June 11, 2025 • 33 mins
Former Bears quarterback Chase Daniel joins Jeff Joniak and Tom Thayer on Bears, etc. to share what excites him about the connection between quarterback Caleb Williams and head coach Ben Johnson.
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Analysts all over the NFL landscape have spent a lot
of time breaking down the twenty twenty five Bears, forecasting
how this season may unfold, how second your quarterback Caleb
Williams will develop, and what will the Ben Johnson let
Bears look like. We discuss all of it with former
Bears quarterback and fourteen year NFL better interned analyst Chase Daniel.
This is episode one of the Bears et Cetera podcast
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with Super Bowl winning Bears guard Tom Fayer. I'm Jeff Joniac.
We are brought to you by Miller Light.
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Enjoy.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
It's Chase Daniel. As he pointed out about a year
ago on this very podcast, so we rarely have a repeat.
So you must have really impressed.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Us Chase seriously, Bill honored right right.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Well, you know, by way of people getting to know
what you've been doing, you keep expanding your portfolio of media.
Uh so let me get this straight. Uh the Athletic,
which there's a lot of YouTube attached to that. I'm
a big fan of the Athletic. I think they do
a great job. You do your quarterback breakdown still on YouTube?
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Yeap, yes, sir. And then the.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Facility on FS one. Explain that one to those who
don't know what that is because and I haven't seen
it yet. I haven't seen it yet.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
It's a shame on me.
Speaker 6 (01:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
We we named it literally after the NFL facility.
Speaker 7 (01:49):
It's four former players, Emanuelato, James Jones, Shandey McCoy and
myself as the quarterback, and we just talk ball and
literally we talk football. We talk a little bit of
basketball there in the basketball season, but it's mainly a
year round football show where we dive into the locker room,
where we break down film, where we have conversations like
we do in the locker room. It's sort of unfiltered.
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It's way less debate. Y right, we're getting away from
that debate. It's more conversation on what we're seeing, how
we're doing, and.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
So it's been fun.
Speaker 7 (02:16):
I mean it's been you know, I thought I worked
a lot playing football, but man, this is an everyday show.
It's from seven am Pacific to nine am Pacific, so
nine to eleven Central in the morning, and it's it's
just a good alternative to like, hey, you want to
turn on some ball and listen to us crack jokes
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on each other, have fun and everything like that.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
It's it's been it's been a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
And the UFL, right, you started doing it and now
let's just work out of the UFL.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
It's a big one.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
I like it.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
I appreciate it. I love it. I absolutely love it.
Speaker 7 (02:50):
Look, we've been trying to get into this game calling
analyst mode right for a while, just because I feel
like I see the game really well from being around
different coaches and that's just sort of I feel like
niche of things that I'm really good at versus the
opinion show right that we're on.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
And so I was able to do it, and yeah,
it was it was really good. We had we had a.
Speaker 7 (03:11):
Game where it was you know, I've done two, but
the first game I mean, it's crazy. They were the
worst teams in the league right one in six one
and six, but we we ended up having like eighty
offensive points scored. So it's just NonStop, like six turnovers.
In my first game, I'm flipping over my call. She's like,
who's who, and I'm like, you know, it was great.
And then this last game there was like a fifty
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five minute rainelay, so I had to fill for fifty
five minutes. So I'm like, it could not get any crazier.
I feel like I've had the game. But I absolutely
love that and definitely want to step into that role
as I continue to get older.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Tom, what advice would you give Chase on that, Because
this is your twenty ninth year doing it well.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
And I played in the USFL, which is now the UFL,
and I always got to, you know, had That's where
I got my start it. Listen, Chase knows enough about
football that you know, and we probably see it. We
probably look at at the beginning of a play a
little differently. He looks at it through an eye of
a quarterback, and I look at it through an eye
of like the centerpiece of the offensive line, the two
guards and the center, and I look at the balance
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of their stances, what hashmark.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
They're on, blah blah blah.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
But the FS one show man, I can think of
a thousand topics that I would love to ask you
about what I'm not going to whether it be about
the Stefan Diggs stuff or the.
Speaker 7 (04:24):
Aaron Rodgers stuff, but I'm not going to go there.
We thank you, We've covered it all. I'm talked out
on that chase.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
So I was looking up kind of to get a
little bit of a feel from your career. So in
nineteen ninety four they put in the listening device in
the quarterback's helmet, and so I'm thinking of Caleb Williams.
So now here he is, and he's in three systems
in three years. When you think about the listening device
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in your helmet, does that expedite the learning curve for
a quarterback or does it kind of allow the coaching
to give a couple hands during the course of the
play or does it Am I overlooking it and it
doesn't factor in at all.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
I don't think you're overlooking it. That's a good way
to look at it.
Speaker 7 (05:11):
I can only speak from my experience fourteen years I
was with Sean Payton, Andy Reid, and they're the ones
that are pushing the button on the mic talking to
the quarterback. So I've heard them in my headset and
the games that I've played, and rarely is it any advice.
It's it's formation, it's play call, it's personnel. And sometimes
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some other coaches like to talk a lot longer than others,
and sometimes you have to wave them off because they
just keep talking and you're like, stop talking. I'm trying
to call the huddle in the play. And there might
be like ten percent of the time, hey watch the
safety here, or hey, red zone alert blitz like those
are as far as it goes, because let's be honest, right,
you have forty second play clock. By the time the
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end of the play is going and they get the
next play, there's hopefully thirty seconds, and then some coaches
take ten seconds and the your huddle with twenty seconds,
and then you're trying to spit it out twice to
the to the offensive line and receivers and running backs,
and then you're trying to break the huddle, and then
you're going up to the huddle and you're saying, oh
my gosh, if there's an audible. There's a lot of
stuff that goes on in the quarterback's mind. So I
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think more coaches often than not, they try to simplify, Hey,
just call the play. You have a lot to think about,
and then we'll make adjustments on the sideline.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
Throughout the course of your career.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
So and when I was playing with the Bears, it
would be Dennis McKinnon, Willie gall, Dennis Gentry, Amory Moore
had tim rightman. They would shuttle in the play from
the sideline, and now they got to remember exactly what
they heard and how to say it and present, you know,
and present it to the quarterback. Did you ever play
in an era where they had shuttled from the sideline
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or was it You're kind of a modern day guy
that's always been a part of the listening device.
Speaker 7 (06:53):
So that's a hilarious story. And I'm going to tell
you something. But first, like I remember, like when I
first got into the league, Drew Brees, That's who I
learned under. One of the greatest to ever do it
and will be a first ballot Hall of Famer easily.
He was old school in the way that he wanted
to memorize everything. So we would have quizzes on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.
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And if I say the formation in the personnel, you
better tell me the play. And if I say the play,
you better tell me how many formations we have it.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Out out of.
Speaker 7 (07:27):
If I say two jet all go, you better say hey,
double right, zebra, riot and trips right like that, that's
the It's a lot more intricate than that. But so
I came up learning and memorizing formations in case the
headset were to go out, and so we had a
we had a situation in twenty seventeen over in London.
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We were playing the Lions. I'm the backup Breezes obviously
the starter. I'm telling you first series of the game.
The headset went out like could not hear a word.
