Halfway Through Joint Practices in Philly - Cleveland Browns Daily - 8.13.25

On a First Friday episode of CBD, the radio voice of the Browns Andrew Siciliano and Nathan Zegura break down what they saw at joint practice #1 in Philadelphia (:46). Hear from QBs Joe Flacco (41:29) and Dillon Gabriel (1:00:44) post-practice, and Zegura goes 1-on-1 with OT Dawand Jones (1:07:07).

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Speaker 1 (00:14):
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Speaker 2 (00:46):
That's do live on a first Friday edition of Cleveland
Browns Daily. I am merely BA the radio voice here
Cleveland Browns. Andrews Siciliano and the Great Sea will join
here momentarily from Philly. Obviously a very newsy day over there.
With the injury to rookie quarterback shoud Or Sanders, he
did not participate in any of the team activity. He
suffered an oblique injury while throwing in the early portion

(01:07):
of practice today. He was held out the remainder of
the session. That is the headline of the day. Of course,
there's a million layers to this. We're here in Beria,
I'm here in Beria. Those guys are boots on the
ground in Philly. So let's go there now to what
I can only assume and presume is Gibbey's Palatio Villa,
a state that he has rented for you guys to
hang out in. How are we doing, guys? What did

(01:28):
you see today? What did you make of the Shador
Sanders situation?

Speaker 3 (01:32):
Well, let's just start with that and Boa, it's great
to be with you. We've got the Pole broadcast team.
Here's Ceciliano's with me. Gibb still making his way back.
I'll tell you what. It was hot out there. I
cannot wait. I ripped my parachute shirt off. That parachute
night shirt not good in the heat. Ripped knock goodenough.
Got a nice little tank top on. Feeling much much better.

(01:53):
So I think the big story Shaudoor and then we
can get into practice. But you know, yep, an oblique
injury for a quarterback. We're certainly not doctors, but doesn't
sound good. It's just is a strange rash of non
contact muscle injuries for our quarterback room, three of them
and the young three, which is kind of wild when
you think about it, that Joe Flacco is the only
one that's avoided that. But now you went there today

(02:14):
to really see Chador get some work and hopefully continue
you know what you saw against Carolina, get a chance
to progress, and then it didn't happen, and you could
just hear everybody going as soon as we're watching one
on ones, and Andrew and I were, I'm like, he's
not getting any reps, like Tyler Huntley's getting all the
reps down there, like what's going on? And then you
getting the team and all of a sudden, here comes
the third team and it's Tyler Huntley and not Shadoor

(02:37):
and just nobody really knew, and then all of a
sudden it was, you know, made clear obviously have the
fact that it's just oblique injury, and it's a tough break.
I think it's a terrible break. Quite frankly, I'm obviously
not happy about it. I don't think anybody's happy about it.
And it changes, you know, we'll find out the severity,
I'd imagine when Kevin talks tomorrow or at least get
some vague idea of how long he's going to be out.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
Now, well, the question becomes, too, is can Dylan Gabriel,
who did get good work in today, can he actually
play a game on Saturday? Because if he doesn't, and
assuming you don't want to go with Joe Flacco, then
that means it's snoop Untley and whom I mean, it's
snoopunt probably the whole game, right, Yeah, you'd have to

(03:22):
think which would be if you think about it would
be a such a tough situation for the football team
because that does not aid in the development of anybody.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
Snop Huntley is unlikely to be on this roster week one.
I would say highly unlikely to be on this roster
week one, and that I don't think. I mean, all
you're trying to do is get a look at these
young quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
Now.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
Dylan Gabriel participated in all the eleven on elevens. He
was running sprintouts and boots. I mean, it certainly looked
to me like this is somebody that would be able
to go on Saturday.

Speaker 4 (03:51):
Andrew, yeah, he looked, Okay, it all depends on how
he feels when he wakes up tomorrow morning, how he
feels later on this evening after treatment. Dylan was on
the podium after and he was pressed repeatedly, are you
ready to go?

Speaker 5 (04:02):
Are you good to go? Can you play on Saturday?
What's the plan?

Speaker 4 (04:04):
And look he put his hands up and say, guys,
I don't know the plan, Like, well, we'll see, but yes,
I do feel better. I'm progressing every day. I thought
it was interesting as well. Both Somebody asked him, you know,
I wasn't it wasn't a bad question, a leading question,
but kind of with the preface, well, obviously you're frustrated
here at the hamstring and he cut them off and
he said, hey, no, no, no, just say you know, I'm
not frustrated. I'm not continue the question, please, you know, hey, like,

(04:28):
I'm living in the moment.

Speaker 5 (04:29):
I'm fine. Day by day, we're good. I'm getting better.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Yeah, it's I don't even know how to make sense
of this, guys. I mean, two quarterbacks with hammies and
now Shador with the oblique. Somehow the forty year old
is the only one who's healthy. It's just so crazy
run of bad luck, and I guess that's what it is.
And now you know, potentially it feels like you're going
to be deprived of seeing Shador at least this week.

(04:58):
I mean, obliques, that's never good, so you you're probably
deprived of seeing him this week, and it's it's another week.
That's I mean, my god, you really need to see
Dylan Gabriel playing that game on Saturday. I think I
think he needs it. I think the fan base needs it,
the franchise needs it, the team needs it. They need
to see these guys play a little bit. And I'm
with u Z, like the the the thing with uh
with Huntley, they're they're that that You're not getting anything

(05:21):
with that if he plays on Saturday, you're just.

Speaker 5 (05:24):
Going with emotions, which is a wonderful thing. But you're
exactly right.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
I mean, I think now Chador is if this oblique
is significant enough that Shador is unable to go on Saturday,
I think you gotta get Dylan Gabriel out there. He
was able to do eleven on eleven's today, he was
able to run I mean multiple boots. Where he was
he was scooting. One was basically a full sprint. Yeah,
threw it across his body and made a nice throwpen.

Speaker 4 (05:49):
And you hope he comes through it, Okay, Right, You
and I we were at one point early in the practice.
They're doing one on ones in multiple fields and we
look at each other like, what why is why is Snoopuntley?
Next third is one one and you can see Shaudor
on the far field or the far side of the
field rather with some of the tight ends and you
and I look at each other. We had a great
by the way, just great to see that one on

(06:09):
one work here and get a front row seat.

Speaker 5 (06:11):
But I'm like, wait, is he throwing over there?

Speaker 6 (06:13):
Like I don't.

Speaker 4 (06:14):
I don't think that he's throwing now. He was out
very early. Kevin was on the podium at nine to
thirty am practice. It was a slow roll. It did
not begin right at ten o'clock. But Shador was out
there doing his normal work and the normal stretch work
where he's got the throwing those where he's got like
the yoga balls whatever, you know, doing the work with
the shoulders and the elbows. You always see Dak Prescott

(06:35):
and the other veteran quarterbacks out there doing looked okay
then and then obviously something happened.

Speaker 5 (06:39):
I'm not a doctor.

Speaker 4 (06:40):
Generally speaking, obliques are not oh yeah, I'm good tomorrow,
much like hamstring. You never you rarely hear a oh yeah, hamstring. Okay,
but I'll be back out there tomorrow. So I don't
want to speculate because speculation is bad. But you hear obleak,
you generally think, all right, well, probably not playing this week. Yeah,
And I mean it just I guess I did just speculate,

(07:01):
by the way, but you know what I'm saying, No.

Speaker 5 (07:02):
But I mean that's what we've got to do at
this point. I mean, that's what you've got anything else,
but let me speculate, you know.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
And it's one of those ones where like I don't
know if it's always been this way, but it's it's
kind of one of those things when you do the
availabilities before practice, this is kind of what can happen, right,
I mean, like in I don't know if we've always
done it this way, Ze, you would know better than me.
You know, at Ohio State they always talk after practice

(07:29):
as opposed to before. But I don't know if this
is something we've always done before practice, in training camp
or sometimes after.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
As we've talked. We've talked before pretty consistently this year
we have about it. Yeah, because all the two o'clock
practice he'd be live on Browns, always the podium, and
even in the morning practices he would speak at nine
before the nine to thirty practice. So that's the way
that he obviously has wanted to do it. I think
it avoids being in situations where you have to comment

(07:58):
on what happened without watching the tape as most coaches
probably would want to do. You know, get you get
that in the game where they got to go to
the podium right after the game.

Speaker 5 (08:06):
I don't know, it is an interesting one. I mean,
there's not much more. He would say, he's got no bleaque. No,
he wasn't able to go Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 4 (08:14):
I'm chuckling here. Not not anything. Kevin has done it
more and more so. I had a flashback there of
Dave Wanstet covering him back in the nineties, and Dave
would just for any and everything, say I got to
go back and watch the film, and it was just
you know, you could have Raymond Harris run for four
hundred yards, buck guy, and then hey, Dave, what happened?
I got to go back and watch the film, Dave,
he ran for four hundred yards. Got to go back
and watch the film.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
To watch the film? Yeah, yeah, So this this changes
this week a great deal because you know what, what
I think we were all curious about is would his
REP count go up? Would it not just be the
count but also the quality of the reps? Would that
go up? Based on what we saw on Friday and
now We're not going to get an answer to that,
and so you're you're kind of in, You're kind of

(08:57):
on a treadmill here, not going anywhere in terms of
trying to see develop at that position in regard to
Sudborg Sanders. Now, for Dylan Gabriel, provided he can be
healthy this week and wakes up tomorrow feeling good, as
Andrews said, well now away you go, Bud, you got
a chance here to put a stranglehold on the backup
quarterback spot because can he Pickett? We haven't got into
that yet. He didn't throw today in any of the stuff, right,

(09:18):
No teams seven, yeah, same as he's been doing for
the same as he's been but again no eleven on eleven,
no team no. Yeah. So this is an opportunity for
Dylan Gabriel, not just in that sense, but also if
he is upright and ready to go Saturday, he's gonna
basically gonna get what Shoulder got last week, which is
the game.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
Which is good at least that is that's valuable stuff
for this organization. And if he goes out there and
he lights it up, you're gonna feel good about that.

Speaker 6 (09:45):
Now.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
I will say today was a rough day for Dylan
Gabriel and a rough day really for our offense in general.
I thought, I thought both defenses really were the stars
of the day. Our defensive front. You wanted to know,
like if our defensive front was legitimate, it is legit.
They were Miles absolutely harassing people. Think about not only

(10:06):
ye had Miles, Malie Collins was looking very good. Beyond that,
you had Mason Graham looking good. Alex Wright was making plays.
McGuire was making plays, Aiden Huntington, Cam Thomas had multiple
sacks up there. Carson Swessinger in some linebacker blitz situations
was getting to Jalen Hurt's Like our defense stymied their
first team offense. Stein There were really no plays over

(10:27):
the top, not many that I can recall.

Speaker 4 (10:29):
I mean, there was that Johnny Wilson play on Miles
hard and very I'm sorry, and Cam Mitchell very early. Yeah,
in practice law, you know, really before they got going
on team. You know, they might have write any plays
out there today that this was a much different practice
then the quick seven on seven, eleven on eleven, let's
get out of here before it rains again. In Carolina
session a week ago, this was hot. It kept getting

(10:50):
hot error as practice progressed, and this was a lot
of teamwork at a really really good pace. So talking
to Jamary Thrash afterwards, and and he said that it
took them a little bit, at least on the offensive
side to deal with the pace, the tempo, the heat
and everything. You thought they were fatigued a little bit early.
Flako kind of implied as much as well that this
was a really good test and you know, they got

(11:11):
to step it up a little bit more tomorrow maybe.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
And it was hot. I mean it was it was
so hot, so humid. I mean to think that that
was at ten in the morning and it was like
that was it was serious. I think some guys definitely
lost some weight out there today.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
Well think about Saturday at one if it stays that.

