Talking QBs with Andrew Siciliano - Cleveland Browns Daily - 6.23.25

Browns play by play voice Andrew Siciliano hosts this Monday edition of CBD where you'll hear his exclusive one-on-one interview with Browns Cornerbacks coach Brandon Lynch (1:20:36). Also hear from NFL.com writer Daniel Jeremiah who joined the "The Rich Eisen Show" to talk about the Browns QB competition (45:21).

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:07):
This Country Mortgage Campus in Barria, Ohio. This is Cleveland
Brown's Daily, presented by Bally BTT, an official sports betting
partner of your Cleveland Brown's on eight p fifty ESPN, Cleveland.
Here are your hosts Bo Bishop and Nathan Zegura.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Can I interest you in a reasonable facsimile of both? Maybe? Maybe? Hi? Everybody,
hope you had a great weekend. In place of Bo,
who I'm envisioning right now is staring into the distance
in Montana, much like a transition scene in Yellowstone, arm

(00:49):
up on the fence, just a depensive stare to the horizon. Well.
Undoubtedly his kids, although not adult kids like in the show,
are fighting somewhere, maybe even punch his throne. In place
of Bo, you have me today. Hi, my name is
Andrew Ciciliano. Thanks for being here and in place of

(01:10):
one Nathan Zegura today. I don't know if his golf
game is as good, his hair game is definitely better.
That would be my partner, not only in the booth,
my other partner in the booth. We have many partners
in the booth. With my partner on the BPA, the
best pod available. He is the Georgia Mirrason to me,

(01:34):
Billy Crystal Jason Gibbs, how the heck are.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
You, Ceciliano, it's a pleasure number one, number two, I'm
told that. I think it's a travel day for the
Bishop family.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Oh got it? Sorry, so no, no, no.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
They were in Maryland for Lacrosse Madness all weekend and
then had a six hour drive home yesterday to turn
around and fly to Montana today.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
This morning, they did a drive back from Maryland. They
did the Pennsylvania Turnpike, they did the whole Breezewood thing,
and now they have to get on a plane undoubtedly
with a connection, because you're not flying Cleveland of Montana.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
Diright, I'm pretty sure probably Minneapolis. That seems to be
the connection of choice.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
So they're Delta family. I got it. But they had
to drive through Breezwood with kids in the back seat yesterday.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
Yeah, that's probably. I bet that's going real well, and
I bet Bo is ready for another vacation without the
other members of his family.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
So I've never done that drive as an adult with
the kids in the back seat. I have been the
kid in the back seat for years because I grew
up not in Maryland, but down the road in Virginia
and we meaning me and my brother would be four
years the kids in the back seat going from the
DC area to Cleveland, going through Breezwood, getting stuck on

(02:56):
how many ever blocks of chain Red Strawn. Hell. That
was but as kids, you know, all those restaurants were
great and then eventually ending up at Northeast Ohio. But
those were the days. Either way, hope everyone had a
fantastic weekend. Bo and Nathan are back. I don't know when,
sometime soon, but today you get me and you get Gibbey,
and yeah, there is no good football news today.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
There's nothing going on.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
There is nothing going on to the football world because
this is the time of the calendar in which everybody
goes away. Now we could discuss your door, Sanders and
what happened with the speeding tickets. We can do that
because I know CBD was not on last week. We
can and we will discuss the Browns secondary Coming up
in this fabulous two hour radio program, we'll talk to
Brown's cornerback coach Brandon Lynch. That's an interview we did

(03:43):
about ten days ago when Brown's mandatory mini camp was
wrapping up. We'll say hey, do they actually have the
safeties in the room that they need in the room.
And we'll look at a corner depth as well. Huge
seasons coming up for both Greg Newsom and MJ Emerson
as they both are basically in their contract years, their
walk ears, and what do they do as the Browns

(04:03):
defense tries to get back to the number one defense
we saw back in twenty twenty three. But if you're
looking for some huge NFL headline today, I don't know
that we have it. We have tight End, you you know,
the thing that George Kittle got together a couple of
years ago, meeting in Nashville. Tomorrow, ESPN and NFL Live
will be there, Laura Rutledge and Dani Rolofski and that
whole crew if you want to watch on the TV tomorrow.

(04:25):
No Browns tight ends, by the way, at at least
initially announced at tight End. You do I care? No,
I don't. We'll do that later. But let's get to
what went down this weekend, which is, oh yeah, by
the way, Game seven of the NBA Finals. Full disclosure,
are not rooting for anybody. I was not one of
these people, and it's different with the Browns, but I

(04:48):
am not one of these people that will maybe you
know what, I'm not different. I'm different with both the
Browns of the Guardians. I guess for the Calves, one
of these people that had to root against the Pacers
because they knocked the Calves out. But I get it.
If that's what you are, I totally get it. But

(05:09):
there's a difference between rooting against the Pacers and feeling
comfortable in your in your heart, and in your gut
as a sports fan as to how this went down.
If Indiana had been able to pull this off last
night at a game seven, and if you're just waking
up and you, I don't know, went on a bender
over the weekend. He didn't see what happened Oklahoma City

(05:30):
one game set.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
I did go on a bender, you did? I still
know a Gary bender, Not a Gary bender, but just
a bender. I was golfing in Niagara Falls for three days.
Ninety holes in three days, buddy, I'm sorry me and
I still know what what what went on last night?
Should I tell everybody?

Speaker 4 (05:48):
Should know?

Speaker 2 (05:49):
How the heck was your weekend portion of the show?
We get to the sports?

Speaker 3 (05:53):
Nah, we got time, we got time. I'm just saying
I even know what's going on. And I made it
through the game and watched my first NBA Finals game
from start to finish this.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Year, this year, but not ever obviously correct. Okay, would
you have watched it? Did you only watch because it
was Game seven?

Speaker 3 (06:10):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (06:11):
And were you rooting against Indiana?

Speaker 3 (06:14):
I actually, Jake Trotter will kill me, But congratulations to
the whole Trotter family. They're from Oklahoma City, and I
know that they're excited and ecstatic.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
Say that moments ago.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
Yeah, I was. I was rooting for Indiana. I just
think it's such a it's such a big basketball state.
Going to their arena in Indianapolis is great. Their fans
are really good, great scrappy team. I mean, they got
the best of us, and I was My thought was, well,
if they win, then I feel a little more validated.

(06:46):
We lost to the champions.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
Okay, See, I'm not that kind of fan. Like for example,
last year, I was rooting hard against the Yankees. The
heck with the Yankees. They knocked the Guardians out. Was
there for Games three, four, and five at Progressive Field,
and then the sight of Juan Soto hit that homer
in Game six, were a game five bigger pardon is
still it is a it is a lasting scarn, my psyche.
So I was rooting against the Yankees, and I always

(07:08):
will to this day. I rooted against the Denver Broncos.
Full disclosure, although I'm not I've grown up. I'm an adult,
I'm a man, I'm fifty, as Mike Gundy one said,
but you know, the Broncos ruined my childhood eighty six,
eighty seven, and eighty nine. I once told John Elway
that he couldn't care less and Rich Carlos still missed
the damn kick. Okay, so I will always have that
in my heart.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
I wanted to fight John Elway. I mean, would I
fight John Elway? I wanted to fight him, Like the
first time we went to Denver and I ended up
in a hallway one on one, and I was like,
I can take this.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
Steuche dude, come on, do you have to call him that?
I call him horse face? Actually, okay, I've never had
an issue with him personally. It's not his fault. They're
Rich Carlas's missed field goal was ruled good right, But.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
You know it's the great I mean, I have to
like him.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
It's the greatest miss field goal to ever send a
team to a super Bowl. Of all the missed field
goals that is ever that have ever sent a team
to a super Bowl, that is one of them. I digress.
I was not one of the people that was rooting
against Indiana. Go down their long basketball history of what ifs.
I mean, what if Jordan wasn't there, what if the
heat weren't there? What if what if Paul George hadn't

(08:23):
gotten hurt, Oladipo hadn't gotten hurt. There's a long list
of what is for the Indiana Pacers. What if Tyre's
Halliburton hadn't gotten hurt? Would they have won the game?
I don't know, but I was Therefore we're all there
for it. You buckle up on a Sunday at a
game seven, you get a good meal going, you open
a beer, and you say, this is why we love sports,
and we didn't get that's yeah, No, I was very sad.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
I just I wanted something down the wire.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
It was a gut punch and listen, I know there
are people that don't like him because he did the
choking sign more than a few times after hitting big
shots of the postseason. I totally get that. I know
there are people that don't like him because I don't
like the way his dad popped off. Totally get that
he's not his father. All right, Gibby, you're not your father.
Anyone listening to the car you're not your father as well,
So you know, cut him some slack on that. But

(09:12):
when he went down, and when you understand that this
had been an issue for those who only tuned in
for Game seven and see the guy terror's achilles and go,
oh it happens, bad luck. No, no, no, no no,
there had been signs. Obviously, he only played twenty three
minutes in Game five. He wasn't much of a factor

(09:33):
in Game six. TJ. McConnell had to take over Game six. Right,
this had been building, This had been a legitimate injury concern.
He went out there for Game seven. Okay, we saw
Donavan Mitchell deal with a calf injury during the postseason
as well. They're real, they're legit. We've seen Kevin Durant
blow a calf. We've seen Jason Tatum blow a calf.
We've seen Damian Lillard blow a calf this year as well.

