October 10, 2025 • 31 mins
J.P. Shadrick and Brian Sexton catch up with former Jaguars' RB Fred Taylor, Seahawks radio analyst Dave Wyman, CBS Sports senior writer Pete Prisco, RT Anton Harrison and Jaguars QB coach Spencer Whipple. The group discusses the Seahawks' strong start to the season, the perception of the Jaguars around the league and more.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Here are our Countdown to Kickoff interviews for Week six.
JP Shatwick with You and this week, the four and
one Jaguars host the three and two Seattle Seahawks at
EverBank Stadium. This week, I caught up with Seahawks radio
analyst Dave Wyman for the latest on their early season success.
Countdown to Kickoff continues. The Jaguars welcome the Seattle Seahawks
to EverBank Stadium. The Jags at four and one the
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Seahawks three and two. Dave Wyman is the radio analyst
for the Seattle Seahawks. We're gonna go in depth to
the opponent this week. Let's start, David. I mean, this
offense in Seattle's right there near the top of the
NFL and Sam Donald has seemingly found a home. Why
has this been so successful so far?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Yeah, it's it's really interesting kind of what especially the
matchup last week of two sort of quarterbacks that lost
their way and you know, then got into a system
that really helped them. And that's really what's been the
key I think for Sam Donald. And yeah, I was
just to do like a breakdown of him from the
game the other day. His pocket awareness is amazing, and
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that's one of the hardest things to do, you know,
as a quarter I wouldn't know because I played linebacker,
but but you know, you've got the sort of your
whole world crashing around you. You've got defensive linemen and
these big, fire breathing dragons, you know, pass rushing these days,
and you still have to keep your eyes downfield. And
that's what he does really well, Like he just kind
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of feels the pocket, finds the open crease, and then
you know, delivers the ball and it just he's been
very accurate, and you know, he had a couple of
plays that were, you know, that kind of lost games,
but it wasn't his fall. I mean, he gets pushed
into and fumbles the ball in Game one against San Francisco,
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and then this last week he got hit ball skips
off of a helmet and then you know, he throws
an interception. So there's a little bit of criticism for
him because of that, but I don't think those were
his I don't think those were his fault. And he
looks like the good Sam Darnold that everybody has seen.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Helps when you have that talented wide receiver around you.
To Jackson Smith, and Jig has been fantastic. Of course,
we know all about Cooper Cup, so those guys working
in tandem has been pretty strong and tough to defend.
How do you slow those guys down or do you
want to even tell us that's that would be the
give it away the game plan?
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yeah, I don't think. I don't think I have the
need of that. But now those guys are both really good.
I mean, Cooper Cup, I think it took him a
while to kind of get going, but once everybody sees,
you know his value and.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Jays N is kind of the same way.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
You know. It's kind of interesting because during the preseason
we got a chance to talk to Jackson and I
kind of wanted to ask this question, but I thought
it would be like kind of rude, so my guy
Michael Bennett asked it instead, and basically what he said
is what I think is like, you're not that big,
you're not that fast, you got good hands, but like
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what makes you special? You know, it's kind of insulting
to him, I guess, but yeah, I mean it's him
and Cooper Cupp are kind of the same way. They're
sort of mid range size guys that just run really
good routes and catch the ball. I mean, that's that's
all you really need to do. So and Sam Darnold
is doing a good job with both of those guys
throwing him open, you know, at times where he thinks
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they need to take a little bit of a sharper
angle or whatever, and he'll throw the ball that way,
and they've had a lot of success.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Dave Wyman with a Seahawks radio analyst. You know, I
call it a game of Kennis Walker the third in
college at Michigan State where he scored five touchdowns in
the game that quite it was against Michigan. He's at
quite to that level. But where is the run game
for Seattle that helps balance all this out?
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Yeah, I think it's still a work in progress. And really,
I mean I think Canine is the one that has
stepped up and you know, kind of shown to be.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
The number one.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
But there are lots of times where I look at
Sharbonna Zach Sharbonaye to get out of UCLA and go
he might be a better back, you know, and I
as a former linebacker, he's a guy that can humiliate you,
you know, if you if you try to take him
on and you're you know, a little bit light in
your stands, you're gonna get run over. No linebacker wants that.
So yeah, they're they're kind of going back and forth.
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It'd be nice to know who the sort of belcow is.
But I think it's working itself out. I think there's
a lot more good things to come in the run game.
But I'd say so far it's been just Okay.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Dave, let's touch on this defense here and the run defense.
I mean, the Jaguars are running the ball pretty well,
but this is a group that really seems to make
an emphasis early in the game that nothing's getting past
the front seven. How are they so effective against the run?
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Well, first of all, you just got three bullies up
front for really, if you if you count Derek Hall,
but you know you've got Jared Reid and you know,
you got Big Cat and Byron Murphy the first rounder
from a couple of years ago, and those guys, you know,
typically that was the problem against Tampa Bay. They didn't
get much pressure with just rushing for and they've kind
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of just rushed for. But as far as you know,
stopping the run, those guys are just I mean, you
can't double team them most of you know, those three
guys all can beat double teams, and I've seen them
do that pretty consistently this year. So then you've got
a really instinctive linebacker in the middle, Ernest Jones, and
he's a great leader. So yeah, I mean that the
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defense really struggled last week though, And the reason why
it was the second well not necessarily the single reason,
but they did have a lot of backups and and
you know, they were missing two of their better players,
Julian Love and Devin Wetherspon. So those guys aren't you know,
they'll play up in the box every once in a while,
but yeah, just they just missed those guys. And I
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thought a lot of some of the backups for the
Seahawks kind of showed why they were backups.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
What is the outside of view, at least the Pacific
Northwest view of the Jaguars now at four and one,
what stands out the most.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
That they're a problem, you know, and we were all
checking off our win loss before the season, and you know,
of course Jacksonville is a w and now all of
a sudden you're looking at it going, oh man, you know,
my very first time broadcasting with Rabel, who's the voice
of the Seahawks, was twenty seventeen in Jacksonville, and it
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kind of reminds me of that that team a little
bit in that, you know, they've had poor records leading
up to it and just had been just drafting baller
after baller after baller, and then you know, they ended
up making making it to the AFC Championship game against
New England and lost that one. But it kind of
reminds me that's what Jacksonville kind of looks like to me.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Right now.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
You've got the linebacker Lloyd who has four interceptions. I
mean that's more than I had in my whole career.
So he's done it in five games or four games.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
So anyway, Yeah, I mean it looks like you just
have a bunch of really good players and kind of
reminds me of that time in j Jaguar history where
you know, it was like the compilation of just a
number of you know.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Top ten, top fifteen picks in the draft.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Twenty seventeen game was I think one of the Seahawks
players try to come fight some fans and they had
to hold back. It was a crazy game. It was
a crazy time.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Never forget that. The guy who's our equipment manager, Eric Kennedy,
I've known him since he was a high schooler. He
was like a ball boy and now he runs the
whole show and I remember him and I won't say
who the player was, but he was like holding him
by his waist, trying to drag him back down and
not go into the crowd. And I think it was
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like pulling his pants down and he was just hanging
on for life.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
And yeah, that was wild.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
They interviewed the fans later. They were like, he didn't
want to come in this front row, So then you
know how fans are sometimes you never know. Let's hope
it doesn't come to that this week. Looking forward to it.
Thanks to the time Day Appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Okay, thanks JP.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Each week, Mike Dempsey has a Converse station with CBS
Sports Senior Rider and our Jaguars Happy, our co host
on Monday's Pete Brisco, Well.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
I think it tells you that they want somebody that
fits their scheme better, and I think Newsome fits what
they want to do better, which is play looking at
the quarterback and play more zone. And Tyson Campbell, you
know his contract is very heavy. We've all known that
for what he is, and he's not a bad player.
