June 3, 2025 • 51 mins
As the Cardinals go through their second week of OTAs, Paul Calvisi, Darren Urban and Dani Sureck might have a couple of zingers for each other, but that’s to be expected in this highly competitive environment. It’s the launching point to discuss the meaning of attendance in voluntary work, a visit by Kenny Dillingham, the foolish idea that J.G. is under pressure, allowing defensive backs to challenge pass catchers in camp, the idea the offense will level up with more motion, a new Out Of Context, what Gannon seeks in guys being in shape; Walter Nolen III’s progress, Nick Rallis’ options with his new defensive line, how other teams are running Cardinals’ schemes, a new Winning Behavior and the “QB mentor,” and Saquon and the Madden Cur… er, cover.
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
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Speaker 2 (00:35):
Touchdown Tyler Murray, that defender is in multiple pieces.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
All that was nasty right there?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Rights slam the ground by fooda baker like a torpedo.
He came flying into the backfield. I ain't scared of nobody.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Here's Paul Calvic.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
All right.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
My gift to you off the top of your Cardinals Underground.
No snarky, seemingly witty intro, although I'm really more attempted
than succeed at it in the past, no more apparent
than earlier today is Jay Jones intro That went awry
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and I may have submarined the entire interview, and I
was trying to make the point that, you know what,
there are six guys with the last name Jones on
the current Cardinals roster here week two of the OTAs,
and I was just curious if he was keeping up
with the Joneses, and he said, well, that's cute, and
then he turned towards the other person who was interviewing
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him at the time, and so, yeah, you know, I
probably should have saved that. In hindsight, Danny, you know,
I probably should have saved that maybe for a little
bit later, after maybe I established re established some good
graces with Jay Jones here.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
It's probably not the first time he's heard that.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Probably not. Wow, okay, well, is that why you got sideways?
Speaker 2 (01:55):
It can always get worse than it.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
To get the idea laid out today?
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Where's the lamp?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
The lamp? Oh my god, well, you know what, the
way I'm tracking out of the gates here, there's no
chance of me lighting that lamp today. So maybe, uh,
you know, I guess we have to work to earn
that lamp.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Now, you guys, you guys usually has a table, and
we don't have the tables here.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
What is the point of the podcast if there's no
lamp to.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Light okay, Well, if you want to go off on
like a two minute rant, so the camera's on you,
I can run over here and set it up. But
we have no pedestal or anything.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
The table is here in the corner.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Oh I see there it is? Okay? All right, Well
you know do you do you want to stop down
and uh and put the light on or can you persevere?
Can youersevere?
Speaker 4 (02:35):
I think I'm going to live with it, and it'll
be in next week's winning behavior or non winning behavior.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
That's on Paul.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
They can edit in later, you c G I little
yeah like that. It'll go a little bit later. You know,
we'll see. So all right, let's just get right to it, Paul,
KELVC Darren Irvan, Danny sirek Uh. There they were earlier
today Cardinals out on the field. But the second straight
week Phase three o t AS Week two? Did I
get that correct? Darren Herban?
Speaker 4 (03:01):
You did?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Okay? What stood out? What should stand out? You know? Takeaways?
You know, what was worthwhile? What was news worthy? What
stood out to you Darren since you were there boots
on the ground.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
I mean again, when we're talking about OTAs, there's only
so much a we can report on and be that
you're going to be able to actually see I you know,
I know a lot of people have been talking a
lot about who's here and who's not. I'm not a
huge fan of that during the voluntary stuff, just because
it's so hit and miss over who you're seeing on
a particular day. I mean, the thing is is if
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you're if a guy's not out there the one day
that the reporters are out there, that doesn't mean he's
not out there every other day. So what does it
really mean? But I did notice that there was a
couple of people that are back, a couple people that
are still not there, the Dalvin Tomlinson, the Josh Sweat,
Kalais Campbell. But again not a big surprise. And to me,
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the the taking attendance is more important. Next week with
a mandatory.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Stuff, we might not agree on much, but I think
we agree on this much. Come week one. Nobody cares
who was there in early June. Absolutely nobody cares at
that point. So yeah, that's true. It's much ado about nothing,
especially if you're an eighteen year veteran like Kalais Campbell.
Come on now so we'll see you know what you
know who was there I thought was interesting was Kenny Dillingham,
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ASU head coach And how could you not see him
standing next to Jonathan Gannon and the two of them talking,
and think, man, do you realize the state of ASU
football when Kenny Dillingham took over? Do you realize just
how far Jonathan Gannon and Mantias Sport had to go
coming off that season in twenty twenty two with an
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injured Kyler Murray going into twenty three and the two
of them standing there. At least me, I just had
a flashback mode of thinking, Man, think of where their
respective teams were and where they are are now. I mean,
it's phenomenal with the two of a competent.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
I think it's it's it's amazing. And when you when
you drill down on the Cardinals themselves, like you forget,
I don't say you forget. I heard I heard at
some point that there was some list out there. And again, Paul,
You've made that comment before that this is kind of
the season right now?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Oh are we talking the Pro Football Focus and hot seat.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Hot seat and and Gannon being on it and it you.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Know, when I'm rolling up my sleeves right now, can
I have a piece of that when you're done.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
I mean, obviously that's dumb, and I think it's just dumb.
But aside from that.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
And by the way, I didn't even dignify that with
a click. It was so stupid.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
No, no, I didn't. I I just heard about it.
But I guess where I'm going with it is you
mentioned Kyler missing that first half season. I mean, to me,
that first season, and I know, no NFL season is
a lost season. That was that was in hindsight, that's
a throwaway season you didn't have. You weren't gonna have
your quarterback for half the year. There's no way to
me you can judge the wins and losses off of
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that year. That's just my personal feeling. People can say
whatever they want, but when you walk into it without
your real quarterback, your no offense. Josh Dobbs, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yeah, yeah. We had a chance to visit with Jacoby
Brissett earlier today, and it is it's always interesting to
talk football with an NFL quarterback. It's just next level.
Like when we have Drew Standing on the Red Sea Report,
it's just next level what they see and what they
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know about the game. Is just so intriguing, and maybe
most interesting was that he said, oh, yeah, I'm an
admitted trash talker. I will chop it up during practice.
You will hear me. I will start it, And then
didn't Nick Rowlis have a long explanation at his press
conference this week about you know, trash talking. So I'm
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now I'm fast forward in my head to Cardinals camp
at State Farm Stadium in August and Jaco we said,
Nick Ross barking at each other from either side of
the field.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
This is nothing new. ROLLSS has talked about this before.
What's interesting is this time of year, the rules are
set up so the offense can quote unquote be more
successful in a sense. Right, So it's gonna be easier
for the offense to complete a pass or have a
good play, right because the defense you don't want contact,
you don't want anyone getting hurt. So a lot of
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the trash talk. Now it's very interesting coming from a
tight end Trey McBride when the defense really can't do
much about it. But this is something that goes on
all year. The defensive coordinator is always chirping at offensive
players and they're going back and forth with each other.
The players, right, I mean, Trey McBride and Buddha Baker
is a fun matchup I'm sure for them in practice.
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And McBride was saying too, he was going back and
forth with some of the new defensive linemen. At the
end of the day, right, it's all about iron sharpening
iron and helping each other get better. You're just having
a little fun with it.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
And I know you are certainly going to want to
talk about trash talk, Paul, because that's what you're all about.
But I do want to clarify real quick with what
Danny was saying for those out there listening when we
talk about the defense being behind the eight ball this
time of year, Like literally the rules say defenders are
not allowed to challenge the ball in the air. So
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what as a pass is coming in, even if the
cornerback is near the receiver, he essentially he's got to
let it go. So like it's it's very you can
do very little as a defensive back. You better be
able to find that in open space because if you're
a glued door receiver that plays over, essentially once the
ball halfway.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Gets to the rest rollis also to clarify that McBride
is a very bad trash talker that it doesn't come
out smooth. And then when McBride sat down in the
chair at the podium right after, McBride said yeah, I'm
probably a little better than what he said, but not
very good.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
So I'm guessing a lot of the trash talk is
probably Oh no, if this is real football, I would
have made that play.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
You got no one to defend me.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
Well, Trey did say that if every time he makes
a catch, he'll go to Rollis first and say I
thought you were going to cover me today. No, he's
covering me, which is always I mean, I'm assuming this
is also probably happening during the regular season, but this
time of year it's kind of hilarious.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
So take that scenario you just described and take out
Nick Ross, insert Fred Warner just saying anyway, Trey McBride
would never h By the way, let me okay, this
I just had I had an idea. Here, you tell
me if I'm cra if I had a light, I
turn it on right now. Okay, do you think in
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training camp the defense should be allowed to touch the
merchandise a little bit more? How does the receiver get
better at Contesta catches Marvin Arrison Junior if he's get
if he's totally untouched. And remember the jokes that the
DB's made in training camp last year. Oh no, thou
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shall not touch the number four pick overall, sort of
like Larry back in the day. But Larry was established,
it was a multi time pro bowler. But it was
a different era back then.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Oh dude, I got a I got an anecdote. I
want to tell them that ahead.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
I'm just wondering, you know, what is the risk reward
of letting your dvs more be more physical with your receivers,
because that's regular season football.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
First of all, Just to clarify the rules right now
are NFLPA rules about camp? I know, And I'm just
trying to accentuate your point, which is once we get
to camp, then it's coaches making that decision. They can
do that if the coaches let it happen.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
You're right, that's my point.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
I guess the risk reward is easy injury. That that's
what you are trying to prevent when you're trying to
limit any sort of contact. Now, the pro is exactly
what you're talking about, which is getting that experience in
those contested catches. From both perspectives, you're as a coach,
you're not going to want to put your players in
harm's way before the season even gets started. That's why
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they're gonna have drills where you've got a coach, you know,
hitting the receiver with pads and trying to emulate any
sort of contact in any way that they can. So
that's why you have to limit some of that. Absolutely,
it would be more fun if you've got to see
like a true one on one. So that's why when
you see some of that in campus, always like ooh, like, yeah,
it's getting physical. But coaches are always gonna have limitations.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
I came across I'm flipping through reels or something, and
I came across a podcast that Kevin Minter did. Remember
Kevin Minter? Sure, what's Kevin Mintor's claim to fame. He
was the second round pick for the Cardinals the year
they took Tyron Matthew in the third round. Both al
Lsu Kevin Mincher, the linebacker played played for the Cardinals
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a handful of years. He's telling an anecdote which I'm like,
I'd never heard this before, but it cracked me up
and they're talking about rookies and getting their feet wet.
And I don't know who he was doing the podcast with,
but apparently it was with one of his former LSU teammates,
so it's guys that he played with in college but
knew the league. And he's talking about how he first
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and I wish I had the clip because the way
these guys were reacting as Kevin was telling the story
was hilarious. But he's telling the story about when he
was a rookie. And I don't know if this was
the off season or we'd already gotten a training camp,
but he was a rookie and he's a linebacker. And
in past coverage, the rule at LSU was the number
one rule for the linebackers was eliminate the crossers. First.
