June 17, 2025 • 51 mins
Let the information flow from Paul Calvisi, Darren Urban and Dani Sureck as the offseason program ends and the consideration of Kyler Murray in his prime continues. Also up for discussion, how many rushing yards Murray might have, the chemistry he will have with Marvin Harrison Jr. and others, Trey Benson as the other RB1, Trey McBride possibly leading the team in catches again, a probable increase in kickoff returns, what the numbers of the 53-man rosters might be. Dani also gets the guys cultured, and before Paul forgets, there’s some Winning Behavior too.
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Garrison dies for the en zone, he said, touchdown.
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Speaker 2 (00:35):
Touchdown, Tyler Murray. That defender is in multiple pieces. Oh
that was nasty right there. Rights slam the ground by
fooda baker like a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield.
I ain't scared of nobody.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Here's Paul Calvic.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Alright, we're gonna need to show a hands right here
off the top. I don't know Darren already. You're so
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(01:15):
I walked into the breakroom, and here's where the show
of hands comes in. Who enjoys some of the infused water,
the flavored water, watermelon, raspberry, I enjoy.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
I enjoy what my mom likes to call spaw water.
I don't enjoy all the flavors we have at our
disposal at all times.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
So I'm picky.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
You're picky.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
I'm not picky.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I was expecting yes or no answer, but we yes, okay.
I mentioned that because I walked into the breakroom and
the spad water was flowing like the excellent Valdis. Someone
left the little valve open and it was.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Just pouring on you walk away knowing that.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
I don't know, And that's what I'm trying to figure out.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Did you clean it up or you we walked out, which.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
One of you enjoys the spa water? It made me,
you know, it's not me. It was so excited to
imbibe said spawater. They just left it flowing and walked away,
and it was all over the floor.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
And you, of course went in and turned it.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Off, turned it off, and it was it was sizable
like I said, a little beyond just a few paper towels.
So I called in the experts.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
Okay, you called in the experts. That's good.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
I outsourced it. Do what I do best. I just
passed the baton on that one. But hopefully I'll get all.
I'll get as much info and analysis an opinion out
of YouTube as was coming out of the SPA water
container earlier today. So just free flowing, and that's that's
my goal here.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
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Speaker 2 (02:43):
Thanks for paying attention. That was already said. As we
continue here, Darren Urban Poly Podcast Danny Sirek Darren soon
to go on vacation, So I guess it's an all
out battle royale between me and Danny to see who's
gonna be who's the captain of this ship. Starting next week,
we'll have to find that out. Maybe we'll know by
the end of this we know who's one of the
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four captains of the Arizona Cardinals. There's my segue into Kyler,
because you know what, you can start every single podcast
with Kyler if you wanted to. Uh this time of year,
you see Kyler on all sorts of different lists. Do
you not over the last two three months, you're.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
The one who's finding all the lists, Paul.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
He's on every single list you could imagine in terms
of like key players, there's a new one out Enigmas, right,
miss that one. Yeah, So there's a lot of you know,
poise for a rebound or breakout season, even though he's
been a two Pro Bowls already. There's a lot, just
a ton of different lists. Here's my question to you.
(03:44):
I put it to the two of you. The Cardinals
offense might look different this year with all the motion.
According to Trey McBride, it might look different in terms
of two RB ones. We'll get to that in a
little bit. How different could Kyler look going into year
seven of his career? How different could he play? For example,
(04:09):
Drew Petsy and Kyler talking about, you know, on the
move more out of the pocket, whether it's organic or
by design, trying to stress a defense.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
A little more.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
And I bring that up because I think it was
it was his second year he sent a career high
in rushing yards eight hundred something exactly. And I looked
at a recently eight thirty eight something like that one
hundred and thirty three rushes, I believe if you had to,
and you can't, but if you had to bet, Darren Rman,
do you think he would end up over or under
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that all time rushing mark in his career this year?
Because last year he did say a career high in
terms of yards per carry seven.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
Plus, I'm going to say, well under, well under, yeah,
I don't. It was funny when he had the eight
that second year, when he had the eight art, that's
what I thought was going to be the norm. And
I don't get the impression that he wants that to
be the norm. That's just my impression. I would love
to be wrong.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Sure, because around his softball game, when he's doing the
media rounds, he was talking more about how he needs
to be closer to Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen in
terms of threatening to defense and making those big plays
in big moments with his legs when it's available. So
I wonder, especially now in a seventeen game season versus
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a sixteen game season back in twenty twenty, when he
said his career high, maybe just maybe he ends up
closer to one thousand yard rushing seasons. Is that what
you think I would lean towards. Yes, I will lean
towards nine hundred yards of rushing this year out of
your career.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
I am going to bring that question back up to
you when we talk about possibly having two rb ones
later in the show. How do you have a quarterback
that's going to have almost one thousand rushing yards if
you're also going to have possibly two rb ones out
of the.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Backfield, Well, you know three RB one. Did I mention
there's only eleven passing attempts per game? Did I mention that?
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Okay, okay, that is important to note?
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Where else? How else can Kyler be different? Dare I
say better? If everyone's getting better season upon season? And
Kyler did say he's quote in his prime? Did he not?
Speaker 4 (06:17):
He did? I would?
Speaker 5 (06:21):
The first thing I think of that's doable is I
think he can get better, and hopefully he will get
better at essentially throwing his receivers open, getting getting the
ball to a Michael Wilson or a Marvin Harrison on
the move so they can get the yak yards that
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Michael Wilson was talking to me about a couple of
weeks ago, like, Hey, as receivers, we have to be.
I don't know if we're gonna there's gonna be a
lot more passing attempts overall, because obviously we know the
kind of offense they want to run. But we need
to turn some of these passing plays. We need to
get more yards out of him once we make the catch.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
It in stride is where the receivers need to be hit.
Ball security is another one eleven interceptions. When you think
back to last season, it was not just turning the
ball over, the decision making in some of them, which
Murray would talk about if the game was frustrating for him,
So just being smarter with the ball and then that
deep pass which we have seen from him throughout his career.
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The last year or so, it's been a drop off,
and that's a whole bunch of things coming together. Of
the timing, the protection, the routes being run, the defender,
all of those things coming into play together. We know
he's capable of it. Marvin Harrison Junior has shown last
season he had some moments where you could see he
was going deep and he was some of those contested
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balls were coming his way. They just couldn't connect enough
for me. It's decision making and accuracy and bringing back
the deep threat for this offense, because.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Right around twenty twenty twenty one is two Pro Bowl years.
If you look at the analytics on the efficiency in
terms of the chunk throw, I mean, he had some
of the best numbers in the league. He was top three,
top five two years in a row. And then as
the roster was, let's just say reset and he didn't
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maybe have a DeAndre Hopkins and right then, all of
a sudden, you know, those numbers were not nearly the same.
So I would agree with that the efficiency and the
effectiveness of the deep pass, just the success rate of
the d pass. Here's the other thing I'll throw out there,
and I do agree with that throwing receivers open the
chunk play via the air. And then I would say
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chemistry with everyone beyond Trey McBride. His chemistry with Trey
McBride is exceptional. Now can you generate some of that
same chemistry with Marvin Michael Wilson's A Jones, Greg Dortch.
Greg Dortch has been here and there, It's been hit
and miss, been really good at times. Considering he's the
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lawungus tenured Arizona Cardinals receiver, which is even a mind
blow for Greg Dortch as a guy who played for
five different teams in his first three years. He's got
a lot of traction in the last four or five
years with the Arizona Cardinals mus obviously. So in fact,
I would say, you take the Cardinals top five run game,
you take Trey McBride Pro Bowl tight end. If he
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could just get that sort of chemistry with one other weapon,
one of the receiving weapon, that really elevates this offense,
doesn't it. Oh yeah, that really makes it difficult for
a defense to account for all three of those type
of threats.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
I would agree with that. And again, what does that
look like statistically? I don't know. You know, it's really
easy to get ahead of what these stats can be
weird talking about the I mean, Kyler could have a
really good year running the ball and it might look
like six It might be six hundred yards, but it
would look different, right, it has, So I'm with you.
(09:58):
I just just to feel more comfortable. Well, it kind
of goes back to what Danny has said in the
past about connecting with Marvin, just in a more general way,
like is it chemistry is it the learning curve for Marvin.
I don't know exactly what to put it at because
(10:18):
I struggle with the whole chemistry thing in terms of
like how intangible it is. What does that really mean?
Like do they have to be best friends? Is it
because they got a lot of work together in the
off season, Well, there's no defense in the off season.
And then there's all these variables that even if they
know where they're supposed to be, if Kyler can't throw
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us through a certain window because of his height in
the pocket, or because Marvin isn't quick enough to get
off the press coverage or whatever it is, it doesn't
matter how much chemistry they have.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
You know, chemistry shows though in timing and understanding someone's
catch radius. To me, though, those are the first two
when you say that is the timing of when we've
talked about these off script plays, right of Murray rolling
out and use his legs and extending plays. That's chemistry
with the receivers of understanding the nuances of the quarterback,
what he's looking for in situations, the timing of their routes.
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And also when we're talking about contested catches, the catch radius.
Somebody like DeAndre Hopkins who had an insane catch radius.
You just threw it in his general vicinity and he
was coming down with it. The quarterback has to understand
that and the differences for each receiver. Right if he
has Wilson out by the sideline, where can he throw
it to keep it out of the defender's way while
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trusting his receiver is going to snag it in. And
that's where the chemistry can really show between a quarterback
and his receivers, even if you're working without a defender
in your face at this point in the off season.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Yeah, I don't know how you achieve it. I mean,
that's a valid question, Darren. You know, I don't think
it's necessary that your bestie's off the field or anything that,
but I think we all know what it looks like
when it happens, and it's definitely better than sixty something
catches on one hundred and sixteen targets. Right.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
Well, yes, I guess I guess where I'm going with
it is is like, is that chemistry or is that
just you practiced a bunch together. I mean, I guess
you could say it's the same thing, But when I
hear chemistry, it's it's it's deeper than the x's and o's,
and I'm not sure is deeper than the x's and o's.
It just means you've played together a lot. To me,
that's not necessarily chemistry. That's just you've got practice.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Yeah, no, I would agree.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
Not a game.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Not a game practice.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Man. Look, it's what Trey McBride talks about when you
ask him about that so called chemistry. He can't totally
define it other than like I said, and he's much
more comfortable in year three than he was year one.
And then he's got the reps going, you know, and
two years two and three combined. But there's just something
where he's able to make eye contact with Kyler and
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maybe go to the open spot, or he knows he
has a defensive back and his outside hips, so throw
it to the inside hips something like that. It's just
you're there when the quarterback is there in his reed,
if that makes sense, you know you can be open.
But if Kyler has his eyes elsewhere, it's not doing
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any good. You have to be in sync with your
quarterback when he's ready to throw it your way. And
it seems like Trey mcgride is excellent at that, especially
in key moments. But as far as the rb ones go, okay,
by the way, I did not realize that Trey Benson
is still twenty two years of age. Now before camp
he'll turn twenty three, but he is still really young.
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He only played two full years really because of injury,
I presume of college ball. So he was pretty honest
with the media when he said, you know what, a
lot of the beginning of my rookie year in twenty
twenty four, I was quote more panicky and more anxious,
and my mind was racing because.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
Like a a guy who doesn't save long sentences, that
was a pretty stress.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
It was pretty revealing, and you know, it's sort of shows, Okay,
you can be a big time player, and you can
have all the skills and the measurables, and you can
come out of Florida State. But still when you get
in an NFL locker room, you know you need to
build your own confidence, proved yourself that you belong and
it sounds like Trey Benson has done that. He says
he's seven pounds heavier than last year, but quote way
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more explosive and considering the way he looked in his
last year or three yainsy four. His season ended prematurely
with the ankle injury. He was definitely looking a lot
more like James Connor with every passing game, wasn't he.