Speaker 4 (11:29):
Way, oh man through the week those humid Caldron Mattineze
in August.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
Yep, yeah, yeah, it does, all right. So one of
the things we just want to go back to the
picket thing for a second again, because see we have
talked about this for the last week, like if he's
not doing eleven on eleven this week in Philly, I mean,
now we didn't do it today and Joe talked about
this on the television version of the preseason game on
Friday night, about the severity of that injury, So that

(11:57):
was kind of our first hint that maybe this a
little more serious. But buddy, we're this is one joint
practice down. It's it's now two joint practices missed in
terms of team and one tomorrow with no indication that
he would get more. I mean, it's you, you coined it.
It's late early in a big way for Kenny Pickett.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
Yeah, and I think at this point, you know, we
said it. If tomorrow holds and he does not participate
in the preseason game, then I think that, you know,
by next Monday, or by Sunday, or even post game Saturday,
you could have, you know, the announcement of Joe Flacco
as the starting quarterback of the Cleveland Browns for the
twenty twenty five season. Now the injuries, and you know
what the depth chart looks like behind him, I think

(12:35):
is muddier than ever.

Speaker 5 (12:38):
Because you said, well.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
When you said Snoop Puntley won't likely won't be here,
I thought, well, hold on a second, we got to
get there.

Speaker 5 (12:43):
Yeah, same, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (12:47):
We got to get there, we gotta get their health down.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
I mean, I don't think anything's danger of being on
ir here from this quarterback room, at least as of
right now. But you're right, at the rate we are going,
quarterbacks dropping like flies and non context situations is really
a stunning thing.

Speaker 5 (13:03):
But this is a.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
If let's say Flacco was named the starter, like, at
that point, how does it go? How does what does
that depth start look like? We know that Picket was
kind of a competition to start, but I don't know
that you can assume automatically that he's the number two
because you want, I think in need to see these
young guys, but you know.

Speaker 5 (13:21):
Will Dylan be ready, will Shador be ready?

Speaker 3 (13:24):
It's just for a competition that you really wanted to see,
and we know it was really a two person competition.
It became a one person competition, I think with the
injury to Kenny Pickett. But even with Dylan and Shador
both now missing time and we don't know how long
Shador will be out, it's just unfortunate that you really needed,

(13:44):
I think, to get looks and to get to the
point where you could confidently go into season and say
all right, now, it's time to get a look at
this guy or that guy. And it seems like as
soon as we get momentum, it's it's gone.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Yeah. All right, So that's kind of where we sit
at the quarterback situation. I'm a glasses half full guy.
I thrive on enthusiasm. I'm an optimist by nature. You
mentioned the defense. This is what we were curious about, right,
I mean, this is what we were curious about, was
how would this defense which has wrecked our camp and

(14:19):
wrecked Carolina. But this is different. This is the defending
Super Bowl champions. This is the best roster in the
NFL by my estimation, and I think a lot of
people's estimation. How did the defense go? By the way,
did I see this right? Greg Newsom was not a
participant in the team?

Speaker 5 (14:35):
No?

Speaker 6 (14:35):
Correct?

Speaker 2 (14:36):
Okay, so even without Greg, and obviously you're down MJ two,
how did the defense hold up? You gave us a
little teaser there, sounds like more.

Speaker 5 (14:43):
Than well, yeah, just kind of going through my notes here.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
From the first seven on sevens, Devin Bush got an
interception of Jalen Hurts and in the seven on sevens,
I thought it was an overall very good session. For
the d nothing down the field, so they got a
corner round to Dallas Goddard on the last play. In
the first team period defense, Alex Wright was basically playing
as the starting defensive end opposite Miles Garrett. The whole
time was typically on the left side, rushing against the

(15:09):
right tackle.

Speaker 4 (15:09):
But they did flip that a lot a couple of
times practice. Miles lined up left and Alex went right. Yeah,
so they had they had in this period. They got
that deep ball that you talked about. Johnny Wilson, who's
like six to six guys.

Speaker 5 (15:22):
He's he's a tight end within twelve months.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
He is a six six twenty eight pound receiver out
of Florida State. It was a six round pick a
year ago. He looked, he looked solid. I will say
that he looked very good. I thought made that big
catchover Cam. Then you got a sack from Miles and
Carson Sweessinger, another sack from Swassenger of Miles pressure, and
then they were basically just forcing checkdowns and runaways and

(15:46):
they really weren't getting anything in the in the run
game either, which was good. In the second kind of
defensive team period, Leek Collins, who was in the backfield
a lot today, had a nice tackle for a loss,
and Mason Graham looked like he had a sack. My
next note was d line been dominant. Then they got
down into the red zone and there was a miscommunication.
Aj Dillon caught a little kind of flare for a touchdown,

(16:06):
but they really had nowhere to run, and our pressure
was immense on Jalen Hurts. In the third one, DeVante
Smith got a big kind of catch and run again
working against Cam Mitchell, who was struggling on the outside.

Speaker 5 (16:18):
I thought a little bit.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
Shelby Harris got to the quarterback, Holly, Ralph Holly got
to the quarterback Miles again to the quarterback Cam Thomas
for a second time to the quarterback.

Speaker 5 (16:30):
And then on the last one it.

Speaker 3 (16:31):
Looked like they had a sack from about five people
and Hurts tried to throw out of it. Hickman got
a pick. They're forcing check downs, blowing up screens. Another
Cam Thomas sack. He was all over the place. Tom
Jones had a PBu. It was just overall, I thought,
a pretty solid day, honestly for the defense. And on
the last play of the whole thing, Christian Holmes, who
just joined the team. The former draft pick of the

(16:53):
Washington Commanders out of Oklahoma State got a PBu. I thought,
all in all, defensively very very strong, offensively very much
a miss bag, although I would say the thing that
I thought we did the best standard was run. There
are a couple nice runs from Ford and a couple
nice runs from Dylan Samson.

Speaker 4 (17:08):
Dylan Sampson opened the eleven on eleven as the first
back in there, and then Jerome Ford swapped in pretty quickly.

Speaker 5 (17:14):
They were going back and forth. There was that one
Flacco kind.

Speaker 4 (17:19):
Of an out to the sideline to the left there
to to Jerry Judy that beat ringo or Ringo almost
got a hand on it. He was torched a couple
of times. Budge of Mark Chase this past Thursday in
the opener corner is an issue here potentially opposite twenty seven?
Why am I drawing play twenty seven? The second year
player Quinna Mitchell from Toledo. So Flaco through a couple

(17:40):
of nice balls, but yeah, overall the offense not a
lot to write home about. So Harold Fannon going into
the backfield and lined up as an h back as
an up back. That that was nice to see he
is going to be used a lot and in a variety.
I know you guys saw a lot of that as
well on Monday back in Bria. But they're gonna use
him all over the place.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
Yeah, I guess. So this kind of fits into everything
that we've talked about in the lead up, right, Zee
like this this notion of look, we're gonna play great defense.
We're going to try to win games by controlling the ball,
by controlling the clock, by getting off the field with
our defense, putting our defensive position to succeed. But then
you have to be able to have a couple of
things you can count on offensively. It's feeling more and

(18:24):
more like it's going to be Flacco that that's pretty
obvious at this point. Did you see enough? And again,
this was the biggest test you can have, right, I
mean this is the Eagles. Did you see enough or
did you see some glimmer of Okay, this is something
we can rely upon offensively to give us a modicum
of success.

Speaker 6 (18:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (18:48):
Good use of modicum, by the Yeah, it was very
good use of modicam. Yeah, we know what the formula is.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
And I thought in terms of the biggest thing to
watch today where the trenches and I up well there,
So I do think that this is a team that
is gonna be on that. And then with Flacco we
had it was kind of a mixed bag, right, but
the big ones there was a big deep over to
Judy and a big comeback to Judy. Those were the
big plays. But this is a team that's it's it's blueprint.

(19:17):
Bo is gonna be there is going to be a
blueprint for success. This is not a team that's gonna,
I think win games in a variety of ways. I
think it is going to win following a very very
particular model and.

Speaker 4 (19:29):
That online is gonna have to stay healthy. Let's just
call it like it is. Me mass to stay healthy,
I always feel, and today was a little bit different.
You gotta you don't get a real read and what
you can do in the run game unless you go
to a joint practice, unless you actually get to a game.
But you're not gonna play your ones in the game.
So what do you know?

Speaker 5 (19:46):
To me?

Speaker 4 (19:47):
The run game on week one is always a huge
question mark. You have stuff you have schemed up, you
have somef you're saving for week one against the Bengals.

Speaker 5 (19:54):
You have stuff.

Speaker 4 (19:55):
You're like, Oh, yeah, what is Al Golden gonna do
against this that you're not gonna see out here today? U,
there's no filming. Eagles went around today and we're telling fans, hey, hey,
put your phone down, put your phone down, stop filming.

Speaker 5 (20:05):
Yeah, I'm sure some stuff got.

Speaker 4 (20:06):
Out there, but teams are protective even these days and
what they show in joint practices. Browns don't play the
Eagles this year. You know, the huge question mark is
to me and I'm both like you. I am the optimist.
Monday was a good day for the offense. Today not
so much.

Speaker 5 (20:23):
Right it is, we got a couple of weeks to go.

Speaker 4 (20:27):
Do you just see run the ball, Play Action magic
and stuff that Kevin's got in his back pocket week
one and you kind of shock the world offensively?

Speaker 5 (20:37):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (20:37):
We have a long way to go before we get there.
My gut tells me, Yeah, you're gonna see some chunk
plays week one in both the run game and the
Play Action game. Matter of fact, I'm almost certain of it. Listen,
you know, today's not that day to see it. And
you didn't see a lot of you didn't see a
lot of electricity.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
Listen, the fact of the matter is when you have
Joe Flacco at your as your quarterback, it is not
gonna be.

Speaker 5 (21:05):
Dink and dunk.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
Ball control seventy five percent completions or seventy percent completions,
just it's gonna be Okay, we're gonna hit a couple
of these big shots and that's how we're gonna switch
the field and that's how we're gonna score. I mean,
when he was our quarterback, that's what it was. He
threw over three hundred yards every game, but there were
chunks every single game deep to Amari. Go to that

(21:28):
game the Texans, the first play of the game, Yeah,
was a sixty yard or to Amarri.

Speaker 5 (21:32):
Two, one hundred and sixty five yard Amari Cooper that day.
That's right.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
So that I it that it's gotta be. And when
you're talking about the Bengals, our defense I think is excellent. Yes,
we've held them down, but clearly the Bengals are doing
everything in this offseason as it relates to their football
team to avoid the pitfalls of their slow starts of
recent years and losing games like they did to the
New England Patriots that ultimately cost them the playoffs, and

(21:58):
I think when they look at their skins schedule and
they look at Week one in Cleveland, that's a game
they feel like they need to win if they want
to be, you know, competing for the AFC North title.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
So everything they did is everything they're doing in campus
to that Z. Yeah, that's it's a must win for them,
for sure. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 5 (22:17):
And so that's not a game I mean, and maybe
it is.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
You never know in the NFL how these games play out,
but that's probably a game you're not gonna win seventeen
thirteen mm hmm. It'd be nice though, to be fine.
I don't care if you win.

