Coach Stefanski Breaks Down the Offseason - Cleveland Browns Daily - 6.12.25

On the final day of minicamp, HC Kevin Stefanski (:38) and the radio voice of the Browns Andrew Siciliano (20:51) join the show to break down the week and the entire offseason. Hear from WR Diontae Johnson (52:53) and get your questions answered in today's Mailbag (1:19:52).

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Coming to you live from the Cross Country Mortgage Campus
in Barrie, Ohio. This is Cleveland Brown's Daily, presented by
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Brown's on eight fifty ESPN Cleveland. You are your hosts,
Bo Bishop and Nathan Zegura.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
I let's you live on a Thursday edition to Cleaveland
Brown's Daily. I am merely bow the great Kevin Stefanski
to my left and Z's seat. Good to see you, buddy, Seed.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
That's his seat.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Yeah, I'm keeping it warm from keeping it warm well
and he's going to need that a little bit.

Speaker 4 (00:48):
Good to see you, man, to see with you guys.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
Funny, I had a as I'm walking in today, I
see like the cars lined up and guys going to
cars and you've seen days and confused.

Speaker 4 (00:58):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
It was a little bit like that, Like every it's
the engines are running.

Speaker 4 (01:02):
Yeah, it's getaway day in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
I imagine you liked the football coaching that like yelling
at Randall Pink Floyd about make sure you get your
head in your notebook and all of that.

Speaker 4 (01:10):
There were a lot of make sure for me this morning,
make sure you do this make sure you do that.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
I think for fans, you think of the NFL season
as training camp through the super Bowl, and then you know,
we have these moments. You got the draft, you get
free agency combine where the folks are locked into it.
But in terms of the work of it, that's it.
You guys have been at work here for a while. Now,
did you get done what you wanted to get done?

Speaker 3 (01:34):
We did.

Speaker 4 (01:34):
Yeah, I'll tell you what. I was very impressed, have
been impressed with this group of guys. They're working like crazy,
whether it's what we're doing in the weight room with them,
what we're doing the meeting rooms out on the field.
I have not gotten pushback from anybody. I mean, it's
a really good group. And listen, every single year, as
we all know, these teams are different. Twenty twenty five
teams totally different than the team before. Of course there's

(01:56):
guys that are a part of both. But yeah, these
guys are they understand the work that needs to put
in and man, it's been impressive to.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Watch every single guy that we've had come through here
who's a veteran, has without any any sort of differing,
talked about the different tone that they've noticed here. How
conscious were you about making that? And what is that
for the fans? What does that mean when when they
say that.

Speaker 4 (02:23):
Well, I mean we won three games last year, so
you better have a different tone. Is the way I
look at it. And you know, you come off of
last year and you reflect and you think about things
that we absolutely have to do differently, and ultimately it
starts right with me. And there are things that I
have to provide this football team, and and that can
be in schematic ways, that can be in ways we
do things who we asked to do what It's really

(02:45):
all the above. So I hope it feels different better
because we understand what's in front of us.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
You're laying building blocks now for next season. Those building
you got that. Hopefully the foundation has been laid and
then you'll build upon it when you get to training camp.
Obviously much has been made and talked about about what
you're offensively getting back to what you're maybe most comfortable in.
But at the same time you're going to take different
parts of everything as you've gone about reinstalling or getting
back to that. How much is it different than what

(03:13):
we were doing two years ago? And what did you
borrow and I know you're somebody who's always evolving.

Speaker 4 (03:18):
Yeah, well, if you're not evolving, you're dead in this
league because the defensive coaches, the defensive players are too
good to just stay the same and continue to do
it one way. I mean all the great schemes. I
don't care offense or defense that you evolve every single year.
Sometimes you evolve in season and you can see and
sometimes it's easy to perceive it. Sometimes it's not. But

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there are definitely things that we will do more of.
There are definitely things will do less of. But to
say that we're just going back and dusting off a
playbook and saying, hey, let's run this, I just don't
think that works in this league. So we're very, very
fortunate to have a group of offensive coaches that worked
very hard in putting a system together, because ultimately it
comes down to putting together other a sound system that

(04:02):
has breadth to it so that depending on your players,
you can, you know, move into different directions. And I
think that's the charge that we have, is to maximize
the our players and our key players in what we're doing.
So that's what we've tried to do this offseason. Now
you don't know exactly what that's going to look like
come training camp, but you at least want to install
a system teach the guys a system that has the

(04:24):
ability to pivot into a bunch of different areas.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
How much of a shot in the arm was it
to have this many rookies. I've never seen a rookie
mini camp like the one you guys had a couple
of weeks ago, but we had like sixty guys here.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
Yeah, that's it's interesting. That's how it used to be
done in the NFL used to have really an open
tryout quote unquote, and you had a lot of guys
that were local players. You'd have, you know, as many
D three one double A kids locally that could drive,
just so that you could field a full football team.
So you'd have your draft picks, your undrafted draft picks

(04:55):
or shooting your undrafted guys, and then a bunch of
tryout guys. And I've said the before, but Adam Filn
was a tryout guy for US. We signed him from
man Cato State University for the weekend. He impressed, and
guess what, he's still doing it. So there are guys
that impressed in that weekend for us and are still here.
So we really liked that experience of having a full

(05:17):
boat of practice. We had seven on seven in team
and it just gave us an opportunity to really evaluate
more players.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
Very unique this camp too, and this OTA is this
mini camp too. With the fact that you have the
four quarterbacks in there and you're going through those reps
and you're running through all of that, when did you
guys start thinking about the plan for this? Obviously I
think you knew and I think Ab said this, He
said this last night at event. I was at with
him last night about how, look, we knew we're gonna
have a rookie quarterback and probably think we're Gonti're gonna
have two and you're gonna have one, and so reps

(05:47):
are so critical. This isn't nineteen seventy eight Bear Bryant
six hour practices. So like you guys got a short
amount of time to get a lot done, When did
you start kind of architecting out that plan.

Speaker 4 (05:57):
Yeah, it's a good question. I think gown back to
the spring, knowing you're gonna have a young quarterback, how
do you maximize those reps? And like you said, it's
not Bear Bryant. You can't practice. There are limits to
the amount of time you can be out there. So
tried to get creative. Having Tommy Reese on staff coming
from college recently, Mike Bloomgrin on staff coming from college recently.

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These college rosters are one hundred players plus, so that
the two spot quote unquote that thing, the two spot
where you have the same plays being run on simultaneously
on different fields. That's nothing new for college. It's harder
to pull off in the pros just on the roster limitations,
but not obviously not impossible. So we just tried to
be real smart about how we did that. What you

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don't want to do is have you two practices going
on one hundred plays and asking your guys to run,
you know, down the field fifty yards each time. Then
you're gonna have costs and now there's gonna be injuries.
And I thought the way it was designed, and I
think Tommy and the offensive staff, and certainly Gym and
the defensive staff were really creative about how they got
their work done.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Tommy with the two rookies, he just as out of
that world a couple of years ago. I had to
imagine that that was right up his wheelhouse.

Speaker 4 (07:07):
It is. You know, I think Tommy played the position
in college, has coached it as a great comfort level
in that you have coach Musgrave who played the position
in college, played in the pros, has been a coordinator.
So you have those two guys in that quarterback room
to provide great counsel and our guys that have done
it at a high level. And certainly when you have

(07:28):
young players that you're trying to develop and teach that
there's just no shortage of knowledge that can come from
the room, whether it be from the veterans in the
room or the coach is in the room.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
The sliding scale that you use at that position, because
obviously what you're asking the young guys to do is
a little different than what you know. For example, Joe
can do so, and yet the reps are the reps
and their finite How do you, as you guys go
to make this decision by the time you get to camp,
how do you create sameness throughout for all four of them?

(08:00):
If you know what I'm getting at there, so that
you have a true litmus test.

Speaker 4 (08:03):
Yeah, I think that's something we talked a lot about
prior to putting together the plan, and obviously there's that
old saying you treat everybody fairly but not the same.
It's related to that, you know, you know that there's
guys that need to get X number of reps, there's
guys that don't. I mean, Joe is you know, forty
years old, has seen a lot of football, has played
a lot of football. He does not need as many

(08:24):
reps as the young guys do. So tried to be
smart where we can still give Joe an opportunity to
get better, an opportunity to be evaluated, while also maybe
shifting a few of those reps to the younger guys
and then mixing it up throughout. You know, we had
multiple guys in there at multiple spots, and that's kind
of the way we've looked at doing business here the

(08:44):
last three weeks with nine practices where we just want
to see a lot of these guys in a bunch
of different situations.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
Talk about the two young guys quickly here. Dylan, Yes,
it was yesterday. He's a play action wizard man. He's
really smooth with the ball. He high it well, he
rolls out well, he throws on the run well. And
then we had a chance to talking him at the
golf out and you see what made you guys fall
in love with him the way that you did in
the draft. How has it been for him over the
last month.

Speaker 4 (09:10):
Yeah, I think the play action pieces is a good
observation bow where he's got really great ability to ball handle,
to put the ball out on a play action when
it when it looks like the run pulls it back,
it's the pass there. There's there's a lot of skill
to that. Now, he's been coached really well in college
and I give him credit and his coaches credit for that,
but there's a lot of nuance to that play action

(09:32):
game and and he's trying to master it, and he's putting,
putting in the work. And yeah, he's a he's a
young player still coming along. You know, he's a he's
played a lot of football and that's true, but this
NFL game there's things that are different and and he's
really going to school. I mean, at times we call
this quarterback school. There's a curriculum to this and how
we bring a young player along, and there's no short

(09:53):
there's no short way to do it. I wish I
could press a button and say, hey, you guys got this,
and that's just doesn't exist in this game. It's just
a lot of meetings, a lot of practice, and then
a lot of film to teach off of. And the
beauty of it is our quarterbacks are learning from every
rep even if they're not getting the rep. So if
you're in there, great, you got the rep. You got
it physically in the moment, you can make those corrections

(10:17):
in your brain with that penny and processor. If you
didn't get the rep, you can sit in the meeting
room and you can kind of put yourself in the
shoes of the other player and get that rep mentally.
So we've done a lot of that over the last
few weeks.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Just an anecdote for our audience, Dylan joined Nathan and
I at the golf outing for He just kind of
came on set. We were doing the show live and
he just came on and we didn't really introduce or anything.
You just start talking. He was great, very natural. I
saw him last night at the event with AB and
he came up and I didn't even introduce myself to him,
there was none of that, and he said, good to
see again, mister Bishop like and I thought, you don't
need I'm a radio. You don't need to know who
I am. But like the fact that that those little things,

(10:49):
and I've heard that throughout the building, that those type
of things, that's a pattern of behavior for him, that
it's very consistent.

