Je'Rod Cherry Recaps Minicamp - Cleveland Browns Daily - 6.13.25 - Cleveland Browns Daily

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Speaker 1 (00:14):
Coming to you live from the Cross Country Mortgage Campus
in Barrio, Ohio. This is Cleveland Browns Daily, presented by
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Brown's on eight fifty ESPN Cleveland. You are your hosts,
Bo Bishop and Nathan Zegura.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
We're doing it live there we go here, I am
there you are. It's a Friday, five's day weekend. Merely,
Bo gibe here. Hi. If you yet, we'll have some
stuffan We're have a little fun on the program today.
But I did want to ask you this. Yesterday we
were walking in and it was very much was last

(00:58):
day of school vibes like there were quite literally player
cars stacked up, loaded up and ready and southbound and
down or east or westbound and down as soon as
as soon as they were cleared. If you were an
NFL player and young Bronck and doctor Jake and Wayne
on this as well, if you were an NFL player
without family and you had this and you had a

(01:22):
forty day window, as Kevin Stefanski told us yesterday, it's
forty days. If you had a forty day window of
freedom to go and be and do whatever you wanted,
what would you do? It's one oh one. I mean
I just go straight gas right out of the gates.
It's a Friday, I mean it's Friday number one, since

(01:44):
practice ended yesterday at noon. Yeah, I'm probably still not sober.
I'm definitely rolling right through that. We're heaving it. You're
gonna do it. You're gonna just hit it here right away.
You're not getting out of town.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
Nope, No, be patient, be patient.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Like you enjoyed.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
By the way, the best weather in this city is
right now. Yeah, I know, minus the fact that it's
rainy and fifty degree.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
I mean it's right. Yeah. I don't even want to
talk about it just makes me angry that of what
we got. Yeah, what's what's coming?

Speaker 3 (02:11):
No, I know, I know, But like I'm not in
a giant hurry to leave just yet. Yeah, probably hitting
the golf course. Probably hitting a very nice golf course
if I can.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Well you can, you're an NFL player. Probably a member
at a very nice golf course.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
Yeah, Like I I might have myself a little house
or a condo up up at the island.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Do you love a cottage? You love a little cottage?
It lit'tle sneak away yeah, absolutely private, giving as the
happiest I ever saw you. Undisclosed location, like had your
own little private cottage.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
I was trying to explain to these guys, like, oh,
to Seiciliana because he's like, when did you talk to
Isaiah MacGuire. I go fireside chat fireside Excuse me, I said,
rookie Mini camp weekend, brought him over to the undisclosed location,
flipped on the fireplace on a Saturday and at a
fifteen minute bomb with him.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
You need that's all you need, rockcord with yours by
what do you got? What are you doing? You got
forty days off. You're an NFL player, that's you're around
their age, You're unfettered.

Speaker 4 (03:08):
I would, personally, I've never been out of the country,
so I would go on an extravagant vacation out of
the country, especially considering I'd be spending the winter in Cleveland.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Yeah, yeah, so I would. I would leave the country.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
Okay, but you're not spending the way, not necessarily spending
the winter. You're out by mid January, hopefully February. Yeah, yeah,
I mean it's it's it's cold in November December, yeah,
and into January. But you're only playing one or two games,
maybe in January.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Where's doctor j where's his what's he? What's he doing?
You got forty days of freedom, baby, you're unfettered.

Speaker 5 (03:40):
I gotta I gotta make this very specific. From single,
no family, No going on Miami. First out the country
where though I probably so I want to do. I
would do one of the islands. I think the Keys
is what it is, the Keys Islands.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yeah, you're still in the country with that, as.

Speaker 5 (03:58):
Far as as far as Florida, Florida Keys, not Miami.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
Sorry, you do a little, you do a little. You
want you're doing Caribbean though, you're doing the Bahamas, You're
doing the Caymans, Saint Lucia, Saint Barks. I don't like that.
Maybe a little cruise, a little cruise, maybe go from
one to the next, private boat trip one to the next.
How's this island? This is good? I like Jamaica.

Speaker 5 (04:18):
This took exactly Start in Miami.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
Then you can go out of Miami for Lauderdale, Tampa.

Speaker 5 (04:24):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
One of those I would do. I would do to Florida, Bahamas.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
That puts you out on a boat in the middle
of the ocean. We had this conversation earlier land.

Speaker 5 (04:36):
I don't want to be too fine in the ocean.
But with that cruise.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
Have you been on a cruise, ye, Brock, have you
been on a cruise?

Speaker 6 (04:46):
I have.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yeah, it's pretty surreal. Yeah to like I knowed, well, yeah,
what I noticed was like we were the very first
night I was on the buck Eye cruise. We went,
we we left port in Miami, went and had a meal,
and then by the time I stumbled back to my abode,
I went out on the balcony and there was there

(05:07):
was nothing anywhere. And then you go, oh, we're a
long way from anywhere. And if this big sucker sinks,
good night, nurse, so steak, keep going, baby, keep it going, baby.
I think, yeah, you're a long way out. I would
do one of two things. I would either do I
think that the key to this is being single, right,

(05:30):
so you being single or with you know, a girlfriend
or something like that, but without the family, and if
you had or before the family occurred, and you have,
so you have forty three days. I'm taking twenty to
twenty five of those, and I haven't decided which one
I'm gonna do. I would either do the new Zealand

(05:52):
Australia double because when I look at that now, that
seems so I don't know if I'll ever get there.
That air travel is so daunting. I just the idea
of I remember we were in Bora Bora in our honeymoon,
and we remember the pilots and I don't know if
this is true or NOTO this is what he said
that you're essentially halfway to Sydney. And I remember thinking,

(06:12):
like my god, I felt like I was in the
on that plane forever. It was like eight hours or something.
I'm like, this is nuts. And that was from La
So that amount of time would allow for me and
I think, to fully explore Oceania. And then the other
one I thought would be the other thing would be Europe,
like you could do all of Europe, because Europe sometimes

(06:33):
gets daunting to me. My wife wants to go over
there so bad, and I'm like, okay, do we do?
Do we do just England? Or do you do Italy?
Do you do Spain? Do you do Greece? Do you
do If you had thirty days, you could do it all?
You knock the whole thing out, So that those would
be the two. Those are the be the two. I
know a lot of our guys go to Asia. They're big,
they go to and I know Siciliano mentioned that, like

(06:54):
there's yeah, you know a lot of folks go to
Asia from time to time. That is not appealing to me.
I'm sure it's great, it's just for me. It just
it's not on the bucket list.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
I see. I think I would go. I would be
fine going to Europe in those places. But and maybe
I go for ten days, twelve days. Yeah, but I
want to sit. I want to sit at a pool.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
You're I want to play golf. You're being You're a man.
You're forty Gibbie, I know, not being twenty five year
old right by the tail Gibbe.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
I mean that's I would want to include my friends. Well,
my buddy could bring them. Yeah, like let's go on
a golf trip. Shenanigans at night, golf during the day,
Rinse and repeat. You do that now, I yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
I know, I don't know. You got to go back
to the twenty three year old Gibbe who's running from
the cops and bowling green. You got to get in
the headspace of that guy.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
Earlier twenty one, twenty year old is twenty twenty years
definitely not of legal drinking age.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
I think it's you. It's it was one of those
things though, when you have to be where your feet are.
And I asked coach this question yesterday when he joined
us kindly enough to join us in studio. But like,
you've got to take that time to unplug because we
live in a world in this Our business is part
of it. Their business is absolutely it where And I

(08:17):
mentioned this to him, like, I think for a lot
of you out there listening, you think, okay, like these
guys work their tails off and everybody knows it around
the clock from end of July until the season's over.
And then I think you feel like it's unplugged, but
it really isn't. It's right onto the next it's into
free agency, it's into the combine, it's into draft prep,
it's Top thirty visits, it's the draft, rookie mini camp,
OTA's Mini camp done, and then you've got forty days

(08:38):
and you know that's really the thing that is it's
such a critical time. And we had Jerome Baker in
this week and he mentioned to us about how, you know,
I don't get to spend Thanksgivings and Christmas. I asked him,
I said, what are you gonna do it? He said,
I'm I'm gonna be with my family because I don't
see him the rest of the time. And so an
NFL player has a finite amount of time that they're
an NFL player, and they have a finite amount of time.

(09:00):
We're kind of all of these things cross over, and
you you do get that freedom. And it was funny,
like you saw Wyatt and and Carly and them packing
the car and away they go, and you think, well,
they're going home to family and where they're you know
all of that. That's where they're going. A lot of
our guys are on a plane out of here, and
so it's a cool thing. It's it's it's probably as
close to like last day as school vibes as you're

(09:23):
gonna feel, because that's what it felt like yesterday. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
No, I'm racking my brain because I'm not.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
I'm gonna give you yours. This is yours. This is
what you do. You're going to Scotland and Ireland on
a golf trip, pub tour, vacation with your buddies. Get
me into Ireland, as I said, Scotland, Ireland. So you're playing,
you're playing the Roda, the British Open Rota, you're getting

(09:54):
the courses in Ireland. You're going to Guinness and you're
going to Jamison. You're gonna love, You're gonna go to
Red Breast, You're gonna go to all of those places,
Bush Mills, you're gonna go to those places. An You're
gonna do a little Scotch tasting, hit up that a
little bit, play some golf in between. Fine, I think
that's yours. That's what I Although you don't get the

(10:15):
only you don't get there. You don't get the pool.
You like the pool, You're not getting a pool there.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
But but if I'm already going for ten twelve days, yeah,
like again, I don't mind being here and going out
at night.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
No, no, I understand that. But they can't really do
that here and be anonymous. Yeah, like again, like from
their perspective, they can't be out here now in the.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
Flats where I'd want to go, Like I get the
whole Miami vibe, and now that it was not it
was not. It wasn't for me in my twenties, it
really wasn't. So that's what I'm trying to think where,
what was the city, what would be the place, you know,
I mean, I I love New York City, but it's

(10:58):
awful hot.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Yeah, but you could do the Long Island. You're an
NFL player, you could play short.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
Part of me wants to go Boston. And then how
about the Cape.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
You can do that too, Hang it out, you do that,
play a little golf, Yeah, take it in. That's you
can't get in that water though. No, we were. We
were there in August, beginning of August, late July last year.
In Maine. It was southern Mainey too. It was any
Bunkport water was brisk, ye, like I want I put
like one foot in. I'm like, yeah, I'm good, boys,

