Inside the Draft returns this week, bringing expert insights from the top NFL Draft insiders leading up to the 2025 NFL Draft. This week, Jeffrey Gorman and Casey Vallier are joined by Dalton Miller, NFL Draft Analyst and co-host of the Daft on Draft Podcast. They discuss the rise and fall of quarterback Shadeur Sanders, the depth of the running back class, and the potential of the Colts adding a tight end in April's upcoming draft.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to Inside the Draft, a weekly preview of the
upcoming NFL Draft with insiders from around the country. Welcome
into another episode of Inside the Draft podcast right here
on the Colts Audio Network inside the Indiana Union Construction
Industry Radio studios, here with you every week leading up
to the twenty twenty five NFL Draft, which comes your
(00:26):
way at the end of April. As it sits right now,
the Colts have the fourteenth overall selection in the upcoming draft.
This will be the first time in the Indianapolis era
of the Colts they will select fourteenth overall in just
the second time in franchise history. They selected linebacker Mike
Curtis fourteenth overall in nineteen sixty five while in Baltimore.
(00:47):
And today here on the Inside the Draft podcast, we
are joined by Dalton Miller, who is the co host
of the daft On Draft podcast and he also does
an NFL Draft All twenty two on Patreon, and he
joined my self and Jeffrey Gorman and we dive into
the rise and fall of Shador Sanders and whether that
is real or not, and also how deep the running
back group is as we head into the twenty twenty
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five NFL Draft coming up at the end of April.
Here again on Inside the Draft with Dalton Miller, the
co host of daft On Draft podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Joining us now co host of the Draft of Draft podcast,
also does the NFL Draft All twenty two on Patreon.
We are talking to Dalton Miller. Follow him on Twitter
x at Dalton B. Miller. If you want to get
ready for this NFL draft, like we do, talk to
the best. Welcome in Dalton. How are you?
Speaker 3 (01:34):
I am fantastic gentlemen. It's good to talk to you, guys.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Brother. I got so many questions to start. I mean,
we got the cold sangle with this upcoming draft. I
got the overall NFL draft, and I want to start there.
What is going on with Shador Sanders, stock rising, stock dropping?
There's a lot of mock drafts out there that have
some teams in the twenties taking this young man.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Yes, so it's really interesting. Me and my podcast partner
have gone through. We've been very steadfast the entire time.
We believe that he's quarterback one and that has a
lot more to do with I think our skepticism of
cam Ward and his projection to the NFL than it
does anything to do with Shadur. I think that this
class is very much like the twenty twenty two class,
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the Kenny Pickett class. I don't think outside of Shadur,
Sanders and cam Ward there's even really a sniff of
a franchise quarterback. And so, I mean, teams are obviously
going to bet that the Titans are going to bet
on cam Ward. But when it comes to Shadur, I
don't think his stock is dropping, which is funny because
we've done multiple mock drafts recently between the two of
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us where he hasn't gone in the first round, and
it just kind of comes down to after the first
couple of picks, where there are some really quarterback needy teams,
it's hard to find a landing spot for him. I
think the Pittsburgh Steelers could possibly be one, but Pittsburgh.
I'm from south central pennsylvani and you know I'm around
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Steelers fans. I've been around Yinzers my entire life. I
don't know how they would deal with the Sanders family
and his aura and the way that he conducts himself.
And now I don't hate the way that he conducts himself.
I think that he is just incredibly honest and holds
his teammates accountable for better or for worse. But I
think that the western Pennsylvania folk probably wouldn't take too
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kindly of that, especially when he is calling out veterans
on that offensive line for not blocking for him.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Right.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
But then you know, you look at mock drafts and
and Daniel Jeremiah and mel Kiper both had him going
number three recently to the New York Football Giants, So
it's tough to really know where his stock actually lies.
I mean, I think he's an incredibly accurate quarterback. I
think that he can win from the pocket. I think
that he has issues with pressure, but I think that
he also in a little bit of a Drake May
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type of way, he's lived in an NFL timeline already
because he had to learn or try to learn, to
get rid of the ball in two and a half
seconds like he will have to in the NFL, where
other guys cam Ward you see Zach Wilson's of the world.
