All Quarter Century Team: Cornerbacks - Cleveland Browns Daily - 7.16.25

On this First Friday edition of CBD, the guys select CBs for the Browns all quarter-century team (1:19:50). Beau and Z analyze Phil Simms' QB rankings (33:21) and look at ten bold predictions for the upcoming season from Jeffri Chadiha in Thing or Not a Thing (1:09:23).

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Speaker 1 (00:14):
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Speaker 2 (00:37):
It's still alive on a first Friday Miracle edition to
Cleveland Browns Daily. I am merely bow. He is the
man in black, the great ductor Z.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
I don't know if it's just I got a baby boy,
but Carolina blue right now is really baby blue? Speaking
of me, it's gorgeous. And you put it with a black.
You had the shorts on similar yesterday.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yeah, yeah, I think exact same. Probably they were they
read Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, of course, there is no
other reason to have another golf short.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
There's no reason have another short. That's so you could
have I think Jories or some of the legends or whatever.
But that's a different it's a different feel. Yeah, it's
a different I wish though that I could get the
unlined nine inch viewrys and more colors.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
I don't. That isn't something I'm looking for, So I
did not know that that was limiting that it's limited.
I thought that they had one color for all of it.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
Yeah, no, not. The unlined is in a nine inches
Apparently it's only people like me want it.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
I guess. So I guess, all right. I have a.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
Grievance to air go, and I know that there's a
bunch stuff we're going to get into and all that
will be very, very fun, but still really not a
whole lot going on in the sports world until we
get to the Open, which is gonna be fantastic. Yep,
I'm so geeked for it. Emmy's came out yesterday, Emmy
nomsh okay yep. Severn's got twenty seven, which is deserved.

(02:04):
I thought that was one of the finest.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Watch the first episode, and then the way that it
worked out was we were we must have been going somewhere,
and I it's sitting.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
There and I just don't find out anything about it.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
I won't. I won't. I've imagined this far. The second
season's come and gone and and I'm fine, so like
all that. All I need, all I need to do
is to just get back into it. But yeah, it's
right there. So twenty seven nomination sevens yep.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
Which is totally appropriate. Zero nominations okay for the Righteous
gem Sunds. That's criminal, and like it is the funniest show,
it is a comedy tour to force like you don't

(02:51):
have to it's not doesn't necessarily is it eligible?

Speaker 2 (02:54):
Can I ask? Is it eligible? It was eligible?

Speaker 4 (02:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:57):
Okay, I didn't know if I missed the time because
it just finished airing Uncle Baby Billy. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
Not being nominated is.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Ludicrous, yeah, certifiable, yeah, ludicrous. Fair.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
So that's my that's my grievance. The first thing I
just was curious of if he's ever even got has
he gotten any Emmys? Or do you just not like him?

Speaker 2 (03:19):
No?

Speaker 3 (03:19):
No, no, any of the moment.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
Oh, I don't think my hunches that Emmy voters weren't
crazy about Eastbound and down There. Yeah, remember though too,
like The Wire never won an Emmy and it's probably
the best thing that's ever been done, and it never
was It never won an Emmy. So there, there's are
examples of this being the case. But has Danny ever

(03:43):
won one?

Speaker 3 (03:44):
No?

Speaker 4 (03:45):
I see that this is it.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
They did receive something.

Speaker 4 (03:48):
I saw the Writers Guild Award.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
Yeah, that would check.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
Okay, hold on Jemstones did hold.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
On, hold On Maybe the Grievances, hold On.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
The White Lotus and DC Comics Right the Penguin both
earned twenty four nouns. A piece Penguin was it was
good too, very believable. Last of Us had seventeen. Blah
blah blah. Hold On. In the fifth and final season,
the Rights of Gemstones did pull in six nominations.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
But none in the categories that we're looking for, like
Best Comedy.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
To see what their nominations were, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
Best Comedy and best uh you know Supporting Actor for
Uncle Baby Billy, I.

Speaker 4 (04:30):
Mean teen Choice Awards got a write. In two thousand
and nine, Danny McBride was the breakout star.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Well, yeah, I believe they had that. I think he's
the answer to who's the funniest person on the planet.
I think it's him, Oh McBride, McBride, I think to
do it. I think he could go in any room
and slay like I think he could walk in with
like brigats whoever those the A list stand up guys
are I think he goes into that room and then
then he wins.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
Agree.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
What's the end? Is that this is the end? Is
that the one where he just.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
Oh they okay, they got six nominations Cinematography, music, supervision, sound, editing, costumes,
makeup and stunt coordination's grievance back.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
Yeah, you're justified. Judy deserves one. She was unbelievable that
he deserves one's unbelievable. Doctor Watson, why not give him one?

Speaker 3 (05:17):
Doctor Watson?

Speaker 2 (05:19):
You didn't even talk about that because you went on
maternity when that happened, like when those episodes, because I remember,
is mister Watson there, doctor Watson there?

Speaker 3 (05:28):
Yet?

Speaker 2 (05:29):
No, I'm like, oh god, he dialo.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
He was diabolical doctor Watson.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
That's all he wanted. It was a little doctor Watson.
That's shameful. It's shameful that those people.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
Goggins is audi like, so he's.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
Nominated for Lotus, but he's not nomin He was a
crudd and lotus lotus. It was a crud man. He
was just in a bad mood all the time.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
Yeah, just was Yeah, No, I'm with you, yeah, crazy
all right, Mount Rushmore on the spot right now, go
Mount Rushmore of TV, not movie. We'll do TV just like,

(06:13):
but they can't be the main character, so like ensemble
or secondary characters ever.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Like supporting, Yeah, Rushmore TV supporting. Do you want to
just make this I mean, because this could be an
hour if we do. Are we doing just drama comedy?
Let's just make it common fine, keeps it fine, keeps
us out of like the Polly Walnuts and all that.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
But Polly Walnuts might be a comedy at times. He
might be a comedic performer.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
She was in Terryo Decorator. Yeah, so uncle baby Billy
is on it, like no question. Yeah, I would go
uncle baby Billy, I would go Kramer or would we
say Kramer is too main?

Speaker 3 (06:55):
No? So that was like it, so my ford. I
wrote this down very quickly.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
Hold on a couple of years yet, so I go
uncle baby Billy, I go Kramer. Yeah, I am a
big funk man. I'm a big funk man. And one
more and Leon.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
Okay, dude, we okay.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
Did you have that.

Speaker 4 (07:16):
Same?

Speaker 2 (07:17):
That's crazy? That's nuts, Like all the sidefeld bit characters,
all of all the whole world was there, Yeah for us,
And that's that's yeah. Funk band, Kramer, Baby Billy, Leon,
that's wild. Yeah, I wrote down the same Baby Billy deserves.
He's in that pantheon though.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
No one from the Righteous Gemstones has ever been nominated
for a Golden Globe or an Emmy.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
I mean that's wild. Yeah, that is absolutely wild.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
It is Uncle baby Billy is. I mean, he's a masterpiece.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
Like.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
I saw a dude the other day driving down four
eighty and maybe people out there listen, you've seen him, gibbe,
Maybe you've seen this guy in a it's a purple
and gold motorcycle of some sort where it is like
the gold like looks like it's actual gold. Really, and

(08:15):
this guy got quaff. I mean he's kind of like
I feel like he's like what Baby Billy looked like
before his hair went white, like when he was when
he was throwing caution of the Weend with Dusty Daniels
in two thousand. Like, that's what that guy was. I
almost crashed my car. It was self driving. Fortunately luckily

(08:35):
you didn't, but I wanted to take a picture. But
then I also was like I.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
Don't want to offend, yeah, to fight you.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
Yeah, this is a man on a motorcycle.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
Respect respect. Yeah, No, I have you ever seen that guy?
I have not.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
Oh man, I've always seen him once and I'm on
that road every day.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
Every day, Yeah, that's a good list. That's shameful McBride
hasn't won one for uh for powers, I mean because
Stevie Janowski's unbelievable too.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
Like Ashley Safer, I considered writing.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Oh my god, Shafer, Yeah, it's really good. I mean,
I love Costanzo costanz Is. I almost think Castans is
like a lead though. I mean it's so I think
he's more of a like a lead on Seinfeld, I
think to me, because the ones that always got their
own stories were Jerry, George, Elaine and Kramer sometimes, but

(09:32):
the other three almost always had their own angles. So
I almost feel like, I know it's those four, but
to me, it feels like Alexander, Louis Dreyfus and Seinfelder.
They're kind of like their main. Kramer's right there. He
might be a cheat code. He might be too much
of a main to be on this list.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
You could make case that they're all Maine.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
That maybe he's a Maine, but the first three definitely are.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
He's never been nominated for Danny McBride, no Emmys for anything.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
It's wild. That's wild.

Speaker 4 (10:03):
Yeah, that's embarrassing. That's that's the Hollywood bias. We need
sophisticated humor.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
I guess he's gotta be Yeah, there's no reason for that. Well,
that's just like when Fraser, Like I want to say
that show Fraser won the Emmy almost every year in Seinfeld,
Like Fraser won way more than Seinfeld And which one endured?
How many is LD won for Curb? That's some Well,
look at I mean Kurby Your Enthusiasm Emmy Awards through
the years.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
So it says JB. Smooth has won one Prime Time
Emmy Award Outstanding Actor in a Short Form Comedy or
Drama Series for his role in the Mapleworth Murders at
the twenty twenty one Creative Arts Emmys. Does the funk
Man have any Emmys?

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Well, he could have for way back, like Dick Van Dyke,
Show Stuff, Super Dave Osborne.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
List of awards and nominations received by Curb Your Enthusiasm.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
He was great. I can't say he.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
Wasn't Outstanding Directing, Outstanding Comedy Series Directing. I was saying lead.
Cheryl's been nominated, Larry's been nominated Outstanding Lead, Larry nominated again,
Larry nominated again, Cheryl nominated again, Larry, Larry, Larry.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
But I don't know. They don't have any Emmy. They
never won the Emmy. Kirby Enthusiasm never won the Emmy.
They won a Best Single Camera Picture Editing for Palestinian Chicken,
and they won a Directing for Comedy Series for Crazy
Eyes Killer.

Speaker 4 (11:33):
About the Palestine.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
Actor in a Comedy Series, Bill Hayter was nominated for
Igor greg Or and t Moore, which is great. Brian
Cranson for Running with the Bulls, lin Manuil Miranda for Fatwa,
Michael J. Fox for Larry Versus Michael J.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
Fox.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
Yeah, they won was Outstanding Single Camera Picture. They're nominated
for so much stuff.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
Now, how do you not win Best Series ever?