Speaker 4 (10:55):
Yeah, I think you know, we talked. Everybody talked about it.
We talked about it. Certainly, when you're at three schools,
you have to assimilate yourself to those three places. You
got to get to know everybody, or most I think
a lot of us can think of that first day
at school, whether it's in high school or at college,
you're meeting new people. You got to get to know
your your your classmates. Well, same idea, you got to
get to know your teammates. And he did that really

(11:15):
at three different stops. And yeah, it's very interesting. And
I'm sure you we've talked about this. Is in the
old days, if somebody transferred twice, you'd be like, oh,
what's wrong, what happened? And now guys are transferring for
some pretty good reasons. I can't get mad at him.
And that could be if a coach is leaving, it
could be for an opportunity. So what that then allows

(11:36):
you to do is it allows you to go through
that process of getting to know your teammates, getting to
know a system, et cetera, et cetera. So I think
there's great, great value in that. So that that does
not surprise me, mister Bishop, I feel old, I know,
but that's too much shudre.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
You guys get to know him very well in the process.
You've got to know him a lot better here in
the last month, obviously, when you are who he is
and ever. But he knows who you are and has
known who you are since you were probably fifteen sixteen.
There's something to that. But his teammates gravitate to him
quite a bit. What have you learned about him over
the last month.

Speaker 4 (12:10):
I don't know that we've learned anything new because, like
you mentioned, but I feel like we have a great
feel for this young man. He's a very very hard worker.
He has fun when he's in the building. I'm enjoying
watching him progress with every single meeting, with every single rep.
He's doing a great job. And I think as a
young player, I don't care what position you're playing, you're

(12:31):
gonna run a play or you're gonna get something wrong.
That's so valuable because then you get to correct it,
get it right the next time. And he's doing a
really really nice job. I think he's showing up early,
he's staying late, and he continues to get better every
single day. And that's the fun part. But just having
him in the meeting room brings a great personality in there.
It's fun to have I sit right behind him. Joe

(12:54):
is to my left, to Shador's left, and to see
those two bounced ideas off of each other is hilarious.
You know, Joe will say a few things and and
I'll be like, Joe, Chador wasn't born. He wasn't born then.
So it's just he's got great energy, great kid, working
his tail off, and he's playing really well too.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
I told the Terry Alliance there's a great story in
Yahoo dot com for our audience that tells kind of
the story about how this quarterback. Because it's really a
great room. They're very supportive. There's an instance yesterday with
Sure and Joe like going over something and Joe kind
of mimicking this is what I do on this Like
those type of things are are happening every day here.
It's really cool how it's all kind of come together
and worked.

Speaker 4 (13:34):
Yeah, I've been so lucky in my career to be
in some really awesome rooms, and this one's up there.
Just with these guys pushing each other but supporting each other,
having the diversity of thought, experience, just all the above
has been great. And listen, this is we all take

(13:54):
this job very seriously. We want to win, we want
to work our tails off, but these guys also want
to have fun, and they do have fun in that room,
and I think it's a credit to all those personalities.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
I know you're not going to give me a straight
answer on this, but in your head, I allow them
to try to ask it in a way to see
if we can get a little bit of an answer
in your head. Do you have like a date where
you're like, by then we need to have this kind
of locked in in terms of pecking order starter all that.

Speaker 4 (14:19):
Yeah, I think that's fair. Obviously, we've approached this offseason
with a different mindset where we're trying to be very
much in evaluation mode and see different guys. I think
once you get back to training camp, it evolves as
in terms of what your mentality is once you're trying
to accomplish. So there are dates that I kind of
have placeholders and where we're going to make some decisions,

(14:40):
certainly get into some of the games. I mean, the
fun part is we get three games to get live
reps with these guys, and that's also something that's hard
to replicate in practice. We'll have a practice versus Carolina,
we'll have two practices versus Philly. Those will be valuable
as well, but there's definitely the idea that our mentality
will change once we get to a certain.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
Point in July on when you when you talk about
those those joint practices, has the groundwork been laid in
terms because those reps are so valuable, did you lay
groundwork for that in terms of that position over the
last couple of.

Speaker 4 (15:12):
Weeks we have and that was something really with Carolina
with coach Canalis, With Philly with coach Sirianni. We've had
conversations going back months ago that in terms of the
structure of practice. So it'll be great work for both
sides and certainly, again it goes back to the previous question,
we'd love to be out there for three four hours. Yeah,

(15:35):
Unfortunately we're not allowed to, but we'll get plenty of
good work with those guys over those two weeks.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
You guys have a big night tonight. This is this
is year two. Incredible success last night Night out by
the Lake. Of course, the Keepers Foundation, your foundation that
you started, it was a stunning success last year. What
will what will folks? Obviously it's it's already locked in
terms of folks going there tonight, but there are some
online stuff too give What exactly do we have in
store for us tonight?

Speaker 4 (16:01):
Coach Well, bo, I think we're excited. Just year two,
this has been a fun experience for us to have
an opportunity to give back to this community. I've told
you guys this before. We've been My family and myself
have been treated so well by this community. This is
such a great Northeast Ohio in this community in general,
just they're constantly looking to give back and that's something
that is near and dear to my heart, to my

(16:23):
family's heart. You know, in this organization, the work that
d and Jimmy do in the community is unbelievable. So
there's a great model of how to do that. So
this is your two for our Keepers Foundation. We have
our really our night out tonight, which is a big
event and Nathan's coming out of a paternity to leave
to join us sleep.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
From what I've been told, give him a shot of adrenaline, coach.

Speaker 4 (16:43):
That's a good idea. But it's gonna be a fun
night with a bunch of players down there. Food, drink, live, auction.
The silent auction is available to anybody, so you can
go on right now check it out. You can go
through Brown's social I believe there's some links out there,
Keepers Foundation dot organ Well, there's some really unique silent
auction items that we better work fast if you want

(17:05):
to get your hands on some of those.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
So just an idea. These are all. These are some
of the notes I have for silent auctions. Step in
the huddle VIP experience. That's a win. I do have
one question on the football the fairway so okay, up
to six people eighteen holes. On the Browns golf, we
have a simulator here, golf simulator in here. How did
Zegura get in on that?

Speaker 4 (17:27):
Well, How'deur get it? Here's how we got in on that.
I played in the charity golf album and Nathan was
kind enough to join us for a par four that
he drove the green. That's right, and so I said,
all right, Nathan, you're you're definitely part of this opportunity.
So that one in particular is a fun one and
just for our fans. When we put in the new

(17:47):
performance center, if you will here in Bourria, which is unbelievable,
you'll get a tour of that. But they also were
smart enough to put in a golf simulator, which I
didn't see until the season ended. I promise, okay, it
was really close my office. I was never in there,
but then the season ended, and I cannot tell you
how many players go in there in the off season.
Joel Botonio came back for whatever year this is for him.

(18:10):
I don't know the number, but there's a percentage that
it was because of the golf simulator. He was here
on Saturdays. I'd go in there. I'd come in go
for a workout. I peek my head in there, and
he's in there, typically with Wyatt Tyler, Jack Conklin, and
what they do is that they're playing on the golf
simulator and they all have their kids, their little kids
up against the TV watching Bluey and there's goldfish everywhere.

(18:33):
And basically it was a way like hey, honey, I'll
take the kids, set the kids up on the TV.
They go play eighteen at god knows where. So that's
the world famous golf simulator here in Burria. So check
it out online. You and I believe six total people
come join Nathan and I to play some golf on
the simulator.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
You got a chef's table at Fahrenheit as well that
you'll be auctioned after.

Speaker 4 (18:54):
Chef Rocco will be there tonight, which is.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
Awesome guardians experience too with batting practice and VIP tickets. Coach,
we kind of led this off talking about schools out
for the summer. How critical is it for these guys
to unpluge and recharge and then for you too, And yeah,
I'm guessing you have some plans for that this summer
as well. They're confidential, Yeah, keep them that way.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (19:14):
So I told the team this morning it's forty days away,
and that's very standard across the leag You kind of
get forty days and it seems like a long time.
It also seems like a short amount of time. But
my message to the guys today is just charge that
battery up because you're gonna need it, and you're gonna
need it because this season comes at you fast, and
it's seventeen games plus it's three games in the preseason.

(19:35):
If you earn those three or four games at the end,
I mean, this is a long season. I think it's
two hundred and one days long. So you have to
charge a battery up. And that's not just physically, it
is mentally. So all our guys will kind of get
away from it for a minute, but then they'll get
back into training and get ready to hit the ground running.
Comes July.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
Coach, it's great to see you. Good luck at the
event tonight and enjoy your summer, buddy. You deserve it,
appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
Bo Thanks.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
All right, there you go. Your head coach Kevin Spans
joining us in studio off the top of the show
play by play voice, You're Cleveland Browns Andrew Sicilian, I'm
going to join us. Next we'll have some copious notes
on fall final mini camp practice of the summer that
is coming up nextualist to Cleveland Browns Daily on a
fifty ESPN Cleveland.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
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Speaker 2 (20:51):
All right, welcome back in Cleveland. Browns Daily eight fifty
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He's the great Andrew Siciliano. How are you, buddy, Good day, sir.
Tough fact to follow there. Good stuff from Coach.

Speaker 5 (21:02):
I did it.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
It was a good job out of me. Yeah, well done,
very well done. How you doing.

Speaker 6 (21:09):
I'm okay. School's out for summer, man.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
That's what it reminded me of. Why it was out
there with his family and it's just cars stacked up
and guys going to cars and we're driving and we're leaving.
We're packed and we're gone, and it reminded me of
dazed and confused of like everyone running out and then
coach saying, hey, don't forget your playbook Randall pink Floyd. Yeah,
like that type of thing.

Speaker 6 (21:27):
Well, I'm going to have the boxes down there too,
like dropping playbooks off on the way out. Yeah. Talked
to Brandon Lynch. I don't know, we're going to run
that later or some of the time. But his son
was here because school's out for him, his fourteen year
old boys here actually think it's one of my We
had alumni down there as well. One of my and
I know you probably feel this with your boys, is

(21:48):
that the idea that you can open the door and
have them experience things that, oh, you and I never experience. Yes, right,
like I don't. We're not jaded, but like we've in here,
we've done this, we're thankful, we're grateful that this is
our job. But to me, like my heart feels full
when I can open the door to the family, right

(22:08):
and so to see people bring their family it is
the last day of school, but the intensity was still
good to me, that's the best part.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
I think as a quick offset offshoot, I think I
am very guilty of not doing that enough with mine.
I find that I find myself in circumstances of like, God,
I should have just brought the boys to this. Yeah,
this was so easy for them to do. But you're right,
we you and I got into this for a reason
because we were because we were those kids, and we
loved it, and we loved it. And I wasn't going

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to play short stop for the Dodgers or point guard.

Speaker 6 (22:37):
And I was never going to play a second base.

Speaker 4 (22:38):
For the tribe.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
So then it's like, well, what's the next best thing
well we'll talk about it. That sounds great. And so
with that, I mean, this does because it's just a
it is just a it's a really cool but just
a job for us. And sometimes there are surreal things
that happen. I'm like, I should be better about.

