January 24, 2025 • 24 mins
On this episode of Chargers Weekly, hosts Matt “Money” Smith & Chris Hayre recap the latest news involving LA and the entire NFL. The hosts are previewing the huge offseason upcoming for Head Coach Jim Harbaugh and General Manager Joe Hortiz, taking an early look at the 2025 NFL draft, discussing outside linebackers Joey Bosa and Khalil Mack’s futures, and making their predictions for the Championship round of the 2024 NFL playoffs featuring the Buffalo Bills vs the Kansas City Chiefs and the Philadelphia Eagles vs the Washington Commanders.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Late fifteen to ten touched up What's Up?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Guys.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Welcome into a brand new episode of Chargers Weekly. It's
Championship week in the NFL and muddy hard to believe.
Two weeks ago, we were preparing for a wildcard game
in Houston. Houston's already out of it final four now.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Yeah, and look, I think just looking back on that game,
as this is Chargers Weekly and we think about how
the Chargers could have ended up here, I firmly believe
what coach Harbaugh and general manager Joe Horti said, and
that's that this team could have traded punches with anyone.
And it's just getting that first win is always so
darned tough, especially when you're on the road and you're
trying to take crowd out of it and you're trying
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to build some momentum, and you know, you get a turnover,
you get a field goal on your first drive, and
it just doesn't feel like it's building like it might
have had you been it so far. And the crowd
is into it and they're piling on and here we
are the Chiefs. You know. Ever since Patrick Mahomes became
the starting quarterback in the AFC, championship game. Again, it
is remarkable and it's a reminder of how hard a
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hill this is to climb for any team in the
AFC West.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Especially when you, yeah, when you when you share a
division with the Chiefs, you know that you either if
you're a wildcard team, you're gonna have to win a
couple to get to where Patrick Mahomes Coviedy been in
the last seven seasons. I think the one theme with
these final four teams money they took care of the football,
and I think abodes well for the Charges because all
season they took care of the football, but they did
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not in the wildcard game. But you're looking at total
yards and time of possession, none of that really seems
to matter. Is to play the quarterback and turnovers and
that's something the Chargers were not able to accomplish in
the Wi Coole weekend.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
And look, I know it's gonna come, as you know,
a bias or belly aching or whatever, but I have
held this position forever. The idea that you have to
go on the road to play a game when you
have a better record than your opponent just doesn't sit
well with me. I am fine with winning a division
to punch your ticket into the tournament. But the idea
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that you have less wins and had a less successful
season than your opponent and you still get a home game,
it just doesn't work for me. I'm sorry, I think
that that they think they are that No, they will
not because and this is what's weird about it, is
they It's always been explained to me, because like I said,
I've been talking about this forever. It's always been explained
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to me as because look, they don't do a static bracket,
which is great, that's forward thinking, Like lowest seed always
plays the highest seed because that's the way it should be, right,
and you learn that top seed so you should always
have the best path for a successful regular season to
the super Bowl. But it's always been explained to me
that the owners want that twenty five percent shot at
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a home game for the playoffs because of the revenue.
They want to have a shot at a home game,
to which I would say, okay, well, now you have
three more slots where you have an opportunity to have
a home game, and not just one by winning the division.
If you could have a home game as a wild
card team, and if you are blocked by a team
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that's a juggernaut in your division, year in and year out,
you still have that opportunity. I just don't understand why
that debate has never been a pushback, because that's how
it's been explained to me, is they want the one
and four shot of the extra home game and the
revenue that a home game brings, because look, it's in
the millions of dollars. So I get that part of it,
but I just don't quite understand why. You know, Chargers
would have had two home games against Jacksonville and against
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and I think they would have a home game, No
they what was Baltimore in twenty eighteen. I know they
beat them head to head on that Saturday night er,
but I don't remember if they had twelve or eleven wins.
Like it's possible that the three playoff games we've been
in in the last eight years have all been on
the road with a better record.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Yeah, they would have had, I think, because they won
twelve games.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
They guys, so they would have won the tiebreaker because
they won the Saturday night game. But that's my point anyway.
So I bring it up not to belly ache, but
to build on what you're saying, take care of the football,
win the division, Like, win the division so you don't
have to go on the roads. You can have home
games in the playoffs because we got the one versus
the two, and now obviously we have a six seed
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in the Commanders, but they're just getting absolutely ridiculous play.
You know, arguably the best rookie quarterback performance we've ever
seen in the history of the NFL if he ends
up finishing this thing off and getting to the to
the super Bowl. So that's the other thing. Yeah, I
would I would mention take care of the football, win
the division.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Yeah, some home games the Lions too, you know, win
fifteen games, but a plus five turnover differential on that
game and too.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Just to and we saw that coming.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Yeah, to piggyback on that though money like Minnesota would
have had a home game.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Against the Rams, That's what I mean. And the Rams
you had.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
To play in Arizona, you know, which is obviously a
special situation. But yeah, that's that's just one of the
things that I've thought about over the last several years.
When you see, you know, a division winner that's like
seven and eight two, sometimes it's like, well, why do
they get a home game, right or right?
Speaker 1 (05:01):
I guess now you have said a ten eighty.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Nine, yeah, eight nine now or nine and eight or
whatever it is. And look, I think the thing with
the you know, with the Lions and where it separates
from the Chargers is we saw that coming, like you
can't have that defense and expect to beat playoff teams,
you know, and then when you compound that with an
offense that's not the buzz saw that it had been
all year, and you're trying to win games forty five,
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thirty eight, forty eight, forty five, and that's the only
way you're going to get out of it. That's how
it was going to look. And it was going to
look that way against the Buccaneers, it was going to
look that way against the Rams, whichever team went in there.
