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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Coming to you live from the Cross Country Mortgage Campus
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Speaker 2 (00:33):
Alight, it's so live on a Thursday edition to clearve
the Browns Daily. I am merely Bo. He is the
great Gibbe doctor Z. A little bit of respite, some
downtime for the good doctor needs it.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
He his parting gift to me yesterday was a list
of respitess.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
Oh yeah, and he's also, I mean, he's you know
there this summer, it's going to be the summers last
year with the summer is E. Another summer is E.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
I'm not sure it's going to be the well, I
don't I'm interested if that would be Miss CA's thought
that it's going to be the summer of Z. I'm
not so sure about that.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
I'm not either. So yeah, he's off the next couple
of days, so we will do the best week we deserve, yes,
very well deserved in his stay. So I was convinced.
We got a busy day Tommy Reskan to join us
at one forty five here in studio, so you have
that to look forward to, which is nice. He was
officially introduced as the offensive coordinator. We're gonna play some
of that audio from you, from Kevin and from Tommy

(01:30):
uh here. In a second, John Kaim is going to
join us, covers the commander's longtime friend. Cleveland native, Cleveland native, Lake, Ohio. Yeah,
big Buckeye fan, big Cleveland sports fan. He will join
us to preview the NFC Championship from the Washington side
of things. First time, Sin's ninety one for them to
get to an NFC Championship game, which is very very cool.

(01:51):
So you have that to look forward to. It's a
male big edition as well.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
It is we have a we have a full day,
a little position review. Doctor zuhh went above and beyond,
knocked out a couple of things. We'll talk about the
safety room. Prior to mister Reese, Kevin in studio hit
both sides of the football. Oh yeah, I had to
take care of you.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
You did. I owe Bootsy an apology. WHOA last night
last night where we had a practice. We were off
two days of school because it was cold, and then
we were able to get into the gym and have
a practice last night, and he started like like he
didn't want to go, like he was sick or whatever.
And I thought, he's going bueler. This is a bueler play,

(02:31):
like this is a multi level he's seen Ferris Bueller. Now,
he definitely has that.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
He has taught him the ways of the dark side.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
There's no question he has it well within his grasp
to put on a show like this and to get
my wife's favor. Basically, he winks at her and she's
so it's it like whatever he wants if he winks.
So like, all of these things are in play. So
this is what I said to him last night. I said,
this is so our league is done in basketball. We
play the league tournament this weekend. Right, So I said,

(03:01):
all right, if you don't practice tonight, you can't start
this weekend, can't start. So then he went right up
and got his stuff, and I said, okay, he was faking.
He's faking. Yep. So we get to practice and he's
kind of lethargic, and I'm at one point I'm like, okay,
like what's going on. He's fine, I'm fine, and he
was kind of mad at me that I divv or whatever.
So then this morning, as I'm getting ready to take

(03:24):
NBC to school, he starts school an hour before Boots
and beamsy Do, and he's coughing. I mean, quite honestly, folks,
he was. He was coughing like he was Doc Holliday
and Tombstone. You would have thought he had tuberculosis. Now,
I thought it was upfront, and I just kept saying,

(03:44):
you're fine, You're fine, stop it.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
You've been off for six days.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
This is over the top. Like we tested the temp.
You had a long weekend that was extended into a
five days off in a row because of the cold.
You don't want to go to school. I get it,
nobody does. I have you had that conversation with him.
Sometimes Ddy doesn't like to go doesn't want to go
to work. Sometimes it'd be nice to not, but you
got to. You gotta go to school, you gotta go
to work.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
This is what is.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
So he goes to school. And then I said, I
give it a fifty four percent chance that he's home
by noon, that he would be home by noon. And
it got to noon and he wasn't. He was still
at school, and then just as I got here, like
fifteen minutes ago, I got a text for my wife
that she was going to pick him up. So he's

(04:26):
legitimately sick.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
What is legit What will they call home? I think,
have you come pick him up?

Speaker 2 (04:33):
It makes me think the cough was real and he
couldn't get it to stop. Obviously, fever's contagious. You never
send the kids with that, but there is You know.
It's also too because the schools will say, like, don't
bring him in here if they're sick, right, they don't
want him in there, and there's a responsibility for that.
But at the same time, like you can't keep them
home every time they have a running nose, otherwise they

(04:54):
would never go to school, and.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
You're teaching them bad behaviors and write things for later
on in life. Gotta you gotta go through.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
You gotta trudge through in this time, the way that
the weather's been. I don't know anyone who hasn't been
sick a little in the last two months. The whole
the whole damn state's I mean the whole country, the
whole state's cold has a cold. So it appears that
there was a legitimate sickness Saturday.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
Okay, so he's got and a half. Yeah, but if
he doesn't go to school, the mon can you still
play Saturday?

Speaker 2 (05:26):
Be coach's decision. The coach's decision on that. We I'm
gonna I didn't tell you this, and then I'll get
to Tommy Reese. All right. If we were would have
we had three games this weekend, if we would have
lost one of the games in the third grade, we
would have had to play at clover Leaf at eight
a m Saturday.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
That's untenable.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Eight am at clover Leaf. That's a long way from you. Yeah,
let alone me. Yeah a lot. I mean that's load
of I mean you go to Columbus. Yeah, what's stopping you?
You're closer. Yeah. So well, I'm going in my head,
I'm like, we have got to win all three. If
we don't, then I'm like eight am clover Leaf and
then Beamsy's team had already locked in their seed and

(06:09):
they play at six o'clock at clover Leaf Saturday. So
theoretically I was going to be there eight am and
then six pm, forty five to fifty minutes from home.
Like that's that was the reality of my situation, a
lot of mileage.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
It was.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
We ended up winning pretty with two seconds left. We
got a shot to go in against previously undefeated team.
That put us into the ten o'clock game, and I've
never been That was my super Bowl. I told my
I don't even care if we if we lose out
in the first round of the tournament, that doesn't I
don't care at all. I'm fine as long as I'm
not having to leave my house at six forty in

(06:42):
the morning to play a third grade basketball.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
Are you playing clover Leaf or oh, it's.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
Just one of the sites.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
This has got to stop. Well, there has to be
someone else that can host this close.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
They do a really good job. They've got four courts,
and it is close for some of the schools that
are in the league, like I suppose, I mean, I guess,
I don't know how close. That's relatively close to Madina.
They're in the league, Highlands in the league, wads within
the league, like it's all the suburban league teams, like
they're all in there, but it's a long ways from
like us and certainly like Twinsburg or Nordonia or any

(07:14):
of those teams. That's forever long ways from Brixville obviously
North Royalton. So I guess the reality is there aren't
enough gyms. There aren't enough gyms that it can host it.
So like you want to be in a good business,
build a gym, and you can just build one, Just
build one in the middle anywhere and you get a rented.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
Here here's my other here's my other takeaway from this information.
The fact that youth basketball is over on January twenty
third is a little bit ridiculous. I get that the
high school stuff starts playoffs, yeah, late February, mid to

(07:53):
late February, but come on, you can't go a few
more weeks.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Here, so it does. This is the league. So the
way that works is you play your leagues from you
play preseason tournaments in November, you play your league from
the beginning of December until the end of January. Then
that's your league championship, and then February is community tournaments.
So like, our league's done this week, but then next
week we'll play at Green The week after that we'll

(08:16):
play in a tournament in Jackson. Then we'll be off
for the holiday, and then we'll go to the one
we go to. I think Aurora at to end the year,
so you have still have three more weekends and then
aau goes in, right, that folds in in March.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
Yeah, right, across an aau and away you go. That's
how it is.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
So anyway, Boots, I owe an apology. Legit sick.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
It's a big That's a big moment here on this show.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
Is what it is. Gotta own it, got got out.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
What if you come home and he's just running around
like a mad man, that's a fact.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
He will be doing that. He will be either he's
gonna be sucking down fluids, gatorades and such. He's definitely
gonna be playing some sort of video game or watching Blueye.
So yeah, he will do all of those things that. Now,
if I get home and there's some sort of a
stuffed animal, squishable thing and he has a big smile
on his face and my wife is like, oh, we
just had to get it for him to make him

(09:10):
feel better, then I'll know I've been had and then
I take the apology back. But right now I think
he's my hunches. He's telling the truth, gotcha. We'll see,
all right. Tommy Reese was officially introduced to the media
this morning at the Cross Country Mortgage Campus. As I mentioned,
he'll join us live on the show here at one five.
Here is Kevin Stefanski making the formal announcement of Reese

(09:30):
as the offensive coordinator.

Speaker 4 (09:32):
Okay, guys, excited to announce Tommy Reese as our offensive coordinator.
Tommy's a guy that we met a few years back,
kept a relationship, watched him from Afar as he had
his success as a young coach, and then we were
able to bring him in here last year. And really
the spent last year spent with Tommy really solidified what
I thought about him. You know, we had a process

(09:55):
with some really impressive candidates for this job, some smart
people that we really enjoyed getting to know, but ultimately
felt that Tommy was the right.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
Fit for this football team.

Speaker 4 (10:06):
As far as play calling, which I know you guys
a gonna ask I'm gonna call plays and I reserve
the right to change my mind. Okay, So excited announced Tommy.
He's ready for this been already a bunch of meetings
with Tommy with the offensive coaches. It feels like Tommy's
got a really strong handle on this job, and I'm
excited for him. So without further ado Tommy Rees.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
So obviously the headline there is Kevin taking back play calling. Good. Yeah,
that's why. I mean went Coach of the Year twice
doing that. Yes, I thought it was odd that he
gave it up this year, And I mean, that's this
isn't college football. I have a very different feeling about,
like Ryan Day giving up play calling at Ohio State.