(11:28):
I'll see on down the road. I don't I don't
need that now. They got in it, God bless them.
But I'm no, I'm good. I'm not doing that.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
No, we did that with our kids too. Yeah, I'd
have to go somewhere in the Caribbean. I would definitely go.
Give me something where I can walk out and literally
like my little cabanas right on the water there. Maybe
the floor is clear so I can see the fish
and every of those are that's just walk out and like,
all right, I got to hop on a boat to

(11:55):
get back to the mainland to go play some golf,
drink a little bit, come back and.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
They have fairies for that.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
That's yeah, that I don't I don't dismiss the Key
West thing.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
Keys are good. You're not playing any golf there. That's
why you need the Dominican Then you can do the golf.
Then you can play Tooth of the Dog and you
could play Uh, Cancun has that too, little Mexican Mexico.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
Yeah, port of artist Z's favorite joints. Z and Doctor
can't get hurt by that. Ri A Maaya is also
something I really like. I'm a big fan of that.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
Yeah. So Whorld is your oyster. Yeah, you totally threw
me for a loop to early on I did well,
we got ten minutes out of it. Yeah, No, that's
I'm trying to remember what what Young JG did. It's

(12:47):
just the idea of that it's rare in life that
you have that type of freedom to go whenever you want, yeah,
without having people pulling at you in other directions, and
it's it's rare. It's it's rare to be unencumbered, have wealth,
and have freedom all at the same time. Yeah, it's
a rare. It's a thing that most of us don't ever,
don't ever have that, and they have it, and it

(13:07):
was cool watching them do it. Yesterday. It is Father's
Day weekend. Happy Father's Day, my friend, my friend, thank you. Yeah,
it looks like the weather's gonna suck tomorrow. It's kind
of looking like it is that we committed.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
To it by like one or two o'clock. Maybe, all right,
let's put it at least on this side of town.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
It had gone. Sure'll linger you it didn't, wasn't it
last week? You had a perfect day and I had
all rain last Sunday? I think, Yeah, all right, let's
see what starting tonight. It's variable cloudiness, couple of showers,
a high of sixty eight tomorrow is all. That's right.
It's June.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
Wow, but who's you know it's June. Oh no, let's
hang out in the sixties. Yeah, ninety eight percent chance
of rain. It's not it, Oh it is. It's three
quarters of an inch. Yeah, it's a lot of rain tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
A couple of showers on a thunderstorm. Yeah it is,
But it's not. It does move out for Sunday Sundays.
The day Sunday, you're still gonna be cloudy, but at
least you're gonna warm up a little bit and be
able to get out a little bit. I was watching
Oakmont this morning, and I know we'll talk a little
bit about it at great half hour. Pissed me off.
That was on Peacock right away, so that I.

Speaker 3 (14:17):
Turned it on here at USA, I'm like, what is this?

Speaker 2 (14:19):
Yeah, that's not a smart TV. No, oh that stinks. Yeah.
You know what I think would be what I think
would be so difficult for those guys to do. And
I would imagine that the NFL equivalent would be playing
in extreme weather, whether it be snow or rain or
wind or whatever. And we deal with it a lot here,

(14:42):
obviously not for much longer once we get the dome,
but for now. And the I was thinking, like, for them,
the hardest thing has got to be the mentality of it,
Because every tea box they step on in their life,
that's a par four. They expect make three, and they're
okay with four. When you step on to the tea

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box at Oakmont, you're thrilled with a four and you're
okay with a five, and that has got to be
a hell of a thing to wrap your head around.
I watched Victor Hobblin this morning, who got it to
three under and then he had the double. I think
on two it was I don't know if it was
two or twelve. It was his second hole of the back.
I'm sorry, two or eleven. He had a double and

(15:27):
I watched it and I thought to myself, like I
watched him hit into the rough and then kind of
pitch out, couldn't get all the way out, get up.
All of a sudden he was up there and he
was putting for bogie. It was like a fifteen footer
and you watch he missed it. He ended up doubling,
but it was like, if he makes that, that's the
best five of his life. And I saw Robert McIntyre
said this this morning. He said, that's the best level

(15:48):
par round I'll ever play in my life. And that's
the additude. So that's the thing they've got to get to.
They got to get to the attitude of and that's
got to be the biggest hurdle that par is all.
I am shooting for here and if I get bogie.
That's okay to just don't let it turn into a
double or a triple because you can't ever dig out
of it because there are no birdies. And it's got
to be like an NFL team playing in the muck

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or playing in the snow, or the win and just
realizing like you're not going to score every possession, take
some clock, gets the first down, win the field position.
It's just a total mentality shift. That's exactly.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
That's the Browns Bills snow Globe game, right two thousand
and seven. I was there same, Yeah, like our goal
is to get to ten points because if we get there,
we don't think they can get to ten. No, so
let's find a way. I think it was four field goals,
maybe five field We exceeded ten, but not by much.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
Well, it was all yeah, it was phill Dawson that
that game was. That was exasting, crazy, crazy game.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
Yeah yeah, but like that's your correct you're happy with, Okay,
we got something out of it, or we at least
turn the field position. So they've got to go a
yards in a blinding, driving snowstorm.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
Yeah, that's it. Okay, that's what I think they're doing
over there, I don't know. I mean Sam bird shot
sixty five today over there, yeah, five under today or yeah,
just for today. I had that well wrong because I
thought for sure the sixty six from from JJ Spawn
yesterday would be the low round of the tournament, and
already today this morning. To get us sixty five this morning,

(17:25):
that thing was a brute that that treated the world's
best like rag Dolls. Hovelin survived, he's he's almost done.
He's three under on his round. He's two hunder for
the tournament, two back, but again he's got two to play.
So it was it was number two where he doubled,
which has been one of the tougher, more difficult holes
on the whole course.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
I mean, Scheffler's plus three, he's even for the day,
and he's probably ecstatic with that.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
Yeah he's, Yeah, he was, he was. I mean, I
don't know how you couldn't be did what did Koepka
end up at He had a time when he was
kind of making a run at it, and then within
one he was he had a putt to take the
outright lead at one point. Then I didn't see what
he ended up. He ends up with a seventy four
did he really Yeah, oh, ends up.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
At plus two. He was at minus two. He got
to minus three.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Yeah, yeah, actually a minus three with a chance to
go to four. That's when I saw. I saw him
do that and get it to there.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
So like Jason Days got one of the better rounds
of the day going. He's four under today and is
at congratulations that gets you to plus two.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
Yeah, yeah, six over yesterday.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
So I mean Shuffler's at three over. You know, Shambau
hasn't teed off yet, but he finished three. How about
John Rahm rom was one under. Yeah, he just wrapped up.
He totally imploded, goes five over on the day seventy five.
He's now four over.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Yeah, yeah, but he was he was in the mix
for a while. Yeah, he started off, you know very much. Yeah,
and then it just falls apart on you. I was
talking to legendary for the longest time. He's probably the
longest tenured beat guy with the Columbus Down in Columbus
with the Ohio State football team. Tim May used to

(19:12):
work at the Dispatch and then legbond Row. Yeah, absolutely,
legend great dude, and what he's done in retirement. And
I think this is one of the coolest things. So
one of the things he's done since he's retired is
he volunteers every year at the US Open. So he's
on my Columbus show every Friday at ten thirty s
and we and so this first time I noticed is

(19:34):
like four years ago, and he didn't tell me that
he was doing it, but he hops on the phone.
I'm like, where are you and he's like, I'm at
the country Club Brookline. What what are you talking about?
So he goes every year. So he was at country
Club Brookline, and then he was at LACC and then
he did Pinehurst and then this year he's at Oakmont

(19:55):
and I was. I asked him, I'm like, how can
you how do you describe Oakmont? Because I was. I
was listening to Scheffler yesterday and he said, there aren't
really any strategic choices you have to make here. Just
hit it straight. Everything's right in front of you. Just
hit it straight and try to keep it in the fairway,
and if you do that, you're fine. But there aren't
really that many strategic choices. There's no rain or there's

(20:15):
no water, there's no trees, so you just blast it.
If you hit it straight, you should be okay, stay
out of the sand. And they're rough, yes, especially, And
I said, well, what is the what is the biggest
ser and the way I thought it was so interesting
how he described the greens to the collar to the fairway.
He says, it's like they've been like lined in velvet.

(20:36):
Like that's kind of what they look like, just that short,
that tight, and so like you can't even really tell
the difference between the fairway and the greens when you're
standing at him, so you don't really know if it's
a good shot or not. He also said that it's
despite it only having a seventy foot difference in elevation,
that there's incredible elevation on every hole and so there's

(20:58):
humps in every fairway that you can bleed off here
or there, and that basically there's no such thing as
like a flat lie. Everything's on a lie. And then
I said, do the members like it?

Speaker 3 (21:10):
Yeah, because we had that conversation, yes, yeah, I don't know.
If i'd like to be a member, then.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Yeah, I'm not good I'm definitely not good enough. And
he said that he actually it's funny asked that he
said that I actually talked with two members yesterday who
they do. But what they like is when they bring
somebody who hasn't played there to Oakmont and to watch
them try to. So in other words, they like watching
people struggle. Is the long and short.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
I mean, that's what Xander Schoffley said earlier in than
the week he goes. We have weeks like this on
the PGA calendar just so everyone in the world can
make fun of us.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
Yeah, we're human, that's right. And it's also what I
think is cool about the US Open. It's probably my
third favorite. I probably go British Masters are kind of
tied than US Open underneath, and then PGA is just
such a it's just anonymous. There's nothing to it. It
doesn't they don't. They don't have an identity of I
think they're trying to get back and get an identity back,
but right now they don't really have one. But what

(22:05):
is the identity of this one is it's the one
weekend a year where you see them really struggle and
that I do enjoy that. Yeah, I do enjoy that,
and I do enjoy them playing these traditional courses that
we see. I think the PGA is the one that
could really really needs kind of a little bit of
a shot in the arm, but this one I do
like there's a very specific feel to the US Open.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:27):
No, it'd be great if we can stop putting it
on Peacock in the morning.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
Hike.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
Listen, yesterday was a beautiful day. USA had it all
day till five o'clock. Yeah, great, and then Peacock carried
the rest. Okay, fine, by five o'clock. I'm onward with
my day. But how can I at least just watch it?
There's two groups I can watch on Usopen dot com.
Now it just started at one o'clock on NBC. NBC

(22:56):
has it now?