Speaker 5 (22:29):
It won nothing impossible, but who knows.

Speaker 6 (22:32):
Technically not.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
But you know, that's a game where it feels like
you're gonna have to you're gonna have to hit some
chunks and the defense has been their achilles heels.

Speaker 5 (22:41):
So that's a game.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
It feels like Joe Flacco should be able to be
prolific in that game, and we're gonna need it. We're
gonna need it.

Speaker 7 (22:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
It's just so interesting how what what we perceive and
it's one joint practice. But we're getting well into this.
We're middle of August now, and what what I think
Kevin thought this team would be offensively with primarily going
to be Picket and Judkins in a power run game
and don't turn it over and keep the ball and

(23:09):
maintain possession. It's having I mean, and this is what
the NFL is, right, You've got to be able to
adjust with what happens. And this is going to be
a little bit different than I think all of us
thought it was going to look a couple of weeks
ago in that opening when you take on Cincinnati, and
it's because there's no real other choice in the matter, guys.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
Yeah, It's one of those things that this is how
it ended up, right, This is exactly it ultimately turned out.
Due to factors beyond anybody's control or in those who
were overseeing this quote unquote competition, it really ended up
not being a competition. So whatever plan that the Browns

(23:51):
began training camp with and what they thought it was
going to be, which I think was that Kenny Pickett
was going to get an opportunity as a former first
round pick and still a young guy who could been
the answer here, that he was going to get his shot.
And you know, they really like Dylan Gabriels why they
drafted him in the third round, and that he was
going to get more work, and you know, injuries have
kind of derailed those and then Shador takes advantage in

(24:12):
Carolina and now he's hurt. So I don't think you
there's no way that this quarterback competition is unfolded in
the manner in which anybody thought it was going to unfold,
not necessarily in the outcome, right, there were certainly scenarios
in which Joe Flaco wins this competition, but just in
the fact that it's been derailed and never really even

(24:33):
got to be a competition.

Speaker 5 (24:35):
Joel the quarterback.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
I've talked about it in every ability, and the main
ability has been availability.

Speaker 5 (24:41):
Well, I said it last week too. If you go
back to Carolina Wednesday.

Speaker 4 (24:45):
In Carolina, there are eight quarterbacks on the field, the
five for the Browns actually Deshaun was there, six he
wasn't participating, and then the three for the Panthers, Bryce
Hung and Andy Dalton and Jack Plumber who played the
fourth quarter on Friday night in the Browns victory.

Speaker 5 (24:58):
Joe Flacco was the best of those eight. Do we agree? Yep,
he was the best quarterback of those eight.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
Yeah, I mean that's been the cases it's played out
here entirely.

Speaker 7 (25:11):
All right.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
So last thing is we put a ribbon on what
you guys saw today. We mentioned a little bit because
obviously the Chador stuff is the headline of the day.
You mentioned Gabriel and back in you mentioned him in
the boot game and that offensively, it was a bit
of a struggle.

Speaker 5 (25:25):
What did you.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
See from him? And and and now as you apply
that to his mentality of I mean, I assume in
his mindset he's thinking, I'm gonna play in the game
on Saturday, and I'm gonna play my way in to
be the backup quarterback of this team. I mean, I
think that's kind of the way that he's got to be.
That's got to be where his head's at. What did
you see positively? What did you see negatively from Gabriel today?

Speaker 3 (25:51):
Negatively I saw some air and throws, some over some overthrows,
some of the things we had seen at various times,
you know throughout camp.

Speaker 5 (26:01):
I'm going pulling up my notes here, all right. Gabriel.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
Yeah, a couple overthrows, a couple of checkdowns. I think
you know, in the tracker. They said he was six
of nineteen today. He had a real nice throw on
a touchdown to Gage Larvadan in the red zone in
the back corner of the end zone that was really
really nice. He actually had a nice ball to James
Jamari Thrash. I was about to say James Thrash Jamari

(26:27):
Thrash that was ripped on a deep dig that Thrash
dropped that he should have had.

Speaker 5 (26:32):
Judy dropped one early.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
They were just kind of out of sorts, but the
best one was definitely the throw to Larvdaan in the
back corner of the end zone. That was I think
that was probably the best that he did there. And
then he had a touchdown to Trayvion on like a
swing pass down near the goal line as well.

Speaker 5 (26:52):
Yeah, just it wasn't sharp.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
And then he had the one where he throlled I
want to say he was rolling left and threw back
right to Keishaan Johnson.

Speaker 4 (27:00):
That was a good play, a little shallow cross. Yeah, yeah,
that was nice. Listen, I really do think and people
are gonna think we're selling Sunshine after Nathan just you know,
listed his notes from Dylan Gabriel today. I do think
that there is a gamer aspect to Dylan Gabriel much
like Shador, that when we get out there, assuming he
is okay to go on Saturday, I think people are

(27:23):
gonna be pleasantly surprised. And I'm not just trying to, like,
you know, wish that into existence. The guy didn't throw
more touchdowns. Yes, he played six years, and any other
quarterback in D one history, but just being a slouch
when given an opportunity. Shador got an opportunity on Friday. If,
and it's a big if, this is Dylan Gabriel's opportunity,

(27:43):
and as a third round pick, he should get that opportunity.
I am excited to see I get the disappointment on Shador.
Both can be true. You're disappointed that Shador has this injury,
and I hope, I hope fans are kind of excited
to see what Gabriel could do because I think I
think he's going to do reasonably well.

Speaker 5 (28:04):
Don't shout it, oh.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
Oh, I think there. Of course they'll be Yeah, they'll
be jacked up. You'll be jack I mean, he's the
third round pick. The organization preferred him as a prospect
to Shadour. He's a quarterback. I mean, we've been looking
for one for only ever. So yeah, I think I
think there's going to be excitement provided he's the guy
on Saturday. And I think, you know, if if you
go back to conversations we were having earlier in the week,
or certainly Monday and Tuesday, are you know, the conversation

(28:29):
was this was a massive week for Dylan Gabriel and
Shador Sanders took advantage of a massive opportunity last Friday. Yes,
and now how can Dylan Gabriel take advantage of a
massive opportunity that's been in front of him, laid in
front of him.

Speaker 5 (28:41):
Now depend parallel the other way?

Speaker 3 (28:43):
Yeah, absolutely absolutely, And this is you know, I said it.
And even if Shador is out and not able to go,
Dylan Gabriel, let's say he does get the start this set,
there's gonna be a lot of pressure on him in
this game, just from outside noise, not internally. No, of course,
you want him to go out there and you want
him to play well in all of that, but I'm
talking outside noise standpoint. There's gonna be a lot of

(29:07):
pressure on Dylan Gabriel in this start. There just is
It's just the reality of the situation.

Speaker 4 (29:13):
It's going to be nationally televised again. What what what
the what was the rating at home for Share Friday?

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Yeah? Half the TV.

Speaker 5 (29:24):
I mean it's like the Oscars.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
Yeah, correct me if I'm right, that means that forty nine
percent of the households in the market had this on Roger.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
Yeah, means that means happen against.

Speaker 5 (29:36):
It's like a mash finale. Big Guards win that night
over the White Sox as well.

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Stefanski available with the media before the practice this morning
over in Philly. Here is Kevin on which quarterbacks will
play in the joint practices and who may potentially start
against the Eagles on Saturday.

Speaker 8 (30:58):
No major update will continue to be in there in
seven on seven. Dylan's doing better and we'll continue to
get more team reps. I think we have to get
through today and tomorrow Daniel before I know that for sure, Kevin, after.

Speaker 6 (31:11):
The Charlotte game. In Charlotte, you said she will get.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
Plenty of reps in the next game.

Speaker 7 (31:17):
Just picking him. Gabriel can't play, when would he start?

Speaker 8 (31:21):
Yeah, I guess if those guys could not play, yes, yeah,
and we're working through that.

Speaker 6 (31:25):
Tony.

Speaker 8 (31:26):
You know, we're always going to play our young guys
a lot in these games, so we'll see how it
shakes out.

Speaker 6 (31:31):
Here over the next couple of days.

Speaker 8 (31:32):
Is there some wisdom though?

Speaker 9 (31:34):
If Dylan is healthy, would you like to see him
get a.

Speaker 8 (31:36):
Start as well?

Speaker 9 (31:37):
Potentially?

Speaker 7 (31:38):
Yeah, potentially.

Speaker 8 (31:39):
Again, the plan was always to to give one of
both of those guys a start in the preseason, So
we'll see how it shakes out.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
All right, there you go. That again was from before practice.
That obviously changed with what happened in practice with the injury.

Speaker 5 (31:55):
He looks happy bear that just let out of captivity.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
And I'm sure, well, that would be a frolicking bear.
I I'm sure in that palatial suite you guys have
that you've got some sort of a massuse for him
that can give him a nice rubdown.

Speaker 5 (32:13):
Don't look at me.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
I didn't think you'd do it.

Speaker 6 (32:19):
The way did.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
These guys usually travel, they're in or they have massuses,
they've got chefs. That's usually how it works.

Speaker 4 (32:27):
He can go down to treatment, go down to Regen. Yeah,
if he needs to. I'm sure is he pleased? What's
his what's his level of pleased with the world today?
Bo wants to know, Gibbe, what is your level of pleased?
Are you pleased with the world? What is he How.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
Are you, what is give me a one to ten?

Speaker 5 (32:46):
Yeah, what was your mindset? One to ten? I hate
that phrase? But what is it?

Speaker 3 (32:51):
Hold on gibbe also one to ten? What would you
rate ten being breathable? Zero being not breathe How would
you rate the breathe ability of the new Nike parachute?
I will tell you what. My answer is going to
be zero. It's a I ripped it off. It was

(33:12):
like wearing you remember like back in the day when
you would see like wrestlers in high school and they'd
walk around in like garbage bags to try to.

Speaker 4 (33:20):
Yeah, for sure your raincoat last week, your garbage bag
exactly like me and my garbage bag last week didn't
need it.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
You're welcome me not bringing rain gear made that not rain.
You're all welcome there he is, Hi, give it? You
look like you've rolling around in mud?

Speaker 5 (33:35):
What happened? Okay?

Speaker 6 (33:36):
Rule number one when you're in an area like we
were at today that is nothing but gravel and then
dust and dirt everywhere. Don't wear the white polo. Well
you had to wear white because it bad decision.

Speaker 5 (33:49):
It was too hot to wear a dark color shorts.

Speaker 6 (33:53):
Roll around?

Speaker 5 (33:54):
Are those are those the lines?

Speaker 6 (33:55):
You're rolling cables. We had a movie, hear the one
actually working?

Speaker 5 (33:59):
Secilli? Are those in the line?

Speaker 4 (34:02):
These I'm wearing viwery core shorts. Yes, I don't even
know what the hell you're talking talking about? My undergod,
you should introduce yourself to this shorts.

Speaker 5 (34:12):
They're fantastic.

Speaker 6 (34:14):
Uh yeah, no, I'm I'm fine, But I think we
had a we had a really good morning. Unfortunately, like
the day is far from over. I wish that I
was just done for the day. But why what else
do you have to do tonight? Well, and I am
you have TV. I believe you also have podcast obligations

(34:35):
today after three o'clock tomorrow. Oh no, that's today. Oh yeah,
the look, the look?