(10:50):
In college football right now, you have to kiss all
the babies, and you've got to shake all the hands.
You are dealing with a free agency period that's year round.
You're dealing with no contracts so guys can ask you
for more money constantly. You're dealing with fundraising and recruiting
and all of this stuff all the time. Kevin's fancy's
coaching football. And so while I understand it at the

(11:12):
college game, why you just can't do that anymore? Very rarely.
There are very few examples of coaches who can who
have success. You can absolutely handle it, and most of
the great coaches do it. And he was hired here
because of his offensive acumen and his the rhythmic play
caller that he is. And to not do that this
year I did not understand. And it pleases me that

(11:32):
he's getting it back. Does it not to say that
Tommy can't do that down the road or there can't
be a situation where it turns into something Tommy does.
If this success, you know, bleeds on for years and years.
But I'm with you to me, no brainer.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
Yeah, I think that Kevin's putting himself in the best
position to succeed by being the play caller. You know,
it will start and end with him. But I think
having a guy that like Tommy Reese, that is known
in the highest of college football circles and the highest
of NFL circles, if he wasn't going to be the
OC here, he was going to be the OC somewhere else.

(12:08):
He wanted to be here.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
Well, I mean he was damn near the head coach
at North Carolina, the number two. There's also that, so
that part of it too, No, and I I know' well, well,
I'll save this for for this next one. Because he
was at Tommy was available for a long time and
again he'll join us in about a half hour. He
was asked about putting on putting an offense together without
knowing who the quarterback will be. Here's what Tommy reesaid

(12:32):
to say about that.

Speaker 5 (12:33):
I think you want to build an offense that has
flexibility to be able to, you know, cater to any
quarterback strengths. And that's what we're after here, and that's
what we're trying to build. And you know, we have
to be you know, malleable in our ability to shape
the offense, you know, to really highlight the strengths of
that player. And you know, I know we're gonna put
a system together that's able to do that.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
He was also asked a question that I will ask
him in a different verbiage here in about a half hour.
What is the one trait you want your quarter back
to have At the end of the.

Speaker 6 (13:01):
Day, A quarterbacks job is to solve problems.

Speaker 5 (13:04):
You're going to be tasked sixty seventy eighty times a
game to make a decision and a critical moment. And
so I've always started with the ability to make quick
decisions and make the right decisions. So if you said
one thing over the other, I want a decision maker
at that position.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
And the other one. In this piggybacks off the previous
two bites. Here is Tommy on Obviously, we turned at
a ton of turnovers this year. That's got to get
cleaned up. Here's Reese on that.

Speaker 5 (13:27):
You know, I think when your players are when the
message is very clear, when the expectation on certain plays
is very clear, when the teaching progression allows them to
have confidence and play on time, on schedule, I think
that helps limit those things. Obviously, you know, interceptions pile up.
We have to make sure that there is no gray

(13:49):
area for those quarterbacks, and then you know, we've got
to preach good ball security for the carriers.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Here's the other thing that Kevin taking back play calling
allows for. It allows for Tommy Reese as offensive coordinator,
to be someone who mentors young quarterbacks. And I think
it's very likely that we will have I think it's
more likely than not that we will have two new
young quarterbacks in addition to a veteran. That seems very likely.

(14:18):
Whether that's at two and a third or whether you
trade out at two and you grab a couple of
who knows you're gonna have some young quarterbacks in here.
And Tommy Reese, what he showed me at Alabama with
Jaln Milroe was extraordinary in terms of taking a kid
who did not have a lot of confidence at the
beginning of that season, Jaln Milroe's sophomore season at Alabama

(14:41):
and then over the by the end of that season,
had played himself into a Heisman candidate and taken Probably
I think it's fair to say Saban's most his least
talented team to get to a playoff, to get that
team to win the SEC to go to the playoff.
They ended up losing to Michigan late in that game,
but to be able to do so, to me, was
an incredible feather in his cap that he was able

(15:06):
to lift that offense the way he did so when
when he got on our staff, there was excitement because
of what he was able to do there. At the time,
we did not have young quarterbacks that needed mentoring. We
will now, and I think this Kevin taking back play
calling will allow for Quett for Tommy to have a
very heavy hand in the development of the young quarterbacks.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
Yeah, someone asked him about about Milroe. He said, he goes,
I'm not talking about anybody that's in the draft, but
I'm gonna I'm gonna nip this in the butt right now.
I you know, we're going to begin that process. I
appreciate everything that that young man did at Alabama and
our time together. He's a special player.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
I love him.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
I wish him all the best. But we're we're just
starting down this path and starting down this road. The
coaches have been off for ten days. They just got
back in on Tuesday, and you know, I mean, he's
he's figuring out a staf like he's going to join
us in between doing some interviewing. Yeah, you know, because
there's some guys under you know, maybe not the position coaches,

(16:09):
but like Callie Bronson left and you know, he's got
to replace some people, and he's working on his staff
and figuring things out. But he you know, you're hoping
that he comes to the table with the same type
of mindset that Alex Van Pelt had. Yeah, you know,
I'm here to enhance what coach is doing. Yeah, I'm

(16:29):
going to take what coach has and make it better.
And he could run the day to day operations of
the offense, which allows coach to take care of some
of the stuff on the defense and special teams end
as well.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
I just say this on Milroe, I understand the common
sense of connecting the dots between Reese Milroe Browns. I
mean I totally understand that. I understand why you would
jump to the conclusion that all of those things would
be connected. I would also just say that if you've
watched college football the last couple of years, historically speaking,

(17:01):
the traits that Kevin Stefanski wants in a quarterback are
not necessarily traits that Jalen Milroe has. He's a He's
a very different type of player than the ones that
usually strive in these type of offenses. So schematically, I
think it's a very long shot to think that Milroe
would be a fit. To me, he is much more

(17:24):
in line with like how Philly with Jalen Hurts. You
draft Jalen Milroe, you build things around what he's such.
He's a great runner, he's a powerful thrower, but he
will throw it to the opposition. The accuracy underneath just
isn't there. It just doesn't fit what this style of
offense typically would want. So that's not pay attention to

(17:46):
the scores. That's just someone who's watched a lot of
Milroe the last two years, and to me, it doesn't
seem like the type of quarterback that that Kevin would want. Here.
Not to say that he's on a great player at
Alabama and all those things, and Tommy has a great
effects for him obviously as a player, as a person,
all of it. I just don't think schematically it's a fit.
And I wouldn't jump to that conclusion based on the
fact just that Tommy had him at Alabama.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
Yeah, no, I wouldn't agree on it. And he had
a very funny story and we'll play more of of
Coach tomorrow on the show in its entirety, but Rees
had had a funny moment because he said he and
his brother growing up. You know, his brother played tight end.
He played quarterback, and like they would they had knocked down,

(18:29):
drag out like fights over what position was more important
or what position was tougher to play. And he said,
after like three days of training camp and like at
the Greenbrier, he called his brother and because Tommy was
coaching tight end, he goes, I think you might have
been onto something. I'm just throwing it out there. I'm
not saying quarterbacks not tougher, but this is quite a challenge.

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But he got the most out of that tight end.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Room well, and he also got you just think of
his real world experience in this job. He was under
Brian Kelly at Notre Dame, and then he was under
Marcus Freeman at Notre Dame. Then he went to Alabama
under Nick Saban, the greatest college coach of all time,
and then this past year not only under Kevin but
also with Mike Rabel because Mike worked with tight ends
all the time and so he got I mean, this

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is as good of coaching apprenticeship as anybody could ever
have to prepare you for this moment. And oh, by
the way, he has enough leadership qualities in natural charisma
that he was the quarterback at Notre Dame. So like
all of the boxes check when it comes to Tommy,
there's no question about that. And hopefully he'll join us
here in about twenty five minutes or so. All right,
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Time to Go Around the League presented by Lee Filter,
official gutter guard of your Cleveland Browns. I thought I
saw this this morning. It will be Brian Schottenheimer in
Dallas that they are coming to. I thought I saw
that from Florio. Oh, I haven't seen I haven't seen anything.
Let me see. I wanted to say, I saw it
this morning that there they were inching closer to Schottenheimer
being the coach in Dallas. Let me see if it

(21:11):
was where I saw it. It was flour yell. I
haven't seen anybody.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
Oh no, If and when Shottenhiram becomes the Cowboys coach,
who will be the DC don't rule out this guy
Rex Ryan is a picture of him I have not seen.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
So that was the one I saw if and when if?
When I thought I saw one that said it was happening, Yeah,
that's twenty six mes ago. I thought I saw one
from earlier that they were circling the wagons on him,
But then I don't see it from uh, I don't
see it from schefter.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
So Jane Slater who NFL network, and she's she's embedded
with the with the Cowboys. Cowboys met with Brian Schottenheimer
for more than five hours yesterday and what was their
second interview this week with him? When asked if this
was imminent or whether new was expected today, I was
told nothing as of yet, per source. The weight continues.

(22:05):
That was fifty three minutes ago.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
Okay, all right, So it must have been that the
combination of that and then the Florio one that let
you believe that it was already done. Okay, all right,
very good. NFL honors are out The finalists for the
Major Position Awards are now known the MVP Final Five.
In this one, there's five of them.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
I thought they were only three, but the ESPN article
has five because I saw the article.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
The original article had three and it was Lamar Josh. Yeah,
they had Burrow and Golf to it. I don't know
what you would do that for it. It feels like
it's between Lamar and Josh.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
Well, the Bengals malfeasans cost Burrow the MVP, you could art.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
I mean, I know we had our own issues, but
you think about the fact that they had a defensive
end who very likely win Defensive Player of the Year.
They've got a receiver who won a Triple Crown and
a quarter who led the NFL in passing and they
didn't make the postseason.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
Yeah, so yeah, that's that's ridiculous to me.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
But yeah, Lamar, Josh, Saquon, Burrow, and Golf your finalist
for the MVP Offensive Player of the Year Finalists Lamar Burrow, Saquan,
Jamar Chase, and Derrick Henry.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
That's a tough one there, but I feel like Saquon
gets it because of the two thousand yards.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
Saquan or Jamar, Yeah, I mean Jamar won the triple crown,
so they'll give it to Saquon though, because of his
team's better so and I think two thousand yards he'd
be very worthy of winning Offensive Player of the Year
Defensive Player of the Year. Miles is back as a
finalist song with Trey Hendrickson, Pat Sartan, Zach Bron and TJ. Watt.
I don't know why TJ. Watt made it.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
The Eagles linebacker. I don't know enough about. I wonder,
like sometimes you look at the awards handed out leading
up to this as maybe a telltale sign. I know,
the Pro Football Writers Awards I think came out yesterday
and Certan won Defensive Player of the Year.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Oh wow, over.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
Any of the edge rushers. Okay, So I wonder if
there's something to that going forward here.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
Yeah, could be. I mean, wasn't Lamar the first team
All Pro quarterback? I believe he was. That It would
be something to win your third MVP and you've never played.
I mean, like, the guys who win three MVPs are
Super Bowl champions. Yeah, you usually made it. It's a
high level.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
Yeah, you haven't even made it to a super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
No, No, and have no fault of his own. None,
but this no, certainly not. Yeah, it'd be weird for
Hendrickson too, because like the one thing with Cincinnati all
year was their defense was awful. That got turned around
late in the season as they made their run, but
it was bad for the majority of the year, so
much of the defensive coordinator got fired. Correct. So, speaking