But I think this is more of they feel Newsome
fits better with what they want to do.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Now.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
He's in the last year of his contract, so if
he comes in plays really well, they're gonna have to
do something with him if they decide to go in
that direction. But I think it makes sense from a
win now kind of mode, because I think they look
around Mike in their four and one and all of
a sudden they're in the in the thick of the
AFC race. Why not get better and they feel like
news makes them better.
Speaker 6 (08:46):
Well, I agree with you. I think that is the
big thing that we take away from this deal, Pete,
is that, yes, they thought they were going to be
competitive this year, but you and I have had all
the record conversations with members of this organization. They're like, look,
let's keep it realistic. Let's temper our expectations a little bit.
Does a big reclamation project here. And now you look
up and you're four and one, and you've got a
head to head against Kansas City, and you look around
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the AFC and you're like, who is that super team? Peet,
I don't think there is one out there, and I
think they're reacting to that in the moment with this trade,
and you know.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
What they should. I mean, you look around, like you said,
you look around the AFC. Buffalo's had some flaws, Baltimore's
playing poorly. The Chiefs they beat them, and they're, you know,
two and three and have their backs against the wall. Denver,
you know, won a game last week at Philly, but
they're three and two and nobody is running away with it.
And I think nobody is going to run away with it.
And so you look at it and you go, Okay,
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you know, right now we're four and one, the culture
four and one. Let's get better, and maybe this is
a chance for us to get better and go do
some things the rest of the way. By the way,
I don't think they're done. I think they're going to
explore other possibilities to go and improve the roster elsewhere.
So you're right, it's kind of flipped. They thought they'd
have to have a long term, not a long term,
but a couple of year rebuild process, and I think
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it's been expediated a little bit.
Speaker 6 (10:02):
Absolutely, And why not, especially you don't have a first
round pick next year. I pushed them chips to the
center of the table and it all comes at the
expense of the Cleveland Browns. Ultimately, all right, so exciting.
We can do ballpe. We don't win Monday night football
around here very often. We don't play on Monday night
football very often. And to get that win in front
of a packed house against the Kansas City Chiefs, and
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to have Trevor Lawrence in a position in a two
minute drill, to have to get a touchdown to win
the game and have him deliver, how big is that
for Trevor moving forward?
Speaker 5 (10:33):
It was enormous And I think you can really if
you want to boil it down to one thing, it's
to throw to Brian Thomas on the sideline. I mean
that throw was outstanding. It might have been one of
the best throws of the entire season, and certainly one
of the best throws of his career. To make that
in that moment and put it right where it had
to be over the top of the defender's hands in
between the safety was outstanding. And I think that's the
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kind of thing that gets the better. I'm a big
believer that he tends to play better when he's loose
and three and has to go get something. I mean,
I go back to the Chargers playoff game. He was
loose and free, had to go get points and he did.
He was loose and free in this drive and he
went and got him and he did. So to me,
it could be the impetus to get this offense to
where it needs to be throwing the football, because they
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haven't been that good throwing the football this year. There's
been drops, you know that, there's been missteps. I still
think they have too many prestat penalties getting guys lined up,
but getting him going, getting Travis Hunter involved in the
passing game, I think that's important for the offense.
Speaker 6 (11:29):
They got Trevor going on the ground as well. He
was very aggressive running the ball. Is this an element
that I think we've been calling for it? But do
you think we'll see this more consistently from him now?
Speaker 5 (11:41):
You know, you gotta be careful with it, in part
because you don't want to take off before the play develops.
And there was you know, for example, he had a
nice run, but there was a guy I think strange
was standing in front of him for a fifteen yard completion.
That's the easier throw to the easier thing to do.
But it's good to have him and have the ability
to do that when pressure is getting around, escape, go
make a play and don't be scared to do it.
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And I think, you know, with his injuries and everything
that's gone on, I think he's been a little apprehensive
in terms of getting outside and running the football. And
he kind of threw that out aside the other night
and did it. So I think it's a plus, but
you got to be careful of overusing it.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
All right.
Speaker 6 (12:15):
The absence of Treyvon Walker on Monday night was noticeable.
They didn't get a ton of pressure on Patrick Mahomes'
tough got to get pressure on. But regardless, they're not
getting a lot of sacks this year. What is the
state of the Jaguars pass rush in your opinion?
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Not good enough?
Speaker 5 (12:30):
And I think, you know, look, Josh einz Allen's a
really good player, Trayvon Walker is a really good player,
but they haven't they haven't been getting a guy on
the ground, and he was there the other night and
he clearly missed him. I thought there was some good
interior pressure from Mason Smith the other night. Again, that's
two games in a row. Maybe he's starting to come
on a little bit. But you know, they played a
lot of off coverage, and when you play a lot
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of off coverage, they were even dropping some of those
defensive ends into coverage and rushing three at times, which
you know, you don't want to give up the big
play to the Chiefs. You don't want to get Mahomes
to get that big shot down the field. I get it,
but at some point you got to start getting the
quarterback on the ground. It's tough to do when you
don't have a player like Trayvon Walker.
Speaker 6 (13:08):
All Right, all that said, Pete, what's your prediction for today?
Speaker 5 (13:13):
Look, I think they win the game. I think this
team is starting to feel itself a little bit. I
think they're going to be physical against Seattle, and look,
Sam Darnold's put amazing numbers up and it really has.
But they didn't stop Baker Mayfield last week. And if
Jacksonville goes into that game, runs the ball and takes
those shots down the field, I don't think they're going
to stop them either.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Ryan Sexton caught up with Jaggs right tackle Anton Harrison
in the locker room this week and it's a good
start to the season for the group up front.
Speaker 7 (13:38):
Everybody morale is high. Obviously still early in the season,
but you can see Gunna what's building here and what's
to come for the future. So I feel like everybody's
going to be on the right to Jack three right plan.
We just need to keep here and keep getting better.
Speaker 8 (13:51):
The thing I find the most significant is the way
that five guys on the offensive line have been able
to come together.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
How did you do it?
Speaker 8 (13:57):
How did you get to a point where you guys
could trust each other and play at a high level
so quickly?
Speaker 7 (14:01):
Religious from day one? I feel like we all outside
of football, we all connected well just as human beings,
as brothers, and we all just kept growing during OTAs
and camp, going through hard times together and just learning
from each other. Learning will be good at, will be
bad at, just helping each other out. And we know
off we want to run the offense through us, So
if we do that and we're together, everybody's gonna be together.
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Everybody's gonna keep going. So we try to have that
mindset and it's been working so far.
Speaker 8 (14:27):
How important was Brandon Sheriff to you being where you
are playing the way you are right now, because I
think you've always looked at him as a guy who
was very helpful for you.
Speaker 7 (14:36):
Definitely, he was a guy I watched growing up, being
from DC. You know, he played with all the resks,
with the commanders now and just coming in that savvy
vat teaching me really a lot of the things that
I know now and just showing me how to be
a pro, showing me how to be a vet, one
of the best to do it.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Obviously he got the All Pros and Pro Bowls.
Speaker 7 (14:56):
Things like that, but coming in planning playing somebody like
that is definitely huge for my career.
Speaker 8 (15:00):
It goes without saying, you guys feel good about the
experience on Monday night and how awesome that was with
all those people. Is there a momentum in this locker
room right now or do you have to turn that
off and just focus on the next opponent.
