November 21, 2025 • 43 mins
On this episode of Chargers Weekly, Bolts radio play-by-play announcer Matt “Money” Smith and former Chargers safety Jahleel Addae recap the latest news involving LA and the entire NFL. Listen to the hosts evaluating the Bolts in all three phases of the game against the Jacksonville Jaguars, providing inside perspective on how to regroup and recover in the team’s bye week, and predicting how the team will prepare to face the Raiders at home in Week 13. Presented by Splitero.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
In late fifteen ten touched up such.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Welcome to Chargers Weekly presented by Splittero with Jaliel a
Die Today Matt Muney Smith here. For those of you
not watching but listening to the Auto Component, you will
not hear Chris Harry. He earned a buye as well,
visiting with his family on the Eastern Seaboard up there
in Charleston. I'll probably be out next week as I'll
be in the Midwest visiting my folks for Thanksgiving. So
(00:32):
I think it's going to be Chris and maybe Jaliel
as well, but Julie, I think, Look, we're gonna look back.
We're going to talk about what was the situation in Jacksonville,
but also important to look forward. And I'd love to
just start with this. As you played a number of years,
I would assume you had early buys, you had you know,
those perfect week eight byes, and you probably had late buys.
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What is a bye week for a player? What goes
into it? Do you look forward to it? I'm not
saying you overlook an opponent, but just kind of especially
when you have one this late in the year, going
into week twelve, when you started early with that Hall
of Fame game. Did it look like a team that
was in desperate need of a bye week?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
The first thing you know, we did usually was when
the schedule came out, we would look to see when
is our bye week?
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Right, hoping that it wasn't early.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
In the season and that you can get one mid
mid season closer towards the end, because your body's banged up, right,
and it's a hall. It's a hall mentally, it's a
hall physically. People don't understand what these players go through
day in and day out, and it's a true grind,
right and rightfully so. And this is why they get
paid the big bucks and their professional athletes, and we
(01:37):
expect them to be professionals in the respected space. But
when you look at the bye week, now, you just
hit it on the head money. This team looked like
they needed to buy right. The way they came out
and they played, they were flat. Jacksonville brought it to
them on all three phases, out physical them, outschemed them
top to bottom. So when you look at it and
you say, okay, what goes into a bias? Okay, first
(01:57):
of all, we're going to go visit family, right, a reset?
Where to get healthy. Players who aren't banged up don't
get to leave. They have to obviously stay back and
get treatment, reset your mind, refresh your mind.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
But also you're always you're always.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
In the mindset of being a professional player and winning
a game an advantage. So you're looking forward to, you know,
two weeks and seeing the opponents that you're playing in
your home, and you're studying film as well while you're
taking a break. But you're definitely getting away from ball
for a few days and allowing it to be fresh
again once you get back.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
You said it.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
When I said it, I got accused of making excuses,
and you know, people wanted heads on a platter and
people to be fired and all that stuff. When I
did my Instagram on Sunday night after we got home
and I used the word flat, I said, look every
that there wasn't a single position group that played well.
So share with the people listening and with me. You know,
(02:49):
what does it mean to come out flat? How does
a team come out flat? What is it that leads
to that.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Well, they just had a massive win right on Monday,
I'll excuse me. On Sunday night foot ball against the Steelers,
and that can carry over sometimes for good or bad, right,
and it's on the leaders of the team to be like, hey, yes,
that was a big win on national TV against a
team that is a respective team that's supposed to make
the playoffs and go far.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
But we can't let them.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
We can't let that victory allow us to go way
to Florida, right in North Florida and come out flat.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
And flat means listen.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
It could be lack of preparation mentally physically, thinking that, hey,
we're going to Jacksonville. We just whooped up on the
Steelers and we're going to Jacksonville. Who's a Travis hunterless team.
Trevor Lawrence isn't playing his best ball, and it's the Jaguars, right,
Typically it's Jaguars.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Look at the jack Oh, it could be a stat game.
This is in the sane Jaguars, right.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
And when you say how they come out flat, they
didn't play with urgency, they didn't play with any physicality.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
The coaches got out schemed, right, and it's just is
what it is.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
When you watch the brand of football that the Chargers
played on Sunday, that's the one word that you can say,
not Herbert didn't play well, the water.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Boys didn't play well. Nobody played well.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
I don't even know if they're equipment staff packed the
right equipment, right, It's I'm joking, but it's just what
it was. It was an all around loss and it
was a total team loss. And you're right, and you're
right money. I mean, this is media and obviously we
pull for the Chargers and we want the Charges to win,
but when they put out a performance like that, we
also have to be real and be realist about what
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we've seen on TV.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Yeah, you know, I'll tell you that you mentioned Justin's
it's his worst game as a Charger. I mean, that's
ultimately what we're talking about. He's had multiple interception games,
he's had low yardage games, He's been on the wrong
side of a forty five nothing, you know, shut out
at the hands of the Patriots and Cam Newton. But
(04:41):
I kept saying it, like I think when you marry expectations,
which players were available, who the opponent was, I think
this is probably the worst performance of you know, the
the Justin Herbert era. You're talking about eighty one yards
passing and an interception and you go to the bench.
He's never done that before, unless it's been for the
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opposite you know, where they've been blown a team out.
You want to get him a little bit of rest.
I think it's also important to point out that it's
not all on him. Guy got absolutely creamed back there repeatedly.
So I think it's understandable that you know you're you're
maybe going to have a bad game or sale a
couple throws we saw with Aaron Rodgers, right. I mentioned
(05:23):
this in that in that instagram I did, I you know,
just kind of in the moment because it popped into
my head. I said, it's almost the mirror image of
the Steelers game, where the defense just had all the
answers pressured the heck out of the quarterback. Running game
couldn't go in, and therefore the passing game couldn't get going,
and ultimately the defense wore down and you get gashed
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in the running game. I mean, it just looked like
they were the Steelers from Sunday Night and the Jags
were the Chargers from that Sunday Night game.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
And that's the crazy part because you talk about the
Steelers and that's an organization who's historically known to be
physic and the Chargers out physical them. And then you
went to Jacksonville, who they're an organization who really doesn't
have an identity, right, And we couldn't stop the run.
And when you can't stop the run, the offense has
the playbook at their disposal, right, So if you can't
stop the run, we have a two shell. And then
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now we're trying to stop the run with the two
shell that's not working. Then we're bringing a safety in
the box to create an eight man box so we
can fit the run better.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
That wasn't working. So it was like the defense.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Also, you talk about Herbert, that was the worst performance
that we've seen from a jesse Miners defense. Right, for
so long, they played such good ball, right, the last
three weeks they played such good ball.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
And then you talk about Herbert.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
And Herbert's been under the rest all season long, right,
And he's been under the rest all season long, but
he's been able to get over the hump and he's
been able to get through that and still come out
with a superman performance.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Right, So this is.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
What it looks like when he doesn't have a superman
performance and he's not perfect, right, And so many times
we're used to him getting the side of that funt,
no matter that the offensive line being hurt, no matter
how many times it's being pressured rolling to the left
and throwing the dart for to Keenan Allen are escaping
the pocket.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
And this Sunday, last Sunday, he was just not able
to do that.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
And I think it's it's such a great point, Jalil, right,
because that's what we're used to. We're used to, Oh,
you're you're on your sixth and seventh tackle. Sorry, Justin's
got us. You're you're down to Ronde Gadsten. No problem,
Justin's got us. You don't have Naji Harris, Amari and
Hampton nor Hassan Haskins. Don't worry about it. Justin's got us.
(07:29):
And in this particular one, it just didn't happen. And
I think that's kind of what I tried to suggest,
is let's not forget the team is seven and four.
They are down arguably the best bookend tackles in the game.
They are down. They're starting three running backs, you know,
their stud first rounder who was just starting to get
(07:51):
going and looking like one of the five best backs
in the league. In that Giants game, in the first
half of the Commander's game. And then they're down Nashi,
who was pulling, you know, was ripping five yards of carry,
and they're Downissan Haskins, who's their best pass protection back.
It's just, you know, it's such a great point, like
we just assume that he's going to overcome all of that,
(08:11):
and there's some sort of fairy dust that sprinkled on it,
and you somehow stay competitive and try to eke something out.
And this just happens to be the same guy that
handed Jesse Minner his worst performance last year and Liam
Cohen when the Bucks came to town and Bucky Irving
and Rashad White ran for over two hundred yards on
seven yards per carry, and it happened again. And ultimately
(08:32):
I think that's what happened to that defense is Traves
etn and beaise On dude just got going, man, and
they had no answers, and they kept running the same
play over and over again.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
If it's not broke, don't fix it, right, And that's
what they did.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
And then we just a heartback on Herbert and a
lot of times if he is in a funk right,
the defense bails him out.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
And the defense gets.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
It through it now, so they get the turnal that
we need and then that allows Justin to get into
his groove and allows the offense of getting into his
groove and on. So they just neither side of the
ball was able to get into a groove. It just
felt like and Herbert, i mean Harball even said it,
we got to coach better, right, And it falls on
the coaches too.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
It can fall on the schemes, the schematics, you know.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
I think that Giro was trying to get the ball
out of Herbert's hands early with screens and quick game
because he because he knows that, you know, he's hampered
at the offensive line position, and he knows what's coming
with that, and that's pressure. I know a lot of
people would have liked to see Herbert rip it downfield
more and stretch the defense.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
But when you're being pressured at.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
That's such a high rate, I can't disagree with Giro
because he's trying to, you know, combat the blitz or
combat the pressure that he's getting rushed on. So we
had a game like this in twenty fifteen and coach
PAGs John Pagano was our defensive coordinator and we came
into the defensive meeting room and just spiritual down. You
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get into the building, it's very low, gloomy, and he said,
you know what, we're not even gonna watch the film.