(09:55):
It happens. We obviously saw it for Deshaun Watson last
year in game in Week seven for the Browns at
Huntingdon bank Field. So you never know when it's going
to happen. It comes out of nowhere. If any of
you are in your thirties or forties, be careful when
you're out there on the pickup court.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
That's right, Yeah, I mean, men of our agent.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
Happens. It just happens, whether you're an elite, skinny legged
athlete like Tyree's Halliburton, whether you're the guy at the
gym or the guy playing pickleball or the guy playing tennis.
Every time I played tennis, I tell my buddy, hey,
hit it right to me, because I ain't chasing that
ball to the corner. Are you kidding me? Right? I'm
not doing a sudden start and stop and the left
and the right and the lateral movement. I'm not. But

(10:36):
Tyre's Halliburton went out there for a game seven and
he played, because of course he played. Imagine if he
had not played. But he got hurt and we and
he not.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
We.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
It's not about us, it's about them. They, the Indiana
Pacers were robbed of a chance to win that championship. Now,
to their credit, TJ McConnell battled the rest of that
team battle. They actually had a lead heading into the half.
But SGA is an MVP for a reason. The Oklahoma
City Thunder had the fifth best regular season win total

(11:10):
in NBA history for a reason. And they're the better team,
and they pulled away and they're a great team. Now, Please,
enough of the screaming head shows talking about legacy and
like I turned on the TV this morning, I'm not
calling out names, but they're having the is this putting

(11:32):
SGA in the Hall of Fame already conversation? Please stop it?

Speaker 3 (11:37):
Why?

Speaker 2 (11:37):
And the NBA is far, far, far worse than the
other sports with this. Anything happens in the NBA. We
have to go to the legacy conversation. Why can't we
enjoy a team in the moment for what it is,
and that is an MVP leading his team in a
game seven to a championship. Both can be true. Oklahoma

(11:59):
City is a great champion. SGA deserves the praise, Okay,
as does the rest of that roster, as does Sam
roster for Sam Presty rather for building that roster. And
it was heartbreaking to see what happened to Tyreesee Halliburton,
and I would have loved to have seen I would
have loved to have seen Indiana win and Halliburton wheeled

(12:22):
back out there to hold up the Larry O'Brien. That
would have been one of those awesome No matter what
you think about the guys, or the team, or the
city or anything in Indiana, that would have been one
of those. Man, it hits my heart right here. Great
sports moments. Both can be true, all right. You could

(12:43):
praise Oklahoma City and you could say, man, I feel
for Halliburton and that team, because this isn't just a
we lose Game seven injury. This is a what do
we do next year injury?

Speaker 3 (13:02):
Yeah? Exactly? How about this? How about this? Three NBA
stars in the postseason Lillard, Tatum, Halibern, all wear zero,
all torn achilles.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Oh wow, I hadn't thought of the number of thing
the jersey, but all three of those teams obviously have
to look towards the next year already, right, like, yeah,
you're effect next season. Same thing with the Browns obviously.
When Deshaun Watson reinjury the achilles in December. Regardless of
what you think the quarterback depth star should have been
or whether the team should have been looking to move on.
It doesn't matter when the injury happens in December. When
the injury happens here in the NBA in the postseason,

(13:37):
you immediately say, all right, what does this mean for
next year? And for these guys in the NBA it
knocks them out at least half of the year, at
least at a minimum, and then you have to wonder
aloud when they do come back, how quickly, and maybe
quickly is the wrong way to say it. How long
does it take? And it's not going to be a

(13:59):
short runway. It's a long runway to get back to
the game changing form that all three of those players
once had. Game sevens are awesome, Gibbie. I have been
very fortunate to go to two game sevens NBA Game sevens.
I was there when the Lakers and Kobe beat the

(14:21):
Celtics in the Game seven and what was that eleven?
I think now was ten in ten here in LA.
And very fortunate to go to who did San Antonio
beat in like oh five? Oh my good, this is
me live googling Spurs Game seven two thousand and five.

(14:45):
They beat they beat the Pistons in Game seven in
San Antonio. I was there for that as well. Game
got nearly as close as the Lakers Celtics here.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
And up at that one. How did you end up
there for Game seven?

Speaker 2 (15:04):
It was work summer, nothing was going on. I had
friends in San Antonio in the radio world. I was
at Fox Sports Radio back then, and they're headquarters, well,
the big corporate behemoth headquarters were in in San Antonio

(15:27):
at friends there, and somebody texted and said, Hey, you
want to get on a plane, like for what Game seven?
Got a ticket for you? I'm like, all right, all
this that was back in the day when I was
doing arena football every week, and back in the day
where Southwest didn't have a points system. You just like
once you had eight flights, you got a free flight.

(15:49):
And so I had like five free Southwest tickets from
doing all these arena football games going to Phoenix and
Vegas and San Jose and Austin and Denver. And I
was mister Southwest back then. I'm like, all right, that's
you would just go to the airport and go, hey,
here's my Southwest card. I have free five free tickets.

(16:10):
Can you put me on the punch card. Yep, can
you put me on the twelve O five to San
Antonio please? Yeah. Went to the game. It was awesome. Anyway,
we were denied the game seven last night we Indiana.
But I am not one of these teams, or rather
one of these fans that is rooting against. I guess

(16:30):
maybe just speaks to my Calves fandom. Don't get me wrong.
I like the Calves. I love the Calves, the Browns,
and the Guardians. I lose sleep. I'm sorry anyone listening
to the Calves building. It's not personal. I root for
the Calves. I guess the emotional connection and the kick
in the gut was not the same for me when

(16:50):
when it came time to rooting against the team that.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
But we talked about this when you were in town
for Mini camp week. We talked about this, But your
dad Wasn't you know you grew up a Cleveland fan
because of your father and your grandparents. Correct, But like
the Calves were a distant third on that list.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
Right. I break things in my house and have over
the years, and I have actual scars on my right hand.
Right here, the two Browns team and foge Fasio may
rest in peace. Called off the Dogs against Tommy Maddox
in the postseason. Dennis north Cutt still could have won it,
but I digress and I punched a wall actually as
a door in my apartment in LA And yeah, I
still have a scar in my hand. Same with the Guards,

(17:30):
with the tribe, whatever you want to call them. I
still have deep and dark scars that I will not
and will not ever get over from their postseason past.
You know what if Tony Fernandez didn't boot that ball
in Game seven of the ninth inning in Miami, Yeah,
we are all that fan. My dad when he was
a kid growing up east side literal literally Murray Hill Cathedral,

(17:54):
Latin John Carroll, the Calves weren't there yet. My dad's eighty,
the Calves were not a thing, and he was never
an NBA fan. So as kids, we never had the
NBA on. Now when Mark Price and Brad Doherty and
Ron Harper, when those teams got good, hot Rod Williams,

(18:15):
when those teams got good, my brother and I like
became big fans. Yeah, those eighties Calves teams. Obviously Craig
three Low all those teams, But my dad didn't care
and like he'd be sitting on the porch right smoking
a cigar on a Sunday afternoon, my brother and I'd
be watching a playoff game. It just never felt the same.

(18:39):
So my screaming, yelling fandom was truly never the same.
Now in twenty sixteen with the Cavs one Game seven, Yeah,
I was on top of a table in a bar
in Lima, Peru, of all places.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
Congratulations on all your successes than.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
You, No, no, I was. I had just come down
out of the Coudiata Blanca doing a huge hike and
found the only bar in Lima, Peru in the mid
of Floridas neighborhood that evidently had Sunday ticket and they
also had some kind of hacked boxes from Miami, and
we had on local Miami ABC, and the entire bar
was obviously watching Game seven. When I got there, there

(19:22):
were no seats left there, literally in the entire bar,
other than this one table like Rando strangers right one
table that had a chair, and I walked up and lying, hey,
can I steal this chair? Turns out these guys were
from Cleveland.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
I was like, hey, all right.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
We made instant friends, watched Game seven, Calves won, closed
the bar shots for everybody. I missed my flight the
next morning. Yeah, I celebrated, Don't get me wrong, because
obviously it was a weight lifted off every everybody in town. Yes,

(20:02):
but when the Browns win, when the Guards win, and
it will happen before my dad, before I turned my
dad's age, it will happen that celebration for me will
be a little bit more emotional. That celebration sixteen was amazing,
all right, and my dad was happy. It's not as

(20:24):
if he doesn't root for the Calves. He does. But
when they lose, eh, you know, he goes to bed.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
That makes sense, No, yeah, no, no, no, no, I get it.
I understand, you know it. It sucks that we weren't
playing in that in that game last night, Yes, it does.
It is what it is. That had an amazing year
and came up way too short.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
And that's in no way me trying to downplay the
disappointment of the great year the Calves had. In no
way right, this could even should have been their year.
All the pieces were in pieces. At the end of
the season, it all fell apart, and yeah, it was disheartening.
Now when you hear the Cavs name thrown around with

(21:10):
the Kevin Durant PostScript yesterday. That's an eyebrow raiser for who.

Speaker 4 (21:16):
For what?

Speaker 2 (21:17):
As Rooky Waters would say, you know what would that
trade have been? I don't know. It didn't happen. Kevin
Durant is now going to the Houston Rockets. For Calves
fans that say we could have should have had Durant,
I'm gonna tell you he's gonna be thirty seven and
he has an expiring contract. Okay, he's gonna be thirty

(21:40):
seven before the season begins. You really want a thirty
seven year old guy on an expiring contract. I don't.
I don't. Okay. I'm not saying he's a bad guy.
He isn't. There's a reason he's going to his fifth team. Okay,
I don't want Kevin Durant. If you did, that's fine.