Speaker 7 (15:11):
Oh, it's definite momentum.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
You don't want it to be too much.
Speaker 7 (15:14):
You don't want to be distracting because you know, obviously
got another one this weekend and Sunday it's gonna keep
going and you gotta keep trying to get wins. So
obviously you want to enjoy it. We know minium, but
use the minimum as fuel, use it to come on
strong and play all four quarters.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Good for the next one.
Speaker 8 (15:30):
What do you see on tape from Seattle? Clearly the
numbers say that this is gonna be a big test
for us.
Speaker 7 (15:35):
We want to know. We want to start up front.
We want to control both sides of the ball, the lines,
O line, D line, We want to run the ball.
I just want to protect the quarterback. Seattle, I say
they do a lot of different things well, blisses, games, movements,
things like that, so it's something we need to be
dialed in on. They have a good defensive scheme, good player.
So but we trust each other. We trust we know
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what we're doing, we know the game plan, trust the
game plan.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
So we do that, We'll be fine.
Speaker 8 (15:59):
Final thought, Tony PISENTI doesn't throw a lot of compliments
out there, but he's very complimentary the way that you're playing,
How well are you playing and what did it take
for you to be able to play at your peak
right now?
Speaker 7 (16:10):
I feel like I'm playing a pretty good love right now.
Obviously I still got things to work on. I'm not
even at my peak right now. I'm still getting better
weekend and week out. Really just me locking in and
focusing and the little things that I knew that I
had to get better in, like pad level and finish
and those little things that to elevate my game and
to be the most dominant player I wanted to be
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every week. So just coming in every Sunday with that
mindset to dominate, to beat my player every snap no
matter what, it really just changed a lot for me.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Brian Sexson also caught up with Jags quarterbacks coach Spencer
Whipple about the progression of this Jags team and of
course quarterback Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 9 (16:46):
I think that's just kind of his personality coming out,
and a lot of it has to do with all
the work he's put in, all the work that the
team is put in to try to put the best
offensive display on in front of everybody, and then all
that coming to light. And I think the other part
of it is just the adversity through the game. You know,
you're playing a team like that in a stage like
that and having some ups and downs and then battling
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back and staying the course, and there's a lot of emotion.
Guys were hype offense defense. You got big plays both sides,
So you know, that was good to see. And I
think it's just, you know, it's more about all the
work in preparation that those guys put in to finally
get there and then have to show that emotion.
Speaker 8 (17:23):
He consistently talks about another level in the offense, how
it's coming, how they're working through things. How difficult is
it for a quarterback, even a relatively young guy, to
make the adjustment to his third offense in five seasons,
and how long should it take him to feel as
if it's where he wanted to be.
Speaker 9 (17:40):
Yeah, I think Trevor's the guy too that's played a
lot of football and been exposed to a lot of
different systems as well, and so he has that background
and then you know, just to go through all the preparation,
all the things that you know, there's a lot in
terms of starting in the spring, and then all the
installs through springtime and then training camp and then getting
into the season preparing for an opponent. So all those
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things kind of stack up and layer up, and we're still,
you know, focusing on fundamentals through the entire offense of
things that we had initially put in in the spring
and things that will still come up in training camp
to still hold true that you want to keep, you know,
keep harping on through through the season. And then especially
when you're playing different opponents.
Speaker 8 (18:19):
When he gets frustrated and he comes to the sideline,
how difficult is it to coach a guy at that moment.
Speaker 9 (18:26):
I think as a quarterback to every everybody's a little
bit different in terms of how they handle, you know,
what just happened on the field generally, you know, you know,
you like to based on who the person is, you know,
on how they handle what had just happened. You know,
I feel like it's good to just kind of take
a look, take take a breath, and see what happened
and kind of be able to talk through things and
for him, for me just to be there for him,
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just to you know, talk through the previous drive and
then see and then after we kind of shut that
off and we've kind of corrected everything or gone through
the plays, what's coming next, Because that's really the mode
that you have to be in, you know, to play quarterback.
And then really for anybody in the position, to play
any position on the field is all right, what's next,
what's coming next? And then you know, so you know,
refocusing on what the next play is, what the next
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series looks like, you know what you know, the time
and the game, the situation, all those things and stay
at present.
Speaker 8 (19:13):
Leadership is such an obtuse term. It means different things
to different people. But his calm demeanor and the way
that he interacts with all the different position groups, it
would seem like he's the kind of guy with the
right mindset to be the leader of this football team.
Do you see that leadership side of it. I know,
it's it's an opaque term.
Speaker 9 (19:31):
Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, he's He's done a great job, you know,
owning the system, you know, learning into it, you know,
buying buying in and learning the ins and outs, and
then putting it on display, and then really connecting with
the guys around him, you know, all positions, making sure
everybody's on the same page, keeping that communication up, you know,
throughout the day, throughout the week, throughout the season, and
then you know, ultimately bringing the guys together so they
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can all be on the same page.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
That's where it starts.
Speaker 9 (19:56):
You know, the coaches can install the information, the game plan,
but really it comes to on to the quarterback and
the players at the end of the day getting on
the same page for how they see it, want it
to work, and you know, in the end ends up
being the result they want, you know, as long as
they're keep talking and keep that communication, and then it
creates that that connectedness within the offense and within the team.
Speaker 8 (20:14):
I like the fact that he always points to himself
where he can be better. What does he need to
do to take that next step in this offense? Wait,
is it anything in particular or mostly in general?
Speaker 9 (20:23):
No, I think he's I think he's on a great track.
I think he's you know, he's each week there's new things.
He played different opponents, there's a whole new you know.
We may have our base things that we do, you know,
in terms of a system, but then you're going against
a whole new another opponent. And he's done a tremendous
job in terms of just diving in each week, putting
in the work daily, weekly, anytime, doing whatever he can
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to make sure he's the most prepared that he can be.
So he goes out there during the game and and performs,
And I'm excited just to see us as a whole
unit collectively and the things that we can we can accomplish,
you know, moving forward, you know, with more games under
our belt and you know, more exposure to different situations.
I'm really excited about it. I know he is too,
and you know, it just comes back to all the
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work he's put in from the first day we got
here until now and he's still building. And that's the
great thing. You see have a game like that the
other night, where you know, you perform like that, perform
well on a national stage, and then come back in
and jump right in, all right, what's next? What can
I do next? And that's really been you know, his
his mode of operation, and that's that's a great thing
to see about him. He's always hungry for what's next
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and how can he can keep improving.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
And finally, our weekly conversation with Pride of the Jaguars
running back Fred Taylor. The Jaguars are four and one.
They are tied for first in the AFC South, tied
for the best record in the AFC. A lot of
football left red. But that's a really good place to
be right now.
Speaker 10 (21:44):
Hey, I'd rather be here at four and one than
the other way around one and four. So it's he's
exciting times, not only for the franchise but for his city.
You know, it was a great turnout last week, and
you know, I'm pretty sure now with that mo mentum,
we'll see more and more you know, crazy fans, not crazy,
like crazy crazy, but you know what I mean, like
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fanatics in the bank. And that's what the team wants
and that's the energy they need and hopefully this thing
can keep moving forward.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
James Gladstone said in the offseason when he was hired,
they're not going to be afraid to make bold decisions
and moves. And they've made another trade as of this
week in Tyson Campbell heading to the Browns. Greg knew
some coming back from the Browns. They've traded some draft
picks as well, and here we go. They're not gonna
stop making moves and trying to improve this roster.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
No, they hit the ground running. They're very aggressive since
day one.
Speaker 10 (22:43):
It's carried over to on the field, you know, in
the way coach Cohen he's been in his play calling,
you know, but strategic, you know, not just aggressive just
to be aggressive, but very strategic.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
And they're making the moves.
