Cardinals Underground - Walter Nolen’s Role, Crabs In A Bucket, And Kyler Murray In Space

Crabs in a bucket? Not for lunch, and not in the defensive line room either. That’s something Paul Calvisi, Darren Urban and Dani Sureck chat about in this week’s minicamp-has-begun podcast, which lends itself to asking just what kind of role Walter Nolen III will have by season’s beginning. Also among the topics: Kyler Murray’s abilities when he finds space on the field and broken plays, additional motion to the offense, Kelvin Beachum’s message to a team in win-now mode, Getting Cultured with a newly-wed NFL QB, Myles Garrett’s potential addition to his “graveyard,” a QB room with Kyler and Jacoby, third downs with Marvin, Winning Behavior and Paul’s flex reaction at the gym, Wolf and his cottage cheese, and a farewell to Gardeck the Barbarian.

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the team.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Touchdown, Tyler Murray, that defender is in multiple pieces.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
All that was nasty right there?

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Rights slamm the ground by fooda baker like a torpedo.
He came flying into the backfield. I ain't scared of nobody.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
Here's Paul Calvic.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
What happened to the good old days when you can
just win the off season without the fanfare, you know,
do it in private, undetected. You see now Marvin Harrison
Junior in the muscle mass hashtag gains now has made
the NFL's Twitter account. After what Kyler Murray said about
Marvin Harrison Junior.

Speaker 4 (01:14):
Well, I will say the NFL was posting about Harrison's
gains when he talked to me like two weeks. They're
just resurfacing everything now the quarterback was asked about it.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
It's sort of in the newsroom, and I spent twenty
plus years in a newsroom. If it bleeds, it leads.
If there's good video, well there's a good video now,
especially after media day, because there he is Marvin Harrison
Junior and he's flexing. By the way, asked me for
my flexing story a little bit later on this edition
of Cardinals Underground Polly Podcast, Darren Urban, Danny Sirek, and
Marvin Harrison Junior. Has he given his weight yet? Has

(01:47):
there been a new now that we're at mini camp,
do we have a new and improved and new and
revised weight speaking of gains?

Speaker 4 (01:53):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:53):
Did I hear right? Paul's gonna flex later is a store.

Speaker 4 (01:57):
But we can't we can't forget to ask about that.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
An anecdote about flexing.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
Nothing new on the weight.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Yeah, I'm still mentally traumatized by said story. We'll get
to that a little bit later. I mean, Marvin Erson
Junior is trying to go about his business. I'll give
you an example and there's Kelvin Beacham. Did you happen
to hear he is on Arizona Sports earlier today and
he was asking he was of course Wolf asked him
about his weight, you know. And then after that they
started talking about play along the line of scrimmage and

(02:24):
Kelvin beachum, the game still won in the trenches, right,
and then he sort of went into this little soliloquy
about you know, we can talk about, you know, the
speed of Kyler Murray, we can talk about Marvin Harrison
Junior posing with all his muscles. So now now Marv
is just getting worked into just different examples from the vets. Okay,

(02:45):
so it's interesting how this is working over here. But
did he do any push ups or anything before the
media day? Shoot, Darren, you were over there on the inside.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
He did not do any push ups. He was just
you know, being Marv.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
He didn't get a good pump in or anything before that.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
That I know, not not anywhere that I saw. Now
I'm in the bubble and he came from the locker room,
and goodness knows what's going on over there.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Paul, How was the media day? Give me some takeaways
behind the scenes. There's gonna be all access footage. I'm
sure coming out it was.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
It was. It was first of all, it's content day now, Paul,
it's no longer content media day.

Speaker 4 (03:20):
Together.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
My apologies because there's actually what's the stinking difference.

Speaker 4 (03:24):
Between talking to local media.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
But it's for it's for media. I'm not talking media
as in attendees, so those covering, But what you're generating
is media multi media.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
Is it not content?

Speaker 4 (03:36):
Okay, that is not getting We're not going to ar
light on the lamp, whichfully Paul remembered this week.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
We're we're happy about there.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
Wow, that was a passive aggressive shot over there.

Speaker 4 (03:46):
I tried to get in earlier, but you didn't give
me much room to get it out there?

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Are we like crabs in a bucket? Do you hear
what Dalvin Tomlinson said.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
I'm sure glad you said about the bucket part, But
I mean that.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
Was a good he said. By the way he called
his shot. He said, there's gonna be many more Southern
colloquialisms as I butcher the word something like that.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
I did enjoy that. I did understand it when he
said it. At the time. There was some other people
that seemed to not fully understand what we get.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Everyone's crawling over each other trying to get out of
the bucket. That's what the d line room. All of
a sudden, it's so deep.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
He's saying, it wasn't. That isn't what it wasn't.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yeah, he said, he said, everyone thinks it's like crabs
in a bucket, you know, every crab for themselves, trying
to get out of the bucket. He said, that's that's
not the case. But how can you not be out
of mandatory mini camp at least? Maybe this is my takeaway.
So here we go. I'll see if this lights the
lamp or not. You see Koleis Campbell standing next to

(04:43):
Walt or Nolan the third just call him Walt at
this point. And there's Darius Robinson. So you got a
round one pick in twenty twenty five, around one pick
in twenty twenty four, and a round two pick in
two thousand and eight. It's pretty remarkable to see those
three guys standing next to each other as teammates.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
I feel like, in some ways they're trying to make
us feel good better, Paul, given that we our draft
class was well before two thousand and eight.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Well, you know what, they're doing a good job for
that they do earn quick lighting to the lamp.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
As long as they can play. I mean, I think
the biggest thing when you talk about that stuff is
I like the experience. I like being able to balance
the young and the old. But the key to especially
somebody like kalais is yeah he's a little long in
the tooth, but he was still playing at a high
level last year when he was playing, He's made it

(05:34):
clear that hey, I can't be playing much more than
thirty or thirty five snaps a game. But if if
that's what I'm playing, I'm going to dominate. That's that's
the important part. This isn't about bringing people in that
just have name recognition that aren't really going to help much.

Speaker 4 (05:48):
That's the key is general manager money also, for it
would not have brought Kalay's Campbell back just because he
is Kalaius Campbell. Where the Cardinals are at right now,
of how they have been transitioning the last couple years
and getting competitive, you're not going to put You're not
going to use a roster spot. You're not going to
put money towards somebody that you don't want out there
out on the field that can make an impact, especially

(06:09):
when this the front office that doesn't have ties to
Campbell from his first round about here now. It does
make it all the more exciting a player that was
that beloved for what he was doing on the field
and off the field to come back still be going
into your eighteen making this sort of impact that Campbell
has been the last couple of years. It works nicely together.
I can't imagine this would have been a move at
Campbell not physically been able to do. What is going

(06:31):
to be asked if him on the field?