(24:56):
of the Bengals, they've hired Al Golden to be their
new defensive coordinator. Golden was the Bangers Bengals linebacker coach
in twenty and twenty one, was the defensive coordinator this
past season at Notre Dame. So I get it. I
think you're gonna see. We saw this with Jeff Haffley,
who was a Buckeye assistant. He was the head coach
at Boston College and he just went to Green Bay

(25:16):
to be a decourt probably left. I'm good. I don't
want any part of this. I can't. There's no rules
to this sport at the moment, So I think you'll
see more and more guys do what Golden did here
and others and get out of the college game and
get to the NFL, at least until they get some
sort of a lasso around what college football is at
the moment. This is funny because Nathan and I have
spent so much time in the last month talking about

(25:37):
what is going on in Jacksonville. Why didn't they get
a coach? And the thing that we keep coming back
from was Trent Balke that nobody wanted to work with
Trent Balky. Well, apparently that message got to Shad Cohn
because Trent Balkey is no longer the general manager in Jacksonville.
I don't know why they didn't do it. It's a great quot.
Why didn't they do it when they fired Peterson? I
have no idea did they Did it cost him a

(25:58):
chance at candidates? Yeah? I think for sure it must have.
Now all of a sudden though, you're now you're hiring
a general manager and a coach.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
You gotta hire both what you haven't And I wonder
if the final straw was yesterday. You have an OC
in Tampa Bay that's never been an NFL head coach
the opportunity to interview, and he pulls himself out of
the running. True, like that has to be an alarm
bell somewhere when the guy pulls himself out of being

(26:27):
able to get his first head coaching job.

Speaker 6 (26:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
In the NFL.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
Yeah, in a good spot too.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
We've talked about it. I mean, you got you got
the quarterback, You've got some players.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
Receivers, goods backs. So if I have this right, correct
me if I'm wrong. GM coach is still being looked
for in Jacksonville, yes, coach in Dallas, coach in New Orleans, yes,
and coach in Vegas.

Speaker 3 (26:52):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
Is there any that we're missing? They Chicago's filled, the
Jets are filled, Patriots are filled.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
Bears are filled, all of those.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
I think that's so those four head coaching jobs are
still open, and one GM job still open in Jacksonville
because Vegas has the GM two GM.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
I think the Jets are still well.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
The Jets are still GM.

Speaker 3 (27:14):
Yeah, the Jets still don't have a GM, and they
were the first ones to fire the GM.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
They interviewed Spielman. I wonder if there's you know, and
he obviously would know Aaron. I wonder if Aaron Glenn
is gonna have to say on the GM. Yeah, you know,
you wouldn't take that job unless you knew who you
were working with. I don't think if you're Aaron Glenn,
I don't you're not taking that job, and lets you
know who's.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
I'm not answering to a guy that's not even here yet. No,
I'll answer to the owner. See, I never I never
understood that, like either hire the hire the two guys
at the same time, yeah, or hire the GM and
then go hire the coach.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
I'm okay with hiring the coach first, as long as
the coach is the boss of the GM. That that's
okay to me. I mean, I get you know, Kevin
and ab they all answer to ownerships, but they both
came in Kevin first though, right, Kevin and then Aby.
I think that was the chronology of that. Yeah, So
I think you could just have to know what the

(28:12):
hierarchy is on all of it. So that'll be interesting
to see what happens there. College football, we did get
some numbers from the National Championship Game twenty two point
one million, most watched non NFL sporting event over the
past year, but twelve percent down from the Michigan win
over Washington in twenty twenty four. College football games end
up being nine of the ten most viewed this season.

(28:33):
Georgia's win over Texas and the SEC Championship was six
at sixteen point six. The Buckey's victory over Oregon remains
the most watched college football game by viewers in the
CFP era. That was thirty three point nine thirty four
million in twenty fifteen, so they've receided ten million viewers thereabouts.
There were some outliers that were in the twenty five
twenty six, but the big one was that first college
football playoff. Here's what I would say, and I said

(28:55):
this a lot this morning. You just can't play on
the Monday after the division round.

Speaker 7 (28:59):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
Last week in the morning, I made the case to
like own Fridays, have that be your night, play your
semi finals, one of your semifinals on Friday, playing Friday Saturday.
Be the appetizer for the NFL. Don't try to be
the dessert. Think of it. When you go to like
a white tablecloth great restaurant, you almost always are gonna
get appetizer. If some sort either gonna get an appetizer

(29:21):
or a salad or a soup, you're gonna order something
before you order your stake. That's just the way that
you can do it. That's the way it's done. But
you don't always order a dessert and I think the
college football National Championship game being played on the Monday
after the divisional round, you are lost. You're lost promotionally,
you're lost. In the non college football world. Everyone's thinking, NFL,

(29:42):
casual sports fan, you're lost. There's fatigue, You've just watched
eight hours of football, Like how much football can you watch?
And so I think they just got to get out
of being the dessert for the NFL and instead be
the appetizer for the NFL, and then I think it
would be fine. It's so great in an era where
nothing rates outside of football anymore. It's still that most
popular sport in the country by a wide margin, behind

(30:03):
the NFL. But I do think there's opportunity to get
some of it back with just some common sense with
the playoff, move it back a little bit, and then
an ability just play it on Friday, and then I
think you'd get You would have got probably twenty eight
million on Friday, I really think. So. I just think
it was so much football by the time.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
You got correct, and I mean, let's be honest, until
the fourth quarter, there wasn't The championship games haven't exactly
been the most riveting over the last few years.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
Last year's was pretty good with Michigan and Washington. This
one ended up being good in the fourth, but it
was at one point thirty one to seven. It peaked
when it was seven to seven and then Ohio State
got those two touchdowns to make it twenty one seven
and a half and then I mean the lowest rated
one was the Georgia TCU, which was a billion to two.
So yeah, there's been some bad ones. So I just

(30:49):
think they have to have some common sense on the
approach to it, and I think they'll be fine, all right.
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Our position review segments continue. We are in the safety
room and for perspective, we turned to Doc to Z.

Speaker 8 (31:44):
All Right, as our position reviews continue, we take a
look at the safety rooms of the Cleveland Browns. Will
start at the free safety position where Wan Thornhill in
the second year of his three year deal. He'll be
entering the third year again unfortunately battled injuries for the
Cleveland Browns. Was limited to just eleven games, no interceptions,
three passes defense, he had forty nine tackles. And for Thornhill,

(32:07):
he had a calf injury in his first year with
the Browns and that really limited him to you guessed it,
eleven games the year before, only one pass defense, fifty
four tackles. Well, this year he came out and he
looked good. Week one comes out against the Dallas Cowboys,
nine tackles, a tackle for a loss, was flying all
over the field. Looked great, but he would be injured.
He would not return until Week seven against the Cincinnati Bengals,

(32:31):
missing those six games. Now he would play out the
rest of the season battling injuries on and off, and
unfortunately for the Browns, Thornhill was supposed to bring a
lot of stability and playmaking to that free safety position.
The injuries have just limited his effectiveness and his ability
to do that. You take a look at his career.
When he was with the Kansas City Chiefs. Four seasons there,

(32:51):
he averaged two picks a season. He had at least
one interception every season there, eight picks in total. He
would have twenty passes defense and four seeds there, so
an average of five a year. And he was a
guy that averaged about just about sixty tackles a season
as well. Now, in his time with the Cleveland Browns,
Thornhill no interceptions. It's the first years of his career

(33:12):
four straight with at least one. He had none here,
and he only produced an average of two passes defense
per season, so just one thorn Hill. The production has
not been there. He signed that three year, twenty one
million dollar contract. He's entering the last year of that contract.
The Browns will have some flexibility or options there. You
would love to see at work where Thornhill is the
guy that he was in Kansas City. His last year

(33:33):
in Kansasity twenty twenty two, three interceptions, nine passes defensed,
and a sack. He's seventy one tackles, a career high
four tackles for loss of career eye. He had a
career season, and unfortunately, because of the injuries, especially to
that calf, it just has not happened here with the
Cleveland brown So unfortunately for one thorn Hill, we have
not seen that level of play. One more year under contract,

(33:54):
perhaps twenty twenty five is that season. The Browns also
have another free safety that I like a great deal,
young Ronnie Hickman, the former Ohio State Buckeye who should
have had an interception earlier in the year he had
won against the Giants that was taken away due to
a penalty on a roughing the passer. But Ronnie Hickman
fourteen games this year, he started five of them, played

(34:15):
very solidly for you once again, forty five tackles, a
tackle for a lost fumble, recovery of pass defense now
we can never forget. In his rookie year he had
that pick six against the Jets on the night that
the Browns clinched the playoffs here in twenty twenty four.
That was magical. But I thought played well for the
Browns again this year. Entering his thirty year as an
undrafted free agent, and he certainly is somebody that I

(34:36):
think if you're looking at the Browns and you say,
could he be a starter for me going forward? I
do think he could be. You look at the Browns
defensive grades this year. Miles Garrett was number one this
is Pro Football Focus, Isaiah MacGuire was number two, jok
number three, Devin Bush number four, Jordan Hicks number five,
number six, Ronnie Hickman was the highest graded defensive back
on the Browns. Despite the fact that obviously which called

(34:57):
some into question. Obviously Denzel Ward he had such a
good year, but he was without question the highest graded
safety on the Cleveland Browns this season. So he's somebody
that you can look at there in that free safety room.
You've got him on a rookie deal where he can
maybe start for you, and he comes at a very
good price. Now the Browns will have one change for
sure in that safety room as gone is Rodney McCleod,

(35:20):
retiring after his thirteenth NFL season this year. Rodney McLeod,
who has been so good throughout his career, came back
for that last ride with the Browns. Played all seventeen
games this season. He had thirty nine tackles, two tackles
for a loss, He had a fumble recovery for a touchdown,
five pass defense.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
He had a field.