Speaker 2 (22:56):
So yeah, look this, I mean, I live in a
college football world like this. I'm used to this. So
this is and look, we dealt with this in the NFL.
You deal with it with the Thanksgiving games, the Chris games.
Yeah yeah, you're used to this playoff games where sports
is being leveraged to make you sign up for apps. Yep.
And I'm just too lazy to cancel him. So, like,

(23:19):
I've had Peacock for like four years, and the only
thing I watch on it is like four Buckeye games.
Four Buckeye basketball games, A Buckeye football game and Round
two of the US Open. See, that's the only time
I ever look at it.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
I had it, I canceled it. I haven't gone back.
If the Buckeyes are on and we're actually home and
not traveling, I'll go to a bar.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
Well, it's never gonna be it's never gonna be a
big game because all those are going to be at
noon on Fox always. I've got some soundbites from my guy,
Ross b Yorke. He's my guy. I'm a fan of
that guy. He's saying that he's finally, finally, somebody down
there is fighting back other than me about what should
get done on that side of things. Nick Chubb penned
his thank you to Cleveland on an Instagram post. I

(24:01):
don't need to read it all it's but it's a
really it's what you think it would be. I mean,
it's everything you'd want to video. Did you watch the video?
I did? Yeah, Yeah, it was. It's really cool. I
think the last line is really important. This isn't goodbye
to what we built, but it's thank you from the trust,
the passion, the moments that made me feel like it
belonged here from day one, Cleveland. You'll always have a
piece of my heart until we meet again with a

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heart and then the batman emoji or the bat emoji
for Nick Chubb.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
Yeah, you'll be back when you we put you up
into the Ring of Honor and the Browns Legends Club.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
He's yeah. We've talked a lot about it this week
and I was at a corporate partners event with AB
and AB talked about a little bit and I asked
him about it, and he goes, I said, this is
the business, and before I even got it out, he goes,
it sucks. It sucks, and He's right, it does. It
does suck. It sucks that this is the business of

(24:51):
the NFL. It sucks that Nick had the injuries that
he that he had. As I said earlier in the
week when we kind of talked about it, I'm just
incredibly a pre that we got him for as long
as we did, and we got him healthy for as
long as he did, because the injury that he had
in college could have derailed his entire career from Jump
Street and it didn't, and instead we got this brilliance.

(25:12):
We got five brilliant years out of him that no
one is ever going to forget, and I think he's
I'd really do. I think he's on a very short
list of most popular Cleveland Browns ever, I really do,
because those guys that played so so long ago. There's
still a lot of you out there obviously who remember Uh,
there's still quite a few who remember Cardiac kids. There's
a lot of you obviously remember Kozar and all of that.

(25:34):
But as as we get farther and further away from
Jim Brown and all of those guys, Nick Chubb is
going to be one of those memories. Nick Chubb is
going to be the way that that folks our age
talk about like Eric Metcalf and like what he meant,
or Buyner and Mack or Clay Matthews or any of
that stuff. Bernie remembering those moments. There will be a

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generation of kids that feel that way about Nick. Yep.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
Yeah, showed up to work every day and just wanted
to win. That's it. That's all he wanted. He just
wanted to play football and win. Not difficult, and there
were times he made it look exceptionally easy. He's great,
He's one of the best to ever do it in
this Browns uniform.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
For sure. Was were our veterans or our alumni in town.
We did an alumni barbecue yesterday. Was that man here,
Dan Fike? Was he here?

Speaker 3 (26:31):
I was told, yes, I never saw it.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
I thought I saw him talking to Botonio.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
I didn't see him because it was on my list.
I was like, hey, maybe Dan can come upstairs. We
can relive Hawaii.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
So I'm pretty sure it was him. Okay, I'm pretty
sure there's a picture on our Instagram or one of
our social team.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
He was on a list to come, but I never
saw him.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
So yeah, like he came up to me. I don't
remember if I was wearing a Brown's. We were at
a resort in Maui. He lives there, and he came
up to me. I must have had either me or
the boys must have add a brown something on. And
he came up and we talked for hours. Dan and
then his autographed the football card is in the studio

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right to the over the left shoulder of Gibbe there.
But yeah, I would. I said, well, when you come
to one of these things, come see us. You can't
miss us. Come to the second floor, you can't miss us.
But I'm pretty sure Danny Fike was here, which was,
which would have been cool, would have been very cool
to see. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
No, they all left early, like practice ended and like
the alums were gone before the show. Yeah, so that's
I was hoping to get a few of them, but
everybody had ducked out.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
So all right, we have a mail big Friday that
round round two thirty. So if you have some questions,
and remember you can get those to us on the
YouTube chat as well.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
That's we're going to specialize on the YouTube.

Speaker 7 (27:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
Yeah, so we'll get your questions in on the YouTube
chat and we will answer those coming up at two thirty.
Go around the sports world, around the NFL. You have
that to look forward to. We're going to go to Oakmont.
One of your buddies, one of my buddies, one of
the Americans. He's going to be there. Guy Cipriano's going
to join us. He is the editor in chief of
Golf Course Industry and will ask him some of these

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questions that we've been asking about what it is like
over at Oakmont. So you have all of those things
to look forward to, which are very very nice. We
will begin it with Kevin Stefanski from the podium from
Mandatory Mini Camp that is coming up next. We are
often running before we do that, though, I should tell
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(28:38):
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Speaker 3 (29:43):
Any leftovers we're gonna need Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday next
week too.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
And we did confirm them that Dan Fike was here. Yeah,
I'm a social so we were right on that. Yeah. All right,
Time to head to the podium presented by Vivid Seats
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Speaker 8 (29:59):
St guys, work are working very hard. Please with what
we got done today. We'll be back inside for more
meetings we'll walk through and a bunch of NFL mandatory
meetings that we're trying to knock out in this camp,
and then back out here tomorrow. But really please with
the work that the guys put forth today. With that,
I'll take any questions, Kevin.

Speaker 7 (30:19):
The kind of the modified seven on seven that you
got going on there with the offensive line, and what's
what's kind of the process that you're trying to what's
the accomplimence that you're breaking copy.

Speaker 8 (30:30):
I think with seven on seven you're always looking for
ways to get that as close to a team drill
without making an eleven on eleven, which you certainly can do.
It's harder to do that in the way the rules
are written in the off season program. So when you
do do seven on seven, you've seen some teams walk
out there with bags or tennis rackets or something. So

(30:50):
this is something we're trying to do, is put our
offensive line out there, let our other offensive lineman run
games and stunts, so they're still working their blitz pick
up and the quarterbacks get to feel the pop could
get to feel with what that's like.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
Are you trying to get as many reps to the
three new quarterbacks as you can before you get to
training camp, excluding flag Up because he has perhaps were
really reduced.

Speaker 8 (31:10):
Right, Yeah, just being trying to be intentional about everything.
Tony and certainly Joe had fewer reps today. That's obviously
on purpose, and just trying to find out get as
much of an evaluation on the guys as we can.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Look like Dylan obviously went first in your first set
of eleven on eleven's and it looks like, I don't know,
it looked very efficient, like the licener is starting.

Speaker 4 (31:35):
To come out for you to do interesting.

Speaker 8 (31:36):
Yeah, I'm pleased with all the young guys. Mary Kay
and their development. There's a lot that goes into this,
and these guys work extremely hard. It's something that I
would say each position we're asking them to do something
that is a little bit different than what they did
in college, and certainly at the quarterback position, there's a
lot that goes into it. These guys are all well
coached when we get them, but there's things in the

(31:58):
NFL game just the rules are different in some areas.
So I think all these guys are making really good progress. Kevin,
this is the first time least seeing Deontay Johnson out there.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
What are your impressions on here?

Speaker 8 (32:09):
Yeah, Deontay, you know, doing a nice job obviously getting
up to speed with terminology and those type of things.
And I think we'll just continue to work. But it's
good to have matter here.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
In terms of your play action passing into how do
you think the two rookies are adapting to it?

Speaker 8 (32:25):
Yeah, I would say for us, Tony, from a system,
we want to be able to do to get under
center and run play action being the gun and run
play action being the pistol. I mean, we don't want
to limit ourselves in any way. I think the quarterbacks
as a group are all capable of doing all of that.
I think that's that's the really fun part with this
group of quarterbacks. They can kind of do it all.

(32:47):
It's it's I think it's an impressive group across the board.
But I don't think there's a desire to you have
to do this or you have to do that.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
Abriel do much of it.

Speaker 8 (32:57):
I don't think anybody's done much of it in the
college game. I was at a high school camp last night.
Coach Lombardo and the Saint Edward Eagles had their quarterback
camp for young kids, and I went over to see
coach Lombardo U and he was teaching under center, and
he said, how many of you guys are under center
in grade school?

Speaker 2 (33:18):
And not very many hands went up. So I think
as we.

Speaker 8 (33:21):
Get them out of high school out of college, there's just,
you know, fewer reps of those going around, so not
many guys come in the league with under center. What
about Miles?

Speaker 6 (33:30):
How nice to see Miles in the house and just
looks like he's obviously in great.

Speaker 4 (33:34):
Shape and has worked hard.

Speaker 8 (33:35):
Yeah, good to have Miles in the building, obviously being
around his teammates and as you can imagine it is
in great shape, and you know, it's good for us
to just see where these guys are get some work
in and obviously expose them to some of the different
nuances to what we're doing.

Speaker 7 (33:51):
How important did you started the conversations between the quarterbacks
themselves to getting you know, not just the rookies on
you know, up to up to see, but even the
you know, a guy like Joe jo on the scene.

Speaker 8 (34:04):
Yeah, I've told you guys before and this is the truth,
and it's it's true today even I thought the discussion
that occurs in the quarterback room is outstanding. It's fun,
it's high level discussion, it's it's it's new for the
two young guys. But to hear the experiences of Joe,
Kenny Deshaun, I think it's an impressive thing for those
young guys to absorb. And there's a lot of different

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stories that we hear of the guys and when we
have different reps from their careers that they can talk through.
But all of that is just invaluable for a young.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Koreyback to be able to do anything. In this week,
we'll see.

Speaker 8 (34:38):
Yeah, they're they're working hard, they're getting close.

