Minicamp Day One Review - Cleveland Browns Daily - 6.10.25

On this episode of CBD, Browns OL Dawand Jones (6:38) and radio voice of the Browns Andrew Siciliano join the show to break down the first practice of minicamp (1:03:43). Plus, hear from DE Myles Garrett (:24), QB Dillon Gabriel (22:45), and QB Shedeur Sanders (50:09).

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
All right, welcome into Cleveland Brown's Daily Mini camp is underway.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
Let's go straight to the podium. And Miles Garrett, well, like.

Speaker 4 (00:24):
I said, being that leader, set in that standard and
no showing guys how it's done, they said, of expecting
them to to know it. You know, guys come from
different places, come from college, and you got to you
gotta push them in the right direction. You gotta guide them.

Speaker 5 (00:36):
But do you think this team could be better than
you thought it would be.

Speaker 6 (00:40):
I know they'll be better. I know we will be better.

Speaker 7 (00:44):
Your early impressions of this young quarterback, obviously we see
him for the past couple of months. We got got some
reps with them today and just what are your impresion
seeing him on the field in the building.

Speaker 4 (00:54):
Well, oh lord, the divine interventions, I mean I only
really saw doing today, you know, as far as getting
reps in this team, and uh, it was composed play.

Speaker 6 (01:11):
Running the offense pretty well.

Speaker 4 (01:12):
His eyes got pretty big when I you know, got
free and I was face up on 'em. But you
know all of 'em look pretty no calm, no, just
you know, going through their textans, going through their calls,
you know, making the players they need to make, not
doing too much right now, and you know they'll have
time to continue to they'll display their talents and it
was just one day, one day at a time. Continue

(01:34):
to you know, earn the trust or your coaches and
your teammates and I think you know they'll be able
to open up the game.

Speaker 8 (01:40):
So you just express the.

Speaker 9 (01:41):
Utmost confidence that you know this team will be better
than your saw the activities. So just wondering what's kind
of giving your hi visuations.

Speaker 4 (01:49):
Know being here, you know, always standing in communication with
the the guys see and how they're working, and continue to, uh,
you know, be a presence even while I I'm not
no physically here, but I'm back and now it's it's
time to go.

Speaker 6 (02:03):
We have any conversations with some of the guys.

Speaker 4 (02:06):
Like Denzel and coming back after the hectic off season,
everything that happened with trade and press and everything like
for sure, yup, I've talk to the guys and you
know they they understand. You know, it's it's it's a
it's a business. And you know, uh we we love
what we do and and you know, I love this
team and he understand that.

Speaker 6 (02:23):
You know, I was, you know, trying to do what's
best for me.

Speaker 4 (02:26):
And you know, after talking with him and like I said,
no months ago, you know, talking with A B and
and keV, you know, what's what's best for me and
what's specially so eventually got a line and we we
you know, looking forward, you know, to the future of
this team and and how we can uh you know,
achieve the the goals that we.

Speaker 10 (02:43):
Want to do to uh help get.

Speaker 8 (02:47):
The most how uh your teammates.

Speaker 11 (02:51):
Everyone knows what you can do as an individual, but for.

Speaker 12 (02:55):
You guys to get this thing on tracks and it
it has to come from the players. So what can
you to help extract the very best out of your teammates?

Speaker 4 (03:06):
I think the the intensity and the urgency just has
to take another level, uh t take it another level
up rather and uh I can't expect you know, someone
else would do it on any other side of the
ball or any other position.

Speaker 13 (03:21):
Room.

Speaker 4 (03:21):
You know, gotta be the leader in the entire team.
And uh you know that's that's what's been uh laid
out for me. You know, like like you've said, Jimmy
said it, No, Kevin said it. You know, I I'll
take the reins and I'll I'll be that guy.

Speaker 7 (03:36):
What's a mess?

Speaker 14 (03:37):
What's the outgoing message to Nick Chubb as he starts
a new.

Speaker 8 (03:39):
Chapter of his group.

Speaker 4 (03:42):
I love Nick, and I think a lot of the
guys go out in this locker room and still feel
the same way, you know as I do.

Speaker 6 (03:49):
Uh It it crushed.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
Us to see him get injured and I'll have to
battle through and then you know it happened again. So
you know we we want the very best for him.
Uh happy to see him. Uh I'm still able to play,
still able to do his thing. You don't wanna see him,
you know, go back to being the player that he
was and have a smile on his face, continue to
you know, ball.

Speaker 14 (04:09):
Out is up lobbying to get him back on the blobby.

Speaker 4 (04:12):
Yeah, I'm that was part of my uh talks with
uh Ab you know a couple of months ago, no asking.
You know, the situation went neck and know how that's
gonna that's gonna work out and you know how we
can get him back here, cause I know he he
means a lot to the fans that he means a
lot too to us as well in the locker room.
So you know, it's a it's a emotional blow and

(04:34):
not have him here. But you know, well, you know,
we we gotta keep on moving, keep on trucking. And
we we got some very talented, you know backs in
that room. You know, some some young hungry guys who
have a hell of an example, uh to watch and
some some shoes to fill. But uh, you know, he's
he's one of their best to to ever do it
in the Brown and Orange, and we appreciate everything he's done.

Speaker 10 (04:54):
You've seen him, You've seen him work behind the scenes
like most people haven't. You've seen him overcome you know,
these injuries. But I obviously there's gonna.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
Be questions about what he looks like moving forward, What what.

Speaker 10 (05:08):
Do you think his future will look like?

Speaker 4 (05:10):
In manafot I I won't put any kind of parameters,
expectations or limits on his his future and what he
can do, cause he's broken through and all the shielings
that and we've set forth for him. You know, with
the the recovery from the injuries that he's had, how
substantial they've been, and yet he's you know, come back
excelled the mible to play at a high level. You know,

(05:32):
it's it's tough enough being you know, on the NFL
roster and to come back being to being the guy
again and and you know, toting the rock. You know,
he's he's special and I hope he continue to be there.

Speaker 14 (05:41):
You know you're rooting for him, but help help, strange
could be to see.

Speaker 12 (05:45):
Him find success somewhere else instead of stuff here.

Speaker 6 (05:49):
I think that's strange, that wrong.

Speaker 7 (05:51):
Wrong way to put it.

Speaker 4 (05:52):
Mixed feelings maybe no, well, mixed feelings, and id I
hope oh open, what's the best for him now? That
doesn't change? Well, he's you know here or anywhere else.
Noll if we plan, I hope to punish him. But
you know, if seeing him on TV, no, just playing
on Sundays or Mondays or whenever it is, I'm gonna
be happy for him because he's able to play this game.

Speaker 6 (06:14):
And that's a privilege.

Speaker 15 (06:15):
Miles.

Speaker 11 (06:15):
He drafted Mason to give you a little help on
the front.

Speaker 16 (06:18):
Just what are your.

Speaker 17 (06:18):
Early impressions of him and what do you think he's
going to be able to.

Speaker 6 (06:23):
Do for you?

Speaker 8 (06:25):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (06:25):
I think he's hungry he's uh, he's pretty quiet, but
not okay.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
I think we lost Miles there, but that's fine. It's
good to hear from him, of course. Mandatory mini camp,
welcome in, merely bo. How about this for illuminary right
out of the gate, Duwan Jones in. Good to see you, buddy, sir.
Pleasure to be here, good to get to work. See everybody,
all the familiar faces, all my guys, Miles there, Chiefs there,
everybody's in the mix.

Speaker 16 (06:49):
Yes, sir, he's good. Everybody back in the building all events.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
You're never not in the building. I see you every day.
Come you get it out of the facility.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
What what when is there a tone different from the
top from Kevin, from everybody, because it's one thing that
we talk to the guys when they come in here,
is there seems to be kind of a that this
feels a little different than last year.

Speaker 16 (07:09):
You know, talk about you know, just being tough and competitive,
and I think it's just carried over to everybody this year.
You know, whether you're on vacation working out, you know,
but everybody's gonna be tough about it. You know, they're
gonna do their business and you know, make sure they
come back to best shape and if you hear you
know you're being tough with competitive russes your teammate.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
It's an interesting thing mandatory minicamp because you guys have
been working for a long time with OTAs and then.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
You get to this. You got this.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
It's three practices, two big ones and then a shorter
practice by the time we get to Thursday. For you guys,
it puts a ribbon on what's been happening in the
off season program for the fans and for a lot
of the media, Like so much is attention on mandatory minicamp.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
How do you.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
Balance that as a player? What is just more practices
versus what's going to be amplified by the noise outside.

Speaker 16 (07:56):
Uh, it's just laying the foundation in my opinion. You
know that's the main thing Coast fans talked about, you know,
just starting a foundation, which it is just three days.
You know, we lad a foundation, we come back and
you know we build on top of that.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
When you when you think about everything that we do
with success under coach Tafanski that we've had, it's all
started in the trenches. Has been a big part of it.
It's been the offensive line the defensive line. Big investment
on the defensive line. I'll get to that with you
in just a second. But in terms of uh, your
returning health on the offensive line, Jack getting back in
the mix. The interior speaks for itself, obviously, but get
young guys who got to come along. What have you

(08:30):
seen through the last month or so in the offensive
line room as you've looked around and is it progressing
in a way that you think it should be?

Speaker 16 (08:37):
Yes? You know a lot of guys were banged up
last year, whether it was Joe, me, myself, Whyatt Jack
and even Poe. You know that suck when your whole
five is banged up and you know we're healthy this
year and you know we're just ready to work. Honestly,
what is?

Speaker 3 (08:52):
What is? How how do you feel?

Speaker 16 (08:54):
You know, I'm sorry some days, you know I can't
off with Brook and Lag I'm not going to sit here,
you know, so he definitely get sore some days. But
you know it's about just being tons with competitive and
just fighting through it, you know, just for your brother.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
As you're as you've been through this offseason, and like
I said, I see it almost every day here as
you're going through your off season program and your rehabilitation
and all of it. What has this time been like
for you coming off of an injury and having to
deal with that and to try to get back to
feeling normal.

Speaker 16 (09:22):
The main thing is just fighting through pressure or pain
that like, you know what I mean, you're kind of
unused to. You know, most of the time it's just
really scar tissue and you got to really just break
that up. And I feel like I did a you know,
a decent job last year on my right knee, you know,
breaking up the scar tissue, but I feel like it
started to break down a little bit towards the end
of the year. But you know, I want to do
that now with my leg. You know just how severe

(09:44):
it is, and you know, I just really want to
get back to my own self.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
Your old self is pretty dang good, buddy, when you're
at your old self. In terms of this, a return
and you guys would you guys have been installing it.
It's been there, but a return to kind of what
coach Davanski's all about on the offensive line with the
run game and then building off of it with the
play action pass much more under center. Kind of a
hybrid of what we've seen over the last few years.

(10:08):
You see the two drafted running backs Jerome Ford back
as well. There feels like there's gonna be an emphasis
on we're gonna punch you in the mouth and run
it down your throat a little bit. Obviously you have
to have the big plays off of it. What have
you seen as a difference up front and what can
the fans expect by the time we get to the fall.

Speaker 16 (10:25):
Offensively, I don't know how much I could say, you know,
but you know, coach to Fancy just we've talked and
you know, just definitely obviously you said just making an
emphasis of running the ball. You know, you know, everybody
runs the ball. It's matter if you're gonna stop matter
if you're gonna stop Rner. And you know, that's my
main point, and I think that's our main point this year.
You know, make sure they stop us, and make sure
they stop us running the ball.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
Wherever we want to Jerome, you know, obviously obviously we're
we had a pretty big rooting interest in quinnch On
Jenkins and what he did at Ohio State last year.
Dylan Samson pretty good too. What do you make of
the young backs?