Speaker 3 (06:32):
I want to know, And I was thinking about this
the other day. There was a question in the mailbag
that made me think about this a little bit. But
you know, obviously Darius Robinson, had he stayed healthy, was
going to play a bunch last year. Is Walter Nolan
automatically going to play a bunch this year? Or given
the depth that they have, is he going to have
to Might they slow play him a little bit because

(06:53):
he's naturally going to be behind all these veterans who
know what they're doing.

Speaker 4 (06:57):
Question? Is that implying that Robinson was only going to
play a lot because of his draft position because the
way he was looking in camp.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
Right he was earning it. But again, just the first
no one's going to argue the fact that they've raised
the overall level of the defensive line from last year
to this year.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
So how many defensive linemen do you have to have
ahead of Walt right now?

Speaker 3 (07:19):
Ahead of him?

Speaker 2 (07:20):
Ahead of him?

Speaker 4 (07:21):
How can you say anyone isn't given experience? It would
be My counter argument is just because you were I know.
But but still he's had what six practices under his belt?

Speaker 2 (07:34):
Let me use last year as an analogy, by the
time he got to the end of camp. How many
d linemen were ahead of Darius Robinson before the injury.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
But we're not.

Speaker 4 (07:42):
He's had six practice he.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
Hasn't even I thought we were talking by the time
the season starts. You're talking right here right now.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
Well, I mean, you don't know what's going to happen
in camp. You think you know what's going to happen,
but you don't know.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
That is my projection. That is my point that by
the end of camp, how many guys are going to
be out of Walter Noll.

Speaker 4 (07:59):
In the third argument, the argument would still be possibly
if you had Dalvin Tomlinson, you had Darius Robinson. Dante
still says, look good, you have LJ. Collier or what
do they have in Justin Jones there, it's more than
one or two names of what I would put ahead
of Nolan.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
Right now, you're you're you're saying Darius Robinson didn't have uh,
Darius Robinson ahead of him. He didn't have Dalvin Tomlinson
on the team. He didn't have Kalais Campbell on the team.
Now he had some of those other guys. But those
other guys, I mean, I'm assuming Dante O.

Speaker 4 (08:31):
Jay Collier was coming off a year where he had
played one game.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
I mean again, I I'm not I'm not sitting here
saying Walter Nolan won't won't start going into the season
or something. But I don't. You're I'm looking at your
facial expression, which you can't see if you're just listening
to the audio. But Paul's facial expression is saying, are
you a stupid idiot? Of course he's gonna be the
best by the time which we get started.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
I'm not saying the best defensive line, but I will
say that if not for the injury, I was forecasting
Darius Robinson a starter last year with Justin Jones, and
so I'm just saying I put Walter Nolan the third
on the same plane. Is anyone else in that room.
I don't think he's markedly behind just because he's a
first year guy. Now is Dalvin Thomason going to be

(09:18):
a better zero technique no stackle, of course he is.
I do think Dalvin Thomlinson is probably your one surefire starter.
And then who's flanking him on either side? That is
the question.

Speaker 4 (09:28):
The difference of Robinson last year and Nolan this year
is the rest of the room is Last year, the
competition of Dante Stills was going into year two and
made a jump. Now is going into year three.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
LJ.

Speaker 4 (09:40):
Collier last year was coming off season where he had
played one game before having a season ending injury. He
now has more comfortability here and the Cardinalstrup felt strongly
about bringing him back. The difference is the other pieces
in that defensive line room. It's a higher caliber of
talent that Nolan is going to have to work his
way through the depth chart. That's not to say that's

(10:00):
not possible given the talent.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
Don't worry, We're going to get to the underground on
September third or whatever that Tuesday is, and Paul is
going to be doing his happy dance and throwing it
on our face that Walter Nolan is I can't.

Speaker 4 (10:12):
Even believe we've gone this long in the off season
without hearing about the ten players. Paul is predicting to
make the roster.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
No, the good news for your.

Speaker 4 (10:22):
Ten players, he's keeping his eye on.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
Unless I'm reminded of it next week, I will now remember.
So that's the good news for you guys. Listen, worry
about that. It's you know, it's By the way, Dalvin
Thomason did cite right away Walter Nolan's quickness in meeting
the media. Yes, that was the first thing I said.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
I don't doubt it.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
So he also said, quote, this scheme reminds me a
lot of Alabama, and he drew a comparison when it
comes to energy between Nick Saban and Jonathan Gannon and
how he cares about the players and wants to get
the most out of every single player, and when you
do that, it elevates the entire program. Someone then asked

(10:59):
him about Saban's ten versus jag and he said, no, no,
one's in the same class as Nick Saban when it
comes to temper. But I'm not sure what he means
by this scheme reminds me a lot of Alabama note
to self conducting, you know, a little iteam investigation into
what exactly he means by that. We'll have to investigate
that a little bit. By the way, when Jonathan Gannet.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
Alabama didn't make the playoffs this year, right, I'm assuming
no Alabama.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
Teams, So I thought, you're gonna like stir it up
or you know not me go ahead rub it into
the sec diehards over there. Yeah, that was quite a thing.
I wasn't there. Jonathan Gannon met the media and there
was some questions about Kyler Murray and I don't know,
it could have been you, Darren. Someone asked him, all right,
where is he improved since the end of last season
two now? And he gave a quick quote. And I'm

(11:49):
going to say, before I read this quote, do not
dismiss this answer from Jonathan Gannon as a as just
coach speak or a quick you know, when he said
about Kyler Murray, you can always increase your command of
the offense. You can always increase your command of the team.
Aren't those The first two areas that Kyler Murray needs

(12:11):
to improve as a quarterback his command of the offense
and when you say command of the offense, what do
you see from the defense? Where to go with the ball? When?
How can you get through your reads and your progressions?
And then the second part of that, your command of
the team leadership as a team captain and a franchise quarterback.

(12:32):
So I thought that that was interesting a little bit.
A little bit maybe it's you know, early June, and
I'm still reading a little too much into that, but
I thought that was interesting. And then for his part,
Kyler Murray had a press conference and he had some
substantive things to say. How about about getting out into

(12:53):
space This continued storyline here recently in the offseason, about
unscheduled plays, getting out of the pocket, making defenses pay
for flushing him out, and the level emphasis they're putting
into it right now, and talking about how him and
Drew have said, yeah, you know what, these scramble drills.
We have to be better, in the words of Kyler Murray,
Yet I have the ability to do it on the

(13:15):
level of a Josh Allen, of a Lamar Jackson. So
I thought that's interesting. Do you think that is going
to translate into a different look for the offense this year?
Do you think that will truly be organic or do
you think by design we're going to see a lot
more of that, Because there's been a lot of talk
about that a lot, and Kyler's brought it up himself

(13:36):
at times.