Speaker 3 (11:56):
And you're nominated every single year?

Speaker 2 (11:58):
To not win Best Comedy Series? Absolutely crazy. I can't
believe the funk Man never gotten on. Cheryl got a
lot of names. I can't believe Susie never gotten Susie
would be Susie could be Susie's Rushmore adjacent. Yeah, she
would be most certainly. Here's one from Josh. I have
a small segment for you. Guys. Both of you are
creating a Danny McBride show. Picked the premise of the

(12:18):
show you'd create then pick only characters from his shows
to cast the one that's sitting there and it's in
the realm. So he's done professional Athlete, he's done Megachurch,
and he's done like the Vice Principal show. Anything in
the political sphere would be off the charts funny, yes,
like Southern congressman, Southern state senator, congressman. Of course he

(12:43):
could be. But like, isn't that It isn't that just
sitting there, especially in today in this climate, Like.

Speaker 4 (12:49):
Can we make it like if we've redid the series
It was a more serious tone, but redid it in
the comedy version of a Designated Survivor and he's the guy.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
Yeah, so I mean it's waiting for isn't that a Keefer?

Speaker 4 (13:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (13:03):
He isn't that? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (13:04):
Yeah, Well that's what I mean, like a less serious.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
And Julia Louis Dreyfus did it with Veep, which is great.
Veep is awesome, But like the if you took like him,
like as trying to be like a city councilman in
in you know, Charleston, South Carolina, all the way and
all the corruption that he would enjoy throughout, I mean
you could feel like you could turn into like a

(13:28):
boss hog type character of Charleston. I feel like that's
a win. Isn't that undefeated? Like, how's that not hit?

Speaker 3 (13:35):
Well, of course it would hit. Yeah, I have another
nomination for you for our category of side like supporting
actor or ensembles. No ho Hank from Barry Is.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
I never watched Barry Oh, never watched it.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
Okay, meets all your criteria four four seasons, Bill Hayter. Yeah,
it's unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
I've a lot of people say it's great. It just
never I tried. I think one episode and it didn't take.
But I'll run it back. I'll run it. I'll give
it a shot.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
Please do.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
I'm willing to give it a shot.

Speaker 3 (14:05):
No ho Hank, You're gonna love No ho Hank, No
ho Hank. And Christ who's the actor Anthony Kerrigan?

Speaker 2 (14:11):
I don't know if I know him? This guy, Yeah,
I don't know that guy. No solid, Oh my solid.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
And then Steven Root now that guy in the Raven,
he's the Raven.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
He's very good. Yeah, I've seen him in a lot
of things.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
Yeah, he's in a Dodgeball.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
There you go. Uh. Fifty days until the NFL season opener,
between the Cowboys and the Eagles on Thursdays.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
Sanker fourth. Thank goodness.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
If we're gonna be here, we might as well go.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
Let's go.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
I'm kind of like, if it's on, let's go, let's
get some games going.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
I mean, we're gonna have a fun training camp in
the sense that there's going to be a lot to
look at in in terms of in terms of quarterbacks
and all of that. And you know, Schador's got barbecues
going on. He's obviously putting in the work. I know that.
You know some people, Oh well he's doing it on
social media. Other people are working, and of course I'm

(15:05):
sure everybody you should be working.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
Yeah, it's just the world we live. It Like to
be like, oh he's to begrudge him, that is silly, ridiculous.
He's grown up that way. It's the only way he
knows is that way everything he I mean, that's a
part of the brand. It's part of how these kids
are growing up totally.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
And they're not only incentivized to do it, they're like
expected to do it. And it just is what it is. Like, Yeah,
I think listen, I like him a lot. I hope
to see him get into some high leverage situations where
he can try to prove himself. I've said all along,
you know, I think it's Kenny Pickett's job to lose.

(15:43):
I think if he does lose it, it will likely
be to Joe Flacco. I think Joe Flacco's here in
case picket falls on his face. I think the start
is very tough for a rookie. Rookie obviously can go
and seize the job. And I think it would be
obvious based on just looking at the way the draft went,
that Dylan Gabriel would get yes the first chance amongst
the rookies, And then I talked about all along, I
still think I see this season as like three quarterback wave,

(16:06):
and you've got each quarterback who starts the first wave,
their job is to not let the next wave come.
Whoever starts gets the first six games, if you can
do well enough, go four and to heck, three and
three would probably feel like a big win in those
six games.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
If it's one of the young guys and they went
too and four and played well and feel like a win,
totally yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
And your goals to not let you know the next
six come in. And then your goal is not to
let the last five come in. My guess is that
order would be something like Pickett, Gabriel and then and
then Shador.

Speaker 4 (16:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
I think I think what you said makes all the sense.
I almost want to see all three of them. I
hope to see all three of them in a high
leverage spot no matter what. Yeah, Like in less one
of them's James Daniels, then okay, fine, but like sure
it is the only one.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
Who could be Jayden Daniels is Shaudor.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Yeah, I think that's probably fair.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
Yeah, Like he was some people who do this at
a high level for living, he was their favorite quarterback
in this draft. Yeah, and the people that were his
quote unquote detractors still thought he was a top forty
prospect and the clear number two quarterback in this draft.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
Yeah, so he's the.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
One who could do I mean, you go look at
what he did in college, all of those things. It's
just going to be a question of does he get
has he done the things that are not apparent just
on tape that need to be done to get those opportunities,
and then does he get the opportunities, and then if
he does, what does he do with them?

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Yeah? Yeah, So if you get that type of performance. Fine,
that guy stays, but otherwise I really want to see
those three all in a high leverage spot and see
how they see what happens.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
You have two joint practices coming up. Yeah, and in
those two joint practices you've got Carolina and the defending
Super Bowl champs. Now, Caroline is a team that at
the end of the year I thought was like on
the up and up. Bryce young looks definitely like the
real deal. Towards the end of the year. They could
run it with Shuba Hubbard. They've got some good weapons.

(18:03):
Now they got team added t Mac to the receiver room.
I like what they're doing. But that is you know,
maybe in those joint practices you do let the younger
guys get more opportunities. At the same time, you could say, well,
let's let whoever's gonna start Week one get more opportunities
that week because you want them to have some like, yeah, confidence,

(18:24):
because Philly's gonna be tough, Like those are gonna be
tough joint practices for us, I would think. I mean,
if you're handicapping them super Bowl champs, Philly's probably pretty loaded.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
Yeah. Here's the other thing about all of this is like,
these preseason games that we're going to play are going
to be incredibly important. Obviously they're critical in terms of
just analyzing players, but beyond that, for for us, you
and I what we do, and for the audience out
there who's Browns fans, you're gonna want to watch every

(18:56):
snap of these preseason games, yep, into every snap because
you're gonna play four quarterbacks. Sometimes you probab probably won't
see much of Flaccos. You're gonna play three quarterbacks, but
either Shadoor or Dylan is going to be playing in
the fourth quarter. There's no reason to give anybody else
a snap other than Pickett, Shaudor and Gabriel. That's it. Yeah,
those three need to split all of the snaps in

(19:17):
the preseason, and so one of those three is going
to be taking snaps in the fourth quarter, and those
snaps are going to be meaningful because there aren't enough
reps to go around. Oh, this is something I had
We had Kevin on right before, right at the end
of camp, and I asked him about it. I'm like,
I'm not expecting you to tell me, but do you
have a plan for rep wise, how this is gonna work,

(19:39):
and and I and the question they do I know,
but also I can give you the answer to it.
There's no way for it to be equitable. There's enough
time to be equitable.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
And you it's got to be a plan that is
in pencil because it's got to be able to be
nimble based upon what you see. Yeah, because there could
be a great deal of change that results based on
what it is that you see.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
And I said this line to him, and it's it's
worth repeating for the audience because it's something sometimes you forget.
This isn't nineteen seventy two Woody Hayes, Ohio State, one
hundred and fifty guys on the practice team and three
and a half hour practices twice a day.

Speaker 3 (20:22):
I do think we'll see more thorough practices, but there'res
but it's still.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
Limited and it's and it's it is absolutely locked in
the amount of time they can be on the field
with the CBA totally. So you're not doing six hours,
you know, two a day's morning and night three hour
practices each like they'd used to do, you know when
Deeke was peak. I mean, it's just not like that.
So like you have this amount of time, it's finite.

(20:47):
You have four quarterbacksually have young guys who need a
ton of reps to see what they're all about. You
got a young guy who's a veteran who you if
you want him to be ready to start Week one.
That's how this has to go. Yep. And it's just
there's none of time. It just isn't. So the way
that they can get those reps back is going to
be in the preseason. Yep. That's where they're gonna be

(21:07):
able to make make a little bit of hay and
make an impression. So every snap into the fourth quarter
of a preseason game is gonna matter totally. And I
do wonder, like do they do they have some of
the vets play longer in those games to give like
a more real look, you know, like the offensive line.
Do you do you make sure that I mean you
don't need to see Joel and Wyatt in anything but
like Jack either, but like, you know, do you keep

(21:28):
that second group in longer to give kind of an
apples to Apple's look for a couple of guys. I
don't know. Those are all things Kevin's gonna have to figure.

Speaker 4 (21:34):
Out what And you've got three joint practices, like give
an early joint practice.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
Yeah, very early. Well that's what I was talking about, Like,
that's one that you might you know, we're gonna see
kind of what that what that looks like?

Speaker 2 (21:46):
There? All right? The SP's are tonight eight o'clock Dolby Theater, LA.
Shane Gillis will host. I feel like he'll kill it, right,
I mean he'll kill it. Feels like everything he does
right now works. Yeah, so good with that. Yeah, I
feel like he'll kill it. All right. You want us
to give some predictions for the following yeah, it we
pulled out a couple. Go ahead, give it all right,

(22:08):
So if we're taking a look here at the SBS. Yeah,
by the way, McAfee, how about the week he's at Atlanta,
like the first two days?

Speaker 4 (22:15):
La?

Speaker 2 (22:16):
Today he's there today?

Speaker 4 (22:17):
Yeah, Yeah, he's got a lot going on. He's traveling. Man,
He's gonna be at the Hall of Fame. Is he
on the on Thursday for the Hall of Fame game
in two weeks?