We literally took the film, went out. We went on
Murphy Canyon Road. He dug a hole, he bade the
film there you go, and he's put journalism and he said, listen,
we're gonna move forward, because he said, at the end
of the day, there's things for us to learn from,
(10:17):
but that's not who we are.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
And we're gonna move forward and we're gonna look forward
to the next opponent.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
And crazy enough, we came out the next Sunday and
got a big time win against the New York Giants
and Eli Manning. So there's different ways. Obviously, every coach
is different. I think the Bible is going to be
really well, work well for them. They'll be able to
refresh and come back and it'll be good for him.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Was that was that game against the Giants at home?
It was I called that game. I remember that. I
called Yeah, I called that game for national radio. Uh
remember it.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Well.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
A lot of Giants fans in the building that day
and they and they all left very sad.
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Speaker 2 (11:14):
Slash Chargers just kind of to build on that, to
build out because you mentioned scheme, You mentioned what coach
Harbass said in the post game and what he said
on his Monday presser as well. As I went back
and looked through it, I was just very because I'll start, well,
you know what now, because you already talked about Giro,
so let me start there before we get to defense.
I was very surprised that there wasn't more quick game,
(11:34):
you know, because we saw a lot of that against
the Steelers, and we saw it be successful, especially with Quinton,
you know, the stiff arms and just those quick throws,
those smoke routes, Leak and Kamani into the flat like
there was there was one of those, and I was like, man,
I just thought, maybe you could get And I know
you can't change the identity of your offense and stuff,
but I just figured with I know that they didn't
(11:54):
have a lot of sacks, but there were still a
ton of pressures from Trayvon Walker and Josh Heinz Allen.
I think Josh Heines Allen was third in the league
in pressures, had over fifty coming into this one. So
I just figured, Okay, probably similar to what we saw
from the Steelers when you got t J. Watt and
Alex Highsmith and her Big and all those guys. Then yeah,
I mean you're looking at Trayvon Walker and Eric Armstead
and Josh Heines Allen's probably gonna look the same.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
And it didn't.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
And you know, first play of the game is seven
step drop play action. Let's wait for this long development wow,
you know. And it was just like, Okay, maybe that's
what's going to look like today. And man, Trayvon Walker
had his way with this team and Josh Heines Allen
and Eric Armstead and it was just like snap after snap,
those those shot plays just weren't happening. It wasn't going
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to have. So I was just very surprised that there
wasn't a shift. And I say that asking you, and
I'll ask it for the defensive side as well, and
some things that I noticed.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Is it just too hard?
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Is it too hard to change that much in game
to just go straight to a ton of quick game
to say, hey, man, I got two choices here. Either
I need my tackles a block and whole blocks, or
I need their corners to be able to tackle. Right,
I want their corners to be able to tackle based
on what I've seen, I'd rather go down that road
than this road, because this road does not look like
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it's manageable.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
No, it's because it was installed the week before, and
like you said, you've seen it, right, So the vocabulary
is there, they've practiced it.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
And there's been.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
Times where, you know, being in the game and we
ran something last week, but we didn't prep for it
that week. But we got into the game and seen
that this isn't working, and coach Milis or Gus Bradley
or John Pagano would say, hey, listen, just last week
we ran X, Y and Z. We're gonna bring that
up in this next downs in these next series because
we think that it'd be a good change up. So no,
they're more than capable of doing it. I'm not sure
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what Gero seen on film. Obviously we're not in the room,
we're not in the building. But something that he's seen
didn't allow him or make him believe that the same
game plan that he ran against the Steelers would work
against the Jaguars. Which when you put it like that
money and you talk about the guys in front that
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the Jaguars had, which they rushed only three and four.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
A lot and got home every time, it's a great point.
And then you talk about them being physical.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
When Herbert ran the ball in the first quarter and
he didn't slide and he went head up with the
linebacker got his name, number twenty three, and he dumped
Herbie right and it was a clean tackle. It was
a clean tackle. But I would like to a lot
would Yeah, I would like to see one of the lineans,
you know, get up there and should a bump them, Hey,
get off my quarterback right, like you're not going to
bully us today.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
And from that point on, that's literally what it was.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
It was like it was a bully ball and the
Jaguars were a bully and the Chargers never swung back.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Yeah, and it worked the other way too. I mean,
they just, like I said, ran the ball just and
it was the same play. I mean, you could probably
share look to it like a counter. To me, it
was just like an inside counter that they kept running in.
So here's what I was trying to fit. I'll start
with this, and you know you can. You can dig
into it and explain it to the people listening. I
want that heavy front. I just feel like this team
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plays so much better with the heavy front when we
get those three interior lignement, especially with Hand healthy. Now
I want tart Hand and Caldwell out there or in
the NASCAR package two Lee is your third interior with
o Way and Khalil on the edges. But I just
feel like that is much more effective than these light
fronts where they only have Tartan Caldwell or Tartan Hand
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and they're playing your two edges and they're playing dime
or they're playing just they I felt like they were
in that form that personnel grouping way too much. And
when they had those three interior and the just the
five man fronts, it felt like it was a little
bit I shouldn't even say a lot more effective.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Yeah, I see exactly going with it. And it's more
so out. It's the front, but it's also we keep
talking about it. It's the too high yes, but they're
allowed to play the too high money to your point
when they have that front end.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
There with the heavier, bigger guys inside.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
Right, So for the people that own, when you play
a too high shell, you only have a seven man box,
and that's called a light box.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
That's inviting the run.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Nine times out of ten, the charge has been able
to play with a light box. Right, the seven man box,
keeping the two safeties back, which allows them to negotiate negate,
the big play, the big ball, the big deep.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Balls over the head. They want to keep umbrella on
the defense. Right. The fastest way to losing the NFL
is big play.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
So they keep the two safeties back, corners playoff vision
on the quarterback, and they're able to stop the run
doing that. Now, if you can't stop the run, everybody
in America knows. You drop a safety in the box,
you go base, you put during that high safety and
you drop them in the box.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
You have duran and then you have three other linebackers.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
That's called a kick man box, which is known to
stop the run your gap sounds, so they call it
chargers wouldn't get out of the two cell look.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
And I guess that's kind of where it's very similar
to what I pointed out with the offense, right, it's
I'd rather see your corners tackle my receivers than my
tackles lock your edges. Same thing to me with Jacksonville.
I would rather single high man rush blitz. And I
want to see Trevor Lawrence have to navigate that because
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he's just been so indecisive and they're playing quarters and
they're playing these soft zones and they're not getting home
with four, and Trevor found a rhythm, he found some
comfort that had not been there the previous few weeks,
and I was just I kept waiting for that adjustment, like,
hey man, you said it right, what's the easiest way
to get beat explosive place?
Speaker 1 (17:32):
I want to see it. You want to see it?
Speaker 2 (17:35):
I want to Yeah, because there's no Brian Thomas, there's
you know, there's no no Travis Hunter. So if Jakobe
Myers or Parker Washington, if they're gonna beat me. Fine,
let me see it, man. And if Trevor Lawrence is
going to feel comfortable, because on that first series you
saw it. Man, he's he just didn't want to throw.
He had he had a flat sitting.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
There down, he had somebody open in the zone and
he failed.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
It couldn't pull it, couldn't pull the trigger.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
And to me, that's what I was kind of waiting
For'm like, man, I just you got Cam hart Man,
he's bodying up DK. You got Ben Saint Jus who
likes to play man like, get them dudes out there
and let's creep up and let's like you said, let's
let's get just run single high. And I'd rather see that,
And I was very surprised that we just never saw it.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
And the keyword you said was an adjustment.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
So you go into the game on Sunday with a
game plan and the game plan doesn't work or the
game's not going your way, that's ball that happens.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
But you said that they never adjusted. They kept it
too high.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
They kept during at the nickel spot, right, And okay,
so you have too high, then you have during at
the nickel spot, who was outside the box. Who's best
when he's inside the box, and then all they're doing
is running him off and then they're running the ball.
So essentially you really only have a six man box, right,
essentially we only have a six minut box, so.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
It's even lighter.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
What for the people at home with money is saying,
is hey, put the base defense in. We got your
bigs on at least on down money, when you know
they're running the ball, at least on first down. When
you got your bigs during at the high safety, drop
him in the box and then you can sprinkle in
your two shell and then get fancy with it on
second down and third down once you have him played
behind the sticks.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
But the Jaguars never played behind the sticks on Sunday.
First down, three yards of pop, five yards of pop.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
So then it's second and five and they call that
waist downs, which means you could do anything you want to.
They're not predictable because they're gonna take a deep shot,
they're gonna do a trick play, they're gonna do a
screen because even if they if they fail.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Five yeah, yeah, And I'll tell you the numbers. You're
you're talking about a team that ran sixty nine plays
and only had ten third downs and never punted. And
that tells you how effective they were on first and
second down. They just kept it and they had I
want to say, they had thirty first downs to six
for the Chargers.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
They never punted, score thirty five points.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
I'm looking at their scheme breakdown cover three fifty one percent,
quarters twenty six percent.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Who's who are you speaking of to me?
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Chargers not Chargers. That's that they against the Jacks. They
were in quarter, They were in quarters twenty eighty five
point four percent of the time. They were in cover
three fifty one percent of the time. So and they
had that light And I'll tell you, Julie, help me
kind of like explain the idea behind because I was
when I was going through all the explosive runs multiple
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I don't know, it might have been three of them
that went for big gainers, you know. And they didn't
have like twenty five yard runs, but they just had
a bunch of like eights and elevens and things like that.
They were overloading one side of the line where they
would have three linemen to one side of the center
and then one single lineman on the opposite with a
linebacker about five yards off the line of scrimmage. That's
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the way they were lined up. I don't know what
that formation's called, but every time they did it, they
ran right into it and they were gashing them for
twelve fourteen yards.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Yeah, I don't know what money you got me beat.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
Because your front has to be balanced, right, it just
has to be.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
There's odd fronts, there's even front.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
So you play a three technique, you play a shade.
