Position Breakdown: QB - Cleveland Browns Daily - 6.30.25

On the final Monday in June, Beau returns and the guys break down the Browns QB room (33:25) and select the best Browns QBs for our quarter-century team (1:11:16).

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Speaker 1 (00:14):
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Speaker 2 (00:41):
Alright, litsen Alive on a Monday edition of Cleveland Browns Daily.
I am merely Bo. He is the great ze Ghibe
is there. This is the first time since when full band.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
I don't think you're on since we've been, but I'm
pretty sure because a golf outing.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
You're right, it was the golf outing. I think you're
exactly right. I think it was the golf outing.

Speaker 4 (01:05):
Was the last one, because then you were off.

Speaker 5 (01:08):
That was a Memorial on a Monday, right Monday, the
second Monday, June second, and then I think you were off.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
I think you were off Tuesday Wednesday, and then I
was Memorial Thursday Friday.

Speaker 5 (01:22):
I wonder what I was off Tuesday Wednesday for sounds great.

Speaker 4 (01:26):
Oh, I went down.

Speaker 5 (01:26):
I think you I think you had.

Speaker 4 (01:27):
Yeah, you had to go down.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
To week before. That was the week before he was
down in Columbus Wednesday. You were down Thursday and Friday,
I was in Italy. I came back. Uh, that Monday,
we had the golf outing. Zagura needed time to prepare
for the birthday on Friday.

Speaker 4 (01:44):
I just took Friday off.

Speaker 5 (01:45):
But I thought you did.

Speaker 4 (01:46):
There was Friday little. It was just that Friday.

Speaker 6 (01:50):
Yeah, so maybe it was that week, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, somewhere.

Speaker 5 (01:54):
I feel like it was. I thought it was the
golf outing. That could be wrong.

Speaker 6 (01:58):
No, golf outder is the first time we were together
for a long time.

Speaker 5 (02:01):
Because he had been gone. Oh that's right.

Speaker 4 (02:04):
So it felt like a big day.

Speaker 5 (02:05):
Yeah, well, we're all here. We're all here. How's it going.
Three weeks dude? Three weeks old today? Walking? Is he walking?

Speaker 3 (02:13):
No?

Speaker 5 (02:13):
He is not.

Speaker 6 (02:14):
He is eating like a champion. As they say, it
takes a village. I mean between me and Miss Kay
and the Great Nana. Nana's I said, we're going to
build a statue in her honor at the end of this.

Speaker 5 (02:28):
She is tremendous, capable of and willing and capable of.
She's amazing.

Speaker 6 (02:33):
Yeah, the Great Nana. Yeah, you're one of the few
who have been in the come to the abode. You've
met young Luca, had a great hangout.

Speaker 5 (02:41):
Yeah, it was great.

Speaker 6 (02:42):
Ready, I can see you right for your trips and.

Speaker 5 (02:46):
Legendary. They were both great already was locked in.

Speaker 4 (02:50):
So into it, both of them so into it. Yeah, it'some.

Speaker 5 (02:54):
Yeah. So it's been Uh, it's been wild.

Speaker 6 (02:56):
I mean, like I think that what I've noticed is
being fifteen years removed from the last time I had
a newborn.

Speaker 4 (03:05):
You block a lot of.

Speaker 6 (03:06):
This stuff out because yeah, you do, otherwise you're like,
I'm not, there's no way.

Speaker 4 (03:12):
I think it's part of like human nature. You lock
it out.

Speaker 6 (03:14):
Like a lot of women say they go through childbirth
and they like block out what the experience is like
because that might make them, you know, hesitant to do
it again per se. Yeah, but he's been as good
as can be. That's what's so funny. Like I think
he's been I would give him an a plus plus.
It's still just hard. It's just the reality of the
u of the situation. But he's been awesome. And last
night at Great Night, nan as I said, has been

(03:35):
incredibly helpful.

Speaker 5 (03:36):
She's helping.

Speaker 6 (03:37):
She's up anyway. I mean she wakes up at four
in the morning every day, which is that's just her, Like.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
How did I not know this until now? Like, that's
my normal body is to get up at four or
five in the morning. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that early once
you go to bed like eight. Oh, so that's she
didn't she do that.

Speaker 6 (03:53):
She did graveyard ship for a long time. But she
she's up early, her natural rhyth. I mean by the
time most people are like dusting the cobwebs off. I
think she's meditated. She swam and she's gone to church
and maybe running errand.

Speaker 5 (04:08):
And you're like, but it's only nine o'clock, what do
you mean getting lot?

Speaker 6 (04:12):
So she's so she has the last few days and
this is the greatest offer ever. So they say it
takes a village, but she is so he's kind of on,
like it depends some nights. Two nights ago not good
to the last three night's been really good. Two nights
ago not not good. But she'll do She'll come over

(04:32):
at like five five point fifteen and yeah at like
five thirty six am.

Speaker 4 (04:36):
Feeding, which is amazing. Yeah, because I was.

Speaker 6 (04:40):
Doing kind of like the eight eleven Taylo do the
two and then I'd hit the five again, and that's
like that's tough.

Speaker 5 (04:48):
Because like it's like you sleep the room, no, because
you hear everything.

Speaker 4 (04:52):
I've done pretty good at it. She'll be like he's crying.

Speaker 6 (04:55):
Like that's all right, he's fine'll be all right, fine, Yeah,
this new is gonna rock him. And now we're letting
the snow do its thing. It's pretty wild. It's wild
to watch it happened.

Speaker 4 (05:04):
But it works. It works. Yeah, So it goes like
it like rocks.

Speaker 6 (05:09):
Them, like if this was if this was the baby
in there, this new they get like clipped in and
this new baseline just kind of goes like this, yeah,
back and forth. But then when they start fussing a
little bit, like somehow it knows like.

Speaker 5 (05:21):
The things like the smartest I don't even Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 (05:24):
Then it'll go like a little faster, and then it
goes like on two, it's like and they play all
this like ambient noise or whatever, and like it kind
of startles them and it sure enough.

Speaker 5 (05:34):
It puts them back to bed. That's awesome.

Speaker 4 (05:36):
But then there's like level three and four, which we
cap it where like we'll.

Speaker 5 (05:39):
Get there yet.

Speaker 6 (05:40):
Yeah, I don't understand anybody gets there, So dude, I
throw them out. It's gonna take off from the ground
like a helicopter.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
I remember thinking, and and you'll you now this is
all coming back to you. But I remember thinking, like
I probably didn't sleep well for six years because we
had the boys every two years. Yeah, so like it
really was from the time that NBC was born until
Bootsy was probably about eighteen. I mean, they sleep through
the night by six months or whatever, so at that
point it's okay, but you're pretty I was pretty much tired.

(06:10):
Amy and I were pretty much tired five for like
six and a half years. Pretty much always pretty tired.
Is kind of the way that it worked out. And
then it so you'll have that, but he'll be getting
through the night and then you're gonna you'll be tired,
but not like this, Like this is a different level.

Speaker 6 (06:23):
Well, Nana doing this, Nana being the hero that she
is that helps, Yeah, and like she loves it.

Speaker 4 (06:28):
It's a joy for her too.

Speaker 6 (06:30):
I've been setting around all these great she's like so
thankful that she gets to do this, and.

Speaker 5 (06:33):
We're like, we're thankful.

Speaker 6 (06:36):
It's a win win when everybody's winning, and it's perfect
for her too.

Speaker 4 (06:39):
Where's the g man, please?

Speaker 5 (06:41):
You're saying too much, too much too much, Winny.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
But it's perfect for her too, because if that works
with her clock, then she's she's loved right in there
and it's good.

Speaker 5 (06:49):
That's nice.

Speaker 6 (06:50):
Like right now, like the best thing they do right
now is like you know, Luca, what he looks at you.

Speaker 5 (06:56):
Yeah, You're like, all right, it's a lot of work
and sleeplessness for very little reward. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
There, we're not They're coming, it's coming, it's coming. But
you're not getting a hug back. You're not getting a
giggle yet, you're not getting you're getting that'll come the giggles.

Speaker 4 (07:08):
Sometimes he's a little.

Speaker 5 (07:09):
He's like yeah, yeah, they're like, oh yeah, like that's
the biggest thing.

Speaker 6 (07:13):
Yeah, yeah, because even though I mean, I know he
knows who we are, but like sometimes when you look
see so I've had him watch and we watch when
I do like the morning feedings with him. We've been
watching Gummy Bears, which I love that show. And then
right now we're almost done with a New Hope, Star Wars.

Speaker 5 (07:30):
Oh there you go for Star Wars. Move got to admit,
when's the last time you saw it.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
All the way through like a New Hope? Probably a
few years.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
It takes a long time to get moving. We're in
that desert a long time.

Speaker 6 (07:43):
It does, but like yes, like as we are Uncle Owen, and.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
It's all like it comes out swinging, but it comes
out hot, hot, and then it settles down for probably
thirty five minutes, and then it's back.

Speaker 5 (07:55):
Again as soon as Solo gets as soon.

Speaker 6 (07:56):
As all we get to the bar and we meet Cantina,
then we're yeah, then we're rolling again. What I don't
like is a version that's on Disney Plus is the
one where they like added it, like they added in
that Java scene outside the Millennium Falcon where he's like
clearly like a computer slug.

Speaker 4 (08:16):
He's not even that big.

Speaker 5 (08:17):
No, I don't know why they and.

Speaker 6 (08:18):
They added and they added when they're looking for the
pod with the droids, they added those like weird creatures.

Speaker 5 (08:24):
That a couple of Stormtroopers are riding on.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
I don't know why they needed to add the Java scene.
Like in watching Jedi, it's not like I needed the
point of reference of seeing Jaba.

Speaker 4 (08:33):
You knew it from gro Do or whatever.

Speaker 6 (08:35):
It was like, it's fine, Jaba you owed you knew
who he owed Jaba the money?

Speaker 5 (08:40):
Yeah, you knw who he was. I didn't need to
see him.

Speaker 6 (08:42):
Well, and Jaba was there and he had Boba fat
was There were like eight different bounty hunters there.

Speaker 4 (08:46):
Yeah, and they're like, they're gonna let him walk.

Speaker 5 (08:49):
He's like, yeah, sure, go ahead, go ahead.

Speaker 6 (08:52):
So well, I don't know, but it's been it's that
that part of it has been very fun.

Speaker 5 (08:57):
Well that's good.

Speaker 4 (08:58):
Yeah, that's good.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
Yeah, that's all of that stuff will be all of
that's He's a beautiful boy and very very exciting.

Speaker 5 (09:04):
What's now?

Speaker 4 (09:05):
You got him? Now he's fitted up. Look at this
from Uncle.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
Bo Oh yeah yeah, I mean well I thought, there
you go, he's ready, he's got his flight suit.

Speaker 5 (09:17):
Professional almost could.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
We My wife, My wife actually saw it in the
the bookstore in Annapolis at the Naval Academy and and
she goes.

Speaker 5 (09:30):
She just held it up and she goes for Luca.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, absolutely, So I hope, I said,
I hope we timed. It'd be a perfect Halloween first
Halloween costume. It's also a nice little sleeper, but it
would be a lovely Halloween.

