Browns Position Group Rankings - Cleveland Browns Daily - 7.15.25

Beau and Z rank each position group on the Browns (30:05) and pick which LBs make the cut for the Browns all quarter-century team (56:01) on this Tuesday episode of CBD.

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Speaker 1 (00:14):
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Browns on a fifty ESPN Cleveland He. You are your
hosts Bo Bishop and Nathan Zegura.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
I also live on a Tuesday EDITIONE of Cleveland Browns Daily.
We're presented by Bally Bete, official sports he partner of
your Cleveland Browns. I am merely Bo. He is the
great z and we are hot today. Half beef baby,
look at half beef. Look at that?

Speaker 3 (01:00):
So I wore this on my uh on my birthday.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yep, I got these sent THECE to your birthday and
the nations and.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
The name, which I mean, could there be a better
hat or hat?

Speaker 4 (01:09):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:09):
Everywhere? Everybody wanted them. They're only twenty five on the planet.
We have three of them.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
It's amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
So by my calculations, you know, one out of eight
would be twelve point five percent, but were you know one.
We're in the twelve percent range of all half beef
hats on planet Earth right now, which feels good. But
I shot a great round sixty was in the sixties
in this hat. It was a great way to start
my birthday. Wore it all day to the pool, everywhere,
comments everywhere. I mean, it's a butte. It's an absolute butte.

(01:37):
And the haff just recently had a I think one
of the maybe the fellow coaches from his Munich Ravens
team or friends that they made in Munich come out
to the to the farm and they had some half wagu,
some half beef. You know, he sent the cutlery set.
I used that last night.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
Unbeliefs every right that you want, it's all. What I
think is really cool here is when you type half
beef into Google, that's right, it pops right up. Of course,
Six Springs Farm, Hall of Fame, Beef away you go.
Meat bundles all sold out right now. Bos got to

(02:17):
get these cows going, baby, I.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
Got can't get a meat. No, it's all sold out
because that's the demand. I would tell people.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
Sandwich box that that oh no, that sold out to
Flavors of Wisconsin.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
You get the knives, which I would recommend.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Summer sausage sample that I love a summer sausage.

Speaker 4 (02:33):
That knife set is one of the best sets of
knives Oh yeah, that's great. I've gotten it quite a while.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
And I'll tell you the the chef's knife is one
of It is not to be trifled with. No, no,
it is incredibly sharp and it is I I think
it's a great carver. Like last night I did a
flankers and oh baby, that then carves those things like
a hot knife through butter.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Let's go, let's go half beef, haf beef. We need
to hang out with the huff he So it's pretty
crazy how his so his son must be into lacrosse
in a big way, his son Jack And because I
saw on his Instagram last night. Now I am in this,
this lacrosse world. Yeah, and once you're it's yeah, you're
all in. And other luminaries around here are as well.

Speaker 4 (03:21):
Man.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
And so he had Trevor Baptiste, who's probably the best
lacrosse player on the planet right now. He's the face
off guy for the New York Atlas. He had him
FaceTime his kid on how to take face off. So
I'm flying through and I'm like, wait, what is Baptiste
doing on the fact that But the reason I do

(03:42):
is because my kids, I know that. But I couldn't
tell you the guy who won the home run contest
last night. The only reason I've heard of him because
he played baseball a Florida like Cal Dingles. I could
have said it until you said that Cal Rawley, isn't it. Yes, yeah,
but the other guy.

Speaker 4 (03:57):
That's the only reason why I know.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
And he apparently Johnny Bench in terms of the year
he's having. Based on the other names, I did not know.
The only other one I knew was brought Byron Buxton
because I remember he went really high in the draft
from Minnesota. I didn't even hear the rest of them.
I didn't know any of the other guys, and none
of my kids say anything about it. But I can
tell you Trevor Baptiste is. So that's what.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
Happened, like when maguire was at Fenway hitting.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Maybe it is to some people. No, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
I didn't even listen. I liked the home run derby
all of that. I didn't even know it was happening. Yes,
I had no idea it was the MLB All Star weekend,
zero clue.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
The only reason I knew it was was because it's
SEC media week and they always go this week because
they can steal headlines. So they're always pretty savvy. So
they always do their media days this week so they
can they can kind of steal headlines. Yeah, the home
run derby was last night, and I looked at the
guys in it. I didn't watch it. I'd looked at
it this morning. The Raleigh guy I had heard of
nobody else. Yeah, I mean even heard of them. Like,

(04:53):
that's how far it slipped for me.

Speaker 4 (04:56):
Yeah, All Star Games tonight, Kwan is in for the guards.
It is Kwan going to be a guard by the
end of the month.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
I don't Yeah, I guess the sad thing for me
given is I don't care. I don't follow baseball enough anymore.
I don't know how. I know how it's happened. I
get the circums, the various things that led to it.
But for a guy who and we've talked about this before,
I was.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
My Greenwell playing this year, Rob Deer, Pete Kavilia, Peter
Kavilia having a big season, Dave Kingman.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
Mike Greenwell wanted to take on Wade Boggs, and they
in terms of how much alcohol one could consume. I
was around Mike Greenwell, it was pretty impressed. He could
get it.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
They had a great he had a great coast to
Coos or Costa Coos Brothers with a Green Monster and
it was like him in front of like a green monster.

Speaker 4 (05:40):
Mike Greenwell Ellis Burks Burs by the way, he was
an Indian.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Yeah, but he's still here. He resides here now he does.

Speaker 4 (05:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
Oh it is pretty good.

Speaker 4 (05:53):
Yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
It says Gator tough. So we must have played at Florida. Interesting.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
I thought I had one. Maybe it was a base,
Maybe it was a card. Maybe I had a Green
Monster card back when I was going. I remember going
to the old Moscone Center in San Francisco for the
big card show. Yeah, man, those things are sweet.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
We were what happened to card show?

Speaker 3 (06:16):
We were at We were in a card.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
Show like last year. It was great walking around. That
was nice. Yeah, I enjoyed it.

Speaker 4 (06:21):
I believe it was actually Draft weekend this year. They
wanted to stand back at Oh it was this week
of the draft. It's actually the draft.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
Probably have picks, so probably not a good time boys.

Speaker 4 (06:31):
Yeah they were. Actually it was highly successful again because
I had friends who went.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
But yeah, I think the Yeah, but I but your
there's kids are you baseball guy, Brock young Brock, Are
you baseball guy or so? So okay, some of the
some of the guys I do morning with, they're they're
all over it, They're they're all jacked up about the baseball.
So this, you know, it's fine, just not what it
used to be for me. Top one hundred player rankings
NFL dot Com. They've done seventy one through one hundred

(06:57):
so far. Number eighty two. Our guy Cherry Judy.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
Yeah, great season last year, put him on our All
Century team.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
One year, one year, wonder career year.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
You know, the people around the league have a great
deal of respect for him in terms of, you know,
his ability to get open and had some monster games
last year and now you want to see him continue
that for the Cleveland Browns. But yeah, big time season
last year. Miles of course is going to be near
the top. Rightfully. So there was something I saw on
the Hofs instagram where, uh, let's see if I can

(07:29):
find it. By the way, are you getting have you
has mind enterprises clicked for you?

Speaker 4 (07:35):
Yet?

Speaker 2 (07:36):
Just as a quick aside, this is your buddy, the
Italian gentleman, Yeah, Roberto, Yeah, guys, unbelievable I mean I
thought again, I thought it was. I'd liked it. I'm
not like chewing through the content.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
Oh man, I'm chewing entertaining. So they released NFL Daily's
twenty five players for the last twenty five years, like
in order ranked, which we could go through and have
fun with that. But the Browns actually have too. Joe
Thomas is number twelve and Miles Garrett is number twenty.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
That's best players of the last twenty five years. That's
that's a nice job of respect right there on the hall.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
So we can do that as we can. Yeah, we
can get a sag out of this and try to
guess the twenty five I had. I only know Joe,
and I mean I think some of the others are
We'll buble to figure out pretty easily. But yeah, yeah,
I know Joe and where they are, where they reside
on that list, and I guess I know number one,
but so do you.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
So does everybody. Yeah, it feels like that would be
the case. One thing that I've have found interesting with
some of these is if I saw one this morning,
actually I don't remember where it was from, but that
had you know it was it was the best? Was
it the best players of the bet. No, it's best
players the last of the first twenty five years. That
actually might be kind of similar to what you're talking about.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
It.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
You may have just seen the full list and I hadn't,
but it was the top of it, and it was
it was Brady Mahomes Manning. So that move in some
circles has been made for Mahome to Mahomes to now
be ahead of Manning on that list. That, Yeah, is
that the So maybe it's the same list. Yeah, So
that's what I saw, was was those three. And I

(09:03):
do think it's interesting that that Mahome now Mahomes has
the three Super Bowls already, But I don't know that
that's I don't I think Manning for me, I would
probably still have Manning two. Mahomes last couple of years
has slipped from what he was from a couple of
years ago. Yes, but they just win all. He just
clutch all the time, which is kind of a crazy thing.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
All his shortest season still ended in the AFC Championship Game.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
That's right, Yeah, yep, I'm like it's hard though. I
still think.

Speaker 3 (09:39):
Pey May is the greatest raular season quarterback of all time.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
Yes, he's not particularly close.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
Really, no, not particularly close at all, I would know.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
But he does have postseason blow ups that Mahomes doesn't have.
I mean he Mahomes was not particularly great in the
Super Bowl loss to the Bucks and got battered last
year by Philly, but even in the loss to Cincinnati,
he was pretty dang good. Yep, in that postseason. His
only other loss is to Brady and the Patriots, and
year one as a starter, I think that's it. So

(10:10):
it's two Brady losses and a Burrow that's it. And
then hurts last year, so those are the four times
he's lost in the postseason. Yeah, he's just a and
I saw that ESPN executive list. They had him as
the number one quarterback in the NFL. Now, statistically most
people would say, obviously it's Allen's and Lamar or the
top two and maybe Burrows right below him. But really,

(10:31):
when it comes down to it, if you have one
drive and one quarterback to execute that drive, you're going
to take Mahomes.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
Of course.