(22:01):
I don't blame you. And I know that you might
be one of these Cavs fans that say something had
to change, like, okay, great season, it all fell apart.
You have to mix it up somehow, that's fine, that's fine.
I just don't think Kevin Durant was the move. I
don't I get why Phoenix moved on. I get why

(22:22):
Durant went it out, but I don't think from a
Cavs perspective, that was the move. Houston gives up Jalen Green,
Dylan Brooks, the tenth overall pick, and five second round picks.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
What does that even mean? What second round picks actually
mean in the NBA?

Speaker 2 (22:38):
I mean, look, NBA trades with the draft picks, taking
a flyer on me and being like, hey, maybe he'll
develop in five years. Look, plenty of second round picks
have turned out okay, but ninety five percent of them
do not, And yeah, what are they worth? Second round
picks in the NFL are worth something? Five second round
picks in the NFL, that's a whole.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
Now.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
In the NFL you can only trade three drafts out,
So if you were to trade five second round picks,
that would mean you had multiple second round picks in
this year and next. You can't do that trade in
the NFL. They don't allow you to do that trade.
But I just want to say this, and I did
this on Twitter as well, and the TikTok and everything
last night, for all of these people that were yelling

(23:21):
and screaming, We're not yelling and screaming. Let me back up.
For everyone that looked at that trade yesterday and go,
ah have five second round picks, they're just throwing as
they mean nothing, like who cares about these five second
round picks? I'm with you, But you're the same people
that were furious when Bronny got taken by the Lakers
with a fifty fifth overall pick last year. How dare
you waste a second round pick on that guy? I mean,

(23:42):
stop it. You just don't like Lebron, Right, you can't
be outraged about the fifty fifth overall pick last year
being Lebron James Junior and at the same time, tell
me add these five second round picks for Kevin Durant
are just meaningless. You can't have it both way. Friends,

(24:02):
Just face it. You didn't like Lebron and you wanted
to be outraged, right, and Cavs fans Lakers fans. I'm
in LA today game. If the Lakers want to take
Lebron's kid, fine, I don't. I don't care to do
what they say. The guy's done enough for the league.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
I just think it well, and I don't know what
Browni's career is going to evolve into. Who knows they
took him in the second round. You know, this is
what I know. Kevin Durant average twenty six point six
points a game, six rebounds, four point two assists, pretty
good numbers at his age. He played sixty two games

(24:37):
this year, played seventy five last year. In the five
years prior, thirty five, fifty five, thirty nine eight. That's
actually four years public school math.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Sorry, and again he's going to be thirty seven before
the news.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
I don't like, what are you getting. I we know
what he can do when he's healthy, but he's on
the back end of the career.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
He's on the back nine, and you're getting a first
ballot Hall of Famer.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
And I and I think there's always drama with him.
I don't think he's ever happier content.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
He's never happier content, And he hangs on social media
all day, sometimes with a burner, telling people that he's
not happy or content.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
Almost got into a fight with Kevin Durant in a pregame.
Interviewed at the queue.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
You did, yep, why?

Speaker 3 (25:26):
Maybe maybe that's why I have some venom.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
For I don't have any personal animus towards him. Final thought,
like Kevin Durant. I don't know if you guys saw
the video. So the Fanatics Fest, the big Michael Ruben thing,
great Jabit Center, like giant Card show and all, you know,
all these big names are there making appearances. I have

(25:48):
friends who took their kids there, said like amazing, like
amazing event anywhere. Kevin Durant. Anyway, Kevin Durant was on
stage yesterday with Taylor Rook's Front of the Program from Amazon,
just doing like what we call like a chalk talk.
You know, a bunch of people there listening interview on
stage that kind of thing, live pod whatever, and everyone
who has their phones out just taping segments anywhere, taping

(26:11):
stuff just because that's what we do. Everyone started seeing
on their phones at the trade had gone down that
he was going to the Houston Rockets, and people start
yelling and they're holding their phones up. So you see
all these videos from in the crowd of everyone holding
their phone up and you hear people yelling you got
traded at Kevin Durant, and he's hearing it, and he

(26:35):
actually yells back where like what like he didn't know
now he knew that the Rockets were one of the possibilities.
He didn't know. Taylor Rooks is up there imagining yourself,
Gibbie in the host position, Like what do I do?
Because now people are yelling to the rockets at Kevin
Durant and he's kind of smiling, he's holding a mic,

(26:56):
but he also has this stunned look on his face
and he goes like is this real? And then everyone's
yelling at the rockets and Taylor looks she didn't look
at her phone, but like, clearly this is what happened.
You couldn't have all these people making this up. And
Durant was like, well, okay, like, well, we'll see what happens,

(27:16):
and then Taylor now has to.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
Pivot, like ask his reaction.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
He says, we'll see what happens, and then she's got
to finish their stage time with whatever else she had planned,
and like, as a host, do you go, okay, do
I go down this path it's not confirmed? Do I
let this guy let it sink in? And then I
don't know if you ever watched the show the Charlie
Pooker Show on What the show Black Mirror on Netflix.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
Have not seen?

Speaker 2 (27:46):
Okay, it's about ten years old. Now there's been like
five seasons. It is the most head messing I'll say
that cleanly mess with your head. Dystopian technology like Twilight Zone,
an esque show. It's brilliant television. It was a scene
out of Black Mirror. It's like we're on stage or
we're in a zoo and all the people are there

(28:09):
yelling at you, holding the phone to see how you react.
It was wild. It was twenty twenty five technology, dystopian.
We're all animals to be poked and prodded. I can't
imagine being in that situation anyway.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
That's it. You've paid, he's booked. There's probably been a
lot of money thrown at him to make this appear.
Of course, you can't just let him leave in a
moment where he probably needs a few minutes to let it.
I get it, to comprehend it. You got to be like,
now you're going to stay here. We're going to talk
through a few more things. We're gonna talk through a
few more things here as well.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
Coming up. Should you care about should or Sanders and
the speeding tickets? I think the answer is yes. But
also what front of the program Daniel Genreal Maya had
to say about who he thinks will be the Browns
starting quarterback Week one at Huntington Bank Field against the Bengals.

(29:13):
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Speaker 2 (29:39):
No Bo and no Nathan Today, it's in their place,
Beggar partner. It's Hi, Andrews Siliana and Jason Gibbs, everybody
on CBD. Let's uh, let's do the brown stuff here
and well no though, like it's gonna be the only
time we do it here. We got Brandon Lynch.

Speaker 3 (29:59):
That's right. Well we'll end up. We'll eventually end up
with someone who tweets at us and it's like, are
you guys gonna talk football today?

Speaker 4 (30:07):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (30:07):
Yeah, let's do it. Okay, it's it's June twenty third.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
Yeah, there is no off season, but like this is
the week in which they're kind of is an off
season and last week should have been the same as well,
but we had the news obviously, with five teams not
named the brown still going through their final week of
the off season program that Jodor Sanders had been picked
up twice in the last couple of weeks for speeding,
including one the last one going one hundred and one

(30:31):
miles per hour on seventy one. There are a couple
of couple of parts of good news here, if you
want to spin it good news, maybe not good news.
Good news is nobody got hurt. Okay, that's that's the
most important thing. That's not an excuse. It's a hey,
thank god, nobody got hurt. We can all agree on that.
Number Two. There's no alcohol involved, right, there's no impairment.
This was just a kid who is speeding. I want

(30:53):
to make something very clear. I am not apologizing for
nor excusing the behavior. One hundred and one miles an
hour is dangerous. It's dangerous, it's poor judgment. It is
not putting the team first. In a window in which

(31:15):
all players from every team, including the Browns, have been warned,
whether it's by Kevin Stefanski or the thirty one other
head coaches, don't do anything stupid. Not all coaches put
it that way. But that's basically the message, and this
has been universal for rookies for vets since the dawna
time during this window when teams go away for vacation,
don't do anything stupid. Don't put the team in jeopardy,

(31:39):
but most importantly, don't put yourself or your family in jeopardy,
or don't put the people in your community around you
in jeopardy. Don't do anything stupid. From that standpoint, it
is disheartening, but thank god nobody got hurt. That said.
Raise your hand here. If you haven't been pulled over

(31:59):
for now, if you're driving, please don't take your hands
off the wheel.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
Brock says he's never been pulled over for speeding.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Brock is what twenty one?

Speaker 3 (32:09):
Uh? Yeah, he just turned twenty one.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
Okay, Brock. Two things are happy birth number one, Happy
birthday number two. You should not aspire to be pulled
over for speeding. When I was twenty one, I had
not yet been pulled over for speeding. I'd been in
multiple cars where the driver had been pulled over, but
I had not been pulled over. Since then, I had
been pulled over multiple times for speeding. I'm not proud.
Of it. Okay, but I've done it. Young people like

(32:35):
to drive cars fast. Old people do as well. It's
not an excuse. Now. What is disheartening here, to me,
at least, is that there was a second instant. Right
one should knock a little bit of common sense into you.
The second one. That to me is bad judgment. Truly,

(32:56):
that's bad judgment, and that's inexcusable. Am I gonna kill
the kid for it?

Speaker 3 (33:03):
No?