Speaker 4 (13:37):
My hesitancy to saying yes is this was a discussion
last offseason. I don't necessarily means I don't necessarily think
that means it won't be the case. I think it
should have just become very clear with changing of the
guard the last couple of years, We're not going to
see a lot of designed runs for Murray. It's going
to be an option for him, and that's there is

(14:00):
making sure he's prepared. That's what I've gathered from hearing
from the quarterback and offensive coordinator drow Petsying recently is
practicing these off schedule plays. So when those moments arise
in a rise in a game, the quarterback, the offensive line,
who's blocking, you know, your receivers, who are running routes.
Everybody is on the same page in terms of timing
and where you need to be so that you're not

(14:21):
running around like a chicken with your head cut off.
I would be surprised if we see a significant jump
in designed quarterback rum plays just because we haven't seen
that in the last couple of years. It doesn't really
seem like that's what's going to fit this style of offense,
especially when you've got such strong running backs in James
Connor and Trey Benson.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
Well.

Speaker 4 (14:39):
See, I do think it's interesting. I think it's important
that that has become an emphasis in practice, is so
that there is no scenario in which anybody feels like
they were not prepared for something in a game.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
And I'm not predicting more QB power like the old
Cam Newton. I'm not saying that's coming, but I will say, like,
if you look at Kyle Shanahan's offense, I'm always amazed
at at how often they get brock Purty on the move,
a lot of the roles and and so forth. Now
it is, but when you're studying other offenses and other

(15:12):
schemes and you're looking for other facets and you know
stuff you can put into your own scheme. For example,
Kyler mentioned more motion or he's asked about more motion.
What Trey McBride talked about a little extra sauce in it,
and he immediately extolled the virtues of more motion if
you're doing it well, gives you more reads, gives you
more tells in a defense. You know it can it

(15:35):
can make tougher, a lot tougher for defenders to get
leverage and you know, give a little more separation right
off the line of scrimmage. So it has peaked my
curiosity a little bit. Okay, how much more motion is
more motion? And what is that going to look like?
And then are you also going to get the quarterback
on the move? Not just receivers and tight ends on
the move, but the quarterback on the move a little

(15:57):
bit more? And so what is the potential now and
year three where you were larger, returned intact most of
your offensive weapons, so they have a good comprehension of
this offense. You're not risking mental air, especially with a
rookie receiver or second year receivers. No, everyone should have
the playbook down to this point. So now, okay, guess
what we're going to elevate the scheme itself.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
The thing that always make first of all, I'm going
to kind of a day. I'm gonna with with whole
judgment until I see it a little bit more. It's
easy to talk about right now, and then when you
want to put it in play against whoever you're putting
in a play with, and you know, are you comfortable
enough doing that? I'm always hesitanting, I'm I'm a I'm

(16:44):
not completely hesitant, but like I think, I think you
need to pick and choose the getting the quarterback on
the move and the rollout thing and the play action.
You can't do it all the time because you're you're
essentially cutting down half the field and I and even
that comes predictable if you do it enough, and I
think you need to be careful. I think it can

(17:05):
be done. I think it's important. Honestly, when we talk,
we hear them talking about the off schedule plays and
Kyler in space and moving around. I would like to
see them hit more of those, which I don't know
how much you can practice, but do you know, do
I want to see them put Kyler in on the
move more often? Sure? But I don't think it's the

(17:25):
panacea to fix everything, because again, you're you're cutting down
the field. I don't particularly want to see Kyler throwing
back across his body. If one or two of the
receivers when you're doing a rollout right isn't there, then
all of a sudden, okay, like what are we doing?
And I don't know how comfortable he's going to be
trying to run out of that when all the defenders
are flowing that way in the first place.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
That's just me well, and Kyler did mention to the
media that one of the big adjustments he may come
from the college game in the NFL and to this
day is that until the NFL, he always felt like
he was always in space. His athleticism was so elite
he could always create space for himself. But you know,
the great athletes in the NFL on the defensive side,
even the defensive front guys can run you down from

(18:08):
behind the angles the IQ out there, so you don't
have nearly as much space. And then to your point, Darren,
it is tough to practice, obviously, It's like trying to
practice contesta catches, the the off schedule stuff. And in fact,
Drew Petsing was on with Arizona Sports to start mandatory
mini camp and he's used this analogy before that he

(18:30):
likens it to fast break basketball. You sort of have
to play the game. It has to be organic. It's
hard to actually replicate in practice. But he did say
one of the determinations based on last year was they
left too many plays out there late in the down.
That was the verbic she used, late in the down,
meaning play might break down, Kyler might extend the play.

(18:53):
And they didn't hit often enough. They didn't make a
defense pay. You know, the best example all year was
weak to Marvin Harrison Junior's second touchdown where he ran
to the open space. Kyler hit him on the run
and then he took it from their sixty yards strike.
And at that point you're thinking, okay, even Kyler made
this point, we rarely saw that type of chunk play

(19:14):
the rest of the year.

Speaker 4 (19:15):
Well there was, what game was it?

Speaker 5 (19:17):
Now?

Speaker 4 (19:17):
It's I can imagine it at home where Murray rolled
right and threw across his body across the field and
found Trey McBride by himself on the left side of
the field for like thirty or forty yards. It's been done.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
See again the problem and I agree with pets and
Petsing had said the same thing last week when it
was when he did his press conference, and it's the
thing to me, is is like every second that ticks
by on a broken play is a second that gives
the office an advantage. The fact that you're you're buying

(19:50):
time and you still can't convert. That's frustrating. I understand
that you know you got the quarterback on the run,
and that's that makes it harder. I get all that,
and there's chances he's going to be times when he's
under pressure and he's running the wrong way. But still,
the longer that play is alive, the defense is at
a major disadvantage because now you're just scrambling all over

(20:13):
the place. And I agree, like that should happen more
often and in reality, and I think Petsing said this
last week to us, Kyler's one of those guys that
should really flourish in something like that, to be honest,
and you.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Know what, this is just an observation based on last year.
I don't have the film study to prove it. I
didn't go through all the analytics. But it's far from
just on Kyler. The receivers have to stay active. You
can't give up on the play. You have a quarterback
capable of extending a play up to twenty seconds if needed.
If you don't believe us, go watch the Raiders the

(20:50):
road game win at the Raiders where the two point
conversion lasted like twenty one seconds before he housed it
with his legs. So you got in that same game
against the Rams, Elijah Higgins had that sliding catch in
the back of the end zone. What did Kyler do?
He made like five guys miss and then So I
think a lot of it, honestly, is on the receivers
to stay alive, keep running, find open space. And there

(21:12):
are certain guys who are really good at that. Trey McBride,
you know, we had to show with Rob Frederckson. You know,
Travis kelcey might be the best in the league finding
the open spot in the zone coverage. You know, Zach
Ertz was really good, was really good for Jane Daniels
a year ago at doing that. So I think that's
something you know, experience obviously helps any receiver a tight
end in that regard. So I thought that was interesting.