Speaker 2 (34:43):
This is all I want.

Speaker 6 (34:44):
How about anybody you guys take camera? Yeah, they're they're
meeting about where to film it. It might be filmed
in this in my plush ap my room because we're
the only people that don't have roommates.

Speaker 5 (34:57):
What does that say?

Speaker 6 (35:01):
This is.

Speaker 5 (35:04):
Email? It's Wednesday's should be here. He's missing out on
all the fun.

Speaker 6 (35:09):
I'm not in charge of that one.

Speaker 5 (35:12):
Well, I'm just telling you last it's right there in
black and white.

Speaker 4 (35:18):
Baby, But I'll do it if that's what it takes
on YouTube, but it says video processing.

Speaker 6 (35:24):
Oh boy, there's just a lot of on the air.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (35:29):
Oh yeah, I listened. I listened the whole way back.
Everything sounded good. Gabe's doing to find job, Brock's doing
a fine job. Everybody's doing their role here.

Speaker 5 (35:39):
Now that everything worked out fine, I can tell Gibbey this.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
So I get here, I get into his room because
that's where the comrades is set up, and I have
to bring the hot spot in and all that. So
I bring his room, but I need my key also
to get into my room. So I then leave from
his room to go to my room to get my
iPad and my words and all that. Did you oh,
I didn't have time to shower. He's sticking, by the way,

(36:07):
it's not just me, it's the whatever player sat on
my seat on the bus before that. It's soaked into
my being that is now unsoaking into your couch.

Speaker 5 (36:15):
Awesome, somebodys the.

Speaker 7 (36:17):
Bus I was.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
I made sure I found a unsoaking into your couch, unsoaking.

Speaker 5 (36:25):
Painting the picture.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
So I came in here well before I had no
shirt on, and then I was like, maybe we got
to go with the shirt because I get caught in
the hall because I took your key to my room
and left my key in your room. So then I
asked the lady to let me into my room, thinking me,
I must have just left it back in there. No,
I go in there, so that I had to go there,

(36:47):
I said, hey, actually I'm actually also in the room
across the hall for real, like I'm telling you, is
that my lunches And she like looked at me like okay,
and then she let us in. But without that lady,
I thought I was gonna be down to the front
desk and being like I need a key for Jason
Gibbs's room. I'm not Jason's Gibbs, but trust me, he
wants me to have.

Speaker 6 (37:07):
I set all this up at about eleven o'clock last night,
and you guys executed the perfection. We really did. You
were like, I think we can make it. We're gonna
get on the bus. I'm like, okay, choice, what were
we gonna do? Uber lift?

Speaker 5 (37:23):
We made it. We made it with a half hour
of spect That's.

Speaker 6 (37:25):
That's what I mean. I couldn't have been more policed
with this.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
Incredible very much. Incredible. Bo, How are you I'm fine?

Speaker 6 (37:34):
All right, it's all good going for you.

Speaker 5 (37:38):
That sounded convincing.

Speaker 6 (37:39):
Yeah, that sounds great.

Speaker 4 (37:40):
This goes back to our conversation about fine, bo, are
you sure you're okay?

Speaker 2 (37:45):
Tell no, I'm I'm fine in the sense of what fine.
I'm fine. Yeah, it's good, all good.

Speaker 6 (37:50):
I mean it's good.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
It's hot here, but I'm not. I'm not in a
sack in the heat all morning like you guys were.

Speaker 5 (37:56):
And so No, I'm good.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
Brox here he's doing good, new games here, everything, it's
all wins. We're doing just fine.

Speaker 6 (38:04):
I can't get to wand turned around by two o'clock.
We're gonna work through that.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
Don't worry.

Speaker 5 (38:09):
How is Denzel?

Speaker 6 (38:12):
I think we had we did? Yeah, I would go Dylan. Uh,
we're gonna go Dylan. It too On the air, there
were people that decided just to move the podium today.
We had the podium set up and people that, uh
that worked for five minutes a day decided to move
the podium.

Speaker 5 (38:31):
Confirmed it's Thursday. I knew it. Nobody else thought it
was Thursday. Yeah, you to work out, baby.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
I think I'm doing a hit on on on Serious
at four and then we'll work out, and then we
got the show, and then we're going.

Speaker 5 (38:47):
To uh Zahab.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
We're having a good meal tonight and then Gibbet's joined
us tomorrow at Oh Baby, rice cakes with gooing them.

Speaker 5 (38:55):
Don't know what it is, but it is this morning.

Speaker 6 (38:57):
Did you explain last night's dinner last good tacos?

Speaker 5 (39:01):
I just want to say that. I bet if you
go back to two.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
Years ago the Browns Daily, after I went there with
the Hoff and Chris Rose, I think we did, and
the Hoff was on the Browns Daily, there was an
extensive talk of these rice cakes with Go guaranteed.

Speaker 5 (39:20):
This morning on the bus, he's going rice cakes with Goo.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
Yeah, basically, so I don't even know what times of priorities, priorities.

Speaker 5 (39:27):
Yeah, we ended up in a nice taco place last night.
A lot of fun.

Speaker 6 (39:30):
Shout out to Kennedy.

Speaker 5 (39:33):
Kennedy fantatastic.

Speaker 6 (39:35):
Yeah, picking out a good spot.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
All right, are we're gonna hear at the podium.

Speaker 6 (39:41):
That's fine. You guys can do whatever you want. I'm
gonna go grab lunchel.

Speaker 5 (39:48):
You guys handle this from here.

Speaker 4 (39:49):
Gibby is going to go line up for the Taylor
Swift album drop Oh in the Dura household.

Speaker 5 (39:56):
My kids were juiced?

Speaker 2 (40:00):
Is that's tonight?

Speaker 6 (40:01):
Right? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (40:02):
Yeah, they're saying, they're saying the over under on Apparently
you can wager on these things. Not us, we're not
allowed to obviously, but people who are able to wager
on such things that it will do more than twenty
six million views in the first twenty four hours.

Speaker 5 (40:17):
That seems like a lot, It seems I agree, it
seems like it is, like.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I will say our standards are low though,
because there's a kid who does like Crash Royal Breakdowns
on YouTube that gets like seven million hits. So I
don't even know what any of it means anymore. Guys,
I have no idea, but I'm guessing it'll be a
big laughs at all of us. Yeah, there you go,
all right? When we come back, Joe Flacco at the podium.

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(41:37):
Sure it's seeing more draft passes today than is seeing
the normal Browns practice.

Speaker 7 (41:41):
What do you attribute to it to?

Speaker 10 (41:43):
Okay, So, I guess I can think of a couple
off to listen. I think when you're out there competing,
you want to speed up a little bit. That's the
natural thing. And so like being in these environments and
learning how to like still go out and just play
within yourself.

Speaker 6 (41:56):
Is a learning It's a learning experience.

Speaker 10 (41:59):
I thought today was a good day for us, you know,
not not necessarily from that, but now that I think
about it, that also, but you know, the the amount
of reps we got today a good football team.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
It was.

Speaker 6 (42:10):
It was. It was a good test for us today.
It was a lot of good work.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
Do you feel like you guys will kind of put
your heights together and maybe in a meeting and have
resolved to play cleaner goal tomorrow when you.

Speaker 9 (42:21):
Come on here against these Stuys tomorrow.

Speaker 10 (42:23):
Honestly, Like I think you do that every time you go,
uh and look at the tape as you're trying to
clean stuff up. But like I said, I mean ultimately
like you're here to kind of find out a little
bit about yourself and and grind a little.

Speaker 6 (42:35):
Bit and and and have a tough day.

Speaker 10 (42:38):
And I really do think that when we look at
the film, we're gonna be able to find out a
lot about what we are and then just going through
that together and you know, having a good like I said,
good tough competitive practice.

Speaker 6 (42:47):
I think it was a good day for us.

Speaker 11 (42:48):
You sen say, a difference in intensity even from even
last Wednesday to this Wednesday.

Speaker 6 (42:53):
You know, the one in Carolina today.

Speaker 10 (42:55):
No, it was just a little bit different practice set up,
So it just kind of goes certain way a little
bit like that, you know, last I think last week,
you know, we came out and did a couple seven
on sevens and a couple teams, and it was pretty
kind of just like all right, boom boom boom. And
this week we kind of came out and had like
a pretty traditional training camp practice where we get we're
able to grind it through stuff a little bit. And

(43:15):
anytime you have those practices where you're running eighty plays,
you know you're gonna have some ugly and you're gonna
have some good. And it's that's why. It's about the competition,
and it's about kind of finding out a little bit
about what we are.

Speaker 12 (43:26):
Joe, I know you've did really good to see your
own defense today, but watching them, it looks like the
guys up front got quite a bit of pressure and
found some success on the other field. So just how
formidable have they looked throughout camp?

Speaker 10 (43:38):
And yeah, we've been going against them every day honestly,
And listen, I think if you look at both of
these teams, they got some really good players up front.
That's where football starts. It starts up front. So if
you can get those guys going, you have a really
good shot to be a good football team.

Speaker 6 (43:52):
And I think we got one.

Speaker 12 (43:54):
So what do you think you found.

Speaker 9 (43:56):
Out about yourselves today.

Speaker 10 (43:58):
As an offense, we learned something. I think we found
out like, hey, we can push through some stuff. I
think we also learned that, man, we need to learn
that to a certain extent. We need to learn how
to push through a little bit better, and you know,
and stuff like that. But ultimately it was good I
think we I think it was a lot of good
came from this practice. You need to have these types
of days where you come out here and grind a
little bit and and listen, like we were going at

(44:20):
a pretty fast pace here too, like on on our
side of the field, you know, so we're grinding like
I think everybody on that field could feel that a
little bit. And we want to be a team that
plays with that. So that's a positive to be able
to go out there and run that many plays in
that timeframe and be clean in the operation.

Speaker 6 (44:36):
I think that was really good.

Speaker 10 (44:37):
I think you could feel that on both sides of
the ball where guys, you know, it felt like we
were running a lot of plays, but it was it
went both ways. I think it was, like I said,
I keep saying it, but it was a good test
for us, and I think we found out that, like, hey,
we you know, we got some guys that can kind
of push through this when we need to league.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
A long time.

Speaker 9 (44:54):
Obviously, you're seeing so many different firsts and train hand
and joy practices all that.

Speaker 12 (44:58):
What do you feel you've given your.

Speaker 9 (45:01):
Experience, Like you specifically individually or in a team, gets
out of a joint practice versus like even a preseason
game with just like your standard treaming.

Speaker 10 (45:09):
Yeah, I think sometimes you know everybody these I would say,
I've never love like traveling and going and doing a
practice against somebody else. But it's kind of what we
talked about earlier on. You know, you have to in
order to play this game at a high level, you
have to be able to compete but also not have

(45:32):
your mind racing and get so repped up. Like it's
such an emotional game, right for pretty much every position
on the field, and you have to bring that to
the field. But how do you play with that emotion
but also be within yourselves and within the scheme and
within all that and then just concentrate on the basics
of catching the football and running with the football, Like
how do you balance both of them? And I think
being in an environment against a different team. It gives

(45:54):
you like that experience, and then you can look back
on it and say, man, why was I, Like, why
did I do this thing extra this time when I
normally would have just taken four steps and caught the ball.
Why did I decide to do a little bit extra
at the top of my route? Next time, I won't
do that, Like you don't need it, you know. Like
so anytime you have like actual competition, I think I

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think when you have guys that are willing to like
work through it and know that it's not always going
to be pretty, you find out a little bit about
how to like actually go into that competition and still
relax and play.