Speaker 4 (10:37):
I mean.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
He's off of where he was every year, like five
thousand and fifty forty seven hundred and thirty eight forty
eight hundred and thirty seven, fifty two, fifty and forty one.
I mean, we're calling it a down year, and obviously
they played a different style of football. He goes fifteen
and one, which is the best regular season record yet,
throws for four thousand yards, sixty seven point five completion
percentage career high, twenty six touchdowns, eleven picks.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
He is he's pretty sensational.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
I mean, he's been in the top of the MVP
voting basically every year that he's been in the league.
Peyton was just Peyton Manning was a force interesting for Mahomes.
He's a two time first team All Pro. Peyton Mane
was a seven time first team All Pro seven times.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
Hey, he's the most the sheriff a quarterback by far.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
Oh yeah yeah. And there are pretty darn good players
that were playing at the same time as for sure.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
I mean, as Peyton's far into Rogers, it's all a Brady,
It's Roethlisberger, it's yeah, I mean, it's it's loaded.

Speaker 4 (11:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Yeah. He was here yesterday, did I see? Yeah? Right, breeze,
he was here yesterday. Somebody said he was here yesterday.
Peyton Manning not here in the building, but here taking
something yeah, it was. I'm sure he's It's probably that
Peyton's paces thing. I want to say, like, uh, Golic
was there, Bob Golick was there with maybe James Harrison.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
That's or they were like a twitter he Peyton was
a cab driver.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
Oh is that old? Yeah? Oh okay, maybe that's an
old one then yeah, okay, because that's I saw the
two of them, and it was like Manning's in Cleveland.
Bernie was with them in the images I saw. I
was just Peyton with Gullick and I think Harrison. Okay,
it was one of the two guys that were there.
Was the image that I saw that's from a couple
of years ago.

Speaker 4 (12:28):
May twenty seventh, the one I'm looking at of this year.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
Yeah, yeah, okay, so that was a couple of months ago.
How did we How do I miss that? I don't know? Yeah,
Memorial Day? Right around Memorial Day, man Or could have
been Yeah, I would not have had his Uh. Speaking
of Manning, I think most of us assumed that he
would get into ownership and get into running an NFL team,

(12:52):
and he has shown no interest in that. I mean,
he really likes the entertainment thing. He loves he's good
at it.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
But aren't you able to just do both?

Speaker 2 (13:04):
Yeah, but it feels like he doesn't.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
I'm kidding, you shouldn't be able to do both.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
Yeah, but it feels like you can do both. Yeah,
that's happening. But I I just most people thought that
he would either go into a network broadcast booth or
that he would go into ownership and run a team
and the way Elway did. And he hasn't. He's he
does manning cast. He kind of just does what he
wants at this point, plays a lot of celebrity golf.
Seems like there's a pretty fulfilled life there for his kids,

(13:30):
like he's living. It's a hell of a time.

Speaker 4 (13:32):
Speaking of celebrity golf, how'd the misdo this past weekend?

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Unfortunately?

Speaker 4 (13:37):
Rough?

Speaker 5 (13:37):
I saw Chuck chip in rough, Charles Barley bomb, Charles
Barkley called himself a fat something. Charles Barkley had his
ATL on the first round, played out of his mind
on the first round. Charles Barkley this year is his
best finish ever finished sixty ninth or ninety editors. He

(14:01):
finished sixty ninth with a negative seventeen, by far his
best finished ever.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
The Miz clocked in at eighty fifth out of ninety.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Barkley beat them?

Speaker 3 (14:13):
Is Barkley beat them?

Speaker 2 (14:14):
Is?

Speaker 3 (14:16):
You know, he's been spending a lot of time training,
he's got a golf channel. He shot and they limit
you to double bogie like they cat you.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
It can't once you get a seven on a five,
get out done onto the.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
Next Yeah, and he shot ninety six ninety seven. He
only made four pars in three rounds.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
Are they playing tips now?

Speaker 3 (14:36):
They're set parts of me to sixty seven hundred and
it's set up.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
Nicely with them gettable. Yes, what he as his his
closest friend, who's a great golfer. What do you what
do you say about this? Shocking?

Speaker 3 (14:51):
Honestly, he's put in a lot of time, Yeah, like
teachers and taking a lot of lessons, and this was this.
It may have been his worst set of scores in
the event in four years. I know that the ninety
nine was his highest city shot ever, so very very surprising.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
Who won it on the athlete side. Joe Pavelski, who
was a hockey player, Yeah, he was first.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
Smoltz was second, the country music singer Jake Owen third,
Taylor Twelveman, the soccer commentator and soccer player fourth Staph
was fifth, Mark Mulder sixth, Anika Sorenstam seventh, Romo eighth,
Marty Fish ninth, and then the actor Michael Painya tenth.
Oh sure Narcica, Yeah, solid. Then right behind them he

(15:34):
had uh Thielen and Matt Ryan tied for eleventh, Kevin
Malar thirteenth, Austin Reeves thirteenth, Aaron Rodgers fifteenth, Jack Wagner sixteenth,
Alex Caruso seventeenth, Derrek Low eighteenth, Joe Mauer nineteenth, and
Hallie led Better twentieth.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
Is it surprising to you that that many non that
that many guys beat Sorenstam? Yeah, And in't that wild?
It is like because it feels like as good as
all of them are, And I'm sure obviously some of
them hit it further than her.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
She was the greatest.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
She doesn't. I wouldn't think that she would ever have
a mis hit. I would assume Potter wasn't great. I
watched a lot of it, did you I like watching
this event? And you have you got Luke Lucas little zogs,
so you're able to by the way, nine got it.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
We went in today for his check up ninety six
percentile in height nice twenty three and a half inches now,
heads fifteen and a half, which is like sixty third.
And then weight he's gained these over eleven pounds. Now
he is like that seventy third. But he's tall, tall boy.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
Let's go.

Speaker 4 (16:41):
He did good.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
He had some good smiles this morning. Smile at the
doctor is throwing some charm out there. Yeah, he's doing
chip off the.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
Old blocking effect. He's doing what not going to be
charmed in spades?

Speaker 3 (16:53):
Come on, by the way, my goal is to somehow
and I know that it will never happen, but to
get into this ninety.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
You can get into the barstool thing. I don't think
you're ever getting into that one.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
I don't think in barsel. I think I have a
chance at That's why said we're in contact with ricks.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
I think you could get in by the way, good,
I think you could get into that. Yeah, for sure,
I think that that one is would be impossible at
our advanced age. I think that's a tough one.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
So somebody was supposed to be in it. I'm going
to give you one guess. There was a celebrity who
was supposed to be in it, okay, and he said
I'm coming, I'll do everything. I'm taking a cart, that's
the deal. And they were like cool. And then like
two days before they're like, actually they don't want you
in a cart, and he said, the hell with you,

(17:37):
I'm not coming. Who would take that kind of a
stand that you know that would be this is a
huge miss on. Whoever made that decision should be fired.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
Trump.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
No, No, he would take that stand. This is somebody
that you like. As soon as I say, you're like
this would be the pur loves golf, known golf lover
gosh the world is one of our favorite people. L D.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
Yes, ld LD wanted to wanted a cart and they
said no, supposedly, why would you just sign right there.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
Whatever you want? Dude, ld on this playing in this
just to get them just miked up.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Yes, insane and he's a pretty good stick.

Speaker 4 (18:21):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
So the first round, the Miz actually played with Rich
Eisen in the front of the show. I would like
to think we're friends of his show. And then my
buddy Don, we are caddied for Eisen. He's at Eisen's buddy.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
You've met Don. You both met Don and at the
Common Yeah, right right.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
People caddied for Eyiesen, so like he was with Mis
the first day, Eisen unfortunately finished tied for eighty eighth
at a minus sixty. So the thing when you hear
these numbers, so ms was minus forty eight.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
Are you telling me that like I would beat these?
Because like with with a double bowie cap, I don't know.
I feel like here, du.

Speaker 3 (18:59):
List listen to this. Since how the scoring works, Frain, Yeah, baby,
he like, well we could. I'm sure, Frank, he's got
gear that I'd make it.

Speaker 4 (19:07):
Try.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
I have a better chance of restocking on a hot
beef at than I do of getting.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
Some of this gear that Brain's boys are walking around in.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
Baby blue. Come on, stop, come on. So the way
that the scoring works it's modified Stableford a. So just
get your head around this. The only way that you
can have a negative score on a hole is to
have a double bogie, and that's minus two.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
Okay, Okay.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
Bogie is zero oh okay, par is one point to
the positive. Birdies I think are three points to the positive.
Eagles are six points to the positive. A double eagle
I think is eight or and a hole in one
you get ten.

Speaker 4 (19:49):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
I'm not making any of those last three, but I
could be cutting for Birdie. I would think a little,
and I think, I, I mean, if you're capping it,
I can't do worse than a double bogie. I would
be if I couldn't make ninety, I'd.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
Be like, if you went out and shot eighteen bogies
in a row for three days, your score would be zero.
So when you think about it, shooting negative.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
Forty eight, that's just a billion doubles.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
So that's twenty four doubles if everything else was a bogie.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Yeah, And you're also saying, but if you make pars,
So he made four pars, right, so that's four points
to the positive.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
So he really had for twenty six doubles. Basically half
of his holes were doubles. The rest world, he.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
Said, sixty seven hundred yards. Now you're playing in front
of people, which is if the wheels come off when
you're playing in front of people, that really sucks for sure.
So yeah, that'd be tough. Yeah, But I mean, but
could I just feel like at some point I would
just hit a five iron off the tee and then
just keep it in play.