So that would seem to fit the identity and style
of this run game really well.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
That was the whole idea in drafting Benson in the
first place, is wanting to make sure you don't have
a drop off when Connor is not in the game
and having similar runners. You have your third down back
and Amari de Mercado. They brought in Benson so you
can develop him and you can continue to have that
run threat, that force whoever is coming out of the backfield.
And you saw that progression, a typical progression from a
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rookie running back throughout the year, for Benson only played
thirteen games on his sixty three carries two hundred and
ninety one yards, yeah a touchdown. By adding in some muscle,
having an off season to train train with James Connor,
I'm expecting to see a jump from Benson, and I'm
also expecting to see a jump in the number of carries.
He has the opportunities because if you've got two running
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backs that you trust and you can use in the
same way, you might as well take a few snaps
off of Connor's plate to keep him healthy in the
long run.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
Danny's gonna be telling James Connor he's getting fewer snaps.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
No, I am not. Let's make it clear I because
this is where this came from. Was someone had asked
and media at the press conference recently to head coach
Jonathan Gannon about having two running backs between Benson and Connor,
and his answer saying, yes, and I think that's true.
I don't think that means we're gonna see a fifty
to fifty split. Can you see the level and the
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trust between two players the way you would for a
number one running back. Sure, it's not gonna be Okay,
we've got Connor play. Okay, he had a snaps. Just
put in Benson. No, Connor is still going to carry
the load. He's still going to set the tone. He's
still going to lead this off. They're going to be
able to rely on Benson more than they did as
a rookie, which makes sense. That's the natural progression. Although
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with you, Paul if if Kyler, Murray's got eight hundred,
one thousand rushing yards. I don't know. I don't know
they're splitting it.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
I know, yeah, there's probably not a lot of carries
left for James Connor. I'm sorry, you know, because Kyler's
gonna be out running the ball like it's Oklahoma. Okay,
here's the question I put the wolf two RB ones.
Will you see both running backs on the field at
the same time. Who's in favor of split backs behind
Kyler Murray under center? Who's thinking, you know what, let's
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throw both those guys out there at the same time.
We know how James Connor can catch it, how many
ridiculous one handed catches as he had over the year years,
and and if you know what, he ends up in
sort of a pseudo h back tight end role, and
he's out in a number of routes and you're using
him as a receiver out of the backfield more. I
could see that as an evolution to this offense, easily
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putting those guys out there at the same time.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
I wouldn't I would love to see that more often.
I don't want to see it a lot, I don't think,
but I liked the idea of that being an option,
especially if you've got third and manageable, and you got
McBride and Harrison and Wilson, and then you have these
two guys in the backfield on third and four. That's
that's a tough cover.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
And it keeps a defense, honest, doesn't all Right? Who's
getting the ball? And oh, by the way, Trey Benson
ran a four to three something at the combine? Can
our linebacker keep up with Trey Benson? Do we need
to put a safety or a dB on Trey Benson?
Now we got matchup issues. And if we're lighting in
the box because we have to match up against Trey
Benson because he's ultra quick, now we're just gonna cram
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it vertical. We're gonna go right at that extra dB
in the box because you had to pull out a linebacker.
I just think there's a lot of intriguing aspects of that.
And then you have two hundred and thirty pounds James Connor,
and if you believe the math on Trey Benson, he's
two twenty three, two twenty five. If you take last
year's waiting, he had seven pounds. So now, all of
a sudden in the second half, you talk about wearing
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down a defense. I mean, guys are my goal. Okay,
now we got two running backs coming at us like
freight trains. I could see like the road wins two
years ago at Philly where they wore down the defense
at Pittsburgh where they wore down the Steelers defense, and
James Connor was central to that. And I wonder if
it's a one to two punch, you know, wearing down
a defense.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
That's that's the best way to do it, right, if
you're a couple of guys that you're confident in doing it.
And I do want to see when we talk about
the snaps, Okay, are you playing them together? Are you
bringing Connor off the field, what happens on? Like is
Benson a guy that can play some third downs? Are
you confident as past protection if you need it? Or
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is Mario de Mercado still in the mix. Like It'll
be interesting to see how that all plays out.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
And I was guilty of this last year when we
were trying to do the math in the running back
room and we're thinking early in camp, right I was just.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Looking at the list of players right now, Paul. I
was just thinking this time last year, we were thinking
that Cardinals have to take five running backs. You've got
DJ Dallas for special teams, Michael Carter who is shifting
Amari demerc Amar de Mercado for third downs, and you
have to have Trey Benson and James Connor. And the
way that Cardinals went about it by having Michael Carter
on the practice squad ended up working out for them
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and what they needed on offense and on special teams.
Isn't that crazy though? That like, we're essentially having the
same conversation now with how many defensive linemen and DB's
are you going to take? And it was running backs
that we were having that talk with this time last year.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
And I do remember Wolf telling me I was dead wrong,
They're only to keep four, and he was right. And
so then when I started doing the math early and
Campbell like, well, you know, de Mercado is the odd
man out right wrong because they trust him, to your point, Darren,
on third down pass protection, protect that quarterback. It is essential, obviously,
could be the most important job any running back has.
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Don't get your franchise quarterback killed and knocked out for
the season, and they trust to Mari de Mercado. So
all of a sudden middle last year in camp and
you're like, wait a minute, De Mercado is like second
in almost every drill and he's second up And Okay, yeah,
we're reading this one wrong, because yeah, he did earn
a roster spot.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
So not ideal.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Yeah, so we'll see, we'll see. At the same time,
when Michael Carter got some reps in the last two
three games last season, he made a lot of defenders
look really stupid.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Look, they have a really strong running back room.
Speaker 5 (20:23):
And that's one of the reasons why I thought you
were off your rocker, Paul, when you talked about Campskattaboo
coming here.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Wait a minute, what are you sure? Just because I
like the cam at vertical that was I was gonna
go with that.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Did you use that? I don't remember you reckon that?
Did he break that out?
Speaker 2 (20:38):
I broke it out? And by the way, Wolf already
ripped it off on his radio show. I'll just tell
you that right now.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
It's cool, Darren says all this, but he already has
a giant Skataboo jersey hanging in his office at home.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
That's right. There's anyone forty four there's anyone who's Skataboo
fanboy around here. It's the ASU alum right there in
the middle. Absolutely right about that. Okay, Now, let me
ask you're still talking offense. If Trey McBride is still
the leading receiver on this offense, do you think that's
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because there's still shortcomings in the receiver room? How viable
is that? Do you consider that ideal? I mean, the
Ravens have done a lot of damage over the years
without the greatest receiving room. Mark Andrews has been their
leading receiver. Patrick Malmes has won a Super Bowl without
a All Pro receivers and Travis Kelcey was his go
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to guy obviously for the last half decade. George Kittle,
and think of all the injuries and Niners have had
to their receiver room over the years, George Kittle has
always been a constant. So I mean, if Trey McBride
is your top receiver overall, is that potentially a problem?
Speaker 3 (21:46):
No. As long as you're getting from A to C.
I don't care where BA is in the middle. And
if the Cardinals don't have maybe that deep passing game
like we were talking about that they had in years past,
I'm okay. If you're hitting a tight end and he's
getting yards after catch, which McBride does every single time
he has the ball in his hands, five hundred and
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thirteen yards after catch last year. I'm totally okay with that,
considering how reliable McBride is, how consistent he is with
his catches, how tough he is to bring down on
a first contact. You want to be able to rely
on your wide receivers, especially Harrison, your wide receiver one
fourth overall pick. You have to have both. It's not
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a problem though, if McBride is your go to player
and that's what gets you to move the chains and
you end up putting points on the board.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
I wrote the story along these lines, and I think
I absolutely don't think it's a problem. Now, again, how
does that manifest itself throughout the rest of the offense.
I don't think it's an issue if Tree McBride's you're
leading pass catcher. But again, can you count on some
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big plays from those other guys? Can Michael Wilson some
big plays here and there? Definitely can Marvin Harrison make
some big plays here? You mentioned winning the Super Bowl
with Travis Kelce, which is true, but now not all
of them. But they did win one with Tyreek Hill.
Now he wasn't their leading receiver, I don't think, but
obviously that was the game changer. So you.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Want to be able to move around.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
But I I've never if Trey McBride's going to play
at this level, I think you're just fine. I mean,
we're not talking about Freddy Jones being your leading tight
end receiver.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
But but and as much as we joke about it,
they have to figure out how to get him more
touchdown catches. Right, that can't happen, Tray that can't happen. Again,
here's the way that Cardinals make the playoffs and Trey
McBride only has two touchdown catches.
Speaker 5 (23:48):
I would generally agree, although the Cardinals were like top
five in the league in terms of touchdowns on goal
to go. Now that's not red zone. There's a difference there.
So you got to be able to get But when
I think of gold got situations, that's when you're looking
for your tight end in the past game a lot
of times and they did just fine. So you know,
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where's that disconnect? Obviously? I just I feel like, yeah,
you would definitely wanted to get another touchdown. I mean,
let's face it, what was what's the greatest Trey McBride
and touchdown pass potential touchdown pass memory of last year.
It's not of the touchdown, it's the trying to go
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to him in the end zone and have to be
picked off against the ram.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Did aflection off the helmet week seventeen at the goal line?
Come on, man. Yeah. By the way, Kyler's record year rushing,
just to let you guys know, he had eleven rushing touchdowns.
He was dangerous in twenty twenty.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
Yeah, he was pretty he was pretty dangerous that year.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
I mean, you find some of the best teams in
the red zone, and you'll find some of the best
teams in the NFL. So if you can find out
figure out a way to to unlock Tray McBride a
little bit more in the red zone and get them
more touchdowns.
Speaker 5 (25:03):
Yeah, apparently the ten to twenty yard range is where
they need to up their game.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
And if Kyler can keep a defense honest and you
know what, Okay, maybe he doesn't run for nine hundred
yards calvy see, but if he can get in the
end zone a little bit more with his legs, I
think that's where this offense could take a huge step
board and that's something they haven't done really since that
Pro Bowl season of twenty twenty. So I'm serious because
you know, look, when he was drafted Kyler Murray, that's
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one of the things you heard from coaches on both
sides of the ball. He's gonna be such a weapon
with his four to three in the red zone. He's
gonna be able to outrace defenders to the pylon. And
that's something that's gonna really keep defensive coordinators up all
week leading up to game day. So you know what,
at least I know I'm more in favor of seeing
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that with more regularity.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Absolutely. Think of San Francisco last season Week four, when
he called the touchdown he was barely five yards off
line of immage. Is what a forty five yard rushing
touchdown in the heat? He still has that. This is
not something where Okay, we saw this sum Murray his
first two years in the league. It's it's dropped off,
it's tapered off after his knee injury. Not the case.
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It's just a matter of having that more in this offense,
having it in the in the game plan a little
bit more.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Just to mention of one eleven degrees in Santa Clara
last year in Week five, I need a break. So
you know what, Danny, We're gonna toss it to you.
Danny will segue.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
To you getting cultured. With Danny, it is not just
directed at.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Paul am I the default uncultured philistine around here.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
Yes, he got me very excited.
