I love that
is true winning behavior of Halliburton and bringing that fan.
I mean, who does that? Why would you throw try?
I mean, I know it's New York, right, but like,
who does that?
Speaker 3 (45:01):
I'm gonna I'm gonna just you're right. It was horrible
that you would do that. My first thought was, you're
around Madison Square Garden and you're wearing a Pacers jersey.
I know, I'm like, I know, I'm like, yeah, back
in the day.
Speaker 4 (45:17):
I think everyone records everything these days.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
Back in the day. I went to a Raiders game
in Oakland and there was a guy wearing a John
Elway jersey. Didn't go well for him.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
My best friend growing up was a huge Broncos fan,
and he has lived most of his life in the
Bay Area, and he so desperately wanted to go to
all the Broncos games in Oakland and his wife said
absolutely not. He was late. His wife absolutely banned him
from going to Broncos games. He could go to a
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Broncos game if they played the forty nine ers, but
he was not allowed to go to a Raiders game.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
By the way, speaking to Indianapolis show hands, who's gonna
get up at eight am on Sunday morning and watch
the Indy five hundred?
Speaker 3 (45:58):
Really? Car Guyiley, Come on, car guy.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
I turn off the light on your behalf. That's terrible.
You know what they call it in Indy this Sunday.
You know it's gonna be It's gonna be Racers and Pacers.
It's a double header. You go in the city. Okay,
who's next? Who's Who's Who's gonna take the baton from here?
Winning behavior?
Speaker 3 (46:14):
I gotta mention I got a kick out of this
when speaking of well, I guess it's not Oakland anymore.
Former Oakland a's catcher. Now Sacramento. Are they in Sacramento
right now? I don't want to talk going to be
in Vegas. Don't want to talk about it. Johnny Parita.
They were getting smoked by the Dodgers nineteen to two recently,
and showhy had hit two home runs in this game
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and it was his bobblehead night, and so the A's
bring Johnny Pirita, who's a catcher out to pitch the
last inning and he got to face show Hey and
he struck him out and it is the best. He
strikes him out and then make sure he gets the
ball and then rolls it to so he can keep it.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
And apparently you see that he.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
Said later when he went in the game, all he
wanted to do is be able to pitch to show
Hey and to be able to strike him out. And
it is the The third strike is hilarious. It's it's
a I don't want to call it a fast sixty
one mile an hour heater it was, but it was.
It was up in the zone and Otani tried to
hit it and then we just swung right through it.
And I'm like, man, that would be, yeah, Winny, absolutely winning,
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non winning behavior with all the airport chaos we've had
last few months.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
Yeah, the I don't know if this is how breaking
news this is, but there are two hundred airport systems
still in existence that use floppy discs.
Speaker 3 (47:37):
What that's not winning behavior?
Speaker 2 (47:40):
So it doesn't really.
Speaker 4 (47:41):
Give a lot of a I wonder how many of
our listeners don't even know what a floppy disk is.
Speaker 3 (47:45):
I mean, that's a good point. Google it customer.
Speaker 2 (47:48):
Customer confidence in the skies this year is plumbinged as
we speak. Yeah, wow, that analogy non winning behavior. The
LA sportscaster, one of our brethren in La Ron Burgundy,
came home and wow, his whole back door, back patio
door was destroyed. His house was ransacked, like did a
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bear get in here? Did a sasquatch get in here?
And he turned the corner he looked in his master bedroom,
naked guy asleep in his bed.
Speaker 3 (48:18):
Jesus.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
So there was that story. It can always get worse.
So we we've had tough days as sports broadcasters around here,
not like that guy in La.
Speaker 3 (48:27):
So is that winning behavior or non winning behavior?
Speaker 2 (48:29):
Not non winning behavior?
Speaker 3 (48:30):
Okaybviously, Well, I mean it's kind of if you don't
have a bear, if it's just a.
Speaker 4 (48:33):
Guy, just makes me think of I can explain it
to you guys off air one of my favorite family
feud answers ever of all time in an episode. But
I'll say the story.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
Now I see this. The US Navy, our military lost
another f eighteen. Yeah, now that was that's number two, right, Yeah,
that's number two. Because I was saying these things happen
in threes. That wasn't the nerd. This was the number
two seventy million dollars fighter jet.
Speaker 3 (49:00):
We didn't get. We didn't get to it the last time,
so I wanted to make sure we got to it
because you had mentioned the first one.
Speaker 4 (49:06):
Right, they might find themselves to here a list of
the competence that fell.
Speaker 3 (49:09):
Into the Red Sea. Yeah, this is the second one
that fell.
Speaker 4 (49:12):
Into the believe the first time.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
Yeah, I still don't believe. I still don't believe it. Unfortunately,
I think maybe the hooties got a couple of them
and now they're just saying, oh, yeah, they fell off
the side of the carrier and plunged into the Red Sea.
There's something there if you talk about trolling and doing
a little spoof, there's something for game ops where they
should use Red Sea and like the fighter jet goes
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into the Red Sea. We don't play in New York
this year, Cardinals need to the Jets. That's right. Last year.
Speaker 3 (49:41):
One more non winning behavior. This dude who's suing the
NFL because Shudoor Sanders fell in the draft.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
Yeah, explain that police.
Speaker 3 (49:48):
Apparently, I don't know he suffered some kind of mental
distress because Shudor Sanders.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
Dropped in the draft mental or his parlay because you
can bet on where certain players go in the draft,
and maybe he suffered financial the stress.
Speaker 3 (50:01):
Amble, so I wouldn't know.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
Yeah, hmm interesting, Okay, that's pretty lame.
Speaker 3 (50:06):
Yeah that is, although I did see that he's he's
following through on it and he's asking for all this
discovery from the NFL of all these different things, and
I'm like, it's just crazy.
Speaker 2 (50:16):
Good luck with that, good good good luck with actually gain.
Speaker 3 (50:19):
Okay, and one last winning behavior. The mac Wilson schedule
video eighteen bars. Check it out if you haven't, and
if you haven't by now, it would be really surprising.
But being being a part of that whole thing was
pretty cool. And uh and.
Speaker 2 (50:30):
He so you saw you saw a lot of the
behind the scenes.
Speaker 3 (50:33):
Oh yeah, I was, I was in. I was around
for a lot of it.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
Yet, Kay, did at any point did you use the word slap?
Adrian Wilson looked at Mac Wilson Senior said, after listening
to the song, I said, that was slap.
Speaker 3 (50:44):
My favorite, my favorite part of the whole thing, and
I enjoyed a lot of different ones. After they shot
the video, parts of the video with some of the players.
I pulled the Isaiah Adams the guard aside and I said,
I just want to get your impression of what's going on.
He was giving me a couple of quotes, and part
of his what was he I said, you like to sign?
He goes, oh, yeah, he goes, it was a banger.
That's what we call it. A banger. And I'm like, okay,
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I'm not that old. I'm like, come on, oh.
Speaker 2 (51:10):
So he made sure to differentiate between us and you,
meaning we call it a banger. I'm assuming you people
outside the eighteen to thirty four demo you might not
be aware.
Speaker 3 (51:23):
A very good dude, but that was the quote that
I remember.
Speaker 2 (51:26):
M Yes, okay.
Speaker 3 (51:28):
A lot of work went into that by a lot
of people. It was a heavy lift, but it turned
out very well.