That's probably how that was going to turn out for
the Chargers. On the flip side, it's like, we're playing
our best football. If we can get all three phases
to play at peak, then this is a team that
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has an opportunity to win any game they play in
the postseason. But you had to get complimentary football, and
they didn't get it from two thirds, you know, they
got it from the defense. For I don't care what
the number says. You know that it was over a
thirty point you know, performance from the Houston Texans, but
that that's not indicative of what the defense did that day.
Special teams and the offense unfortunately, you know, did not
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play at the level I thought the defense did well.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
I thought Darwin said a best has the beauty of
the NFL playoffs.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
It's not a seven game series, so you don't have
a chance to go back out there and avenge of
loss right after losing. And you know, the Chargers had
that one opportunity and it didn't swing their way. And
here we are some Chargers news. Khalil Mack, who we
did not know if he was going to come back
to the NFL. He is going to return to the NFL.
So whether or not he's in Powder Blue is another story.
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But I think it's a good sign, good first step
the Khalil max A coming back to the NFL, and
you hope it's with the Chargers.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Yeah, most definitely. I mean, look, you heard what coach
Minner had to say about him, Coach Elston had to
say about them, Coach Harbaugh, Joe Ortiz, every player absolutely
admires the guy. He's a leader on this team. He
sets the tone and he was a huge part of
the number one scoring defense in the NFL. Why wouldn't
you want it back? And obviously he's someone who really
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likes it here or else, he wouldn't have taken the
pay cut going into the twenty twenty four season. So
and bringing him back, can you know, can cure a
lot Well, I shouldn't say cure can help a lot
of things. Is it takes you know, one less need
off the board, you know, And if you consider the
relationship with he and Joey and how close the two
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of them are, whether or not that means that, you know,
Joey's not going to come back for thirty six million bucks,
that's you know, that's obviously going to have to be
worked out. Is it worked out on an extension? Is
it worked out where he doesn't come back? You know?
But that's so if Khalil's coming back, and he's coming
back on a solid number, it'll be interesting because Joey
has said, look, I've made so much money in my career.
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I like it here, I like I want to play
with Khalil Max. So that's and if you have that
and then you keep your debt because Bud Deprie's on
a two year deal, two ll he's on his rookie deal.
Then you bring back the same edge rushers from the
regular season for you know, and at times it was dominant.
It started to tail off a little bit toward the
back end of the year, but then it popped again
in those final two weeks and felt really good going
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in to that postgame, to the to the postseason. So
him wanting to come back to me feels like maybe
there was a conversation. He's got little kids, you know,
do you want to uproot your family and go live
somewhere for one year because you can make an extra
I mean, I don't. Look, I'm never gonna besmirch a
guy for wanting to make an extra million dollars in
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the final year of his career. Yeah, So I think he.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Wasn't win a Super Bowl everything, and this could be
the place to do it.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah. I think if he feels that way, if it
feels like this is probably the team with the least
likely chance to win a Super Bowl during Jim Harbaugh
and Joe Ortiz's tenure together, based on what they were
faced with the roster construction that they put together. You know,
I know the schedule helped. It was a last place schedule,
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so that always helps. Looks a little more daunting next year,
but it's going to be a better team next year.
If you feel like, hey, this roster is only going
to be better, and it might not be incrementally better,
it might be dramatically better next year, then you're right.
Khalil very well may want to come back here.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Coincidentally, Joey Bosa replaces him in the in the Pro
Bowl games you just mentioned. Obviously, Joey's cap number is
very big, and that's going to be something that needs
to be worked out this offseason. Another player made the
headlines this week as a finalist for Comeback Player of
the Year, JK Dobbins.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
That's another guy who is a free agent this year
who I think did himself a world of good with
his performance this year, overcoming all those injuries and you
hope he's back Impowderable.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Yeah, Look, he was great. You know, had the little
month in the middle there where basically why he was
a veteran minimum free agent, you know, showed up, and
that's injury and that's always going to be the concern.
But you can't deny the talent. I mean it's someone
that we preached about in the preseason and in the office,
I should say, the offseason about the perfect guy for
the Chargers to sign, to take a flyer on and
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absolutely deliver. It's it'll be interesting because it's a deep
running back draft. And when you you know, you talked
about the final you know the teams that made the
Final four, and you know, you see the Commanders, it's
a running quarterback. You see the Eagles, it's Saquon Barkley.
I mean they threw for sixty nine yards against the
Rams and then they scored over thirty points. So that
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line and the offensive line, So I think that's sort
of what has to be determined, is what. You know,
we thought this was go every year we go in,
we think it's going to be the year the Chargers
have a great running offense, right, Greg Roman and Dobbins
and Edwards and Alton Slater and Bradley Boseman so much
better going forward than he is coming back. So like,
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how you know that this could be the end? It
just didn't you know it was? It was there at
first when you had JK kind of humming and you
saw the you know, as we talk about, repeatedly take
him to the deep end and then pull him under
in the fourth quarter. There was a lot of that,
but there was also I think enough to when you
think about sort of the run game disappearing at times
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when it needed to continue or at least perform its best,
whether or not they want to see if there's a
premier rusher, you know in the draft that they would
take in the first two rounds. Whether Genty's sitting there,
I don't think he'll make it to twenty two, but
Henderson's you know from Ohio State. He is so explosive.
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You know, there's enough guys that maybe you could see
them going that path.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Give me scataboun day two.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Yeah, I know that's obviously it would be fun. But
I'm you know, look, I love the guy, absolutely love
the guy, but I don't think he's the lead back.