Speaker 9 (34:40):
What does that mean?

Speaker 4 (34:40):
For you young guys.

Speaker 8 (34:43):
Yeah, more reps, more reps for those guys, and we've
asked a lot of them that they've done a great job.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
They work extremely hard.

Speaker 8 (34:51):
Coach O'Shea, coach Brabo Brown or are working hard with
those guys to get them up to speak.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
Kevin, you've always been such a Nick chub Comlin there
the young getting his chance without Texan.

Speaker 8 (35:03):
Yeah, obviously, you know, excited for Nick. I haven't talked
to him yet, but reached out to him. You know,
he's you guys know how I feel about him. He's
a huge part of our success here, a huge part
of this franchise. So we wish him luck and you
know it's something that we'll obviously stay in touch with
him throughout this year.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
That's the last time you did in the off season
at some point, Yeah.

Speaker 10 (35:29):
Kevin, you mentioned with the veteran quarterbacks, including Shan, how
involved is he in those meeting behind the scenes and
what do you young guys get out.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
Of his presence.

Speaker 8 (35:35):
Yeah, that's the value we have and and veterans in
that room. Deshaun says, you guys know, not practicing, but
he's rehabbing, attacking his rehab and you know, being a
resource for young players, which I think is a is
a great message about being a great teammate, being available
to all your young players, young and old, being available
to your teammates.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
What do you think he gets out of being here
in the big Yeah.

Speaker 8 (35:58):
I would hope any player that's here, whether they're rehabbing
or you know, practicing, whatever it is, I think there's
value in being around your teammates. Kevin, we were talking
about modifying seven out seven a little a little bit
to help the quarterbacks to feel the pocket, like I
imagine that's an effort to try to help them play
on time. Is that accurately, I'd say it's it's all

(36:19):
the above, Nate, I'd say it's playing on time. It's
under spatial awareness. It's feeling where the guard's going to be,
feeling where the tackles are going to be. It's it's
finding lanes to throw. When you have a shallow cross
coming from left to right, you have to find that
lane in the B gap the C gap as it
moves across. So it's just trying to give them a
little bit more of a visual. Other we've I've been
exposed with people have done it a thousand different ways,

(36:41):
but this is just one way that we feel like
is valuable. And it's also valuable for our offensive line
because they can work their stunts and games during that time.

Speaker 6 (36:47):
When it comes to a couple more with that position,
going through the progressions the way you want getting vitovated
when you go, how hard is that you going?

Speaker 2 (36:58):
Well?

Speaker 8 (36:58):
I think that's it's the bed rock of being efficient
on offenses, getting through progressions on time and accurately. Obviously
once the ball comes out, but being able to get
through a progression is not as easy as it sounds.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
Your eyes are.

Speaker 8 (37:11):
Studying the defense defenders and seeing what they're doing, and
then ultimately you're listening to your feet. To quote an
old Gary Kubiak line, you have a prescribed drop for
a play, and that drop and those hitches will take
you where the ball is supposed to go. So whenever
you do seven on seven, you know, naturally that's an
advantage offensive drill because there's no pass rush. But you

(37:32):
want the quarterbacks to put themselves in the game as
much as they can and stay true to their feet,
stay true.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
To their progression.

Speaker 7 (37:38):
Kevin Joel last week was talking about increased toughness, feeling
like there's increased toughness.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
Emphasis on that.

Speaker 7 (37:46):
How much has there been a topic of conversation, not
just with the offensive line, but across the board, you know,
increasing toughness, you know, building.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
That up a little bit.

Speaker 8 (37:56):
Well, I think the easy part is to talk about it.
That's the easy part you can do. I think the
hard part is making sure that we have you know, players,
coaches are We're putting them through a program that is
calousling up our bodies, our minds. So the work is hard,
but the easy part would be to talk about it.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
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(39:21):
Cipriano joining US publisher and editor in chief of Golf
Course Industry. Guy, thank you so much for taking the
time and going easy on Gibbe in the hooligans. I'm
told that you typically do. Is that fair? Well? Thanks
for having me. It's a joy to be on.

Speaker 6 (39:37):
Gibbs is fun to play with, and it's quite the
day at Oakmont. This is a little bit different than
Wednesday night, a little different.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
A little bit setup. Guy, for those of us watching
it who can't get over there, how would you describe
the conditions that these guys are playing on?

Speaker 6 (39:58):
Okay, Bo, take the office golf course you've ever played,
and add about a dozen shots to that.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
Okay, so I played at Deerfield Village and that's the
toughest one I've ever played, so even ten plus that. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (40:13):
Have you played it under tournament conditions?

Speaker 2 (40:15):
Yes? Yeah, yeah, two weeks before the tournament? Okay?

Speaker 3 (40:20):
Cool?

Speaker 6 (40:20):
This this is just absolutely brutal out here and it
hasn't even firmed up. So just a little bit of
background about where Oakmont's at May was the wettest May
on record in Alligating County, which is the county that
Pittsburgh's in, and that's where Oakmont is, so they really
don't quite have the fire in the golf course that

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there was in two thousand and seven when on Hell
Cabrera won with a plus five. However, and this is
a big however, in twenty twenty three, they did a
golf course restoration. Gil Hants came in, worked with a
golf course superintendent Mike McCormick and the officials at Oakmont
and the USGA, and they expanded the greens by more

(41:05):
than two thousand square feet. And you're like, well, so,
what what does this have to do with scoring at
the twenty five US open well, that has opened up
a lot of whole locations that did not exist in
previous US opens here and where are those whole locations?
Bo and Jason, They are tucked. They are at you know, back, left, back, right, front, left,
front right. When they had the whole location sheet come

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out around nine pm last night, I kind of just
looked at my head. Even though this golf course doesn't
have maybe the fiery or the fiightkiness in it and
the bounce, I was just thinking that this is going
to be a high scoring day. And right now we're
about halfway through the second round and the average scorers
around seventy five, which is five over par, and only
two players who have completed thirty six sols are under

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part at this point, Sam Burns and Victor Hovlin.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
I can't believe burn shot sixty five. I just can't
even know. It just isn't no, it's just nuts.

Speaker 6 (42:00):
Yeah, it's almost ten shots below the scoring average today.
Gained ten shots on the field.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
Almost how would you describe? Obviously a lot is made
and we've seen balls. Just I watched Scotty this morning.
He's hits a t shot, it goes into the rough.
It's gone. The ball is gone as you've walked it.
What is that? What is that condition? How would you
describe it to the audience? How thick that? Okay?

Speaker 6 (42:26):
So I was here on Monday and it was wet
out because it got doused on Sunday, and I was
walking on the rough the left of the first hole,
and from about one hundred and fifty yards into the green,
I stepped on three pro v ones that had just
been buried from all the member play before they closed

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the golf course down to member play a few weeks ago.
So think about that. That means that the rough has
not been mowed down to two or three inches probably
for the entire season. And they're probably even more pro
v ones in there too. So this week they have
shaved it a bit of The USGA Chief Championships Officer
John Bodenhamer said that they're trying to keep it around

(43:11):
five inches. They've gone out and get this. Maybe you
guys have seen the images on social media. They have
members of the golf course maintenance team with push mowers.
They'll come out with two or three dozen of them
and they're push mowing just a little bit off that
top of that rough to keep it at five inches
and then in the morning. This is something that you
don't see. They have people go around with the golf
course maintenance crew volunteers. They have two hundred volunteers helping

(43:33):
a fifty person golf course maintenance crew with backpack blowers
and leaf rakes, and they are fluffing up all the
rough inside the rope so that the ball drops down
to the.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
Bottom of it. That's awful. It's not bottling. Guy.

Speaker 6 (43:49):
Here's much about the springtime rof in northeast Ohio.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
Right.

Speaker 6 (43:53):
They can't get motors on it because it's too wet.

Speaker 3 (43:57):
Now, you did see a little history that. Do you
see a hole in one in person today?

Speaker 2 (44:02):
Yeah? It was funny.

Speaker 6 (44:03):
I was following Justin Thomas, Brooks, Koepka and Minwu Lee
and the group ahead of them was teamed off on
six and I was standing by sixty because that's near
five Green and the fairway on five and Justin Thomas
was getting ready to hit his second shot from about
one hundred yards on the fifth fairway, and he was
waiting for Victor Perez to hit just out of courtesy.

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You know, you don't want two players hitting at once
in the US open and lo and behold, Victor Perez
pulled out from one hundred and ninety two yards front
left pole location on number six, and it was kind
of a subdue celebration. Nobody really knew what was going on.
It was pretty quiet. I would think that if something
like this happens in the afternoon, it might be a
little bit out of here. But yeah, it's the first

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one I've seen in person in a long time. We
have a former hole again who had two in one season,
but I wasn't fortunate enough to be there for those.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
Guy. How you know this is probably the answer to
this is as close as we're going to get to
a major championship in the state of Ohio. I mean,
we're just there's none on the schedule. There's no plans
for one anytime anywhere any place soon. It's probably gonna
have to be making this trip over to Pittsburgh for
the folks who want to go over because the US
Open is going to be there. It looks like about

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every six years or so at Oakmont. How is the
fan experience there? I'd heard some complaining about the pedestrian
bridges crossing over the turnpike there, Like what is the
what is the spectator experience been like over there?