Sean Paige goes Chase, Chase, get over here.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Uh bunch rizebra right, that's all I give me bunch
ri zebra right. I'm like, so a really like all
let up to that point, I'd run out half field,
I say bunch riz right to you and Drew be
like okay, I got it. So we would be studying
that together. That lasted for a quarter and it really
helped the formations and personnel groupings and the whole play call,
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get in and out. It's not ideal, but that's that's
the situation I've been in.
Speaker 7 (08:33):
I'm like, oh my gosh, like I've worked my whole
life to it's never happened again. But I was like, finally,
like I get to use it and I understand it,
and it was like a quiz on the field and
I'm running in and out.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
It was.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
It was insane. But yeah, that's that's a good that's
a good observation by you.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
I've never asked this question, I should have no huddle.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
How does this work?
Speaker 3 (08:52):
You know, that's a great question.
Speaker 7 (08:53):
So a lot of times, if you're not doing it
in the middle of the series, if you're just saying, hey,
you know, huddle offense mostly for NFL is two minute drives.
A lot of times, there's singular words that say, hey,
Arizona or Cardinal will tell you a formation, play call, protection, route,
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everything on one. It's like a one word thing. With
Kansas City and Alex Andy Reid liked to call the
two minute. He would call the two minute. Now when
I was with Breeze, and I've been in that situation
before Sean Payton was turn his headset off and said breeze,
you got it and would interject on third down and
red zone. So it's differing, right, So you would be
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at the huddle, hate shipstright trips right, twenty two paint,
twenty two paint and you get the signal for Arizona,
you get the signal for you know, all go or
whatever it is. And some people have different ways of
doing it now where I've seen a lot of these
newer age college and younger college quarterbacks coming up, that's
how they did it in college, so that's how they
feel comfortable with it. So there might be a series
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or two in the game. Hey where Ben Jon says, hey,
cayleb let's go know a huddle here.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
And it'll be exactly that.
Speaker 7 (10:01):
They'll have a they can have under center five words,
and they can have shotgun five words, and hey, here's
the words we're doing. And we can put in runs,
we can put in passes. It's just a way I
think for quarterbacks to just play fast because sometimes you
can overthink things as a quarterback, especially you don't. You
want to just play fast and play in rhythm and react.
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And I think that's really helpful for young quarterbacks.
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Speaker 2 (10:45):
Quickly, going back to the eighties, when we started a
two minutes row, we would always call two plays in
the huddle. All right, two minute, two plays now then,
so McMahon would call two plays and if the first
play was successful, we'd automatically go to the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
We're there, We're boom, we're running it. In the modern day.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Two minutes or a speed up offense, is it always
just one play called and then you'll call the next
play the next play or do you ever have that
philosophical thinking of two plays called at once.
Speaker 7 (11:14):
I've gotten two plays coming in from the sideline when
the clock is stopped. I've never, in my experience in
the offense I've been in, we've never gotten two plays
while the play's going on. It's always as quick as
you can as efficient as you can. So there's one play.
I have, however, gotten two plays from the sideline, or
you know, if there is a clock stop at.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
A time out out of bound, something like that.
Speaker 7 (11:35):
I have had coaches that say, hey, trips right, all
go special kill nickel forty draw. Hey if they're in
too high, killed to draw. We got plenty of time. Hey,
if it's a single high, let's run that. There are
different ways to get the place, but mostly when you're
at the line of scrimmage, if you're going in a hurry,
then you're gonna be one play. However, when we were
there with Naggie and Mitch really like this, we would
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have an on the ball, bunch right formation and we go.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
We just feel it, the coaches we see it. We'd
have four or five plays to get to.
Speaker 7 (12:03):
Naggi would call it in, Mitch would call, hey, let's
do this, or Mitch would have a play call like hey,
he could pick it. So it was different options. It
just depends on what your quarterbacks like. A lot of
times quarterbacks they want to be told what to do,
especially younger guys. The older guys like Breeze like I'm
picking I am doing it because it's I want to
get in a lot of times though with these quarterbacks,
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maybe they're not seeing it as well, or maybe they're
not doing this, that and another.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
They want to have the coach call it in.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
How many years will that take?
Speaker 7 (12:31):
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Speaker 1 (12:38):
So what I'm saying is what I'm saying is for
a young quarterback. So Caleb's here too. Now we're stripping
it down to the barre wire Again, does it take
a quarterback five years, ten years to say, okay, i'd
like the comments or earlier the thing.
Speaker 7 (12:53):
I just think that some quarterbacks don't even want to
and quite honestly, a lot of I feel like it's
more so the offensive quartertor doesn't want the quarterback because
he doesn't trust him. He's like, hey, I know my
way and I understand, and we talk pregame on what
you don't like, and I think that's what I know.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
That's what Ben Johnson does with Jared Goff.
Speaker 7 (13:10):
He won't he'll he'll cross out of play on a
call sheet if Jared Goff didn't like they playing getting
called unless the quarterback loves it and feels convicted enough,
and I think that's what you're gonna see with Caleb.
They're going to have that open conversation. That's why I
was with Ben Johnson in twenty twenty. He was tight
ends coach for Matt Patricia at the time, and so
you could feel and you could tell he was going
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to be a star, mainly because of how he talked
to us in offensive meetings.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
His genius. He doesn't really have one set of system.
It's always and he'll say this, he's he's taking stuff
from everywhere and trying to mold it. And there's gonna
be some stuff you see that Detroit did last year
that Chicago's not even going to touch because Jared Goff
and Kayleb Williams are two completely different quarterbacks that feel
completely different against different route concepts and different runs and
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stuff like that. I think that's where Ben Johnson really
shows his genius.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
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Speaker 5 (14:07):
Let's go to Week one of the NFL season.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
You got JJ McCarthy, first time starting quarterback, but he's
been in the system for two years. Then you got
Caleb Williams, who's got a ton of snaps. But he's
in this first his first year in the system. That
quarterback those two quarterback, who has more experience to you.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Oh, it's easily, Kleb.
Speaker 7 (14:27):
I mean, look, I don't call, and I would say
a lot of people like personally for me, you don't
have experience of play. There is nothing like playing the
game of football. I don't care if it's preseason, I
don't care if it's reps.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
I don't care.
Speaker 7 (14:41):
If you've repped to play one hundred times in practice.
It doesn't even remotely come close to playing in a game.
And so that's that's been my whole thing about Minnesota.
I think Minnesota probably has one of the best rosters
just up and down right. They want, I think fourteen
games or a half away from being the one seed
this entire division, and you guys are in man, it
is tough. But but like JJ did well in in
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mich at Michigan, and he played well for thirty plays
in a preseason game.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
But the read there there, it's gonna there's gonna be
some growing pains with Minnesota, Like like with Kevin O'Connell,
I don't bet against him, but there's gonna be some
growing pains because the guy's never played and he didn't
have a lot of snaps at Michigan. They didn't trust
him to do a lot of stuff on third down
in Michigan. Now, I think JJ is a good player,
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but there's gonna be some growing pains that come with
a rookie quarterback. For I mean, he was heard, he
never played.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Did any coaches in your long career adjust your footwork
or your style of throwing the football for any reason
to fit what they feel is best for that offense
or best for you as a quarterback to develop. And
the reason I bring it up it may sound simple, Hey,
Caleb did his right foot forward his whole career.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
I was just about to say that I switching.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
It to left foot forward, and I don't know as
a guy, who is he left foot forward?
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Now?