Speaker 2 (22:28):
Is any is there anybody that he played with going in?
Is there a cult going in that I'm unaware of?

Speaker 4 (22:33):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (22:34):
Forget this is I don't know this class.

Speaker 4 (22:36):
I know it's Chargers Leons. I believe no one plays anyways.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
Yeah right, all right, Uh from a.

Speaker 4 (22:47):
Standpoint, your best athlete men's sports Josh Allen, Saquon Barkley,
Shay Gilders, Alexander Show, Hey Atani oh.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Atani, Right, I mean he went fifty to fifty and
they won the World Series. Yeah, so I think it's
got to be Tony Segar.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
Yeah, I'll go with Otani.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
All right. He's like he's.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
He's like two of the people on the list, you
know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Yeah, And I mean the other thing is is on
that one you're looking for, you're also going to be
looking for team accomplishment two and you know him and
SGA both won it. But yeah, I think it'll be.

Speaker 4 (23:32):
The best play is Saquon Barkley's backwards huddle. Tyrese Haliburton
calls game in Game one of the NBA Finals, Sabrina Eanescu,
thank you Them, logo three game winner and w NBA
Finals Trinity Rodman with the offense overtime goal to send

(23:54):
the US women's national team with the semi finals in
the twenty twenty four Olympics.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
I like Halliburton probably Halliburton.

Speaker 4 (24:03):
And he did it like I'm the Olympic guy five
different times. That's a big move for me.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
Well, you know it should be nominated. That isn't that
I think is crazy? Is the golden Dagger Steph Curry's
three to win the gold medal for the men.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
That's a good point. I wonder why that wasn't.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
Where that was like basically on double teamed.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
But yeah, and that probably could be. Like best performance
was what he did in the in the end of
the game. He was saves gold.

Speaker 4 (24:31):
He's nominated. Oh okay, he's nominated for that later on.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
Oh okay, Yeah, that the best And I'll be honest
with you, this is going to be real minute. The
best play, honest and goodness, might be Anthony Richardson's throw
from week one against.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
It was crazy.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
He's getting hit, falling back flat foot and throws at
seventy five yards in the air and the drops it
in a bucket.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
That was one where we had played the one o'clock game. Yeah,
and you were obviously yeah the game calling it and
I was on, I was watching on, I was watching
red Zone. There was the Colts games on a lot
and we came in on that Monday, and you're like,
Anthony Richardson might be the most ridiculous quarterback I've ever seen,
because you saw that play in a little bit of
that yes, and I'm like, dude, the other ninety throws,

(25:16):
he couldn't hit anything, just airmailing things, like just the
most inaccurate quarterback you've ever seen. But he had that.
You're right, that play is as spectacular as you're going
to get.

Speaker 4 (25:24):
I think they nominated half of sports for the best Team.
The best team nominees of the Florida Panthers, the Dodgers,
the Liberty, so anybody who won the championship, Buck Guys,
thunder Eagles, UNC for Women's Lacrosse, US Women's National University, Connecticut.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
Women's Best I mean, Buckeyes. I'm going to have the
most painful law I am, but I'm to have the
most painful loss you could ever have, to the point
where there's fights at midfield on your home field in
a game you never should have lost, and then two
months later you win the ultimate Prize. I think that's
pretty good, pretty good bath, pretty good story.

Speaker 4 (26:01):
Who would you have for the best college athlete? Cooper Flag,
Wyatt Hendrickson Travis Hunter or CJ.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
Travis Travis Hunter, Travis Hunter Hurst, c J. Hurst at
Cornell on the lacross side of things, broke the all
time scoring record. But no, it's it's Travis.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
That's the answer.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
If you would have if you would have made a
shot in the fourth quarter, I would say, yeah, play
in bounds. Play I mean, we can't get the ball
of it down. And then he miss. He did miss.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
He did miss, and he missed from like the elbow.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
Basically it wasn't very far. Sorry, sorry, sorry, Travis Hunter.
Travis Hunter.

Speaker 3 (26:38):
By the way, only four people getting elected to the
Hall of Fame this year, Eric Allen, Jared Allen, Antonio Gates,
and Sterling Sharp.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
That's not that is not so.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
Why is it the Lion I get why it's the Chargers.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
I don't know. Maybe there's needs somebody all his class.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
In two thousand and five.

Speaker 4 (27:02):
Best NFL Player, the Emmy nominees are Josh Allen, Saquon Barkley,
Lamar or Patrick certain Lamar Jackson.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
They threw over four thousand yards, let the league in
passing touchdowns, and he ran for over nine hundred yards.

Speaker 4 (27:15):
You're crushing it. In the regular season you can't win, squad.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
It's one of those things with him where it's a
little bit like he's won two and so they can't.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
That's why he should have been the MVP season.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
It was his best season.

Speaker 3 (27:25):
Yeah, give a, let's before we like kind of do
that kind of stuff, like let's be perennial playoff teams
and have m VP quarterbacks before we're like, you're great, terrible.

Speaker 4 (27:34):
To rate great?

Speaker 3 (27:35):
The Radlar season, Hey, hey, is that our show to time?

Speaker 4 (27:39):
Rappers? Screw them, That's what it is. Pittsburgh, I'm getting
in the mode. You want to go now?

Speaker 3 (27:48):
We want to go now, in the mode.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
Decided that we're going to go right now, we're going.

Speaker 4 (27:52):
Yep, we're going. If we're here, we might as well go.
All right, Screw Pittsburgh, screw Baltimore, and screw Northern Kentucky.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
All right, Yeah, we're with you. We're with you. There
we go, We're with you.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
Big on a Wednesday, He's ready, I'm done, done, There
you go.

Speaker 4 (28:13):
Uh best golfer Nellie Corda, Rory McElroy, Scottie Scheffler.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
The only ones I got I know who Scheffler and McElroy.
They're the only ones I've heard of who's already feels
like it should be Scotty though, right Winscheffler, He's won
the PGA and he's the best player in the world.

Speaker 4 (28:38):
By the way, at this time tomorrow we'll be rapid
getting ready to wrap up round one of the Open Championship.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
Yeah, pretty good. Royal Portrush.

Speaker 4 (28:46):
What was Where was the one I was missing that
had Stephan it because I don't see it.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
I mean, she just missed. Stark just missed the cut
at the Moondi Avion Championship. She didn't win her first
major this year.

Speaker 4 (28:58):
Okay, so you your best Championship performance nominees. Oh, there
you go, Simone Biles twenty twenty four Olympics Women's All Round,
Steph Curry, Freddie Freeman, Dodgers World Series MVP. Rory McElroy
wins the Masters, completing the Grand Slam.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
Rory, when you look back and about what he did
in that final round to give that thing up away,
it's really I mean the chip is it thirteen or twelve?

Speaker 3 (29:28):
When?

Speaker 2 (29:28):
When when's the chip? The crazy chip? Was it thirteen
at Augusta for Rory or twelve crazy chip where he
bladed it? Into the water.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
Oh this year, Yeah, it was on. Uh was he
other thirteen or fifteen? I think thirteen thirteen?

Speaker 2 (29:43):
Yeah, I think it was thirteen, and then like came
back and then he came back from it and made
Birdie on.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
Somebody analyzed the shots that he hit and if you
add up the probabilities of all three of those shots
being hit as close as they were from the spot
that they were hit, it's like a one in a
billion that he hit all three of them.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
It was also probably one in a billion for him
to have the shot he had on thirteen. A player
of his ability to just shank it. Yeah, it's just
a chip and he just shanked it. Yeah, I mean
it's all he did.

Speaker 4 (30:13):
I can do that.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
Yeah, we'll do it, lady. I still think it's Steph.
And I think that the Steph that that watching that
live and the stakes if they lose and it and
every here's the best players on the planet, and they
went to him every time down They did him and
Lebron sometimes in a two man game, but for the
most part it was Steph. Go. Yes, that's crazy with

(30:38):
Durant and Lebron and Edwards and all those guys and
it was time to go win and it was Steph go. Yeah.
I think it's and I think it's like a legacy
and I think it's like a top ten player all
time stuff for Steph. Yes.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
So I was, as I said, watching the celebrity by
the wait, it's fine that ol. It kind of looks
too much like a sea that's from the kids Luca.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
Oh there you go. Yeah, I thought maybe I didn't
know what. I wasn't sure exactly. You're right, it does
look it looks a little ABC.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
As I was saying that, I had watched a lot
of the celebrity the Lake Tahoe, Lake Tahoe, So Steph
was there. He had won it a couple of years ago,
didn't play last year due to the Olympics, and one
of the things they talked about is like he wanted
that gold medal more than anything at that point in
his career. It won, he'd done it all. That was

(31:31):
the one thing he wanted and this was really like
the only time that he was going to do it
absolutely So for that to be the case and then
to hit the shot and the call, that's why I
was able to recall it being the Golden dagger. That's
what the guy, the announcer said, It's.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
A golden dagger. It was Eagle's kid. Yeah, No, Eagle,
Eagle on the calls. Great call, great call.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
And it wasn't just that. I mean it was several shots.
They were all threes, and they were all some were
deep and it was all. The last one was he
was double teamed. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:59):
Yeah, He's like, I'm shooting it and I'm making it.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
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is Chris Simms. I am assuming I have this here. Yes,
I do good job at a young Bruns. I should

(33:26):
I do? I see it? All right? He grouped forty
six quarterbacks into eighteen tiers. I mean, that's so, that's
so ambitious. Only the top ten quarterbacks were assigned numbers.

Speaker 4 (33:42):
You want to start at number one and work your
way down, you want to start in the back.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
Well, here's what I'm always looking for with Sims. He's
always looking for something that will be an attention getter,
so it can drive a little controversy. So that's usually
his act on this. One thing that I will say
that I see pretty consistent is it feels like brock
Purty in terms of what he's a statistically accomplished, is

(34:09):
disrespected on these lists. He's not the only one, but
I mean he's the one that I see a lot,
and I'm like, on every one of these lists. He's
never in the top ten. No, he's usually like around
fifteen sixteen, And statistically he's better than that wins and losses,
he's better than that, and they're paying him better than that.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
Yeah. Well they're also coming off of a down year
by their standards.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
Yeah, all right.

Speaker 4 (34:35):
So the core four for Chris Simms, Lamar, Josh Burrow,
Mahomes one through four agreed, disagree at anybody else. That's
the top one.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
That's the top four. The order, it's in the eye
of the beholder. I do think that there is a
gap after those four to the next group. I think
those four are they're the ones.