You see even guys like c. J. Stroud and Justin
Field's playing behind the Ohio State offensive lines be able
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to sit back there for three, three and a half
four seconds sometimes and shoulder. Sanders did not have that luxury,
and so yes, I do think he still needs to
improve when it comes to facing pressure, but I think
that he has actually handled pressure in a way that
a lot of college quarterbacks haven't had to deal with
as well.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Follow him on Twitter x at Dalton B. Miller getting
you ready for the NFL Draft as a whole? What position?
The one position is the beefiest, holds the most meat
of this draft? Where are we getting value?
Speaker 3 (04:50):
All value is going to be at running back? Oh,
there's so much value running back up and down. I honestly,
I've not evaluated a class like this before. And when
I was still doing some contract work with Pro Football Network,
I went through and I watched and ranked the top
fifteen wide receivers, and I watched about twenty five guys
to do that initial ranking, and I was supposed to
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do a top ten for running backs and I ended
up watching like thirty seven guys because I just kept
I kept turning tape on and I kept been Okay,
I got to watch two or three games of this guy.
I can't just watch a couple of snaps to Ceelias,
who's got some talent and I think up and down
you were going to be able to find guys in
a niche of pass catchers or pass protectors, or guys
who can get you two or three yards when you
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need two or three yards. There's just so much niche
talent at the position to where you can find roles
for these guys. It's a really interesting crop overall.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Now, that's one of the things that we heard when
we were out of the combine. That was, you know,
just about a month ago, which is crazy how fast
it flies. But that is one of the things that
you know when you look at this Colts team, you
have Jonathan Taylor, but there is still that need of
that secondary back. They signed Khalil Herbert in free agent.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
See.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
But when you look at this draft for the Colts,
I know, you know at fourteen that's probably not a
position you're going to address it. But when you look
at you talk about the depth guys there in the
third and fourth round, you see them being impact players
at the running back spot kind of early in their careers.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Absolutely, and there's no shortage of names in that late
day too early day three range of guys if that's
where you want.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
And I kind of think that overall.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Usually that's the sweet spot for running backs because you
don't see a ton of them going early. I mean,
you have the special guys who obviously go early and
deserve to go early. But those more niche, rotational guys
who have talent or have you know, incredible juice overall,
but never really got the full time workload in college
to show things off. Like a Jayden Blue at Texas
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who had some fumbling issues here and there, a Basial
Tutton again fumbling issues, but both of those guys incredibly explosive.
I think fumbling fumbling Jonathan Taylor in college, by the way,
an entirely reversible issue that we see over and over
again at the NFL level. So fumbling is something that
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I don't worry about. If you can create explosive plays,
that's really all I care about at the position. When
you are talking about a rotational guy who makes big
plays and also turns the ball over here and there.
But there are a ton of really explosive, really fun players,
even like a Brishard Smith from SMU A little bit
(07:32):
later as a pass catcher out of the backfield. You
know Corey Kiner, a former LSU guy who ended up
going to Cincinnati. He's a little bull in a china
China shop, like five foot eight, two hundred and fifteen pounds,
kind of just bowls over dudes, bounces off the dudes.
But he's super explosive as well. It is just a
really fun class overall, and you can throw a dart
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in rounds three or rounds four and find a guy.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Now, one name that has been you know, I seemingly
every time I look at a mock draft seems like
he is always there for the Colts at fourteen with
Tyler Warren, the tight end out of Penn State. But
then you talk to people about his talent level and
at the end of the day, whether or not you
label tight end as a premium position, you kind of
go with the best player on the board, and it
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could be that he may be the fifth best player
in this draft. How your draft board stacks up? So
kind of a two parted question. Is Tyler Warren one
of those guys that we might see go early and
is there a chance that he's there available at fourteen
for the Colts.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Oh, he is my sixth ranked player in this draft class.
He's a freak. And if he is there at fourteen.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
They should absolutely sprint with Card up there, Absolutely sprint
with Card because that is such.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
A glaring need for that team.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
And as a freak athlete like that, it is a
very Chris Ballard pick. Anyways, he loves those crazy athletes.
