Cardinals Underground - Mean Mugs, ’24 Draft Class, And Season’s Keys

The season is here, so Paul Calvisi wonders if everyone should be “mean mugging” for opener. Maybe not. We’re still working out the kinks - Paul might’ve briefly misspoke - but he and Darren Urban and Dani Sureck dive into Week 1 heading to New Orleans. What is the biggest key to the season? Is it the 2024 draft class? The trio also discuss who in the locker room makes the best protection if you found yourself in a bar full of mean-mugging undesirables, the perfect iso cam in-game, Sweaty expectations, how to handle the Saints, Calais’ impact, the return of The Wise Guy, MHJ’s completion percentage, McBride’s TDs, the Rivalry uniforms, Winning Behavior and a frosty Superdome press box.

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Speaker 5 (00:38):
All that was nasty right there?

Speaker 6 (00:41):
Rights slamming the ground by fooda baker like a torpedo.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
He came flying into the backfield. I ain't scared of nobody.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
Here's Paul Calvic.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
Right.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
Is the phone term still in vogue? In use mean
mug because I feel like being week one and now
we have an addition of Cardinals Underground that most certainly
counts that we should be like have our mean mugs on.
We should be mean mugging each other. Well the nown
anda verb and I'm a little skittish Danny because truth

(01:16):
be told there. I was the final preseason game. Dave
Pash was in Dublin, Ireland calling an international game.

Speaker 5 (01:25):
By the way, have you been to Dublin, Paul, I
have none? I have.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Wow, So there's a there's a flex right out of
the gate. So dang, Darren Leeds one nothing, No, Danny
Surrek already protesting and and yours truly Paul Kelvic explaining
himself when I was I was trying to offer in
the second half of the final preseason game. I all
under the radar list or maybe it was my elevator list.
I'm not sure exactly on your lists, and and I

(01:50):
and I use the term, you know, under the radar
or as a kid say low Key and Sam cho
on on live TV on NFL Networks. Yeah, Paul, I'm
not sure they even use that anymore. So that didn't
go well for me.

Speaker 7 (02:04):
Here's the reality, Paul, you have two teens at home.
If you if you can't keep up with it, that's
just that's poor preparation.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
On your part. It's even more that's on me, is
that what you're saying. I am completely culpable. So I
don't know. I feel like, do we need to act
a little differently because it is week one of the
regular season and this one counts. You know, do we
need to have a more serious or dramatic or mean
mug on of some sort?

Speaker 3 (02:27):
Not me?

Speaker 4 (02:27):
I stay regular season ready, Okay.

Speaker 5 (02:29):
So I thought that's how he's always look It's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
It's pretty good.

Speaker 7 (02:33):
I mean, I will say all the questions and and
it always sit up straight.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
There's no way.

Speaker 6 (02:42):
Now we now we now, we gotta now, we gotta
bleep that. That's unbelievable. Okay, the light behavior the light.
Now the face I have is red. That's that's now.

Speaker 7 (02:54):
That's you know, I got I got people on the
other side of the glass celebrating.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
So this is gonna go really bad for me.

Speaker 7 (03:03):
Cody doing a cabbage patch over there where were we
hash taget?

Speaker 2 (03:08):
It can always get worse, just did Okay, So will
this be a good time to break out a prop?
You know, Mike, my Keys to the Gamer is trying
to all right, so we've got a rousing addition to
Cardinals Underground straight ahead here on the first week, Wise

(03:28):
guy when he behaviors coming our way. Uh, we're talking
about all the relevant cardinal topics. Somebody might even drop
in a four letter s bomb uh here and there,
just to make sure everyone's paying attention. And uh other
than that. All right, I'm gonna give you my key
to this this season.

Speaker 5 (03:45):
All Right, we're listening.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
The biggest key has nothing to do with Kyler, has
nothing to do with the big free agents signing to
Josh Sweat. The key to this coming season is the
twenty twenty four drag half class. If the first five
picks can make the leap that you think. Actually, I'm

(04:06):
not including Elijah Jones. I'm talking about Marvin Irrison, Junior
Darius Robinson. Round one, Max Melton. Let's not forget about
Max right now. I'd call him CB one. Yes, we're
talking to you, Agent zero. Round three Isaiah Adams, Tip Ryman,
More on tip Ryman in a minute, and then round
four Rabbit. I think it's gonna get more and more

(04:28):
playing time. Is this season unfolds? If you're telling me
those guys they just name in the twenty twenty four
draft class, they all take that leap and evolve. I
think this team evolves in leaps and goes from four
wins d eight wins to the postseason.

Speaker 4 (04:45):
It's one of your better takes, Paul, It's no, I'm not.
I'm not.

Speaker 5 (04:49):
I know you're not. But that's what makes it so hilarious.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
I mean, she genuinely said, without saying it. Turned on
the light in honor of your take there, Darren, and
you're you're you know, denigrading it. Okay, I didn't agree. There,
We go continue, please, Dandy continue.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
You hit it right on the nose, Paul. And this
coaching staff in front office agrees when you're looking at
the consistency in a lot of those position rooms and
the fact that they are very clearly relying on these
young players to take a step forward, starting with wide
receiver one Marvin Harrison Junior put on eleven pounds of muscle.
That has been the hot topic of the offseason. What
is a year to jump look like for a rookie

(05:25):
who had a good rookie or second year player had
a good rookie year and has been working on that
chemistry with his quarterback all off season. Darius Robinson, who
only played six games last year, who looks just as
big and strong and fast and scary as he did
this time last year before getting hurt. There's a lot
of not expectations because the players and coaches won't use

(05:49):
that word, but you need to see a jump in
a lot of these players. And the good thing is
these players have had very extensive live reps. They all
got a lot of looks in twenty twenty four, which
helps that jump, that evolution going into your two because
you're already comfortable with the speed of the game, with
the communication. Now it's about putting on that muscle. It's

(06:11):
about fine tuning your skills and making sure you can
win your one on one reps more consistently. I like that.
Take twenty twenty four draft class.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
Stepping up by the way sidebar list. We had Marcus
Golden on The Big Red Rage last week, and part
of our intro was once upon a time when Marcus
Golden was starring for the Cardinals, he was always our
choice as our personal protector. If we had to walk
into a biker bar with a bunch of Hell's Angels,
we take Marcus goldenkay right here, right now. On this team,

(06:38):
I'd say Darius Robinson. I'd have a hard time picking
anyone other than Darius Robinson.

Speaker 5 (06:44):
Hernandez, that's a good one here.

Speaker 7 (06:46):
Anyone to know why, because you talk about mean mugs,
Will Hernandez can mean mug with the best of them.
I'm not so sure Darius does anything but smile.

Speaker 4 (06:54):
But that's what said. Marcus Golden is such a nice
human being. I don't know that he's throwing any punches
that he doesn't need to.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
Although Will Hernandez with a mustache it makes him a
little more lovable a little bit. If he really wants
to mean mug, Will Hernandez needs to go, you know,
without the people.