Speaker 16 (10:58):
I think they're all good.

Speaker 8 (11:00):
Know.

Speaker 16 (11:01):
I didn't get a way too much of Dylan on
SAT College, but you know, I watched Judge all the time,
just because he's at State Jerome. You know, I played
with him for two years and he's an exceptional. You
know Pierre as well.

Speaker 18 (11:13):
You know.

Speaker 16 (11:13):
Yeah, I think all the guys in the running back
room Mark, you know, it's just about who's the right fit,
you know who just who plays the road the best
for us?

Speaker 3 (11:21):
Yeah, it's insuing.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
You watch those that Buckeye team, and I think there's
a lesson that a lot of football teams could take
from that with with Travon and and Q and that
they kind of rode the hot hand and then neither
guy really wore out. They both stayed healthy all year
and it was quite honestly. You watched the playoff, a
lot of attentions given to Will and the big plays
with Jeremiah Smith, but a lot of it was built
off of what they did on the ground, correct.

Speaker 16 (11:43):
I watched the playoffs, like you said, all off season,
and yeah, it was one two punch and just like
how I was with Trade and Maya and he goes
the same way with Jackison. I think it's really gonna compliments.
You know, just as he came off, he had to
split reps hes probably gonna do the same thing again.
But you know, get that spurt of him going getting
us a ten r five yard game, and then you

(12:04):
got Jerome or whoever behind us to get us the
next yars.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
Obviously, most of the attention from the outside is on
the quarterbacks. We have four of them here, two of
them drafted, really accomplished college players. Jose a Super Bowl
champion then and then Kenny was a first round pick
and his twenty five starts. From your perspective, is there
any challenge at all to just hearing different voices in
the room or does it matter at all?

Speaker 13 (12:27):
Uh?

Speaker 16 (12:27):
Sometimes when you get to the line. I think that's
the main part. But I think that's the part we
talked about, and that means is being versatile, being able
to hear different cadences from different people.

Speaker 6 (12:37):
You know.

Speaker 16 (12:38):
I think that's my main point, is just being able
to adjust to whoever. You know, just like when we
go down you know, the quarterback or adjust to a
different tackle. We you know, I just want to get
a just a different quarterback.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
Yeah, that's that's gonna be fascinating to see how all
of that plays out. And I think all the pieces
on this stuff kind of matters. Talking about Dwan Jones,
of course, big theanos here in studio with us.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
Did you what are you doing that you and I
were talking off air? You get the little baseball bug
here a little bit.

Speaker 16 (13:03):
Yeah. I do a lot of stuff in my off season.
You know, I go to baseball games. You know, I
go to any car Nascar.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
Yeah, and you know I love just NASCAR. Now you
inighty five hundred, I got it. I mean that I
get that's part of.

Speaker 16 (13:16):
Yeah, I'm from Indianapolis, so you know what I mean.
But also just liking cars, and you know, I have
a fast car. I have a Dodge Durango hill Cat
and so you know, I go to the NASCAR races
and you know, they tell me to have of my
engine and all that, you know, but it's a good
time when I go there, and it's just a good hospitality.
And you know, I just like seeing the drivers go
fast and go real less.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
You know what, man too, and you I think there's
this feeling that you guys, you know that you're almost
machines and you just do the football but the reality
you have to have some release personality, yeah, man, and
you got to be able to you know, I think
you have to find ways.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
It's kind of cool being a pro athlete, man, Like
there's cool stuff that comes with it, and some of
this stuff is nice.

Speaker 16 (13:56):
Yeah. Like I went up to step North for the
race past weekend. It was a good race, and you know,
I'm talking to some guys and you know, they got
the you know, it was a big blue hats yeah,
and I'm you know, I didn't even really want to
shake his hand, you know, just because Yeah, but you know,
I just can't respectful.

Speaker 18 (14:14):
You know.

Speaker 16 (14:14):
He was like, he's like, I don't care, you know
what I mean. Like he's like, let me get a
picture with you, you know, and I just went ahead
took the picture. You know, I just I just let
I and go out and just be myself. And you know,
whether or not, if they don't like you from where
you're from, you know, they just still respect you and
what you.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
Do you sawny drop the.

Speaker 16 (14:31):
Yes, sir, I was I was so I was so
I was so turned I was so turned up. I said,
thank god.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
It helps when you win, Yes, when you win, you
can do it? How close are you watching these finals?

Speaker 16 (14:44):
Pretty close?

Speaker 18 (14:45):
Were you?

Speaker 3 (14:45):
Did you grow up Pacers fan or yeah?

Speaker 16 (14:47):
You know I was big mouths in the Powers guy.
You know that's my era. You know my favorite player
girl was Jamil Now you know Andy, I should say,
you know that was like you know that guy. And
my mom loved Reggie Miller and so you know, she
just talked about that. And you know the Market Square Arena,
the days and people they talk about that all the time,
and you know, I wish I could was there to

(15:09):
be able to experience that. You know. Now, you know,
hopefully I can be able to go on Friday and
go to the game. But you know, if not, I'm
not tripping. I'm rooting for the Patris no matter what.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
There that's I think it's the best pure basketball arena
in the NBA.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
It's just it's built straight up. Every seat is awesome.

Speaker 16 (15:23):
What they said, every other state is just a sport.
But yeah, in Indiana's basketball.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
You were a pretty dang good high school basketball player.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
What was the biggest what was the coolest basketball arena
you played in high school?

Speaker 16 (15:34):
Oh, that's so tough. Obviously, I think I had to
go to Southport. That's a no brainer. But uh, I
was just I was just did you play there? Yes?
I played Newcastle and All Star game that was probably
like I was one of the best fields ever and
I'm a big court guy. And they got park Court,
which is like Celtics and the Magic and I love that.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
Did you ever go to the Hoosiers Gym?

Speaker 16 (15:57):
I played there?

Speaker 3 (15:58):
Well, did you play there?

Speaker 16 (15:59):
I got invited of the game. So there's like Turnhome
versus Hickory, the you know movie that was a team
together and I was on Turnhome and got to play
in the game and it was an amazing experience. Little gym, But.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
Dude, you walk in there, it's like walking onto a
movie set.

Speaker 16 (16:14):
Still, Yes, it's really small in there, but it's it's
always good vibe.

Speaker 12 (16:18):
You know.

Speaker 16 (16:18):
It was real tight, and but I was gonna get
my buddies from growing up, so it made it better.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
Did you ever play a Hinkle?

Speaker 16 (16:25):
No, that's one place that you know, I wish that
I'd just say it, would you know, bring back playing
at like regionals and similar states at colleges. I feel
like it would be a real I wouldn't say exposure
because you're not supposed to you know, watching them, but
I think it would be real good for high school
players to play on college court.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
Dude, And it's a great shooting gym. Plus got you
got Fad there and a lot of buck Geys there.

Speaker 16 (16:47):
I mean, yes, Greg, I hopefully Greg can make something happen.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
Talk to you, say something to go. Well, hey man,
it is great to see you.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
It's good to be back at back at Mandatory Mini
Camp for everybody involved. And continue to see here as
you go through your ab and once this is done,
enjoy your summer and we'll get.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
Back to work in the fall.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
Thank you all right, good seeing you Budy Dwan Jones
joining us here in studio. Obviously first practice of Mandatory
Mini Campus in the books. On the other side of this,
we'll recap some of the things we saw. Those are
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Speaker 2 (17:49):
All right, welcome back in Mandatory Mini Camp, Day one.
In the books out here at the Cross Country Mortgage Campus,
Gibbe copious notes, topious notes, My friends.

Speaker 13 (18:01):
Nothing going on today, just nice and quiet.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
Well, look, look this is the fun stuff. I take
this stuff.

Speaker 19 (18:07):
We're juggling.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
This is good.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
The question I asked to one, I think is it's
kind of an important kind of to understand everything.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
OTAs go for a month.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
And then it's these last three that everyone's locked in
on and you have the full participation in all of that.
So that's when it's noteworthy of who's here and who's not.
So for example, I know we're going to talk about
t J. Watt, and know we're talking about Hendrickson and
these things around the AFC North, but here everybody's here
and you had miles back and we carried some of
that for you off the top of the show. But
this is the last of it until this sets the table,

(18:42):
builds a foundation for where you're going to jump off
from by the time you get to training camp in
the fall, which is like in six weeks.

Speaker 13 (18:48):
This determines your snap counts for training camp for the
first few weeks of training camp, or at least the
first seven or eight days, which are vitally important. Yeah,
because we know once we get to training camp, if
you're third or four string, you might get one series,
you might get two or three reps, you might not
even get a series. So and then you're playing in

(19:11):
preseason games probably, but maybe that's maybe that focal point changes.

Speaker 6 (19:17):
You know.

Speaker 13 (19:18):
This this is this is the culmination of what started
the week of the NFL Draft. This is the NFL
off season, and now we see how it all shakes out.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
So obviously, all eyes on the quarterbacks, and I'm seeing
the ESPN Cleveland quarterback tracker, and I'm seeing no attempts
from Joe Flacco.

Speaker 13 (19:43):
First note on my copious notes, Joe Flacco did not
throw a pass in organized activities, So no. Seven on seven,
no eleven on eleven. He did throw some stuff like
in the positional work and whatnot, but otherwise Joe Flacco
didn't do anything today.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
So we do.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
You know, we do sometimes we do that segment thing
or not a thing. Yeah, I would say that's not
a thing because and here's why. Although I'm sure Joe
would like more reps, they know what Joe is and
they know and if you listen that's this is the
other part that's really important. If you listen to what
we tell you on this show, that also would mean
not a thing, because we've been saying that they know

(20:28):
what Joe is Joe from our vantage point, and this
isn't scores. It's just pay attention to what we see.
I think we think Joe's the break glass if all goes.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
To hell option Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
And the other three are kind of all in a
similar place and their experiences are vastly different in terms
of Kenny starting twenty five games in the NFL and
being in his fifth year, to Dylan Gabriel who was
picked in the third round and she do Or who
was picked in the fifth. But it's really those other
three need to get. This goes back to that rep
war count that we're talking about out because they need

(21:02):
the reps. We need to see what they can be.
You know what Joe Flacco is. He did he came
off his couch and lit up the League for a
month here, so you know that he can still do that.
But you also have to be realistic to realize that
Joe can't be the long term solutionary. He's a man,
he's forty, so you need to see what one of
these other three guys are. So that am I surprised
that he got no reps? Maybe a little, but I

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don't think there's anything to read into it because I
think they know what he is.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
That's my read on it. What do you make of it?
I think so.

Speaker 13 (21:28):
I think it was a little surprising to not at
least get one series because Jerry Judy was out there.
Nadjoku was out there. You know, your wide receivers were
out there, your weapons are out there. So yeah, I
thought it was I thought it was interesting that he

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did not throw him a little curious about that. And
maybe Coach was talking as we were coming off the
field and we had to get up here to start
the show. We'll hear from Coach an hour two, and
hopefully that may be a little bit of an explanation.
Maybe someone asked about that because that was that was
the one noticeable did not see my call out there,
But I believe still rehabbing. I wouldn't expect to see

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him out there yet.

Speaker 16 (22:17):
Uh.