Speaker 2 (51:34):
I'll leave it with this my last comment. Some of
the best teams have been the closest teams. I've really
enjoyed each other's company. The fact that Buddha Baker said,
just because they wanted to. The DBS went bowling the
other day, and then some of the coaches showed up
the fact that at least what's struck one of the
things really struck me after watching the video eighteen bars
was how much the teammates enjoyed it. And it was
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Mac Wilson, you know in the seats and guys messing
around and the interaction with guys, and I just look,
does that translate directly into wins and losses? You'll never
be able to prove that, but I will say this,
if you don't have some of that team camaraderie, in
that chemistry, and guys don't like being around each other,
you better be really good like you might have all
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pros and pro bowlers in the late latter stages of
their careers. If you want to be a winning team.
Speaker 4 (52:22):
It also translates to accountability out on the field and
in the locker room and holding high standards for yourself
and for those around you, and for listening when somebody
is going to call you out on something. That's what
that translates too, is you're no longer just a bunch
of talented individuals. You are a talented group playing for
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each other. And that's a very physical game. So if
you're going to go out there about your body on
the line every single play, you want to go out
there and play with and four people next to you
that are doing the same, that you trust and that
you like. That you have that connection with absolutely that
can translate into the performance and the overall camaraderie and
connection of a team.
Speaker 2 (53:03):
I found it interesting. Buddha Baker offered up to the
media this week that one of the things, one of
the areas where he's evolved the most is a player,
especially as a veteran, is being forgiving of teammates when
they mess it up. He's such a perfectionist. He's so
good at his craft. Somebody blows something, whether it's an
assignment or an adjustment, and he used to get really irritated,
(53:26):
really frustrated with teammates. Sounds like, at least the way
he tells it, he's in much better place in trying
to correct.
Speaker 3 (53:33):
And you know two things on that. One that comes
with maturity. I feel like I've gotten in a better place.
I am a lot older.
Speaker 4 (53:41):
You don't yell at me as much.
Speaker 2 (53:43):
That just hurts.
Speaker 3 (53:44):
That hurts right here. The other thing I thought of
was like when Buddha made mentioned that he's still in
his twenties, Yeah, that is that's that's troubling because I'm not.
Speaker 2 (53:57):
How close is he to thirty? I forgot to look
at that up way.
Speaker 3 (54:00):
I think he turns thirty this year.
Speaker 2 (54:01):
So he's flexing that for another few months. Well, sure,
but Janny's.
Speaker 3 (54:05):
Start talking about how she's still in her twenty.
Speaker 4 (54:07):
Well January tenth, this is his birthday.
Speaker 3 (54:09):
Oh okay, so he just turned twenty nine.
Speaker 4 (54:11):
Yes, he just turned twenty nine.
Speaker 2 (54:16):
It took me a long time to say the words thirty.
Speaker 3 (54:20):
I don't even remember being thirty anymore.
Speaker 2 (54:22):
I went with like twenty nine years and seventeen months
something like that, you know, like when.
Speaker 3 (54:27):
You got a kid. How old your kid? Seventy two months? Wait,
isn't that like five years old?
Speaker 4 (54:33):
Jane, I'm not doing the math.
Speaker 2 (54:36):
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Speaker 3 (00:38):
All that was nasty right there?
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Rights slam the ground by fooda baker like a torpedo.
He came flying into the backfield. I ain't scared of nobody.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Here's Paul Calvic.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
All right, Danny. I'm not sure if you're aware, but
we have a you and I specifically the two of us.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Oh yes, beef.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
What are we beefing about?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Uh? He's seated right between us. I'm just gonna tell
you right now. The scounter report says we've got a
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you're I've had like two SIPs, two SIPs or two
or two pots? Are you sure about that? You are?
I mean you you are more overly caffeinated than Ron Wolfley.
(01:29):
You are regular season ready right now.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
You want to know what it is, Paul, I took
a vacation day for Thursday, and we already were going
to have the long weekend Friday Monday, so this is
basically my Thursday afternoon. So I'm I'm excited.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Well, based on the early returns, you're peaking too early, Darren.
You better pace yourself at this point. That's all I'm saying.
So head on a swivel, Danny, because at any moment,
I'm just telling you right now, we might catch a
stray or two from Darren's.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
On what we heard from Darren before we started recording,
it would not surprised.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Me the acerbic and costing Darren urban on this edition
of Cardinal's Underground. We'll see if he lights the lamp
that remains to be seen.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
First of all, I'm always a cerbic and caustic.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Nobody's winning the offseason though, Darren. Sorry, we're not giving
you the Rex Ryan Award. For the first time ever,
we might actually give the Rex Ryan Award to a
player instead of an actual organization or team or GM,
and that player might be Marvin Harrison Junior at this
point gaining steam Danny thumbs up or thumbs down?
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Thumbs up?
Speaker 3 (02:31):
First of all, doesn't if only.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Those thumbs had muscles then it would be more apropos.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Yeah, that was kind of a isn't the Rex Ryan Award?
Isn't that a little bit of a backhanded compliment a
little bit? And I think we needed a little bit
a front handed compliment for Marvin Harrison.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
The acerbic and caustic Rex Ryan once upon a time
declared the Bills the winner of the offseason, literally said it,
proclaimed himself and then they won four games and he
got canned. So ever since we've awarded.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
It, I feel good that Marvin is not going to
get canned because.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
It is a before and after, is it not. I
mean it does.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Seem that way, right, he has put on some muscle.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
But see, here's here's how I'm looking at this. And
I know there was some jokes about like he kept
talking about naturally kind of happened, and how his confidence
is going to go up. That's naturally gonna happen. I
do think there's a certain amount when we talk about
that year two jump for all the players, right, like,
isn't some of it just gonna happen quote unquote naturally?
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Now it's not naturally. There's a lot of work that
goes into it. But essentially, you're talking about having these
guys under NFL trainers for a whole year when they
come in not really knowing what they're doing the previous year.
With all due respect to Ohio State and whatever neo
pro work that they got going in a in a
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place like Ohio State, it's still gonna be different. It
reminds me a little bit of like, you know, I've
been around high school basketball for a number of years
because of my kids, and it reminds me so much
every year when the season starts. After watching the freshman
team the whole year, and then I see him the
next year and like ninety percent of the kids are
still the same kids, but I recognize none of them
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because the maturation between freshman and sophomore year, I think
is more than almost any other year. For me, what
I've watched these high school kids and it's a little
bit of that. I mean, obviously, you know these guys
are adults that come in, but Marvin Harrison is still
only twenty two years old. I'm like, they're still filling out.
That is happening that maybe that's just what we're catching
a little bit of.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Or maybe it's a fact he's teammates with Yelda Froholt,
mister protein himself, so he just went over to Yeld
to Froholt and then boom, there you go.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
There is a natural maturation at such a young age.
And I think two is part of what Harrison was
saying about his play on the field and where he
hopes to make a jump from year one to year two,
which is not just focusing on what his specific role is,
but having a broader approach, so his route, his role
on a given play, what progression is that for his quarterback?
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What is the defense showing him? What is he expecting
the defense to do to defend him? Where is year one? Understandably,
So it was pretty much, this is what I need
to do. That's what I'm going to focus on. Now
that he has that foundation, it's opening up mentally, what
can he do to maybe not manipulate right, but be
the defender a little better, be a little trickier to defend.