Speaker 7 (07:10):
I'm sorry, I can't get the JJ Watt thing out
of my head. Crashing into the refrigerator that is Will
Hernandez and bouncing backwards.

Speaker 4 (07:18):
I mean, let's not forget defensive line and Dalvin Tomlinson.
I mean, if an offensive line is going to call
him a wall, I feel pretty safe walking behind him into.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
An If you need to pave your way out of
the biker bar following the lead block of either Dalvin
Tomlinson or worl Will Hernandez, yeah that would be. That
would be key, no doubt about it. All Right, So
there's there's one right there. I mean, not just Marvin
Irrison Junior, not just Darius Robinson. Let's not forget Max Melton,
because every team has it, even the Saints, right have

(07:47):
Chris a Lave. And by the way, if it is
Will Johnson against Chris Alave, I feel for that guy.
I mean, the Michigan man just can't escape Ohio State dudes,
whether it's in practice, whether it's coaches, whether it's people
on the staff. Wasn't he didn't? He told you that, right, Danny,
When you interviewed Will Johnson one on one, he said,
I'm like, I'm an island under myself on this team.

Speaker 4 (08:08):
He's all by himself. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (08:10):
Well, the bottom line is if you're a cornerback, you're
always on an island.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
So that's a good one. You know what, gidar the
light on that. That was a good turn. It was
a good turn of phrase.

Speaker 4 (08:19):
Right.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
I'm also trying to buy myself time getting to Isaiah Adams.
Is I segue in round three and then tip Ryman,
which brings me.

Speaker 7 (08:27):
By wait wait, wait, I gotta I gotta ask I
I may have just misheard you. No, I do think
that that, but see, I love that idea. If that's
if he meant to do it. Did you mean to
say Riseiah Adams? Like rising no, I thought I heard Riseiah,
and I'm like, that's a fantastic.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
I don't know why I'm talking too fast today. I
got to slow down if I had too much coffee.

Speaker 5 (08:52):
He dropped that exploitive out of the box.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
You're turned out.

Speaker 5 (08:54):
I'm still scrambling.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Uh here's my other thought. Yes, if I gave you
the choice of having an isocam on one player during
the game, the old school picture and picture, And the
reason why that that really sparked was because tip Ryman.
I think we'd call it the collision cam tip Ryman

(09:17):
picture and picture. Just whenever he's in the game, boom,
put him in the mini box right there and just
follow him around. Is he pancakes studes?

Speaker 5 (09:25):
I mean, isn't it.

Speaker 7 (09:26):
Isn't it going to be a Lignman because we don't
pay close enough attention to him? Probably, I mean, or
a tight end like a tip Ryman. Because the first
one of the first ones that comes to my head
is I kind of want to see Kalais and what
he looks like in You're eighteen and on a on
a snap by snap basis. But I mean there's lots
of them, Adams, the one you're just talking about Isaiah Adams.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yeah, the Kalaeis cam, the interior O line cam, that
could be good. I mean, you want a collision cam,
just just put it in the A gap, you know,
some sort of instead of like you know, the pylon cam,
you know, just embed one in the A gap. Can
you do that?

Speaker 4 (10:00):
How about we put a goprol on James Connor's helmet.
You want to talk about collision camp run him through defenders?

Speaker 2 (10:06):
Well, seriously, when the official spots the ball, he spots
two things. He spots the ball, and then he buries
the A gap cam into the turf and it points
straight up and you get that view right there at
the epicenter.

Speaker 7 (10:23):
Just even better than Ozempe for dogs, I'll be honest.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
How about Will Johnson? How about the let the rook
cook camp. You know, you're following him around and I
don't know, just thinking, I'm just trying to improve the broadcast,
you know, especially after a s U had its struggles
in the second half. Darren, was that you trying to
watch on the stream?

Speaker 4 (10:43):
I was actually there, so I didn't I didn't see
any angry tweeting from Darren.

Speaker 5 (10:49):
Oh.

Speaker 7 (10:49):
I don't know if I would have done any angry
tweeting they won the game. They won the game, and
they lost ground in the in the rankings.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
Of course, really what they started dropped? Yeah? Okay, all
right for some reason, one.

Speaker 4 (11:02):
Good season and everyone just thinks, okay, top ten team.

Speaker 5 (11:05):
Okay, what Missouri this weekend.

Speaker 4 (11:07):
I'm not out here complaining about anything.

Speaker 5 (11:11):
I have another time about college football.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
Another key to the season here.

Speaker 5 (11:16):
Okay, wait, how many key wouldn't k be one thing?
If it's the key?

Speaker 4 (11:24):
Really on your tail today, Paul, He's.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
A big picture Okay. I'm actually going to get into
specific keys for the offense and defense, but this is
big picture. Okay, So twenty twenty four draft class, and
you could put this under the umbrella obviously a defense,
but just Josh Sweat and the Chandler Jones effect. What
happens if dot dot dot he's a fifteen or sixteen

(11:47):
SAC guy, something the Cardinals have not had. I know,
it's almost hard to envision because Chandler Jones seems like
a generation ago. But if if Josh Sweat is that guy,
and there is reason to believe he could possibly be
that guy, if indeed Nick Ross and Jonathan Ander are

(12:08):
going to use him the way Vic Fango used him
in the Super Bowl. And that's one of the big
reasons that Josh Sweat said he came to the Arizona
Cardinals hashtag free Sweat and if he's that guy. And
then all of a sudden, let me give you an example.
You guys tell me if this is if this is
accurate or not. The Rams gave the Eagles all they
could handle in that playoff game, right, correct? Who gave

(12:31):
the Rams, by the way, all they could handle in
Week seventeen?

Speaker 3 (12:33):
And if not for the deflection off the helmet of
Trade McBride, the Cardinals would have swept the Rams. Anyway,
That's just a sidebar. What happened to that Rams team.
It wasn't the offense, It was the defense that got better.
And where did the defense specifically get better? It was
Jared Verse.

Speaker 5 (12:47):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
And Jared Verse ended up being a runaway defensive rookie
of the Year. And oh, by the way, he pulled
everyone along with him. It's funny how when Jared Verse
became that dude and started getting double teamed off the end.
Brayden Fisk went from one sack the first half of
the season to seven sacks as a defensive lineman the
second half of the season. So that's part of my
big picture question on Josh Sweat. I mean, give me

(13:10):
a thought here. If he is that guy and for
the first time ever, you know, Jonathan Gannon enjoys watching
another team have to double team his edge rusher, and
think of what that might open up for Nick Rolis.

Speaker 4 (13:24):
It wasn't just Chandler Jones that time, remember when JJ
Watt was here. And it's the same effect. When you
have a player of such a high caliber that is
going to require significant intention from your opponent, all that
does is open up the playing field for whoever is
opposite of them. If you can have Sweat be as
disruptive as you are saying he can be, that's a
double win because you are one getting that disruption from

(13:47):
Sweat himself, and two allowing players like Zaven Collins, Jordan Birch,
Baron Browning to really go to work opposite of Sweat
because that's where a lot of the attention from the
opponent is having to go.