Speaker 4 (35:05):
Surgicality is his next grouping. The three quarterbacks in this
tier are surgically accurate and simply don't miss many throws.
Number five, Jane Daniels, Number six, Matthew Stafford number seven.
C J.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
Stroud Are you sure we would say that?

Speaker 3 (35:22):
I feel this is like, I feel like this is insanity.
I feel like this list has gone on this where
we go off the rail right now, I feel like
the list has completely gone off the rails at this moment. CJ.
Stratt has no business in this category of of what
you saw last not last year. No business. By the way,
he's never completed more than sixty four percent of his
passes in the in the league. I think that you

(35:42):
actually and and that's not how I would categorize.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
I wouldn't know me either, And I don't even know
about Jayden Like surgically, he's Jame's like the I got
next for the core four guy based on what you
saw in your one.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
To me, he's right after that. But he was What
made him so good last year was that he was
surgical sixty nine percent completions. He had games where he
didn't have any incompletion, like he was true nuts surgical.
That group to me is actually Daniels. And then the
fact that Jared Goff is not listed in this group

(36:18):
and it is listed as a scheme dream to me
as bonkers bananas. Jared Goff had game last year without
an incompletion. Yeah, Jared Goff last year completed seventy two
point four percent of his passes three for four, six
and twenty nine yards, thirty seven touchdowns, twelve picks, a
rating of one hundred and eleven point eight. He was

(36:39):
a pro bowler. He was fifth in the AP in
the MVP voting. Jared Goff is in this to me,
the surgicality one, and he's trying to do it in
ranking order, which is why where he gets into problems.
Sergicaliti should be Daniels and it should be Goff and
based on and it's not what I would have ever

(36:59):
thought earlier for him, but based on last year. Last year,
I still led the league interceptions. But based on last year,
Bake was surgical. Bake completed seventy one percent of his
throws last year, seven one point four, career high by a.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
Mind realized it was that high.

Speaker 3 (37:18):
Through for forty five hundred yards forty one touchdowns, led
the league with sixteen picks. But he is his numbers
aren't even close to goffs and in this he's rated
ahead of GoF. I would put Base on last year
this category, and I don't think that's where it falls
apart is the numbers. You can rank them however you
want in the top ten, but you're Go's.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
Team to reverse engineer the rankings with the names of
the thing and doesn't make.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
Sense, which is done because then he gets the freedom
where he's not ranking, it's actually put people in appropriate rankings.
So I would have Daniels here, I'd have Goff, and
I actually would put I'd put Baker in this group,
but not to say that he's top ten. But and
the really the reality is, I think you put Party here. Yeah,
that's where Brock Party belongs, Pocket Rockets is Herbert Stafford.

(38:01):
And then that's where if you want to if you
still want to keep c. J. Stroud in like a
quote unquote elite category, that's where CJ. Stroud would be, right.
Would you agree with that?

Speaker 2 (38:10):
Yeah, for sure, he's not surgical.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
No, so I think that, and I'd even put you
could even put Aaron Rodgers here.

Speaker 4 (38:17):
Again, I'm going to continue to say this every time
I see these rankings come out. Are we sure that
we're this is where us? But are we sure that
Jane Daniels right now is the best quarterback in the
National Football League? After one year?

Speaker 2 (38:34):
It was a remarkable thing. He was sacking last year.
He was he's got to stack it. Yeah, I mean
it was I don't even care. Yeah, Statistically, statistically he
was even better than Stroud is a rookie, and Stroud
is off the charts as a rookie.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
Yes, he was.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
So he was even a little better than that, Like, but.

Speaker 3 (38:55):
Stroud to be where he is and he's never completed
sixty four percent of the passes is ludicrous to me.
It just the core four. These four are in a
cut above the next groupings and I really think that
I'm fine with the way we did. And then he
actually gets in they get to be okay. But like

(39:17):
for you're talking surgical Daniels, Goff, Baker, Purty, those are
people who are winning with high accuracy in the pocket,
all of it. Then you're talking about the pocket rockets
and Baker. I see what he's saying. But like, yes,
Baker does have a plus arm, but I mean he
did leave legue picks, but he also threw forty one touchdowns,
but he was he was kind of surgical.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
I just don't think and and my one point four
is surgical.

Speaker 3 (39:42):
It is. And when you think of Stafford and you
think of Herbert and strouton Rogers, they do have different
level arms and they're the big Yes, you know, it
just fits.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
And I have no.

Speaker 3 (39:52):
Problem with where Baker being in the top ten or
top twelve or whatever. That's the way that he's played.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
It's weird.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
The quarterback list it's like your top four are so
far above everybody else and you have people that are
knocking on it. And that's not to say that Goff wasn't. Statistically,
of course, he was better than Mahomes last year. A
lot of people were better than Mahomes lst year. But
that's just the vibe around it. I think it's kind
of like that's the core for the next best group
of four quarterbacks who are of that surgical are Daniels, Gough, Mayfield,

(40:22):
and then Perdy when he's been at his best. They
were decimated by Andrew that was down Yere. Then you're
talking about the next group who could all jump into
the top to be number five. But these are like
the flamethrower Stafford, Herbert Stroud and then may I put
question mark with Rogers, but that to me is where
he fits better than anything. And then there's Jalen Hurts,
who is a one tier guy and I don't think

(40:44):
he's tenth either because he makes it first to nine.

Speaker 4 (40:48):
Like that's when we get to Philly and we talk
to our guy there Spadero, what the thought is because
Siriani went off on a guy the other day because
he's there are a lot of reports out there in
Philly that they won with him, not because of him,

(41:09):
and Siriani dismissed him, called it bs and all this.
But I don't. I think he have the lowish yards
passing that he had in his career.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
I think and I think he's the perfect quarterback for
that team. Yes, he's the perfect quarterback for that team
because he's got a plus arm, he can throw the
deep ball. It's first and nine and now all of
a sudden you have Saquan alongside him. Now you've got
to deal with both of them if they decide to run.
I mean, it's whatever you want to do. That stuff

(41:39):
drives me nuts, like when people, because I don't think
players are coaches, think about crap like that at all,
about like, well did you win because of him or
for him? Like nobody thinks about that. They're thinking about
Jalen Hurts has a job to do, and he does
it for us better than anybody. I would bet you
there isn't maybe the core four, but they wouldn't trade
Hurts probably for anybody else. Oh, he fits what they

(42:01):
do perfectly. Yeah, Like I'm not talking about would they
rather would you rather have Jayden Daniels for the next
fifteen years. Yeah, probably, but in terms of like for
next year, who who gives them the best chance to win?
That's what they run, It's who they are.

Speaker 4 (42:16):
Yeah, if anything hurts, probably fits into that scheme.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
Dream Yeah probably, Yeah, yeah, I think, yeah, I know
what he's trying to say, but like and that should
have been like tuah, you know, but that hasn't worked
that way recently. I just think I think those are
the groupings, like right now, those are the quarterbacks that
have the ability to jump up Rogers I put and
I'm just basis on Tim we have like with shoes
and who said how good he actually was at the

(42:40):
end of last year. We'll see. There's a lot that
comes with him is obviously he's past his prime, but
he still can sling the football. So I think then
you get into good categories like want to touch niney, hilarious,
so close, Kyler Murray in love I like that.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
I think is going to say I don't have Kyle.
I don't love Kyler like that. I think he's very
You've got to build a scheme to work for him.
I don't think you could put him in it. I
think love you could kind of play anywhere.

Speaker 3 (43:07):
I think he's saying, he's tantalizing. Yeah, like Kyler last
year sixty eight percent completions, four thousand yards, twenty one touchdowns,
eleven picks, and then obviously what he can do with
his legs five hundred and seventy two yards, five touchdowns
and average seven point three yards a rush.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
Like I just wouldn't want to play that type of
football all the time all the time, where it's kind
of like a backyard football all the time, Like it
would be exhausting.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
Yeah, to do that. Jordan Love, I think is if
you're talking about people that could jump into these like
top what we have kind of three categories. Jordan Love
is one.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
Caleb Williams is one. I'm not ready. I'm not ready, yep.

Speaker 3 (43:41):
I'm really surprised that Nicks, that Drake May doesn't get
into the ready to launch the If you talk to
people around the league about Drake May love him, there's
a feeling that like Drake May is going to be
a superstar.

Speaker 4 (43:56):
Yeah, all right, would you have Bo Nicks ready to launch?
Your needs more info?

Speaker 2 (44:01):
I need a little more.

Speaker 3 (44:02):
In a really good year, one I would put Bo
Nicks down with Pennix in the need more info and
i'd move Drake May up to ready to launch.

Speaker 4 (44:09):
Is Caleb Williams ready to launch?

Speaker 3 (44:10):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (44:11):
Yeah, I think so. If he's not, then he ain't it. Yeah,
but so many people were like that He's just was
different and now you're gonna have really competent He's have
a full off season with this offense. They have weapons
at the wazoo.

Speaker 3 (44:22):
I just want to remind people for like, I think
there's a perception that his rookie season was a total disaster.
Completed sixty three percent of his passes through for thirty
five hundred and forty one yards, twenty touchdown, six picks.
That's his first year in the National Football League.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:37):
Now he's got Ben Johnson. He also ran for four
hundred and eighty nine yards. Now he's got Ben Johnson.
I think he's going to be just just fine.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
You know, two names on this that I think are
really at crossroads are in the is this it really
all three of them are at crossroads. But Dak, I
mean just did contract last year. He did a This
is a great grouping, it is, and you know, for Dak,
it's like you just got that big contract. They still

(45:08):
haven't done. They're always so slow with their contracts. They
got ceedee lamb done, they've got pickings. Like he's been
hurt a little bit, but when he plays, he's usually
pretty dang good. Yep. I mean, he certainly plays to
a level higher than where he has him ranked when
he's healthy. But he has been dinged up to uh.
I just think there's no way that he can is
this it? I just you can't stay healthy, you can't

(45:31):
can't plan for it. And then Trevor Lawrence is one
of the great what ifs. It's it's crazy.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
It's really wild to me.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
But he's down in this mix and it's justifiable because
it's but how much of it was undone by that
year with Urban, Like could he not recover from that?
And it feels like a lot.