(21:36):
Drew Petsen also saying about, you know, look, the trend
in the NFL isn't just the two high safeties and
all that, and the shell coverage. But a defense is
more apt to check more often. Just like an offense,
we'll check in and out of play. As a defense,
we'll check in and out of play. So there's that
cat and mouse game back and forth between the defensive
coordinator and the offensive coordinator. So I thought that was
all pretty interesting. And then in terms of physicality, because

(21:59):
you know Wolf is going to ask him about that,
he said, Look, you don't have you don't have to
run the ball to be physical. He said, I don't
believe that's an absolute. It's really more of an attitude
or a mentality of your entire team. James Connor is
just as physical catching the ball and running with it
as he is handing the ball and running with it.

Speaker 4 (22:17):
Absolutely, because Connor will run through a player. He's the
Boulders or he has set the tone for this offense
last year, which is why I would imagine that they're
not going to stray far from what worked for them
offensively with the running game and relying heavily on that.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
By the way, Kelvin Beacha met are really good. He said,
the locker room really understands at this point. Just in
his words, they understand how important this year is in
so many different levels. It's year three, it's a performance
based business. Playoffs are long overdue. And he said, we
had a we had dinner as a team the night

(22:53):
before mandatory mini camp, and he said, let's just say
there was a message of it gets to the point where,
guess what this has to occur as a team. No
longer can you say we don't have this piece or
that piece or missing this. He said, there's more than
enough to get this team to the postseason. So really
interesting to hear fourteen year veteran Calvin Beacham basically bottom

(23:15):
line it.

Speaker 4 (23:16):
Yeah, I'm you're gonna hear players say that every year.
To be fair is you're never gonna hear a player
what happens say, eh, you know, didn't really put a
lot of focus on this position. So it's okay, be
understandable if we don't hit the playoffs. But Beacham's right,
they kept the consistency a lot of those star players,
essentially the whole starting offense, because they believe in the

(23:36):
personnel they have, and they really put an effort into
this defense, especially in the front seven, and then in
the draft with some of the different defensive backs. The
time is now. You have put effort into the coaching staff.
You've put effort, you put money, you put capital into
the players. So Beacham's right, the time is now.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
I'd say Beach would probably if you had a powerpol
the most well rounded players slash people in the locker room,
Beach might be number one. So in an effort to,
you know, keep up with the Joneses, if you will.
And by the way, there's six right now in the
Cardinals roster. There are six guys with the last name Jones.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
I think it's not more or less than the Purge movies.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
Paul Well, I asked, say Jones. By the way, he didn't,
I don't. He kind of gave me a wry smile,
and I said, are the five other jones Is? Keeping
up with Jay Jones? And you you came and gave
me the smirk. Funny, funny guy, Okay, smart Alex. So
you know what. In other words, he's saying, move it along,
And that's exactly what we're doing right now. Danny will segue.

Speaker 4 (24:28):
To you getting cultured with Danny. It is not just
directed at Paul Am.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
I the deep uncultured philistine around here.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
Yes, he got me very excited.

Speaker 4 (24:36):
Now I am on social media and consume more at
pop culture than both of you combined.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
I think I'm being unfairly profiled. But go ahead, let's go.

Speaker 4 (24:46):
I have been told to not talk about this on
getting cultured, so I'm at least gonna bring it up
briefly without going into debt. Love Island is back.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
Paul, Okay, you know how I.

Speaker 4 (24:58):
Know that back for another summer.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
About an hour ago, I saw there was some content
I think from the Bears and two of their Yes,
the two of the younger players are talking about it
during one guy was piked up during stretching. Yeah, they
had supposedly had a phenomenal conversation about Love Island. I'm like, nope,
and I went right past it.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
One of the contestants went to Coronado sold down the street. Paul,
Yep yep.

Speaker 4 (25:19):
Learned that Darren sent me her yearbook picture. I've actually
never watched a full Love Island season live as it.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
Wait wait, wait, wait wait, I need to clarify something.
Darren had the yearbook picture because my son graduated with her,
and she asked about it, and I happened to have
the yearbook photo that because my son had asked for me.

Speaker 4 (25:40):
That is it.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
I did not know she was on the show. I
did not know this girl.

Speaker 4 (25:45):
Yes, Jesus sorry I left out some important details there. Anyway,
I haven't really watched a full season live before. However,
last season just took over social media, so I'm giving
it a shot. It is a commitment. It is like
I'm not it's six days a week. But what's impressive. Yes, well,
one of the days I don't watch because it's like
a round table of people, but five days new episodes.

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But what people love about it is how fast of
a turnaround it is. So Tuesday night's episode, we're going
to be seeing stuff from Monday. That's what people love
about Love Island. And I don't know how big of
an island Fiji is, but I do know that the
Love Island contestants are on Fiji, and so are there
Survivor fifty castaways who are currently filming Survivor fifty talk

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about completely different island TV shows to sign up for.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
It's the collab you've all been waiting for.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
I thought the.

Speaker 4 (26:37):
Crossover Love Island and Survivor.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
I thought NFL films Hard Knocks was good at turning
around shows. But that's pretty elite right there. But you
know all that it sounds like a lot of work
to keep up with everything you're keeping up with.

Speaker 4 (26:49):
Well, you know, instead of you having to watch, I
could just give you a breakdown every week on getting cultured.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
Yeah, I prefer that.

Speaker 4 (26:55):
Actually, Okay, great, you guys know I don't love talking
about them, but we have too. He left me no choice.
Aaron Rodgers, new Steelers quarterback, officially is married. So Mazeltov
to Aaron Rodgers. He was spotted wearing a wedding ring
and photos signing his contract and at practice at Mini
camp this week in Pittsburgh. He confirmed that he got

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married a couple of months ago in his presser and
then upon some research I conducted back in December and
of twenty twenty four, when Rogers was on Pat McAfee show,
he had dropped that he was in a relationship with
a woman named Brittany, So presumably it's the same woman.
So Aaron Rodgers is married, and that's that you've been
getting cold. You've got cultured, So you're welcome, really, okay,

(27:41):
Love Island and Aaron Rodgers, Paul more, can you.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
Ask for I had? I have some really good friends,
long term friends who cover the Packers, And definitely when
Aaron Rodgers was there and when he was dating and
I'm drawing a blank hunter named the actress's.

Speaker 4 (27:54):
Name shay Lee.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
No, no, the one before that. Oh, Olivia Munn, thank you, Elmo,
and uh, she showed up to a couple of games
and there was a couple of times where some things
were written and Olivia mun did not take too kindly
to it. And the stories that my buddies have between
getting into it with Levia mine are quite enjoyable.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Okay. And then there's Arizona resident, at least former Scott's
Stille resident, Danica Patrick. So all right, he finally settled
down and tied the knot, Oh sure did, just like
he finally showed up to Steelers camp.