Speaker 7 (14:00):
Question to you, Paul, is, does he need to be
in the fifteen sack range for this to happen or
you're just saying, is as long as it develops where
teams are double teaming him, it doesn't matter as much.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
No ladder. Yeah, if he's commanding the double team. Yeah,
for example, if he's so disruptive in September, because you
know how that's sort of what what's the old adage
The coaches say, it's those first four games of film,
and then teams will watch those first four games and
then all of a sudden they start making serious adjustments.
Now that could easily happen by week three or week
four if he's that dude, if he's that disruptive and dominant.

(14:35):
But to your point, it doesn't necessarily have to be
the sack told. I mean, there have been years where
Miles Garrett didn't lead the NFL in sacks, but but
he got double and triple teamed all the time.

Speaker 7 (14:46):
I guess, I guess where I kind of I do
think Joshuat will have a large impact on this defense.

Speaker 5 (14:51):
Where I struggle with it.

Speaker 7 (14:52):
A little bit is it's not like the Eagles haven't
had high sack guys in the past and giving and
they'll give them that time time. I just I struggled
this many years into his career that all of a
sudden he's going to become this guy that he wasn't before.
That's that's the only thing that makes me hesitating.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
No, that's a plausible pushback, no doubt about it. Um Okay.
Other quick keys to the Cardinals, dum and specific to
Week one. I look at the Saints and you see
a young quarterback, and Danny, I see one path to
victory on offense for the New Orleans Saints, and his
name is Alvin Kamara. If Kamara comes out there and

(15:34):
he looks like the five time pro bowler because it's
Week one and he's totally healthy and he's not banged up,
and I get it, he's aged thirty, but if he
looks like he's you know, got fresh legs and he's
catching it and running it, and I think he has
the most total yards from scrimmage of any running back
in the NFL since he was drafted. Because he's a
dual threat. To me, that's by far the biggest key

(15:54):
going against the Saints. You better bottle him up.

Speaker 4 (15:56):
Kamara is running behind an offensive line with four former
first round picks. He is a true dual threat. He
can run the ball, He can be a strong receiver
similar to a Connor out of the backfield. There's question
marks around Spencer Ratler. He played in seven games last
year as a rookie. He was a fifth round pick
to New Orleans in twenty twenty four. Started six of
those games, not a single win. Now that's not all

(16:18):
just to say it's on the quarterback. But just because
he has some experience doesn't mean that this is going
to be necessarily strong outing out of the gate. I mean,
if you're asking, the Cardinals have a very clear advantage
when you're looking at the defense and the experience and
the veterans that they have on this team going up
against still an unproven quarterback. Now that's not to say

(16:41):
that Rattler is not a good quarterback. He's He's actually
pretty good too. He had a lot of designed rollouts
last year. So somebody who when he can escape the pocket,
can can still be a threat. And despite Kellen Moore
being a first year head coach, he is somewhere who
has found success everywhere he's been an offensive coordinator throughout
his career. So it is a huge advantage for the

(17:02):
Cardinals defense going up against Ratler and having Kamara in
the backfield. When you're looking at the Saints offense, there
will be challenges. I mean, it's still Week one. There's
a lot of unknown so no matter how much you
can prepare for a team, there's still gonna be things
you're not expecting to see week one. But the Cardinals
defense has a very big leg up on the Saints offense.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
I mean, if you're looking for an ISO camp picture
and picture, maybe the front seven cam and see all
the creative, unique looks that Nick Ross might dial up
to try and confuse the young quarterback. You know, I've
semi joked the name of the game plan against Spencer
Ratler for the Cardinals d is kitchen sink. Because you're
throwing everything, including the kitchen sink at him. You know,
you got to make the young guy think.

Speaker 7 (17:42):
Right, Oh no, absolutely, although you know, again he hasn't
had really any success on the NFL level as a
starting quarterback. But at the same time, it's not like
it's Tyler Shook and he hasn't played in a game.
I mean, it's Spencer Rattler's seen some defenses. It's not
like you're going against the rookie quarterback. I'm fascinating to

(18:03):
what Danny's point is is like this week one thing,
you know, we're we're doing our picks thing again this
year where we pick all the non cardinal games every week,
and as I'm going through it, I'm like, I felt
comfortable with about a third of my picks, and because
it's week one and because I'm thinking, Okay, I think
this team is going to be better, but like, who
knows about X or Y or Z or how it

(18:26):
turns out.

Speaker 5 (18:26):
And on top of all that, usually the first couple
of weeks.

Speaker 7 (18:30):
Ends up having games where when you look back in December,
you're like, how did that end up being the result
of those two teams together?

Speaker 5 (18:37):
Because now that we're through the season and we've seen
what these teams are about, that never should have happened,
you know.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
So for example, New Orleans last year, they won their
first two games, they scored ninety plus points. I forgot
about the first two weeks last year, so they were
two and zero and they ended up a five win team.
So yeah, look at the Cardinals in Buffalo last year.
They're up seventeen to three in the first half, and
then Jonah Williams got hurt and then all of a sudden,

(19:03):
the offense bogged down and von Miller Marvin wasn't quite
ready yep, And so yeah, to Darren's point, you never
quite know in week one. I mean the only other
way I guess, I guess is the whole Kellen Moore factor,
because in four games against Jonathan Gannon and Nick Rowlis,
he is three and one and he's put up some

(19:25):
points when he was the Dallas SoC and they were
running the Philly defense. Although one of those games got
sideways in a big way. I think Dallas put a
fifty burger on the board because it was the last
game of the year and Philly had already clinched and
they are playing third stringers, so that one's sort of
an outlier. You can throw that out. But I mean
Kellen Moore is looking at the Cardinals defensive coaching status

(19:47):
said hey, I've been there and done that against these guys.

Speaker 4 (19:50):
A lot of the praises for Kellen Moore kind of
similar to Jonathan Gannon as a very young head coach
found a lot of success as a position co or
a coordinator and also being deemed very creative and very innovative,
and that's how people describe Gannon and rawlis as well
with his defense, and that's how people see more with

(20:11):
his offensive mindset, who's going to be calling plays for
the Saint So I think it's going to be a
fun little battle before.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
I move off of the defense. Kaleis Campbell, Darren, give
us a word. You've covered, you know, his entire career.
You saw him up there. He's named a captain, you know,
and just he's talking about how he's ready to go.
It strikes me that Kalais, without actually asking him, is
used every single moment from when he signed to be

(20:40):
regular season ready. Yes, some guys are regular season ready
in July. No, like he's ready now that it's September.

Speaker 8 (20:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (20:48):
I had a chance to talk to Kalais recently and
I have a big story up on Easycardinals dot com,
so hopefully everybody kind of check it out. What kind
of looking back on his first tenure with the Cardinals
and how he got back here along what you're saying.
One of the things I've liked most about Klais is
the way he's been able to balance this idea that

(21:09):
I can still make an impact. I believe I'm an
impact player a game wrecker as long as I have
the right amount of snaps, but at the same time saying,
I understand I'm thirty nine years old.