Speaker 5 (09:46):
Twelve. So it could be be right around there, right
around him. It could be good. So yeah, so yeah,
we did. I did.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
I think I don't imagine anyone else on the planet
has ever attempted what we did.

Speaker 6 (10:00):
I can't wait to hear about all your travails. It's
all seemed pretty great, by the way.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
A lot of it was really nothing there was And
I know, I got a text last night sanity Happens
Threes texted me, he goes, are you still in Idaho?
And I said, I go know why and he sent
me the screen if you didn't, just to know what
we're talking about.

Speaker 5 (10:19):
So yesterday, the West.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
The preamble to this is the West is constantly in
threat of fire because it is so dry and because
it's so beautiful, but it's a tinderbox, quite literally, and
so if these forest fires start up, they are damn
near impossible to stop.

Speaker 6 (10:40):
So you saw this what happens in Canada every year.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Now, Yeah, and those are obviously just north of where
we were. But I mean, it's just it's just my
brother said this like ten years ago. He said, Montana
is gonna get the point where there is fall, winter, spring,
and fire season. Like that's kind of what where you're at.
And so some just worst human ever, just the most

(11:03):
tainous thing. Started a forest fire in Cord Lane, which
is where we were last week until Wednesday, started a
forest firing quart Lane, and then which is this gorgeous
little lake town. It is just stunning, and started a fire.
And then when I mean all firefighters are the bravest,
best of us, right, first responders, all of that, and
they charged in to turn out the put out the fire,

(11:25):
and he opened fire. He was a sniper, and he
killed two firemen and injured a bunch more.

Speaker 4 (11:30):
Have they got him yet?

Speaker 5 (11:31):
I think they did, right? Is that right? Giving I
believe it was a self inflicted, self inflicted situation.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yeah, because they said they found a man down with
a rifle or something late yesterday.

Speaker 5 (11:42):
They they lifted the shelter in place, and.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
I mean, it's it is the most I would I
would say, like, well, you live Sagarn Falls, so it's
it would. Quarter Lane is like Chagrin Falls if it
were in the middle of the rocky mountains and had
a massive, gorgeous freshwater lake, just massive.

Speaker 4 (12:03):
Have you been like the Traverse I've not.

Speaker 5 (12:06):
I've not.

Speaker 6 (12:08):
In my mind, I wonder if it's like that, like
that's Traverse City is kind of like the but.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Up, it's just perfect. It's kind of everything you'd want.
I mean, just stunning and famous. Holt Yeah, no, big deal.
Yeah we did so anyway that yes, that happened yesterday
and then so anyway we but this all starts back
on Friday, a week ago. Friday, we drove to Annapolis.

Speaker 4 (12:32):
Yeah, five plus in the car.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
Five plus in the cars. We drove to Annapolis, played lacrosse,
did the Naval Academy. UH the great UH former undersecretary,
the under mister Bodley.

Speaker 5 (12:42):
Had arranged for a tour. So we did what you
do to me.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
Had had a lovely midshipman who gave us a tour.
Sam he's great from Shaker. He gave us a tour.
It was really really cool. We did have a near
catastrophe right away though, because my wife went to go like,
you know, because it's like TSA if you've not been,
if you go on something like that, you have to
have identification. So my wife handed her the license and

(13:06):
the woman who is the main guard there said where's.

Speaker 5 (13:10):
Your real ID? And my wife said real I D I.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
Don't this is my real ID, And they're like no, no, no,
you need the real ID. To get on the Naval Academy.

Speaker 6 (13:19):
Oh and I didn't know that to get on the
Naval Academy.

Speaker 4 (13:22):
Yeah, how did she fly?

Speaker 5 (13:25):
Well?

Speaker 4 (13:25):
We passports passports.

Speaker 5 (13:27):
Yeah, so we took passports. Yeah, but you had driven there.
I'd driven there and we did not have passports.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
Yeah, because why would I need a passport. I had
no clue that it was like that. And the last
time I was on the Naval Academy, now they made you.
They don't let you park on academy. You have to
park in Annapolis and then walk in. The last time
I was there was in twenty twelve, and we could
park on campus like we parked, we drove through a
security check, and then we parked on campus. That was

(13:52):
in twenty twelve, and so that I didn't foresee any
of this, But lucky, luckily, Sam being a bit ship
and he was able to walk us in under his
so it was fine. We ended up doing it, but
it was kind of oh wow, that's an attention getter,
like that would sure suck if we couldn't have been
able to do that, but we did, so that was great.
Annapolis is just spectacular. It's kind of everything you'd ever wanted.

(14:14):
To be played lacrosse.

Speaker 5 (14:16):
We had.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
It was ninety eight degrees and humidity, and we played
from eight o'clock in the morning. Bootsy and Beamsy started
at eight am. NBC's last game was at six thirty,
so I was outside all day. Nine games and then
we played games early Sunday morning and then drove home
and then we flew to Spokane, Washington Monday, So like

(14:41):
four thirty am, we flew to Spokane, Washington, rented a car,
drove to quarter Lane, which is forty minutes.

Speaker 5 (14:45):
So we were and you were able to get from
here Spokane here through Minni Appnue.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
Yeah, so it was really it was out two and
a half, two and a half easy flight go to
quarter Lane. I was in Quarterlane when I was a kid,
but I haven't had I didn't remember it well. But
it's quite honestly perfect, kind of everything you'd ever want,
like a mountain town. And it's the home of the
Floating Green is at the quarter Lane Resort, which is
where we stayed, and so we were there by one o'clock,

(15:12):
blown away by how great it was. Rented upontoon boat
the summer perfect, It's seventy six, no humidity, all sun,
no clouds, rented a pontoon boat, buzzed around the lake's huge. No,
we didn't have time because remember we were double booked.
We were supposed to be there on Saturday, and then
the lacrosse thing got switched and so now all of

(15:34):
a sudden we lost two days of the trip. I
got it, so we were only over to be there
two nights. We just took the pontoon out. There's nobody
on the lake. Eight we were on there by eight
twenty in the morning Tuesday. Took the pontoon out, boys
jumped in the water, kind of cruised around. There's incredible
club so their courses there, and there's another one called
Gaza Ranch which is baller crazy across the lake. That

(15:55):
was nuts. So we did that and then me and
the two oldest played.

Speaker 4 (16:00):
The course where it was bootsi.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
So he didn't have the stomach for it. Really, he
just didn't know if he wanted to play eighteen, so
you couldn't play nine. He's nine, so it's on the edge.

Speaker 4 (16:11):
So it was a bootsi, a self removal.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
Yeah, he didn't want to do it. I was more
than willing. I mean I had to pay for the
force him anyway, So it didn't matter whether he played
or not. But they wouldn't let you play nine. Either
had to play eighteen or that was it. So him
and him and my wife bought a cabana thing and
they hung at the pool and jumped in the lake
and had snacks.

Speaker 5 (16:34):
So it was a win.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
So the course is incredible. It's probably the best resort
that he would thrive there. That guy would thrive there
right there. Probably the best resort course I've played, really truly.

Speaker 5 (16:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
It was better than Royal Blue and the Bahamas, better
than Wile and Maui. I mean, just nothing, not a
speck out of place, no bunker rakes anywhere. Almost like private,
really elite private club is what it played like. Yeah,
and so we played it all these cool mountain holes
and all this stuff, and me and the boys played it.
And so you get to the island green, which is

(17:08):
kind of the focal point of the whole thing, and.

Speaker 4 (17:11):
It's how far was that playing?

Speaker 5 (17:13):
For?

Speaker 3 (17:13):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (17:13):
Well, we played we played second to the front tips
to keep it moving. So I think we were like
one fourteen Oh okay, yeah, so but even the even
like the the member and then the tips, I think
the member was one twenty eight and the tips were
maybe one thirty eight one forty.

Speaker 4 (17:31):
Okay, So it's not right, no, no, no.

Speaker 5 (17:32):
It's not like or anything like that. No, it's just
a wedge, that's it. But it's it's pretty remarkable.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
So the driving range, you hit into the lake on
the driving range, that's how you do that. So you
just hit into the lake the driving range.

Speaker 6 (17:46):
Are they like floating greens out there or it's just
kind of like No, they.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
Have floating flags flags, so you try to hit to
the flags and then they have a net under it
to catch them. But obviously some just get into the lake.
And then you see like the pools how the current
takes so you'd see like pools of ball, like thousand,
tens of thousands of balls like in these giant pools
underneath the lake, which was cool. So you get to

(18:09):
the floating green and it's it's just an ingenius. This
Haganung guy who built it, was so genius to take
something like that sets it apart, and he fought for
it like crazy, and it's.

Speaker 5 (18:21):
A true floating green. You have to take a boat over.

Speaker 4 (18:25):
You boat, you boat over.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
It's a beautiful little wooden boat that you all get
in and you go over and then you play your shots.
And so what the way that usually happens to kind
of keep pace of play is the group ahead of
you hits on as they're boating over, you hit on,
So you have like a couple of minute window to
hit on. Now, we didn't have. We had to rent clubs,
We had to buy balls because I didn't we didn't

(18:47):
pack any of that stuff. Yeah, so I was worried.
I'm like, God, are all of these is gonna look?
Are they in the same spot we are where they
bought all their balls, Like, who are you making sure
you hit the right ones?

Speaker 5 (18:56):
But all three of us.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
Got it on on our first shot and I ended
up making par And so they can be a certificate
for making part.

Speaker 6 (19:04):
They can like move it too, right, can't they like it?
They like, I can take it way out, they can
take it in. Yeah, they can move it. They definitely can.
It's all hooked up. They actually brought it in. My
Caddy was saying a couple of years ago.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
They brought it like all the way in and they
had to like re sought it because of so much
sand from the traps had landed on the green. Oh
that they had to clean all of that out and
kind of restart it. But it's a brilliant piece of marketing.
It's a really cool hole.

Speaker 4 (19:31):
And you got a certificate.

Speaker 5 (19:32):
I did when I suck, but I did.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
And I tell you though, like in my Caddy said this,
he said, you know a lot of people, especially because
everybody goes there wants to play, and a lot of
them are really bad. Like I'm bad, but there's people
who are terrible. Yeah, and he's like, most people just
stop at fourteen, like they just call it a day
at that point. They don't play the last few holes
because all they want to do is play fourteen and
then be done.

Speaker 5 (19:54):
That's Island Green. It's fourteenth. Yeah interesting. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
So and then Amian boots you get to come out
on the boat, take pictures and all of that. So
that was It was really cool and I highly recommend
that area. Yeah, and then we drove over to Montana
from there. I don't know if it's just I'm just
not used to it, but like when you are driving
over lookout Pass and you're crossing into Montana from Idaho
and you're literally driving over the rocky mountains and you

(20:19):
see a speed sign for speed saying eighty miles an hour,
and you realize what that means is that Montana's are
going eighty nine. Oh h at least it is minimum
eighty nine. It is a borderline insane choice. I mean,
it just is like people are just they should not be.
It's an interstate. It's four lanes, right, but it's still

(20:40):
like it is and it is to go that.