Speaker 10 (22:58):
To try and when out James Gladstone. He was there
in Los Angeles with the Rams when they made some
aggressive moves and they went out and got the guys
they needed and to let the lead know, look, we
want to win now and we'll worry about everything later.
And people thought those moves would set them back. But
if you look at the Rams, who will be you know,
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seeing in a week from now out in London. You know,
they haven't been much falloff and they're still plug and
playing with a lot of young guys despite all the
bets that they've signed. So you know, I knew some
he's been a very solid cornerback throughout his career. Unfortunately
for Tyson, who's very close to myself and my family,
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we're gonna hate to see him leave the state of Florida,
you know, and even more so the Jaguars. I think
it's a good move by the team, you know, quite naturally,
and if I'm being honest, I felt that Tyson needed
to perform better and and you know the team probably
did too to make that move. So we'll see here
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we are. Newsom's gonna, uh, you know, get an opportunity
to go out there and show everyone what he's made
of as you alluded to before this conversation, is a
contract year for him, you know, so that's motivation and
itself and a little change never heard. So it's always
been intriguing, So we'll see how it turns out.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Fred Taylor with us. Let's get into this matchup now,
the Seattle Seahawks coming to town to face the Jacksonville Jaguars.
And boy, I mean this offense in Seattle's throwing it
around with Sam Darnold. Now they've got good receivers and
Cooper Cupp and Jackson Smith and Jigba, and they've got
a pair of running backs that they utilize, starting with
Kenneth Walker the third. What about this offense? What do
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you like the most about Seattle's attack?
Speaker 10 (24:51):
You know, I like everything that you just mentioned. You know,
j Assen a great player. Uh you know you talk
about Cooper Cup, Triple Crown, former Triple Crown who people
thought he was sort of on his way out. He's
resurging along with Sam Donald, another player who's resurging and
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you know, uh, redeeming his career. You know, one of
those early round picks that kind of been like a journeyman.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
But Minnesota a year ago. He did well, provoked the trade.
Speaker 10 (25:26):
Now he's out in Seattle where he's playing well and
he's firing.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
He's he's a leader for him.
Speaker 10 (25:34):
Kenneth Walker, you mentioned him, my former coach, coach Kennedy
Pola KP, my guy. I talked to him not too
long ago.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Uh.
Speaker 10 (25:43):
KP's you know, teaching him everything he taught Maurice and myself.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
I've even spoken with Kenneth a few times on the phone.
Speaker 10 (25:51):
Young guy, solid back, can do it all amazing jump,
cut fast and get it downhill. Kind of just arrived
on the scene his rookieyear year caught some people off guard.
Long run after long run. So it's certainly capable, very
explosive offense. And you know, they're gonna have to do
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well up front. I know they battle some injuries, but
they're gonna have to do well upfront in order to
slow down this Jaguars pass us and opportunistic defense.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
So it'll be a good display and challenge for them.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
You know, that's the part of this Jaguars defense. It's
been opportunistic. They punch the ball away, they get interceptions.
Last week they had to pick six. Of course, with
Devin Lloyd I mean, is that sustainable? Can they just
keep doing the same thing they've been doing and results
are still gonna come?
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Right?
Speaker 10 (26:44):
Well, you know that's the question we've been asking every week,
you know, and they're proven us right or wrong. They're
proving themselves right every week because they're preaching it.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
You know, they're talking it in the building.
Speaker 10 (26:56):
They're talking in the locker room, and you know, we
talk about speaking things into existence. It was the theme
on the show a few days ago. And these guys, man,
they love each other, they're thriving around each other, and
they believe in what they're doing, and turnovers is one
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of those things.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
It's the theme.
Speaker 10 (27:19):
So you know, if they're in the right places and
you know they're studying and they're believing and trusting what
they're seeing on tape, this is how it happens.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
So I talk.
Speaker 10 (27:31):
I got an opportunity to talk to Camp a week ago.
I didn't know he was that big of a Fred
Taylor family. It was a hug after hug. I'm like,
keep them coming, the hugs and the turnovers. So you know,
it's a lot of love and happiness in the building. So, uh,
you know, if it's sustainable honestly, I don't know, you know,
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but it's been a theme for him, man, and it's worked.
And whatever they're doing, I'm sure they're going to keep
doing until they have to do something else, so, you know,
keep it going until it ain't going no more.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
I'm surprised he didn't punch to the football. He was
trying to hug you.
Speaker 10 (28:05):
I didn't have a ball, but sometimes when you're visualize
and practice on the air, that's the way you get
good at it. But no, it was just a great
moment to be able to sit there and chop it
up with him. You know, one of those moments where
they make you feel old because they were so young.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
You know.
Speaker 10 (28:25):
The coaches these days are like thirty twenty nine, and
they're like.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
I grew up watching you. I was a big fan.
I couldn't wait to meet you.
Speaker 10 (28:32):
It was just one of those encounters, man, but just
more so than anything, just full of respect and admiration.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
You know.
Speaker 10 (28:41):
It was reciprocated, and I congratulated him on the hire
and the things that they've been able to achieve in
this early part of the season.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Brent Taylor with us, let's get a thought on the
Jaguars offense here and the performance last week. Obviously, Trevor
Lawrence was just filled with moxie and it felt like
in that game it wasn't pretty, but he made big
throws when he needed to and then ran when he
needed to, even when it didn't look great, he just
found a way to get his team over the top.
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That's that's a good foundation, right, what's the next step
now for Trevor in this offense?
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Yeah? Yeah, it was a great, great way to end
the game.
Speaker 10 (29:20):
Let's say that, you know, some learning processes and moments,
teachable moments throughout the course of the game. You know,
we don't want to you know, hang on those too long,
but you know, you want to bring him to Trevor's attention.
I'm pretty sure Liam and the staff has you know,
for example, the one play where he could have tossed
it out of bounced later in the game, it was
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a situational opportunity for Trevor to display, you know, his
awareness and just you're out of the pocket, toss it out.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
You don't lose the time out, you don't lose valuable seconds.
Speaker 10 (29:54):
And that would have been one of those things that
would have come back to hunt them. Had he not
had the same awareness to get off the ground and
run and punch it in to win the game for
his ball club. The ETN play on the sideline, take
the eight or maybe even ten first down reset as
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opposed to the shot to the end zone. But we're
all Monday morning quarterbacks, right, We're not out there in
the heat of the moments. We see things from all
twenty two in the sky view that players don't see
when they're out there in those pressure situations. Still, I
don't want damp and the move. Great victory, gut see Maxie.
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As you mentioned, he did everything needed to will this
team to a win, and that's what you need from
your franchise quarterback.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
All right, Fred, let's keep this train rolling. How about
a win this week?
Speaker 3 (30:47):
A win would be big, It would be huge.
Speaker 10 (30:51):
Then you head to London with opportunity to play a
solid Rams team, and then you have a few after
that that are very winnable. It is the NFL, as
Liam would say, it's hard to get a winning here.
So you don't look fast these teams. But you know,
let's just say the schedule starts to turn favorable. If
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this team continues to stack them up in this manner.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
So if this was a stock you would buy right now.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
I would certainly buy. I would buy.
Speaker 10 (31:22):
What do they say, what's to say? Buy the hype,
sell the news, or whatever wherever however it goes.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
This is the hype train.
Speaker 10 (31:33):
I would buy the hype, sell the news, because when
the news hit sometimes it's too day.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Fred will talk to you, man.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Thanks all right, boss, we'll go in.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
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Here are our Countdown to Kickoff interviews for Week six.
