Cowboys StoryLine: Calling for Backup

The callers had some interesting takes on newly-acquired backup Joe Milton III and there’s a debate on taking a O-line at No. 12.

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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This is Cowboys Storyline with Nick Eatman.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
What's up everyone, Welcome to a Cowboys storyline. It is Wednesday,
April the ninth. Just trucking right along here in April,
getting closer and closer to the NFL Draft. I believe
it's two weeks away from tomorrow, so we can should
be kind of a dead period here. There's some moves
the Cowboys could make. Maybe still looking at this. Is

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that getting to that time where you don't want to
do too much before the draft. You want to see
how it plays out. And that's pretty much where they
are right now. Not much has happened in the last
week or so. I I guess maybe maybe the trade
for Joe Milton that happened right after our show that day,

(01:07):
so we haven't really talked about that. We can discuss
that with the quarterback situation. Looks like we do all
that in more. Eighty eight eight, five, five, two two
nine seven is the number to call. We've got a
couple of callers on the line, so let's get right
to it. Brian in Kansas City what's up?

Speaker 4 (01:24):
Good morning, sir.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
How are you.

Speaker 4 (01:26):
I'm doing great, man, I'm doing great. How you doing.
I like the shirt today.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
All right, appreciate it. Thank you absolutely.

Speaker 5 (01:34):
Hey.

Speaker 4 (01:34):
You know, you know, listening to all the various content
and everything, you know, you kind of as at least
as a fan since we've had access to so many
media scouts and you know, you know, basically since the Internet,
so you can kind of developed favorites and everything, right,
And I just wondered if so, I have two questions

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for you, and I'll give you mine. So my favorite,
a share is I think I would want to tackle Simmons.
I think if I could have anybody, you know, and
I'm assuming that some people are out of touch, Like
I'm assuming I can't get Graham or Hunter or or
what's the past rusher's named Carter, you know, I'm I'm

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assuming a few of those people are out of reach,
you know, or we'd have to trade up, which I
definitely don't want to do. So for me, I think
it would be Simmons would be That's the guy I
would want and put him in there. And and my
second favorite would be Grant, you know, which you know,
we we we We laughed about that last week because

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he's a Michigan defensive lineman, right, but but that's that's
kind of what my favorite is. I kind of wondered,
you know, I know you're not like a deep dive
draft guy, but but you know, you you listen to
all the shows and you talk to you know, way
more people than I'll ever talk to about it. You know,
I wondered if you ever do if you developed a

(03:01):
favorite this year, and then I just kind of wonder,
do you have But you've been there for so long,
do you have a favorite draft memory? Who just know,
just a draft memory period since nineteen ninety nine. There's
got to be something, right, And I'll hang up and listen, sir.
It's good to talk to you this morning.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
All right, Thank you too, Brian. I mean, you know
that that's a whole show right there, draft moments and
stories and things like that.

Speaker 5 (03:29):
You know.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
I don't know if I could just pin point one
or two who did a documentary called war Stories, you know,
so like War Stories one and War Stories too, so
it was it was two. It was basically two full
hours of draft stories. So yeah, I have I have plenty.

(03:50):
I don't know why. I can't even think of one
than just to tell right off the top. So I'll
just leave it at that for a second. I'll come
back to that in a little bit. Favorites for this year.
You know, you're right, I don't. I don't study it
as much. No one's asking me to be on the
draft show. I'm not on there. I don't want to
be on there all that. It's hard, it's hard to
do that. These you know, we're asking our people to

(04:13):
study these players, and they're trying to study as many
as they can. And what's the study? You know what,
how long does it take? Three games? Four games, thirty games?
You know, it's hard. It's hard to do that. And
so you know, that's that's why these scouts they've been
doing this for two or three years on each each player,
each draft class, and things like that, so you know

(04:36):
they've got a good, you know, handle on this. And
even that it's what we've seen it. It's not an
exact science. I what I typically we'll look at is
traits and and also history. And for the most part,
the Cowboys have done a really good job with offensive linemen.

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So if you're sitting at twelve, I just have a
hard time thinking you're not going to get a really
good player right there at twelve, tackle, guard, whoever's whoever's there,
there's going to be some for you, and a guy
that can play eight to ten years for you. The
guy that drafted Micah Parsons back in twenty twenty one,

(05:17):
what a great pick. They almost picked Slater from Northwestern
who went to the Chargers. I think that would have
been a great pick too, Not not Michaeh Parsons, but
still a pretty pretty good solid pick. And so that's
what I'm looking at, whoever that might be, whoever kind
of falls. That's why you want as many quarterbacks, as

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many receivers, running backs jump in there, jump in the mix.
Corner Now, I'm fine with a corner if that's the
best spot, but I think corner an offensive line really
a tackle. Corner and tackle would be my guys, and
the best one. Now I'll say this too, you have
the twelfth pick. I don't know how many first round

(06:01):
grades they're gonna have. They usually don't reveal that until
maybe later. Jerial will say it, like after that day,
maybe after the second round, after the first or second round,
but usually it's fifteen, could be eighteen, twenty, could be thirteen,
whatever that is. At the twelfth pick in the draft,
the Cowboys need to get a first round grade. So

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if you get a trade back scenario to seventeen and
you only have a couple of first round grades available,
I don't know if I would do that. Whatever you do,
you've earned it with the seven to ten record. You've
earned a first round pick. You need to get a
first round player. And a lot of people don't realize
that not everybody has a first round grade they grade them,

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and so you know, last year the Cowboys were in
late in the second round, they didn't get a first
round player. Tyler Goyiten did not get a first round
grade from them. Not to buy understanding that he didn't
have a first round grade. Typically you're not going to
have it later in the first round. So that's my
my whole thing is, wherever they do, they need to
make sure they get a first round graded player on
their board. Don't trade too far back if you're not

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going to get that, because that's that's what this team
definitely needs. Zach in Atlanta's next.

Speaker 6 (07:15):
What up?

Speaker 7 (07:15):
Nick and Frisco?

Speaker 8 (07:16):
How are you man?

Speaker 5 (07:17):
Good?

Speaker 7 (07:17):
Man doing so well. Uh, shout out to you. Shout
out to Beams. Y'all are the best in the business.

Speaker 9 (07:26):
Thanks.

Speaker 7 (07:27):
Yeah, it's been a few weeks since I called in,
and I've caught up on shows. Man, I missed. I
think your daughter's birthday happened, and there's other stuff. So
when when I caught up, I was like, Man, I'm
out here trying terrible comedy material and people are celebrating birthdays.
So anything I've missed, shout out to everybody. Uh. But

(07:48):
I wanted to say, I feel like the draft season
is so much fun because of all the you know,
limitless potential and mix and match and all that. But
I kind of feel like what you are just sharing,
and it's probably your sentiment about why you don't get
us into the draft, is like you get all the
ducks in a row, and you're like, is it just

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happens like this? Get the ducks in a row, and
then they wind up picking the goose and you're like,
all right, well, I guess I got to learn about
this other player now, right, you know, But it's part
of the fun. You know. You get a nice grid
on the league and how teams change, and you know,
I do appreciate that. But as far as the Cowboys,
it's always nice to have the wish lists and what

(08:30):
would be ideal and then yeah, they snatch Mozzie Smith
at you know, twenty seven or whatever, and you're like,
all right, this is our guy. So anyways, Yeah, that's
just kind of where I'm at in the draft season process.
I listened to the Draft show, watch and broad US
have shows, and you know, I'm plugged in, but I

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just have a little fatigue. So airing that on the
airwaves today, I cannot wait for the drafts wanted to
come so I can really study the players that'll be picked.
So that's all I got for you, man. I hope
y'all have a good day.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
Thanks appreciate it, Zach. You know, here's here's my more
of a point to that, Like, like you're just talking
about and and I'm and I'm not trying to be
negative on the draft. I just it's just impossible to
get ahead of and even when it when it happens,
I mean, think about it, We're about to be a
one year removed from last year's draft. So Tyler Goyiton