Speaker 4 (20:49):
I'd pull Billy out of the crowd Yeah, Billy.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
Fifty out of the ninety players finished positively yeah, and
sixty two out of the ninety were within negative ten
or better. Vrabel was a negative eight, Vince Carter negative eight,
Kyle Hughes check negative eight, Zach Levine negative seven, Emmitt
Smith negative six.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
Uh, Justin Gaitha don't know him. I figured it might
be a hockey guy, Jason when Stevie was in the
second season of Eastbound and Down.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
Gary Sheffield's minus three, Chase Ottley, my Fantaic Wells minus.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
Three, Fitz tragic by this one.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
It was fun. It's a fun watch man. I will
say this, this one shocked me. Bake, who was gregarious
and had a was awesome down bear all.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
This stuff he does when he's in thirty six. I
mean I've seen shot thought he.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
Shot ninety one, ninety five, ninety four.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
Okay, So then I'm definitely because I don't think I
would beat Bag. I mean, I've seen him swing like
he's pretty good, so maybe it's harder than I mean
they must be doing. There's gotta be fe I might
have a chance to be. Well, you're different, though, I'm like, yeah,
I think you'd be you'd be probably. I don't know,
like Schmoltz is supposed to be a plus. I think
I I think I are you better than Romo? You

(22:07):
think I think i'd be top twenty?

Speaker 4 (22:08):
You better be better than Romo.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
I think i'd be top twenty. Romo just missed the
US help and Qualifi, I would say, like, yeah, and
he probably. I'm guessing he's playing six days. He's playing
all the time, like you know, I think top twenty. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
By the way, so I mentioned earlier with the Rigs thing,
reached out to him, got back to me because I
really enjoy his Hater series. I'm not a hater, but
I think it would be fun and got the Big
L involved. We're gonna do a two on two something.
It's in the it's in right now.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
You and the Big L versus Rigs and maybe Frankie
or Trent or one of those guys. Nice nice. I
like that. That's that would be very fun. Well, what
does Riggs say is handicap A four? I don't think that.
I feel like you will.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
That's why he has the Hater series. So he plays
dudes like he played some dude who was a two
who came out to Wacopa and Riggs smoked him. Now
he also has shot high scores at oak My shot
at High. He did a twenty five thousand dollars match
against some guy who was kind of a hater that
he ended up shooting I think like ninety one at
Pasa Tiempo and lost. Like, that's not in my bag. No,

(23:15):
I'm not going to do that. But no, I mean
people can go low. I respect he's doing. He does
it all on camera.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
Yeah, it's owning it. Yeah, but I think that would
be I think it's a lot of fun. Yeah. Yeah,
that's what we're working on.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
We're right now. Just so you know that's being efforted.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
Well, I like that. I like the idea of it
being efforted. Have you you know I was at ta
I was in Tahoe once as a small kid. Have
you been there recently in your life.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
I've been there multiple times in my life, but recently.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
No. I would love to go play that course, though.
How do you how would you describe it Tahoe?

Speaker 3 (23:45):
Yeah, mountains cascading with pine trees into a beautiful blue
lake and it's high elevation, very high elevation. Yet so
it's over six thousand feet, so like the ball flies. Yeah,
so it plays even shorter than.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
It very much feels like where we just were in Quardlaine,
like as a very similar, similar lake mountain feel to it.
I don't think Quardlaine is at that elevation.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
It looks a little bit to me like when we
go out to Seattle and you get those areas where
there's the mountains and then the pines just kind of
cascade into beautiful lakes sunny in Seattle, and I'm stunning.
That's what looks like. But on a I mean it is,
it's a big lakes on a grand scale. It's in
two states for Kranel.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
And it's uh, it's probably a very short I'm guessing
it's a July August kind of only. Uh terms of
like if you want to be like Michael Corleone on
the boat, Yeah, it's very short.

Speaker 3 (24:38):
You'd probably be right about that.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
Yeah, short short window into that Bye Bye. Donna had
the greatest time ever.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
I mean they're out there tubing and the boating during
the day at you know, after the round, there's apparently
a lot of good fun stuff that happens. It sounds
like the greatest invite possible.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Okay, we have another uniform drop. Yes, chargers added too.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
No interest in the yellow. I don't mind as a
one off. The Navy no interest in the yellow.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
So it went a a an all yellow interestless. Yeah
that is that doesn't look like them at all. I
don't love the Navy because I didn't like that era
with them, but their ownership loves it so much, and
they woren't for a long time. I like it as
a one off, and I think it's fine.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
It's still invokes like Ladanian.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
Yeah, looks like Tonio Gage Junior Seau.

Speaker 4 (25:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
Like so I don't as a one off.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
I don't mind it at all.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
There and quite frankly, and I know this might be unpopular.
You might say I couldn't agree more. Get the yellow
pants out of the catalog all together.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
I don't. I don't mind it here because this is
what they wore with the Carolina blue top. That's what
they wore in the Fouts era. No, that's more like
lance Alworth with the yellow pants. The Founts era was
actually a Royal blue. It was a different blue. It
was a royal though, so they used to have a
Royal blue one off and it looks like they got
rid of that replaced it either with this yellow one,

(26:02):
which is yellow head to toe, or the and the
navy one. Is that the is the second shell. It's
the navy shell.

Speaker 3 (26:07):
Yeah, so I see he wears there are some in
the yellow pants more white pants yea, yeah, definitely yellow pants.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Yeah, they did wear those light sixties. I do think
the white pants are better. Yeah, I mean, I like
that looked better. But I don't mind it because at
least they wore it. They saw yellow. Thing looks pretty crazy.
That's crazy. And then what was the other one that
happened today?

Speaker 3 (26:25):
Oh the beautiful But that's just the home cream cickle.
It's not like it's I knew we've seen it, just
like we were talking about before. I think the home
of the of the Broncos is epic. I think the
home as well of even the oilers. When they had
the oilers, I preferred the color oilers, and I guess
he's the road.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
So my mistake the whites.

Speaker 3 (26:44):
The white oilers is great because it just stuff pops
so well.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
Yeah, and I think it's I think it was. What
was jarring to me is you rarely saw it in
the last twenty five years when they wore the throwback.
They always wear the cream sickle at home. Yeah, they
don't wear the road uniform. But it's so it's really pretty,
so good and this is the time, right. We saw
this with the Commanders last week, you saw it with
the Chargers today, the Bucks today, and then there's more coming.

(27:15):
You're here in the next week. You're gonna start to
see more of these. And I know you know we've
got one reportedly there was one tomorrow in terms of
a helmet, but you know, we know these things are coming.
So all yellows are terrible. That's not good. I mean no,
I don't off. I don't know. I don't think you
need that. That seems like one of those sport you
could just you know, it looks like you've won with
you want to bring back the Navy because it's near

(27:36):
and dear to your particular the Spanish family. Fine that one,
but that I don't mind that, Like that's a good
it looks like them at least.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
Yes, yes, I prefer their powder blues. You prefer the
powder blues. I even like the fouts here. But like that,
that's a good looking uniform. You're t say out Ladany
and yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
It always bugged me because they always had the powder
blues and they wouldn't wear them out of treat stubbornness, right,
And so they created this navy blue just for because
their family wanted a different shade of blue.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
What's what's interesting though, is even in their their release
video for these the Best got Better again, the Chargers
are showing all that, and they have one of the
guys do the Ladanian you know, like the tea cup
or whatever. They wore those Navies with white pants. They did,
so I don't know why they would just wear white
pants with us.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
I don't either. They like the monochrome look. They got
several of those that are out there, so.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
You like it, like just like with ours though, we
always think that we look better over the white pants
are over the brown pants.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
Yeah. My favorite uniform we have is is the all
whites and then the brown over whites. Yeah, those are
my two favorites.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
The Navies are pretty, they're tough. The yellows are god awful.
It's brutal, total fail. Those are hot topics that they
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Speaker 2 (29:09):
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one through twelve. Rank our position groups least questions to most,
least questions to most.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
So his number one least questions or his number one.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
Number one is no questions, right, Number one is best
least questions about Okay, going into this season, I have
the least questions I think about our corners as it stands,

(30:42):
we haven't. Everyone's on the roster.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
All right, I'm going to say I have the fewest
questions about our defensive ends.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Okay, I would go DNS too.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
When you say twelve, we're breaking it down.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
Like sounds like he's got special teams units. Interior offensive line, tackles,
defensive ends, d tackles, linebackers, corners, safety, receivers, running backs, corners, quarterbacks.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
I'm gonna say second, then I would say interior offensive line.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
I mean, at least its starters. We know it's Antonio
Post it can teller.

Speaker 4 (31:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
The only reason I have corners and d ns hire
is just age wise. You're getting some age on that.
But that interior as it stands right now, would would
definitely be a top three for me.

Speaker 3 (31:32):
Interior line, and I'm fine with corners. Funny, I would
have said three days ago, I would have had running.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Backs up here pretty high, yep. But I will not
have that now. Now it's just now, it's a lot.
Now you're splitting hair between. There's questions really everywhere here
going forward, it might be easier to do this inverted.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
Yeah, all right, most questions quarterback.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
That's fine, Yeah, totally fine. Questions.

Speaker 4 (32:10):
Gave you the task. And if we need to mind fight,
QB is.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
At twelve, QBS at twelve. Now, I agree with you,
But I also I don't mind that room at all.
Like I agreed there there are great you know, I think,
but yes, most quite absolutely, it has to be twelve.
But I also think that you're going to be in
a better position at the position this year than you

(32:35):
were last year for most of last year. Agreed, so,
but yes, I still it has to be number twelve.
You know what might be pretty well, let's keep building
from the bottom up.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
Number eleven. I'm gonna a wide receiver.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
Yeah, I mean that's been kind of one of my
themes all summer long, as like, I just think you
need so.

Speaker 3 (32:59):
The two positions that I would like to have be
one and two.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
To me, it was between wide receiver and safety.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
I have Delpit, Delpit, you've got Hickman, and then you
brought in some real veterans. That's true, that's true, Jenkins,
demonte Kyz like you have these are people, yeah, these
are veterans.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
Veterans, yeah, wide receiver you are. And we've I've talked
about this all all summer. You have Judy who had
a career year but has to now stack it and
then it's just question mark, question mark, question mark. Tillman
when he's healthy started to flash, but then missed what
the last six games?

Speaker 4 (33:38):
Yep, and you didn't see him till the final day
of mini camp, right, didn't see him?

Speaker 2 (33:43):
Yeah? I mean, I yeah, I think I think wide
receiver is the right one at eleven for sure, all right, ten.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
Linebacker without j Okay, you know Hicks in the next year,
you rafted Swssenger, but we haven't seen him yet, have
seen him?

Speaker 4 (34:10):
Can we make the argument about tackle?