Speaker 4 (28:27):
Well, maybe he was honeymooning. Maybe that's why he couldn't.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
Maybe it's possible the wedding cake was made of bark.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
Can I say this though? The reason he showed up
finally for mandatory mini camp because if he didn't, he
would seriously risk losing the entire team Before he even
showed up.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
This is true.

Speaker 4 (28:46):
Do care about that?

Speaker 2 (28:47):
Right? I mean? And honestly, we've seen this with a
pair of quarterbacks, Cardinals quarterbacks in the past, both drafted
number ten. Overall, you can't lead if no one's following,
and you risk losing all your followers, meaning the rest
of the locker room, if you don't at least show
up a mandatory mini camp, because then everyone else is

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busting their tail and making the commitment and saying, wait
a minute, where's our franchise? QB.

Speaker 4 (29:12):
It's pretty deep. You can't lead if nobody's following.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
Yeah, and so we'll see how many followers. Is Cam
Heyward on board yet? With Aaron Rodgers not Terry Bradshaw.

Speaker 4 (29:24):
So if he's in a teammate, do you still send
him a wedding gift?

Speaker 2 (29:26):
Do you think no?

Speaker 3 (29:28):
No, he got married a couple months ago. Didn't you
say yes? Yeah? So like no, time is passed? Time
is passed, by the.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
Way, should we? I don't want to usurp winning behavior?
But do you want to go with the Miles Garrett
sound bite? Right here?

Speaker 3 (29:42):
Since we can talk, we can talk, we can talk
about Aaron Rodgers and kind of fold it all together.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Because you talk about winning the off season. Marv, you're
number two in the power pole when it comes to
the big arms, right, big big arms. Do you see
Miles Garrett going sleeveless with the media, and then he
was asked by one of the local media members, Geez, Miles,
what do you think about Aaron Rodgers coming to the division?

Speaker 3 (30:06):
What I think about it. I think it's a good
opportunity to put him in the graveyard. Okay, first of all,
that graveyard. The all I can think of is that
tiny headstone for Kyler.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
Which that is? That is? That is good recall, You're right,
and the.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
Tiny heads some fort and as a quick recall, like
Miles Garrett, for at least one Halloween did in his
front yard had like a graveyard for all these quarterbacks
he sacked, he had like an extra tiny gravestone for Kyler. Now,
to be fair, they were one time college teammates at
Texas A and m and Kyler. Kyler gave him crap

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for doing it, and Miles Garrett laughed.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
And by the way, Kyler says he is not scared
of Kalais Campbell. Just for the record, he said that
how big.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
Did he say? Kais was what was the word gentishh got.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
By the way, there's two facets of that sound bite.
There's an actual quote which looks great in print, but
then there's the guy sneezing right in the middle.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
So think about it. I think it's a good opportunity
to put him in the graveyard. Look, when you got
a sneeze, you not.

Speaker 4 (31:14):
I have no critique there because what is the guy?
What is he going to do if he has to sneeze?

Speaker 3 (31:18):
You realize your head.

Speaker 4 (31:20):
I held, of all the times you've been on camera,
has that never been a fear of yours that you're
gonna have to sneeze or cough? Because it has absolutely
been an intrusive thought of mine.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
You know, it is amazing all the airtime, over all
the year. Knock on wood. I don't think no such
thing as Jinx's. I did work with a guy in
morning radio who had who was prone to sneezing quite
a bit live on the air.

Speaker 3 (31:41):
I don't know there's allergic to calvic.

Speaker 4 (31:43):
I don't know what it makes you human.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
He was sitting next to Wolfe. I was in an
adjacent booth, thank goodness. So I don't know that's a
good question.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
He calls in an adjacent booth, but we just like
to call it the clean room, which is why Polly
was in there.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
Last week on the podcast, I was in the middle
of a point and I was like, oh my god,
I have to cough so bad. And I think if
you go back and listen, and my voice started, I
started losing the timber in my voice because I'm like, map,
I got a cough.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
Well, there's a Dave Paschie tells a famous story. In fact,
it was in the Cardinal's press box at halftime. Dave
was eating popcorn and Marv Albert, this is way back
in the day. Marv Albert was like, Dave, what are
you doing? Thou shalt not eat anything of a kernel
or peanuts or anything that is, you know, as is
prone to getting lodged in your throat at some point
after halftime. But you know, Dave temp's fade all the time,

(32:38):
so he lives dangerously with that one right there by
the way. Before we move on from Kyler Murray, would
you make of his comments about Jacoby Brissett, who is
not just shall we say, content to be a backup?

Speaker 3 (32:53):
Did Jacoby Brissette ever play with Joe Flacco.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
Did they together?

Speaker 3 (32:59):
I don't know, but that's what I thought of, was
what we were talking about with Joe Flackel last week.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Oh yeah, the comments there, Yeah, okay.

Speaker 4 (33:05):
Yeah, yes, no, yeah, it wasn't the same question of
if if Murray is going to mentor in some facet,
Jacoba Brissette.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
Right other way around, would mentor Murray.

Speaker 4 (33:18):
I get, they're just so close in eight like I
are they? I think they are pretty close in age.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
Jacoby Brissett, Well, he's in year ten, so I think
he's thirty two, maybe even thirty four, to be honest
with you, thirty two, thirty two.

Speaker 4 (33:31):
Okay, I'm thinking like a Joe Flacco. And right, it's different.
But the question was phrased to Murray about bringing in
a veteran, experienced quarterback and what he's been able to
pick from Brissette's brain so far. And I liked Murray's answer.
It was saying Burssett doesn't show up with the mindset

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every day that he's competing to be the backup, he's
competing to play in the NFL, right, and this he said,
and Murray said he respects that.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Yeah, And then Kyler finished, Because I'm looking at the
quote right now. You can feel that energy. That was
the quote. He's not trying to be a backup. I
respect that. He's definitely pushed me. He comes to work
every day like he's the starter and you can feel
that energy.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
By the way, quick question, if Kyler Murray is turning
twenty eight on whatever it is, August seventh or whatever
his birthday is, at what point do we like he
needs to have an experience backup. He needs to have
an experience backup. Isn't he got all the experience? I'm like,
what point are we saying? We never were saying about
Kurt Warner, where's his experience?