Speaker 12 (46:28):
Obviously, this quarter that kind of unique right from the start,
the number with the two drafters, you could do something
that as it has played out, as some of the
injuries have shifted the dynamics.

Speaker 5 (46:40):
How different as it felt to you as it affected
your preparation.

Speaker 6 (46:43):
It's interesting.

Speaker 10 (46:44):
I mean, I think you can probably sit up at
night and think about different ways to approach these types
of things. But all I'm doing is going out there
and trying to take advantage of whatever I'm doing, whatever
I'm preparing as normal training camp as normal. Whenever I
get the rep, go out there and do the best
you can play within yourself relax. I think it is

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hard when you're only getting a couple reps here and
there because you try. It goes back that you try
so hard to be perfect and then usually you end
up hurting yourself a little bit. But the last couple
of weeks, honestly, I mean it's been pretty good for me.
I've got to get more reps and get comfortable and
you know, feel like I'm I'm I'm doing things at
a pretty high level.

Speaker 6 (47:24):
So I can't complain they don't have an Obviously, your
competition going to quick like hurts.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
With the ninety percent of the reps today, how does
that contribute to the rhythm of the offense?

Speaker 10 (47:33):
Not just yeah, yeah, no, that's big, you know, like
it it's obviously advantageous to have a guy back there
ninety percent of the time and you get going with everybody.
You get to hear the cadence, you get to see
how he operates and see how he does through tough
times and good times, and yeah that that's that's all great.
But you know, in this league, you know the situation

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isn't always just laid out for you perfectly.

Speaker 6 (47:56):
You got to be able to.

Speaker 10 (47:57):
Adapt and and there's no excuses once once, once it
all starts, it's about winning football games, no matter what
you know, and and and that's the way I approach it.

Speaker 5 (48:08):
The team told us that.

Speaker 12 (48:09):
She suffered an opleague injury in early throwing drills. I'm
just wondering, you know, you know, how.

Speaker 7 (48:17):
Tough that much to be on short to have to.

Speaker 4 (48:18):
Deal with something like that.

Speaker 5 (48:19):
But did you have any more of encouragement for him?

Speaker 10 (48:22):
Did you know that was going on?

Speaker 12 (48:23):
And just kind of what are your thoughts on?

Speaker 10 (48:25):
Yeah, he said something about it, and I don't know
what can I do?

Speaker 6 (48:28):
You know, it's oh man, sorry, man, you know.

Speaker 10 (48:32):
It's uh, it's kind of tough, you know, like I,
we all want to be out there and getting reps.
But hey, that's what that's what training camp and football
is all about.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
You know.

Speaker 10 (48:41):
Sometimes you gotta Sometimes these things happen, sometimes you gotta
deal with them.

Speaker 6 (48:44):
And it is what it is.

Speaker 7 (48:46):
Dylan's coming back, you know, from the from a hamstring.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
How do you notice him kind of progressing, you know
as he's gotten back intoor, you know, into a flow
of getting more you know, team rep.

Speaker 6 (48:56):
You know, me and Dan we're just laughing.

Speaker 10 (48:57):
You guys like to ask me about these guys, and
what if I just said, like, you know, honestly though, guys,
you know we're we're in that room together and we're
all doing things together. But when it comes out in
this field, like I'm not super worried about what Dylan's
doing to get back from his hamstring, you know, like
I'm focused on us getting better and us doing the

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best weekend against Philly, and that includes him. Like you know,
you want to see him get there and have good
reps and do those things. But as far as like
him coming back and getting ready, like listen, I know
he's itching to get back out there. Like anytime that
when when you're young and you're in a you know,
you're in a quarterback room that's having a competition and
you don't get to be out there every day, that's tough,
you know, so you you know, my message to him

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would just be like, hey, don't press just go out
there and be yourself.

Speaker 6 (49:44):
Like just because you.

Speaker 10 (49:45):
Missed a little bit of time here and there, that
doesn't mean that you have to go out and do
extra when you get out there, just go play your game,
you know. And so if that if there was a
message for him, that would be it.

Speaker 9 (49:55):
From a measuring stick standpoint, I mean, how valuable is
this to go against the number one do comes from
last year?

Speaker 6 (50:00):
The Super Bowl Champions?

Speaker 12 (50:02):
For you guys to really.

Speaker 10 (50:03):
See where you're at, Yeah, I don't know, Like sometimes
when you get in practices like this, I don't know
if you can truly say, oh man, we won today
or we lost today. And but you can find out
about how tough guys are and the guys that stick
it out and really stick their nose in there and
and step up to the occasion of playing against a
good team and they're not afraid to do it. And

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you know, you don't think that would happen at this
level where you get guys that maybe get a little
bit timid in certain situations. But hey, people are you know,
human nature in some things. And so I think you
get to find out a lot about the mental makeup
of your team in these environments. And you know, once again,
I think that was a good job for us today.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Aup More, what was your impression of the Eagle's defense.

Speaker 6 (50:45):
They've had a lot of pieces changed the last year
for sure.

Speaker 10 (50:48):
You know, it's such a small sample size. They look
like they have some dudes up front, and they have
some experience in the back end, whether that's experience of
like years in the league or just guys that you know,
have a good feel for the game. And they're they're
very well coached.

Speaker 6 (51:05):
I know that. So they got a lot of things going.

Speaker 12 (51:08):
For him, Kevin said early on in camp, and he
wants to make a decision on who the starter is
sooner rather than later.

Speaker 9 (51:15):
You kind of get the sense that, especially knowing next week,
he kind of likes to treat as like a trust
rehearsal that this week is gonna source at the.

Speaker 4 (51:21):
Stage for that decision he made.

Speaker 10 (51:24):
Kevin, Kevin's Kevin Man. He's gonna He's the one in charge,
and I'm not really looking into when he's gonna do
things and why he's gonna do things. As I've said,
I'm just kind of going out there and being myself
and feel really confident about, you know, what I've been doing.

Speaker 6 (51:38):
So that's all I can do.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
He's a man, he's forty. He's past Karen Baby, He's forty,
Like he's I love it. He's fully formed. He doesn't
need the nonsense boys. He's worrying about his business.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
Of course, perfect great answer, real answer, and appropriate answer.
Like the trainers are worried about Dylan Tamstring, I'm worried
about playing quarterback for the Cleveland Browns.

Speaker 5 (52:03):
Like this is a competition and I'm winning it.

Speaker 6 (52:06):
And I like that.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
It's like, what do you want me to say?

Speaker 4 (52:09):
Like I feel for the kid, but like when I'm
out there, I'm not going to the line looking across
at Jalen Carter and then turning back around going Dylan,
how's your hammy?

Speaker 6 (52:19):
Right? No?

Speaker 5 (52:20):
No, no, no, that's funny. That is it's a funny thing.
I knew you guys would ask this.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
The thing that is funny is we all know that,
and probably younger players know that too. But he is
so fully formed and so comfortable in his own skin
and so past caring that he just says it like
a lot of people think it, but they just give
all right, let's play the game. I'll give you the
answer that you want. And he's just like, guys, come on,
what are we doing?

Speaker 6 (52:45):
Are we doing here?

Speaker 4 (52:46):
Can we also get out ahead of this right now?
I guarantee you that is going to be aggregated into
angry Joe Flacco doesn't care about it.

Speaker 6 (52:56):
Quarterbacks.

Speaker 5 (52:56):
I hope it is not. Please do not make it that,
because that's not what that was. I hope.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
I maybe I have a slightly more faith in humanity.
I don't think it will. I think everybody understands his spot.

Speaker 4 (53:09):
And but look, yesterday I literally said out loud, hey,
don't aggregate this, and then it was aggregated. You know,
that was totally taken out of context and edited words
put in my mouth as I said, hey, I looked
at the camera, don't take this out of content text
and aggregate this.

Speaker 7 (53:29):
But then it did.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
There at that point, you're asking, all right, all right,
we will hear from Dylan Gabriel about his health, about
what he expects for this week that is coming up next.
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The headlines over in Philly today at Joint Practices the
oblique injury to Shadeur Sanders Z was over there, Siciliana
was over there as well. Gibbet, Gibbet was over there.
When did you went what was kind of your view
of this Z? And when did you realize there was

(54:45):
something much more serious than potentially well, much more serious
than nothing, which is how the day started.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
We were confused, We had no idea. He just wasn't
taking reps and we're like, they're doing one on one,
what's going on here? Why isn't he getting any reps?
And then we acquired and people didn't really seem to know,
and is it injury?

Speaker 4 (55:02):
Is it discipline? Are they going to start him Saturday?
Therefore they just want to rest him, which wouldn't have
really made any sense. But everybody was, you know, I
mean left with with idle time here trying to figure
out what the heck's going on, coming up with all
the crazy theories, and then turns out something didn't feel right.

Speaker 5 (55:18):
I don't know. Did you see something not feel right?
I didn't know.

Speaker 4 (55:21):
I mean whatever, it happened, probably far away from where
we were standing, and he said something and.

Speaker 5 (55:26):
That was it. We never saw anything.

Speaker 3 (55:28):
It was really the only became a thing when we
saw that he wasn't participating in the one on ones.
So we're just like, I was like, I couldn't quite
understand when Tyler Huntley was third on one on. That's
when we both went like, wait what And we we
love Snoop, but there's no reason for him to be

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throwing one on ones ahead of Shador.

Speaker 6 (55:51):
We all know that, right.

Speaker 5 (55:52):
And then you were like, have you seen him throw
a rep yet?

Speaker 6 (55:54):
And I was like, no, is it?

Speaker 5 (55:55):
Have you seen him throw a rep?

Speaker 6 (55:56):
Right?

Speaker 2 (55:56):
You said it and I said, huh, yeah it was
kel Russo, who's our staff writer. Who When I saw
her tweet, that's when I became aware because I'm doing
the morning activities and I'm doing what you are, except
I'm doing it on air and I'm going, what.

Speaker 5 (56:09):
Is going on?

Speaker 2 (56:10):
Like, what's transpiring over there? It's crazy. So it wasn't
until I saw her tweet that I was like, oh,
that makes sense, and that's basically the life that everybody
lived was until there was some sort of definitive reason why,
you just were left to wonder what is going on?

Speaker 5 (56:26):
So you got it.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
It was bad news and so an injury there for
Shudor Sanders and who knows the severity of that. You
won't get an update from anybody with us until tomorrow,
I would assume on that when Kevin has this pre
practice availability. So that's kind of where that one stands.
So what you did get was Joe Flacco, who we
just heard his podium session. We're going to get to
Dylan Gabriel's podium session in just a second, but I
did want to. We went into the Z a lot

(56:48):
Monday and Tuesday talking about what a massive week this
was for Dylan Gabriel, not just with eleven hund Eleven's
but potentially also in the game on Saturday if he
can get there healthy. How did it start for Dylan?

Speaker 5 (57:02):
So, so Andrew feel free to jump in, I'll go
pull pull the notes up again.

Speaker 6 (57:06):
I'm with you, listen.

Speaker 4 (57:08):
I don't know that anything in the passing game. I
thought there was some one. I think all you take
Flacco pick at Gabriel. They all had good reps in
one are ones, especially Jude Judy continues again to be
the guy.