Tyler Warren is unbelievable. I could see him going you know,
his high as seven to the Jets potentially depending on
what direction they want to go, you know, when it
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comes to taking an offensive weapon. But he is somebody
who is an absolute force multiplier on offense and with
an offensive mind Shane Stikeen, who is one of the
best minds, especially when it comes to the run game
and getting guys the ball, something that he did really
well with what Dallas Goddard was the screen game as
well when he was in Philadelphia. And Tyler Warren is
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somebody who you can legitimately put in the backfield, hand
the ball off to give direct snaps to He can
throw the football as well. As a former high school
quarterback Bath Paul. He is a force multiplier when you
put him at two hundred and sixty pounds in the
same backfield as two hundred and thirty pounds Jonathan Taylor
in two hundred and forty five pounds Anthony Richardson. If
he continues to be the starter, it is an athletic
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trio that we have not seen before. So it's just
the the possibilities with Tyler Warren if he is there
and available at fourteen or endless fingers crossed.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
You can listen to the Draft of Draft podcasts and
also he is doing the NFL Draft All twenty two
on Patroons. Dalton Miller at Dalton B. Miller on Twitter X.
I need some answers if I could as a football fan,
you win games and lose games. We just saw that
with the Philadelphia Eagles on both sides of the ball,
on both sides of the line. The defensive tackle position
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of this draft, I think it has some meat to it.
There is some depth in there. We're seeing some kids
that are going four years ago getting drafted in the
third and fourth round that are signing one hundred million
dollar contracts. Now.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Yeah, and there is a lot of depth and talent
in this class depending on what you're looking for. I mean,
you have guys who even you know, surprise declarations like
Jordan Phillips from Maryland, who doesn't have a lot of
playing time. He's a red shirt sophomore. I think that
he's got a long way to go developmentally, but he
is a lot like a Lee McNeil in a lot ways,
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and it took a little while for Alee McNeil to
find his footing at the NFL level. But he's one
of the best interior defensive lineman's in the defensive lineman
in the league now. I mean there's even guys who
are he's smaller. He's not a fantastic athlete, but he's
a great player. That's talka hemingway from South Carolina. Jamari
Caldwell from Oregon did a lot to open up that
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interior for Derek Harmon as a pass rusher as well.
They worked incredibly well together. Derek Harmon, you know, as
somebody who if he's available in the second round, a
little bit like the Forrest Buckner in a little bit
weird build, a little bit tall, a little bit bigger.
He has a really good swim move, but he's an
incredibly impressive run defender. And that's something that when you
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talk about him specifically as the way that he was
built as a pass rusher, I was actually a little
bit less impressed with him in a one on one
situation when it comes to pass rushing, and way more
impressed with his ability to use his length and frame
to keep guys off of him as a run defender.
I mean, then you have some of the best run
defenders I've ever evaluated in Alfred Collins, who can't rush
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the pastor to save his life for whatever reason, can't
do it, and he might end up being a Day
three pick because of it, but is legitimately the most
dominant run defender that I have watched thirty five inch arms.
His ability to dislodge, displace, and be in the correct
positional leverage against sec offensive lineman was unbelievable to watch.
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And then guys like TYLERK Williams from Ohio State, one
of the most consistent defensive linemen I've ever evaluated. And
so some of the high end stuff behind Mason Graham
might not be there, but there are some really really
good football players. And then even guys who you know
came onto the scene late in you know Darius Alexander
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from Toledo who can play inside outside as well.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
And I know a lot of.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
People are Kenneth Grant fans I'm not there with Kenneth Grant.
I think that he's more of a late day two player.
For me personally, I see him going in the first
round all the time. I get it from the testing,
athleticism and stuff like that, but I think again, like
Jordan Phillips a little bit from Maryland, I think that
he's got a long way to go developmentally, and I
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think that at the defensive tackle position, the developmental side
of things and the mental side of things is something
that a lot of people don't give enough credit to
because they kind of devolve them down to just big
bat guy's clogging gaps or shooting gaps.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
That's Dalton Miller, co host of up Draft podcast. I
guess a generic one. I know we're getting specific on
positions right now, but how many If you could just
give me a handful of names of this draft, and
they're going to be familiar names, but guys that are
starting day one, guys you don't have to worry about,
and guys you will see in a Pro Bowl coming up.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Okay, Travis Hunter obviously, Abdu Carter is fantastic, Mason Graham
is unbelievable. The Will Johnson prospect, fatigue has been ridiculous.
I know he barely played this year. He was playing
on a bad Michigan team. He is one of the
best corners that we have seen in a long time.