Speaker 8 (35:39):
Goal block return for a touchdown. There was a while
Rodney McLoud as a defensive player was leading this team
in touchdowns with two. I was in week I want
to say six after his touchdown against the Eagles. So
Rodney McLeod could still play. He's hanging him up. An
illustrious career. That son spent time with the Eagles, with
the Rams, with the Colts, and with the Browns. Rodney McLeod,

(36:02):
we certainly wish him well. I think he's gonna be
a force in the media. But what Rodney McLeod was
in a lot of our big nickel situations or big
dime situations, which would be three safeties. He could play
in the post as a free safety. He could come
down in the boxes a strong safey. So he had
that versatility. And so Rodney McLeod was a very versatile piece.

(36:22):
Knew Jim Schwartz's defense won a Super Bowl with him
in twenty seventeen, and so he's retiring, so he will
not be there in twenty twenty five. So right now,
in the free safe room. He got Thornhill, You've got Hickman.
Rodney McLeod will not be back in twenty twenty five.
Browns have some decisions to make it. Certainly that's a
room that they could try to add some talent, whether
it be free agency or in the draft. On the
strong safety side, I think you're in a little bit

(36:44):
of a better position in terms of continuity. You've got
Grant Delpit, and Grant Delpit, you know, in sign that
three year, thirty six million dollars extension the end of
the twenty three season, comes back his first year on
the deal. Guess what, He's the Browns leading tackle. He
has one hundred and eleven tackles this year, seven tackles
for a loss. He was a good blite bitzer. He
got his hands on the ball as a defender, had
to sack a fumble recovery, and played very well. Was

(37:05):
just highly regarded around the league for his performance, not
only in coverage but as a run defender. Really kind
of played in the box as an extra linebacker, and
I thought played.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Very very well.

Speaker 8 (37:14):
He's a stud. He's got that right attitude, the right disposition.
He's a guy that you know, is a centerpiece of
what you're going to do on defense going forward. And
so you're good with Grant Delpit, and then the other
strong safety is the Anthony Bell. And now Delpit, being healthy,
didn't get to play much this year. Played in all
seventeen games, mostly on special teams. When you look at
his snapcounts this season, he played just ninety three snaps

(37:37):
on defense nine percent. A year ago he played two
hundred and twenty seven and the Anthony Bell a year
ago very productive. When he did play career high twenty
eight tackles, he had four passes defense. He had two interceptions,
including that game winner against the Bears. He had a
force fumble this year. Really was more of a special
team's guy. Nineteen tackles, tackle for a loss, didn't play
much at safety. But he's somebody that if you needed to,

(37:57):
certainly could start for you. He's shown you that. He
was the first undrafted free agent and the Kevin Stefanski
Andrew Berry regime back in twenty two, and he's played
well when called upon twenty two to twenty three, twenty four.
The Anthony Bell is a guy that when you need
to start, he can do it. I think he could
slide some into that Rodney McCloud role as that third
safety for you, and we'll see if he can do that.
He's a restricted free agent. The Browns have his rights,

(38:19):
and my guess is that he would be back with
the Cleveland Browns. They got a couple other safeties on
the roster, Christopher Edmonds, who finally was active in Week eighteen.
He was undrafted free agent this year out of Arizona State.
Did not see any offensive action or defensive action, I'm sorry,
but did participate on special teams in the season finale
against the Ravens. And he's a guy that they liked.

(38:41):
Good ball skills, guy who can play kind of that
center field free safety role, good size, good speed. He
actually in that game against Baltimore, he did play I
guess three defensive snaps and he played twenty one on
special teams appeared in two games for the Cleveland Browns
over the course.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
Of the season.

Speaker 8 (38:57):
So he's a guy that's in the mix next year,
trying to make his way on the roster, much like
Ronnie Hickman and the Anthony.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
Bell did before.

Speaker 8 (39:03):
Browns also have Trade Dean the third there in that
safety room. So there's gonna be change. Roddy McLeod will
be gone. There could be more change wan Thornhill in
the last year of that three year deal. You've got Hickman,
delpit Bell, who I expect back. This is a room
where could you be making a move at free safety
in the draft? Could you be making a move in
the safety room and free agency? I think the answer

(39:23):
to both of those questions is probably yes. So a
room that will look familiar, but it could look different.
Could have four of the five safeties back, No Roddy McLeod,
we know that, or could be three of the five
safeties back. We'll have to see how this all plays
out for the Browns this offseason. But that's our look
at the safety room.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
All right, there you go. Great stuff out of doctor
Z on the preview with the safeties, and illuminary walked
right in said, nice to see it. Newly minted offensive
coordinator Tommy Reesons studio with us live here on Cleveland
Browns Daily. It's got a nice ring to it.

Speaker 6 (39:54):
Yeah sounds all right, yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
Is there a when you think back when you have
career achievement like this, do you allow yourself to think
back when you were younger, and when you thought this
would be a career path for me. Obviously, play quarterback
at Notre Dame, you think you're gona play the league,
all those things for a long time. But was there
a point when you said, okay, this is my path
and then to get to this point at your age
is a remarkable thing. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (40:17):
Well, first of all, I don't know if I ever
thought I was going to play in the league. You know,
I kind of knew where I was going to tap out.
You know, you get the job and there's immediately so
much that you need to do that you want to do,
that you're eager to get rolling on. So it's very
rare to have a ton of opportunities for reflection, you know,
this one. I did have a moment after the interview,

(40:40):
you know, there was a little bit of time and
just you know, talking with my wife and just said, hey,
if this does work out, this is kind of what
we've always you know, strived for. And but after that,
pretty much no other time to reflect. You move ahead
and you get ready for the job, and you hit
the ground running as soon as you're in here.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
You you had a bunch of options. What was it
about this one that that made you say this is
where I got to be.

Speaker 5 (41:06):
Yeah, there's a few, you know. I would start with
the organization. I would start with coach Ttefanski. You know,
I came here a year ago with really a lot
of the belief and a lot of the reason being Kevin,
wanting to learn from him, wanting to work for him,
and then that belief has only grown being here. And
then I would say, like, there are certain places across

(41:26):
the NFL, across college football that where you know, whether
it's the city, where it's the organization, whether it's the
division you play in, where football is at its peak,
and where football is a huge priority. And for me,
I wanted to be in Cleveland. I wanted to stay
with the Browns. I grew up, you know, with my
dad being here and obviously following the team, but there's
something about winning in this city that I'm really driven

(41:47):
to do.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
There's a parallel. I tell a lot of our guys
when they come in the show, and there are guys
from big programs like the one you played at, or
like Alabama where you coached, and I said, if you
don't have a point of reference on Cleveland, and I
mean this is the highest, the highest possible accounting of
the city and the fan base and all of it.
This is a big college type feel in the biggest

(42:09):
possible way. And I mean that as a compliment, because
this whole city, the heartbeat of it is Brown's football
all the time, and a Sunday at one o'clock is
the thing you do, much like it would be in
the afternoon on a Saturday in Tuscaloosa South Bend.

Speaker 5 (42:24):
Yeah, it's a really good comparison. There's probably a lot
of similarities there, you know. I think it probably touches
the other sports teams in the city. You know, like
everything's really focused around sports. It's a great dive bar town.
So that's probably what stood out to me from the jump.
But I have a lot of you know, my wife's
got a lot of family here. I have a lot

(42:44):
of friends that are from here. One of my you know,
closest friends, Dan Fox, grew up here when Ignatius played
at Notre Dame. So like, I've known what Cleveland's about
for a long time, and there's a lot of things
there that you know, I'm yes, I think it has
an extra importance.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
What's what do you look for in a proper dive bar?
What are the characteristics?

Speaker 6 (43:04):
Like above average food just that's it.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
I like that, though above it not too good.

Speaker 5 (43:09):
But locals regulars. I mean, if there's carpet, great, If
there's not, we'll be okay.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
I look at a stool. I need a nice school,
nice back, something looks like it's been there about twenty
five years minimum.

Speaker 5 (43:22):
At least minimum, at least something with character, right, Like
you're looking for character?

Speaker 6 (43:27):
Yeah, proper bar.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
I like that. You've had quite the coaching apprenticeship the
last few years, starting at obviously at the Alma Mater
and the folks you coached with there. Then you go
to Alabama and coach for arguably the greatest college coach
of all time under Kevin Here and you mentioned that
was a big reason why you wanted to work here
was with Kevin. But then you had Mike a lot
this year with you and the tight Ends. What have

(43:48):
you been able to pick from all of those brilliant
people that can now become who you are? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (43:55):
I mean you obviously take things, whether you're you're conscious
of it or not. You take things along the way
from each of your stops and then you know, it's
really how it fits into your personal spin and your
personal character and characteristics and your personality. You know, I
would say, like going all the way back, I mean
I remember, like Mike McCoy was our head coach in

(44:18):
San Diego, and I remember the attention to detail that
he had. I was in charge of drawing all the
passes and if you missed a parentheses, if you had
any line that was out of point, like he was gonna,
you know, make sure that it was corrected. And you know,
while I was there being around you know, Nick Sirianni
and Shane Stike, and we're both really young coaches, and
you walk in there thinking like, hey, you know football myself.

(44:38):
And then I got around those guys and I was
blown away with the knowledge and it was like, Okay,
well this is a whole other level that you're striving for,
so like the strive for excellence there.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
You know.

Speaker 5 (44:48):
I talked about Brian Kelly and my press conference. You know,
I was with him nine years as a player and
a coach, and just the way he was able to delegate,
the way he was able to run a program, you know,
how he wanted it done, the attention to detail he
has from the top down was really critical in the
success there. And then you get around Nick Sabman and
you think you know what hard work looks like, and

(45:09):
then you're you're completely exposed to what it truly is.
And there's really no secret on what's made him the
greatest college coach of all time. I mean his work ethic,
his ability to have his finger on everything that's going
on in the program there was truly remarkable.

Speaker 6 (45:24):
And another guy I wanted.