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Oh boy, And he said, in practice, Larry Fitzgerald was
coming across and so, and you could hear these guys go,
oh you did not, Oh you did not. And he goes,
so I went to go eliminate the crosser, and he goes,
he eliminated fits and he said, Bruce arians just aired
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him out. You don't do that to Larry Fitzgerald, because
eliminate the crosser is exactly what it sounds like. The
guy's coming across and you eliminate him. And it just
made me think about it. When you're talking about guys
getting hit in practice.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
That is that is outstanding, all right? Speaking to Trey McBride,
did he also not give a little bit, a little
bit of context as to what the Cardinals offense might
be evolving into.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
I'm gonna let Danny handle this because she asked the question.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Yeah. I had asked the tight end about how much
more head the offense could be at this point in
the offseason, given the continuity of not just with the players,
the coaches, the play caller, an offensive coordinator Drew Petsing,
and again, it's limited into what you can do at
this point in the offseason, and you know, routes versu air.
But McBride had a pretty good answer in saying, yes,
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this offense already feels more complex. It's no longer vanilla
because you have enough people here with that familiarity of
what the play calls are, what the goal is, what
is being asked of not just you, but those around you,
and they're able to already at this point in the
off season be working on some prestat motions and what
McBride likes to call the extra sauce, a little extra
flavor to make this offense more complex. That's what you
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want to hear, right, You want to hear that the
foundation is set and everybody understands it enough until this point.
And the fact that you do have so many key
plays on this roster that were here last year. You
don't want to be doing the same things you were
at this point last year.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
It's funny that you say what people want to hear,
because I put that quote out knowing the number of
fans that are desperate for this offense to have more motion.
I believe you've talked about that before.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
We've talked about a little bit, and there was more
motion at the end of the year according to the analytics,
And so what does that mean going into this year?
It's something at Cliff Kingsbury, you know, Trey McBride says sauce.
Kingsbury used to use extra and then super extra. That
was sort of his terminology. But and then of course
there is the ever popular eye candy, which semi led
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Speaker 4 (14:47):
Please tell me your clip and that you have to
clip that.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
One so we have like an out of context sloper
reel or something. It slaps, Paul, it slaps.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
I've often said, Paul is just about winning. It's it's
really nothing else.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Okay, you want to stat there, tough guy, turn this
off for the man for fifteen ninety nine. It's all
you can eat riblets, double crunch, shrimp and chicken tenders
a riblet. Don't act like you didn't have a Mick
rib back in the day.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Come on, you had the Hallapanio popper doritos.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
It's a cold war of crunch where those double or
triple crunch don't do it. Don't pull a red lobster.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Okay, we're clearly confused. But I'm on the same page
as you.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Now we have a problem. Oh yes, beef.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
What are we beefing about.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
We've got a highly caffeinated Darren Urban Danny thumbs up,
her thumbs down, thumbs up. If only those thumbs had muscles,
then it would be more apropos hey. Based on the
early returns, you're peaking too early. Darren, you better pace
yourself at this point. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
Caustic, abrasive Darren.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Nerman, he has put on some muscle.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
I feel like I've gotten in a better place. I
am a lot older.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
You don't yell at me as much.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
That just hurts.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
That hurts right here the lamp.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
I need a drink, a good walk off. Thumb muscles
are about the only muscles that Marlon Arson Junior hasn't
put on at this point. Everybody who walks in here
for these interviews, they're yoke, They're jacked. I mean, somebody
has to smuggle out of workout plan from that weight room.
We need best practices around here. What exactly plan are
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they following? And what does it mean for this season? Now?
Are you thinking, Okay, they look good without their sleeves
and it's good beach muscles and stuff, or is that
an indication that this team is planning on being more
physical than ever? Can we drop? We're always looking for
evidence of something leading to something else. What do you
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make of all the muscle mass?
Speaker 4 (16:41):
I gotta be honest, I don't know if it's a
lot different other than the fact that we're paying close
attention because two of the guys that were most noticeable
were the first round picks last year, and you were
also hoping that those two guys made big jumps. But
I just go back to and this was something JG
talked about at the owner's meetings when he was you know,
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he's a big h He's a big have guys in
shape kind of guy. I'd have to go back and
look at the the actual quotes, but like it means
a lot to him. For a guy, each position is different,
but you better be in the right type of shape
for how they see it and how they're strength, conditioning
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and sports nutrition all that how they see it, or
you probably won't be here very long.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
For some players too, it's about body fat. It's not
just putting on muscle, right, like the work they want
you to do in the off season and how they
want you to adjust things.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
You know, again, if you look at this team, I mean,
for the most part, the big guys, the offensive and
defensive lineman, the Cardinals seem to have a lot more
basketball looking dudes than many teams or many Cardinals teams
that I've covered. I mean, I'm not saying they're all
they all look like that, because they don't all look
like that, but they seem to have ratio wise a
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higher number of guys that look like that compared to
some other teams that I've covered.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
So I went back, I took the latest Ota roster,
and then I went back and I grabbed the flip
card from week eighteen. Yes, to compare weights Marvin Arson
Junior and Darius Robinson's same weight as they were listed
at the end of last season.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
To clarify though, because I have inquired about that, KA,
they officially don't weigh INHA until veteran mandatory mini camp
when they do their physicals.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
So or a week away from maybe getting some answers.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
Now, that does not mean the machinations that put the
roster together will necessarily change their weight, but they're not
going to get officially wait till then. Okay, I know
that Darius Robinson told me about a month ago that
he really has his weight really hasn't changed that much.
It's just maybe the percentage of body fat.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
So he's listed at six five to eighty five. I'm
pretty sure I'm seeing that right. The worst part about
having a ninety man roster is the micro font But anyway,
there's that, and then to your point about how you
know they don't have any like big, overweight, sloppy offensive lineman.
Even their first round pick this year, Walter Nolan the
third listened to two ninety six. Right, So, speaking of
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Walter Nolan dot dot dot, who's gonna fill in the
blank on that one from Ota?
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Well, he is the first. Ota was working on the side.
He was back at it and somebody asked him if
it was either contract or injury related as JG, and
JG said neither, And you know, I don't know exactly
what it means at this point. I mean, a guy
might be hurt if he's on the side. There's a
chance the way they operate, there's a chance. At some
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point somebody goes to JG and says, this guy's had
so many reps since he showed up, and he's a rookie,
we need to dial him back for today, for instance,
and have him take a rest day because he's getting
too many reps out there, because that's how they do
things now. I don't know if that's what it is,
but no.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
That's a plausible theory. I mean, from all accounts, what
did we hear once he got drafted, he was in
every down player at Ole Miss like he played a
ridiculous amount of snaps, which a could be that you know,
and we all know like in baseball, right, guys will
get an off day. They could be on like a
seventeen game. Industry doesn't matter if they have a designated
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off day because the analytics and all the numbers and
the nutrition and training staff says thal shout have an
off day here on this date, and it's predetermined before
the season ever begins.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Well, and then on Tuesday's OTAs, Nolan was out on
the field working out, so he was back.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
And so you know, again it's funny. JG went on
a long explanation about why he doesn't like talking about injuries.
And I know a lot of people out there get
frustrated when he won't talk about injuries, and you know
why he won't give updates and everything, and I don't
think he likes to do it generally on a strategic
level anyways. I mean, I think he would admit that
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in a second. But he also said, look, look, it
doesn't if I sit here today and say the guy's
been doing good for a couple of days and then
the next day he takes a step back, which is
not unexpected because not all rehabs are not linear. Then, really,
what have I told you? So? I get it. It
was a very plausible and reasonable explanation. It's not going
to make people all that excited when we want an
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injury update on something. But he did explain it.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
So week one media availability of OTAs. I mean, maybe
this is me just envisioning this, but to me, Daris
Robinson looked quicker than everyone else out there in the
D line group. What did Walter Nolan the third look like?
I was not out there for that portion. Unfortunately Wolf
called in sick and I had to pull double duty,
so I was not out there. I did not see
Walter Nole in the third's debut in a cardinal's uniform
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of any sort out on that field. I mean, what
did he look like in some of the D line drills?
Speaker 3 (21:54):
You're looking across the table at me as if I
were not sitting next to you online radio during practice.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
A lot of pressure here, Darren, A lot of pressure.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
I mean, I thought he looked fine. I put up
one of the video. I put up a video of
one of his reps. Look I've been doing this a
long time. I'm not gonna sit here and say I
didn't think Darius Robinson looks quick and the man just
every time he and again where we stand, we tend
to be next to the defensive line more often than
anybody else, right, and you're not goings a large human being.
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I can't imagine trying to like not get tackled by him.
But I'm also of the reality that I've been doing
this for so long that I just I I just
can't get all that into what's going on right now.
I think they're learning some stuff in the classroom. I
think they're they're getting some mental reps out there. The
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team stuff we can't even talk about. But the individual drills, oh, okay,
you know you're you're you're doing a snap, you're you're
hitting a coach, you're running to air. I mean, I
don't know. I know I should be more excited about it,
but I'm just not. So.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
One of my big questions this year, with the one
hundred and thirty million plus invested in the defensive front,
is can.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
You did math?
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Can you go? Can you go from fifteen guys who
have two sacks apiece to one guy who has fifteen sacks?
Can Josh Sweat be that guy? For example? Did anyone
delve into some of what the revamped defensive front does
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for a Nick Rowlis defense and his ability seemingly theoretically
to rush four more often than he has the first
two years. Did he get into any of that?
Speaker 4 (23:40):
Of course he didn't.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
No, I will say it feels too early for that,
just because when you're talking about a Josh Sweat, we
haven't even seen sweat on the field. Now. He could
have been out there practicing on any of the four
days that the media was not out there in the
last week, since media was only out there for two
mini campus mandatory Next, that's when you can really start
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getting a feel for, Okay, who is out here, right like,
who is healthy enough to be out here? At this point,
it's really training camp. I feel like you are able
to see enough to get a fair answer from a
coach or a coordinator, right Like, at this point, it's
kind of like you're gonna ask me and say, yeah, we
don't really know. Like they've got ninety guys right there.
So when you get closer to camp and you have
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a better idea of what the team can truly look
like and you get a feel of seeing everybody out
on the field together going up against each other right
offensive and defensive linemen going against each other more than
they're able to right now. That's when you're gonna get
a better feel. I also wouldn't know that it'd be
fair for Rowlis to answer that when we're talking about,
you know, the Russian coverage being a marriage in the sense,
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and what are you using in your coverage right now?
What is Will Johnson going to be able to give
you when he's had what ten practices as a rookie.
So it just feels a little early. It is absolutely
a fair question. It is something that is absolutely on
the table given the personnel changes. I just think it's
a little early to decide.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
The reality is Paul wants Nick Roulis to come out
and say, you know what, with everything we've done, we
were not going to be playing a four to three
and I want everybody so look out. But he didn't
say that, and and again I think he's he's punting
to like, we want to see who's gonna win these jobs.
We want to see He did say there's more flexibility
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and there is going to be more flexibility. But I
don't think there's a defensive coordinator and I haven't done
all the deep dive, but I don't know if there's
a defensive coordinator that already hasn't maximized his flexibility at
every way shape or form was funny. At one point,
Zavian Collins was talking about how he's still and again
another Danny question. Danny was on fire, by the way
in these press conferences. You know, we really could have
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used you, Paul. I know you had other things to do,
but Paul or Danny was like kicking ass in terms
of asking questions and getting good answers regular season four.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
But why do you sound so surprised?