Speaker 4 (34:37):
I don't think anyone ever said he needed one.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
I think people were saying that, especially after Cole left.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
Yeah, in his younger days, you know, where's the guy? Yeah,
the experience got a mentor him.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
Now, don't get me wrong, I would love to be
twenty eight and be wondering.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
About I would say, though this is a new dynamic
for Kyler Murray if he views Jacoby Brissett really pushing
him for the starting job. I'm not saying that's happening,
But if Kyler Murray views a guy who has started
over fifty games in this league. Off the top of
my head, I think he started fifty three games because
we just interviewed him last week. I was looking at

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some of his stats. He started the first five games
last year, was replaced by Drake May. Now, the Patriots
problems went way beyond Jacoby Brissett. I mean, his protection
was horrendous, some of the worst in the league. They
probably had the worst weapons in the league. It was awful.
They fired the coaching staff, the scheme was abysmal, so

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he left. But he's been a starting quarterback about half
his ten year career. And if Kyler feels like this
guy is pushing me, and I've never felt this before
in the NFL, could this be a catalyst elevate Kyler's game.
If we get to the bye week and Kyler's have
an MVP season just like he did the first half
of twenty twenty one, are we all going to look

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around and go, WHOA, Maybe it's the Jacobe Brissett effect.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
We could what if? What if the other thing happens?

Speaker 2 (36:05):
Kyler picks up where he left off last year and
throwing a lot of interceptions and then all of a sudden,
you have a backup quarterback who has a historically low
interception rate. Is is that what you're saying, Darren, is
that the thought bubble in your head?

Speaker 3 (36:17):
Well, not in my head, it would be above my head.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
But sh the lamp right? Is that what I mean?

Speaker 3 (36:23):
I think? I think a competition.

Speaker 4 (36:26):
Competition is good at every position. You don't ever want
to have to go to your backup quarterback, but in
the chance that you do, you want to make sure
it's a backup quarterback who can lessen the drop off
between the starter and the backup. And that's not to
say that Brissett the expectation is for him to go
out and play the way that Murray plays and have
that similar skill set. No, it's a matter of can

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you go out there, can you have command? Can you
control this offense? Can you be accurate and secure the
ball and move the chains?

Speaker 3 (36:54):
It's it's going to be Look, it's going to be
a fascinating season. The bottom line is we all know
that the spotlight which is always on Kyler, it feels
like it's on there a little hotter right now, and
in part because he's going into year seven and in
part because look, this is going to be the best
team they've had since twenty twenty one.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Probably yep, definitely.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
So well, okay, well Beach said, like, what are the excuses?

Speaker 2 (37:18):
Now, So you've been a top five run team each
of the last two years, top two in yards per caring.
Let's say you pick up where you left off in
the run game. Andrey Benson, let's just say he really
formulates a one to two punch. Okay, Now, the defense
is above average, top half of the league. Defensive front
is getting after it. You're holding teams under twenty points

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a game. The defense has been fixed, and at times
it's getting you the ball more interceptions because you have
better pass rush. By the way, Starling Thomas told us
in the Big Red Rage, he can already sense a
better pass rush. The secondary can already feels that vibe
that quarterbacks are going to have less time to throw.

(38:01):
Very interesting. So now, all of a sudden, wait a minute,
why are the Cardinals not winning games or losing close games?
If if, and I said, if it's because of what
happened after the bye last year, untimely interceptions, then guess what,
There's no doubt in my mind Jonathan Ganna is going
to hold everyone accountable, including the guy playing quarterback throwing

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the interceptions.

Speaker 4 (38:23):
Why wouldn't he You should right like hold those accountable.
That's absolutely what should be happening. And ball security was
a problem last year. There was not a single game
in twenty twenty four in which the ball did not
hit the ground or get intercepted. Now, just because the
ball was fumble doesn't mean the Cardinals lost possession. However,

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they did not go a single game where they didn't
log a fumble or an interception. You have to secure
the ball if you're going to have all these weapons
on offense, if you're going to have a defense that's
going to force teams to go three and out and
try and keep your quarterback on the field. You can't
go three and out. You're gonna have to keep the ball.
You're gonna have to keep his ash and be safe
with it and put points on the board.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
And that's my segue to Trey McBride real quick, because
three and out, okay, you need another third down target
beyond Trey McBride. It's got to happen, at least to
me with Marvin Arrison Junior. How does he elevate. How
does he really help out his quarterback in year two?
Forget the stats, just be a go to guy in
third down. That's where everyone will benefit. That's where this
offense gets better. That's where they're gonna you know, move

(39:27):
the ball, get into the end zone, control the clock,
all the above. There needs to be another third down
option beyond eighty five.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
I want to back up and say, so, are you like,
obviously you're Marvin would do stuff on other downs, but
you're like, as long as he becomes a third down threat,
that's good enough to me.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
That's the first priority. It really is. Yeah, that would
be the first and foremost thing I'd like to see
out of him in year two. Be a really reliable target.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
I don't disagree with that, but I would also I
would like to see you just up the overall performance
of how he does because, to be honest, if he
does better on the other downs, maybe you don't have
as many third down Yeah. Okay, I see what you're saying.
I do. I really do see what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
And there's no doubt he put on the muscles, I
would presume because he wants to get better at contested catches.
He needs to get better at contested catches, and you
need to have the ability like get off me, right,
you know, and just you know, there's gotta be a
little fits in there, get yourself between the dB and
the football.

Speaker 4 (40:26):
Is now a good time to bring up your flexing stories?

Speaker 3 (40:28):
Yeah, let's do it? Or is that winning behavior?

Speaker 2 (40:32):
Yeah? You know what, that'll be our segue here, let's
just do it. Go ahead. You know it is mentally
traumatizing me still, so I'm excited, But first we have
to play the intro. Can you display winning behavior? You
have to consistently display winning behavior. That's winning behavior.

Speaker 6 (40:51):
You've got to define what winning behavior is and hold
people to that standard.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
Yes, so there was a moundside fitness course. I was
because you know, I live in the gym and I
go in to wash my hands. Ding right, Dan, you
go in to wash your hands after what of course
you do? And I walk in and let's just say,
there's a guy in the vets in the eighteen to
thirty four demo closer to eighteen, and there's PDAs and

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there's PDFs. I'm not talking about documents. Public display of flexing.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
That's illegal and usually in the gyms right.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
He's got a tight tanked up on and he's flexing
in the mirror and I'm trying to avoid it. Eyes down, Calvic,
just go over, wash your hands, Wash your hands.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
He's taking selfies as well.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
Maybe you won't be there. Maybe when you when you
done washing your hands and you reach for the paper towel. No,
he's got a shirt off, okay, and he's got his
shirt off, and now he's really flexing like he's mister Universe,
except you anything but mister universe. And what is wrong
with the young people these days? What is going on?

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Can you just not wait till you get home? Shouldn't
that be something? That privacy of your own mirror?

Speaker 3 (42:00):
What what is less winning behavior? Flexing in the mirror.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
And at a public gym, a.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
Public gym, or scrolling your phone while you're at the urinal.

Speaker 4 (42:13):
I'm gonna tap out of this conversation. Daily don't have
a lot to Addam, don't come to me for an
answer here, Ball Darry just took us off the rail.