Speaker 2 (33:04):
Am I gonna say he should be benched or tay,
he should lose reps, whatever reps he does have. No,
should there be internal team disciplined eyed? I don't think
that's the case.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
This is a.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
Speeding ticket, right, multiple speeding tickets. I bet you listening
if you had teenage kids, there's a chance that a
certain percentage of our audience right now with teenage kids.
Those kids have had multiple traffic infractions, multiple speeding tickets,
and you probably yelled and screamed at them, okay, don't

(33:39):
do this again, and they did. Now, is should or
Sanders a kid? No, he's young, though I use the kid.
I throw the word kid around loosely, right, but he
should know better? Yes? Does this say to me he
doesn't have the judgment or the leadership or the mature

(34:00):
to win the job and lead. Know, it doesn't anyone
who is taking a couple of speeding tickets and for
the sake of engagement or clicks, or for the sake
of spending time and filling air, and there's a lot
of air to fill these days, especially in the offseason
on hot take shows, saying that this somehow reflects on

(34:24):
his football future or his football judgment. They're full of it,
and they're lying to you because they probably don't believe it, okay,
and they're just filling time. They're just filling time. It
doesn't change who starts week one. It has no role

(34:44):
unless now Kevin Stefanski comes out and say, yeah, this
is inexcusable and he's not going to get the reps
that I was going to give him, come train again,
and that isn't gonna happen.

Speaker 4 (34:55):
It just isn't.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
Yeah, I mean that's I've got, and I've gotten a
couple of speeding tickets.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
I'm not the fastest you've ever gone. I don't speeding ticket.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
It's a good question. I feel like probably I think
I got the last time I got pulled over and
it's gone knock one something plywood or whatever. Whatever. This
thing is right here, maybe seventy five and a sixty.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
Oh wow, look at you. Look at you.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
Just but I was on the highway. It was early morning.
I'm trying to get somewhere. There was no one on
the road.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
Oh no, no, no, I'm saying, look at you getting
pulled over for not going that fast.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
Yeah yeah, I wasn't doing I don't think I've ever
done well stay trooper, end of the month.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
Yeah no, I get that. Listen, I have gone one
hundred and one miles an hour. I didn't get pulled over.
I'm admitting, like, I'm not saying I was right to
do it. But I'll tell you where I was. I
was in the middle of the desert on a stretch
of highway, the fifteen freeway between Las Vegas and the

(36:15):
Arizona Utah border. If anyone's ever been on that stretch,
they have massive signs that say last services for like
forty miles, so like, if you need gas, if you
need water, if you need food, like you better get
off right here because the next stretch of highway is
as desolate as it gets. And I had a fast

(36:36):
car that I loved. I had an M three and
I opened that baby up right just to see what
it would do. And that that is the stretch of
highway where you do that. And I got it into
triple digits and I didn't pass anybody. You know why,
because there was nobody anywhere near me at all. The

(36:58):
only thing I would be hitten is an armadilla. Going
one on one on seventy one is a lot different.
We're both wrong, okay, but that's not the place you
do it, even if it's in the middle of the night,
because there are going to be people on the road.
They are. Speaking of the talking head shows, we have

(37:18):
Mike Tannebaum, all right, former Jets GM. He was on
NFL Live last week. Here's with you as the.

Speaker 5 (37:26):
Head coach or the quarterback. You're the most important employee
of a six billion dollar enterprise, and how you handle
things on and off the field matter. And Mark Shaalrith
used to say Greene preseason games they don't count, but
they matter, and how you comport yourself off the field matters.
And to have this happen twice would be concerned. It's
not the end of the road, but let me bring

(37:48):
you into what typically happens at the end of this
time of year. You set your roster and your initial
sort of reps for training camp. And if they're sitting
there in Cleveland, Greenee and they're saying, Dylan Gabriel is
a third round pick, he's done well. Shador Sanders has
done well on the field, but he's had these two
issues off the field, albeit minor, they'll give more reps
to Dylan Gabriel. Remember, every general manager has one formula

(38:12):
on their board. Production equals tolerance, and as Groz mentioned,
he's a fifth round pick. He has not produced yet.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
All Right, I don't think my mom is lying to you,
although I did say that before. I just don't know
that this is going to change things. I just don't
think it will.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
Coybe, I'm.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
Like, you get a stern talking to I assume he
did after the first one. So yeah, it's concerning that
there is a second. But you know what, guys, when
we get to training camp the third week of July,
I don't think that this matters. It will be a

(39:03):
talking point, you know, when Kevin has his introductory media
availability to open up camp, it will be a talking
point and there will be more than just one question,
and he will say that he's disappointed and that he's
talked to Shador and then that's it. And that's not
a comment on Kevin's media skills, quite the opposite. I

(39:24):
just think that's how they view it. And if I'm wrong,
I'm wrong.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
Yeah. I mean, you don't want to do anything that's
going to reflect poorly upon you or your organization.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
Which this yeah, more on you than the organization.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
Correct, I don't think and I don't even know how
much it does. But the problem is the position you
play and what you do on this football team. Sure,
every little thing right now is being scrutinized up and
down by the local media, by the national media, by everyone,

(40:03):
because going into training camp, the Browns are going to
be a very popular topic of conversation around the NFL.
We're going to camp with four quarterbacks. Like you know,
you don't want to do something that paints you in
a in a negative way, in any way, shape or.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
Form, the first time, should or with cameras rolling, whether
live on NFL Network or back together Saturday on ABC
and ESPN. I don't even know is that a thing
this year? I think it is oh yeah, oh yeah,
that's my live coverage on the Partners as well. I
don't know. I agree that first full Saturday of training

(40:46):
camp when everyone is on the field, when all teams
are mandated the twenty sixth of July, where all teams
have to be on the field. Speaking of some that
used to work for the network, that was an idea
that they came up with like three four years ago,
where we're gonna go live with all thirty two teams
at one point during the day and basically an eighteen

(41:07):
hour marathon. If at one point should Or Sanders throws
a touchdown in that live portion on television, it's all forgotten.
It's all forgotten by the national media, and that highlight
will be shown on a loop a thousand times, just
like the touchdown to Gauge Lardavan. Okay, I get you.

Speaker 3 (41:33):
Still pulling that name out, Yeah, still working on that
name because you know you're gonna call it come training.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
Oh and kidding me, Him and Floria are gonna get
how many touchdowns in the preseason the.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
Over under like six and a half.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
Look, just just buckle up, friends, because wherever you're listening
to this show, you right now have an opinion as
to who should and will, and they might be very different.
Should and will start week one. Okay, you are going
to be bombarded all day every day once camp opens

(42:14):
with people trying to convince you to change your mind.
I just preach caution. We have three days to join
practices Carolina and Philadelphia. We have three legitimately meaningful preseason
games for all of you. Last year, who got ang? Oh,
this team's not showing anything in the preseason. This team

(42:34):
isn't tough enough in the preseason. We're doing nothing like.
It's not gonna be that way this year. All right, Now,
you can argue with whether or not we should have
QB trackers every day and how meaningful are those. Give
me a couple of drinks and I'll go off on
that if you want. Okay, but don't tell me they're

(42:56):
not meaningful preseason games. They'll be meaningful. I guarantee you
that we could argue what they mean in the moment.

Speaker 3 (43:07):
It may or may not have been the OG quarterback
tracker for one John Paul Football, that's right. So I
look forward to that conversation when you're back in town
for training camp. Okay, I only did seven and seven
and eleven on eleven in pads? Was the ball caught?
Was it not caught? I didn't go through and try
to figure out it was only in training camp. It

(43:28):
wasn't in anything else.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
Listen as Deuce Staley said. As Duce Staley said. Ten
days ago, when asked about uh, I believe asked, he
was asked about Quinchean, who has looked good by the way,
as has Dylan Samson. Yes, about you know, drawing conclusions
in in in mini camp, he said, And I'm paraphrasing,

(43:52):
we're wearing pajamas right now. That's right, call me when
we're wearing armor. And the same flies to the quarterbacks,
guys and gals. Anyone listening, all right? Coming up what
Daniel Jeremiah had to say about the Browns Day one
week one quarterback starter And coming up as well, we'll

(44:13):
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(45:01):
Did I just say boat Bridges, Boat Bishop? That's for
no Bridges, Bo Bishop? I know Bood, Yeah, I know
his last name, maybe not after today, I just called
him boat Bridges, Boa Bishop, who are back shortly? I
don't know when, but they're back one of these days.
You get me a gibbee today, let's go back to
last week. Friend of the program. Daniel Jeremiah, with whom

(45:23):
I was speaking this morning, was on another Friend of
the program show that was Rich Eisen on the appropriately
named Ridge Eisen Show, and Rich throughout the Hey DJ,
who starts week one for the Browns? His answer was interesting.

Speaker 4 (45:37):
Training camp to start DJ?

Speaker 6 (45:38):
Yeah, I mean I feel like Flacco probably has his
spot reserved and then it's gonna be three for two.
So you got those three young guys competing for the
two spots, and I would say, you know, based off
of Gabriel where he was picked based off of the ability,
you know, and I go back to you know, it
seems like a million years ago in Green Bay, but
I mean, uh, Shoodoor was my twentieth player is a

(46:00):
first round caliber player. Like talent wise, both those guys
I think have a have a huge advantage over Kenny Pickett.
Kenny Pickett has to be light years better than each
of them to make the team. So I would say,
if you're gonna ask me to kind of, you know,
predict how it's gonna go down, I would say, you're
gonna have those two rookies and Joe Flacco. Kenny Pickett's
gonna have to be superman to make the roster. And

(46:23):
then you know, when you look at it from that standpoint,
to me, I think Joe Flacco is just in case
they don't feel like they can be competent at the position.
Then you insert Joe, I think their Week one starter
is going to be. I think it's gonna be one
of those two rookies. I really feel that way.