Speaker 5 (21:22):
It's funny.

Speaker 7 (21:22):
One of the questions I asked him, I said, so
when you come back, I said, when I walk through
this building sometimes, I've been around here such a long
time that you know, you kind of have memory points
where you see something and it kind of trigger something
that happened a long time ago. When you got back
in this building, do you do kind of reminisce and
you kind of feel again like you're twenty five instead

(21:44):
of thirty nine. And he chuckled, and he goes, I'll
be honest. He goes, I know I'm thirty nine pretty
much all the time. And he goes, and I feel
good right now, he goes, This is even after we played.
So I love the fact that he understands where he
is in his career but also wanting to be the
best he can be, and there's a confidence there. And

(22:06):
I just think with him on the defensive line, We've
talked about the defensive line lots of times, So if
we talk about what the Saints are going to be
able to do offensively and all that stuff. I have
a lot of faith in what this defensive line can
do in this first game against Spencer Ratler, against holding
out on Alvin Kamara, and I believe that that at
least this first week will make the difference in the game.

Speaker 4 (22:27):
It's a great story coming back to the team that
drafted you. You spent the first half of your career.
The Cardinals wouldn't have made that move if Campbell still
couldn't play. So now I am excited that is. It
is a great story. I'm ready to see him play,
right like I'm ready to see the eighteen year vet
back in the Cardinals uniform and play. There's a reason
Darius Robinson, despite only being teammates with Campbell for a

(22:48):
few months at this point, said that Campbell has been
the best teammate he's ever had because of the leadership,
because of how blunt Campbell is when watching film and
helping his teammates around him get better. It's no surprise
that can was one of the seven team captains voted
on by the players. It was three offense, three defense,
one special teams. You've got quarterback Kyler Murray, You've got

(23:09):
running back James Connor, center Yield and Rohold. And then
on defense, it's Campbell, it's safety but a Baker, it's
linebacker MacWilson, senior, first time captain. And then special teams
it's safety Joey Blunt.

Speaker 5 (23:20):
It's Danny.

Speaker 7 (23:21):
Just talking about the Darius thing and getting mentored by
Klais triggered something.

Speaker 5 (23:25):
I it was funny.

Speaker 7 (23:27):
At one point, I was asking about being the mentor
and talking to these guys, and Klaus Is like, he goes.

Speaker 5 (23:32):
I think they're a little taking aback.

Speaker 7 (23:35):
Some times, how aggressive I am and that kind of stuff,
because and he goes, I used to when I communicated
with guys, I used to put a little more sugar
on it.

Speaker 5 (23:44):
He goes.

Speaker 7 (23:45):
I don't do that anymore because you know what he goes.
When you're on the cusp, there's an urgency. And I
just love that line because that's where he sees this team.
And I think we all know, like what we're looking
at this season, like there's an urgency for this team
to succeed.

Speaker 5 (24:02):
And win games.

Speaker 7 (24:03):
And there's a lot of people, I mean, the whole
team's invested, the whole coaches, everybody's invested in winning. But
there are a handful of people that it's a little
bit more urgent to do so than others. And that's
the attitude they have to go into, especially again when
you're looking in the schedule where you're playing the Saints
and then you're playing the Panthers, and the reality is

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these are games you.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Need to get well, and there's a tendency in the NFL,
especially if you're a young guy. Right, Oh, I've got
a ten year career ahead of me. You know, if
it doesn't work out tomorrow or this year, there's always
next year. Well, look at Khalais. He went to the
Super Bowl as a rookie, has not been back since
eighteen years later. He's trying to get back to the
super Bowl. So this isn't baseball. There isn't another regular

(24:46):
season game tomorrow. It's the NFL. So yes, there is
inherently a lot of urgency, no doubt about that. You
know what, before we get to the offense, since we
already went into the cold tub time machine just automatically
by talking about Kaleis Campbell, Yes, I think it's time
to raise a competition level. And I know we'll be
going to the archives and most likely someone will be
taking yet another l not only in this show to date,

(25:10):
but based on last season. It's time for wise Guy.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
It's time for the wise Guy, the world's bestest Growing
Cardinals quiz show. The stakes are low, the winner gets
absolutely nothing. Here's your hostess with the mostess, Denny, sir.

Speaker 4 (25:30):
Right when we did a little test run of this
for a preseason game, Paul, I gave you the upper
hand and I let you pick first. However, now it's
regular season, righty, So we will be doing this trivia
every week for those who did not tune in last year.
So welcome to Cardinals on a Rowedy this every week
based on the opponent or the city that we are

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traveling to, so this will be all Saints New Orleans focus.
Darren wiped the floor with Paul last year, so really, Darren,
Darren gets first pick question one through four.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
He would like to ask, Actually, I'm in favor of
this because it'll give me time to route chat GPT
through my phone anti high school students in exam time.
Here we go.

Speaker 5 (26:15):
I'm gonna go with question number one.

Speaker 4 (26:17):
Danny This former Cardinals and States offensive lineman, was dubbed
Pro Football's dirtiest player in a nineteen seventy seven Sports
Illustrated cover story. The y s I cover currently hangs
on a wall in a conference room here at Cardinals HQ.

Speaker 5 (26:35):
Conrad Dobler corract it starts.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Come on, see it's conspiracy all the ones I know.

Speaker 4 (26:43):
No, you sound like people on my Twitter mentioned there
is no conspiracy theory. Okay, okay, everyone just heard Darren
randomly picked his question.

Speaker 7 (26:52):
We have to admit that Paul is the king of
conspiracy with after what he was doing with your picks
and like other stuff he's talked about.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
Well, okay, so the mean mug I was asking for
off the top just surface now here. Go ahead, Danny, Paul,
how do you not know the rules?

Speaker 4 (27:07):
You pick a question? Two through four?

Speaker 2 (27:10):
Okay, Buddha Baker.

Speaker 4 (27:14):
Three, thank you. At halftime of Super Bowl thirty six
between the Rams and the Patriots and New Orleans, this
performer famously opened their jacket to reveal an American flag
while the names of the nine to eleven victims scrolled
on a screen in the background.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
Halftime show New Orleans Super Bowl. Who was it again?
Patriots and Rams? Yes, so that's the one that McVey lost.
So that was two thousand and eighteen.

Speaker 8 (27:49):
Oh boy, m m uh no idea.

Speaker 7 (28:00):
First of all was two thousand and two Super Bowl, right,
it was earlier. It was when the Patriots played the
first one. Because it's Bono, isn't it?

Speaker 4 (28:08):
It sure is, Darren with the steal, h I was.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Fifteen years beyond it.

Speaker 7 (28:13):
Yeah, because it was right after nine to eleven. So gotcha,
I'll take number four.

Speaker 4 (28:20):
I'm not laughing at you.