JP Shatwick with You and this week, the four and
one Jaguars host the three and two Seattle Seahawks at
EverBank Stadium. This week, I caught up with Seahawks radio
analyst Dave Wyman for the latest on their early season success.
Countdown to Kickoff continues. The Jaguars welcome the Seattle Seahawks
to EverBank Stadium. The Jags at four and one the
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Seahawks three and two. Dave Wyman is the radio analyst
for the Seattle Seahawks. We're gonna go in depth to
the opponent this week. Let's start, David. I mean, this
offense in Seattle's right there near the top of the
NFL and Sam Donald has seemingly found a home. Why
has this been so successful so far?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Yeah, it's it's really interesting kind of what especially the
matchup last week of two sort of quarterbacks that lost
their way and you know, then got into a system
that really helped them. And that's really what's been the
key I think for Sam Donald. And yeah, I was
just to do like a breakdown of him from the
game the other day. His pocket awareness is amazing, and
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that's one of the hardest things to do, you know,
as a quarter I wouldn't know because I played linebacker,
but but you know, you've got the sort of your
whole world crashing around you. You've got defensive linemen and
these big, fire breathing dragons, you know, pass rushing these days,
and you still have to keep your eyes downfield. And
that's what he does really well, Like he just kind
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of feels the pocket, finds the open crease, and then
you know, delivers the ball and it just he's been
very accurate, and you know, he had a couple of
plays that were, you know, that kind of lost games,
but it wasn't his fall. I mean, he gets pushed
into and fumbles the ball in Game one against San Francisco,
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and then this last week he got hit ball skips
off of a helmet and then you know, he throws
an interception. So there's a little bit of criticism for
him because of that, but I don't think those were
his I don't think those were his fault. And he
looks like the good Sam Darnold that everybody has seen.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Helps when you have that talented wide receiver around you.
To Jackson Smith, and Jig has been fantastic. Of course,
we know all about Cooper Cup, so those guys working
in tandem has been pretty strong and tough to defend.
How do you slow those guys down or do you
want to even tell us that's that would be the
give it away the game plan?
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yeah, I don't think. I don't think I have the
need of that. But now those guys are both really good.
I mean, Cooper Cup, I think it took him a
while to kind of get going, but once everybody sees,
you know his value and.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Jays N is kind of the same way.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
You know. It's kind of interesting because during the preseason
we got a chance to talk to Jackson and I
kind of wanted to ask this question, but I thought
it would be like kind of rude, so my guy
Michael Bennett asked it instead, and basically what he said
is what I think is like, you're not that big,
you're not that fast, you got good hands, but like
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what makes you special? You know, it's kind of insulting
to him, I guess, but yeah, I mean it's him
and Cooper Cupp are kind of the same way. They're
sort of mid range size guys that just run really
good routes and catch the ball. I mean, that's that's
all you really need to do. So and Sam Darnold
is doing a good job with both of those guys
throwing him open, you know, at times where he thinks
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they need to take a little bit of a sharper
angle or whatever, and he'll throw the ball that way,
and they've had a lot of success.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Dave Wyman with a Seahawks radio analyst. You know, I
call it a game of Kennis Walker the third in
college at Michigan State where he scored five touchdowns in
the game that quite it was against Michigan. He's at
quite to that level. But where is the run game
for Seattle that helps balance all this out?
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Yeah, I think it's still a work in progress. And really,
I mean I think Canine is the one that has
stepped up and you know, kind of shown to be.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
The number one.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
But there are lots of times where I look at
Sharbonna Zach Sharbonaye to get out of UCLA and go
he might be a better back, you know, and I
as a former linebacker, he's a guy that can humiliate you,
you know, if you if you try to take him
on and you're you know, a little bit light in
your stands, you're gonna get run over. No linebacker wants that.
So yeah, they're they're kind of going back and forth.
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It'd be nice to know who the sort of belcow is.
But I think it's working itself out. I think there's
a lot more good things to come in the run game.
But I'd say so far it's been just Okay.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Dave, let's touch on this defense here and the run defense.
I mean, the Jaguars are running the ball pretty well,
but this is a group that really seems to make
an emphasis early in the game that nothing's getting past
the front seven. How are they so effective against the run?
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Well, first of all, you just got three bullies up
front for really, if you if you count Derek Hall,
but you know you've got Jared Reid and you know,
you got Big Cat and Byron Murphy the first rounder
from a couple of years ago, and those guys, you know,
typically that was the problem against Tampa Bay. They didn't
get much pressure with just rushing for and they've kind
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of just rushed for. But as far as you know,
stopping the run, those guys are just I mean, you
can't double team them most of you know, those three
guys all can beat double teams, and I've seen them
do that pretty consistently this year. So then you've got
a really instinctive linebacker in the middle, Ernest Jones, and
he's a great leader. So yeah, I mean that the
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defense really struggled last week though, And the reason why
it was the second well not necessarily the single reason,
but they did have a lot of backups and and
you know, they were missing two of their better players,
Julian Love and Devin Wetherspon. So those guys aren't you know,
they'll play up in the box every once in a while,
but yeah, just they just missed those guys. And I
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thought a lot of some of the backups for the
Seahawks kind of showed why they were backups.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
What is the outside of view, at least the Pacific
Northwest view of the Jaguars now at four and one,
what stands out the most.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
That they're a problem, you know, and we were all
checking off our win loss before the season, and you know,
of course Jacksonville is a w and now all of
a sudden you're looking at it going, oh man, you know,
my very first time broadcasting with Rabel, who's the voice
of the Seahawks, was twenty seventeen in Jacksonville, and it
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kind of reminds me of that that team a little
bit in that, you know, they've had poor records leading
up to it and just had been just drafting baller
after baller after baller, and then you know, they ended
up making making it to the AFC Championship game against
New England and lost that one. But it kind of
reminds me that's what Jacksonville kind of looks like to me.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Right now.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
You've got the linebacker Lloyd who has four interceptions. I
mean that's more than I had in my whole career.
So he's done it in five games or four games.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
So anyway, Yeah, I mean it looks like you just
have a bunch of really good players and kind of
reminds me of that time in j Jaguar history where
you know, it was like the compilation of just a
number of you know.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Top ten, top fifteen picks in the draft.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Twenty seventeen game was I think one of the Seahawks
players try to come fight some fans and they had
to hold back. It was a crazy game. It was
a crazy time.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Never forget that. The guy who's our equipment manager, Eric Kennedy,
I've known him since he was a high schooler. He
was like a ball boy and now he runs the
whole show and I remember him and I won't say
who the player was, but he was like holding him
by his waist, trying to drag him back down and
not go into the crowd. And I think it was
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like pulling his pants down and he was just hanging
on for life.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
And yeah, that was wild.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
They interviewed the fans later. They were like, he didn't
want to come in this front row, So then you
know how fans are sometimes you never know. Let's hope
it doesn't come to that this week. Looking forward to it.
Thanks to the time Day Appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Okay, thanks JP.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
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Sports Senior Rider and our Jaguars Happy, our co host
on Monday's Pete Brisco, Well.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
I think it tells you that they want somebody that
fits their scheme better, and I think Newsome fits what
they want to do better, which is play looking at
the quarterback and play more zone. And Tyson Campbell, you
know his contract is very heavy. We've all known that
for what he is, and he's not a bad player.
But I think this is more of they feel Newsome
fits better with what they want to do.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Now.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
He's in the last year of his contract, so if
he comes in plays really well, they're gonna have to
do something with him if they decide to go in
that direction. But I think it makes sense from a
win now kind of mode, because I think they look
around Mike in their four and one and all of
a sudden they're in the in the thick of the
AFC race. Why not get better and they feel like
news makes them better.