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Yes, interesting, so you're in a position, So you're in
a position to you know, you get back there, you ready.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
To rip it.
Speaker 7 (16:17):
The one thing that I was going to bring up,
I didn't realize he switched left foot forward. That was
one thing that was talked about, like, hey, why don't
you just try like left foot like see what it's at.
And I'm like, absolutely not like, why would I like
And it wasn't even like I don't trust you. It's like, dude,
I've been doing it for and it didn't really make
a difference. I do know people that have had success
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going to left foot mainly because of quick game. So
when you're left foot up, it's punched up, get.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
The ball out. And I think that's really where it
becomes a little bit more of an advantage because now
everything's two and four step drops right, it's not three
and five step drops, so you are a little bit quicker.
Speaker 7 (16:59):
There's a little bit more of a rhythm. But like
I haven't studied to that depth Caleb's short work, but
I'm guessing if he's never done left foot up, it
will take.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Some time to get used to.
Speaker 7 (17:10):
Even if you think about if your left foot up
just a handoff to the left.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
You have to do used up left foot first, and
if you're in the gun.
Speaker 7 (17:16):
Or do you use up right foot first versus right
it just comes down and you're like, you don't even
think about it.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
So I think this is a time to end up
doing it.
Speaker 7 (17:23):
But I have I do understand the pros of switching,
and it it I don't think it'll be a big deal,
but it could help him specifically in my opinion, like
with some quick game footwork.
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Speaker 2 (17:48):
Last year the Bears had a center who was left
handed and he shotgun left handed and under center right
handed awful. So now how they bring in Drew dol
It's got a lot of experience at center position. The
consistency of a right handed snapshotgun or under center. Is
there a conversation that if a new center was coming in,
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is there anything that you'd have to talk to him
about or is it you play your game and help
me play my game better.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
It's a fine line.
Speaker 7 (18:20):
It's a fine line between how much Caleb wants stuff
a certain way. If Caleb, hey, take some take some
heat off the snap and shotgun, take a try to
and this is you know, no centers could ever get
this right. I'd be like, just put the ball on
my right peck every time. So it's just ready to
no one could get that right right, but I don't.
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I do think under center it's different, and I do
think that a center and a quarterback on the same page,
not necessarily when it comes to the fundamentals, but when
it comes to protections, when it comes to tempo, when
it comes in and out of a huddle. That is
something that I think Drew Dalman brings to the Caleb
and I think that's something Caleb can lean on with
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Drew because Drew's played a lot of staffs.
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Speaker 5 (19:26):
You've been very.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Positive about the Bears throughout everything they did this offseason. Yeah,
you know, this has been going on now for three
off seasons. The roster now has more dudes than it
ever had in recent years here, so now you got
to bring it all together. Of course, there's still some
decisions we made. Everybody's learning everything new, ripping it like
again today the podium, Ben Johnson's not just Caleb stripping
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down of the Bear would it's every position. This is
the way we want it, getting it all done now.
So everybody's adjusting and doing so under the guise of hey,
get it right, get it right, get it right the
first time. If it's not right, we're going to redo it.
So this is the new thinking, and this is the way,
this is the approach. Why have you been high on
the Bears in what arguably is the most challenging, in
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my opinion and difficult Division's going to be a true
black and blue ball up your fist. I'll due respect
AFC West and all those great coaches and the AFC North,
but I mean it is going to be some kind
of show here in twenty twenty five in the division.
Speaker 7 (20:27):
It is, and I do think it's the best division
in football, just top down, bottom up. Like like, if
you're saying the Bears are the worst of it or
the worst team in the division, I'm like, oh my god,
Like you're that's insane, because I think the Bears are
a ten win team, eleven win team.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
If they put it together, there's gonna be some growing pains.
For me.
Speaker 7 (20:46):
I've remained positive because eventually, when you have a roster
like this, and when you build it the right way,
when you go out and you get three brand new
offensive linemen that have played extra extreamely high level football,
from Jonah Jackson to Joe Toney to Drew Dollman, and
you have the skill players that you.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Have with DJ Moore Romadunze.
Speaker 7 (21:09):
And then you draft Missouri guy, come on now, lu
Jamberden like you know DeAndre Swift in the backfield, Cole Comet,
I think it's one of the better tight ends of
all and then you draft with your first pick an
offensive player. I mean, they are doing everything in their
power to put a super team offensively around Kayleb Williams.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
It will come down to how Caleb Williams and Ben
Johnson handle this season.
Speaker 7 (21:34):
And then you look at the hiring of Ben Johnson, right,
you know we can predict and we can say this
and that I've been with Ben. I like his style,
I know what he brings to the table. You pair
that with a defense, and look, Chicago's always always always
been known for its defense. Obviously. Still I hate to
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say it, no four thousand yard passer.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Okay.
Speaker 7 (21:57):
I think this is the year where the Bears sort
of flip that upside down. I think the Bears become
an offensive football team. Now you have to play good
defense in that division. But if Caleb can play up
to what a lot of people and the Bears think
he can, they're gonna be a dangerous team. Now, there
is going to be some growth that's needed from Caleb.
But I do think the hiring of Ben Johnson, I
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do think all those offensive skill players, if Caleb can
just get it through his head that hey, I don't
have to be perfect on every single play, and I
don't have to make plays by myself. Like I felt
like he played some hero ball last year, and he
played some hero ball the year before at USC.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Now his junior year, he relied.
Speaker 7 (22:41):
Back at USC, you got to go back two years.
He relied a lot on the players around him. If
he can trust the players around him and the coach
around him, I think they're gonna have a really successful year.
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Speaker 2 (23:07):
So Chase two years ago, Cole Comette had over seventy catches.
Last year, I think he was the most underutilized offensive
player the Bears had. I keep saying that, and he
had mid forty catches. And then you think of you
being around Ben Johnson the tight end coach, now Ben
Johnson the head coach, tight end point of emphasis or
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tight end, you kind of earn your spot within the
offense and then you go from there.
Speaker 7 (23:34):
Well, I think this is what I love about Ben
Johnson's offense is that it starts from the inside out.
You start with the running back, the two edit monster
they had last year. Okay, in Detroit. You look at
DeAndre Swift. I thought he was under utilized the first
like six seven games of the year. He started getting
more carries as a year went on. And then you
look at the tight end. They played a lot of
twelve personnel. I imagine in Detroit they're going to play
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a lot of twelve personnel here, and it's going to start. Hey,
if you want to zone this out co Comette, you
should have seven eight catches a game between Colston and
you and get Colston going. And he's he's a sort
of a do it all type guy. And I think
they're building it a certain way. And you can tell
on paper, right, you have some good weapons outside? Yes, absolutely,
And then how do you get Luther Burdens some touches
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like Roma Dunes and Dj Moore to me or one
of maybe the most underrated duos in the league if
they're playing up the standard. So you put all that
together and you take the pressure off Caleb and say, hey,
let's start inside out. I think it's going to be
a good day for a good year for the tight ends.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
They got one of you here.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Veteran quarterback Case Keenum entering year team. Why is he
your guy?
Speaker 7 (24:40):
Tell me so, I've known Case for a long time
Texas high school football. Went to a small school in
Houston and said just about every NCAA record there was,
and it comes to passing. I think he played fifteen
years in high school for fifteen years in college. But
he's going after my fourteen years. He's entering your third
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and you know Case, Case is the perfect guy for Caleb.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
I go to a Christian dude.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Ranch camp with a bunch of ex NFL.
