December 5, 2025 • 35 mins
J.P. Shadrick and Brian Sexton catch up with former Jaguars RB Fred Taylor, Voice of the Colts Matt Taylor, CBS Sports senior writer Pete Prisco, DE Danny Striggow and Jaguars DC Anthony Campanile. The group discusses the upcoming matchup between the Jaguars and the Colts, how the weather will affect both teams game plan and key injuries on both sides of the ball.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Time for our countdown to kickoff interviews for week fourteen,
JP Shadwick with you ahead of the Colts and Jaguars
in a battle for first place in the AFC South.
Let's start this week with Mike Dempsey's weekly conversation with
CBS Sports senior writer and our Jaguars happy our co
host Pete Frisco.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Well, I think part of the thing is is they've
been more physical, and when you're more physical at times,
that leads to victories. But the other part of that
is sometimes it gets in a team's head, like and
when it gets in the team's head and all they
hear all week leaning into a game is they haven't
won there since twenty fourteen. I mean, you take the
field knowing that, and it's a weird thing. In the NFL.
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I've seen it happen over and over again. A team gets,
you know, inside another team's head and they have a
hard time getting out from underneath it.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
All right, Well, Pete, looks like you know, in the
sloppy weather forecast for today may wet in the field
at times, and the Cults are a team that wants
to run the ball, but sore of the Jags does
weather play an advantage for either side. If it gets
a little bit nasty.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Today, well, I think ideally Jackson would like to throw
it a little bit more. We know, with Daniel Jones
being banged up, that's a problem for them, and he's
a little stationary, so they're the ideal scenario is to
run a lot of Jonathan Taylor. But I think when
you look at Jacksonville, they want to be able to
throw the ball. And I think Trevor Nx is coming
off one of his best games. So if it's rainy
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and wet, I think that kind of plays to the
advantage of the Colts in that scenario.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Yeah, and Jonathan Taylor is a big part of the
reason why they haven't had the success here. The jackson
have done a good job and that goes back to
your talking about being the more physical team. Jackson number
one in run defense, but you know that's circumstantial at times.
Jonathan Taylor having a hell of the year. Who's got
the edge in that category today?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Well, and you mentioned the number one ranking and run defense,
and you got to get you know, I always say,
look deeper at the yards per carry and that's pretty
dark good too, So they've done a nice job, and
I give a lot of credit that de Von Hamilton.
He's been really good. You know what the Colts want
to do. It's just a matter of getting physical at
the point of attack. And that means all those guys
on the interior of the defense. That means the edge
guys have to set it and hold him from getting
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off the big play. And when he gets into the
loop in the loose and he's going to you got
to tackle him so a five yard run doesn't turn
into a thirty five yard run. And I think that's
the key. I look, is there an advantage, No, but
I mean it's going to be hard to contain Jonathan Taylor.
The big advantage you have, though, is that Daniel Jones
can't move that well and we saw that last week.
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He only ran the ball one time. And if he
can't move, that kind of limits what they do in
that read zone read game.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Yeah, and also you know, make some a stationary target
to some degree in the pocket. Josh Heinzellen's been getting
a ton of pressure lately. Does he need to have
a big game if the Jags are going to post
the w today?
Speaker 2 (02:44):
And you know, Mike, if they if they choke off
the run, I think they can have a big day.
It's a good offensive line, it's not a great offensive line.
They played well. I think you've seen some overachievement there.
But you saw pressure last week from the Texans. Now
the Jaguars don't rush the rush the passer like the
Texans do, but I think there's an opportunity. But if
you get the run game going, that really slows down
the pass rush and that'll be a problem. That's why
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Jonathan Tailor is the key to the entire thing. And amazingly,
they sometimes get away from him. We've seen that in
games where he doesn't get the carries he needs the
beginning and so take him away, you win the game.
Don't take him away, and you can have big problems, all.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Right for the Jaguars. They you know, haven't gotten eye
popping numbers out of Brian Thomas Junior obviously this year
peed he's on pace for well under one thousand yards.
He's only scored two touchdowns, one receiving, one rushing. But
he did come back and I thought gave a little
bit of a spark to the team last week. Very
impressed with his hustle on the fifty yard catch and
run by Jacoby Myers to get that downfield block. What
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could betj be for this team over the final five
weeks of the season.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
You know, you saw a lot of good things out
of him. It was just the block. I thought his
route running was better, and I thought he was crisper
and what he did he caught the football, he was
more precise. And the thing is, and I think Jacoby
Myers being there is a really good thing for him
because when you watch Kobe Marrier, he's a pro. And
when he's a pro, he knows how to run routes.
He knows how to sit down in his own And
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it's one thing to have a guy like Tim Patrick
come in who's also a pro, but he doesn't do
a lot. Well, now you have a guy who's a
pro who is doing a lot, and I think that
kind of bleeds into the young receivers and into that
receiver room. So I think it was a step in
the right direction for Brian Thomas. Can they get him
go into what I thought he would be before the season,
Probably not, but he could be significantly better than what
he was before he was out of the lineup.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
You mentioned Trevor Lawrence have played pretty well last week, Pete,
what do you expect from him over the final month plus.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
I think there's a confidence thing going on with him,
and it starts with I think Myers. I mean Myers.
He knows where he's going to be. He knows he's
a professional, he knows he'll sit down, he knows he
knows how to get open. And I think that confidence
of throwing to him kind of has bled out a
little bit to the offense. Getting Strange back in the
offense helps too. And I think William Code did a
really good job of play calling last week, kind of
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getting guy scheming guys open. On the touchdown pass to Strange,
you know, he had the tight end, the two tight
ends that together of the side and Marris ran to
the corner and he ran underneath it the to the
post for a touchdown. And I think he's done a
great job. So it's better. It's not quite, you know,
and I thought last week was one of his best games.
It's not quite driving the ball down the field on
a consistent basis. But you didn't need to do that
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last week. Maybe this week you do.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
All Right, here we go, Pete, Late on the line.
Who gets the W today?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
I'm not breaking that streak. You kidding me. I think
Jacksonville gets to win. I think they're playing a physical
brand of football. You stop Jonathan to tail or, you
win the game, and I think they'll slow him enough
that they can win the game. That streak remains, they
win the football game.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Ryan Sexton caught up with Jaguars rookie defensive end Danny Strigo.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
You think about it. We play a kid's game for
a profession, So what else can you do other than
go out there and have fun. That's the way I've
tried to play my entire college career and bring it
into the NFL. Obviously, you don't want to get, you know,
two outside yourself and turn into goofy, but you know,
just play with a smile on your face and go
out there and have some fun.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
I'm sure you've asked your up this, but why didn't
you get drafted? I mean, how in the world with
the way that you're playing and the way that this
team views you. I asked that question and people just
shrug their shoulders.
Speaker 6 (06:08):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Yeah, at this point, I don't really think about it.
I knew coming into this year that all I needed
was an opportunity just to go out and you know,
prove what I can do, and you know, end up
having to do it a little bit of a harder way,
which you know, I'm grateful for because you know, it
makes you really appreciate, you know how much you've put
in to get here and you know, be able to
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keep that mindset in order to keep going.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
Tell me about the relationship with a guy in the
locker next to you. You and bj Green both made
the roster as undrafted rookie free agents, and you have
both made impact plays over the last month.
Speaker 6 (06:41):
Did you feed off of each other?
Speaker 7 (06:42):
Absolutely? Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
We when we came into OTAs we grew close just
because you know, playing the same position and going through
the same things in similar scenarios and being able to
go through camp together and making the roster together. It
was huge and it's only brought us closer together, so
you know, be able to learn off each other and
have fun together and time together. It's been a blast.
Speaker 8 (07:02):
Now.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
The physical aspects of the game are obvious, but the
mental side of it. When you come into camp as
an undrafted rookie free agent, you have to have the
right mindset to be able to get through camp and
then to grow into the role that you've gotten.
Speaker 6 (07:13):
What was yours and how did you develop it?
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Yeah, I think it's a day by day thing. If
you sit there at the beginning of camp and you
look like, oh, I've got you know, this many days
of camp and this long of a season, like you're
just gonna overwhelm yourself and everything's going to get super
stressful and you're going to stress yourself out, and that's
when you start to make mistakes. So if you come
into each day like, hey, this is a new day,
go out there, put my best on tape. Your tape
is your resume, So you're only as good as your
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last play, and be able to wipe off the bad
plays and learn from them and then not spend too
much time on the good plays. You know that the
days I always thought of camp as the days go slow,
the week's go fast. So you might feel like the
day's getting pretty long, But then you look up and
you're like, oh, it's already the season. Preseason's over. Camp's over. Like,
let's get ready to go now.