(09:33):
Marshaw and Nielan Marius Lee Foul, Kaylin Carson, I know
I'm missing like a fourth round pick or or whatever.
That's probably that's probably my point. Also is I'm just
throwing down some some guys that were drafted. We don't
know much about these guys. We still don't know Tyler
Goyiton can play? Is he Is he going to be

(09:54):
a good player. I think Maryus Lee Fowl is going
to be a pretty good player. Marshawn Neeland, we'll see.
You know, he got he got banged up a little bit. Uh,
He's gonna get a lot of opportunities now. Caylen Carson,
it looked good early then then he got hurt and
then you know it didn't get a chance to do
much after that. So that's my point. That's that's last

(10:16):
year's draft. You could probably go back two or three
years as well, and still there's question marks. So you know,
just because you draft the player, you know, we're gonna
draft from some guys in two weeks and and and
they'll get graded and all that kind of stuff and all,
how did the Cowboys do? And again we don't know.
So that that's why I've always like, we'll see, we'll
see what it is. I don't study these guys enough.

(10:39):
I see the highlights. I don't always see the bad plays.
I don't always see those things. But I also know
what what positions typically come in and do well early,
and what this team needs. And I love to hear
from you guys, because you guys have probably studied way
more than me. So all right, let's go to Robbie
and Coco Beach, Florida.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
What's up, mister Nick, How are you doing good?

Speaker 1 (11:02):
How are you doing?

Speaker 6 (11:04):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (11:05):
It was a great weekend. I took the kids fishing
out in the boat.

Speaker 10 (11:07):
We have a twenty six foot boat catching.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
Oh yeah, come on, man, fighting on the water.

Speaker 11 (11:13):
We catch fish.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
Okay, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to insult you.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
No, no, I didn't mean like that guy. You can
call me defensive to get out. Okay, no, not at all, man,
But I catch a lot. We catch a lot of
red fish year nice.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
Okay, good, that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
Yeah, it was a great day. And the kids out
of blast.

Speaker 8 (11:30):
You know what it's like.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
The little ones said, that's the best part.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
And my son and I saw the uh Minecraft movie.
He loved it. He said, his best movie I've ever seen.
You need to take Jacob to it.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
He's already seen it. I didn't take him, but he's
seen it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he has seen it. Anyways,
what's going on with with you?

Speaker 11 (11:49):
The Cowboys?

Speaker 2 (11:50):
Cowboys?

Speaker 11 (11:50):
Cowboys? Cowboys?

Speaker 8 (11:51):
Man?

Speaker 10 (11:52):
You know, always gets so.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
Hopeful around this time of year. And I look back
to some of our older players or recent older players
from drafts. I got a couple of questions, do you
think Mazzi's got a chance to actually turn it around?
I mean, three coordinators? Is his third one?

Speaker 1 (12:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (12:09):
What do they wanted to do? What is he good
at that he can do? And my second part, I
know you'll agree with this one is I hope we
take the best available, either a running back, B guard,
ST tackle, D defensive back, E, tight end whatever. You know,
we got so many needs that we could take. I

(12:30):
just hope we take somebody good man. I hope that
he fits and he is a good person and works
out well.

Speaker 9 (12:36):
With the team.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
But if you answer that question about like Mazzi and yeah,
and you talked about Neilan and Tyler Gaydon, I wonder
if I mean maybe they make that second year jump.
So listen, I just want to hear your opinion on
those guys.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
Yes, and we've seen it before. Thanks for the call, Robert.
We've seen these guys make that second year. And look
what dron Bland did his second year. Look what Trayvon
Diggs did his second year. Look with Jake Ferguson, did
you know, so we we've we've seen it. I mean,
if my Ris Leafal makes that that jump in his
second year, I mean that we're talking about a really,
really good player, and then Marshawn Kneeland as well. I mean,

(13:12):
no one needs to make more of a leap than
Tyler Goydon. And you know, from what I keep hearing,
he's he's he's where he needs to be. He's in
the weight room every day, is taking it seriously. And
that's that's the first step. I think. You know, he's
young young person, not just a young player, a young
person and still a young football player. Hasn't played this

(13:34):
position a lot offensive line. He didn't. He didn't play
a lot of offensive line. So he's learning how to
how to do it. And even at college, even playing
at Oklahoma, you face some some really good competition, but
you know, athletically, you know he could he could do it.
He could overpower you, he's tall, big and all that.
But in the NFL, if you the technique isn't good,

(13:55):
it doesn't matter. So he has to keep keep doing that,
keep getting better there, you know, and I have confidence
that that he can turn things around. Now, your question
was about Mazzie Smith, first round pick from two years ago,
and yes, what does he do well? I mean, I
mean he's strong as an ox. That doesn't mean everything though,
you don't just because you're winning the strong man competitions

(14:19):
of the world doesn't mean you go right to the NFL.
And again, technique, quickness off the ball, awareness, studying, understanding
what what concepts are, understanding what you know, the blocking
schemes from the opposing team. So those are the things
that Mazzie still has to do to get better. Remember,
and a Massie made that statement. We talked about it

(14:41):
a couple of times about I don't really like football
and all that I like to hit people and and
it was a that's a red flag, you know, And
so has things changed there, because liking football means studying
to do your your your absolute best and not just
you know, say I'm bigger, stronger than you, I can
push your around. Because that doesn't work in this level.

(15:02):
And we've seen that. So offensive linemen are big, strong too,
and they and and and the ones that study know
how to how to how to block these guys. And
so that's the step that he needs to take. I know,
talking to Matt Eberflus a few weeks ago, he loved Osa.
I mean he Osa was outside at the time and
he was like, I really really really really love Osa.

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I mean I would hope to get him back. Then
we asked him a little bit about Mozzi and he said, no,
I think Mazzi is going to be just fine. Mazzi's
going to be fine. We're we you know, we'll be
working with him. He's got a lot of tools in
the toolbox. So you know, no, that's what every coordinator
is going to say on the record that you know,
they every every coach is going to say the positive things.
But you know, I like ibra Flus. He's a t

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trade shooter and I believe him on that. So he's
he's confident in what Mazzi can do to turn things around.
All right, we have another caller on the line, Chris,
we got one. Yeah, we'll go to Armando in Mexico's city.

Speaker 12 (16:01):
Hey, Nick, how are you good?

Speaker 1 (16:03):
How are you doing good?

Speaker 13 (16:05):
Good? So little harder again to get through because without
the time change, wouldn't do that in Mexico anymore.

Speaker 4 (16:14):
So it's earlier for me one hour, so it's even harder.

Speaker 13 (16:17):
Not much of a morning person.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
All right, well, good morning, good morning to you. Thanks
for waking up with us here on the storyline.

Speaker 13 (16:26):
Yeah, no, thank you. That's the best way to wake up. So, Nick,
I know this draft season, so everyone has his own opinion.
He's gonna I'm not gonna go too much into that,
so I just say that I would like I hope
Gentiezer pick if it's there, So that's it, I hope.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
So, yeah, I don't think you will be but you
never know. You never know things where things happen. Not
everybody would need a running back. So if if somehow
the Raiders pass on him, then and you know, maybe
he does fall a little bit, but it doesn't sound
like he is going to be there.

Speaker 13 (17:06):
Yeah, I think it's the Raiders and the Bears.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
The Bears.