Speaker 5 (45:26):
Just like my first coaching job, I was a gat
Northwestern for bats Fitzgerald and like you talk about building
and I know whatever's out there, but you talk about
a culture where the players loved playing for a guy
like you won't see anything that rivals what fits out
at Northwestern.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
That's incredible.

Speaker 5 (45:40):
A bunch of leaders, man, Yeah, a lot of really good,
Like I said, very fortunate. You know, I look at
all those is whether I was conscious of what I
was grabbing from them or not, Like part of that
rubs off on you, you know. And even Marcus, like
I was there for his transition for year one, you know,
to see where he was in year one, how he
wanted to build then to be able to like follow

(46:01):
the vision play out. It's really cool, Like he was
very specific on what his vision for that program was,
and you saw it play out throughout this season, and
it was pretty cool to be able to be a
part of that then and now see where he's really
gone into exactly what he saw it being.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
You gravitate to really strong, You gravitate to and want
to be around really strong, great leaders who are incredibly organized.
I mean, there's a lot of parallels and all of
the guys you just mentioned there. When you got the
job here in the tight end room, what I said
to folks was what you did with save in at Alabama,
with that offense with Jalen was as impressive a job

(46:39):
as a kid who at the beginning of that season.
I know he deserves a lot of credit for it,
and I heard you mentioned that a ton of it
by all accounts, an incredible kid, but an offense that
was kind of broken at the beginning of that season
to one that got all the way to the College
Football Playoff, won the SEC. He was a borderline Heisman
candidate by the end of it. What did you learn
about yourself and developing the quarterback position that year at Alabama.

Speaker 6 (47:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (47:00):
I mean, let's be honest, our back was up against
the wall, right, and we just kept fighting, We kept swinging.
We had a great staff there at Alabama, so a
lot of credit to those guys, and we just said, hey, here,
we got to figure out what we can do well.
We got to figure out how to maximize Jalen because
he does have talent, and let's just focus in on
those things. And you know, week by week we were

(47:22):
able to add to that a little bit. By the
time we played George and SEC Championship, we felt good
about the full catalog of our offense. But you know,
really it was just finding a way to win games,
finding a way to maximize what we had. And again,
give a lot of credits to Jalen, give a lot
of credit to that staff in terms of us just
kind of bunkering down and saying, hey, our backs up

(47:42):
against the wall.

Speaker 6 (47:43):
All we can do is fight out of it. And
that's what we did.

Speaker 5 (47:45):
And I would say that's about as proud of a
coaching moment as I've been a part of, for that
group of coaches and players to just you know, persevere
through an early, you know, really a.

Speaker 6 (47:55):
Tough start to the season really was.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Yeah, and it I think the thing that I pick
up on there, and I think it's important. And you
think about where we are off A lot of people
are going to say, what are the Cleveland Browns offensively?
And we heard today Kevin is going to go back
to Colin plays and all of that, and we we
certainly had an identity in terms of what the Browns
were offensively. But I think the words valuable, right, you
have to you are, Yeah, you are the Cleveland Browns offense,
but you have to build it to Is that fair

(48:18):
that that's when you put together on offense. It can't
just be this is who we are, it's this is
who we are with our with the players that we have.

Speaker 5 (48:23):
Yeah, I think I use the word malleable in the pressure. Actually,
so they were stay in school for me. Yeah, that's
good that I'm glad it hit. Yeah, but I think, yeah,
you have to be player centric and you have to
be able to maximize what your players do, and you
have to be flexible enough to have enough in your
offensive system that you can really focus on those things
and to sit here and say we're finding guys that

(48:44):
fit exactly this. There's some of that, like, you have
roles that you want to fill out, but you also
as a system need to say, these are the guys
we've got to focus on, and how can we maximize
what they can do. Let's not talk about what they
can't Let's figure out what they can do and then
go and move forward. And that, you know, that's a
huge credit to coach Saban as well. I mean that
was he would always I don't want to hear about
what they cannot do. Let's figure out what they can

(49:05):
and find a way to maximize that.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
With you as the offensive coordinator and Kevin as the
head coach, what characteristics are paramount for you offensively?

Speaker 5 (49:13):
Yeah, I mean I think you know what it looks
like or you know, you want a group that can
play and I know coaches use this term, but you
want a group that can play sound.

Speaker 7 (49:24):
Right.

Speaker 5 (49:24):
You want to line up and you want to look
at the offense and say, Okay, what they're doing schematically
is putting their players in good positions, right, And when
you talk about being sound at the end of the day,
it's that let's not run bad plays into bad looks.

Speaker 6 (49:37):
Let's not.

Speaker 5 (49:39):
Let's not try to do things that are outside of
our expectations. Let's do things that are sound and within that,
let's create space and opportunities to be explosive, both in
the run game and the pass game. You know, I
think you have to be able to hang your hat
on something schematically in the past and in the run
and so building that identity, building that foundation is really
important as you get through these early parts of the

(50:01):
offseason and into OTAs and all those parts that really
add up to building the team to where you want
it to be.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
You will obviously have a heavy hand in what comes
next at the quarterback position. Here, what are non negotiables
for you at that position? What do those that player
have to have?

Speaker 5 (50:19):
Yeah, I mean you, non negotiables is a very cut
and dry word, but I do think I said it earlier,
like your ability to process and make decisions is really
the key to this game. And that comes in a
lot of different shapes and sizes. It comes in a
lot of different skill sets, but at the end of
the day, the guys that play at the highest level
can process and make decisions in a split second, because

(50:41):
that's really what's required. Now, again, you're gonna watch the
playoffs this this weekend and all those quarterbacks have a
different skill set. So when you look at what it
looks like physically great, there's a lot of different ways
to make that work. But what they can all do
is process. They can all make good decisions, and they
got to be able to solve problems on the field.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
Get you out of here on this one. What is
something you've been here a year but obviously much bigger role? Now,
what is something this fan base maybe doesn't know about
you that they should or that you would want them
to know.

Speaker 6 (51:15):
Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 5 (51:17):
Winning in the city of Cleveland is extremely important to
me after being here for one year, you know, and
living this every day for the last year, being a
part of this organization, understanding what it's like to go.

Speaker 6 (51:29):
Into the stadium every Sunday, you feel it everywhere you go.

Speaker 5 (51:33):
Like winning for this organization, winning for the season is
extremely important, and you're going to get a tireless effort
from our offensive staff.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
Well said Buddy. Great, great to have you, Great to
be the new offensive coordinator. The great Tommy Reese in
studio with us here. Second hour of the program coming
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Impressive young dude coveted both collegiately and in the NFL,
and pretty candid answer in terms of why here and

(52:32):
what it would mean. He certainly, you know they always
do that thing around here, like he gets us obviously,
that's it in droves. And when he starts talking about
dive bars, then that makes me happy right away because
I mean that's, you know, how exciting. Where was that
place we were at? We were at the Browns Backers,
Brown's Barker's Club where you they thought you were actually
liked Fittsburgh. You're not on.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
How about now you're on South Euclid, South Euclid, Yes,
And I'm like, that's a proper bar.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
Tommy'd love that joint with the mini with with the basement.
Yeah yeah, come on, yeah, that place is solid. Yeah,
that's it. I think anytime. Proper bar for me is
I like when the bar has a little bit of
padding that I can lean on, and I like a
nice seatback in the stool, and I like a vinyl
that's been sad in a lot, like a comfy bar

(53:20):
stool with a little bit with in a vinyl setting
with a little bit of bounce to it. And then
if there's a padded thing that I can lean on,
probably a vinyl now we're in. And also any taxidermy,
a big little stuff on the wall, anything stuffed on
the wall. You put a pheasant up there, fine, now
that could be the Montana in me, but like, yeah,

(53:41):
that was a that was a lock. Like you had
to have taxidermy somewhere on the wall in order to.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
He said, And I was like I was transported to
two or three that I know off the top of
my head that I'm like, yeah, yeah, Like at the
end of the night, like you step and like liquid
comes out and you're under underneath your feet, You're like, yeah,
I don't even want to know what's underneath carpet.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
No very good, but look, and I hope you there
was stuff to pick up on that in terms of
what they're looking for at quarterback and him being part
of that decision making with obviously Kevin and a B
at the top of those decision making, but the traits
that they're looking for at quarterback, and the number one
thing he said he I think he said this in
his press conference as well, was is decision making right.

(54:26):
That's it. They process, see it, rip it, go, trust it,
see it, rip it, go, rinse and repeat. And I
also think the other thing that's important because there's gonna
be so many conversations. We'll talk with Kevin about this
at the combine when he joins us there. But so
much of when you think about putting together an offense,
there are things that are fundamental and then there are

(54:48):
adjustments to the fundamental. I was unaware I use the
word malleable. Did he use it in his press conference?
He said he did. I'd take him in his word.
I didn't. I was busy this morning, so I didn't
hear it. I didn't hear his press conference live. But
it's funny that he used it.

Speaker 3 (55:01):
I don't recall that. I mean the media got in
forty questions this morning. It was a lot. It was
a lot to process. Yeah, and he navigated everything. But
he was a quarterback at Notre Dame. Your quarterback at
Notre Dame.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
You can handle anything, Yeah, like just in life, like
the amount of pressure that comes with that job. You
can handle your business.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:23):
Hey, No, And he's had he's had some great people
to learn from. I think that, you know, he can
lend his expertise to some of the play calling stuff
that he brings to the table and just game planning.
I mean he he comes in and he I would say,
is unassuming a good word?