Speaker 6 (22:52):
That, and you know what, actually, yeah, because Kevin was here,
I'll pull the curtain back. Last year, we were in Washington,
that's where my brother and his kids are and it
was the game against the Commanders. That day was my
nephew's tenth birthday. Nice, so got them down on the field.
That was cool. But the night before he came to
the hotel, I do the interview with coach, so my

(23:13):
nephew sat in on that. Kevin was beyond amazing to him.
He interviewed my nephew more than I interviewed him. That
was fantastic. He gets to meet guys in the lobby
on the way back to the garage, coming right with
his dad, my brother. Like those moments, like to see
the look on his face, and again to see how
cool Kevin was with yes, he's got a boy that

(23:34):
age right, Like, that's that's awesome.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
That's why we do.

Speaker 4 (23:37):
This, that's why.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
Yeah, absolutely, and it's why all of you love it.
It's because it is escape as a truly is that.
And every once in a while you get you get
a run into some of your heroes in person when
it when it works out. This was the last one.
The first two I think had a little bit of
a different tone to it. Yeah, and what was today
like from what you took.

Speaker 6 (23:54):
In today was a little bit shorter. But I think
it was good to see guys like said Tillman and
Michael Woods on the field. We had seen them in
the two previous days of the mandatory media camp, so
they got some work in. That was good. Flacco got
some more reps one day after saying he was like
some more reps. I'm not suggesting that was a result
of his presser yesterday, but good to see him sling
it a little bit as well. I don't want to

(24:15):
say disappointing. I look the assembled media that is there
with their phones out, myself included on trying to get
the rookie quarterback videos. You didn't see a lot of
Chador today. I don't know that he saw his first
snap until maybe fifteen minutes were left in the session. However,
he did get a two minute drive. He did get
some work in.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
He did.

Speaker 6 (24:32):
There's one posted now on brown Social the nice ball
to the sideline to Trade McKitty. Can he pick it
through a touchdown to Trey McKitty, the former charger in
the back of the end zone as well. Just good
chance for some final impressions, I thought my takeaways. We
got to hear from Mike Lungren today for the very
first time. You know, remember Joe Batonio in Westwood Country,

(24:55):
so last week called him not a jerk but another
word same amount of letters, begins with a D. Also,
we'll forget it. You get my point, ye, he said, Yeah,
I've been called worse and actually that's one of the
more endearing ones. So like, I like that. And he
he didn't push back against dewand saying that, you know,

(25:17):
it's really different to play left tackle, but he did
say from a skill set, I think it's the same position.
Like there are intricacies and there are nuances that we
have to coach him up on. But he was positive
on him. Zack Snyner is getting stronger positive on Luke Whippler.
But just to hear and really to see the smile

(25:37):
on his face. We hadn't heard from Bloomgreen since he
got here. The joy and I know you know this
talking college football so much and two college football coaches
to kind of get away from leading a program and
constantly recruiting and fundraising and to get back to coaching
and to see the joy that it's bringing him and

(26:00):
you hear it from the players as well. I'm excited
about that O line room and the run game. I
think like excited, excited.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
Yeah, And you could even with Kevin, Look, this is
his type of team. We've got a bunch of We've
got really good tight ends, We've got a group of
really good backs. You got an offensive line that, if
everybody can stay healthy, is formidable, and you've got quarterbacks
who are really comfortable. Especially you know at what we

(26:29):
I think it would be and this is my words,
not scores or anything, it'd be quite stunning if one
of the rookies started the season based on week one. Yeah, yeah,
I mean I think that's a very They'd have to
really have an unbelievable training camp to be able to
do that. And I think the schedule too, I mean,
the schedule is even if you loved one of them,
that's really throwing them off the deep end without a
life preserver of those first six games. So if you

(26:51):
do want to see them play, I assume at some point,
but it's it's likely going to be Kenny or Joe
one of those guys to start this year, and that's
the way it's going to go. So yeah, I think
all of those things that there is a timeline for
all of these things to work themselves out. But I
think the one thing all of those quarterbacks do, to
bring it back to your offensive line conversation, is they're

(27:12):
all very adept in the play action game. They're all
they're very good ball handlers. They're very good on the run,
They're very good out of structure. When things are broken,
they can make things happen, especially the three younger guys.
It's a lot of the stuff that Kevin wants a
quarterback to be.

Speaker 6 (27:25):
Yeah, and I think the run look the it's really
we heard from Bloomgren and Douce Daley today. There's so
much focus on the quarterbacks. Yes, but if they're not
able to run the ball, if they're not able to
get back to that old run game, then the quarterback
play it's not irrelevant quite the opposite. No, but you're
going to put so much more on those guys shoulders here.
I thought it was telling when duce first question to

(27:48):
Duce was had a quinn chommug good and he said
all the right things and that I didn't hear the
exact follow up because there were actually two podiums going
at once, chad O'she was on the other podium talking
wide receivers. But the answer from Duce is what stuck
with me. I think the question was something about, like,
I don't know some kind of conclusions from Mini camp,
and he said, we have Pajamason. I'm not gonna I
love that inqus with Pajamason, I'm paraphrasing I'll call you

(28:10):
or like, ask me again when we're actually wearing armor.
And I think that needs to be remembered not only
for his room, but for every.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
Position group at the end of Mini caamp well, and
most especially for the one that we talk about the most. Yeah,
that's the thing that's tricky about this is there is
no he used the word armor, Fine, there are no.
It's not pads. It's for for these young guys though,
And I think this was what was so critical for
Dylan and Q especially in the backfield. Avister Jerome's been here,
but we're redoing a new, a new old offense. It's

(28:42):
it's where so that when you get here in July
you don't have to You already have the base. It's built,
The foundation is built. You should know what you're doing.
This is install, it's install, and if you aced it,
then July is a much easier proposition. And it to
your point, it's critical that we run the ball effectively.

(29:03):
It is critical that David Njoku and Harold Fannin create
mismatches down the field off of play action. Jerry Judy
goes without saying it was good to have Cedric Tillman
was in the mix. You know that was that was
notable today as well, because you're and you and I
talked about this earlier in the week. I do think
running back or receiver rather you probably want You're gonna

(29:24):
be looking to see if there's anybody available this Ye's
gonna be looking.

Speaker 6 (29:26):
I don't know if that happens right now. I don't
think that might be a let's get us to training
camp and see how the first week goes. Yeah, just
projecting from what other teams have done in the past.
I don't know. Listen, Deantey Johnson is a lottery ticket.
He had a nice catch on the sideline today. Bron
Social posted that one so that I went up close. Yeah,
the guy's got it. And I went down to Deontay
Johnson rabbit hole and YouTube last night in my hotel room.

(29:47):
And you're like, yeah, look last night, I'm not talking
steeler Deontay Johnson. No, No, he made plays last year.
He was up to a great starting Carolina like, and
Andy Dalton got in there and started ripping it downfield like.
He showed up yep, and he made plays. If you
could get that guy at a bargain basement price, and
he said, yesterday, no one else called yep. There's a

(30:07):
reason nobody else called. Yeah, but nobody else called. So
if you can get him, and then let let's let's
stress this as well. If he's not going to rock
the boat the entire season, let's put it nicely, right.
I mean, that's a find. But do you need somebody else?

Speaker 2 (30:26):
I think you do regardless, but I think you need
to backstop that. That's what I think. Yeah, And I
you never know how someone is going to respond to
being punched in the face a last chance, Sure, same thing, right,
How are you going to respond when the rest of
the league tells you, yeah, we don't need you, and
you know that you're still in the prime of your

(30:46):
athletic career. You're not that far removed from being a
big time weapon and even last year, to your point
at the beginning of the year is very good in Carolina.
Are is he going to And we don't know him
well enough, so I don't know the answer to this.
We won't know until you get to September, August and September,
But like, is he somebody that way? Do you get
a load of me? Or is it the defiance, because

(31:07):
that will be that's gonna be the.

Speaker 6 (31:09):
Key to that point. The one time he Deontay Johnson
that has cracked a smile yesterday on the podium was
when he was asked about the possibility of facing the
Steelers and the Ravens four times.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
Yeah, and he cracked.

Speaker 6 (31:22):
He cracked a smile, and it wasn't looking forward to
it. It is yes, yep, yeah, okay, So that's yeah, So.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
There's no doubt. There you go, and that's not nothing.

Speaker 6 (31:34):
Let's see if that plays off. We'll see, right, what
is it today?

Speaker 5 (31:37):
It's June.

Speaker 6 (31:38):
It's June twelfth.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Did you you were listening as we talked to coach
here off off the top, and I knew that he
wouldn't give me a timeline in terms of when he
wants to have a guy, But he did say that
the work done this month will go a great deal
into how they divvy up those reps in those joint
practices and all of that. That essentially what I've been
saying along that all the pieces matter, all of these

(32:00):
reps matter. It's all been very well thought out in
your head, and this is reckless speculation. When do you
think they need to narrow this thing down?

Speaker 6 (32:11):
I'd like to know before the last preseason game, But
you also would like the last preseason game to mean something,
and I know it will. Because quarterback is not the
only position here in which there is competition. You certainly
want to know coming at it that game. I think
the thing that I'm most curious about is, and this
kind of goes to what we've seen here in the
offseason program, is where do those reps come in the

(32:33):
games for the rookie quarterbacks? So obviously everyone hears, ah, well,
Dylan's with the ones and the twos, and shad Or
is not. Really he's not getting enough of those reps.
How does that go come game time? Now, part of
that is you need to earn those reps during training
gam They are not gifted to you in the three
preseason games. But there is gonna come a day, a

(32:54):
Sunday or a Monday after a game at the preseason
would be a Sunday after the game in which you go, okay,
well Gabriel did this or should or did this in
the first quarter against maybe the twos for the Eagles
or the Panthers or the Rams. Rams it will be
the threes and the fours.

Speaker 4 (33:09):
And the fives.

Speaker 6 (33:10):
But like the other guy did this in the fourth quarter,
and is that the same as what we saw in
the first quarter. I would hope they would mix it up.
Let's say Gabriel plays in the first quarter in one
game and then Shardor plays in the first quarter in
the next. But you've got to earn those because there
is contexts that will have to be applied to the

(33:30):
preseason reps as well.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
That speaks to the question I asked him about, how
do you create a common bass layer to judge all
of those great question, because so he has to reverse
engineer that in the practice layout. I'm sorry, not reverse it.
He needs to engineer it in the way that they
set up practice to try to create a constant to

(33:57):
judge them all from. And it's very difficult with four
people in limited time to do so that's why, that's
why I keep coming back to there. There isn't There
aren't enough reps for you to waste one with four guys, correct.

Speaker 6 (34:09):
You could do that, yeah, during during mini camp, I
would say waste Yeah, but like as we said, it's
less signanavagant for Joe.

Speaker 4 (34:17):
Yes.