Like he's not your lead back like Genty Henderson, those
guys are your lead backs.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Good. The good thing about this draft here is very
deep at the running back position, and JK the way
he performed at the beginning of the year obviously he
got hurt.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
But if you improve.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
The interior offensive line, it's year two with coach Harball,
that's gonna make the running game better anyway. But I
do think that if you do bring JK back, you
have to have another back that you could really bring
any kum out of idel in year two, right, could
be somebody, but I think someone in the draft could
be very important to Jim Harball's offense in general just
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running the football.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Yeah. Well, and look, the thing with JK is he's
great in pass pro. I know it. You know, got
away from him a little bit on a couple snaps
there against the Texans, but it was just kind of
that that starting snowballing on that team when it came
to pass protection and the amount of pressure that they
were able to dial up. But JK is a great
pass pro back and that's what you absolutely have to have.
You know, you see that from coach Harbaugh and from
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what Georgie's values is if you're not good in pass pro,
you're not going to get on the field. So that's
where the whole JK. Let's get him back and you
know what you're getting there, and that's certainly valuable for
this team, and rookies tend to struggle in that which
is understandable. You don't necessarily have your man strength yet
and your two hundred and five pounds to two hundred
and fifteen pounds, and there's a two hundred and thirty
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five pound or two hundred and sixty five pound defensive
player running full speed at you, and you're expected to
slow down. It's not an easy task. It's a very
hard thing for backs to learn to do, to understand
how to accept and receive that sort of pressure and
that sort of strength and redirect it or a stone
it if you're a special back. And so that's where
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sort of the question about a rookie versus e vet
comes in, and it'll make the JK situation interesting for sure.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Yeah, we're going to talk about the draft at nauseum
of the next several months. But someone did ask a
question to Money that I wanted to get in here
talking about the mock draft and how all over the
place it is edge, tight end, running back, wide receiver.
What do you think the charge could do as we
sit here at the end of January number twenty two.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Overall, I think it'll be to me, it's it's again
a testament to Joe Ortiz and Chad Alexander and that
whole staff, you know, James like Person and Kevin Kelly
and all of them, that they're in a best position,
best player available position. You know, I think you can
and if you want to take you know, the again,
if you want to try to get the number one
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guard off the board and fix the you know, and
help that interior of the line. Based on who's a
free agent and what's available, there's guards that are valuable
in that position. I think you're probably you know, wide receiver.
It's deep and it's a little bit top heavy, you know,
starting with t Mac. You know, the tight ends are interesting.
There's a ton of mock drafts that have obviously lovelin
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coming here because the relationship with coach Harbaugh and how
we'd love to see Justin get that sort of down
the seam field stretching tight end.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Warren from Penn State.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
He'll be gone, He'll be long gone. He is going
to blow up the combine. He is so he is
an absolute gronk like freak. People don't realize how big
he is, how athletic he is, how versatile he is.
He will be gone. Everyone. There's a reason why everyone's
got him going to the Colts because it's just got
Shane Stike and written all over it. And how he
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would use him when you think about how he used
Hunter Henry when he was here Justin's rookie year, how
valuable Hunter was, what he was doing in Philadelphia with Goddard,
and how valuable he was with Jalen Hurtz. Like that's
just such a perfect match for them. Look, if he's
there at twenty two, I'd have no doubt. But you've
got depth at defensive end, you've got depth at corner.
So like any of those, as this process starts to
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shake itself out, I think that's the benefit is it's
not you know, like the year they took Q two
years ago, we knew it was going to be a
pass catcher. It was just lined up to be that way.
It's like, oh, yeah, look at how deep this position is,
whether it's Smith and Jigber Flowers or Johnston or dalton
Ka or Addison or Laporta, Like you just knew that's
what that was going to be because it was just
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a little bit more valuable than the other positions that
were there. I don't feel that way this year. You know,
just first glance, as I'm starting to dig into it
before we head down to the combine, it looks like
there's a lot of depth that a lot of positions
that the Chargers can use.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Let's just spin it.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Back to the conference championship games too, and you know,
we talk about these who the top five quarterbacks in
the NFL.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
It seems like it's just it's.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Very top heavy in the AFC right now, with Burrow
not even in the playoffs, with obviously Mahomes and Allen.
In the conference championship game we saw Labar and what
a great game that was in Buffalo last week. What
has the playoffs specifically in the AFC kind of not
taught you, but like you could store away and maybe
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kind of spin it forward to the Chargers in an
effort to get to where the Ravens are, to where
the Bills and the Chiefs are next year, because it
seemed like when we saw the Chargers against the Ravens
the first time, it just felt like they were maybe
a year away, and then it got better and then unfortunately,
you know, I don't think we were expecting what we
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saw in Houston, but it seems like they're close money,
but you're gonna have to go through a gauntlet of quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Ye for me, you know, I think it's sort of
the way I felt walking out of that game against Houston.
And look, you mentioned at the turnover is so uncharacteristic
and it was odd and you don't ever expect to
see that, but it was there, and a lot of
it was there because of the pressure up front. And
I think for me, I knew going into that game
that Houston had, you know, one of the best pressure
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fronts in the league and two guys that were the
highest pressure rate edges, but I felt like it could
be nullified by by Rashawan and Joe and Slater was
sensational as always in that game, but they found some
weak spots. And so for me, for the Chargers, I
think it's what coaches always preached, that it starts up front,
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you know, And and look it worked for him against
against CJ. Straut as well until the final five minutes
and that you know, I was a third and sixteen
where that wacky snap led to a busted play and
they got their first touchdown. Prior to that, they were
in his lap, there was pressure, he couldn't get the
ball off. Rolts weren't able to develop for Nico. So
that still holds, right, is it starts with those frontsion
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in this division against Patrick Mahomes. You saw what they
were able to do to Patrick Mahomes that the numbers
in that Texans Chiefs game are crazy, Like you just
walk out of it and go, how did they lose
this game? When you look at you know, the pressure rates,
the quarterback hits, the amount of yards they were getting
on offense, and they just could not capitalize on all
of that. So I think for the charges, it's more
of just yeah, you're just you're following the leader. Man.