Speaker 4 (25:54):
But at some point, at one point, you know, she's
talking to Zavin about being moved to and if he's
more comfortable and whatever role he has, and he just
he kind of laughed and he's like, it's I'm still
all over the place. Like Nick Rolis is still going
to use Davian Collins all over the place, and I
still think he's going to do that with a handful
of guys.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
The question was about the continuity of you know, Collins
has played well, Yes, he plays a lot of different
positions when he's here, but since he got here to Arizona,
he's been asked to do a lot of different things
under different coaching staffs. And so I was asking him
about the continuity of now that he's been here and
he knows he's going to be playing outside more and
what's kind of expected from him with moving around, how
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he's been able to elevate his game in this offseason
more so than in year's past. And he laughed, He's like,
I mean, they're still moving me all around, and I'm
still doing a whole bunch of things. It really is
Zavion Collins and Buddha Baker who are just being used
all over the field for defense. And I do recommend
going and taking a listen on the Cardinals official YouTube
channel and listening to the live stream because Collins, well,
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he was he was really good today in his press conference.
But he had a really good answer when he was
talking about what he deems a successful season, because it's
the first time we've heard from him since twenty twenty
four season. Ended of he's not a type of pass
rusher that's just going to go on bull rush and
he's going to put up a bunch of stack numbers.
That's not what's asked of him. And as a big player,
he's asked to drop back into coverage, which he did
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have a funny story about playing in Miami and going
up against Tyreek Hill and that was funny for him
to describe. But just talking about what he considers a
successful season, and it's going back and watching plays. Okay,
if I was supposed to blitz here, was I successful?
And did I get back to the quarterback if it
was you know, fork down like, I don't care if
it was obvious passing like, I got to get back
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there and I got to create pressure. And okay, if
I do to drop in a coverage, you know, he
said he's learned over the years that when you're dropping back,
you actually don't want the ball to come your way
because that means you're doing a good job. So it's
things like that that he looks for for whether or
not he was successful on a play. But yeah, Colin
Collins was really good with the media on Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
I mean, okay, we know the off season is all
about lists and polls and all that. Give me your
top five most versatile defenders right now in the Arizona
Cardinals positional flexibility your top five. Savan Collins would be
in the top five.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
Yeah, no particular order. Zavin's got to be one of them.
Boot has got to be one of them.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Wilson maybe Garrett Williams. We haven't really seen him outside,
but possible.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Uh. I'm going to guess Jalen. I'm going to guess
Darius Robinson is going to be one of those. You
can put him over the nose, you can stick them
out of the five technique. I mean, he could be.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
And I think they like to move Jalen around too.
I think Jalen maybe more than Garrett.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
That's my segue. So, as we reported last year, Week
eighteen said, you know what, Cardinals players are doing film
work and seeing their schemes being replicated by other teams,
And sure enough, Jalen Thompson on Arizona Sports, we had
him on and he verified that that, yes, the last month,
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the last season, Cardinals are doing their film work, especially
him and Buddha, and they'd be like, wait a minute,
we're looking at the offensive team X and look at
their opponent in this game. That scheme is something we
innovated mid season and it's already been adopted by an opponent.
That's how quickly and how much respect that some of
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these schemes that Rowlis and jg are coming up with
are resonating through the rest of the league, which to
me reinforces why the Cardinals went all in on defense
in the offseason. They have the defensive minds. Now you
need the defensive horses, You need the players to match
the scheme. You think you have the guys who can
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definitely game plan it up, and now do you have
the guys who can execute that game plan? And to me,
that's a really intriguing marriage of talent and coaching and
what does that mean this year?
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Put a lot of emphasis in offense the first year
and a half, and now it's been defense off season
since many awesome for it came and took charge. One
last funny note from Zavian Collins and his press conference, though, Paul,
since I know you were covering for Wolf and so
you weren't in there, someone was asking about the round
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of golf that Zaven and Trey McBride were playing when
McBride got the call about getting his contract extension, and
we actually learned that they were playing golf together twice
when McBride got a phone call. The first time was
when McBride got a phone call that they were furthering
the negotiation talks, and McBride had joked of, hey, I
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should play golf with you more often. Well, then the
next time they were playing golf, the deal came through.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Wow, that's great.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
So I guess Zavian's good luck.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
See. If I was there, I would have asked Zavan, jeez,
our question, what classic car are you renovating and restoring
this offseason? Every off season he does another car project. So,
as you guys know, I live vicariously through the player's
car collections.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
He did make sure that when introducing himself to all
the new guys in his position room that if anybody
had any interest in hunting or fishing or anything outdoors,
to come his way, and apparently Josh Wett is a
big fisher. Yah asked about the good the good spots.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
You know, I need to go find Zavan. I have
to m see this event over the weekend. It's a
charity fundraiser and at the the attire is Western theme.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
You need a bolo tie and.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Yours truly no belt buckle. No boots, no cowboy hat, nothing.
So I got to figure this out. No boyno thank you,
thank you. So and again the whole Jonathan Gannon in
the hot seat was no bueno as well. I'm not
I'm not. I'm not buying that at all. Not winning behavior, Paul,
not winning behavior, not whatsoever. In fact, before we get
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to it, let me just say this. There's a reason
the man earned an A grade on the NFLPA report card.
And and and people have asked me about Gannon, and
I've said, you know what, I think he does a
real good job in twenty twenty five with today's player
of being demanding without being demeaning. If that makes sense,
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that's good.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
No, it doesn't make sense. And so you know, I
need to learn that myself.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
And here's the other thing. He and Diyllanham did this
as well. The to him stand on the field, they
both came in heavy. They came in heavy that first year.
He realized, I got a this is a big tanker
ship and we have to change the direction. So I'm
coming in and it's gonna be no nonsense from the start,
and you buy in or you get out. I'm looking
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for winning behavior and that's our segue. Can you display
winning behavior? You have to consistently display winning behavior. That's
winning behavior.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
You've got to define what winning behavior is and hold
people to that standard.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Yes, Terry Bradshaw, four rings and he's going after Aaron
Rodgers again. Huh, Terry Bradshaw.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
This was, yeah, this was. It was last week I
think when say he was doing some radio show in
the South and somebody asked him if he thought the
Pittsburgh Steelers should sign Aaron Rodgers and he basically said no.
And he basically said the Steelers should go And I'm
paraphrasing kind of, and he's like, they should just go
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tell him to go away, and he should just go
back into his forest and chew bark somewhere something like that.
And I'm like, chew bark, that's a.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
You know, as someone who shares the same alma mater
in the same area where I grew up. I take
a little umbradge with that. You know, not everyone, you
don't chew bark, not yet, not everyone.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
You know, great insult to keep in your arsenal.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Yeah, not everyone is a pathological tree hugger from I
don't think it has anything a cow.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Isn't there a chance that's where Craig Greeley was on vacation.
A well, no, in a cave right? Well know now
they're in California Native That's.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
My other connection is my first job was in Medford
or Gonna lived in National organ That's the sight of
the Darkness Retreat.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
So the question is is like, are we talking about
this being winning behavior or not winning behavior? By Terry
Bradshaw Again.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
Hey, winning behavior, say how you feel.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
When you're in When you get to your seventies, it's
a lot easier just to tell the world what you're
thinking and not really giving a flying film all.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
So Aaron Rodgers led me to a lot of non
winning behavior last season. We were trying to.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
Predict catch me. Yes, when you're trying to.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Yeah, to predict who is going to win?
Speaker 4 (34:26):
Maybad over that, Danny, I need a chew bark. Well,
you don't necessarily have to chew bark.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
But more quarterback news. Joe Flacco on a question that
I semi asked Jacoby Brissett earlier today.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
Have you heard this Flacco answer?
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Do you do you like being a QB mentor?
Speaker 4 (34:47):
And I think you're blushing A little Paul. Now you
feel a little weird.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Right, You know I kind of went over too on
the two interviews earlier, the Zay Jones and then maybe
the Jacoby Brissett. You know, note to self be better. Uh,
certainly not winning behavior on my part. But yeah, Joe Flacco, Now,
isn't he overacting a little bit when somebody asked about
being a QB mentor? Is it really a no win situation?
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Is that a little extreme?
Speaker 4 (35:14):
I don't think so. I think he's right, okay, because
you heard how he explained it, right. He basically said this,
If I say I'm being a QB mentor, then what
am I doing here? I'm supposed to be fighting for
a job, and that makes it sound like I'm good
just sitting on the bench and teaching this guy. And
if I say I don't want to be a QB mentor,
if you all think I'm an ass, Okay, he probably
didn't say that, but I just did. And I mean
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and and he said, look, I'm not here to be
a mentor. I'm here to win a job. I'm gonna
while we're in the course of the job and we're
in the quarterback room, I with my experience. I'm probably
gonna talk about some stuff and bring up some stuff
that they could probably glean a lot from. But it's
not my job to make them listen, and it's not
my job to teach them. But the information will be
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there if they want to absorb it. I'm paraphrase. That's
basically what he said.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
Fair. That is part of being a mentor. That is
mentorship of I'm going to do what I need to
do to be prepared and be successful and trying to
spot on the team. And you can ask me questions,
you can watch and you can learn, but he has
his own job to do. And I think you can
find a middle ground of that.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
I think there's a happy medium between saying I'm going
to mentor this guy and I'm not going to be
a jerk, And there's a.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
Look, there's a difference of the player and where they
are in their career in this situation they're in right,
Like looking back for Colt McCoy coming here like he
wasn't they knew that the starting quarterback was going to
be Kyler Murray. That is a whole different situation of
that is being a quarterback mentor. If you're not truly
fighting for the starting role.
Speaker 4 (36:45):
It reminds me a little bit of if you want
it to me, the perfect road to take if your
veteran quarterback is what Kurt Warner did. Kurt Warner tried
to teach Matt Lionert something. I don't think it stuck,
but he tried to teach Matt Lioner some things about
how to be a quarterback, how to read, watch film,
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how to prepare. However, Kurt Warner was telling everybody that
would listen, not off the record, on the record in
interviews that I'm the better quarterback and if it's a
fair fight, I'm going to win this job, which in
the end he did, but he was still trying to
help Matt Lioner. He just believed in himself.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
More so, in my attempt to get ready for a
failed Jacoby Brissett interview, all my fault. I went and
found the Drew Stan comment from back in March. We
had him in the Big Red Rage the same week
the Cardinals had signed Jacoby Brissett. So Drew Stan more
than a decade in the league is called QB two,
made a handsome living doing it, and he said at
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the time that he sent the Cardinals' front office a
text with congratulations and called it an a plus hire
Jacoby Brissett. He said, to me, that shows a real
commitment to that room because it isn't just about one guy.
And then we asked him, well, why do you call
it an a plus Jacoby Brissett, He goes, because it's
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beyond the skill set. It's what that role is, the
backup quarterback needs to be. You have to You want
a guy with starter experience who can play, but he's
also unselfish enough that he's willing to do all the
work behind the scenes. He said, My job I took
very seriously. I knew I was the backup, but my
plan was to do anything and every thing I could
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to get Carson Palmer ready to play. He said. It's
a very different mindset to be the backup. You don't
get the luxury, all the reps, he said, all your
gratification comes and seeing the offense excelling. Yes, and so
you have to buy in as QB two in that regard.
Speaker 4 (38:45):
Well and again winning behavioring And back to Danny's point,
which is the difference is Drew was coming in as
a backup. Jacoby's coming in as a backup in Joe
Flacco's case, he legit still has a chance to start.