Speaker 6 (07:56):
So tell me about the room.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
Right, You've got forty one forty four when you got
some established bets. How they pushed you, helped to challenge you.
What have you gained from them?
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Yeah, that a lot of knowledge. I mean, these guys
have seen they've forgotten more about football than I've learned.
So being able to pick their brain and hear what
they have to say, how they view the game, how
they watch film, you know, how they attack their opponents
each and every week. Being able to pick up on things,
Hey I think that fits my skill set, or hey
I think this fits your skill set, you know, things
like that. Being able to learn from them and see
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how they view it, it's helped a lot.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
And the pass rush has really turned on the last
couple of weeks, and listening to other guys, it sounds
like it's been tweaked here and there. Anthony Campanili's is
a very creative guy. What's happened in the last couple of weeks.
You have to get the technical side of it, but
what's happened the last couple weeks for the pass rush
to really kick up?
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Yeah, I think it's nothing that's been out of body.
I think we've done a really great job of figuring
out during the week how to beat certain guys and
certain teams and really applying it in the game, not
necessarily doing an overhaul and changing a whole bunch of
x's and o's and scheme.
Speaker 6 (08:59):
I think it's just the attention to.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Detail has really gone up throughout the past couple of
weeks as to how we're going to beat certain teams
and how to succeed against these teams.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
Let's end on this. It's the Colts, right, They're eight
and four. You're eight and four, You're playing for the
division lead. It's a big game in December. We haven't
enough of those around here in recent years in Jacksonville.
Speaker 6 (09:18):
People are excited. Do you feel that energy?
Speaker 7 (09:19):
Absolutely?
Speaker 4 (09:20):
You feel it each and each and every week we're home.
It doesn't matter you know who we're playing or you
know what the record is. You feel the fans every
single week. Obviously we know the magnitude of this game,
but you know it's just the next game. You know,
you got to go out there and perform, just like
you're playing any other team in the league.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
I caught up with the voice of the Indianapolis Colts,
Matt Taylor, this week, and there's plenty to dig into
between Division rivals. It is Week fourteen. First place in
the AFC South on the line, the Indianapolis Colts and
the Jacksonville Jaguars. The voice of the Colts, Matt Taylor,
joining us. Hey, December football, here we are.
Speaker 8 (09:53):
It's big, no question about it. Yeah you mentioned it.
Speaker 9 (09:56):
You got two eight and four teams, but it's kind
of like two different types of eight and four. You
have a surging eight and four, then you know, for
lack of a better term, you've got a stumbling eight
and four team. And not that long ago, JP, the
Colts were very much in the driver's seat seven and one,
and you know, a big dramatic win and overtime in
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Berlin right before the bye, and then at that point
they're eight and two and in first place still not
only in the division but in the conference as well
in the AFC. But you know, teams keep on winning,
and unfortunately here for the Colts, they've kind of stubbed
their toe a little bit. They've lost back to back
games for the first time this season, and they've lost
three of their last four. So I think this is
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the first time all year that you can say they've
hit some major adversity, kind of a crossroads. With five
games to go, we're gonna find out who they really
are and what they're really made of. With again, five
games to play, but three of those games inside the division,
two of them against the Jaguars, one against Houston. Still
and you know, all three of those teams, Colts, Jaguars,
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Texans still very much in control of their own destiny.
So you know, if you're Roger Gordell in the NFL,
this is exactly what you want. You want a lot
of parody, you want a lot of fan bases still
and it's still interested late in the season.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Yeah, it seems like it's anybody's game around the league.
Not there's not really a powerful team overall in the
NFL this year. Number one rusher Jonathan Taylor against the
number one rushing defense.
Speaker 7 (11:23):
For the Jaguars.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
That's the matchup of this week from the Colt's perspective.
And Jonathan Taylor, is this his best season so far?
He's had some big ones in his past? Yeah, where
does this one compare? You know? I think it is.
Speaker 9 (11:37):
And the reason why you know, I favor this season
over other seasons because he has a complimentary piece in
Daniel Jones, right, and not that he didn't have, you know,
at times complimentary pieces in the past with guys like
you know, you know, Carson Wentz and Gardner Minshew. But
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I just think the consistency this year Daniel Jones has
really separated this season for Taylor over others. And you
know Taylor in the past, he's had mega years before,
as you know JP. I mean, he was the NFL's
leading rusher. You know, he's the rushing champ in twenty
twenty one, over eighteen hundred yards that year two years ago,
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or I should say last year in twenty twenty four,
he was over fourteen hundred yards. But in neither of
those seasons did the Colts make the playoffs, Right, So
it can't be all about Jonathan Taylor. It can't be
all about the running game. And I think that's where
this season is a little bit different because the Colts
aren't all about Jonathan Taylor, even though he's having a
great individual statistical season. They have Daniel Jones to compliment him.
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In the passing game, right, the Colts have you know,
three pass catchers right around seven hundred yards. You know,
most teams would kill for that, right. The production they're
getting from Pittman and Pierce and Tyler Warren who's a
rookie tight end. So they're they're they're a little bit
more a verse on offense this year, and I think
that's helping Jonathan Taylor because in years past we get
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late in the season. And I'm not saying it hasn't
happened at times this season, but normally you'd get to
this point in the season and teams would have, you know,
the book on the Colts and plenty of tape, and
they'd say, all right, we got to stack the box
load up to stop Jonathan Taylor and make other people
beat us, And unfortunately for the Colts, it would kind
of routinely work. You know, this year. Bigger picture, the
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box has lightened up a little bit. The defense is
a little bit more spread out across the width of
the field, which is helping Jonathan Taylor rip off bigger
runs and become more efficient, which is helping his individual
statistical season be a big one so far.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Matt Taylor, Voice of the Colts with us, how concerning
is the Daniel Jones leg injury and how could that
limit him?
Speaker 9 (13:49):
You know, so far it hasn't played a huge factor
I think it's it's popped up in subtle areas, and
I think the biggest one is it's his scrambling. I
think he'll has you know you go by. I mentioned
that Berlin game right before the bye. In that game,
him scrambling out of the pocket was a big reason
why they won that game. He had six scrambles about
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fifty yards rushing. But they faced a third and nineteen
in that game. Excuse me, a third and twenty one.
I beg your pardon. He picked up nineteen yards to
get him in a very favorable fourth and two, which
they went on to convert and then went on to
win the game. In the last two games, he's only
scrambled to combine two times, and there was an instance
last week where the Colts had a fourth and one
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at the Texans nine yard line. The second quarter was
kind of kind of a deceptively big part of the
game with it being that early in the game and
the Colts, instead of putting Daniel Jones under center to
run a quarterback sneak, which he's been very effective doing
this year, they motioned in Tyler Warren and they got
kind of cute with it. They motioned them in and
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then he dipped under center and took a tight end
sneak if you will, didn't handle the snap and it
was kind of muffled and the Colts had to turn
it over on down. So you know, there's a couple
of little instances here and there where you know his
mobility is being called into question. They really haven't drawn
up a ton of design runs for him this year,
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which is kind of curious a little bit to me
going into the season because we saw that obviously a
lot last year within the aesthetics of the offense with
Anthony Richardson. Obviously, Richardson's a different animal when it comes
to just overall sheer athleticism than Daniel Jones. But it's
not like Daniel Jones the statue, right, It's not like
he's Gardner Minshew or Joe Flacco who the Colts have
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used at quarterback in the last couple of years. But
you know, they really haven't run him a lot, you know,
in the design running game, so that really is not
all that different, I would say. Just the biggest difference
is just him looking to get outside the pocket, them
calling design bootlegs for him to roll out of the pocket.
They really haven't seen a whole lot of that in
the last couple of weeks since that sibular injury came
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to light.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Matt, what's the bigger loss on defense, DeForest Buckner or
Sauce Gardner.
Speaker 9 (16:05):
That's a great question. I think you're probably splitting hairs.
But if I have to pick one, it's probably beforest Buckner.
I mean, he just means so much to that defense,
and you know, believe it or not, the Colts. It's
kind of a little bit of a deceptive stat but
the Colts ranked fifth this year in team sacks, fifth
in the NFL and team sacks with thirty five. But
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they are a very diverse They have a very diverse
pass rush. It's kind of democratic. They play a lot
of guys. I think they have nine guys with at
least two sacks, So they don't have like that stud right,
they don't have a will and Anderson or Daniel Hunter,
or in the case of the Jaguars, you know a
Josh heinz Allen, a guy that's gonna go out there
and get you annually ten to twelve sacks. You know,
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they've got good edge rushers, guys like Quitty pay and Samson,
Abacom Latu lat is still coming along. But I would
say their best pass rusher overall is their defensive tackle
into Forest Buckner. He is just the most disruptive guy
they have on that defensive line, regardless of position, and
so missing him the last couple of games has mental lots.