Speaker 5 (20:43):
Fast is like the standard is craziness.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Like I just the whole time I'm thinking about like,
so you drive like seventy seven by Brexville and Broadview
Heights and it's fifty five or whatever it is, and
I'm driving over the Rockies and it's eighty How do
these two things equate?

Speaker 5 (20:57):
And there's a ton of traffic. Yeah, it's not like
it's like there's no traffic there. It's summer.

Speaker 4 (21:01):
Yeah, the roads are packed.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
I mean there's it's it's full traffic situation. If there's
an accident, it's got to be backed up forever. How
the heck do you get emergency crews up to these
places on the sides of mountains.

Speaker 5 (21:12):
It's nuts. So that was crazy.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
We Uh, then we went to my dad's after that,
and we did a couple of nights there soft family,
which was cool. I this, I'll this was this closest
I've ever been to death in my life though happened
at my dad's place. So he's getting a little older
and he's got three really great horses that the boys
ride that don't buck, don't spook, don't do anything. And

(21:39):
he had me on a different one. So Peyden, despite
only riding like once a year, he rides his own horse.
Parker rides his own horse and then boots. He rides
a horse, but I trail him. So I have him
on a on a halter, okay. And I get on
this horse I've never been on before, and I can
tell right away she's not.

Speaker 5 (21:57):
Not up for it.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
It wasn't that now, and I've ridden a lot, so
I can I know when things are not going. I'm like,
and I got on her and she was kind of
bouncy a little bit, and then as I sat down
and started to walk, she started to buck, like legitimate
like rodeo buck.

Speaker 5 (22:12):
Okay, so she.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
Jumped twice and I held on and then she kind
of settled, but then she panicked and she started backing up,
and she backed up.

Speaker 5 (22:23):
I'll pull it up. She backed up right.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
I took a picture because it was just so insane.

Speaker 5 (22:33):
So she backed up right up into.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
That that fence, into that fence with that track tractor.
So she backed up into it and hit it. And
when she backed up into it and hit it, and
I'm still riding at this point, she backed up into
it and hit it and started to fall back. Now
she falls all the way back. I'm dead because it's
it's a tractor, it's me and a horse, and I
don't win there. That's a game, set match. And so

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she kind of gathers herself and just kind of falls
on her side against the tractor and the gate. Now,
because I have ridden a lot, I was quick enough
to get my leg out, so I got my leg
out and I was able to get my leg out
of the stirrup and hopped off as she was falling.
I was able to get it all out and I

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just got away. At that point, she really struggled to
get back up. Inevitably, she was fine. She got back
to her feet and she was fine. But you just
kind of have to let him do it at that point.
But it was like that from game set match, and
so now was your dad there he was, but he
was saddling another hor he was getting his horse going
on the other side. Beamsy witnessed it firsthand and he was,

(23:44):
you know, shook, really shook. He's like, I'm done, get
me off this thing now, yeah, boots.

Speaker 5 (23:50):
He didn't see all of it. NBC saw little of it.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
Not all of it, though, but my wife saw all
of it, and I'm thinking, don't you forget still a cowboy.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
Still got it, but still got it, still there, honey,
still got it all good.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
It was so close. Yeah, I was terrifying. And then
we went and rode after that. When put that horse away,
I put that, I put the saddle it was on
that one, on another one, and then we all went
and we rode after. It was crazy in retrospect, crazy,
but no, it was great. My dad bought a buggy
for some reason, like a carriage, like if you were

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to take like missus Lincoln to the Ford Theater carriage.

Speaker 5 (24:30):
Yeah, you bought one.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
I don't know something to do. He came, He's like, hey,
you want to see this, like you want to see something?

Speaker 5 (24:36):
Okay, So we go down.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
He's what are we gonna do with this, I'm gonna
go for We're gonna go for a ride, all right,
So we come through the hassle.

Speaker 5 (24:43):
Of putting all the things.

Speaker 4 (24:43):
It's like what they would go into town and then.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
Was this show nineteen twenty three behind.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
Yeah, like that or like eighteen eighty three, like a
like a true wooden carriage buggy.

Speaker 5 (24:57):
You're in it and he's he's taken us around.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
Yeah, he's like, oh yeah, I got a one horse open,
one horse open sleigh too. Okay, God bless you. My
thinking is he's seven, almost seventy seven. I think he's
hedging for when he can't ride so that he can
still do these things. That's my guess is how it's working.

Speaker 5 (25:17):
That'll be great. Though I'm getting buggied around everywhere. It's
a scene. We all did it. It was. It was
a scene to say the least. So no, it was
a great trip. All the flights are.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
Incredible, and and we did it all in It's seven days,
so it's nuts.

Speaker 5 (25:33):
Lots going on. Awesome.

Speaker 6 (25:34):
Did the kids have a good time with everything that
they did? They have it was like their favorite.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
Well so oldest was the golf. Peyton's big into golf.
R NBC's big into golf right now, and so yeah,
keep going great. He's like, I want to play more
and more, Like can we go back to Courtlaane.

Speaker 5 (25:49):
I want to play. I want to play. And that
course is fun.

Speaker 4 (25:53):
It's really it's gorgeous.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
It's stunning, and it's really not just that whole like
the whole thing's like through the mountains, big carry.

Speaker 5 (26:00):
It's just cool. It's just a really really cool course. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
So he loved that beams, he loved the pontoons, then boots,
he loved the riding. So he did a little bit
of everything, went back to the main Ponderosa and showed
him all of that.

Speaker 5 (26:13):
And yeah, so it was good. This was supposed to
be a slow day in the National Football.

Speaker 4 (26:18):
League not Yeah, I don't remember anything like this at all.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
No, no, you about middle of the morning. The Pittsburgh
Steelers speaking of they kind of chose violence, like they
just they went as all in as can be. So
Mika Fitzpatrick goes to Miami, Jalen Ramsey comes back, and
then they acquired John new Smith as well for a

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pick swap of a late pick going forward. Whatever you
think of the risk of all of this. They're better
than they were a year ago, and they won ten games.

Speaker 4 (26:54):
They're definitely better.

Speaker 6 (26:56):
But it's interesting you look at so they've added Ramsey,
they've added John Newsmith, they've lost Mica, they've lost Pickens.

Speaker 5 (27:06):
They've had Metcalf, they added Aaron Rodgers. Yep.

Speaker 6 (27:11):
They've had Dari Slay right they did yep. So they're old,
they are older, yep.

Speaker 5 (27:16):
Which is interesting.

Speaker 4 (27:17):
It feels what's the.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Difference between Mike and Ramsey age wise? It can't be much.
Mica and Ramsey year two.

Speaker 5 (27:25):
Let's see. I think it's wild that Ramsey's thirty. I
think it's wild that. Do you think they're gonna have
him play safety?

Speaker 6 (27:32):
They said slot corner, outside corner and some safety.

Speaker 5 (27:35):
Yeah. Minco's twenty eight, so so you just two years. Yeah,
and then our guy Thornhill's over there. Thorn Hill's over there,
and then they'll have Sleigh and Jewelry Porty Porter Junior
is the outside corners.

Speaker 6 (27:47):
So Ramsey was picked in the sixteen draft. Minco's picked
in the eighteen draft.

Speaker 5 (27:51):
Yeah, he'll turn thirty one in October. Let's see, Mika
turns twenty nine.

Speaker 6 (27:58):
Mika turns twenty nine in November. So yeah, two years
over years. It's just interesting. Kind of feels to me,
and I said this in that group chat we are on,
but it feels to me kind of like what the
Eagles did that year they put together that dream team
and that.

Speaker 5 (28:16):
With Michael Vick and all that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
Yeah, I who knows if it'll work. It A lot
of it will be contingent on Rogers, I do think
with the John who Smith trade, though now I can
very clearly see what they're going to be offensively, which
is gonna which is also all the more weird that
that Rogers wasn't there for more of Mini camp because
or more of the off season, because they're clearly going

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to run a lot of too tight yeah and friar movement.

Speaker 5 (28:42):
You have a back and then have Metcalf and whoever else.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
Yeah, emerges Robert Woods or whoever on the outs or
whoever it could be missions out there.

Speaker 5 (28:52):
Yeah, so maybe that's but that's it.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
They're gonna run the two backs with Warren, and they're
gonna run Caleb Johnson, who's a stud I think he's
going to be really good for that them, and they're
gonna run play action off of that in wide zone
and and that's the plan. And then defensively, that's a
that's that's a that's a group.

Speaker 5 (29:09):
It's a good looking group.

Speaker 4 (29:11):
It's old, but yes it is.

Speaker 6 (29:13):
But they're you know, like Sleigh Ramsey and Joey Porter
Junior is pretty good cornerback trio.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
That's pretty good right there. Yeah, and they slid Patrick
Queen and they'll.

Speaker 5 (29:22):
Get things and Kay Smith and km Hayward.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
Yeah, no, it's on on paper. Do you have them
wear in the AFC North on paper?

Speaker 4 (29:35):
Still probably third?

Speaker 2 (29:37):
See, I think they're better than Cincinnati on paper.

Speaker 4 (29:39):
Maybe they are, but Joe Burrow is Joe Burrow.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
He is, and they'll you know, they're gonna have to outscore. Yeah,
but I think they're right. They're not as dangerous since
they're still not first. No, but if if they're they
got closer.

Speaker 4 (29:55):
They're or this is going to be a complete disaster.

Speaker 5 (29:59):
It could be and complete disaster.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
Yeah, but even the one thing about they don't there's
no precedent for complete disaster for them.

Speaker 4 (30:06):
No, which is why this would be never done it.
But they've also never done this.

Speaker 3 (30:09):
No.

Speaker 5 (30:10):
Brooke prior talked about that.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
I saw it on her Twitter, she was like, this
is a very Unsteelers off season for sure.

Speaker 6 (30:15):
Yeah, so this is to me, it's like it almost
feels like this is a last hurrah. You know, you
only have Rogers for one year. Like people in Pittsburgh
are already tired to Tomlin, which is nuts. The guy's
never had a losing season. Yeah, but they have not
won a playoff game since we looked it up like SI.

Speaker 4 (30:31):
Sixteen, I think, yeah, I.

Speaker 6 (30:33):
Think it's gonna blow up, and I think they're resetting
after the season.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
Either way, they probably are win or lose, whether they sure,
that's just like what would be defining success for them
at this point with all in like, you have to
win a playoff game minimum, you're not not a super
Bowl team. I don't think with what aces, So you
have to think that they put I'm sure they think
that we did that thing. You know, a couple of

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years ago we said, you walk into refacility in the
in the division and everybody thinks they're a super Bowl team.
I me when we acquired Sean and and Paspert at
that point, like we would have everyone would have said, hey, yeah,
we feel like we're a super Bowl team and that's
probably their thought is if you walk into the building,
you can say, hey we got Rogers, we had at Ramsey,
we got Metcalf. It's a it's a one shot at it.

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And everybody over there has been complaining about Tomlin and
being in the middle by their definition in the middle
for so long.