Speaker 3 (42:26):
What else we got?

Speaker 2 (42:27):
What else do we have here? That's a quick segue.
In other news, we have a local news co anchor,
Olivia Something, who was doing a three hour morning newscast.

Speaker 3 (42:39):
I totally threw him for a loop.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
While in labor. It says here her water broke and
she was still broadcasting. Okay, the quote is what makes
that thing it is? Go ahead, read the quote. Do
you have it in front of you.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
I'm happy to be here and I'll stay on the
desk for as long as I possibly can. But if
I disappear, that's what's going on. Now, let me I
would I I'd like to bring this up. I was
talking to a co worker yesterday.

Speaker 6 (43:04):
Is that not the ultimate TMI, by the way, And
we were talking about a something that was happening in
my life and I was when it was an important
life event what I was talking about, and I was saying,
but I'm hoping it doesn't get scheduled when there's a
game because I don't want to miss a game, and
this person was giving me crap because it's like, if

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you miss a game for an important life event whatever.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
And now obviously I'm not, I mean, not everybody does it.

Speaker 4 (43:33):
I'm hesitant to mark this as winning behavior because if
it really was Olivia's choice and she was fine, that's okay,
But this could open up a can of worms to
a much larger conversation.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
About why it's making her do that.

Speaker 4 (43:46):
I'm just saying, of women working up until the very
last minute they can and then coming back very shortly
after giving birth, it.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
Just doesn't feel right to you.

Speaker 4 (43:58):
No, if she's in labor, why wouldn't somebody take her
off air and say, you know what, you have more
important things going on. We will find a way to
work around this broadcast.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
I just I find it hard to believe in today's
day and age that there would be a boss that
said you have to be doing this, Darren.

Speaker 4 (44:17):
Just no, no, no, just more so the feeling of
you could be replaced or you know, something along those lines.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
Darren, You've never worked in the trenches of local news.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
I have not. Well, it's convey news, cutthrow newspaper.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
So in all my years, not being qualified to talk
about something that has never stopped me before until now.
I'm not going to comment on that story. I'm just
going to move it along to so winning behavior Derrick Henry.
If he wins his way to two thousand rushing yards,
he ends up in an Adam Sandler movie. I saw
headlines about this. I didn't see any quite any details
really is.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
I actually thought that Danny might steal this for getting cultured.

Speaker 4 (44:54):
I haven't seen this.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
Oh so like apparently Derrick Henry was on Dan Patrick
and and Derrick Henry was apparently talking about how much
he loved Adam Sandler and his movies. And Dan Patrick
is an Adam Sandler guy. He's been in a handful
of his movies. True, And apparently Dan Patrick said, I
will talk to Adam and if you get two thousand
yards again, I'll make sure he puts you in a movie.

(45:15):
And then I think the next day or the day after,
Adam Sandler came on Dan Patrick and said, yes, absolutely,
I'll do that. Now, the chances of Derrick Henry getting
two thousand yards again are almost infinitesimal. If you look
at the drop off of two thousand yard seasons, it's
you don't even get to fifteen hundred the next year.
I think we talked about that last week.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
Well, look, I'm just gonna call my shot right now.
I've never seen Derrick Henry in front of a camera acting,
although he has a few couple of commercials.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
Right Oh, he was pretty good in the State farm commercial.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
I think he'll be nowhere near Anthony Edwards, the Minnesota
Tea Wolf star. He played sort of the villain, trash talking.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
Oh yeah, that was he was really good.

Speaker 4 (45:56):
What was that movie called?

Speaker 2 (45:58):
He was excellent in that movie. I thought he was
really good.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
Actually the US have played the main character who's also
an NBA player, Yes, way better. Yeah, but yeah, Anthony
Edwards was perfect.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
And you know what, I'm gonna save the best for
last because I've been here and seen this, and every
great business fills a need, and there's most definitely a
need mini Ka, yes, very shrewd here. She is starting
a Scared Straight style program where pro athletes are going
to visit high schools across America and make parents, not

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the kids, make the parents realize that their kids have
no chance at earning a living and sports.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
To be fair, she just threw this out on social media,
but I, as somebody who's been through it.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
Like it's needed.

Speaker 3 (46:43):
Oh my god, is it needed.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
I can't tell you how many Little league games, softball games.
I've sat there in the bleachers polyparental unit and all
these parents are getting worked up because their kid doesn't
resemble a major league All Star, and I'm like, hey, guys.
I look at me, and I just talked to the dads.
Look at me right now. Three hours ago, I was

(47:05):
in an NFL locker room, and I can just tell
you there are no pro athletes on this field. Just
enjoy the game and enjoy your kids' athletic career as
long as it lasts.

Speaker 3 (47:14):
You want to know where I felt like I've done.
Some of the best parenting I've ever done was as
my kids are getting older, and I kept it very
real and I didn't even have to do about being pros.
I mean, my kids struggled to get much playing time
in high school. But my favorite part was my youngest son,
who actually made the var played basketball four years at Corona.

(47:37):
Didn't play much, but he made the teams in part
because he was a good team guy and understood, like, Okay,
I'm going to be at the end of the bench.
I got to do my role and not whining about
playing time. And he became a coach, and I forget
why I came up, but we were sitting there kind
of talking about players, and he was coaching last year
or whatever, and somehow I came up about him possibly

(48:02):
ever making the the Corona rosters. When my older son
was playing. My older son did not make varsity. The
Corona's teams were stronger when my older son was playing.
And uh, and my my youngest I said, you're probably
gonna sit there and say you would have made the
teams that Alec didn't. And my youngest son looked at me,

(48:22):
goes made the teams when Alex was playing. He goes,
I shouldn't have even made the teams when I was playing.
And I'm like, okay, it's good. I made sure that
he understood Yep the whole time.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
Doca reality in that one. All right, I'll add lib
another winning behavior. Walter Nolan the third, according to Jonathan Gannon,
was employing what the nutritionists told him, and he was
sort of eyeballing whether he had a handful worth of broccoli. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:48):
So, although I'm gonna say, I'm not ultra familiar with
all that stuff, but I believe that when they talk
about fistful of food, it's usually the protein. It's not
the it's not the vegetable. Usually.

Speaker 4 (49:01):
I believe that's wrong. I believe protein is usually like
the palm of your hands, and then the fist is
for vegetables.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
So you're just going to over eat.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
Really, even if you're three ten, you can't, you know,
let it rip. You can't go in there and just
pile it on, you know.

Speaker 4 (49:18):
Yes, what usually it is the palm of your hand
is a serving of protein and then the vegetables behavior.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
That's what you want to hear from. Wellokie.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
So that was the second time I've heard broccoli brought
up in two days. The other one was Ron Wolfley, who,
to his credit, admitted he had recently put on some
weight and he had to lose some weight, and so
you know what his go to. Everyone has their go
to on cheat day, but you know what Wolve's go
to is when he's dieting cottage cheese. Right there, he
lost me a cottage cheese.