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It's exactly what coach and ge Ortiz have laid out
for what they believe is the is the path to success,
and it's more of that. And I think it's also
I think it's living up to what we think their
reputation is, and that's to be the most physical team
that's on the field in any game. And I don't
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think that was necessarily the case in Houston. Houston was
able to really get after it, and I tip my captain.
Then they played a heck of a game But to me,
that's it, that's gonna be their identity. It's upfront, it's
beating a snot out of you, and it's winning a
game at probably tight games late you know, there's not
going to be a lot of blowout because of the
way they want to play running the football and you know,
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to steal another phrase from coach, you know, performing your
best when your best is required. I think that's that's
how they, you know, get to the Super Bowl next season.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
For me, I the floor of this Jim Harball team
was this year and it was eleven games, and you
look at the top five in cap space.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
The Chargers are. The opportunity to get more compis this year.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
I just I think with a full season of Hardball
and Ortiz, the culture is set. It's a team like
Washington that gives a lot of teams hope, But I
give the Chargers hope in that Hey, you are eleven
wins this year. Now you have an opportunity to further
build this roster, make it in the image of Jim Harball.
You have your franchise quarterback in tow The only challenge
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is that you got Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson and Patrick
Mahost twice. Yeah, you know, and that's that's the biggest hurdle.
I think that and that comes in January, and I
think a myriad of things have to happen. We've seen
in all these playoff games. It's one from the CJ.
Stroud wacky fubbled snap to you know what we saw
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in Washington and Detroit last Saturday night. It's one or
two plays that'll flip everything. But I do think the
Chargers are in a magnificent position, being that eleven games
was your floor and now who knows what's gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Look, I'll finish with this like to me, it's the
defense created three turnovers. You know, they scored three points
off three turnovers, so that the opportunities presented themselves. That's
what you want to do in those playoff games is
win the turnover battle. Now they didn't do that, but
the defense provided an opportunity for them to do that.
Do we think this defense is going to be Do
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we think it's going to be better on paper or
worse on paper next year? I think it's gonna be
better on paper next year. Considering how many rookies they played,
guys that were just getting settled in, like Elijah Molden,
some of the injuries they had to deal with, comfortability
with you know, if they bring these guys back, and
I think they will, and Poon Afford and tier Tart
and then like you said, the draft picks you're talking about.
Last year they had seven picks, just one in each round.
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No comp picks. This year they're probably going to get
into that thing with ten. It looks like, you know,
maybe an extra five and extra six and extra seven.
And now you've got sixty three to you know, seventy
million dollars worth of money to spend. And really the
only big ticket that you got to worry about is
Rashaan Slater. I mean, big big ticket that you've got
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to worry about. Where you know, twenty million plus so
you got so you've.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Got two starting corners in the fifth.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Round, like tar Heep still cam parton year two. We
didn't even really talk about Junior Colson this year. No,
it's another.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Guy the whole year.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Yeah, who if he's healthy.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
I mean just think of like those three positions in
year two, giving those guys back. Knowing what the NFL
is all about, I don't know, man, I have a
you always have high hopes, and of course it's Chargers weekly,
so we have high hopes. But the fact that Joe
Ortiz hit on all those guys in the back half,
not to mention Lad McConkey, who's still like number two
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in the playoffs and receiving guarcians I've been played in
two weeks.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
And of course Joe.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Walt Yeah no, he knocked it out of the park
with the draft, and you expect him to do it
again because he did it every year in Baltimore too,
So it's like, you know you're gonna get players that
will contribute immediately through through that process, You've now got
money to spend. When he had almost no money to spend,
he found players like we mentioned, pun Aford, Tier Tart,
Denzel Perriman, Bud Dupree, Like you cannot. I can't over
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sell how big Elijah Molden was for this team. I
would be absolutely floored if he is not back next year.
And to have that three safety tandem of a Loewie,
Elijah and Derwin like that's so instrumental to what Jesse
Minner wants to do to be able to keep those
too high. Put a cap on it have Durwin running
free all over the place as a slot, as a
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as a dimebacker, as a freaking d end at times
like That's so you've got that locked up. Deayon should
be in the Pro Bowl. It's it's a crime that
he's not. And you know Tooley's gonna take another We
can just this is just name salad. But yes, I
feel very good about where they are. I'll leave it
at that.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Your picks for Sunday get you out of here.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
I mean, I think it's the same it. Look, it's
just what I want. It's it's Buffalo and Washington. It
would be nineteen Yeah, that would be beyond exciting, you know,
to have those two teams in there, you know, seeing
history perhaps being made by a rookie in Washington, and
they you know, and look, I know they're a competitor
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and they're a team that could stand in the way.
And once they win a Super Bowl, maybe they get
all this confidence and you would probably not like to
see that. But I just like Josh Allen, you know,
I do. I like them. I like the way the
Bills are run. I love that fan base. It's such
a fun place to go. They're always super cool to
us whenever we're out there. So yeah, that's what I want.
I do not want to see the Chiefs in the
Super Bowl. I want to see them lose miserably, you know,
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but whatever. That's that's that's how most of football America feels,
you know. I remember when they were playing the Patriots
and the the d Ford off sides.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
I was up.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
I was really upset. I'm like, this is ridiculous, the
Patriots and the stupid you know. So it's just it's
funny how far we've come because that's what the Chiefs
have turned into.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Yeah, New Orleans would be a heck of a lot
more fun if Buffalo and Washington were in that game,
no doubt. That's that's my pick too. I'm going with
my heart though, too, because the reason I'm even in
football is because of my love for that team in
Washington and growing up. So we'll see what happens for buddy,
I'm Chris. This has been charges weekly.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
We'll see next week.