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You know, it's again too you kind of have to
look at the minutia of this Colts defense. The point
total they've given up the last two games has been
pretty good, pretty respectable, you know, twenty three points in
an overtime loss to the Chiefs, twenty points last week
to the Houston Texans JP as. You know, those are
very winnable numbers in the NFL. Right, you hold a
team to around twenty points, you should have a pretty
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good chance of winning. They're doing a really good job
of holding teams down inside the red zone, but they
missed the Forrest Buckner in the sense of his ability
to make plays on first and second down put teams
in third and long, and that's been the killer for
the Colts as they've given up a lot of time
of possession in the last two games. I think the
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Texans and Chiefs have ball controlled the Colts to the
tune of over seventy seven minutes the time of possession combined.
So again, the point total is good. But when your
defense is on the field for a long time and
they're giving up big plays and then meanwhile the Colts
offense is over there on the sideline just chilling, waiting
to get back into the game, that's a bad recipe.
So that's where I think they really missed. The Forrest
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Buckner is his game changing ability on first and second
down to play the run, and he's also their best
pass rusher on third down getting after the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
All Right, Matt Taylor, Voice of the Colts, with his
last one here. The last time the Colts won a
road game against the Jaguars was twenty fourteen. It was
Gus Bradley's second year as the Jaguars head coach. There
have been a few head coaches between then and now.
For the Jags has been another story. What is that
Is that discussed there? I mean, do you like coming
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to Jacksonville anymore? What's the feel?
Speaker 9 (18:51):
Oh? It is discussed? And I think the mission this year.
I know you didn't ask me this question, but the
mission this year within the fan base was to stop
talking about two horrible streaks this year. The first one,
which was eradicated was the opening game of the season.
The Colts prior to this year hadn't won a Week
one game since twenty thirteen, which is equally as inexplicable
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as the Jaguars dominance over the Colts at EverBank Stadium. Yeah,
you mentioned all the changeover and the different head coaches
for the Jaguars in that time. I mean, let's do
a trivia question on how many Colts quarterbacks have lost
in Jacksonville since twenty fourteen?
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Right.
Speaker 9 (19:33):
I don't know if you have a trivia question that sponsored,
but there you go. I just laid it up on
a tee for you. But it's really, like I said,
it's inexplicable. And you know, as you know, I mean,
some of these losses for the Colts have been to
some sub par Jacksonville teams. You know, the most devastating
loss in that series was the twenty twenty one regular
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season finale where the Colts all they had to do
was win against I think like a two or three
win Jacksonville team and they would have made the playoffs
and obviously couldn't get it. Done, and that kind of
set the franchise back and they moved on from Carson
wins after that game and all these different things that
we don't need to get into, but I think the
biggest common denominator in these losses for the Colts have
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been Jacksonville's ability historically at home to control the line
of scrimmage against the Colts and the Colts turnover margin.
I went back and I looked it up this week
just to refresh myself, but the Colts are minus thirteen
in the turnover margin in these nine consecutive losses to
the Jaguars at EverBank Stadium. So you really don't have
to be a football savant to understand why the Colts
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have come up short down there is because they don't
take good care of the football. And you mentioned Jonathan Taylor. Historically,
he hasn't had really big games against the Jaguars on
the road either, So I think, you know, those two things,
getting him going to the running game and taking good
care of the football is going to be paramount for
the Colts.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Matt Taylor, Voice of the Colts, always the best and
looking forward to seeing the Colts here in Jacksonville again.
We always are.
Speaker 8 (21:05):
I bet you are.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
I bet you are.
Speaker 9 (21:07):
Hopefully we'll see what happens.
Speaker 8 (21:09):
Just go around.
Speaker 9 (21:09):
It's always fun.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Brian Sexton also caught up with Jags defensive coordinator Anthony
Campanelli as they look for a way to stop Colts
running back Jonathan Taylor.
Speaker 10 (21:18):
I think everybody's got to do a great job doing
there one eleventh. You know, as cliche as that sounds,
but you got to play square against a guy like that,
you know, I think when you're you look at his
big runs over the course not only the season, but
his career. So many of those players are guys not
being patient with their eyes in the gap or trying
to do a little bit too much. You know, we're
not being that disciplined at the line of scrimmage. So
it takes all eleven, honestly, you know, a guy like
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that is going to make sure if you're not running.
Speaker 8 (21:42):
To the ball, you're gonna pay.
Speaker 10 (21:43):
So you got to really have a team tackling mentality,
and that it's everybody who is involved in stopping and
run against a guy like this.
Speaker 8 (21:49):
That question.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
I look at that eighty three yard touchdown in the
fourth quarter against the Falcons in Berlin. It looked like
he was down and he wasn't, so getting into the
ground would seem to be the key.
Speaker 8 (22:00):
Yeah, that's a huge part of it.
Speaker 10 (22:02):
He's a really patient runner, you know, and he really
does a good job. It's almost like you got water
in the basement. You know it's going to find a
crack in there, so it comes up and comes out
of there. If you don't do a great job tearing
off the blocks, if you stay blocked against a guy
like this, you're going to have a hard time. But
the reality is their offensive line does a great job finishing,
so a lot of those long runs are usually also
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the by product of their offensive line staying engaged in
finishing blocks.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
What do you like about your run defense? I could
point out it's number one in the NFL, but you've
been very consistent. One guy's got more than sixty yards
against you this year. What have you done well that
sets you up to have a good Sunday afternoon.
Speaker 10 (22:37):
I think we just got a lot of good coaches
here on this staff, to be honest with you. You know,
our linebacker coach Tim Luca, but I think he's done
a great job. I think Matt Edwards and Derek LeBlanc
have done a great job with the front especially, and
I think our defensive backs coaches are totally bought into
everybody being part of the run defense and everybody stopping
the run together.
Speaker 8 (22:55):
It's a collective.
Speaker 10 (22:56):
We meet as a unit a lot, and I appreciate
everybody doing that, putting the time.
Speaker 8 (23:01):
Into that every day.
Speaker 10 (23:02):
I think the guys, it really it comes down to
guys being self less, you know, and not being selfish.
We got guys who were playing the run, trying to
do their job and you know, all the while trying
to rush the passers. So I think our defensive line
has done a really good job playing square, playing with
fundamentals and trying to get better at it each week.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
And both sides of the ball, not just the defense,
but adjusted to guys being out in last week, you
didn't have Eric Armstead, You've been playing without Trayvon Walker.
How have you gotten that group to play at a
different level, perhaps with guys like bj Green and Danny Strigout.
Speaker 10 (23:35):
I think that just speaks to the people more, the
type of guys that they are. They're like such hard
charging kids, They're just they're great guys to coach. They
care about this team, they care about the other guys
in the room. They don't want to let guys down,
and when they get their opportunity, they're playing hard as hell.
So that's why they're here, you know, that's why they
made the team. We felt like they were those type
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of guys and when they had the opportunity to play,
they would go out there and show out out and
show everybody, you know, the type of guy to wear
and how they were raised and all that stuff. So
they bring that out in the field with them and
they've been playing with a lot of pride, so proud
of that.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
You know.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
We talk a lot about the talent, you know, Josh
Heinz Allen and Trayvon Walker, but it's also about the
team and that's it's a difficult thing to get to
build that sort of culture in the team room, but
you've got it with this team right now.
Speaker 6 (24:21):
They all seem to have bought in. Do you feel
that I do.
Speaker 10 (24:23):
I think that's a credit to Liam, you know, just
hammering that message every day. You know that we're not
going to accept anything but your best, and it's about
the guy next to you. And I think a lot
of times in pro ball that can get lost that
hasn't been lost here. It's a little bit more of
a high school locker room where guys genuinely care about
each other. They're trying to play their asshole for each other,
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trying to give us our best effort every day or
their best effort every day at practice, in the meetings, everything,
you know, And I know some of that sounds cliche,
but but that's real.
Speaker 8 (24:53):
I've been able to experience experience that every day with
these guys.
Speaker 7 (24:56):
Well.
Speaker 5 (24:56):
But it's not just the front too. I mean, Jari
and Jones steps in, Monterrek Brown's back, the back end
now gets Jordan Lewis back, and you've got Eric Murray
who could be back for you this week.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
How much would it mean to have everybody together.
Speaker 10 (25:07):
I think it would mean a lot to get everybody back,
but I think there's always a sober lining and the
benefit that we have going down the stretches all these
guys have played. Obviously, we wanted to have everybody out
there the whole year, but in the NFL that's not
always possible, and the older guys have done a great
job of getting the younger guys ready to you know,
they've been there, studying with them every step of the way,
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you know, helping those guys develop, and not really shutting
them out from information, but including them in everything and
helping those guys become better players. So when they had
their opportunity to get out there, we were able to
have success because you know, that's that kind.