Speaker 13 (17:09):
Yeah, it's possible, Candy, But anyway, we'll see, I hope.
So So anyway, I have a questions for you. I
always wondered, how do contracts actually work in the sense
that I know, uh, players that get paid when eighteen
when each week on the regular season, but when free
agents and draft picks are hired, for example, n't they

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don't get paid at all until the regular season, have
a training campaign and the precision and everything like that.
They don't get anything other than the signing boat.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
There's like a stipend that that that they get. Some
of the players get you know, like a like free agents,
like not really undrafted free agents, but you know they
call them street free agents. There is like a stipend
that they but it's really not not a lot. And
and now you don't you don't really get paid until

(18:07):
week one you make the team, uh we week one
of the of the season. Now you could also get
you know, practice squad. Those guys get get paid as well,
but it's a it's a weekly deal. So that's a
lot of players sometimes for don't understand that, like early
on you might get a rookie spends all his money,

(18:27):
doesn't understand that he doesn't get paid the next week.
When the season's over, it's over. So that's that's one
of the things that you know, and there's a lot
of there's a lot of people that that that helped
these guys with finances and stuff. Uh here in in
the building, outside the building. But it's basically at eighteen,

(18:49):
your salary is divided by eighteen. Now, signing bonuses are
you know, you get some some bonuses throughout the year,
you get some workout bonuses. Just depends on how your
contract is structured.

Speaker 13 (19:00):
Oh okay, I always wondered about that.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
Yeah, okay, well all right, hearing from you. All right,
have a good one. Let's keep going to Oklahoma City.
We got Gavin in Oklahoma City.

Speaker 8 (19:17):
Hey, my man, how's it going good?

Speaker 1 (19:18):
How you doing?

Speaker 8 (19:20):
I can't complain, man. I just wanted to touch on
the Joe Milton trade. I really really liked the trade.
I think as much flack as the front office gets
when something doesn't go the way the fans wanted to go,
I think we got to give him as much credit
when they make a nice move, because what they've done
here obviously has made it to where you don't have

(19:42):
to use a draft pick on a quarterback. Milton, I'm
guessing may have been on their board somewhere obviously in
the previous draft process for them to make that trade.
He's got a lot of upside in my opinion. He's
got a strong arm. He's very raw, Don't get me wrong,
He's very raw. But if if you put him under
a guy like Dak Prescott, maybe he could develop the

(20:03):
way you thought Trey Lance might. Right, And then I
just wanted to ask you a quick question. If the
draft started today or whenever it starts, if you had
to guess which position the Cowboys were leaning in the
first round, which one would you give the most stalk to?
And I'll leave it at that, Thanks Nick.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
Thank you well to answer that question, which way would
they be leaning? Such a such a tough one, because
while twelve is considered early, it's you know, it's about
what two hours for the draft. I mean it's what
ten minutes or so a pick, So that's about two

(20:46):
hours after the draft. So much can happen and will
happen in that time.

Speaker 8 (20:50):
And so.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
I think offensive line, I see wide receiver happening. You
know as well, I don't see a running back because
I don't I don't think it'll be gent And then
I don't think they'll take the next best running back
I wouldn't be surprised if they don't take a running

(21:12):
back until you know, it could be Saturday. I mean,
we think that they're just gonna take a running back
because they need one. But I don't know. I mean,
you know, there's there's two schools of thought here. Do
you need a younger, dynamic running back to with this
team because you don't have one? Yeah, maybe can anybody

(21:35):
come in here and rush for a thousand yards like
they did last year? You know, don't forget that like
that that that aspect too. I don't. I don't. I'm
not saying I necessarily agree with that, but I think
there's a group of people in the building that sort
of think that way. So that maybe Javonte Williams, Miles
Sanders can do the job. And I'm not saying they

(21:55):
don't get any running back. They'll they'll get some, but
it's maybe not as high of a need as people think.
But I would say offensive line wide receiver and never
rule out the pass rusher. I mean, just that's a
position of need always. You always need more pass rushers,

(22:15):
and so that if you're going to reach for a
position at twelve or maybe trade back and you're at fifteen,
seventeen whatever. I never rule out a pass rusher. And
then to answer your question or your comment about the
Milton trade, I totally agree with you. I don't know,
you're right. The Cowboys never get credit for that kind

(22:36):
of stuff. But when you think about what they need
or they need to get a young quarterback, that's basically
what they got. That's what they got here in a
second year guy with a ton of upside, very raw,
like you said, strong armed. He'll be a fun player
to watch a training camp in the preseason. But you know,

(22:57):
we'll see, we'll see how it goes from there. But yeah,
I mean, you don't necessarily have to go draft a quarterback.
Now you got Will Greer. Also you have now you've
got Milton here in the little rumors that maybe the
Cowboys are still looking at other quarterbacks out there, so
you can just google the list and see the names

(23:18):
of players that are out there, and you know, it
sounds like that that's still on the table too. So
I don't think the Cowboys are done looking at quarterbacks.
But for the Milton trade and what they gave up
and you know, basically just a sixth round pick. But
they gave up a fifth got a seventh, so you
know that they gave up one of their fifth comp
picks picked up another seventh in the process to get

(23:41):
to get Joe Milton, who was a sixth round pick
last year. All right, let's go see we have another
caller on the line. Go to Zach in Germany.

Speaker 14 (23:50):
Zach, Nick, what's going on?

Speaker 1 (23:51):
How are you doing?

Speaker 11 (23:53):
Good?

Speaker 1 (23:54):
Good? Good? Talk to me.

Speaker 14 (23:56):
Actually I should start. I should start with one thing.
So Anthony Oas refers to as Nick the quick, but
I have to ask, does he understand that your calf
has made a paper machet?

Speaker 1 (24:05):
That's true, I mean und true. I don't think he
knows that. I don't. I don't think he knows that
or cares. He just kind of has that Nick van
Exel vibes and I like it. It's fine, it works good.

Speaker 11 (24:18):
Okay.

Speaker 14 (24:18):
With that said, do you think you a Rich Heisman
would have a better forty? You think you could beat Rich?

Speaker 1 (24:25):
Do I have to wear the suits? So that's what
he does. He wears the suit, right, he has to
run in.

Speaker 14 (24:32):
You're more of a button up guy, so I don't
know if you're gonna put the blazer on.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
I think he would. He might have a better forty
time if we're just like he's running and then I'm
over here in this part of the country and I'm running.
But if we raced, I'm not gonna lose. I'm not
gonna lose Verchizon Zomsar, I'm gonna I'm gonna be. If
he's next to me, I'm gonna beat him. Now, what
will my calf look like and feel like? After that?
After those? After that, you know, five point nine seconds

(25:02):
or whatever. I don't know. I don't know what is
he where's he run?

Speaker 6 (25:06):
Uh?

Speaker 15 (25:07):
Right?

Speaker 1 (25:08):
Is it in the five now?

Speaker 14 (25:10):
I don't know, five low six or something like that.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
You know, I'm tall, I got some stride, but I
gotta I gotta, I gotta get going here. I don't know.
I haven't run in a while, and probably for a
good thing. We're not gonna be We're not gonna be
doing a lot of a lot of running.

Speaker 11 (25:24):
So that's good.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
Yeah, I did something. I did some dancing. I did
some dancing not too long ago, uh with with my
my daughter in front in a stage and all that.
That was two minutes long, and I felt that there,
so uh, that's the case. I certainly won't be doing
a lot of running.

Speaker 14 (25:40):
All right, I got stretch, Rather you got a stretch.
What do you got Now, I'll go. I'll go based
off of what you were just talking about. Actually, and
I think part of the issue, you know, we've had
this talk in the past with the philosophy of the
Cowboys when you put so much emphasis on the draft,
you know, and then look at this year's free agency
is a good example. We once again just kind of
fill some fill some roles. We're not really signing big starters.