Late fifteen to ten touched up What's Up?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Guys.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Welcome into a brand new episode of Chargers Weekly. It's
Championship week in the NFL and muddy hard to believe.
Two weeks ago, we were preparing for a wildcard game
in Houston. Houston's already out of it final four now.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Yeah, and look, I think just looking back on that game,
as this is Chargers Weekly and we think about how
the Chargers could have ended up here, I firmly believe
what coach Harbaugh and general manager Joe Horti said, and
that's that this team could have traded punches with anyone.
And it's just getting that first win is always so
darned tough, especially when you're on the road and you're
trying to take crowd out of it and you're trying
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to build some momentum, and you know, you get a turnover,
you get a field goal on your first drive, and
it just doesn't feel like it's building like it might
have had you been it so far. And the crowd
is into it and they're piling on and here we
are the Chiefs. You know. Ever since Patrick Mahomes became
the starting quarterback in the AFC, championship game. Again, it
is remarkable and it's a reminder of how hard a
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hill this is to climb for any team in the
AFC West.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Especially when you, yeah, when you when you share a
division with the Chiefs, you know that you either if
you're a wildcard team, you're gonna have to win a
couple to get to where Patrick Mahomes Coviedy been in
the last seven seasons. I think the one theme with
these final four teams money they took care of the football,
and I think abodes well for the Charges because all
season they took care of the football, but they did
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not in the wildcard game. But you're looking at total
yards and time of possession, none of that really seems
to matter. Is to play the quarterback and turnovers and
that's something the Chargers were not able to accomplish in
the Wi Coole weekend.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
And look, I know it's gonna come, as you know,
a bias or belly aching or whatever, but I have
held this position forever. The idea that you have to
go on the road to play a game when you
have a better record than your opponent just doesn't sit
well with me. I am fine with winning a division
to punch your ticket into the tournament. But the idea
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that you have less wins and had a less successful
season than your opponent and you still get a home game,
it just doesn't work for me. I'm sorry, I think
that that they think they are that No, they will
not because and this is what's weird about it, is
they It's always been explained to me, because like I said,
I've been talking about this forever. It's always been explained
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to me as because look, they don't do a static bracket,
which is great, that's forward thinking, Like lowest seed always
plays the highest seed because that's the way it should be, right,
and you learn that top seed so you should always
have the best path for a successful regular season to
the super Bowl. But it's always been explained to me
that the owners want that twenty five percent shot at
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a home game for the playoffs because of the revenue.
They want to have a shot at a home game,
to which I would say, okay, well, now you have
three more slots where you have an opportunity to have
a home game, and not just one by winning the division.
If you could have a home game as a wild
card team, and if you are blocked by a team
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that's a juggernaut in your division, year in and year out,
you still have that opportunity. I just don't understand why
that debate has never been a pushback, because that's how
it's been explained to me, is they want the one
and four shot of the extra home game and the
revenue that a home game brings, because look, it's in
the millions of dollars. So I get that part of it,
but I just don't quite understand why. You know, Chargers
would have had two home games against Jacksonville and against
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and I think they would have a home game, No
they what was Baltimore in twenty eighteen. I know they
beat them head to head on that Saturday night er,
but I don't remember if they had twelve or eleven wins.
Like it's possible that the three playoff games we've been
in in the last eight years have all been on
the road with a better record.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Yeah, they would have had, I think, because they won
twelve games.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
They guys, so they would have won the tiebreaker because
they won the Saturday night game. But that's my point anyway.
So I bring it up not to belly ache, but
to build on what you're saying, take care of the football,
win the division, Like, win the division so you don't
have to go on the roads. You can have home
games in the playoffs because we got the one versus
the two, and now obviously we have a six seed
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in the Commanders, but they're just getting absolutely ridiculous play.
You know, arguably the best rookie quarterback performance we've ever
seen in the history of the NFL if he ends
up finishing this thing off and getting to the to
the super Bowl. So that's the other thing. Yeah, I
would I would mention take care of the football, win
the division.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Yeah, some home games the Lions too, you know, win
fifteen games, but a plus five turnover differential on that
game and too.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Just to and we saw that coming.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Yeah, to piggyback on that though money like Minnesota would
have had a home game.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Against the Rams, That's what I mean. And the Rams
you had.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
To play in Arizona, you know, which is obviously a
special situation. But yeah, that's that's just one of the
things that I've thought about over the last several years.
When you see, you know, a division winner that's like
seven and eight two, sometimes it's like, well, why do
they get a home game, right or right?
Speaker 1 (05:01):
I guess now you have said a ten eighty.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Nine, yeah, eight nine now or nine and eight or
whatever it is. And look, I think the thing with
the you know, with the Lions and where it separates
from the Chargers is we saw that coming, like you
can't have that defense and expect to beat playoff teams,
you know, and then when you compound that with an
offense that's not the buzz saw that it had been
all year, and you're trying to win games forty five,
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thirty eight, forty eight, forty five, and that's the only
way you're going to get out of it. That's how
it was going to look. And it was going to
look that way against the Buccaneers, it was going to
look that way against the Rams, whichever team went in there.
That's probably how that was going to turn out for
the Chargers. On the flip side, it's like, we're playing
our best football. If we can get all three phases
to play at peak, then this is a team that
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has an opportunity to win any game they play in
the postseason. But you had to get complimentary football, and
they didn't get it from two thirds, you know, they
got it from the defense. For I don't care what
the number says. You know that it was over a
thirty point you know, performance from the Houston Texans, but
that that's not indicative of what the defense did that day.