Speaker 8 (25:43):
Of speaks to what I was saying before.
Speaker 10 (25:45):
They all genuinely care about each other and want to
see each other do well, and I think that was
a big part of why we were able to have
success through that stretch where guys were injured.
Speaker 5 (25:51):
By a final thought, Daniel Jones, the quarterback, had one
of those guys who's found a resurgence in his career.
He's battling with an injury now, but how dangerous is
he from the pocket?
Speaker 8 (26:01):
He's super dangerous. I think he's a great thrower.
Speaker 10 (26:04):
Coached against him a couple other times when I was
in Miami. Just watching him over the years, I've always
felt he's a really accurate thrower. The one thing he
is he's a really tough kid. He's a tough guy,
I should say, you know, and watching him throughout his career,
he'll hang in there. Now, you know, there's guys at
his feet up around him when he's throwing the football.
Speaker 8 (26:24):
He's still throwing it really, really accurately.
Speaker 10 (26:26):
He's probably having the best year statistically of his career,
but yeah, he's he definitely presents some issues in the
pocket for sure.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
I know it's just the next game on the schedule,
but it's a big one for folks here in North Florida.
Kind of feels that, doesn't it.
Speaker 8 (26:37):
Absolutely, it's a huge game.
Speaker 10 (26:39):
You know, we understand that, and obviously it's those are
the stakes are high every week.
Speaker 8 (26:43):
But we're excited division game, you know.
Speaker 10 (26:46):
I think the guy's attention to detail has been great
these last few weeks and down the stretch, really the
entirety of the season, and you do all that work
to get in to this point, you know, for these
big games here at the end.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
And finally, our weekly conversation with Pride to the Jaguars
running back Fred Taylor, Fred is pretty simple this week
Colts Jaguars, both teams eight and four, first place on
the line. Don't get much bigger in the regular season.
Speaker 7 (27:10):
Coach Tweak, can I stuwit up?
Speaker 11 (27:12):
I mean, I might got a few carries left for
me I know the formula, I think, and I think
it applies to this particular matchup. Run the ball, man,
You gotta run the ball. Take a pay for me
and Mojo. Same old coats, good record, very competitive group,
get after their quarterback a bit. Stop the run, run
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the ball, stop the run is the formula, but it's
coach tweak man. I don't believe I've had a bigger
smile on my face for a matchup this season than
this one so much as Steak just a great environment.
I believe it's gonna take place in and that we
act Duvall County early.
Speaker 7 (27:53):
In the week to show up.
Speaker 11 (27:54):
I believe they are and they're gonna be the de
term help be the deciding factor.
Speaker 7 (28:00):
Jaguars getting his win and you.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Know what, the Jaguars earned this spotlight, right. I mean,
they've won four out of five since by week. They
found different ways to do It hasn't been pretty, but
it's been gritty and they're right there. As Liam Cohen said,
they're not gonna apologize for wins around here.
Speaker 7 (28:16):
Oh as you should.
Speaker 11 (28:17):
You shouldn't have to apologize for winning, and you shouldn't
have to apologize for losing. I mean those things happen.
It comes with the territory. I hear you learn from losing, right,
supposed to learn from your losses. And you go back
to two of the losses they should have won, and
two of the losses here you know they really didn't
stand a chance of winning. But they were able to
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learn from those games, and I think they know what
their identity is. We have to run the football, We
have to protect the quarterback. The quarterback has to utilize
his legs to get up out of get them out
of certain situations. The defense has to continue to play
ben but don't break. They also any pressure from time
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to time, and they should be hungrier this week, knowing
the opposing quarterback has some sort of you know, crack
bones or broken bones, whatever the reports have been.
Speaker 7 (29:12):
He's banged up. Get after him, bang him up some more,
walk away with a win.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Fred Taylor with us or you mentioned you wanted to
shoot up, but unfortunately the only Taylor wearing twenty eight
is going to be on the other side today. Jonathan Taylor,
the number one rusher of the National Football League. Give
us a scouting report. What do you like about him?
Speaker 11 (29:32):
Everything? I mean, that's the simple answer. Everything we text yesterday.
I told him I'll meet him on the field Sunday,
you know, just to chop it up with him.
Speaker 7 (29:42):
Man.
Speaker 11 (29:43):
I've kept in touch over the years, even in his
down times when he was going through his injuries, and
we've become pretty good friends. So you know, he's an
amazing player. I love seeing him run down the field
that Taylor twenty eight. It just marries up perfectly to
who I used to be as a player. I think
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we have some similarities in our game. I believe I
was a bit faster, but he has to shiftingness, the
jump cut ability, he can run you over, he can
make you miss, and he can't get missing. I was
just a tad bit faster, and he does so much
in their game. He has tremendous hands and it goes
through him. You know, if you can slow him down,
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the coach will struggle. But twelve games in he's eighteen
yards shy of thirteen hundred yards, so he's averaging well
over one hundred yards per game.
Speaker 7 (30:35):
And if you give him a crack, you're gonna regret it.
Speaker 11 (30:38):
So you gotta make sure everybody's in their gap, playing
gap integrity, playing great discipline football on the backside.
Speaker 7 (30:45):
It's a lot when it comes to him.
Speaker 11 (30:48):
So he's gonna test their discipline and they're gonna have
to be ready for the challenge.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Fred Taylor with US the Jaguars defense is number one
in the NFL against the run, which is positive. That'll
be tested certainly this week. But they've done some things
here with some injuries recently. Eric Armstead didn't play last week,
Trayvon Walker didn't play. They might get Eric Murray back
this week. So the positive thing that at least we
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think most of these injuries are not season ending, So
in theory they're gonna get more guys back as the
weeks go along here, and that gives you some real
hope down the stretch here in December.
Speaker 11 (31:24):
Yeah, it does give you a hope, a lot of
optimism there knowing that you can get some of these
guys that were starters earlier in the season back. Having
starts back, the communications should be faster, you know, the
familiarity should be there, and the confidence amongst the players
you know should be there when you look to your
right or you left knowing that these guys you can
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depend on and you could trust. But at the same time,
JP I've also been a part of teams where you
want to have certain guys back, but if the momentum
is there and the guys that are out there playing well,
you don't want to lose that chemistry either. So it
comes down to the coach's decisions on which guys they're
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gonna have out there. But the good thing is two
is better than one, right, Having multiple guys that can
get the job done is always better because injuries happen,
and they happen at you know, different points throughout the
course of the game. So you know, have not that
guys back going to be good for the Jaguars. But
I question whether the momentum, you know, in the chemistry
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with the guys that have been out there throughout these
past weeks, will that be effected is always the question.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Yeah, they're getting contributions from some undrafted players and some
deep down the depth chart, which is great to see.
Let's finish with this today, Fred, I'm sure you see
the postgame locker room videos from Liam Cohen, right, how
would you have loved to play for Liam? And what
do you think about the energy that he has brought
to this team?
Speaker 11 (32:59):
You know, I love the energy just to answer that
first and foremost. I think you're supposed to get that
from a younger coach, right. I can't see coach Coughlin
bopping around, you know, in there. And even Jack when
I played for Jack there, he was a bit older, right,
younger than coach Coughlin, but.
Speaker 7 (33:19):
Older than Liam. You know, Liam is hip.
Speaker 11 (33:23):
He knows all of the slang and you know, all
this hip hop stuff and he fits that group man.
And I think the one asset that he brings to
the table is he's black and white. Black and white,
you know, there's no gray when it comes to Liam.
He what you see is what you get, And I
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love that from coaches that I've played with in the past.
You respond better, you get a better response from from players.
But more than anything, he's steady. You know, he's consistent,
and you have to be that way otherwise you'll lose
the players, you'll lose the leadership, and you lose the
locker room. And that's the one thing as a coach
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you have to be able to avoid. So he's been
tested in their losses, he's been steady. He's been tested
in their wins. He's been steady, and I think that's
the one thing that I respected and admired most about Liam,
even in our conversations, he's, you know, the same guy.
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He doesn't switch up on you. So starting there, man,
they got a shot with him so and he has
my full support.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
And they've got shot down the stretch, they control their
own destiny for the division and beyond five games to
go to against the Colts, here we go. Fred December football.
Speaker 11 (34:45):
December football, man. This is when you separate yourself. Run
the ball, stop the run. I believe it was around December.
It was early December when we broke those records against
the Colts. Hopefully these guys can break those records and
I know that'll be a guaranteed w if they do.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Thank you, Breed, we'll talk to you the post game.