(26:04):
And it's a good difference between how the Cowboys operate
and other teams, and we use Philly a lot. Philly
is not afraid to go make a big trade or
go sign a big free agent like Saquon and that's
why they're it's not so much of a risk for
them if they don't hit on all of their draft picks,
where for Dallas we don't make those types of trades.
We'll make, you know, the lower end trades, give up

(26:26):
a fourth, fifth, et cetera. But we put so much
emphasis on the draft that they have to hit. But
then you get the guidance of the world where you know,
most of the time we're drafting in the team's low twenties,
where those guys you know, they might work, they might not.
We've had two back to back drafts where it really
hasn't worked out for us, and now it's put us
pigeonholed us into this position where once again, here we're saying, hey,

(26:47):
we have to hit on this pick. Right, What I
would actually argue would and I know you don't, you
don't like to trade up, but I would actually think,
you know, in this year's draft, right listening to the
Draft Show and other guys, there's about fourteen to fifteen
first rounders on most people's boards. I wouldn't be afraid
to trade up to get the guy that you want

(27:08):
and give up, you know, one of those assets if
you know it's going to hit now you never truly know,
but you know you're trying to peg that, whether it's
going up and getting Hunter or Gent or whoever you
you know you identify, I would say I'd rather do
that and get the sure thing than the trade back,
because that's another scenario. People are bringing up, Hey why
don't we trade back to sixteen seventeen eighteen, But then

(27:31):
you run the same risk, you know, you're gonna run
that same risk of we get the guite and the
guy that we need to develop. Look at all the
offensive linemen. Every one of them has either an injury
history or technique issues, you know, So in this year's draft,
I think that's where it's concerning. And when you do
that year after year, this is what we get. So
I just want to get your thoughts on that. Would
you rather trade up, stay put? You know our trade back.

(27:54):
But for me, if you identify one of those guys
as the guy, give up the third go up to
pick or whatever, Zach and get your.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
Guy, let me ask you this before you hang up,
because this is basically what you're asking. You have a
chance to get one great player out of this twenty
twenty five draft class. You're gonna get one great player,
or you're gonna get four good ones, four good players
and and good players. You hope, they're though, well, but

(28:23):
I'm saying, yeah, well, you hope everything. You know, you
hope you don't get hit by a bus. I mean, like,
we hope everything. But but what I'm saying is is that,
like you like, out of this this draft class, you're
gonna get one great player, he's gonna be in the
Pro Bowl three times, or you're gonna get four good players,
solid good starters, probably not in the Pro maybe a
Pro Bowl alternate once four good ones. What does this

(28:45):
team need? Does this team need that one great player
or does team need four good players? And that's that's
kind of what happens because if you trade up, you
trade up to get that guy, but you're probably not
gonna get a lot of good second, third, fourth rounders.
But you should. Right, let's say trade back, you can
get a good player there. You got to get more
seconds and maybe another third, you're going to get more

(29:06):
good players.

Speaker 14 (29:07):
So I'll argue for why I would go with the
one great player. Ye, MICA's draft is a good example.
Michael was a great player.

Speaker 11 (29:15):
Out of that draft.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
I was thinking that, you know.

Speaker 14 (29:16):
Where the rest of that draft kind of.

Speaker 10 (29:20):
Good.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
Yeah, he's got a great, good player, but he's a
good player.

Speaker 14 (29:23):
Yeah, you got a great contract, and you're right on that.
I would go with the great player because they have
the ability to change your team. Now, if you can
go up as high as to get Hunter, whatever that's
going to cost, you do it, because he's a dual
threat one and you could either make him great just
at one position or hopefully good at two. But either
either way the other pieces you have to change your
philosophy of not everything has to be focused strictly draft.

(29:46):
And that's the problem with the Cowboys. You know, I'm
not saying we have to go back to five where
we you know, sign Henry Ferguson and all those guys
to these massive contracts. But if you can make certain
key moves key, you know, sometimes it's the high end trade.
I hate referring to the Eagle, but they did it
with aj Brown. You know, then they're not afraid to
go and sign the best running back on the market.
And they drafted, well, yeah, their defense is all young guys,

(30:09):
and they hit on those draft picks. They get that,
But all their money's on the offense, offensive line, their quarterback.
They're both receivers and they're running back. But the other
thing is they made good trades. If you look at
the next two three years, they have multiple seconds, multiple
thirds because they're not afraid to move around, make those moves.
So I would argue I'd rather go get the top
end great player because if you could do that, you know,

(30:31):
every year where you're getting just one or two great
players and bring in a couple other guys here and there.
That's the difference between getting to play, you know, divisional
round or getting beyond it. All right, in my opinion, Okay,
I think I think we need great not good.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
Sounds good, thanks, Zach. I mean that's a that's a
very good argument. I'll say this. If you're going to
have that free agency mindset, which hasn't really changed, even
though they did a little bit more this year, but
not not any big splashes. One thing I've always thought
of is you can't have that second round mentality where

(31:10):
you're gonna just go and get some wild card and
hope that that because he has an injury or off
the field issues or whatever, that that you know his
value is going to be higher than what it is.
He can't have that mentality if if if you're going
to put all the stock, like Zach says, all the
stock on the draft, then I don't think you can
have that second round mindset that that's got to be

(31:32):
another good, solid player, not one that man, we hope
all the things people are saying, but we think he's
going to be better and we're gonna get value like
they did with Jalen Smith, like they've done that. They
tried with uh Kelvin, Joseph, They've They've tried with a
lot of players uh In in the second round, and

(31:53):
you know, and Sam Williams is another one where you
know that they think, well they can get some some
better value. Then then's being reported and hasn't really worked out,
you know. I mean, Trayvon Diggs was a good second
round pick, but that wasn't really from that mindset. All right,
Let's go to Irene and Falls Church, Virginia.

Speaker 16 (32:13):
Hey, good morning, how are you guys doing good?

Speaker 7 (32:15):
How are you doing doing well?

Speaker 11 (32:17):
Doing well?

Speaker 16 (32:18):
All right, So i'll sandwich comment in with two questions.
So number one, agent zero, is this a culture change
or a marketing for life?

Speaker 14 (32:29):
Congrats?

Speaker 16 (32:30):
Congrats the demo he gets to wear his zero and
I'm sure that will be It's not even in the
fresh shop yet, but I already checked, so I'm sure
I'm not a loan in that.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
Anyway.

Speaker 16 (32:40):
So for the record, I wanted Rashaun Slater over Micah.
I'm never going to go back and claim revision of history,
so I'm not against a pick of o line. But
Rashaan Slater was like a really, really clean prospect, and
I think there just seems to be more questions about
O line this time around. You could say the same
thing for wide receiver though, And I think even if

(33:02):
if we do get somebody at O line at twelve,
it's still going to be an upgrade, even if it's not,
you know, the greatest prospect in the last decade. So
I think they have to balance that when they're evaluating.
And then if we get I guess wiped out on
genty and Ted are kind of like the hot pick
if they fall to you, and it feels like they'd

(33:23):
have to fall to you, right, But leaning into some
of the draft buzz, if we don't have trade partners
to go back, do you think the more likely pick
is Hampton or Golden And I'll take it.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Up there at twelve? Yeah, twelve, that's twelve, Okay, all right,
thanks Ireen. I think I don't think it would be Hampton.
I don't I don't believe that they will. I think
they would take gent if he was there at twelve.
I don't think he will be, but I think they
would take him there. I don't know if it'll they
would take Hampton or any other running back. Like I

(33:56):
said earlier, I just don't feel like they think think
that they they're going to, you know, try to get
a running back that's you know, too high. Not saying
that they don't take one, but but well we'll see again.
This is the time of year where it's it's a
lot of smoke screen. You know, you hear one thing

(34:17):
say another just because one scout leaves the meeting room
and says, I don't know if we're going to take
a running back or I don't know if they're going
to do this or receiver. I don't think they like
they don't like this offensive tackle. It doesn't mean that
Jerry doesn't. It doesn't mean that Will McClay doesn't. So
if you guys watch the draft show, you sit a rund,
you know that they got what twelve guys sitting in here,