Speaker 3 (34:13):
So I think, like with Conklin and dwand at least
you kind of feel, okay, it's it's coming quickly, I
would say, But like, I don't think right now, these
are the.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
Team position groups you're talking about, right, You're talking about
tackle linebacker, and I think defensive tackle just that's such
an investment in Graham, like you, we shouldn't. They shouldn't
be that in my hall, like they shouldn't be. No,
I'd put them.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
They'd probably be in the top closer to the middle.
Right running back has to be here. Now is tight
end four? That's what I have for you.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Yeah, that's what I think tight ends for. That's that's
a decent room. You gotta you got a pro bowler
fanin is going to be a stud. So I think
I think tight ends are four.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
I would maybe go all right, that's what I would do, probably,
And then where's it?

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Special teams? Special teams? I mean, I think special teams
has got to be pretty pretty high on the list
of of of concerned. I mean, Bork has Bjork haz
but you know it didn't go great for d Hop
brought in a kicker, like what I mean, So I
you know that might be nine ten. I put them nine.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
And if the Hop plays like he did a few
years ago. We've never had the return game lockdown.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
Never, No, who do we have?

Speaker 3 (35:31):
This is more The reason to nice is really because
of the Hop season last year.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
If it was the previous year, then they'd be top four. Yeah,
probably who's ten? Who do we decide to.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
Then I'd probably go tackle tackle at eight?

Speaker 2 (35:45):
Yeah? Do you feel better about if there's no injury,
Conklin and Dewan or the veterans Hickman and Delpit. But
you can't look at at the problem is you can't
look at Jack into one not think about the I.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
Just thought about and then cornelis Lucas. We haven't seen
him as a brown.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
Yeah, and then and injuries are just part of those
two guys lives. Fortunately they have.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
Thin Yeah, yeah, I'd probably go tackle tackle at eight, yeah,
then safety at seven, then running back at six, and defensive.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
Tackle at five.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
By the way, did we have that conversation about the
pants on air or off air?

Speaker 2 (36:26):
On air?

Speaker 4 (36:27):
We did?

Speaker 2 (36:28):
It's basic, Yeah, we did. Didn't we have the didn't
we It was that off.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
I think it was offer. So the last time we
wore white over the brown pants, oh no, it was
off That was on commercial for twenty three. Last season
is the first season we did not wear white over
brown at any points.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
So we wore them in twenty twenty three or white
over brown like once.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
Or just a little bit or all that was just
listed as it was worn in the game.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
I can't even picture them. Do they have the white
and orange stripe on them? Are they just all browns.

Speaker 3 (36:53):
It's the it's the brown and orange stripe.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
Right, That's something I don't even recall us in those Yeah. Yeah,
it seems like it's been white over white or white
over orange.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
So last year was last year we only wore it
was the fewest combos we've worn in a long time.
We wore brown over white, brown over orange, the all
white with the white helmet, white over white, and then
white over orange. Last year. We never wore a brown pant. Yeah,
but we'd warm brown pants every year prior.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
Okay, yeah, yeah, So there you go. The moral of
the story here is is once you get past number four. Yeah,
and even I mean interior offensive line is number three.
But it is an it's I mean I think you
had it two, I had it three. Whatever, it's it's
an injury. I mean, it's an aging room. It's it's

(37:49):
an aging room, and you need some of those young
guys to have big, big camps. Is probably the easiest
way to kind of break all of that down. All right,
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told you guys. This is a couple of years ago
when I was on the phone trying to purchase something
and I didn't have a credit card, and I asked

(39:18):
my wife if she had hers, and then she said,
I don't, but I know the number. I went, come again,
and then she rattled off the number like every digit,
expiration date, code, all of the numbers by memory, like
the way you do like in college, like you have
to know you so security number. Okay, So she knew
the credit card number like that, and I went, oh
my god, this is diabolical. That's that she has this memory.
This is this is a stunning thing. So in that

(39:41):
same vein we're driving back on the Turnpike through Pennsylvania
and I drive pretty much always, but she's like, let
me drive last hour, Like it's fine, I'll give you
a break. And I'm like, okay, it's been a long
seventy two hours, Fine, you can drive. She doesn't drive
with the cruise, and I said, what what do you

(40:03):
what do you got going on over there? You've all
over the place, You're seventy nine seventy two. What are
we doing? I said, just set it at seventy five,
seventy seven whatever, Just set the cruise. You don't like to,
what do you mean you don't I'm like, what do
you mean you don't like to? Like? This will keep
you at a speed where you can make constant make

(40:23):
some hay and you're not gonna get pulled. You're never
gonna get pulled head foot, every heavy foot, You're not
going to make people wait behind you.

Speaker 4 (40:30):
Like.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
This is a better experience, I promise you, totally. And
I tried to set it and she's like, don't, no, don't, don't,
And I'm like I was blown away. I go, do
you always drive this way?

Speaker 4 (40:41):
Like?

Speaker 2 (40:42):
Because ninety nine percent of the time when we go somewhere,
I drive, so I've never witnessed her driving that much. Say,
it's funny.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
I'm like, I'm like LD, I'm like in the passenger seat,
don't have an identity in the passer seat. Miss Kate
loves to drive, which is great, it's great for me,
especially Yeah from dinner, fantastic, lovely. But it on the
freeway and we both have cars that will drive you.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (41:04):
Let alone the cruise control. But she and her own
no cruise control. Like if I go on the long drive,
I'm always in cruise control.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
Of course, I'm never out of it now getting on
or off the freeway.

Speaker 4 (41:14):
Or you're going through the state of Indiana, which don't
have the option.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
But if I have the option, I'm the same speed always.

Speaker 3 (41:20):
Yeah, I'm pretty much locked in. I'm a little more
ambitious than you.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
Even been burnt. Like me, I think you're still you're
still fresh. I'm eight nine.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
They're not.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
You're not conn puller eight nine. No way, I did.
I pulled over for a six.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
That's outrageous.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
I was outrageous. But we got a six over to
Mount Vernon.

Speaker 4 (41:40):
Yeah, that's a quota.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
But then you had to meet in order to fight it.
I had to meet at their their courthouse at eight
am on a Tuesday. Well, I'm not doing that. It's
not working out for money. It's the way that works.
But to me, I just did never see anything. I
just like, what are you? How are we not?

Speaker 4 (41:55):
So I got annoyed when I went up to Niagara, Yeah,
for my my golf weekend. Yeah, I had a car.
I just rented something to get me there and back. Yeah,
something simple. I was like, great, I don't want to
put the miles on my car, and I had a deal,
got it done. I'm driving with the cruise on, and

(42:19):
all of a sudden I look down it because I
feels I'm like, why am I decelerating? The car just
randomly decelerates now if you hit a hill or something
like some of the new cruise controls. Because I asked,
I go, hey, the cruise control wasn't working. They're like, so, like,
were you going through a hillie part? And I was like, well,
I was driving up into New York yeah, And they

(42:40):
were like, yeah, like the cruise will turn itself off.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
I go, that's not cruise, then you cee speing cruise.

Speaker 4 (42:49):
That's a diet here.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
If it's dying in there. That's the whole point of cruise.

Speaker 4 (42:54):
That's what I go. What I go every five minutes.
It was de cell and I had to reset the cruise.
I've never heard of this wild.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
That is wild.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
Sometimes Bin will do it. If it sees a like
an exit ramp sign, then it'll come down. If it
missmistakenly thinks that's one of the speed signs. But yeah,
diabol could play out of her. Never see anything like it.
A couple things around the sports world. Forty nine Yers
wide receiver Juan Jennings, entering the final year of his deal,
wants a new contract or a trade. None of this

(43:28):
is a thing until I start missing games.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
G My dad's furious.

Speaker 4 (43:32):
I was just gonna say, because Jerry Rice is saying
they're not as good as they have been, saying, who's
not as good as the Niners? He goes, I think
the Niners had too many changes.

Speaker 3 (43:42):
Yeah, so oh, here's my dad has he said not good?
He is their best receiver. I you contract was insanely dumb.
I you because a jerk, and Jennings is not. Lynch
had him traded to the Steeler until Kyle ran up
to Lynch's office pleading for him to be signed a
year ago. Bad move. I yuk A is a diva
with one productive season. I said, why do the Niners

(44:03):
have so much drama? He said, drama, and they often
handle it poorly. My dad's not happy now. Brandon Ayuke
season that he had was statistically one of the great
seasons in terms of efficiency all of that. I think
there are a lot of people that very much would
want Brandon Ayuk on their team. He got hurt last year,
so it's kind of hard to say. But my dad
is very much a He draws a line in the
same type of a Yeah, those are his takes, as
you know, not a lot of gray area. But Jennings

(44:27):
is only making I think like seven and a half million.
He should be making more than that. I mean, he's
better than that. So we'll see how it works out.
And I just don't have a lot of money. They
have a lot of big, big, big, big contracts.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
So some pretty interesting news.

Speaker 4 (44:42):
You have the same thing that I had.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
Yeah, this is a thing. So this is reporting out
of college station in Texas. So this is maybe you
and I are looking at different Are we looking at
different things?

Speaker 4 (44:51):
Are they say we're looking at different things.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Okay, so I look forward to what you have, because
this is what I have. So Schmart Stewart was the
first round pick of the Bengals. So the twenty four
to seven reporter at Texas A and M as reported
that Stewart is at A and M. He's involved in workouts,
and a source of his in college station and says, hey,
Schamar might end up back here and guess what he can. Yep,

(45:19):
he can. There's no rule saying that he's got eligibility.
There is no longer anything for taking money. That's all
above board. Now, if this happens, if this goes, if
this kid goes back to A and M, and this
is a first round pick at the Cincinnati Bengals, to me,
the NFL will have no choice but to get involved

(45:40):
in what is going on in college football at the moment.
And it's a mess and they don't want to dip
their toe in it. But this would be a massive
deal if a first round pick could leverage an NFL
team with his college team and a return to play. Yes,
that's a bit massive.

Speaker 4 (45:58):
Baseball.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
They do it in base yeah, yeah, they do it
in baseball. Yeah, yeah, that's insane. No, we've never I
mean that, no one's ever tried this correct and it's
never been legal because you couldn't. You couldn't ever once
you make money, you couldn't go back to being an amateur.
But they're making money, so there's nothing. He has eligibility left.