Speaker 6 (34:17):
If if I had to bet right now, I'm not
a betting man. I think it's one of the two
veterans weakue one like you just said. But one of
the two rookies could totally totally go out there and
win the job. But it would have to be a knockout.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
That's what I don't We agree, Oh, I think it's
got to be. Yeah, And I think honestly, buddy, I
think it has to happen almost right away and right away.

Speaker 6 (34:39):
But if it isn't a knockout, yeah, Okay, And one
is a good day, one is a bad day.

Speaker 4 (34:44):
Whatever.

Speaker 6 (34:46):
Then do you go to Picket if he and Flacco,
or even what if Flacco and Picket.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
Or even well, then I think you go. I think
you go pick it.

Speaker 6 (34:56):
And is Flacco even gonna take a step in the preseason?
Would you?

Speaker 2 (35:01):
I wouldn't if I were. Based on his comments yesterday,
I think he would want to.

Speaker 6 (35:05):
He said, yeah, that was the implication.

Speaker 4 (35:07):
That I think he wants more.

Speaker 6 (35:09):
I don't know that I need to see him in
the preseason.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
No, no, probably not. You probably don't. But if you
don't see him in the this is why I think
the fourth thing gets is going to have to get
sorted out pretty quickly, because it's not I think you're right.
I don't need nobody needs to know who the starter
is until the final preseason game somewhere on there.

Speaker 6 (35:28):
And he's probably not gonna announce it until Wednesday of
Week one, of course, of course, which I knew he
wouldn't give me an answer, but nor should he.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
He shouldn't do that. But I do think that they
have to have it pared down much, yes, much sooner
than that.

Speaker 6 (35:42):
What Flacco does in the joint practices, I'm fascinated to
see because I know he's going to get good work
in those.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
Those are critical. So then also who gets those reps
in the joint practices? How many of those do you
spread around? How many quarterbacks you're gonna have moreultiple fields?

Speaker 6 (36:00):
Sure so? And against whom are those reps?

Speaker 2 (36:06):
Right?

Speaker 6 (36:07):
Listen, most coaches will tell you these days that the
preseason is eventually going to go away or maybe it
gets down to one game, that they get more work
done in joint practices than they ever get done in
the preseason. The preseason is for the rookies, the third
the fourth string guys that they go there ones on
ones and they get their work done, they get their

(36:27):
installed like they actually put the stuff in. They don't
want people to see. I know at NFL Network for years,
we wouldn't want to show these joint practices. Some of
the coaches would say, all right, you could show stretch,
you could show one on ones before the joint practices,
but when we're doing eleven on eleven, we don't want
you to shoot that stuff because that's actually that's maybe
not our week one game plan, don't get me wrong,
but that's the real work that we want to get

(36:49):
in so do not and I know you're not. The
Carolina Philadelphia joint practices to me are the most important
three days of this training camp.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
There is no doubt they are. That's why when it
so like, that's why you're doing too just what I would.
This is what I'm gonna be looking for when when
we get to that point, and this is what's going
to be very fun, because this is why I think
they have to have this thing narrowed down much sooner.
Not necessarily started, but like between these two or hey,
these two and a third, you gotta have that sorted
out by those because I want to like, where's j C. Horn,

(37:20):
Who's who's throwing against him?

Speaker 5 (37:21):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
That's what I want to know when we get to Carolina.
Those choices and and who gets the privilege of having
those reps. That's the critical work.

Speaker 6 (37:31):
And when you're in Philadelphia and you're a rookie quarterback
and you're backing away from center and you're extending that
ball to play fake and you're turning around and it's
Jordan Davis and Jalen Carter coming at you as opposed
to an undrafted rookie on another field, who's trying to
make the team. There's a big difference there.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
Yeah, beyond quarterback, and obviously it's you can't really go
beyond it because it's it's forever there. It's one of
those things that you're gonna talk about till you have.

Speaker 6 (37:58):
One of the top five biggest stories in the NFL.
Whether it should be or not is a different question,
but it is. And that's just a fact.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
I think it probably should be two because you and
I have talked about this. Ze and I have talked
about this, I've talked to other folks about it. Nobody
can recall a situation quite like this with four not
like this, not quite like this. And the other thing
is and brock Perdy came out of nowhere. He was
the last pick in the draft. This is Dylan Gabriel
and Shaudur Sanders. I mean, Dylan Gabriel is as successful

(38:27):
as any college quarterback. He's on the shortest list of
the last twenty five years in terms of what was
accomplished in the abounty one, statistical accumulation, all of it.
And Shadur Sanders has been a household name for most
of his life. So this isn't a quarterback at Northern
Iowa who you picked in the fifth round, who nobody had.

(38:48):
These are known individuals. These are, by the way, also
guys who enriched themselves tremendously playing college football and basically
acted like pros while they were at those two spots.
That only adds to it. The Flacco part of it
adds to it because of how beloved he was here
for two years ago for a month in December when
he went lights out. And then Pickett's kind of the

(39:09):
one that I think sometimes is forgotten, and you shouldn't
because he's right in the middle of it. And he's
the first one of all these guys that they went
and got.

Speaker 6 (39:18):
By the way, Kurt Warner Northern Iowa, right, Yes, Okay,
his son Kate is a coaching intern here this week.
The former k state wide receiver.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
Really the hotel and.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
You knew him from the NFL Network days.

Speaker 6 (39:32):
He came up and introduced himself to me. He's like, hey,
Andrew used to work with my dad. I'm like, oh
my god, it's Caid.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
Did he bring the kids around and stuff from time
to time?

Speaker 6 (39:42):
He did. I might have met Caid years ago. I
still remember. Anyway, I digress to you. That's great, that's great,
but you mentioned northern Iowa to your point, Yeah, you
don't very often see this, and let's face it, in
the day and age, and Kevin talked about this yesterday
when he was asked about social media of twenty four
hour coverage in the most and the most popular and

(40:02):
the greatest support there is guys like we used to
have an off season topic bard NFL Network where we
would spin a wheel and like, all right, what's the
what's the evergreen topic we can talk about today? Ye,
there's only a handful of them, and this is one
of them, and it is going to be NonStop. It
is going to be. It already is relentless.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
I'm so glad that you gave that national peak behind
the curtain on this because I've tried to explain this
even in the lead up before he was a Cleveland Brown.
If you are hosting Get Up, or you're hosting NFL Live,
or you're hosting the Good Morning Football and it's a
day in early March and there isn't any league news

(40:45):
and you spin that wheel, one of the slots on
that wheel is there's should or there's Aaron Rodgers there's
the tush push conversation. I mean, those are the top three?
What else am I missing?

Speaker 3 (41:01):
That?

Speaker 2 (41:02):
The point of it, though, is that Chadore is always
going to be on that wheel. He was on the
wheel the entire draft process. He's going to be on
the wheel all summer. He doesn't ask for any of that.
He does not, He does not. But it's a byproduct
of who he is, who his dad is, and what
he's done, what he did while he was at Colorado
and what a lightning rod that he's been in the

(41:23):
pre draft process. And so if you get to July
tenth and you're like, man, we got nothing? I mean,
is Joey Chestnut back? Are we doing a hot dog contest?

Speaker 5 (41:34):
Like?

Speaker 2 (41:34):
What are we doing? Is baseball going to do anything?
What do we got here? We can always go to
the NFL? Well what can we go?

Speaker 5 (41:39):
Hey?

Speaker 2 (41:39):
You think Sh'S got a shot at aar Rodgers Shadoor? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (41:43):
TJ. Watt hold out. I mean, Shamar Stewart's not going
to move the needle on July.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
No, not really even now, because you have to explain
who he is. I always tell people this, here's the
beauty about about the Shadoor one, you don't have to
explain who he is. Everybody knows.

Speaker 6 (41:58):
And the other thing, too, is I want fans store.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
You'd have to start it with you have to seventeenth
pick four and a half pick sacks. They got Hendrickson
sitting out. It's five minutes of Juca.

Speaker 6 (42:06):
Singles have their history of contracts and what's backstory?

Speaker 2 (42:10):
Sture go.

Speaker 6 (42:11):
So everyone is out of the building today, right, Yeah,
you've seen our coach is already out the door. Players
already out the door. It's the same in all thirty
two buildings. There are five teams that don't wrap up
their off season program until next week. Okay, once you
hit next Friday. There are let's see thirty two league
office films the network. There are thirty five buildings, let's

(42:33):
say officially in the NFL. You cannot get a phone
answered in any of those thirty five beyond next Friday.
So there is no news. Nobody is making any news,
say for an unfortunate arrest or something that happens off
the field, which is inevitable. It happens every summer. So
sports talk radio and we're all part of this. Yeah,
the morning shows, the twenty four hour coverage on social media.

(42:56):
They have to make stuff up, not make up facts,
not makeup store. But you are rehashing the exact same stories.
There is nothing that can be said or done in
the next month that will affect the Browns quarterback competition. Right,
assuming everyone says healthy and has a nice vacation and
all is happy, they will reconvene the week of July

(43:17):
twenty one, and then it will actually we will actually
have something to talk about.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
As you watched over the last couple of days, and
you fast forward and try to put yourself in a
position of training camp by the time we reconvene. Who
are some names that you think these fans are gonna love.

Speaker 6 (43:37):
Guys that weren't here last year, like rookies.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
Yeah, well, I mean the rookies or new guys or
the two backs.

Speaker 6 (43:43):
Definitely, And I am fascinated to see how Mason Graham
and Carson sweestterner because they're gonna play immediately, yep, I
assume listening lest one of them screws it up, which
I highly doubt it. They're gonna make plays immediately. Like

(44:05):
to see Mason Graham in the backfield with Miles Garrett
chasing Joe Burrow week one, like, I am here for that.
Y s Quessenger is going to be sidelined to sideline.
Maybe see him first on special teams, but he's going
to work into that first in defense pretty quickly. I
think personally, I am as excited about this draft class
as I have been in a long long time. Taking

(44:25):
the quarterbacks out of the equation. Yep, Like, you will
have guys that will contribute immediately, and look they have to,
especially in the backfield. Jerome Ford is now the veteran
in that room heading in the year number four. Jerome Ford.
By the way, only Derrick Henry and Jamier Gibbs and
Saquon Barkley had a better per carry average last year
than Jerome Ford. I know that sounds stunning. He only

(44:47):
had like one hundred and five carries. Jerome Ford made
some plays last year, but he now has to be
the veteran leader in that room. So I'm curious to
see how that goes. But yeah, just turned on the
YouTube highlights of those two running backs and everything that
we just said about the old line and how they're
going to get back to punching people in the face
on the O line. Dylan Samson rarely was touched getting

(45:12):
through the line in that Tennessee offense. Like hard to
evaluate wide receivers in that offense, I would argue it's
hard to evaluate a running back as well. But when
he did get hit, he had some nice spin moves.
He had some power. If this offensive line can open
up holes for those two backs, look out.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
Yeah, needless to say. Like him not being able to
participate fully in the playoff game in Ohio State contributed
greatly to I'm not sure that there was anything stop
in the Buckeyes, but yeah, not having him in hole
was a big, big problem.