Speaker 7 (35:06):
All r JP always good tappling upwards.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Colts Jaguars Week fourteen, Both teams eight and four, first
place on the line in the AFC South. Enjoy the game.
Time for our countdown to kickoff interviews for week fourteen,
JP Shadwick with you ahead of the Colts and Jaguars
in a battle for first place in the AFC South.
Let's start this week with Mike Dempsey's weekly conversation with
CBS Sports senior writer and our Jaguars happy our co
host Pete Frisco.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Well, I think part of the thing is is they've
been more physical, and when you're more physical at times,
that leads to victories. But the other part of that
is sometimes it gets in a team's head, like and
when it gets in the team's head and all they
hear all week leaning into a game is they haven't
won there since twenty fourteen. I mean, you take the
field knowing that, and it's a weird thing. In the NFL.
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I've seen it happen over and over again. A team gets,
you know, inside another team's head and they have a
hard time getting out from underneath it.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
All right, Well, Pete, looks like you know, in the
sloppy weather forecast for today may wet in the field
at times, and the Cults are a team that wants
to run the ball, but sore of the Jags does
weather play an advantage for either side. If it gets
a little bit nasty.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Today, well, I think ideally Jackson would like to throw
it a little bit more. We know, with Daniel Jones
being banged up, that's a problem for them, and he's
a little stationary, so they're the ideal scenario is to
run a lot of Jonathan Taylor. But I think when
you look at Jacksonville, they want to be able to
throw the ball. And I think Trevor Nx is coming
off one of his best games. So if it's rainy
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and wet, I think that kind of plays to the
advantage of the Colts in that scenario.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Yeah, and Jonathan Taylor is a big part of the
reason why they haven't had the success here. The jackson
have done a good job and that goes back to
your talking about being the more physical team. Jackson number
one in run defense, but you know that's circumstantial at times.
Jonathan Taylor having a hell of the year. Who's got
the edge in that category today?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Well, and you mentioned the number one ranking and run defense,
and you got to get you know, I always say,
look deeper at the yards per carry and that's pretty
dark good too, So they've done a nice job, and
I give a lot of credit that de Von Hamilton.
He's been really good. You know what the Colts want
to do. It's just a matter of getting physical at
the point of attack. And that means all those guys
on the interior of the defense. That means the edge
guys have to set it and hold him from getting
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off the big play. And when he gets into the
loop in the loose and he's going to you got
to tackle him so a five yard run doesn't turn
into a thirty five yard run. And I think that's
the key. I look, is there an advantage, No, but
I mean it's going to be hard to contain Jonathan Taylor.
The big advantage you have, though, is that Daniel Jones
can't move that well and we saw that last week.
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He only ran the ball one time. And if he
can't move, that kind of limits what they do in
that read zone read game.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Yeah, and also you know, make some a stationary target
to some degree in the pocket. Josh Heinzellen's been getting
a ton of pressure lately. Does he need to have
a big game if the Jags are going to post
the w today?
Speaker 2 (02:44):
And you know, Mike, if they if they choke off
the run, I think they can have a big day.
It's a good offensive line, it's not a great offensive line.
They played well. I think you've seen some overachievement there.
But you saw pressure last week from the Texans. Now
the Jaguars don't rush the rush the passer like the
Texans do, but I think there's an opportunity. But if
you get the run game going, that really slows down
the pass rush and that'll be a problem. That's why
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Jonathan Tailor is the key to the entire thing. And amazingly,
they sometimes get away from him. We've seen that in
games where he doesn't get the carries he needs the
beginning and so take him away, you win the game.
Don't take him away, and you can have big problems, all.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Right for the Jaguars. They you know, haven't gotten eye
popping numbers out of Brian Thomas Junior obviously this year
peed he's on pace for well under one thousand yards.
He's only scored two touchdowns, one receiving, one rushing. But
he did come back and I thought gave a little
bit of a spark to the team last week. Very
impressed with his hustle on the fifty yard catch and
run by Jacoby Myers to get that downfield block. What
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could betj be for this team over the final five
weeks of the season.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
You know, you saw a lot of good things out
of him. It was just the block. I thought his
route running was better, and I thought he was crisper
and what he did he caught the football, he was
more precise. And the thing is, and I think Jacoby
Myers being there is a really good thing for him
because when you watch Kobe Marrier, he's a pro. And
when he's a pro, he knows how to run routes.
He knows how to sit down in his own And
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it's one thing to have a guy like Tim Patrick
come in who's also a pro, but he doesn't do
a lot. Well, now you have a guy who's a
pro who is doing a lot, and I think that
kind of bleeds into the young receivers and into that
receiver room. So I think it was a step in
the right direction for Brian Thomas. Can they get him
go into what I thought he would be before the season,
Probably not, but he could be significantly better than what
he was before he was out of the lineup.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
You mentioned Trevor Lawrence have played pretty well last week, Pete,
what do you expect from him over the final month plus.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
I think there's a confidence thing going on with him,
and it starts with I think Myers. I mean Myers.
He knows where he's going to be. He knows he's
a professional, he knows he'll sit down, he knows he
knows how to get open. And I think that confidence
of throwing to him kind of has bled out a
little bit to the offense. Getting Strange back in the
offense helps too. And I think William Code did a
really good job of play calling last week, kind of
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getting guy scheming guys open. On the touchdown pass to Strange,
you know, he had the tight end, the two tight
ends that together of the side and Marris ran to
the corner and he ran underneath it the to the
post for a touchdown. And I think he's done a
great job. So it's better. It's not quite, you know,
and I thought last week was one of his best games.
It's not quite driving the ball down the field on
a consistent basis. But you didn't need to do that
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last week. Maybe this week you do.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
All Right, here we go, Pete, Late on the line.
Who gets the W today?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
I'm not breaking that streak. You kidding me. I think
Jacksonville gets to win. I think they're playing a physical
brand of football. You stop Jonathan to tail or, you
win the game, and I think they'll slow him enough
that they can win the game. That streak remains, they
win the football game.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Ryan Sexton caught up with Jaguars rookie defensive end Danny Strigo.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
You think about it. We play a kid's game for
a profession, So what else can you do other than
go out there and have fun. That's the way I've
tried to play my entire college career and bring it
into the NFL. Obviously, you don't want to get, you know,
two outside yourself and turn into goofy, but you know,
just play with a smile on your face and go
out there and have some fun.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
I'm sure you've asked your up this, but why didn't
you get drafted? I mean, how in the world with
the way that you're playing and the way that this
team views you. I asked that question and people just
shrug their shoulders.
Speaker 6 (06:08):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Yeah, at this point, I don't really think about it.
I knew coming into this year that all I needed
was an opportunity just to go out and you know,
prove what I can do, and you know, end up
having to do it a little bit of a harder way,
which you know, I'm grateful for because you know, it
makes you really appreciate, you know how much you've put
in to get here and you know, be able to
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keep that mindset in order to keep going.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
Tell me about the relationship with a guy in the
locker next to you. You and bj Green both made
the roster as undrafted rookie free agents, and you have
both made impact plays over the last month.
Speaker 6 (06:41):
Did you feed off of each other?
Speaker 7 (06:42):
Absolutely? Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
We when we came into OTAs we grew close just
because you know, playing the same position and going through
the same things in similar scenarios and being able to
go through camp together and making the roster together. It
was huge and it's only brought us closer together, so
you know, be able to learn off each other and
have fun together and time together. It's been a blast.
Speaker 8 (07:02):
Now.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
The physical aspects of the game are obvious, but the
mental side of it. When you come into camp as
an undrafted rookie free agent, you have to have the
right mindset to be able to get through camp and
then to grow into the role that you've gotten.
Speaker 6 (07:13):
What was yours and how did you develop it?
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Yeah, I think it's a day by day thing. If
you sit there at the beginning of camp and you
look like, oh, I've got you know, this many days
of camp and this long of a season, like you're
just gonna overwhelm yourself and everything's going to get super
stressful and you're going to stress yourself out, and that's
when you start to make mistakes. So if you come
into each day like, hey, this is a new day,
go out there, put my best on tape. Your tape
is your resume, So you're only as good as your
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last play, and be able to wipe off the bad
plays and learn from them and then not spend too
much time on the good plays. You know that the
days I always thought of camp as the days go slow,
the week's go fast. So you might feel like the
day's getting pretty long, But then you look up and
you're like, oh, it's already the season. Preseason's over. Camp's over. Like,
let's get ready to go now.
Speaker 6 (07:56):
So tell me about the room.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
Right, You've got forty one forty four when you got
some established bets. How they pushed you, helped to challenge you.
What have you gained from them?
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Yeah, that a lot of knowledge. I mean, these guys
have seen they've forgotten more about football than I've learned.