But the fact that they had three linemen on one
side of the center, I mean, if I gave my
son who's seven years old that look, he's gonna know.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
To go with the where to go with the ball.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
And another interesting point that you made is that you
said they played thirty fifty one percent cover three. That's
an eight man box. Eight man box, that's a safety
down in the box. Now, do you play cover through
you to stop the run?
Speaker 1 (21:33):
You do?
Speaker 4 (21:34):
But now when they're starting to do counters and they're pulling,
your gaps move so if you're not gap sound, you
can easily get gashed.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Now, where you make it.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
Easier for them to feel the run is man to man, right,
and like you said, man on the outside you have
an eight man box, you have man to man, the
safety's on the tight end, and then they call it
my man, my fit soever, my man goes.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
I'm fitting off that so I'm not.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
Reading any gaps, so makes the defense and allow the
defense to play downhill and get to the ball faster.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Whereas Cover three you're covering the zone in.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
The past, and then when it's runs, your gaps moved
based on the offensive linement and what they're doing match.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
So it's bad run fits.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Yeah, I mean, obviously I gotta watch the film, but
it has to be a run face. If they're playing
Cover three, Coach Jesse fifty per of the time Coach
Jesse Minner was trying to stop throwing. That's that's an
eight man box. Cover three is eight million box, right,
so it's obviously the scheme.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
They also had to.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Be the guards pulling counter trap whatever that they were doing.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
It wasn't being fit up correctly.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Right.
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Speaker 2 (23:15):
I'm trying to find it so I could show it
to you because I don't want to make sure like
I'm not embellishing, so they're not technically, I mean, you
got tou le basically you have two lee in almost
like a almost like a seven, and then you've got
a zero, and then you've got someone just just shaded
(23:36):
to the to the left guard. Uh, and then you've
got it's it's yeah, I think I might have exaggerated
a little bit, but yeah, let me see if I
can let me see if I can do some uh
I want some fun stuff here. Let me see if
I can show it to you and then you kind
of give me an idea of what we're looking at
as it's all right, here we go, Let's have some
(23:58):
fun here, all right?
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Oh? Can I get back and all right, see what
I mean? Look at this hole.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
Yes, go to the other side. Sorry, go back, let
me see the other the right side of the line. Okay,
So you have a three and you have a shade
that you have a three right there to the right.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
I'm trying. I'm trying to see if I can. Here
we go. This is the one.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
So you have a three, then you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Look at this? Yes, look at this.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Yeah, that's an odd front, dude, I don't even know
what front that is.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Right, You've got you've got Khalil tart and hand and
called well, and then you've got Tully here.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Denzel's here truly.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
Has that outside gap? Is that is that tart over
seventy six?
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Yes, sEH Denzel's.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Shoot, I did it again, my bad. So that's hand.
I think that's that. I believe it's hand.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
So now that's called well, it's called well in hand,
so it's hand called well khalil truly.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Yeah, So obviously Tully has an outside Denzel has to
be slow it down.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
See but once they pull, see they're pulling, they're not
fitting the gaps correctly. Yeah, So seventy three crashes kicks
out seventy six folds, right, he stays Denzel has to
stay inside of that.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Right, here's small.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
That's just one small incident in right there.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
And then here's another one where it doesn't it doesn't show.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Up out much. They're outnumbered, right.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
They're outnumbered. Look at this like this things. Look at
where this thing's going, Like where do you think this
thing is.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Going to go? Right there?
Speaker 3 (25:31):
They don't have enough?
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Yeah, and it just I felt like that was happening
here it is again you kind of got all this
right here.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
I can't see the right side money.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
It's kind of sorry about that, man. I know it's
a little little wonky, but you know, and that was
one where he just got tripped up. It was just
very and I think, and I think I'm still missing
it might have been at ten who had who had
one that was even bigger. I was just trying to
find the explosives. But it might here we go, let's
see if it's this one right here, it might be
(26:04):
that's not that one. So anyway, again, I'm just I'm
not not critiquing.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
I'm just asking you because you know, I'm like, what
is this? What is this alignment?
Speaker 2 (26:15):
And if I can find the one that was if
I can find the one that was very that caused
me to be like, man, I don't I don't quite
understand what the idea is behind overloading that one side.
I was just kind of coming to you for answers
because I couldn't quite if I can understand, I.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
Would be able to see the all twenty two. I
literally on the screen can only see half. And then
obviously they're playing quarters, so the safety, the quarter safety
is called an active safety. He's in the run fit,
so he's probably playing the run from about eight to ten.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Yards right back if they're back.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
So it might look a little bit construed from the
view that I'm looking at, but the safety has a
run foot in the quarter's look right.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
I mean I can probably give you sideline view. I'm
sure the people listening are like, man, I sure would
like to watch this. Go to YouTube and watch it there,
because it's fun doing this with someone like jaliel Is.
I think I know what I'm looking at, and then
and then I get you to explain, and that's all
I'm looking for, Like, hey, what's I'm sure look, Jesse's brilliant.
I'm asking like, what's the idea behind kind of lining
(27:16):
this up the way they line it up with all that,
with this this front shifted heavy to one side and
this kind of big let me see it, this might
be I can't. I wish I could find it. Man,
I should have marked it, but I'm so terrible at
that because I just watch it and I can't get
enough anyway. It's but like you said, so I don't
(27:38):
want to harp on it too much. Defense issue. You're
talking about zero puns, thirty first downs. Offense could not
slow down the pass rush, could not get a run
game going, and as we move forward, I think the
big question I have. You know, jaliel Is with the
Raiders went back and watched every snap of the Dallas defense,
and one thing that stood out to me was they
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were not gonna let Ashton Genty beat them now. They
jumped on them and they got up and so the
Raiders had to abandon the run about late second early
third quarter. But they committed a ton of resources. I
mean it was eight, it was eight in the box,
and they were able. There was there was only one
time that Genty had I think he ran for about
eleven yards on one carry, and it was when they
had a light box, and it seemed like from that
(28:23):
point on they were like, no, we're gonna we're gonna
press you. We're gonna get up on the line of scrimmage.
And if you can beat us with Jack Besh and
Trey Tucker, then so be it.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Yeah, you hit it on the head money, you're really
good at what you do.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
But the reason why I say, with all that we've
talked about in the negatives, the bye week is such
a positive because one, you get to self scout yourself
and you get to see, Okay, just like we looked
at the film, Okay, what did we do wrong?
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Yeah, where we lined up wrong? Who didn't fit? Well?
How can we cover this better?
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Because that film that we just put on the screen
for thirty seconds, the Raiders are going to dissect that.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
And it's the copycat league.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
Whatever the Jaguars did well that worked against the Chargers,
the Raiders are gonna run in exactly the same. And
I bet anybody, any Charger fan, if you look at
what the Jacksonville Jaguars did, you'll see it.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
When we play the Raiders. Now, when you self scout,
you can prepare for that, right.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
That's why bye week is very, very crucial at this time,
especially coming off a game where you struggle on all
three phases, that you can say, Okay, how do we
get beat Now, let's take our ours, let's get up,
let's remove ourselves from the situation.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Look at it from a bird's eye view. How do
we attack it? So let's make changes. So I think
the charger will be fine in that aspect.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
When you look at the raiders, you're right, Hey, it's
brought Bowers and then it's stopping brock Bowers and it's
stopping astroon gent excuse me, stopping the run Like you said,
I would have played eight man box, Man man Manui mano.
My corners are better than your wide receivers, and we're
gonna make sure that your two best players don't beat us.
Durren James on brock Bowers, and we're stopping the run
with the eight man box. That's how I'm going in
(29:56):
stupid simple right. I'm not trying to be fancy. I'm
not trying to Gino. When we get the third down,
we can do all that, right. We can we can
get cute, we can go NASCAR package, we can change
up the looks we can bring different pressures, but first
and second down, let's keep them behind the stick and
force them to get into third and long.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
And Geno's not gonna beat you.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Right, And you know what, you got to disrupt Geno.
You disrupt Geno and you got him. You'll give him
time and he can cut you up. You know, he's
got a big arm. And so I think that's sort
of something that I, like you said, you have a
two weeks to look at it, all right. I was
able to get something just because I want to make
sure that we have some closure here. So I was
able to kind of get it here on the phone,
so I can hold it up and you can see
(30:37):
that's the formation I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Look at that hole.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
So the outside so is that Mickens. Mickens has the
gap between eighty and eighty six. Denzel has the gap
between sixty six and seventy two. The linebacker who's this
linebacker right here?
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Sorry? That is that doesn't look like Denzel.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
See I'm not sure who that is. It's not Denzel.
I'm not sure who that is, but for me, it
was more the It might be Marlowe, it might be
So I'm looking at it whoever it is, it's Troy
Troy Die is out there, and then I think that
might be.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
I'm not sure, but that's definitely.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
At the linebacker spot. I'm not going to well, listen,
it looks like he's missing. He's he's aligned wrong.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Okay, it looks like it's just that's what he was like.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Yeah, because one bomb blows everybody up, right, he watched
what happens. See, he came to his gap. He did
come to his gap. Mickens has to come now. Mickens
has to come now and squeeze off of eighty five.
You see Toole, he's holding the outside. He came to
his gap, but he's too washed in. He's he's right behind.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
The d tackle. Then look at that hole. It's a
parking lot.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Yeah, that's that's what I was talking about.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
So so there I see the front, but the line
their line from the beginning.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Okay, that's and that's what I was trying to figure out.
I was like, man, I'm looking at this and and
that run ended up going for I just sat. I
was trying to cut it up while you were talking.