Speaker 6 (45:30):
Well, you're absolutely right. They will not be a major
championship men's major championship played in Ohio anytime in the
next two decades. I know Inverness Club in Toledo is
pumping really, really hard. But if you look at the
USGA and the PGA, they have their sites set pretty
much through twenty fifty and Oakmont is one of the
USGA's anchor sites along with Pinehurst, Pebble Beach, Chennecock Hills,

(45:52):
Wingfoot has a few on the rotation. So yeah, Ohio
is absolutely out of it. The good thing is it's
an easy drive from Cleveland to Oakmont, which is northeast
of Pittsburgh. It's basically two hours down the turnpike. The
logistics aren't bad. Yes, you did bring up the pedestrian bridge,
Bo and Jason. This dates myself, but the first golf
Teram and I ever went to was the nineteen ninety
four US Open at Oakmont and they only had one

(46:14):
bridge going oh Pike then, so now they have three.
They're able to get maintenance vehicles over. Players go across
a separate one and then fans go over one. I
think today. I was waiting ten minutes at one point
to go across it. So as bad as some of
the images look, it's not quite what it used to be.
The fan experience is pretty good. The reason Oakmont's on
the rotation is a the history of the club. It's

(46:35):
hosted a US Open every decade besides the nineteen forties
when there was World War II. Since the nineteen twenties,
they're hosting its record tenth So the golf course is
historic and eight brutal test. But the infrastructure here is amazing.
There used to be a public course which I remember
playing as a child called Oakmont East up above the
second and third hall. That's just now all infrastructure for

(46:56):
US Opens, and a few years ago they bought a
twenty two acre plot across street just for parking. So
in terms of tournament infrastructure, Bo and Jason, it's it's
the best I've seen besides Augusta National. And it's a
darn good fan experience, And hey, if you want, you
can go and get tickets online pretty easily if you're
willing to pay. And it's the closest we'll get to

(47:16):
a major championship in Northeast Ohio. I know Oakland Hills
has one in the twenty thirty, so I guess it
depends what part of Cleveland suburbs you live in. But
this is right down the road and it's a great
place to watch golf, and it just uses history. You
feel at the moment you walk onto the grounds.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
Here, did you like it better with trees or without?

Speaker 6 (47:36):
You know, I was talking about this today with a
friend who's not an agronomous and hopefully none of my
agronomous friends are listening to this, because trees are bad
for turf health, as a lot of people know. It
looks really really strange when you stand up on the
ninth Green and the clubhouse and look down and you
just see the sea of green. There's some trees on

(47:56):
the periphery. It is the closest thing to maybe links
of course we have. So I do think that that's
pretty cool. But it's kind of strange that a club
has an iconic logo of a squirrel and there's no
squirrels to be found anywhere on this property. So, uh,
that's that's a loaded question for me in my world.
You know, Oakmond has always been lovely, and uh, I

(48:18):
like it just the way it is right now, and
I'm sure it'll evolve over the next four or five
decades because all golf courses due and that's just that's
just the nature of golf course maintenance and golf course
design and playability and aesthetics and that type of thing.
So I'm sure there'll be another iteration of Oakmond down
down the road.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
This was fun, man, Thank you so much for your
perspective and time. Greatly appreciate it.

Speaker 6 (48:38):
Yep, yeah, thanks guys, I really appreciate you having me.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
All right, there's you go, your buddy there he is.
Look at that guy locked in, Guy Cipriano joining US
Ghost Publisher, editor in chief golf Course Industry. So that
was right in his wheelhouse.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
The trees, no trees, Yeah, I was, and and he
knows the history. That was a good question about the
whole major thing.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
It sucks. It's the truth. It does suck. There's not
a firestone obviously could and I know they have a
senior major coming up. I want to say there next weekend.
It just and those are nice, they do a great
job with it, but it's not the same as a
as a as a major, and it I think because
it's out of the PGA mix now, I don't know
if it'll ever be considered again for it Inverness. Maybe

(49:20):
it's long enough now, But that was always something that
was happening. There really is only one in the state,
and it's Merefield Village that is set up for it
in every way, stadium, golf and all of that. But
Jack is not going to not play the Memorial Tournament.
And when they moved the PGA to August, it takes
Mierfield out of it because it's not given that up

(49:41):
Sorry or May, I'm sorry into May. Yeah, it used
to be August into May. When they moved it from
August to May, that took it, took it out of
it because that course is very different in May than
it is in what you get in August. But that's
the one course that could do it. And I've even
asked Jack about that. He didn't particularly like it. But
I've even suggested, like, would you play them Momorial Tournament
at Siota, which is going to host the US Senior

(50:03):
Open next year? Would you play that at Siota for
a year and then let the US Open be played
at Meerfield once And they're not really interested in that. No,
So yeah. Now, the closest we're gonna get is Oakmont.
That's that's where it is because it's all booked up
from from that point. On second hour of the program,
up next among the topics, we will go around the

(50:24):
sports world, update you on some NFL news of the
day as well a little bit of mail bag. Jerad
Cherry's gonna broke drive the program a little bit for
his observations from Minnie Camp. You have that to look
forward to, which is nice. You'll listen to Cleveland brown
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little flavor from this week's mandatory mini camp. Let's start
with new offensive line coach Mike Bloomgren on Dewan Jones.

Speaker 10 (51:25):
Yeah, I think Dwan's done some good things. You talk
about like what you've seen this offseason just as the
osp started. You talk about the steps that he's taken.
He's been at everything, he's attacked his rehab and he's
lost some weight with So I think those are good
starting points. I think there's so much good in the
package that is Dewan Jones, things that certainly you can't coach,
you know, from a length, a size standpoint athleticism. There's

(51:48):
a lot of good in there. But he's certainly not
a finished product.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
He's got to stay healthy. Yeah, it starts there. He's
just got to stay healthy. And he's in here with
us earlier in the week and he looks great. Ye
drop some lbs. Uh, he's been here. I can I
can tell you because as I walk in, he walks
out almost every day because he's been here all morning rehabbing.
So he looks great, and it's just about can he
stay healthy? If he can stay healthy, And this is

(52:13):
the cool thing about I don't think you you could
ever question Dwan Jones as why like his give a
damn level is very high, and I think as long
as he is, if he can stay healthy, then the
gains on that financially are just out of this world
because he is a stud when he's healthy, he is
a stud tackle.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
Yeah, now he's he's got to learn to play left tackle.

Speaker 6 (52:35):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (52:36):
And he had some baptism by fire moments this week
going up against the Miles.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
Yeah, that'll do it.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
I mean Miles at one point in a in a
play yesterday took two steps and was by him in
at the quarterback.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
That will happen.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
But that that's just needing to learn and getting the
reps down and being able to play that position. If
anybody can attack it and be successful, I think Dewan can.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
Yeah. Yeah, but we need him to. We need him to.
He's you know because otherwise if he can't stay healthy,
then you have to and you're gonna have to address
tackle next year in the draft anyway. But like the
older line, you do, you got you got old quick, Yeah,
interior and on the exterior. So if we can get
if Dewan can be healthy and play to what we
all know he can, then that would be a very

(53:23):
very big help. Here's wide receiver coach Chad O'Shea asked
if wide receiver Deontay Johnson has a lot of catching
up to do.

Speaker 4 (53:30):
I would say this, anybody new to our system, which
Deontay is has, has a long way to go, whether
it's a rookie or a free agent acquisition or somebody
that we signed in the off season. So I think
with all of our new players, there's always a long
way to go. Certainly, he's trying to get out here
and get caught up to speed, learning our offense, learning
how we do things, and learning as teammates. So training camp,

(53:52):
he'll be here and we look forward to working with him.
And uh, you know, the more he can be out there,
the more he has an opportunity to play.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
He and he is the answer to It's kind of
a lottery ticket. If he's right and healthy and good
to go and locked in, then receiver can change in hurry.
I sung with Andrew and I were talking about this yesterday.
Like him and Tillman are the two guys who that
that the ceiling on both those guys is a little
higher than the other guys that are there outside of Jerry.

(54:21):
So if he can be there, then then you got
then that room looks much better, much better.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
Well, you need them both, Yeah, because outside of Jerry Judy,
I mean, Jamari Thrash look good this week, but again
he's going from year one to year two. Tilman, you
know can do it, You've seen him do it, but
injuries have plugged him a little bit. The concussion last
year was pretty serious. Obviously. Deontae said, I had a

(54:49):
bad year. I had one bad year, bad, five good ones.
I had one bad. Okay, I'm counting on that.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (54:56):
We we need that in a desperate way because we
have to have guys that can get downfield to open
up everything underneath for the tight ends and running backs.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
Yeah, there's no question that that is needed. The great
Hoff was on RBS earlier this week. Let's start with
the question of can someone stand out in mini camp
and separate themselves from the pack.

Speaker 11 (55:15):
I think you can make a difference, and I think
the guys in that room really will start to see
players separate themselves at that quarterback position, and they'll start
to understand where that pecking order is. I think it's
a little bit harder for a fan, even if I
were sitting at practice after playing for eleven years with
the Browns, because I don't know exactly what the quarterbacks
are being told on that play. I don't know where

(55:35):
the reds are. It's a little hard to tell. Yeah,
you can tell if somebody completed the past, but this
if scripted, you know, for success or for certain things
to be seen in that practice, like maybe they want
to have Schoud or see Blitz this from his left side.
They want to see a Vegan escape to his right.
So they're putting them in situations they want to see him.
And so it's really not an apples to apples comparison

(55:56):
from a fan standpoint. But if you're in those meeting
rooms and you're sitting there with those quarterbacks, you're sitting
there with those other players as receivers, Like that's the
people that will really start to be able to tell
you like, hey, this guy is really doing a great
job he's as advertised, or this person separating himself or
Flacco still looks really good. You know, that's where you'll

(56:17):
really start to be able to tell, and where you'll
have guys separating themselves and then it'll kind of set
you up because I think going into training camp, you'll
get a better idea of all right, this is our
starter right now, right, and then this is where those
other guys are falling.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
Yeah, I mean it's like we've been saying all week,
all the pieces matter, and so every chance you get.
We were at that same event of referenced a couple
of times. There was a young young boy who asked
a question about es ab who practices the hardest, which was,
you know, a great question. Maybe answered Look, I mean
they all you know, he wasn't going to do, you know,
nail name someone by name. But I followed up and

(56:53):
I said, and I think this is true. There is
no time to not go your hardest out here. It's
an hour and a half, an hour and fifteen minutes.
It's so minimal, and it's your job. And so like,
if you're out here half asking it in the league,
you won't be in it long. Correct, It's kind of
the answer. So like and for so many guys, like

(57:13):
every single piece, every rep is so critical to trying
to sustain or create an NFL career, there really is
no time. Well think about it.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
You had guys from college, you know, first or second
year players that their college just paid them to go
there and play football. Yeah, and you came in here
and you go, all right, great, I'll do my thing.
You'll pay me to do this. Oh wait, there's ninety
people here. Fifty three are going to make the roster,

(57:46):
and that back end of the roster could change. All
of these guys are playing for livelihoods, yep, to feed
their families. And we can talk about how much a
player makes or doesn't make. Fine, I understand you know
that they're compensated and compensated very well.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
That that's what sports is. Uh huh.