So being able to pick their brain and hear what
they have to say, how they view the game, how
they watch film, you know, how they attack their opponents
each and every week. Being able to pick up on things,
Hey I think that fits my skill set, or hey
I think this fits your skill set, you know, things
like that. Being able to learn from them and see
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how they view it, it's helped a lot.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
And the pass rush has really turned on the last
couple of weeks, and listening to other guys, it sounds
like it's been tweaked here and there. Anthony Campanili's is
a very creative guy. What's happened in the last couple of weeks.
You have to get the technical side of it, but
what's happened the last couple weeks for the pass rush
to really kick up?
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Yeah, I think it's nothing that's been out of body.
I think we've done a really great job of figuring
out during the week how to beat certain guys and
certain teams and really applying it in the game, not
necessarily doing an overhaul and changing a whole bunch of
x's and o's and scheme.
Speaker 6 (08:59):
I think it's just the attention to.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Detail has really gone up throughout the past couple of
weeks as to how we're going to beat certain teams
and how to succeed against these teams.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
Let's end on this. It's the Colts, right, They're eight
and four. You're eight and four, You're playing for the
division lead. It's a big game in December. We haven't
enough of those around here in recent years in Jacksonville.
Speaker 6 (09:18):
People are excited. Do you feel that energy?
Speaker 7 (09:19):
Absolutely?
Speaker 4 (09:20):
You feel it each and each and every week we're home.
It doesn't matter you know who we're playing or you
know what the record is. You feel the fans every
single week. Obviously we know the magnitude of this game,
but you know it's just the next game. You know,
you got to go out there and perform, just like
you're playing any other team in the league.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
I caught up with the voice of the Indianapolis Colts,
Matt Taylor, this week, and there's plenty to dig into
between Division rivals. It is Week fourteen. First place in
the AFC South on the line, the Indianapolis Colts and
the Jacksonville Jaguars. The voice of the Colts, Matt Taylor,
joining us. Hey, December football, here we are.
Speaker 8 (09:53):
It's big, no question about it. Yeah you mentioned it.
Speaker 9 (09:56):
You got two eight and four teams, but it's kind
of like two different types of eight and four. You
have a surging eight and four, then you know, for
lack of a better term, you've got a stumbling eight
and four team. And not that long ago, JP, the
Colts were very much in the driver's seat seven and one,
and you know, a big dramatic win and overtime in
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Berlin right before the bye, and then at that point
they're eight and two and in first place still not
only in the division but in the conference as well
in the AFC. But you know, teams keep on winning,
and unfortunately here for the Colts, they've kind of stubbed
their toe a little bit. They've lost back to back
games for the first time this season, and they've lost
three of their last four. So I think this is
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the first time all year that you can say they've
hit some major adversity, kind of a crossroads. With five
games to go, we're gonna find out who they really
are and what they're really made of. With again, five
games to play, but three of those games inside the division,
two of them against the Jaguars, one against Houston. Still
and you know, all three of those teams, Colts, Jaguars,
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Texans still very much in control of their own destiny.
So you know, if you're Roger Gordell in the NFL,
this is exactly what you want. You want a lot
of parody, you want a lot of fan bases still
and it's still interested late in the season.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Yeah, it seems like it's anybody's game around the league.
Not there's not really a powerful team overall in the
NFL this year. Number one rusher Jonathan Taylor against the
number one rushing defense.
Speaker 7 (11:23):
For the Jaguars.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
That's the matchup of this week from the Colt's perspective.
And Jonathan Taylor, is this his best season so far?
He's had some big ones in his past? Yeah, where
does this one compare? You know? I think it is.
Speaker 9 (11:37):
And the reason why you know, I favor this season
over other seasons because he has a complimentary piece in
Daniel Jones, right, and not that he didn't have, you know,
at times complimentary pieces in the past with guys like
you know, you know, Carson Wentz and Gardner Minshew. But
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I just think the consistency this year Daniel Jones has
really separated this season for Taylor over others. And you
know Taylor in the past, he's had mega years before,
as you know JP. I mean, he was the NFL's
leading rusher. You know, he's the rushing champ in twenty
twenty one, over eighteen hundred yards that year two years ago,
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or I should say last year in twenty twenty four,
he was over fourteen hundred yards. But in neither of
those seasons did the Colts make the playoffs, Right, So
it can't be all about Jonathan Taylor. It can't be
all about the running game. And I think that's where
this season is a little bit different because the Colts
aren't all about Jonathan Taylor, even though he's having a
great individual statistical season. They have Daniel Jones to compliment him.
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In the passing game, right, the Colts have you know,
three pass catchers right around seven hundred yards. You know,
most teams would kill for that, right. The production they're
getting from Pittman and Pierce and Tyler Warren who's a
rookie tight end. So they're they're they're a little bit
more a verse on offense this year, and I think
that's helping Jonathan Taylor because in years past we get
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late in the season. And I'm not saying it hasn't
happened at times this season, but normally you'd get to
this point in the season and teams would have, you know,
the book on the Colts and plenty of tape, and
they'd say, all right, we got to stack the box
load up to stop Jonathan Taylor and make other people
beat us, And unfortunately for the Colts, it would kind
of routinely work. You know, this year. Bigger picture, the
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box has lightened up a little bit. The defense is
a little bit more spread out across the width of
the field, which is helping Jonathan Taylor rip off bigger
runs and become more efficient, which is helping his individual
statistical season be a big one so far.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Matt Taylor, Voice of the Colts with us, how concerning
is the Daniel Jones leg injury and how could that
limit him?
Speaker 9 (13:49):
You know, so far it hasn't played a huge factor
I think it's it's popped up in subtle areas, and
I think the biggest one is it's his scrambling. I
think he'll has you know you go by. I mentioned
that Berlin game right before the bye. In that game,
him scrambling out of the pocket was a big reason
why they won that game. He had six scrambles about
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fifty yards rushing. But they faced a third and nineteen
in that game. Excuse me, a third and twenty one.
I beg your pardon. He picked up nineteen yards to
get him in a very favorable fourth and two, which
they went on to convert and then went on to
win the game. In the last two games, he's only
scrambled to combine two times, and there was an instance
last week where the Colts had a fourth and one
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at the Texans nine yard line. The second quarter was
kind of kind of a deceptively big part of the
game with it being that early in the game and
the Colts, instead of putting Daniel Jones under center to
run a quarterback sneak, which he's been very effective doing
this year, they motioned in Tyler Warren and they got
kind of cute with it. They motioned them in and
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then he dipped under center and took a tight end
sneak if you will, didn't handle the snap and it
was kind of muffled and the Colts had to turn
it over on down. So you know, there's a couple
of little instances here and there where you know his
mobility is being called into question. They really haven't drawn
up a ton of design runs for him this year,
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which is kind of curious a little bit to me
going into the season because we saw that obviously a
lot last year within the aesthetics of the offense with
Anthony Richardson. Obviously, Richardson's a different animal when it comes
to just overall sheer athleticism than Daniel Jones. But it's
not like Daniel Jones the statue, right, It's not like
he's Gardner Minshew or Joe Flacco who the Colts have
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used at quarterback in the last couple of years. But
you know, they really haven't run him a lot, you know,
in the design running game, so that really is not
all that different, I would say. Just the biggest difference
is just him looking to get outside the pocket, them
calling design bootlegs for him to roll out of the pocket.
They really haven't seen a whole lot of that in
the last couple of weeks since that sibular injury came
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to light.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Matt, what's the bigger loss on defense, DeForest Buckner or
Sauce Gardner.
Speaker 9 (16:05):
That's a great question. I think you're probably splitting hairs.
But if I have to pick one, it's probably beforest Buckner.
I mean, he just means so much to that defense,
and you know, believe it or not, the Colts. It's
kind of a little bit of a deceptive stat but
the Colts ranked fifth this year in team sacks, fifth
in the NFL and team sacks with thirty five. But
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they are a very diverse They have a very diverse
pass rush. It's kind of democratic. They play a lot
of guys. I think they have nine guys with at
least two sacks, So they don't have like that stud right,
they don't have a will and Anderson or Daniel Hunter,
or in the case of the Jaguars, you know a
Josh heinz Allen, a guy that's gonna go out there
and get you annually ten to twelve sacks. You know,
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they've got good edge rushers, guys like Quitty pay and Samson,
Abacom Latu lat is still coming along. But I would
say their best pass rusher overall is their defensive tackle
into Forest Buckner. He is just the most disruptive guy
they have on that defensive line, regardless of position, and
so missing him the last couple of games has mental lots.