Special teams and the offense unfortunately, you know, did not
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play at the level I thought the defense did well.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
I thought Darwin said a best has the beauty of
the NFL playoffs.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
It's not a seven game series, so you don't have
a chance to go back out there and avenge of
loss right after losing. And you know, the Chargers had
that one opportunity and it didn't swing their way. And
here we are some Chargers news. Khalil Mack, who we
did not know if he was going to come back
to the NFL. He is going to return to the NFL.
So whether or not he's in Powder Blue is another story.
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But I think it's a good sign, good first step
the Khalil max A coming back to the NFL, and
you hope it's with the Chargers.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Yeah, most definitely. I mean, look, you heard what coach
Minner had to say about him, Coach Elston had to
say about them, Coach Harbaugh, Joe Ortiz, every player absolutely
admires the guy. He's a leader on this team. He
sets the tone and he was a huge part of
the number one scoring defense in the NFL. Why wouldn't
you want it back? And obviously he's someone who really
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likes it here or else, he wouldn't have taken the
pay cut going into the twenty twenty four season. So
and bringing him back, can you know, can cure a
lot Well, I shouldn't say cure can help a lot
of things. Is it takes you know, one less need
off the board, you know, And if you consider the
relationship with he and Joey and how close the two
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of them are, whether or not that means that, you know,
Joey's not going to come back for thirty six million bucks,
that's you know, that's obviously going to have to be
worked out. Is it worked out on an extension? Is
it worked out where he doesn't come back? You know?
But that's so if Khalil's coming back, and he's coming
back on a solid number, it'll be interesting because Joey
has said, look, I've made so much money in my career.
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I like it here, I like I want to play
with Khalil Max. So that's and if you have that
and then you keep your debt because Bud Deprie's on
a two year deal, two ll he's on his rookie deal.
Then you bring back the same edge rushers from the
regular season for you know, and at times it was dominant.
It started to tail off a little bit toward the
back end of the year, but then it popped again
in those final two weeks and felt really good going
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in to that postgame, to the to the postseason. So
him wanting to come back to me feels like maybe
there was a conversation. He's got little kids, you know,
do you want to uproot your family and go live
somewhere for one year because you can make an extra
I mean, I don't. Look, I'm never gonna besmirch a
guy for wanting to make an extra million dollars in
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the final year of his career. Yeah, So I think he.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Wasn't win a Super Bowl everything, and this could be
the place to do it.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah. I think if he feels that way, if it
feels like this is probably the team with the least
likely chance to win a Super Bowl during Jim Harbaugh
and Joe Ortiz's tenure together, based on what they were
faced with the roster construction that they put together. You know,
I know the schedule helped. It was a last place schedule,
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so that always helps. Looks a little more daunting next year,
but it's going to be a better team next year.
If you feel like, hey, this roster is only going
to be better, and it might not be incrementally better,
it might be dramatically better next year, then you're right.
Khalil very well may want to come back here.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Coincidentally, Joey Bosa replaces him in the in the Pro
Bowl games you just mentioned. Obviously, Joey's cap number is
very big, and that's going to be something that needs
to be worked out this offseason. Another player made the
headlines this week as a finalist for Comeback Player of
the Year, JK Dobbins.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
That's another guy who is a free agent this year
who I think did himself a world of good with
his performance this year, overcoming all those injuries and you
hope he's back Impowderable.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Yeah, Look, he was great. You know, had the little
month in the middle there where basically why he was
a veteran minimum free agent, you know, showed up, and
that's injury and that's always going to be the concern.
But you can't deny the talent. I mean it's someone
that we preached about in the preseason and in the office,
I should say, the offseason about the perfect guy for
the Chargers to sign, to take a flyer on and
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absolutely deliver. It's it'll be interesting because it's a deep
running back draft. And when you you know, you talked
about the final you know the teams that made the
Final four, and you know, you see the Commanders, it's
a running quarterback. You see the Eagles, it's Saquon Barkley.
I mean they threw for sixty nine yards against the
Rams and then they scored over thirty points. So that
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line and the offensive line, So I think that's sort
of what has to be determined, is what. You know,
we thought this was go every year we go in,
we think it's going to be the year the Chargers
have a great running offense, right, Greg Roman and Dobbins
and Edwards and Alton Slater and Bradley Boseman so much
better going forward than he is coming back. So like,
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how you know that this could be the end? It
just didn't you know it was? It was there at
first when you had JK kind of humming and you
saw the you know, as we talk about, repeatedly take
him to the deep end and then pull him under
in the fourth quarter. There was a lot of that,
but there was also I think enough to when you
think about sort of the run game disappearing at times
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when it needed to continue or at least perform its best,
whether or not they want to see if there's a
premier rusher, you know in the draft that they would
take in the first two rounds. Whether Genty's sitting there,
I don't think he'll make it to twenty two, but
Henderson's you know from Ohio State. He is so explosive.
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You know, there's enough guys that maybe you could see
them going that path.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Give me scataboun day two.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Yeah, I know that's obviously it would be fun. But
I'm you know, look, I love the guy, absolutely love
the guy, but I don't think he's the lead back.
Like he's not your lead back like Genty Henderson, those
guys are your lead backs.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Good. The good thing about this draft here is very
deep at the running back position, and JK the way
he performed at the beginning of the year obviously he
got hurt.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
But if you improve.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
The interior offensive line, it's year two with coach Harball,
that's gonna make the running game better anyway. But I
do think that if you do bring JK back, you
have to have another back that you could really bring
any kum out of idel in year two, right, could
be somebody, but I think someone in the draft could
be very important to Jim Harball's offense in general just
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running the football.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Yeah. Well, and look, the thing with JK is he's
great in pass pro. I know it. You know, got
away from him a little bit on a couple snaps
there against the Texans, but it was just kind of
that that starting snowballing on that team when it came
to pass protection and the amount of pressure that they
were able to dial up. But JK is a great
pass pro back and that's what you absolutely have to have.