If we didn't have Travis Hunter play corner, we would
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talk about his ball skills and his ability to take
the football away. Ashton JT is fantastic. Tyler Warren NICKI
Minworry is a name from South Carolina who I have
been on all season.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
Big fella, he is, yes.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Big fellow, unbelievable athlete, and he'll be billed as an
unbelievable freak athlete. But the way that he plays the
safety position is the way that modern safety is played,
and not a lot of people are giving him the
credit that he deserves from them. From the mental side
of things, I think that he is right there with
Kyle Hamilton.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
As Kyle Hamilton.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Yeah, he's the size of some edge rushers.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Yeah he's two hundred He's legitimately two hundred and twenty
five pounds, six foot three. He's a linebacker size, but
with the fluidity of a really good safety. He is
an unbelievable player who isn't getting enough credit in this class.
Even though he's going, you know, pretty high. A lot
of mock drafts these days. And yeah, I also just
say Travis Hunter again if he ends up playing wide
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receiver as well, Okay, Travis, I mean depending on what position.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Yeah, he has that. I mean, he's one of the
most polarizing figures in this draft. And that kind of
leads me to my final question here. As we you know,
stick Colt specific looking in the AFC South there with
the Tennessee Titans, new GM in place. If I could
give you a GM cap, what are you doing with
that selection? Are you taking a quarterback? Are you looking
at you know, these other guys that could be generational
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talents and you take a chance at one of those guys.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Well, it's the Tennessee Titans.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
So the new general manager is probably looking for the
next head coach because they that front office can't get
their their crap together when it comes to not having
those guys being congruent. They just fire a GM, fire
ahead coach, fire GM fire head coach, and there's no
continuity in that front office whatsoever. It's just guys who
aren't their guys, and it's a bad way to run
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an organization. What I'm doing is. I'm trying to get
out of that pick. I'm trying to trade that pick.
Brian Callahan wanted to pull his hair out with Will Levis,
and that same frustration is going to come with cam Ward,
that same frustration, the goofy turnovers, trying to you know,
write checks that his arm cannot cash. The fumbles are
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atrocious with him. I believe he has fifty college fumbles
in five years. I think that he is very much
the same player that left Incarnate Word three years ago,
and that's not a good thing as a quarterback who
needed to grow mentally. I just think that he's in
a position where his athleticism, his arm talent gets him
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through the first couple of non conference games, even big
non conference games, but then look at his performance once
he gets into conference play. Has fallen off of a
cliff every single year dating back through Washington State. So
for me, I think there's gonna be a lot of
frustrations with him. I would try to get out of
that pick. I think Tennessee is locked into that pick,
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and I think if you don't insulate him and have
him sit for a year, which they won't, they'll play.
I think that it could be another Zach Wilson situation
where he flames out quite f I would.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Love this April twenty fourth, the NFL Draft is coming
at you. That's Dalton Miller. I want to continue to
talk football with you, but sometimes the man is bigger
than the story. And what I mean by that it's
an international flavor today. This man, who is well read
on everything that goes on with the NFL, lives in Lago's, Portugal.
Could you explain that to me? Please?
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Yes, Me and the wife wanted to live by the beach,
and we wanted the sunny San Diego weather, but San
Diego was quite expensive. And we have really enjoyed Europe
every time we had gotten the chance to travel over
here and we saw Lagosh was a little the southernmost
(17:57):
part of Europe and by the beach, and we have
absolutely fallen at a head over heels for this place.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
I never want to leave.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Daldon Miller, you have done what many men and women
have wanted to do through the years and never had
the stones to pull it off. You said, heck with it,
I'm going to the beach. I don't care if it's
in Portugal, which I've been to that country awful, beautiful
and I love your.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
Choice absolutely absolutely, Thank you, gentlemen, Thank.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
You for the time.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
Dalton Miller.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
You can follow him on Twitter acts at Dalton B. Miller,
and of course he co hosts the Draft of Draft podcast,
also does the NFL Draft All twenty two on Patreon.
Sure appreciate the time, have a wonderful afternoon in Portugal,
and by all means go to the beach for us
because we have nothing here but cold weather and rain.
But thank you for payting a great picture of this
(18:45):
upcoming draft.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
Well, dude, thank you, gentlemen.