Speaker 8 (28:21):
Ball.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
You have no idea.

Speaker 4 (28:23):
Nothing else that I was that happened earlier today.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
Yes, little I attached to stuff like you just asked like,
I have no chance at that kind of pop culture stting.

Speaker 4 (28:33):
I also don't come up with the questions. I'm not offended.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
I could not care less about the halftime showhead.

Speaker 4 (28:38):
I'm not offended. Here we go, Darren.

Speaker 5 (28:40):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (28:41):
As a teenager in his hometown of New Orleans, this
longtime member of the Arizona Cardinals sold concession items during
Saints games at the Superdome. He would later go on
to be in trying to do the Pro Football Hall
of Fame. Anias Williams correct, let's just continue on just
for fun, okay, Paul, here we go. I believe in

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you in the two thousand and nine divisional playoff game
against the Saints in New Orleans. This former Cardinals player
scored on the game's first play from scrimmage.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
Oh yeah, running back.

Speaker 4 (29:16):
On your lape.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
No, no, no, no, no thirty one. By the way, my
laptop just pretty much died. Uh thirty four thirty four?
Oh my gosh, mmmm, I can't remember.

Speaker 4 (29:31):
No, Tim high Tower is seventy years touchdown when.

Speaker 7 (29:37):
That When that happened, I was I thought for sure.
I'm like, oh my god, the Cardinals might do it
again for a second straight year.

Speaker 4 (29:44):
And then that Okay, Darren gets the win for Week one?

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Ye, all right. The Week one win that I'm focused on.

Speaker 5 (29:52):
Is uh is the Saint good segue.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
Yeah, I'm not going back to two thousand and nine.
I'm not going when's the last time the Cardinals won
a game in New Orleans?

Speaker 8 (30:02):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (30:02):
Boy? Were six seven times that I was.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
At Channel five about a year. At that point, I
was in the dome Leashan Johnson two hundred plus yards. Yeah,
I do remember.

Speaker 5 (30:16):
Good.

Speaker 7 (30:16):
That was before I was still I was covering high
schools then, so that was before I even sniffed the Cardinals.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
Yep, that's when they used to stuff the media in
the back of the team plane, so we're in the
back of redbird one and yeah, that whole deal. Yep, Okay,
all right, key's the Cardinals offense this season and I
have three And look, I don't want to be too
captain obvious. And I know Marvin Harrison Junior was a
big topic of discussion with Drew Petsen, and there's only

(30:43):
so much that can be said at this point. But
if we want to drill down and get a little specific,
did you guys see the next gen stats that were
unveiled for this week, and Darren you sent them everyone's way,
And if you look at some of them, you realize
that Kyler's percentage completion percentage when targeting Marvin Harrison Junior
was fifty three point four percent compared And we once again,

(31:04):
this just verifies the eyeball test. How many times have
we said in the offseason, if Kyler could get anywhere
near the sort of chemistry with Marvin that he has
with Trey McBride, what would it do for this Cardinals offense?
I mean it combined with a top five run game,
it would propel it into the stratosphere, right considering that
you know Trey McBride and Kyler stay a lethal tandem. Well,

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the percentage completion percentage from Kyler to Trey McBride was
seventy five percent, the sixth highest in the league. So
think of the disparity in the completion percentage between your
top two targets. It's not even close. So to me,
far and away, if you can elevate that aspect of
this offense, that is the rising tide, that'll just put

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points on the scoreboard.

Speaker 7 (31:52):
I mean, we've talked to I remember going on interviews
for outside platforms basically since the season ended, and whenever
somebody said are they going to add a wide receiver?
My answer every time was I don't know if they're
going to add a wide receiver. But to me, the
much bigger issue is getting Marvin Harrison to level up

(32:15):
rather than adding a receiver was going to change the
passing game.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
Here's the other stat Marvin Irrison Junior led the NFL
with forty tight window targets last season. So is that
more on the receiver, Is that more on the quarterback?
Is that perhaps more on the scheme not in motion
as much the sauce the sauce. So i'd see all

(32:41):
the above, I'd say, you know, the receiver needs to
do a better job againting separation, the quarterback needs to
do a better job of identifying when he's open, maybe
not forcing the football and or delivering it on time
out of a break, for example. And then maybe the
offensive scheme needs to be better just hitting him into
space more often.

Speaker 4 (33:01):
It's all of those things that naturally you expect and
hope that those naturally get better with more time on task.
So now that Harrison's going into year two where he
has said he feels like the game has slowed down
and that he is able to kind of take advantage
of a defender a little bit more, not just understanding
what his specific role is on a play, but also

(33:23):
having a better understanding of what everyone else on the
field offensively is going to be doing around him and
how that affects his timing. You hope that all of
the work with his quarterback in the offseason is going
to pay dividends. And you also need to be more
consistent in those contested catches. Now, Harrison had some good ones,

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but that's part of putting on muscle, is this is
a very physical league and being able to win some
of those tight tight throws. As the season went on,
Murray did a better job leading Harrison. I think of
the Miami game when Harrison was one used differently than
we had really seen him all year in the routes.

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He was running across the field, and two, you could
really tell the trust was beginning to form late in
the season with Murray and Harrison because Murray was leading
his receiver and before Harrison even broke his routes, Murray
was getting the ball. That's what you want to see
happen more consistently. And when you're talking about Trey McBride,
who is arguably one of, if not the best tight

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end in the league right now, I mean, just on
a total ascension, you need to be able to find
the end zone more. And last year it was okay,
well the Cardinals were finding the end zone. Doesn't really
matter if it's McBride or not. Right, you're using Bride
to get down the field to move the chains, and
then if it's somebody else in the red zone, that's okay.

(34:45):
You're still plenty points on the board. Yes, that is true. However,
you need you need to be able to connect with
your top receiver, because that's what he was last year,
even above Marvin Harrison Junior. Were looking at the numbers.
You need to be able to find McBride in the
end zone, and he needs to be as much of
a threat in that red zone as he is the
rest of the field.

Speaker 7 (35:05):
I'm fascinated offensively to see what changes have happened, and
more importantly, how this meshes together. Because they already run
the ball really well, which is what they want to do.
They want to be able to run the ball really well.
So the question becomes how much of that gets pulled

(35:28):
back a little bit if your passing game takes this
step up. I mean, it's if they run the ball
the way they've been running and then they pass the
ball like we all want them to pass the ball.
I mean, now we're talking about like a Chief circa
nineteen or twenty nineteen offense or whatever, and I just
don't see that happening, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
But on the other hand, Danny mentioned in there my
second point about the Cardinals offense, It's almost incomprehensible that
Trey McBride I'd set team receiving records for tight ends
set NFL records for tight ends and didn't have a
touchdown catch until Week seventeen. That's got a change.

Speaker 5 (36:09):
Oh, I agree with I'm right absolutely.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
So if that does change, there's a there's an obvious
way where this Cardinals offense gets a lot happer.