(34:38):
and they have different opinions on different players, you know,
So same thing happens with scouts and coaches and players
and things like that, especially the coaches that see things differently. Also,
you mentioned over shown, Yeah he's gonna wear zero. You know,
it's been one of those storylines that I'm just glad

(35:00):
that that's over. I think it's kind of taken on
a life of its own. You know, he needs to
be real careful. I mean, like like, it's about playing
good football. It's not about numbers and all that stuff.
And everybody everybody likes him, everybody likes uh de Marvin overshown.
But you know, let's you know, hopefully and and I

(35:21):
think he will hopefully. You know, his mindset is getting back.
He said that the other day. That's the most important thing.
He said. It's not about wearing zero, the first to
wear zero. No one cares really about that. They really don't.
What they care about is is is he said he
wants to be comeback player of the year. Well that
that's great. That's what people care about that because when
he's on the field and he's going flying around the

(35:42):
ball and doing his thing. Uh, he can be a
really good player. And we saw that before he got hurt.
And that's what I think people are caring about. Uh,
you don't, you know, you don't want to get too
far down the road and and and and worry about
the wrong stuff. There were other linebackers that were drafted
around here that changed numbers that that kind of fell
into you don't want to be that. And I'm not
saying he's going to be that, but I'm just saying,

(36:03):
gotta be careful. Hopefully the focus is on the rehab
for him getting back and getting stronger and getting back
on the field, because because when that happened, he can
be a really good player and that's exactly what the
Cowboys need. Let's go to break here real quick on
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go to the phone lines again. Lewis is in Lanston, Oklahoma. Lewis,
what's up?

Speaker 21 (38:32):
Not much, man, not much?

Speaker 11 (38:33):
Man.

Speaker 21 (38:33):
Get my little opinion about them making the trade for
Joe Milton. I appreciate. I appreciate them trying to bring
in some extra help, a backup, maybe somebody in the future,
especially with Dak's contract. At the end of At the
end of Dak's contract, you kind of still have the
rights to Joe Milton. But I was wondering because I
haven't really got to listen, so I don't know if

(38:55):
anybody's bought it up. Do you still think about around
trading camp they bring in like a ring quarterback, because
as much as I like Joe Milton, you know, he
doesn't have a whole bunch of indgame experience, and then
Will Greer doesn't have a whole bunch of in game experience.
So do you think they bring in a veteran quarterback
on something small, couple million dollars or something like that,
just to you know, another body and just in case

(39:18):
as an insurance as the season goes on.

Speaker 11 (39:21):
Yeah, I do think that that.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
Go ahead, go ahead, Sorry to cut you off, go ahead, lost, No,
you're good.

Speaker 21 (39:29):
And I just was I don't want to harp on
the Mica thing. You know, everybody is kind of talking
about it. I really do think it's going to get done.
It's just, honestly, when it comes to the time, and
I'm not the biggest fan of the waiting and waiting
and see and wait till the end of the training
camp or wait right before the game starts, or like
all of that pandering, and I'm not a fan of it.

(39:52):
So I wish they would hurry up and get that done.
And then my next question is, what do you think
do they do you think they bringing up? I mean,
I know they're going to go through the draft, but
I still worry about the big.

Speaker 15 (40:04):
Man in the middle.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
As far as a big.

Speaker 21 (40:06):
Nose tackle, you think they bring somebody in during training camp,
because that's the onest that's the biggest thing that I'm
worried about. And bringing in the body.

Speaker 12 (40:14):
As far as give me a three.

Speaker 21 (40:16):
Hundred pounds what Brian brought a trash can full of dirt,
somebody in movable. You know, I need them to bring
somebody in like that. As much as I like Mazi,
I need them to bring another body in like that.
Even if you bring in another three takes, let them
be three hundred pounds plus. But that's it, man, I'll
get off the phone. Let's how to get in Listen

(40:36):
when I can.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
Thanks. I appreciate it, Lewis. You know, going back to that,
you know one technique, big old defensive tackle. Sloppy guys.
When you look at Matt Eberflu's defenses, well when he
was here with the Cowboys, you know it was Rod
Marinelli's defense. You know he was the linebackers coach, but
a lot of people thought he was kind of the

(40:58):
co coordinator there, and they didn't have a lot of
big guys defensive tackle, Tyrone Crawford, Nick Hayden, you know
they're at tackle. When he was with the Colts, that
that wasn't somebody that wasn't a position that he really
had a lot of, like big, you know, size defensive tackles.

(41:18):
They still stay in their gaps and stop the run.
They also kind of get up the field, And I
think there's two mindsets there. You know, you get these
big bodies that you're not necessarily pushing the pile this way,
but you're not gonna get pushed back, and you can
stop the run and things like that and hope that
your guys off the edge make the play, which you

(41:39):
know in this case the Cowboys have those guys obviously,
and Micah and you know some other pass rushers Dante Fowler,
I think's gonna help. You also can look at it
and say, I want my guys. That's what Marinelli's thought was.
I want guys that rush the quarterback, get up the field,
create so much pressure that you have to worry about
that you're not worried as much much about running it. Yeah,

(42:01):
you're gonna run it at times, but we're in and
that you know they're gonna be solid and get it stopped.
But the pressure is going to be in the quarterback,
you know, getting up the field. So that I think
is kind of what the mindset is. So don't be
surprised if you don't. You're looking at the roster, you
just don't see that guy. You may not have the
Linvall Joseph type player. I'm not saying you won't have

(42:21):
three hundred pound lineman, but but the big old sloppy tackle.
Not sure if that guy is on this defense. Well,
we'll see, we'll see how it goes. All right, let's
go to Davion in Illinois. No, sorry, Michael Bowling, Green, Kentucky.
Didn't see that one up there. Michael, what's up man?

Speaker 10 (42:40):
What's going on?

Speaker 9 (42:41):
Doing good?

Speaker 1 (42:42):
How are you? I'mstp oh?

Speaker 9 (42:45):
I waited?

Speaker 1 (42:49):
Uh?

Speaker 9 (42:50):
Are you gonna have a show Wednesday after next the
day before the draft? Yes, okay, I wasn't sure. I
don't know how much stuff you have to do.

Speaker 19 (43:02):
You know, coming out, we'll do it.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
I mean, the only schedule that might change somewhat is Thursday,
but I don't know that that's that'll be discussed on Chris.
Chris is probably working on that. H Those those shows
that happened earlier in the day on Thursday, I think
there's three of them, So we'll see about that. But
but as far as the other shows, I think my

(43:26):
show Wednesday, yeah, we'll be there.

Speaker 13 (43:29):
Well.

Speaker 9 (43:29):
When Chris answered, I mean he said he said he
was busy, he had a lot of work to do.

Speaker 5 (43:33):
So, yeah, I thought a thing on Instagram last week
and I believed it.

Speaker 9 (43:40):
And found that it was April Fools shoke. They said
cowboys are releasing digs to free up money to pay Micah.
Because I was like, well, that makes sense. I've been
kind of sad about it, but it was a believable
April Fools shoke.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
Yeah, yeah, that is believable. I mean that that that
could happen. But they don't need they don't need to
free up money to sign Micah. They don't need to
do that because signing Micah is going to be less
money than what he's counting right now. They could free
up money by signing Micah, That's what they could do.