Speaker 3 (58:05):
But the difference between being in the league and being
and not being in the league, there's there's a fine line,
and it's a slippery slope, and you have to be
at your best this time of year, especially because this
determines your reps come training camp.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
Yeah, and if you slip down that slope too far,
it's really tough to dig your way back out.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
And then, like if you're a if you're a third
or four string guy, you might get in eleven on eleven,
seven on seven's in training camp, you might get four reps,
five reps, and if you don't stand out, you're just
a guy yep, and then you're gone.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
Absolutely.

Speaker 7 (58:44):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
Here is haff on RBS. What the players need to
do for the next five weeks before camp officially starts.

Speaker 11 (58:50):
More than anything, I think, especially for the veteran guys,
but even for the rookies too. You got to have
that clear head, right, You've got to get away from football.
You got to get away from the media. You got
to get away from all that pressure. You're still focused
on all right, what are the things that I don't
do very well? How do I work on them? You know,
you're not only are you doing your lifting and your conditioning,

(59:10):
but you're doing position specific work.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
Yeah. I mean we talked with Kevin, talked about that,
the players. We've talked about that a lot. It's uh,
you got to clear your head a little bit. So
five weeks off for those guys and then they'll be
back for training camp. In Non Brown's news busy yesterday
down in Columbus athletic director ross By Orke I'll summarize
this is some of the kind of the big headlines
from this. Number One, they have to give away twenty

(59:35):
and a half million dollars now because of the house settlement,
they have to pay that money to certain players. They
decided that they're going to pay football men's basketball, women's basketball,
and women's volleyball are the four athletic programs at Ohio
State that are going to receive money from that, and
that the last two for title nine reasons, and the
reason they picked volleyball is because of the importance it

(59:58):
is in the Big Ten. So he also reiterated they're
going to keep all thirty six varsity sports, which is
just impossible for me to wrap my head around that
they're going to do that. Ohio State currently has more
men's sports than Texas has total sports, and they're the
most like athletic departments of the country. Just to give
an example of how big it is. Everything with college

(01:00:19):
sports is going to change every day. There's gonna be
lawsuit after lawsuit after lawsuit, none of it. Write it
all in number two pencil. Don't write anything it ain't
because it's not worth the paper it's written on if
you do. One of the things that's been an issue
all year for them all off season has been the
idea of noon games. Ohio State fans are fatigued that
basically every big game they play has to be at noon.

(01:00:41):
Ross Bjork, who is awesome, is the athletic director of
Ohio State. Now, he had some comments about that yesterday,
probably the most direct I've ever heard in Ohio State
administrator discuss these type of matters, which is why I
like him so much. Here's ross.

Speaker 12 (01:00:55):
Look, I think our program, our fans deserve some marquee
night games. But really, at the end of the day,
there's no flexibility in the contracts. Fox bought the noon window,
CBS bought the afternoon window, and NBC has the night window,
and then the Big Ten network in Peacock, you know,
layer into that. So what we need is we need
more flexibility. Can that happen anytime soon? I don't know,

(01:01:15):
but I think every program should deserve the right to
have way more flexibility. We have carried the day for
Big Noon. There's no question about it if you look
at the viewership. So we understand why Fox went with
Big Noon. We understand why we're picked all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
Yeah, they're picked all the time because they deliver ratings.
And there's really only two programs in the Big ten
that can deliver ratings at noon, and it's Ohio State
and Michigan. Everything else is it falls off a cliff
pretty dramatically. What I mean by Kerrie Big noon is
Ohio State, especially in Michigan. To a lesser extent, you
can play Ohio State Rutgers at noon and get three
and a half million people to watch. Michigan's close that

(01:01:51):
Ohio State's only one that can do that. You cannot
do that with, for example, Penn State. Penn State has
to play Wisconsin or another decently branded in order for
them to get around three million. So the reality is
is that Ohio State is way over taxed by playing
big noon. It was all in the fine print of
the contract they signed with Fox. Fox has the first

(01:02:11):
three picks in the television draft, and inevitably they pick
Ohio State Michigan first, and usually the big non conference
game for Ohio State second. The reason that they didn't
get Oregon last year's because you can't play at noon
in Eugene. And so the other part of this is
the Big Ten added four teams on the West Coast
that can't play at noon, So there's no way to
ever play USC, UCLA, Washington, Oregon at noon in that window.

(01:02:34):
So what that means is that until twenty twenty nine,
when this contract is up. I really believe this to
be true, every Top ten game Ohio State plays in
the Horseshoe will be played at noon, and that sucks
and the fans are sick of it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:47):
And I don't blame him. Yeah, should be. Here's my question,
because we talk. He mentioned all the networks. Yeah, what's
going on Big ten network with what with anything?

Speaker 12 (01:02:59):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
What do you mean what's college football?

Speaker 7 (01:03:01):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
Do they stop? Yeah? Of course, yeah, they got a
game at noon, three thirty and seven. It's it's Rutgers,
it's Maryland, it's Minnesota, it's Illinois, it's Northwestern, it's Purdue,
it's Indiana. Dude. Think of the garbage brands in that league. Yeah,
there's a ton of the haves and have nots. Oh dude,
and there there's eight teams in that league that can't

(01:03:23):
draw a million people to watch. Half the league is nonsense,
doesn't and doesn't mean their football programs are I think
their football programs, some of them are very good and
are probably better than they get credit for. I'm talking
about their branding. Who cares about Purdue football than people
who went to Purdue.

Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
I'll wait, Yeah, No, you're right, You're not wrong. I
don't I don't know what you if your a Big
ten network. What do you say, are you able to
sell that? Are you able to sell those games?

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
They built that net, They built that conference on the
idea of cable by matting forever, and cable buy doesn't
matter as much anymore. It still matters, but it doesn't
as much. And so that's why they added Maryland and Rutgers.
If you were to jump in a in a DeLorean
and throw a banana in it and misrefusion and go back,
they had a chance. After they grabbed Nebraska, they could

(01:04:15):
have grabbed Texas and Oklahoma and Oklahoma state probably that
I would have been a proponent of that, but there
was talk of Kansas too. But you could have got
Texas in Oklahoma. That's what you should have done. That
would have lifted Nebraska, would have give them people to
play with in their sandbox, would have kept Texas recruiting
open for Nebraska. So they could have done that traditional
rivalries with all three, and then you would have had

(01:04:36):
a lot of You would have been able to share
kind of in the big noon responsibilities. You would have
been able to share in all of it. They thought
if they were in the New York and DC markets
that that would matter most and it never. It didn't
matter in the moment other than for short term gain
of cable buy, and it sure as hell doesn't matter
ten years later, over ten years later, when all that
really matters is are you a football entity that we

(01:04:58):
can sell? Because none of those programs, none of them are. Yeah.
So not that I don't have a lot to say
on that, or haven't already said, this is what we do.
One other thing, this is interesting. Brian Rolap, longtime NFL
executive who considered as a potential successor to NFL commission

(01:05:18):
Roger Goodell, is leaving his post as the league's EVP
to become the PGA tour CEO. He's been with the
NFL for twenty two years. That's a tough job, PGA
tour CEO, with the live stuff. How do you even what?
I don't Why leave the league? Maybe just to prove
Maybe go out on your own for two years until
Goodell retires, so that you can prove to the owners

(01:05:41):
that you can run it well. I would think it'd
be pretty good if Goodell retires. Maybe that's it. Maybe
that's what the whole thing is. Like, go show you
can build your own sandbox, and you can come back
and play in ours.

Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
Yeah, but that how often does that actually work?

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
Well? I think Godel's got a couple of years left. Yeah.
So now to your point, I think the job he
just took one of the toughest jobs in professional sports.

Speaker 3 (01:06:04):
And if you're fail start, you're not getting back in
the sandbox.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
Well, to be fair, how can it be worse than
it is? They've lost half their best players to a
rival tour. Yeah, it's not in a good place at all.
I mean, you got Rory doesn't talk two weeks for
two weeks like you got. It's it's a bit of
a mess. Yeahs as it currently stands. We'll get Gerard's
view of what he saw from Mini camp. Coming up

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now Girod Cherry joining us from from the east bank
of the flats. I believe is your UH is your location,
my friend? All right, you were out here, I saw you.
So the conversations that we had in the lobby now

(01:07:29):
we'll have on the air, my friend, at least some
of them will keep some bit between you and I.
Obviously I heard that from from a from your perspective.
Did this team get done what it needed to get
done in mini camp? Yeah? It did.

Speaker 9 (01:07:44):
And the main reason why I say that boat is
because of the fact they set a tone, and that
tone was, no, we're not gonna lolly gag. We're not
gonna just prancing around. We're gonna do things with more
intention and more intensity, and we're gonna go out there
and get after it, and we're gonna test you guys,
and we're gonna make it more physically challenging. They needed
to do that because last year was not the case.

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
One of the things I had UH Kevin Sefanski and
studio with me yesterday, and I didn't expect him to
tell me the plan, but I know that he has one,
and I know all of these reps matter. If you
were him and you had this situation that we have
at quarterback with four guys, incredibly different backgrounds, ages, all
of it. It's a really diverse group. How would you

(01:08:27):
How would you conduct this competition to make sure that
everyone is doing the same things, in other words, so
that the playing field is level for every single guy
to be able to try to win the job.

Speaker 9 (01:08:39):
Great question, And what I would do bo is I
make sure there were the equal amount of underneath throws,
intermediate throws, and deep throws. And I would also make sure,
in some way, somehow that I would scheme it so
that the defense is giving me the same looks and
who does better in those scenarios. But more so, what
I would do is make sure that I want to
see who's overcoming. I already have a defense that's geared

(01:09:01):
toward this guy's failure, but who can still make a play.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
That's how I would go about it, and I would.

Speaker 9 (01:09:06):
Divvy it up, and whoever's making plays in situations where
they're not supposed to make plays, that tells me that
I have an elevator on my on my side and
I have a guy who can handle it. That's how
I would go about it, and then I, like I said,
I give a nice distribution in which everyone's getting reps
with the ones, the twos or threes in the fours,
and I'm rotating.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
To that end. How long can they keep this up
with four in the camp?

Speaker 9 (01:09:31):
Ten days maximum?

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
Yeah, me too, ten days because.