Speaker 2 (55:44):
Yeah, I don't think if you saw it. For example,
I think he could go to a dive bar and
have anonymity. Yes, and that's something when you're the quarterback
at Notre Dame. But I think he can do that. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:58):
But he knows his stuff, and you know, oh, just
from talking to him, he's very quick. He understands what
the task is. His dad was here in an NFL canpacity.
He was a ball boy here in this building back
in the day. Yeah, you know, I mean that's the
guy knows the guy knows football. Yes, he's grown up

(56:19):
around it. He knows how much it means to this area.
And I know sometimes that can be a crutch for
a lot of first time coaches or new coaches to
this area. But he does know about the history. He
can tell you the history. As much as you think
you know it, he knows it just as well. And
I can appreciate that. And him having been here this

(56:42):
year and seeing how the AFC North works and what's
going to go into making this team the best that
they possibly can. You know, it was interesting. He's like,
we need a quarterback to play perfect. He said this
this morning. Yeah, quarterbacks got to be the best they
can be. They got to be infinite. They can't make mistakes,
but you have to do a job of babying them

(57:05):
a little bit. You almost have. You have to baby
them and build up their confidence.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
That's why I am he's the perfect guy for where
I think we are at quarterback, which is two young guys. Yeah,
he's perfect for that. And I don't know if I
said this in the interview, if I've said it off air,
I think maybe I did. But his handling with Jalen
that year, Yeah, he gave the great answer about the
adversity and how proud he was to have that year

(57:31):
what he did with Jalen. I mean, I had this up.
This is Jalen Milroe. You and I were talking during
the break about some of his numbers. We were so like,
just to give you an idea. Jalen Milroe his one
year with Tommy, which was his red shirt sophomore year,
Jalen Milroe was sixty six percent completions, twenty eight thirty
four ten yards in attempt, twenty three touchdowns, six picks.

(57:52):
He also ran for five thirty one and twelve touchdowns. Okay,
this this year with Kaylen Debor and he's no slouch,
but he also had Ryan Williams, who's Jeremi Smith's the
best freshman receiver. Ryan Williams is right below like he
is a stud. So they had him. Milroe went from
sixty six percent to sixty four percent completions. He threw
for about the same amount of yards despite having really

(58:15):
forty more attempts. His average yards were down eight to
eight point nine from ten. This is the big one though.
He was sixteen touchdowns eleven picks last year at Alabama,
and so when again, this goes back and this is it.
He was a tremendous college player, awesome college player, ran
for twenty touchdowns in seven or twenty six yards. But
in terms of like what they're looking for here, sixteen touchdowns,

(58:38):
eleven picks. That ain't it in today's college Ye, that
ain't it. That ain't it. The fit here would much
more be someone like Will Howard than it would be
someone like in terms of a mid round guy at
the top of the draft. This what it feels like
they're looking for is shudure, seventy four percent, completion, accurate, decisive,
all the decisive, all those things based on what we

(59:00):
heard today. So that's not scores, that's just this is
the type of player that would fit what they're looking
for more Schudur than certainly cam Ward or Milroe or
any of those, or Quinn yours for that matter. And
then in the mid round, that's Dylan Gabriel, that's Will Howard,
that's those type of guys in that world, Jackson Dart,
those type of guys could be kind of fits in
that world. So I thought it was great. I mean,

(59:21):
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see him at a dive bar, buy him beer. If
you can recognize him, we'll go and take a look
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Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
Yeah, how about wow?

Speaker 7 (01:00:27):
Yep, Yeah, there's hope Cleveland. It happened. Although I will
say this, like you go from the number two pick,
it's c J. Stroud, then it's Jane Daniels, and then
it's this year.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
You know, the thing about that's different, you know, the
one thing I said about that though, John, And I'm
glad it's interesting you brought this up. We can go
here real quick. Last year at the Combine and I
can't remember if we talked to you the Combine or not.
Obviously we love having you on every time we can,
but I remember there being when we would have like
analysts on they would say Caleb Williams big gap and
then Dan or May, like that was kind of the

(01:01:02):
consensus on it last year when we talked to folks.
So the only thing and there was a big gap
between Bryce and CJ the year before.

Speaker 7 (01:01:11):
I would say this though, like the people that I
talked to that that gap wasn't that big, and you know,
you know other coaches were like they didn't feel like
it was. You know, when I would ask him Daniels
or May, it was like it was clear it was
Jade all the way. And there were some people who
definitely felt like he was the best quarterback in the draft.
And there were people that you know I was told

(01:01:33):
was Chicago who felt they should have taken him. So
I think it was a lot it was not as
clear cut. Yeah, internally in the NFL world that as
it was. But having said that, there's a difference between
this that quarterback class and this one.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
Yeah, unfortunately for us, fortunately for.

Speaker 7 (01:01:52):
You that's right, But but it is. But I will say,
but I'm never just like you have like but to
get to go from where they were, to get to
hear it wasn't just the quarterback. It was also like
you know, it was Dan Quinn coming in, you know,
new new energy, and then I think that was a
big thing. I think fit in free agency was a

(01:02:13):
big thing. They got a lot of really you know,
good fits for their system, for their for the culture
they want to build. I think it was also here's
a novel concept, owner GM and coach being on the
same page like that was a that's a major thing
as well, and I think it helps nobody saw this coming.
Anybody who did would be the most optimistic fan or delusional.

(01:02:36):
But it's but you add that, then you add a
rookie quarterback who was tremendous, and that's how you get here.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
When did you know he was different?

Speaker 7 (01:02:44):
Daniels in the spring and you know, because I've covered
you know so, I but you didn't know how good
you would be? But you knew he was different. And
the reason why I say that it wasn't you know,
you watch him in practice and he looked really good.
I've seen really good rookies before, but it was really
what you heard leading into the draft and then also

(01:03:06):
after the draft when you talk to people close to him,
and you when you hear the people in the building
talking about him about all the extra work he does.
I mean, he was showing up in the spring at
like five thirty am for extra work and you know,
go and he does that during the season. He'll get,
he'll come in aro out five thirty, He'll get, he'll
go watch film, he goes in the practice bubble, does

(01:03:29):
walkthroughs with a couple of coaches. You know, it's that
kind of stuff. It's the embracing of the process. Is
why you started saying, like, this kid is different. And
you know I covered RG three here. He is light
years ahead of where he was as a rookie, and
Robert had a really good year, but it was but
he did not embrace that kind of process that Daniels does,

(01:03:53):
and so you know, I hadn't seen anybody do it
like that. So that's what that's when you knew he
had a chance because like, you knew the talent and
if you like, this is what he is, but this
is a talent, you know, this is what he's going
to continue to do, then he's going to be really
good at some point. And before the season, you know,
Zak Gertz told me, he's like, I'm not telling you
he's going to be good down the road. I'm telling

(01:04:14):
you he's good right now. He hasn't started yet.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
Man, that's incredible. How how critical And it was one
of those hires that I didn't give much, we didn't
give much thought to in the moment, but perhaps should have.
And that is Cliff Kingsbury and the way that worked,
because that is something that when that hire was made,
it was It wasn't anything where I was like, oh that, okay,
there you go, but it's been that How critical was

(01:04:39):
that higher in terms of someone seeing the game apparently
very similar to the way Jayden does.

Speaker 7 (01:04:45):
Very And I think so I would I would compare
this like, so let's say the let's say the Browns
want to draft a quarterback. It's it's really to me,
it's about the infrastructure you build around him. And I
think the Bears did a disservice to Caleb Williams, probably
to Justin Field as well, by the infrastructure they didn't
build around him. The Bears went with a you know,
rookie basically a rookie play caller as well, with a

(01:05:06):
defensive mind head coach like you know, even though and
they didn't have an offensive line. It's like it was
just a poorly put together plan here. I think Kingsbury,
he's he had worked with Patrick Mahomes Baker, you know Manziel,
but in college he was a good Manziel, right, and
then you know Caleb, he works with him and you're
just Kyler Murray. So he had experience with working with

(01:05:30):
young quarterbacks and you know who could run as well.
So I think that helped. Then it was like getting
guys like Marcus Mariota in the building as a backup
who you know was who was has been a really
good uh mentor for him. So I think like things
like that. And the quarterback coach is David Ball who's
played in the NFL, but you know he's he's now

(01:05:51):
an assistant quarterbacks coach here. I think all that stuff
has helped him and helped Daniels but Kingsbury understood, understood
to put an offense together for him what he needed
to do. I think the other thing is like he
trusts Daniels completely. If you remember in the Browns game,
there was a play before halftime where he connects with
Deanny Brown for like a forty one yard score. The

(01:06:14):
reason why they called that play because Jay and Daniels
had run out of bounds in the previous play. As
he's running past Kingsbury, he told him to call that play.
Kingsbury didn't flinch and calls the play and then Boom
touched down to Deanny Brown. But if there's a level
of trust that he has in him, because like Daniels
is sending constantly sending him plays that he sees on YouTube,

(01:06:36):
he sees somewhere else, you know, because like this is
all he cares about. So I think, and then I
would say from Kingsbury's end, Kingsbury, Jayden gets here early.
Kingsbury gets here like three thirty or four at the latest,
at four o'clock. So like you have two guys like
that who have a similar mindset and approach. I think
you see what you're seeing on the field.

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
Well, it's all worked it's all working big yeah to say,
and John, we've had you on before and whether we're
going around the league or talking about previewing our matchups
with the Washington team, whatever it is. I'm old enough
to remember when they played at RFK and you could
not get tickets and it was an absolute bedrock foundation
organization in this sport. And then the Dan Snider ownership

(01:07:18):
takes place and they are relegated, like they're just like
almost kicked off the island for two decades or better?
What has this been like with this ownership? I saw
Harris and Magic Johnson. It's not about us, get it's
not about how what does this mean for this fan base?
I asked, thinking I probably know the answer, but my god,
it's football purgatory for two and a half decades and purgatory.

Speaker 7 (01:07:41):
But also i'm it's a purgatory, but it's also what
they endured during that, especially the last five years where
it was so it's investigations by the NFL by Congress.
You have an owner that you not just that you
just despise because he's just a bad owner. It's because

(01:08:01):
he's he was a bad guy, and so like you
have that and then they changed the name, and and
you know, and then they're losing and and and there
there's zero excitement with it. Like I would have people
tell me, like, man, I like reading your work, I
like listen to you, but I'm out, and like, I
don't blame you because they didn't give you a reason
to stick around. And everything turned into an embarrassment, you know,

(01:08:24):
water pipes breaking at the stadium. You know, this year,
there was one time this year in the game a
cable broke and fell onto a group of fans. Did
you hear about it? Nobody heard about it because on
the next play they had to pick six. And it's like,
that's how different it was, right, so like, and nobody
heard about it. In the past, that would have been

(01:08:44):
a you know, a bunch of tweets and a bunch
of pictures and all that. So but I just think
it's it's I just think it's the thing. The only
thing I can liken it to is when Josh Harris
brought the team in July twenty twenty three, the fan
they started to waken again, and it was almost like
coming out of a Homer And it reminded me of
the scene and Wizard of Oz when they dumped the

(01:09:05):
water on the width of Witch of the West, and
it's like, you know, you know what I mean, Like,
that's that's the effect it had. And I you know,
you know, I mean, I grew up in a crazy
football town, obviously, growing up in Lakewood, and I know
what that's like. And you know it's that fan base
in Cleveland has not deserted that team. There was a

(01:09:26):
lot of apathy here. There was an erosion of the
fan base here because of all the other stuff. And
it's just been it's a remarkable turnaround, you know. I mean,
it's just I will say this, from here on out,
the expectations get higher.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
Well, yeah, it ain't that fun. That's the privilege of expectations.
Right now, all of a sudden you got a franchise quarterback,
and now, all of a sudden, you find yourselves in
the NFC Championship game, John, Why is this team so disrespected?
From a line standpoint? It was I think nine and
a half or nine last week in Detroit at six
in Philly. I watched these two teams play a month ago.
I know how hot this Washington team is. Six seems

(01:10:05):
like too much to me. What am I missing.