(44:20):
So they don't need to do that. It sounded good
and all that, and I don't really know the future
for Trayvon Diggs. It'll depend a lot on how he
returns from injury this year, when he returns all that stuff,
and how he plays, obviously, but we'll we'll, we'll see.
It's it's an uphill battle for him, uh, with the

(44:41):
injury that he had, the timing of it. But you know,
he's a playmaker. We know that. We've seen that. And
I thought he played pretty well last year coming off
the injury that he had. I thought he I thought
he played well. I'm not I'd never get caught up
in those cornerbacks that go and and and do they
ta do they don't. Deon Sanders is the greatest football player,

(45:03):
in my opinion of all times didn't tackle. And he's
on my team. He's one of the first picks in
his prime pun intended. He he is one of the
best football players to ever play. So, yeah, the knock
on him and the people that didn't like the flastiness,
the earrings, the gold chains, the rap and all the

(45:23):
ego and the arrogance, then they oh he doesn't tackle.
Oh fine, but you know he shut down half the field.
He made Larry Brown into a really good cornerback for
one year. So anyways, tray Von Diggs, go cover your guy,
make plays. I thought he does that pretty well, and
so I don't. I don't really knock his game for

(45:44):
the tackling whatever. I don't do that.

Speaker 9 (45:47):
I got one more quick question. Yeah, I heard that
Dak was like spy him down. I heard, and he's
lost as much as fifty pounds.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
Did you hear that on April first?

Speaker 9 (45:58):
No other days?

Speaker 1 (46:00):
Okay, that he's lost how much I've heard?

Speaker 19 (46:04):
I can't.

Speaker 9 (46:04):
I find it hard to believe that he's lost as
much as fifty pounds. That just doesn't that just doesn't
seem But they said he's slimming down, So I don't
know what that's going to do for his game.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
Do you said five zero or five to one fifteen?

Speaker 9 (46:22):
I've heard, I've heard as much as fifty pounds, which
sounds insane, can't be true. But they said he is
slimming down.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
Okay, Well, they've got him listed in last year's rosters
to twenty eight. My math says that fifty pounds is
one seventy eight and turpen weighs one to fifty five.
So let's hold that swimming down.

Speaker 6 (46:52):
Though.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
Let's hope that's not the case. I don't think that's
that's that's close to that, deuce Van. No, No, he
hadn't lost fifty pounds.

Speaker 10 (47:05):
I saw him.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
I saw him two days ago. I've seen him working
out some Uh. He looks good. He looks good. He's
he hasn't lost fifty pounds, and he doesn't need to
lose fifty pounds like like, that's not that's not that's
not his problem like that, that's not the problem at all.
So he whatever it is, is fine. He looks very

(47:27):
dak like. He looks almost the same. So I don't
know what you heard or read or whatever. He might
have lost some weight, but I I he doesn't. He
doesn't look any different. So to me, all right, Michael,
good talking to you. Let's keep it rolling, let's keep
it going. Here. We're going to Illinois. Dave yarns in Illinois.
He's been holding Davey on what's up?

Speaker 11 (47:48):
What it do?

Speaker 8 (47:49):
What it do?

Speaker 11 (47:50):
What it do? My god, whats going on with that?

Speaker 1 (47:53):
How are you?

Speaker 11 (47:55):
I'm doing great, going great, man. You know. My routine
is getting out work and Uh yeah, excited to get
on what do you? What do you?

Speaker 1 (48:06):
What is your draft thoughts?

Speaker 11 (48:11):
First of all, man, it was so good to wake
up when not wake up, but open up Twitter today
and see agent zero. I haven't bought a Cowboy jersey
since I got dig so man, I'm had to go
on cop there. That's that's it, that's history to making there.
We never had a zero, so I'm like, this is
that is so cool now as a player. No, that

(48:34):
is so cool to have a zero out there as
a Cowboy star. Man, it's gonna be I think I'm
about to get that jersey. All right, Uh, draft out hopefully.
I mean, I don't know why Kyper keep up giving
us Mario Hampton at twelve. I guess you know, we
gotta do what you gotta do for I think, yeah,
I don't think that's gonna happen. I think if we're

(48:56):
gonna do that be a trade bag. It's just a
little too rich for my Yeah, that for me, I don't.
I really ain't feeling that. But hopefully, I mean, I'll
tell you, I'm I'm team Weapon. I want to I
want to eat a tech. I mean, I would be
okay with golden, but still I want to trade back
to him too. But yeah, I'm all about team weapon.

(49:19):
I don't want no office line. I know me and
Dylan Beever I battles about it, but I just I can't.
I just can't wrap my mind around having that office
line in the first round. I don't want to go
a boy. It developing. We're just trying to figure out.
And Dad had a good question from Germany. I was,
I'm I'm with you. I want I want four good guys.

(49:40):
I don't really they were a great one that is cool,
but yeah, I want me some four good ones because
I think this team needs good players. We got we
got a corps of potentially great with Dad, c d, Micah,
maybe Demo if if he can can't bounce back on
his injury, then we got the particul the great players

(50:02):
in that. So give me, give me some four good
guys or go along with that corps and just man
we can really start cooking.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
Yeah, I'm with you. You know you made a statement
about the offensive line. You're you're not feeling that and
you're saying that you don't want a guy to develop.
But you know, if you're drafted a guy at offensive
lineman at twelve. There's not a lot of developing there
shouldn't be, Yeah, I mean, plug in and play. That's
That's the one concern that I have is for the

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last ten years, you've had not had zero worries about
your right guard position, and right now you don't have
a player I guess Tyler Smith at left guard. You
don't have a lot of worries there. But I like
two or three linemen like that. So that's why I
would probably do it. And I'm not saying you have
to draft a guard, but I'm drafting the tackle. I'm

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drafting somebody I want less people to worry about for
the offensive line. And that's that's probably why I keep
going back there. That's why I would say an offensive
lineman because you just lost a Hall of Famer and
and you don't have that, and I think you can
get good value with the twelfth overall pick. There's five

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or six teams not doing that. They got to get quarterback,
they got to get receiver, they got to get pass rusher.
So go for it. That's why you're gonna get really good.
To me, you get really good value with the offensive
line if you if you do it at twelfth That's
what That's why I keep going there.

Speaker 11 (51:26):
But but I mean the people they're trying to get
there is either tackles. They're trying to slide into the
guard or the Booker guy. And like everybody's swearing about
this guy, but I mean Alabama lineman or yeah, yeah,
I mean yeah, it's like you know, them guys come in.
I mean the GIANTZ line is full of them, and

(51:46):
it's like, Okay, I'm with you.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
I understand that, you know, and but but I'm don't
be worried about the guys that they're sliding into guard.
I mean that that that's what happened. That's what Zach
Martin did. I mean Zach Martin did that. He is
a and a lot of these guys are are going
to be guards and they're going to be great, great guard.
Tyler Smith is another one. He played tackle at Tulsa

(52:10):
because he could. He could be on the outside. He's
quick enough, strong enough, he could do all that. But
he's going to be a better guard. And that's what
that's what he's done. And I think you know that's
that might be what Kelvin Banks from Texas or Wild
Campbell from l s U. That might be the case,
but that's not a knock on them. I mean they
I think they can handle it.

Speaker 11 (52:29):
Yeah, I just I'm.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
I ain't trying to change your mind because I don't
I don't have I mean, I who am I I mean?
I I just say what I think could help this team.
I I think you can have a better opportunity for
a plug and play guy to right here at twelve.
And don't throw Tyler Gutting at me, because that that

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was a forced pick late in the first round. They
needed a lineman. They knew he was raw, they knew
was a project, and that's exactly what he's been. Not
as good as they thought he would be his first year,
but still they knew there was gonna be some work there.
But you draft the lineman at twelve. I'm not worried
about Tyler Gouiton's feelings. He can play right tackle. He
can he can figure it out. I needed a plug
and play player, and I think the position to do

(53:18):
that is probably left tackle, maybe corner. You draft the
corner at twelve. Overall, he should be able to come
right in and start. So that's that's kind of my thought. There.

Speaker 11 (53:28):
I agree, I mean, but I'm not. I'm not out.
The jeris for me, and I think guy gonna be
all right. I think he might be in the weight
room like they say, and they I think it'd be okay.
I think he need better coaching, and I think we
got one with Connor and Clayton. But I think we
I want to and I just I just have a

(53:49):
sneaky feeling that Brocket is gonna he's gonna battle, all right, man.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
He's gonna talk about brock He's going to There's no
doubt about it.