Speaker 5 (31:28):
Now.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
If this doesn't work, or even if it does, you
can pivot to a reset pretty easily.

Speaker 6 (31:32):
Problem is if it has to go, if when you're
pivoting to a total reset, you need to kind of
crash spectacularly.

Speaker 4 (31:41):
I don't think they're going to do that unless it
just becomes it.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
But it could be a it could be a multi
year rebuild at that point. Yeah, you know where it's
where it takes a couple of years to get kind
of back organized. But either way, our division, which was
already brutal, got tougher. There's more talent and division now
than there was yesterday.

Speaker 4 (32:02):
No doubts.

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I mean.

Speaker 4 (33:38):
This is it.

Speaker 5 (33:39):
My goodness, gracious, all right, we've seen.

Speaker 4 (33:44):
We don't got, don't got. Billy Musgrave on the podium.

Speaker 5 (33:49):
Mister Musgrave did not address.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
The mess he was the only position coach normally physician reviews.

Speaker 5 (33:58):
A little bit of a little bit of a was
a little thing. There's well, we're back.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
We gotta work, you gotta earn the well like we've
got those for later in the week when we are
just kind of like, let's get through the last two days.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Smart, good joby to you give me? What do you
think the plan will be when we get into this thing?
My friend, you can use that one.

Speaker 5 (34:19):
That's right behind it's right behind yours.

Speaker 4 (34:23):
How about it? Well, I was over there. I just
had to keep your keep a seat.

Speaker 5 (34:27):
Warm when I was safe safe.

Speaker 4 (34:31):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (34:31):
I really think it's it's gonna be fascinating.

Speaker 4 (34:34):
I think that.

Speaker 6 (34:37):
You need to decide, Okay, who do you think are
realistic starters for a week one? And I think it's
kind of okay if one of the rookies is just
that good, it is okay. But I think it's also
okay to go into it with the mindset, at least initially,
that you're not putting a rookie into that murderer's row.

Speaker 5 (34:57):
No. I mean we've we've talked about that throughout.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
They force themselves into de Yeah, like Russ Wilson with
Seattle and you just you're just better than everybody else.
But it based on what we saw in mini camp,
it would take a lot to get there, and I
just don't know how they're going to get enough opportunity
to prove that with splitting the reps up.

Speaker 6 (35:17):
So I think that what we're not privy to that
they might be privy to is we've had so much debate.
You know, do you keep four quarterbacks or is it
just three? I've said all along, I think it's going
to be three. So I think you have this is
I'm going to say it from my perspective, okay, because
I don't again don't know. I think that right now

(35:38):
you're getting Kenny Pickett ready to start Week one, and
you should give him the reps that indicate that early on,
if he falls flat on his face, you can press
the eject button and then you put Flacco right into
that role. But I think that's to me, that's where
it is. And then you know, you have Gabriel and
Sanders having kind of their own competition to see who
will be the backup going into the season, because I

(36:01):
don't think I think you're keeping one of Picket and Flacco.
And my guess is it would be Picket just because
you got to look at the big picture here.

Speaker 4 (36:09):
You said, and I look, could the Browns go win
Zuper Bowls year? Absolutely?

Speaker 5 (36:14):
Is it likely?

Speaker 6 (36:15):
You know from Vegas standpoint, not least likely in our division? Right,
And that's you know, that's just kind of where we are.
So let's look at like the outcomes. So Kenny Pickett
starts for you, and Kenny Pickett is really good, good

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enough that you would consider him your starter going into
the next season, or that another franchise in the National
Football League would consider him their starter going in the
next season. So that's outcome one with Kenny Pickett. That
means that either A, maybe you have your quarterback.

Speaker 5 (36:57):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (36:58):
Now the question is can you afford him?

Speaker 6 (37:01):
Or b that he goes somewhere and signs will call
it twenty five to thirty million dollar a year deal,
the Donald deal something like that, or even what Daniel
Jones end up signing for.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
I don't remember that one. I don't remember what Jones
ended up signing for. I know Donald was three for
one hundred or thereabout.

Speaker 4 (37:19):
Yeah, so or even say twenty a year like justin Fields.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
Yeah, okay, two for forty Yeah in that range.

Speaker 5 (37:27):
Jones one year, fourteen millions.

Speaker 6 (37:29):
Okay, so not Jones, so Fields low end, donald end.
That gets you unless you go out and sign a
twenty million dollars or thirty million dollars a year free.

Speaker 4 (37:39):
Agent, which not like the zone hit the market. No,
that means Kenny Pickett.

Speaker 6 (37:44):
Is worth a third round pick to your organization because
he would be a compensatory third pick leaving.

Speaker 4 (37:51):
Joe Flacco.

Speaker 6 (37:52):
Now he doesn't play well, You're going to see Gabriel
and Sanders at some point, and then that goes into
with Gabriel Sanders, can you be the guy so that
we do not have to use one or both of
our first round picks next year on a quarterback?

Speaker 2 (38:07):
Bo Do you think they view because the way you
set that up is you you kind of set it
up as if Picket and Flacco were the same.

Speaker 5 (38:19):
In terms of like their standing.

Speaker 4 (38:21):
I don't think.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
Although they are, okay, but is it possible that they
view Pickett as the similarly as the two rookies.

Speaker 4 (38:30):
Possible, that's possible.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
Where So in that scenario, you could start Flacco to
start the year like obviously you want the You're exactly right. Obviously,
the intent would be Kenny, given the first opportunity to
go win the job, be the starter, competed story picks.

Speaker 6 (38:45):
And Kenny Pickett's not starting week one, I think he's
out of the picture. Yeah, I think those are his
only outcomes, either starting week one or he's.

Speaker 4 (38:55):
Not for us.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
Yeah, because at that point you'd rather have the young
kids go give him a shot.

Speaker 5 (39:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (39:01):
My point was just that if him, if he's good,
that's what you get. If he's not good, he's gone
and you have Gabriel Sanders and they get the next shots.
If he can, he Pickett, let's say, falls on his
face and Flacco starts week one.

Speaker 4 (39:12):
If Flaco's really.

Speaker 6 (39:13):
Good again, the likelihood that we get into the playoffs.
I think it's a very tough road, as we've outlined,
but that would be wonderful. But from twenty six and
beyond does nothing for you. Joe Flacco's in his forties. No,
he has not been a consistent, winning starting quarterback since
the year twenty seventeen, with the lone exception of the

(39:33):
season with US, right, So that does nothing for you.
Nobody's gonna pay him big bucks. You're not getting any competiti.
There's just no That's why I always that's why I
think Joe Flacco, if you're looking at the big picture,
is the kind of break glass in case of emercy. Now,
if the quarterback room had been what they thought it
was going to be when they signed him, which was Pickett,

(39:53):
Flacco and Dylan Gabriel, that's your three quarterbacks. Flat Goos
the mentor. He plays when he needs to play, and
he's in there, not that he's in there two mentor,
but he is somebody that is a great Just watch him,
Osmosis Jones, watch him and.

Speaker 5 (40:06):
Learn from what you've got going on there.

Speaker 6 (40:08):
Now that you've got Picket, Flacco, Gabriel and Sanders again,
I think you've challenged Shador. I think that nobody would
disagree with the statement that Shadoor Sanders is regarded as
the more talented of the two rookie quarterbacks. Yeah, nobody.
Dylan Gabriel impressive. I know Coach loves him, I know
the Browns love him. I know that he is almost

(40:29):
kind of a veteran. I still look at him and say,
a great outcome for him is.

Speaker 5 (40:34):
Being Colt McCoy.

Speaker 6 (40:35):
Case Keenum playing in the league for a decade, being
a backup, starting when you need to, probably having a
couple seasons where you are a starter and do well
all of that. Now, maybe he's better than that. Maybe yeah,
maybe he's Russ Wilson. Maybe he is, and in that case, boom,
he could be your answer and then Shador. I think
that Flacco you don't need to give a lot of
reps to, and I think we kind of saw that
in Mini camp and the OTAs until you need to.

(40:58):
Unless you say, Kenny Pickett's not the guy. We're not
starting these rookies. Joe Flacker, you're the starter. Then you
get them all the reps he needs, and I think
he'll be a red guy. Came off his couch and
went four and one. Yes, he doesn't need a long ramp. No,
So I think you're gonna prepare great in mini camp
with next to no work. He just threw, He just
he just get up and throw the ball six and

(41:18):
he throws a beautiful ball.

Speaker 5 (41:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (41:20):
So I think it's gonna be Picket being groomed to
be the starter.

Speaker 6 (41:25):
I think Gabriel is going to get a lot of work,
and I'd like to see Shador's work go up in
high leverage situations and see if he can handle it.

Speaker 4 (41:32):
Because of how talented the guy is.

Speaker 5 (41:34):
I asked Coach Bright.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
He was right at the end of mini camp. He
came on when you were with UH with Little Luca,
and I asked him. I asked him like, do you
have I wasn't expecting him to give me the answer,
but in your head, when do you have do you
know when this needs to start to be pared down?
And they do have an answer for that. But the
reality is is that you they they do have to

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they have predisposed notion and they've had a lot of
time with these rookies. They've had a lot of time
with Kenny Pickett, They've had they know who Joe Flacco is.
So you can't. You cannot get all of these guys reps,
not the important reps.

Speaker 5 (42:13):
There's no way.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
And you have two joint practices to work through, the
ones with Caroline and the ones with Philly. Those reps
are the money reps. Now, one thing that's going to
be really cool for Browns fansa is these preseason games
are gonna be huge. Ye, these reps from these quarterbacks.
The two rookies are going to be huge. Ye One
thing that we saw in the in the lead up

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and all the way through mandatory Mini camp is that
what Dylan was being asked to do was different than
what Shuduur is being asked to do because of background,
because of the way that Dylan has had to learn
all of these offenses, has played so much football, where
shud it's been a little bit different in terms of
the way that their their quarterback gestation period has gone.
But every rep is so critical and we saw that

(42:56):
at rookie Mini camp. We saw it at Mini camp,
just the way that they're flying these guys through because
they have to yep, they have to figure out what
they have in the three on quarterbacks and that's Pickett
Gabriel Sanders. So I do think that that part's gonna
be fascinating how quickly they pair that down.

Speaker 6 (43:14):
Yeah, and how things evolve and change. That's what I'm
talking about. That is that's the change. That is what changes.
That's going to give you the clues. But I think
if you're taking it from an organizational standpoint and thinking
through all the possible outcomes, it makes all the sense
in the world to give Kenny Pickett that first shot,
and if he doesn't, then you'd want to hope, hey,

(43:36):
maybe Gabriel or Sanders is ready, and then if nobody is,
then you give it to Joe Flacco, who's absolutely ready
and a great guy and a great leader, all of
those things.

Speaker 4 (43:45):
But because the fact that there's no.

Speaker 6 (43:50):
Other than being and this is a big payoff, don't
get me wrong, and hopefully it would be the case,
it just is not. You know, his year with us
has been in a NOMA in his recent past, but
there's no long term payoff from Joe Flacco being successful.
There's short some of us being competitive this year. Yeah,

(44:13):
you know, I think people need to ask themselves like, okay,
like do we believe we can win a super Bowl?