Speaker 4 (36:15):
You you want to talk about the defense throwing the
kitchen sink at quarterback Spencer Rattler, Let's throw the kitchen
sink at Trey McBride and see what sticks to get
them the ball in the end zone.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
By the way, the other next gen stat they threw
out there, do you realize that forty six percent of
the Cardinals end zone targets last season went to Marvin
Harrison Junior, the second highest in the NFL. So is
that because once in the red zone teams jump Trey
McBride and just said, hey, eighty five is not beating us.

(36:48):
But suffice it to say, I'm sure the Cardinals coaches
are well aware of that trend and maybe that's something
they try and break.

Speaker 7 (36:55):
No, I absolutely they self scouted. Yeah, McBride needs to
get in the end zone more often. But I think overall, generally,
I think the Cardinals need to get in the end
zone more often.

Speaker 5 (37:04):
I mean that was you know, they would get down.

Speaker 7 (37:06):
If they got goal to go, they'd get the touchdowns,
but there were too many times in the red zone
where they were not finishing a drive with either their
turning it over having to kick a field going. It's
great for Chad Ryland, but I think that's going to
be a key to their season. Is as much as
we talk about the passing game generally, to me, having
things click when they get to the red zone a

(37:27):
little bit better makes more sense in terms of a
kind of game changer.

Speaker 4 (37:31):
That faltered more in the second half of the season
because to start the season the Cardinals were very good
in the red zone and very good in goal to
go situation. So they had a hot start last season.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
And the last one is deep shots explosives in the
past game. And we can give you all these sort
of stats and analytics and metrics. The big one to
me is in twenty twenty one, Kyler's passer rating on
deep shots pass attempts of twenty yards or more was
one to eleven. The last three years it's been fifty
forty nine pin So, okay, can you just get a

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little bit your top five in the league and explosive runs.
Can you at least get it to the middle of
the pack in explosive pass plays.

Speaker 4 (38:11):
There's got to be a happy medium there, because when
you're looking at the twenty twenty one season and the team,
not only was this a different coaching staff, it was
an entirely different offense like that that team, I mean
they were a past first team, right, So that's not
what this is now. So you have to find the
happy medium of yes, being more consistent, taking more deep shots,

(38:33):
and being more of a threat when it comes to
stretching the field, while also having an understanding that this
is a run first offense. So to try and replicate
those specific numbers from twenty twenty one is not realistic.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
By the way, speaking to quarterbacks, you see the local
kid was signed to the practice squad Keaton Slovas.

Speaker 5 (38:51):
I did see that.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
How about that Desert Mounta High School.

Speaker 5 (38:53):
We move on from Clayton tune to Keaton Slovas.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
And Claytonton moves on to Green Bay.

Speaker 5 (38:59):
That's true.

Speaker 8 (39:00):
Game.

Speaker 4 (39:00):
Yeah, well, Hoiah Simmons is no longer.

Speaker 7 (39:04):
You're right, that's true, and there's no other reason to
be paying attention to the Packers when they come.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
Yeah. Absolutely, no, Yeah, I know, you're right. It's just
saying zero reason.

Speaker 4 (39:13):
Okay, okay, next topic. All right, you guys don't open
that can of worms.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
Speaking of well, speaking of so when teams come to
town week four and the Seahawks, they're going to see
the rivalry uniforms.

Speaker 4 (39:28):
Your reaction last place Seahawks, you drop that part of
their their name.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
Now, well it was the last place forty nine ers
last year.

Speaker 4 (39:35):
So I wish that never that never stopped you before.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
You're right, you're right, I'm not in regular season for yet.
You're right, I need to make that halftime adjustment here
on the underground.

Speaker 4 (39:45):
The rivalry uniforms are pretty sick, and I say that objectively,
especially when you're looking at the rest of the division,
and it's also the AFC East East, right, Yeah, because Cincinnati,
oh Buffalo, Yeah, but which are sick as well. The Cardinals'
uniforms are very clean. The state flag is back on

(40:06):
the shoulder, that patch, and that is something that fans
have been clamoring for for a very long time. You
can tell there was a lot of intentionality behind the
coloring and the texture and the decisions behind every aspect
of the rivalry uniforms, which I really appreciate. Those will
be worn that Thursday night game against the Seahawks. That's
the only time they will be worn. This whole rivalry

(40:29):
theme that the NFL is doing is they pick two
divisions and then you can wear those uniforms at home
against the division rival once a year for three years.
So the Cardinals will wear these uniforms once a year
for the next three years and then that's it. But
what is funny is the Rams, the forty nine ers

(40:49):
also picked their home games against the Seahawks to wear
their rivalry uniforms.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
I did not know that.

Speaker 4 (40:54):
Really, all three other teams chose Seattle.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
See the disdain for Seattle, well is almost it's more
it's universal. No, they're gonna blame the schedule. The real
story is just everyone everyone.

Speaker 5 (41:08):
I need to let him have his conspiracy theory.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
Everyone dislikes the Seattle Seahawks, in particular the twelves. Now, Darren,
what kind of plausible explanation could be other than that?

Speaker 7 (41:18):
Well, as you well know, Paul, the NFL is dotted
with the NFL schedules dotted with different things. Salute to
service sure, cancer awareness things like that. There's other things involved,
but there was only so many. First of all, everybody
was going to have to pick a division opponent, and
then it was also going to depend it couldn't be

(41:41):
too early in the season for various reasons. Originally I
had heard it couldn't be too late in the season,
but I think the forty nine ers ended up picking
Week eighteen after all that.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
Anyways, so funny how the Niners, by the way, change
this year to white uniforms the first six weeks of
the year at home. Why because they made the critical
mistake last year in week four it was five, week five,
Week five, when it was one hundred and eleven down
on the sideline, and they made the critical mistake of
having opted for the red jerseys, and the Cardinals were

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allowed to wear the.

Speaker 7 (42:10):
White well and to be to be going back on
that real quick. Teams have to put in what jerseys
are going to wear, like in the off season, early
in the off season, so when they were trying to
make a change like in the season, the league is like, no, no,
that's not happening, so so way better safe than sorry.

Speaker 5 (42:27):
So they don't know how hot it's going to be
so back to the Seahawks. It'll be twenty degrees.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Back to our disdain for the Seahawks. It's this dislike
of Seattle that is unifying. Oh yeah, that's a divided
country rat So it's I think we can all salute that. Yes, okay,
rivalry baby, rivalry uniforms. By the way, the state flag
on the sleeve needs to be a hat. They need
to put the state flag on a hat.

Speaker 4 (42:49):
We haven't even outlined in copper. It's pretty sweet.

Speaker 7 (42:51):
We haven't even talked about the red face masks, which
a lot of fans have talked about for a long time.
That has we have a red face mask now on
these helmets.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
So has that been a double thumbs up with the
fan base with the red the red face message.

Speaker 7 (43:01):
I mean, I think, like Danny said, I think pretty
across the board, I feel like these uniforms have been
accepted really really well. I know the players love them.
I know not everybody does. And I also think that
some of it is again under understand the target audience,
and you and me, Paul, are probably not the target audience.