Speaker 11 (54:00):
I'm I'm not really giving up on him quite yet.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
You don't have to give up on him, all right,
Dave Yon, good stuff, good stuff from you. Let's go
to Carolina. He's on the road. He's trucking. I think
in Lynndale, Texas. I don't even know where that is. Carolina.
What's up?

Speaker 11 (54:17):
What's up?

Speaker 8 (54:18):
My friend?

Speaker 1 (54:18):
How you doing?

Speaker 11 (54:20):
How you doing all right?

Speaker 6 (54:22):
I mean a day.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
You're you're you're really in Texan. You're like a native Texan.
Every time you call, you're really in Texas. I mean,
I hope, I hope.

Speaker 19 (54:33):
In the past couple of years I've been in take
them a lot. I'll tell you.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
That that might need to be your residence. Don't pay
state income tax.

Speaker 8 (54:42):
I mean that will be cool.

Speaker 6 (54:46):
Too big, you could never get out of here.

Speaker 8 (54:50):
I like South Carolina.

Speaker 4 (54:52):
I like it nice and small.

Speaker 19 (54:54):
Hen and be home if I need.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
You all this time?

Speaker 11 (54:59):
All right, go ahea, what do you got South Carolina?

Speaker 6 (55:02):
Man?

Speaker 1 (55:02):
Came on, you can't can't do that, man, I am
so sorry. I don't know the difference, but I bet
you there is a big one if you ask the
previle down there.

Speaker 6 (55:10):
But I don't know there's there's a big difference. But
all right, I'm on a touch back on what Gavin
said earlier in the show about Joe Milton. Yeah, I
mean I was kind of it was kind of exciting
that you know, got some younger talent there, a mobile
talent at that somebody who can throw run basically has

(55:31):
a strong arm. Now, this is this is what I've
been futering with. Right, do you think you know? I
got a couple of questions, But the first one is
do you think that this is like.

Speaker 19 (55:40):
A safety net for them.

Speaker 6 (55:42):
Since you know that has been you know, getting hurt
so frequently, Because I mean, that's be realistic and then
against Lill grill, but I mean that goes down real
grill go in.

Speaker 19 (55:53):
I mean, I don't think we went four or five games.

Speaker 6 (55:56):
Yeah, he barely made it happen with Cooper and.

Speaker 11 (56:00):
That was a strict Yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
I agree with you. I agree. I don't. I don't
know if they're a backup quarterback, the true backup to Dak.
I don't know if he's on the roster right now.
He might be. He might be Joe Milton. I I
saw him the other day, did his interview with Tommy Yarish.
I mean, he's a big dude. I mean he I

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mean I was, I was like, wow, like, you know,
I just didn't I didn't expect that. And he's definitely
got a big arm. But he's wrong. He's got to
get you know, he's got to get you know, it
figured out. And you know that's exciting though, you know
with Dak coming back and and and Milton and and

(56:45):
then well we'll see, we'll see, you know, maybe they
draft someone. They don't have to, they don't have to
draft the quarterback, but they still could.

Speaker 19 (56:53):
I mean, who's I mean, like, when you're talking about
later round draft.

Speaker 4 (56:58):
Who would you really draft over you? When are we
talking about fifth round over Milton?

Speaker 1 (57:04):
Oh? I don't know. If you have to draft him
over Milton, I mean they might. You're you're probably draft
him over Will Greer, you know, and keeping three quarterbacks.
So I don't, I don't know. I mean, honestly, yeah,
it was a really good move. I mean, it's that's

(57:24):
the time of the year. This is these are band
aid moves. You're you're putting band aids on on positions.
You don't it's not bleeding. You don't have to go
and and and fix this right now. And so that's
that's kind of what what it is. And so I
think though it was a great move, great move from
what they ended up giving up a comp fifth round
pick to solidify the position if they want to. Now,

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if they want to, if they think that there's a
quarterback that's better, go for it. It's probably gonna push
Will Greer out. But then then those are your three guys.
And if they don't draft one, then then maybe they
still look at the see who's available, uh, in free agency.

Speaker 5 (58:02):
So I got a question for you, right, the worst
this is the worst case scenario, right, Okay, say, say,
if you know nobody.

Speaker 8 (58:14):
I've never want anybody here.

Speaker 19 (58:15):
But just with his you know, frequency of being hurt
so much, say that goes down right, I'll just say,
first six games of the season, you're three and three
or you're yeah, let's say four and two, whatever the
case they need. And and you he can't come back
and Joe Milan can win you eight games?

Speaker 11 (58:39):
Do you go back to that?

Speaker 6 (58:40):
Oh my god, because just because he has a because
he has a contract and the money.

Speaker 19 (58:45):
Then we've seen we've seen this before, you know, top being.

Speaker 6 (58:48):
Quarterbacks a little bit older to hit her.

Speaker 19 (58:51):
New young guy comes in in wows.

Speaker 6 (58:54):
The whole front office. Are you too invested to go
to the younger down or you're sticking with Dak?

Speaker 1 (59:03):
I mean that that's a heck of a scenario. But
we've seen it. We've seen it. Oh yeah, I mean
we saw with Dak in Romo. I mean, Dak just
kept winning. Dak wasn't better than Tony Romo. I mean
at his rookie year, he wasn't a better quarterback than
Tony Romo. But you couldn't do that. You couldn't change
it at the time. And that's why I said, four

(59:26):
or five years ago, three years ago, whenever that was
I made this comment and didn't happen. But I said,
if Cooper Rush wins five games in a row, I'm
not going to Dak. I'm not going back to Dak
on this. He's not if you win five games in
a row, I'm gonna stick with what's happening here. And
then that they won four in a row, he lost
to the Eagles, Dak comes back. All that just it's

(59:50):
more of a mojo thing than than that. So we'll
see that's there's a lot happening there. How was Dak
playing before the injury? How is you know, Milton is he?
Is he the reason they're winning? Or is it just
because the defense is playing well? So a lot of
factors involved there, but you know, ultimately you do, I've

(01:00:11):
been playing the better quarterback. I'm playing the better quarterback.
But again that that is such a crazy scenario of
a guy that was a sixth round pick for the
Patriots who sucks. Well, hold on, I didn't finish. The
Patriots sucked last year. Okay, they weren't good at all,
and he was there and it wasn't an option to play,

(01:00:34):
so it's not like he was Dak. That was like, oh,
we got to put Dak in and Dak takes him
and they take off. I'm just saying that he's a
sixth round type player with a strong arm. So to
say that he is going to jump in and be
a better option than Dak, well, a lot of the
stars have to align just perfectly. And that's what we're

(01:00:56):
doing in mid April here, we're doing scenarios like that.
We can have fun and do all that. But I
find that very hard to believe that he is going
to be a better player than Dak Prescott right now.
But if he is, I'm for it. It'll be fun
to watch.

Speaker 19 (01:01:12):
My last comment for you man seem.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
That seems like an That one seemed like an indur
but but to have another one, I can't wait for it.
I can't wait.

Speaker 6 (01:01:21):
So you know I'll see that everybody. I love the
all season, I love the draft, I love the free agency.
I'm not too big on that takes so long. I
am ready for football. I'm ready for football, even though
it's about to be.

Speaker 19 (01:01:35):
Preseason or however long it's gonna take for it to come.
That's what I'm ready to see. That's is when We're
gonna see what type of chality he has. I mean,
of course it's backups, but it's the NFL.

Speaker 17 (01:01:46):
Man.

Speaker 6 (01:01:46):
If you're in the NFL, you got down back up
for the backup, and I'm gonna leave it at Dad.
Can't wait till the preseason come, can't wait till this
traft is over. See who we acquire? O Cowboys?