I didn't want to have people think I was ignoring
you or something. I was just like, I know, I
saw this darn play where is it? And uh, and
sure enough, there it is. I might be able to
get it back up on the on the big screen,
because I think that's that's sort of what people are
(32:24):
are talking about, right, They're just like, hey, what's what's uh,
what's going on here with Jesse? Why why is this
happening kind of thing? So here, I can get it
back up on the big screen. And it's so that
is it's del Sean Phillips.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
It's who it is. Who's out there. It's del Sean.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
And it's so this is late in the game, this
is three minutes left, so it's backups that are out there.
It's Troy, it's del Sean. And that makes a lot
more sense than that. You've got someone who's I can
give it to you here as I just pulled it
up and you can kind of get a look at
it now.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
Yeah, So they on the look at the right side,
Look at the right side.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
The gap sound. Okay, so the gap sounds on the
right side.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
So the right side of the gap sound. On the
left side, they're not gap sound. Philis has to scoot over.
He's between eighty is that sixty six? Sixty six and
seventy two? That's it should be his alignment.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Yeah, they got the extra linman out there.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Right, so he should be sixty six.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
I think that's fifty five. So it's a doga. So
they have the extra lineman out there, and then I
wonder where he's gonna run.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
There you go right right between where he should be
or let's read that's a corner. Yeah, so they gotta
come down. They got to fill their gaps. The corners
playing way too deep and the linebacker's bossed over.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Way too far. He has to get in his gap
like in your gap. So you fight force with force
when he blocks down, and you see that lane he creates.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
That's what we're talking about. Yeah, See, that's fun to
have Jaliel here. Get it all squared away.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
Hey, you bring you bring it to light and I'll
paint the picture. Minded.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
That's what we're talking about, man, that's what we're talking about.
And look, you got Ashton Genty out there instead of
Laquinn Allen and that's gonna be a real problem. But
like you said, it's Nico Reid, it's del Sean Phillips.
It's late in the game, and so that's not necessarily
a scheme situation. It's a it's an assignment sort of thing.
And that's that's the great thing about having these two
weeks just get stuff cleaned up. I'm also kind of
(34:20):
interested to see what they want to do with this
offensive line. You know, I think it's unfair to assume
that Trevor Penning's going to come in be dropped at
left tackle and get an A plus rating, you know,
grade from from fro football Stone Josh Heinz Allen or
Trayvon Walker, and I think you kind of knew that.
The book on Trevor was it's a good run blocker,
(34:40):
It's very physical. They kicked him inside because he struggled
in pass pro and it was a real struggle for
him out there in past protection. Just could not quite
seem to get an anchor and found himself in Herbert's
lap against and and that's why I'm anxious to see
kind of how they want to do it, because you've
got Max Crosby, man, I know the Raider two and eight.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Just about to say so.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
Historically the two and eight and the Raiders always play
the Chargers. Yeah, Raiders always play the Chargers.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Good. Chargers, the Raiders good. Right.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
It's it's a historical rivalry, division rivals. They know each
other and no matter what record is on the board
for each team that when they play, it's going to
be it's gonna be a good.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
One, right, majority of the time. But are the Charges
better than the Raiders? They are? You have a better
ross than the Raiders.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
They do, coaching staff better, it is, but they have
to go out and prove it. It's not going to be
roll the ball out there once again and think we're
just going to beat the Raiders because we're seven and
four and we got big bad Herbie and our defense
is historically known to do well and we got the
best kicker in the National Football LEA.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
They have to put the work in.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Yeah, with those guys, how would you play it, Julio?
Would you with with Crosby and Kons and Wilson, you know,
just kind of rotating in there is that third rusher?
Would you rather go big, which they've done quite a
bit with with Tucker Fisk and Scott Matt Locke, or
would you rather spread it out and just run a
little bit more quick game against that secondary. What do
(36:10):
you think is more effective. Is it committing more resources
to trying to slow that down and putting less people
in the pattern, or do you think it's better to
put more people in the pattern and just try to
get that thing out there.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
I like, I think we can run the ball on them,
I think, but the Chargers can run the ball on them.
They're gonna want you to drop back and pass the ball.
That's what the Raiders are gonna want you to do.
Because of the offensive line struggling and because of Max Crosby.
When when you watched the first game, was it Pit
was lined up across from Crosby correct in the first game?
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Yes, yeah, they basically, and they wanted nothing to do
with Joald.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
Right, But Max didn't wreck the game either, No, he didn't.
He didn't wreck the game. Pit actually had a pretty
good outing and they were chipping him, slide into him.
So I think you look at the to answer your question, money,
I'm going in a circle. You look at, you know,
the first game, because you have that luxury of how
they attack them in the first game and what worked
well for us the first game, and you sprink a
(37:10):
little bit of that in there. But I also think
that at the end of the day, you run the
ball because I know we can run the ball on
their front two quick game screens, and then you let
our receivers who are better than their secondary go to work.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Right.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
So however that looks right, I'm not getting paid the
big bucks like g ro to make that game plan.
But I think that you can attack them balance, I
really do. But I think that you have to establish
the run so that you slow down a pass rusher
like Max Crosby and he doesn't have his ears pinned
back like, hey, I'm getting off this ball to go
get after Herbert. He has to actually sit down anchor
(37:44):
and force the ball back inside, which he's still really
stout against the run obviously, but I'd rather that than saying, hey, listen,
he knows his pass.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
He knows just a pass.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
Now it's a situation and he's just he's just barking
for that ball to be snap and then get back there.
So yeah, I think a balance attack has to be it,
but the run has to be established defense special teams
in a running game, and then that'll open up things
for Herbert in the offense.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
And I think that offensive line. You know, with the
bye week, they can really kind of dig in and
figure out what the right combo is. You know, is
a Jamari Sawyer left tackle, is it moving is it
moving Pip to left and having Trevor play right, you
know with McKay and get that, you know, six foot five,
you know, don't forget Trevor Penning's sixty seven, like he's
a big dude. So you can kind of try to
build that Joel McKay Beckton sort of thing on that
(38:36):
right side again, especially if a Marion's back right, and
see if you can sort of get that working. So
I I would be very surprised if it's just going
to be like, hey, let's try it again. I think
you're you're probably talking about an open competition at o
line trying to get some because you know what the
it's five fingers on a glove right. You've got to
get some cohesion and some chemistry there. And they've got
the extra days to do it. That's why. And like
(38:59):
I said, I think for me, I just I feel
like coach Minters has said it repeatedly.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Man, there's no scheme.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
It's all about my personnel and how I can put
those guys in the best position to succeed, and so
I think we'll see I'd be very surprised that we
didn't see a little bit more man on those receivers,
just because you know, as bash as a rookie talker's
got some speed, but you can muscle him around a
little bit, you know, with a guy like cam Hart
and not.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
Game planning for any receiver specific you're not rolling your
covers to any receiver. The biggest threat is Brock I just.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Throw I would you just throw Derwin on him? Right?
It's just like they used to do with Kelsey, just like,
hey Darwin.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
Right, But Durren held his own.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
So yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
And another thing I will say too, like when things.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
Don't go right, people like to point at the coaches
and being with that coaching staff, I know the kind
of work that they do, but a lot of.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
Times players got to make the plays come to life too.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Right, That's why I'm glad I brought up that that
that scheme that or that that formation. And I was like, man,
help me understand that. And for you to say, yeah, dude,
guy's supposed to be here and he's not.
Speaker 4 (40:09):
Yeah, like they could have coached that over and over
and walked throughs on Friday and Saturday, and then they
get onto the game and players don't execute right or
you know, they call the play and this is why
they paid.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
You got to get the coach out of that bad situation.
Make a play right.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
Players got to bring the play to life, is what
I'm saying. So it's it's everybody right. It's not just
the coaches, it's not just the players, but I think
as a whole, they need to get on the same page.
And when the coaches do call a bad play, because
they do, they're human, you got to bail them.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Out, right.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
And look, as I said, it's the same you know,
it's the same coaching staff that for the previous three
games had a defense that held their opponents in Minnesota,
Tennessee and Pittsburgh to less than nine points per game,
you know. And it's the same coaching staff that lit
up Pittsburgh for twenty five, Tennessee for twenty seven, in
Minnesota for thirty seven. So it's not like that this
(41:02):
has been a month long trend. It's a team that
it's a defense that beat the Chiefs, Raiders and Broncos
and back to back to back weeks, you know, and
it's an offense that was able to scheme it up
and beat the Chiefs and the Broncos and you know,
scheme up some plays and get some magic from Herbert
against Miami with forty seven seconds left, and so, you know,
(41:25):
I think as we wrap it, the one thing I'm
interested as well with these two weeks in the bye
week is trying to figure out some kickoff return and
just that's I feel like we've had one good kickoff
return all season long, and it was from a guy
who's not on the team anymore, Naehan Miller Hines, you know.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
In Miami.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
So yeah, so that's that's really the only big pop
that they've had all season long.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
So anxious to see what they do on that front.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
JK has been great, He had a great you know what,
there's one guy who played well against Jacksonville, JK Scott
at a great day punt and the punk coverage was
pretty darn good. So like you said, dig a hole
and uh or you know what, throw it over.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
The fence at uh.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Yeah, throw it over the fence at raytheon across the street.
They'll freaking light it up with machine gun fire or
something like that, and then just get.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
Back to it.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Look for exactly good time for a buye get these
guys healthy, especially if a Mari and Hampton's coming back. Man,
that's gonna change a lot, no doubt about it. So
appreciate you breaking it all down, Juliel. That's what That's
what we love having you here for. Man is just
making some sense of some stuff that to people like me,
you're you're trying to figure out and you don't quite understand,
(42:37):
and having you walk us through it helps helps a lot.