Speaker 13 (22:18):
A lot of running backs, wide receivers maybe moving around
a little bit and not necessarily in their quote traditional places.
Uh like a like a Samson lining up wide. I
believe the g man told me, and I'll bring g
man in over.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
So we split the the Oh what do you got keV?
Dylan Gabriel?

Speaker 16 (22:42):
Maybe? Yeah?

Speaker 13 (22:42):
Would you like Dylan Gabriel?

Speaker 3 (22:44):
Yeah, let's let's go to Dylan at the podium.

Speaker 11 (22:45):
Let me take those reps with the first team offense
against the first team. It's how valuable is that in?
Does your mindset change it all out?

Speaker 8 (22:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 20 (22:53):
I think, Uh, you know, you'd like to say that
you don't change the circumstances, and you know, I try
to approach every single day like that, and uh, control
what you can and that's just being you know, ultimately
your best in that moment, and the best competitors I've
been around have been the best of being present.

Speaker 14 (23:10):
You talk, the et re community came about, you know,
your process of of picking up a new playbook up
is es. Basically you just have to go through it.
How do you feel like you've gotten through it? So far,
it's only been a month or so. But how do
you get out that process is?

Speaker 20 (23:25):
Yeah, I'd say two words, just continuous improvement, you know,
and in this profession, you know, I had to think
there's a bunch of progression and regression, but just your
ability to to manage that as fast as possible. Uh,
I think that, you know, allows you to to create
improvement at h a faster pace. So I just a
been approaching it like that, and you know, eager to

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learn every single day. Just approach you know this like
a you know student in your college.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
Career with three different teams that you might play.

Speaker 16 (23:53):
Action from under center.

Speaker 20 (23:55):
Yeah, of course, you know, I think you know, at
one point I I was the the play action you know, king.
I guess we we did a lot of play action,
you know, early on, but uh you see f but
you know, I think you know that's just part of it.
You'd you'd love to use play action to your advantage.
But anyway, in any sense, you you gotta be president

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in that moment for that key play and and adjust,
but definitely have have done play action.

Speaker 9 (24:25):
Look across the I'm sorry, what's it like for you
to look across and see Miles Garrett over there and
and know that you've got to operate with someone like that.

Speaker 20 (24:35):
Well, yeah, I think in one play, you know, you
definitely see that, you know, and one of the team periods.
But you know, very happy he's on our team. But
also you know, just as competitor. Uh, that's what you
look forward to, you know, playing against the best and
you know him being able to to be out here today,
you know, and let's compete.

Speaker 8 (24:52):
That's that's huge. And getting everyone back together.

Speaker 10 (24:55):
Yeah, Kevin's trade was talking about it in a line
during UH seven on seven try to help the quarterbacks
feel a pocket? Have you ever done a seven on
seven like that before you came here? And then it's
so like, do you feel there's a benefit.

Speaker 20 (25:09):
Yeah, I think. You know, everyone's had their their way
of doing it. You know, I've had tennis rackets in
front of guys walking forward. I've had shoulder pad shields
nine on nine. I I've done kind of the the
mixture of it all. But you know, all to to
find a solution to you know, one problem. So I
have done it. But you know level that we're doing here.

Speaker 7 (25:30):
Different for you h in the NFL, but you have
a good time frames where it feels like you're creating
a connection with the receiver.

Speaker 17 (25:38):
In your years of college, and have you started to feel.

Speaker 20 (25:40):
That, Yeah, I think it's just reps, you know, and
you try to maximize your reps with guys, but uh,
you know, anytime you can get extra reps as well,
you know, that's huge. But trying to balance that out
with timing it is is key and something you need
to do. But uh, I think you know, just from
day one to this point, there's continuous improvement for sure.

Speaker 17 (26:00):
So when you've had a few weeks out there now
with Joe and Kenny also out there, what what have
you been how's it been like working with them?

Speaker 8 (26:07):
I guess? And how have you picked their brains?

Speaker 18 (26:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 20 (26:09):
I think just a diverse room, you know, diversity and
experience and and you know, you just appreciate those guys
because I think what we've done as a room really
well is the inability to dwell on the past. You know,
we're just extremely present and you know, I was just curious,
does anyone know how much you know, minutes like Joe
has played in the playoffs, like the guy's played six

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hundred and six nowns like this guy knows the game
and has done at a high level. So I think
there's a lot of juice in the squeeze, but you
got to ask the right questions, and uh, that's what
I try to approach every single day. But same with Kenny.

Speaker 5 (26:45):
Did you research that on your own and he came
up with that he had six hundred and six steps
or the want of the coaches or what.

Speaker 20 (26:52):
Well, I'm not going to walk into a situation not
know what I'm walking into, So you know, I like
to to know a little bit about my teammates. And
I think just in general, uh, if if you approach
the game as a student, you learn every single day
and you improve every single day.

Speaker 8 (27:06):
So that's just how I've been.

Speaker 13 (27:08):
Reality.

Speaker 20 (27:11):
You know, I think there's there's a balance to everything.
You know, you could ask me the same thing. Do
I get much out of film? Do I get much
out of walkers? I think for any player, you gotta
find what works for you. And for me, I I've
loved the balance of a lot of things. You know,
walkdors are are key for muscle memory and being able
to visualize. I think film helps you get clear pictures defensively,

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but also you know, see different looks in a certain
concept and and I think virtuality, virtual reality kind of
you know, goes in that boat as well. So I
would say, uh, I've used it before. I've used it,
you know, as as much as I can. But also
film Walkers and just talking ball. So it's it's kind
of a mix of everything.

Speaker 21 (27:55):
Rookie, Minnie camp forts and now your first day made
it for a vine camp.

Speaker 8 (27:58):
What has been the biggest challenge.

Speaker 20 (27:59):
For you at all steps just behind here, Yeah, I
think just being able to adapt as quick as possible,
you know. I think that's a challenge for anyone. There's
there's a time within that that you have to work through.
But I think just I I go back to being present,
you know, and and not being able to you know,
dwell on a a regression or get too high with

(28:20):
a progression, you know, and being just even killed throughout that.
So I've been trying to just stay balanced in that way.
But every single day there's something to get better at.
So just approaching it that way for sure.

Speaker 22 (28:34):
You talking about there's always something to get better at.

Speaker 17 (28:36):
When you're uh going through the the seven on seven
and ale on seven.

Speaker 12 (28:41):
Uh, I at this stage, how do you measure success y.

Speaker 8 (28:46):
You love to stay process driven, you know.

Speaker 20 (28:48):
I think for a lot of people, you know, it's
it's a results based business, so let's not get that wrong.
But you have to have a process behind it to
be able to create consistent results. And uh, you know,
I think whether it's a a microwave mentality or you know,
that Amazon lifestyle of wanting it right away, sometimes it's

(29:09):
just not the case. So being able to have a process,
stick to it, continue to listen to your coaches, you know,
and try to get better that way, That's what I'll
I want to do on a build a solid foundation
so that you know you're you're banking on the process
and then allowing that to have you know, consistent results.

Speaker 17 (29:27):
Tell any version of the importance of asking good questions
to be able to fully get the most down of
Kenny and Joe's experience.

Speaker 6 (29:33):
What are some of the questions you've asked and what
are their answers to those situations?

Speaker 20 (29:36):
Yeah, I think for the most part, it's it's more
so their experiences, whether it's a certain concept or you know,
what they've done in the past, just day to day
and in a daily routine. But it's also just you know,
and just being the guys, because I think that's when
you're able to just connect the most auth you know,
in a authentic way. And for me, I just asked myself like,

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have I been my most authentic self today? And and
that's through just asking real questions that they got real
answers to.

Speaker 17 (30:05):
Can you give us an example of just one of
those conversations we could need to picture?

Speaker 20 (30:09):
Yeah, I would just say, you know, when we talked
through a certain concept. Couldn't give you the name, but
you know, if you think conceptually about a play it
it could truly the intent to play could change just
based on how you think of it. And uh, we
we had to play this this you know, off season
of you know, maybe if it's manner zone, you play

(30:30):
it this way, you see it this way, but a footwork,
you know, uh, your eyes starting somewhere could change the
whole play. So appreciate you know, Joe and Kenny for
their perspective on that.

Speaker 9 (30:39):
It looks like they are heating a lot on your plate,
not only to get you ready to play, but also
to kind of figure out what works or what might
not work as they're putting this whole new scheme together.

Speaker 8 (30:51):
Yep.

Speaker 9 (30:51):
So I'm just wondering, Uh, you know, how do you
find that to be where you are kind of have
to be having to take uh some of the heat
or the brunt of figuring out this offense at while
you're at learning it.

Speaker 20 (31:04):
Yeah, I that's the challenge, right, But as a competitor,
you walk into that challenge and uh face it head on.
Uh that's what you appreciate about the game too. And
you know, I think everyone in this game sees themselves
as starters and that belief of self is why a
lot of guys are in the NFL. So you just
continue to improve, continue to challenge yourself and not a

(31:27):
lot of people love it, but failure creates growth. Yet
we live in a you know, production based business, so
it it's hard for people to.

Speaker 8 (31:37):
To understand that balance. Do you like Jones? See that again?

Speaker 16 (31:41):
Have you ever had a teammate as as a Warren Drone?

Speaker 20 (31:44):
I have Paul rublt six eleven tackle so uh yeah,
I've I've seen I've luckily been able to play the
three first round tackles, seen six eleven Germany tackles. So uh,
you know, Dulan's just adding to the the repertoire of
of diversity, So I'm appreciative of that.

Speaker 18 (32:02):
The sixth eleven guy, what he wait.

Speaker 20 (32:05):
Gosh, I couldn't tell you. I wasn't with him when
he hop on the scale. But I hope a good way,
you know how, trying.

Speaker 11 (32:14):
To stay process driven with thinking about winning the story job,
you know, maybe evaluating yourself versus the.

Speaker 6 (32:20):
Other three guys.

Speaker 20 (32:21):
Yeah, I think for many people that's tough, you know.
And and I'll go back to like, failure creates growth,
but we are in a production based business, so it's
hard for people to balance that. And for me, you know,
I just continue to stick to the process, you know,
and and try to create completions, try to be understanding
of the situation. But also, you know, I have belief

(32:42):
in myself, you know, and and everyone at this level
does as well.

Speaker 8 (32:46):
That's why they're here.

Speaker 20 (32:47):
But for the most part, you know, how can you
create value right away today and be the best? And
I keep going back to it, but the best competitors
are the best staying present. So my ability to be
right where my feet are, be with you, and you know,
be as honest as I can.

Speaker 8 (33:03):
That's all I can do.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
That ball to the.

Speaker 8 (33:07):
Field felt good.

Speaker 20 (33:08):
You know, I think Jamari is just you know, a
talented and individual, but just how smart he is and
understanding maybe a man beating play, but uh, to be
able to create leverage and win in zone coverage. It
allows it, you know, to be a lot easier on
my end and then him making a you know, outstanding catch.

(33:30):
So he's he's great in the time I've been around him,
and look forward to continuing that.

Speaker 10 (33:36):
Kenny and Joe, how bald is is DeShawn behind the
scenes and what have you picked up from him?

Speaker 8 (33:40):
Great question?