Speaker 4 (45:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
Then you sit there and you watch them and like
you go watch them warm up and watch him makes
it you know, like this guy's unbelievable. Yeah, that's a
crazy one to me. I do think that. I mean,
that first year in the league is so important and
he got he was he didn't have just like bad
he had negatively negative impact coaching, like he had.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
So much so that as we sit here all these
you know, several years later since it happened, and you're
saying it was so bad that it maybe derailed the
most promising quarterback prospect since luck Yeah, like he was
the biggest sure thing since this year.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
If he's not good this year, I'm ready to say
he's not good.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
It's wild though, like that, you'd think you never would
have got there with him.

Speaker 3 (46:34):
He's going to have Hunter. Brian Thomas is a stud YEP.
If Hunter and Thomas they've got a good run game,
we've got some tight ends that can catch the football.
Who's coaching them? That Douval, the guy who came from.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
Tampa Bay and the weird Yeah, then the GM was
still there and then the GM gets fired.

Speaker 4 (46:56):
It's strange, But again that's just an un stable atmosphere
that you're walking into Again.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
I think it is now. I think it's stable. It's
just going to be very interesting.

Speaker 4 (47:09):
Like are the GM and coaching alignment? I don't know
the GM came in after the coach? Uh, don't you
forget about me? Not A scene from the Breakfast Club
Kirk Cousins. I love this escape from New York, Sam
Donald and Gino Smith.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
It's interesting. I don't know that they are. I would
put them in the same tier.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
No, no, no.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
Age is very different.

Speaker 4 (47:35):
Geno's done more than Darnald. Darnold had one.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
Donald one year in Minnesota.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
Promise as way more.

Speaker 4 (47:45):
Yeah, I mean I would also say the same thing.
They're still on the pot. Need to need to pooper,
get off the pot. Daniel Jones and Justin Fields, Like
I think we know what Daniel, what Danny Dimes is.
I don't think we know what Justin Fields is yet.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
This is he's going to get a two year thing
to see, you know. I mean he went to Pittsburgh
for a bag of balls, and you know they didn't
like him enough to where they didn't keep playing him
even though they had a winning They were three and
one with him, weren't they Pittsburgh when they benched him
for Russ with Fields?

Speaker 3 (48:20):
I want to say five?

Speaker 2 (48:21):
Were they five and one? He started at least he
started several the first several games, and it was like
he was five and one? Was he really five and
one before they went to Russ.

Speaker 4 (48:30):
Four and two with Fields?

Speaker 2 (48:31):
As the start split the difference? Okay, but I think
we started six games and they and they they went
in a different direction, so they were there. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (48:43):
Yeah, uh, the the Young mysteries. I'm I am interested
to see what Bryce Young is. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
I think he showed me a little bit last year,
and I think I think I think he's salvageable.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
By the way, four and two with him as the
starter of the last game he started was in Vegas.
They won thirty two to thirteen. That day. He ran
for two touchdowns, over twenty yards of offense, didn't turn
the football over, and ran for two scores. They won
thirty two to thirteen in his last start.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
I remember watching that game. Yeah, you can have Bryce
Young in the same category as JJ mccartny. Bryce Young,
How Young should be up?

Speaker 3 (49:20):
Bryce Young should being ready to launch?

Speaker 2 (49:22):
Yeah, I think so too. I I don't.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
I'm gonna throw some things out there and tell me
if you even remember this. Twenty four Okay, Bryce Young's
final three games, they beat Arizona thirty six to thirty.
They lose a game to Tampa, and then they beat Atlanta.
In those games, he throws for seven touchdowns, no picks.

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He runs for three more touchdowns in those games and
completes about seventy percent of his passes.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
So how can that be in the same category as
JJ McCarthy, who's never taken a snat.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
These are not not he needs to be in the
ready to go.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
Yeah, he's gotta be ready to go.

Speaker 4 (50:06):
Tell you what a JJ McCarthy's not the answer.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
They must they must believe that he is, though otherwise
they would because they didn't even they didn't even feign
interest at anybody like they were they were completely locked
into him. Where are guys on this?

Speaker 4 (50:23):
Give me the backup, supremes. The tier includes four of
the best backups in football, Joe Flacco, Malik Willis wouldn't
have that on the list, Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
How would we say that these are the best? I mean,
Joe should Joe is in a different kind of group
than these, But the idea that like, there's very little
similar between Willis, Winston and Mariota terms what their last
four or five years have been.

Speaker 3 (50:47):
Like I'll tell you what, and I'm gonna say something
that you might Yeah, first of all, that's ridiculous. Then
you get to the caretakers Minshew Aight, O'Connell, Dalton, mac Jones,
Trod Taylor, Stidham, Picket, Rush Mason, Rudolph Garoppolo Groppolo maybe
there at this point, scrip, any picket to me should
be in the still on the pot. Yeah, start if
you like, are you going to be a starter your
career star with high hopes adversity has been It fits

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the category perfectly. He's fifteen tennis. He's got a better
record than either one of those guys.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
Yeah, he should be, and he's their age. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
So Daniel Jones twenty four and forty four, so he's
actually started a lot more, many more games Field fourteen
and thirty. Yeah, and Pickett is fifteen.

Speaker 4 (51:28):
Yeah, I just I don't Andy Dalton should be a
backup supreme.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
But if you look at him from the standpoint of
should minshew Yeah, Jones was drafted in nineteen, Fields is
drafted in twenty one, Picket was drafted in twenty two.
So I mean per year in.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
The league, Yeah, he should be in that category.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
Yeah, Well that's what Chris does. It's good, suh.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
Yeah, it's the way I feel like he really tried
to shoehorn people early. Yeah, were not great shoehorns.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
He had to reverse engineer his rankings to fit categories,
and that's where you get into a little bit of trouble.
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the sports world. All Star Game. Did you watch any
of it last night? Major League Baseball All Star Game,
The Big Midsummer Night Classic?

Speaker 3 (53:33):
I did not I know that. Our good friend in
the preseason TV play by play voice, the Cleveland Browns,
Chris Rose, was there covering the game as he does
for John Boy Media, and he had a very interesting
microphone that he was interviewing people with. It was supposed
to be a bat but it was just it was
it was a scene.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
I did not see this. Is it on his scenes?

Speaker 3 (53:57):
Yeah? It sounds Instagram.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
Okay, all right, here he is. Let me see.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
That was at least my takeaway.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
All right, I'm on his twitter. I don't see any
Oh no, it would be on the Instagram. Oh here
I see that thing, Rosie, I see it. Yeah, I
see it.

Speaker 4 (54:21):
Now you have to bring that to training camp, Chris,
I think I've seen that thing before.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
In a different capacity, very different capacity.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
Yeah, So I said, I told the boys, I go, uh,
I go, I go throwing the Nobody saw that and
was like, Chris didn't see that, and go, why just
give me the Bob Barker, Give me the Bob Barker.
Run that thing. Knowing Chris, I'm diving all the way
in on this one. So I told the boys because

(54:56):
I want to watch the pomp and circumstance, and I
kind of want to watch Skemes pitch because he's kind
of a phenomenon thick. Because you don't get to watch
him because right so right, So I tell the boys,
I'm like, I'm like, hey, put on the All Star Game,
and NBC goes, why do you have to watch.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
It for work?

Speaker 2 (55:13):
And I went They were unaware that it was even happening,
And I do some of it's because they don't play baseball,
I acknowledge, But I also think that all of these
All Star things, there was a time when it was
your one chance to see everybody in the league. That's
what the Midsummer Night Classic was. It was your one
chance to see Dennis Eckersley pitch against Tony Gwynn. It

(55:35):
was the only way it could happen was in that
All Star Game if it lined up, And what would
that look like? Well that's gone, all of that's gone.
And I don't I'm not get off my long guy,
because maybe it's better now. I don't know. Maybe baseball
is better now with no real National League, American League differences,
no DH and both you know, all of it, Like,

(55:57):
maybe it's better. I don't know. There's no D eight,
I'm sorry d H and both National leagueinst the yeah,
last couple of years, so they all play each other now.
Used to be. That was the only time you could
see him.

Speaker 3 (56:11):
As the other time you see like Lee Smith and
his prime against McGuire, that was it.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
You got it, you got it, and then you needed
the advants to time out. If it was a reliever
like Lee Smith, like he needed to pitch while McGuire
was still in the game, you weren't gonna get him
late in the games, you have to sub him out.
He had like the one chance. I mean, the most
famous was John Cruk against Randy Johnson, right, so you
got to see that. But now now you see those

(56:37):
matchups all the time, and you can watch these games
whenever you want. You can get the or at least
see the highlights. You go on YouTube and see the
melts of the games, and so I just think we're
exposed to so much more. There's nothing special, And I
don't think it's a Major League Baseball problem. I think
it's an NBA problem, NFL Pro Bowl problem, every problem.
These All Star games used to have real significance because
it was like the only time you could see everybody.
Now you can see him whenever you want.

Speaker 4 (56:59):
It was kind of cool. The extra inning stuff.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
I didn't watch it. I mean that's four. That's past
midnight for me, so I'm not that's well past my bedtime.
But it seems like he did well with that. Like
so they did like a home run.

Speaker 4 (57:11):
Derby today and you get like three swings.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
Yeah, fine, that's fine. Can't have a game end and
it ties it did with Celi. You can't have a
fifteen inning affair like they did No. Eight where you
run out of pictures. Yep. So fine, Oh that's fine.
And I think it feels like this was a win
for them. They did a really cool Hank Aaron tribute
last night, which was awesome. Did you ever go to

(57:34):
when you were at school at Emory, did you ever
go to the You ever go to Braves games?

Speaker 3 (57:40):
A couple not a ton?

Speaker 2 (57:41):
They played at the Olympic Park at that point, and yeah,
they the one thing that I covered a DS there.

Speaker 3 (57:47):
Between them, beautiful stadium, right, really nice.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
Yeah, and they I covered a DLS a d S
game there between them and the Giants when Barry Bonds
was kind of in his prime and they beat the Giants.
But one of the things that were really cool is
there was a place where you would you could go
and you could do Hank Aaron you could call the
home run to beat Babe Ruth and you could. You
would go into a booth and it would be playing,

(58:10):
and then they would save it. It was kind of
a cool little thing that they did in the in that.

Speaker 3 (58:14):
In that so the a's used to be able to
do uh an inning. Oh that's cool, like me and
my dad did it.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
Yeah, that's fun.

Speaker 3 (58:22):
Yeah, that's really cool.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
Yeah, I like that.