So hopefully that helped the people listening. If you could
only listen to the audio, remember it's available at chargers
dot com on video, and you'll see some of the
bad cinematography I put forth and trying to get that
thing to line up that Juli Leo was working with organically.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
It was organic, Okay, it was.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
It was That's what we do. We'll be back again
next week. Appreciate y'all. Be sure to rate, to like,
to leave a comment. We appreciate all that. We'll interact
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
Welcome to Chargers Weekly presented by Splittero with Jaliel a
Die Today Matt Muney Smith here. For those of you
not watching but listening to the Auto Component, you will
not hear Chris Harry. He earned a buye as well,
visiting with his family on the Eastern Seaboard up there
in Charleston. I'll probably be out next week as I'll
be in the Midwest visiting my folks for Thanksgiving. So
(00:32):
I think it's going to be Chris and maybe Jaliel
as well, but Julie, I think, Look, we're gonna look back.
We're going to talk about what was the situation in Jacksonville,
but also important to look forward. And I'd love to
just start with this. As you played a number of years,
I would assume you had early buys, you had you know,
those perfect week eight byes, and you probably had late buys.
(00:54):
What is a bye week for a player? What goes
into it? Do you look forward to it? I'm not
saying you overlook an opponent, but just kind of especially
when you have one this late in the year, going
into week twelve, when you started early with that Hall
of Fame game. Did it look like a team that
was in desperate need of a bye week?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
The first thing you know, we did usually was when
the schedule came out, we would look to see when
is our bye week?
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Right, hoping that it wasn't early.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
In the season and that you can get one mid
mid season closer towards the end, because your body's banged up, right,
and it's a hall. It's a hall mentally, it's a
hall physically. People don't understand what these players go through
day in and day out, and it's a true grind,
right and rightfully so. And this is why they get
paid the big bucks and their professional athletes, and we
(01:37):
expect them to be professionals in the respected space. But
when you look at the bye week, now, you just
hit it on the head money. This team looked like
they needed to buy right. The way they came out
and they played, they were flat. Jacksonville brought it to
them on all three phases, out physical them, outschemed them
top to bottom. So when you look at it and
you say, okay, what goes into a bias? Okay, first
(01:57):
of all, we're going to go visit family, right, a reset?
Where to get healthy. Players who aren't banged up don't
get to leave. They have to obviously stay back and
get treatment, reset your mind, refresh your mind.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
But also you're always you're always.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
In the mindset of being a professional player and winning
a game an advantage. So you're looking forward to, you know,
two weeks and seeing the opponents that you're playing in
your home, and you're studying film as well while you're
taking a break. But you're definitely getting away from ball
for a few days and allowing it to be fresh
again once you get back.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
You said it.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
When I said it, I got accused of making excuses,
and you know, people wanted heads on a platter and
people to be fired and all that stuff. When I
did my Instagram on Sunday night after we got home
and I used the word flat, I said, look every
that there wasn't a single position group that played well.
So share with the people listening and with me. You know,
(02:49):
what does it mean to come out flat? How does
a team come out flat? What is it that leads
to that.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Well, they just had a massive win right on Monday,
I'll excuse me. On Sunday night foot ball against the Steelers,
and that can carry over sometimes for good or bad, right,
and it's on the leaders of the team to be like, hey, yes,
that was a big win on national TV against a
team that is a respective team that's supposed to make
the playoffs and go far.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
But we can't let them.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
We can't let that victory allow us to go way
to Florida, right in North Florida and come out flat.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
And flat means listen.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
It could be lack of preparation mentally physically, thinking that, hey,
we're going to Jacksonville. We just whooped up on the
Steelers and we're going to Jacksonville. Who's a Travis hunterless team.
Trevor Lawrence isn't playing his best ball, and it's the Jaguars, right,
Typically it's Jaguars.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Look at the jack Oh, it could be a stat game.
This is in the sane Jaguars, right.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
And when you say how they come out flat, they
didn't play with urgency, they didn't play with any physicality.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
The coaches got out schemed, right, and it's just is
what it is.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
When you watch the brand of football that the Chargers
played on Sunday, that's the one word that you can say,
not Herbert didn't play well, the water.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Boys didn't play well. Nobody played well.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
I don't even know if they're equipment staff packed the
right equipment, right, It's I'm joking, but it's just what
it was. It was an all around loss and it
was a total team loss. And you're right, and you're
right money. I mean, this is media and obviously we
pull for the Chargers and we want the Charges to win,
but when they put out a performance like that, we
also have to be real and be realist about what
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we've seen on TV.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Yeah, you know, I'll tell you that you mentioned Justin's
it's his worst game as a Charger. I mean, that's
ultimately what we're talking about. He's had multiple interception games,
he's had low yardage games, He's been on the wrong
side of a forty five nothing, you know, shut out
at the hands of the Patriots and Cam Newton. But
(04:41):
I kept saying it, like I think when you marry expectations,
which players were available, who the opponent was, I think
this is probably the worst performance of you know, the
the Justin Herbert era. You're talking about eighty one yards
passing and an interception and you go to the bench.
He's never done that before, unless it's been for the
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opposite you know, where they've been blown a team out.
You want to get him a little bit of rest.
I think it's also important to point out that it's
not all on him. Guy got absolutely creamed back there repeatedly.
So I think it's understandable that you know you're you're
maybe going to have a bad game or sale a
couple throws we saw with Aaron Rodgers, right. I mentioned
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this in that in that instagram I did, I you know,
just kind of in the moment because it popped into
my head. I said, it's almost the mirror image of
the Steelers game, where the defense just had all the
answers pressured the heck out of the quarterback. Running game
couldn't go in, and therefore the passing game couldn't get going,
and ultimately the defense wore down and you get gashed
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in the running game. I mean, it just looked like
they were the Steelers from Sunday Night and the Jags
were the Chargers from that Sunday Night game.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
And that's the crazy part because you talk about the
Steelers and that's an organization who's historically known to be
physic and the Chargers out physical them. And then you
went to Jacksonville, who they're an organization who really doesn't
have an identity, right, And we couldn't stop the run.
And when you can't stop the run, the offense has
the playbook at their disposal, right, So if you can't
stop the run, we have a two shell. And then
(06:15):
now we're trying to stop the run with the two
shell that's not working. Then we're bringing a safety in
the box to create an eight man box so we
can fit the run better.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
That wasn't working. So it was like the defense.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Also, you talk about Herbert, that was the worst performance
that we've seen from a jesse Miners defense. Right, for
so long, they played such good ball, right, the last
three weeks they played such good ball.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
And then you talk about Herbert.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
And Herbert's been under the rest all season long, right,
And he's been under the rest all season long, but
he's been able to get over the hump and he's
been able to get through that and still come out
with a superman performance.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Right, So this is.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
What it looks like when he doesn't have a superman
performance and he's not perfect, right, And so many times
we're used to him getting the side of that funt,
no matter that the offensive line being hurt, no matter
how many times it's being pressured rolling to the left
and throwing the dart for to Keenan Allen are escaping
the pocket.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
And this Sunday, last Sunday, he was just not able
to do that.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
And I think it's it's such a great point, Jalil, right,
because that's what we're used to. We're used to, Oh,
you're you're on your sixth and seventh tackle. Sorry, Justin's
got us. You're you're down to Ronde Gadsten. No problem,
Justin's got us. You don't have Naji Harris, Amari and
Hampton nor Hassan Haskins. Don't worry about it. Justin's got us.
(07:29):
And in this particular one, it just didn't happen. And
I think that's kind of what I tried to suggest,
is let's not forget the team is seven and four.
They are down arguably the best bookend tackles in the game.
They are down. They're starting three running backs, you know,
their stud first rounder who was just starting to get
(07:51):
going and looking like one of the five best backs
in the league. In that Giants game, in the first
half of the Commander's game. And then they're down Nashi,
who was pulling, you know, was ripping five yards of carry,
and they're Downissan Haskins, who's their best pass protection back.
It's just, you know, it's such a great point, like
we just assume that he's going to overcome all of that,
(08:11):
and there's some sort of fairy dust that sprinkled on it,
and you somehow stay competitive and try to eke something out.
And this just happens to be the same guy that
handed Jesse Minner his worst performance last year and Liam
Cohen when the Bucks came to town and Bucky Irving
and Rashad White ran for over two hundred yards on
seven yards per carry, and it happened again. And ultimately
(08:32):
I think that's what happened to that defense is Traves
etn and beaise On dude just got going, man, and
they had no answers, and they kept running the same
play over and over again.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
If it's not broke, don't fix it, right, And that's
what they did.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
And then we just a heartback on Herbert and a
lot of times if he is in a funk right,
the defense bails him out.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
And the defense gets.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
It through it now, so they get the turnal that
we need and then that allows Justin to get into
his groove and allows the offense of getting into his
groove and on. So they just neither side of the
ball was able to get into a groove. It just
felt like and Herbert, i mean Harball even said it,
we got to coach better, right, And it falls on
the coaches too.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
It can fall on the schemes, the schematics, you know.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
I think that Giro was trying to get the ball
out of Herbert's hands early with screens and quick game
because he because he knows that, you know, he's hampered
at the offensive line position, and he knows what's coming
with that, and that's pressure. I know a lot of
people would have liked to see Herbert rip it downfield
more and stretch the defense.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
But when you're being pressured at.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
That's such a high rate, I can't disagree with Giro
because he's trying to, you know, combat the blitz or
combat the pressure that he's getting rushed on. So we
had a game like this in twenty fifteen and coach
PAGs John Pagano was our defensive coordinator and we came
into the defensive meeting room and just spiritual down. You
(09:56):
get into the building, it's very low, gloomy, and he said,
you know what, we're not even gonna watch the film.
We literally took the film, went out. We went on
Murphy Canyon Road. He dug a hole, he bade the
film there you go, and he's put journalism and he said, listen,
we're gonna move forward, because he said, at the end
of the day, there's things for us to learn from,
(10:17):
but that's not who we are.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
And we're gonna move forward and we're gonna look forward
to the next opponent.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
And crazy enough, we came out the next Sunday and
got a big time win against the New York Giants
and Eli Manning. So there's different ways. Obviously, every coach
is different. I think the Bible is going to be
really well, work well for them. They'll be able to
refresh and come back and it'll be good for him.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Was that was that game against the Giants at home?