Speaker 4 (49:49):
There's a ton of.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
Protein, cota che extra everything.

Speaker 4 (49:54):
So I like blueberries and made a little money. But yeah,
if you don't have something else.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
You want to save. Well, where he put into everything.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Here's where it gets worse, because it can always get worse.
Wolf puts raw broccoli on his cottage cheese and then
adds hot sauce.

Speaker 4 (50:10):
That's really gross.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
And at that point, at that point, I skipped lunch
because the thought of the cottage cheese with raw Broccolian.

Speaker 4 (50:18):
Maybe maybe, as long as I'm not the one who
loses when we keep track of all the other teams
this year, whoever comes and loss us to eat a
bowl of Wolf's concoction?

Speaker 3 (50:26):
Do you eat yogurt?

Speaker 2 (50:27):
Actually? Is Wolf related to this news anchor Olivia? You know?
Maybe he had one of those weird uh, you know,
cravings that pregnant women have, you know, because that's what
cottage cheese with broccoli and hot sauce sounds like.

Speaker 4 (50:38):
How he even thought of that common nation the first time?

Speaker 3 (50:42):
Well, well, knowing Wolf, it's like, I know, I have
to eat the cottage cheese I need. I'm gonna put
it all together. And if I just covered tastes like that.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
Maybe well when he hit two seventy plus and that
was that? Wasn't that that long ago? When he hit
two seventy, plush, Apparently he lost all that weight to
get down to two thirty. He was captain broccoli, just
grilled broccoli with basically a little something on it, olive
oil or something.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
I lost all my weight. I had broccoli every day,
and I had tomato suit most days.

Speaker 4 (51:14):
Broccoli, That's the key.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
Okay, So there you go your broccoli update desk.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
Do you eat yogurt? Paul?

Speaker 2 (51:20):
Absolutely not?

Speaker 3 (51:20):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (51:21):
Are you weird with textures? I can be weird about textures.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
You don't like Gary Garry, Uharry, Jerry doesn't like me.
Let's just put it that way. We all like and
here's a segue. We all like Dennis Gardak, So yes,
here's the segue. The Barbarian himself, guard Deck the Barbarian
one of the few Wolfly nicknames that actually players embraced.
Guard Deck the Barbarian and uh for every I mean

(51:47):
not only a great dude, great player on special teams,
I mean one of the great all time flashes as
a position player, that twenty twenty season where we had
seven sacks and seven TFLs and nine.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
Four snaps and nobody saw it live.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
Yes, and that was ingrained in my brain, right, you
know when he came in for Chandler Jones in an
empty MetLife stadium against the Jets, all that, and he
had two sacks out of nowhere. Even Cliff Kingsbury was
just like stupefied, like wait, what what just happened? Did
Gardick just go off? He was unbelievable in the community
as well. I mean his time as a Cardinal. You

(52:22):
can count on one hand how many times there was
a community event and Gardek wasn't there.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
This is true. It was remarkables fantastic. You could argue
that he might have as big of a the impact
that he had on the football team, you could argue
that he had a greater impact on the community. He
did that much of it.

Speaker 4 (52:37):
He really cared. It wasn't just showing up because a
lot of players were showing up. There were times he
was maybe the only one doing some on his own.
He really cared about the community.

Speaker 3 (52:46):
Here, okay, quick power poll of Cardinals linebackers that were
brought in and tried to move inside and then eventually
had to be moved outside because that's where they should
have been the whole time. No Son Reddick, Star De Deck,
Isaiah Simmons, Vin Collins.

Speaker 5 (53:03):
Isaiah Isaiah Uh yeah, Isaiah wasn't even He still doesn't
have a position that you can't even see.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
He doesn't have a position.

Speaker 3 (53:15):
He's on the Packers. He's coming to Phoenix.

Speaker 4 (53:17):
Revenge game. Is that a yeah? Okay, big revenge game.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
Special teams you know, bring bring Guardick back, because Isaiah
really will be here.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
He's coming with Jacksonville.

Speaker 4 (53:29):
You do have to respect the hustle and the hard work.
For Guardak, who was on special teams, took that very seriously.
He loved special teams because to Guardack that was true football.
That was about as physical as you could be on
a football field, and he loved that. And to have
worked his way up to a main piece of the
defense at a time in Arizona, I mean just impressive,
the work, ethic and and just a good dude.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
I just realized, we're going to see all four of
those guys.

Speaker 4 (53:54):
What about Marco Wilson.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
We can get to him in a minute. Uh. We
We got Zavin Collins here, and then Tampa and Hassan
Reddick and Jacksonville and Dennis Gardek and Green Bay and
Isaiah Simmons. We are and the Cardinals are playing Bengals
and Marco Wilson and you of course saw what he
did and then deleted on ig the other day, correct
that he saw it.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
That's why I gave you the look.

Speaker 4 (54:18):
I see it before it was deleted. I've seen some tweets,
but I don't think I saw something somebody.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
Put out a video of I'm not going to get
too deep into it, but somebody put out a video
or Max Mountain not making a play last year or something,
and somebody said what did he do wrong? Or something?
And Marco Wilson put like six answers on Instagram and
all of them on Twitter, and then he he deleted them,
but all the the the Cardinals fans found them and

(54:46):
screenshot at him and then went after him.

Speaker 4 (54:48):
Is that why? Maybe Tuesday afternoon, Max Mountain just tweeted
a question mark and that was it. The investigative journalism
in real time here on Cardinals Underground.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
Ye there you go. Okay, well, guess what that'll wrap up? It?
Team investigations.

Speaker 4 (55:03):
And also, speaking of Jacksonville, there's a chance we see
more than one two way player this season. Max Meltain's
brother Bo has been a wide receiver in Green Bay
was supposedly going through some cornerback drills. Maybe they're trying
to find a replacement for Gyr Alexander. Interesting, could we
see a two way player in bow Melntain with the

(55:24):
backund I did.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
Not see that. That is interesting? Okay, all right? And
jay R Alexander, how many hits have you had in
the mail bag so far? How many people actually, no,
real surprising people haven't lost their mind.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
About Maybe they've realized that that's not who Monty goes
and signs. Is a guy that's played eight games in
two years.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
Right right exactly, and appointed don't forget appointing himself team
captain on the road in his hometown of Charlotte, and
then went out there on his own volition for the
coin toss, screwed it up and they got suspended.

Speaker 3 (55:51):
That's right. I forgot about that.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
That's one of the Alzheimer's story right now. That's most
definitely not Winny behavior, you know. Okay, all right, that'll
do it. I think we've done our damage this year
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