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And when you already have that foundation that has been
set for year one, it also allows him to focus
on other things, and this case, putting on some more
muscle and living in the weight room this offseason.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
I thought the point he made about the understanding the
bigger picture within the plays was really important from the
standpoint of there's been a lot of conversation of Marvin
had a good rookie year. Why didn't he have a
great rookie year? And was it on Marvin or was
it on Drew Petsying what he was doing with him,
and was it on Kyler Murray? Whatever? And it's kind
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of a moot point to me.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
But you know what, the answer to your question is
really all the above.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Of course, of course, there's always things, and there's a
there's a learning curve for everything. We're talking about Marvin's
learning curve. There was still going to be a learning
curve for Kyler Murray. And I don't care how much
time you get in the off season throwing on air,
there's still a learning curve of throwing to Marvin Harrison
in real games, there's still a learning curve of Drew
Petsing trying to figure out what is going to be
best for Marvin Harrison overall. I mean, I think again,
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it all plays into that. And also secondarily when we
talk about this muscle and this is of course, uh,
you have to play within perspective of wide receiver versus
defensive line. But who had more gains this offseason? Darius
Robinson or Marvin Harrison. Boy, I've been.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Seen, I mean, how many specific weight numbers, So it's
all subjective.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Darius Robinson told me his weight's the same his.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Usual I mean, come on, really on that one.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
That's what he told me.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
There's a lot of things, well most everything I'm unqualified
to speak on from an expert perspective. But here's my
take on muscle game. Here we go. It was I
was in my early twenties. It was my second job.
It was kalamazoo Michigan kazu as the locals call it.
And there's really only two ways to get through a kazu.
Winner One you go to the bar, or number two,
you go to the gym, And so I did the
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latter and it was a powerhouse gym, and it was
full of muscleheads in there. And they stopped me about
three weeks in and they said, CALVICI, eighty percent of
lifting is eating. You're going nowhere, what are you doing?
What are you eating? And so if he did change
his diet, it is plausible, it is feasible, It is
truly possible that he had all these gains. The better
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news is now when they come up, press man, he's
much more equipped. Right, So when Derek Stingley Junior comes
up and it's Cardinals at Houston or I don't know,
Devin Witherspoon is Seattle twice a year, two time All Pro,
two times, you know, two years in the league. Oh,
you're going to Denver for a joint just by the way,
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and you're matched up against the NFL defensive player of
the year, Patrick Surtan. The second all of a sudden,
I would guess he's that much more equipped from year
one to year two to get off the press and
within those first five yards get off me. Right from what.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
We saw year one with those contested catches, Harrison has
the ability to time it well with Kyler. Murray has
the ability to track the ball to have that catch
radius to bring it in. Now he adds the muscle
to be tougher to get that ball from or to
break it up, and that is going to be huge
when you're having to make a transition from year one
to year two and consistently be a number one receiver.
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My follow up question to you, Paul, is, after that
person at the gym said that to you, did you
go to the gym lesson, go to the bar more.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
That's what I was saying to see. Well, and then
I had to go to the grocery store more, and
I despise. I loathe the grocery store. So it really
was a conundrum. I probably just kept doing what I
that I've always done, and that is go to the
gym and get no gains.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
The thing about you know, exercising and changing your body,
whether it is gaining muscle or people trying to lose weight,
it's all eighty percent eating. And that's the worst part.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yes, as my close buddies that my lifelong buddies will say,
you go to the gym. That's the way of rubbing
it in that I get.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
No, what do you got a bunch of muscleheads?
Speaker 2 (09:18):
For return on investments.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
So is it bad that I've just been craving a
milkshake today saying I should not get a milkshake after work?
Speaker 3 (09:26):
But no, I think you should.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Don't forget the four seas. The four seas when it
comes to Marvin Harrison Junior, And if you've forgotten those,
copper is not one of them. It's carrots, it's contested. Hello,
it's also chemistry. So when we're citing all the factors
that could play into him having a breakout year two,
let's not forget what Kyler said at the end of
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last season. This was going into week seventeen. I went
found the quote Kyler on his connection with Marvin quote,
we have to get better. It's not where he wants
it to be. It's not where I want it to be.
It's not where this team needs it to be. I
haven't lost any confidence. Oh, which, by the way, is
our four Sea confidence, to go along with consistency was
the other one.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
You can only do so much in the offseason at
this point, which is routes on air. There's no defender
in Kyler Murray's face. There's no defender pressing up against
Marvin Harrison junior. What Harrison did say in his press
conference this week, though, is you can in this time
get the timing of the route so precise that you
could do it with your eyes closed.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
I do like the confidence part, which which translates over
to Drew Terrell's thing at the end of last season. Yes,
you got to go out on the field and tell
it and let everybody know that you're bleeping mf ing
Marvin Harrison caustic abrasive, Darren Irvan a cerviic.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
I tried to clean it up. I tried, and Darryl
Scott's compelled to go there. As he takes another sip,
somebody might want to take Darren's car keys at this point.
The way this thing is is tracking. Here's the thing.
Here's my question. This is a genuine question. I wanted
to ask Marvin Harrison Junior this question, and I chickened out.
That's the fifth seed chicken.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Oh, it's gonna be a UFO question.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
How do you practice contested catches? Oh you don't, Nope.
I remember back in the day how terrified all the
dbs were of even touching Larry Fitzgerald. All thou shalt
not touch the franchise to begin with. You think a
corner's gonna come in and start, you know, Cardinals corner
trying to make the team all of a sudden, he's
gonna mess with the franchise first of all.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
And this goes back big picture again. I mean, right
now they're in Phase two stuff, which offense and defense
can't even be on the same field when they're on
the field. When they get to OTAs phase three, they
can be in mini camp, they can be eleven on eleven.
But the rules say, forget, forget worrying about injuries something.
The rules say there's to be no contact between offensive
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and defense. And you're you're certainly not supposed to jump
in the air and have any contact.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
And doesn't that go for the first five days of
training camp? Now, yes, so thou shalt not touch that
teammate during a practice. So it's really difficult. I mean,
how is he supposed to get better at contested catches
if that's one of the big keys to this season?
Is Jonathan gannon Maniasaft. Do they have a meeting in
the draft room and say, okay, organizational decision, We're gonna
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let Max Melton and Sean Murphy bunting and Will Johnson
start shoving and chucking and messing with Marvin Harrison Junior
during Cardinals camp to get a more regular season ready.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Here's a story. I think we're far enough removed that
I can tell it.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
I have the caffeine talking right now.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Happened to be we're probably or probably a decade decade
out there. There was an off season. There was an
off season thing going on. I need a drink, and
there were no media out there, but I happened to
be out there taking pictures and Patrick Peterson was on
the team, and there was a there was a long pass,
a bomb thrown and Patrick he was going against some
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receiver that never made the team, and the ball was
more or less overthrown, but Patrick basically ran the route.
So as the ball is coming down, it looked like
Patrick was the receiver because he was behind the wide receiver,
and the wide receiver was so desperate to try and
break it up that he lunged at the very end,
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and as the ball came in, he essentially tackled Patrick.
I have never heard. This was before music was being
played out there, so it was already I've never heard
a more quiet thing with ninety guys and coaches out
there in the field, and it was just and then
all of a sudden, an assistant coach, it wasn't even
the head coach. The assistant coach started screaming at the
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receiver and I'm like, now, Patrick was fine. Everything was okay.
But it goes back to your point, like you you'd
be very careful out there.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
So when you're try and assess Marvin Harrison Junior and
what's coming this year, because it's starting to generate a
lot of buzz, even the national media starting to get
in on at the fantasy all people are starting. It
is amazing the depth to which the fantasy football media
will drill deep into the analytics. For example, they had
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some stat this is a fantasy football thing on ESPN
that he was only in motion last year seven or
eight times, less than ten times. You can count how
many times, and Marvin Harrison Junior went in motion on
two hands. So does that change? Because there was a
comedy made going into Week eighteen last year about how
he had run some different routes in Week seventeen at
the Rams, and he had a pretty good game against
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the Rams. So all right, do they use him differently.