It was I called that game. I remember that. I
called Yeah, I called that game for national radio. Uh
remember it.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Well.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
A lot of Giants fans in the building that day
and they and they all left very sad.
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Speaker 2 (11:14):
Slash Chargers just kind of to build on that, to
build out because you mentioned scheme, You mentioned what coach
Harbass said in the post game and what he said
on his Monday presser as well. As I went back
and looked through it, I was just very because I'll start, well,
you know what now, because you already talked about Giro,
so let me start there before we get to defense.
I was very surprised that there wasn't more quick game,
(11:34):
you know, because we saw a lot of that against
the Steelers, and we saw it be successful, especially with Quinton,
you know, the stiff arms and just those quick throws,
those smoke routes, Leak and Kamani into the flat like
there was there was one of those, and I was like, man,
I just thought, maybe you could get And I know
you can't change the identity of your offense and stuff,
but I just figured with I know that they didn't
(11:54):
have a lot of sacks, but there were still a
ton of pressures from Trayvon Walker and Josh Heinz Allen.
I think Josh Heines Allen was third in the league
in pressures, had over fifty coming into this one. So
I just figured, Okay, probably similar to what we saw
from the Steelers when you got t J. Watt and
Alex Highsmith and her Big and all those guys. Then yeah,
I mean you're looking at Trayvon Walker and Eric Armstead
and Josh Heines Allen's probably gonna look the same.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
And it didn't.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
And you know, first play of the game is seven
step drop play action. Let's wait for this long development wow,
you know. And it was just like, Okay, maybe that's
what's going to look like today. And man, Trayvon Walker
had his way with this team and Josh Heines Allen
and Eric Armstead and it was just like snap after snap,
those those shot plays just weren't happening. It wasn't going
(12:38):
to have. So I was just very surprised that there
wasn't a shift. And I say that asking you, and
I'll ask it for the defensive side as well, and
some things that I noticed.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Is it just too hard?
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Is it too hard to change that much in game
to just go straight to a ton of quick game
to say, hey, man, I got two choices here. Either
I need my tackles a block and whole blocks, or
I need their corners to be able to tackle. Right,
I want their corners to be able to tackle based
on what I've seen, I'd rather go down that road
than this road, because this road does not look like
(13:12):
it's manageable.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
No, it's because it was installed the week before, and
like you said, you've seen it, right, So the vocabulary
is there, they've practiced it.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
And there's been.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
Times where, you know, being in the game and we
ran something last week, but we didn't prep for it
that week. But we got into the game and seen
that this isn't working, and coach Milis or Gus Bradley
or John Pagano would say, hey, listen, just last week
we ran X, Y and Z. We're gonna bring that
up in this next downs in these next series because
we think that it'd be a good change up. So no,
they're more than capable of doing it. I'm not sure
(13:43):
what Gero seen on film. Obviously we're not in the room,
we're not in the building. But something that he's seen
didn't allow him or make him believe that the same
game plan that he ran against the Steelers would work
against the Jaguars. Which when you put it like that
money and you talk about the guys in front that
(14:03):
the Jaguars had, which they rushed only three and four.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
A lot and got home every time, it's a great point.
And then you talk about them being physical.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
When Herbert ran the ball in the first quarter and
he didn't slide and he went head up with the
linebacker got his name, number twenty three, and he dumped
Herbie right and it was a clean tackle. It was
a clean tackle. But I would like to a lot
would Yeah, I would like to see one of the lineans,
you know, get up there and should a bump them, Hey,
get off my quarterback right, like you're not going to
bully us today.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
And from that point on, that's literally what it was.
Speaker 4 (14:33):
It was like it was a bully ball and the
Jaguars were a bully and the Chargers never swung back.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Yeah, and it worked the other way too. I mean,
they just, like I said, ran the ball just and
it was the same play. I mean, you could probably
share look to it like a counter. To me, it
was just like an inside counter that they kept running in.
So here's what I was trying to fit. I'll start
with this, and you know you can. You can dig
into it and explain it to the people listening. I
want that heavy front. I just feel like this team
(15:01):
plays so much better with the heavy front when we
get those three interior lignement, especially with Hand healthy. Now
I want tart Hand and Caldwell out there or in
the NASCAR package two Lee is your third interior with
o Way and Khalil on the edges. But I just
feel like that is much more effective than these light
fronts where they only have Tartan Caldwell or Tartan Hand
(15:22):
and they're playing your two edges and they're playing dime
or they're playing just they I felt like they were
in that form that personnel grouping way too much. And
when they had those three interior and the just the
five man fronts, it felt like it was a little
bit I shouldn't even say a lot more effective.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Yeah, I see exactly going with it. And it's more
so out. It's the front, but it's also we keep
talking about it. It's the too high yes, but they're
allowed to play the too high money to your point
when they have that front end.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
There with the heavier, bigger guys inside.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
Right, So for the people that own, when you play
a too high shell, you only have a seven man box,
and that's called a light box.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
That's inviting the run.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Nine times out of ten, the charge has been able
to play with a light box. Right, the seven man box,
keeping the two safeties back, which allows them to negotiate negate,
the big play, the big ball, the big deep.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Balls over the head. They want to keep umbrella on
the defense. Right. The fastest way to losing the NFL
is big play.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
So they keep the two safeties back, corners playoff vision
on the quarterback, and they're able to stop the run
doing that. Now, if you can't stop the run, everybody
in America knows. You drop a safety in the box,
you go base, you put during that high safety and
you drop them in the box.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
You have duran and then you have three other linebackers.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
That's called a kick man box, which is known to
stop the run your gap sounds, so they call it
chargers wouldn't get out of the two cell look.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
And I guess that's kind of where it's very similar
to what I pointed out with the offense, right, it's
I'd rather see your corners tackle my receivers than my
tackles lock your edges. Same thing to me with Jacksonville.
I would rather single high man rush blitz. And I
want to see Trevor Lawrence have to navigate that because
(17:12):
he's just been so indecisive and they're playing quarters and
they're playing these soft zones and they're not getting home
with four, and Trevor found a rhythm, he found some
comfort that had not been there the previous few weeks,
and I was just I kept waiting for that adjustment, like,
hey man, you said it right, what's the easiest way
to get beat explosive place?
Speaker 1 (17:32):
I want to see it. You want to see it?
Speaker 2 (17:35):
I want to Yeah, because there's no Brian Thomas, there's
you know, there's no no Travis Hunter. So if Jakobe
Myers or Parker Washington, if they're gonna beat me. Fine,
let me see it, man. And if Trevor Lawrence is
going to feel comfortable, because on that first series you
saw it. Man, he's he just didn't want to throw.
He had he had a flat sitting.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
There down, he had somebody open in the zone and
he failed.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
It couldn't pull it, couldn't pull the trigger.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
And to me, that's what I was kind of waiting
For'm like, man, I just you got Cam hart Man,
he's bodying up DK. You got Ben Saint Jus who
likes to play man like, get them dudes out there
and let's creep up and let's like you said, let's
let's get just run single high. And I'd rather see that,
And I was very surprised that we just never saw it.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
And the keyword you said was an adjustment.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
So you go into the game on Sunday with a
game plan and the game plan doesn't work or the
game's not going your way, that's ball that happens.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
But you said that they never adjusted. They kept it
too high.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
They kept during at the nickel spot, right, And okay,
so you have too high, then you have during at
the nickel spot, who was outside the box. Who's best
when he's inside the box, and then all they're doing
is running him off and then they're running the ball.
So essentially you really only have a six man box, right,
essentially we only have a six minut box, so.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
It's even lighter.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
What for the people at home with money is saying,
is hey, put the base defense in. We got your
bigs on at least on down money, when you know
they're running the ball, at least on first down. When
you got your bigs during at the high safety, drop
him in the box and then you can sprinkle in
your two shell and then get fancy with it on
second down and third down once you have him played
behind the sticks.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
But the Jaguars never played behind the sticks on Sunday.
First down, three yards of pop, five yards of pop.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
So then it's second and five and they call that
waist downs, which means you could do anything you want to.
They're not predictable because they're gonna take a deep shot,
they're gonna do a trick play, they're gonna do a
screen because even if they if they fail.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Five yeah, yeah, And I'll tell you the numbers. You're
you're talking about a team that ran sixty nine plays
and only had ten third downs and never punted. And
that tells you how effective they were on first and
second down. They just kept it and they had I
want to say, they had thirty first downs to six
for the Chargers.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
They never punted, score thirty five points.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
I'm looking at their scheme breakdown cover three fifty one percent,
quarters twenty six percent.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Who's who are you speaking of to me?
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Chargers not Chargers. That's that they against the Jacks. They
were in quarter, They were in quarters twenty eighty five
point four percent of the time. They were in cover
three fifty one percent of the time. So and they
had that light And I'll tell you, Julie, help me
kind of like explain the idea behind because I was
when I was going through all the explosive runs multiple
(20:24):
I don't know, it might have been three of them
that went for big gainers, you know. And they didn't
have like twenty five yard runs, but they just had
a bunch of like eights and elevens and things like that.
They were overloading one side of the line where they
would have three linemen to one side of the center
and then one single lineman on the opposite with a
linebacker about five yards off the line of scrimmage. That's
(20:47):
the way they were lined up. I don't know what
that formation's called, but every time they did it, they
ran right into it and they were gashing them for
twelve fourteen yards.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Yeah, I don't know what money you got me beat.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
Because your front has to be balanced, right, it just
has to be.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
There's odd fronts, there's even front.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
So you play a three technique, you play a shade.