Speaker 7 (01:10:08):
So I think you look at the rosters and I
think people still look a lot at like, well, who's
on that team, And when you kind of look at
it on paper, it's not quite as impressive as what
you see when you watch the games. And you know,
defensively they have issues. They have a hard time stop
in the run, and the Egles obviously run the ball
very well, so not necessarily the greatest matchup for them

(01:10:28):
in that regard. But I think it's more about like
do you believe in this roster? You know, do you
how much do you think Jayden Daniels can elevate a roster? Well,
the answer is quite a bit. And you know, I
think one thing the defense did well last week against
Detroit was just the turnovers they forced, and they forced them,
you know, and I think they didn't stop the lines necessarily,

(01:10:50):
but they didn't care. They want to force turnovers and
they did that. And then you have a quarterback who
they could not stop, so you know, kind of watch Yeah,
I mean, it's just it's that's a lot of what
is and you know, do you believe can one guy?
You know, I think part of the outside world it's
like can one guy really beat you. And when I

(01:11:10):
was in Detroit last week, I think there was a
lot of confidence that, well, it's a coronation for the Lions.
And then when you're going like I go on Philly
radio and it's like, you know, how dare Washington think
they can win this game? It's just it's like at
this point, I'm like, I'm done. I'm done putting a
feeling on what this group you can do. And I
would say too, like you asked about Dange when you

(01:11:32):
thought it special. I remember in the spring and summer.
I've been around enough teams to know like when there's
a different bond among the team and a different energy
in the building, and they had it. And I even
told an assistant coach after they beat the Lions, I'm like, yeah,
And in the spring and summer, like you could feel
how different it was. You could feel how close this
team was. And I remember thinking at the time, like, oh,

(01:11:53):
it's a shame they don't have more good players, because
this is like these are the kind of teams that
do special things. But you just didn't think but they're
not at to that point yet with the roster. Well
it turns out maybe they were so I think like
there's there's some of that, like the tough mindedness, the resolve,
the belief, all the things that And it sounds cliche
like can't measure heart all that stuff, but that's the

(01:12:15):
stuff they also have, Like there is a strong belief.
And then you know, the NFL, like it's not like
it's not like there's this big gap like say between
Ohio State and Notre Dame, you know, like you know
what I mean, I'm just kidding there, but like in
terms of college balls, there's a big gap in talent,
there's not a u gap in the NFL. And sometimes
like that resolve, that confidence, that belief plus plus plus

(01:12:38):
the quarterback can really take you over the top. But
it's a it's gonna be a very tough one because
that run game is just scary. But you know, but yeah,
they they absolutely have a chance.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
And and you know, yeah, John, if they win, if
they win Sunday, what does the game flow have to
be stylistically, what does it need.

Speaker 7 (01:12:58):
To look like they can't give up explosive runs to Barkley.
And that's that's the big thing, because like in the
second game, they scored thirty six and did it despite
turning it over five times, which is incredible, But you
can't live like that against this defense. That's too good
a defense to expect that you can just go move
it like that again, So you can't. In the first game,

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they kept it close into the middle of the first
fourth quarter, they went for it on a fourth down,
didn't get it, take the field goal, didn't They're down
twelve to ten, and then Barkley rips off two long
touchdown runs and that's really kind of put the game away.
You can't like, they did a good job against him,
but cannot let him have that, And it's that's to me,

(01:13:42):
he's the big key. And then offensively, you you know,
I think it's about possessing the ball because the Fangio's
defenses don't give up the explosives. But if you can
do that, and the question there is they're going to
have to block Jalen Carter, their right guard is out
with the torn a cl Who's going to block him?
And can and can well can he's a game wrecker?
Can they control him enough to get off what to

(01:14:06):
do what they need to do offensively? And you know
that the Eagles did a really good job against their
offense the first game, Washington moved it well the second game,
so we'll see.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
Is it ripping seven ninth ninety one? Is that ripping?

Speaker 7 (01:14:19):
Yes? Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
So that was against Buffalo, right.

Speaker 7 (01:14:23):
Yep, yeah yeah, and wow, like that was and that
like but you know the funny like that team people saw,
people could see it coming right there. There was there
was I mean that that team was. The franchise was
great during that time. I mean three three super Bowls
in ten years and they were I think ten and
six year be four lost in the playoffs, but that
was a really good team. And then you know, going

(01:14:45):
into the year, I think there were high expectations and
then they probably exceeded them by how well they played. Obviously,
this year coming off of four four and thirteen, no
winning season since twenty sixteen, no playoff wins since five,
I've no eleven wins seasons since ninety one, Like, it
was wholly unexpected. And you know, I mean, again as

(01:15:07):
an Ohio State fan, you that last month was incredible.
I just feel like this is the This is similar
for Washington fans, where like the last the last month
of the year, they've won five games either on the
last play from scrimmage or the last play of the game,
and then the one game they didn't need to do
that was in Detroit. So I it's just been this

(01:15:29):
magical ride. And you know, I think for this franchise,
the fan base, it's not just the ride this year.
I think it's like they know that this is really
just starting. Because Daniels is a rookie and like you
hear the phrase playing with house money, I think like
they know that they're not at the point yet where
they're going to be in a couple of years that

(01:15:49):
I think that's where for the people in the building,
that's where the excitement is.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
You think they win it Sunday, John, What do you think.

Speaker 7 (01:15:59):
I'm not betting against I'll say that because I thought
they would. I thought Detroit would beat them. But in
a high scoring game, you know, I mean, logically, the
Eagles are the better team on paper, that's obvious. But
I think the Hurts injury is key, and if he's
not healthy, I think they win. And I just like
Jaydon Daniels. It's like it's like when Lebron took the

(01:16:19):
Cavs to the titles in seven, that team had no
business being there when you strip away one guy. But
that one guy was pretty special, and I think that's
what you got going here.

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
He's a great John Kyme check out his podcast. It's
a must listen to John Kyme report. Ross Tucker is
the guest on this most recent edition of course, covers
ESPN and NFL Nation. John, Thank you so much, Go Bucks,
absolutely and good talking to you here here.

Speaker 7 (01:16:46):
Thanks Ben, thanks for having me on as always.

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NMLS three zero two nine. Hello, Gibbet, Hi, how are you?

Speaker 7 (01:18:04):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:18:04):
I'm real well quite the show. Good job today?

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
Oh yeah, and out of you, sir?

Speaker 7 (01:18:08):
Nice?

Speaker 3 (01:18:09):
Yeah, all right, we're rolling through it, cruising along man.
So you could tweet your questions too at Brown's Underscore
Daily Today's mail Bag, and we start now. Trey Carrey asked,
where can I find the Snoop Dogg interview?

Speaker 2 (01:18:24):
That's a great question. I don't know if that would
be archived. It would be archived on the podcast. Yes,
so that would have been from Baker's rookie year, second
half of eighteen. It was nice out, so I would
suggest it was probably October, Yes, something like that.

Speaker 3 (01:18:45):
Snoop was actually playing a gig, I think a playhouse square, okay,
and then he was going on to like Pittsburgh or
he was coming from yeah, and stopped in to give
Jarvis Landry something thing.

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
Yeah, yes, he liked Jarvis, big Jarvis guy. And then
he had. I remember him talking about being a big
fan of Bake. Yeah, it was eighteen or nineteen. It
was Bake's rookie year. It was I know for yeah,
it was the first year because that first year he
came on and then Stone Cold came on like a
month later, like they were both because stone Cold. Actually

(01:19:22):
nineteen was stone Cold ye because that was baked second year,
because Baked did it with stone Cold.

Speaker 3 (01:19:26):
Yeah, because they were driving the crazy cars in the
parking lot. Yeah, across the street. Yeah, I know.

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
It would have been eighteen with Snoop.

Speaker 3 (01:19:32):
Okay, yeah, mister Dog would have been eighteen. And I
guarantee it's podcasted. Yeah, it's I don't know where the
video would be for that because I don't know if
the YouTube channel was created at that point.

Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
I've never seen video of it. So if it was video,
remember in those days that the production crew would have
to bring the crew if they wanted to record something,
they would have to set up and real quick. And
it was Sarah at the time was like, Hey, I
think Snoop Dogg gonna come on, and we're like, wait
what I called him? Mister Dog?

Speaker 3 (01:20:03):
Yes, the whole interview, Yeah, mister dog, what are you
gonna say?

Speaker 2 (01:20:07):
I mean, was insane. It was the coolest interaction of
my life. Yes, I've been around a lot of it
was the nicest guy. I just remember, and Z would
attest to this. His hands were so soft, like absurdly soft.
I just remember that, and he was great. So it's
a humor awesome. It was really, really fun, really cool.

Speaker 3 (01:20:29):
I enjoy this interaction every Thursday from preston the fact
and the question of that fact. Cleopatra was closer in
time to the invention of the iPhone than she was
to the construction of the pyramids. What is that really true?

Speaker 2 (01:20:47):
He put it on Twitter. I mean, ex whatever is
that doesn't seem possible.

Speaker 3 (01:20:55):
I don't have an answer for this. I when he's
saying it's a fact, and he's usually been spot on
about that night.