You know, you see that from coach Harbaugh and from
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what Georgie's values is if you're not good in pass pro,
you're not going to get on the field. So that's
where the whole JK. Let's get him back and you
know what you're getting there, and that's certainly valuable for
this team, and rookies tend to struggle in that which
is understandable. You don't necessarily have your man strength yet
and your two hundred and five pounds to two hundred
and fifteen pounds, and there's a two hundred and thirty
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five pound or two hundred and sixty five pound defensive
player running full speed at you, and you're expected to
slow down. It's not an easy task. It's a very
hard thing for backs to learn to do, to understand
how to accept and receive that sort of pressure and
that sort of strength and redirect it or a stone
it if you're a special back. And so that's where
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sort of the question about a rookie versus e vet
comes in, and it'll make the JK situation interesting for sure.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Yeah, we're going to talk about the draft at nauseum
of the next several months. But someone did ask a
question to Money that I wanted to get in here
talking about the mock draft and how all over the
place it is edge, tight end, running back, wide receiver.
What do you think the charge could do as we
sit here at the end of January number twenty two.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Overall, I think it'll be to me, it's it's again
a testament to Joe Ortiz and Chad Alexander and that
whole staff, you know, James like Person and Kevin Kelly
and all of them, that they're in a best position,
best player available position. You know, I think you can
and if you want to take you know, the again,
if you want to try to get the number one
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guard off the board and fix the you know, and
help that interior of the line. Based on who's a
free agent and what's available, there's guards that are valuable
in that position. I think you're probably you know, wide receiver.
It's deep and it's a little bit top heavy, you know,
starting with t Mac. You know, the tight ends are interesting.
There's a ton of mock drafts that have obviously lovelin
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coming here because the relationship with coach Harbaugh and how
we'd love to see Justin get that sort of down
the seam field stretching tight end.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Warren from Penn State.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
He'll be gone, He'll be long gone. He is going
to blow up the combine. He is so he is
an absolute gronk like freak. People don't realize how big
he is, how athletic he is, how versatile he is.
He will be gone. Everyone. There's a reason why everyone's
got him going to the Colts because it's just got
Shane Stike and written all over it. And how he
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would use him when you think about how he used
Hunter Henry when he was here Justin's rookie year, how
valuable Hunter was, what he was doing in Philadelphia with Goddard,
and how valuable he was with Jalen Hurtz. Like that's
just such a perfect match for them. Look, if he's
there at twenty two, I'd have no doubt. But you've
got depth at defensive end, you've got depth at corner.
So like any of those, as this process starts to
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shake itself out, I think that's the benefit is it's
not you know, like the year they took Q two
years ago, we knew it was going to be a
pass catcher. It was just lined up to be that way.
It's like, oh, yeah, look at how deep this position is,
whether it's Smith and Jigber Flowers or Johnston or dalton
Ka or Addison or Laporta, Like you just knew that's
what that was going to be because it was just
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a little bit more valuable than the other positions that
were there. I don't feel that way this year. You know,
just first glance, as I'm starting to dig into it
before we head down to the combine, it looks like
there's a lot of depth that a lot of positions
that the Chargers can use.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Let's just spin it.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Back to the conference championship games too, and you know,
we talk about these who the top five quarterbacks in
the NFL.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
It seems like it's just it's.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Very top heavy in the AFC right now, with Burrow
not even in the playoffs, with obviously Mahomes and Allen.
In the conference championship game we saw Labar and what
a great game that was in Buffalo last week. What
has the playoffs specifically in the AFC kind of not
taught you, but like you could store away and maybe
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kind of spin it forward to the Chargers in an
effort to get to where the Ravens are, to where
the Bills and the Chiefs are next year, because it
seemed like when we saw the Chargers against the Ravens
the first time, it just felt like they were maybe
a year away, and then it got better and then unfortunately,
you know, I don't think we were expecting what we
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saw in Houston, but it seems like they're close money,
but you're gonna have to go through a gauntlet of quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Ye for me, you know, I think it's sort of
the way I felt walking out of that game against Houston.
And look, you mentioned at the turnover is so uncharacteristic
and it was odd and you don't ever expect to
see that, but it was there, and a lot of
it was there because of the pressure up front. And
I think for me, I knew going into that game
that Houston had, you know, one of the best pressure
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fronts in the league and two guys that were the
highest pressure rate edges, but I felt like it could
be nullified by by Rashawan and Joe and Slater was
sensational as always in that game, but they found some
weak spots. And so for me, for the Chargers, I
think it's what coaches always preached, that it starts up front,
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you know, And and look it worked for him against
against CJ. Straut as well until the final five minutes
and that you know, I was a third and sixteen
where that wacky snap led to a busted play and
they got their first touchdown. Prior to that, they were
in his lap, there was pressure, he couldn't get the
ball off. Rolts weren't able to develop for Nico. So
that still holds, right, is it starts with those frontsion
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in this division against Patrick Mahomes. You saw what they
were able to do to Patrick Mahomes that the numbers
in that Texans Chiefs game are crazy, Like you just
walk out of it and go, how did they lose
this game? When you look at you know, the pressure rates,
the quarterback hits, the amount of yards they were getting
on offense, and they just could not capitalize on all
of that. So I think for the charges, it's more
of just yeah, you're just you're following the leader. Man.