Speaker 7 (25:12):
Well, I guess X some NFL guys that are still
my friend, whether it be like Case Keenum, Andy Dalton,
Ben Roethlisberger's there, or some other quarterbacks are there too.
It's just our families hanging out together. And every year, man,
I lead going. You know, I had the most sole
with Case. He's just like, he's just a funny dude,
but understands he's been in about every situation possible. And
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I think that I mean, obviously, you know, I think
there was a little bit of stink made over this
capa Williams film thing.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
He doesn't watch film. Okay, I think that you have
a guy.
Speaker 7 (25:43):
Like Case to sort of teach or for Caleb to
lean on and situations in the quarterback room. Hey, like, Caleb,
what do you think about this? It's sort of how
I was with Mitch. Biscuit's sort of how I was
my entire career. It's a veteran mentor, and there's a
fine line on how to walk that line. As a remember,
do you give too much information? Do you not give
a lot do you just wait for him to come
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to you. There's a dynamic there and that starter, backup relationship.
You can ask Tom Brady, you can ask Drew Brees,
you can ask anyone. It's important because it's the first
guy they go to most of the time when they
get off the field. Is Hey, what you see what
you see? Tom Brady did with Blaine Govert. Drew Brees
did it with me, And I think that's sort of
the ear that Cayleb Williams is going to have if
he utilizes them the correct way.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
So Chase the first game of the year, Kevin O'Connell
is going to get ready to go against Dennis Allen.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
You got to know him.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Give us a little snippet about what we should expect
in the development of the defense.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Yeah, I mean that's a great question. Da is a
great coach. I was with DA when he was I
feel like I've been with everyone guys. My goodness.
Speaker 7 (26:48):
I was with DA when he was a defensive backs
coach for US in like nine, ten and eleven, and
I think he makes a really good defensive coordinator right attacking.
I feel like you're gonna see more blitzing and I
haven't seen any of this just based on his scheme.
This this third down package they call it shake Silver,
(27:08):
So the Greg Williams type scheme where you're bringing three
off an edge or three off this edge and then
all of a sudden they'll drop eight on you. Right,
So I think they're gonna utilize their backers well, I
think the secondary. I think they're gonna be more aggressive
in terms of challenging underneath throws, which is a good thing.
They're gonna give up some deep passes, but that's sort
of the mindset that he brings. And look, everything that
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a head coach does, I think the most important hires
are their defensive coordinator, especially if you're an offensive coach,
and I think da I think they hit it out
of the park with him.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
All right, cup more, if you got a minute one,
I don't want to bypass Tyson Beijing. The guy has
worked his tail off. Yeah, and I see a bright future, entight.
I'm just I'm all in on Tyson Beijing as well
as a guy who wants to be that guy and
get playing time and knows he's behind a number one overall.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Pick.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
What advice do you give to a guy like Tyson Invasion.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (28:02):
Look, I mean look, my career arc was never hey,
I'm going up up.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
There were some lows or some valleys.
Speaker 7 (28:10):
I was cut multiple times, there was like times only
started five games in my career. You just got to
be consistent, and look, this is the business of the NFL,
and unfortunately, right or for whatever you want to say,
this is just the hand you're dell.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
It doesn't mean that you're never.
Speaker 7 (28:29):
Going to get a chance to start again, because I
thought he played well in the games that he's played.
But there is a certain way to do things, and hey,
if your numbers ready, you gotta be. If your numbers called,
you have to be ready, or whether it be injury
or whatso, let's talk on some wood for that not
to happen. But I do think that just being ready
and being in the right situation, because I had a
lot of times in free agency where I would maybe
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get X amount more than this scenario, but I'd choose
this scenario because it was better for my career, for
elongating my career. I just think the longer you can stay,
the more helpful you can be to the starter, the
better your relationships with the coaches, all the intangible stuff.
Really you have to build up because on the field
stuff will come.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
But you can make.
Speaker 7 (29:10):
A really great living, have your brain intact like mine
is right now, and not getting hit for playing backup
in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
I no, that's not what he wants, and that's not
what I wanted.
Speaker 7 (29:19):
But eventually you're you're always working toward that next step.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
All right, last question, you post it on Twitter, so
I want to I know, I want to hear what
the feedback was. Tom, you'll get a kick out of this.
He posted, are you a wins is a quarterback stat
person or a wins are not a quarterback stat person?
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Why?
Speaker 5 (29:37):
Or why not?
Speaker 1 (29:37):
So what is your answer? And then, Tom, I want
to hear your answer. He's the way they get Hey,
they're the only player that gets the record attached to
their performance. It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
It is crazy.
Speaker 7 (29:49):
Look I think that and this was specifically about a
Joe Burrow topic we had, but when it comes to wins,
I think it's so incredibly detailed because you could play
the best game you've ever played in your entire life,
but twenty one other starters suck that day. And if
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you're just being completely honest, I hate saying it like that.
And so a guy could drop a pass, your defense
could give up thirty points, and you still threw for
four hundred yards. Ultimately, I think there's no bigger component
of a quarterback's play then does he win? Right, Like,
look at Tom Brady in those years that he was winning.
Now you've ended up putting a lot of stats. It's
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a very very very.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Fine line to walk.
Speaker 7 (30:33):
I tend to be that wins are not a quarterback
stat type guy. However, there's no more important position on
the field that translates to wins other than quarterback. So
then I skew that way as well, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Yes, you know, to me, to me, in the modern
day era football, it is probably probably attachable and analytically
to the quarterback position. But when you look at Bob Greasy,
Terry Bradshaw, Jim McMahon in the era where the running
game set the precedence of the offense for performance, Yeah, Troy,
you know, when we you know, we could go through
(31:14):
so many guys that you know their success was as
much related to the offensive line in the running back position.
But now in the last twenty years, it's probably more
to the quarterback than it is those other you know,
ten guys on offense. Yeah, it's it's a very well.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Tell the Borough stat, the Borough stat like you posted
it if you don't have an office. In eight losses
last season, Bengals gave up thirty four points a game
and scored twenty eight. Team scoring twenty eight or more
would have been one forty and twenty two last season,
but they lost eight games.
Speaker 7 (31:50):
So eight of those twenty two losses right when you
scored twenty eight points. And I'm trying to get these
guys on my show because they're like against Burrow to understand,
like you cannot. He threw for forty nine hundred and
thirty four yards and forty three touchdowns and nine interceptions.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Both led the NFL.
Speaker 6 (32:07):
You you, you can't play much better like it, just
if you're around a better team, if they're built better
in in Sincy, he doesn't feel the need to have
to show out and then have these five touchdown games.
Speaker 7 (32:22):
And he can he can delegate more, but he felt
the need to because they were giving up so many
Dad Gun points.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Joe Burrow, Joe Burrow is the modern day uh Dan Marino.
No from the Cincinnati are from the San Diego Chargers.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Dan Fouts, I say, Dan Marino, I fear that he's
gonna have both one day. They both they both went
to one super Bowl. You know, is that that would
be that would going to.
Speaker 7 (32:46):
Say Philip Rivers for a little bit, because that's sort
of well, that's.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
You know, to anyway, consider him more of a modern
day guy when you look at Dan Foules and what
he did back got over you know, thousands of passing
yards and never really winning.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Chase, that was all awesome. Thank you so much. Keep
up the good work. You're doing great.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Thanks guys, appreciate you having me on.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
Thanks Chase.