Speaker 7 (46:40):
Really, So you think Flacco will just wind up being
a veteran presence in the quarterback room for your starter
Dylan Brooks or should or Sanders DJ.

Speaker 3 (46:52):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 (46:54):
You give those two young guys, I think you have
to learn this year. You know, they've got they made
that trade, so they've got some ammunition for next year.
And I'm just starting to peek at some of these quarterbacks.
All have a better feel for what that could look
like here over the next month. But they have to
they have at next year at this time. They have
to know what they have in those two rookies. They
have to see them. They have to see them. They

(47:15):
gotta get one of it. And that's why to me,
I don't think you waste time. It's not okay, let's
let Joe Flacco, let these guys get comfortable and then
we can kind of maybe see who wins it between
those two guys and we insert them and week eight,
Week ten, like, ah, you have to evaluate these two
kids that you just drafted, so that next year, at
this time or you know, sorry, before the draft, before
this next draft, you have some clarity of what you

(47:37):
have on campus.

Speaker 7 (47:38):
Any any concerns of Shador going forty one miles per
hour above the sixty mile an hour speed limit recently.

Speaker 6 (47:46):
You know, obviously it's not great. I just feel like
we've seen more of this. I don't know if it's
obviously he's in a different situation. But all these college
kids now have rich if you look at it, and
I know people have talked about in their program and
all the speeding issues they've had there these kids now,
a lot of them. I mean I and someone who
has for kids, you have kids, Like a lot of

(48:07):
these kids drive later.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
Now.

Speaker 6 (48:09):
It's not like when we were growing up. You turn sixteen,
you get your license, Like these people drive later, and
then all of a sudden, now these kids with nil
are getting these these souped up cars that are so fast,
and it's like it's it's.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
Not a great combination.

Speaker 6 (48:21):
Now he's in a different situation, you know, with with
with Dion and having a chance to have a nicer
car and do all those things. And I just I
don't think that we have mature drivers, and I think
it goes beyond just shud Or. It's not a great look,
but it feels like we're seeing a lot more of
that now with athletes than we've ever seen.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
All Right, a couple of things I agree disagree with.
I do agree with DJ that the car thing is
what the car thing is speeding.

Speaker 3 (48:48):
Get that.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
I also agree with DJ that give you need to
know what you have in the rookie quarterbacks by the
end of the season, one way or the other. That
you can't draft to rookie quarters and put both of
them on the shelf for the entire year. Now, look
in a there is a world in which, let's say

(49:09):
Joe Flacco starts Week one and and he beats the
Browns I'm sorry, beats the Bengals.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
And I by like right now, I'm in I sign
that right now.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
If you told me Joe Flacco starting week one, I
will tell you we're gonna beat the Bengals. I firmly
believe that in my heart of hearts. Right now, you
throw them out there, gonna beat the Bengals. Does that
mean one of the other three can't do the same. Yeah,
I think that could happen as well. But like, give
me Joe Flacco. Yeah, now, how long is that gonna last? Right?
And look at Indianapolis last year, there were some great

(49:40):
Joe Flacco moments, and there were moments. Eh, okay, right, yeah?
Is that sustainable for an entire seventeen week season. I
would love to see a world. I mean that would
be a fairy tale in which it happens in that world. However,
you don't get to see the rookies now where I
kind of agree with DJ and I told him that

(50:01):
this morning is this idea that like, can't you pick it?
And kind of paraphrasing, has a hard time making the roster.
I don't see that. I don't, but it is fair
to ask, can you legitimately keep four now? Right now?
If you read the joey Epstein piece in Yahoo two
weeks ago and Andrew Berry said, yeah, we can keep four,

(50:22):
absolutely keep four. Yeah, that world does exist. Some of
that is also, hey, we're not going to announce right
now we can't keep four. That does us no good, right,
somebody has to win, win, win this job. If no
one does, then Joe Flacco is your quarterback. That's just

(50:44):
the way it is. But to say that, well someone's
going to get traded, well that means one of the
other three has to play enough. And I don't know
that one of the rookies is going to get traded.
That doesn't make sense to me.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
Do you use draft capital to move up in the
fifth round? Yes, to take Shador like you're not getting
rid of the guys that you drafted this year.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
No, But everyone says, well, trade Kenny Pickett, Okay for who?
For what? There has to be an injury somewhere and
he has to play well enough in the preseason for
somebody to want him. But that goes with any player. Okay,
it goes with any player. Yeah, but this idea that

(51:28):
Kenny Pickett has, I disagree with dj On that is
gonna have a hard time making the team. I don't
know that I agree with that. By the way, it
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(51:50):
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All right, let's do it, everybody. It's Andrew Ciciliano, Jason
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here points unknown.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
They'll be back at some time. They'll be back. I
think I think there is a good chance there will
be a Ziggura sighting tomorrow with you on the program.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Oh no, I mean, oh yes, this is what I meant.
I believe I meant. I meant, oh yes, oh no, like,
oh no, I didn't know that.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
Yeah, we're working through it. He was like, I'm in,
I'm in. And then we've got some stuff going on
inside the building that he may have to go address
and deal with first no, no, no, no, this is a
good thing, quick scores, maybe maybe some new podcast things
that are going to be coming out. And the timing

(53:27):
was originally before the show and then it's now during
the first hour of the show.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
I don't want to take him away from any Luca duties.

Speaker 3 (53:37):
Oh no, no, no, like or he wants to step away. Yeah,
two weeks of paternity officially over. Luca duties for him
are overnights, and I want to say in the evenings.
I think that's when he is doing his his part.
At least that's what it was for the first week.

(53:59):
I don't know if they have changed since then. Well,
he was the one getting up at night with that said,
flattered to be here, happy to be here.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
I'm happy to Bo's place. I am happy to be here,
happy that you were here as well. On a weekend,
or after a weekend in which we saw the Oklahoma
City Thunder win Game seven of the NBA Finals last
night and take a championship seven different champions in seven
different years now. In the NBA, the headline was Tyreese
Haliburton going down first half torn achilles, which is now

(54:29):
confirmed by Shams and the team. I believe at least
by Shams. We saw it, I mean, and they showed
the replay fifty five times too many last night. It
was a torn achilles. It is heartbreaking. It is gutting,
even if you're rooting against Indiana, even if you didn't
like Hyrise Halliburton doing the choke sign multiple times during
the postseason after his multiple awe dropping or awe inspiring

(54:52):
jaw dropping game winning shots, even if he didn't like
his old man, I think he's good for the game.
He's good for the sport. He seems to be a
good dude. I don't know him, and to see, yeah,
he's a great player. You know, his interview uh with
the with Charles Barkley and the Inside the NBA crew
on TNT two weeks ago was fantastic. I really love

(55:15):
the guy, and I think he's good for the sport.
And to know that he liked Damian Lillard or like
Jason Tatum, regardless what you think of those guys suffer
these injuries late in the year, in the postseason, and
they're they're gone for a lot of next year. You
lose more than a game seven to be a pacerf
fan two day. Listen, we as Browns fans, as Cleveland fans, guards,
Calvs whatever, buck guys, we have had these You're so

(55:39):
close punch in the gut moments, way too many to count.
I mean, there's a reason I have gray hair. Way
too many to count. But to get to the Game
seven and not only lose, but to realize that the
face of your franchise is now out a lot of
next year. All right, you lost the champion ship bad,

(56:01):
really bad, like you're gonna have nightmares about it for years,
but face of the franchise is also out all of
next year. Like I cannot begin to imagine what it
feels like to be a Pacer fan today. Cavs lost.
I get it, Cavs had a great season. We all
thought this was their year, not diminishing diminishing rather or

(56:23):
trying to downplay that hurt. But imagine getting to Game
seven and then the face of your franchise gets hurt. Oh,
by the way, and also you're leading at halftime.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
Well, and the Achilles is the new ACL. Like when
we were growing up, if you had an ACL injury
or needed Tommy John surgery, like you were you might
not be the same player ever again. Like I feel
like the achilles is that way I would modern medicine.

(56:55):
I don't think it's as grim a diagnosis, but there
is a significant recovery in achilles, and not everybody comes
back fully from him.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
No, you can come back, but are you the same
I don't know. I don't think so. And look they can.
You can come back now faster than ever. Aaron Rodgers
could have played in December of twenty twenty three. Now
would he have been immobile?

Speaker 4 (57:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (57:21):
Would they have needed to basically remember when Dave Grohl,
you know, lead singer Foo Fighters, when he broke his
leg and they just put him on stage in a
giant throne. Remember that?

Speaker 3 (57:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (57:33):
Right, they might have had to have done that with
Aaron Rodgers in December, right, just put him in shotgun,
put him in a thrown back there and he's got
to get the ball out in two point two seconds
every time. But he could have potentially potentially come back
to play cam Akers in the Rams Super Bowl season.
Tore his achilles. He's not an agent quarterback. He's a

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young running back. Wasn't even twenty five yet. Tore his
achilles ten to twelve days before the started training camp,
doing a box jump, working out on his own. It
was already into July. It wasn't like June. It wasn't now.
It was into July, training camp within sight. Tore his achilles.
He came back and played in the playoffs and won

(58:19):
a ring. Do that math. It can be done. But
he wasn't the same, sure, but he got it out
and he helped them win a title, So it can
be done. Tyre's Halliburton is young. His age begins with
a two. He can come back, He will come back.
Same for Jason Tatum. He can and will come back.
But are you the same? And how long does it

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take you, if you are the same, to get there? Yeah, exactly,
That's what Indiana is staring at the face right now.
Also over the weekend, Guards won two at of three
in Oakland. Emmanuel Classe it was dicey yesterday, got out
of it, much like he got out of the jam
last week in San Francisco to take two out of three.