Speaker 5 (57:22):
Leave losing guys.

Speaker 4 (57:23):
I thought, I thought Cedric Tillman used his big body
well in one and ones as well. Uh but Deontay Johnson, Yes, absolutely,
But when it came to team drills, there just weren't
a lot of big pass plays, guys.

Speaker 5 (57:35):
There's no other way to say it. Joe Fla co
operating the offense a little bit better.

Speaker 3 (57:38):
Ye had the one deep one to Judy on a
deep cross that was like, definitely the play the offense.

Speaker 5 (57:43):
He had another deep comeback to Judy that just got
in over the hand. It raise good.

Speaker 3 (57:47):
And then you had the touchdown from Gabriel to Gauge Larvigan.
Those are probably the top three throws. More of the
highlights came honestly on the ground, as we talked about
Dan Samson Drove Ford both had some nice runs.

Speaker 4 (57:57):
And then defensively, guess you know, Nathan and I we're
standing in between the two fields, and we're kind of
like you know, ping pong and back and forth. Look here,
look there, Look here, Look there, like a metronome swinging.
And every time you looked over to the defensive side
of the field to our right, you saw Miles Garrett,
Carson Swestinger in the backfield. You saw the defense flying around,
and then you flip it over to the other side,
you saw the Eagles defense flying around. So basically, on

(58:21):
these two fields, it was the defense ruling.

Speaker 5 (58:24):
The day, yep.

Speaker 4 (58:25):
And it's it's not as if there weren't any positives
or good plays to report back with the Browns offense.

Speaker 5 (58:33):
There just weren't that many chunk plays at all.

Speaker 3 (58:38):
For either side to be I mean, for further side,
it was a day of the defense. That's really kind
of how I grated it. That's how I saw it.
It was a day of the defense. And that's good
news for our defense because that's a very good offense.
And obviously we know that, Like I don't think anybody
would preseason have us as a top sixteen offense in
the NFL. And I think that that's you know, reasonable,

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that's that's just unfortunately, that's the reality of it. We
kind of looked on par with that. We had our moments.
I think we did some things that would have allowed
us to be efficient, but really, to me or it
was our defense that was the story. For Dylan, it's
you know, man, was he good on Monday? And I
thought that was kind of a high pressure situation for him.
M hm, coming off of Shador's game Saturday and all
the buzz. But today mix, I mean, I think they

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the tracker again had him at six of nineteen. He's
had a few days where you're just the completion percentages
don't even make sense really for the situations. You know,
he had the one where three of fourteen he had
a day. Dylan Gabriel is obviously talented. He was very
successful in college, big time programs. You know what you
hope now is that with this injury to Shador, that

(59:48):
he is absolutely able to go, and you hope, let's
get him fifty plays, let's.

Speaker 5 (59:51):
Let him get into it.

Speaker 3 (59:51):
I would love to see that because Chador, for example,
you know, when you go back and watch it, I
think we remember all the good, but it took a
little while to kind of get things going.

Speaker 5 (01:00:00):
And then what it did I thought it was very good.

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
So I'd love to see him get that type of
real opportunity over an extended period.

Speaker 4 (01:00:11):
And you know there are you know, Mi Mi Kylie.
Charles Robinson at Yahoo said yesterday that you know, under
the assumption that Shudor was going to play, and who
knows now that hey, Vic Fanjo is gonna thump some
curve balls, right, Vic Fanjo wasn't gonna just play off
Panella and he did that a little bit last week
again Carolatti as well.

Speaker 5 (01:00:30):
Well, Carolina didn't play Vanilla Carolina right a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:00:33):
But that Fangio you know, obviously did some stuff last
week against Cincinnati and that he was going to do
that this week against shud Or.

Speaker 5 (01:00:39):
Well, you know what, do it against Dylan Gabriel. Let's
see what he can do.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
Speaking of Dylan Gabriel, he was at the podium after
today's session. Let's have a listen a.

Speaker 6 (01:00:49):
Little slot in the offense, did you Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:00:53):
I think always there's things you'll you'll take away from
practice that you want to clean up and get better from.
But uh, that's that's just everything any practice game walkthroughs.
There's good, there's bad, and there's things that you want
to improve on so doing.

Speaker 9 (01:01:07):
There's been obviously a new development today with the team
telling us.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
That you should your suffer no league injury early on uh.

Speaker 12 (01:01:14):
In throwing drills and and I'm not sure what you
know when you don't know, but it looks now like
you're probably gonna get the start on Saturday, and.

Speaker 4 (01:01:25):
So can you just talk about the opportunity that that
presents for you.

Speaker 13 (01:01:29):
I have no clue what's gonna happen. I'm just right
where my feet are. But time will tell and and
we'll see, uh what happens. But that's up to the coaches.
And you know, we got uh a lot of time
to that point.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
And if you do get to start, what what are
you looking to show?

Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
You've been out for a little bit, your own hair straight, yep,
how frustrating has that been?

Speaker 4 (01:01:50):
And what are you looking to show you do get out?

Speaker 6 (01:01:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (01:01:52):
N no frustration, just things that uh you gotta get
better from, you know, and things that uh you got
to attack. You know, there's times are you trying to
get better and things don't go your way in that way.
But it's just daily work to to try and get
back and I try to just stay.

Speaker 6 (01:02:09):
In the moment.

Speaker 13 (01:02:10):
I'll look forward to that moment once it comes and
be right where my feet are. But you know, I
I just I've known the best competitors have been be
present and be themselves by competing on a high level,
just one play at a time.

Speaker 6 (01:02:24):
So we'll see we we'll know here soon.

Speaker 12 (01:02:29):
If you ever dealt with a hamstring injury or another
soft tissue injury like when you were in college.

Speaker 13 (01:02:33):
Or anything, yeah, occasionally, occasionally, I think when you're competing
for a long time, there's times that within you know,
the college periods or it's training or whatever it may be,
where you just you have some time away and then
you get right back.

Speaker 6 (01:02:49):
So it's just working through that process.

Speaker 12 (01:02:51):
Just based on how you skelped out there today or
you feel like it. Heay, do you want to throw
you're out there to start this game?

Speaker 5 (01:02:57):
Do you feel physically like you you'll be up to that.

Speaker 13 (01:03:00):
I don't know if I can answer that question, but
I will say I do feel better from from day one,
and it's just been a good progression. So you just
want to keep stacking it that way and keep feeling better.
So I want to continue that trend.

Speaker 6 (01:03:13):
Who was the frustration like you know, while you're kind
of heavy, don't wait, you know, come there, there was
no frustration, but keep going.

Speaker 3 (01:03:19):
Sorry, no, I mean just I mean you've talked a
lot about mental repsy, do you know, stealing.

Speaker 6 (01:03:24):
Reps and everything like that. When you're injured, you know
you at least worry I'll be able out there and
kind of watch the plague, you know, in in real time.
How much did that help you kind of stay not
fall too far behind? Yeah?

Speaker 13 (01:03:41):
I think for many people in any situation you ever,
you either look at things as a threat or an opportunity,
and emotionally healthy mind always sees his opportunity. And for me,
I just continue to try and be in that mental
mindset and headspace and every day is an opportunity. When
you wake up you can get better, you know, just
coast And for me, I'm always trying to get better

(01:04:03):
mental reps. Whatever it may be, even in the training
room right or in the weight room, there's things that
you can get better at. So that's what I'm focused on.
And because I have that good headspace, I'm I'm just
always focused on that every single day.

Speaker 12 (01:04:15):
How much do you feel for for your door that
he comes here for these important practices.

Speaker 6 (01:04:20):
Yeah, it's it's the worst worst part about football is injuries.

Speaker 12 (01:04:24):
So do you feel at the stage of preseason this
is a critical week for you?

Speaker 13 (01:04:30):
Every every day is critical though, you know, so you
cul you probably asked me that next week and the following.
Every single day is critical and you have to approach
it every single day like that, cause it's all you
got right and you're only as good as your last outing.
So yes, every day, every everything's critical. Everything's important, and

(01:04:52):
it's got to be that way when you're playing against
high level team every single week.

Speaker 6 (01:04:56):
Do you guys feel like.

Speaker 10 (01:04:57):
You are gonna have a resolve like and you get
together as an penstiment the results.

Speaker 12 (01:05:01):
Come back and be like cleaner ball tomorrow and hang
on to it better and all of that.

Speaker 13 (01:05:06):
Yeah, that's it's always our approach. You don't go into
a practice thinking, hey, let's just give you know what
I mean, there's a way in which you want to practice,
but you know you gotta go do it.

Speaker 6 (01:05:17):
You know, that's the that's the end.

Speaker 13 (01:05:18):
It's got to translate from the class to the field
and you gotta you know, approach a certain way because
you know there's small details that could be the difference
and you don't know what will add up to be,
you know, the difference in winning or losing.

Speaker 3 (01:05:31):
You can talk to Cage on one.

Speaker 9 (01:05:33):
Day what I'm just said, I think you should or
everybody's kind of build a breaking camp shootings.

Speaker 6 (01:05:38):
I really saw it.

Speaker 9 (01:05:38):
Can't just wasn't been like to watch him sort of
undrafted and rookate, sort.

Speaker 13 (01:05:43):
Of developed and hemorrow what's extremely competitive. I think he
approaches every single day a certain way and you can
feel that as a quarterback and you appreciate it, and
you also want to get the ball to him because
you know he's gonna make a play if there's a
certain alert or a time where you can, you know,
maximize his ability. And I think he's just been just

(01:06:04):
very consistent and that's what you need and a guy
like him and he's he's done that every single day.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
All Right, There you go, Dylan Gabriel from the podium.
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Speaker 3 (01:07:09):
So happy to be joined by the great friend of
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Speaker 5 (01:07:13):
Dwand it's hot out here.

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
You are right off the practice field, So we're going
to keep it brief because it was sweltering. What was
it like to be out here in these conditions and
getting work against the Super Bowl champs?

Speaker 7 (01:07:23):
It was good. They had some great rushers.

Speaker 11 (01:07:25):
You know, they got one of our former guys, Obo,
and you know, they got Josh Uch you know, came
from the Patriots, and just a couple other guys. But
you know, they're a great team, the great defense. So
it was good to get a good lookie or a
better look. You know, it's just you know, some different
beside the norm. How did you feel kind of as
you walking off? I know you'll look at the film
and all that, but how do you feel about how
you guys?

Speaker 6 (01:07:43):
Did? You know?

Speaker 11 (01:07:45):
I stuff to fix on the field team wise, but
you know, my SAIDs passes. I feel like I've really
gotten better and developed that. That's where my main focus is.
Just keep developing that and just you know, stacking the
days and stacking the reps.

Speaker 3 (01:07:56):
So you didn't have him here literally over your shoulder,
but you did last week with Joe Thomas where he's
still hearing his hearing his voice in your head out
there today.

Speaker 11 (01:08:02):
Yeah, so a lot of stuff just like you know,
just keeping square and stuff like that. You know, I
got quite bat once today, But besides that, you know,
everything else, I was just trying to, you know, keep
keep with Joe told.

Speaker 3 (01:08:11):
Me so, go back to last week. It is not
often that somebody gets to have an opportunity to work
with a Hall of famer like that. And I told
you earlier today he had as much fun as with
it as you did. What was that kind of like
for you?

Speaker 7 (01:08:23):
It was dope. You know that he has that type
of trust and he believes in me.