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Enjoy.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
It's Chase Daniel. As he pointed out about a year
ago on this very podcast, so we rarely have a repeat.
So you must have really impressed.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Us Chase seriously, Bill honored right right.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Well, you know, by way of people getting to know
what you've been doing, you keep expanding your portfolio of media.
Uh so let me get this straight. Uh the Athletic,
which there's a lot of YouTube attached to that. I'm
a big fan of the Athletic. I think they do
a great job. You do your quarterback breakdown still on YouTube?
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Yeap, yes, sir. And then the.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Facility on FS one. Explain that one to those who
don't know what that is because and I haven't seen
it yet. I haven't seen it yet.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
It's a shame on me.
Speaker 6 (01:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
We we named it literally after the NFL facility.
Speaker 7 (01:49):
It's four former players, Emanuelato, James Jones, Shandey McCoy and
myself as the quarterback, and we just talk ball and
literally we talk football. We talk a little bit of
basketball there in the basketball season, but it's mainly a
year round football show where we dive into the locker room,
where we break down film, where we have conversations like
we do in the locker room. It's sort of unfiltered.
(02:09):
It's way less debate. Y right, we're getting away from
that debate. It's more conversation on what we're seeing, how
we're doing, and.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
So it's been fun.
Speaker 7 (02:16):
I mean it's been you know, I thought I worked
a lot playing football, but man, this is an everyday show.
It's from seven am Pacific to nine am Pacific, so
nine to eleven Central in the morning, and it's it's
just a good alternative to like, hey, you want to
turn on some ball and listen to us crack jokes
(02:36):
on each other, have fun and everything like that.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
It's it's been it's been a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
And the UFL, right, you started doing it and now
let's just work out of the UFL.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
It's a big one.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
I like it.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
I appreciate it. I love it. I absolutely love it.
Speaker 7 (02:50):
Look, we've been trying to get into this game calling
analyst mode right for a while, just because I feel
like I see the game really well from being around
different coaches and that's just sort of I feel like
niche of things that I'm really good at versus the
opinion show right that we're on.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
And so I was able to do it, and yeah,
it was it was really good. We had we had a.
Speaker 7 (03:11):
Game where it was you know, I've done two, but
the first game I mean, it's crazy. They were the
worst teams in the league right one in six one
and six, but we we ended up having like eighty
offensive points scored. So it's just NonStop, like six turnovers.
In my first game, I'm flipping over my call. She's like,
who's who, and I'm like, you know, it was great.
And then this last game there was like a fifty
(03:32):
five minute rainelay, so I had to fill for fifty
five minutes. So I'm like, it could not get any crazier.
I feel like I've had the game. But I absolutely
love that and definitely want to step into that role
as I continue to get older.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Tom, what advice would you give Chase on that, Because
this is your twenty ninth year doing it well.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
And I played in the USFL, which is now the UFL,
and I always got to, you know, had That's where
I got my start it. Listen, Chase knows enough about
football that you know, and we probably see it. We
probably look at at the beginning of a play a
little differently. He looks at it through an eye of
a quarterback, and I look at it through an eye
of like the centerpiece of the offensive line, the two
guards and the center, and I look at the balance
(04:11):
of their stances, what hashmark.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
They're on, blah blah blah.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
But the FS one show man, I can think of
a thousand topics that I would love to ask you
about what I'm not going to whether it be about
the Stefan Diggs stuff or the.
Speaker 7 (04:24):
Aaron Rodgers stuff, but I'm not going to go there.
We thank you, We've covered it all. I'm talked out
on that chase.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
So I was looking up kind of to get a
little bit of a feel from your career. So in
nineteen ninety four they put in the listening device in
the quarterback's helmet, and so I'm thinking of Caleb Williams.
So now here he is, and he's in three systems
in three years. When you think about the listening device
(04:52):
in your helmet, does that expedite the learning curve for
a quarterback or does it kind of allow the coaching
to give a couple hands during the course of the
play or does it Am I overlooking it and it
doesn't factor in at all.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
I don't think you're overlooking it. That's a good way
to look at it.
Speaker 7 (05:11):
I can only speak from my experience fourteen years I
was with Sean Payton, Andy Reid, and they're the ones
that are pushing the button on the mic talking to
the quarterback. So I've heard them in my headset and
the games that I've played, and rarely is it any advice.
It's it's formation, it's play call, it's personnel. And sometimes
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some other coaches like to talk a lot longer than others,
and sometimes you have to wave them off because they
just keep talking and you're like, stop talking. I'm trying
to call the huddle in the play. And there might
be like ten percent of the time, hey watch the
safety here, or hey, red zone alert blitz like those
are as far as it goes, because let's be honest, right,
you have forty second play clock. By the time the
(05:52):
end of the play is going and they get the
next play, there's hopefully thirty seconds, and then some coaches
take ten seconds and the your huddle with twenty seconds,
and then you're trying to spit it out twice to
the to the offensive line and receivers and running backs,
and then you're trying to break the huddle, and then
you're going up to the huddle and you're saying, oh
my gosh, if there's an audible. There's a lot of
stuff that goes on in the quarterback's mind. So I
(06:13):
think more coaches often than not, they try to simplify, Hey,
just call the play. You have a lot to think about,
and then we'll make adjustments on the sideline.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
Throughout the course of your career.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
So and when I was playing with the Bears, it
would be Dennis McKinnon, Willie gall, Dennis Gentry, Amory Moore
had tim rightman. They would shuttle in the play from
the sideline, and now they got to remember exactly what
they heard and how to say it and present, you know,
and present it to the quarterback. Did you ever play
in an era where they had shuttled from the sideline
(06:47):
or was it You're kind of a modern day guy
that's always been a part of the listening device.
Speaker 7 (06:53):
So that's a hilarious story. And I'm going to tell
you something. But first, like I remember, like when I
first got into the league, Drew Brees, That's who I
learned under. One of the greatest to ever do it
and will be a first ballot Hall of Famer easily.
He was old school in the way that he wanted
to memorize everything. So we would have quizzes on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.
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And if I say the formation in the personnel, you
better tell me the play. And if I say the play,
you better tell me how many formations we have it.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Out out of.
Speaker 7 (07:27):
If I say two jet all go, you better say hey,
double right, zebra, riot and trips right like that, that's
the It's a lot more intricate than that. But so
I came up learning and memorizing formations in case the
headset were to go out, and so we had a
we had a situation in twenty seventeen over in London.
(07:50):
We were playing the Lions. I'm the backup Breezes obviously
the starter. I'm telling you first series of the game.
The headset went out like could not hear a word.
Sean Paige goes Chase, Chase, get over here.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Uh bunch rizebra right, that's all I give me bunch
ri zebra right. I'm like, so a really like all
let up to that point, I'd run out half field,
I say bunch riz right to you and Drew be
like okay, I got it. So we would be studying
that together. That lasted for a quarter and it really
helped the formations and personnel groupings and the whole play call,
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get in and out. It's not ideal, but that's that's
the situation I've been in.
Speaker 7 (08:33):
I'm like, oh my gosh, like I've worked my whole
life to it's never happened again. But I was like, finally,
like I get to use it and I understand it,
and it was like a quiz on the field and
I'm running in and out.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
It was.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
It was insane. But yeah, that's that's a good that's
a good observation by you.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
I've never asked this question, I should have no huddle.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
How does this work?