Speaker 6 (08:46):
Well, I agree with you. I think that is the
big thing that we take away from this deal, Pete,
is that, yes, they thought they were going to be
competitive this year, but you and I have had all
the record conversations with members of this organization. They're like, look,
let's keep it realistic. Let's temper our expectations a little bit.
Does a big reclamation project here. And now you look
up and you're four and one, and you've got a
head to head against Kansas City, and you look around
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the AFC and you're like, who is that super team? Peet,
I don't think there is one out there, and I
think they're reacting to that in the moment with this trade,
and you know.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
What they should. I mean, you look around, like you said,
you look around the AFC. Buffalo's had some flaws, Baltimore's
playing poorly. The Chiefs they beat them, and they're, you know,
two and three and have their backs against the wall. Denver,
you know, won a game last week at Philly, but
they're three and two and nobody is running away with it.
And I think nobody is going to run away with it.
And so you look at it and you go, Okay,
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you know, right now we're four and one, the culture
four and one. Let's get better, and maybe this is
a chance for us to get better and go do
some things the rest of the way. By the way,
I don't think they're done. I think they're going to
explore other possibilities to go and improve the roster elsewhere.
So you're right, it's kind of flipped. They thought they'd
have to have a long term, not a long term,
but a couple of year rebuild process, and I think
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it's been expediated a little bit.
Speaker 6 (10:02):
Absolutely, And why not, especially you don't have a first
round pick next year. I pushed them chips to the
center of the table and it all comes at the
expense of the Cleveland Browns. Ultimately, all right, so exciting.
We can do ballpe. We don't win Monday night football
around here very often. We don't play on Monday night
football very often. And to get that win in front
of a packed house against the Kansas City Chiefs, and
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to have Trevor Lawrence in a position in a two
minute drill, to have to get a touchdown to win
the game and have him deliver, how big is that
for Trevor moving forward?
Speaker 5 (10:33):
It was enormous And I think you can really if
you want to boil it down to one thing, it's
to throw to Brian Thomas on the sideline. I mean
that throw was outstanding. It might have been one of
the best throws of the entire season, and certainly one
of the best throws of his career. To make that
in that moment and put it right where it had
to be over the top of the defender's hands in
between the safety was outstanding. And I think that's the
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kind of thing that gets the better. I'm a big
believer that he tends to play better when he's loose
and three and has to go get something. I mean,
I go back to the Chargers playoff game. He was
loose and free, had to go get points and he did.
He was loose and free in this drive and he
went and got him and he did. So to me,
it could be the impetus to get this offense to
where it needs to be throwing the football, because they
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haven't been that good throwing the football this year. There's
been drops, you know that, there's been missteps. I still
think they have too many prestat penalties getting guys lined up,
but getting him going, getting Travis Hunter involved in the
passing game, I think that's important for the offense.
Speaker 6 (11:29):
They got Trevor going on the ground as well. He
was very aggressive running the ball. Is this an element
that I think we've been calling for it? But do
you think we'll see this more consistently from him now?
Speaker 5 (11:41):
You know, you gotta be careful with it, in part
because you don't want to take off before the play develops.
And there was you know, for example, he had a
nice run, but there was a guy I think strange
was standing in front of him for a fifteen yard completion.
That's the easier throw to the easier thing to do.
But it's good to have him and have the ability
to do that when pressure is getting around, escape, go
make a play and don't be scared to do it.
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And I think, you know, with his injuries and everything
that's gone on, I think he's been a little apprehensive
in terms of getting outside and running the football. And
he kind of threw that out aside the other night
and did it. So I think it's a plus, but
you got to be careful of overusing it.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
All right.
Speaker 6 (12:15):
The absence of Treyvon Walker on Monday night was noticeable.
They didn't get a ton of pressure on Patrick Mahomes'
tough got to get pressure on. But regardless, they're not
getting a lot of sacks this year. What is the
state of the Jaguars pass rush in your opinion?
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Not good enough?
Speaker 5 (12:30):
And I think, you know, look, Josh einz Allen's a
really good player, Trayvon Walker is a really good player,
but they haven't they haven't been getting a guy on
the ground, and he was there the other night and
he clearly missed him. I thought there was some good
interior pressure from Mason Smith the other night. Again, that's
two games in a row. Maybe he's starting to come
on a little bit. But you know, they played a
lot of off coverage, and when you play a lot
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of off coverage, they were even dropping some of those
defensive ends into coverage and rushing three at times, which
you know, you don't want to give up the big
play to the Chiefs. You don't want to get Mahomes
to get that big shot down the field. I get it,
but at some point you got to start getting the
quarterback on the ground. It's tough to do when you
don't have a player like Trayvon Walker.
Speaker 6 (13:08):
All Right, all that said, Pete, what's your prediction for today?
Speaker 5 (13:13):
Look, I think they win the game. I think this
team is starting to feel itself a little bit. I
think they're going to be physical against Seattle, and look,
Sam Darnold's put amazing numbers up and it really has.
But they didn't stop Baker Mayfield last week. And if
Jacksonville goes into that game, runs the ball and takes
those shots down the field, I don't think they're going
to stop them either.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Ryan Sexton caught up with Jaggs right tackle Anton Harrison
in the locker room this week and it's a good
start to the season for the group up front.
Speaker 7 (13:38):
Everybody morale is high. Obviously still early in the season,
but you can see Gunna what's building here and what's
to come for the future. So I feel like everybody's
going to be on the right to Jack three right plan.
We just need to keep here and keep getting better.
Speaker 8 (13:51):
The thing I find the most significant is the way
that five guys on the offensive line have been able
to come together.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
How did you do it?
Speaker 8 (13:57):
How did you get to a point where you guys
could trust each other and play at a high level
so quickly?
Speaker 7 (14:01):
Religious from day one? I feel like we all outside
of football, we all connected well just as human beings,
as brothers, and we all just kept growing during OTAs
and camp, going through hard times together and just learning
from each other. Learning will be good at, will be
bad at, just helping each other out. And we know
off we want to run the offense through us, So
if we do that and we're together, everybody's gonna be together.
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Everybody's gonna keep going. So we try to have that
mindset and it's been working so far.
Speaker 8 (14:27):
How important was Brandon Sheriff to you being where you
are playing the way you are right now, because I
think you've always looked at him as a guy who
was very helpful for you.
Speaker 7 (14:36):
Definitely, he was a guy I watched growing up, being
from DC. You know, he played with all the resks,
with the commanders now and just coming in that savvy
vat teaching me really a lot of the things that
I know now and just showing me how to be
a pro, showing me how to be a vet, one
of the best to do it.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Obviously he got the All Pros and Pro Bowls.
Speaker 7 (14:56):
Things like that, but coming in planning playing somebody like
that is definitely huge for my career.
Speaker 8 (15:00):
It goes without saying, you guys feel good about the
experience on Monday night and how awesome that was with
all those people. Is there a momentum in this locker
room right now or do you have to turn that
off and just focus on the next opponent.
Speaker 7 (15:11):
Oh, it's definite momentum.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
You don't want it to be too much.
Speaker 7 (15:14):
You don't want to be distracting because you know, obviously
got another one this weekend and Sunday it's gonna keep
going and you gotta keep trying to get wins. So
obviously you want to enjoy it. We know minium, but
use the minimum as fuel, use it to come on
strong and play all four quarters.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Good for the next one.
Speaker 8 (15:30):
What do you see on tape from Seattle? Clearly the
numbers say that this is gonna be a big test
for us.