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In that one, there are a lot of what ifs
on this Guardian's road trip. You know, what if they
had held that lead and gotten the sweep in San Francisco,
three in San Francisco, two ou in Sacramento, five out
of six after the just gut punch horribly disheartening sweep
in Seattle. In no way does one blown lead in

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San Francisco on a Thursday afternoon and that matinee in
any way change the way I look at their long
term outlook this year. But it would feel a lot
different coming back and getting the day off before the
Blue Jays come to town. Look, they've got to prove
they could be good teams. They have to prove that
they could hit, and right now they're not. They're just
not they're not hit.

Speaker 3 (59:50):
Speaking speaking of the hitting and not hitting our sister
flagship station. Yeah here in town ninety two to three,
I heard this, Jim Bowden, Yeah, go ahead, lay it
out there. Mention the possibility of the Guardos trading for
and getting back Josh Naylor at the deadline.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
Your thoughts, I don't know?

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
Are you are you? Are you a contender?

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
Look, right, if the season were to end right now,
I got to see how the rest of the game's
played out.

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
Yesterday, I mean wild card, they're totally in play.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
They're in play. I'm saying, if it truly were to well,
if we're to end right now, it would be a headline.
If we're to end right now, they are tied with
the Mariners for the final wild card spot. They're both
thirty nine and thirty seven, same number of games. ESPN
dot Com is the MS in front of them. That

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doesn't make sense to me because I think head to
head the MS have the edge, especially after that sweep.
Regardless they are right there, they're either in or they
lose a time break or its a one game playoff,
whatever the heck they do is Josh Naylor. Remember you
got rid of Josh Naylor because you want to let
Kyle Manzarto play. And he got out of the gate.
Great Manzardo, did you know, hitting bombs and taking Paul

(01:01:12):
Skeins into the river in Pittsburgh and doing all of that.
But his average isn't there. He's not hitting righties. And yeah,
I don't think we're at the point where you send
Kyle Menzardo down. I don't think we're at that point.
But remember last year he came up and couldn't make

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hard contact all right, he was a left handed Jonathan Rodriguez.
They sent him down. He came back late in the
year and he was raking. He had the home run
in the ALCS in what was that game three? Game yeah,
game three. He was killing the ball and he picked

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that up in April. I'm not seeing that now. Carlos
Santana had a great May June a little bit different.
So if you bring back Josh Naylor, I would say
a for who for what the Slade Secconi thing's working.
He pitched well yesterday. Yeah, he still gives up the
home run ball didn't yesterday. That looks like another one

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of those. Hey, you know what, we the pitching factory
can take your guy that you haven't managed well and
we can turn him into something that looks okay on
this end of it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
Is that the guy we watched, yeah when we were
down there.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
Yeah, you and I went to the game during two
weeks ago when we were there, when I was there
from mandatory Mini caamp. We went to the Tuesday game
and that was a Slade security did pitch that day.

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
He pitched great, and the records.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
He pitched well. And that was the game that was
over in like two hours and four minutes and they
got two hit and lost. Red's made a couple of
great plays in the outfield there, robbing Jose Ramirez and others. Yeah,
that game was so disheartening, thanks to Curtis Danberg by
the way, but so dishearted because like if David David

(01:03:04):
Fry got screwed on that ball four in the top
in the bottom of the ninth inning, horrible call, like
bring bring us the roboms at that point they get
that ball four, then you're first and second, nobody out
with it was a one was a one nothing game,
so you got the time running second. Well whatever didn't

(01:03:25):
happen those game two weeks ago? Am I all for
bringing back Josh Naylor? I don't know. I heard a
lot of stuff about why they wanted to move on
from Josh Naylor after the trade was made, right, whether
it be his weight or whether it be other stuff.
Not a bad guy, but just like, hey, we've decided
we're going to move on. We're not ready. We're not
going to give him a long term deal. And that
isn't like oh we're cheap, that is it? Like we

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just don't want to give him a long term deal
and we've got Manzardo here ahead of him. Great trade
from Manzardo Aaron Zavalla just got moved again. So you know,
do you go get him like again for who? For what?

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
I think you trade deadlines not till the end of July.
Let this play out. Let's see what of.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
Course you have to let this play out? Remember flashback?
Was it twenty three?

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
Was it?

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
Yeah? Flashback? Flash back to twenty three when they got
Manzardo right where they traded Savalle and they traded Josh
Bell right, they made those moves. They were right around
here like where we are now, like right on kind

(01:04:42):
of that edge of the wildcard, Like why why why
do you give up? Why did you give up? It
was disheartening. I remember I was sitting there at Q
thirty nine in Kansas City having some amazing barbecue, about
to go to the Royals game that night, Royals Mets,
and then I was going to go interview Travis kelcey
the next day. Oh actually, you know that was the
That was the day before America does not care about this,

(01:05:04):
but I'm gonna connect dots. That was the day before
I asked Travis kelce on camera live on NFL that
work about Taylor Swift And that was the very first
time he commented publicly on Taylor Swift. Just what a
slice of Americana.

Speaker 3 (01:05:18):
That was a newsbreaker you are?

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
That was nice Americana, yours truly, and Michael Robinson pinned
down Travis Kelcey on live television about Taylor Swift, although
no one picked it up for like weeks and didn't
go viral, and then people realized it and then it
went viral. Anyway, I digressed that trade was disheartening at
the time, but that team wasn't going anywhere. They're right
around there now, right, So what do you do? We

(01:05:42):
got a month to figure out, a month and a
half to figure it out. Once again, I've just gone
totally off the rails here. And we were supposed to
play what Deontay Johnson had to say about who he
thinks will be the Browns opening day quarterback. Now you
want to do that next?

Speaker 3 (01:05:59):
For Brandon Lynch, we could do we can do Deonta
in next segment, and then we'll can play b Lynch
before the end of the show. Okay, we're going to
be Lynch about two thirty five.

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Everybody on the.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
Ones and twos, uh, and I am simply a guy
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normally see.

Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
Oh, you have a little reno going on the shelf.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
The shelf behind me. Uh, the home office from which
we do the bark tank and from which we do
b pups. Part available everything off those shelves right now,
because we're doing a big rennel home.

Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
What's the timetable on the reno?

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
I don't know, supposed to start today? Clearly it has
not only a couple of days, you know. Here we
got the old Tim Couch bobblehead, remember that one in
the stadium. Yeah, got the the Vin Scully Dodger Stadium
talking giveaway at the desk where it's time for Dodger baseball.
We also have and I got two of these. One

(01:08:18):
of my favorite of all time for those who can't
imagine right now, this is the Albert Bell flexing of
the right bicep bobblehead pointing to it, remember this one
back in the day, forever memorializing the it was eighth
or ninth whatever, the home run off Rick Aguilera to

(01:08:41):
tie the game in Game one of the nineteen ninety
five Al Divisional Series. Remember that one, yours truly was there.

Speaker 3 (01:08:53):
Didn't we get busted then for sending Jason Grimsley through
the air duck to like go get the bat? Oh no,
that was that year.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
Okay, so this is after that it happened, all right, yeah,
and so what that was? Kevin Kennedy was warned by
theo Epstein or admonished told this is at least Kevin
Kennedy's side of the story. After working with him some
years later at Fox, was told he was managing the
Red Sox. Hey if Bell if and when Bell hits

(01:09:21):
his first homer of the season of this series, in
this series, you are hereby ordered to take his beat, yeah,
confiscated or ask for it. And they're like, really you
want me to do that? No, you're going to do that?

Speaker 4 (01:09:35):
He was.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
Kevin tells the story he was ordered to do that
by the front office. So Bell hit the homer, crowd
goes wild, and then he comes out and asks for
the bat. And then Albert steps up to the top
step of the dugout and he points to his right
bicep and and says, if you can read lips, it's
right bleeping here, meaning this is where the cork is.
It's right here in my right bicep and yeah, and

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then that became a bobblehead years later. And then about
an hour later, Tony Panyan a three to zero count,
got the green light and took Sane Smith out to
left field over the nineteen foot wall with a little
bit of missed falling on col Nindre at that just
bringing everyone together and uh yeah, I got that one.

(01:10:19):
All right, let's get back to the Browns, shall we
we shall sure. Deontay Johnson was on a podcast. I
don't know which podcast this was. It somehow ended up
in my Twitter feed this morning. Deontay Johnson a former Steeler,
former Panther, former Raven, former Texan, former Raven now at Brown.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
He was on the Comeback podcast hosted by Steven Garcia
and another guy that at some point in the podcast,
because I watched the whole thing, at some point, the
guy goes, I have family in Cleveland. Oh yeah, we're
at Columbus.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
Which is Cleveland but different. Yeah, great, thank you, Sure,
I got it, regardless, Gantae Johnson, remember context here signed
what a month ago? Signed right when the calendar turned.

Speaker 3 (01:11:10):
To May, I think it was, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
Turned to May, and then it was really only there
for the one week uh mandatory MIDI camp, so then.