Speaker 5 (26:38):
Now I am on.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Social media and consume more at pop culture than both
of you combined.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
I think I'm being unfairly profiled. But go ahead, let's go.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Huge news came out this week. Huge Joey Chestnut announced
he is returning to the Nathan's famous Fourth of July
hot dog eating contest. He missed last year's due to
a track dispute. He's making his return twenty twenty one.
He ate seventy six hot dogs and buns and ten minutes,
which set a world record. He since broken it with
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eighty three at a different event.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
No, I hope, I hope that when they're editing this
together for YouTube, that we cut to Paul's face when
Danny read that, because he got the biggest smile on
his fee.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Do you guys watch that on the phone?
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Oh no, I do, absolutely, I watch it. First Off,
Joe Joey Chestnut the four oh eight San Jose's own
Joey Chestnut. Uh, it is remarkable. I'm not exactly eating
my July fourth barbecue after watching that event. It takes
me a little while to mentally recover from watch.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
Your hockey puck Hamburgers.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
That's not funny, by the way, You know, okay, I
might have burned a bash of Burger's, but for the
family to go into my office, grab an actual Coyotes
hockey puck and put vulcanized rubber between a couple of
Hamburger buns and then put it on the plate in
the kitchen to mock me, That's that's not funny. It
hurt my feeling.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
It is very gross to watch, especially when they dunk
the buns in the But I have to tune in
so Joey Chestnut will be there.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
I did not know that appointment viewing. Here we go next.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
On the list, supposedly, and I saw on the internet,
so it must be true. Pope Leo and Madonna are cousins.
There is a historian who put in The New York
Times they are supposedly ninth cousins various times removed through
a maternal ancestor born in the fifteen nineties. And I
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saw this online because I saw I saw a funny
tweet that I saw a funny tweet that claimed that
Pope Leo got the title the job from nepotism because
Madonna wrote like a prayer that was clever. He is
also supposedly cousins with Hillary Clinton, Justin Bieber and Angelina Jolee.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
What okay?
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Okay, I saw it online. Ball It's true.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
She's from Detroit, He's from Chicago. So okay.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
And lastly, the Men's College World Series, the Arkansas Picture
gauge Wood through a no hitter against Murray State, third
picture in College World Series history to do so. However,
Murray State does still have a leg up on Arkansas
in the Jello Shot challenge at Roccos Bar, the famous
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car in Omaha, where they keep a list a tally
of people who buy jello shots for the team hurting. Okay,
they have a whiteboard that when you buy a Jello
shot for whatever team it is, they are constantly updating
the numbers. Usually l LSU LSU it has it in
the bag. When I checked just before recording, they had
like seventeen or eighteen thousand jello.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Shots for them in the literally.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Yes, uh, Murray State is at number two, Arkansas at three.
That's your update. He's been cultured. You're welcome.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
Can I can I have an additional culture? Did you
see this about Arange?
Speaker 4 (29:50):
I don't know this, Angel.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Rees, I did. I almost included this.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
I gotta throw this out there. So Angel Reese WNBA
player who is kind of infamous for getting lots of
double doubles, points and rebounds. But part of the reason
she gets double doubles is because she's not a very
good shooters rebounding ole miss shots. So she was being
trolled on the internet for getting me bounds.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
That's good.
Speaker 5 (30:16):
So she copyrighted it and now is putting out merchandise
with me Bounds on it.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Wow, well done. Pay Oh my goodness, come on, how
much money? How much revenue can you yearn from me bounds? Really?
Speaker 5 (30:28):
Really, it's anybody who doesn't like Caitlin Clark where is
an Angel Rehes fan will probably buy it.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Paul already has three in his cart.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
That I just need, I need to jump on.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
I hope you didn't appropriate.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
That was good, okay, And that is getting cultured. With Danny.
Well done. I did actually learn a few things there,
so normally notically.
Speaker 5 (30:51):
Did you see the smile when you said Joey Chestnut,
big smile.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
That's huge. That's huge. That's uh, that is big. Okay,
I mean, come on, the Hot Dog Eating Contest can't
live without Joy Chestnut and Joy Chestnut can't live without
their July fourth.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Now, I am intrigued for a few things. Of one,
how they stretch their stomach. Supposedly it's a lot. It's
high quantity of low calorie foods like cabbage and expanding
your stomach. But I wonder if they prep like how
many hot dogs are you eating in preparation for this?
Speaker 2 (31:23):
I heard they stretch their stomachs with just gallons and
gallons of water or milk.
Speaker 5 (31:27):
Ugh, alright, this is okay, throw up now?
Speaker 2 (31:33):
All right? So, speaking of expanding, is that a segue
to kick off returns? Because Jeff Rogers said they're going
to go from twenty five to seventy percent.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
That's a pretty big jump. I thought, that is.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
I mean, that's Joy Chestnut's seventy six hot dog esque.
I mean, are you serious with that? I mean really,
I mean they're give so I'm all on board.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
They're they're moving the touchback now is going to go
from the twenty five yard line to the thirty yard line.
So now all of a sudden, no, no, from the
thirty to thirty five. That's right, thirty to thirty five.
My bad, my bad. Yeah. So yeah, to let a
team start at the thirty five, you're not gonna want
to do that. So you're gonna want to kick it
short of the into the kicking zone or whatever you
call it.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
And so how equipped are the Cardinals to use this
as a competitive advantage. DJ Dallas above average return man
in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (32:20):
Assuming he's that guy with going back to the running
backs who's making the team.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Just saying, I mean DJ Dallas is on every single special.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
Team, I would think he's going to be I mean
he is.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
He is such a nuisance, him and Joy Blunt on
special teams, like it's no surprise when the Cardinals had
the joint practice at Indy last year that almost instantly, Yes,
he was at the middle of a folk room. He's
the Fulkroum point of you know, just everyone wanted a
piece of DJ Dallas.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Makes sense why when Dallas signed last offseason, special teams
coordinator Jeff Rogers said that he was glad to no
longer be tackling Dallas, who was with Seattle previously.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
He is the ultimate irritant.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
He's a brick like he's tough to bring down, and
he took it to the house on the Dynamic kickoff
in Buffalo Week one last year.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Anybody remember weebel wobbles, Remember, yeah, I mean, don't tell,
don't tell DJ Dallas. I said that, but you know,
he sort of has that body type. You see. He
sort of plays that.
Speaker 5 (33:19):
Way Weebo's wobble, but they don't fall down.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Paul Rumph. There we go. That's a dank. Greg Dort
should be in the mix to be a return man.
Trey Benson I would presume could be a return man.
Am I missing anyone else? And he else could be
a Xavier Weaver maybe in a pinch, I don't know, uh,
presuming he's on the team. I mean, look, there are
twenty eight draft picks right now on this team. Every
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single draft pick that Manti Osaffort has made in three
years is currently on this roster. No longer is a
GM getting rid of somebody else's draft picks. Now this year,
come late August, you get to fifty three. Guess what
this is gonna be your own blood, sweat and tears.
That's gonna be getting the waiver wire.
Speaker 5 (34:01):
Yes, and we said this last year, we expected a
couple guys to get picked up, and I don't know
if it happened. I'll be honest, I definitely think there's
a chance this year. The other thing, too, is like,
are you gonna be able to get a couple guys
to the practice squad that you really want? And then
are we going to have a cam Thomas type trade
where you're dealing a guy that you're gonna cut and
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getting a six or seventh round pick out of it
just to get something before you let him go.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
For example, they let Ben Stilly go a month ago
or so. I mean he's a legitimate NFL defensive lineman. Yes,
I mean he is. He is on a fifty three
somewhere and I think they probably just did him a solid.
I agree with that and say, hey, Ben, guess what,
you know what, you have a future in this league.
You can earn a living for one of the other
thirty one teams. Because it's not happening in this defensive
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line room, not this year.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Throughout the last couple of years we've talked about there's
not an allegiance of this new front office and the
decisions they were making of figuring out what players do
they want to keep from the previous regime and how
they wanted to build this team moving forward. Not the
case anymore.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
On Red Seat report Our, Jim Olmhundro went back to
last year's final roster construction, the final cut to fifty
three and for example, Week one Cardinals had six corners
on that roster. They had four safeties. They had sixty linemen.
There's no way you only have sixty linemen. It is
currently at least seven. Conversely, you're gonna have to pull
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that extra number from somewhere.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
So it's not going to be a safety.
Speaker 5 (35:31):
Six corners, No, probably five corners.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
I would think it's not going to be a safety
if you've got Buddha Baker, Jalen Thompson, Rabbit, and Joey
Blunt for special teams.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
Could it be inside linebacker? How many inside linebackers.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
There were four that broke camp a year ago, five
outside linebackers. Nine total between inside and outside linebacker a
year ago. I think there's there were nine offensive linemen
a year ago. If you have guys with really stellar
positional flexibility, could you get away with eight?
Speaker 5 (36:00):
Well, let's not forget one of those nine last year
was Christian Jones. Was it not?
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (36:05):
And he was basically red shirting because they knew he
wasn't gonna make it through That is true. He wasn't
gonna make it through waivers. So you're basically trying to
hang on to him.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Now you have three main tight ends. Are you getting
away with three? Because last year you had four out
of camp?
Speaker 5 (36:17):
I think you're gonna get away with three? And you
have somebody on the practice squad that would be my guess.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
And you broke camp a year go with six receivers.
That ain't happening. No five tops, right, I would think.
So again, you need an extra body or two for
defensive line. You have a ton of young corners. I mean,
are you gonna let a really talented young corner hit
the street? Maybe you do go with six.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
I don't know if we're saying five. And again, we
have seen very limited things on the fuel throughout a
combination of OTA's and mandatory mini camp off the top
of your head. If we're going to say five, the
educated guest would be Starling Thomas, Max Melton, Will Johnson.
And then as you continue to work your way down
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Elijah Jones, where does Denzel Burke fit into this and
his role on special teams, the rookie and then what
other names are you looking at in your list, Paul
that I'm not even mentioning. I mean, Kee Troll Clark
is in that room.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Yeah, I mean, Jade Davis was a draft picks seventh
round or two years ago. Darren Hall is definitely service.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
Hall looked good in six season last year.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
He did.
Speaker 5 (37:28):
Darren Hall was the sixth corner last year.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
So maybe maybe it is five. And then he try
and stash some guys on the practice squad.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
So yeah, it's I mean, and I mean there are
a couple of these guys that, I mean, Will Johnson
is making this team, but Denzel Burke. Not only do
I think Denzel Burke is making this team, he could
make a run. He could make a run at some
plain time. I would not be shy. Now is he
gonna Is he gonna fall past Max Melton?
Speaker 5 (37:51):
No?
Speaker 2 (37:51):
I don't think so. But I think Denzel Burke has
a chance to come in and be very competitive.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Oh, Garrett Williams.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Oops, Garret Williams, hello, right off the top.
Speaker 5 (38:01):
Can we edit all that out?
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Okay? So that make sings a little more once again,
Garret Williams, Berling, Thomas will Johnson. So that's for automatics,
you have to And then after that there's the likes
of Denzel Burke, Elijah Jones, Key troll, classy easy, I say, relatively.
So there's that, okay. Uh. In terms of the I mean, look,
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there were three special teamers last year. Of course it
was the specialist, so you're right, yeah, Joey Blunt I
was gonna throw him in there, and then Keaton Crawford.
I mean, Keaton Crawford is making this team. I would
say he is a special teamer.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
You think he is?
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Yes, I would say, over JOT, I think they're gonna be.