Speaker 5 (44:19):
Or do we win a division?

Speaker 2 (44:22):
It's also I think at the other part of it.
But in regard to the two like if it go
to me, I think the first two weeks are most
critical for Kenny Pickett, as you just laid that out.
If Kenny Pickett is if, but if it doesn't go
well and it's not clicking, then you pivot to Flacco
because you could absolutely derail the career of a rookie

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by putting them in those first six games unless they
are completely ready, totally ready, that is a brutal stretch
to open the season. So to me, what I'll be
watching the first two weeks of training camp is Kenny
Pickett yep, And how does he look going about his busines?

Speaker 5 (45:00):
I know what Flacco is going to look like. I
know it same we know it.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
So if Pickett's not elevating to that point and really
shining and very clearly the best between not between him
and Flacco, between him and the two young kids like
far and away, if that's not happening, if the gap
between him and the two young kids isn't big, then
at that point you pivot to Flacco and you go.

Speaker 6 (45:24):
To the two kids at the backups and get them and
then they all are going to play, and then they're
gonna play this year.

Speaker 5 (45:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
So I think that's as we sit here on the
last day of June, that's that's probably kind of the
way that they're going to approach it.

Speaker 4 (45:40):
Folks.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
I would look at it as you have three swings
at a future quarterback. Yep, you got three swings at it.
And this is when you consider, you know, kind of
where we are at the quarterback decision. Because of the
Watson trade and all of that, you got three swings
at it. And my hunch is with this organization will
do in the coming years is keep swinging until you

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got one. Yes, that's what you gotta do. You're gonna
draft part you have one, you draft one every year.

Speaker 6 (46:07):
The part of this season to me, to me is
finding out, first, can Kenny Pickett be that guy? Second,
can Dylan Gabriel or Shud or Sanders be that guy?
But both of the I think you need answers to
both of these questions. I mean I could envision a
season depending on how things go where I mean best

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case scenario, obviously you picket rolls and then like I said,
he's either worth a third round pick to you or
you're saying that we're gonna figure this out. He's gonna
can we I think we'd be able. We'd have to
find a way a way.

Speaker 5 (46:39):
But like, yeah, like if he has a Donald year
like Donald, you can say.

Speaker 6 (46:42):
Look, you could sign a big extension where the initial
kip hits are not great, you know, and make it work.

Speaker 4 (46:50):
But you know, he's still young, he still in his
rookie contract in the first round. Six, yeah, fifteen, and ten.

Speaker 6 (46:54):
As a starter, I could see a scenario this year
where you get like five plus games from Picket, Gabriel,
and Sanders.

Speaker 4 (47:03):
Ultimately, when it all like shakes out.

Speaker 5 (47:05):
Let's say we're playing Madden. That's probably what I would do.

Speaker 4 (47:08):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 5 (47:10):
I would split the season.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
I'd split the seventeen games three ways and see which
one I played. Like if if humans weren't involved in
emotions and physicality and all of that, well, if guys
weren't hurt, and you could just say that would be
the way, that's your litmus test fully healthy, these three tranches,
how do these guys perform?

Speaker 5 (47:29):
Because really, and the goal is.

Speaker 6 (47:31):
If you go first, make it so that they don't
sure you can't go to him to the next trench.
And if you go second, make sure that they don't
can't go to the third guy, and then that helps
you get an answer. But that's to me, that's that's
what it is. And then from the preseason standpoint, I
definitely don't need to see all four of them.

Speaker 5 (47:49):
I don't need to see Joe do anything.

Speaker 6 (47:52):
No, if he's gonna go, he's gonna go, and he's
gonna be ready and I have full confidence in him.
I want to see some picket and then I want
to see like a lot of Gabriel and Shadoor.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
Agreed, and that's why. And I think it's important for
each one of those guys to start a preseason guard. Yes,
I say both have to start, not third quarter, fourth quarter, no, no,
start a game, go through the process of what it's
like to be the guy. I'd love to see both
of those guys start one of those games. And if
you get the answer quicker positively or negatively unpick it,
then that allows for that to be an easier play.

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For example, if if Kenny, if it doesn't go well
for him right away, and it because you've God, you've
had all these months, there's all the tape, like you
got a pretty good idea what he is, what he's not.
If it doesn't go well for and they love him,
Kevin loves him. But if it doesn't go well, then
those joint practices you can go Flacco in the joint
practices to be ready for the first six games, and

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the preseason games can be all the rookies, yep, and
you can sprinkle them in the joint practices.

Speaker 5 (48:49):
But like that's the that to me is is what
this is about. One hundred percent one hundred percent.

Speaker 6 (48:56):
Can you find a solution to the biggest problem that's
face this organization and plagued this organization since really the
days of Bernie that's it.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
Yeah, it's it's been a long look for one and
so that you're gonna get three more at bats at
it this year, So and.

Speaker 4 (49:10):
You have the two picks next year.

Speaker 6 (49:11):
But like the ideal situation, would you be able to
turn those into Caleb Downs and a left tackle, a
wide receiver and Caleb Downs a wide receiver and a
tackle an edge rusher to go opposite my you know,
just to get two studs would be yeah, great.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
Yeah, if one of these guys can be Russell Wilson
is probably the best example recently. So I just keep
coming back to it of a guy who was drafted
where he was drafted and then turned into something. And
it's what that allowed for is it allowed the Seattle
Seahawks to win a Super Bowl and be Super Bowl
contenders because they stumbled into a quarterback. Yes, it's the

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same thing the forty nine ers did with perty they
stumbled into a quarterback and it allowed for them to
make a run at a super Bowl. So that's that's
what you hope you did here, and you have three
chances to be able to do it.

Speaker 5 (49:58):
Yep, So all right give it you. What are your
thoughts as I look at the clock.

Speaker 3 (50:07):
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Fitzpatrick goes to Miami in exchange for Jalen Ramsey, and
then they acquired Jonah Smith in exchange for a late

(51:46):
round PICKSWAP. I have to assume these things were all
tied together and it just had to be two separate transactions,
but it kind of feels.

Speaker 5 (51:53):
Like just one.

Speaker 6 (51:54):
What's wild to me about the John news Smith piece
of it is how why this all came to be?
Because and just so we'll give you a little background.
So John news Smith, let's get a little John Ye,
Mary is John Newsmith's been in the league for a

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long time since twenty seventeen. He was with Arthur Smith
in Tennessee and had forty one catches for four hundred
and forty eight yards. Then was with in the year
before that thirty five for four to thirty nine. Then
he remember he was a big free agent signing by
New England. Nothing really happened there. Then he reunites with
Arthur Smith in Atlanta. Has fifty for five eighty two

(52:39):
last year in Miami career high eighty eight catches, eight
hundred and eighty four yards, eight touchdowns. I'm surprised Miami
didn't want.

Speaker 5 (52:48):
Him, and.

Speaker 6 (52:53):
Coming off his first Pro Bowl season twenty nine years old.
He's going to turn thirty shortly, another older guy to
that team. He's never had monster numbers with Arthur Smith,
and you're gonna have him and Friarmuth out there. It's
just a strange. It's strange. And now it's like the
Dolphins need want a tight end. Now they're trying to

(53:15):
trade for a tight end. You had a tight end, right, yeah?
Who did pretty well in your offense? It would seem
I mean, I don't know, maybe I'm wrong about that,
but it certainly would seem like he did pretty well
in that offense. So it's just a very strange. I
find it to be a very strange. Addition, people I
think expecting him to go I'm talking from fantasy, same point.

(53:37):
I can go and keep doing what He's not going
to do that in Pittsburgh.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
No, No, because it'll be a complete job share. I mean,
and they still have Washington, do don't they the big town,
the big yeah out of Georgia.

Speaker 5 (53:47):
Who's just a massive human huh.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
So you know, I think that's probably from their perspective.
I now understand the thinking of what they're trying to
be offensively, and they're going to be what Arthur wants
to be and it's going to be too tight and
Roger's gonna have to pick that up pretty quickly. I'm
sure they'll take a lot of the stuff that he
ran in Green Bay and kind of work that stuff in,
but he does, he is. It's going to be a

(54:10):
new offense from ones he's run.

Speaker 5 (54:11):
Now, there's some of the.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
Principles probably that are in Lafleur's offense Altho, also in
Arthur Smith there's probably a little bit of familiarity there.
But yeah, it's a Yeah, it was a This was
a wild I mean Monday going into the Holiday.

Speaker 6 (54:26):
Lake point of the NFL season. Yeah, yeah, very very
dead point of the NFL season.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
Yeah, and obviously a division that's already was already very
very difficult got tougher. The Pittsburgh Seelers are more talented, older,
but more talented now than they were a year ago.
I try to anytime I'm on vacation, I really try
to unplug. Did they get is the TJ.

Speaker 5 (54:50):
Watt thing still hanging out there? Get a deal done?
They have yet still hanging so that one's still out there?

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Because I thought I saw something yesterday that they that
they did get the deal done, but it's hard to
tell any or what's really so.

Speaker 3 (55:01):
This from Schefter within the past ten minutes, right from sources,
multiple sources. In recent weeks, multiple teams have been discussing
whether they can trade for Steelers stand out TJ. Watt,
who skipped the team's most recent mini camp Pittsburgh, has
not shown any willingness to deal. Watt so far, but

(55:22):
he's unhappy with his contractual situation, and sources believe outside
team interest is likely to increase given today's trade.

Speaker 5 (55:31):
I just see no scenario why you would trade him
after doing all this. I agree, it just doesn't want
to see you in here a couple of weeks. I
just don't.

Speaker 6 (55:38):
This is Schefter on McAfee. Everybody has just assumed that
t J. Watt and the Steelers are going to figure
things out. I don't think they're very close to a
deal right now.

Speaker 5 (55:46):
Here's the thing, though, too, Like he.

Speaker 6 (55:49):
We heard, I heard, we wegus that there is a
belief very close there that he is going to be
trade it.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
Brooke Pryor one minute ago, six months ago, I'd say
there was no way TJ. Watt wouldn't be a Steeler
for the twenty twenty five season. I still think it's
incredibly unlikely he goes anywhere. But this regime right now
is a real wild card.

Speaker 6 (56:19):
So that's being said for a reason because this wasn't
about This wasn't about TJ.

Speaker 5 (56:24):
Watt. No, it really wasn't. So like for.

Speaker 6 (56:27):
People all of a sudden to be commenting on TJ.
Watt specifically, it makes me think.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
That two things to remember and all of this stuff
Reporters leaked things. Owners leak things. Yep, management leaks things.
So if things are being said, they're being said for
a reason. The other thing to remember, and this is
just it's June thirtieth.

Speaker 5 (56:46):
Man, you're going into the.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
Holiday week like there's not a whole lot going on.
If you're in the content business at the worldwide leader,
this is a nice it's a nice day. I mean,
we're in the content business. This is nice one day.
Close are you're just focusing on hot log You got
hot talks coming up at the end of the week. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I to me, I don't we do things or
not a thing. I don't think it's a thing yet.