So I understand, and if you got to sync back
into that once you you're just.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
Look at me. I just I'm biting my tongue on that.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
Yeah, you don't think he's gonna start, I'm.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
Not a shore Sanders has to say, Dylan Gabriel.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
I'm just saying anyway, not us. Everybody said Joe Flacker
wasn't gonna start two years ago in Cleveland or whenever
it was, and he did, and he won a lot
of games.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
But are we dismissing this sort of impact Jacoby Brissette
can have on Kyler and this offense this year. Drew
also went on to say, look at Brissett in his
decade in the league, how many different systems he's played
in he started fifty or sixty games. He has a
lot of experience, he really knows, Drew petsing, Well, Kyler
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didn't have that last year in a young and inexperienced
Clayton Tune. I just wonder, can Jacoby Brissett be more
of an asset than we realize? Not necessarily with Kyler
and they have two different skill sets, but just with
the offense in general, because remember how instrumental Kurt Warner
was as the pseudo offensive coordinator.
Speaker 4 (40:01):
I'm going to say this to that he could, but
there's still the percentage is so heavily eighty to ninety
percent on how Kyler plays on the field. The rest
of it is good. It can't hurt. It might help
a little, but it doesn't matter if Kyler doesn't play
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the way you're hoping.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Because it is remarkable when you talk to Drew Stand
to this day, if you name a defensive coordinator, he'll
tell you everything about that guy's playbook, his style, his tendencies.
We asked him about Will Johnson, and the first thing
he said was, oh, yeah, wank Martindale's system. Very complex,
very elite in terms you'd better be a thinking man's cornerback.
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And he was very complimentary Will Johnson being able to
master that system and excel in it, which kind of
segues me into Will Johnson and what Nick Rawlis had
to say about Will Johnson if I'm seeing the quotes correctly.
When asked what's stood out, he said work ethic one,
talent to intelligence three, and then namamed Denzel Burke as
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both being serious serious pros end quote.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
Interesting, well that's who there isn't that who they're going
to draft anyway. I mean again, sometimes with some of
these guys they're drafting, I'm like they've worked very hard
to find a certain type of player, and so that
does not surprise me in the least. We'll see if
they can play.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
Very dismissive Darren Urban today dismissive.
Speaker 4 (41:27):
I'm just it's it's June.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
I'm trying to advance some theories and get some traction
and some buying, and you know, Darren's in.
Speaker 4 (41:34):
That's winning behavior, Paul. I'm going to give you winning
behavior for that.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
I mean, it's you know, I'm more like Bart Scott
can't wait and then Darren's over here. You know, No,
you will sit in the waiting room until we get
to camp and get some more answers.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
And what am I doing?
Speaker 2 (41:48):
I don't know, Danny. You know it's a good question,
which which side are you on? What are you doing?
Speaker 4 (41:52):
Dan? Are you?
Speaker 3 (41:53):
You know what I actually have been doing the last
couple of days, which is very new for me, is
I have discovered the joy of scrolling through Facebook Marketplace yes, okay,
And I got to.
Speaker 4 (42:05):
Tell you we're on the fence whether this is winning
behavior or not.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
Yes. I was looking through the other day and in one.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
In search of what are what you're looking for? So
I was just looking.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
I was just looking. I was just saying, you know,
people always talk about I found on Facebook work place, okay,
And I've only tried to sell one thing and I
had a really bad experience. The person didn't show up,
So I haven't really used Facebook. Maarkplace.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
That's what I'm scrolling.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
And in one scroll I see a BBL recovery mattress.
I see a warn hot dog shirt being sold for
two dollars, and I saw somebody selling a pizza restaurant,
and I'm thinking this is incredible range. So then I
started scrolling a little more. Somebody was holding in their
hand fresh locks they had just cut off their heads,
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still had the ponytail around it, and Chandler being sold
for eight hundred and fifty dollars. And then today I
was scrolling in between the press conferences we were waiting
for the next person who and I ended up seeing
like a golf a golf game, like an arcade game.
And then I clicked on it to show Darren and
the next thing, you know, my algorithm is pac Man
and pinball and all these games now on Facebook marketplace
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it is. It is an incredible place to waste time
in gin stroll.
Speaker 4 (43:17):
She did find some golf carts, some upper level golf
carts that she wants to get for training camp.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
Yeah, right right around the widbit, We're gonna.
Speaker 4 (43:25):
Go ahead and take a collection. I don't know what's
got to be fifty bucks each.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
So that is winning behavior. If you can find you
can find anything on there.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
You can't bury it in an expense report, you know,
these golf carts, you can't. You just sort of, you know,
disguise it in there.
Speaker 3 (43:41):
We could take it from one building to the next.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Yeah, okay, all right, well interesting trying to figure out
if the last item here on winning behavior is we'll
hold that till next Okay, all right, just thought i'd
throw that. Yeah, okay, is a really still a Madden curse?
Is there?
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Really?
Speaker 3 (44:03):
Wasn't that the year Christian McCaffrey was on the cover
of Madden when he got hurt?
Speaker 2 (44:08):
Was that the same year you have to narrow down
which injury with Christian McCaffery.
Speaker 4 (44:11):
I'm last year. I'm getting ahead box from from both
Cody and Jackson, so.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
Good luck to Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
It's a heck of a cover, though. Has there been
a better cover than that?
Speaker 4 (44:22):
No?
Speaker 2 (44:23):
Probably, I mean that, I mean that that's really.
Speaker 4 (44:25):
Well where he's doing the backwards, the backwards hurdle. Trey
McBride would never I would say that.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
That's the question. Somebody asked, what's next this year?
Speaker 3 (44:35):
The backward hurdle made it pretty clear he wants to stop.
I don't think it might have been in a who knows,
maybe that's in his contract.
Speaker 4 (44:43):
Here's my bigger question other than the Madden hurdle with Saquon.
Oh yeah, I'm being shown by Jackson that they cover
boy on n B A two K was Jason Tatum,
So you don't want to be a cover guy Anyways,
Larry Fitzgerald did not get hurt when he was on
the cover with Troy I will I've got to ask
this question with Saquon Barkley more so than the Madden curse.
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They there's been a number of guys who have had
I think the number is three hundred and forty carries
in a season, and I think if you add in
the playoffs Saquon Barkley had maybe it was touches, I
don't know, we had it was over four hundred.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (45:25):
And the the statistics for those guys the following year
drops precipitously, And it'll be interesting to see what happens
with Saquon Barkley this year. I mean, even the guys
if you forget about the carries and you just do
guys who gained two thousand yards usually, I think the
highest number of a two thousand yard gainer has ever
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gotten the following year is like fourteen hundred, which is
not a bad season at all, but that's still a
serious drop.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
Well, and then you factor in Saquon Barkley's been wearing
himself out just trying to solicit more props and plot.
It's calling the Eagles a top five team of all
time in the offseason. I mean, as if the Eagles
needed help being the most despised team in the league.
The Eagles are replacing the Cowboys at a rapid rate
at this point. That's wrong on that one.
Speaker 4 (46:10):
A strong statement.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
By the way, Can I take umbrage with something Darren
over here.
Speaker 3 (46:14):
Is take umbrage over everything.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
Darren tell me be Paully pumped the brakes on, you know,
fourteen different topics. But then he includes, are we going
to break down the roster and keep an extra corner
or d lineman? I mean, I mean, to be fair,
you're already deciding the final fifty three.
Speaker 4 (46:31):
I included that before I knew we were going to
have some good stuff at the press conference today. When
you're trying to prep this rundown, like five days in advance,
there wasn't a whole lot going on. We can hold
off the roster. I have no problem.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
I'll entertain it. What are you anticipating? At this point,
we're not holding you to it, But in early June,
what are what are you anticipating in terms of roster construction.
Speaker 4 (46:53):
The reason we're talking about it is like, and I
think we've talked about it before, are they going to
keep seven defensive linemen?
Speaker 2 (46:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (47:00):
Us, how many cornerbacks did they keep last year?
Speaker 4 (47:03):
They might keep eight defensive lineman.
Speaker 3 (47:06):
Yes, because they had last year.
Speaker 4 (47:09):
From where are you taking from?
Speaker 2 (47:11):
If you the versatility I'm seeing right now in the
defensive backfield, players who can all play safety and or
slot corner.
Speaker 4 (47:19):
So you're you're gonna make some of.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
The hoods up there. I think you're gonna carry one
one few were running back this year. And I also
think the other reason you didn't add to the receiver
room you might take a receiver out of that way.
Speaker 4 (47:32):
So, just for instance, how many safeties do you think
they keep?
Speaker 2 (47:35):
And how many old linemen did you keep last year?
How many safety did they keep? It's gonna be four tops,
It'll be maybe could you get away with three?
Speaker 4 (47:44):
No? No, because they're gonna keep one for special teams.
Joy Blunt is gonna be on this team for special teams. True,
and you're gonna have Rabbit, and you're gonna have Jalen
and you're gonna have Buddha. Okay, so you're you're not
getting less than four safeties.
Speaker 2 (47:57):
I'm already at a detriment here because Darren has gone
through this roster with a fine tooth comb, and I
realized I'm swimming here.
Speaker 3 (48:03):
Maybe we look at the numbers and we prepare it
for next week.
Speaker 4 (48:06):
We got to come up with something for next week.
At some point, we might actually have to get some
stuff in the cam because when we all take vacation that.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
What do you mean we have to come up with
something that isn't next week mandatory mini camp or am
my week.
Speaker 4 (48:17):
Oh that's true. That's a good point. Well then we
can save that for later. That's right. That'll be the
one going into the off season.
Speaker 3 (48:22):
We need extra time to prepare our math, that's.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
Right, right, especially when our mantra is no mass, so
it gets kind of difficult.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
So I know that you couldn't do it physically, but spiritually.
Who would have gotten the most lamp lights today?
Speaker 2 (48:37):
Interesting? That's right?
Speaker 3 (48:39):
That is I got a few compliments.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
Yeah, Danny did You're right? You know, I don't know.
Darren was more in attacking mode than you know. Really
he was a little more caustic than it's cerbic maybe
perhaps today, you know, it's just it's usually you know,
a fine line between the two.
Speaker 4 (48:59):
Yeah, this is what happens when you get an older
brother younger sister dynamic.
Speaker 3 (49:06):
No, I'm not ready to move past that, Paul. No,
I'm offended. Somebody has actually said that in full seriousness,
which I semi appreciate because it was a comment on life.
Speaker 4 (49:19):
I fully appreciate.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
Notice how Darren didn't have state to bring it up.
Speaker 3 (49:23):
It was a comment on one of our recent episodes
that was uploaded, and this fine individual who clearly listens,
which I am very appreciative of, so thank you. I
do not want to deter you with saying that we
have we've changed things up a little bit over the
last couple of years to get settled into where we
are now, and that Paul does a good job leading
the ship, and that Danny and Darren have a quote
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older brother younger sister vibe that gets very funny from
time to time. And I do take slight offense to
that because Darren and I are not in the same
age bracket, we are not in the same dinner graphic.
The only way we could be siblings is in one
of those situations where the parents get divorced and one
of them gets remarried and has another kid, like twenty
two years later. That's what this would be. One of
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those mere family dynamics.
Speaker 4 (50:12):
Can you hear that? Like President John Tyler whatever his
name is, still had a grandson that just passed away
the other day. The dude was Presidents.
Speaker 3 (50:19):
I appreciate that you listen. I appreciate that you like
our dynamic, but we got to figure out something other
than older brother younger Ol.
Speaker 4 (50:26):
Why you're such a hater, Danny. This hurts me to
the core.
Speaker 3 (50:29):
Yeah, it hurts me too. You've been waiting to bring
that up for a couple of weeks.