They're going to there's gonna be DJ Dallas, Joey Blunt,
Keaton Crawford I think will make this team. So they're
keeping the three guys are given to Jeff Rocks, so
they're keeping five safeties, four quarterbacks. You gotta figure it
out somewhere Darren. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
You're figuring out.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
I can't do everything, Yes, you can't. What were the
numbers for inside linebacker again?
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Four? There were four a year ago. So you're inside
linebacker room right now. Mac Wilson Senior. Where are we here?
Owen Papo, who, by the way, is a sleeper. We'll
get to that in a later edition of Cardinals Underground.
Michael will Walker, Keen, Davis Gaither, and then Cody Simon.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
So that's five.
Speaker 5 (39:29):
So hello, people aren't making this team people.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
But once again, maybe my biggest takeaway from the off
season is Jonathan Gannon using the words more friction, and
then in his final media session before breaking for the summer,
he elaborated a little bit, said, we want to get
in pads a little bit more in a safe way.
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You know, we have a little more contact, So more friction. Okay.
I would say there's two sides of that one. Anything
and everything you can do to be the most physical
team you can possibly be. Jonathan Gannon wants to be
that team, and there are more physical teams out there,
as we learned last year when you went against the Lions.
Even the Redskins defensive the commander's defensive front, come holy
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go as I'm thinking two steps down the line of
forgetting what I'm saying in the moment. So there's that,
and then I think the other aspect of having a
more competitive camp is so you can figure out who's
making this team. True, it's not as easy as the
last couple of years where there might have been two
or three open positions. Tops you knew pretty much going
in who's coming out of camp. You don't know that
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this year. So you better play football to figure out
who's the best football player, especially.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
The amount of young players really on the defense. And
then when you're looking at the depth of offensive line, put
some pads on them and see what you really have
for the mount on the football field. We heard it
from every coach who took to the podium within the
last week or so, right before we broke the last time,
and we will hear from them until training camp, which
is there are some players who really come alive, They
shine when they put the pads on, and there are
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some players who disappear. They look great in what you're
seeing without any sort of that friction throughout OT's and
mini camps, and you put the pads on and you
just lose them.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
And I said this on Red Sea Report. I think
the biggest question mark I have, and you guys can
weigh in with yours. The biggest question I have going
into camp would be offensive guard. And you're going to
learn right away where your interior offensive linemen stand when
they're going against Dalvin Tomlinson. This is true, and Kalais
and then the two young first rounders and Darius Robinson,
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Walter Nolan, even LJ. Collier and some of those drills
is a handful. I mean he schooled some of the
Cardinals young offensive linemen in last year's camp, LJ. Collier.
So you're gonna know right you'll know whether Isaiah Adams
can handle the bull rush if he has added strength.
I think, what is it the fifth day camp? You
can go in pads. Yes, you know again that's appointment
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view And just like just like Joey Chestnut, appointment viewing
is the first O line d line, Drew, Let's be honest, agreed.
You know what isn't appointment viewing? And I'll leave you
with this is when I have to see the social
media postings by the stinking rams from MAUI I have
half a nerve to block the rams just based on
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the Maui social media content.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
Silly question. How are they allowed to do that? Is
it in the CBA where just it's it's pretty much
for mini camp wherever the team decides to do it.
That's where the players have to show up. There's nothing
in there about it being your.
Speaker 5 (42:34):
Homes as long as I would assume, as long as
the team's paying everybody's way where they travel.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
Okay, So why don't more teams do that?
Speaker 5 (42:43):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (42:43):
It's winning behavior on my part.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
I may say that I would say, and this is
complete abject speculation. This is the next Frontier you watch.
Teams are going to start selling their mini camps to
their international partners.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
Similar some teams travel for training camp. You're going to
start traveling.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
Bags.
Speaker 3 (43:05):
Someone asked for us to go up to Prescott.
Speaker 5 (43:07):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
They did that once upon a time. Em Very Riddle.
Once upon a time.
Speaker 5 (43:13):
Oh god, that's a story for another day as well,
Embry Riddle. I stayed in the fine thing. That was
not winning behavior.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
That was uh that was I remember it was Kurt
Warner and Company that was that team. Embory Riddle Okay.
Speaker 5 (43:27):
That was two thousand and five.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
Baby, there you go.
Speaker 5 (43:29):
Are we are we going to do some winning behavior?
Speaker 3 (43:32):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (43:32):
My bad?
Speaker 2 (43:33):
Okay, all right, I forgot that.
Speaker 4 (43:34):
I'm trying to push you in that direction, Paul, my bad.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Oh my goodness, I'm sorry, man, I'm fine. On my
I am I already on vacation here, I mean, what's
going on over here?
Speaker 5 (43:44):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Uh? Yes, indeed it is time, Darren already foreshadowing in
three two one?
Speaker 4 (43:52):
Can you display winning behavior?
Speaker 3 (43:53):
You have to consistently display winning behavior.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
That's winning behavior.
Speaker 5 (43:57):
You've got to define what winning behavior is and hold
people to that standard.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
Yes, all right, I'll start with this one. I think
in this divide in nation, can we all agree that
we hate and everybody hates photo radar? We start with
the show of hands. How about we end with the
war hands?
Speaker 3 (44:19):
So what you know?
Speaker 2 (44:20):
Who really hates?
Speaker 4 (44:22):
You know what photo radar is?
Speaker 5 (44:23):
Don't you?
Speaker 3 (44:25):
Why are you making me feel bad? What are we
talking about?
Speaker 5 (44:28):
Do they not have photo radar in Dallas?
Speaker 3 (44:31):
Are you talking about like a red light camera?
Speaker 4 (44:33):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (44:33):
Oh okay, sure, I've never heard it called that before.
Red light cameras.
Speaker 5 (44:38):
Well, but you can also have it for speeding.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
Okay, sure, I've just never heard it called that before.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
Danny is such a law abiding motorists, she hasn't noticed
tempee putting in about umptyen more photo radar and red
light cameras everywhere.
Speaker 3 (44:51):
Given the drivers in Arizona, I am actually in favor
of more because everyone in Arizona thinks that yellow means
speed up, and means speed up even faster. And let
me make this turn and cut off everyone who has
a green light waiting on me.
Speaker 4 (45:05):
Not waiting behaviors.
Speaker 5 (45:06):
Yeah, he says.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
You know, well, when you're the producer of top Gear,
one of the most well known and famous automotive shows,
if you don't know, just go ahead and search it up. Anyway,
he's the producer. And he got his license suspended, wait
for it, for driving twenty four miles per hour in
a twenty mile per hour zone. Let's just say in
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the UK there's zero tolerance.
Speaker 5 (45:29):
So that was on he got that was a camera
that wasn't a.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
Cop it was a camera and the camera was set
to like twenty miles per hour, like if you hit
twenty one, you're getting flagged. And because it was his
fourth fourth moving violation in less than two years automatic
suspension of said license.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
I did just learn. I didn't realize when you're driving.
I've really only seen these mostly in Scottsdale Paradise Valley area.
For me, like in Texas, it was just the red
light cameras at an inner section that's where you saw them.
But I guess here in Arizona they have it where
it's like propped up almost on like wheels, kind of
just like telling you the the speed limit. And I
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guess they have cameras in those.
Speaker 5 (46:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
Well, there was a former Cardinals quarterback who was a
rookie and let's just say once camp broke from Flagstaff,
he was then commuting from his place in the North
Valley down to the Cardinals practice facility and it was
long the one on one back when the one oh
one had several red light cameras, and let's just say
he was unaware and uh got nailed pretty good. He
got several, multiple of them male over the course of
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one month until he realized, hey, wait a minute, I
was doing the same speed every morning for how many
days in a row, and every single day you got
a ticket? All right, what else do we have in
the winning behavior? Sea Dog's tickets. Someone's gonna have to
explain that.
Speaker 4 (46:52):
One's my anecdote.
Speaker 3 (46:53):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (46:55):
The wife and I are talking about taking a couple
of days going to Portland sooner rather than later before
we get to the season, and she said, hey, let's
go to a minor league baseball game. So she looked
up to Portland Sea Dogs and she was like looking
it up, and I was getting she almost bought the tickets,
but then we got it kind of irritated because for
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some reason, this even if you buy tickets like right
on like first row by the dugout, it's still general
admission high high problem with that. So anyways, I'm sitting
there and we're mulling whether we want to spend the
money to go do this thing. And I'm like, so,
tell me who the the Sea Dogs are an affilly
of She's like the Red Sox. I'm like, okay, that
Red Sox are. Who do they play? Oh it's the
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yard Goats, Oh the yard which I got very excited
about it. I wanted to see the yard Goats.
Speaker 4 (47:43):
Where's her? Where's the yard Goats? Where do they play?
That's Hartford.
Speaker 5 (47:45):
I'm like, I'm like, that's that really is wild wild,
like you're you're First of all, I'm surprised that the
Red Sox have a team in Portland. And secondly, I'm
surprised there Hartford, some minor league team is going to
fly out to Portland to go do this. And it
hit me like a ton of bricks. And I'm like, Chris,
did you buy the tickets yet? No? What is this Portland,
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Oregon that these this team plays in. I don't know.
Let me look, it was Portland, Maine. Thank god she
didn't buy the tickets. I would not have been able
to make it. Now, it turns out there is a
minor league team half hour outside of Portland, the Hillsboro Hops,
who happened to be a Diamondbacks team. Sure, so we
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will be going to see Hillsboro Hops.
Speaker 3 (48:32):
You know what I like about that story is very
close to when this was all happening. Just before, I
had been talking to Darren about vacations and he had
said to me, yeah, we're thinking of going to Portland,
And I said, oh, Oregon or Maine, and he gives
me this look that says, why on earth would anybody
want to go to Portland, Maine. I'm obviously talking about Portland, Oregon.
Speaker 5 (48:53):
I don't think that's quite what I said, but pretty
much what you said.
Speaker 3 (48:56):
With your eyes and lo and behold, this is what happens.
Speaker 4 (49:00):
She's reading my eyes again.
Speaker 2 (49:02):
Okay, yeah, it's a former Oregon resident. I've covered my
share of Oregon minor league baseball. So make it happen,
Darren Hill or whatever you know, the medfordays. You know
you can. Okay, let's see here. What else? Oh, speaking
of baseball, Cardinals rookie Walter Nolan the third throughout the
first pitch didn't bounce. It didn't bounce it. Of course,
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I will say, you know what, it was better than
Trey McBride, noted high school baseball player in this regard,
Trey McBride stood about fifteen feet from the catcher. Like,
come on, Trey, it means one thing to not get
on the mound.
Speaker 4 (49:36):
Here's the problem.
Speaker 2 (49:36):
At least get in the dirt at the front of
the mound. Come on, now, not.
Speaker 5 (49:39):
Allowed to They aren't allowing the Diamondbacks. Aren't You have
to like be within like whatever? That short that's why
Nolan was so close. You're not allowed to go stand
anywhere near the mountain.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
Really, Yeah, why they're trying to cut down the risk
factor of that ball getting.
Speaker 5 (49:55):
I'm guessing it as there has more to do with like, okay,
we're an artificial turf, but if you go up on
the mound, that's actually been all.
Speaker 2 (50:05):
Right, I got you.
Speaker 4 (50:05):
I'm assuming that's what it is.
Speaker 5 (50:07):
I'm just happy that uh Nolan got it to the
because I think he said he had never actually played
baseball and really thrown a baseball, So.
Speaker 2 (50:16):
Yeah, okay, well it didn't stop fifty cent back in
the day.