Speaker 3 (08:52):
You know, that's a great question.
Speaker 7 (08:53):
So a lot of times, if you're not doing it
in the middle of the series, if you're just saying, hey,
you know, huddle offense mostly for NFL is two minute drives.
A lot of times, there's singular words that say, hey,
Arizona or Cardinal will tell you a formation, play call, protection, route,
(09:14):
everything on one. It's like a one word thing. With
Kansas City and Alex Andy Reid liked to call the
two minute. He would call the two minute. Now when
I was with Breeze, and I've been in that situation
before Sean Payton was turn his headset off and said breeze,
you got it and would interject on third down and
red zone. So it's differing, right, So you would be
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at the huddle, hate shipstright trips right, twenty two paint,
twenty two paint and you get the signal for Arizona,
you get the signal for you know, all go or
whatever it is. And some people have different ways of
doing it now where I've seen a lot of these
newer age college and younger college quarterbacks coming up, that's
how they did it in college, so that's how they
feel comfortable with it. So there might be a series
(09:57):
or two in the game. Hey where Ben Jon says, hey,
cayleb let's go know a huddle here.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
And it'll be exactly that.
Speaker 7 (10:01):
They'll have a they can have under center five words,
and they can have shotgun five words, and hey, here's
the words we're doing. And we can put in runs,
we can put in passes. It's just a way I
think for quarterbacks to just play fast because sometimes you
can overthink things as a quarterback, especially you don't. You
want to just play fast and play in rhythm and react.
(10:24):
And I think that's really helpful for young quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
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Speaker 2 (10:45):
Quickly, going back to the eighties, when we started a
two minutes row, we would always call two plays in
the huddle. All right, two minute, two plays now then,
so McMahon would call two plays and if the first
play was successful, we'd automatically go to the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
We're there, We're boom, we're running it. In the modern day.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Two minutes or a speed up offense, is it always
just one play called and then you'll call the next
play the next play or do you ever have that
philosophical thinking of two plays called at once.
Speaker 7 (11:14):
I've gotten two plays coming in from the sideline when
the clock is stopped. I've never, in my experience in
the offense I've been in, we've never gotten two plays
while the play's going on. It's always as quick as
you can as efficient as you can. So there's one play.
I have, however, gotten two plays from the sideline, or
you know, if there is a clock stop at.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
A time out out of bound, something like that.
Speaker 7 (11:35):
I have had coaches that say, hey, trips right, all
go special kill nickel forty draw. Hey if they're in
too high, killed to draw. We got plenty of time. Hey,
if it's a single high, let's run that. There are
different ways to get the place, but mostly when you're
at the line of scrimmage, if you're going in a hurry,
then you're gonna be one play. However, when we were
there with Naggie and Mitch really like this, we would
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have an on the ball, bunch right formation and we go.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
We just feel it, the coaches we see it. We'd
have four or five plays to get to.
Speaker 7 (12:03):
Naggi would call it in, Mitch would call, hey, let's
do this, or Mitch would have a play call like hey,
he could pick it. So it was different options. It
just depends on what your quarterbacks like. A lot of
times quarterbacks they want to be told what to do,
especially younger guys. The older guys like Breeze like I'm
picking I am doing it because it's I want to
get in a lot of times though with these quarterbacks,
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maybe they're not seeing it as well, or maybe they're
not doing this, that and another.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
They want to have the coach call it in.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
How many years will that take?
Speaker 7 (12:31):
Well, we've installed it. We've installed two or three check
with Me packages in a week.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
So what I'm saying is what I'm saying is for
a young quarterback. So Caleb's here too. Now we're stripping
it down to the barre wire Again, does it take
a quarterback five years, ten years to say, okay, i'd
like the comments or earlier the thing.
Speaker 7 (12:53):
I just think that some quarterbacks don't even want to
and quite honestly, a lot of I feel like it's
more so the offensive quartertor doesn't want the quarterback because
he doesn't trust him. He's like, hey, I know my
way and I understand, and we talk pregame on what
you don't like, and I think that's what I know.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
That's what Ben Johnson does with Jared Goff.
Speaker 7 (13:10):
He won't he'll he'll cross out of play on a
call sheet if Jared Goff didn't like they playing getting
called unless the quarterback loves it and feels convicted enough,
and I think that's what you're gonna see with Caleb.
They're going to have that open conversation. That's why I
was with Ben Johnson in twenty twenty. He was tight
ends coach for Matt Patricia at the time, and so
you could feel and you could tell he was going
(13:32):
to be a star, mainly because of how he talked
to us in offensive meetings.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
His genius. He doesn't really have one set of system.
It's always and he'll say this, he's he's taking stuff
from everywhere and trying to mold it. And there's gonna
be some stuff you see that Detroit did last year
that Chicago's not even going to touch because Jared Goff
and Kayleb Williams are two completely different quarterbacks that feel
completely different against different route concepts and different runs and
(13:59):
stuff like that. I think that's where Ben Johnson really
shows his genius.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
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Speaker 5 (14:07):
Let's go to Week one of the NFL season.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
You got JJ McCarthy, first time starting quarterback, but he's
been in the system for two years. Then you got
Caleb Williams, who's got a ton of snaps. But he's
in this first his first year in the system. That
quarterback those two quarterback, who has more experience to you.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Oh, it's easily, Kleb.
Speaker 7 (14:27):
I mean, look, I don't call, and I would say
a lot of people like personally for me, you don't
have experience of play. There is nothing like playing the
game of football. I don't care if it's preseason, I
don't care if it's reps.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
I don't care.
Speaker 7 (14:41):
If you've repped to play one hundred times in practice.
It doesn't even remotely come close to playing in a game.
And so that's that's been my whole thing about Minnesota.
I think Minnesota probably has one of the best rosters
just up and down right. They want, I think fourteen
games or a half away from being the one seed
this entire division, and you guys are in man, it
is tough. But but like JJ did well in in
(15:08):
mich at Michigan, and he played well for thirty plays
in a preseason game.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
But the read there there, it's gonna there's gonna be
some growing pains with Minnesota, Like like with Kevin O'Connell,
I don't bet against him, but there's gonna be some
growing pains because the guy's never played and he didn't
have a lot of snaps at Michigan. They didn't trust
him to do a lot of stuff on third down
in Michigan. Now, I think JJ is a good player,
(15:34):
but there's gonna be some growing pains that come with
a rookie quarterback. For I mean, he was heard, he
never played.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Did any coaches in your long career adjust your footwork
or your style of throwing the football for any reason
to fit what they feel is best for that offense
or best for you as a quarterback to develop. And
the reason I bring it up it may sound simple, Hey,
Caleb did his right foot forward his whole career.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
I was just about to say that I switching.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
It to left foot forward, and I don't know as
a guy, who is he left foot forward?
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Now?
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Yes, interesting, so you're in a position, So you're in
a position to you know, you get back there, you ready.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
To rip it.
Speaker 7 (16:17):
The one thing that I was going to bring up,
I didn't realize he switched left foot forward. That was
one thing that was talked about, like, hey, why don't
you just try like left foot like see what it's at.