Speaker 11 (01:08:27):
You know, he knows that, you know, I could be special,
and you know that really helps me out, just knowing
that there's other people besides you know, the coaches and
stuff like, there's outsiders, the Hall of famers that you
know are wanting to push me to be you know,
great and good and I love that and I can
only just embrace it and get better.

Speaker 3 (01:08:41):
So when we were out at dinner last week, he
was just like, I just told man, you just get
back to your spot, let him come to you, and
then eat them up. Is that something you've been working
getting that kickback so you can be where you need
to be. H take two square kicks and you know,
just bring it on. Yeah, be at my point. Like
you said, you know they can't really go through you.
So you know that's really been my game plan. So
when you gotta go like Joe Thomask, you've been next
to Joel Buttonio, you know, now that's gotta be fun

(01:09:04):
where you are kind of like a sponge because I
tell you what they all wish that they were this
mountain of a man that you are, you.

Speaker 11 (01:09:11):
Know, stand next to Joe, you know, honestly, it just
it really helps me out. I take stuff from his set.
How his feet move, you know, I tell him all
the time he got basketball player feet. You know, I
wish my feet move like his, for me to play
be an ex basketball like a real ex basketball player,
like you know, Joe ain't played in years. So it's definitely,
you know, a nice work next to Joe and just
see him moving and do his crafting piece.

Speaker 5 (01:09:31):
Did you guys ever talk about it? Take going one
on one?

Speaker 7 (01:09:34):
Joe don't want to. Joe don't want to play that
you don't want all right?

Speaker 3 (01:09:38):
I noticed after practice you were talking with Jordan Maliatta,
who's another big tackle who's going on to become really
one of the top tackles in this league.

Speaker 5 (01:09:45):
What were you guys talking about?

Speaker 7 (01:09:46):
We actually talking about.

Speaker 11 (01:09:47):
I was asking how you got like a six pack almost,
and he was like, you know, this is his diet.
And you know, we're real big fellas. And I used
to swear that I was smaller than him, and you know,
I got went up next to him. I'm actually bigger
than him. So I'm just like, what would you do,
you know to get down and he was like, you know,
just diet and I'm like, I can hit you on
Instagram like yeah, of course, and you know, so I'm
just building that relationship, you know, just trying to work

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from the.

Speaker 7 (01:10:08):
Best and just take what that guy and put it
in my game.

Speaker 5 (01:10:10):
It's school if there's a brother.

Speaker 3 (01:10:11):
And then by the way, he would say, if he
didn't have respect for you and what you could be,
he would say, no. You know, it was a good
affirmation you had fun obviously in Charlotte as well your
NASCAR dreams. We're gonna put those on hold for a
little while. We have a lot of work to do here.
But you look like a kid in a candy sor
How cool was that?

Speaker 11 (01:10:26):
It was a dope experience, you know, just from you know,
experiencing a pit crew and just you know, being able
to do stuff like that.

Speaker 7 (01:10:32):
And you know, that gas can was heavy.

Speaker 11 (01:10:34):
You know, if you were giving me crap, but that
gas can was heavy, and you know, and you got
to see his collection that was that was pretty dope
in my opinion. You know, the collection of cars, and
then you know him having a guitar collections really kind
of threw me for a loop. You know, the Zach
brown brand.

Speaker 6 (01:10:48):
Uh.

Speaker 11 (01:10:48):
We played Chicken Fry after Ohio State dubs and so
it was pretty dope to see the Zach brown Man
guitar in there.

Speaker 7 (01:10:54):
So I really like that.

Speaker 6 (01:10:56):
That's good.

Speaker 3 (01:10:56):
All right, you're gonna go shower. Now, you're gonna go
cool down and let you go. You watch the tape.
When last week was just one day, now it's two days.

Speaker 6 (01:11:03):
So is it?

Speaker 5 (01:11:04):
What's the is the mindset?

Speaker 3 (01:11:05):
Okay, let's take what we learned trying to come out
and apply it or or how excited are you to
get another look at him?

Speaker 7 (01:11:09):
Same thing?

Speaker 11 (01:11:09):
Like you said, take what we learned, go to a film,
you know, learn on it, fix it the next day,
you know, just stay on it and.

Speaker 7 (01:11:16):
Go next week.

Speaker 5 (01:11:17):
Juwan, thank you for the time.

Speaker 6 (01:11:18):
Go get go get cold.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
Thank you, go get cold?

Speaker 5 (01:11:26):
He was first do want is a big guy?

Speaker 6 (01:11:29):
Yea.

Speaker 5 (01:11:29):
It is very hot out there.

Speaker 3 (01:11:30):
Number one, number two the home team in this case,
philadelv Eagles wisely war white.

Speaker 5 (01:11:37):
So we're an all brown. I mean that is a
it's a dark chocolate.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
It is a chocolate. You you know, I was thinking
as you were interviewing him, and first of all, was
a funny thing about how Joel doesn't want any part
of the basketball with him, and that's fact. Duwad was
a ridiculous basketball player in high school. But I was
also thinking about as you were talking to him about
his access to Joe tom his proximity to Joel Buttonio.
What a spot for a young player like you want

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to be able to just soak it all in And
as we talked about yesterday, like he's kind of the
only real, yeah, future piece for sure going forward. So
this is as good of a start, as advantageous as
started to a career as you can have in terms
of learning from folks who have walked in your shoes.
At the most elite level possible.

Speaker 6 (01:12:26):
He is.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
He's an incredible piece of clay, and he's being molded
by some of the best people in the business.

Speaker 3 (01:12:32):
Yes, And I think that it's because they see the
potential in him that they are willing guys like Joe
Thomas and Joel Botonia to invest so much of their
time and share their wisdom because they know that that
is that's it's number one. It's not falling on deaf
ears he is, he has the respect and is putting
in the work to better himself and that they really
believe this is a guy that can be a perennial

(01:12:56):
pro bowler. And so that's it's a great thing for
the brown And you know, even though hoff is right now,
I think he's at north of the border doing some
fishing and I believe he caught up the two inches.
He was very excited about that. Cameron got his daughter.
Cameron got the biggest fish so far.

Speaker 6 (01:13:11):
But he.

Speaker 3 (01:13:16):
He's still in contact with him and he's still you know, yeah,
it's it's a it's a cool relationship. And I for
as you know, how much I love to want and
any of the hops like family. So to have them,
you know, this joint relationship and working together, I think
is really really awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
It's just incredibly beneficial. For it's so beneficial Fordwan and
and his ceiling and what he can be in the
ceiling with him is truly as high as he wants
it to be. That's how much talent is there. We'll
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Speaker 7 (01:14:49):
Is would it be?

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
Do you think I was thinking about?

Speaker 6 (01:14:51):
This?

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
Is Philadelphia? The fourth number four in the list of
best movies filmed in a city New York, LA and Chicago.
I would think would be one, two, three, But I'm
thinking Philly might be four. You've got all the Rockies.
You've got obviously Philadelphia. You've got Silver Linings Playbook. You've

(01:15:16):
got Trading Places, which is an all time pantheon film
for me. You've got Creed and all that.

Speaker 5 (01:15:26):
It might be.

Speaker 6 (01:15:27):
It might be four.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
It's not ready to challenge New York, LA or Chicago yet.
They just have too much. But it feels like it
might be fourth.

Speaker 6 (01:15:37):
I like that they say National Treasure with Nick Cage.
Part of that was filmed here.

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
That's a fun one for the kids. If you have kids,
that's that's a really fun one. Yeah. Sixth sense Oh
I put just pulled up sixth cents twelve Monkeys Philadelphia.

Speaker 6 (01:15:55):
Every time we passed that building, I might fanboy out.

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
That still holds up so lovely. Oh yeah, you know,
it's a hole in my resume. I've not been to Philly.
It's really I've been in the vicinity, but I have
not been to Philadelphia. Do I need to I've been
here quite a bit, Like you're there, Yeah, you're there

(01:16:24):
now because of this, But like, do I need to
go out of my way to go there. If I
go there, will I just be pleasantly surprised.

Speaker 5 (01:16:30):
I think you'll be pleasantly surprized. Good, very good food.

Speaker 3 (01:16:33):
Town, cool history, like to see the Liberty Bell and
where the Declaration of Independence, you know, Freedom Hall.

Speaker 6 (01:16:39):
There's a lot here. Yeah, and you stumble upon things
as you walk around like. It's a great walk around city. Yeah,
especially downtown. There's just so much history.

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
Yeah, over greater or less than Boston.

Speaker 5 (01:16:54):
I don't know. I don't know. In my resume, I've
never been. Oh you've not been to Boston, No, which
is ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
That is ridiculous. I think, Yeah, I think that that's ridiculous.

Speaker 5 (01:17:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:17:05):
I've had a couple stops in Boston, like overnights and whatnot,
but never anything long enough to maybe. Oh really, I
hate I hate. I don't like the people in Boston.
I hate that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
That's what's gonna get aggregated.

Speaker 6 (01:17:19):
Yep, give it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:20):
Doesn't like the producer. That's like the people in Boston.

Speaker 6 (01:17:22):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
Boston's pretty great. It's really it's a lot bigger than
you realize, and it's easy to get around with the
public transit. Roads are a little crazy. But my guess is,
like Philly, the history is just dripping everywhere you go.
So I wonder if those two have a little bit
of something in common. All right, let's do around the
league here quickly, gentlemen. To the surprise of no one,
James Cook agreed to a four year, forty eight million

(01:17:45):
dollar extension. I wish we could get to a point
where none of these we could just understand that none
of these holdouts or hold ends matter at all. They
just don't, So don't take the bait on it. Jerry
Jones had had a lot to say in Dallas. I
don't know if you guys cut all of that.

Speaker 5 (01:18:00):
The drama he's got stirred up every now.

Speaker 2 (01:18:02):
Of course, he loves stirring up the drama. His team
is worth They had a stat today he bought the
Dallas Cowboys for one hundred and fifty million. For every
dollar he spent at the time of purchase, it's now
worth eighty seven dollars. So that's that's a pretty good
return on investment for Jarra. He's got his Netflix stock
and all of that. I didn't realize this for all

(01:18:23):
of this that's being reported as if you know him
and Michah Parsons can't see eye to eye and Michael
Parsons it's personal. You've seen get up and stuff. Talk
about this.

Speaker 6 (01:18:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
I saw him to a Dallas guy this morning and
he goes, he goes. Mike is at every practice in Oxnard.
He's with the team.

Speaker 5 (01:18:40):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
Like, how bad can it be?

Speaker 6 (01:18:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:18:44):
Clearly not that bad.

Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
No, no, not at all.

Speaker 6 (01:18:51):
So Jerry today said he he said he I heard
he had said he had cancer. I didn't realize he was.

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
Stage four stage four milanoma.

Speaker 5 (01:18:59):
Yeah, who does?

Speaker 6 (01:19:00):
Jerry Jones had it. He beat decade and beat it. Wow,
had four surgeries. Experimental drugs saved my life.

Speaker 5 (01:19:08):
Well, he needed to be in Land Man.

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
He was great in Land Man. Should have won and
they should win an Emmy for that. Honestly, for that scene,
I think it was as perfect to bacted scene as
you're ever going to see. And he's got his Netflix
series is out.

Speaker 5 (01:19:22):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:19:23):
That dropped too. So yeah, he's having now his team
isn't going anywhere, but his The rest of it's all positive.

Speaker 5 (01:19:30):
We almost live in an era withers too much content.
There's almost too much we got that dropped that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
Don't the Chiefs have.