(57:10):
I don't think it's a thing yet. And I don't
even know what the compensation would be for t J.
Watt if they did. I don't even know where you'd
what's the jumping off point for that? Is it multiple ones?
It's got to be a is it a player like
and then whoever signed, whoever would trade for him, but
then have to give him the extension and make him
the highest paid defensive end in football.

Speaker 5 (57:27):
Whatever Deally does is going to usurp Miles as.

Speaker 4 (57:30):
So me that feels like.

Speaker 6 (57:34):
Detroit wanting to pair him with Hutchinson and go all
in if they can. Washington has been Yeah, you know,
remember when they were trying to get are there.

Speaker 5 (57:45):
They do extensions for him, those two operations.

Speaker 6 (57:48):
Extensions you can always if you sign a new deal,
you can This year can be basically nothing, right.

Speaker 5 (57:52):
Yeah, that's true. Yeah, let's see. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (57:56):
I can't imagine him not being a squealer when this
all gets going.

Speaker 5 (58:00):
I'm with you. I think they gotta go, Okay, this
is what we're doing. We're running it. Zee.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
I think you said it perfectly earlier in the show,
like this seems like a make or break. If this
falls flat on its face, I think the coach is gone. Finally, Yeah,
they this, this whole thing gets blown up and no
holds bar. Anybody's up for on the trade pline, I.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
Think, and I think a lot of people in Pittsburgh,
a lot of Steelers fans probably would say, like, if
this doesn't work, then let's blow it up. Yep, because
they here's the other thing. They don't know what it's
like to be at the bottom, nope, and try to
dig out of it. It's hard, so it's really difficult.

Speaker 6 (58:37):
Lions and Niners have tons of room. Packers have plenty
of room. Eagles have plenty of room.

Speaker 5 (58:45):
Vikings command the Eagles have plenty of room with that roster.
That's what they do with their because they're smart with
how they use their money.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
Just seems like the most talented overall roster in the NFL.
They have a ton of room there.

Speaker 6 (58:58):
They're very with those extensions. But those I mean those
teams commanders have twenty plus. I mean, those teams could
get it done by I mean you're talking Cowboys have
a lot. Lions and Niners have a lot.

Speaker 5 (59:10):
A lot. Yeah, that would be interesting to me.

Speaker 6 (59:13):
And then going forward into twenty six, Yeah, the commanders
have a ton of room.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
Yeah, So then what's the get back and to me
just wouldn't make sense. It's all in is they're in
to not have him, I would assume that he would
be a part of it.

Speaker 6 (59:27):
Well, and it's it's to me, it's like if they
are one foot in or one and a half feet in,
one foot out, TJ. Watt probably allows them to get
a first round pick that would give them two in
next year's draft to go get the quarterback of their future.
And by the way, it would be correct to assume

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that being able to go after a quarterback is more valuable.

Speaker 5 (59:50):
Than having TJ. Watt. It just is. It is.

Speaker 6 (59:52):
Guys, ever, wont a playoff game if they're not wrong.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
The one thing on that though, like and I've said
in regard to us too, like if there is a
Trevor Lawrence viewed athlete at the top of this draft,
two first round picks aren't going to get it done
unless you get a bear situation where they just drafted.

Speaker 5 (01:00:10):
Them, right, that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
So the only way that the only team that could
happen is the Titans. If the Titans get a good
season out of cam Ward and then and yet they're
still bad, that's the one spot where if they pick one,
your two ones would get it done for sure. But
there's nowhere else where.

Speaker 6 (01:00:29):
It's not saying it's guaranteeing you like your choice of
all of them, but with two ones you're going to get.
And this people think right now, Again, we have no
idea what it's going to look like next April. But
right now people think they're like four or five really
good quarterback candidates in the draft.

Speaker 4 (01:00:42):
Who the kid club.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
Nick he's decent at Clemson, one great game against Texas
or flipped him?

Speaker 5 (01:00:52):
Not Smyer, great Northeast Ohio kid, not Smyer. Is that right?
Is that yep? Not Smyers at LSU.

Speaker 6 (01:00:58):
And then now you have all these people talking about
Carson Beck. Again we just did that, I know, but
now they're saying or surgery. This move for him is
going to be like he's going to be like Joe Burrow.

Speaker 4 (01:01:08):
He was a Georgia. Stop it. No one's saying that
he was a I legit read that doesn't mean they're right.

Speaker 5 (01:01:13):
Read everything. You can'tlieve everything.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
Read I don't believe college football. Z he's I mean,
he's a little bit like the character in Draft Day
Teammates can't stand him. Yeah, so there's a little bit
of that with Beck.

Speaker 5 (01:01:27):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
I mean, that's nobody that you just listed. Would you
would it, would you say, even though I wouldn't view
any of the people you just you just listed the
way that we viewed Carson Beck last year coming out
of Georgia.

Speaker 5 (01:01:41):
Nobody thought of cam Ward at this time.

Speaker 4 (01:01:43):
That's why. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (01:01:44):
You don't have any No, but you're positioning yourself to
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
Yeah, it's just the idea that if there is somebody great,
you're gonna be able to do with two ones is
going to get it done.

Speaker 5 (01:01:55):
It's not.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
It's not if someone's great. There is no scenario that
the Bengals would have traded out of Burrow at one.

Speaker 5 (01:02:00):
None.

Speaker 7 (01:02:01):
Oh.

Speaker 6 (01:02:01):
Then there's another guy that keep reading, Uh give me
the school sellers.

Speaker 5 (01:02:05):
Oh jeez, the kid at South Carolina. It's pretty raw, yes,
but seems free talented. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:02:12):
But yeah again, Yeah, because Arch is not till twenty seven.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
He could be next year, but he's not going to be.
He's going to play two years at Texas. That's always
been the plan. So he'll play two years at Texas.
By the way, he's making six seven million dollars at Texas,
why would he.

Speaker 5 (01:02:26):
Not to go to college. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:02:29):
So it's also wild to me that and this is
not trying to be skeptical, it's just weird to me
that he didn't beat out yours.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
Yeah, a lot of uh somebody just wrote, oh, Spurrier
talked about that last week about I did see that
about he said, well, why didn't you?

Speaker 4 (01:02:48):
I didn't see that yours?

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
Yeah. I think I think it makes a little more
sense when you think about what yours was and what
his arm tellents was sure. I mean, they were in
the playoff. They they lost. They lost to Washington yours'
sophomore year late in the game that would have had

(01:03:09):
him playing for a national title. So, and he was
a five star, quote perfect prospect coming out of high school. Yeah,
and then this year they went all the way to
the national semifinal with youers like he's a really you know,
I don't know, I'd say if you're like, yeah, I
also think there were some arrangements. The other thing that
people don't realize about college football is you have boosters

(01:03:30):
who have compensated people to do certain tasks, right, so
that that's in play too there, and Quinn is an
NFL quarterback. He's drafted much later than anybody thought. But
I think that there was probably a little bit of
an arrangement on that side of things. So but no,
there's no guarantee that Arch is gonna be that guy.
There's gonna be his two uncles. Bruce Feldon, by the way,
who we met on, wrote a great piece about Arch's upbringing.

(01:03:53):
Everybody assumes that like Peyton and Eli were all over it. No,
they were in their careers raising their own family. Either
one of them lived in New Orleans. This was Cooper
and his wife at Peyton and Eli's older brother, and
then obviously his grandparents are around because they live in
New Orleans too. But like, it's not like he was
being raised by Peyton Manning.

Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
Correct, right is uncle Peyton? Yeah, have to see him
on holidays, said, and I watched him on.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
Sunday five or six times a year, like you know
exactly Manning passing academy stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:04:21):
And that was about it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
And Cooper in that piece that he doesn't think that
Eli ever saw him play, ever saw Arch play in
high school. That's like in person because he was in
the NFL. You know he couldn't, just not the way
it works. A couple other things around the sports world,
the WNBA announced date that will be expanding to Cleveland, Detroit,
and Philly. The Cleveland team will begin playing in twenty

(01:04:44):
twenty eight, so that's very cool. That's another cool thing
for Downtown and that league is I will give him
a lot of credit. They're being very smart with the
pace of their expansion. So these three teams will get
him to eighteen teams by twenty twenty eight. And I
do think that the talent level will be good enough

(01:05:06):
by that point to be able to support that, because
you don't want to overexpand when you don't have the talent,
so they can do that. EA Sports announcing today they're
bringing back the NCAA college basketball game.

Speaker 5 (01:05:16):
Did you have it? I did? I did too, of course,
but right it was awesome. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:05:25):
I think the best part of this game will be
when you can have like throwback teams, if they can
do that like college basketball now. And I know it's
even in football. It's part of it. The portal and
everybody moving around every year and all of that. But
and this is totally an old man get off my lawn.
But yeah, I posit that best teams, especially if they

(01:05:47):
were acclimated to you know, more of the modern game,
but from a Townsend butt like of like the late eighties,
early nineties into the early two thousands, would smoke all
these teams today because they were actually teams and more talented.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
No, what it'll be banking on is the same thing
that the college football banks on, which is the atmosphere
of it in the field.

Speaker 4 (01:06:04):
That's I don't think it has.

Speaker 5 (01:06:07):
It's not that. I mean, college football is the second most
popular sport in.

Speaker 6 (01:06:09):
This if March Madness didn't exist, how people are watching
regular college basketball games. No, and it's not like it was.
No you know, they blew duke teams, the great Kentucky.

Speaker 5 (01:06:21):
The NBA blew it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
The NBA could have followed the NFL's absolute model and
done a three years removed from high school. They could
have done it. And if they had done it, then
they would be drafting. Can you imagine Cooper Flag and
two more years of duke and then that Kneppel kid
go fourth they had three in the time. Then yeah, yeah,
so you to run those guys, that's a project.

Speaker 5 (01:06:43):
Those guys.

Speaker 4 (01:06:44):
You had a team that.

Speaker 6 (01:06:45):
Had Larry Johnson, Greg Anthony Stacey Ogman on it and
Anderson Hunt and George Echols. But those big and they
played two years in a row together. Oh you had
in Duke when you had like Laightoner and Thomas Hill,
Grand Hill and four years early like yes, Thomas was it?
Thomas Davis, Thomas Thomas Hill, Antonio Davis.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
Antonio, Yeah, Antonio Davis, Yeah, Brian Davis, Brian Brian Davis.

Speaker 5 (01:07:12):
Antonio almost said lang Antonio lang Lang. Yeah, Yeah, I
was gonna say lang about I guess can you imagine
what those guys would have made an nil?

Speaker 4 (01:07:21):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:07:23):
Yes, So, like you know, you could have done all
of that with that cal.

Speaker 6 (01:07:27):
With Bosman, you had Lamon Murray and Jason Kidd for
multiple years to the other like it's just it's there's.

Speaker 5 (01:07:31):
None of it. No, I'm an it won't be as
big as their college game is a massive hit.

Speaker 4 (01:07:36):
In that time.