(46:23):
All you'd have to do is get academically eligible, which
to me it feels like they can do quite easily
these days, and he'd be good to go, so they
he could use A and M as leverage against the Bengals.
It really is wild.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
That really is the Bengals handling of a couple of
things are It is hard to get your head around.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
That is a wild precedent, is a very wild precedent.

Speaker 4 (46:51):
And I feel like that guy is hell Ben. I
will go back to A and M. Well, the I'm
not using it as leverage, like it's in play for
me to go back because I'm tired of dealing with
you people.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
He's already a millionaire. He's been compensated by A and M.
He was a five star, he was paid to go there.
He's been paid since he's been there. He hasn't signed
with Cincinnati, and at Cincinnati's trying to do something different
with him that they've done with all their other picks.
Like it's who them and one other team that does
this that are trying to do this thing making less

(47:22):
of it, guaranteed. That's what this is all about.

Speaker 4 (47:25):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
Well, and we have right now. I mean, he's got
real leverage here. He's got real leverage.

Speaker 3 (47:32):
There's a crazy thing going on in the NFL around
things like this.

Speaker 4 (47:36):
Now.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
The Bengals, what they're doing are quite frankly, it's it
to their own detriment. They're not handling things right, and
they're handling things in a way that it is an
anomaly to everybody else.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
And this is why it's a long ago. They should
take some of that private equity money and then they
they're the team to do it.

Speaker 3 (47:56):
They're the team to do it. On the flip side
of this is what happened in Houston that has now
caused Right now, I believe it's thirty of the thirty
two second round picks in this draft have not signed

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their contracts.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
We got into this a little bit yesterday with the
Junkins stuff.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
Thirty third overall picks. Swashinger signed his deal with the
Browns in early May, the Texan selected wide receiver Jaden
Higgins one pick later sign is deal. At the same time,
both signed fully guaranteed contracts, a first for second round
picks in the latest CBA. Because they signed those deals
within weeks after the draft, they may have set a
new standard that other players from round two are looking
to capitalize on. Every single remaining second round pick has

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not signed, and they're waiting for Nick aman Wori, the
safety who got drafted by Seattle, to see if he
takes guaranteed money or not fully guaranteed, and then everybody
else will follow. But that's the way, that's where we're
at now. It's even whi I Quinn, Shawn Judkins, tray
Von Henderson, Luther Bird, and Tyler Schuck, Mason Taylor. I'm
just going through some of the offensive players, Terrence Ferguson,

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Elijah Arroyo, Trey Harris, Jack Beck, RJ. Harvey. There are
a lot of people here in that thirty of the
thirty two second round picks have not signed because of that.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
So there's a lot going on in that one.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
So what the Texans did was really more the shocker,
the thirty third pick sometimes that has happened where they
get a fully guaranteed contract, but not pick thirty four.
That's never happened. And now it's you're having a huge
holdout of prime talent right there.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
Now, what did you see Terry mclaurin's talking, What do
you have to say?

Speaker 4 (49:47):
Very newsy presser talked. It was like a Hendrickson like
twenty five minute presser.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (49:53):
Hasn't heard from the Commanders on his contract in over
a month. Frustrated, disappointed with work Hawks were when they
broke off, doesn't feel valued or appreciated. Has been in
touch with many of his teammates that he has their support.
Referenced market being set and wanting to be paid what
he deserves. This is the This is the key, says

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he hasn't considered a trade yet, but wants to be
valued and takes two parties to get a deal done.
In other words, he'll probably be a pros pro and
show up, but you're not getting the hometown discount going.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
Forward right now, this year coming up, he is going
to count twenty five million dollars against the cap. He
is making fifteen point five million in base, five point
six million in a pro rated signing. Bonus two point
eight million, in a roster bonus eight hundred and fifty thousand,

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he's got a per game bonus of another eight hundred
and fifty thousand dollars, and he has got a workout
bonus of five hundred and another bonus of two one
hundred and fifty thousand, and a guaranteed salary of two
point eight million. Point is, he's making a ton of money.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
This year.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
His wide receiver contract, in terms of the full contract
value was sixteenth amongst all wide receivers. And I would
imagine this year in terms of by position, he's got
to be up there. He's got to be pretty good
this year by position. If he's at twenty five million dollars.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
Yeah, let's say total value. Let me see fully guaranteed
average per year.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
His average per year was sixteenth, and this year's making
more than that average perer.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
That's kind of like no offense. That's kind of where
he should be. It's kind of where he is.

Speaker 3 (51:37):
And he's thirty, and does he really I think that,
You know, he obviously is wanting to get that one
last big contract and get secured. But if I was,
I'll be honest with you. If I'm the Commanders. I'm saying,
you're getting twenty five million dollars this year. Let's keep
it going. He's coming off of one thousand and ninety
six yards and a career high thirteen touchdowns. That's impressive.

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He has been five straight thousand yard seasons or more,
very good. This thirteen is an anomaly. His previous four
seasons combined were eighteen touchdowns.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
Well, and he also got great quarterback places.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
He's got Jane Daniels for sure. I think he's being
paid kind of around where he should be paid now.
He wants a new deal. Totally respect that, and gett
he was a second team All Pro last year. You
would think, if you're the Commanders, if he's in, what
he's really saying to me is, look, I know where

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I'm at all of that. If I was really in
your plans for the future, you're extending me Now.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
You're a thirty year old wide receiver man. Like that's
just the tru that's the real truth of it.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
That's the real truth of it. And last year the
commis like, my guess is, if you're them, you're like, okay,
was that thirteen touchdowns? Which feels like a bit of
an anomaly?

Speaker 4 (52:58):
Was that?

Speaker 3 (52:59):
Was it an anomala? Or can we count on that again?
He hadn't had more than five touchdowns in a season
since twenty nineteen. Steady as they come. He's never been
below nine hundred yards in a season in his NFL career.
Last year incredibly efficient, all right, So he's a darn
good player.

Speaker 4 (53:19):
Finally had a quarterback to throw him the football.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
Ye, yeah, he did so to me, like at twenty
five if that's yeah, I mean he's at yeah, he's
right around there. So like if you just look at
the guys that I assume, I mean, like the guy's
making more than him and it's just marginally it's like
DJ Moore, T Higgins, and then you get into the
Tyreek Hill Brandon Ayuk, I'm on Saint Brown, AJ Brown.

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Then you're Garrett Wilson thirty two to five. That's top five, right,
Like he's paid probably where he should be. The only
one that's making more than him that shouldn't is probably Ridley.
But I mean Pittman Junior hasn't produced to that level.
But they're younger players too.

Speaker 4 (53:58):
Would you rather have T Higgins or mcl lauren.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
Higgins Higgins, T Higgins, Yeah, I DeVonta Smith and McLaurin, Yeah,
I mean, I think he's where he ought to be.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
He'd probably rather have, Honestly, right now, you'd probably rather
have Jerry Judy at this point in their respecting careers.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
Yeah, I don't know. I think he's right where he
probably ought to be. He's got a huge payday this year.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
Normally this is where you would think they might, you know,
they might let him go. Yeah, because he's in the
big balloon portion at the end of his contract and
they're not. To me, I just think it seems pretty
good to me if you're Jerry McLaurin, and I think that.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
You could probably just do another short one and keep
him around that money, give him one more year ago
what's for sure, and then you're good for sure?

Speaker 4 (54:50):
All right?

Speaker 2 (54:51):
Second hour of the program coming up next, we continue
with the quarter century team on the defense. We're picking linebackers.
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Speaker 1 (55:09):
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Speaker 2 (55:31):
All right, second hour here on a half Beef Tuesday edition,
wearing beef.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
Way when I wear this one backwards because it's so
C three, it's just like it looks like I'm bold.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
If you put it down tight, I don't think it would.
It's a forward one for me. It's a forward Yeah,
there's a it's a formidable lid. It's a damn fine lead.
It is jump out of the haff and all the
half beef that he's got he's slinging. All right, we
are picking linebackers, okay for the quarter century team. All right,

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we've we had where do we end up with nine
on the defensive front?

Speaker 4 (56:14):
We did?

Speaker 2 (56:15):
Where's my where's my linebacker? You got it? You got it?

Speaker 3 (56:18):
Linebacker list?

Speaker 2 (56:19):
Yeah? See if we have one in here, there we go.
You got one? Yep.

Speaker 4 (56:23):
You guys should both have I promise.

Speaker 3 (56:28):
So that's interesting. Again, we fell victim to the three
four four three thing like Paul Krueger maybe should have
been on the the defense, should have been let me see,
I think he had a he had Did he get
to ten?

Speaker 2 (56:45):
Do you have two linebacker lists over there?

Speaker 3 (56:46):
Paul Kruger had eleven sacks for us in two thousand
and four. One of the Paul Krueger is going in
on the.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
End, pull out, Oh there you go, thank you give
you're pulling out a you can pull out a Olivier
vernon a jibowl shared.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
It's probably Zadarius, honestly, and I loved him.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
Yeah, but yeah, Paul Krueger.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
Paul Kruger probably starts miles.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
Yeah, yeah, alright, so Krueger goes.

Speaker 3 (57:13):
In there, Paul Krueger's in.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
That's one of things got to look for in the
three four era four to three. The only other person
on here would fit that bill would be Willie mcg
but I don't think he was quite with the Browns.
What he was in New England.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
That was like one of those end of the world
like Romeo was.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
Here thirty five years old.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
Yeah, he came here, so he probably wasn't on that list.
Tell me do we want in this room? So we
did nine there, so we are at thirty four total
at this.

Speaker 3 (57:44):
Set, twenty five on this side we've we're at nine,
so we're going to have I mean at least five,
could be six, but at least five.

Speaker 4 (57:58):
All right, Some of these guys had sneaky good stats
or better stouts than one would think. That's why their
names are on here.