Is he a different body type he is? You know
how much more equipped is he mentally? After grown men
like Jalen Ramsey would come up and chuck him and
talk trash to him the entire game, even though he
got the best of them in the second half of Miami.
But you know, I think I'm guessing. And then when
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he admitted to Kyler Murray after the end of the season,
you know, a week one was awful fast, that was
moving at a really quick rate. And then this is
my own theory, and that is Danny We've talked about.
This is today's defensive coordinator disguises coverage at such an
elite level that it really makes receivers think. And didn't
Marvin make a comment about that that he's much more
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equipped to know. Okay, he's running the route, but how
should I sort of nuance the route based on the
coverage I'm seen? And you know, what you see pre
snap is vastly different most of the time than what
you see post snap.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
That's the natural progression of year one to year two
for any player in any position, but really for a receiver.
For what Harrison was saying of it's not just him
now It is all the moving pieces. It is what
is this defense disguising? What can I do differently to
make sure that I have a better chance at winning
this one on one matchup. It was interesting hearing the
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difference of Harrison saying, you know, week one, the game
felt really fast, and then when he was talking about
how weird it was being inside State Farm Stadium when
the Wildcard game was moved between the rams and the vikings,
and how was being in his stadium, not being the
one playing a game, but from the suites where he
was watching the game. How slow it felt when you're
watching it felt so different than when you're the one
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down there on the field. There is going to be
improvement because that is what happens year one to year two.
And then you pair in the natural ability, you pair
in the work ethic, You pair in the consistency and
the chemistry that Harrison's been working on with his teammates
his offseason. You can't argue that a jump is not
expected in year two.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Last thing I'll say in this and this to me
maybe was the biggest money comment from him, is when
he said, there is an opportunity for me to flip
the switch to on a little bit more this year.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
He was talking about the mfing Marvin Harrison there, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
The mentality, Yes, your question about what Drew Trrell said.
And to me, he doesn't have a wide receiver one,
you know, like Layer did when Ankwon was there, you know,
at the very beginning. Even Frank Sanders said I had
robbed Moore back in the day. He doesn't have that,
but he doesn't have Trey McBride. Yeah, and nobody quite
flips the switch like Trade McBride on game day. He
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is a totally different dude on game day. And his
yards after the catch obviously some of the best in
the league. So if there's someone that Marvin Harrison can
emulate this year, I think it's his tight end.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
And I think it's interesting that you bring that up,
because again, did we see and I know there was
a lot going on at the time, but I didn't
notice that switch for Trade McBride when he was a rookie. True,
you need that first year to be comfortable, just like
anything else, like well, thank you. I just feel like
you get to that second year that confidence and I
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know Marv said it was natural, like I do think
it's going to be easier to flip a switch. Now again,
you don't all of a sudden become a different person.
Your personality is what it is. But when you gain
that confidence and you start thinking, I am McBride.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
Talked about that confidence jump as well.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Yeah, so, I mean I think again, I've been saying
this all off season. People want to know, Hey, are
they going to sign another receiver? What are they going
to do at receiver? Or that. I still think the biggest,
most important thing that they have going at receiver is
Martin picking that jump. And there is nothing that has
made me thought made me think that that jump isn't coming.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
All right, schedule release, we haven't talked about it here
on Cardinals Underground. We've provided plenty of other content around
the schedule. But likes, dislikes, concerns, Where is there trepidation,
where you bullish? What stands out.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
The schedule itself?
Speaker 3 (18:21):
For the schedule, We're we're not going to step on you, Danny.
We know some things coming, don't we.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Oh, I was just talking. I don't know if we're
talking about the Cardinals schedule.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Talk we're talking about the Cardinals schedule.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
Okay, we're clearly confused, but I'm on the same page
as you now. The schedule itself.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
There is beef between Paul and Danny.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
I can just se No, the beef was between with
Paul and I against you.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Is that what it was?
Speaker 4 (18:43):
Yes, well, we were.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Just on edge a little bit. We were wondering, you
know what's coming?
Speaker 4 (18:46):
So okay, anyway back to the schedule. The first half
is as manageable as you could expect it to be
this early in the off season. You open a season
on the road in New Orleans against a team with
a first year head coach, a team that has questions
at quarterback after Derek Carr retire two weeks ago. Then
you have your your home opener the falling week in Carolina.
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That's back to back weeks against teams who had five
wins last season. It gets interesting the first of two
primetime games at Thursday night game against Seattle and then
you play the forty nine ers right after, and so
having back to back divisional games, you're obviously going to
have to be on your a game the first half
of the season. The Cardinals face one team in their
first twelve games that made the playoffs last year. Wow,
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and that's Green Bay and then it's a switch of
the flip flip of the switch. There we go the
second half of the season after the bye week, because then.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
You're faced somebody. Switch. Here we go.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
You face the Rams for the first time in Week fourteen,
and of their final six games, four of those are
on the road.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
It does.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
Four of those are against teams who made the playoffs
last year, and you're facing two quarterbacks who have dominated
the month of December. Matthew Stafford as a Ram is
thirteen and one and Joe Burrow at the Bengals is
ten and three. I believe off the top of my head.
So it's going to be a tough back half of
the schedule for a Cardinals team that last year was
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two and seven after the bye week, two and seven
on the road after the bye week. This is an
opportunity to change the narrative and not only start the
season fast, but finish it fast and strong as well.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Yeah, if you make the postseason, you're gonna be playoff
ready based on your last two games. If you make
the postseason, Cincinnati on the road, Rams on the road
the way they finished the last two years against those quarterbacks.
As you pointed out, I mean you will be playoff right.
Let's say the Cardinals make the playoffs. Sad don't nine
and eight, ten and seven. Let's just say they get in.
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I mean, look out. I mean just you will feel
like you're playoff ready based on those two assignments at
the very end of the year, presuming you get their best.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
I was gonna say, and even if you get their best,
I mean, if you go ten and seven, but you
go into those games ten and five and you lose
them both and you don't play well, I don't think
it's I think I think there's nuanced in terms of
I think it helps you're playing those teams if there's
something on the line. I just it's interesting to me
the back half of the schedule, given how the back
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half of schedules have gone for this franchise, and I
think that's going to be crucial. And what it really
does to me is, no matter well, obviously they start poorly,
that's a whole different thing. But assuming they can start
well against the schedule, it's it's not going to there's
still going to be people waiting to see what the
back half looks like, no matter how well they play
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in the front half. You're right because of history.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Yep, yep, you're right. I mean it won't be until
the holidays till people actually are Okay, Now we can
start rendering a conclusion to decisions, some sort of analysis
on the Cardinals when you see them against the the
You know, by the way, it's never too early to
get ready for Week one and scout your upcoming opponent,
the New Orleans Saints. I just saw it. Thought i'd
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throw out there, four different quarterbacks that are going to
get reps for new head coach Kellen Moore.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Well, if we're talking early, I mean, let's go a
little earlier than that. And it's come out that the
Cardinals are going to have a joint practice again this year.
They have one road game in the preseason that's in Denver,
so they're going to have one joint practice session with
the Broncos a couple days before that game, so they
will once again be able to practice against another team,
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the four straight year they're doing that.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
I should clarify it was two and five. I went
and looked, not two and seven, two and five after
the buying on the road. On that note, though, with preseason,
what's interesting is the Chiefs are the first preseason opponent
for the Cardinals, and head coach Andy Reid is known
for playing his starters in the preseason.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
We've seen that.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
The Cardinals are not. Does that change Week one? Does
that change when you have so many new faces, mostly
on the defense of wanting to get them some looks,
maybe they play a few more snaps than they would otherwise,
get some looks against some really good starters in the league.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
I mean, last year, Marvin Erson Junior got three snaps,
got the one series that was mostly.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
To just go through the motions of a game day
and getting dressed.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
In the timing, Darius Robinson I think got a dozen snaps,
might have been.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Ten well, and then after he had a good game,
that was the last.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Yep, so really was the last we saw them, okay?