(43:22):
Although again I love them a lot from the first
time I saw them, I love the details, like like
Danny was talking about, I love the copper in the beak,
on the helmet. I love the flag how it kind
of pops there. There's just there's different things that I
really like on it, and so and I thought, and
this is my opinion, but I think there are some

(43:44):
good parts to some of the other jerseys. But to me, overall,
it felt like the Cardinals did the most with trying
to make this a thing. Like I felt like every
all the other teams, it was a little bit more
low key of an effort in my opinion. Then I
I felt like we totally went outside the box.

Speaker 4 (44:02):
I agree when you're looking, I mean the desert and
whether or not they're stereotypes or they're real or maybe both,
I think does lend a little more help than like,
what do you kind of do when you're in Seattle
and it just rains all the time. I do want
to give propso to Buffalo, because I think we kind
of disagreed on that one. But I thought Buffaloes were
sick the all white and the icy blue and it's

(44:23):
a little silvery. I just Buffalo also hit.

Speaker 7 (44:27):
I will say this, when you first brought it up
to me, I hadn't looked super closely. I do love
that silver buffalo on the shoulder. Now, maybe for me,
I love the Cardinals white, and I don't see a
lot different between what Buffalo did and what the Cardinals
already have with the whites. So maybe I was just
used to it a little bit more. But I do
think there's some of the better ones.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
All right. So can I say the Cardinals' rivalry uniforms
they slap? Can I say that, Danny?

Speaker 4 (44:54):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (44:55):
Winning behavior? Let's get at it. Can you display winning behavior?

Speaker 8 (45:01):
You have to consistently display winning behavior.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
That's winning behavior. You've got to.

Speaker 8 (45:06):
Define what winning behavior is and hold people to that standard.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
Yes, all right, the Micah Parsons trade. Somebody threw this
in here.

Speaker 4 (45:17):
It wasn't me.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
Is this like gallows humor? How can this be winning behavior?
What are we talking about?

Speaker 3 (45:22):
Well?

Speaker 7 (45:22):
I mean, if you're the Packers, it's probably winning behavior.
Don't you think if you're Micah Parsons, it's probably winning behavior?

Speaker 2 (45:28):
Considering you gave up two draft picks that, if all
goes well, will be in the high twenties, and you
gave up an interior d lineman who already has some
miles on the odometer, and you got one of the
premiere pass rushers in the league. I would agree with Darren,
I'll take the guy off the edge. And Danny's laughing.

(45:49):
I'm not exactly sure why, and I'm wondering, is this
is what you were thinking about? It's my expense, I
would love.

Speaker 4 (45:54):
To know, not at your expense. It's just when it
is just re explained. Come on, is humorous. Look, I
have to be careful because if I really go in
depth about how I feel, people are gonna come at
me and say that I'm still a Cowboys home or
even though I'm not. It just it just Craig Greeley
believes that.

Speaker 5 (46:15):
Tell Craig to go take a long walk out for sure.

Speaker 4 (46:17):
Here's the thing, this just feels like malpractice because if
you were interested in making a trade for one of
the best defenders in the league, you should have been
having those conversations, even if you still wanted to get
a new contract done. You should have been having those
conversations in the spring so that teams could properly allocate

(46:40):
their cap space, so teams could figure out if they
wanted to make that trade and maybe leverage draft picks
from this year and affect how they draft. The Cardinals
could have gotten the oh okay, that's good, that's a
good fording slip. The Cowboys rather could have gotten so
much more than they did for Micah Parsons. You could
have gotten so much more than two first round picks

(47:01):
from a team that is a sending and expect to
be good and not be a very high draphic and
an older interior defensive lineman. If you wantly better at
stopping the run, that's one thing. But to completely twist
that and say that you feel more apt to win
a Super Bowl by not having Micah Parsons on the
field was just.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
So the Luca comparison, Yes, E is accurate in your opinion.

Speaker 7 (47:22):
Honestly, That's what I was just going to say. Is
to me, which is crazy because it's another Dallas team,
but it feels like the same. When I read ESPN
with Jeremy Fowler and Don Van Natta did a really
good long form about the kind of doing the TikTok,
the of the how it all went down, and them

(47:43):
talking about how the Cowboys had to give the Packers
permission to talk about the contract before they had even
really finalized what the the trade was going to be.
It feels so much like, again, the Dallas team picks
one team they're dealing with and then they're going from there.

Speaker 4 (48:01):
Look, this is not the first and it's not the
last player that the Cowboys are going to have some
sort of standoff with. This just became so messy and
felt like such a clash of egos. It did not
feel like a lot of other contract negotiations or discussions
that we hear, not just with the Cowboys and their
own players, but even around the league. I will say

(48:21):
I did have fun as soon as the news came out,
immediately turned tuning into some local coverage, a lot of
a lot of former colleagues, Dallas coverage, and you know,
former colleagues and people I respect, and hearing them talk
about the trade as if the sky was falling. Like
media coverage in Dallas is a whole different ballgame than

(48:42):
it is in Arizona. In Arizona, and to hear somebody
say right off the top that Jerry Jones was seemingly
trying to give Nico Harrison a run for his money
for worst GM. The city of Dallas has ever seen what,
you know.

Speaker 5 (48:56):
What wasn't winning behavior?

Speaker 8 (48:58):
Paul?

Speaker 7 (48:58):
Okay, there were sixteen AFC teams that Michael Parsons could
have gone to, and instead he just moves to another
team on the Cardinals schedule. So the Cardinals went from
facing Michael Parsons to facing my Michael Parsons.

Speaker 5 (49:12):
Michael Parsons, I'm sorry, yeah, misspoke?

Speaker 2 (49:14):
Oh my goodness. Yeah, all right, so let's see here
not winning behavior? Okay, there's only one Patrick Mahomes or
is there? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (49:24):
That Nebraska?

Speaker 2 (49:26):
That Nebraska game was something else? Was it not?

Speaker 8 (49:29):
Well?

Speaker 7 (49:29):
I remember that they were talking about this last year
with Nebraska's quarterback Dylan Royola, who wears fifteen whose hair,
he wears his hair the same, he wears glasses, He's
got the.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
Little same mannerisms and stuff.

Speaker 4 (49:39):
Whatever, They reached creepy territory because he has gone so
far as to say, oh, it's not my fault. I
look like Patrick Mahomes. But you have the same haircut,
and you wear the same clothes, and you do the
same routine when you're running out of the tunnel, when
you're like, you are intentionally trying to be like Mahomes.
And then Mahomes was at the game because it was
played at Arrowhead Stadium. A just we're entering like it's

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it's weird, it's creepy.

Speaker 7 (50:02):
At this point, Dylan Roola, who played a whole season
at Chandler High School among the what three or four
high schools he went to.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
Yes, yeah, it's a little uncomfortable, little bit, little bit,
there's no doubt to watch it.