But the fact that they had three linemen on one
side of the center, I mean, if I gave my
son who's seven years old that look, he's gonna know.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
To go with the where to go with the ball.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
And another interesting point that you made is that you
said they played thirty fifty one percent cover three. That's
an eight man box. Eight man box, that's a safety
down in the box. Now, do you play cover through
you to stop the run?
Speaker 1 (21:33):
You do?
Speaker 4 (21:34):
But now when they're starting to do counters and they're pulling,
your gaps move so if you're not gap sound, you
can easily get gashed.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Now, where you make it.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
Easier for them to feel the run is man to man, right,
and like you said, man on the outside you have
an eight man box, you have man to man, the
safety's on the tight end, and then they call it
my man, my fit soever, my man goes.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
I'm fitting off that so I'm not.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
Reading any gaps, so makes the defense and allow the
defense to play downhill and get to the ball faster.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Whereas Cover three you're covering the zone in.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
The past, and then when it's runs, your gaps moved
based on the offensive linement and what they're doing match.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
So it's bad run fits.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Yeah, I mean, obviously I gotta watch the film, but
it has to be a run face. If they're playing
Cover three, Coach Jesse fifty per of the time Coach
Jesse Minner was trying to stop throwing. That's that's an
eight man box. Cover three is eight million box, right,
so it's obviously the scheme.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
They also had to.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Be the guards pulling counter trap whatever that they were doing.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
It wasn't being fit up correctly.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Right.
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Speaker 2 (23:15):
I'm trying to find it so I could show it
to you because I don't want to make sure like
I'm not embellishing, so they're not technically, I mean, you
got tou le basically you have two lee in almost
like a almost like a seven, and then you've got
a zero, and then you've got someone just just shaded
(23:36):
to the to the left guard. Uh, and then you've
got it's it's yeah, I think I might have exaggerated
a little bit, but yeah, let me see if I
can let me see if I can do some uh
I want some fun stuff here. Let me see if
I can show it to you and then you kind
of give me an idea of what we're looking at
as it's all right, here we go, Let's have some
(23:58):
fun here, all right?
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Oh? Can I get back and all right, see what
I mean? Look at this hole.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
Yes, go to the other side. Sorry, go back, let
me see the other the right side of the line. Okay,
So you have a three and you have a shade
that you have a three right there to the right.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
I'm trying. I'm trying to see if I can. Here
we go. This is the one.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
So you have a three, then you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Look at this? Yes, look at this.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Yeah, that's an odd front, dude, I don't even know
what front that is.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Right, You've got you've got Khalil tart and hand and
called well, and then you've got Tully here.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Denzel's here truly.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
Has that outside gap? Is that is that tart over
seventy six?
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Yes, sEH Denzel's.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Shoot, I did it again, my bad. So that's hand.
I think that's that. I believe it's hand.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
So now that's called well, it's called well in hand,
so it's hand called well khalil truly.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Yeah, So obviously Tully has an outside Denzel has to
be slow it down.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
See but once they pull, see they're pulling, they're not
fitting the gaps correctly. Yeah, So seventy three crashes kicks
out seventy six folds, right, he stays Denzel has to
stay inside of that.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Right, here's small.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
That's just one small incident in right there.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
And then here's another one where it doesn't it doesn't show.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Up out much. They're outnumbered, right.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
They're outnumbered. Look at this like this things. Look at
where this thing's going, Like where do you think this
thing is.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Going to go? Right there?
Speaker 3 (25:31):
They don't have enough?
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Yeah, and it just I felt like that was happening
here it is again you kind of got all this
right here.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
I can't see the right side money.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
It's kind of sorry about that, man. I know it's
a little little wonky, but you know, and that was
one where he just got tripped up. It was just
very and I think, and I think I'm still missing
it might have been at ten who had who had
one that was even bigger. I was just trying to
find the explosives. But it might here we go, let's
see if it's this one right here, it might be
(26:04):
that's not that one. So anyway, again, I'm just I'm
not not critiquing.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
I'm just asking you because you know, I'm like, what
is this? What is this alignment?
Speaker 2 (26:15):
And if I can find the one that was if
I can find the one that was very that caused
me to be like, man, I don't I don't quite
understand what the idea is behind overloading that one side.
I was just kind of coming to you for answers
because I couldn't quite if I can understand, I.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
Would be able to see the all twenty two. I
literally on the screen can only see half. And then
obviously they're playing quarters, so the safety, the quarter safety
is called an active safety. He's in the run fit,
so he's probably playing the run from about eight to ten.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Yards right back if they're back.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
So it might look a little bit construed from the
view that I'm looking at, but the safety has a
run foot in the quarter's look right.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
I mean I can probably give you sideline view. I'm
sure the people listening are like, man, I sure would
like to watch this. Go to YouTube and watch it there,
because it's fun doing this with someone like jaliel Is.
I think I know what I'm looking at, and then
and then I get you to explain, and that's all
I'm looking for, Like, hey, what's I'm sure look, Jesse's brilliant.
I'm asking like, what's the idea behind kind of lining
(27:16):
this up the way they line it up with all that,
with this this front shifted heavy to one side and
this kind of big let me see it, this might
be I can't. I wish I could find it. Man,
I should have marked it, but I'm so terrible at
that because I just watch it and I can't get
enough anyway. It's but like you said, so I don't
(27:38):
want to harp on it too much. Defense issue. You're
talking about zero puns, thirty first downs. Offense could not
slow down the pass rush, could not get a run
game going, and as we move forward, I think the
big question I have. You know, jaliel Is with the
Raiders went back and watched every snap of the Dallas defense,
and one thing that stood out to me was they
(28:01):
were not gonna let Ashton Genty beat them now. They
jumped on them and they got up and so the
Raiders had to abandon the run about late second early
third quarter. But they committed a ton of resources. I
mean it was eight, it was eight in the box,
and they were able. There was there was only one
time that Genty had I think he ran for about
eleven yards on one carry, and it was when they
had a light box, and it seemed like from that
(28:23):
point on they were like, no, we're gonna we're gonna
press you. We're gonna get up on the line of scrimmage.
And if you can beat us with Jack Besh and
Trey Tucker, then so be it.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Yeah, you hit it on the head money, you're really
good at what you do.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
But the reason why I say, with all that we've
talked about in the negatives, the bye week is such
a positive because one, you get to self scout yourself
and you get to see, Okay, just like we looked
at the film, Okay, what did we do wrong?
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Yeah, where we lined up wrong? Who didn't fit? Well?
How can we cover this better?
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Because that film that we just put on the screen
for thirty seconds, the Raiders are going to dissect that.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
And it's the copycat league.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
Whatever the Jaguars did well that worked against the Chargers,
the Raiders are gonna run in exactly the same. And
I bet anybody, any Charger fan, if you look at
what the Jacksonville Jaguars did, you'll see it.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
When we play the Raiders. Now, when you self scout,
you can prepare for that, right.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
That's why bye week is very, very crucial at this time,
especially coming off a game where you struggle on all
three phases, that you can say, Okay, how do we
get beat Now, let's take our ours, let's get up,
let's remove ourselves from the situation.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
Look at it from a bird's eye view. How do
we attack it? So let's make changes. So I think
the charger will be fine in that aspect.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
When you look at the raiders, you're right, Hey, it's
brought Bowers and then it's stopping brock Bowers and it's
stopping astroon gent excuse me, stopping the run Like you said,
I would have played eight man box, Man man Manui mano.
My corners are better than your wide receivers, and we're
gonna make sure that your two best players don't beat us.
Durren James on brock Bowers, and we're stopping the run
with the eight man box. That's how I'm going in
(29:56):
stupid simple right. I'm not trying to be fancy. I'm
not trying to Gino. When we get the third down,
we can do all that, right. We can we can
get cute, we can go NASCAR package, we can change
up the looks we can bring different pressures, but first
and second down, let's keep them behind the stick and
force them to get into third and long.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
And Geno's not gonna beat you.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Right, And you know what, you got to disrupt Geno.
You disrupt Geno and you got him. You'll give him
time and he can cut you up. You know, he's
got a big arm. And so I think that's sort
of something that I, like you said, you have a
two weeks to look at it, all right. I was
able to get something just because I want to make
sure that we have some closure here. So I was
able to kind of get it here on the phone,
so I can hold it up and you can see
(30:37):
that's the formation I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Look at that hole.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
So the outside so is that Mickens. Mickens has the
gap between eighty and eighty six. Denzel has the gap
between sixty six and seventy two. The linebacker who's this
linebacker right here?
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Sorry? That is that doesn't look like Denzel.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
See I'm not sure who that is. It's not Denzel.
I'm not sure who that is, but for me, it
was more the It might be Marlowe, it might be
So I'm looking at it whoever it is, it's Troy
Troy Die is out there, and then I think that
might be.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
I'm not sure, but that's definitely.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
At the linebacker spot. I'm not going to well, listen,
it looks like he's missing. He's he's aligned wrong.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Okay, it looks like it's just that's what he was like.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Yeah, because one bomb blows everybody up, right, he watched
what happens. See, he came to his gap. He did
come to his gap. Mickens has to come now. Mickens
has to come now and squeeze off of eighty five.
You see Toole, he's holding the outside. He came to
his gap, but he's too washed in. He's he's right behind.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
The d tackle. Then look at that hole. It's a
parking lot.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Yeah, that's that's what I was talking about.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
So so there I see the front, but the line
their line from the beginning.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Okay, that's and that's what I was trying to figure out.
I was like, man, I'm looking at this and and
that run ended up going for I just sat. I
was trying to cut it up while you were talking.
I didn't want to have people think I was ignoring
you or something. I was just like, I know, I
saw this darn play where is it? And uh, and
sure enough, there it is. I might be able to
get it back up on the on the big screen,
because I think that's that's sort of what people are
(32:24):
are talking about, right, They're just like, hey, what's what's uh,
what's going on here with Jesse? Why why is this
happening kind of thing? So here, I can get it
back up on the big screen. And it's so that
is it's del Sean Phillips.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
It's who it is. Who's out there. It's del Sean.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
And it's so this is late in the game, this
is three minutes left, so it's backups that are out there.