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You know, it's again too you kind of have to
look at the minutia of this Colts defense. The point
total they've given up the last two games has been
pretty good, pretty respectable, you know, twenty three points in
an overtime loss to the Chiefs, twenty points last week
to the Houston Texans JP as. You know, those are
very winnable numbers in the NFL. Right, you hold a
team to around twenty points, you should have a pretty
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good chance of winning. They're doing a really good job
of holding teams down inside the red zone, but they
missed the Forrest Buckner in the sense of his ability
to make plays on first and second down put teams
in third and long, and that's been the killer for
the Colts as they've given up a lot of time
of possession in the last two games. I think the
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Texans and Chiefs have ball controlled the Colts to the
tune of over seventy seven minutes the time of possession combined.
So again, the point total is good. But when your
defense is on the field for a long time and
they're giving up big plays and then meanwhile the Colts
offense is over there on the sideline just chilling, waiting
to get back into the game, that's a bad recipe.
So that's where I think they really missed. The Forrest
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Buckner is his game changing ability on first and second
down to play the run, and he's also their best
pass rusher on third down getting after the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
All Right, Matt Taylor, Voice of the Colts, with his
last one here. The last time the Colts won a
road game against the Jaguars was twenty fourteen. It was
Gus Bradley's second year as the Jaguars head coach. There
have been a few head coaches between then and now.
For the Jags has been another story. What is that
Is that discussed there? I mean, do you like coming
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to Jacksonville anymore? What's the feel?
Speaker 9 (18:51):
Oh? It is discussed? And I think the mission this year.
I know you didn't ask me this question, but the
mission this year within the fan base was to stop
talking about two horrible streaks this year. The first one,
which was eradicated was the opening game of the season.
The Colts prior to this year hadn't won a Week
one game since twenty thirteen, which is equally as inexplicable
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as the Jaguars dominance over the Colts at EverBank Stadium. Yeah,
you mentioned all the changeover and the different head coaches
for the Jaguars in that time. I mean, let's do
a trivia question on how many Colts quarterbacks have lost
in Jacksonville since twenty fourteen?
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Right.
Speaker 9 (19:33):
I don't know if you have a trivia question that sponsored,
but there you go. I just laid it up on
a tee for you. But it's really, like I said,
it's inexplicable. And you know, as you know, I mean,
some of these losses for the Colts have been to
some sub par Jacksonville teams. You know, the most devastating
loss in that series was the twenty twenty one regular
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season finale where the Colts all they had to do
was win against I think like a two or three
win Jacksonville team and they would have made the playoffs
and obviously couldn't get it. Done, and that kind of
set the franchise back and they moved on from Carson
wins after that game and all these different things that
we don't need to get into, but I think the
biggest common denominator in these losses for the Colts have
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been Jacksonville's ability historically at home to control the line
of scrimmage against the Colts and the Colts turnover margin.
I went back and I looked it up this week
just to refresh myself, but the Colts are minus thirteen
in the turnover margin in these nine consecutive losses to
the Jaguars at EverBank Stadium. So you really don't have
to be a football savant to understand why the Colts
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have come up short down there is because they don't
take good care of the football. And you mentioned Jonathan Taylor. Historically,
he hasn't had really big games against the Jaguars on
the road either, So I think, you know, those two things,
getting him going to the running game and taking good
care of the football is going to be paramount for
the Colts.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Matt Taylor, Voice of the Colts, always the best and
looking forward to seeing the Colts here in Jacksonville again.
We always are.
Speaker 8 (21:05):
I bet you are.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
I bet you are.
Speaker 9 (21:07):
Hopefully we'll see what happens.
Speaker 8 (21:09):
Just go around.
Speaker 9 (21:09):
It's always fun.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Brian Sexton also caught up with Jags defensive coordinator Anthony
Campanelli as they look for a way to stop Colts
running back Jonathan Taylor.
Speaker 10 (21:18):
I think everybody's got to do a great job doing
there one eleventh. You know, as cliche as that sounds,
but you got to play square against a guy like that,
you know, I think when you're you look at his
big runs over the course not only the season, but
his career. So many of those players are guys not
being patient with their eyes in the gap or trying
to do a little bit too much. You know, we're
not being that disciplined at the line of scrimmage. So
it takes all eleven, honestly, you know, a guy like
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that is going to make sure if you're not running.
Speaker 8 (21:42):
To the ball, you're gonna pay.
Speaker 10 (21:43):
So you got to really have a team tackling mentality,
and that it's everybody who is involved in stopping and
run against a guy like this.
Speaker 8 (21:49):
That question.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
I look at that eighty three yard touchdown in the
fourth quarter against the Falcons in Berlin. It looked like
he was down and he wasn't, so getting into the
ground would seem to be the key.
Speaker 8 (22:00):
Yeah, that's a huge part of it.
Speaker 10 (22:02):
He's a really patient runner, you know, and he really
does a good job. It's almost like you got water
in the basement. You know it's going to find a
crack in there, so it comes up and comes out
of there. If you don't do a great job tearing
off the blocks, if you stay blocked against a guy
like this, you're going to have a hard time. But
the reality is their offensive line does a great job finishing,
so a lot of those long runs are usually also
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the by product of their offensive line staying engaged in
finishing blocks.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
What do you like about your run defense? I could
point out it's number one in the NFL, but you've
been very consistent. One guy's got more than sixty yards
against you this year. What have you done well that
sets you up to have a good Sunday afternoon.
Speaker 10 (22:37):
I think we just got a lot of good coaches
here on this staff, to be honest with you. You know,
our linebacker coach Tim Luca, but I think he's done
a great job. I think Matt Edwards and Derek LeBlanc
have done a great job with the front especially, and
I think our defensive backs coaches are totally bought into
everybody being part of the run defense and everybody stopping
the run together.
Speaker 8 (22:55):
It's a collective.
Speaker 10 (22:56):
We meet as a unit a lot, and I appreciate
everybody doing that, putting the time.
Speaker 8 (23:01):
Into that every day.
Speaker 10 (23:02):
I think the guys, it really it comes down to
guys being self less, you know, and not being selfish.
We got guys who were playing the run, trying to
do their job and you know, all the while trying
to rush the passers. So I think our defensive line
has done a really good job playing square, playing with
fundamentals and trying to get better at it each week.
Speaker 5 (23:20):
And both sides of the ball, not just the defense,
but adjusted to guys being out in last week, you
didn't have Eric Armstead, You've been playing without Trayvon Walker.
How have you gotten that group to play at a
different level, perhaps with guys like bj Green and Danny Strigout.
Speaker 10 (23:35):
I think that just speaks to the people more, the
type of guys that they are. They're like such hard
charging kids, They're just they're great guys to coach. They
care about this team, they care about the other guys
in the room. They don't want to let guys down,
and when they get their opportunity, they're playing hard as hell.
So that's why they're here, you know, that's why they
made the team. We felt like they were those type
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of guys and when they had the opportunity to play,
they would go out there and show out out and
show everybody, you know, the type of guy to wear
and how they were raised and all that stuff. So
they bring that out in the field with them and
they've been playing with a lot of pride, so proud
of that.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
You know.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
We talk a lot about the talent, you know, Josh
Heinz Allen and Trayvon Walker, but it's also about the
team and that's it's a difficult thing to get to
build that sort of culture in the team room, but
you've got it with this team right now.
Speaker 6 (24:21):
They all seem to have bought in. Do you feel
that I do.
Speaker 10 (24:23):
I think that's a credit to Liam, you know, just
hammering that message every day. You know that we're not
going to accept anything but your best, and it's about
the guy next to you. And I think a lot
of times in pro ball that can get lost that
hasn't been lost here. It's a little bit more of
a high school locker room where guys genuinely care about
each other. They're trying to play their asshole for each other,
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trying to give us our best effort every day or
their best effort every day at practice, in the meetings, everything,
you know, And I know some of that sounds cliche,
but but that's real.
Speaker 8 (24:53):
I've been able to experience experience that every day with
these guys.
Speaker 7 (24:56):
Well.
Speaker 5 (24:56):
But it's not just the front too. I mean, Jari
and Jones steps in, Monterrek Brown's back, the back end
now gets Jordan Lewis back, and you've got Eric Murray
who could be back for you this week.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
How much would it mean to have everybody together.
Speaker 10 (25:07):
I think it would mean a lot to get everybody back,
but I think there's always a sober lining and the
benefit that we have going down the stretches all these
guys have played. Obviously, we wanted to have everybody out
there the whole year, but in the NFL that's not
always possible, and the older guys have done a great
job of getting the younger guys ready to you know,
they've been there, studying with them every step of the way,
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you know, helping those guys develop, and not really shutting
them out from information, but including them in everything and
helping those guys become better players. So when they had
their opportunity to get out there, we were able to
have success because you know, that's that kind.