And I'm like, absolutely not like, why would I like
And it wasn't even like I don't trust you. It's like, dude,
I've been doing it for and it didn't really make
a difference. I do know people that have had success
(16:40):
going to left foot mainly because of quick game. So
when you're left foot up, it's punched up, get.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
The ball out. And I think that's really where it
becomes a little bit more of an advantage because now
everything's two and four step drops right, it's not three
and five step drops, so you are a little bit quicker.
Speaker 7 (16:59):
There's a little bit more of a rhythm. But like
I haven't studied to that depth Caleb's short work, but
I'm guessing if he's never done left foot up, it
will take.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Some time to get used to.
Speaker 7 (17:10):
Even if you think about if your left foot up
just a handoff to the left.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
You have to do used up left foot first, and
if you're in the gun.
Speaker 7 (17:16):
Or do you use up right foot first versus right
it just comes down and you're like, you don't even
think about it.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
So I think this is a time to end up
doing it.
Speaker 7 (17:23):
But I have I do understand the pros of switching,
and it it I don't think it'll be a big deal,
but it could help him specifically in my opinion, like
with some quick game footwork.
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Speaker 2 (17:48):
Last year the Bears had a center who was left
handed and he shotgun left handed and under center right
handed awful. So now how they bring in Drew dol
It's got a lot of experience at center position. The
consistency of a right handed snapshotgun or under center. Is
there a conversation that if a new center was coming in,
(18:10):
is there anything that you'd have to talk to him
about or is it you play your game and help
me play my game better.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
It's a fine line.
Speaker 7 (18:20):
It's a fine line between how much Caleb wants stuff
a certain way. If Caleb, hey, take some take some
heat off the snap and shotgun, take a try to
and this is you know, no centers could ever get
this right. I'd be like, just put the ball on
my right peck every time. So it's just ready to
no one could get that right right, but I don't.
(18:41):
I do think under center it's different, and I do
think that a center and a quarterback on the same page,
not necessarily when it comes to the fundamentals, but when
it comes to protections, when it comes to tempo, when
it comes in and out of a huddle. That is
something that I think Drew Dalman brings to the Caleb
and I think that's something Caleb can lean on with
(19:03):
Drew because Drew's played a lot of staffs.
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Speaker 5 (19:26):
You've been very.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Positive about the Bears throughout everything they did this offseason. Yeah,
you know, this has been going on now for three
off seasons. The roster now has more dudes than it
ever had in recent years here, so now you got
to bring it all together. Of course, there's still some
decisions we made. Everybody's learning everything new, ripping it like
again today the podium, Ben Johnson's not just Caleb stripping
(19:50):
down of the Bear would it's every position. This is
the way we want it, getting it all done now.
So everybody's adjusting and doing so under the guise of hey,
get it right, get it right, get it right the
first time. If it's not right, we're going to redo it.
So this is the new thinking, and this is the way,
this is the approach. Why have you been high on
the Bears in what arguably is the most challenging, in
(20:12):
my opinion and difficult Division's going to be a true
black and blue ball up your fist. I'll due respect
AFC West and all those great coaches and the AFC North,
but I mean it is going to be some kind
of show here in twenty twenty five in the division.
Speaker 7 (20:27):
It is, and I do think it's the best division
in football, just top down, bottom up. Like like, if
you're saying the Bears are the worst of it or
the worst team in the division, I'm like, oh my god,
Like you're that's insane, because I think the Bears are
a ten win team, eleven win team.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
If they put it together, there's gonna be some growing pains.
For me.
Speaker 7 (20:46):
I've remained positive because eventually, when you have a roster
like this, and when you build it the right way,
when you go out and you get three brand new
offensive linemen that have played extra extreamely high level football,
from Jonah Jackson to Joe Toney to Drew Dollman, and
you have the skill players that you.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Have with DJ Moore Romadunze.
Speaker 7 (21:09):
And then you draft Missouri guy, come on now, lu
Jamberden like you know DeAndre Swift in the backfield, Cole Comet,
I think it's one of the better tight ends of
all and then you draft with your first pick an
offensive player. I mean, they are doing everything in their
power to put a super team offensively around Kayleb Williams.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
It will come down to how Caleb Williams and Ben
Johnson handle this season.
Speaker 7 (21:34):
And then you look at the hiring of Ben Johnson, right,
you know we can predict and we can say this
and that I've been with Ben. I like his style,
I know what he brings to the table. You pair
that with a defense, and look, Chicago's always always always
been known for its defense. Obviously. Still I hate to
(21:54):
say it, no four thousand yard passer.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Okay.
Speaker 7 (21:57):
I think this is the year where the Bears sort
of flip that upside down. I think the Bears become
an offensive football team. Now you have to play good
defense in that division. But if Caleb can play up
to what a lot of people and the Bears think
he can, they're gonna be a dangerous team. Now, there
is going to be some growth that's needed from Caleb.
But I do think the hiring of Ben Johnson, I
(22:21):
do think all those offensive skill players, if Caleb can
just get it through his head that hey, I don't
have to be perfect on every single play, and I
don't have to make plays by myself. Like I felt
like he played some hero ball last year, and he
played some hero ball the year before at USC.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Now his junior year, he relied.
Speaker 7 (22:41):
Back at USC, you got to go back two years.
He relied a lot on the players around him. If
he can trust the players around him and the coach
around him, I think they're gonna have a really successful year.
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Speaker 2 (23:07):
So Chase two years ago, Cole Comette had over seventy catches.
Last year, I think he was the most underutilized offensive
player the Bears had. I keep saying that, and he
had mid forty catches. And then you think of you
being around Ben Johnson the tight end coach, now Ben
Johnson the head coach, tight end point of emphasis or
(23:27):
tight end, you kind of earn your spot within the
offense and then you go from there.
Speaker 7 (23:34):
Well, I think this is what I love about Ben
Johnson's offense is that it starts from the inside out.
You start with the running back, the two edit monster
they had last year. Okay, in Detroit. You look at
DeAndre Swift. I thought he was under utilized the first
like six seven games of the year. He started getting
more carries as a year went on. And then you
look at the tight end. They played a lot of
twelve personnel. I imagine in Detroit they're going to play
(23:55):
a lot of twelve personnel here, and it's going to start. Hey,
if you want to zone this out co Comette, you
should have seven eight catches a game between Colston and
you and get Colston going. And he's he's a sort
of a do it all type guy. And I think
they're building it a certain way. And you can tell
on paper, right, you have some good weapons outside? Yes, absolutely,
And then how do you get Luther Burdens some touches
(24:18):
like Roma Dunes and Dj Moore to me or one
of maybe the most underrated duos in the league if
they're playing up the standard. So you put all that
together and you take the pressure off Caleb and say, hey,
let's start inside out. I think it's going to be
a good day for a good year for the tight ends.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
They got one of you here.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Veteran quarterback Case Keenum entering year team. Why is he
your guy?
Speaker 7 (24:40):
Tell me so, I've known Case for a long time
Texas high school football. Went to a small school in
Houston and said just about every NCAA record there was,
and it comes to passing. I think he played fifteen
years in high school for fifteen years in college. But
he's going after my fourteen years. He's entering your third
(25:00):
and you know Case, Case is the perfect guy for Caleb.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
I go to a Christian dude.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Ranch camp with a bunch of ex NFL.
Speaker 7 (25:12):
Well, I guess X some NFL guys that are still
my friend, whether it be like Case Keenum, Andy Dalton,
Ben Roethlisberger's there, or some other quarterbacks are there too.