Speaker 6 (45:45):
Taking a twenty two touchdown guy out of the lineup
that matters.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
Yeah, that was a big one. I did the film
City last night with ab Yeah, and we he pulled up.
The first film he pulled up was was Swessenger And
I've told like my boys and we got a couple
of we got it. One neighbor kid, especially in my
oldest grade, who just is born to play linebacker. And
they were with the house last night and I said,
I'm going to tell you right now, you're gonna want

(46:08):
a forty nine Browns jersey. Yeah, And he was like
he's like forty nine. Come on, that number sucks and
I'm like, watch, I want you and he's a student
of the game. I said, I want you to watch.
Pull it up on YouTube. Watch the table again. This, dude,
this is such a I'm gonna do it. It's hyperbol dude.

(46:31):
I think it's the hard I'm going to google that.

Speaker 4 (46:34):
Go.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
So my kid was issued forty six once in like
fourth grade football, and I was like, best I can
do is Tim McDonald and Todd Christensen. If he was
issued forty nine, I don't think I have anything. I
think it might be the hardest. I think forty nine
might be the toughest.

Speaker 6 (46:49):
So I think to day after the draft Edmonds edmunds, Okay, great, Yeah,
it's tough. Who got drafted at like fourteen by the Bills, right,
something like that. When Questinger came in here the day
after the draft with Judkins and everyone else, sat down
with him and we got to the jersey thing, and
I said, are you gonna keep forty nine?

Speaker 2 (47:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (47:11):
And he's like yeah, and he you didn't say yes.
He didn't say no, but it certainly sounded like he
was leaning in that direction. And I think I kind
of said the same thing, like, don't you want like
come on like?

Speaker 2 (47:20):
He well, tell the people why you had it was right?
Exactly last guy.

Speaker 6 (47:24):
To pick a fifty ninety and I said single digit.
We had exactly this same conversation. I go, has there
ever been? I go, I don't know that there's ever
been a great forty nine? And he came back with
a very calm and confident Well, that just means no
one ever good.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
We like.

Speaker 6 (47:44):
That just means that I'm gonna what is what was
the line he said, basically, well, I'm gonna make that happen.
I'm gonna be the first great one to make that happen.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
I'm gonna go about change.

Speaker 6 (47:53):
I'm gonna go about change that. Thank you. And I
blew the I blew the landing there, no, no, no, we
only had a very confident Well, I'm going to change that.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
You're on the ease co this isn't even your time zone.

Speaker 6 (48:02):
I'm fine.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
We're good. When do you fly?

Speaker 6 (48:06):
Uh? I can make my flight now.

Speaker 5 (48:09):
We're good.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
He watching the anyway, Yeah, watching the tape with AB
last night and watch it with some corporate partners and
some sweeth holders and stuff. And I hate even doing this,
but in terms of his instinct and ability to cover ground,
there's a little keik Ley to him. Yeah, there's a
little key. I mean he flies. He he had a

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video of him. It's a he's at they're playing cover three.
He's he's he's dropping into his zone. Quarterbacks eyes are
on this in this hash, and then College of course
they're wider College eye. The quarterbacks eyes are on this hash.
He's shading here. Quarterback quickly comes back down the other hash.
He gets there for an interception. He covers ground like

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you can't believe. And he's a lot bigger than any
people realize he is. There's another one that he had
where he's he's in that old school tam up A
two Derek Brooks. Get your butt deep as fast as
you can turn in sprint and he runs with a
slot receiver from USC stepward for step the entire way
and breaks it down thirty five yards downfield. There's an
athleticism to him that is going to explode off with

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your eyes if you're somebody who's at camp.

Speaker 6 (49:17):
I know there were there were Browns fans and the
people around the league who were somewhat surprised that he
went at thirty three. Remember they had thirty six as well.
Clin Schewn was thirty six. They were fairly certain he
was not going to get to thirty six. Yep, there
were plenty of other teams that had an eye on him,
and people want to say, well, like wait a minute, wait,

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walk on and really didn't really didn't play a lot
until his last year there. Why is that.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
I don't care, It doesn't matter.

Speaker 6 (49:44):
I don't care. I don't care. Just turn on the tape.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
To your point, Yeah, it's gonna be fun.

Speaker 6 (49:50):
Yeah, I can't wait. This is as exciting.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
No, I want I want to wait, though, I don't
want to rush it because.

Speaker 6 (49:55):
We'll be Oh, I want my time off, you want
your time off.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
I'd like some time off. Yeah, I'm good with that.

Speaker 4 (50:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
When we to your point, there is going to be
a joy to this training camp because of all the
things that we've been talking about. That's that's gonna be.
It's gonna be palpable. You're gonna be able to feel
it when you're out there. I'm ready a lot of
a lot of fun.

Speaker 5 (50:13):
Guys.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
It's good seeing you buddy. Likewise, fly safe, thank you,
and enjoy your summer. I won't see again. Probably you
enjoy your summer. Good month?

Speaker 6 (50:22):
A month, it's a month.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
I wanted to be like I'll see you and I
love seeing it, but I like more like I'll see
in three months. No, no, no, we'll be back here
in a month. Do this all over again.

Speaker 6 (50:30):
Are you like Constner when you're back in Montana? Do
you like put your arm up on the fence and
just stare into the horizon.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
Yeah, sucking down a yellow jack?

Speaker 3 (50:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (50:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (50:39):
Are you are you that guy?

Speaker 3 (50:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (50:40):
Yeah, I try to be Yeah, that's that's where I am.

Speaker 6 (50:44):
Okay, do you have like a sister who emasculates the
brother in every episode and there's inevitably a fight and
my dad?

Speaker 2 (50:51):
Okay, we don't. We don't murder people and bury them,
got it. No one gets set you need to know about.
No one gets train station.

Speaker 6 (50:58):
No, okay.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
Montana does not have the murder rate of Bogota, Colombia
in nineteen eighty seven either. So there's that.

Speaker 6 (51:04):
Only been there once, but we survived.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
You got through a look at yeah, yeah, no, a
little different, little different tone.

Speaker 6 (51:09):
Avoid the bears.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
Yeah, just listen, it's not a zoo.

Speaker 6 (51:12):
It isn't it's not a zoo. Grizzlies are not friendly.
No no, no, brown bears, black bears, maybe grizzlies.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
You don't need that selfie, No, don't need it.

Speaker 6 (51:21):
Oh no, go the other way. It'll it'll kill you
and then take its own selfie.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
Good to see you.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
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Speaker 3 (52:31):
What kind of mind frame are you in.

Speaker 4 (52:34):
With this opportunity and knowing that you had sort of
a turbulent twenty twenty four. Where's your head fan right now?

Speaker 7 (52:40):
I guess no, I'm thankful, you know, just to get
another opportunity to be here and on you know this
one day at a time. Control what I control, you know,
make most of the opportunities. And that's how it is for.

Speaker 5 (52:52):
Me right now.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
How would you describe last year?

Speaker 5 (52:54):
Last year's last year? I mean, I'm just worry about
this year.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
What are your conversations?

Speaker 4 (52:59):
Like aparian type of spresent when if you were deciding
whether not just signed here later deciding.

Speaker 5 (53:04):
Whether not to sign.

Speaker 7 (53:05):
He really was just my uh what I bring to
the table, like how I'm gonna move forward and stuff
like that, and I feel like I'm just doing I'm
doing the right things right now.

Speaker 5 (53:14):
Just move forward.

Speaker 4 (53:15):
I And what you would be to get back to
that forum and when you are really playing.

Speaker 5 (53:21):
So well placed heel I'm still in that.

Speaker 7 (53:22):
For him, it's just a matter whenever I get my opportunities,
you know, and be able to put put it on film.

Speaker 6 (53:28):
Case.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
So watch your a bunch of coming.

Speaker 5 (53:29):
How want you to be?

Speaker 4 (53:30):
The conversations have you had with Kitty before you signed
here and and since you signed here?

Speaker 5 (53:35):
What what is he meant to tryna be your your
your transition here?

Speaker 7 (53:38):
Uh? I feel like he was a probably a a
a part of me coming here or whatnot. And you know,
just I got a relationship. Go back to Pittsburgh. You know,
we we got a good relationship and uh we probably
haven't taught like we you know what I'm saying did before.
But what I'm saying when we he reached out or
whatever it was like what he picked.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
Up off that was the Brown's the only team that
you moved back to me?

Speaker 5 (53:58):
Yeah, that was really dumbe team that hit me up.

Speaker 6 (54:01):
What can you do uh for his football team?

Speaker 3 (54:03):
Hives that we have watched you play for so many years?

Speaker 5 (54:06):
What do you feel like?

Speaker 3 (54:07):
You know, did you here for the creely round? Uh?

Speaker 5 (54:10):
Just you know, another weapon to the receiver room offense.

Speaker 7 (54:13):
Uh, you know, make plays, you know, can be a
help to the young guys and stuff like that. And uh,
really just trying to be myself, you know, get back
to where I where I left at, you know, just
one like I say, maybe most of my opportunities.

Speaker 5 (54:25):
Whenever they come uh put it on film. That's really
my main focus.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
Is there a reason you weren't here for a good
char It.

Speaker 5 (54:32):
Was I had a coach, a co uh coach about that.
So we we are.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
Good, okay, be honest.

Speaker 6 (54:36):
He I know, uh don you haven't have much time
yet with theory, but just what do you think of
his game and and playing alongside him, how you.

Speaker 5 (54:42):
Guys might be able to compliment what another uh he nice?

Speaker 7 (54:45):
Uh, just him to be able to be man covers
Uh get open his own Uh.

Speaker 5 (54:49):
I'm familiar with uh Jerry, you know.

Speaker 7 (54:52):
So he's from Florida too, so you know, Uh, but
like I said, he he's a a weapon, you know,
to have a a good guy to have on the
op uh other side, you know, and where it was
on the opposite side, whether it's me or whoever it is,
you know, it free gives 'em a chance to you know,
get one on one opportunities and stuff like that. So,
like I said, that's what you know he brings to
the table.

Speaker 5 (55:11):
I think said last year with the last year, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (55:12):
I think it's the first time you really smoke into
the of the team.

Speaker 5 (55:15):
Yeah, you know you feel like there's maybe a misunderstanding
of the way you think like that for sure. For sure.

Speaker 7 (55:20):
You know how I don't like to speak on a
lot of stuff, So I just you know, everybody gonna
have they opinions, you know what I'm saying. So at
the end of the day, I'm the only one in
that room and really know what be going on.

Speaker 5 (55:29):
So I can only you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (55:30):
Everybody can, like I say, they are title to their
own opinions, So I can only go out for what
I know and then un try to go go off
what I you know, what I'm saying I could put
out there like in my best effort. But like I said,
last year is last year. I'm tryna turn and change
that narrative and you know, move r move the right
way and.

Speaker 5 (55:46):
Uh just keep going. Bro.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
Would you wrote running ability and Jerry's rout running ability.