Speaker 7 (15:35):
We want to know. We want to start up front.
We want to control both sides of the ball, the lines,
O line, D line, We want to run the ball.
I just want to protect the quarterback. Seattle, I say
they do a lot of different things well, blisses, games, movements,
things like that, so it's something we need to be
dialed in on. They have a good defensive scheme, good player.
So but we trust each other. We trust we know
(15:56):
what we're doing, we know the game plan, trust the
game plan.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
So we do that, We'll be fine.
Speaker 8 (15:59):
Final thought, Tony PISENTI doesn't throw a lot of compliments
out there, but he's very complimentary the way that you're playing,
How well are you playing and what did it take
for you to be able to play at your peak
right now?
Speaker 7 (16:10):
I feel like I'm playing a pretty good love right now.
Obviously I still got things to work on. I'm not
even at my peak right now. I'm still getting better
weekend and week out. Really just me locking in and
focusing and the little things that I knew that I
had to get better in, like pad level and finish
and those little things that to elevate my game and
to be the most dominant player I wanted to be
(16:30):
every week. So just coming in every Sunday with that
mindset to dominate, to beat my player every snap no
matter what, it really just changed a lot for me.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Brian Sexson also caught up with Jags quarterbacks coach Spencer
Whipple about the progression of this Jags team and of
course quarterback Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 9 (16:46):
I think that's just kind of his personality coming out,
and a lot of it has to do with all
the work he's put in, all the work that the
team is put in to try to put the best
offensive display on in front of everybody, and then all
that coming to light. And I think the other part
of it is just the adversity through the game. You know,
you're playing a team like that in a stage like
that and having some ups and downs and then battling
(17:08):
back and staying the course, and there's a lot of emotion.
Guys were hype offense defense. You got big plays both sides,
So you know, that was good to see. And I
think it's just, you know, it's more about all the
work in preparation that those guys put in to finally
get there and then have to show that emotion.
Speaker 8 (17:23):
He consistently talks about another level in the offense, how
it's coming, how they're working through things. How difficult is
it for a quarterback, even a relatively young guy, to
make the adjustment to his third offense in five seasons,
and how long should it take him to feel as
if it's where he wanted to be.
Speaker 9 (17:40):
Yeah, I think Trevor's the guy too that's played a
lot of football and been exposed to a lot of
different systems as well, and so he has that background
and then you know, just to go through all the preparation,
all the things that you know, there's a lot in
terms of starting in the spring, and then all the
installs through springtime and then training camp and then getting
into the season preparing for an opponent. So all those
(18:02):
things kind of stack up and layer up, and we're still,
you know, focusing on fundamentals through the entire offense of
things that we had initially put in in the spring
and things that will still come up in training camp
to still hold true that you want to keep, you know,
keep harping on through through the season. And then especially
when you're playing different opponents.
Speaker 8 (18:19):
When he gets frustrated and he comes to the sideline,
how difficult is it to coach a guy at that moment.
Speaker 9 (18:26):
I think as a quarterback to every everybody's a little
bit different in terms of how they handle, you know,
what just happened on the field generally, you know, you know,
you like to based on who the person is, you know,
on how they handle what had just happened. You know,
I feel like it's good to just kind of take
a look, take take a breath, and see what happened
and kind of be able to talk through things and
for him, for me just to be there for him,
(18:47):
just to you know, talk through the previous drive and
then see and then after we kind of shut that
off and we've kind of corrected everything or gone through
the plays, what's coming next, Because that's really the mode
that you have to be in, you know, to play quarterback.
And then really for anybody in the position, to play
any position on the field is all right, what's next,
what's coming next? And then you know, so you know,
refocusing on what the next play is, what the next
(19:08):
series looks like, you know what you know, the time
and the game, the situation, all those things and stay
at present.
Speaker 8 (19:13):
Leadership is such an obtuse term. It means different things
to different people. But his calm demeanor and the way
that he interacts with all the different position groups, it
would seem like he's the kind of guy with the
right mindset to be the leader of this football team.
Do you see that leadership side of it. I know,
it's it's an opaque term.
Speaker 9 (19:31):
Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, he's He's done a great job, you know,
owning the system, you know, learning into it, you know,
buying buying in and learning the ins and outs, and
then putting it on display, and then really connecting with
the guys around him, you know, all positions, making sure
everybody's on the same page, keeping that communication up, you know,
throughout the day, throughout the week, throughout the season, and
then you know, ultimately bringing the guys together so they
(19:54):
can all be on the same page.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
That's where it starts.
Speaker 9 (19:56):
You know, the coaches can install the information, the game plan,
but really it comes to on to the quarterback and
the players at the end of the day getting on
the same page for how they see it, want it
to work, and you know, in the end ends up
being the result they want, you know, as long as
they're keep talking and keep that communication, and then it
creates that that connectedness within the offense and within the team.
Speaker 8 (20:14):
I like the fact that he always points to himself
where he can be better. What does he need to
do to take that next step in this offense? Wait,
is it anything in particular or mostly in general?
Speaker 9 (20:23):
No, I think he's I think he's on a great track.
I think he's you know, he's each week there's new things.
He played different opponents, there's a whole new you know.
We may have our base things that we do, you know,
in terms of a system, but then you're going against
a whole new another opponent. And he's done a tremendous
job in terms of just diving in each week, putting
in the work daily, weekly, anytime, doing whatever he can
(20:45):
to make sure he's the most prepared that he can be.
So he goes out there during the game and and performs,
And I'm excited just to see us as a whole
unit collectively and the things that we can we can accomplish,
you know, moving forward, you know, with more games under
our belt and you know, more exposure to different situations.
I'm really excited about it. I know he is too,
and you know, it just comes back to all the
(21:06):
work he's put in from the first day we got
here until now and he's still building. And that's the
great thing. You see have a game like that the
other night, where you know, you perform like that, perform
well on a national stage, and then come back in
and jump right in, all right, what's next? What can
I do next? And that's really been you know, his
his mode of operation, and that's that's a great thing
to see about him. He's always hungry for what's next
(21:26):
and how can he can keep improving.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
And finally, our weekly conversation with Pride of the Jaguars
running back Fred Taylor. The Jaguars are four and one.
They are tied for first in the AFC South, tied
for the best record in the AFC. A lot of
football left red. But that's a really good place to
be right now.
Speaker 10 (21:44):
Hey, I'd rather be here at four and one than
the other way around one and four. So it's he's
exciting times, not only for the franchise but for his city.
You know, it was a great turnout last week, and
you know, I'm pretty sure now with that mo mentum,
we'll see more and more you know, crazy fans, not crazy,
like crazy crazy, but you know what I mean, like
(22:06):
fanatics in the bank. And that's what the team wants
and that's the energy they need and hopefully this thing
can keep moving forward.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
James Gladstone said in the offseason when he was hired,
they're not going to be afraid to make bold decisions
and moves. And they've made another trade as of this
week in Tyson Campbell heading to the Browns. Greg knew
some coming back from the Browns. They've traded some draft
picks as well, and here we go. They're not gonna
stop making moves and trying to improve this roster.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
No, they hit the ground running. They're very aggressive since
day one.
Speaker 10 (22:43):
It's carried over to on the field, you know, in
the way coach Cohen he's been in his play calling,
you know, but strategic, you know, not just aggressive just
to be aggressive, but very strategic.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
And they're making the moves.
Speaker 10 (22:58):
To try and when out James Gladstone. He was there
in Los Angeles with the Rams when they made some
aggressive moves and they went out and got the guys
they needed and to let the lead know, look, we
want to win now and we'll worry about everything later.