It's Troy, it's del Sean. And that makes a lot
more sense than that. You've got someone who's I can
give it to you here as I just pulled it
up and you can kind of get a look at
it now.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
Yeah, So they on the look at the right side,
Look at the right side.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
The gap sound. Okay, so the gap sounds on the
right side.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
So the right side of the gap sound. On the
left side, they're not gap sound. Philis has to scoot over.
He's between eighty is that sixty six? Sixty six and
seventy two? That's it should be his alignment.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Yeah, they got the extra linman out there.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Right, so he should be sixty six.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
I think that's fifty five. So it's a doga. So
they have the extra lineman out there, and then I
wonder where he's gonna run.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
There you go right right between where he should be
or let's read that's a corner. Yeah, so they gotta
come down. They got to fill their gaps. The corners
playing way too deep and the linebacker's bossed over.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Way too far. He has to get in his gap
like in your gap. So you fight force with force
when he blocks down, and you see that lane he creates.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
That's what we're talking about. Yeah, See, that's fun to
have Jaliel here. Get it all squared away.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
Hey, you bring you bring it to light and I'll
paint the picture. Minded.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
That's what we're talking about, man, that's what we're talking about.
And look, you got Ashton Genty out there instead of
Laquinn Allen and that's gonna be a real problem. But
like you said, it's Nico Reid, it's del Sean Phillips.
It's late in the game, and so that's not necessarily
a scheme situation. It's a it's an assignment sort of thing.
And that's that's the great thing about having these two
weeks just get stuff cleaned up. I'm also kind of
(34:20):
interested to see what they want to do with this
offensive line. You know, I think it's unfair to assume
that Trevor Penning's going to come in be dropped at
left tackle and get an A plus rating, you know,
grade from from fro football Stone Josh Heinz Allen or
Trayvon Walker, and I think you kind of knew that.
The book on Trevor was it's a good run blocker,
(34:40):
It's very physical. They kicked him inside because he struggled
in pass pro and it was a real struggle for
him out there in past protection. Just could not quite
seem to get an anchor and found himself in Herbert's
lap against and and that's why I'm anxious to see
kind of how they want to do it, because you've
got Max Crosby, man, I know the Raider two and eight.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Just about to say so.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
Historically the two and eight and the Raiders always play
the Chargers. Yeah, Raiders always play the Chargers.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Good. Chargers, the Raiders good. Right.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
It's it's a historical rivalry, division rivals. They know each
other and no matter what record is on the board
for each team that when they play, it's going to
be it's gonna be a good.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
One, right, majority of the time. But are the Charges
better than the Raiders? They are? You have a better
ross than the Raiders.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
They do, coaching staff better, it is, but they have
to go out and prove it. It's not going to be
roll the ball out there once again and think we're
just going to beat the Raiders because we're seven and
four and we got big bad Herbie and our defense
is historically known to do well and we got the
best kicker in the National Football LEA.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
They have to put the work in.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Yeah, with those guys, how would you play it, Julio?
Would you with with Crosby and Kons and Wilson, you know,
just kind of rotating in there is that third rusher?
Would you rather go big, which they've done quite a
bit with with Tucker Fisk and Scott Matt Locke, or
would you rather spread it out and just run a
little bit more quick game against that secondary. What do
(36:10):
you think is more effective. Is it committing more resources
to trying to slow that down and putting less people
in the pattern, or do you think it's better to
put more people in the pattern and just try to
get that thing out there.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
I like, I think we can run the ball on them,
I think, but the Chargers can run the ball on them.
They're gonna want you to drop back and pass the ball.
That's what the Raiders are gonna want you to do.
Because of the offensive line struggling and because of Max Crosby.
When when you watched the first game, was it Pit
was lined up across from Crosby correct in the first game?
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Yes, yeah, they basically, and they wanted nothing to do
with Joald.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
Right, But Max didn't wreck the game either, No, he didn't.
He didn't wreck the game. Pit actually had a pretty
good outing and they were chipping him, slide into him.
So I think you look at the to answer your question, money,
I'm going in a circle. You look at, you know,
the first game, because you have that luxury of how
they attack them in the first game and what worked
well for us the first game, and you sprink a
(37:10):
little bit of that in there. But I also think
that at the end of the day, you run the
ball because I know we can run the ball on
their front two quick game screens, and then you let
our receivers who are better than their secondary go to work.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Right.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
So however that looks right, I'm not getting paid the
big bucks like g ro to make that game plan.
But I think that you can attack them balance, I
really do. But I think that you have to establish
the run so that you slow down a pass rusher
like Max Crosby and he doesn't have his ears pinned
back like, hey, I'm getting off this ball to go
get after Herbert. He has to actually sit down anchor
(37:44):
and force the ball back inside, which he's still really
stout against the run obviously, but I'd rather that than saying, hey, listen,
he knows his pass.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
He knows just a pass.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
Now it's a situation and he's just he's just barking
for that ball to be snap and then get back there.
So yeah, I think a balance attack has to be it,
but the run has to be established defense special teams
in a running game, and then that'll open up things
for Herbert in the offense.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
And I think that offensive line. You know, with the
bye week, they can really kind of dig in and
figure out what the right combo is. You know, is
a Jamari Sawyer left tackle, is it moving is it
moving Pip to left and having Trevor play right, you
know with McKay and get that, you know, six foot five,
you know, don't forget Trevor Penning's sixty seven, like he's
a big dude. So you can kind of try to
build that Joel McKay Beckton sort of thing on that
(38:36):
right side again, especially if a Marion's back right, and
see if you can sort of get that working. So
I I would be very surprised if it's just going
to be like, hey, let's try it again. I think
you're you're probably talking about an open competition at o
line trying to get some because you know what the
it's five fingers on a glove right. You've got to
get some cohesion and some chemistry there. And they've got
the extra days to do it. That's why. And like
(38:59):
I said, I think for me, I just I feel
like coach Minters has said it repeatedly.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Man, there's no scheme.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
It's all about my personnel and how I can put
those guys in the best position to succeed, and so
I think we'll see I'd be very surprised that we
didn't see a little bit more man on those receivers,
just because you know, as bash as a rookie talker's
got some speed, but you can muscle him around a
little bit, you know, with a guy like cam Hart
and not.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
Game planning for any receiver specific you're not rolling your
covers to any receiver. The biggest threat is Brock I just.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Throw I would you just throw Derwin on him? Right?
It's just like they used to do with Kelsey, just like,
hey Darwin.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
Right, But Durren held his own.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
So yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
And another thing I will say too, like when things.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
Don't go right, people like to point at the coaches
and being with that coaching staff, I know the kind
of work that they do, but a lot of.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
Times players got to make the plays come to life too.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Right, That's why I'm glad I brought up that that
that scheme that or that that formation. And I was like, man,
help me understand that. And for you to say, yeah, dude,
guy's supposed to be here and he's not.
Speaker 4 (40:09):
Yeah, like they could have coached that over and over
and walked throughs on Friday and Saturday, and then they
get onto the game and players don't execute right or
you know, they call the play and this is why
they paid.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
You got to get the coach out of that bad situation.
Make a play right.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
Players got to bring the play to life, is what
I'm saying. So it's it's everybody right. It's not just
the coaches, it's not just the players, but I think
as a whole, they need to get on the same page.
And when the coaches do call a bad play, because
they do, they're human, you got to bail them.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Out, right.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
And look, as I said, it's the same you know,
it's the same coaching staff that for the previous three
games had a defense that held their opponents in Minnesota,
Tennessee and Pittsburgh to less than nine points per game,
you know. And it's the same coaching staff that lit
up Pittsburgh for twenty five, Tennessee for twenty seven, in
Minnesota for thirty seven. So it's not like that this
(41:02):
has been a month long trend. It's a team that
it's a defense that beat the Chiefs, Raiders and Broncos
and back to back to back weeks, you know, and
it's an offense that was able to scheme it up
and beat the Chiefs and the Broncos and you know,
scheme up some plays and get some magic from Herbert
against Miami with forty seven seconds left, and so, you know,
(41:25):
I think as we wrap it, the one thing I'm
interested as well with these two weeks in the bye
week is trying to figure out some kickoff return and
just that's I feel like we've had one good kickoff
return all season long, and it was from a guy
who's not on the team anymore, Naehan Miller Hines, you know.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
In Miami.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
So yeah, so that's that's really the only big pop
that they've had all season long.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
So anxious to see what they do on that front.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
JK has been great, He had a great you know what,
there's one guy who played well against Jacksonville, JK Scott
at a great day punt and the punk coverage was
pretty darn good. So like you said, dig a hole
and uh or you know what, throw it over.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
The fence at uh.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Yeah, throw it over the fence at raytheon across the street.
They'll freaking light it up with machine gun fire or
something like that, and then just get.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
Back to it.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Look for exactly good time for a buye get these
guys healthy, especially if a Mari and Hampton's coming back. Man,
that's gonna change a lot, no doubt about it. So
appreciate you breaking it all down, Juliel. That's what That's
what we love having you here for. Man is just
making some sense of some stuff that to people like me,
you're you're trying to figure out and you don't quite understand,
(42:37):
and having you walk us through it helps helps a lot.
So hopefully that helped the people listening. If you could
only listen to the audio, remember it's available at chargers
dot com on video, and you'll see some of the
bad cinematography I put forth and trying to get that
thing to line up that Juli Leo was working with organically.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
It was organic, Okay, it was.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
It was That's what we do. We'll be back again
next week. Appreciate y'all. Be sure to rate, to like,
to leave a comment. We appreciate all that. We'll interact
with all of you, and we'll be back again next
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