Speaker 3 (55:51):
It seems like you guys are uh kind of even
playing field with each other.

Speaker 6 (55:56):
Uh, with your compete that was their ability.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
Yeah, what what's it gonna be like for a quarterback
to have both of you guys getting that kind of
separation and running up to those kind of outing together.

Speaker 7 (56:06):
Really, it's take your poison, whoever you wanna, who you
wanna go to and whatnot. Uh, was like like just
like like so just getting open. Really it's gonna determine that.

Speaker 5 (56:15):
Uh for a quarterback.

Speaker 6 (56:16):
Are you surprised to get no other team reached out
to you?

Speaker 5 (56:20):
It's it's the it's NFL, it's the business.

Speaker 7 (56:22):
I I don't have no control over that. The Brown's
called and I'm I'm happy to be here and I'm
that's all I'm worried about.

Speaker 5 (56:28):
Other than that I'm calling.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
Was there's a something else attractive about this team because.

Speaker 7 (56:32):
You like, uh, I know, I know the uh a
b like me coming out during the draft and stuff
like that. So that's one of the things he mentioned
to me.

Speaker 5 (56:39):
So I just can y'all have a practor on your receiverite,
Chris tabling to a quarter quarterback when you.

Speaker 4 (56:45):
Have four quarterbacks? When or something?

Speaker 5 (56:46):
Stuff?

Speaker 6 (56:47):
And how do you go about Trent.

Speaker 7 (56:48):
And Tree or port with ante are all though, Uh
whenever like routes on their seven on seven when you
gotta have to practice and stuff. Uh uh, it's really football,
you know what I'm saying. Whoever that quarterback just throwing
catch It ain't time. I don't feel like the time
and stuff is just don't bother me, cause I wherever
gonna throw the ball, i'm'a catch it once it's in
the vicinity or something like that. So yeah, nah, nah,

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it's just catch the ball. I should come your way.

Speaker 3 (57:12):
So two your former things Pittsburgh involved Barbara, who's gonna
flam twice a year?

Speaker 5 (57:16):
Uh? With those season you know what?

Speaker 3 (57:19):
Yeah, yeah, you know what.

Speaker 5 (57:20):
I'm looking forward to 'em for sure.

Speaker 4 (57:23):
Don't say you any just tell some Multista.

Speaker 5 (57:26):
Work for it. Set again? Did you tell the Lasco?

Speaker 4 (57:28):
But years to go on for you?

Speaker 2 (57:29):
Do you feel like you can't away like learning anything.

Speaker 7 (57:31):
About yourself or it's one bad year, it's one one year.
I had five grade seasons in Pittsburgh, and it's one
year that don't define me as a player or none
of that, my character, none of that. So, like I said,
everybody gonna say what they wanna say about me. But
I know who I am as a person deep down,
and that's how that matters to me.

Speaker 4 (57:49):
So do you feel like you have everything yourself before
the league come around?

Speaker 7 (57:53):
Pick just be myself as you know, prove to prove,
prove everybody room. That's that's my my uh mindset.

Speaker 5 (57:58):
Keep going.

Speaker 7 (57:59):
Don't worry about it outside. No, it's worry about what
goes on there between these these gates.

Speaker 6 (58:03):
That's guess when you talk about that stuff and and
changing the narrative and controlling what you can control. I
guess what does that look like for you?

Speaker 2 (58:09):
Is that just going out on the field.

Speaker 5 (58:12):
Just just play instead of just thinking about all the
other stuff. Just play.

Speaker 7 (58:16):
Want it like, made most of my opportunities when I
get in cheer my teammates home, be a great teammate,
stuff like that.

Speaker 6 (58:22):
So give them a suphomore.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
You don't feel like you know this was anything, but
you know, just an off year for you, just going
we're year and.

Speaker 4 (58:30):
Guessing then that you don't that you're not taking.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
Any extra steps or measures to.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
Try to make sure that you have a good year
and that some of those types of things don't.

Speaker 6 (58:42):
Follow you into the sea.

Speaker 5 (58:44):
I mean talking about me not being here for someone. Yeah,
nor No, I just.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
Need do you feel like and is there anything that
you here.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
To do to keep you know, your head on.

Speaker 5 (58:52):
Straight and make sure that this goes.

Speaker 7 (58:53):
It's coming here with a great attitude. You know what
I'm saying, be a great teammate. You know what I'm saying,
do it, be on time and stuff, do what I
gotta do. Like I say, the rest gonna take care
of itself. Football is football at in the day. Once
we getting in between the minds, that's all it's about.

Speaker 3 (59:06):
After tomorrow year, you're all up at great practices with
this team.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
Is there catching up to do before you come back
to training?

Speaker 5 (59:13):
Ah? I was here actually a week before that too,
so it's not just them three. So yeah, but you cut.

Speaker 7 (59:19):
I'm I got a good relationship with Desharn Washington, Kenny Piggott,
so like store like just if I need a question
with something, I can always call or whatever it is,
Like I'm I'm It's not like I don't know what
I'm doing. Like I've just got to play book and
stuff like that, and I can study at home and
so I'm on top of my stuff.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
Too, So I'm gonna do Jorian cam.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
Up who how did you feel your relationship?

Speaker 4 (59:38):
Should you orry being here?

Speaker 7 (59:41):
Just that's just you know, I'm just being around a
little bit. Just respect, you know what I'm saying. Just
what I'm saying me in the league a little bit,
and I know what he do and stuff like that.

Speaker 5 (59:48):
So just look. Stuff like that obviously has your.

Speaker 6 (59:52):
Moved in this portion of this.

Speaker 5 (59:53):
But for you just getting in here and being.

Speaker 6 (59:55):
Able to work with what's the most important thing for.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
You, uh, to get out of it that you enter that.
And then obviously.

Speaker 7 (01:00:03):
I'm just like I said, be here. You know what
I'm saying, Do what I'm told. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:00:08):
To do my job. My assignment was execute will you work.

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
With Kenny and any from Jerry or any of.

Speaker 7 (01:00:16):
Those guys in the you know, everybody do their own thing,
So it depends on what everybody got going on at
the time.

Speaker 5 (01:00:22):
But I'm sure we'll catch ups on time or whatever.
Where do you go back last Tampa? That's That's where
i'd be at.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
Yeah, all right, there you go. If Deonta can get
back to what he was last year in Carolina, look out.

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
Look at this point, it's Jerry Judy in a room
of everybody else.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
Hey, what was so Tillman was? Was he a full
participant today or what did you make of what you saw?

Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
He was in a little bit here and there. I
mean he was in some of the eleven on eleven stuff,
So I guess I would call him full same with
Mike Woods. Yeah, but not really, not really like it was.
I was kind of surprised they went eleven on eleven
and seven on seven. Normally day three you're kind of
going through some position drills and then you're moving on

(01:01:08):
from there.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
I think it's because they need the reps.

Speaker 3 (01:01:11):
Well, I think the quarterbacks need really didn't get any
reps in eleven on eleven or seven on seven until
the last fifteen minutes of practice. Yeah, you didn't see
the field. Yeah, so yeah, I mean I get it.
You're hoping said Tillman's the number two.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
You really have to be ideal, I mean, hopefully, hopefully
he is the number two and leaves no doubt that he's.

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
The number two. I would like that very much, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
Like the pedigrees there, the frames there, the talents there. Yes,
it just needs to be healthy and be on the
field and if it is then you feel like there's
a good chance that that indeed, but could be the case.

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
You've got Deontay Thrash that clearly put on some weight.
He had a good week and looked looked like a
much different wide receiver this year. Maybe he can establish himself.
You have a host of other guys.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
Yeah, I mean yeah, but he's him and they or
the they're the two that if if they if it,
if it clicks, if we're healthy and it clicks, then
this receiver room could look very capable. There's there's a
ceiling on some of the other guys, but on those
two guys, there's a little bit of a higher ceiling.
And so like if they if they can go, then

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you've got some real weapons on the outside.

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
Yeah, and you're gonna need them. I know we talked
about lining up wide receivers out and Samson out at
wide receiver, a little bit of putting him on the outside.
But you need some dudes outside that are gonna make
that defense, not put eight or nine in the.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
Box hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (01:02:38):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
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the news of the day in the NFL. It's actually
the topheadline on ESPN dot com right now is that
Shamar Stewart left Bengals camp. Just left. Now. I don't

(01:03:50):
blame him. He's not under contract. There are no guarantees
if he were to get hurt, and knowing that organization,
they probably also wouldn't pay him if he did correct.
This is an absolutely completely avoidable mess. I'm glad it's
happening to them, yep. But it's a crazy thing to

(01:04:11):
allow this to happen. This is the seventeenth pick in
the draft. He is on the record as saying, just
give me what you gave the guy who you picked
eighteen last year. That's all he wants it the same contract.

Speaker 3 (01:04:24):
What trying to save a nickel nicol and diming a
top draft pick that goes well. By the way, there's
a salary cap. It's structure rookies, Yeah, there's a structure.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
About the guarantees. Florio actually gave a pretty good I
read this this morning and it was probably the best
best synopsis. It's a lose for both sides, there's no question.
I mean, like and Zach Taylor said, not going to
make any predictions on Shamar Stewart, Like, I mean, that's
the It got very contentious. It got quite honestly pretty silly. Florio,

(01:05:04):
I'm gonna read this to you. This is kind of
gives you an idea of the details here around it.
And this is pretty straightforward. The issue comes down to
that one to that one term in the contract. The
Bengals are trying to change their usual language regarding the
voiding of guarantees to extend the consequences of a default
in the contract year to all future years, so trying

(01:05:25):
to minimize what's guaranteed in the deal. Stuart doesn't believe
he should have contract language any different than the player
the Browns took in the first round last year, tackle
Amarus Mims, especially since Stuart was drafted higher than Mims. Now,
Stuart's camp is saying he just didn't want to be
a distraction anymore and that's why he left, which there
could be some truth to that as well. But this
is an organization that should be doing cartwheels. They got

(01:05:47):
burrowed done two years ago, they got chased, they kept Higgins,
They're all done. I think the Hendricks that then will
work itself out in short order. And now there's this
and they need This is a guy who had four
and a half sacks in his career at Texas A
and M He needs reps. He's a raw talent. He
needs reps. He needs to play. And you blew it, boy,

(01:06:08):
You blew it, and it's just it's absolutely silly. It's
an esoteric clause that they're trying to change on for
the point of being different.

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
I guess I don't understand. I just follow the blueprint.
The blueprint is laid out for you. Yeah, Like, is
it because they're paying all these other because of all
the contracts they've had a dole out this offseason?

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
Yeah, the extensions, I mean something that they would do.
It's a uniquely Bengals issue. It's like it's the Chargers
would do this. There's like a couple organizations that behave
this way. Everybody else would never allow this to go
this way. No, never, with the first round pick seventeenth overall,

(01:06:54):
it's just by the way silly.