Speaker 20 (33:41):
You know, he's been a guy I've connected with as well,
you know, and he's actually a guy I sit by
and you know, our online meetings, even in our you know,
offensive unit meetings. So just being able to be around
him and you know, nudge him and ask a question, uh,
you know, whether for confirmation or his thought. But also
when we're talking through concepts, I think it's super cool

(34:02):
that we do have five guys in the room that
kind of can speak to their own experience and even
Deshaun this morning, you know, talking through a concept and
kind of how he sees it in the red area,
and you know, I even go back. That's it can
change the play, you know, in a big way, just
how you think of it. So you know, appreciate him
a bunch too, just sharing all his knowledge.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
And what is you mentioned the phrase Amazon lifestyle like?

Speaker 20 (34:26):
Yeah, Amazon lifestyle is like and I don't mean Amazon
in the jungle, I mean Amazon like Amazon Prime. You know,
you get on your phone and you order it, it's
there to you right away. Well, and I'm not saying
we should wait seven days, right, but I'm just saying
sometimes there's there's some work, you know, within that or
a microwave just seating your food up in thirty seconds

(34:47):
rather than cutting it up, seeing the process of it.
You know, I think throughout that journey, it's it's a
lot more word one. You learn more through that when you're.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
It's the last one.

Speaker 11 (34:57):
When reps and you're watching, what are you you looking
for the most of what are you focusing?

Speaker 18 (35:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 20 (35:03):
I think you want to take as much mental reps
as you can, and you want to work through the
footwork and try to.

Speaker 8 (35:07):
Play through the progression yourself.

Speaker 20 (35:09):
But within that too, within a practice, you know, whether
it's conversations with you know, coach Musgrave or you know,
any quarterback back there and see it.

Speaker 8 (35:17):
Hey, how'd you see this?

Speaker 20 (35:18):
I think there's a there's a balance of you know, discussion,
but also a mental rep so I try to manage
it that way.

Speaker 18 (35:26):
Appreciate it.

Speaker 8 (35:26):
Thank you guys, Thank you all right.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Dylan Gabriel at the podium. From the podium is presented
by Vivid Seats per Sure Official Fan Experience Package Day
for the Ultimate Game Day. I'm gonna give you two
quotes that jumped out to me. One I'm pretty close on.
I wrote it down as he said it. Another one
I got absolutely I'm not going to walk into any
situation unprepared. This is why he was drafted in the
third round. This is why, universally, when you asked NFL

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teams who was the most impressive quarterback in the pre
draft process, the answer, almost unilaterally universally was Dylan Gabriel.
He's a pro football player. He's completely prepared for every situation.
He's had to learn three different systems in his college career.
He hopped on with us at the golf outing, and
he sounded like a five year vet. If you listen

(36:12):
to that availability, that sounds like a five year vet.
That sounds like someone who's been around the block who
knows how to go about his business. The other thing
that struck me was Amazon Lifestyle. I've never heard it
that way. I often say with my kids, like it's
they live in an on demand world. And that's basically
the same thing that instant gratification. Give me this right now.
And I think that's a really important lesson for the

(36:33):
fan base in regard to both of these young quarterbacks
that when Mary Kay was on with us yesterday and
she talked about they're being asked to do different things
at different times, and also this idea of this all
is going to take a little bit of time.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
It's important to remember.

Speaker 6 (36:47):
All of that.

Speaker 13 (36:47):
Yeah, I mean it's a work in progress. I can
tell you the one to eleven on eleven session with
the majority of the ones from a skill standpoint, it
was Kenny Pickett, Dylan, Gabriel Chador was on the other field.
When you got at the next eleven on eleven session,

(37:09):
it was Gabriel one, Shador two, okay, and then seven
on seven's to wrap things up, it was Picket Gabriel
Shador and Gabriel had himself some nice throws. Shador had
some nice throws. Yeah, both guys would have throws that
I think they'd like to have back. You know, it's

(37:32):
but it is a process. But like you said, with
Dylan Gabriel, like he's been in enough programs where he's
learned from another program to help him elevate his game
at the next level, which is the next step up.
And that's not just kind of from Shadoor. We're gonna
hear from Shador coming up and impressive as well.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
He had I'm starting to draw it on my way in.
He said he probably had the throw of the day.
He did, Yeah, probably didn't throw the day, but it
wasn't Gerard was saying it was not with the ones.

Speaker 6 (38:04):
It was.

Speaker 13 (38:05):
It was that was on the other field and g
Man was covering that and I will have him step
over here in a few minutes and hecamp his copious notes.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
But yeah, I mean.

Speaker 13 (38:16):
Both guys had so that play that Shador had that
was the play of the day, Gabriel had to play
on that field. To Judy, Yeah, so I mean it
was like it was bang bang it happened.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
So well, we're gonna go through both of you guys's
copious notes. We'll get you update on everything that's going
around in the National Football League as well. I think
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your Cleveland Browns. We continue with the kopious notes. Quarterback
is what it's all going to be about. So we
had you guys give a talk to me a little
bit about there about the one reps going with with
Kenny and then Dylan Flacco not getting a rep in

(39:34):
the seven on seven or eleven on eleven and then
the g man returns, Hello, and you were good to
see you, brother, and you were keeping an eye on
that on that second field over there.

Speaker 6 (39:43):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (39:44):
So I wanted to highlight a couple guys on defense first, Okay,
I thought Mason Graham looked really good in defensive tackle drills.

Speaker 15 (39:52):
He's explosive.

Speaker 23 (39:53):
I thought him and Malik Collins stood out. Yep, both
of those guys. And then in coverage it was Demante
Casey safety they just signed from the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Speaker 15 (40:02):
He looked good in coverage.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
Especially loved him, really excited about that last week and
he was on with us.

Speaker 23 (40:07):
Okay, uh, Shador did have the throw of the day.
It was the first throw in seven on seven reps.
It was a deep ball. I mean it was placed
right in the bucket in stride. Deep ball is not
a problem for the guy. I think that's that's a
narrative that's been created.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
It just doesn't exists, no, no, we you know, and
Zee was talking about that last week when we were
talking about how Shador can layer throws and he can
he can put it over the linebackers and drop it
into a bucket in those holes in the zone. His
his ability to read what the defense is giving him

(40:44):
and get it to the right places is very real
and very natural.

Speaker 23 (40:49):
That deep ball from Shador went to Gage Larvadane. He's
a five eight receiver from South Carolina. Okay, God bless,
good throw, good catch.

Speaker 15 (40:59):
He beat thet the dB pretty clean.

Speaker 18 (41:01):
Liked it.

Speaker 15 (41:03):
I thought Dylan Gabriel had had some good throws as well.

Speaker 23 (41:05):
I mean, obviously, like Kibe said, both of these guys
are gonna have throws that they're gonna want back. But
I think Dylan Gabriel's arm strength is really what stands
out to me. You can put some zip on the ball,
you know, and he can fit it into a tight window.
He's an accurate, an accurate passer.

Speaker 15 (41:20):
I think ten to twenty yards of the sticks, he's
pretty accurate.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
Oh yeah, I mean yeah, I mean he that's what
he did in college. It comes out quick, it comes
out on time. There is some zip to it, I
mean honestly, Like he's a lefty, so it's it looks
a little different, but like there's a lot of Baker
in him. I agree with that. Yeah, they play very similarly,

(41:46):
very live. Arm really can whip it.

Speaker 15 (41:48):
They kind of have the same build too.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
They do bakes a little taller, not much, but a
little yeah, but very similar. Yeah, there's a lot of
similarities between the two of them.

Speaker 16 (41:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (41:58):
Uh Flacco, all we saw was, I mean, just drills,
individual drills. I think he still got it in his
arm though, that's for sure. He did throw a couple
of deep balls. Still got it man, Still a pretty spiral.

Speaker 18 (42:11):
Uh.

Speaker 23 (42:13):
Jerry Judy, I think a couple of weeks ago is
like I understand what Amari Cooper was talking about when
he's like catching these passes from this dude is like magic.
So yeah, he looked good as well. Kenny Pickett, I
thought through well with anticipation. Actually, I still think he's
he's an accurate quarterback, especially outside the numbers, the routes,
corner routes, out routes. He puts it right on the money,

(42:35):
right on the sideline there. So that's what I saw
from the quarterbacks. Yeah, yeah, No, it's a good one.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
It's good job to you, and and that's what this
is all going to be about. It's going to be
about that and all of the pieces to that make
a They're going to make up what we see by
the time we get to the end of summer.

Speaker 13 (42:52):
Yeah, a couple other notes. A lot of special teams
work today, Okay, a lot. I want to say, three
sessions worth of special teams. Clearly a focal point today
and this week. Deuce doing a lot of assisting on
special teams with the with the catchers, with the receivers

(43:16):
or running backs, whoever's was returning punts and returning kicks.
He was the one getting him in alignment and setting
them up, which I thought was interesting. And then from
a from a receiver standpoint, I know g Man mentioned
Judy with a couple of nice plays. Jamari Thrash has

(43:37):
gotten bigger noticeably, Hunt He's put on some weight. He
had a beautiful touchdown earlier. I want to say, yeah,
touchdown in seven on seven's from Gabriel over in our corner.
Had a couple of real nice catches. You always worry,
I think, if you're going to put on weight, if

(43:57):
it's going to affect the speed. But so so far,
I mean looks the part. I mean, all these guys
are competing for that wide receiver number three?

Speaker 2 (44:06):
Well, so said was out today, right, did I see
that he didn't participate? But we did see Deontay Johnson.
Was he involved in the mandatory stuff?

Speaker 13 (44:14):
He was he he dropped the pass over the middle,
probably should have been picked off. I think Swessinger, I
think was right there on that play. So that was
the only time we saw really de'anta get involved in
a whole lot.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
Yeah, any I didn't, I haven't seen anything. I've been
trying to keep an eye on anything. I haven't heard
anything from coach on on Cedric in terms of why.

Speaker 13 (44:39):
Well he didn't participate last week in ot as either
or the one ota that we were out there for.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
Yeah, so little a little nicked up.

Speaker 18 (44:48):
Huh.

Speaker 13 (44:48):
Yeah, I mean Nadjoku had had a couple of plays
that he was involved in. There were there were a
number of guys that I'm like, okay, wait, who's that
on the roster? Yeah, you know some other wide receivers,
running backs, uh, other guys in the mix as well. Yeah,

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I mean that's trying to see what you have, especially
from a depth standpoint. I mean, Judkins looked pretty good. Samson,
as I mentioned, lined up at wide receiver.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
Well, I think I think you'll see them try to
You're gonna want to put your best weapons on the field,
and it's very likely that Judkins and and and and
and that those guys are both, that Samson and Judkins
are both on the field. I think there will be
some packages where they're both in there.

Speaker 13 (45:34):
Yeah, I mean overall, I mean it was good. It
was fast paced, a lot of work. Whether it was
eleven on elevens or seven on sevens. I didn't know
if you could get like one on one defensive line
versus offensive line. I don't think you can, because there's
just they're not in pads. But I mean those guys
were active, like in eleven on eleven's. They all had

(45:56):
roles in places they had to be. And you know,
her heard our new offensive line coach, Bloom Crane really getting.

Speaker 8 (46:02):
Into some guys.

Speaker 13 (46:03):
So I think the tackle we just signed was playing
some meaningful snaps.

Speaker 6 (46:08):
G man.

Speaker 23 (46:11):
Yeah, Jackson Barton is getting regular, regular second team reps
at right tackle. The offensive line rotation was as follows
from what I can saw what I saw. Dewan's getting
the first team reps at left tackle, and then obviously
you've got Joel Posik, Wyatt Teller, Jack Conklin, and then

(46:31):
Cornelius Lucas is on the left side of that second
offensive line group, Tevin Jenkins left guard.