It's just our families hanging out together. And every year, man,
I lead going. You know, I had the most sole
with Case. He's just like, he's just a funny dude,
but understands he's been in about every situation possible. And
(25:33):
I think that I mean, obviously, you know, I think
there was a little bit of stink made over this
capa Williams film thing.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
He doesn't watch film. Okay, I think that you have
a guy.
Speaker 7 (25:43):
Like Case to sort of teach or for Caleb to
lean on and situations in the quarterback room. Hey, like, Caleb,
what do you think about this? It's sort of how
I was with Mitch. Biscuit's sort of how I was
my entire career. It's a veteran mentor, and there's a
fine line on how to walk that line. As a remember,
do you give too much information? Do you not give
a lot do you just wait for him to come
(26:04):
to you. There's a dynamic there and that starter, backup relationship.
You can ask Tom Brady, you can ask Drew Brees,
you can ask anyone. It's important because it's the first
guy they go to most of the time when they
get off the field. Is Hey, what you see what
you see? Tom Brady did with Blaine Govert. Drew Brees
did it with me, And I think that's sort of
the ear that Cayleb Williams is going to have if
he utilizes them the correct way.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
So Chase the first game of the year, Kevin O'Connell
is going to get ready to go against Dennis Allen.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
You got to know him.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Give us a little snippet about what we should expect
in the development of the defense.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Yeah, I mean that's a great question. Da is a
great coach. I was with DA when he was I
feel like I've been with everyone guys. My goodness.
Speaker 7 (26:48):
I was with DA when he was a defensive backs
coach for US in like nine, ten and eleven, and
I think he makes a really good defensive coordinator right attacking.
I feel like you're gonna see more blitzing and I
haven't seen any of this just based on his scheme.
This this third down package they call it shake Silver,
(27:08):
So the Greg Williams type scheme where you're bringing three
off an edge or three off this edge and then
all of a sudden they'll drop eight on you. Right,
So I think they're gonna utilize their backers well, I
think the secondary. I think they're gonna be more aggressive
in terms of challenging underneath throws, which is a good thing.
They're gonna give up some deep passes, but that's sort
of the mindset that he brings. And look, everything that
(27:32):
a head coach does, I think the most important hires
are their defensive coordinator, especially if you're an offensive coach,
and I think da I think they hit it out
of the park with him.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
All right, cup more, if you got a minute one,
I don't want to bypass Tyson Beijing. The guy has
worked his tail off. Yeah, and I see a bright future, entight.
I'm just I'm all in on Tyson Beijing as well
as a guy who wants to be that guy and
get playing time and knows he's behind a number one overall.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Pick.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
What advice do you give to a guy like Tyson Invasion.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (28:02):
Look, I mean look, my career arc was never hey,
I'm going up up.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
There were some lows or some valleys.
Speaker 7 (28:10):
I was cut multiple times, there was like times only
started five games in my career. You just got to
be consistent, and look, this is the business of the NFL,
and unfortunately, right or for whatever you want to say,
this is just the hand you're dell.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
It doesn't mean that you're never.
Speaker 7 (28:29):
Going to get a chance to start again, because I
thought he played well in the games that he's played.
But there is a certain way to do things, and hey,
if your numbers ready, you gotta be. If your numbers called,
you have to be ready, or whether it be injury
or whatso, let's talk on some wood for that not
to happen. But I do think that just being ready
and being in the right situation, because I had a
lot of times in free agency where I would maybe
(28:50):
get X amount more than this scenario, but I'd choose
this scenario because it was better for my career, for
elongating my career. I just think the longer you can stay,
the more helpful you can be to the starter, the
better your relationships with the coaches, all the intangible stuff.
Really you have to build up because on the field
stuff will come.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
But you can make.
Speaker 7 (29:10):
A really great living, have your brain intact like mine
is right now, and not getting hit for playing backup
in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
I no, that's not what he wants, and that's not
what I wanted.
Speaker 7 (29:19):
But eventually you're you're always working toward that next step.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
All right, last question, you post it on Twitter, so
I want to I know, I want to hear what
the feedback was. Tom, you'll get a kick out of this.
He posted, are you a wins is a quarterback stat
person or a wins are not a quarterback stat person?
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Why?
Speaker 5 (29:37):
Or why not?
Speaker 1 (29:37):
So what is your answer? And then, Tom, I want
to hear your answer. He's the way they get Hey,
they're the only player that gets the record attached to
their performance. It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
It is crazy.
Speaker 7 (29:49):
Look I think that and this was specifically about a
Joe Burrow topic we had, but when it comes to wins,
I think it's so incredibly detailed because you could play
the best game you've ever played in your entire life,
but twenty one other starters suck that day. And if
(30:09):
you're just being completely honest, I hate saying it like that.
And so a guy could drop a pass, your defense
could give up thirty points, and you still threw for
four hundred yards. Ultimately, I think there's no bigger component
of a quarterback's play then does he win? Right, Like,
look at Tom Brady in those years that he was winning.
Now you've ended up putting a lot of stats. It's
(30:30):
a very very very.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Fine line to walk.
Speaker 7 (30:33):
I tend to be that wins are not a quarterback
stat type guy. However, there's no more important position on
the field that translates to wins other than quarterback. So
then I skew that way as well, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Yes, you know, to me, to me, in the modern
day era football, it is probably probably attachable and analytically
to the quarterback position. But when you look at Bob Greasy,
Terry Bradshaw, Jim McMahon in the era where the running
game set the precedence of the offense for performance, Yeah, Troy,
you know, when we you know, we could go through
(31:14):
so many guys that you know their success was as
much related to the offensive line in the running back position.
But now in the last twenty years, it's probably more
to the quarterback than it is those other you know,
ten guys on offense. Yeah, it's it's a very well.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Tell the Borough stat, the Borough stat like you posted
it if you don't have an office. In eight losses
last season, Bengals gave up thirty four points a game
and scored twenty eight. Team scoring twenty eight or more
would have been one forty and twenty two last season,
but they lost eight games.
Speaker 7 (31:50):
So eight of those twenty two losses right when you
scored twenty eight points. And I'm trying to get these
guys on my show because they're like against Burrow to understand,
like you cannot. He threw for forty nine hundred and
thirty four yards and forty three touchdowns and nine interceptions.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Both led the NFL.
Speaker 6 (32:07):
You you, you can't play much better like it, just
if you're around a better team, if they're built better
in in Sincy, he doesn't feel the need to have
to show out and then have these five touchdown games.
Speaker 7 (32:22):
And he can he can delegate more, but he felt
the need to because they were giving up so many
Dad Gun points.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Joe Burrow, Joe Burrow is the modern day uh Dan Marino.
No from the Cincinnati are from the San Diego Chargers.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Dan Fouts, I say, Dan Marino, I fear that he's
gonna have both one day. They both they both went
to one super Bowl. You know, is that that would
be that would going to.
Speaker 7 (32:46):
Say Philip Rivers for a little bit, because that's sort
of well, that's.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
You know, to anyway, consider him more of a modern
day guy when you look at Dan Foules and what
he did back got over you know, thousands of passing
yards and never really winning.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Chase, that was all awesome. Thank you so much. Keep
up the good work. You're doing great.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Thanks guys, appreciate you having me on.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
Thanks Chase.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
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