Speaker 2 (23:27):
And so now so now Walter Nolan, Walter Nolan the third,
is he going to get more snaps based on that?
Because the last year, does Marvin Errison Junior actually get
snaps in year two much more than he did as
a rookie because he wants to get some experience, you know,
maybe some contested catches and targets.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
It spreads out like if we're under the assumption that
rookie linebacker Cody Simon ends up becoming a starter and
ends up having the green dot on his helmet and
calling the defense. Do you want him out there next
to a mac Wilson senior by a Buddha Baker or
Jalen Thompson to work with the chemistry and the communication
and the being able to tell the defense what the
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game plan is and make sure everybody's in their spot.
It spreads out beyond just an individual player or rookie
in the situation.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
It's always interesting me. JG makes it clear a lot
of the time that they look over a lot of
different stuff all the time from year to year to
see if they change. Could the preseason cadence of how
they play guys, could that change or be tweaked it all?
I don't know. It's a good question.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Remember to ask JG that question, right, Okay, preseason.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
I'm sure he's gonna be I he'll give you the
think there's a chance he's going to talk next week.
You can ask him that question.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
I'm sure he'll give us preseason straight answer.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
And then he did say they were going to assess
the off season or at least assess what happened after
the bye to your point, Danny, the win loss record,
and could they change anything in that regard. Not sure
how much he's gonna be willing to share of the
conclusions they came to. But as I think about that,
what do you think, is it time do you get cultured?
I think it is all right, Danny take it away.
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Danny will segue to you getting cultured with Danny.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
It is not just directed at.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Paul am I the default uncultured philistine around here.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Yes, he got me very excited.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
Now I am on social media and consume more at
pop culture than both of you combined.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
I think I'm being unfairly profiled, But go.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Ahead, let's go. There was no other topic for me
to start getting cultured with this week. Then the fact
that reportedly Bill Belichick is engaged to his girlfriend Jordan Hudson. Yes,
his girlfriend, the forty nine year age difference Mazeltov has
not been confirmed. It's just been reported as of Tuesday. Okay,
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he's off the market.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
I saw a tweet today that said, I want to
go back to the time where all I knew about
Bill Belichick was that he liked.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Lacrosse, Okay, so who leaked the news? Was it were
the people who are in the will, the Belichick family will?
Did they leak the news? That's what I want to know.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
I believe that somebody who covers the Patriots and likely
had a connection with Belichick. And then I also saw
online that Jordan Hudson herself reportedly told someone in her
inner circle that they were engaged. She might want to
reassess who was in her inner circle of that is true.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Yeah, if you're a member of his direct family and
you were previously in the will, be afraid, be very afraid.
Speaker 4 (26:32):
Maybe the fact that she was getting so much flack
for not being an employee is like, Okay, we'll just
make you my wife and then nobody can say anything.
Just kidding, I'm sure this is all about love and
no other ulterior motives. Next, on getting Cultured schedule released videos.
It feels like it's been forever because it was the
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end of last week and there was just so much
to consume. I do want to talk about some of
my favorites, though, and I'm not sure that you guys
have gone through as many of the video is that
I did ten bars, My favorite by the Cardinals. That
was very nicely done. I'm not including that because we've
had so many conversations we have that we're gonna look at.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
At Rochester and whenever we're talking about eighteen bars, yes,
the light comes up.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
Indianapolis Colts they did minecraft, although it was deleted reportedly
because of issues with Microsoft, the partner, So that I
very much believe could be real if if you don't
have approval from a partner, that could be problematic. Although
it's so interesting. The Colts typically are one of the
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more friendly teams on social media, and they just went
one to eighty and some of the jabs they took
of their opponents. So week one they played the Dolphins
and they had Tyreek Hill as a Dolphin getting arrested
by the coastguard. Now they did apologize and Tyreek Hill
said that he was totally cool, that it was fun.
It was just an interesting take by the Colts that's
not usually their voice. They took a risk.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
So we all know how much work goes into these
schedule release projects. Oh yes, and so if you have
to delete it within hours of it being released, is
that a kin to like working on your thesis? And
then the computer eats it. It gets just just gets deleted,
and you have nothing to show for all that work.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
They had a few other videos on other platforms. The
Chargers also did Minecraft, and their attention to detail every
year is so spectacular. And I'm going to call out
one team in particular that the Chargers play the Cowboys
and inside at and T Stadium. I don't know if
you guys picked up on all the little details.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
The first thing that happened didn't, but then I saw
people pointing them out.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
They had a piece of the roof falling on the
jumbo tron. They had the mass fan that was kicked
out of a game months ago because during karaoke when
he came on the JumboTron, he started mouthing fire Nico.
That was the fan on the JumboTron. And on the
other side it said defense wins Championships. And lastly, it
ended with DeMarcus Lawrence. He's now in Seattle and Micah
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Parson's going back and forth with their Twitter beef about
Tank wanting to go win. He wasn't gonna win in Dallas.
Attention to detail by the Chargers is always top notch.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
On Schedulease, I mean yeah, if you if you can
get by in from the powers that be, the trolling
is really nice.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Didn't hold your attention though I was three and a
half four minutes in. I bailed a lot of them
get pretty long.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Yeah, And I will say with the Chargers, I thought
they did excellent with like those little Easter egg things.
But the Minecraft thing doesn't hold me in it like
that's fair. The anime stuff like moved at the speed
of light.
Speaker 4 (29:28):
So it was like, yeah, okay, Kansas City Chiefs, you
guys know I love some game show. Network they had
their version of Cash Cab with Ben Bailey from the
original Cash Cab driving their van and the question.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Cash Cab, I'm playing a lot of that's a double ding, Danny.
Here we go going it to you.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
Though, Paul before I have explained it to you. So
I did appreciate that. The Tennessee Titans, it was so original.
I don't know how they thought of its schedule, Rizzy.
It was a playoff a popular medication commercial that plays
over and over, and as they were showing the opponents,
different side effects were being mentioned based on the opponent
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clever and then just quickly a few more the Chicago
Bears based on New Girl, the sitcom. If you don't
watch it, probably wasn't very funny. I did watch that show,
so I thought it was clever. Their their copy and
their captions was really clever. If you're a fan of
the show. The Bills Ai, I did like the Bills
one Alan I versus my list.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
I gotta go find that one. That guy, that's fine.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
Josh Allen's always involved, always very diverse. The Minnesota Vikings.
I did confirm the tattoos that the fans got were real,
real tattoos by diehard Vikings fans for the opponents they
were playing, which is impressive. New York Giants also TV show.
If you didn't watch Love Island, you probably didn't think
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it was funny. If you did watch Love Island, very funny,
very well.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
Schedule videos were made for Danny the Jets was impressive.
Speaker 4 (30:58):
It was the endless score. Were you zoom into a
different art and I don't. You don't get the schedule
until a couple hours before, so how they were able
to put that in order and then film somebody with
their fingers zooming in very impressive. And last but not least,
because we've talked about him on getting culture before the
Jags had Ashton Hall and his routine that starts at
three point thirty in the morning and he's dunk in
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his face in the ice bucket. So all in all,
pretty good year for schedule release videos. A lot of
cultural Easter eggs thrown in there.