Speaker 15 (46:37):
They just signed from well not just signed, but they
signed from Chicago.

Speaker 23 (46:40):
Ye, Luke Whipler, it's good to see him back out there.
Zach Zinter and then yeah, Jackson Barton from.

Speaker 3 (46:46):
Zach's at right guard, Whipler's at center.

Speaker 15 (46:49):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
Okay, all right, well we need those guys to come
along a little bit. Good job, but you guys on
the copious notes, a couple of notes from around the league.
As you know, this is the mandatory portion, so when
you see people not showing up for this, you start
to take notice of it. And probably the headline of
the day is that TJ. Watt, who is seeking a
new deal, is not at Sealer's mandatory mini camp. No
progress on a long term deal there. Yeah, so that

(47:14):
one is a I don't there were whispers about a
month ago, in fact, there were even some whispers about
that maybe they would they would trade him, but that
he wants a new deal and there's no progress on
a new one there.

Speaker 13 (47:26):
So that lends credence because didn't he have some kind
of emoji back and they were everybody's like, oh, it's
just because he was leaving to go back to his
Wisconsin home. Maybe there was a little more to that.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
No, he wants a new deal.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
Trey Hendrickson wants a new deal as well, so he's
not at Cincinnati mandatory MIDI camp. What I think it's
a bigger headline down there is that Shamar Stewart is
not at mandatory mini camp, so he is their free
agent pick number seventeen. Overall, there is no scenario how
that There's no scenario where it's right for that deal
not to be done. And what what I understand is
the Bengals are trying to do something different with their
bonus structure. Of course they are, because of course they are. Yeah,

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And so in the meantime, those.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
Guys came for lunch today and they need him in camp.
But again, this is good news for us.

Speaker 13 (48:08):
But like so, uh, mister Siciliano just showed me a tweet.
Joe Burrow says, it is a distraction. My correct is
a distraction that Trey isn't here. But he understands Trey's situation,
wants him back sooner.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
Other than that, yeah, because he's being asked about it,
so by definition it is Otherwise he wouldn't be right
to me, the biggest one of these that and I
think the most surprising one, even more than t J.
Watt is McLaurin not at camp in Washington. I don't
understand they need him desperately based on what they are
new ownership, trying to get the stadium thing taken care of,

(48:45):
a lot of momentum coming off of last season, the
NFC Championship game, Like, get that deal done.

Speaker 13 (48:50):
There was some grumblings last week, was that right? Yeah,
like you knew this was coming, you do.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
But at the same time, like, come on, get get
that deal done and get that taken care of.

Speaker 18 (49:03):
YEP.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
A couple other ones, John new Smith and Jalen Ramsey
will not buy at Miami's mini camp this week. Smith
seeking a new contract. Jalen Ramsey wants ah rade.

Speaker 13 (49:12):
Yeah, they're trying to work out trade deals for him,
and I would assume maybe for the tight end as well.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
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And now we head back to the podium. Brookie Quarterbacks,
you were Sanders, you go.

Speaker 18 (50:13):
This gatorade, said O getoray? What's going on?

Speaker 3 (50:18):
You felt that you played so far?

Speaker 16 (50:27):
Let's go.

Speaker 18 (50:31):
Okay? How I feel like I play?

Speaker 21 (50:37):
I know every day's room for improvement and in a
lot of different areas in my game, so I never
feel I'll say full, I'll say I'm always hungry.

Speaker 6 (50:47):
Uh.

Speaker 21 (50:48):
And it's a lot of aspects in football that you
could you could get better at its weight room, it's
knowing to play as it's physically it's thorn different. You
can always get precise on more things. So I feel
uh like I put in my day's work but I
know I'm far from where I wanna be.

Speaker 11 (51:04):
Tell me you talk about when you first walked in
the door right before Brookie Minty camp there.

Speaker 16 (51:10):
To where you are now.

Speaker 19 (51:12):
Where do you think you have grown the most?

Speaker 21 (51:16):
I say, spiritually? Uh, That's why I say I've grown
the most. Uh after draft, you know, getting getting closer
to God and definitely talking to him consistently, having a
real relationship, uh with him.

Speaker 18 (51:29):
That's why I say I grow the most at.

Speaker 14 (51:32):
Just the conversations with Joe, with Kenny even just how
valuable are those were you and how much do you
just you were able to just learn from from just
you know, talking through things, whether it's a yay or
or I I any any part of it.

Speaker 18 (51:46):
You know, this job, Uh, it's real.

Speaker 21 (51:48):
It's real fun having those guys in the room though,
cause we all or quarterbacks, we all feel, you know,
similar ways, but nobody you know, always talks about it.
So Joe's the old guy in the room. So I
joke with Joe all the time. Uh, every day I
see him and Kenny, he had his experiences throughout his

(52:08):
career overall, so then we just share a lot of
the same things. And Dylan of course we're the same
age group. You know, those guys are older, so so Ma,
and then we the same age group. So we just
talk about experiences, you know, just in college and everything.

Speaker 8 (52:24):
So far, Joe, what kind of jokes do you crack
with jokes?

Speaker 14 (52:27):
He was like, you gotta smell a couple of times
out there during practice.

Speaker 21 (52:29):
Yeah, I mean I can't. I can't tell them all
my jokes. Now, I can't tell you all my jokes.
But like whenever, whenever you see him, where they miked
up or anything like that, all that stuff is real.

Speaker 18 (52:40):
That's real questions.

Speaker 21 (52:41):
But I don't know because it being spur in a moment,
you know, and then like after that, then okay, it's
time to lock back in. Like our minds always consistently
and constantly moving. So I honestly don't even remember what
we talked about on the field, honestly.

Speaker 18 (52:55):
And on that note of walking in it seems like
great at y'all were going over to the sideline for.

Speaker 19 (52:58):
Film review, Joe was get you some pretty detailed advice
on something.

Speaker 18 (53:01):
What was he walking in through?

Speaker 21 (53:02):
Do you remember, uh, just how to get through the
reads uh quicker in those type of things. And I
asked him, well, hey, alright, let me know what what
you think, like what I need to do. So it's
like he's seen it. He he played it, and like
that's he he's a pro, you know. So it's like
I I'll be dumb, I'll be a fool, and I
get insight for somebody that had success over all the

(53:24):
years that he had coached things.

Speaker 13 (53:26):
He said that not many college quarterbacks run play action
from under center anymore.

Speaker 16 (53:31):
M has that been what kind of challenge hits that day?

Speaker 21 (53:35):
Because it's well, it was good that I I grown up.
I've grown up, uh l Little League and all that
stuff under center?

Speaker 18 (53:43):
So it it bring me back to Lilyague days.

Speaker 21 (53:46):
So I got a good foundation and now I definitely
I definitely am gonna improve on that. But I have
a good solid foundation and uh just prep for Pro
Day and all that different type of stuff really makes
me more comfortable with everything. Everything in life and any
aspect is gonna be a challenge. So it's just are
you gonna be the one over come to towns? Are

(54:07):
you gonna let the challenge get you? So that's how
I attack it. And I just want to always look,
uh the most professionals possible.

Speaker 12 (54:15):
This is one of, if not the first time that
you up in the back of the line for for reps.

Speaker 3 (54:20):
How are you managing that that part.

Speaker 8 (54:21):
Of the challenge.

Speaker 21 (54:22):
I'm managing it real will. Yeah, overall, it's it's a mentality.

Speaker 18 (54:27):
It's mental.

Speaker 21 (54:28):
It's a lot of uh people in certain situations in
their own life. You know that's that may not be
at the forefront, that may be had that at one
point in time, but you gotta know it's gonna be
bright days eventually whenever the time comes. So you just
always got to be prepared and you gotta mentally.

Speaker 18 (54:43):
Take it as just the experience.

Speaker 21 (54:47):
You know, for anything in life, you gotta go through
different things so you can understand the message that you know,
Gods trying to give you. So that's why everything I'm
way more grateful for just come out here to be
able to throw the ball around and just be able
to get on the field. Like everything off the field,
it is what it is. But everybody know when when

(55:08):
it's time to get on the grass, then you know,
you know who I am.

Speaker 7 (55:13):
For this first off season work on program in your
first training camp is always obviously a lot of talk
about like what can you be the starter as an
open round pick, Like what you make the team? Like
what is your goal when we get to you know,
September and the games.

Speaker 21 (55:27):
My goal is to be the best teammate and to
be as possh as I can be. So in every
aspect I view things as I got time. I got
time to be able to grow and mature, you know,
and be able to understand the ins and out to
the defenses and be able to get the good insight
from the vets in the room. So I look at
it as you know, a plus like I got I

(55:48):
got time to actually be able to really have a
great understanding and whenever, you know, it's time for me
to play. It in this top for me to play.
But I'm not looking too far in the future about
all that. I'm looking about every day in practic this
because I had some missus out there today that you know,
we gotta go in there and correct about reasoning in
and out drops a little bit faster from under center.
So that's the main thing. I'm focused on the small

(56:10):
things and over time the big things will happen.

Speaker 5 (56:14):
Your spiritual growth. When you first of start, what what
made that happen.

Speaker 18 (56:18):
Now, Well, I wouldn't say now, it's I always know
when when God's talking to me.

Speaker 21 (56:25):
Like last night, if any of y'all see I tweeted,
I tweeted something because you know, when you sleep your
most vulnerable. So then that's when I got like real bad.
You know, I got, I got, I got. God talked
to me in that time. So and I'm able to
recognize that because before protal is the same thing. So

(56:46):
that's how I know I'm on track, you know, That's
how I know I'm living in my purpose and I
understand everything happened for a reason. So I just got
a message like that night, and I just sleep with
my flask light on last night. That's lever my flash
that later on the last night, But I was too scared.

Speaker 18 (57:05):
Go back to the.

Speaker 17 (57:05):
Reps and maximizing the reps you're doing, and you talked
about a lot of the work you do inside the
building too, Just how do you how do you think
you're handling that and maximizing the chances are getting out
here by also doing work inside and after practice.

Speaker 8 (57:18):
And things like that.

Speaker 21 (57:19):
Oh well, that's no different than what that's that's normal.
That what we grew up doing and what we've been
doing at Colorado and Jackson. So I just feel like
I'm backing my element. You know, it's grass, it's fresh grass,
You hear the birds outside. You understand what piece is
at this point in life, So you know, I'm back
in my element. I'm excited to be here.

Speaker 8 (57:37):
A couple more comfortable. Now do you like?

Speaker 21 (57:40):
Do you do you feel look more comfortable? I look
more comfortable. Huh so, yeah, of course I I feel
more comfortable here. I would say, it's just it's just
a mindset, this adjustment. You gotta go and understand the
situation that you're in and be able to approach that
and get the best out of it. So life is

(58:01):
just based on how you view different things. So you
could view things as you're not getting reps in a
negative way, or you could view it as Okay, when
it's my time to get out there, let's be proactive
and let's get.

Speaker 18 (58:12):
Warm, let's get it going.

Speaker 21 (58:13):
So there's no excuses because when you get out there,
nobody cares how many reps you got. Whenever you get
in the game, nobody cares if you took a snap before,
you know, like they care about everybody cares about production,
So that's the main thing when you get out there.

Speaker 18 (58:27):
You gotta be able to produce.

Speaker 10 (58:30):
Talking to Joe Flacco about going through the reads quickly
and like, how important do you think that?

Speaker 21 (58:34):
Well, I talked to Shallow too. Shallow always be slo
always be telling me about that.