Speaker 3 (01:19:37):
A documentary like The Kingdom, You've got that one. There
was a Celtics one I wanted to watch. There's just
there's a lot of stuff out there.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
It's it's it's crazy because I actually talked about this
earlier in the week. In the morning, I was bouncing around,
you know, the sports tier on my base on my
cable package and would bounce in and watch like Big
ten Network at Ohio State eight or Big ten Network
at Penn State. And then it was on the same night.
It was actually last Tuesday. It was the same night

(01:20:05):
that like Hard Knocks dropped, and you got to look
at that and there was a time when this stuff
was just so revolutionary because you had never seen all
the behind the scenes. But now everything's behind the scenes
and everything. I mean, there is so much to your point,
there's so much sports content out there, so much behind
the scenes content out there, quarterback receiver, like, it all

(01:20:27):
just seems so overwhelming that for me, like, if I
don't catch it right away and get locked into it
right away, I just I miss it. That's kind of
where I am totally, Like I didn't watch Hard Knocks
last night. I forgot it was on. I watched, I
ended up, I remembered late and I watched like fifteen
minutes of it and it was just like a fifteen
minute cut of practice. There was nothing revolutionary with it,

(01:20:48):
but it was. It was fifteen minutes of practice. Like, Okay,
I probably am good, and it's just we're you're right z.
We're hit over the head with so much content right now.

Speaker 3 (01:20:56):
I haven't and hard Knocks used to be so can't
miss at this. At the other time, it's there's just
so much content now that and there's so much football content.

Speaker 6 (01:21:09):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:21:09):
We're working on our documentary with the Browns, you know,
Man under Center about the quarterback battle, and sure it's
going to have some documentation of all these injuries and
all of that, but.

Speaker 5 (01:21:22):
There's just there is there's so much content with it
right now.

Speaker 2 (01:21:26):
Yeah, yeah, there is.

Speaker 3 (01:21:28):
And by just say real quick, like the Cowboys documentary
and in the like the Chiefs documentary. I'd much rather
watch that in May when I'm missing football and I
can relive it, you know, than now.

Speaker 2 (01:21:49):
I cann't agree with you more. It's it's it's the
wrong time a year for it for me too. Like
the Jared doc. I mean, I'm and then i'm the
other thing about it whether and I don't know what
what the Jerry Doc's all about. But we we're in
this era now where it's sportswashing, where it's started with
this the Jordan one, where it's like it's it's not
a lie if you believe it, or it's I'm gonna
tell the story the way that I remember it versus

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the way it actually happened.

Speaker 6 (01:22:13):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:22:14):
So I think those things also kind of feed into
that a little bit, don't you think, Like what am
I actually getting here? I'm getting your version of the truth.

Speaker 3 (01:22:21):
Yeah, and I'm sure it'll be entertaining, Like there's I mean,
the playmaker alone is gonna be worth a price of
admission on that one. By the way, can I just
talk about something I just so, I pulled up ESPN
dot com while we were talking. All Right, this is
the first headline on the top headline section. I'm gonna
read it verbatim. Right, Brown's quarterback Sanders injures oblique skips practice.

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
No, that's not it, that's not what happened.

Speaker 6 (01:22:46):
That is incorrect.

Speaker 5 (01:22:47):
Skips practice makes it sound like I just decided to
not practice.

Speaker 3 (01:22:53):
Yeah, just I'm skipping practice. No, sure's unable to practice
injures o bleak unable to practice, right, Yes, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:23:04):
That's but I mean that's what we do, right, I mean,
we were getting a click on that, and then that's
the win for the people who write the headline because
that's what their concern is. So that's part that's a
little tricky, so silly, and I know he's not in
the room, but I see he's weighing in on the Cowboys.

Speaker 5 (01:23:18):
He went to the Cowboy here Monday. I saw that
on his Insta. So it's really good.

Speaker 3 (01:23:23):
Episode three is all the ninety two NFC Championship game,
amazing stuff with the forty nars.

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
I'll that's that's like, that's now I'm into that.

Speaker 3 (01:23:30):
I'm definitely into that. But at the same time, you know,
not now though you hit me over the head with
I think I'm out. I think I'm out ninety two.

Speaker 2 (01:23:45):
Ninety two. When did Joe leave ninety one or when
did he leave?

Speaker 3 (01:23:49):
That's what I have to It's I'm licking. Maybe I'm
still in. Maybe I'm still in in ninety two. If
our internet could give a what's happening the internet awful.

Speaker 6 (01:23:58):
We can't get onto the one account we're normally good
at using for being on the road.

Speaker 5 (01:24:04):
Now I'm out out a trade. MVP can't even go
to the super Bowl that year.

Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
The trade took place on April twentieth of nineteen ninety three.
Ninety three was the trade to can't.

Speaker 6 (01:24:19):
Knocking on the door.

Speaker 3 (01:24:20):
But Steve Young started the entire ninety two season when
fourteen and two.

Speaker 2 (01:24:24):
Was Joe hurt.

Speaker 5 (01:24:26):
He was the MVP.

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
Was Joe hurt in ninety two?

Speaker 3 (01:24:31):
I don't think so. I think that Steve Young just
usurped him. That comes to he couldn't handle what we
were talking about.

Speaker 5 (01:24:38):
He didn't. He was injured in ninety one with an
elbow and then didn't play.

Speaker 4 (01:24:42):
So ninety two championship game where the forty nine ers
high guys and sicilian literally.

Speaker 6 (01:24:48):
There's a knock at the door.

Speaker 5 (01:24:52):
Another room listening, cavalcade of men coming into Kimby's room.

Speaker 2 (01:24:56):
Here, hold on this second, just so I could paint
an extra picture for the audience. Ceciliano left because you
had some other activities.

Speaker 5 (01:25:02):
That you had to do down the hall. Guy he
was listening to the guys.

Speaker 4 (01:25:08):
I got a kid I appreciate it. So it is
an eight part doc. It's called The Gambler and His Team.
It's not all just about, you know, the life of
Jerry Jones, although there certainly is some of that in there.
At the premiere Monday, they only really showed episode three.
They showed a six minute chunk of episode one, which
is great, but an episode three is really the ninety

(01:25:31):
two NFC Championship game where the Niners were the team
of the eighties. This is the Steve Young MVT Steve
Young MVP fourteen and two season, and this is the
chance for the Cowboys to knock off the team of
the eighties and get back to the Super Bowl. And
you remember the NFC Championship game of Candlesticks. I mean,

(01:25:51):
it's like ten feet of mud on the field to
Carls Hailey revenge game. The early touchdown wiped out a
shot to Jerry Rice on the opening possession.

Speaker 5 (01:26:02):
There's a hold just they have Young.

Speaker 4 (01:26:05):
And they have Akman, and they have IRV and they
have Emme att All sitting down talking about this and
that episode is also a lot of flashbacks to Jerry
Jones coming up through Arkansas as a young man.

Speaker 5 (01:26:17):
His childhood, he's playing football Jimmy Johnson.

Speaker 4 (01:26:21):
Amazing stuff with the two of them as roommates, like
old interviews with Jimmy and Jerry as college students on
TV in Arkansas. I mean, there's some amazing footage in there.
And that was only episode three, That's what they screened
on Monday night. That episode. Like I was thinking to you, Nathan, honestly,
as like tripped down memory lane. Sorry bad memories there
for the forty nine ers. It is really good stuff.

(01:26:43):
I'm sure throws two picks.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
Yeah, I'll tell you what's but you know, it's pretty amazing.
As we're revisiting this Montana stuff. See, you probably remember this.

Speaker 6 (01:26:53):
I did not.

Speaker 2 (01:26:54):
He got so he wins the MVP in ninety Yeah,
Antana win's the MVP of ninety He gets hurt in
a preseason game in ninety one in a preseason game,
misses all of ninety one and most of ninety two
with this elbow injury.

Speaker 6 (01:27:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
I mean, but I didn't remember that he missed two seasons. Yeah,
because he played in the in the regular season finale,
he played, and then he was the third string quarterback
in the playoffs. Mine Young and Bono right.

Speaker 3 (01:27:20):
He went fifteen to twenty one for two touchdowns and
a quarterback Grain won twenty six.

Speaker 5 (01:27:23):
No big deal. And Steve Young talks about this in
the in So show.

Speaker 4 (01:27:27):
Is that in the ninety two championship game, you want
to talk about pressure you're facing, I mean, you're playing
to go to the super Bowl. Joe Montana is healthy
enough to come in and relieve standing there on the
sideline if you can't get it done. And he's like,
we went fourteen to two, I won the MVP, and
there's Joe Montana standing there.

Speaker 5 (01:27:46):
Well, Joe won the MVP in eighty nine and ninety.

Speaker 3 (01:27:50):
It was the Super Bowl MVP in ninety which was,
by the way, the fourth of his Super Bowl victory.

Speaker 5 (01:27:55):
Is no big deal, third time, no big deal with
Steve Young, shite.

Speaker 4 (01:27:58):
I'm JABRONI listen if if the other seven episodes are
as good as this, and yes, I'm told they do
obviously look at all the bad stuff off the field
there as well. There's an episode I'm told that Newton
pretty much exclusively about Michael Irvin.

Speaker 5 (01:28:16):
But there's a lot there.

Speaker 4 (01:28:18):
That's why I did a panel panel Monday night after
they got done with Jerry and IRV and EMM and
al Michaels led the whole thing, and he's the best.

Speaker 2 (01:28:29):
I mean, he's of course, I'll be honest.

Speaker 3 (01:28:31):
The fact that they didn't contact me to send them
my video that IRV shot with me at Mastros for
this film, which where he's telling the story of standing
on the Star.

Speaker 2 (01:28:41):
How many times one on every every level? How many
times do you think he's done on every level on
the phone.

Speaker 5 (01:28:52):
I think we're the only ones. I think we're the
only ones.

Speaker 2 (01:28:55):
That well, we're the only one with that context that's
request it, and for him to request it, it's amazing.

Speaker 5 (01:29:00):
Everywhere I put my foot in the sand, I left
the foot print of greatness.

Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
All right, so much more to come. You're listen to
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Speaker 3 (01:29:36):
Better performance from the offense, better performance more of the
same from the defense and a better performance from the offense.
I think that's really where you know, that's the only
thing that you could ask for more on because I
thought our d was excellent. I thought the front was excellent.
So better from the offense tomorrow. So maybe some plays
down the field and that would be fantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:29:58):
Be nice if Dylan could get through tomorrow unscathed. Yes,
and obviously like to see it unscathed so that he
can play and get the lion's share of the starts
one on Saturday. Hello, Gibbe, what gim me doing?

Speaker 6 (01:30:12):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:30:13):
He's taking my phone, he's looking at he didn't mute it.

Speaker 6 (01:30:16):
He didn't mute it. I don't want to. I don't
want to know what's.

Speaker 2 (01:30:20):
On you guys, enjoy the rest of your vacation today.

Speaker 6 (01:30:24):
Have a great night. My god, a little bit. We
have a preview show tonight is coming back with Kid
whatever Jesus bo I gotta for breeze my couch. What
did I says, lounging sweat all over.

Speaker 7 (01:30:41):
The show?

Speaker 6 (01:30:42):
This is what it is?

Speaker 2 (01:30:42):
The next levels next?

Speaker 6 (01:30:44):
Please?

Speaker 2 (01:30:44):
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