Speaker 3 (31:28):
I didn't need to ask you, Danny. You mentioned that
the Colts are normally friendly. What about Blue in particular?
Speaker 4 (31:33):
Not very friendly?
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (31:35):
I would willing. I would have been willing to squash
the beef over like a stein of beer if we
had been playing them in Germany. But now that we're not,
I don't know how I'm going to approach seeing him
in Indianapolis. If I'm going to be friendly, if I'm
going to try to get back at him. It is
still options. We're still on the table.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Who's got bigger beef? You with Blue or Matthew with
the Dolphin mascot.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
I don't know that's a good question. Well, you both
have been culture now, so.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Are you welcome?
Speaker 2 (32:01):
All right, very well done. I do have beef with
Atlanta though, five the City of Atlanta, five primetime games
for the Falcons. They had the same record as the Cardinals.
They don't have a household name at quarterback. How many
fans can name more than two players off the Falcons.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
Five prime time games against They're not a very good division,
not playing.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Not our game, So I don't you know, I mean,
I always put the Seahawks at the top of the list,
you know, teams you want to jack stop. Atlanta is
sort of a low key one here. Just I got
them marked down here for that at home game December
twenty first, right before the holidays, So boom merry Christmas time, yes, exactly.
Speaking of opponents, what do you guys make the forty
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nine ers just giving out record contract extensions one after another.
If it's not Brock Purdy, it's Fred Warner, Because apparently
Fred Warner had fallen behind average annual value of Rokwan Smith,
so they redid his deal, tore it up with two
or three years to go, and they put them a
million ahead per year of Roquwan's Smith, and then Brock
Purty five years, two hundred and sixty five million. George
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Kittle now slightly ahead of Trey McBride, highest paid tight
end in the league. I mean, Darren, you're over there
on some of those you know, financial sites sort of
spot track and all that kind of stuff. Over the cap?
How valuable is this? How long before the forty nine
ers of the New Orleans Saints and there's seventy plus
million over the cap? Please tell me soon?
Speaker 3 (33:25):
I don't. I mean, it's gonna depend on who else
that they want to bring in, and they're they're gonna
be it's gonna be a little bit more difficult roster wise,
and they better hit on draft picks. But that's every team.
You know, the party, the party contract isn't over the top.
It's it's probably par for the course, and it's it's
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not horrific. And the reality is is at this point
that CAP's gonna keep going up too. I mean, party
is gonna be essentially he's gonna be eventually Kyler Murray.
I mean everybody was like, oh my god, you're giving
Kyler Murray all that at forty six million dollars average
and he's what thirteenth on the list now fifteenth on
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the list, Like this is this is what happens. I
understand the people that were saying, are do you buy
into Brock party? But to me, it was either all
or nothing. You're you're either keeping Brock purty at a
contract like this or you're moving on from him. If
you're going to keep them, this is what he was
going to get paid. And with the forty nine ers
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and the way they operate a he's shown that he
can do the job with Kyle Shanahan and b again,
what do they do if they move on from him?
Like this idea where you're just throw it away? I
get it, there's people there's an argument to be made,
like you unless you know, you get you have a
Joe Burrow or a Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson. You
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get rid of your guy after he gets off his
Riki contract and you move on, okay, But then but
then you're bottoming out again.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Not to mention that John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan have
their jobs right now because of brock Party because he
saved both of them from this disaster that was the
Trey Lance deal.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Now, I don't you're not paying a guy because of that.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
There's gratitude in there, but you really you really think
that it could have been more contentious than it was.
I mean for them to automatically exceed fifty million a
year easily for Yeah, I mean, well, see to me,
definitely make an argument he doesn't belong quite in that class,
and too is making fifth more and look how that's
working out.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
I mean, again, you're not wrong, but it's either that
or not, Like could it have been more contentious? The
only way you cannot go to brock party and say
we want to give you forty million dollars a year.
We don't think you're that good. You can't do it.
You cannot do it. It's either all in or not in.
I don't I don't even think you're You're never gonna
see the light of day. And and and if you
do that, you're gonna piss him off. Why would you
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want to do that?
Speaker 4 (35:58):
Well, to mention, they haven't paid him any money the
last four years.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Yeah, there were seasons he made less than a million
dollars a year and he had that roommate until recently, right, which, Look,
the long term answer for the forty nine ers is
you better hope they draft well. And if you look
at their last few draft classes, they exactly been bountiful.
You know it's not the you know, them finding Fred
Warner in the third round was like so four years ago,
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and look what happened to some of those guys.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Yeah, Seattle was in a great place because they got
Russell Wilson at a cheap contract early, and when they
paid him, they were still in a place where they
had had those couple of great draft classes, especially the
Richard Sherman win. But eventually they had bad draft classes
and it broke them. Essentially.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Here's what's crazy is to me, at least you guys
agree or disagree, and I know you will. Right now,
Vegas has the forty nine ers as the slight betting
favorite to win the NFC West.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Are you surprised a little bit?
Speaker 2 (36:58):
I mean, I would think it would be the Rams,
just based on the way the Rams finished last year
in the run they gave the Eagles in Philly in
the snow, but.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
You could you could make and again, the forty nine
ers this year are way different than the forty nine
ers were last year. But you could make the argument
that the only reason the forty nine ers finished where
they were was because of injuries. And you're not You're
assuming those injuries aren't going to crun.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
But look some of the losses they've suffered as well.
Look at the stage of the offensive line beyond Trent Williams.
I guess I'm looking at them a little differently, like
even the over under on wins Niners at ten and
a half, Rams at nine and a half, Seattle seven
and a half. But then again, the analytics say the
Niners are going to play the easiest schedule, not only
in the league this year, but like the easiest going
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into a season based on the win loss records from
the year before. Since twenty fifteen. They don't even play
a playoff team in last eight ten games so games.
It's crazy how easy their schedule is, at least as
it stands now.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Well, like if we're talking about the Cardinals being a
potential playoff team, I mean, that's yeah, it's somebody they're
going to be playing on this Now. Again, they're not
going to be the playoff tem this year, but you know,
I'm guessing the forty nine Ers would much rather play
last year's Cardinals than this year's Cardinals. And last year's
forty nine Ers got swept by last year's Cardinals.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Speaking to quarterback Kyler Murray the softball game, did I
hear nobody went yard? Really? Even the former first round
pick nobody cleared the fence. It was a football game.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
The ones there was one, and I admitted I left
a couple of innings early. But the last time Kyler
was up, he was definitely trying to go yard and
when he first hit it, I thought for sure it
was going to clear, and it ended up being like
two feet short. And fortunately, whoever the team that was
in the field, they actually had a guy in left
field that could play, because not all of them could.
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There's some unbelievable football players that were in that game
that cannot play soft.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Try and track a fly ball not that easy.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
But I really enjoyed it because our social director Emma
Kramer was shooting it from we were standing in we
were standing in left field, so we're watching. We're right
behind the fence and she's got it on video and
as soon as he hit it, you can hear or go,
oh my god, like it was going to come and
get us, and then it just fell short. And I'm like,
you got to post that. That's good stuff. No, I
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don't think he did, but it was. You know, you
could tell that Kyler Murray had played baseball. There was
he made a couple of plays a short or I'm like, okay, yeah,
that wasn't bad.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Yeah, yeah, you can tell right away. Trey McBride right,
home run champ in high school. So those are my
two ringers that you know, I forecasted would show pretty well.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
But what they play softball? But how many of them
can play flag football?
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Good question, good segue. Buddha Baker at the Pro Bowl.
He's done that, by the way, to Buddhist say to
the media he would be interested in the twenty twenty
eight Olympics or did he sort of defer?