Speaker 3 (58:05):
There's a lot of tackle accumulation that happens when you're
a bad football team, when you're making in the second half.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
Al Right, The most dynamic one of the people, the
most dynamic one on this list in my time here
is j Okaj is automatic.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
He's he's number one.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
So to me, that's you know, God willing we can
see him do it again. But the way he played
the position was so much fun to watch. And he
was quite honestly robbed of being in Pro Bowl all
Pro conversations. I don't know why. He's always very good
at the PFF and like, for whatever reason did.

Speaker 4 (58:41):
Transfer wasn't listed? Remember the one year the Bowl? Yeah,
they were like crazy, why is he not? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (58:48):
So, I mean he's the most fun I've had watching
somebody play linebacker.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
Yep, is him all right? Number two and he kind
of had a jok like season. Automatic bid is Jamiir Miller.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
Yeah, out of Ucla, I believe right.

Speaker 3 (59:04):
Jamillia Miller former pick of the Cardinals in the first
round out of Ucla from El Cerrito in two thousand
and one, give a maybe you'll be able to give
us some shed some light on this, because I don't
know the answer to this. So in two thousand and one,
Jamiir Miller has a career high thirteen sacks, fourteen passes defense,

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four force fumbles, twenty two tackles for loss, and one
hundred and one tackles. He is a Pro Bowler, he
is a first team All Pro, and he is fourth
in the Defensive Player of the Year voting. And he
never plays again. I know he got hurt going into
twenty two thousand and two, was on IR and then
he was released and never played again. That was his
last season of his career.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
Really, yeah, it's out of my depth. I don't have
a I don't have any idea what that's about.

Speaker 3 (59:54):
I know he got hurt in twenty two because he
was placed on In August twelfth of two thousand and two,
he was placed on IR, so he must have gotten
hurt in preseason or train camp. And then in February
of two thousand and three he was released and that
was the end of his football.

Speaker 4 (01:00:07):
So on August tenth, two thousand and two, in a
preseason game, it's Minnesota.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
Acl Miller ruptured his right achilles achilles.

Speaker 4 (01:00:15):
Attempted to rehab the injury and return the following year,
but a middling April two thousand and three workout, by
his admission and advice from his doctors, convinced him to
retire on May sixteenth.

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
So he retired. His last year's first team All Pro
fourth in defensive player that year voting, So he was.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
That's another so that all of this is happening at
the same time. So he's having All Pro season, You've
drafted Gerard Warren, Courtney Brown, Couch, like all of this
stuff is happening. You're just going, what the hell?

Speaker 4 (01:00:45):
Man?

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
By the way, it's kind of a what the hell?

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
Jamir Miller has a season with one hundred tackles twenty
tackles for loss sacks?

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
Is that elite?

Speaker 3 (01:00:54):
Like j Okay was just voted as a sixth best
linebacker in football and didn't play half the season last year.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
Right, and then he doesn't play again. Yeah, and you
certainly hope that does not happen with with j Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:01:06):
And to be fair, Miller had three decent years. I mean,
I know year, but yeah, he had four and a
f sacks and one hundred and eighteen tackles.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
No, that's a stunt.

Speaker 4 (01:01:17):
Five sacks, and.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
But like when does the Achilles injury happen? How old
is he? He was third? I just had it here.
He was twenty. It was going into his twenty nine
year old season. Okay, so he was still in his
Miles's age, right, Miles age now, like still in his prime.
Like that's a that's a brutal one. Yeah, he's definitely
on it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
All right, Dauwel Jackson's got to be on it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
Duquel Jackson is definitely.

Speaker 4 (01:01:40):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
You know, multiple one hundred and fifty tackle seasons, led
the league in tackles, YadA, YadA, Yeah, all of that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
The only Pro Bowl he makes those the year after
he's done here, he goes to Indian does it. But yeah,
he's the he was the tackle machine.

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
I don't know if we're going to get any more
Pro bowlers from a Brown standpoint, Joe show Herko, So
what's crazy? Has he only played one season here? To
Mario Davis and then he leaves here, goes to New
Orleans and is five straight years in a row, he's
first or second team All Pro.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
To Mario Davis is a wild one. It's unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
UH coach a show.

Speaker 4 (01:02:22):
We were at some I can't even remember the name
of the bar, but he came out and we were like,
all right, to Mario, let's see what this is all about,
and such a good dude. Was like the interview blew
us away. We're like, okay, the boat on this guy.
Oh yeah, we traded him. I want to say one
for one for Calvin Pryor. And then Calvin Pryor got

(01:02:46):
a fight with Ricardo Lewis in practice and they got
rid of him then caught him.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
Joe Schobert's definitely.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
I want to tell you something else. Joe Shobert. Anything
this organization asked of him, on or off the field,
the answer was yes, correct. He was at every single
time that we broadcast from uh every every time, every time,
every time he was there. He was there when we
weren't food Bank, he was there any sort of anything

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in terms of the charitable good of the organization, He's there.
He was the consummate Cleveland Brown in his time. So yeah,
Joe Shobert for sure. Plus he made a Pro Bowl absolutely,
So you got Jamiir Duquell Joe the show, j Okay.
Then it's a then to Mario Davis is in the mix.
Chris Kirkho's probably in the mix. Dansby would be in

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the mix.

Speaker 4 (01:03:43):
Was late product.

Speaker 3 (01:03:46):
Oh man, he had that food guru guy and then
he had those like those.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
I mean Dansey when he was here averaged over one
hundred tackles.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
In his two seasons.

Speaker 3 (01:03:56):
He had two uh he had three picks one year,
two touch to return for a touchdown, had two pick sixes.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
Man, this was the Andre Davis. You know, I don't
you'd have that'd be a ghibbe one. You have to
lean on you on that one. Good player, A long time,
good player, really good player here a long time.

Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
He had one hundred and forty nine tackles, one hundred
and thirty eight tackles one year as well.

Speaker 4 (01:04:27):
Carlos Stansby's product. Yeah, montez Renault, right.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
You know man man product line.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
Kirko had two really good seasons, one forty eight and
one hundred and thirty eight tackles, had six sacks over
those two years.

Speaker 4 (01:04:47):
Taki's numbers just weren't.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
Kirko is just such a good dude that I would
almost put him on just for being such a great dude.
Jamie Collins probably had the best season of.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
Any he had one here. Yeah, yeah, his last season.

Speaker 3 (01:05:00):
You're actually in twenty eighteen. Jamie Collins sixteen games, had
one hundred and four tackles, four sacks, thirteen tackles for lost,
seven quarterback hits, four passes, defense to force fumble, an interception,
a fumble recovery.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
I'm just gonna say Kirko just because.

Speaker 4 (01:05:18):
We like, let's just go Kirko then, So he's the
thick Kirko likes Showbert, like when someone had to talk
to the media when you were winning games. Yeah, stood
up there and faced the firing squad every week.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
So we've got j Oka, Joe The Show, Kirko, Duquel Jackson,
and Jamiir Miller. Those five, yep, j Okay, Joe The Show, Kirko,
du Quell, and Jamiir Miller. That's good in the Huffy.
If he loves it, that's great. Yes, there you go.

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All right, there are your linebackers. So we got five
of them. So that leaves us with thirty nine thirty
nine with safeties and corners on the defensive side to come.
So there will be eleven that come out of that mix.
We'll go a little bit around the sports world, have
a little fun about a little bit of a golf
conversation around the Open Championship as well. It's come to

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Speaker 4 (01:07:03):
Good?

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
There we go go ahead plan.

Speaker 4 (01:07:05):
You know, I think it's kind of funny.

Speaker 6 (01:07:06):
I think, you know, I think I said something after
the buyern this year about like it feels like you
work your whole life to celebrate winning a tournament for
like a few minutes. It only lasts a few minutes.
That kind of euphoric feeling, and I like to win
the Buyer Nelson Championship at home. I literally worked my

(01:07:26):
entire life to become good at golf to have an
opportunity to win that tournament. And you win it, you celebrate,
get to hug, hug my family, my sister's there. It's
such an amazing moment. And then it's like, Okay, now
what are we gonna eat for dinner? You know, life
goes on. This is it great to be able to
win tournaments and to accomplish the things I have in

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the game of golf. Yet I mean it it brings
tears my eyes just to think about because it's literally
worked my entire life to become good at the sport
and to have that kind of sense of accomplishment. I
think is is a pretty cool feeling, you know, to
get to live out your dreams.

Speaker 4 (01:08:01):
It's very special.

Speaker 6 (01:08:02):
But at the end of the day, it's like, I'm
not out here to inspire the next generation of golfers.
I don't I'm not here to inspire somebody else to
be the best player in the world, because what's the point.
You know, this is not a fulfilling life. It's it's
fulfilling from the sense of accomplishment, but it's not fulfilling
from a sense of like the deepest, you know, places
of your heart. You know, there's a lot of people

(01:08:22):
that make it to what they thought was going to
fulfill them in life, and then you get there, and
all of a sudden you get to number one in
the world, and then they're like, what's the point? And
you know, I really do believe that, because you know,
what is the point? You're like, why do I want
to win this tournament so bad? That's something that I
wrestle with on a daily basis. It's like showing up
with the Masters every year. It's like, why do I
want to win this golf tournament so badly? Why do

(01:08:44):
I want to win the Open Championship so badly? I
don't know, because if I win, it's gonna be awesome
for about two minutes, and then we're going to get
to the next week and it's gonna be like, hey.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
You want two majors this year?

Speaker 6 (01:08:55):
How important is it for you to win the FedEx
Cup playoffs? And it's just like we're back here again,
you know, So we really do. We work so hard
for such little moments and you know, I'm kind of
sick of I love putting in the work, I love
being able to practice. I love getting out to live
out my dreams. But at the end of the day,
sometimes I just don't understand the.

Speaker 4 (01:09:12):
Point, you know, because.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
I don't know if I'm making any sense or not.
But am I not.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
It's just it's just one of those.

Speaker 6 (01:09:22):
Deals, you know. I I love the challenge. I love
being able to play this game for a living. It's
it's one of the greatest joys of my life. But
does it fill the deepest, you know, wants and desires
of my heart. Absolutely not. I mean, I love playing golf.
I love being able to compete. I love living out
my dreams. I love being a father. I love being
able to take care of my son. I love being

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able to provide for my family out here playing golf.
And you know, every day when I wake up early
to go put in the work, you know, my wife
thanks me for going out and working so hard. And
when I get home, I try and thank her every
day for taking care of our son. It's just, you know,
that's why I talk about families being my priority, because.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
It really is.