Speaker 9 (01:09:36):
At some point once Carolina or we go there rather
and Philly is on the horizon, Yeah, you'll still have
a chance to do that, and you'll probably single it
down to two guys. It won't be four anymore. So
that'll help the call, so to speak. But as you
get closer and closer to that game against the Rams,
that guy needs to be identified.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
In my mind, I couldn't agree with you more. And
I think that And Kevin talked about this with me
yesterday and he's addressed it a couple of times. I
know throughout spring, those those joint practices are the most
important things that are And now those preseason games are
gonna be big two and you're gonna be on the
sidelines for all those But like all of those reps

(01:10:13):
are gonna matter for all of those guys in terms
of the big picture. But to me, you've got to
have two guys two, not three, even gerd, You've gotta
have two guys that are kind of in the competition
at those two men at those two joint practices, because
I don't think otherwise it's spread way too thin. There
just isn't enough time to get everybody the ample reps, right.

Speaker 9 (01:10:33):
Because at some point, and we see each year, yes
you still I say the first ten days of training
camp are competition mode, and this always competition. So let
me preface it by saying that at some point you
start to have to go down the path of formulating
the bonds of a team, right, and not every man

(01:10:53):
for himself mentality or I'm trying to get mine, so
I'm fighting for the starring position. I mean, you always
working towards a team intality, but it really has to
start honing in and starting with the messaging of we're
a team. This is what we're going to accomplish. But
in order to do that, it certainly requires that you
have a guy who is pronounced as your leader on
the offensive side of the ball defensively, I don't think
we're gonna have a problem identifying those guys and putting

(01:11:15):
them in a position of power to lead offensively.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
It has to be the quarterback.

Speaker 9 (01:11:19):
In my mind, he has to play a pre eminent
part in the whole idea of leadership and directing his
team and guys following his lead. So I think after
ten days you start transitioning towards that. And at the
end of training camp, when guys look around and see
that the ninety guys that started with him aren't there,
they can look across the field and identify that's a captain,

(01:11:40):
that's a leader.

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
That's a guy who's.

Speaker 9 (01:11:41):
Gonna help us get there, and I'm gonna follow his lead,
or I'm gonna do my part from a player to
player accountability standpoint.

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
Give me one thought all four quarterbacks. Okay, from what
you saw this week.

Speaker 9 (01:11:54):
Joe Flacco, I didn't see much activity, but I saw
promising that in my mind, he's still the best quarterback
out there.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
Go to Kenny Pickett.

Speaker 9 (01:12:01):
I saw a situation in which he had moments to
where I said, Okay, I see what they're thinking, I
see what they're feeling regards to him, but there needs
to be more consistency with making plays. Same thing I
felt with Gabriel as well is that, Okay, you're getting
great opportunities make more plays. But I'm also encouraged by
the fact that you bounce back from having a rough outing.
The same thing with Kenny Pickett as well, but with

(01:12:23):
Gabriel though it took place in the same practice. With Kenny,
it took place the next day and shed it. To
his credit, he's been consistently delivering the football, and that's
really what I would say regards to him, is that
it's been consistent and he's shown the mosk with throwing
the deep passes as well.

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
He throws a nice ball, doesn't.

Speaker 9 (01:12:41):
He, Yeah, certainly does so to his credit, well, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
Yeah, yeah, he sees it well, he layers it well.
I thought Dylan really shined yesterday. I'm sorry, uh, Wednesday,
Wednesday in the play action game.

Speaker 9 (01:12:55):
Yeah, well, like I said that Wednesday, it started off rough.
It was like zerover three and not able to get
the passes off. And it has something to do with
obviously the protection, but it just wasn't clean. It wasn't
what you wanted to see. But again, once he got
into that second half of practices, like a whole different
quarterback was out there.

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
The confidence was.

Speaker 9 (01:13:14):
There, delivered the football and then you could feel and
since his presence after that, So that was encouraging because
a lot of people don't bounce back from that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
No, no, good point, all right. In terms of the
other new guys, uh, Swessenger at linebacker, it's hard with
Graham because we're not in pads and so it's hard,
you know, that's so difficult to detackle. But you can
see Sweastnger running space, you can see the two backs,
and you can see Fannin. Did any of those have
moments that you paid attention to over the last couple

(01:13:43):
of days. Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:13:44):
I love the way Sweassenger ran across the field, was
in the right position and just seems like a guy
ready to go and make plays, so that you certainly
appreciate Harold Fannin. Man, I haven't seen him drop a ball.
It's like once the ball is in his vicinity, it's caught.
And they went to him on active back to back
plays and he showed no signs of fatigue. Bow He
showed no signs of saying okay, I need a break

(01:14:05):
or a blow or anything like that. So I really
do think that we have something special to him. And
you didn't ask me about the rookies running backs. Same
thing with those guys. I see explosiveness. I see guys
who are understanding that it's about hitting the hole and
once you get into the open field, turn.

Speaker 1 (01:14:19):
On the juice.

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
Yeah he did. Yeah. They they're all those guys are
They all look great? Young guys look great. It's an
exciting they really do. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:14:30):
Jerro. To me, it looked like the defense had their
swagger back. Yes, yes, I didn't see that. I we
didn't see it in season. But I feel like there
was a lot of chirping. There was a lot of talking.
And this is a defense that knows their deep. They
have a ton of guys on the defensive line. They

(01:14:52):
their secondary is well rounded, the safeties are they've got
some experience, and the linebacker crew. I know they've lost
Jail okay, but they feel like they made up for it.
This defense looks like they have their swagger back.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
No doubt about. The swag was in full effect.

Speaker 9 (01:15:08):
The personality was out there and you heard it, you
sensed it, and they let the offense know every time
they made it play and they dominated that they again,
they pronounced it with no issues and no problems, and
they were having fun. Now the offense they did their thing,
but in comparison it was not even close. It's like
one was Mount Rushmore about the or Mount Saint Helens
rather about the blow up. Another was a quiet scene

(01:15:29):
in mouse Mount Rushmore, so the defense being Saint Helens
and the offense being Rushmore. We need that same type
of vibe on the offensive side of football, and I
think we'll get that once we figure out what's going
on with for our quarterback situation. But the defense, to
their credit, like you said, give me, they dominated and
they let you know about it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:47):
So offensively, just a whole team standpoint quarterback. Obviously, biggest
question is the second biggest question wide receiver.

Speaker 9 (01:15:55):
I knew you were going to say that, and the
answer is yes, it is wide receiver. Because you pay
to love Jerry Judy and from what I saw the
two days that I observed Mini camp, it was clear
to me that Deontay Johnson, with the guys who will participate,
was your second best receiver. So not a question becomes.
As he said yesterday, don't judge me on one year

(01:16:16):
of my career. I've had five promising years in the
National Football League. Don't judge me on what took place
last year. I'm gonna hold him to that and not
judge him, but I certainly felt that he and Judy
were in a class by himself, and there are a
couple other guys who have a great opportunity here like
what I saw that thrash and he has.

Speaker 3 (01:16:33):
Said Tillman, I didn't see him.

Speaker 9 (01:16:36):
I can't comment on hm because I didn't see him,
but we do need him to do something.

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
Yeah, Draw, and I agree with you. I actually think
like you don't need to the quarterback is fine, You're
gonna someone's gonna emerge out of there might be a couple.
I actually think receiver either either Deontay Johnson needs to
revert back to what he was at the start of
last year, Cedric Tillman needs to be who he was drafted.
And even if both of those things happened, I still
think you might need to add a guy. I think

(01:17:01):
you need more weaponry in that room. And if those
other two things remain ifs, then I think absolutely you
have got to be aggressive and try to acquire somebody
else on the outside to be somebody that defenses have
to contend with.

Speaker 9 (01:17:14):
Yeah, because you want to be in a spot to
where you don't want to have a situation. As a
former dB, I could tell you there are teams you
play against me like, no one who's gonna run by
me on the squad, and we have to identify that
guy who's gonna be our over the top guy who's
gonna be our guy to wear. A defensive coordinator and
a secondary coach is saying, uh, yeah, we would have
some current concerns here. We need to establish that because

(01:17:35):
if it's all intermediate undernease stuff, yeah, we can nickel
and dime with that, but at some point, you know
what's gonna happen. Teams gonna adjust, So we certainly need
a guy who can one do that very well. We
got that in Judy and I think you got that
in Johnson.

Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
But if you are a.

Speaker 9 (01:17:47):
Deep threat guy, you have a great opportunity right now
to present yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
Yeah, it's forty days till this team's back, forty days
till we start training camp in the season. What's your
advice If you you could talk to those this football team,
and you could talk to them yesterday at eleven fifty
nine before they left it noon.

Speaker 9 (01:18:06):
Ah, it's a really simple message. You did not do
all this hard work in the offseason to let it
go with forty days and forty nights of inactivity, though
you have a break, find balance, find a way in
which one you're still working out, you're still in that book,
and you're still studying being a student of the game,

(01:18:26):
and you're taking care of business. But more importantly, you
are getting your mind, body, and soul ready to play
football for two hundred and one days in which you're
gonna give your all. You're gonna sacrifice yourself minimally, physically, spiritually,
emotionally so that you do not play a part in
being a three and fourteen football team. And on top
of that, stay the hell out of trouble and min

(01:18:47):
your own damn business.

Speaker 2 (01:18:49):
All right, I'll get you out of here on This
is how I started the show today. If you were
a unencumbered mid to early twenties NFL player and you
were given forty days off, where would you go? Would
not own a shirt? Where are you going? Now? You've
got an extended break? Where are you going? See?

Speaker 9 (01:19:10):
Now, this is a problem because Girodd suspected from the
past that gives us alluded to the guy who had
the shirt off in the club.

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
He's probably in.

Speaker 9 (01:19:17):
Southeast Asia or the mal d somewhere, or South America.
But knowing what I know, now, let that stuff. When
you retire, you can do all that. Dog, there's nothing
wrong with being in northeast Ohio right now.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
It's the perfect time to be here or.

Speaker 9 (01:19:39):
Go somewhere, go somewhere high elevation and train there. And
that's the problem with this forty day deal. A lot
of guys think, Okay, that's a break.

Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
There's no break.

Speaker 9 (01:19:49):
You are still you need to come into training camp.
And on top of that, okay, I'm about to be
old man Gerid right here. You don't have double days,
so there are no excuses. You're not gonna get physically warm,
worn out. Did you feel like you're gonna die? So
what you need to do is put yourself as coast

(01:20:10):
to Fancy's talked about it. Hearden yourself, tough in yourself,
don't wear yourself out. But at the same time, still
push yourself at least one or two times a week
doing his forty day absence of not being in training camp.

Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
It's great talking to you, buddy, and we'll hear you
on the next level, my friend. As always, take care guys,
all right there, he goes, Jarrod Cherry joining us. The
next level will follow us here in about twenty minutes
or so, we will open up that mail bag coming
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Bobby's been doing work.

Speaker 3 (01:21:14):
Bobby's got up, Bobby's got hey, Bobby, Bobby's got.

Speaker 2 (01:21:18):
Enough segments for the next two weeks and not for
the clown I thought. I think was trying to get
involved in that too.

Speaker 3 (01:21:22):
These are these are the work, but I wanted to
get to a couple. Go ahead, Uh j Mex helping
me out. Uh got a few from the YouTube stream.

Speaker 2 (01:21:31):
Yeah, I want to do those and we'll keep doing
that as the summer goes along. On the if you're
on the YouTube stream and have a question, we will
we will get those answered. The complainer.

Speaker 3 (01:21:39):
Okay, he's got two questions for a non football mail
bag question. Would you attend a wedding without bringing your
family slash spouse if I had to destination and I Yeah,
my wife's gone to plenty of weddings in the fall
without me.

Speaker 2 (01:21:57):
Yeah. Yeah, my wife went last fall to one without me. No,
I yeah, I mean, I'm not crazy about it, but
I will. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:22:05):
It sucks, Yeah, it is what it is. This is
an interesting one. Rate the AFC North teams from one
to four on how important winning the Super Bowl is
this year.

Speaker 2 (01:22:18):
From a fan perspective, Ravens, Bengals, Steelers us See. I
think I'd put Pittsburgh one. No, Baltimore's won. From a
fan perspective's Baltimore, they gotta win. I mean, how how
long are you gonna have Lamar Jackson's prime? And Derreck
Henry is still upright in running Downhill. I think Baltimore

(01:22:40):
and and Buffalo have the most pressure in the whole league.
I think all the rest of the league combined doesn't
have those two teams pressure. They got it.

Speaker 3 (01:22:48):
I put him to then I'd put the Bengals at
three because I think the Bengals also know Bengal fans
know they they don't have a defense like they don't.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
But like you're also I mean, Burrows twenty nine, you know,
Chasing Higgins, You got those both sign you're gonna probably
one more year with Hendrickson once they get that resolved. Yeah,
I mean I don't know that anybody. I don't know
that Pittsburgh can go from like, hey, nobody over here
wants Aaron Rodgers to if we don't win the super Bowl,
it's a disappointment. Like then that's what they were all, Oh,

(01:23:20):
we don't want Rogers. Okay, well I'm guessing you're happy
about it now.

Speaker 3 (01:23:26):
I would think, yeah, eh, but they're Pittsburgh fans, So yeah,
there's a sense of intelligence level. There's a certain intelligence
level that they don't necessarily meet. Be careful, give me
those are your people should be. But four, could Jamari
Thrash be a valid number? Three might have to be.

Speaker 2 (01:23:46):
Not an ideal world No, but he can play. I
mean he looked good and he physically looks good. But
that's what I meant by what I was saying when
I said, like the ceiling for Deontae and said that
allows for a three person receiver room that and you're
gonna need six five at least, you know, to start
it out. So no, I think it's I think they

(01:24:09):
need those guys to come along and Thrash can Thrash
can play? Yeah, but I don't think you want to?
Yeah he did.

Speaker 3 (01:24:16):
Robert Christie rounds out the YouTube section today. How's Mason
Graham look? Nobody talks about him? It's true, no one.
We're trying to get him in the studio next week.

Speaker 2 (01:24:26):
Actually with you, here's the hard part with uh, with Mace,
this is a non padded activity everything. So when you
are a defensive tackle, how much can you do? Yeah?
How much can you do? He looks great and he's
gonna be leaders and all this stuff, and but yeah,

(01:24:46):
I mean that's part of it is the position. Then
part of it's the fact that you don't have any
any pads on it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:51):
Robert, I can tell you this. The first team defensive
line that was out there for eleven on Eleven's the
other day on the final day was your ends were
Alex Wright and Miles Garrett. Your defensive tackles were Mason
Graham and MALIEK.

Speaker 2 (01:25:06):
Collins. It's pretty pretty good.

Speaker 7 (01:25:09):
Ye.

Speaker 3 (01:25:09):
And for him to be already in that first group
in a very deep room, I think you'll take all
day now in the individual workouts. Looks super fast. Again,
you don't have pads on, but he's got. He's deceptively quick.
So there's a little something for you, little something for
the effort. Dog Bound Cleveland Brown, I want to know

(01:25:32):
if you have ever been to the Cleveland Aquarium and
would you rate it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:36):
I've not been. I don't even know we had one.

Speaker 3 (01:25:39):
The aquarium used to be at the zoo, and then
it used to be out like off of MLK way
back when I was a little kid, and now it's
down on the west bank of the Flats. It was
Ricky's wedding. You could see the shark tank.

Speaker 2 (01:25:50):
I'll be damn. There you go.

Speaker 3 (01:25:52):
The closest I've been to the new one. I couldn't
tell you.

Speaker 2 (01:25:55):
Quaint and nice guys. Quaint and quaint and nice from keV.
There you go. There you go, a big natural history museum. Guy.
We members there when the boys are really little. That
place was great.

Speaker 3 (01:26:05):
Yeah, nope, agreed, Uh, all right, so we should get
into these Bobby questions. Babby, do you think you could
fight off fifteen cats?

Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
Yes, that's what we're leading off with. Yep, Yes we could. Yep,
I could. Next. I don't even know what that means. Easy.

Speaker 3 (01:26:27):
What do you think of putt putt courses?

Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
What?

Speaker 3 (01:26:33):
What do you think of putt putt course? Would you
would do if you brought your own putter?

Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
I have nothing. They don't do it. I don't care.
They're happy about it. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:26:43):
By the way, there was there was a time growing
up the Memphis Kitty Park, great little park for kids
under the age of five. Yeah, totally recommend. It's still there.
Awesome place, big Dipper roller coaster.

Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
Like it took the there all the time. Little Yeah,
there you go, Memphis Kittie Park. I grew up there.

Speaker 3 (01:27:03):
There was a there was a putt putt course there.

Speaker 2 (01:27:05):
Nice.

Speaker 3 (01:27:06):
Do you know that that putt putt course. At one
time when ESPN needed filler, would do Putt putt World
Tours or not world Tour, but like a putt putt
competitions competition tour, and they would broadcast from the Memphis
Kittie Park.

Speaker 2 (01:27:22):
Oh that's cool. No, I DIDPN back in the day.
That's great.

Speaker 3 (01:27:26):
Great putt putt course. Great one down the street here,
Bagley Road, there's a dairy queen.

Speaker 2 (01:27:31):
That you get yourself a blizzard and then you play
a little putt putt. Nobody loses, no one.

Speaker 3 (01:27:36):
There's a there's also a driving range knock out everything.

Speaker 2 (01:27:39):
There you go, yep uh.

Speaker 3 (01:27:42):
Do you have any ideas how we could solve the
brain rot of America? Well, we have one minute left
in this segment, and.

Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
I got too much on my plate, Bobby, I got
too much. I'm just trying to keep everybody. What am
I supposed to do? With the fact that Herb Street
named his most recent dog bow and spelt it the
same way that my name is spelled, you should text
him and find out. Yeah, what are you doing here? Man?
Come on, Herbie. I guess it's a sign of a thing. Well,
he can't spell it, Bo, you can spell it the

(01:28:13):
other way, Bo, Jackson's the other way.

Speaker 5 (01:28:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
The other Golden Retrievers aren't going to make fun of him.

Speaker 3 (01:28:17):
No, No, did Bo Michigan bow Sean Beckler?

Speaker 2 (01:28:22):
Well, he was a buck Eye too. He was a
Buckeye too. He was on Woody's staff. He's got gold
pants he had gold pants. Can you imagine that? No,
put yourself you think about how vitriolic that rivalry is,
and that of course set it off the ten year war.
But the idea that that Bo bow Wood he both
coached at Miami, then Bo's on Woody's staff, and then

(01:28:45):
he goes to become the head coach at Miami and
then gets hired at Michigan. All of a sudden, a
guy who was one of your closest friends at coaching
goes to the most hated rival thing you hate more
than anything in the world. Yeah, and then you guys
compete for a decade.

Speaker 3 (01:28:57):
Yeah, crazy thirty seconds. What is the most out of
pocket thing your kids have said recently?

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
NBC sent me on Instagram of like of like how
hard it is being the oldest son and just how
grueling it all is for him, and which then led
to just a straight comedy back and forth between him
and I that I just thought was incredible. I gotta
find this. He goes, so, good night, love you watch this.

(01:29:33):
So it was this thing and then so then I said,
you do realize I was the firstborn as well, and
he responded, so you know the hardships of having to
provide and protect without being fragile. Where did that come from?
Oh my god, I said, the hard knock life on
the West side of Hudson. It's so good because real
my friends don't even know about the Boston Heights life

(01:29:56):
that killed me. It's a good job out of him,
very good job out of him. Good so much we
good jeb it to you too, Bobby, So much more
to come. Cleveland Brod Daily fifty ESP and Cleveland.

Speaker 1 (01:30:09):
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Speaker 2 (01:30:26):
All Right, there you go kids, Happy Father's Day. Absolutely
everybody out there. Yeah, absolutely, enjoy yourselves. Hopefully the rain
comes in and gets out and you're able to enjoy
yourselves and and uh and enjoy it should be a
fun us open to watch. It's carnage over there this
weekend and the next weekend we're back.

Speaker 3 (01:30:43):
What happens if they get rained out tomorrow they can
play Sunday Monday.

Speaker 2 (01:30:48):
Yeah maybe you know they got they got rid of
the full eighteen Monday round. Now it's just the two
holes aggregate. It's a good question. I yeah, I don't know.
I haven't looked at it to see if it's like
all day rain there or what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:31:00):
Yeah, I don't it's not great. It wasn't great yesterday.
I don't know what today is right now.

Speaker 2 (01:31:04):
The projected cut is plus five, so there you go,
and Helgebrera wanted it plus five in like six, so
that's RO seven. Next levels coming up next. Have a
great weekend, everybody. Cleveland Bruns Daily, eight fifty ESPN Cleveland.

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