Speaker 4 (50:36):
Now I just it just flashed.
Speaker 2 (50:38):
I want to say, well, it has been a week.
Not only that stat but the last time it rained
on June first was nineteen fourteen. I mean, what is
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Speaker 2 (00:35):
Touchdown Tyler Murray, that defender is in multiple pieces.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
All that was nasty right there?
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Rights slam the ground by fooda baker like a torpedo.
He came flying into the backfield. I ain't scared of nobody.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Here's Paul Calvic.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
All right.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
My gift to you off the top of your Cardinals Underground.
No snarky, seemingly witty intro, although I'm really more attempted
than succeed at it in the past, no more apparent
than earlier today is Jay Jones intro That went awry
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and I may have submarined the entire interview, and I
was trying to make the point that, you know what,
there are six guys with the last name Jones on
the current Cardinals roster here week two of the OTAs,
and I was just curious if he was keeping up
with the Joneses, and he said, well, that's cute, and
then he turned towards the other person who was interviewing
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him at the time, and so, yeah, you know, I
probably should have saved that. In hindsight, Danny, you know,
I probably should have saved that maybe for a little
bit later, after maybe I established re established some good
graces with Jay Jones here.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
It's probably not the first time he's heard that.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Probably not. Wow, okay, well, is that why you got sideways?
Speaker 2 (01:55):
It can always get worse than it.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
To get the idea laid out today?
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Where's the lamp?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
The lamp? Oh my god, well, you know what, the
way I'm tracking out of the gates here, there's no
chance of me lighting that lamp today. So maybe, uh,
you know, I guess we have to work to earn
that lamp.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Now, you guys, you guys usually has a table, and
we don't have the tables here.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
What is the point of the podcast if there's no
lamp to.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Light okay, Well, if you want to go off on
like a two minute rant, so the camera's on you,
I can run over here and set it up. But
we have no pedestal or anything.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
The table is here in the corner.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Oh I see there it is? Okay? All right, Well
you know do you do you want to stop down
and uh and put the light on or can you persevere?
Can youersevere?
Speaker 4 (02:35):
I think I'm going to live with it, and it'll
be in next week's winning behavior or non winning behavior.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
That's on Paul.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
They can edit in later, you c G I little
yeah like that. It'll go a little bit later. You know,
we'll see. So all right, let's just get right to it, Paul,
KELVC Darren Irvan, Danny sirek Uh. There they were earlier
today Cardinals out on the field. But the second straight
week Phase three o t AS Week two? Did I
get that correct? Darren Herban?
Speaker 4 (03:01):
You did?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Okay? What stood out? What should stand out? You know? Takeaways?
You know, what was worthwhile? What was news worthy? What
stood out to you Darren since you were there boots
on the ground.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
I mean again, when we're talking about OTAs, there's only
so much a we can report on and be that
you're going to be able to actually see I you know,
I know a lot of people have been talking a
lot about who's here and who's not. I'm not a
huge fan of that during the voluntary stuff, just because
it's so hit and miss over who you're seeing on
a particular day. I mean, the thing is is if
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you're if a guy's not out there the one day
that the reporters are out there, that doesn't mean he's
not out there every other day. So what does it
really mean? But I did notice that there was a
couple of people that are back, a couple people that
are still not there, the Dalvin Tomlinson, the Josh Sweat,
Kalais Campbell. But again not a big surprise. And to me,
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the the taking attendance is more important. Next week with
a mandatory.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Stuff, we might not agree on much, but I think
we agree on this much. Come week one. Nobody cares
who was there in early June. Absolutely nobody cares at
that point. So yeah, that's true. It's much ado about nothing,
especially if you're an eighteen year veteran like Kalais Campbell.
Come on now so we'll see you know what you
know who was there I thought was interesting was Kenny Dillingham,
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ASU head coach And how could you not see him
standing next to Jonathan Gannon and the two of them talking,
and think, man, do you realize the state of ASU
football when Kenny Dillingham took over? Do you realize just
how far Jonathan Gannon and Mantias Sport had to go
coming off that season in twenty twenty two with an
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injured Kyler Murray going into twenty three and the two
of them standing there. At least me, I just had
a flashback mode of thinking, Man, think of where their
respective teams were and where they are are now. I mean,
it's phenomenal with the two of a competent.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
I think it's it's it's amazing. And when you when
you drill down on the Cardinals themselves, like you forget,
I don't say you forget. I heard I heard at
some point that there was some list out there. And again, Paul,
You've made that comment before that this is kind of
the season right now?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Oh are we talking the Pro Football Focus and hot seat.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Hot seat and and Gannon being on it and it you.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Know, when I'm rolling up my sleeves right now, can
I have a piece of that when you're done.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
I mean, obviously that's dumb, and I think it's just dumb.
But aside from that.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
And by the way, I didn't even dignify that with
a click. It was so stupid.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
No, no, I didn't. I I just heard about it.
But I guess where I'm going with it is you
mentioned Kyler missing that first half season. I mean, to me,
that first season, and I know, no NFL season is
a lost season. That was that was in hindsight, that's
a throwaway season you didn't have. You weren't gonna have
your quarterback for half the year. There's no way to
me you can judge the wins and losses off of
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that year. That's just my personal feeling. People can say
whatever they want, but when you walk into it without
your real quarterback, your no offense. Josh Dobbs, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yeah, yeah. We had a chance to visit with Jacoby
Brissett earlier today, and it is it's always interesting to
talk football with an NFL quarterback. It's just next level.
Like when we have Drew Standing on the Red Sea Report,
it's just next level what they see and what they
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know about the game. Is just so intriguing, and maybe
most interesting was that he said, oh, yeah, I'm an
admitted trash talker. I will chop it up during practice.
You will hear me. I will start it, And then
didn't Nick Rowlis have a long explanation at his press
conference this week about you know, trash talking. So I'm
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now I'm fast forward in my head to Cardinals camp
at State Farm Stadium in August and Jaco we said,
Nick Ross barking at each other from either side of
the field.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
This is nothing new. ROLLSS has talked about this before.
What's interesting is this time of year, the rules are
set up so the offense can quote unquote be more
successful in a sense. Right, So it's gonna be easier
for the offense to complete a pass or have a
good play, right because the defense you don't want contact,
you don't want anyone getting hurt. So a lot of
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the trash talk. Now it's very interesting coming from a
tight end Trey McBride when the defense really can't do
much about it. But this is something that goes on
all year. The defensive coordinator is always chirping at offensive
players and they're going back and forth with each other.
The players, right, I mean, Trey McBride and Buddha Baker
is a fun matchup I'm sure for them in practice.
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And McBride was saying too, he was going back and
forth with some of the new defensive linemen. At the
end of the day, right, it's all about iron sharpening
iron and helping each other get better. You're just having
a little fun with it.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
And I know you are certainly going to want to
talk about trash talk, Paul, because that's what you're all about.
But I do want to clarify real quick with what
Danny was saying for those out there listening when we
talk about the defense being behind the eight ball this
time of year, Like literally the rules say defenders are
not allowed to challenge the ball in the air. So
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what as a pass is coming in, even if the
cornerback is near the receiver, he essentially he's got to
let it go. So like it's it's very you can
do very little as a defensive back. You better be
able to find that in open space because if you're
a glued door receiver that plays over, essentially once the
ball halfway.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Gets to the rest rollis also to clarify that McBride
is a very bad trash talker that it doesn't come
out smooth. And then when McBride sat down in the
chair at the podium right after, McBride said yeah, I'm
probably a little better than what he said, but not
very good.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
So I'm guessing a lot of the trash talk is
probably Oh no, if this is real football, I would
have made that play.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
You got no one to defend me.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
Well, Trey did say that if every time he makes
a catch, he'll go to Rollis first and say I
thought you were going to cover me today. No, he's
covering me, which is always I mean, I'm assuming this
is also probably happening during the regular season, but this
time of year it's kind of hilarious.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
So take that scenario you just described and take out
Nick Ross, insert Fred Warner just saying anyway, Trey McBride
would never h By the way, let me okay, this
I just had I had an idea. Here, you tell
me if I'm cra if I had a light, I
turn it on right now. Okay, do you think in
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training camp the defense should be allowed to touch the
merchandise a little bit more? How does the receiver get
better at Contesta catches Marvin Arrison Junior if he's get
if he's totally untouched. And remember the jokes that the
DB's made in training camp last year. Oh no, thou
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shall not touch the number four pick overall, sort of
like Larry back in the day. But Larry was established,
it was a multi time pro bowler. But it was
a different era back then.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Oh dude, I got a I got an anecdote. I
want to tell them that ahead.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
I'm just wondering, you know, what is the risk reward
of letting your dvs more be more physical with your receivers,
because that's regular season football.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
First of all, Just to clarify the rules right now
are NFLPA rules about camp? I know, And I'm just
trying to accentuate your point, which is once we get
to camp, then it's coaches making that decision. They can
do that if the coaches let it happen.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
You're right, that's my point.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
I guess the risk reward is easy injury. That that's
what you are trying to prevent when you're trying to
limit any sort of contact. Now, the pro is exactly
what you're talking about, which is getting that experience in
those contested catches. From both perspectives, you're as a coach,
you're not going to want to put your players in
harm's way before the season even gets started. That's why
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they're gonna have drills where you've got a coach, you know,
hitting the receiver with pads and trying to emulate any
sort of contact in any way that they can. So
that's why you have to limit some of that. Absolutely,
it would be more fun if you've got to see
like a true one on one. So that's why when
you see some of that in campus, always like ooh, like, yeah,
it's getting physical. But coaches are always gonna have limitations.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
I came across I'm flipping through reels or something, and
I came across a podcast that Kevin Minter did. Remember
Kevin Minter? Sure, what's Kevin Mintor's claim to fame. He
was the second round pick for the Cardinals the year
they took Tyron Matthew in the third round. Both al
Lsu Kevin Mincher, the linebacker played played for the Cardinals
(11:30):
a handful of years. He's telling an anecdote which I'm like,
I'd never heard this before, but it cracked me up
and they're talking about rookies and getting their feet wet.
And I don't know who he was doing the podcast with,
but apparently it was with one of his former LSU teammates,
so it's guys that he played with in college but
knew the league. And he's talking about how he first
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and I wish I had the clip because the way
these guys were reacting as Kevin was telling the story
was hilarious. But he's telling the story about when he
was a rookie. And I don't know if this was
the off season or we'd already gotten a training camp,
but he was a rookie and he's a linebacker. And
in past coverage, the rule at LSU was the number
one rule for the linebackers was eliminate the crossers. First.
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Oh boy, And he said, in practice, Larry Fitzgerald was
coming across and so, and you could hear these guys go,
oh you did not, Oh you did not. And he goes,
so I went to go eliminate the crosser, and he goes,
he eliminated fits and he said, Bruce arians just aired
(12:37):
him out. You don't do that to Larry Fitzgerald, because
eliminate the crosser is exactly what it sounds like. The
guy's coming across and you eliminate him. And it just
made me think about it. When you're talking about guys
getting hit in practice.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
That is that is outstanding, all right? Speaking to Trey McBride,
did he also not give a little bit, a little
bit of context as to what the Cardinals offense might
be evolving into.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
I'm gonna let Danny handle this because she asked the question.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Yeah. I had asked the tight end about how much
more head the offense could be at this point in
the offseason, given the continuity of not just with the players,
the coaches, the play caller, an offensive coordinator Drew Petsing,
and again, it's limited into what you can do at
this point in the offseason, and you know, routes versu air.