Speaker 3 (01:06:56):
It's on he's on defense and currently they don't really
have a defense because the premier player on their defense
who also led the NFL in sex. Is also not
a mandatory mini camp.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
Yeah, I think that one is not as big of
a you know, a thing or not a thing. I
don't think that's a thing right now.

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
Kind of thing till training.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
It's a thing next season, like it, you know, prove
your point whatever. This is a thing though, like This
is a rookie who should have been spent the last
month getting locked in to I mean, it's a new
defensive system they're teaching. It's Al Golden, it's not Louenroumo.
So it's a whole new system that's being taught.

Speaker 3 (01:07:32):
Did he set out rookie mini camp? Didn't he?

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
Yeah he's done. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
I mean the stupidity of it all. But that's that's
the Northern Kentucky Bengals for you.

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
It really is. How cool was it to wake up
and turn on the US Open?

Speaker 3 (01:07:51):
Unfortunately I had a lot going on this.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
Morning seven am. It was I prepped my Columbus show
and then I'm like, oh, I got a couple of minutes.
It was on USA at seven am.

Speaker 3 (01:08:05):
Yeah, it's ONNTIL five o'clock today and that awesome peacocked
the rest of the day.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
It was awesome, And I had some fun with it
this morning and said, gosh, I mean this Oakland, Oh,
big bad Oakland. It's playing like a muni. Like we
had guys four under on their first on their front nine.
McElroy birdie two of his first three and had a
birdie put on one that would have been which was
his tenth, would have got him to three under him,
Like they're making a mockery at this place. And then

(01:08:31):
it's kind of responded with vigor throughout the rest of
the day. And I saw that Rory ended up four over,
like just blew up on the back. It was the front,
but it was his back. I don't understand how in
the hell JJ Spahn got out of there with a
sixty six, like carted a sixty six. He has a
one shot lead over Tristan Lawrence, who's three under heading

(01:08:54):
to his last hole through eighteen. Wu Kim is a
that's a sixty eight. He's in with a sixty eight.
Ben great and he was a runner up at Memorial
a couple of weeks ago. He is at sixty nine,
so he's kind of in the mix as well. And
then there's a host of guys that are out there.
Most of the big names that you know have struggled
so far. Now Scotty just started. He's I think he's

(01:09:15):
only three in and he's even through through the very
beginning of his round. Marikawa is playing with Scotty, he's
even as well. So there's some of those guys, but
de Shamba was out early, Dustin Johnson was out. He's
a late guy.

Speaker 3 (01:09:29):
Shambo finished three over.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
Yeah, Oberg with Oberg spared played most of the day
in the red and then and then all of a
sudden finished up at two over. So something must have
happened because when I was as I was, oh my god.
So his his his back nine, which was the front,
is the same thing that happened to Rory. So he
went he went bogey par birdie par bogey, bogey par bogey,

(01:09:57):
bogie on the front nine, which was his back nine.

Speaker 3 (01:10:01):
Gibbs golf right there that just had another stroke, probably
double bogie.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
I definitely have one double in a triple at that point.
Shoftley two over, de'shambo three over. I think, as you mentioned,
Rory was ended up at four. So that's that's.

Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
Kind of where you are right now. Morikawa and Scottie
Shuffler are playing together.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
I believe they are. Yep. Rory's Rory was two under
on his front, which was the back, and then he
was six over on the back on the front his back.

Speaker 3 (01:10:34):
Interesting name to watch that we haven't heard from in
a while. Brooks Kopka is two under through four.

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
Did he just eagle something because he was even.

Speaker 3 (01:10:44):
I can tell you he did. He eagled four.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
Okay, I was gonna say because yeah, because he went
so then he went from because he was even. Just
as I was going through those, he was even. So
he eagled Oh the par five fourth.

Speaker 3 (01:10:57):
Yeah, with three. I mean so it was interesting this morning.
I was listening. I had it on the car driving
because they have play by play and I'm always fascinated
with how they're able to do that. And I'm listening
and they had an expert on and the expert was
basically like, look, here's how this is going to go today.

(01:11:17):
If these guys tear this course up today, tomorrow will
be a complete bloodbath because they know they have rain
coming Saturday, because Saturday here is supposed to be a
silk garbage, oh, a steady rain evolving into a lot
more as the day goes on. Saturday could be a wash.

(01:11:38):
So basically they're going, we're gonna make Friday impossible with
the pin placements and everything if people have a field
day with this today. So I don't I'm not sure,
but the weather forecast not great for Saturday. Sunday looks okay,

(01:11:58):
it recovers for Father's Day. But the fact that I
just watched Scheffler hit out of the rough. Yeah, and
he was literally in the first cut and you couldn't
see the ball from over head.

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
No no, no, no, yeah, yeah, oh yeah, Oh my gosh.
They're gonna get bombed by rains really starting tomorrow over there,
partly sunny, humid, couple showers and a thunderstorm in the afternoon,
and then Saturday is times of cloud and sun, couple
of showers, thunderstorm, humid. There can be ponding on roadways
for Saturday, oh perfect, and then Sunday cloudy, humid, couple

(01:12:33):
of showers, thunderstorm mainly later there can be ponding on roads.
They're expecting a lot of rain over there. So you're
exactly right, That's what I'm saying. Like this dude carting
a sixty six, that's a hell of a start. Yeah,
he's gonna be tough to I mean, you take the wheels,
are gonna have to completely come off. Like that's great.
I think it can happen for sure in at sixty six.

(01:12:55):
Do you like, what would you do if you remember there?
I wouldn't be yeah, but you would be because it's
Oakmont and there's a there you if they offered it
to you'd take it because okay, you know what and
you and when your buddies came to town, and I
know much you love Pittsburgh in the Lehigh Valley and
all of that, but you uh, jokes to it. You

(01:13:18):
got but like people come in to visit like you,
you would be at oat but like it's got to
be just a brute. It can't be any fun at all.
You'd have to approach it like, well, I'm gonna shoot
ten worse than I normally do.

Speaker 3 (01:13:30):
So is this how it is your It's not like
the memorial because the memorial gets a little better does.

Speaker 2 (01:13:35):
The memorial amp set up? But it's still an impossible
course if you're not if you're not a real golfer,
it's it's there's never a point where like you're always
appreciative of it. But if you're a high handicapper and
like I am, it's a long day man. It's it's
it's it really sucks a life at it, and that
place is worse. So now they have the rough at
five inches and normally it's at two and a half.

(01:13:56):
But the other thing that's pretty weird about it, is like,
obviously there's not any tree on it no anymore. I
mean there was thirty years ago there were trees. They
took up fifty thousand trees or whatever, and and now
there's a there're literally seventy six runs through it. Interstate
seventy six runs through it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:13):
Ways over right the highway.

Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
Yeah, I mean when we we've gone an nemicolon before
and you drive right between it, I mean that's the
road we take and you drive right through it, So
like you're you don't really have like that intimate golf
experience that I think we're normally, and this is becoming
more and more as people take down trees all over
in all these courses. But it's got to be so
weird to like struggle and have people right next to

(01:14:37):
you on the fairway struggling alongside you. Like most golfers suck, Yeah,
they really do. Like I tell the guys that, the
boys that all the time. I'm like, if I'm finding
a ball, if I find three balls where mine is,
that means a lot of people suck like I do.
And and that's that's kind of the way that that is.
So I don't know what that would be like, but
I imagine it would be very and I know, like

(01:14:59):
congressional just this recently, like when you take out all
the trees and you're used to like the look, even
if it's healthy for the course, it takes a lot
to get used to to go from what's now like
a link style.

Speaker 3 (01:15:09):
Again, is a member? How how do you have fun
at that?

Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
I don't know, I had no names. Please. I got
a buddy of mine who's a member at Mierfield Village and
he says, and that course is stunning, but he said, honestly,
like if I just want to have fun, I go
play country club or what is it country Mierfield Country Club,
which is right across the street, and it's much more
like enjoy loose and enjoyable.

Speaker 3 (01:15:32):
Yeah, yeah, you play. You play Mirfield for the experience.
You to have fun, you need to go somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
And I don't know. My hunch's Oakmont is like Mierfield
and that you have to you can't take a cart
probably like you can get a special dispensation to take
a cart at Merefield, but buy and large you can't
have to walk, so like I don't know what that's like,
I mean the other thing that appears to me that
there are a couple of times they would show like
a guy like down on a green like looking back
up one You're like, oh my god, that's a huge hill.

(01:16:02):
It doesn't look it on television until you get that
down low and up perspective. But man, you're right.

Speaker 3 (01:16:08):
With that rain coming now, it'll be fascinating because how
they get the how they hit the rough. They I
saw something online about it that they literally like they
have this mower that's on souped up wheels. Yeah, and
it's also a blower, so it literally blows the grass.
So the grass is standing up when they cut it

(01:16:30):
to get it to that five inches, and it is
straight up the entire time.

Speaker 2 (01:16:34):
The Guy Golf Channel Wednesday they did a great story
about how they did that with the rough and they said,
you can't just They had the superintendent on. He said,
you can't just grow it to five inches and not
cut it because then the tops are wispy and what
they want is that thickness that's at two and a
half at five, So you have to you have to
keep cutting it and slowly build it up so that

(01:16:56):
so that that that what you're cutting off is the
wispy part. Yeah, and that it's all thick all the
way through, and that's how you lose it. That's how
the ball. You hit it in the rough, it's gone.
Some of those bunkers looking sane too. There's one Rory
was hitting out of where. He couldn't even see where
he was hitting. He was up against the wall. You
couldn't even see.

Speaker 3 (01:17:12):
It's lost, like you're going backwards. Just hit hit it
the other way. It was fun. It was really fun though,
to wake up and watch it. I look forward to
that tomorrow. Today was like last day. Yeah, we got
we got to get people through, we got interviews, we
got I mean, we have so much sound we'll play
over the next few weeks. Yes, as we go. And uh,
it was kind of a kind of a crazy, crazy morning,

(01:17:34):
but in a good way. And you know, this team
got some great work in and I look forward for
the weekend to watching some of this, especially tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:17:44):
Well, yeah, we might not have anything else. It's going
to rain all day.

Speaker 6 (01:17:48):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
I don't know if I can do it. You might
not see me Monday if it's if it just rains
all weekend. Father's Day weekend. Come on, dude, and then
you're June.

Speaker 3 (01:17:58):
It's June. It's it's it's getting redicabus. Fine, give me
a thunderstorm. Fine, I don't need all day. I'm able
to grow grass right now.

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:18:09):
That shouldn't happen in June.

Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:18:11):
No, like, I got some spots I had to do.
My wife's like, let's do it. I'm like, summer, Like,
it's not the greatest time to do this growing. It's thriving, sure,
sixty eight degrees in rain. Yeah, in the fifties at night?
Yeah great, who gets hurt me?

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Speaker 3 (01:20:06):
Get in for those people that wonder if we read
them or if we're paying attention. We do get entertained
sometimes by some of the comments. That's right, Uh, real quick,
a little bit of news schefter about twenty minutes go
on McAfee quote. I have questions about whether or not
Anthony Richardson will be ready for the start of training camp.