Speaker 3 (58:25):
My dad, in typical my dad fashion, took time out
of this to roast basically one of his buddies. So
he did like an impression of his buddy calling a
game was part of his.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
It's part of Did he find it funny?

Speaker 3 (58:39):
Did Kirkirkoff find it funny? Pedro Oh yeah, I thought
it was funny.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
Funny thing is your dad don Rickles in his mind?

Speaker 4 (58:52):
That is great?

Speaker 2 (58:53):
Yeah, And I saw the home run derby had decent numbers,
even though I didn't know anybody by name who's participating
in it, but it seems like it did okay, so yeah, yeah,
good for them. This I love Oakmont Country Club band
golfer Wyndham Clark from its property. Yeah, after he damaged
his locker falling a miscut at last month's US Open.
Oakmont Country Club president John Lynch said the decision was

(59:14):
reached after multiple discussions with the USGA and the club's board.
This part, I've found very entertaining. The band could be
lifted if Clark pays for the damages and makes quote
a meaningful contribution to a charity selected by Oakmont and
undergoes counseling and or anger management. Now, the US Open
is not gonna be at Oakmond again until twenty thirty three,
so it's possible that this won't matter to Wyndham Clark anyway.

(59:37):
But I think it's a pretty good chance you never
see him play another US Open at Oakmond.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
First of all, the fact that he hasn't paid for
the damages already. That's the only thing that put it
out for me, Like that's crazy, Like it's oak bud,
Like I did it all right, my bad, I suck,
I'll cover it. That should have been done immediately. And
maybe you don't have any of this anger management or
it's charitable donation, but what he probably should have done
was fit said and then donate.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
Here's he even could have had like a tongue in
cheek or like laughing laughing presser like, yeah it was.
I was slightly frustrated. I made it right. I apologize
to Oakmont. I got a better behavior, be a better
example like that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
That's the only thing that jumped out to me was
that he had not fixed it.

Speaker 4 (01:00:16):
I'm not making a meaningful contribution. I'm not I'm not
undergoing kind of course made me angry.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
Ye never paid for it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
Immediately that I'm sorry, take care of this.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
Of course.

Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
Here's a little extra for the workers that have to
work on this because of me. That's not I'll be
on down the road. Yeah, I would have been fine.
It wouldn't be it wouldn't be this. This is, this
is I think this is put out to out the
fact because the only thing that jumped out to me
was that the dude didn't he didn't pay for this.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
Yeah, that crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
I think that's why this is put out. The other
stuff they know is silly and they're just trying to
embarrass him. That was put out because of the fact
that he didn't pay for it, which you destroyed it,
pay for it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
It's pretty wild. This guy won the US opened, didn't
he at LAC won it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
I know some people who had business sealings with him.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
They were, well, you have to be a big crud
for this to be the situation.

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
Is that an adult?

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
Yeah, to not just say my bad, here's one hundred
thousand or whatever. Make it right, give the rest to
charity and pay your people, Like, come on.

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
It wouldn't even cost two lockers.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
No, yeah, ten grand probably would take.

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
Care of that and all of it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
Yeah yeah, and it would take care of all of it,
and then you're not in this mess.

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
By the way, look at this. I found this tennis pedro.
Oh my god, I said it to my dad. He
loves it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
Oh, he likes to look at that guy.

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
He loves it. He's got a great mustache. And he
liked it. It was like a trick shot it. See. He said,
that's something I like.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
Oh that and big fan of his own act. Yeah yeah,
really a big fan of his own act.

Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
So says to my dad, I got, oh my god,
Oh my goodness, there's tennis pedro, I said, love it.
He said, that's the the tennis equivalent of my fifteen
foot left handed kill shot and horse great mustache too.
Was shoot left handed shots.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
How you get kids, That's how I get mine and
I'm like, shot, shoot a left handed free throw and
then they're done.

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
I'm like, have some stuff for yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
It's cooked.

Speaker 3 (01:02:11):
I'm not gonna stoop that low.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
You will see. We'll see what Little Luca young Zogs
is on the driveway and he's doing a layup and
he puts it between his legs and I'm gonna have
a problem.

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
I'm gonna be.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
Bro, That's what I'm saying. You're gonna be up their lefties.
You'd be lefties stroke get that left hand.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
It's funny. As much grief as I talked about all
stuff at Walden, and like I feel like I'll have
to do it just because it's all like if it's
being done to me and I can't win, then I
have to do it. But at some point you have said,
but like playing from the whites when I'm like hitting
bombs and gonna have young kids complaining, But like they.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
Did to me, what do you want me to do?
What do you want me to do? This is where we.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
Get like if if me taking a stand and being
a conscious objector would enact change, I would do it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
But your forward tease this problem.

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
Yeah, if I was like you know what I'm not
gonna do it, so let's stop it. They're not gonna
stop it anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
What would be a tee? What would be a forward
t difference? That would be acceptable to you play same
golf course. But then what's how's the handicap?

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
They get more strokes farther back they go, they get
more strokes, or I give up strokes to go up
and play with them. I just want to play the
same course. That's why they are handicaps. Handicaps are four
of the different te's cigar.

Speaker 4 (01:03:27):
I think you'd have to move up?

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
Sure, fine, I'll move.

Speaker 4 (01:03:29):
On because I mean, how many strokes I give.

Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
Up like a shot to move up? And it is
worth way more than a shot to my game to
move up, That's what I'm saying. So they get that benefit,
it doesn't impact it, and it's worth it way more.
So that's what I'm saying. We just have to play
the same course. I'm with you. You want to play, you
get you know what, you want to play the greens,
don't play the reds.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
I don't care.

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
Fine, but we're going to play the same golf course
on a part three. We're going to hit the same shots.
We're gonna play same course. That's why there's a handicap.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
USGA feels differently.

Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
No, they that's why they have the handicaps. They just
shouldn't prevent me. If if everybody should play for we
who sets the tea rules. Every club does it differently.
Most clubs though, in their men's leagues, you've got to
play the blues. You got to play the men's teas.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
Yeah, I would say if you're in a league like that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
But we have dudes who are really good golfers who
play the reds, which the over like greens, the greens
because they're over they're in their seventies. Yeah, to me,
it should be whatever your age, it's got to be like.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
And that that hand that handicapped player who is a
good player, then they would have to play the blue
tea's always so that their handicapped fit those teas.

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
Most of them do when they play their actual games.
But when we get into turnment situations, then they go
do that or just have two leagues. Have a seniors
league where everybody plays from the whites and have a
league where everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
Plays in talking now you're talking, Yeah, that's all I'm cool.
I'm easy going, Open Championship tomorrow. What have you guys
seen any weather?

Speaker 3 (01:05:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:05:09):
Rain, yeah, rain. You know it was beautiful last week.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
Rain.

Speaker 4 (01:05:13):
That's how that country works.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
Oh my gosh, dude, it really is rain, rain, rain, rain, garbage,
light rain. Thursdays that'll just be well, light rain. It's
just gonna be drizzly.

Speaker 4 (01:05:28):
Okay, But what's the wind.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
It's all light rain, It's all I mean, there's never anything.
Let's all right, let's go back to Thursday wind seventeen
mile an hour, Thursday, Friday ten, Saturday lass round ten
at the highest's going. Yeah, bring your rain gear and
you're just gonna it's gonna be sixty degrees and drizzly

(01:05:51):
and windy. In other words, Ohio March.

Speaker 4 (01:05:54):
Or Ohio May or April or in this year June, yeah,
that's right, or today it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
Even today? They all count Who do you got? Who
do you guys got finger or no, no, no, who
you got win in the open?

Speaker 4 (01:06:11):
You don't know a little torn on that. We'll do
thingure not a thing in the next se right, Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
I want Scottie or de Chambeau.

Speaker 4 (01:06:22):
I feel like rom is is due.

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
Those lip guys have had a hard time competing. I
feel like they have then Bryson and that was just
the USO. That was what last year.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
Yeah, yeah, I'd like Bryson to do it great. I
like Justin Thomas and those guys are good to what
Spee Smith Speed Alreaty has one of these, but I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
Think Scheffler does not. Defler doesn't even have a top
five in the open.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
How long do you think Jason Day is going to
try to make that melbournd stuff?

Speaker 3 (01:06:51):
Goodness, gracious me, did you.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
See his outfit? Look at his outfit in the practice
round that he was wearing. So they had this stuff
at Meerfield when I was down there, they had this
line of gear and they have some cool logos. They
definitely have some cool log had the they did. But
the fit of the clothing is wild and he's been

(01:07:17):
wearing it for like three years and it it does.
It has not taken.

Speaker 3 (01:07:21):
He's an army of one brother.

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
There's nobody I've seen doing cancer so baggy.

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
Yes, it's huge.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
I mean yeah, it's like Criss Cross will make you jump, jump.

Speaker 4 (01:07:30):
Macdad'll make you.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
I mean, it's just it's just not gonna take man,
and he just refuses to come off of it. I'm
sure they're compensating him. Well they better be.

Speaker 4 (01:07:41):
I mean that collar is bigger than the one we
wear at the at the golf oighting of the ear.
I mean right, you could sail in that really.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
Good in that good that's a sale. It'd sail right
into the Irish Sea. Whatever he needed. It's all there, No, yeah,
but they keep And then they had racks of it
at Meerfield and I'm like, and no one was there
some reason like, look, you got a cute little logo,
you got some kind of cool ideas. But the fit
of this stuff is just it ain't happening, man, It's
all baggie really begging. Yeah, it's just not happening. No,

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Speaker 4 (01:09:26):
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Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
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Speaker 4 (01:09:34):
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Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
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Speaker 4 (01:09:46):
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Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
Yeah, I think you said that right.

Speaker 4 (01:09:55):
Hey, I don't want to disrespect him. Ten early Bold
predictions for the upcoming twenty twenty five NFL season number one,
the Bills win the Super Bowl? Thing or not a thing, gentlemen.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
Well, it would be a very big thing if they did.
I also think I'm gonna say it's not a thing
because I don't think it's gonna happen. I don't think
that this is the best team that Josh Allen's played
on by any stretch. And I think the other teams
in the AFC have gotten better, So I mean, I
think they're gonna be really good as always, but I
think that division. I think the Patriots are coming a

(01:10:34):
little bit, and I think I think the other teams
the AFC got better. So I'm gonna say not a thing.