But McBride had a pretty good answer in saying, yes,
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this offense already feels more complex. It's no longer vanilla
because you have enough people here with that familiarity of
what the play calls are, what the goal is, what
is being asked of not just you, but those around you,
and they're able to already at this point in the
off season be working on some prestat motions and what
McBride likes to call the extra sauce, a little extra
flavor to make this offense more complex. That's what you
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want to hear, right, You want to hear that the
foundation is set and everybody understands it enough until this point.
And the fact that you do have so many key
plays on this roster that were here last year. You
don't want to be doing the same things you were
at this point last year.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
It's funny that you say what people want to hear,
because I put that quote out knowing the number of
fans that are desperate for this offense to have more motion.
I believe you've talked about that before.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
We've talked about a little bit, and there was more
motion at the end of the year according to the analytics,
And so what does that mean going into this year?
It's something at Cliff Kingsbury, you know, Trey McBride says sauce.
Kingsbury used to use extra and then super extra. That
was sort of his terminology. But and then of course
there is the ever popular eye candy, which semi led
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Speaker 4 (14:47):
Please tell me your clip and that you have to
clip that.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
One so we have like an out of context sloper
reel or something. It slaps, Paul, it slaps.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
I've often said, Paul is just about winning. It's it's
really nothing else.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Okay, you want to stat there, tough guy, turn this
off for the man for fifteen ninety nine. It's all
you can eat riblets, double crunch, shrimp and chicken tenders
a riblet. Don't act like you didn't have a Mick
rib back in the day.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Come on, you had the Hallapanio popper doritos.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
It's a cold war of crunch where those double or
triple crunch don't do it. Don't pull a red lobster.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Okay, we're clearly confused. But I'm on the same page
as you.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Now we have a problem. Oh yes, beef.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
What are we beefing about.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
We've got a highly caffeinated Darren Urban Danny thumbs up,
her thumbs down, thumbs up. If only those thumbs had muscles,
then it would be more apropos hey. Based on the
early returns, you're peaking too early. Darren, you better pace
yourself at this point. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
Caustic, abrasive Darren.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Nerman, he has put on some muscle.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
I feel like I've gotten in a better place. I
am a lot older.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
You don't yell at me as much.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
That just hurts.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
That hurts right here the lamp.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
I need a drink, a good walk off. Thumb muscles
are about the only muscles that Marlon Arson Junior hasn't
put on at this point. Everybody who walks in here
for these interviews, they're yoke, They're jacked. I mean, somebody
has to smuggle out of workout plan from that weight room.
We need best practices around here. What exactly plan are
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they following? And what does it mean for this season? Now?
Are you thinking, Okay, they look good without their sleeves
and it's good beach muscles and stuff, or is that
an indication that this team is planning on being more
physical than ever? Can we drop? We're always looking for
evidence of something leading to something else. What do you
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make of all the muscle mass?
Speaker 4 (16:41):
I gotta be honest, I don't know if it's a
lot different other than the fact that we're paying close
attention because two of the guys that were most noticeable
were the first round picks last year, and you were
also hoping that those two guys made big jumps. But
I just go back to and this was something JG
talked about at the owner's meetings when he was you know,
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he's a big h He's a big have guys in
shape kind of guy. I'd have to go back and
look at the the actual quotes, but like it means
a lot to him. For a guy, each position is different,
but you better be in the right type of shape
for how they see it and how they're strength, conditioning
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and sports nutrition all that how they see it, or
you probably won't be here very long.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
For some players too, it's about body fat. It's not
just putting on muscle, right, like the work they want
you to do in the off season and how they
want you to adjust things.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
You know, again, if you look at this team, I mean,
for the most part, the big guys, the offensive and
defensive lineman, the Cardinals seem to have a lot more
basketball looking dudes than many teams or many Cardinals teams
that I've covered. I mean, I'm not saying they're all
they all look like that, because they don't all look
like that, but they seem to have ratio wise a
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higher number of guys that look like that compared to
some other teams that I've covered.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
So I went back, I took the latest Ota roster,
and then I went back and I grabbed the flip
card from week eighteen. Yes, to compare weights Marvin Arson
Junior and Darius Robinson's same weight as they were listed
at the end of last season.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
To clarify though, because I have inquired about that, KA,
they officially don't weigh INHA until veteran mandatory mini camp
when they do their physicals.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
So or a week away from maybe getting some answers.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
Now, that does not mean the machinations that put the
roster together will necessarily change their weight, but they're not
going to get officially wait till then. Okay, I know
that Darius Robinson told me about a month ago that
he really has his weight really hasn't changed that much.
It's just maybe the percentage of body fat.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
So he's listed at six five to eighty five. I'm
pretty sure I'm seeing that right. The worst part about
having a ninety man roster is the micro font But anyway,
there's that, and then to your point about how you
know they don't have any like big, overweight, sloppy offensive lineman.
Even their first round pick this year, Walter Nolan the
third listened to two ninety six. Right, So, speaking of
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Walter Nolan dot dot dot, who's gonna fill in the
blank on that one from Ota?
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Well, he is the first. Ota was working on the side.
He was back at it and somebody asked him if
it was either contract or injury related as JG, and
JG said neither, And you know, I don't know exactly
what it means at this point. I mean, a guy
might be hurt if he's on the side. There's a
chance the way they operate, there's a chance. At some
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point somebody goes to JG and says, this guy's had
so many reps since he showed up, and he's a rookie,
we need to dial him back for today, for instance,
and have him take a rest day because he's getting
too many reps out there, because that's how they do
things now. I don't know if that's what it is,
but no.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
That's a plausible theory. I mean, from all accounts, what
did we hear once he got drafted, he was in
every down player at Ole Miss like he played a
ridiculous amount of snaps, which a could be that you know,
and we all know like in baseball, right, guys will
get an off day. They could be on like a
seventeen game. Industry doesn't matter if they have a designated
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off day because the analytics and all the numbers and
the nutrition and training staff says thal shout have an
off day here on this date, and it's predetermined before
the season ever begins.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Well, and then on Tuesday's OTAs, Nolan was out on
the field working out, so he was back.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
And so you know, again it's funny. JG went on
a long explanation about why he doesn't like talking about injuries.
And I know a lot of people out there get
frustrated when he won't talk about injuries, and you know
why he won't give updates and everything, and I don't
think he likes to do it generally on a strategic
level anyways. I mean, I think he would admit that
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in a second. But he also said, look, look, it
doesn't if I sit here today and say the guy's
been doing good for a couple of days and then
the next day he takes a step back, which is
not unexpected because not all rehabs are not linear. Then, really,
what have I told you? So? I get it. It
was a very plausible and reasonable explanation. It's not going
to make people all that excited when we want an
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injury update on something. But he did explain it.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
So week one media availability of OTAs. I mean, maybe
this is me just envisioning this, but to me, Daris
Robinson looked quicker than everyone else out there in the
D line group. What did Walter Nolan the third look like?
I was not out there for that portion. Unfortunately Wolf
called in sick and I had to pull double duty,
so I was not out there. I did not see
Walter Nole in the third's debut in a cardinal's uniform
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of any sort out on that field. I mean, what
did he look like in some of the D line drills?
Speaker 3 (21:54):
You're looking across the table at me as if I
were not sitting next to you online radio during practice.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
A lot of pressure here, Darren, A lot of pressure.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
I mean, I thought he looked fine. I put up
one of the video. I put up a video of
one of his reps. Look I've been doing this a
long time. I'm not gonna sit here and say I
didn't think Darius Robinson looks quick and the man just
every time he and again where we stand, we tend
to be next to the defensive line more often than
anybody else, right, and you're not goings a large human being.
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I can't imagine trying to like not get tackled by him.
But I'm also of the reality that I've been doing
this for so long that I just I I just
can't get all that into what's going on right now.
I think they're learning some stuff in the classroom. I
think they're they're getting some mental reps out there. The
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team stuff we can't even talk about. But the individual drills, oh, okay,
you know you're you're you're doing a snap, you're you're
hitting a coach, you're running to air. I mean, I
don't know. I know I should be more excited about it,
but I'm just not. So.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
One of my big questions this year, with the one
hundred and thirty million plus invested in the defensive front,
is can.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
You did math?
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Can you go? Can you go from fifteen guys who
have two sacks apiece to one guy who has fifteen sacks?
Can Josh Sweat be that guy? For example? Did anyone
delve into some of what the revamped defensive front does
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for a Nick Rowlis defense and his ability seemingly theoretically
to rush four more often than he has the first
two years. Did he get into any of that?
Speaker 4 (23:40):
Of course he didn't.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
No, I will say it feels too early for that,
just because when you're talking about a Josh Sweat, we
haven't even seen sweat on the field. Now. He could
have been out there practicing on any of the four
days that the media was not out there in the
last week, since media was only out there for two
mini campus mandatory Next, that's when you can really start
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getting a feel for, Okay, who is out here, right like,
who is healthy enough to be out here? At this point,
it's really training camp. I feel like you are able
to see enough to get a fair answer from a
coach or a coordinator, right Like, at this point, it's
kind of like you're gonna ask me and say, yeah, we
don't really know. Like they've got ninety guys right there.
So when you get closer to camp and you have
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a better idea of what the team can truly look
like and you get a feel of seeing everybody out
on the field together going up against each other right
offensive and defensive linemen going against each other more than
they're able to right now. That's when you're gonna get
a better feel. I also wouldn't know that it'd be
fair for Rowlis to answer that when we're talking about,
you know, the Russian coverage being a marriage in the sense,
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and what are you using in your coverage right now?
What is Will Johnson going to be able to give
you when he's had what ten practices as a rookie.
So it just feels a little early. It is absolutely
a fair question. It is something that is absolutely on
the table given the personnel changes. I just think it's
a little early to decide.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
The reality is Paul wants Nick Roulis to come out
and say, you know what, with everything we've done, we
were not going to be playing a four to three
and I want everybody so look out. But he didn't
say that, and and again I think he's he's punting
to like, we want to see who's gonna win these jobs.
We want to see He did say there's more flexibility
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and there is going to be more flexibility. But I
don't think there's a defensive coordinator and I haven't done
all the deep dive, but I don't know if there's
a defensive coordinator that already hasn't maximized his flexibility at
every way shape or form was funny. At one point,
Zavian Collins was talking about how he's still and again
another Danny question. Danny was on fire, by the way
in these press conferences. You know, we really could have
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used you, Paul. I know you had other things to do,
but Paul or Danny was like kicking ass in terms
of asking questions and getting good answers regular season four.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
But why do you sound so surprised?
Speaker 4 (25:54):
But at some point, at one point, you know, she's
talking to Zavin about being moved to and if he's
more comfortable and whatever role he has, and he just
he kind of laughed and he's like, it's I'm still
all over the place. Like Nick Rolis is still going
to use Davian Collins all over the place, and I
still think he's going to do that with a handful
of guys.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
The question was about the continuity of you know, Collins
has played well, Yes, he plays a lot of different
positions when he's here, but since he got here to Arizona,
he's been asked to do a lot of different things
under different coaching staffs. And so I was asking him
about the continuity of now that he's been here and
he knows he's going to be playing outside more and
what's kind of expected from him with moving around, how
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he's been able to elevate his game in this offseason
more so than in year's past. And he laughed, He's like,
I mean, they're still moving me all around, and I'm
still doing a whole bunch of things. It really is
Zavion Collins and Buddha Baker who are just being used
all over the field for defense. And I do recommend
going and taking a listen on the Cardinals official YouTube
channel and listening to the live stream because Collins, well,
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he was he was really good today in his press conference.