Speaker 3 (39:44):
He kind of defer. But the reality is is I'm
thinking they're going to be going with somebody younger at
that point. I mean we are talking about, yeah, three
years from now.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
I'm just curious if he had interest in it because,
I mean, to a lot of athletes, it does resonate
playing for your country.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
Yes, Justin Jefferson said that when the announcement happened, is
basically like it's a dream come true for him. So
he is somebody who obviously wants to do it.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
I mean, look at like Devin Booker and Kevin Durant
this last year last summer, for example, I mean, it
was very meaningful to.
Speaker 4 (40:15):
Them, and that's an organization. I mean, the sport of
basketball has a rich history of playing for this country
in the Olympics, and this is really the first time
that NFL players football players could have that opportunity. It
was approved by a NFL league owners on Tuesday that
NFL players can play flag football in the LA Summer Olympics.
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I'm just so intrigued as we get closer the logistics
of all of that, not I mean beyond just tryouts
and picking a team and how many players or if
there's gonna be limits of how many players per NFL team,
or if it's a complete free for all. Right, like
what players are really good on the football field and
it might not translate to flag football, But the contracts
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is so interesting. I mean, Rock Party got a no
trade clause in his contract. Are we going to start
seeing contracts that are going to have some sort of
clause around flag football?
Speaker 3 (41:08):
First of all, I think they already do. And the
step that we're talking about right now, which happened before
we got on the air today, was that the owners
okayed that this could happen. It is not a done deal.
There are still hurdles that have to be hurdled by
with the NFLPA, with insurance, all these things. This is
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not a done deal to the point where it's like, okay,
now we can just start naming guys that could go
start doing this because there are things that have to
do with that. You know, you have to I mean,
right now, if you are an NFL player and you're
working out at your house to get ready for the
NFL season, and you're doing all these same things that
(41:54):
you would do, but you can't do it at the
facility because the rules say no, and you hurt yourself. Technically,
the team doesn't have to pay you, even if you're
training for your team, because you did it away from
the facility. That's that's this time's ten if you're talking
about playing in the Olympics. But again, these are risks
that you might have to take. I was just talking
(42:14):
to my wife the other day. The Panthers, the Florida
Panthers have made it into the final four of the
NHL Playoffs. Yeah, I know whatever. I was rooting for Winnipeg. Anyways,
I noticed that Matthew Kuchuk was back on the ice
for the Panthers. He had missed most of the second
(42:35):
half of the season. I don't know exactly when he
came back because he got hurt in that playing for
the USA in that tournament. He got hurt really bad
and missed significant time. And that Kevin Durant and Devin Barker,
like I said, all those guys playing the Olympics, that's
the risk you are and there is a risk that
(42:55):
you would do that. So it'll be interesting to see
not only what players might want to do it, but
also how many might want to do it and then
are like, Eh, maybe this isn't worth my money, or
even college players that are now getting paid they might
not want to do it either.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
Look, it's how they're going to grow the game internationally
because you put in the Olympics. Other countries obviously can
field a team. Yes, it's just one component in growing
the game international.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
And again it's something that both genders can playp and
so you add an Olympic sport where both genders can
play it. Look, we all know where flag football is going,
Danny Paul. You guys were a big part of what
the Cardinals tried to do here last year with the
first girls flag football telecast. But it's a huge deal
for the NFL. It's a huge deal for the Cardinals
(43:41):
and this is just another step there and just what
it looks like, you know, we'll find out.
Speaker 4 (43:47):
So yelled to Froholt against Darius Robinson flag Football Olympics.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
All right, you know what, just that mention right there,
I believe that would qualify as winning behaviors. Yes, yeah,
that's our Can you display winning behavior? You have to
consistently display winning behavior. That's winning behavior. You've got to.
Speaker 4 (44:09):
Define what winning behavior is and hold people to that standard.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
Yes, I'm gonna start with the Indiana Pacers. They're taking
care of one of their fans who was a Madison
Square Garden. We're in the Tyrese Haliburton jersey and he's
trying to leave and he's walking through New York and
he got pelted with garbage and he got harassed and
really accosted by a bunch of New Yorkers and the
Knicks fans. So send them. Pat McAfee found him because
(44:35):
the video went viral and they brought him on the show.
And then Tyrese Haliburton showed up on the show and
on behalf of the Inana Pacers Boom. They're bringing him
out to a game, giving him some really good seats
and paying for the whole travel package if his.
Speaker 4 (44:46):
Dad can't be there cheering him on. Get a big
time Pacers fan. No, I love that. I love that
is true winning behavior of Halliburton and bringing that fan.
I mean, who does that? Why would you throw try?
I mean, I know it's New York, right, but like,
who does that?
Speaker 3 (45:01):
I'm gonna I'm gonna just you're right. It was horrible
that you would do that. My first thought was, you're
around Madison Square Garden and you're wearing a Pacers jersey.
I know, I'm like, I know, I'm like, yeah, back
in the day.
Speaker 4 (45:17):
I think everyone records everything these days.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
Back in the day. I went to a Raiders game
in Oakland and there was a guy wearing a John
Elway jersey. Didn't go well for him.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
My best friend growing up was a huge Broncos fan,
and he has lived most of his life in the
Bay Area, and he so desperately wanted to go to
all the Broncos games in Oakland and his wife said
absolutely not. He was late. His wife absolutely banned him
from going to Broncos games. He could go to a
(45:48):
Broncos game if they played the forty nine ers, but
he was not allowed to go to a Raiders game.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
By the way, speaking to Indianapolis show hands, who's gonna
get up at eight am on Sunday morning and watch
the Indy five hundred?
Speaker 3 (45:58):
Really? Car Guyiley, Come on, car guy.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
I turn off the light on your behalf. That's terrible.
You know what they call it in Indy this Sunday.
You know it's gonna be It's gonna be Racers and Pacers.
It's a double header. You go in the city. Okay,
who's next? Who's Who's Who's gonna take the baton from here?
Winning behavior?
Speaker 3 (46:14):
I gotta mention I got a kick out of this
when speaking of well, I guess it's not Oakland anymore.
Former Oakland a's catcher. Now Sacramento. Are they in Sacramento
right now? I don't want to talk going to be
in Vegas. Don't want to talk about it. Johnny Parita.
They were getting smoked by the Dodgers nineteen to two recently,
and showhy had hit two home runs in this game
(46:35):
and it was his bobblehead night, and so the A's
bring Johnny Pirita, who's a catcher out to pitch the
last inning and he got to face show Hey and
he struck him out and it is the best. He
strikes him out and then make sure he gets the
ball and then rolls it to so he can keep it.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
And apparently you see that he.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
Said later when he went in the game, all he
wanted to do is be able to pitch to show
Hey and to be able to strike him out. And
it is the The third strike is hilarious. It's it's
a I don't want to call it a fast sixty
one mile an hour heater it was, but it was.
It was up in the zone and Otani tried to
hit it and then we just swung right through it.
And I'm like, man, that would be, yeah, Winny, absolutely winning,
(47:22):
non winning behavior with all the airport chaos we've had
last few months.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
Yeah, the I don't know if this is how breaking
news this is, but there are two hundred airport systems
still in existence that use floppy discs.
Speaker 3 (47:37):
What that's not winning behavior?
Speaker 2 (47:40):
So it doesn't really.
Speaker 4 (47:41):
Give a lot of a I wonder how many of
our listeners don't even know what a floppy disk is.
Speaker 3 (47:45):
I mean, that's a good point. Google it customer.