Speaker 3 (58:39):
So how important do you think that? And just playing
on time getting rid of it quickly?

Speaker 10 (58:43):
Like how important is that aspect of your game to
transition into the NFL.

Speaker 18 (58:48):
Oh, well, I think it's extremely important.

Speaker 21 (58:50):
I took a lot of saxon college, so I know
how that feels on your body, I'll say. So it's
definitely going going through the progressions and getting comfortable and
knowing knowing the ins and ounce of everything, so you're
going to feel you are.

Speaker 18 (59:05):
I already have a different.

Speaker 21 (59:06):
Type of confidence by myself regardless, but now when you
go out there you know the ins and outs and everything,
then it's a whole different type of confidence you know
you go out there with. So I'm definitely getting to
that point, I would say. And by the time I'll
say training camp comes, then you know I'll be there.

Speaker 8 (59:24):
And ky you work with.

Speaker 9 (59:26):
Anybody in the break between now and training camp in
particular anybody different that you have worked out with before,
whether it be a quarterback trainer in or you have
done that, But will you also maybe get together with
any of these quarterbacks.

Speaker 8 (59:39):
Or any of these receivers.

Speaker 18 (59:41):
But yeah, I right now, I gotta focus on this walkthrough.
That's about it be later.

Speaker 21 (59:45):
On and I gotta practice tomorrow, So I can't mentally.
I got focus on one thing at time. I can't
think about what I'm gonna do for the break where
I'm gonna be at, you know, So I gotta be
with my feet where my feet is. So I'm here
right now, and I just gotta focus on coming out
tomorrow having a strong day and uh and walkthroughs understanding
the ins and out series?

Speaker 8 (01:00:04):
Did Joey you mentioned God talking to you. What does
that look like or feel like to you? Or where
were you? Like? Take me take us through.

Speaker 18 (01:00:09):
What that was like when last night you said I
was in my hotel room. Yeah, I was in my
hotel room.

Speaker 21 (01:00:16):
I just I was just talking a couple of passes yesterday,
you know, just about my purpose, just about everything here and.

Speaker 18 (01:00:24):
It it's a lot of going on.

Speaker 21 (01:00:25):
It's a lot going on, I'll say in my mind
An and I understand, you know what pieces, So that's
why I break. I know I'm going home one time.
I know I'm going home, so I can just little
things in life like just feeling the wind, hearing the birds,
all that different type of stuff. It's something that you value.
Now it's some of my value. So that was the
main thing, hearing, hearing what he was saying and understanding

(01:00:50):
the message of what it is like he was telling
me yesterday.

Speaker 8 (01:00:54):
Right, you going here, Scott and then Tony.

Speaker 11 (01:00:55):
When you talk about those reps that you do get,
how do you think you've done taking advantage of it?
When we're out here, it seems like you've had some
success go on the wall. You feel like you're taking
advantage of those opportunities.

Speaker 6 (01:01:07):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 18 (01:01:07):
But every time I ball hit the ground, I feel
a little bit of unsuccess. So so they don't.

Speaker 21 (01:01:13):
I don't really feel I don't really feel great whenever
I know it's a completion on the field, and I
don't and I don't get to it. So that's what
I'm hard on myself about and that's what I wanna
make it. I always improve every day, and you know
football is always gonna be good and bad. So you
just clean up the bad stuff one one day at
a time, and after price, I work on throws you
know that I missed or things like that, and mentally

(01:01:35):
later on go through the film and everything, so then
you could come out tomorrow and be prepared and learn
from that one mistake.

Speaker 16 (01:01:43):
Have you done any virtual reality here?

Speaker 6 (01:01:45):
Yeah? Yeah, what's that one?

Speaker 8 (01:01:49):
It's cool?

Speaker 16 (01:01:50):
You take your benefits from it?

Speaker 18 (01:01:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:01:54):
I I can't say yes or no because I gotta
spend more time on task with it. You know, everybody
learns different. I'm more like a active learner, So I
like I like seeing. I like being able to pictures,
being able to walk through like real life type stuff.

Speaker 8 (01:02:08):
So I like it. I like it.

Speaker 18 (01:02:11):
Sure, I saw.

Speaker 9 (01:02:12):
I heard your dad mentioned on a recent podcast that
you know he's still kind of going through with his
health challenge or anything.

Speaker 18 (01:02:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 21 (01:02:20):
I don't know what's going on. So I'm here not
to talk about pops in them. I'm here for the
quarterback of the Cleveland Browns.

Speaker 23 (01:02:28):
Yeah, I ed.

Speaker 18 (01:02:29):
You know.

Speaker 24 (01:02:29):
My question was, so, if you don't mind answering this,
do you kind of have to just like you said,
be where your feed are and that I'm sure that's
something that would be worried to you if you let
yourself kind of think about it here.

Speaker 18 (01:02:42):
Sorry, is that something that you're trying to just I'm focused.

Speaker 21 (01:02:44):
I'm focused on learning this playbook and everything I gotta
do to be the most successful quarterback I could be,
and be a best teammate I could be. Outside of that,
I don't really have no thoughts or you know, really
opinions on anything outside this game.

Speaker 8 (01:02:58):
Over appreciate it.

Speaker 18 (01:02:59):
Thanks, were appreciate, y'all.

Speaker 13 (01:03:01):
Thank you?

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Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
Merely bo the Great Andrew Siciliano here, Hey, baby, are
we on is he on?

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
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Speaker 22 (01:03:54):
Hey, he's there, he's there, Gibby, we're good, give me
good good.

Speaker 3 (01:03:59):
He's trying to suck with.

Speaker 19 (01:04:02):
You said, hey, baby, it's like, uh, Nathan's baby is
probably taller than me by now.

Speaker 3 (01:04:08):
He looks great, Doesney young? Luca looks great name, great.

Speaker 19 (01:04:12):
Name, Luca Dragomir So like that's a tennis player right there.

Speaker 18 (01:04:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:04:17):
I think if it's up to ze, you'll be a golfer.
But I think those things will work.

Speaker 19 (01:04:21):
But like Luca Dragomere on court, Phillips Chartrier or whatever,
roll like gar You could.

Speaker 3 (01:04:26):
Hear that, yeah you could. What do you How you doing, man,
it's good to see you back in private plane all
worked out?

Speaker 22 (01:04:33):
There was no private plane. Come on, happy to fly
United as.

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
Always to Chicago. No direct, oh the direct?

Speaker 19 (01:04:40):
Yeah, buddy, that's right.

Speaker 3 (01:04:42):
I did that for spring break. We did it out
that way.

Speaker 22 (01:04:44):
Fantastic.

Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
So nice to be able to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
Okay, you've been through a lot of these Yeah, what
what importance do you put on these three practices different
from the last month.

Speaker 19 (01:04:56):
I think it is important, maybe more so this year
than in years past. Look, mandatory media camp, as we
all know, is like your last it's your last work
before school is out for summer. It's also this day
and age kind of your your real work, your own
not your only real work, but your real work with
your full team, and a chance to make a last

(01:05:18):
impression before you break for the summer. And like, you
don't see many four person quarterback derbies, so it is legit.
But it's also football in shorts. And as a coach
went like, there's there's only so much that really matters
when it's football in shorts.

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
Yeah, yeah, there is.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
It's interesting because usually now I mean use the school analogy,
and usually the end of school is kind of a
Now it's turned into like just nonsense. Really, the last
week's kind of just nonsense. It's kind of like having
like the the off season final. It is is what yes,
and so here we go, here's the whole.

Speaker 3 (01:05:55):
Team, everybody's here.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
It's a time when a message can be sent like
and you and I will talk about some of these
whole outs that are going on around whether it's t J.
Watt or Trey Hendrickson or Terry McLaurin or whoever those
two happen to be in our division, So it matters
that everybody's here. And I think in this quarterback competition
all the pieces matter too. I think it's the wire.
I think everything does matter. I don't think it matters

(01:06:16):
that Joe didn't get a snap today.

Speaker 22 (01:06:19):
That's just the way that I would like to do it.

Speaker 19 (01:06:21):
Yeah, you know what Joe can do if the other
guys do their thing, And I think Joe's probably cool
with that as well. I'd have to assume.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
I do think that they're almost the reality of what
this quarterback competition is going to be. And then kind
of the way that it's playing out for some of
the fans in terms of how they think it's going
to go.

Speaker 3 (01:06:38):
And we've given them the real truth.

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
But I think kind of what you saw today is
a pretty good example of the way that the coaches
view this thing.

Speaker 22 (01:06:45):
Yes, you need the young guys to get the work.
You need, can't pick it to get the work.

Speaker 19 (01:06:49):
And to your point in you and I were talking
off the air, I need to pump the brakes for
everybody and ask for patients and caution and wait until September.
I talked about this with Jack Conklin Little it'll be
the best part available coming up. I think maybe tonight.
It's June.

Speaker 22 (01:07:07):
No one makes a quarterback decision in June, and.

Speaker 19 (01:07:12):
No rookie I mean save for like a number one
overall pick, has ever won a quarterback competition in June.
When there are veterans in the room, I don't care
where you're picked. Jaden Daniels was named the starter last year.
Caleb Williams is named the starter last year. Now, what
Matt Eberflus did was name Caleb the starter right out
of the gate. He was the number one overall pick.

Speaker 22 (01:07:32):
But that you don't see that often.

Speaker 19 (01:07:34):
No, we don't have two number one overall picks here.
We're not going to replay the draft or relitigate the draft.
You have to win that job in August and September.
I think it is fantastic this year that all three
So Browns fans everywhere, all three games are going to
be simulcast nashling. Those games will mean something this year,
and the joint practices will mean more than they have

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ever meant against defending Super Bowl champion against an up
and coming Carolina team, like it's a meaningful training camp.
Everyone says you slept walk through training camp last year.
There is no sleep walking through training camp this year.

Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
Did you notice that tone difference?

Speaker 19 (01:08:16):
Yes, and I talked about Ograntel, but last week I'm
talked about with Jerry cod Jerry Conkin. I'm sorry, Jack Conkin.
I saw Jerry gugioun, Sir Jack Conklin today. The intensity
that everyone felt, you know, Ta's was the intensity we
felt out there today within reason, because you can only
go so intense here.

Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
Yeah, without pads, there's only so much you can do.
But at the same time, just the demand.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
The other thing that I think is so critical, and
this is why I keep using the line all the
pieces matter. There are only so many minutes in a practice,
so there are only so many reps, and so everything
you do is critical. And if you're these three young
guys and I put I put Kenny in there with him,
I mean they picked him first, and that they traded
for him. They picked Dylan first in the draft. He

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was a third, Shower was a fifth. So that's your order.
But in terms of if you get five, if you
get twelve, if you get seven, everyone you take matters
because they're being judged by everything they do, not just
on the practice field, but on the whiteboard and in
the meeting room.

Speaker 19 (01:09:11):
I think I would send this message, this job will
be one. It will not be gifted. Yeah, it has
to be one. You will know who wins this job,
and if none of the other three can win it,
then it's Joe Flacco's job. It might be he might
win it. But the idea that we're going to see

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a lot of Joe Flack win the preseason, I think
is absurd.

Speaker 16 (01:09:35):
We're not.

Speaker 19 (01:09:35):
We should too.

Speaker 22 (01:09:36):
I don't want to see him. I know what he
can do, so we can see it out here. We'll
see it.

Speaker 19 (01:09:40):
We'll see it in those joint practices, undoubtedly, but I
don't need to see it in the preseason. I could
see a world in which Dylan Gabriel is should or
Sanders those three touchdowns in the preseason opener against Carolina
and Luke Floria, and that'll be the only thing that
ESPN talks about the next week that is going to happen.