But he had a really good answer when he was
talking about what he deems a successful season, because it's
the first time we've heard from him since twenty twenty
four season. Ended of he's not a type of pass
rusher that's just going to go on bull rush and
he's going to put up a bunch of stack numbers.
That's not what's asked of him. And as a big player,
he's asked to drop back into coverage, which he did
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have a funny story about playing in Miami and going
up against Tyreek Hill and that was funny for him
to describe. But just talking about what he considers a
successful season, and it's going back and watching plays. Okay,
if I was supposed to blitz here, was I successful?
And did I get back to the quarterback if it
was you know, fork down like, I don't care if
it was obvious passing like, I got to get back
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there and I got to create pressure. And okay, if
I do to drop in a coverage, you know, he
said he's learned over the years that when you're dropping back,
you actually don't want the ball to come your way
because that means you're doing a good job. So it's
things like that that he looks for for whether or
not he was successful on a play. But yeah, Colin
Collins was really good with the media on Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
I mean, okay, we know the off season is all
about lists and polls and all that. Give me your
top five most versatile defenders right now in the Arizona
Cardinals positional flexibility your top five. Savan Collins would be
in the top five.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
Yeah, no particular order. Zavin's got to be one of them.
Boot has got to be one of them.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Wilson maybe Garrett Williams. We haven't really seen him outside,
but possible.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Uh. I'm going to guess Jalen. I'm going to guess
Darius Robinson is going to be one of those. You
can put him over the nose, you can stick them
out of the five technique. I mean, he could be.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
And I think they like to move Jalen around too.
I think Jalen maybe more than Garrett.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
That's my segue. So, as we reported last year, Week
eighteen said, you know what, Cardinals players are doing film
work and seeing their schemes being replicated by other teams,
And sure enough, Jalen Thompson on Arizona Sports, we had
him on and he verified that that, yes, the last month,
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the last season, Cardinals are doing their film work, especially
him and Buddha, and they'd be like, wait a minute,
we're looking at the offensive team X and look at
their opponent in this game. That scheme is something we
innovated mid season and it's already been adopted by an opponent.
That's how quickly and how much respect that some of
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these schemes that Rowlis and jg are coming up with
are resonating through the rest of the league, which to
me reinforces why the Cardinals went all in on defense
in the offseason. They have the defensive minds. Now you
need the defensive horses, You need the players to match
the scheme. You think you have the guys who can
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definitely game plan it up, and now do you have
the guys who can execute that game plan? And to me,
that's a really intriguing marriage of talent and coaching and
what does that mean this year?
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Put a lot of emphasis in offense the first year
and a half, and now it's been defense off season
since many awesome for it came and took charge. One
last funny note from Zavian Collins and his press conference, though, Paul,
since I know you were covering for Wolf and so
you weren't in there, someone was asking about the round
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of golf that Zaven and Trey McBride were playing when
McBride got the call about getting his contract extension, and
we actually learned that they were playing golf together twice
when McBride got a phone call. The first time was
when McBride got a phone call that they were furthering
the negotiation talks, and McBride had joked of, hey, I
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should play golf with you more often. Well, then the
next time they were playing golf, the deal came through.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Wow, that's great.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
So I guess Zavian's good luck.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
See. If I was there, I would have asked Zavan, jeez,
our question, what classic car are you renovating and restoring
this offseason? Every off season he does another car project. So,
as you guys know, I live vicariously through the player's
car collections.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
He did make sure that when introducing himself to all
the new guys in his position room that if anybody
had any interest in hunting or fishing or anything outdoors,
to come his way, and apparently Josh Wett is a
big fisher. Yah asked about the good the good spots.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
You know, I need to go find Zavan. I have
to m see this event over the weekend. It's a
charity fundraiser and at the the attire is Western theme.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
You need a bolo tie and.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Yours truly no belt buckle. No boots, no cowboy hat, nothing.
So I got to figure this out. No boyno thank you,
thank you. So and again the whole Jonathan Gannon in
the hot seat was no bueno as well. I'm not
I'm not. I'm not buying that at all. Not winning behavior, Paul,
not winning behavior, not whatsoever. In fact, before we get
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to it, let me just say this. There's a reason
the man earned an A grade on the NFLPA report card.
And and and people have asked me about Gannon, and
I've said, you know what, I think he does a
real good job in twenty twenty five with today's player
of being demanding without being demeaning. If that makes sense,
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that's good.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
No, it doesn't make sense. And so you know, I
need to learn that myself.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
And here's the other thing. He and Diyllanham did this
as well. The to him stand on the field, they
both came in heavy. They came in heavy that first year.
He realized, I got a this is a big tanker
ship and we have to change the direction. So I'm
coming in and it's gonna be no nonsense from the start,
and you buy in or you get out. I'm looking
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for winning behavior and that's our segue. Can you display
winning behavior? You have to consistently display winning behavior. That's
winning behavior.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
You've got to define what winning behavior is and hold
people to that standard.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Yes, Terry Bradshaw, four rings and he's going after Aaron
Rodgers again. Huh, Terry Bradshaw.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
This was, yeah, this was. It was last week I
think when say he was doing some radio show in
the South and somebody asked him if he thought the
Pittsburgh Steelers should sign Aaron Rodgers and he basically said no.
And he basically said the Steelers should go And I'm
paraphrasing kind of, and he's like, they should just go
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tell him to go away, and he should just go
back into his forest and chew bark somewhere something like that.
And I'm like, chew bark, that's a.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
You know, as someone who shares the same alma mater
in the same area where I grew up. I take
a little umbradge with that. You know, not everyone, you
don't chew bark, not yet, not everyone.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
You know, great insult to keep in your arsenal.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Yeah, not everyone is a pathological tree hugger from I
don't think it has anything a cow.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Isn't there a chance that's where Craig Greeley was on vacation.
A well, no, in a cave right? Well know now
they're in California Native That's.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
My other connection is my first job was in Medford
or Gonna lived in National organ That's the sight of
the Darkness Retreat.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
So the question is is like, are we talking about
this being winning behavior or not winning behavior? By Terry
Bradshaw Again.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
Hey, winning behavior, say how you feel.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
When you're in When you get to your seventies, it's
a lot easier just to tell the world what you're
thinking and not really giving a flying film all.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
So Aaron Rodgers led me to a lot of non
winning behavior last season. We were trying to.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
Predict catch me. Yes, when you're trying to.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Yeah, to predict who is going to win?
Speaker 4 (34:26):
Maybad over that, Danny, I need a chew bark. Well,
you don't necessarily have to chew bark.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
But more quarterback news. Joe Flacco on a question that
I semi asked Jacoby Brissett earlier today.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
Have you heard this Flacco answer?
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Do you do you like being a QB mentor?
Speaker 4 (34:47):
And I think you're blushing A little Paul. Now you
feel a little weird.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Right, You know I kind of went over too on
the two interviews earlier, the Zay Jones and then maybe
the Jacoby Brissett. You know, note to self be better. Uh,
certainly not winning behavior on my part. But yeah, Joe Flacco, Now,
isn't he overacting a little bit when somebody asked about
being a QB mentor? Is it really a no win situation?
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Is that a little extreme?
Speaker 4 (35:14):
I don't think so. I think he's right, okay, because
you heard how he explained it, right. He basically said this,
If I say I'm being a QB mentor, then what
am I doing here? I'm supposed to be fighting for
a job, and that makes it sound like I'm good
just sitting on the bench and teaching this guy. And
if I say I don't want to be a QB mentor,
if you all think I'm an ass, Okay, he probably
didn't say that, but I just did. And I mean
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and and he said, look, I'm not here to be
a mentor. I'm here to win a job. I'm gonna
while we're in the course of the job and we're
in the quarterback room, I with my experience. I'm probably
gonna talk about some stuff and bring up some stuff
that they could probably glean a lot from. But it's
not my job to make them listen, and it's not
my job to teach them. But the information will be
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there if they want to absorb it. I'm paraphrase. That's
basically what he said.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
Fair. That is part of being a mentor. That is
mentorship of I'm going to do what I need to
do to be prepared and be successful and trying to
spot on the team. And you can ask me questions,
you can watch and you can learn, but he has
his own job to do. And I think you can
find a middle ground of that.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
I think there's a happy medium between saying I'm going
to mentor this guy and I'm not going to be
a jerk, And there's a.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
Look, there's a difference of the player and where they
are in their career in this situation they're in right,
Like looking back for Colt McCoy coming here like he
wasn't they knew that the starting quarterback was going to
be Kyler Murray. That is a whole different situation of
that is being a quarterback mentor. If you're not truly
fighting for the starting role.
Speaker 4 (36:45):
It reminds me a little bit of if you want
it to me, the perfect road to take if your
veteran quarterback is what Kurt Warner did. Kurt Warner tried
to teach Matt Lionert something. I don't think it stuck,
but he tried to teach Matt Lioner some things about
how to be a quarterback, how to read, watch film,
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how to prepare. However, Kurt Warner was telling everybody that
would listen, not off the record, on the record in
interviews that I'm the better quarterback and if it's a
fair fight, I'm going to win this job, which in
the end he did, but he was still trying to
help Matt Lioner. He just believed in himself.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
More so, in my attempt to get ready for a
failed Jacoby Brissett interview, all my fault. I went and
found the Drew Stan comment from back in March. We
had him in the Big Red Rage the same week
the Cardinals had signed Jacoby Brissett. So Drew Stan more
than a decade in the league is called QB two,
made a handsome living doing it, and he said at
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the time that he sent the Cardinals' front office a
text with congratulations and called it an a plus hire
Jacoby Brissett. He said, to me, that shows a real
commitment to that room because it isn't just about one guy.
And then we asked him, well, why do you call
it an a plus Jacoby Brissett, He goes, because it's
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beyond the skill set. It's what that role is, the
backup quarterback needs to be. You have to You want
a guy with starter experience who can play, but he's
also unselfish enough that he's willing to do all the
work behind the scenes. He said, My job I took
very seriously. I knew I was the backup, but my
plan was to do anything and every thing I could
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to get Carson Palmer ready to play. He said. It's
a very different mindset to be the backup. You don't
get the luxury, all the reps, he said, all your
gratification comes and seeing the offense excelling. Yes, and so
you have to buy in as QB two in that regard.
Speaker 4 (38:45):
Well and again winning behavioring And back to Danny's point,
which is the difference is Drew was coming in as
a backup. Jacoby's coming in as a backup in Joe
Flacco's case, he legit still has a chance to start.
So I understand, and if you got to sync back
into that once you you're just.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
Look at me. I just I'm biting my tongue on that.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
Yeah, you don't think he's gonna start, I'm.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
Not a shore Sanders has to say, Dylan Gabriel.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
I'm just saying anyway, not us. Everybody said Joe Flacker
wasn't gonna start two years ago in Cleveland or whenever
it was, and he did, and he won a lot
of games.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
But are we dismissing this sort of impact Jacoby Brissette
can have on Kyler and this offense this year. Drew
also went on to say, look at Brissett in his
decade in the league, how many different systems he's played
in he started fifty or sixty games. He has a
lot of experience, he really knows, Drew petsing, Well, Kyler
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didn't have that last year in a young and inexperienced
Clayton Tune. I just wonder, can Jacoby Brissett be more
of an asset than we realize? Not necessarily with Kyler
and they have two different skill sets, but just with
the offense in general, because remember how instrumental Kurt Warner
was as the pseudo offensive coordinator.