Speaker 6 (01:07:38):
In those eras, I could have named probably the starting
lives for the top twenty and obviously multiple teams I
could have done like their top eight guys. And now
I don't think I could name eight people in college
basketball today.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
No, probably not because you know, they don't stick around
and then they bounce even more so, so like they perpetually.

Speaker 6 (01:07:59):
The game to me will be cool if you can
go back and play.

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
It'll be cool if you can do like the creative
player thing and be recruited and do all that. That's
what the kids will want to do. And then if
you can take that player and put it into NBA,
which of course you can do, well, no, it's EA,
so that won't be able to go into two K,
it'll have to go.

Speaker 6 (01:08:18):
Into an EF. You can take yeah, into the next game.

Speaker 5 (01:08:22):
Yeah, No, that's what you would That's what you would
want to do.

Speaker 6 (01:08:24):
Is to be and they do that in madd And
can you be like a college recurt and then take
your player and important.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
Because you can import the rosters or the draft classes
in so you can't do that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
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Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
All right, I'll just say this. This will be sports washing,
because that's what documentaries are now they're sports washing. But
Jimmy Johnson participated, you did. He's in the trailer for
the Cowboys, Yes, pretty he's prominently featured. So that tells
me now that might have been part of a condition

(01:09:10):
on him finally getting into the ring of water for
Jerry too. But that tells me that there will at
least be some transparency about what happened after ninety three
because they win the two Super Bowls and then he
fires him for Switzer, right, yeah, and that was as

(01:09:30):
a kid, that was a shocking a thing. Ever, Yeah,
like that was an all time shocking thing. Yes, what
happened there? And they won two super Bowls? They fired him,
then they hired Switzer. Niners win a ninety four, Switzer
wins it ninety five, and then he's gone shortly thereafter.

(01:09:52):
But that if you get the real truth on that,
that is why is their regret because Jerry hasn't been
close sense, No, not since correct, it's a long time, No,
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All right, we're twenty five years in quarter century team
made up of players since two thousand. We are including
the nineteen ninety nine team as well in this. So

(01:11:28):
the idea here is we will pick the offense this week.
Gibbe's first question is, how do you want this offense
to look?

Speaker 5 (01:11:36):
Best?

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
Eleven one running back, two running back, three wide receivers.
What should the breakdown be? Should be the best fifty three? Well,
fifty three or start? I think we do starters.

Speaker 5 (01:11:47):
I think fifty three would get kind of one.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
Yeah, I want to go starters. Yeah, I think we
go starters. I think if you do fifty three, it's
you're gonna have.

Speaker 4 (01:11:54):
You have two quarterbacks, three running receivers.

Speaker 5 (01:11:57):
I think I think just starters. My vote be just
for starters.

Speaker 6 (01:12:01):
I think it'll be. We could I mean, we could
do both. I could be that I could add on
what the.

Speaker 5 (01:12:04):
Fifty three, you could add all the way to the
fifty three. I don't think it'd be hard at all.

Speaker 3 (01:12:08):
Honestly, I think you would find some positions could be
a little tougher.

Speaker 5 (01:12:12):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
I think in the yeah, and the two thousands would
be a real hole for me in terms of remembering
who was.

Speaker 5 (01:12:17):
Good good news. I've compiled the list nine doc to
get us through this week.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
But even the even the idea of having some sort
of perspective on how good players were on bad teams
in the two thousands would be really tough.

Speaker 5 (01:12:29):
When you think about a fifty three.

Speaker 4 (01:12:31):
I think I really don't think it'd be I'm telling
you right now, wouldn't be.

Speaker 5 (01:12:33):
You give it a shot. You can give it a shot. Yeah,
I don't think it'd be tough at all.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
Give it a shot, all right, So if we do
fifty three, then you still have to name starters though, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:12:47):
Yeah, of course I've got that.

Speaker 5 (01:12:49):
I've got them depth charted out. Somebody's done their homework.
Mister Emory's done his homework on this. Very good. All right,
let's go.

Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
What happens when you got to feed a baby in
the middle of the night and you're away five after
the baby goes?

Speaker 5 (01:13:01):
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
So on your fifty three? What is your breakdown? So
I know what parameters I'm dealing with?

Speaker 5 (01:13:06):
Numeric we go through, but we we're gonna we're gonna
go because we're doing just quarterbacks today, just picking our quarterbacks.

Speaker 6 (01:13:11):
We're gonna go for twenty five to twenty five offense, defense. Okay,
we'll go for twenty five to twenty five.

Speaker 5 (01:13:16):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
Here are the list of quarterbacks we will be choosing
from to make the roster. The number one pick, the
first ever pick of this franchise when it returned. Tim
Couch is on this list. Kelly Holcombe is on this list.
There's a bunch of guys on this list. You've all
seen the jersey, but these are the highlights. Derek Anderson,
Brady Quinn, Colt McCoy, Josh McCown, Baker, Mayfield, and Joe Flacco.

(01:13:42):
That is your list of quarterbacks, among others. If there's
other guys who pop out, I guess you could you
could put them on there as well. But those are
some of the principal ones that you're looking out for
on that front. This is difficult because I mean, did
Derek Anderson have the best quarterback season or was Baker's
your first year with Stefanski the best?

Speaker 6 (01:14:03):
So Anderson's the only one of these guys that was
a Pro bowler at any point in this.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
Bakes made a Pro Bowl, didn't he has an alternate
then he did? I thought he did.

Speaker 6 (01:14:12):
Let's see it's he didn't have a star when I
glanced quickly. No, He's made the Pro Bowl twice, both
in the last two years in Tampa. Baker's best season
with US was twenty sixty three percent completions, twenty six touchdowns,
eight picks, thirty five sixty three.

Speaker 5 (01:14:26):
Yards ninety five point nine raiding.

Speaker 6 (01:14:29):
Anderson his best year was that two thousand and seven
year where he threw for thirty eight hundred yards, twenty
nine touchdowns, nineteen picks and was a Pro Bowler.

Speaker 4 (01:14:43):
There hasn't been great quarterback play.

Speaker 6 (01:14:44):
Let's be honest, But I mean I had if I
was going to go with, you know, three in the
quarterback room, my three would be I think Bak is
your starter.

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
Bakes Bake had the best sustained quarterback play the franchise
has had since it returned.

Speaker 5 (01:14:59):
And has had had the best single season, maybe had
the best single season.

Speaker 6 (01:15:03):
Yeah, and I get, like I said, one the only
Pro Bowl, but yeah, Bakes Bakes time here was sixty
two percent completions, ninety two touchdowns, fifty six picks, eighty
eight rating. And granted, things are very different, you know,
from a rating standpoint, even from the early two thousands
in terms of what like the average expected quarterback rating
and completion percent and all that stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:15:23):
Is Anderson's thing is so strange because it's really just
the one year.

Speaker 4 (01:15:29):
Yep, that's all it is.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
He's unbelieve he's great. He basically had one year of
what Flacco had.

Speaker 3 (01:15:35):
From the number of players from that year in two
thousand and seven that just had, they were on pace
for Hall of Fame numbers. And then we're never heard.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
Like a guy just just the three big the two
biggest pass catchers, and Anderson with Winslow and Edwards.

Speaker 5 (01:15:50):
Yeah, like, and there was no reason.

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
And you were, of the three of us, you were
the closest to it, Gibbe, because you were here then, Z,
but you weren't, like you weren't with the Browns at
that point, right, there was no reason to believe that
that couldn't run it back in eight. You started the
next season against the Cowboys in the late window, the
national game of the week. Yeah, that's how you started
the next year.

Speaker 3 (01:16:14):
Romeo Crenell, great coach, Yeah, good guy.

Speaker 5 (01:16:20):
You had a great front office. Everybody was in lockstep.
All of a sudden. You had this great mix of
veterans and young guys. Yeah, and they all blossom.

Speaker 3 (01:16:29):
Your first round draft that year was Joe Thomas and
Brady Quinn. And Brady Quinn does since he the field
because Derrick Anderson has the mother of all seasons. Now,
Charlie Fry started that right and had the arguably the
worst season opener of a game since they came back. Well,

(01:16:49):
the first game in ninety nine when everybody was like, oh, excited,
football's back, Football's back, and Pittspuke came in here and
I don't know if we crushed midfield to the third quarter,
and you were like, m all right, this is gonna
take that game. In two thousand and seven, to kick
off the season was just as bad. You trade Fry
and then Anderson puts up fifty one on the Bengals.

(01:17:09):
They win like fifty one forty eight, and they take
off well.

Speaker 2 (01:17:12):
And the other thing about that was is Fry was
the starter. It was a feel good story from the
year before. But they drafted Quinn. Quinn fell out of
the kind of came out of nowhere to be available.
Brady became available. I was at his first game when
he led a fourth quarter comeback in a preseason game
and the place went nuts and got us a win.

(01:17:35):
And I was working at the CBS affiliated Columbus at
that time, and he came on with me after.

Speaker 5 (01:17:39):
I mean, it was crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
He's aid Dublin kid, and you think, in my god,
it's Brady Quinn's going to be the guy. So Quinn
was there, and then Anderson wins the job, plays well,
which leads to what happened in eight just one of
the strangest one year ten win seasons ever. Honestly, when
you think of all of the factors that led to that.
So yes, bakes the no brainer. Anderson's on there. I

(01:18:05):
think bakes the starter.

Speaker 6 (01:18:07):
Baked starter of Anderson second, and just that tells you
where we're at.

Speaker 4 (01:18:11):
I have Joe Flacco as.

Speaker 5 (01:18:12):
The third quarterback. See, I totally disagree. That's Couch. I'm
with you because it's.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
Couch to me had five games, he had thought and
he was Also, he's also a Raven. I mean he's
he is a He's a super Bowl champion with the Ravens.
I don't think he can be on our twenty five
year team for five starts.

Speaker 6 (01:18:30):
As much as I like five games were more impactful
and more fun than any five game stretch in that period,
that doesn't belong to either Bake or Derek Anderson.

Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
Also, the roster was exponentially better and it became different. Hey,
I'm with Gibbe on that.

Speaker 6 (01:18:48):
I think it's Tim Couch and his time with the
Browns was twenty two and thirty seventy, threw more picks
than and completed passes.

Speaker 5 (01:18:55):
I know think you can do that with the record.

Speaker 2 (01:18:56):
No fair, It's the worst thing that the NFL ever did.
It's the worst thing in the NFL ever did do.
An expansion team and they learned.

Speaker 6 (01:19:03):
From fair to him again, but unfortunately it's you never
had a quarterback rating in the eighties if you were
to drop him in a completely different situation with his talent,
and it's so unfair to him that that's where ended up,
just like it's unfair to David Carr that he ended
up where he did in Houston at the time. The
way they did that instead of doing it like they
did for Carolina and Jacksonville when it was like Mark Burdellen,

(01:19:27):
like loaded teams.

Speaker 4 (01:19:29):
It's not fair. But like, that's why we're talking a
third quarterback.

Speaker 5 (01:19:37):
And then it's just Baker and you're good.

Speaker 4 (01:19:38):
But it just seems weird.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
I think it's almost better for it almost be better
if you don't want to go couch. It would almost
be better if it's like McCown or something like it.
Flacco is just a Raven. I mean, I love him,
We love him.