Speaker 22 (01:09:58):
Yep, and then you know who gets the job comes
September seventh.

Speaker 19 (01:10:02):
I have no idea.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
When you if you think about it in your career
and you've been in Los Angeles office for a long time,
have you experienced a true quarterback competition where you were
around it. Obviously a lot of the you see a
lot of the rams sure stuff. Is there is there
one that you can point to because I'm thinking back
and of the one, we only really had one since
I've been doing this, and that was the very first

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one with Bake, and that was a little farcical how
far Hugh went to kind.

Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
Of rearrange it.

Speaker 19 (01:10:31):
He told him he wouldn't win the job.

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
Right, and then he had the thing on hard knocks.
We brought him into promote him to be the backup,
like just some nonsense stuff. But like, that's the only
one that I've seen, but that was my very first
training camp here, and it was such a you knew
inevitably it'd be Bake.

Speaker 3 (01:10:45):
It's just a matter of when.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
But I've seen it in college a lot, but I've
never been through like a true quarterback competition, certainly never
a four quarterback competition. But I'm telling you and the
ones that I've seen in college, all of the pieces matter.
And every when they take reps matters, do they rep
with matters always? Because it's finite the amount of reps
that are available.

Speaker 19 (01:11:05):
And I think it was important today that Shirdor Sanders
was out there with some guys you might actually see
on Sunday, and that hasn't been the case at least
when the media has been out there before today. He
threw some nice balls. Dylan Gabriel also put one right
on Deontay Johnson where Carson Swesternsher was looming and lingering
and he dropped the ball.

Speaker 22 (01:11:25):
So they both made some good throws. To answer your
question about.

Speaker 19 (01:11:29):
A legit one, not with the Rams, we never really
had one. Jared Goff was taken the first round. I
think it was case Keenum who was going to get
the Like Jeff Fisher wasn't going to give him the job.

Speaker 22 (01:11:39):
It wasn't like a huge thing.

Speaker 19 (01:11:41):
You go sit in the corner, but Jeff, like you
knew Jared wasn't going to be the guy the gate,
and he eventually took over and the Jeff got fired.

Speaker 22 (01:11:48):
But you know, like a real legit competition.

Speaker 19 (01:11:52):
Because then went Stafford, So you didn't just rarely see
it very often, like in college, like the fourth thing,
the four quarterback thing is a college thing. It's like
we got and then somebody and.

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
Even yeah, and honestly, buddy, it's not even like a
big time college thing.

Speaker 3 (01:12:08):
Usually they have it locked into one or two.

Speaker 19 (01:12:10):
Behind the scenes, they know they've got it, sort out
blue shippers out there and the other kid who's been
there for four years now and you're gonna give him
a shot.

Speaker 20 (01:12:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
Yeah, but it's rare to have, like hey man, best man, win,
here's four of you. You just there's not a lot
of examples. It's why the joint practices really do mean
that much. They're critical and that's why how Kevin designed,
That's why Rookie Mini Camp had one hundred people in it.
That's why you had to have two practice, two fields
going all the time, because you just have to maximize it.

Speaker 19 (01:12:36):
And that's what was kind of frustrating. Listen, we're all here.
I like the attention, bring fun, bring the attention on,
bring the smoke on. But the idea that you can
make these these sweeping conclusions from anything we see today
or back in Rookie Mini Caamp. I mean, those guys
were throwing. Now some of those guys get signed McDonald
and Floria and good like they they made a name
for them. So Floria had that great back shoulder from

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Shador in Rookie Mini Camp and went viral. He got
a job out of it. That's fantastic. He's a great
hometown story.

Speaker 3 (01:13:04):
Love it.

Speaker 19 (01:13:05):
But Harold Fannin was really probably the only guy at
Rookie Mini Cam catching passes save for the two backs,
that you will see do anything on Sunday. So the
idea that you can make some conclusion from Rookie Mini caamp,
but he turned the TV on all the screaming head
shows like guys, pump your brakes, pump your brakes. Yeah,

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but buckle up at the same time.

Speaker 3 (01:13:31):
Yeah, it's gonna be fun. Enjoy the ride, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:13:35):
We talked a lot about the quarterbacks, obviously, what else
jumped out to you day one? As you observed, it
was fun to watch Mason Graham stand out there and
talk and laugh with Miles Garrett and do some drills
with shocks. Is there the d line coach and get
off the ball.

Speaker 19 (01:13:48):
I don't want to read too much into it, but
look like they're working on some outside pass rush moves,
so moving him around a lot that'll be fun. I
know he can get to the quarterback. They talk about
taking the handcuffs off, so I'm interested to see that
first time.

Speaker 22 (01:13:58):
We've seen Deontay Johnson out there.

Speaker 19 (01:14:00):
Didn't get a chance to talk to him, so I
don't know why he wasn't here for the voluntary program
after signing, but he's here for the mandatory program. He
can still move. I mean he's got those movement abilities.
You know, is it gonna work? I don't know. He
has that one drop pass. I mean he just got here,
so I don't know what else. The first time I've

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seen to Wan I wasn't here last week. He has
definitely slimmed down. Good to see Dylan Samson working out
wide as well. The Chador deep ball has already gone viral.
Our friend Jorie Epstein from Yahoo was the one who
caught the video. He threw pretty deep ball in seven
on seven. You know, there's there's no pass rush, It's yeah,
seven on seven, but he uncorked that nice deep one,

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and that is the one that's going to get played
on Sports Center and NFL Live all night tonight.

Speaker 22 (01:14:48):
It looks odd to see.

Speaker 19 (01:14:49):
Cornelius Lucas out there wearing Jed Will's number, but I
had not yet seen that in the OTAs because I
was not here last week. As mentioned, Uh, what else
do you have a messenger West and Gerleys. He looks
the part right, He absolutely looks the part. Good to
see Jerome Baker out there as well. Good to see
Nadjoku out there. Spoke to Jack Conklin as mentioned. He

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echoed everything that Joel said last Monday at Westwood Country
Club about the twenty twenty and twenty twenty one install,
about Mike Blungrin and the difference in attitude, and he said,
I said, do you think this group still and because
Joel said, we look, we're all older now, so do
you think this group still has it? Said yes, we do.

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
Yeah, And we had Dwan in here off the top
of the show. And one of the things that it
was good to hear was, you know, Luke Whipler back
because there's some future planning that needs to get locked in,
Like you need a nice year at his Zax Center.
You do struggled last year, you know, having to maybe
jump into the fire a little bit before he was ready,
and they need him to bounce back, because yes, that
old group still has it, but it's getting to become

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an older group, especially in the interior, so you need
some future planning here.

Speaker 19 (01:16:02):
You have three expiring contracts on that old line. You
do need to know whether or not Zack Zenner and
Luke Whipler can be the next guy's up, or for
that matter, a reclamation project in a former first round
pick like Tevin Jenkins can be that guy as well,
who when they kicked him inside, was a pretty consistent
player for the Bears. Do you have to play it outside?
You hope it doesn't have to get to that, but

(01:16:24):
could he be a potential piece there. The NFL is
littered with former first round picks that didn't work somewhere
on the O line, specifically, who went somewhere else and
realized their potential. If Tevin Jenkins can be one of
those future pieces and you see that this year and
in whatever kind of role you give him, that would

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be huge.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
It's probably the hardest evaluation other than quarterback at the
top is probably those tackles, because it's just hard to know,
like if a guy can go or not. They can
have all the tape in the world, and you just
don't know when get to the league if they're sure things.
I mean, Joe was a sure thing, but there's a
bunch of guys that were drafted high. We had Greg
Robinson in here.

Speaker 22 (01:17:06):
Was the second round.

Speaker 14 (01:17:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
I mean there's guys who were drafted really high and
it's you know, you just don't know. And Jed's one
of those. And now it sounds like he's gonna take
the year off. I did want to ask you about
because one thing that I still have a concern about
roster wise is the wide receiver position. Ceder Tillman's not
out there. He was not out there last week, which
wasn't out there either today.

Speaker 16 (01:17:26):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
Yeah, And you mentioned Deontay just said the one go
his way and it was it was dropped, didn't work out,
but and he wasn't here at OTAs that room. To me,
I would not be surprised if there was some people
brought in there. And I don't just mean bodies. It
feels like they need to add something.

Speaker 19 (01:17:43):
I agree with you. Uh, Deontay Johnson's a lottery ticket.
And listen, I'm not saying I'm not trying to be
mean spirited here. You look at his his journey last year. Uh,
you you can't count on them, right, It's I hope
it works out, that's the way you look at it. Hey,
I hope it works out. There's no guaranteed money on

(01:18:04):
this contract. If it works out, home run. If not,
move on, No harm, no foul. As a mixed sports
metaphors here, but yeah, you gotta go find someone else
in all likelihood by the by the end of camp.
But I am a Cedric Tillman believer. But you need
to see more of it. You need to see it. Yeah,
like you had that great five week window or four

(01:18:24):
week window, whatever it was, and you're banking on that
window not only being repeatable, but that you could grow
off of that. I hope you can.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
He passes every look test and when he's healthy, he
looks the part. It just you just need a full
season out of him. It's what you need.

Speaker 3 (01:18:42):
You needed to be productive. Like you can't just be
a Jerry's the one. You need a legit too.

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
Everyone's pointing on said to be the guy and we'll
see how he handles it. But yeah, that's that'll be
something to pay attention to to see if somebody pops there.
All right, Well, coming up next, we over what we
expect to see tomorrow. Some things are looking for.

Speaker 4 (01:19:00):
Two.

Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
We also now officially see Nick Chubb in Navy Blue
down in Houston.

Speaker 19 (01:19:05):
It's gonna fin.

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
I don't know if I ever want to get used
to that, but I guess we'll have to. We'll get
into all of that coming up next to listen to
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(01:20:14):
uniform wearing number twenty one. Our ownership d and Jimmy Haslam.
With this statement, we want to take this oportunity to
thank Nick Chubb for all he's done for the Cleveland
Browns for the last seven years. Nick gave everything he
had to our fans, this organization, the city. Always represented
our team as the consummate professional and in a manner
that showed his passionate love for the game of football.
Nick has always been about hard work and letting his
play on the field do the talking for him. We

(01:20:36):
are so grateful for so many memories, so many moments
he created on the field that we'll never forget. One
moment that stands out most is him stepping out of
bounds at the three yard line instead of scoring after
a fifty nine yard touchdown a fifty nine yard run,
rather to ensure a victory in a game against the
Texans in twenty twenty. Nick always puts winning above any
personal accolade, and that is what makes him so special.

(01:20:56):
Thank you for being a Brown, Nick. We look forward
to the day.

Speaker 3 (01:20:59):
We celebrate career as a member of our Ring of honor.

Speaker 2 (01:21:02):
So we had hypothesized that that would be clearly the
case yesterday, but making that part official as well, you've
been on the call for some of those, my friend,
and along Brown span your whole life, Nick Chubb, spot
for you.

Speaker 19 (01:21:17):
Like on the pantheon of all time greats, He's He's
the greatest Browns running back without a doubt of my generation.
I was very partial to Eric Metcalf as a kid.

Speaker 22 (01:21:29):
But much much different football player.

Speaker 19 (01:21:32):
I'm kind of I'm too old to remember the Pruez
I have their football cards, but I can't remember any
of their of their great moments. Kevin McK and Ernest Beiner,
the eighty five twenty one thousand yards team and then
the eighty six playoff run, those great Bernie teams.