And people thought those moves would set them back. But
if you look at the Rams, who will be you know,
(23:20):
seeing in a week from now out in London. You know,
they haven't been much falloff and they're still plug and
playing with a lot of young guys despite all the
bets that they've signed. So you know, I knew some
he's been a very solid cornerback throughout his career. Unfortunately
for Tyson, who's very close to myself and my family,
(23:42):
we're gonna hate to see him leave the state of Florida,
you know, and even more so the Jaguars. I think
it's a good move by the team, you know, quite naturally,
and if I'm being honest, I felt that Tyson needed
to perform better and and you know the team probably
did too to make that move. So we'll see here
(24:04):
we are. Newsom's gonna, uh, you know, get an opportunity
to go out there and show everyone what he's made
of as you alluded to before this conversation, is a
contract year for him, you know, so that's motivation and
itself and a little change never heard. So it's always
been intriguing, So we'll see how it turns out.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Fred Taylor with us. Let's get into this matchup now,
the Seattle Seahawks coming to town to face the Jacksonville Jaguars.
And boy, I mean this offense in Seattle's throwing it
around with Sam Darnold. Now they've got good receivers and
Cooper Cupp and Jackson Smith and Jigba, and they've got
a pair of running backs that they utilize, starting with
Kenneth Walker the third. What about this offense? What do
(24:49):
you like the most about Seattle's attack?
Speaker 10 (24:51):
You know, I like everything that you just mentioned. You know,
j Assen a great player. Uh you know you talk
about Cooper Cup, Triple Crown, former Triple Crown who people
thought he was sort of on his way out. He's
resurging along with Sam Donald, another player who's resurging and
(25:12):
you know, uh, redeeming his career. You know, one of
those early round picks that kind of been like a journeyman.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
But Minnesota a year ago. He did well, provoked the trade.
Speaker 10 (25:26):
Now he's out in Seattle where he's playing well and
he's firing.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
He's he's a leader for him.
Speaker 10 (25:34):
Kenneth Walker, you mentioned him, my former coach, coach Kennedy
Pola KP, my guy. I talked to him not too
long ago.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Uh.
Speaker 10 (25:43):
KP's you know, teaching him everything he taught Maurice and myself.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
I've even spoken with Kenneth a few times on the phone.
Speaker 10 (25:51):
Young guy, solid back, can do it all amazing jump,
cut fast and get it downhill. Kind of just arrived
on the scene his rookieyear year caught some people off guard.
Long run after long run. So it's certainly capable, very
explosive offense. And you know, they're gonna have to do
(26:12):
well up front. I know they battle some injuries, but
they're gonna have to do well upfront in order to
slow down this Jaguars pass us and opportunistic defense.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
So it'll be a good display and challenge for them.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
You know, that's the part of this Jaguars defense. It's
been opportunistic. They punch the ball away, they get interceptions.
Last week they had to pick six. Of course, with
Devin Lloyd I mean, is that sustainable? Can they just
keep doing the same thing they've been doing and results
are still gonna come?
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Right?
Speaker 10 (26:44):
Well, you know that's the question we've been asking every week,
you know, and they're proven us right or wrong. They're
proving themselves right every week because they're preaching it.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
You know, they're talking it in the building.
Speaker 10 (26:56):
They're talking in the locker room, and you know, we
talk about speaking things into existence. It was the theme
on the show a few days ago. And these guys, man,
they love each other, they're thriving around each other, and
they believe in what they're doing, and turnovers is one
(27:17):
of those things.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
It's the theme.
Speaker 10 (27:19):
So you know, if they're in the right places and
you know they're studying and they're believing and trusting what
they're seeing on tape, this is how it happens.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
So I talk.
Speaker 10 (27:31):
I got an opportunity to talk to Camp a week ago.
I didn't know he was that big of a Fred
Taylor family. It was a hug after hug. I'm like,
keep them coming, the hugs and the turnovers. So you know,
it's a lot of love and happiness in the building. So, uh,
you know, if it's sustainable honestly, I don't know, you know,
(27:51):
but it's been a theme for him, man, and it's worked.
And whatever they're doing, I'm sure they're going to keep
doing until they have to do something else, so, you know,
keep it going until it ain't going no more.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
I'm surprised he didn't punch to the football. He was
trying to hug you.
Speaker 10 (28:05):
I didn't have a ball, but sometimes when you're visualize
and practice on the air, that's the way you get
good at it. But no, it was just a great
moment to be able to sit there and chop it
up with him. You know, one of those moments where
they make you feel old because they were so young.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
You know.
Speaker 10 (28:25):
The coaches these days are like thirty twenty nine, and
they're like.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
I grew up watching you. I was a big fan.
I couldn't wait to meet you.
Speaker 10 (28:32):
It was just one of those encounters, man, but just
more so than anything, just full of respect and admiration.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
You know.
Speaker 10 (28:41):
It was reciprocated, and I congratulated him on the hire
and the things that they've been able to achieve in
this early part of the season.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Brent Taylor with us, let's get a thought on the
Jaguars offense here and the performance last week. Obviously, Trevor
Lawrence was just filled with moxie and it felt like
in that game it wasn't pretty, but he made big
throws when he needed to and then ran when he
needed to, even when it didn't look great, he just
found a way to get his team over the top.
(29:11):
That's that's a good foundation, right, what's the next step
now for Trevor in this offense?
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Yeah? Yeah, it was a great, great way to end
the game.
Speaker 10 (29:20):
Let's say that, you know, some learning processes and moments,
teachable moments throughout the course of the game. You know,
we don't want to you know, hang on those too long,
but you know, you want to bring him to Trevor's attention.
I'm pretty sure Liam and the staff has you know,
for example, the one play where he could have tossed
it out of bounced later in the game, it was
(29:42):
a situational opportunity for Trevor to display, you know, his
awareness and just you're out of the pocket, toss it out.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
You don't lose the time out, you don't lose valuable seconds.
Speaker 10 (29:54):
And that would have been one of those things that
would have come back to hunt them. Had he not
had the same awareness to get off the ground and
run and punch it in to win the game for
his ball club. The ETN play on the sideline, take
the eight or maybe even ten first down reset as
(30:14):
opposed to the shot to the end zone. But we're
all Monday morning quarterbacks, right, We're not out there in
the heat of the moments. We see things from all
twenty two in the sky view that players don't see
when they're out there in those pressure situations. Still, I
don't want damp and the move. Great victory, gut see Maxie.
(30:34):
As you mentioned, he did everything needed to will this
team to a win, and that's what you need from
your franchise quarterback.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
All right, Fred, let's keep this train rolling. How about
a win this week?
Speaker 3 (30:47):
A win would be big, It would be huge.
Speaker 10 (30:51):
Then you head to London with opportunity to play a
solid Rams team, and then you have a few after
that that are very winnable. It is the NFL, as
Liam would say, it's hard to get a winning here.
So you don't look fast these teams. But you know,
let's just say the schedule starts to turn favorable. If
(31:12):
this team continues to stack them up in this manner.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
So if this was a stock you would buy right now.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
I would certainly buy. I would buy.
Speaker 10 (31:22):
What do they say, what's to say? Buy the hype,
sell the news, or whatever wherever however it goes.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
This is the hype train.
Speaker 10 (31:33):
I would buy the hype, sell the news, because when
the news hit sometimes it's too day.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Fred will talk to you, man.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Thanks all right, boss, we'll go in.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Seahawks Jaguars coming up Sunday at one o'clock. Tickets at
Jaguars dot com. We're called nine oh four six three
three two thousand. Enjoy the game.
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