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It's exactly what coach and ge Ortiz have laid out
for what they believe is the is the path to success,
and it's more of that. And I think it's also
I think it's living up to what we think their
reputation is, and that's to be the most physical team
that's on the field in any game. And I don't
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think that was necessarily the case in Houston. Houston was
able to really get after it, and I tip my captain.
Then they played a heck of a game But to me,
that's it, that's gonna be their identity. It's upfront, it's
beating a snot out of you, and it's winning a
game at probably tight games late you know, there's not
going to be a lot of blowout because of the
way they want to play running the football and you know,
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to steal another phrase from coach, you know, performing your
best when your best is required. I think that's that's
how they, you know, get to the Super Bowl next season.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
For me, I the floor of this Jim Harball team
was this year and it was eleven games, and you
look at the top five in cap space.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
The Chargers are. The opportunity to get more compis this year.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
I just I think with a full season of Hardball
and Ortiz, the culture is set. It's a team like
Washington that gives a lot of teams hope, But I
give the Chargers hope in that Hey, you are eleven
wins this year. Now you have an opportunity to further
build this roster, make it in the image of Jim Harball.
You have your franchise quarterback in tow The only challenge
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is that you got Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson and Patrick
Mahost twice. Yeah, you know, and that's that's the biggest hurdle.
I think that and that comes in January, and I
think a myriad of things have to happen. We've seen
in all these playoff games. It's one from the CJ.
Stroud wacky fubbled snap to you know what we saw
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in Washington and Detroit last Saturday night. It's one or
two plays that'll flip everything. But I do think the
Chargers are in a magnificent position, being that eleven games
was your floor and now who knows what's gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Look, I'll finish with this like to me, it's the
defense created three turnovers. You know, they scored three points
off three turnovers, so that the opportunities presented themselves. That's
what you want to do in those playoff games is
win the turnover battle. Now they didn't do that, but
the defense provided an opportunity for them to do that.
Do we think this defense is going to be Do
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we think it's going to be better on paper or
worse on paper next year? I think it's gonna be
better on paper next year. Considering how many rookies they played,
guys that were just getting settled in, like Elijah Molden,
some of the injuries they had to deal with, comfortability
with you know, if they bring these guys back, and
I think they will, and Poon Afford and tier Tart
and then like you said, the draft picks you're talking about.
Last year they had seven picks, just one in each round.
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No comp picks. This year they're probably going to get
into that thing with ten. It looks like, you know,
maybe an extra five and extra six and extra seven.
And now you've got sixty three to you know, seventy
million dollars worth of money to spend. And really the
only big ticket that you got to worry about is
Rashaan Slater. I mean, big big ticket that you've got
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to worry about. Where you know, twenty million plus so
you got so you've.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Got two starting corners in the fifth.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Round, like tar Heep still cam parton year two. We
didn't even really talk about Junior Colson this year. No,
it's another.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Guy the whole year.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Yeah, who if he's healthy.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
I mean just think of like those three positions in
year two, giving those guys back. Knowing what the NFL
is all about, I don't know, man, I have a
you always have high hopes, and of course it's Chargers weekly,
so we have high hopes. But the fact that Joe
Ortiz hit on all those guys in the back half,
not to mention Lad McConkey, who's still like number two
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in the playoffs and receiving guarcians I've been played in
two weeks.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
And of course Joe.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Walt Yeah no, he knocked it out of the park
with the draft, and you expect him to do it
again because he did it every year in Baltimore too,
So it's like, you know you're gonna get players that
will contribute immediately through through that process, You've now got
money to spend. When he had almost no money to spend,
he found players like we mentioned, pun Aford, Tier Tart,
Denzel Perriman, Bud Dupree, Like you cannot. I can't over
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sell how big Elijah Molden was for this team. I
would be absolutely floored if he is not back next year.
And to have that three safety tandem of a Loewie,
Elijah and Derwin like that's so instrumental to what Jesse
Minner wants to do to be able to keep those
too high. Put a cap on it have Durwin running
free all over the place as a slot, as a
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as a dimebacker, as a freaking d end at times
like That's so you've got that locked up. Deayon should
be in the Pro Bowl. It's it's a crime that
he's not. And you know Tooley's gonna take another We
can just this is just name salad. But yes, I
feel very good about where they are. I'll leave it
at that.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Your picks for Sunday get you out of here.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
I mean, I think it's the same it. Look, it's
just what I want. It's it's Buffalo and Washington. It
would be nineteen Yeah, that would be beyond exciting, you know,
to have those two teams in there, you know, seeing
history perhaps being made by a rookie in Washington, and
they you know, and look, I know they're a competitor
(23:33):
and they're a team that could stand in the way.
And once they win a Super Bowl, maybe they get
all this confidence and you would probably not like to
see that. But I just like Josh Allen, you know,
I do. I like them. I like the way the
Bills are run. I love that fan base. It's such
a fun place to go. They're always super cool to
us whenever we're out there. So yeah, that's what I want.
I do not want to see the Chiefs in the
Super Bowl. I want to see them lose miserably, you know,
(23:54):
but whatever. That's that's that's how most of football America feels,
you know. I remember when they were playing the Patriots
and the the d Ford off sides.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
I was up.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
I was really upset. I'm like, this is ridiculous, the
Patriots and the stupid you know. So it's just it's
funny how far we've come because that's what the Chiefs
have turned into.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Yeah, New Orleans would be a heck of a lot
more fun if Buffalo and Washington were in that game,
no doubt. That's that's my pick too. I'm going with
my heart though, too, because the reason I'm even in
football is because of my love for that team in
Washington and growing up. So we'll see what happens for buddy,
I'm Chris. This has been charges weekly.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
We'll see next week.
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