Speaker 8 (01:11:21):
They don't row with Kenny for right now, just so
you just had rookie mute camp, right you went with
them and did all that stuff. Who who looks saying
Kenny going on like right now with them ones and
then Joe would come in. I think they're probably gonna
row with him, just like to see, like just coming
off the season he was with Philly right right and
having the Super Bowl, so I'd rather see I think

(01:11:41):
they don't stick with him through pre season and then
you know they can live with with Joe coming brands
at the table.

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
All right. This is gonna get a lot of headlines.
I don't read much into it for a couple of reasons.
Number one, you'd only been there week, okay. Number two,
he and Kenny uh obviously were teammates in Pittsburgh and
Deontay Johnson give it you and I were there when needed.
Is one media session during rook Mandatory, minicanp said that

(01:12:10):
Kenny Pickett was one of the factors one of the
reasons he decided to come to Cleveland.

Speaker 4 (01:12:16):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
He also conceded the Browns were his only offer. They
were the only call Brown's called. He took the job.
You need a job, somebody offers you a job, you
take the job. But he said that Kenny got on
the phone as well. They obviously played together in Pittsburgh.
So there's that connection. There is that history. But it
also goes with what Nathan and Bow and you and

(01:12:36):
I have been telling people for a while now. The
Browns like Kenny Pickett. There's a reason they gave up
a five. I would have liked to have given up
one of the fifteen sixes that they have at that point.
Those were traded obviously on Draft Day Days one and three.
But they gave up a five and dtr for a
guy that his twenty five career starts. There's value to

(01:12:57):
be had with Kenny Pickett. We can argue whether or
not he's going to be in a starter or even
a good starter again, but there is value to be
had here. I know you've heard the Sam Darnold, the
Daniel Jones, you've heard those comparisons. I get I don't
know that that's gonna happen, but you have the ability
to get a guy whose twenty five career starts. The
seven fourth quarter comebacks all of that and go, hey,

(01:13:17):
we'll take this gamble. It's the same logic that says, hey,
at pick one forty four, we'll give up, Well, we'll
take Shad or Sanders, even if we probably weren't get
a draft earlier because we passed. It's the same logic here.
So I'm not going to read much into this Deontay
Johnson comment, but I will say this, I will guarantee

(01:13:39):
or your money back. I will guarantee that tomorrow, one
day removed from talking about Game seven of the NBA
Finals and knowing that there's only so much you could
say about Wednesday's draft, Cooper flag is going to go
number one, that this will stick in the national awk

(01:14:00):
sphere and more will be made of those Deontay Johnson
comments than really are deserved.

Speaker 3 (01:14:08):
Agree again, there are of the thirty two NFL teams,
we're one of the top five. From a hot button standpoint.
We will be throughout the entire training camp in preseason.
We will be until we name a quarterback. That's just
how it's gonna go. I mean, it's already set up

(01:14:30):
for that. I mean Eisen said it last week to
Daniel Jeremiah. He's like there's five storylines worth watching. The
Browns and four quarterbacks are one of those five? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
What are the other four? What the new coaches? The Bears,
Caleb Williams, the Jets? Oh, Aaron Rodgers going on? Certainly?
Is Jalen Ramsey gonna get traded? You know what happens
with the Dolphins? Those are obvious storylines. The Ravens signed
another dB. By the way, their secondary is going to

(01:14:59):
be ridict This is their secondary also always all get hurt.

Speaker 3 (01:15:02):
But did they have the best roster in the NFL?

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
Yeah? Well, look, this is the evergreen time of the
football calendar. I did one of my silly walking talks
just because I was bored a couple of days ago. Right,
but I didn't. I ranked the top five wide receiver
duos in the NFL. I mean, that is silly season stuff,
but that is clickbait stuff. Ranked the top five wide

(01:15:26):
receiver dues. I put the Eagles as number one, just
to tick people off. He should see the comments. It worked.
It totally worked. Had the Bengals too, had the Cowboys? Three?
Had the Vikings? Four? Had the Rams?

Speaker 3 (01:15:37):
Five?

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
Yeah? People lost their mind, especially Lions fans. How dare
you put Puka and Davante Adams ahead of I'm in
Ross Saint Brown and Jamison Williams. I'm sorry, I just
don't see Jamison Williams as consistent enough. And I think
Devanta Adams is going to be great. What about the
What about the Seahawks? I don't know. Yeah, sure they'll

(01:16:01):
be good JSN and I think Cooper Cups Huh.

Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
Sam Donald's throwing.

Speaker 2 (01:16:07):
Sam Darnald will throw them the football.

Speaker 3 (01:16:10):
We sure Sam Donald's be able to throw them in
the football. I know he had a great year last year.
Is it a fluke? I don't know, but I would
tend to go that way.

Speaker 2 (01:16:21):
You know. My my headline here from the Weekend on
Sam Donald is front of the program, Mike Silver's Peace
in the Athletic UH, basically long profile on Darnald saying
he knows that everything fell apart the last two weeks
for the vikings last year. He's hard on himself, he
blames himself, He's grateful for the opportunity. He talks about
the journey. You know what he learned in that in

(01:16:42):
that gap year in San Francisco and the Kyle Shanahan
School of Quarterback Rehab and all that. But he also
Mike does throws in a little nugget that basically suggests
that Tom Brady didn't want him in Vegas. You know,
Tom Brady has been very hands off. Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
I had nothing to do with the quarterbacks, right, Hey,

(01:17:02):
why didn't the Raiders take Shador? Oh I don't know.
I have nothing to do with that. I can't believe
people are making this stuff up. Tom is intimated. Oh,
it's the media saying whatever they want without repercussions. Well,
you've had John Spytech on the record, You've had Pete
Carroll on the record into open microphones saying Tom Brady's
got to have a big say in our quarterback in

(01:17:22):
our off season quarterback conversations and analysis, and the time's like,
who the heck said that? Oh yeah, those guys did
the GM that you helped bring there and the head coach.
So Mike Silver's bit Tom Brady didn't really want Sam
Darnald in Vegas. Look, Sam Darnald has kind of a

(01:17:43):
one year thing going in Seattle.

Speaker 3 (01:17:47):
Also, you know, one year thing going. This past year
worked out pretty well for him.

Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
Yeah, the Raiders gave Gino a big contract. It's kind
of a two year thing. There neither of those situations,
and a friendly reminder middle of March. A lot of
these court a lot of these contracts are funny money. Okay,
there is always a ripcord. Now very often that ripcord,

(01:18:15):
if you pull it early, comes with a heavy part,
but not a price that can't be overcome. Other than
the Brown I don't know that there is another quarterback
battle in the NFL. People point to the Saints. If
Tyler Shuck doesn't win that job, it would be stunning
if you had faith in Spencer Rattler or Jake Hayner

(01:18:38):
winning the job. You don't take Tyler Shuck in the
second round, and at his age, what twenty six? You
don't draft him in the second round, and then say
Spencer Rattler is gonna start. You just don't. So I
don't buy that the Saints are a legitimate quarterback competition.

(01:18:58):
So if you take that at face value, the Browns
are the only quarterback race in the NFL, and they're
one with a guy that failed to pick one forty
four when nobody thought he was gonna go out pick
one forty four with the magic of Joe Flacco, the
enigma that is Kenny Pickett and Dylan Gabriel. Who only
and he has detractors, I know only is the guy

(01:19:20):
that the top line on his resume says, no one
has thrown more touchdown passes in the history of Division
I college football. Nobody. Okay, he played six years. Okay, fine,
he threw a lot of touchdowns in those six years.
A lot of them coming up mail bag, right around

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This is not necessarily from the podium. But it is
a friendly back and forth that I had as Mini camp.
Mandatory Medicamp was wrapping up with Brown's corner back coach

(01:20:48):
Brandon Lynch. Shit it, Brandon Lynch. Jason Tarmer said, it's
the last day of school as we get ready, we're
taping this before the final day of mandatory Mini Camp.
But it can't be the last day of school because
you have to maintain that energy. You just came to
the podium. You are mister energy. Explain to me how
you take that energy out here for that final day.

Speaker 4 (01:21:08):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (01:21:09):
Absolutely, you know it may be the it may be
the final day of regular school, but it's about to
be a day before summer school, you know. And we
know right now like summer school, as a teacher can
be one of the most important things for our students.
So making sure that all the t's across, you know,
all the odds are dotted, you know, making sure that
our guys are moving in the right direction is the
most important.

Speaker 2 (01:21:29):
How about you personally, I've never seen you have a
bad day. How do you maintain that?

Speaker 9 (01:21:35):
You know, keep being the main thing, the main thing,
you know, and the main thing is about you know, family, right,
Like this is something that the Lord blessed us to do.

Speaker 4 (01:21:42):
Like we absolutely love to.

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
Get your son here today.

Speaker 9 (01:21:44):
Oh my goodness, and that's amazing, right, you know, he
gets a chance like he wants to do this one day,
so for him to be around like great players and
you you know, as a parent, if you can put
a young guy in a room and you don't have
to say look at this person, look at this person.

Speaker 4 (01:21:58):
But do what they do, that's extremely rewarding.

Speaker 2 (01:22:02):
It's you've been in this business long enough, and you've
been part of professional sports long enough. The coolest part
of this job, if we could do a brief side here,
is bringing your family in and letting them experience what
you do day to day standing here on this field,
standing at the field San Huntington Bankfield wherever, to like
see the look on his face or your family's face.

(01:22:24):
Isn't that what it's all about at this point?

Speaker 4 (01:22:25):
Oh? Absolutely?