Speaker 5 (01:19:51):
He was here. He was unbelievable for five games.

Speaker 6 (01:19:53):
But he's just he won a super he was the
franchise quarterback of the Raven.

Speaker 4 (01:19:57):
It can't be if he doesn't McCown.

Speaker 3 (01:20:01):
He broke his leg the year they went to the playoffs,
and Da came in. It took the whole gun count.
It took him to the playoffs. But like, we might
just only have two quarterbacks.

Speaker 5 (01:20:14):
That might be the solution. There might only be two
quarterbacks on this Rostler, although we got to make sure we're.

Speaker 6 (01:20:20):
Get because I think we could have ten offensive linemen easy.

Speaker 5 (01:20:23):
And that's something will be easy later.

Speaker 4 (01:20:25):
But all right, so we'll go two quarterbacks.

Speaker 5 (01:20:27):
That's fine.

Speaker 6 (01:20:27):
Nobody's honestly. Flacco is recency. He's the first guy ever
to throw three hundred yards in five straight games through
thirteen touchdowns the game.

Speaker 4 (01:20:38):
It takes us to the playoffs. It was magical.

Speaker 6 (01:20:40):
If you think of over the time that time is
is the three happiest times you had were Bacon twenty,
Flacco here, and probably Da in two thousand and.

Speaker 5 (01:20:51):
Seven, well didn't count. Couch had a hulkom started the
playoff game though against Pittsburgh, right, but Couch also had
the Hail Mary win in New Orleans.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
Is that New Orleans? I mean that's before my time,
So you you're the only one of us has a
point of reference on Couches. I like the feeling around
Couch at that disingenuous for me to sit here and.

Speaker 4 (01:21:13):
The Couch just deserved to be somewhere else. I know that.

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
What I'm curious about, though, is on the Couch run,
what was the feeling around the franchise and him at that.

Speaker 4 (01:21:27):
Poor Tim Couch got cheered for getting hurt.

Speaker 2 (01:21:29):
No, no, I know I understand that, but like in terms,
I agree, and I think he's I think him and
David Dead David Carr are probably the two examples of just.

Speaker 5 (01:21:39):
Got bad spots.

Speaker 2 (01:21:41):
Like if Couch goes to Philly place for Andy Reid,
it's a totally different situation. Right, he very well could
have been. But what were the moments around Couch, Like Gibbe,
what do you remember about those?

Speaker 3 (01:21:53):
He was he had all the talent in the world.
Matt Fontana just text me. He goes, yeah, yeah, a
high school line in front of him. It was like
he never had a chance.

Speaker 5 (01:22:04):
He would have moments and six times he he.

Speaker 3 (01:22:08):
Would have moments where he would make plays. And you're
just like like, if if you had star power, if
you had a running back, if you had an offensive.

Speaker 4 (01:22:16):
Line, Yes, it's not his fault.

Speaker 5 (01:22:18):
Kevin Johnson and that was.

Speaker 6 (01:22:21):
By the way, until recently, Kevin Johnson had more catches.

Speaker 4 (01:22:24):
We went through that than anybody since two thousand.

Speaker 2 (01:22:27):
Yeah, yeah, if you who was it Pluto who wrote
the book about why they did that, why they did
the Browns the way they did in terms of why
did they not give give the Browns the same advantage
as Jacksonville.

Speaker 5 (01:22:42):
And Carolina hasten.

Speaker 2 (01:22:43):
Because like that jackson was the NFL just like we
can't have these teams be this good.

Speaker 5 (01:22:48):
This correct it was.

Speaker 3 (01:22:51):
It was Jacksonville and Carolina went to the AFC and
NFC championships.

Speaker 5 (01:22:55):
Like right away and they were like two years we know,
like that's.

Speaker 3 (01:23:00):
The expansion draft was you had, you had your pick
from the bottom ten of every team in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (01:23:05):
And what sucks about that is like what the NHL
has done with their expansion with Vegas and Seattle, is
I mean Vegas already won a Cup because they didn't
allow you to protect enough players. You got like ready
made guys and they there should have been Is it
right for an expansion team to play for a Super
Bowl not then the first or get to a championship
game in the first two years? No, but it also

(01:23:26):
shouldn't be five years of digging out.

Speaker 6 (01:23:29):
So receiver was Kevin Johnson. The second leading receiver was
Terry Kirby, third was Darren Chiverini. The leading rusher was
Terry Kirby. The second leading rusher was Kareem Abdul Jabbar.

Speaker 5 (01:23:45):
I mean that's what we're throwing out.

Speaker 3 (01:23:48):
Everybody should everybody had a couch Jersey, Well, yeah, I
mean everybody anything. They if he has any success at all,
I'm I can say this with confidence, if he has
any sustained success, he's right up.

Speaker 5 (01:24:04):
There with Bernie.

Speaker 2 (01:24:05):
Oh no doubt, oh no, because yeah, such a mess.

Speaker 5 (01:24:10):
But it just yeah, it's amazing.

Speaker 6 (01:24:13):
He never I mean he didn't play again after twenty
six years of age.

Speaker 5 (01:24:17):
Yeah, just so beaten up.

Speaker 2 (01:24:18):
Well that car was like that car didn't last much
longer than that either, correct, just absolutely beaten.

Speaker 5 (01:24:24):
All right, so let's go too. Bacon, Bacon, Derek Anderson. Okay,
we love you, Joe, but Bacon Derek Anderson.

Speaker 4 (01:24:30):
That's I love Joe, I love Josh.

Speaker 2 (01:24:32):
Yeah, a lot of good dudes here. Yeah, all right,
So there you go.

Speaker 5 (01:24:36):
We're do running backs tomorrow. Give back. Sure, we just
do a short segment. You're coming back.

Speaker 6 (01:24:41):
By the way, there's a name that's not on the
running back list that I'm going to make a lobby
for it to be on the football team.

Speaker 5 (01:24:45):
That's just a spoil. You just picked up a spot
then for him. Yeah, there you go, hal four in there.
Anyway you want to play Polozolo next, Yeah, we can
do that.

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Speaker 8 (01:25:38):
Starting point, Miles Garrett demanded a trade. Instead of trading
one of the best players in the NFL, they've extended
him and got him locked into a new contract, albeit
you know, one of the most expensive contracts in the NFL.
But they've gone from their best player wanted at the
door too he's happy again.

Speaker 5 (01:25:55):
That's good. Right.

Speaker 8 (01:25:56):
You can debate how they got there, but they took
the They ended up with the quarterback I would have
taken at number two, like I would have taken Shud
or Sanders, just because I think they need a way
out of that. They got him in the fifth round,
so they got the same guy, and they're paying him
like a fraction of the money they would be paying
him if they got him at number two. And they
got an extra roll of the dice, like a bonus

(01:26:17):
lottery ticket with Dylan Gabriel in the third round as well.
So you can argue that if they didn't think that
those two guys really had a chance of being that
answer that their process is way better than mine.

Speaker 5 (01:26:29):
Right, Why we.

Speaker 8 (01:26:30):
Don't think he's worth this spot. So we're gonna trust
that we're that the draft is correct and let every
let him slide till Day three and then we'll make
a couple of moves and trade down and pick up
the extra first round pick next year. And as much
as you know Travis Hunter is special, he's unique, He's
somebody that hasn't come along for decades, I still think

(01:26:53):
the smart move is to pick up the first round
pick for next year. If for no other reason, then
you need the quarterback, not the guy that plays corner
wide receiver.

Speaker 5 (01:27:02):
This is why I.

Speaker 7 (01:27:03):
Think the Jags Browns trade was a win win in
the Jag situation, can one say star player make an
impact on the team in Jacksonville? I think absolutely, Because
you have a quarterback, you have a star receiver, You've
got some talent on the defensive side. Do you add
one Travis Hunter to the mix there that moves the needle?
In Cleveland where the entire offensive line is unsigned for

(01:27:26):
next year, you have questions at receiver, your secondary is
unsigned for next year. You have one, one or two
dependable defensive lineman. Is Travis Hunter moving the needle there?
Or is it Travis Hunter plus Mason Travis Hunter versus
Mason Graham plus the two extra picks plus next year's first.

Speaker 4 (01:27:46):
It was just a better move for the Browns.

Speaker 7 (01:27:48):
And to your point, like if we said before the draft, look,
they're gonna forget however you want to care about our
quarterback rankings, but they got our number two and four
quarterbacks respectively, and Mason Graham in next year's first round
pick and an extra two that's a huge win for
me in the draft of the Browns.

Speaker 5 (01:28:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:28:06):
The other point that I would make that I don't
think comes up enough is there is a pretty sizable
chance that Mason Graham is a better player than Travis Hunter.
Like I know, Travis Hunter is seen of a special
and unique and what if he's able to play wide
receiver in court, Like Mason Graham is one of the
top five players in this draft, you know, if it
wasn't for some weird measurements like shorter than ideal arms

(01:28:29):
and he weighed in twenty pounds lower than he was
supposed to. Like his tape says he's the top five player.

Speaker 5 (01:28:34):
In this draft.

Speaker 8 (01:28:35):
They may have gotten the better player in addition to
the first round draft pick as well. Like there's a
sizable chance that that is the case. Maybe not the
most likely case, but a sizable chance that they got
the better player in addition to a first round draft
pick next year. I think this is pure hate for
the Browns for no particularly good reason. I think they've

(01:28:55):
done a good job overall, given some challenging circums.

Speaker 5 (01:29:00):
We agree, Welshmore to come.

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Speaker 2 (01:29:31):
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Speaker 5 (01:29:36):
Couple of big trades in the league.

Speaker 4 (01:29:37):
Yeah, it's great to have you back.

Speaker 5 (01:29:38):
Great to be back.

Speaker 6 (01:29:40):
By the way, gibbe, Yes, I'm gonna give you three guesses.
I added one running back to this list. I'm gonna
give you three guesses if you can name that running back,
and I'm gonna make the case for him to be
on this team.

Speaker 3 (01:29:54):
I don't have the back in front of me. I
don't have the list in front of me.

Speaker 6 (01:29:58):
Your list is Nick Chubb yep, Jamal Lewis YEP, Coacaw,
Isaiah Crowell, Peyton Hillis, Kareem Hunt, Deernest Johnson, Run, William Run,
Reuben Drones, Duke Johnson, Trent Richardson, and Jerome Ford.

Speaker 5 (01:30:25):
I don't know who I'm missing. The person you're missing
Terry Kirby.

Speaker 4 (01:30:31):
Lee Suggs had at.

Speaker 6 (01:30:32):
One point three straight one hundred yard games, including two
thirty plus in a game.

Speaker 3 (01:30:40):
Oh, Harrison, Jerome Harrison against the Chiefs. Yeah, Jerome Harrison.

Speaker 5 (01:30:47):
Jerome Harrison.

Speaker 6 (01:30:48):
The final three games of that year led the NFL
and rushing by like one hundred and fifty yards.

Speaker 5 (01:30:53):
That while, yeah, we'll do running backs tomorrow. I'm gonna
try to get him on this team. There you go.

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