Welcome to Inside the Draft, a weekly preview of the
upcoming NFL Draft with insiders from around the country. Welcome
into another episode of Inside the Draft podcast right here
on the Colts Audio Network inside the Indiana Union Construction
Industry Radio studios, here with you every week leading up
to the twenty twenty five NFL Draft, which comes your
(00:26):
way at the end of April. As it sits right now,
the Colts have the fourteenth overall selection in the upcoming draft.
This will be the first time in the Indianapolis era
of the Colts they will select fourteenth overall in just
the second time in franchise history. They selected linebacker Mike
Curtis fourteenth overall in nineteen sixty five while in Baltimore.
(00:47):
And today here on the Inside the Draft podcast, we
are joined by Dalton Miller, who is the co host
of the daft On Draft podcast and he also does
an NFL Draft All twenty two on Patreon, and he
joined my self and Jeffrey Gorman and we dive into
the rise and fall of Shador Sanders and whether that
is real or not, and also how deep the running
back group is as we head into the twenty twenty
(01:10):
five NFL Draft coming up at the end of April.
Here again on Inside the Draft with Dalton Miller, the
co host of daft On Draft podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Joining us now co host of the Draft of Draft podcast,
also does the NFL Draft All twenty two on Patreon.
We are talking to Dalton Miller. Follow him on Twitter
x at Dalton B. Miller. If you want to get
ready for this NFL draft, like we do, talk to
the best. Welcome in Dalton. How are you?
Speaker 3 (01:34):
I am fantastic gentlemen. It's good to talk to you, guys.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Brother. I got so many questions to start. I mean,
we got the cold sangle with this upcoming draft. I
got the overall NFL draft, and I want to start there.
What is going on with Shador Sanders, stock rising, stock dropping?
There's a lot of mock drafts out there that have
some teams in the twenties taking this young man.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Yes, so it's really interesting. Me and my podcast partner
have gone through. We've been very steadfast the entire time.
We believe that he's quarterback one and that has a
lot more to do with I think our skepticism of
cam Ward and his projection to the NFL than it
does anything to do with Shadur. I think that this
class is very much like the twenty twenty two class,
(02:19):
the Kenny Pickett class. I don't think outside of Shadur,
Sanders and cam Ward there's even really a sniff of
a franchise quarterback. And so, I mean, teams are obviously
going to bet that the Titans are going to bet
on cam Ward. But when it comes to Shadur, I
don't think his stock is dropping, which is funny because
we've done multiple mock drafts recently between the two of
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us where he hasn't gone in the first round, and
it just kind of comes down to after the first
couple of picks, where there are some really quarterback needy teams,
it's hard to find a landing spot for him. I
think the Pittsburgh Steelers could possibly be one, but Pittsburgh.
I'm from south central pennsylvani and you know I'm around
(03:00):
Steelers fans. I've been around Yinzers my entire life. I
don't know how they would deal with the Sanders family
and his aura and the way that he conducts himself.
And now I don't hate the way that he conducts himself.
I think that he is just incredibly honest and holds
his teammates accountable for better or for worse. But I
think that the western Pennsylvania folk probably wouldn't take too
(03:25):
kindly of that, especially when he is calling out veterans
on that offensive line for not blocking for him.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Right.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
But then you know, you look at mock drafts and
and Daniel Jeremiah and mel Kiper both had him going
number three recently to the New York Football Giants, So
it's tough to really know where his stock actually lies.
I mean, I think he's an incredibly accurate quarterback. I
think that he can win from the pocket. I think
that he has issues with pressure, but I think that
he also in a little bit of a Drake May
(03:56):
type of way, he's lived in an NFL timeline already
because he had to learn or try to learn, to
get rid of the ball in two and a half
seconds like he will have to in the NFL, where
other guys cam Ward you see Zach Wilson's of the world.
You see even guys like c. J. Stroud and Justin
Field's playing behind the Ohio State offensive lines be able
(04:19):
to sit back there for three, three and a half
four seconds sometimes and shoulder. Sanders did not have that luxury,
and so yes, I do think he still needs to
improve when it comes to facing pressure, but I think
that he has actually handled pressure in a way that
a lot of college quarterbacks haven't had to deal with
as well.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Follow him on Twitter x at Dalton B. Miller getting
you ready for the NFL Draft as a whole? What position?