Speaker 2 (01:21:05):
So she's gone August twelve, thirty one BC a long
long time ago. It's funny. The next thing that pops
up after you type in clear patches when with the
pyramids built, Oh my god, the Egyptian Pyramids were built
between twenty seven hundred and fifteen hundred BCE, so maybe

(01:21:27):
there's a chance no, yeah, yeah, twenty seven hundred. She's
gone around thirty one. We're twenty twenty four.

Speaker 3 (01:21:36):
Yeah, God, that's correct.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
That's a long dynasty, brother, that's correct. To go from
pyramids all the way through all that's a long run.

Speaker 3 (01:21:47):
His question of the day, you get to craft a
perfect breakfast? What does it look like?

Speaker 2 (01:21:55):
I love waves rancheros. I love that. I love a
good breakfast sandwich. I love a breakfast sandwich, like a
croissant sandwich, breakfast sandwich with bacon, egg and cheese, that
type of thing that.

Speaker 3 (01:22:07):
I'm Maybe my favorite breakfast sandwich is Cockies.

Speaker 2 (01:22:11):
I don't know what.

Speaker 3 (01:22:12):
They're in North Homestead and they have a location downtown
in the flats, the North Homestead eighty. You know, she
got me onto it. Yeah. I love their breakfast sandwich.
It's perfect, and I have like this cocky sauce ridiculous. Yeah,
it's stupid good.

Speaker 2 (01:22:29):
I only eat breakfast on the weekends, but when I do,
that's usually what I pull. See.

Speaker 3 (01:22:35):
I love breakfast.

Speaker 2 (01:22:36):
Yeah that's I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:22:39):
I love a good I love a good biscuits and
gravy addicted with a couple over easy eggs on top
that I can just mix it all together.

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
I mean, waffle House is perfect. If we're going to
go there, I mean, that's perfect.

Speaker 3 (01:22:53):
Jordan's bowing down.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
Come on, man, smothered, covered, capped, the whole bit. Throw
some eggs on it. Who loses? No one that's wins.
No one wins. My kids couldn't believe it when I
took him there. We took them there, in that Indiana.
I finally got to eat with them. We went to
Indiana the summer and we finally went to waffle House.
Both of them. They couldn't even wrap their heads around
how great it was.

Speaker 3 (01:23:13):
Amazing, so good. It's even better at two o'clock.

Speaker 6 (01:23:15):
It's good.

Speaker 2 (01:23:16):
Always just wins exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:23:20):
Love a dog today. Would you want the ability to
fly if you have, if you had to have physical wings? No, no, no.

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
I'm not walking around with wings. Man, it's not doing that.

Speaker 3 (01:23:31):
No, be cool to fly, But like, yeah, I don't.
I don't need that the rest of the life.

Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
Can you imagine, like me coaching youth basketball with wings
coming out of my back.

Speaker 3 (01:23:39):
I don't think. I don't think that it's gonna work.
I don't think people are taking you seriously.

Speaker 2 (01:23:42):
No, I don't. Well, I guess I could just flap
at them. They take me seriously pretty quick. Yeah, but
you hate birds, I do, I do. I'm intrigued by
them though.

Speaker 3 (01:23:52):
By the way, my wife's stepdaughter Okay, she got her
license or is getting her license on being a falcon ear.
I probably shouldn't drop that in the middle of the segment.
Maybe we'll talk about that tomorrow now.

Speaker 2 (01:24:11):
But listen, I got I've been to there just last year.
We are a joint where one of these beach joints,
tropical joints. We're in order to keep the birds away,
they bring a falcon around. Yeah, the guy walking around
with a falcon while you're having your eggs Benedict, No thanks, yeah, no, thanks,
Ali and Nick shout out. I hope you all will.

Speaker 3 (01:24:32):
Uh Bobby time, Bobby. Do you think you'd get along
with a clone of yourself?

Speaker 2 (01:24:43):
I would think, I mean, I'm cloned. Why, I feel
like we'd see things a lot the same.

Speaker 3 (01:24:49):
That'd be great.

Speaker 2 (01:24:50):
Actually, yeah, I'm downe that'd be fine.

Speaker 3 (01:24:53):
I lose that battle at home. Yeah, did you really
waste time if you enjoyed yourself while doing it?

Speaker 2 (01:25:04):
No, one of my favorite hobbies is wasting. Like in
the old days when I had time to waste. I
had time, yeah, and loved it. Loved it. Nothing like
before Kid's wife all of that. Like there would be
time where I would like on a Saturday, like I'll
play a whole Dynasty season on college football. I'll go
through the entire EPL season on FIFA. Let's do it, baby,

(01:25:26):
my god, lock in, let's have some fun. No. I
used to love doing that. Yes, I did crazy things
on video games. I remember I did one year on
one of the NBA live games. I played every game
the Lakers played all eighty two. Did it? I did
the Dodgers all one sixty two.

Speaker 3 (01:25:42):
I couldn't do that.

Speaker 2 (01:25:43):
I did it. Yeah, I did it. Yeah, used to
have time. Use no time.

Speaker 3 (01:25:48):
No, Now there's no time. When the young kids in
our department come over here and they all talk gaming,
like Jordan and Gabe and like Tequila Fila comes in
and some of the other guys, I'm like, like, don't
you don't have a video I go, I do. I
have a PS two from back in the day. I
have an old school Nintendo.

Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:26:07):
Once you start with kids, the time is not really available.

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:26:12):
And then I had girls and they were like, eh,
I'll play Tetris's so that I'm not buying a video
game system for Tetris.

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
Super Mario is pretty great with all kids.

Speaker 3 (01:26:21):
Well, that wins for everybody. Mario Carrio card is a
big winner. Let's see if you how many geese would
it take to defeat a lion in combat, Bobby Today's
random question. I can.

Speaker 2 (01:26:34):
I just don't know how, Bobby, that the geese would
inflict pain on the lion. They don't really as much
as I fear them, there's really nothing to fear. I
don't know if they pecked enough, if they could even
I suppose eventually, I mean I might take like five
hundred of them. I would think, I would think just

(01:26:55):
relentlessly trying to peck. But like he's gonna smack the
heck out.

Speaker 3 (01:26:59):
Of a lot of them. Yeah, he's going to eliminate
I know that quite a few of them before he
goes down.

Speaker 2 (01:27:05):
I don't think geese have it. I don't know that
there's a sharp enough beak on the geese. And the
web feet is a non starter. No claws, no talons.

Speaker 3 (01:27:13):
We were talking about breakfast sandwiches. This is regular sandwich.
Why is sandwich meat usually round? Even though the bread
is usually square. Great question for a fantastic, fantastic question.

Speaker 2 (01:27:24):
I feel the same way about how hot dogs usually
come in a bock in a pack of eight, and
buns come in a pack of six or ten. I
assume it's all just conspiracy to make you buy more
of both until you I don't know. That drives me nuts, Yes,
I when I do the lunch meat, I always get
it shaved. I like the more, the more surface area

(01:27:46):
the possible.

Speaker 3 (01:27:46):
Like a slicer, and then my buddy has a slice.

Speaker 2 (01:27:49):
They're fun. And then you get that all sliced up, shaved,
and then I just stack it like on a pile
to avoid what you're discussing with the round thing. I
like that, Amen, bo amen, slice it up then, baby?
You know that, keV Yeah, oh yeah, that's all my
haami is all the time, gotta be sliced shaved it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:07):
You win the lottery, but you find out you're gonna
die tomorrow? So do you take the lump sung? So
you take the lump sum? How do you distribute the money?

Speaker 2 (01:28:16):
How do I get I'm dying the next day? Yeah?
I got him. I'm gonna do whatever I can to
You have the time of your life for twelve hours,
and then I'm gonna give it to the kids, right
and say, enjoy yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:28:25):
Boys, remember me, well, Boots, get your act. Ye, you're
getting none of it. Your mom's gonna have it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:33):
But she's gonna be the gatekeeper, so he's gonna end
up with all of it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:37):
If you had to listen to one song for the
rest of the day.

Speaker 2 (01:28:39):
What would it be?

Speaker 3 (01:28:41):
Dave Matthews ants marching It's funny.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
That was the one I was gonna say too. Yeah, yeah, anytime,
Like when I got my car there at the time,
it was like novel concept that you could just say
a song and so that's the one I said, was
that one? And then they played it, Yeah, that's mine
and then and live It's awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:28:57):
Yeah, so great, so great.

Speaker 2 (01:28:59):
I think come here this summer. They usually go to
blossom like every year every other year.

Speaker 3 (01:29:04):
Yeah, I haven't heard anything this year yet.

Speaker 2 (01:29:06):
I'll tell you if you ever get a chance, if
you ever see him with Tim Reynolds, which is what
I saw a couple of years ago, because I've seen
him a bunch. But like with Tim Reynolds, they just
play the hits. I think a lot of them. Yep,
so it's it was great. We had seen him and
Tim acoustically, yeah, which was crazy. Yeah, yeah, very good.

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Speaker 2 (01:29:47):
All Right. So yesterday we had Jared Lugan bil great,
great loyal listener, great dude, good, good human h it
tweeted out, tweeted us with something on j okay and
it wasn't and he was felt bad. And we ended
up getting Sean Crawford of ball fromern Irish teammate. That
wasn't a big deal, but it was one of those
things where we were like, oh, just mistaken moment in time. Well, Jared,

(01:30:10):
you've totally redeemed yourself. He found the Snoop interview on YouTube.
I just tweeted it out if you'd like to watch it.
It's surreal to watch, but sure enough it is the video.
It is from us six years ago. Six years ago
is when this.

Speaker 3 (01:30:27):
Is from so would that have been nineteen?

Speaker 2 (01:30:31):
I think it was eighteen. I don't see a date
on all right, I'll post on the Yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's great. It's the old desk.

Speaker 3 (01:30:41):
Yeah, literally setting up a mic as we're going because
we had no idea again.

Speaker 2 (01:30:45):
Almo, no, that tiny little camera that's there. Yeah, oh
my gosh. Well anyway, so there. It is a great
job out of Jared on that. That's very very good,
well done. The next level is coming up next. Thank
Tommy Reese for stopping by, John Kyme as well, Gibbe,
great senior as always, pleasure. We'll do it again tomorrow.
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