Speaker 5 (50:14):
Watch him end up coming here in the draft in
a couple of years.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
What's this last one? Someone's gonna have to telp me.

Speaker 7 (50:19):
Oh, I'm going to help you with this because this
is awesome. This was from my mailbag, Paul. Okay, somebody
came in with a question and they said, I wanted
to reach out to you, Darren because you have omnipresent candor.
And I'm like, I'm bringing that up on the podcast.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
So that's a positive.

Speaker 7 (50:35):
I think that's winning behavior if I have omnipresent candor.

Speaker 5 (50:39):
Yes, absolutely?

Speaker 2 (50:40):
Is that a kinda like Kalais Campbell telling them like
it is in the film room with Darius Robinson.

Speaker 5 (50:45):
Is that I think I'd like to believe. So, Okay,
I see, although although.

Speaker 7 (50:50):
We there's one thing on here we don't have and
and I don't want to deprive Danny. I mean I
feel like and I know we've possibly but like, are
we are? We kind of you know, where are we officially?
With where Carolina is with their football program.

Speaker 4 (51:08):
I'm not even going to get into Bill Belichick and
his thirty four year younger girlfriend Jordan Hudson because you
deprived all of our Cardinals underground listeners of getting cultured
this week, so therefore I will be tight lipped.

Speaker 5 (51:21):
That's fair.

Speaker 7 (51:22):
I just I wasn't sure. Like we had a lot
to talk about with the Saints. We had to talk
about the coldest press box in the league, New Orleans,
which you don't ever have to deal with. No, but
I am telling everybody, including Danny here to bundle up,
which will be fun because it'll be like eighty five
with eighty five percent humidity outside the stadium and then
you'll get into the arctic freezing of the press box.

Speaker 4 (51:43):
I'm just excited for Saturday when Paul's gonna go down
a Bourbon street with me. We're gonna be drinking Herul
Hurricanes in one hand Vinyet's and.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
The other oh Benetes, Yeah, put me down for that.
The it's Tyron Matthew going to be there. By the way,
does anyone have any idea he is on the premiere Travel.

Speaker 7 (52:03):
He's he's going to be one of the hosts with
Patrick Peterson and Marcus Golden on the Cardinals Premiere Travel
to Dallas coincidental. Yeah, as we're sitting here talking about
the Micah Parsonless Cowboys.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
Because one of the most compelling big red rage editions
ever was a young Tyron Matthew and he actually took
us into his experience during Katrina as a young man,
and it was gripping stuff. And for him to tell
that whole tale and what the city went through and
his family, it was it was remarkable content to hear him.

Speaker 5 (52:35):
I do not know.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
By the way, do you see the two lane head
coach winning behavior. Did you see what he had to
say after the win over Northwestern? That's what happens to
you when you disrespect the city of New Orleans. Because
they wanted to wear some sort of throwback uniforms to honor.

Speaker 7 (52:50):
It was the same kind of deal as like the
forty nine ers. They wanted to change kind of last second,
and yeah, Northwestern said nope, yep, So now what do
you have been quite that boastful if they hadn't won
the game.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Come on, Darren, how cold is the press box? It's
not that cold? Come on, really, you said the same
thing about training camp and the you just have thin
Arizona blood.

Speaker 7 (53:12):
I feel like it warmed up a little bit in
the press box of training camp. I'm the good thing
about the New Orleans press box is they fixed the
elevators a couple of years ago, so now it's not
just one elevator going down like every seventy two minutes.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
By the way, I'll leave you to try and redeem
myself earlier and wise guy. I'll leave you with a
trivia question. Here we go.

Speaker 5 (53:30):
I thought he was talking about his early I.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
Threw this at I threw this at Craig Grielu and
Lorenzo Alexander and the Red Sea report. They did not
know the answer. Here's the question. How many team captains
are you allowed to send out for the coin toss? Danny?
You know the answer to this, Darren? How many? It
is an NFL rule?

Speaker 5 (53:51):
Is it fur?

Speaker 2 (53:52):
Now? Shalt not send out more than four? Final answer?

Speaker 5 (53:56):
Yes, six.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
You can send out up to six team captains at once,
but so just saying he's got to have less than six.
You can't just keep one guy back every week, right,
I don't know. Yeah, you could send out two, you
send out four, whatever you want, but if you're going
to send out the max, there would be one guy back.

Speaker 7 (54:15):
If you remember last year they only picked the four captains,
but then he'd pick a fifth as like.

Speaker 5 (54:21):
A weekly guy weekly dude, Yeah, well now they have seven.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (54:24):
Do you want to do you want to name all
those seven captains?

Speaker 2 (54:27):
Paul Dan did earlier, Danny already did.

Speaker 5 (54:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
By the way, how about the shoutout from Kalayis Kambell
and Mack Wilson Senior that uh, you know big things
are coming just threw that out there on his own,
I thought, just on his own, just you know, this
guy's going to be a ball or this guy's gonna
be a player, gonna have a great season, if you think.

Speaker 7 (54:48):
And mac Wilson's a good example with Froholt being a captain.
Another example, like it would be great to feel like
you have a front office and coaching staff that can
turn these guys that maybe weren't stars or just role
players and they get here and they become something more
that's that's huge and lights quite frankly not something that's

(55:11):
happened a ton on this team over the years.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
I just I just added yell to Froholt to the
first time Pro Bowlers list. Darren, I know hell love
the list, the running list right now. First time he
got a running list. He's gonna have like twenty guys
by mid seas. It's the power pole of most likely
first time Pro Bowlers Garrett Williams one, Paris Johnson Junior two,
Mac Wilson Senior three, Marvin Harrison Junior four, Blake gillick

(55:37):
in five, and yell To fro Hold six. I might
have to switch the punter with the center.

Speaker 4 (55:41):
I'm gonna propose there is a limit of how many
players as captains can run onto the field for the
point house. We might need to limit the amount of
players you can have on a Pro Bowl one.

Speaker 5 (55:51):
No, I think that's a fair all in favor.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
Say I, you know how there was a bonus practice
this week. I have a bonus Gret bonus grouse a complaint.
We did the fantasy football draft the other night. Why
if you can draft kickers, why are they not fantasy punters.
I demand that there should be a punter added to
fantasy football teams across America.

Speaker 4 (56:12):
There probably are league's, Paul, because last year was the
first year you'd played fantasy football, so this is still
somewhat new to you. It sounds like you might be
ready for an advanced version, or maybe you play like Dynasty,
or I have a friend's husband who's in a league.
And if you lose your matchup that week, you have
to place all of your players on the waiver wire
and essentially reassemble a new team if you don't win

(56:35):
your matchup. So really, the world is your oyster if
you want, if you want some different things of fantasy football.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
Paul Well, I don't know him this much, but I
know this much. In conclusion here and Danny's regular season ready,
I got a man, I gotta sharpen my edge over here.
I didn't. I wasn't quite aggressive enough for regular season podcasting.
I gotta next week it's here.

Speaker 6 (56:56):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (56:56):
You had a pretty hot start.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
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