Speaker 9 (01:22:26):
And you know we talk about family also our players
and teachers that we're serving, right, So like just so
that everything comes together because we talk about being one
hundred percent about the team putting it first, right, that's
part of that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:38):
All right, let's get to the PBUs to I iNTS
and so we're talked about that only four picks last year.
Jok had one of them. Yes, Secondary had three of them.
How do you turn PBUs passes broken up for those
who don't know, into I iNTS? How do you get
the turnover machine going again?

Speaker 9 (01:22:54):
Absolutely just consistent eye control, consistent foot on the gas,
and urgency to finish. I think that when we talk
about like details, we talk about being urgent to apply
our details, and then you know, having that hard and
toughness fighting through friction, making sure that is time on task.
So with our guys being here, you know, certainly like

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are our leaders MJ. You know you've had Denzel here
every single day. You've had Cam Mitchell here, Miles Harding
here every single day catching you know, more footballs on
the jug, catching them from the quarterbacks.

Speaker 4 (01:23:26):
Those reps on tasks will show in the grass.

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
I mean, Denzel said if he had just caught a
couple of those who would have gone from Pro Bowl
to All Pro, I would argue he should have been
an All Pro regardless. But it's not just the personal accolades.
Those I INT's. You know, you're not playing the seventy
snaps per game. Defensively, you give the ball back to
the offense, they can run the football. Collectively, this unit

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has to force more turnovers. Has that been an emphasis
for the entire defense here in this in the offseason.

Speaker 9 (01:23:58):
Absolutely, you know, And it all goes back to the team.
You know, we want to force errors. And with us
forcing errors, us getting tight, stand tight. It allows one
our engine to get home, and if our engine are home,
they're gonna force errors. But also that allows us to
be very resilient to the other people on the field,
which is our nerve center, our linebackers, and our safeties.

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We always talk about tipping overthrows, you know, we always
talk about we're gonna get those.

Speaker 4 (01:24:23):
We have to.

Speaker 9 (01:24:24):
So with us putting the team first and the urgency
to execute, we'll see that on the grass.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
You're a coach, you're not a contract guy. But you
also do know that you have two corners and Greg
Newsom and Martin Emerson MJ who are heading into their
final year of their deals. How do you turn that
motivation into better play?

Speaker 9 (01:24:43):
Oh, excellent, excellent question, you know, and really it starts
with being in the moment.

Speaker 4 (01:24:49):
Being in the moment.

Speaker 9 (01:24:49):
We talk about like having an hourglass, right, Like when
you first start, you know, the sand is at the top,
everything is good.

Speaker 4 (01:24:55):
But as you keep going, time is of the essence.

Speaker 9 (01:24:59):
And one of the the biggest lies that we tell
ourselves is we have enough time. So having the right
guys in the room that urgently want to be accountable
for the team, it really takes care of itself.

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
With that in mind. However, you mentioned cam Mitchell Miles Harden. Yes,
how important is this year for the two of them
to raise their game?

Speaker 4 (01:25:18):
Absolutely?

Speaker 2 (01:25:19):
You know, just have you seen that so far?

Speaker 9 (01:25:20):
Yes, I've seen these young guys accountable like I've seen
them accountable like from the whole off season. You know,
these are guys that are studious. These are guys that
do extra reps, have to practice. They're also you know,
really performing in the weight room, which we know right
now when we talk about that hard and toughness, when
we talk about like just endurance and precision, these are
young guys that we're going to have to count on

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and they're showing that they're trustworthy.

Speaker 3 (01:25:42):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:25:42):
Big thing last year is tackling in space. Yes, right,
we know how offenses are going to attack this defense
are going to make your run sideline, the sideline, can
you actually drill that? I know it's mandatory mini camp here,
pads aren't on. This is football and shorts, right, that's
more of a training camp thing. But can you work
on that in the off season at all?

Speaker 4 (01:25:58):
One thousand?

Speaker 2 (01:25:59):
How do you do that?

Speaker 4 (01:26:00):
Mind body spirit? You know?

Speaker 9 (01:26:01):
And it first starts with the mind right obviously, like
from a fundamental aspect, getting guys closer, making sure that
we're stepping on the near foot, making sure that we're
executing with leverage.

Speaker 4 (01:26:12):
But it all starts with the mindset, you know, not.

Speaker 9 (01:26:14):
Just getting to a spot, but getting to a spot
and making the play, but getting to a spot and
making the play with a violent intention and playing with edge.
That's something that's been a focal point of ours. I'm
looking forward to seeing that when it's time.

Speaker 2 (01:26:27):
What do you think of the new The kids would say,
sale is I'm too old. I'll say celebrations. I saw,
I saw Greg and MJ bust went out. I think yesterday.
Do they run those by you?

Speaker 4 (01:26:39):
You know what?

Speaker 3 (01:26:40):
I kind of do you give them notes?

Speaker 9 (01:26:41):
I kind of catch them on it now, the note
that we are all giving them.

Speaker 4 (01:26:45):
Hey, we're about to bring the handshake back.

Speaker 9 (01:26:46):
We're about to bring a high five, We're about to
bring the fist bumps, We're about to bring those types
of life, old.

Speaker 4 (01:26:51):
School, old school.

Speaker 2 (01:26:53):
And is that from you?

Speaker 4 (01:26:54):
Oh, you know that that's from us? Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
Is there a film breakdown in your meeting room on.

Speaker 9 (01:26:59):
This, No, sir, but there will be after summer school, okay,
so like after today, after today, okay, so that's like.

Speaker 2 (01:27:07):
Your your go away for the summer.

Speaker 4 (01:27:09):
Gift to them, absolutely, let's put it on take.

Speaker 2 (01:27:12):
Do we grade them?

Speaker 9 (01:27:13):
Every single thing that we do is competitive, Like literally
every single thing that we do is extremely competitive.

Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
Do you have the moves? Can you get in there?

Speaker 4 (01:27:22):
You know what?

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
I've seen you on the sideline with some but like
if you had to go out there and do it,
can you keep up with the guys in your room?

Speaker 4 (01:27:30):
You know what?

Speaker 9 (01:27:30):
I'll tell you what with the handshakes? Absolutely, but the
sally probably not.

Speaker 2 (01:27:33):
Okay, if as your son that you can keep up
with the dancing, because you heard Joe Flacco yesterday right
absolutely about TikTok dances. You're not gonna be that guy.

Speaker 9 (01:27:42):
No, no, no, now I'm not a dancer now neither mind.

Speaker 2 (01:27:46):
But you heard Joe. He said, I don't know, like,
why are people dancing on TikTok Like you're an adult
being an adult?

Speaker 4 (01:27:51):
Be an adult.

Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
Okay, this is an adult, Brandon Lynch. Enjoy your month
off if you even get that, Yes, sir, you're an
adult being an adult. Brandon Lynch, as mandatory midacamp, was
wrapping up a couple of things. Obviously, MJ needs to
have a better season than he did last year. He
kind of never looked right. He's got to play big,
he's got to play physical. He's got to be able

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to turn and run. He's got to be the guy
that we saw against Mike Evans a couple of years ago. Right,
he's got to be the guy that we saw lock
up Jamar Chase a couple of years ago. Him or
Denzel doesn't matter. Denzel had a great year last year.
I do think Denzel should have been an All Pro
last year. Huge year for Greg Newsom as well. Huge
year for Greg Newsom. I know some people thought he

(01:28:35):
might be traded in the off season. I think that
ship has sailed. Greg Newsom is going to be a
Brown barring something dramatic in training camp. I don't think
you're going to see him moved at all. And those
guys need to get back to the form that we
saw in twenty twenty three. But give me that goes
for the entire defense. When people and you know, not
going to take a shot at Florio, but when you know,

(01:28:57):
people do their rankings in the off season, it's clicked
bait in the offseason. I get it, right, he did one.
I believe this morning top thirty two. After me, he
Brown's at thirty two, right, the thirty one or thirty two? Yeah,
thirty two, oh, thirty two. Yeah, I don't buy that.
I don't because and the big reason I don't buy
that is because I believe the Browns defense can maybe

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not get back to number one overall. I think that's
a tall task, but they could get close enough to
the form that we saw in twenty twenty three where
there is no reasonable analysis that can have them as
the number thirty two team of the NFL. But a
lot is on those corners, and a lot is on
that pass rush. Whether it is Isaiah Maguire, who we
spoke to in the last episode of BPA Best Podcast Available,

(01:29:41):
or whether it's Alex's right and we see the same
guy that we saw in September when I know he
was fighting through that injury before they shut it down.
Or whether it's Joe Tryon Schryanka or Obo, whether it's
Obo Listen, Obo's got a cap number fingers crossed. We
get Obo sacking the quarterback, but somebody's got to get

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to the quarterback because it is not going to be
j Okay shooting the gap and sliding through the matrix
and bringing down the QB. But that defense can take
a massive step back towards the form we saw in
twenty three. Coming up next, we might have time for
the mail bag, if not some final thoughts. That is

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Speaker 3 (01:30:45):
I don't think we have time for a mailbag.

Speaker 2 (01:30:47):
Oh here's one. Why can't you actually keep good time
and do a show the right way? Those to me
give me.

Speaker 3 (01:30:55):
You did great, you did. It's the off season. We
can have a little fun. There's a little breathing time
we don't have. We're not clockwatching except at the end
of the show to make sure we're out on time.
I can, I can work through everything. How many times
could you squat four hundred and five pounds.

Speaker 2 (01:31:10):
A negative ghostwriter? I can't do that at all.

Speaker 3 (01:31:12):
Oh okay, John Harball did it eight times. He's on
the video right now watching it.

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