The one position is the beefiest, holds the most meat
of this draft? Where are we getting value?
Speaker 3 (04:50):
All value is going to be at running back? Oh,
there's so much value running back up and down. I honestly,
I've not evaluated a class like this before. And when
I was still doing some contract work with Pro Football Network,
I went through and I watched and ranked the top
fifteen wide receivers, and I watched about twenty five guys
to do that initial ranking, and I was supposed to
(05:13):
do a top ten for running backs and I ended
up watching like thirty seven guys because I just kept
I kept turning tape on and I kept been Okay,
I got to watch two or three games of this guy.
I can't just watch a couple of snaps to Ceelias,
who's got some talent and I think up and down
you were going to be able to find guys in
a niche of pass catchers or pass protectors, or guys
who can get you two or three yards when you
(05:34):
need two or three yards. There's just so much niche
talent at the position to where you can find roles
for these guys. It's a really interesting crop overall.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Now, that's one of the things that we heard when
we were out of the combine. That was, you know,
just about a month ago, which is crazy how fast
it flies. But that is one of the things that
you know when you look at this Colts team, you
have Jonathan Taylor, but there is still that need of
that secondary back. They signed Khalil Herbert in free agent.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
See.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
But when you look at this draft for the Colts,
I know, you know at fourteen that's probably not a
position you're going to address it. But when you look
at you talk about the depth guys there in the
third and fourth round, you see them being impact players
at the running back spot kind of early in their careers.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Absolutely, and there's no shortage of names in that late
day too early day three range of guys if that's
where you want.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
And I kind of think that overall.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Usually that's the sweet spot for running backs because you
don't see a ton of them going early. I mean,
you have the special guys who obviously go early and
deserve to go early. But those more niche, rotational guys
who have talent or have you know, incredible juice overall,
but never really got the full time workload in college
to show things off. Like a Jayden Blue at Texas
(06:50):
who had some fumbling issues here and there, a Basial
Tutton again fumbling issues, but both of those guys incredibly explosive.
I think fumbling fumbling Jonathan Taylor in college, by the way,
an entirely reversible issue that we see over and over
again at the NFL level. So fumbling is something that
(07:11):
I don't worry about. If you can create explosive plays,
that's really all I care about at the position. When
you are talking about a rotational guy who makes big
plays and also turns the ball over here and there.
But there are a ton of really explosive, really fun players,
even like a Brishard Smith from SMU A little bit
(07:32):
later as a pass catcher out of the backfield. You
know Corey Kiner, a former LSU guy who ended up
going to Cincinnati. He's a little bull in a china
China shop, like five foot eight, two hundred and fifteen pounds,
kind of just bowls over dudes, bounces off the dudes.
But he's super explosive as well. It is just a
really fun class overall, and you can throw a dart
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in rounds three or rounds four and find a guy.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Now, one name that has been you know, I seemingly
every time I look at a mock draft seems like
he is always there for the Colts at fourteen with
Tyler Warren, the tight end out of Penn State. But
then you talk to people about his talent level and
at the end of the day, whether or not you
label tight end as a premium position, you kind of
go with the best player on the board, and it
(08:19):
could be that he may be the fifth best player
in this draft. How your draft board stacks up? So
kind of a two parted question. Is Tyler Warren one
of those guys that we might see go early and
is there a chance that he's there available at fourteen
for the Colts.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Oh, he is my sixth ranked player in this draft class.
He's a freak. And if he is there at fourteen.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
They should absolutely sprint with Card up there, Absolutely sprint
with Card because that is such.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
A glaring need for that team.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
And as a freak athlete like that, it is a
very Chris Ballard pick. Anyways, he loves those crazy athletes.