Speaker 3 (01:10:38):
Zagurro, I would just say the thing because I think
it's possible. Sure, Like they're one of the four teams
that I think would be most likely to come out
of the AFC and go to the super Bowl. So yeah,
it does feel like it is. It's a possibility to me,
so I would say that it is a thing. Do
I think that that is the most likely outcome? No,
In fact, I think the Ravens are more likely to

(01:10:59):
kind of break through that at glass ceiling this year
than the Bills.

Speaker 4 (01:11:05):
Over my dead body, all right, mister Bishop has worked
with me on these and how to have a good
follow up. Yeah, the thing or not a thing, thing
or not a thing. The Bills if they don't win
the Super Bowl, need to go back and maybe reset
this roster around, Josh.

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
All It just depends where they where they Like, if
they lost a heartbreaker again in the AFC Championship or something,
then now, I mean they're right there.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
It's to me, it feels like this is similar like
the Calves this year, like yet a bunch of things
happen that prevented you from achieving your ultimate goal. This
was the year, a bunch of injuries. Yet well next
year might even be better for them with everything. I mean,
no Jason Tatum, no Haliburt, No, I mean the East
is there. Yeah, it's there. So that's one of those

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things where you look around and you say, hey, let's
pretty close. We can't stand pat until Lecau his guys
are gonna leave because we can't pay everybody. But let's
keep let's send you anything with this corps because we're
right there. And I'd so like, no, I would not
blow it up if im the Bills you still have
Josh Allen in his prime, you still have a really
good coach. I wouldn't reset it. I would. I think
they're just fine. You're gonna be a lot of it

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bats and that's what you get when you drafted Josh Allen.

Speaker 4 (01:12:19):
Up next Don Jeffries thing or not a thing? Joe
Burrow wins the MVP, Zigura thing or not a thing?

Speaker 3 (01:12:28):
Again, I would put it certainly in the realm of possibility.
I think that I'm gonna say not a thing, and
I'm gonna tell you why not because he's not deserving
of it, and quite frankly was deserving of it last year.
There's and I could be wrong about this, and I'm
even a bigger Joe Burrow fan after watching that quarterback,
it just does not feel like this is an organization

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that is barreling towards success. No, So, to me, to
win MVP, there's got to be a success that comes
along with it. Like I think you have to win
your division to win to be the MVP. Is that fair?

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
How about this? If the Cincinnati Bengals win the AFC North,
Joe Burrow will win the MVP.

Speaker 3 (01:13:11):
Fine with that?

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
Yeah, I think that's the thing. I mean, they have
to have that level. Now. I think it's really in
play because their defense is going to be brutal and
they're gonna have to outshoot people. They're gonna have to
win games thirty eight, thirty four, thirty seven, thirty three.
I mean, that's gonna be their games. That's gonna be
quite honestly, they're the complete opposite of us.

Speaker 3 (01:13:32):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
If you took the two teams and put them together, lookout.
But you can't. And so the reality is that, like, well,
it feels to me like we're gonna try to win
games thirteen to ten, thirteen to nine, They're gonna try
to win games thirty eight, thirty four. Yep. Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:13:54):
The Eagles will be the first team to repeat as
NFC champs for the first time in twenty one years.
Thing or not a thing, Bishop.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
I'm gonna go not.

Speaker 4 (01:14:14):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
They lost a lot, and I think, yeah, it's just hard.
It feels like, hopefully the Lions learned. I'm rooting for them.

Speaker 3 (01:14:22):
I want the Lions are rooting.

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
For them, So I hope they learned and they were
able to kind of put it all. They lost a
lot to both coordinators, so forth and so on. But yeah,
I'm gonna say, no, not a thing.

Speaker 4 (01:14:35):
The Broncos will snap the Chiefs streak of nine straight
AFC West championships.

Speaker 3 (01:14:41):
Zagora, No, not a thing, agreed. I think if anybody does,
it's gonna be I think the Chargers are starting to
put together like an actual team around Justin Herbert.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
Yeah, I don't, I'm not. No. Huh.

Speaker 4 (01:14:54):
Who are the Chargers white outs again?

Speaker 3 (01:14:56):
I mean the Chiefs went fifteen to one Chargers whiteouts.

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
Or so would they go fifteen to last year? The Chiefs?

Speaker 3 (01:15:01):
Yeah? We got Lad McConkie.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
Yeah, what is just drafted one? Didn't they? They drafted
a receiver this year, didn't they?

Speaker 3 (01:15:08):
Or they drafted Chargers have brought Mike Williams back. They
got Quentin Johnston, who was a first round pick in
twenty three, Lad McConkie. They drafted Trey Harris out of
miss Ole, miss in the second round, who I liked
a lot when I watched Jackson Dart. That's who they're
that's there, and they're gonna they got a Marion Hampton.

Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
Now, dude, yeah, he'd be good.

Speaker 4 (01:15:29):
He's gonna be wrong, well, especially since what's his face
got hurt in that fourth of July. Miss happen fireworks again? Yeah,
come on, be better. Caleb Williams will throw for forty
five hundred yards and thirty five touchdowns.

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
Sure, it's gonna be in the vicinity of that. Yeah,
it needs I really believe in him and I believe
in there. I think Ben Johnson's great and they have
a ton of weapons.

Speaker 3 (01:15:55):
DJ Moore Roma doons A. They drafted Luther burden U
in the second round this year. Yeah, they are loaded
up Colston Loveland in the first round. I mean, their
eleven personnel is gonna be nuts. They're twelve personnel. They're
gonna have Loveland and Cole Comette out there. They still
got DeAndre Swift. I think that. I think they are
gonna be so fun, so fun. Yeah, I think that

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is a thing. I think that's a big, big, big thing.

Speaker 4 (01:16:19):
It's a tough division.

Speaker 3 (01:16:21):
It's a very tough division. But you're talking about we're
talking about stats. We're not talking about record here.

Speaker 4 (01:16:25):
Yeah. Well, I mean I just think I think those
numbers division. You go up against that division, you're going
up against the AFC North.

Speaker 3 (01:16:34):
Yeah, there's a lot of shootouts though, Detroit. Those are
gonna be some high scoring game. They're gonna be some shootouts.
I will tell you what.

Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
Tell me?

Speaker 4 (01:16:43):
Uh, Daniel Jones wins Comeback Player of the Year.

Speaker 3 (01:16:47):
Think not a thing, Absolutely, not a thing.

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
Stop it, stop it.

Speaker 4 (01:16:52):
Ashton Gent will run for two thousand yards in his
rookie campaign.

Speaker 2 (01:16:57):
No, no, not a chance.

Speaker 3 (01:16:58):
Yeah, I he could have two thousand total yards.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
Yeah. I just don't think they're I mean they're Their
pass game is not gonna be good enough for him
to agreed. I think he's gonna face a lot of
heavy boxes.

Speaker 4 (01:17:10):
Travis Hunter will be more impactful as a corner than
a wide receiver in his first seasoning or not a thing.

Speaker 3 (01:17:16):
I don't think that's a thing. Didn't they say they
see him as a receiver and a moonlight at corner. Yeah,
so I would say, not a thing.

Speaker 2 (01:17:25):
How do you think we would have if we drafted him?
We would have draft him as a receiver who moonlighted
at corner. That's right.

Speaker 4 (01:17:34):
It'll be fascinating to see how they go about dealing
with him.

Speaker 2 (01:17:37):
And nobody's tried to do it. No, but nobody did
what he did in college either.

Speaker 4 (01:17:41):
And you're trying to get your quarterback career resuscitated.

Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
One of those things though, Like if he just runs
like he's so fast and he's so good at high
pointing the ball, if he runs eight goes, if he
hits one of them, yep, it opens everything up. Yeah
so I yeah, just I s thread of that. Yeah,
he's such a weapon.

Speaker 4 (01:18:06):
Ceedee Lamb will break the NFL record for receptions in
a season?

Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
Is that Michael Thomas's record, like one hundred and forty
nine or some crazy thing?

Speaker 4 (01:18:15):
Is that the nine hundred and forty nine?

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
Did I have it? And it is him? It is him?
Uh No, No, he's not getting anywhere near that. You
gotta you gotta really force fit to get it. To
get one hundred and fifty, you gotta really get.

Speaker 3 (01:18:27):
One hundred and one.

Speaker 4 (01:18:28):
Last year, they're going to be brawling by week seven
for targets.

Speaker 2 (01:18:31):
Yeah, I don't think there's any scenario where that happens.

Speaker 4 (01:18:36):
Kirk Cousins will start for another team other than Atlanta
this year.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
Have you got to the point on quarterback you'd have
an educated view on this? I'm curious.

Speaker 3 (01:18:44):
Oh no, he wants to play. He wants to play.
I have not gotten the point where he's been venturing
but I know there's no doubt in my mind he wants
to play, and there's no doubt at some point in
the season somebody will give up something for him to come.

Speaker 2 (01:18:54):
To come in and somebody will get out of an injury.

Speaker 3 (01:18:57):
Yeah, I think I think that's the thing. I think
he will start for another team.

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
Say all right, there you go, there you go, all right,
we will pick our quarter century cornerbacks. Coming up next
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Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
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Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
All right, kids, putting together our quarter century Cleveland Browns team.
Numbers wise, we are through. We are now in the secondary.
So numbers wise, where are we in terms of roster breakdown?
Yesterday we got to thirty four. I think we need

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twenty five offensive players.

Speaker 3 (01:20:11):
Twenty five offense and then we've got nine on the
defensive line. We've got five, so we need eleven dbs,
probably six corners in five.

Speaker 2 (01:20:20):
Safeties, Okay, which is too, so we have we have
the nine d line to thirty four and then we
got the five linebackers to thirty nine.

Speaker 3 (01:20:30):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
So that's where we stand now. All right, very good? Look,
I mean the starters here in this cornerback room pretty
pretty good. Well, you're pretty good.

Speaker 3 (01:20:42):
Top two, top two are very good.

Speaker 2 (01:20:44):
Yeah, and they're they're the no brainers of the bunch.
Denzel Ward, Joe Hayden, you were, you were around for
Joe and obviously I've seen him a lot through the
various things he does as a Browns legend, coming back
and all of those things. I'll never forget this. I
was doing a hit it. I was doing a hit
on Ohio State basketball with was it basketball or football offseason?

(01:21:08):
I can't remember. With Dan Dakich when he was an indie,
your boy, and and he goes.

Speaker 5 (01:21:15):
As he would, I just guy, ask you, you're in
Ohio and you explain to me, Explain to me how
Joe Hayden as the number one jersey in football?