Speaker 4 (01:10:01):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:10:01):
I'm blessed to be able to come out here and
play golf. But if my golf ever started affecting my
home life or itever affected the relationship I have with
my wife or with my son, you know that's gonna
be the last day that I play out here for
a living. You know, this is not the be all
end all. This is not the most important thing in
my life. And that's why I wrestle with why is
is so important to me? Because you know, I would
much rather be a great father than I would be

(01:10:22):
a great golfer. You know that at the end of
the day, that that's what's more important to me.

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
Sucks. I hate it, I really do.

Speaker 4 (01:10:37):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:10:40):
That is and I think that's why we try to
work so hard to not lose. But golf's a game
where you just lose a lot more often than you win.
I mean, that's just a simple, simple part of it.
You know, in basketball or football, when there's only two
guys out there, you can win a lot more than
you lose. But I think I was looking at stats,
it was one of the best tennis players.

Speaker 4 (01:10:57):
It might have been Federer or Djokovic or somebody.

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
They only won like forty eight.

Speaker 6 (01:11:01):
Percent of their points or something like that. I mean,
playing professional sports is a really weird thing to do.
Like it really is just because we put in so
much effort, we work so hard for something that's so fleeting.
I mean, it really is, like the feeling of winning
just doesn't last that long. You know, when I sit

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back at the end of the year, and you know,
I kind of try to reflect on things like having
that sense of accomplishment from winning the Master's Tournament, from
winning the PGA Championship, I have a deep sense of
gratitude and appreciation for it. But it's just hard to
explain how it doesn't It just doesn't satisfy, is how
I would describe it. It's an unsatisfying venture. And so

(01:11:41):
I guess what I'm trying to say is this is
not this is not the place to look for your satisfaction.
This is something that's where you can have a great
appreciation for.

Speaker 4 (01:11:51):
And a great.

Speaker 6 (01:11:55):
Like a great amount of thankfulness for being able to
do this. And it's I mean, like I said, it's
literally one of the most fun things that.

Speaker 4 (01:12:00):
I can do in my entire life.

Speaker 6 (01:12:01):
I love being able to come out here and play
golf and compete.

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
All right, So the first thing that jumps out to
me about that is that you rarely see a professional
athlete that candid. Yeah, and also I think it's really
sad that that he that he feels that way, that
he hasn't that it does that the joy doesn't last
longer than a couple of minutes after winning it. If
that's the real truth, that in fact, like there's euphourik

(01:12:25):
after winning, then within five minutes it's done. I don't
know if I believe that entirely. I'm guessing the days
that follow are pretty cool. But I also think that
when you talk to the people who are the very
best at anything they do, and because of what we do,
we're lucky to talk about those people from time to time,
the ones that that truly maintain it over years, week days, weeks, months, years,

(01:12:48):
sometimes decades are the ones who take the joy in
the process. It's it's the people who as soon as
you it's the Nick Saban, as soon as you win
the national championship, you're on the phone recruiting for the
next one. It's the Tiger Woods winning a major, and
then out on the range after those, the Jordan, the

(01:13:10):
Kobe that that those people I think like the process
and find that as appealing as the winning. And I
don't know that Scotty doesn't feel that way because it
was pretty meandering some of that. But but those are
the two things I took from that.

Speaker 3 (01:13:25):
I also think that there are in many cases with
the greatest of the greats, Yes, there's a joy in
the process, but the winning is expected. There's no celebration
in the winning. You enjoy it, of course, but it's
expected now. I think Michael Jordan, you would say when
you see him like post NBA title, because they get

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more time off. That's the thing. Part of the nature
of golf is there's another tournament.

Speaker 4 (01:13:50):
The next week.

Speaker 3 (01:13:52):
Yeah, it just goes on and on. But I think
the winning is expected. I think it's it's the losing,
the hate of losing, the fear of losing, all of
those things that drives them. They expect they are the best,
so they expect to win. So there isn't as much
joy in winning as there is loathing and losing. I

(01:14:13):
think that's part of it. He also, and what we've
come to know about Tiger on and off the course,
like there was some indulgence. He strikes me as a
very and I could be right. I don't know him
personally at all. Just the persona that he exudes is
business very much between the navigational beacons, not a lot

(01:14:36):
of He's not like a joyous, emotional guy. He's just
kind of like a methodical assassin. He's just really good
at golf. But it doesn't seem like Jack had a
joy to Arnold Palm. They had like some joy and
they're wing Tiger with the emotions with all the thing
comes like, you don't see he's not an emotional guy
like those guys at all. So I think if you're

(01:14:58):
the it's like to get to the high high, you
have to be somewhat emotional like Jordan. I think that's
why celebrations were so big, because he was emotional about it.
And I also think with the NBA, yeah, it ends
and you to talk about Larry Bird then coming and
shooting and whatever, but like there's a significant amount of
time that passed before you're in that kind of major
competition again, whereas his golf now with the Open, And

(01:15:20):
that's why I think he made the point about the
FedEx Cup is that's the next big thing, even though
it's people talk about the majors. That's the four majors,
So it's it's different. You know, this is not the
same at all, So I'm well aware of that. But
it's kind of like in wrestling and a lot of
my friends who you know, have made it to the

(01:15:40):
very biggest levels, you know, the miss main event at
and one at WrestleMania, Like there's a raw the next night,
and then it starts all over again, like what did
I just do? So everything culminations in this one thing
that ends at midnight on a Sunday. There's usually a
party until a few hours into the morning. Although now

(01:16:03):
I think they're gonna be doing this in Vegas every year,
so it changes the timing of it a little bit.
And then the next night you're back on and you're
kicking off a whole new season, basically right your storylines.
So like, yeah, you can savor it and it's cool,
but it's you're right onto the next. I think that
that's part of it with golf, is that you are
right on the next, and golf at that level is

(01:16:26):
such a mental grind that I think, you know, for
some people, the people that we would say who really
like enjoy the game and have those highs and highs
their games are like this, Yeah, you know, he wants
to be like that, and Tiger was like this. Tiger,
it turns out, lived a little bit more wildly off
the course, and we had any idea.

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
I was just going to say, like from your analogy
of Tiger professionally between the beacons, his personal life was
consistently outside of the weacons, ramming into beacons, yeah, you know,
but not known and not known until it was really known,
and then it was you know, it's kind of been
that way since, you know, really very turbulent off off
the field and.

Speaker 3 (01:17:08):
Weird, and then in a weird way over the passing
of time that humanized him and made him like yeah,
more touchable, more touch was certainly more human, more human.

Speaker 2 (01:17:19):
I also think that these when when it because and
I've heard Rory. You know, Rory's had a really rough
summer since winning the Masters. It's been really rough, like
all of it, the pressers, the behavior, all of it.
It's just no one would have thought that he would
have had I did not think when he won the
that I thought it would be a release and it
would be okay, now I can go and he kind

(01:17:40):
of went the other way. He really started lashing out
at a lot of people. You saw this at various tournaments.
The whay he did handle things with the media, so forth,
so on. And I do think that their generation where
and Scott, he's obviously a little younger than Rory, but
in the ballpark, their generation that grew up formative years

(01:18:02):
with social media, with phones, but not to the point
like our kids, who that's all they know, is that
all our kids know is social media, phones, YouTube, everything
on demand. They there's probably in their head a memory
of not social media, not phones, not on demand. They're
old enough that they probably remember that, And so they

(01:18:22):
had to get used to what social media was in
real time. And I don't know what it was like
for you when you first got it, but I was
in the media business when I first got it, and
our news directors are like, you need to post everything,
You need to interact with everybody, because that's what it
was about. Nobody had a clue and they would tell
us to do that. You got to read your mention,
you got to respond to the people that do this.
And then I was in daily radio at the time,

(01:18:43):
this is fifteen years ago, and I'm like, this sucks.
I don't want to read all of this stuff, like
this is brutal, but that's what they told us to do.
And so it took a while for me to break
that habit of like I don't need to read everything
that's written about me or said about me on a platform.
And then you start saying, okay, well fine, but they
kind of did both. And I think you can see

(01:19:05):
the damage in it. I think that you see that.
We see it daily with professional athletes where and I
mean Durant's probably the best example of it. A guy
who is so likable, so beloved, and the choices that
he's made in his career. It's crazy to think that
what's become of his career and he's still an all
time great, best score I've ever seen, but like the
impact that it had on him, We see it with

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our guys.

Speaker 4 (01:19:26):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:19:26):
You know where sometimes they sometimes athletes confuse social media
with actual media. They can't tell the difference. And that's
another just theory I have on this. I think it's
just all ways and I think maybe that's where you
get that answer from Scotty. Maybe that's part of it too.

Speaker 3 (01:19:43):
I'm sure it is and there's a scrutiny to every
swing into every shot and all of that. That, yeah,
is totally different. Now there is a and some people
embrace it.

Speaker 4 (01:19:55):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:19:55):
Bryson d. Chambeau, even though he's on live, has embraced
kind of the social media thing and made himself kind
of a beloved figure in the sport after being kind
of for a long time the pariah in the sport.

Speaker 2 (01:20:09):
That's probably the best example of someone who flipped it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:11):
Yeah and used did of ice social media, even like
my kid's a loving fun guy because he, yeah, now's
on me that five.

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
Years ago, no chance she was team Koepka all the way.
Oh yeah, yeah, here's maybe such a yeah yeah, such
a cred yeah. And he flipped it. So yeah, it's
uh really illuminating though.

Speaker 4 (01:20:32):
So by the way, uh he times are out for
the Open Championship, all right, some of the notables. You're
either going really early in the morning or you're going morning.
From our standpoint, uh, Thursday morning at five am, you
can watch Xander spawn and ram together real quick.

Speaker 3 (01:20:54):
Something happened two minutes ago. The Jets and sauce Gardner
agreed to terms on a massive four year one hundred
and twenty million dollars, making the NFL's highest paid cornerback
thirty point one million dollars per year, sources tell the Insiders.
So they got him and Garrett Wilson.