Speaker 4 (40:01):
I'm going to say this to that he could, but
there's still the percentage is so heavily eighty to ninety
percent on how Kyler plays on the field. The rest
of it is good. It can't hurt. It might help
a little, but it doesn't matter if Kyler doesn't play
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the way you're hoping.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Because it is remarkable when you talk to Drew Stand
to this day, if you name a defensive coordinator, he'll
tell you everything about that guy's playbook, his style, his tendencies.
We asked him about Will Johnson, and the first thing
he said was, oh, yeah, wank Martindale's system. Very complex,
very elite in terms you'd better be a thinking man's cornerback.
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And he was very complimentary Will Johnson being able to
master that system and excel in it, which kind of
segues me into Will Johnson and what Nick Rawlis had
to say about Will Johnson if I'm seeing the quotes correctly.
When asked what's stood out, he said work ethic one,
talent to intelligence three, and then namamed Denzel Burke as
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both being serious serious pros end quote.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
Interesting, well that's who there isn't that who they're going
to draft anyway. I mean again, sometimes with some of
these guys they're drafting, I'm like they've worked very hard
to find a certain type of player, and so that
does not surprise me in the least. We'll see if
they can play.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
Very dismissive Darren Urban today dismissive.
Speaker 4 (41:27):
I'm just it's it's June.
Speaker 2 (41:29):
I'm trying to advance some theories and get some traction
and some buying, and you know, Darren's in.
Speaker 4 (41:34):
That's winning behavior, Paul. I'm going to give you winning
behavior for that.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
I mean, it's you know, I'm more like Bart Scott
can't wait and then Darren's over here. You know, No,
you will sit in the waiting room until we get
to camp and get some more answers.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
And what am I doing?
Speaker 2 (41:48):
I don't know, Danny. You know it's a good question,
which which side are you on? What are you doing?
Speaker 4 (41:52):
Dan? Are you?
Speaker 3 (41:53):
You know what I actually have been doing the last
couple of days, which is very new for me, is
I have discovered the joy of scrolling through Facebook Marketplace yes, okay,
And I got to.
Speaker 4 (42:05):
Tell you we're on the fence whether this is winning
behavior or not.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
Yes. I was looking through the other day and in one.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
In search of what are what you're looking for? So
I was just looking.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
I was just looking. I was just saying, you know,
people always talk about I found on Facebook work place, okay,
And I've only tried to sell one thing and I
had a really bad experience. The person didn't show up,
So I haven't really used Facebook. Maarkplace.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
That's what I'm scrolling.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
And in one scroll I see a BBL recovery mattress.
I see a warn hot dog shirt being sold for
two dollars, and I saw somebody selling a pizza restaurant,
and I'm thinking this is incredible range. So then I
started scrolling a little more. Somebody was holding in their
hand fresh locks they had just cut off their heads,
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still had the ponytail around it, and Chandler being sold
for eight hundred and fifty dollars. And then today I
was scrolling in between the press conferences we were waiting
for the next person who and I ended up seeing
like a golf a golf game, like an arcade game.
And then I clicked on it to show Darren and
the next thing, you know, my algorithm is pac Man
and pinball and all these games now on Facebook marketplace
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it is. It is an incredible place to waste time
in gin stroll.
Speaker 4 (43:17):
She did find some golf carts, some upper level golf
carts that she wants to get for training camp.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
Yeah, right right around the widbit, We're gonna.
Speaker 4 (43:25):
Go ahead and take a collection. I don't know what's
got to be fifty bucks each.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
So that is winning behavior. If you can find you
can find anything on there.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
You can't bury it in an expense report, you know,
these golf carts, you can't. You just sort of, you know,
disguise it in there.
Speaker 3 (43:41):
We could take it from one building to the next.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Yeah, okay, all right, well interesting trying to figure out
if the last item here on winning behavior is we'll
hold that till next Okay, all right, just thought i'd
throw that. Yeah, okay, is a really still a Madden curse?
Is there?
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Really?
Speaker 3 (44:03):
Wasn't that the year Christian McCaffrey was on the cover
of Madden when he got hurt?
Speaker 2 (44:08):
Was that the same year you have to narrow down
which injury with Christian McCaffery.
Speaker 4 (44:11):
I'm last year. I'm getting ahead box from from both
Cody and Jackson, so.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
Good luck to Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
It's a heck of a cover, though. Has there been
a better cover than that?
Speaker 4 (44:22):
No?
Speaker 2 (44:23):
Probably, I mean that, I mean that that's really.
Speaker 4 (44:25):
Well where he's doing the backwards, the backwards hurdle. Trey
McBride would never I would say that.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
That's the question. Somebody asked, what's next this year?
Speaker 3 (44:35):
The backward hurdle made it pretty clear he wants to stop.
I don't think it might have been in a who knows,
maybe that's in his contract.
Speaker 4 (44:43):
Here's my bigger question other than the Madden hurdle with Saquon.
Oh yeah, I'm being shown by Jackson that they cover
boy on n B A two K was Jason Tatum,
So you don't want to be a cover guy Anyways,
Larry Fitzgerald did not get hurt when he was on
the cover with Troy I will I've got to ask
this question with Saquon Barkley more so than the Madden curse.
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They there's been a number of guys who have had
I think the number is three hundred and forty carries
in a season, and I think if you add in
the playoffs Saquon Barkley had maybe it was touches, I
don't know, we had it was over four hundred.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (45:25):
And the the statistics for those guys the following year
drops precipitously, And it'll be interesting to see what happens
with Saquon Barkley this year. I mean, even the guys
if you forget about the carries and you just do
guys who gained two thousand yards usually, I think the
highest number of a two thousand yard gainer has ever
(45:45):
gotten the following year is like fourteen hundred, which is
not a bad season at all, but that's still a
serious drop.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
Well, and then you factor in Saquon Barkley's been wearing
himself out just trying to solicit more props and plot.
It's calling the Eagles a top five team of all
time in the offseason. I mean, as if the Eagles
needed help being the most despised team in the league.
The Eagles are replacing the Cowboys at a rapid rate
at this point. That's wrong on that one.
Speaker 4 (46:10):
A strong statement.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
By the way, Can I take umbrage with something Darren
over here.
Speaker 3 (46:14):
Is take umbrage over everything.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
Darren tell me be Paully pumped the brakes on, you know,
fourteen different topics. But then he includes, are we going
to break down the roster and keep an extra corner
or d lineman? I mean, I mean, to be fair,
you're already deciding the final fifty three.
Speaker 4 (46:31):
I included that before I knew we were going to
have some good stuff at the press conference today. When
you're trying to prep this rundown, like five days in advance,
there wasn't a whole lot going on. We can hold
off the roster. I have no problem.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
I'll entertain it. What are you anticipating? At this point,
we're not holding you to it, But in early June,
what are what are you anticipating in terms of roster construction.
Speaker 4 (46:53):
The reason we're talking about it is like, and I
think we've talked about it before, are they going to
keep seven defensive linemen?
Speaker 2 (46:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (47:00):
Us, how many cornerbacks did they keep last year?
Speaker 4 (47:03):
They might keep eight defensive lineman.
Speaker 3 (47:06):
Yes, because they had last year.
Speaker 4 (47:09):
From where are you taking from?
Speaker 2 (47:11):
If you the versatility I'm seeing right now in the
defensive backfield, players who can all play safety and or
slot corner.
Speaker 4 (47:19):
So you're you're gonna make some of.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
The hoods up there. I think you're gonna carry one
one few were running back this year. And I also
think the other reason you didn't add to the receiver
room you might take a receiver out of that way.
Speaker 4 (47:32):
So, just for instance, how many safeties do you think
they keep?
Speaker 2 (47:35):
And how many old linemen did you keep last year?
How many safety did they keep? It's gonna be four tops,
It'll be maybe could you get away with three?
Speaker 4 (47:44):
No? No, because they're gonna keep one for special teams.
Joy Blunt is gonna be on this team for special teams. True,
and you're gonna have Rabbit, and you're gonna have Jalen
and you're gonna have Buddha. Okay, so you're you're not
getting less than four safeties.
Speaker 2 (47:57):
I'm already at a detriment here because Darren has gone
through this roster with a fine tooth comb, and I
realized I'm swimming here.
Speaker 3 (48:03):
Maybe we look at the numbers and we prepare it
for next week.
Speaker 4 (48:06):
We got to come up with something for next week.
At some point, we might actually have to get some
stuff in the cam because when we all take vacation that.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
What do you mean we have to come up with
something that isn't next week mandatory mini camp or am
my week.
Speaker 4 (48:17):
Oh that's true. That's a good point. Well then we
can save that for later. That's right. That'll be the
one going into the off season.
Speaker 3 (48:22):
We need extra time to prepare our math, that's.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
Right, right, especially when our mantra is no mass, so
it gets kind of difficult.
Speaker 3 (48:30):
So I know that you couldn't do it physically, but spiritually.
Who would have gotten the most lamp lights today?
Speaker 2 (48:37):
Interesting? That's right?
Speaker 3 (48:39):
That is I got a few compliments.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
Yeah, Danny did You're right? You know, I don't know.
Darren was more in attacking mode than you know. Really
he was a little more caustic than it's cerbic maybe
perhaps today, you know, it's just it's usually you know,
a fine line between the two.
Speaker 4 (48:59):
Yeah, this is what happens when you get an older
brother younger sister dynamic.
Speaker 3 (49:06):
No, I'm not ready to move past that, Paul. No,
I'm offended. Somebody has actually said that in full seriousness,
which I semi appreciate because it was a comment on life.
Speaker 4 (49:19):
I fully appreciate.
Speaker 2 (49:21):
Notice how Darren didn't have state to bring it up.
Speaker 3 (49:23):
It was a comment on one of our recent episodes
that was uploaded, and this fine individual who clearly listens,
which I am very appreciative of, so thank you. I
do not want to deter you with saying that we
have we've changed things up a little bit over the
last couple of years to get settled into where we
are now, and that Paul does a good job leading
the ship, and that Danny and Darren have a quote
(49:48):
older brother younger sister vibe that gets very funny from
time to time. And I do take slight offense to
that because Darren and I are not in the same
age bracket, we are not in the same dinner graphic.
The only way we could be siblings is in one
of those situations where the parents get divorced and one
of them gets remarried and has another kid, like twenty
two years later. That's what this would be. One of
(50:10):
those mere family dynamics.
Speaker 4 (50:12):
Can you hear that? Like President John Tyler whatever his
name is, still had a grandson that just passed away
the other day. The dude was Presidents.
Speaker 3 (50:19):
I appreciate that you listen. I appreciate that you like
our dynamic, but we got to figure out something other
than older brother younger Ol.
Speaker 4 (50:26):
Why you're such a hater, Danny. This hurts me to
the core.
Speaker 3 (50:29):
Yeah, it hurts me too. You've been waiting to bring
that up for a couple of weeks.
Speaker 4 (50:36):
Now I just it just flashed.
Speaker 2 (50:38):
I want to say, well, it has been a week.
Not only that stat but the last time it rained
on June first was nineteen fourteen. I mean, what is
going on? So who knows what's going to happen between
now and next week? Mandatory minichamp here on Cardinals Underground
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