Speaker 5 (50:19):
Or Taylor Lewan who did it a couple of weeks
ago Andrew terrible and then tweeted it out and said,
this was worse than my Chandler Jones game when he
gave up like five sacks to Chandler Jones.
Speaker 2 (50:31):
You know it's bad because I was on the sideline
and the epic Chandler Jones five sack game when the
entire Cardinals sideline is yelling out, why are they not
giving Taylor Lawan any hell the Chandler Jones, Like, coach,
can I get back out there. I want to get six, seven.
Speaker 4 (50:46):
And eight Chaparral's own Taylor Lawan baby.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
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the flavored water, watermelon, raspberry, I enjoy.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
I enjoy what my mom likes to call spaw water.
I don't enjoy all the flavors we have at our
disposal at all times.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
So I'm picky.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
You're picky.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
I'm not picky.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I was expecting yes or no answer, but we yes, okay.
I mentioned that because I walked into the breakroom and
the spad water was flowing like the excellent Valdis. Someone
left the little valve open and it was.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
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Speaker 2 (01:54):
I don't know, And that's what I'm trying to figure out.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Did you clean it up or you we walked out, which.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
One of you enjoys the spa water? It made me,
you know, it's not me. It was so excited to
imbibe said spawater. They just left it flowing and walked away,
and it was all over the floor.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
And you, of course went in and turned it.
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Off, turned it off, and it was it was sizable
like I said, a little beyond just a few paper towels.
So I called in the experts.
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Okay, you called in the experts. That's good.
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I'll get as much info and analysis an opinion out
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Speaker 2 (02:43):
Thanks for paying attention. That was already said. As we
continue here, Darren Urban Poly Podcast Danny Sirek Darren soon
to go on vacation, So I guess it's an all
out battle royale between me and Danny to see who's
gonna be who's the captain of this ship. Starting next week,
we'll have to find that out. Maybe we'll know by
the end of this we know who's one of the
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four captains of the Arizona Cardinals. There's my segue into Kyler,
because you know what, you can start every single podcast
with Kyler if you wanted to. Uh this time of year,
you see Kyler on all sorts of different lists. Do
you not over the last two three months, you're.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
The one who's finding all the lists, Paul.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
He's on every single list you could imagine in terms
of like key players, there's a new one out Enigmas, right,
miss that one. Yeah, So there's a lot of you know,
poise for a rebound or breakout season, even though he's
been a two Pro Bowls already. There's a lot, just
a ton of different lists. Here's my question to you.
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I put it to the two of you. The Cardinals
offense might look different this year with all the motion.
According to Trey McBride, it might look different in terms
of two RB ones. We'll get to that in a
little bit. How different could Kyler look going into year
seven of his career? How different could he play? For example,
(04:09):
Drew Petsy and Kyler talking about, you know, on the
move more out of the pocket, whether it's organic or
by design, trying to stress a defense.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
A little more.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
And I bring that up because I think it was
it was his second year he sent a career high
in rushing yards eight hundred something exactly. And I looked
at a recently eight thirty eight something like that one
hundred and thirty three rushes, I believe if you had to,
and you can't, but if you had to bet, Darren Rman,
do you think he would end up over or under
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that all time rushing mark in his career this year?
Because last year he did say a career high in
terms of yards per carry seven.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
Plus, I'm going to say, well under, well under, yeah,
I don't. It was funny when he had the eight
that second year, when he had the eight art, that's
what I thought was going to be the norm. And
I don't get the impression that he wants that to
be the norm. That's just my impression. I would love
to be wrong.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Sure, because around his softball game, when he's doing the
media rounds, he was talking more about how he needs
to be closer to Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen in
terms of threatening to defense and making those big plays
in big moments with his legs when it's available. So
I wonder, especially now in a seventeen game season versus
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a sixteen game season back in twenty twenty, when he
said his career high, maybe just maybe he ends up
closer to one thousand yard rushing seasons. Is that what
you think I would lean towards. Yes, I will lean
towards nine hundred yards of rushing this year out of
your career.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
I am going to bring that question back up to
you when we talk about possibly having two rb ones
later in the show. How do you have a quarterback
that's going to have almost one thousand rushing yards if
you're also going to have possibly two rb ones out
of the.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Backfield, Well, you know three RB one. Did I mention
there's only eleven passing attempts per game? Did I mention that?
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Okay, okay, that is important to note?
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Where else? How else can Kyler be different? Dare I
say better? If everyone's getting better season upon season? And
Kyler did say he's quote in his prime? Did he not?
Speaker 4 (06:17):
He did? I would?
Speaker 5 (06:21):
The first thing I think of that's doable is I
think he can get better, and hopefully he will get
better at essentially throwing his receivers open, getting getting the
ball to a Michael Wilson or a Marvin Harrison on
the move so they can get the yak yards that
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Michael Wilson was talking to me about a couple of
weeks ago, like, Hey, as receivers, we have to be.
I don't know if we're gonna there's gonna be a
lot more passing attempts overall, because obviously we know the
kind of offense they want to run. But we need
to turn some of these passing plays. We need to
get more yards out of him once we make the catch.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
It in stride is where the receivers need to be hit.
Ball security is another one eleven interceptions. When you think
back to last season, it was not just turning the
ball over, the decision making in some of them, which
Murray would talk about if the game was frustrating for him,
So just being smarter with the ball and then that
deep pass which we have seen from him throughout his career.
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The last year or so, it's been a drop off,
and that's a whole bunch of things coming together. Of
the timing, the protection, the routes being run, the defender,
all of those things coming into play together. We know
he's capable of it. Marvin Harrison Junior has shown last
season he had some moments where you could see he
was going deep and he was some of those contested
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balls were coming his way. They just couldn't connect enough
for me. It's decision making and accuracy and bringing back
the deep threat for this offense, because.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Right around twenty twenty twenty one is two Pro Bowl years.
If you look at the analytics on the efficiency in
terms of the chunk throw, I mean, he had some
of the best numbers in the league. He was top three,
top five two years in a row. And then as
the roster was, let's just say reset and he didn't
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maybe have a DeAndre Hopkins and right then, all of
a sudden, you know, those numbers were not nearly the same.
So I would agree with that the efficiency and the
effectiveness of the deep pass, just the success rate of
the d pass. Here's the other thing I'll throw out there,
and I do agree with that throwing receivers open the
chunk play via the air. And then I would say
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chemistry with everyone beyond Trey McBride. His chemistry with Trey
McBride is exceptional. Now can you generate some of that
same chemistry with Marvin Michael Wilson's A Jones, Greg Dortch.
Greg Dortch has been here and there, It's been hit
and miss, been really good at times. Considering he's the
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lawungus tenured Arizona Cardinals receiver, which is even a mind
blow for Greg Dortch as a guy who played for
five different teams in his first three years. He's got
a lot of traction in the last four or five
years with the Arizona Cardinals mus obviously. So in fact,
I would say, you take the Cardinals top five run game,
you take Trey McBride Pro Bowl tight end. If he
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could just get that sort of chemistry with one other weapon,
one of the receiving weapon, that really elevates this offense,
doesn't it. Oh yeah, that really makes it difficult for
a defense to account for all three of those type
of threats.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
I would agree with that. And again, what does that
look like statistically? I don't know. You know, it's really
easy to get ahead of what these stats can be
weird talking about the I mean, Kyler could have a
really good year running the ball and it might look
like six It might be six hundred yards, but it
would look different, right, it has, So I'm with you.
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I just just to feel more comfortable. Well, it kind
of goes back to what Danny has said in the
past about connecting with Marvin, just in a more general way,
like is it chemistry is it the learning curve for Marvin.
I don't know exactly what to put it at because
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I struggle with the whole chemistry thing in terms of
like how intangible it is. What does that really mean?
Like do they have to be best friends? Is it
because they got a lot of work together in the
off season, Well, there's no defense in the off season.
And then there's all these variables that even if they
know where they're supposed to be, if Kyler can't throw
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us through a certain window because of his height in
the pocket, or because Marvin isn't quick enough to get
off the press coverage or whatever it is, it doesn't
matter how much chemistry they have.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
You know, chemistry shows though in timing and understanding someone's
catch radius. To me, though, those are the first two
when you say that is the timing of when we've
talked about these off script plays, right of Murray rolling
out and use his legs and extending plays. That's chemistry
with the receivers of understanding the nuances of the quarterback,
what he's looking for in situations, the timing of their routes.
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And also when we're talking about contested catches, the catch radius.
Somebody like DeAndre Hopkins who had an insane catch radius.
You just threw it in his general vicinity and he
was coming down with it. The quarterback has to understand
that and the differences for each receiver. Right if he
has Wilson out by the sideline, where can he throw
it to keep it out of the defender's way while
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trusting his receiver is going to snag it in. And
that's where the chemistry can really show between a quarterback
and his receivers, even if you're working without a defender
in your face at this point in the off season.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Yeah, I don't know how you achieve it. I mean,
that's a valid question, Darren. You know, I don't think
it's necessary that your bestie's off the field or anything that,
but I think we all know what it looks like
when it happens, and it's definitely better than sixty something
catches on one hundred and sixteen targets. Right.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
Well, yes, I guess I guess where I'm going with
it is is like, is that chemistry or is that
just you practiced a bunch together. I mean, I guess
you could say it's the same thing, But when I
hear chemistry, it's it's it's deeper than the x's and o's,
and I'm not sure is deeper than the x's and o's.
It just means you've played together a lot. To me,
that's not necessarily chemistry. That's just you've got practice.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Yeah, no, I would agree.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
Not a game.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Not a game practice.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Man. Look, it's what Trey McBride talks about when you
ask him about that so called chemistry. He can't totally
define it other than like I said, and he's much
more comfortable in year three than he was year one.
And then he's got the reps going, you know, and
two years two and three combined. But there's just something
where he's able to make eye contact with Kyler and
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maybe go to the open spot, or he knows he
has a defensive back and his outside hips, so throw
it to the inside hips something like that. It's just
you're there when the quarterback is there in his reed,
if that makes sense, you know you can be open.
But if Kyler has his eyes elsewhere, it's not doing
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any good. You have to be in sync with your
quarterback when he's ready to throw it your way. And
it seems like Trey mcgride is excellent at that, especially
in key moments. But as far as the rb ones go, okay,
by the way, I did not realize that Trey Benson
is still twenty two years of age. Now before camp
he'll turn twenty three, but he is still really young.
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He only played two full years really because of injury,
I presume of college ball. So he was pretty honest
with the media when he said, you know what, a
lot of the beginning of my rookie year in twenty
twenty four, I was quote more panicky and more anxious,
and my mind was racing because.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
Like a a guy who doesn't save long sentences, that
was a pretty stress.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
It was pretty revealing, and you know, it's sort of shows, Okay,
you can be a big time player, and you can
have all the skills and the measurables, and you can
come out of Florida State. But still when you get
in an NFL locker room, you know you need to
build your own confidence, proved yourself that you belong and
it sounds like Trey Benson has done that. He says
he's seven pounds heavier than last year, but quote way
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more explosive and considering the way he looked in his
last year or three yainsy four. His season ended prematurely
with the ankle injury. He was definitely looking a lot
more like James Connor with every passing game, wasn't he.
So that would seem to fit the identity and style
of this run game really well.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
That was the whole idea in drafting Benson in the
first place, is wanting to make sure you don't have
a drop off when Connor is not in the game
and having similar runners. You have your third down back
and Amari de Mercado. They brought in Benson so you
can develop him and you can continue to have that
run threat, that force whoever is coming out of the backfield.