(01:20:27):
No kidding, you don't say, well, how about that? Yeah,
it's not ideal.

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
It's a tough spot.

Speaker 3 (01:20:36):
Yeah, not great. Not great for the Colts.

Speaker 2 (01:20:39):
I think they're they signed Danny Dimes and I think
that's there. That's that's there, that's where they're at.

Speaker 3 (01:20:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
I was skeptical of drafting him to begin with, just
because he played so little at Florida. It's so hard
when you just don't have snaps, and he just doesn't
have many snaps. You fall in love with the physical stuff,
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:21:00):
Yeah, exactly. You can tweet your questions to us. As
Bo said at Brown's Underscore Daily, Joe tweets at us
fellas a track that is fun while also being challenging.
Is the lakes out in my neck of the woods
that invite I gave a while back.

Speaker 2 (01:21:19):
Is still open the lakes down in Columbus.

Speaker 3 (01:21:25):
Out in Warren, I believe is that the uh is
that that little resort in that resort out in Warren.

Speaker 4 (01:21:34):
The lakes, I believe so.

Speaker 3 (01:21:38):
Yes, that's where the Corey Stringer golf outing used to be.

Speaker 2 (01:21:42):
The Lakes golf So the only one I know I've
played the one down in Columbus, which is the Lakes,
which is awesome. They modeled their their clubhouse after Augusta,
so it looks just like Augusta, the Lakes and Columbus.

Speaker 4 (01:21:59):
Okay, really cool.

Speaker 3 (01:22:01):
It's Avalon Lake's golf course and country club. Yeah, okay,
it's part of I will say this.

Speaker 2 (01:22:06):
It's called the Grand or something. Is that what that is?

Speaker 3 (01:22:08):
It's pretty awesome. Like their pool looks like a Greek
like temple, except that's outdoor and.

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
It looks like the Hurst Mansion pool at the Hurst
Mansion is what it looks like.

Speaker 3 (01:22:18):
Yeah, yeah, very very cool place. I've I've had some
friends go there. My wife and I went there for
an overnight, had dinner. There's like four different restaurants you
can go to and places. It's recommended. I would recommend it. Yeah,
that's very very cool. Well, thank you, I appreciate the request, mister. Fantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:22:43):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:22:44):
Given today's context, how crazy crazy was it for Maverick
to show up to the Good Doctor's house late for
a date, covered in sweat after beach volleyball and then
requests to shower.

Speaker 2 (01:22:55):
I think it's one of the I think it's one
of the chestiest displays that you could ever have. For
a first there have so many questions. Why is he playing?
Why is he playing beach volleyball before a date? Why
is he playing beach volleyball in his jeans without a
shirt on before a date?

Speaker 3 (01:23:14):
Why? Don't know?

Speaker 2 (01:23:15):
Why is he not in shorts?

Speaker 3 (01:23:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
Why why is he even playing beach volleyball in front
of a crowd? It's just four random dudes and there's
a crowd watching it like it's the AVP Tour. And
then yeah, to show up at the house and say, hey,
do you mind if I take a shower? Yes, I
do mind. That's very reasonable response from her to.

Speaker 3 (01:23:33):
Say that for a first date.

Speaker 2 (01:23:34):
Absolutely, for a tenth date, like to show, can I
take a shot? What what are you talking about? Come
over ready? This was the time we're out of the date.
I made a salad. Let's go. But I will echo
the words of the great former Undersecretary of the United
States Navy and great friend of the program, Tom Oldley.

(01:23:55):
It's a movie, bo.

Speaker 3 (01:23:57):
It's a movie. That's right.

Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
When I gave the boys had like six questions about
Maverick top gun Maverick and I was like about this,
mock ten about this, and it's a movie. Bough, Okay,
I got you.

Speaker 3 (01:24:16):
I got you. Sir Alfonso Taylor tweets at the show,
who's the better golfer between the two of you?

Speaker 2 (01:24:23):
Guys? Get it?

Speaker 3 (01:24:23):
I don't know about that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:25):
I think you would be. You play a lot more
than I. I've played.

Speaker 3 (01:24:28):
I mean, I'm good.

Speaker 2 (01:24:29):
I've played Last Weekend NBC and NBC and I played
eighteen and I think I shot ninety six, So that's
that's what.

Speaker 3 (01:24:39):
You're I'm I mean, I'm eighteen old. I can shoot
anywhere from ninety to like one hundred and two.

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
Yeah, it just depends.

Speaker 3 (01:24:49):
If I'm playing enough, I can maybe get into the
low to the mid to upper eighties, but that does
not happen often. And now a lot of the time
I get there, training camp starts and I'm done for
the year playing golf, which sucks.

Speaker 2 (01:25:00):
I also think, like the I've reached and I understand
very well aware that my kids are going to be
in a different track than I am. But I've come
to the realization that like I am, there's no amount
of training where I could ever break eighty like, that's
just never gonna happen. I've shot mid eighties before. When
I used to play a lot, I would be in
the mid eighties. A lot was kind of where I lived.
But I don't play enough anymore to ever get to

(01:25:22):
that point again. I don't know if I ever will.
So that's the real But I still love it and
I'm with the boys, so it's a win.

Speaker 3 (01:25:29):
So I'm trying to figure out. Mel Brooks tweeted today,
I told you we'd be back. Richie Fox tweets at
us thoughts on news of a confirmed sequel for Spaceballs.

Speaker 2 (01:25:44):
I don't have any I have no idea about that.
Mel Brooks is still is mel Brooks doing it? He's
still around, Yes, mel Brooks still around.

Speaker 3 (01:25:52):
I had confirmation. I'm watching a video.

Speaker 2 (01:25:55):
There's a new Spaceballs Spaceballs two.

Speaker 4 (01:25:58):
What twenty twenty seven?

Speaker 2 (01:26:00):
Guys, keV, what can you tell me about it?

Speaker 4 (01:26:03):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:26:03):
I just always loved like the little the little teaser,
and I love how mel Brooks at the end says,
you know, we we asked what the fans wanted, and
we just decided to do this anyways, right this this
just popped an hour ago. Yes, do I have that right?

Speaker 5 (01:26:19):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
This is all in the.

Speaker 3 (01:26:19):
Last hour, Okay, Richie, appreciate the heads up, man, All right,
I don't here's the nose was even in the works?
I mean Spaceballs is thirty eight years ago in the
falls Jordan's seen it broadcast.

Speaker 2 (01:26:33):
There's only one Star Wars trilliy. But since then there
have been a prequel trilogy, a sequel trilogy, a sequel
to the prequel, a prequel to the sequel, countless TV spinoffs,
a movie spin off of the TV spin off when
a both a prequel antisequel, not to mention, two dunes,
seven Jurassic parts, two avatars plus three upcoming avatars, making
five avatars, thirty six MCU movies with two different Robert
Downey juniors, DCU Attempt number one, DCU Attempt Number two,

(01:26:56):
an animated line King, a live action lion Gig, a
live action animate.

Speaker 3 (01:27:00):
It, and this is unreal.

Speaker 2 (01:27:01):
D eight Harry Potters, a TV series remaking the same
eight hour Potter movies, a whole streaming services Star Wars.
Oh my god, it just goes on and on and on.
This is incredible. It goes on for and then finally
at the end, but in thirty eight years, there's only
ever been one Spaceballs Oh baby, until now, and it's

(01:27:25):
mel Brooks and the Spaceballs. Oh that's spectacular. I loved
my kids love Spaceballs. It holds up.

Speaker 3 (01:27:34):
Does Yeah, I'm fascinating, Like I don't even I have
so many questions. Who would play?

Speaker 5 (01:27:41):
What?

Speaker 3 (01:27:43):
I mean, how does that? How does that even work?

Speaker 2 (01:27:46):
Hard to know where to even begin with that?

Speaker 3 (01:27:47):
Yeah, Yeah, I'm excited.

Speaker 2 (01:27:54):
Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, it's gonna be good. Here's one
from brown Town. When Will Shouldar get first team reps?
He's been he's been great since the start, has a
seventy seven percent completion percentage. He needs to be the
we ate Okay, we got to blame Chops for this
seventy seven. I'm putting it all on Chops. Yes, he has,

(01:28:18):
but I just would tell you to read two things
Browntown opulence. Read the story Mary Kay did at Cleveland
dot com on Monday, and we had her on earlier
in this week. Listen to what we're telling you on
this show, because we're giving you the real truth. Not
by the way Chop the numbers he's putting out their
accurate numbers. It's not that's not what it's about. It's
just void of context. I know that they've all talked
about that as well. And then read the piece in

(01:28:40):
Yahoo this week. There's a piece in Yahoo this week
as well.

Speaker 3 (01:28:43):
Yeah, they had one of their people out.

Speaker 2 (01:28:44):
Yeah, the rookie shadoor Is is is is doing things.
Is that a is just at a different point in
his growth than Kenny Pickett would be, and then that
Dylan Gabriel is at and and certainly Joe and so
they're just kind of all learning this on on different levels.
Is kind of where it is at this moment. So

(01:29:04):
he's when he's gotten his reps, he's looked good, but
it's it's a little bit of a different process.

Speaker 3 (01:29:09):
Got to work your way up. Yeah, like just patience,
this is this is a process. And reminder sometimes when
you have seventy five percent or seventy seven percent completion percentage,
maybe it's not against the first team or the second team. Yes,
of course, So yeah, reminder like let's manage the expectations.

(01:29:31):
We're working through it. He's getting better by the day.
He looked good in the reps he got today. Make
the most of the reps you get. When you get.

Speaker 2 (01:29:38):
Them, and he's fully on board with all of this.

Speaker 3 (01:29:41):
One hundred board. I was going to say, you were
with him last night.

Speaker 2 (01:29:44):
Yeah, Spaceball's two officially happening. Rick Moranis is in. Rick
Moranis hasn't done anything in like thirty years now. It's
been a long time. That's great. That makes my Thursday.
It makes me almost forget about all the rain all weekend.
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Speaker 2 (01:30:22):
So just you and I'll be here and I mean,
like in the whole building tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:30:25):
I feel like that's very strong possibility.

Speaker 2 (01:30:29):
I mean, doctor Jill be here, Brock will be here.

Speaker 3 (01:30:32):
Brocco was like I just saw like people leaving with
like suitcases and bags and boxes like the world's in it.
Like I think those guys, I think they're doing some
renovation work over in the on the football side too. Yeah,
but like the number of people carrying things out, I
mean it's just like grab what you can and go.

Speaker 2 (01:30:51):
It is a school's out for the summer vibe for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:30:54):
I mean it's I mean, they're probably maybe the twenty first.

Speaker 2 (01:31:00):
Let me tell you this why Teller's car with his
lovely wife was packed to the gills. My hunch is
there in West Virginia country roads, their country roads, take
me home. That's where he is. There will be a greenbrier. Yeah,
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