Speaker 4 (01:21:07):
So I was gonna okay, see, so let's just go
to Wilson and I'll come back to your tea time.

Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
So this is, uh, these guys are in the same
draft or were they one draft apart?

Speaker 3 (01:21:17):
They were apart.

Speaker 2 (01:21:18):
Sauce first and then Garrett.

Speaker 3 (01:21:20):
Garrett was done after his third year.

Speaker 2 (01:21:22):
Yeah, and this is after four Let me.

Speaker 3 (01:21:25):
Confirm, because there was one year though, where they did
have three first round picks. They got that pass rusher Sauces. No,
Sauce was the fourth pick in the twenty twenty two draft,
so maybe they weren't the same.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
So the same draft, they got Garrett Wilson. Sauce Gardner
in the same draft.

Speaker 3 (01:21:43):
Yeah, and he went tenth, and then they had the
pick Johnson. I want to say, is his name? Yeah,
Jermaine Johnson was twenty six. So yeah, they had three
same drafts. So they got Sauce Gardner fourth, Dirt Wilson tenth.
Garret Wilson drafted believe it or not. Now their career
numbers are actually pretty similar. I was drafted after Drake
London in that draft, who went first to the Atlanta Falcons,

(01:22:06):
both of them over three thousand yards receiving.

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
Garrett Wilson doing that with that quarterback poo poo platter
is pretty remarkable. Really smart of the Jets to get
ahead of both of these and not have to not
have to deal with the stuff that they dealt with
your mar chase, Like, just get ahead of it.

Speaker 4 (01:22:25):
Sam structure and length as Garrett Wilson's deal.

Speaker 2 (01:22:27):
Yeah, same four years, one thirty per year. By the way,
Drake Lendon's also dealt with a quarterback platter, Yeah he has.

Speaker 4 (01:22:36):
So as you're tight end there that you were super high.

Speaker 2 (01:22:39):
Pets, Yeah, Pets. It feels like the shift is unfortunately,
feels like it's sailed. Really smart though from them.

Speaker 3 (01:22:47):
And we can stave this for tomorrow. Are you watching
Quarterbacks Season?

Speaker 2 (01:22:50):
I have not started it yet. Oh dude, it's really good.

Speaker 4 (01:22:53):
Great.

Speaker 3 (01:22:54):
Okay Borough is interesting, little quirky, I would say, but
just couldn't be cooler, a nicer guy or everything you
could want. Goff is awesome. Everything that I thought he
would be when I get him so badly back here
in that draft let's say twenty sixteen, he's great, like great, great, yep,

(01:23:23):
so great, and then Kirk Cousins is unbelievable. Now I
haven't got the part where like right now things are
going well for him. Such a normal guy, Yeah, such
a great are great. Gof's wife is great, they have
like a great dynamic, and Cousins families is great. It's

(01:23:44):
it's it's they picked three really good, very likable people.
Now I'm gonna be curious see what happens with Cousins
and Pennix, because I'm sure he's gonna be obviously perturbed
by that. But like he just ripped off. It was
the Thursday night game against UH Tempo. He throws for
like five hundred and nineteen yards, is a walk off
to down An to Cadarrel Hodge uh and was set
in records, And it's pretty cool. It's pretty wild, and

(01:24:06):
it's pretty wild to go watching back the games that
Cincinnati lost to not be in the playoffs, starting obviously.

Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
The first one New England. Yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:24:14):
When they lost by a play to Kansas City in Kansity,
lost by a play to Baltimore.

Speaker 2 (01:24:18):
Should have won that Baltimore game. Yes, yeah, yeah, And
if they win one of them, they get in and
then who knows.

Speaker 3 (01:24:25):
He's good and him and him and Jamar. There's a
lot of him and Jamar. I had his Jamar's family,
and yeah, it's really good.

Speaker 2 (01:24:32):
Like it's yeah, I'm gonna I gotta get into it.
I hadn't hadn't started it yet.

Speaker 3 (01:24:36):
It's funny, deep into it. When we bottles, I throw
it on.

Speaker 2 (01:24:39):
That's nice. Nice, let's see that's where it's good. That's good.
One of the moms came up to me about it
and uh, on the on the cross trip this weekend,
She's like, you watching, I said, I haven't got a
chance yet. She was all over it and was asking
me all these questions. But I said, you know, I
covered Joe in high school, like at Athens Plains High School,
like we covered him. And she said, well, oh my gosh,
what was it. And I'm like, there wasn't anybody on

(01:25:01):
the planet who thought that kid would.

Speaker 3 (01:25:03):
Be this he thought and they talked about this. You know,
his dad was a coach defensive coordinator at I believe
at Ohio.

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
At Ohio. Yeah, his dad played at Nebraska.

Speaker 3 (01:25:13):
He thought he was going to play basketball, like out
of high school. He thought he was going to go
play basketball.

Speaker 2 (01:25:19):
Like while he was in high school. Yeah, yeah, like.

Speaker 3 (01:25:21):
He thought he was going to be a college and
then hopefully a pro basketball player.

Speaker 4 (01:25:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:25):
He was never not no football at that time.

Speaker 4 (01:25:28):
Yeah, he was.

Speaker 2 (01:25:29):
He was always a very good football player. He put
up a lot of stats his senior year. He was incredible. Yeah,
but I think the only major offers he had were
Nebraska and Ohio State. And Ohio State. Herman called Urban.
Tom Herman, who was the office of coordinator time, called
Urban and said, I think I'm standing next to your
next Alex Smith. And Urban's like and they said who

(01:25:49):
he was, and he said, well, if you said think that,
take him. They took him, but they already had Dwayne
Haskins there. And then Burrow got hurt, and he got
hurt during that sea and then Haskins played really good
in relief of j T. Barrett in the Michigan game,
and Joe couldn't ever get back ahead of him because
Urban had it. They loved him, but he had it
in his head. What Haskins and Haskins by the way

(01:26:11):
through for fifty touchdowns his one year as a starter.
He was incredible. Yeah, But then Burrow's only two choices
for transfer because Nebraska didn't want him. Nebraska said no,
So it was between Cincinnati and LSU, and Luke Fickel
was at Cincinnati, and so he had that intellectual you know,
he knew that part of it. LSU was a total gamble,

(01:26:33):
total and they'd never draft, they had never developed a
quarterback ever ever, And he went down there. It was
the biggest like lay it all out on the table,
play bet you could ever make, highest ceiling, lowest floor ever.

Speaker 3 (01:26:47):
Did people know at the time, what like Jefferson and
Chase and.

Speaker 2 (01:26:51):
No, because LSU had always done that, but they never
had quarterbacks lander with what Mettenberger, I mean they never Yeah,
they never had quarterbacks.

Speaker 3 (01:27:00):
That's what kept him.

Speaker 2 (01:27:00):
From and Burrow saw it like he saw it, and
he really wasn't great his first year until the last month,
and then his his senior year he went bonkers. But
it was yeah, yeah, it's a crazy story. But nobody
who was around him in high school or even people
around him early on at Ohio State would have been like, oh, yeah,

(01:27:22):
he's gonna be.

Speaker 3 (01:27:23):
I think that's interesting. One of the things as I
talked about that they touch on it as him and
Chase and what great friends they are and were in college,
how close their families are, and all of that stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:27:34):
That they played that they did play together in college.
That is like that they've been playing together for now
like six years.

Speaker 3 (01:27:40):
And it was funny than one of the practices. He's
talking about one route and he wants how he wants
him to run it, and he says, remember what Jets
did talking about justin Jefferson the way run this route
against somebody in the SEC. He's like, that's how.

Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
I want you And like, oh yeah, okay, all right, yeah,
oh my god, that's crazy to have that much history
all of it. Yeah, all right, there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:27:59):
It was the time.

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
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Speaker 2 (01:28:25):
All Right, give a you have some open championship tea
times for us?

Speaker 4 (01:28:28):
I do I mentioned five am and nine to fifty
am on Friday, Xanderschaffley, Spawn and Rom five nine am
on Thursday, Shane Lowry, Morikawa and Scheffler ten am Thursday,
Speif Ludwig Auburg and Victor Hovelin, Victor get the putter

(01:28:53):
going there, Buddy ten ten am, Rory Justin, Thomas, Tommy Fleetwood.

Speaker 2 (01:29:02):
So they guys play together a lot. Feels like Thomas
and McElroy play together a lot. Yep, there's got to
be another two pairings right around there then, because the
usually do them.

Speaker 4 (01:29:11):
And yeah, they've got they've got all of them here.
I'm just looking for some of the bigger names.

Speaker 2 (01:29:16):
There's got to be one right around the Rory JT.
There's got to be one either Sandwich that or another one.
They usually do it like three great groups consecutively. So
let's see, where's like D'shamba n.

Speaker 4 (01:29:31):
Speed, McElroy's at ten ten.

Speaker 2 (01:29:34):
There you go. So then who's at ten like twenty four?

Speaker 4 (01:29:38):
Harris English, Nick Taylor and Tony Fenow that well you be.

Speaker 2 (01:29:43):
Now you can't say it without, can you. Then there's
got to be one.

Speaker 4 (01:29:50):
Adam Scott, Ricky Fowler at seven O nine.

Speaker 2 (01:29:54):
Where's uh, where's Deshambo?

Speaker 4 (01:29:56):
That's what I'm looking for right now?

Speaker 2 (01:29:58):
Stand by and like Kopka, where are those guys?

Speaker 4 (01:30:01):
At God, you're going early. We're into the three am hour.
Geesh Uh two nineteen am is Mickelson, two o eight
am is Jason Day. I don't see our guys.

Speaker 2 (01:30:21):
The Shambo's definitely where the heck?

Speaker 3 (01:30:27):
We ran out of time for Matt Damon and Bryce
and d Schambell.

Speaker 2 (01:30:33):
Hopefully we'll be uh, we'll have time. I don't say
there he is, he's uh nine forty eight am perfect,
So that's why I said he's right, he's right around speed. Yeah,
you're always going to have those groupings. So it's it's
justin Rose to Shamba and Robert McIntire at forty eight.
So that's where that that's where that comes from. There
you go, all right? Uh We are back tomorrow for

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