Tyler Warren is unbelievable. I could see him going you know,
his high as seven to the Jets potentially depending on
what direction they want to go, you know, when it
(09:10):
comes to taking an offensive weapon. But he is somebody
who is an absolute force multiplier on offense and with
an offensive mind Shane Stikeen, who is one of the
best minds, especially when it comes to the run game
and getting guys the ball, something that he did really
well with what Dallas Goddard was the screen game as
well when he was in Philadelphia. And Tyler Warren is
(09:33):
somebody who you can legitimately put in the backfield, hand
the ball off to give direct snaps to He can
throw the football as well. As a former high school
quarterback Bath Paul. He is a force multiplier when you
put him at two hundred and sixty pounds in the
same backfield as two hundred and thirty pounds Jonathan Taylor
in two hundred and forty five pounds Anthony Richardson. If
he continues to be the starter, it is an athletic
(09:56):
trio that we have not seen before. So it's just
the the possibilities with Tyler Warren if he is there
and available at fourteen or endless fingers crossed.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
You can listen to the Draft of Draft podcasts and
also he is doing the NFL Draft All twenty two
on Patroons. Dalton Miller at Dalton B. Miller on Twitter X.
I need some answers if I could as a football fan,
you win games and lose games. We just saw that
with the Philadelphia Eagles on both sides of the ball,
on both sides of the line. The defensive tackle position
(10:27):
of this draft, I think it has some meat to it.
There is some depth in there. We're seeing some kids
that are going four years ago getting drafted in the
third and fourth round that are signing one hundred million
dollar contracts. Now.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Yeah, and there is a lot of depth and talent
in this class depending on what you're looking for. I mean,
you have guys who even you know, surprise declarations like
Jordan Phillips from Maryland, who doesn't have a lot of
playing time. He's a red shirt sophomore. I think that
he's got a long way to go developmentally, but he
is a lot like a Lee McNeil in a lot ways,
(11:00):
and it took a little while for Alee McNeil to
find his footing at the NFL level. But he's one
of the best interior defensive lineman's in the defensive lineman
in the league now. I mean there's even guys who
are he's smaller. He's not a fantastic athlete, but he's
a great player. That's talka hemingway from South Carolina. Jamari
Caldwell from Oregon did a lot to open up that
(11:22):
interior for Derek Harmon as a pass rusher as well.
They worked incredibly well together. Derek Harmon, you know, as
somebody who if he's available in the second round, a
little bit like the Forrest Buckner in a little bit
weird build, a little bit tall, a little bit bigger.
He has a really good swim move, but he's an
incredibly impressive run defender. And that's something that when you
(11:45):
talk about him specifically as the way that he was
built as a pass rusher, I was actually a little
bit less impressed with him in a one on one
situation when it comes to pass rushing, and way more
impressed with his ability to use his length and frame
to keep guys off of him as a run defender.
I mean, then you have some of the best run
defenders I've ever evaluated in Alfred Collins, who can't rush
(12:11):
the pastor to save his life for whatever reason, can't
do it, and he might end up being a Day
three pick because of it, but is legitimately the most
dominant run defender that I have watched thirty five inch arms.
His ability to dislodge, displace, and be in the correct
positional leverage against sec offensive lineman was unbelievable to watch.
(12:33):
And then guys like TYLERK Williams from Ohio State, one
of the most consistent defensive linemen I've ever evaluated. And
so some of the high end stuff behind Mason Graham
might not be there, but there are some really really
good football players. And then even guys who you know
came onto the scene late in you know Darius Alexander
(12:53):
from Toledo who can play inside outside as well.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
And I know a lot of.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
People are Kenneth Grant fans I'm not there with Kenneth Grant.
I think that he's more of a late day two player.
For me personally, I see him going in the first
round all the time. I get it from the testing,
athleticism and stuff like that, but I think again, like
Jordan Phillips a little bit from Maryland, I think that
he's got a long way to go developmentally, and I
(13:19):
think that at the defensive tackle position, the developmental side
of things and the mental side of things is something
that a lot of people don't give enough credit to
because they kind of devolve them down to just big
bat guy's clogging gaps or shooting gaps.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
That's Dalton Miller, co host of up Draft podcast. I
guess a generic one. I know we're getting specific on
positions right now, but how many If you could just
give me a handful of names of this draft, and
they're going to be familiar names, but guys that are
starting day one, guys you don't have to worry about,
and guys you will see in a Pro Bowl coming up.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Okay, Travis Hunter obviously, Abdu Carter is fantastic, Mason Graham
is unbelievable. The Will Johnson prospect, fatigue has been ridiculous.
I know he barely played this year. He was playing
on a bad Michigan team. He is one of the
best corners that we have seen in a long time.