Speaker 2 (47:48):
Customer confidence in the skies this year is plumbinged as
we speak. Yeah, wow, that analogy non winning behavior. The
LA sportscaster, one of our brethren in La Ron Burgundy,
came home and wow, his whole back door, back patio
door was destroyed. His house was ransacked, like did a
(48:10):
bear get in here? Did a sasquatch get in here?
And he turned the corner he looked in his master bedroom,
naked guy asleep in his bed.
Speaker 3 (48:18):
Jesus.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
So there was that story. It can always get worse.
So we we've had tough days as sports broadcasters around here,
not like that guy in La.
Speaker 3 (48:27):
So is that winning behavior or non winning behavior?
Speaker 2 (48:29):
Not non winning behavior?
Speaker 3 (48:30):
Okaybviously, Well, I mean it's kind of if you don't
have a bear, if it's just a.
Speaker 4 (48:33):
Guy, just makes me think of I can explain it
to you guys off air one of my favorite family
feud answers ever of all time in an episode. But
I'll say the story.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
Now I see this. The US Navy, our military lost
another f eighteen. Yeah, now that was that's number two, right, Yeah,
that's number two. Because I was saying these things happen
in threes. That wasn't the nerd. This was the number
two seventy million dollars fighter jet.
Speaker 3 (49:00):
We didn't get. We didn't get to it the last time,
so I wanted to make sure we got to it
because you had mentioned the first one.
Speaker 4 (49:06):
Right, they might find themselves to here a list of
the competence that fell.
Speaker 3 (49:09):
Into the Red Sea. Yeah, this is the second one
that fell.
Speaker 4 (49:12):
Into the believe the first time.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
Yeah, I still don't believe. I still don't believe it. Unfortunately,
I think maybe the hooties got a couple of them
and now they're just saying, oh, yeah, they fell off
the side of the carrier and plunged into the Red Sea.
There's something there if you talk about trolling and doing
a little spoof, there's something for game ops where they
should use Red Sea and like the fighter jet goes
(49:35):
into the Red Sea. We don't play in New York
this year, Cardinals need to the Jets. That's right. Last year.
Speaker 3 (49:41):
One more non winning behavior. This dude who's suing the
NFL because Shudoor Sanders fell in the draft.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
Yeah, explain that police.
Speaker 3 (49:48):
Apparently, I don't know he suffered some kind of mental
distress because Shudor Sanders.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
Dropped in the draft mental or his parlay because you
can bet on where certain players go in the draft,
and maybe he suffered financial the stress.
Speaker 3 (50:01):
Amble, so I wouldn't know.
Speaker 2 (50:02):
Yeah, hmm interesting, Okay, that's pretty lame.
Speaker 3 (50:06):
Yeah that is, although I did see that he's he's
following through on it and he's asking for all this
discovery from the NFL of all these different things, and
I'm like, it's just crazy.
Speaker 2 (50:16):
Good luck with that, good good good luck with actually gain.
Speaker 3 (50:19):
Okay, and one last winning behavior. The mac Wilson schedule
video eighteen bars. Check it out if you haven't, and
if you haven't by now, it would be really surprising.
But being being a part of that whole thing was
pretty cool. And uh and.
Speaker 2 (50:30):
He so you saw you saw a lot of the
behind the scenes.
Speaker 3 (50:33):
Oh yeah, I was, I was in. I was around
for a lot of it.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
Yet, Kay, did at any point did you use the word slap?
Adrian Wilson looked at Mac Wilson Senior said, after listening
to the song, I said, that was slap.
Speaker 3 (50:44):
My favorite, my favorite part of the whole thing, and
I enjoyed a lot of different ones. After they shot
the video, parts of the video with some of the players.
I pulled the Isaiah Adams the guard aside and I said,
I just want to get your impression of what's going on.
He was giving me a couple of quotes, and part
of his what was he I said, you like to sign?
He goes, oh, yeah, he goes, it was a banger.
That's what we call it. A banger. And I'm like, okay,
(51:07):
I'm not that old. I'm like, come on, oh.
Speaker 2 (51:10):
So he made sure to differentiate between us and you,
meaning we call it a banger. I'm assuming you people
outside the eighteen to thirty four demo you might not
be aware.
Speaker 3 (51:23):
A very good dude, but that was the quote that
I remember.
Speaker 2 (51:26):
M Yes, okay.
Speaker 3 (51:28):
A lot of work went into that by a lot
of people. It was a heavy lift, but it turned
out very well.
Speaker 2 (51:34):
I'll leave it with this my last comment. Some of
the best teams have been the closest teams. I've really
enjoyed each other's company. The fact that Buddha Baker said,
just because they wanted to. The DBS went bowling the
other day, and then some of the coaches showed up
the fact that at least what's struck one of the
things really struck me after watching the video eighteen bars
was how much the teammates enjoyed it. And it was
(51:55):
Mac Wilson, you know in the seats and guys messing
around and the interaction with guys, and I just look,
does that translate directly into wins and losses? You'll never
be able to prove that, but I will say this,
if you don't have some of that team camaraderie, in
that chemistry, and guys don't like being around each other,
you better be really good like you might have all
(52:16):
pros and pro bowlers in the late latter stages of
their careers. If you want to be a winning team.
Speaker 4 (52:22):
It also translates to accountability out on the field and
in the locker room and holding high standards for yourself
and for those around you, and for listening when somebody
is going to call you out on something. That's what
that translates too, is you're no longer just a bunch
of talented individuals. You are a talented group playing for
(52:42):
each other. And that's a very physical game. So if
you're going to go out there about your body on
the line every single play, you want to go out
there and play with and four people next to you
that are doing the same, that you trust and that
you like. That you have that connection with absolutely that
can translate into the performance and the overall camaraderie and
connection of a team.
Speaker 2 (53:03):
I found it interesting. Buddha Baker offered up to the
media this week that one of the things, one of
the areas where he's evolved the most is a player,
especially as a veteran, is being forgiving of teammates when
they mess it up. He's such a perfectionist. He's so
good at his craft. Somebody blows something, whether it's an
assignment or an adjustment, and he used to get really irritated,
(53:26):
really frustrated with teammates. Sounds like, at least the way
he tells it, he's in much better place in trying
to correct.
Speaker 3 (53:33):
And you know two things on that. One that comes
with maturity. I feel like I've gotten in a better place.
I am a lot older.
Speaker 4 (53:41):
You don't yell at me as much.
Speaker 2 (53:43):
That just hurts.
Speaker 3 (53:44):
That hurts right here. The other thing I thought of
was like when Buddha made mentioned that he's still in
his twenties, Yeah, that is that's that's troubling because I'm not.
Speaker 2 (53:57):
How close is he to thirty? I forgot to look
at that up way.
Speaker 3 (54:00):
I think he turns thirty this year.
Speaker 2 (54:01):
So he's flexing that for another few months. Well, sure,
but Janny's.
Speaker 3 (54:05):
Start talking about how she's still in her twenty.
Speaker 4 (54:07):
Well January tenth, this is his birthday.
Speaker 3 (54:09):
Oh okay, so he just turned twenty nine.
Speaker 4 (54:11):
Yes, he just turned twenty nine.
Speaker 2 (54:16):
It took me a long time to say the words thirty.
Speaker 3 (54:20):
I don't even remember being thirty anymore.
Speaker 2 (54:22):
I went with like twenty nine years and seventeen months
something like that, you know, like when.
Speaker 3 (54:27):
You got a kid. How old your kid? Seventy two months? Wait,
isn't that like five years old?
Speaker 4 (54:33):
Jane, I'm not doing the math.
Speaker 2 (54:36):
That is a good reminder no math, and we do
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