And you saw that progression, a typical progression from a
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rookie running back throughout the year, for Benson only played
thirteen games on his sixty three carries two hundred and
ninety one yards, yeah a touchdown. By adding in some muscle,
having an off season to train train with James Connor,
I'm expecting to see a jump from Benson, and I'm
also expecting to see a jump in the number of carries.
He has the opportunities because if you've got two running
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backs that you trust and you can use in the
same way, you might as well take a few snaps
off of Connor's plate to keep him healthy in the
long run.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
Danny's gonna be telling James Connor he's getting fewer snaps.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
No, I am not. Let's make it clear I because
this is where this came from. Was someone had asked
and media at the press conference recently to head coach
Jonathan Gannon about having two running backs between Benson and Connor,
and his answer saying, yes, and I think that's true.
I don't think that means we're gonna see a fifty
to fifty split. Can you see the level and the
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trust between two players the way you would for a
number one running back. Sure, it's not gonna be Okay,
we've got Connor play. Okay, he had a snaps. Just
put in Benson. No, Connor is still going to carry
the load. He's still going to set the tone. He's
still going to lead this off. They're going to be
able to rely on Benson more than they did as
a rookie, which makes sense. That's the natural progression. Although
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with you, Paul if if Kyler, Murray's got eight hundred,
one thousand rushing yards. I don't know. I don't know
they're splitting it.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
I know, yeah, there's probably not a lot of carries
left for James Connor. I'm sorry, you know, because Kyler's
gonna be out running the ball like it's Oklahoma. Okay,
here's the question I put the wolf two RB ones.
Will you see both running backs on the field at
the same time. Who's in favor of split backs behind
Kyler Murray under center? Who's thinking, you know what, let's
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throw both those guys out there at the same time.
We know how James Connor can catch it, how many
ridiculous one handed catches as he had over the year years,
and and if you know what, he ends up in
sort of a pseudo h back tight end role, and
he's out in a number of routes and you're using
him as a receiver out of the backfield more. I
could see that as an evolution to this offense, easily
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putting those guys out there at the same time.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
I wouldn't I would love to see that more often.
I don't want to see it a lot, I don't think,
but I liked the idea of that being an option,
especially if you've got third and manageable, and you got
McBride and Harrison and Wilson, and then you have these
two guys in the backfield on third and four. That's
that's a tough cover.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
And it keeps a defense, honest, doesn't all Right? Who's
getting the ball? And oh, by the way, Trey Benson
ran a four to three something at the combine? Can
our linebacker keep up with Trey Benson? Do we need
to put a safety or a dB on Trey Benson?
Now we got matchup issues. And if we're lighting in
the box because we have to match up against Trey
Benson because he's ultra quick, now we're just gonna cram
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it vertical. We're gonna go right at that extra dB
in the box because you had to pull out a linebacker.
I just think there's a lot of intriguing aspects of that.
And then you have two hundred and thirty pounds James Connor,
and if you believe the math on Trey Benson, he's
two twenty three, two twenty five. If you take last
year's waiting, he had seven pounds. So now, all of
a sudden in the second half, you talk about wearing
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down a defense. I mean, guys are my goal. Okay,
now we got two running backs coming at us like
freight trains. I could see like the road wins two
years ago at Philly where they wore down the defense
at Pittsburgh where they wore down the Steelers defense, and
James Connor was central to that. And I wonder if
it's a one to two punch, you know, wearing down
a defense.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
That's that's the best way to do it, right, if
you're a couple of guys that you're confident in doing it.
And I do want to see when we talk about
the snaps, Okay, are you playing them together? Are you
bringing Connor off the field, what happens on? Like is
Benson a guy that can play some third downs? Are
you confident as past protection if you need it? Or
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is Mario de Mercado still in the mix. Like It'll
be interesting to see how that all plays out.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
And I was guilty of this last year when we
were trying to do the math in the running back
room and we're thinking early in camp, right I was just.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Looking at the list of players right now, Paul. I
was just thinking this time last year, we were thinking
that Cardinals have to take five running backs. You've got
DJ Dallas for special teams, Michael Carter who is shifting
Amari demerc Amar de Mercado for third downs, and you
have to have Trey Benson and James Connor. And the
way that Cardinals went about it by having Michael Carter
on the practice squad ended up working out for them
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and what they needed on offense and on special teams.
Isn't that crazy though? That like, we're essentially having the
same conversation now with how many defensive linemen and DB's
are you going to take? And it was running backs
that we were having that talk with this time last year.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
And I do remember Wolf telling me I was dead wrong,
They're only to keep four, and he was right. And
so then when I started doing the math early and
Campbell like, well, you know, de Mercado is the odd
man out right wrong because they trust him, to your point, Darren,
on third down pass protection, protect that quarterback. It is essential, obviously,
could be the most important job any running back has.
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Don't get your franchise quarterback killed and knocked out for
the season, and they trust to Mari de Mercado. So
all of a sudden middle last year in camp and
you're like, wait a minute, De Mercado is like second
in almost every drill and he's second up And Okay, yeah,
we're reading this one wrong, because yeah, he did earn
a roster spot.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
So not ideal.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Yeah, so we'll see, we'll see. At the same time,
when Michael Carter got some reps in the last two
three games last season, he made a lot of defenders
look really stupid.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Look, they have a really strong running back room.
Speaker 5 (20:23):
And that's one of the reasons why I thought you
were off your rocker, Paul, when you talked about Campskattaboo
coming here.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Wait a minute, what are you sure? Just because I
like the cam at vertical that was I was gonna
go with that.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Did you use that? I don't remember you reckon that?
Did he break that out?
Speaker 2 (20:38):
I broke it out? And by the way, Wolf already
ripped it off on his radio show. I'll just tell
you that right now.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
It's cool, Darren says all this, but he already has
a giant Skataboo jersey hanging in his office at home.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
That's right. There's anyone forty four there's anyone who's Skataboo
fanboy around here. It's the ASU alum right there in
the middle. Absolutely right about that. Okay, Now, let me
ask you're still talking offense. If Trey McBride is still
the leading receiver on this offense, do you think that's
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because there's still shortcomings in the receiver room? How viable
is that? Do you consider that ideal? I mean, the
Ravens have done a lot of damage over the years
without the greatest receiving room. Mark Andrews has been their
leading receiver. Patrick Malmes has won a Super Bowl without
a All Pro receivers and Travis Kelcey was his go
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to guy obviously for the last half decade. George Kittle,
and think of all the injuries and Niners have had
to their receiver room over the years, George Kittle has
always been a constant. So I mean, if Trey McBride
is your top receiver overall, is that potentially a problem?
Speaker 3 (21:46):
No. As long as you're getting from A to C.
I don't care where BA is in the middle. And
if the Cardinals don't have maybe that deep passing game
like we were talking about that they had in years past,
I'm okay. If you're hitting a tight end and he's
getting yards after catch, which McBride does every single time
he has the ball in his hands, five hundred and
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thirteen yards after catch last year. I'm totally okay with that,
considering how reliable McBride is, how consistent he is with
his catches, how tough he is to bring down on
a first contact. You want to be able to rely
on your wide receivers, especially Harrison, your wide receiver one
fourth overall pick. You have to have both. It's not
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a problem though, if McBride is your go to player
and that's what gets you to move the chains and
you end up putting points on the board.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
I wrote the story along these lines, and I think
I absolutely don't think it's a problem. Now, again, how
does that manifest itself throughout the rest of the offense.
I don't think it's an issue if Tree McBride's you're
leading pass catcher. But again, can you count on some
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big plays from those other guys? Can Michael Wilson some
big plays here and there? Definitely can Marvin Harrison make
some big plays here? You mentioned winning the Super Bowl
with Travis Kelce, which is true, but now not all
of them. But they did win one with Tyreek Hill.
Now he wasn't their leading receiver, I don't think, but
obviously that was the game changer. So you.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Want to be able to move around.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
But I I've never if Trey McBride's going to play
at this level, I think you're just fine. I mean,
we're not talking about Freddy Jones being your leading tight
end receiver.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
But but and as much as we joke about it,
they have to figure out how to get him more
touchdown catches. Right, that can't happen, Tray that can't happen. Again,
here's the way that Cardinals make the playoffs and Trey
McBride only has two touchdown catches.
Speaker 5 (23:48):
I would generally agree, although the Cardinals were like top
five in the league in terms of touchdowns on goal
to go. Now that's not red zone. There's a difference there.
So you got to be able to get But when
I think of gold got situations, that's when you're looking
for your tight end in the past game a lot
of times and they did just fine. So you know,
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where's that disconnect? Obviously? I just I feel like, yeah,
you would definitely wanted to get another touchdown. I mean,
let's face it, what was what's the greatest Trey McBride
and touchdown pass potential touchdown pass memory of last year.
It's not of the touchdown, it's the trying to go
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to him in the end zone and have to be
picked off against the ram.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Did aflection off the helmet week seventeen at the goal line?
Come on, man. Yeah. By the way, Kyler's record year rushing,
just to let you guys know, he had eleven rushing touchdowns.
He was dangerous in twenty twenty.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
Yeah, he was pretty he was pretty dangerous that year.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
I mean, you find some of the best teams in
the red zone, and you'll find some of the best
teams in the NFL. So if you can find out
figure out a way to to unlock Tray McBride a
little bit more in the red zone and get them
more touchdowns.
Speaker 5 (25:03):
Yeah, apparently the ten to twenty yard range is where
they need to up their game.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
And if Kyler can keep a defense honest and you
know what, Okay, maybe he doesn't run for nine hundred
yards calvy see, but if he can get in the
end zone a little bit more with his legs, I
think that's where this offense could take a huge step
board and that's something they haven't done really since that
Pro Bowl season of twenty twenty. So I'm serious because
you know, look, when he was drafted Kyler Murray, that's
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one of the things you heard from coaches on both
sides of the ball. He's gonna be such a weapon
with his four to three in the red zone. He's
gonna be able to outrace defenders to the pylon. And
that's something that's gonna really keep defensive coordinators up all
week leading up to game day. So you know what,
at least I know I'm more in favor of seeing
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that with more regularity.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Absolutely. Think of San Francisco last season Week four, when
he called the touchdown he was barely five yards off
line of immage. Is what a forty five yard rushing
touchdown in the heat? He still has that. This is
not something where Okay, we saw this sum Murray his
first two years in the league. It's it's dropped off,
it's tapered off after his knee injury. Not the case.
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It's just a matter of having that more in this offense,
having it in the in the game plan a little
bit more.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Just to mention of one eleven degrees in Santa Clara
last year in Week five, I need a break. So
you know what, Danny, We're gonna toss it to you.
Danny will segue.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
To you getting cultured. With Danny, it is not just
directed at.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Paul am I the default uncultured philistine around here.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
Yes, he got me very excited.
Speaker 5 (26:38):
Now I am on.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Social media and consume more at pop culture than both
of you combined.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
I think I'm being unfairly profiled. But go ahead, let's go.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Huge news came out this week. Huge Joey Chestnut announced
he is returning to the Nathan's famous Fourth of July
hot dog eating contest. He missed last year's due to
a track dispute. He's making his return twenty twenty one.
He ate seventy six hot dogs and buns and ten minutes,
which set a world record. He since broken it with
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eighty three at a different event.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
No, I hope, I hope that when they're editing this
together for YouTube, that we cut to Paul's face when
Danny read that, because he got the biggest smile on
his fee.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Do you guys watch that on the phone?