If we didn't have Travis Hunter play corner, we would
(14:16):
talk about his ball skills and his ability to take
the football away. Ashton JT is fantastic. Tyler Warren NICKI
Minworry is a name from South Carolina who I have
been on all season.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
Big fella, he is, yes.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Big fellow, unbelievable athlete, and he'll be billed as an
unbelievable freak athlete. But the way that he plays the
safety position is the way that modern safety is played,
and not a lot of people are giving him the
credit that he deserves from them. From the mental side
of things, I think that he is right there with
Kyle Hamilton.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
As Kyle Hamilton.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Yeah, he's the size of some edge rushers.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Yeah he's two hundred He's legitimately two hundred and twenty
five pounds, six foot three. He's a linebacker size, but
with the fluidity of a really good safety. He is
an unbelievable player who isn't getting enough credit in this class.
Even though he's going, you know, pretty high. A lot
of mock drafts these days. And yeah, I also just
say Travis Hunter again if he ends up playing wide
(15:11):
receiver as well, Okay, Travis, I mean depending on what position.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Yeah, he has that. I mean, he's one of the
most polarizing figures in this draft. And that kind of
leads me to my final question here. As we you know,
stick Colt specific looking in the AFC South there with
the Tennessee Titans, new GM in place. If I could
give you a GM cap, what are you doing with
that selection? Are you taking a quarterback? Are you looking
at you know, these other guys that could be generational
(15:37):
talents and you take a chance at one of those guys.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Well, it's the Tennessee Titans.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
So the new general manager is probably looking for the
next head coach because they that front office can't get
their their crap together when it comes to not having
those guys being congruent. They just fire a GM, fire
ahead coach, fire GM fire head coach, and there's no
continuity in that front office whatsoever. It's just guys who
aren't their guys, and it's a bad way to run
(16:03):
an organization. What I'm doing is. I'm trying to get
out of that pick. I'm trying to trade that pick.
Brian Callahan wanted to pull his hair out with Will Levis,
and that same frustration is going to come with cam Ward,
that same frustration, the goofy turnovers, trying to you know,
write checks that his arm cannot cash. The fumbles are
(16:24):
atrocious with him. I believe he has fifty college fumbles
in five years. I think that he is very much
the same player that left Incarnate Word three years ago,
and that's not a good thing as a quarterback who
needed to grow mentally. I just think that he's in
a position where his athleticism, his arm talent gets him
(16:44):
through the first couple of non conference games, even big
non conference games, but then look at his performance once
he gets into conference play. Has fallen off of a
cliff every single year dating back through Washington State. So
for me, I think there's gonna be a lot of
frustrations with him. I would try to get out of
that pick. I think Tennessee is locked into that pick,
(17:04):
and I think if you don't insulate him and have
him sit for a year, which they won't, they'll play.
I think that it could be another Zach Wilson situation
where he flames out quite f I would.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Love this April twenty fourth, the NFL Draft is coming
at you. That's Dalton Miller. I want to continue to
talk football with you, but sometimes the man is bigger
than the story. And what I mean by that it's
an international flavor today. This man, who is well read
on everything that goes on with the NFL, lives in Lago's, Portugal.
Could you explain that to me? Please?
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Yes, Me and the wife wanted to live by the beach,
and we wanted the sunny San Diego weather, but San
Diego was quite expensive. And we have really enjoyed Europe
every time we had gotten the chance to travel over
here and we saw Lagosh was a little the southernmost
(17:57):
part of Europe and by the beach, and we have
absolutely fallen at a head over heels for this place.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
I never want to leave.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Daldon Miller, you have done what many men and women
have wanted to do through the years and never had
the stones to pull it off. You said, heck with it,
I'm going to the beach. I don't care if it's
in Portugal, which I've been to that country awful, beautiful
and I love your.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
Choice absolutely absolutely, Thank you, gentlemen, Thank.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
You for the time.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
Dalton Miller.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
You can follow him on Twitter acts at Dalton B. Miller,
and of course he co hosts the Draft of Draft podcast,
also does the NFL Draft All twenty two on Patreon.
Sure appreciate the time, have a wonderful afternoon in Portugal,
and by all means go to the beach for us
because we have nothing here but cold weather and rain.
But thank you for payting a great picture of this
(18:45):
upcoming draft.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
Well, dude, thank you, gentlemen.
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