Speaker 8 (25:43):
Of speaks to what I was saying before.
Speaker 10 (25:45):
They all genuinely care about each other and want to
see each other do well, and I think that was
a big part of why we were able to have
success through that stretch where guys were injured.
Speaker 5 (25:51):
By a final thought, Daniel Jones, the quarterback, had one
of those guys who's found a resurgence in his career.
He's battling with an injury now, but how dangerous is
he from the pocket?
Speaker 8 (26:01):
He's super dangerous. I think he's a great thrower.
Speaker 10 (26:04):
Coached against him a couple other times when I was
in Miami. Just watching him over the years, I've always
felt he's a really accurate thrower. The one thing he
is he's a really tough kid. He's a tough guy,
I should say, you know, and watching him throughout his career,
he'll hang in there. Now, you know, there's guys at
his feet up around him when he's throwing the football.
Speaker 8 (26:24):
He's still throwing it really, really accurately.
Speaker 10 (26:26):
He's probably having the best year statistically of his career,
but yeah, he's he definitely presents some issues in the
pocket for sure.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
I know it's just the next game on the schedule,
but it's a big one for folks here in North Florida.
Kind of feels that, doesn't it.
Speaker 8 (26:37):
Absolutely, it's a huge game.
Speaker 10 (26:39):
You know, we understand that, and obviously it's those are
the stakes are high every week.
Speaker 8 (26:43):
But we're excited division game, you know.
Speaker 10 (26:46):
I think the guy's attention to detail has been great
these last few weeks and down the stretch, really the
entirety of the season, and you do all that work
to get in to this point, you know, for these
big games here at the end.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
And finally, our weekly conversation with Pride to the Jaguars
running back Fred Taylor, Fred is pretty simple this week
Colts Jaguars, both teams eight and four, first place on
the line. Don't get much bigger in the regular season.
Speaker 7 (27:10):
Coach Tweak, can I stuwit up?
Speaker 11 (27:12):
I mean, I might got a few carries left for
me I know the formula, I think, and I think
it applies to this particular matchup. Run the ball, man,
You gotta run the ball. Take a pay for me
and Mojo. Same old coats, good record, very competitive group,
get after their quarterback a bit. Stop the run, run
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the ball, stop the run is the formula, but it's
coach tweak man. I don't believe I've had a bigger
smile on my face for a matchup this season than
this one so much as Steak just a great environment.
I believe it's gonna take place in and that we
act Duvall County early.
Speaker 7 (27:53):
In the week to show up.
Speaker 11 (27:54):
I believe they are and they're gonna be the de
term help be the deciding factor.
Speaker 7 (28:00):
Jaguars getting his win and you.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Know what, the Jaguars earned this spotlight, right. I mean,
they've won four out of five since by week. They
found different ways to do It hasn't been pretty, but
it's been gritty and they're right there. As Liam Cohen said,
they're not gonna apologize for wins around here.
Speaker 7 (28:16):
Oh as you should.
Speaker 11 (28:17):
You shouldn't have to apologize for winning, and you shouldn't
have to apologize for losing. I mean those things happen.
It comes with the territory. I hear you learn from losing, right,
supposed to learn from your losses. And you go back
to two of the losses they should have won, and
two of the losses here you know they really didn't
stand a chance of winning. But they were able to
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learn from those games, and I think they know what
their identity is. We have to run the football, We
have to protect the quarterback. The quarterback has to utilize
his legs to get up out of get them out
of certain situations. The defense has to continue to play
ben but don't break. They also any pressure from time
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to time, and they should be hungrier this week, knowing
the opposing quarterback has some sort of you know, crack
bones or broken bones, whatever the reports have been.
Speaker 7 (29:12):
He's banged up. Get after him, bang him up some more,
walk away with a win.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Fred Taylor with us or you mentioned you wanted to
shoot up, but unfortunately the only Taylor wearing twenty eight
is going to be on the other side today. Jonathan Taylor,
the number one rusher of the National Football League. Give
us a scouting report. What do you like about him?
Speaker 11 (29:32):
Everything? I mean, that's the simple answer. Everything we text yesterday.
I told him I'll meet him on the field Sunday,
you know, just to chop it up with him.
Speaker 7 (29:42):
Man.
Speaker 11 (29:43):
I've kept in touch over the years, even in his
down times when he was going through his injuries, and
we've become pretty good friends. So you know, he's an
amazing player. I love seeing him run down the field
that Taylor twenty eight. It just marries up perfectly to
who I used to be as a player. I think
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we have some similarities in our game. I believe I
was a bit faster, but he has to shiftingness, the
jump cut ability, he can run you over, he can
make you miss, and he can't get missing. I was
just a tad bit faster, and he does so much
in their game. He has tremendous hands and it goes
through him. You know, if you can slow him down,
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the coach will struggle. But twelve games in he's eighteen
yards shy of thirteen hundred yards, so he's averaging well
over one hundred yards per game.
Speaker 7 (30:35):
And if you give him a crack, you're gonna regret it.
Speaker 11 (30:38):
So you gotta make sure everybody's in their gap, playing
gap integrity, playing great discipline football on the backside.
Speaker 7 (30:45):
It's a lot when it comes to him.
Speaker 11 (30:48):
So he's gonna test their discipline and they're gonna have
to be ready for the challenge.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Fred Taylor with US the Jaguars defense is number one
in the NFL against the run, which is positive. That'll
be tested certainly this week. But they've done some things
here with some injuries recently. Eric Armstead didn't play last week,
Trayvon Walker didn't play. They might get Eric Murray back
this week. So the positive thing that at least we
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think most of these injuries are not season ending, So
in theory they're gonna get more guys back as the
weeks go along here, and that gives you some real
hope down the stretch here in December.
Speaker 11 (31:24):
Yeah, it does give you a hope, a lot of
optimism there knowing that you can get some of these
guys that were starters earlier in the season back. Having
starts back, the communications should be faster, you know, the
familiarity should be there, and the confidence amongst the players
you know should be there when you look to your
right or you left knowing that these guys you can
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depend on and you could trust. But at the same time,
JP I've also been a part of teams where you
want to have certain guys back, but if the momentum
is there and the guys that are out there playing well,
you don't want to lose that chemistry either. So it
comes down to the coach's decisions on which guys they're
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gonna have out there. But the good thing is two
is better than one, right, Having multiple guys that can
get the job done is always better because injuries happen,
and they happen at you know, different points throughout the
course of the game. So you know, have not that
guys back going to be good for the Jaguars. But
I question whether the momentum, you know, in the chemistry
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with the guys that have been out there throughout these
past weeks, will that be effected is always the question.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Yeah, they're getting contributions from some undrafted players and some
deep down the depth chart, which is great to see.
Let's finish with this today, Fred, I'm sure you see
the postgame locker room videos from Liam Cohen, right, how
would you have loved to play for Liam? And what
do you think about the energy that he has brought
to this team?
Speaker 11 (32:59):
You know, I love the energy just to answer that
first and foremost. I think you're supposed to get that
from a younger coach, right. I can't see coach Coughlin
bopping around, you know, in there. And even Jack when
I played for Jack there, he was a bit older, right,
younger than coach Coughlin, but.
Speaker 7 (33:19):
Older than Liam. You know, Liam is hip.
Speaker 11 (33:23):
He knows all of the slang and you know, all
this hip hop stuff and he fits that group man.
And I think the one asset that he brings to
the table is he's black and white. Black and white,
you know, there's no gray when it comes to Liam.
He what you see is what you get, And I
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love that from coaches that I've played with in the past.
You respond better, you get a better response from from players.
But more than anything, he's steady. You know, he's consistent,
and you have to be that way otherwise you'll lose
the players, you'll lose the leadership, and you lose the
locker room. And that's the one thing as a coach
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you have to be able to avoid. So he's been
tested in their losses, he's been steady. He's been tested
in their wins. He's been steady, and I think that's
the one thing that I respected and admired most about Liam,
even in our conversations, he's, you know, the same guy.
(34:24):
He doesn't switch up on you. So starting there, man,
they got a shot with him so and he has
my full support.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
And they've got shot down the stretch, they control their
own destiny for the division and beyond five games to
go to against the Colts, here we go. Fred December football.
Speaker 11 (34:45):
December football, man. This is when you separate yourself. Run
the ball, stop the run. I believe it was around December.
It was early December when we broke those records against
the Colts. Hopefully these guys can break those records and
I know that'll be a guaranteed w if they do.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Thank you, Breed, we'll talk to you the post game.
Speaker 7 (35:06):
All r JP always good tappling upwards.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Colts Jaguars Week fourteen, Both teams eight and four, first
place on the line in the AFC South. Enjoy the game.
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