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Oh no, I do, absolutely, I watch it. First Off,
Joe Joey Chestnut the four oh eight San Jose's own
Joey Chestnut. Uh, it is remarkable. I'm not exactly eating
my July fourth barbecue after watching that event. It takes
me a little while to mentally recover from watch.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
Your hockey puck Hamburgers.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
That's not funny, by the way, You know, okay, I
might have burned a bash of Burger's, but for the
family to go into my office, grab an actual Coyotes
hockey puck and put vulcanized rubber between a couple of
Hamburger buns and then put it on the plate in
the kitchen to mock me, That's that's not funny. It
hurt my feeling.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
It is very gross to watch, especially when they dunk
the buns in the But I have to tune in
so Joey Chestnut will be there.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
I did not know that appointment viewing. Here we go next.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
On the list, supposedly, and I saw on the internet,
so it must be true. Pope Leo and Madonna are cousins.
There is a historian who put in The New York
Times they are supposedly ninth cousins various times removed through
a maternal ancestor born in the fifteen nineties. And I
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saw this online because I saw I saw a funny
tweet that I saw a funny tweet that claimed that
Pope Leo got the title the job from nepotism because
Madonna wrote like a prayer that was clever. He is
also supposedly cousins with Hillary Clinton, Justin Bieber and Angelina Jolee.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
What okay?
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Okay, I saw it online. Ball It's true.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
She's from Detroit, He's from Chicago. So okay.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
And lastly, the Men's College World Series, the Arkansas Picture
gauge Wood through a no hitter against Murray State, third
picture in College World Series history to do so. However,
Murray State does still have a leg up on Arkansas
in the Jello Shot challenge at Roccos Bar, the famous
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car in Omaha, where they keep a list a tally
of people who buy jello shots for the team hurting. Okay,
they have a whiteboard that when you buy a Jello
shot for whatever team it is, they are constantly updating
the numbers. Usually l LSU LSU it has it in
the bag. When I checked just before recording, they had
like seventeen or eighteen thousand jello.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Shots for them in the literally.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Yes, uh, Murray State is at number two, Arkansas at three.
That's your update. He's been cultured. You're welcome.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
Can I can I have an additional culture? Did you
see this about Arange?
Speaker 4 (29:50):
I don't know this, Angel.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Rees, I did. I almost included this.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
I gotta throw this out there. So Angel Reese WNBA
player who is kind of infamous for getting lots of
double doubles, points and rebounds. But part of the reason
she gets double doubles is because she's not a very
good shooters rebounding ole miss shots. So she was being
trolled on the internet for getting me bounds.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
That's good.
Speaker 5 (30:16):
So she copyrighted it and now is putting out merchandise
with me Bounds on it.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Wow, well done. Pay Oh my goodness, come on, how
much money? How much revenue can you yearn from me bounds? Really?
Speaker 5 (30:28):
Really, it's anybody who doesn't like Caitlin Clark where is
an Angel Rehes fan will probably buy it.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Paul already has three in his cart.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
That I just need, I need to jump on.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
I hope you didn't appropriate.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
That was good, okay, And that is getting cultured. With Danny.
Well done. I did actually learn a few things there,
so normally notically.
Speaker 5 (30:51):
Did you see the smile when you said Joey Chestnut,
big smile.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
That's huge. That's huge. That's uh, that is big. Okay,
I mean, come on, the Hot Dog Eating Contest can't
live without Joy Chestnut and Joy Chestnut can't live without
their July fourth.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Now, I am intrigued for a few things. Of one,
how they stretch their stomach. Supposedly it's a lot. It's
high quantity of low calorie foods like cabbage and expanding
your stomach. But I wonder if they prep like how
many hot dogs are you eating in preparation for this?
Speaker 2 (31:23):
I heard they stretch their stomachs with just gallons and
gallons of water or milk.
Speaker 5 (31:27):
Ugh, alright, this is okay, throw up now?
Speaker 2 (31:33):
All right? So, speaking of expanding, is that a segue
to kick off returns? Because Jeff Rogers said they're going
to go from twenty five to seventy percent.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
That's a pretty big jump. I thought, that is.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
I mean, that's Joy Chestnut's seventy six hot dog esque.
I mean, are you serious with that? I mean really,
I mean they're give so I'm all on board.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
They're they're moving the touchback now is going to go
from the twenty five yard line to the thirty yard line.
So now all of a sudden, no, no, from the
thirty to thirty five. That's right, thirty to thirty five.
My bad, my bad. Yeah. So yeah, to let a
team start at the thirty five, you're not gonna want
to do that. So you're gonna want to kick it
short of the into the kicking zone or whatever you
call it.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
And so how equipped are the Cardinals to use this
as a competitive advantage. DJ Dallas above average return man
in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (32:20):
Assuming he's that guy with going back to the running
backs who's making the team.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Just saying, I mean DJ Dallas is on every single special.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
Team, I would think he's going to be I mean
he is.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
He is such a nuisance, him and Joy Blunt on
special teams, like it's no surprise when the Cardinals had
the joint practice at Indy last year that almost instantly, Yes,
he was at the middle of a folk room. He's
the Fulkroum point of you know, just everyone wanted a
piece of DJ Dallas.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Makes sense why when Dallas signed last offseason, special teams
coordinator Jeff Rogers said that he was glad to no
longer be tackling Dallas, who was with Seattle previously.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
He is the ultimate irritant.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
He's a brick like he's tough to bring down, and
he took it to the house on the Dynamic kickoff
in Buffalo Week one last year.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Anybody remember weebel wobbles, Remember, yeah, I mean, don't tell,
don't tell DJ Dallas. I said that, but you know,
he sort of has that body type. You see. He
sort of plays that.
Speaker 5 (33:19):
Way Weebo's wobble, but they don't fall down.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Paul Rumph. There we go. That's a dank. Greg Dort
should be in the mix to be a return man.
Trey Benson I would presume could be a return man.
Am I missing anyone else? And he else could be
a Xavier Weaver maybe in a pinch, I don't know, uh,
presuming he's on the team. I mean, look, there are
twenty eight draft picks right now on this team. Every
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single draft pick that Manti Osaffort has made in three
years is currently on this roster. No longer is a
GM getting rid of somebody else's draft picks. Now this year,
come late August, you get to fifty three. Guess what
this is gonna be your own blood, sweat and tears.
That's gonna be getting the waiver wire.
Speaker 5 (34:01):
Yes, and we said this last year, we expected a
couple guys to get picked up, and I don't know
if it happened. I'll be honest, I definitely think there's
a chance this year. The other thing, too, is like,
are you gonna be able to get a couple guys
to the practice squad that you really want? And then
are we going to have a cam Thomas type trade
where you're dealing a guy that you're gonna cut and
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getting a six or seventh round pick out of it
just to get something before you let him go.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
For example, they let Ben Stilly go a month ago
or so. I mean he's a legitimate NFL defensive lineman. Yes,
I mean he is. He is on a fifty three
somewhere and I think they probably just did him a solid.
I agree with that and say, hey, Ben, guess what,
you know what, you have a future in this league.
You can earn a living for one of the other
thirty one teams. Because it's not happening in this defensive
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line room, not this year.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Throughout the last couple of years we've talked about there's
not an allegiance of this new front office and the
decisions they were making of figuring out what players do
they want to keep from the previous regime and how
they wanted to build this team moving forward. Not the
case anymore.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
On Red Seat report Our, Jim Olmhundro went back to
last year's final roster construction, the final cut to fifty
three and for example, Week one Cardinals had six corners
on that roster. They had four safeties. They had sixty linemen.
There's no way you only have sixty linemen. It is
currently at least seven. Conversely, you're gonna have to pull
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that extra number from somewhere.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
So it's not going to be a safety.
Speaker 5 (35:31):
Six corners, No, probably five corners.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
I would think it's not going to be a safety
if you've got Buddha Baker, Jalen Thompson, Rabbit, and Joey
Blunt for special teams.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
Could it be inside linebacker? How many inside linebackers.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
There were four that broke camp a year ago, five
outside linebackers. Nine total between inside and outside linebacker a
year ago. I think there's there were nine offensive linemen
a year ago. If you have guys with really stellar
positional flexibility, could you get away with eight?
Speaker 5 (36:00):
Well, let's not forget one of those nine last year
was Christian Jones. Was it not?
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (36:05):
And he was basically red shirting because they knew he
wasn't gonna make it through That is true. He wasn't
gonna make it through waivers. So you're basically trying to
hang on to him.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Now you have three main tight ends. Are you getting
away with three? Because last year you had four out
of camp?
Speaker 5 (36:17):
I think you're gonna get away with three? And you
have somebody on the practice squad that would be my guess.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
And you broke camp a year go with six receivers.
That ain't happening. No five tops, right, I would think.
So again, you need an extra body or two for
defensive line. You have a ton of young corners. I mean,
are you gonna let a really talented young corner hit
the street? Maybe you do go with six.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
I don't know if we're saying five. And again, we
have seen very limited things on the fuel throughout a
combination of OTA's and mandatory mini camp off the top
of your head. If we're going to say five, the
educated guest would be Starling Thomas, Max Melton, Will Johnson.
And then as you continue to work your way down
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Elijah Jones, where does Denzel Burke fit into this and
his role on special teams, the rookie and then what
other names are you looking at in your list, Paul
that I'm not even mentioning. I mean, Kee Troll Clark
is in that room.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Yeah, I mean, Jade Davis was a draft picks seventh
round or two years ago. Darren Hall is definitely service.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
Hall looked good in six season last year.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
He did.
Speaker 5 (37:28):
Darren Hall was the sixth corner last year.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
So maybe maybe it is five. And then he try
and stash some guys on the practice squad.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
So yeah, it's I mean, and I mean there are
a couple of these guys that, I mean, Will Johnson
is making this team, but Denzel Burke. Not only do
I think Denzel Burke is making this team, he could
make a run. He could make a run at some
plain time. I would not be shy. Now is he
gonna Is he gonna fall past Max Melton?
Speaker 5 (37:51):
No?
Speaker 2 (37:51):
I don't think so. But I think Denzel Burke has
a chance to come in and be very competitive.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Oh, Garrett Williams.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Oops, Garret Williams, hello, right off the top.
Speaker 5 (38:01):
Can we edit all that out?
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Okay? So that make sings a little more once again,
Garret Williams, Berling, Thomas will Johnson. So that's for automatics,
you have to And then after that there's the likes
of Denzel Burke, Elijah Jones, Key troll, classy easy, I say, relatively.
So there's that, okay. Uh. In terms of the I mean, look,
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there were three special teamers last year. Of course it
was the specialist, so you're right, yeah, Joey Blunt I
was gonna throw him in there, and then Keaton Crawford.
I mean, Keaton Crawford is making this team. I would
say he is a special teamer.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
You think he is?
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Yes, I would say, over JOT, I think they're gonna be.
They're going to there's gonna be DJ Dallas, Joey Blunt,
Keaton Crawford I think will make this team. So they're
keeping the three guys are given to Jeff Rocks, so
they're keeping five safeties, four quarterbacks. You gotta figure it
out somewhere Darren. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
You're figuring out.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
I can't do everything, Yes, you can't. What were the
numbers for inside linebacker again?
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Four? There were four a year ago. So you're inside
linebacker room right now. Mac Wilson Senior. Where are we here?
Owen Papo, who, by the way, is a sleeper. We'll
get to that in a later edition of Cardinals Underground.
Michael will Walker, Keen, Davis Gaither, and then Cody Simon.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
So that's five.
Speaker 5 (39:29):
So hello, people aren't making this team people.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
But once again, maybe my biggest takeaway from the off
season is Jonathan Gannon using the words more friction, and
then in his final media session before breaking for the summer,
he elaborated a little bit, said, we want to get
in pads a little bit more in a safe way.