Speaker 2 (01:21:29):
And I said, well, they're the Cleveland Browns and they
got new uniforms and he's the most popular player. Yeah,
that's right, that's how it happened.

Speaker 4 (01:21:40):
Oh. I got that phone call from Dock.

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
Oh yeah, that exact same thing on the air. Like
I wasn't I wasn't up here. I had no no
ties with the organization. I just was a sports talk
radio guy in the state of Ohio. And he asked
me that, and that's.

Speaker 4 (01:21:56):
I can remember, like getting that infohone going. I didn't
see that. Yeah, you could have given me a lot
of guesses before I would have gotten to there.

Speaker 3 (01:22:05):
Yeah, come on, man, we put Peyton Hillis on the
cover of Madden.

Speaker 2 (01:22:08):
We did. We did. Joe's a stud and and Denzel's
a stud.

Speaker 4 (01:22:13):
Yeah, I would say this, and I'd be I'd be
curious the next time we have Joe on to ask him.
I think Joe was he was becoming an elite corner.
I think I think he was an elite corner. Joe
got hurt when they when they stopped allowing the hand

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fighting after five yards.

Speaker 3 (01:22:38):
Yeah, he was a bit.

Speaker 2 (01:22:39):
Jo was good at that. He was real physical, yep.

Speaker 4 (01:22:45):
And I think that that I think that hurt him.

Speaker 3 (01:22:51):
It did, But there was a I did a study
on him, I want to say in two thousand, maybe
when I was first here and he'd never allowed a
touchdown when he had contacted the receiver within the first
five yards. Prior to that season, he was a very good,
very physical corner.

Speaker 2 (01:23:14):
He makes the He makes two of his three Pro
Bowls with US in thirteen and fourteen, got a big
contract before the fourteenth season, and then made another Pro
Bowl in twenty nineteen with the Steelers. So yeah, that
was it. He was on those legendary Florida teams. The
t bow was on total stud three Pro Bowlers. Obviously,

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he is on one.

Speaker 4 (01:23:37):
Of the few first rounders that worked out for US
in the early days.

Speaker 2 (01:23:41):
Yeah, you know, it's pretty interesting when you when you
phrase it that way, Gibbet, because of course, Denzel Ward
is a first rounder as well. Four time Pro Bowler eighteen,
twenty one, twenty three, twenty four. I think he's the
best mirror cornerback in the league, and he was the
fourth pick in the draft and has done everything that
you would want the fourth pick in the draft to do. Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:24:04):
Last year was a huge snub in terms of some
of the things that we've seen with Benzel Ward led
the league last year and passes defense with nineteen. He
was on pace early in the season for less good
in twenties. I think in that in that regard made
the Pro Bowl deserved. I thought all Pro recognition last year.

Speaker 2 (01:24:26):
Yeah, there must be something in here because I sneezed too,
and then I feel like another one is coming.

Speaker 3 (01:24:32):
Oh man, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:24:33):
So I don't know what's going on.

Speaker 3 (01:24:34):
I got to investigate that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:36):
So Hayden and Ward, Yep, they're your top two. Yep,
all right, we need four more. Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:24:43):
I'm gonna throw Anthony Henry on. In his rookie season,
Anthony Henry had ten picks and led the NFL. He
was second in the Defensive Rookie of the Year voting.

Speaker 2 (01:24:53):
Who beat him with ten picks?

Speaker 3 (01:24:54):
That's a great question.

Speaker 4 (01:24:59):
I remember him, good player.

Speaker 3 (01:25:01):
I mean, that's that's a one draft that's a pretty
standout season. Fourth round pick, he had ten picks. He
lost that year to Kendrell Bell of the Pittsburgh Steelers,
who had nine sacks.

Speaker 2 (01:25:18):
Ten picks isn't better than nine sacks, and.

Speaker 3 (01:25:21):
Most certainly is he led the NFL with nine sacks
that year. The offensive Rookie of the Year Anthony Thomas
of the Bears. Yeah, rushed for eleven and eighty three yards.
This is this Anthony Thomas with the Bears, rushed for
eleven hundred and eighty three yards and seven touchdowns. He
caught twenty two passes for one hundred and seventy eight

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yards and no touchdowns. Second in the AP Offensive Rookie
of the Year voting that year was a guy by
the name of Ladanian Tomlinson, who ran for twelve hundred
and thirty six yards more ten touchdowns more caught fifty
nine passes more for three hundred and sixty seven yards more.

Speaker 2 (01:25:58):
My guess is that the Bears had a winning season
that year, and Thomas was rewarded for those wins.

Speaker 3 (01:26:04):
Bears went thirteen and three under Dick Jeron. Jim Miller
went eleven and two that year as the starter. That's ridiculous,
thoughous Miller.

Speaker 2 (01:26:15):
That's why I mean they would they give outsized him and.

Speaker 3 (01:26:20):
The Chargers were five and eleven. Doug Flutie was the quarterback,
while a young man by the name of Drew Breese
was the backup and could not sniff the.

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
Field wild, absolutely wild.

Speaker 3 (01:26:36):
Leading receiver on that Chargers team Curtis Conway.

Speaker 2 (01:26:40):
Who also ended up in Chicago and married Muhammad Ali's
daughter Leila yeah. Really, Curtis conw Yeah, I don't know
if they had like a long prosperous marriage, but I
know that he was married.

Speaker 3 (01:26:55):
To their children feel like they would be ready to be.

Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
If they haven't, I don't know that they had him.
Let me see.

Speaker 3 (01:27:03):
So I think Anthony Henry's got to make it on this.

Speaker 4 (01:27:06):
Slia McCutcheon was very good for this football team.

Speaker 3 (01:27:09):
He was didn't have any standout stuff. Lee Boden had
a really good two thousand and seven. He had six picks.

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
He married. Curtis Conway married Laila Ali in seven.

Speaker 3 (01:27:20):
Did they have a kids?

Speaker 2 (01:27:21):
They have? Let's see. I mean, let's go to hers.
She was very nice, she has two children.

Speaker 4 (01:27:27):
She was a boxer too.

Speaker 3 (01:27:29):
Yes, she was a Woman's World Championship. She actually defeated
Vonda Ward.

Speaker 4 (01:27:33):
Let's see where the Trinity High School owned Ward.

Speaker 2 (01:27:38):
They have two children together, a son born you're right
August two thousand and eight and the daughter in two thousand.

Speaker 3 (01:27:45):
Ready to come to college.

Speaker 2 (01:27:46):
Yeah, I would have to feel like, yeah, pretty good. Yeah,
all right, where were we Anthony Henry Denzel Ward?

Speaker 3 (01:27:58):
All right, fourth, I'm a put buster screen on there.
I'm going to nominate him anyway to put him on.

Speaker 4 (01:28:03):
Brock didn't have him on the list. I was like,
Buster Screen actually had some decent years at the end
of his tenure. He got roasted a lot early on.

Speaker 3 (01:28:12):
But no, but he ended well. Fourteen in twenty thirteen,
he had seventeen passes defense twenty fourteen four picks, eighteen
passes defense, and then signed a very rich at the
time contract as a slot corner. Like if Buster Screen
played eight years later, I really think that he would
have been heavily paid, kind of like Kaiwan Williams who

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went on to have a really nice career in the slot.
Buster Screen was a good player. I think he fits
the need of us having we need an inside corner
here somewhere.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
I'll rely on you for that, all right. So that's
our four.

Speaker 3 (01:28:46):
Yep, that's four.

Speaker 2 (01:28:47):
So now our two guys who are here, now, yep,
you have I mean, I mean, I feel like I
want Money Mitch just because.

Speaker 3 (01:28:57):
He's on Money.

Speaker 2 (01:28:59):
I was just looking at his numbers.

Speaker 4 (01:29:01):
I'm like, if for nothing else.

Speaker 3 (01:29:03):
Money Mitch. That's why. Because we love Money Mitch. A
run great interviews in the history of this program. Money
Mitch also is the one who got the interception at
the end of the Jets game that opened the Fridges
money Mitch sealed.

Speaker 2 (01:29:21):
That, so so there, so.

Speaker 3 (01:29:25):
There he's in, and then I put I'd put m
on because I'm an m j Emmerson guy. First two
season in the league, twenty nine passes defense, he had
four picks that second he were with fourteen passes defense,
and I love him.

Speaker 4 (01:29:37):
Pierre was good, but I think it was better after he.

Speaker 3 (01:29:39):
Better after he left.

Speaker 4 (01:29:40):
Greg.

Speaker 3 (01:29:41):
Greg would be one that you you could consider, and
then Lee Boden had the six picks in two thousand
and seven with fifteen passes defense. But I'm more it's
it's wild how it's some pretty key positions were pretty
thin on these lists, is it, though, Well, no, that's
why you've been what you've been.

Speaker 2 (01:29:58):
No. The the one that we've made we've been making
is like we're we are, we can put some units
together that can hang in and receiver like receiver. I
think if you said the Cleveland Browns all twenty five
team receiver, you'd say no chance. But then you think
about that, you're getting Jarvis Odell, Josh Gordon, Amari Cooper,

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Jerry Judy. Well, that's pretty damn good that can hang
with a lot, but there is no way to piece
meal some of this together outside of the top.

Speaker 3 (01:30:30):
Had one of the great returners, right.

Speaker 2 (01:30:34):
But at quarterback, at defensive end other than Miles, at corner,
like the three most important positions.

Speaker 3 (01:30:41):
We would be probably thirty second in the league. At
quarterback we would be top ten, I think at running back,
top ten at receiver, tight end to Djoku, Barnage, Cameron,
all three Pro bowlers.

Speaker 2 (01:30:52):
It's pretty good. You'd be worse.

Speaker 3 (01:30:54):
Middle totally fine. Right, tackle you're probably top two. Yeah,
you're where if not number one. Yeah, Guard you're right there. Center,
your your offensive line, all three of those are top five.

Speaker 2 (01:31:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:31:07):
Defensive end out outside of Miles, not great. Defensive tackle
probably thirty second, yes, Linebacker again probably bottom half. Yeah,
and then corner you have your top two are pretty good.
Just like in linebacker, j Ok and Jamir Miller at
their peaks and the quell. You know, that would be
a good three trio. Yeah, but there's just no there's

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no depth none. And then safety is going to be
very similar. Yeah, so much more to come. Yes, you'll
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