Speaker 22 (01:21:48):
I love those guys, but no one.

Speaker 19 (01:21:50):
No one did as much as Nick Chubb and said
as little right, not all leaders are loud. He was
the epitome of leadership through his actions, through his attitude, dude,
through his work ethic, and undoubtedly through his play without
last year, where he clearly wasn't himself right, he would
have a what a five point two five career average?

(01:22:13):
That's hall of fame material. Nick Chubb is a Hall
of Fame back who at least here wasn't able to
finish that hall of fame career. I hope he kills
it in Houston. I don't know that he will, but
I hope that he does. And Miles said the same
thing down there when Miles was talking on did you
guys play that?

Speaker 3 (01:22:33):
We played some of it. We joined it in progress,
so we got a portion of it.

Speaker 6 (01:22:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:22:37):
So Miles was asked about it and he said, it
kills you like it guts you. I'm putting words in
his mid ye. It wasn't the exact phrasing, but at
the same time, he's happy for Nick and how hard
it was for the entire locker room to lose him
that night in Pittsburgh in September two years ago, but
how much it meant to have him come back. Look,
it means the same to Miles and his teammates as

(01:22:57):
it means everyone listening to this show right now. He
had that effect on everybody. You and I always joke
about like jerseys, like players cycle through. All of us
cycle through. We are stewards of the game and we're
lucky to be here. Nick Chubb's the guy that you
bought the jersey for because it didn't matter where he went,
because he is that guy. And his letter last year

(01:23:19):
in the Player's Tribune when he came back Week seven
and yes, I am flattered an honor to have been
on the call when he did score that one touchdown
on fourth down I cringe listening to it because I
think I yelled a little bit too much. But that
was real, right, real that we were all that excited
and to hear him come out of the tunnel that way.
He that guy. But Miles said today because someone like hey,

(01:23:40):
it'll be rooting against him, he was like no, like
like no, like I we all want the best for him.

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
Yeah, he's he's one of those You have those twenty
four jerseys, keep wearing them, Yeah, keep wearing them.

Speaker 3 (01:23:54):
I've got one.

Speaker 13 (01:23:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:23:55):
I don't buy jerseys, but I've got one.

Speaker 13 (01:23:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:23:57):
Yeah, No, he's He's unbelievable and it it was you
knew it was coming, and I was preparing for it.
But at the same time, it's weird this morning to
see him in a uniform other than.

Speaker 22 (01:24:06):
And we're in the twenty one.

Speaker 3 (01:24:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:24:09):
By the way, GM of the Houston Texans from Lynnhurst,
that's right, Okay, Offensive Coordinator to the Houston Texans from Canton.

Speaker 3 (01:24:20):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 19 (01:24:21):
So the people in Houston, let the people in Houston
are Browns fans put it this way.

Speaker 22 (01:24:27):
Yeah, And I'm not just I'm.

Speaker 19 (01:24:30):
Saying that with a little bit of knowledge here, Like
they've always admired Nick Chubb.

Speaker 2 (01:24:36):
I don't know a single person who has come in
contact with him personally or anyone has who has rooted
for him or has been even in a stadium with
him where he has watched him on TV, who does
not respect and love him. I mean, just a completely
one hundred percent universal approval rating. That's rare in our
business in football and sports. Think about the way Mike

(01:24:57):
Tomlin talked about him, mister Chubb. Mm hmm, come on,
I mean that is universal.

Speaker 3 (01:25:04):
It's rare.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
There aren't that many where you can't find anybody to
say a cross word, and there's not one for Chubb.

Speaker 22 (01:25:09):
Have you gone down? And the Browns tweeted a whole
bunch of these, yeah, but have you gone down?

Speaker 19 (01:25:14):
Like the Nick Chubb Highlight rabbit Hole, Yeah, and some
of the ones like I forget from eighteen and obviously
the one in Oakland in Baltimore. But there there is
a gear he didn't have it, like even even heading
into twenty three, that that gear, I don't know that
gear was still there, but the power and the vision
were always still there. Yes, and the gear was good enough.

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But that gear that he had in twenty eighteen, where
he gets to the second level and you're like, oh,
those four guys got angles, Like no they don't.

Speaker 22 (01:25:44):
They thought they did.

Speaker 19 (01:25:45):
And then he is gone.

Speaker 22 (01:25:47):
And then the young Nick.

Speaker 19 (01:25:48):
Chubb celebration, which there was a little bit more than
than there ever was the Endway's got the arms out
kind of gliding when he gets across the goal line.

Speaker 22 (01:25:55):
Like they those make me happy, Like yeah, it's those
are awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:25:59):
It was magical, it was and it's uh, you know,
and and we wish him all the best obviously, all right,
tomorrow we'll do day two.

Speaker 16 (01:26:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (01:26:08):
I don't know what the quarterback because I had to
dip out of Kevin. I know he said that the
flaccoat thing today was for a reason, meeting fewer reps
and more reps for the young guys. I had to
go tape Jack Conklin. So I don't know if Kevin
laid out what day two is going to look like.
I didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:26:20):
I didn't hear that, and I haven't seen I haven't
heard anything about laying out the rep. My hunch is
that he wouldn't share that even if he knew. Knowing him, Yeah,
but that's that's really where the attention continues to be
and deservedly so if you're gonna have four, then all
the attention is going to be on the four of
them and how they look.

Speaker 19 (01:26:36):
As as well it should. It is a legitimate quarterback competition,
and stop me, is there another one in the NFL?
I don't know that there is another legitimate quarterback competit.

Speaker 3 (01:26:47):
No, there isn't.

Speaker 22 (01:26:47):
Every time there there is not another unless I'm missing something.

Speaker 3 (01:26:51):
Every time I do this, I have to pull up
like the standings and go through them.

Speaker 19 (01:26:55):
There isn't.

Speaker 22 (01:26:59):
There.

Speaker 3 (01:26:59):
Good job.

Speaker 22 (01:27:02):
So the the Tyler Shuck, Spencer, Spencer Rattler, Jake Hayner, God.

Speaker 3 (01:27:10):
Bless you for dropping a j Hayner upside our head.
I didn't see that coming, Jake hayn So he's in
the mix. Yeah, that's it, though there's nothing else.

Speaker 22 (01:27:19):
Mother A bay are a TV anchor, By the way,
is that true?

Speaker 3 (01:27:22):
How about that? No, that's it. It's it's just that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:26):
I mean, it's not a competition, but there's a ton
of questions around quarterback, Like I would love to hear
how it goes for JJ McCarthy in Minnesota. I haven't
seen him play in a.

Speaker 3 (01:27:36):
While, but it's good.

Speaker 19 (01:27:37):
Yeah, We'll always have that one Saturday in August last
year for JJ McCarthy, and hopefully he can he can
get back to that.

Speaker 16 (01:27:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:27:46):
I mean, I haven't heard any reporting out of Pittsburgh
on how it's going for Rogers.

Speaker 19 (01:27:49):
Over there.

Speaker 13 (01:27:49):
We were just saying he has not talked yet. I
think they're just they just started practice.

Speaker 22 (01:27:55):
He'll be on the podium later this afternoon.

Speaker 19 (01:27:57):
Yes, And actually, if there's any solace here, if you
don't want the Browns quarterback, if you're one of these
people like me that is trying to stress patience and
not jump into conclusions, Aaron Rodgers speaking today will be
the number one NFL story, not anything that the Browns
four quarterbacks did. And and I am still fascinated by

(01:28:19):
the fact that Steeler fans seemingly, at least in my
social media mentions, are so universally against this move.

Speaker 8 (01:28:29):
Oh.

Speaker 13 (01:28:29):
I wanted to take down this franchise so bad, single handily,
just Stroy Pittsburgh, Pepa. I want him to take it down.

Speaker 2 (01:28:37):
I just don't even believe it. Though, I don't believe
that they really are. I think that they're gonna be.
You're gonna all you want is an NFL fan is hope,
and you can talk yourself into him having something left
in the tank pretty easily.

Speaker 22 (01:28:50):
I don't think a lot of them can.

Speaker 3 (01:28:52):
I think they will.

Speaker 22 (01:28:53):
I think.

Speaker 3 (01:28:56):
I told you that it was predetermined that all the way.
Give me a little you Alays are pushing back, But
you said that. The said that everybody knew. I think
it was for a long time. I liked Minnesota Yes
said no, this was it, and I think.

Speaker 19 (01:29:14):
They've both known for a long after the ram said, now,
well that's true, because.

Speaker 3 (01:29:17):
How about this.

Speaker 2 (01:29:18):
You see this Shamar Stewart, Bengals rookie thanks eating up
down there, seventeenth pick in the draft. This is the
quote from Shamar Stewart Jordan Schultz with this, we all
agree Trey will be all right, but technically he's still
one percent wrong for being under contract.

Speaker 3 (01:29:33):
In my case, I'm one hundred percent right. That's the
seventeenth pick in the draft.

Speaker 19 (01:29:38):
His agents have told him, don't sign if they're gonna
and don't participate. Don't and don't sign it participate. Yeah.
The only the only first round pick not on the field, yeah,
is Schmar Stewart. I think there's one or two that
have not yet signed.

Speaker 3 (01:29:54):
There was another one that just signed today.

Speaker 19 (01:29:56):
But those guys have all been on the because a
bunch of Hadden signed by Manicamp. But they were or
even at the beginning of OTAH, but they were on
the field. You sign your basic waiver and you get
out there, you're fine.

Speaker 22 (01:30:06):
But evidently, and.

Speaker 19 (01:30:07):
I'm not a salary cap expert, but whatever the Bengals
are putting into their contract, like his agent has said
to him, like that's not good enough protection.

Speaker 2 (01:30:16):
No, no wild wild so much more to come. You
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Speaker 3 (01:30:44):
How about the fact no NHL or NBA tonight? Neither one?
How do they know that their schedules.

Speaker 19 (01:30:49):
They they stagger. This thing is so frustrating, Like the
idea that what Week one of the NBA, I'm sorry,
Game one of the NBA was Wednesday or third last Thursday.

Speaker 22 (01:31:01):
And then of course they always do this every year.
They drag Game two to Sunday.

Speaker 2 (01:31:05):
Yep, yeah, but then instead of playing tonight. They're playing tomorrow,
which makes the NHL play Monday and Thursday. They're in
South Florida, mind you the whole time.

Speaker 19 (01:31:16):
Hey more eyes on Slade Seccone tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:31:19):
There you go, there you go.

Speaker 8 (01:31:20):
I don't know who that is.

Speaker 19 (01:31:22):
He's the He's the guy you got for Josh Naylor,
who is a baseball He's a right hander who's pitching
tonight for the Guards.

Speaker 22 (01:31:28):
He's the guy you got for Josh Naylor, who'll walk off?

Speaker 2 (01:31:30):
Are the are the Guardians? Is that's a that's the
Indians used to be Indians?

Speaker 13 (01:31:34):
Yes?

Speaker 22 (01:31:34):
That team?

Speaker 3 (01:31:35):
Oh, that franchise, the Local nine, the local line?

Speaker 6 (01:31:38):
Is it work?

Speaker 8 (01:31:39):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:31:40):
Good talking to you, but likewise as always, well, we'll
do it again tomorrow. Day two Mandatory Mini Camp. The
next level is coming up next. Thanks for lest somebody.
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Speaker 6 (01:32:03):
Your