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You know, we have a little more contact, So more friction. Okay.
I would say there's two sides of that one. Anything
and everything you can do to be the most physical
team you can possibly be. Jonathan Gannon wants to be
that team, and there are more physical teams out there,
as we learned last year when you went against the Lions.
Even the Redskins defensive the commander's defensive front, come holy
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go as I'm thinking two steps down the line of
forgetting what I'm saying in the moment. So there's that,
and then I think the other aspect of having a
more competitive camp is so you can figure out who's
making this team. True, it's not as easy as the
last couple of years where there might have been two
or three open positions. Tops you knew pretty much going
in who's coming out of camp. You don't know that
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this year. So you better play football to figure out
who's the best football player, especially.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
The amount of young players really on the defense. And
then when you're looking at the depth of offensive line, put
some pads on them and see what you really have
for the mount on the football field. We heard it
from every coach who took to the podium within the
last week or so, right before we broke the last time,
and we will hear from them until training camp, which
is there are some players who really come alive, They
shine when they put the pads on, and there are
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some players who disappear. They look great in what you're
seeing without any sort of that friction throughout OT's and
mini camps, and you put the pads on and you
just lose them.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
And I said this on Red Sea Report. I think
the biggest question mark I have, and you guys can
weigh in with yours. The biggest question I have going
into camp would be offensive guard. And you're going to
learn right away where your interior offensive linemen stand when
they're going against Dalvin Tomlinson. This is true, and Kalais
and then the two young first rounders and Darius Robinson,
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Walter Nolan, even LJ. Collier and some of those drills
is a handful. I mean he schooled some of the
Cardinals young offensive linemen in last year's camp, LJ. Collier.
So you're gonna know right you'll know whether Isaiah Adams
can handle the bull rush if he has added strength.
I think, what is it the fifth day camp? You
can go in pads. Yes, you know again that's appointment
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view And just like just like Joey Chestnut, appointment viewing
is the first O line d line, Drew, Let's be honest, agreed.
You know what isn't appointment viewing? And I'll leave you
with this is when I have to see the social
media postings by the stinking rams from MAUI I have
half a nerve to block the rams just based on
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the Maui social media content.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
Silly question. How are they allowed to do that? Is
it in the CBA where just it's it's pretty much
for mini camp wherever the team decides to do it.
That's where the players have to show up. There's nothing
in there about it being your.
Speaker 5 (42:34):
Homes as long as I would assume, as long as
the team's paying everybody's way where they travel.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
Okay, So why don't more teams do that?
Speaker 5 (42:43):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (42:43):
It's winning behavior on my part.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
I may say that I would say, and this is
complete abject speculation. This is the next Frontier you watch.
Teams are going to start selling their mini camps to
their international partners.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
Similar some teams travel for training camp. You're going to
start traveling.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
Bags.
Speaker 3 (43:05):
Someone asked for us to go up to Prescott.
Speaker 5 (43:07):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
They did that once upon a time. Em Very Riddle.
Once upon a time.
Speaker 5 (43:13):
Oh god, that's a story for another day as well,
Embry Riddle. I stayed in the fine thing. That was
not winning behavior.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
That was uh that was I remember it was Kurt
Warner and Company that was that team. Embory Riddle Okay.
Speaker 5 (43:27):
That was two thousand and five.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
Baby, there you go.
Speaker 5 (43:29):
Are we are we going to do some winning behavior?
Speaker 3 (43:32):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (43:32):
My bad?
Speaker 2 (43:33):
Okay, all right, I forgot that.
Speaker 4 (43:34):
I'm trying to push you in that direction, Paul, my bad.
Speaker 2 (43:37):
Oh my goodness, I'm sorry, man, I'm fine. On my
I am I already on vacation here, I mean, what's
going on over here?
Speaker 5 (43:44):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Uh? Yes, indeed it is time, Darren already foreshadowing in
three two one?
Speaker 4 (43:52):
Can you display winning behavior?
Speaker 3 (43:53):
You have to consistently display winning behavior.
Speaker 2 (43:56):
That's winning behavior.
Speaker 5 (43:57):
You've got to define what winning behavior is and hold
people to that standard.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
Yes, all right, I'll start with this one. I think
in this divide in nation, can we all agree that
we hate and everybody hates photo radar? We start with
the show of hands. How about we end with the
war hands?
Speaker 3 (44:19):
So what you know?
Speaker 2 (44:20):
Who really hates?
Speaker 4 (44:22):
You know what photo radar is?
Speaker 5 (44:23):
Don't you?
Speaker 3 (44:25):
Why are you making me feel bad? What are we
talking about?
Speaker 5 (44:28):
Do they not have photo radar in Dallas?
Speaker 3 (44:31):
Are you talking about like a red light camera?
Speaker 4 (44:33):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (44:33):
Oh okay, sure, I've never heard it called that before.
Red light cameras.
Speaker 5 (44:38):
Well, but you can also have it for speeding.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
Okay, sure, I've just never heard it called that before.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
Danny is such a law abiding motorists, she hasn't noticed
tempee putting in about umptyen more photo radar and red
light cameras everywhere.
Speaker 3 (44:51):
Given the drivers in Arizona, I am actually in favor
of more because everyone in Arizona thinks that yellow means
speed up, and means speed up even faster. And let
me make this turn and cut off everyone who has
a green light waiting on me.
Speaker 4 (45:05):
Not waiting behaviors.
Speaker 5 (45:06):
Yeah, he says.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
You know, well, when you're the producer of top Gear,
one of the most well known and famous automotive shows,
if you don't know, just go ahead and search it up. Anyway,
he's the producer. And he got his license suspended, wait
for it, for driving twenty four miles per hour in
a twenty mile per hour zone. Let's just say in
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the UK there's zero tolerance.
Speaker 5 (45:29):
So that was on he got that was a camera
that wasn't a.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
Cop it was a camera and the camera was set
to like twenty miles per hour, like if you hit
twenty one, you're getting flagged. And because it was his
fourth fourth moving violation in less than two years automatic
suspension of said license.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
I did just learn. I didn't realize when you're driving.
I've really only seen these mostly in Scottsdale Paradise Valley area.
For me, like in Texas, it was just the red
light cameras at an inner section that's where you saw them.
But I guess here in Arizona they have it where
it's like propped up almost on like wheels, kind of
just like telling you the the speed limit. And I
(46:11):
guess they have cameras in those.
Speaker 5 (46:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
Well, there was a former Cardinals quarterback who was a
rookie and let's just say once camp broke from Flagstaff,
he was then commuting from his place in the North
Valley down to the Cardinals practice facility and it was
long the one on one back when the one oh
one had several red light cameras, and let's just say
he was unaware and uh got nailed pretty good. He
got several, multiple of them male over the course of
(46:36):
one month until he realized, hey, wait a minute, I
was doing the same speed every morning for how many
days in a row, and every single day you got
a ticket? All right, what else do we have in
the winning behavior? Sea Dog's tickets. Someone's gonna have to
explain that.
Speaker 4 (46:52):
One's my anecdote.
Speaker 3 (46:53):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (46:55):
The wife and I are talking about taking a couple
of days going to Portland sooner rather than later before
we get to the season, and she said, hey, let's
go to a minor league baseball game. So she looked
up to Portland Sea Dogs and she was like looking
it up, and I was getting she almost bought the tickets,
but then we got it kind of irritated because for
(47:15):
some reason, this even if you buy tickets like right
on like first row by the dugout, it's still general
admission high high problem with that. So anyways, I'm sitting
there and we're mulling whether we want to spend the
money to go do this thing. And I'm like, so,
tell me who the the Sea Dogs are an affilly
of She's like the Red Sox. I'm like, okay, that
Red Sox are. Who do they play? Oh it's the
(47:38):
yard Goats, Oh the yard which I got very excited
about it. I wanted to see the yard Goats.
Speaker 4 (47:43):
Where's her? Where's the yard Goats? Where do they play?
That's Hartford.
Speaker 5 (47:45):
I'm like, I'm like, that's that really is wild wild,
like you're you're First of all, I'm surprised that the
Red Sox have a team in Portland. And secondly, I'm
surprised there Hartford, some minor league team is going to
fly out to Portland to go do this. And it
hit me like a ton of bricks. And I'm like, Chris,
did you buy the tickets yet? No? What is this Portland,
(48:09):
Oregon that these this team plays in. I don't know.
Let me look, it was Portland, Maine. Thank god she
didn't buy the tickets. I would not have been able
to make it. Now, it turns out there is a
minor league team half hour outside of Portland, the Hillsboro Hops,
who happened to be a Diamondbacks team. Sure, so we
(48:30):
will be going to see Hillsboro Hops.
Speaker 3 (48:32):
You know what I like about that story is very
close to when this was all happening. Just before, I
had been talking to Darren about vacations and he had
said to me, yeah, we're thinking of going to Portland,
And I said, oh, Oregon or Maine, and he gives
me this look that says, why on earth would anybody
want to go to Portland, Maine. I'm obviously talking about Portland, Oregon.
Speaker 5 (48:53):
I don't think that's quite what I said, but pretty
much what you said.
Speaker 3 (48:56):
With your eyes and lo and behold, this is what happens.
Speaker 4 (49:00):
She's reading my eyes again.
Speaker 2 (49:02):
Okay, yeah, it's a former Oregon resident. I've covered my
share of Oregon minor league baseball. So make it happen,
Darren Hill or whatever you know, the medfordays. You know
you can. Okay, let's see here. What else? Oh, speaking
of baseball, Cardinals rookie Walter Nolan the third throughout the
first pitch didn't bounce. It didn't bounce it. Of course,
(49:26):
I will say, you know what, it was better than
Trey McBride, noted high school baseball player in this regard,
Trey McBride stood about fifteen feet from the catcher. Like,
come on, Trey, it means one thing to not get
on the mound.
Speaker 4 (49:36):
Here's the problem.
Speaker 2 (49:36):
At least get in the dirt at the front of
the mound. Come on, now, not.
Speaker 5 (49:39):
Allowed to They aren't allowing the Diamondbacks. Aren't You have
to like be within like whatever? That short that's why
Nolan was so close. You're not allowed to go stand
anywhere near the mountain.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
Really, Yeah, why they're trying to cut down the risk
factor of that ball getting.
Speaker 5 (49:55):
I'm guessing it as there has more to do with like, okay,
we're an artificial turf, but if you go up on
the mound, that's actually been all.
Speaker 2 (50:05):
Right, I got you.
Speaker 4 (50:05):
I'm assuming that's what it is.
Speaker 5 (50:07):
I'm just happy that uh Nolan got it to the
because I think he said he had never actually played
baseball and really thrown a baseball, So.
Speaker 2 (50:16):
Yeah, okay, well it didn't stop fifty cent back in
the day.
Speaker 5 (50:19):
Or Taylor Lewan who did it a couple of weeks
ago Andrew terrible and then tweeted it out and said,
this was worse than my Chandler Jones game when he
gave up like five sacks to Chandler Jones.
Speaker 2 (50:31):
You know it's bad because I was on the sideline
and the epic Chandler Jones five sack game when the
entire Cardinals sideline is yelling out, why are they not
giving Taylor Lawan any hell the Chandler Jones, Like, coach,
can I get back out there. I want to get six, seven.
Speaker 4 (50:46):
And eight Chaparral's own Taylor Lawan baby.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
That'll do it. For this edition of Cardinal's Underground brought
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