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
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we got some more callers on the line. Let's go

(01:03:30):
to Derek at Seattle. He's been holding for a little bit. Derek,
what's up man, Hey.

Speaker 12 (01:03:35):
Good morning, Hope Aul's going well in your life. Don't
go I don't repeat my anybody else. I just kind
of chimed in here, but so I might repeat myself
or somebody else. But yeah, offensive linemen like the last caller, Oh,
I really don't want to see that. I just think
the first three picks some order have to be receiver,

(01:03:57):
running back, and corner. I mean we're getting in. You
look at teams like Philly, the Rams, I mean, they're
so explosive because they have so many playmakers. We have
one CD, so we gotta I think we have to
improve that. And then the other thing is where do
you sit on I hate all this talk of value

(01:04:19):
and need. I'm more. I mean in the first round, yeah,
go with value, the guy who could be an all pro.
But Dallas so many times in the second and third
rounds for they pick a guy because oh he's great value,
he was ranked high.

Speaker 10 (01:04:33):
Yeah, still here, but go for needs.

Speaker 12 (01:04:36):
I mean, all the guys. Once you get past the
top twenty five, the next eighty guys are pretty close.
So I think draft for a position you need. I
don't know how you feel about that. And then finally, yeah,
everybody's always trying to get rid of Dak. It's killing me.
It was Cooper Radish nuts. This Milton guy that's the quarterback,

(01:04:57):
if he has a decent team around him, are going
to be excellent. And so yeah, everybody leave Dak alone.
They have a nice backup in Milton now a little
better than Cooper, perhaps more explosive. But anyways, Derek, I
want to see what you thought.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
Yeah, Well, I'm gonna ask you. You said the Cowboys
have one playmaker? Who is that?

Speaker 4 (01:05:17):
It's CD?

Speaker 8 (01:05:18):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
Well, I'm just gonna remind you about five years ago
the Cowboys were in that draft. They did not have
the need for him, but they did see the value
of him that was falling and said, you know what,
let's draft this guy. Yeah, we have a Mari Cooper,
we have Michael Gallup, but let's draft this guy.

Speaker 12 (01:05:36):
But that was first round and in the first round.
I get that in the first round you can get
an all pro like he is, but it's the second, third,
fourth round, second.

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
Yeah. But here, and here's another thing. Though, they got
all they got needs at everything. I mean, like they do,
they need everything. They need a corn They probably don't
need a safety. That's the don't really need a safety.
And I think they would be fine with not getting
a tight end. I'm not saying you don't, you know

(01:06:06):
if there's a better option, but I'm saying you probably
don't need a tight end. You don't need a safety.
But what every other position? Running back, you know, guards, tackle, receiver,
need you know, there's a need there. I'm like, if
you got an exciting young wide receiver. That was fun. Yeah,

(01:06:27):
that that that that'd be great, you know, I mean
think about like the Xavier Worthy type. He was drafted
late in the first round. Good exciting player. But but
you know Flowers from from the Ravens a few years ago,
it is kind of like that, you know, similar to
what what Golden could be. But I mean, if it's

(01:06:49):
an offensive lineman, I'd be totally fine with that. I mean,
I I just don't understand how honestly, no offense, but
I just don't understand how Cowboy fans can't that have
been a fans of this team for the last few years,
ten fifteen years, and look at what happened when they
signed or when they drafted Tyron Smith, Travis Frederick, Zach Martin.
As much as they might have hated that at the time,

(01:07:11):
what great picks that they were and what did that
do for the offensive line? And it just so happened
that Dak was able to step right in as a
rookie and play and Zeke was ready to roll as
a rookie as well. So I think a solid offensive
line like this makes you have a little bit more playmakers.
But you know, not forget everyone keep talking about the Eagles.

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Eagles have a great offensive line, a great offensive line,
which makes a lot of those guys better too. So hey,
I'm they can't go wrong. They got too many needs.
They really can't go wrong here.

Speaker 12 (01:07:45):
But I hope they get explosive though.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
And that's fine. I get it. You want to do that,
hadn't seen it in a while, hadn't drafted that in
a while, that would that would be fun. I'm not
going to say that it's not, but I just I
can't see a pick that I would be like, oh,
I hate that. I don't see.

Speaker 11 (01:08:06):
No time anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
But that tight end from Penn State, I mean, he
could be really, really dynamic, and I do think tight
ends can change your offense if you if they could
be a mismatched nightmare. The only thing that would be
bad is if they did what the Falcons did last
year and drafted like a Michael Pennox just to sit
and that's that would be the one thing. If they
if they said, you know what we're gonna get, We're

(01:08:32):
gonna get Jackson Dark and that you know he's not
gonna help you tomorrow. I don't think so that would
be the only thing that I could see where in
the first round this doesn't look good. But other than that,
it's gonna be fine.

Speaker 10 (01:08:45):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
Thanks, good hearing from you. All right, let's go to
Tamara in Iowa. Tamara, what's up?

Speaker 10 (01:08:54):
Hey? How are you doing good?

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
How are you doing?

Speaker 17 (01:08:57):
I'm doing great. I usually get a little more leeway
than this. So, hey, I just wanted to say, so,
it's not it's not. Uh. I've never met Rob and
why I like what he has to say. I'm not
his ex because all my exes are in Texas and

(01:09:20):
I only have one. All right, name is not His
name is not Rob. Anyhow So in the Romo thing
last time, I called it in about Romo and I
got a little mixed up. I thought it happened in Denver.
I think it was actually a Browns game and he
had stitches on his face. And if you google it
you can find it anyway. I don't know if it

(01:09:42):
was actually confirmed or not. That's part I don't know.
But if you google it, you can find out what
I was talking about anyhow. And the Denver game, now,
I gotta say, so, you ever sit next to somebody
at work and they just hate your team and they hate.
They hate the guy you love the most, which is Romo.
I love him the most, and they just wanted to

(01:10:02):
make fun of him every chance they got. And so
I sat next to a Broncos fan and he loved
in that Broncos game. I don't know if I know
he did play with broken ribs at a game. I'm
not sure if it was that one, but I know
Romo did play. Well, we don't talk about it because
you're supposed to support all your injuries and all that,

(01:10:24):
but I know that Romo did play with some broken
injuries that he didn't talk about, and I think it
might have been that game. But that game was brutal
to me, and then I lived to Yeah, it's hard
to sit next to somebody that likes to talk about
that and he just so anyhow, So I think that's
how I got that mixed up in my brain. But anyway, so,

(01:10:46):
what do you think about what's going on in the
off season, because I don't know. I'm optimistically kind of
hopeful I have, what I mean, but what I really
likes to call hoopium a little bit of that going
on out of my little basket. It's not much, so
you know, Yeah, where and I where and I were
in the ground is still pretty cold over here, so

(01:11:07):
we're not putting no flowers till after Mother's Day. That's
the thing. I don't know what happens down where you
guys are in Texas where all my exes one you
guys might be putting powers down there, but we're not. Anyway,
That's all I had to say. I actually had actually
had something else that I was holding it so long

(01:11:28):
I forgot about what it was. But anyway, I just
love y'all, and I love what you do, and I'll talk.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
To you later. All right, thank you, have a good day.
All Right. It's a lot going on there. I'm trying
to even trying to say where to process that off
season hopefulness. Yeah, I mean, that's that's what happens in
the off season. I mean, you you get it's like

(01:11:55):
the cycle. You get you get excited again about what
what's this? You know what this team can do and
and you know some of the things that they're done
in the offseason to try to you know, fix fix
the problems. And there were a lot of problems, and
so we just talked about in the last caller. I
mean there's there's a lot of uh, there's a lot
of needs on this team. So they're gonna get a
good player, Like you know, they get top twelve pick.

(01:12:17):
They've earned that because they weren't very good last year.
And not only that, but you get the forty fourth
pick in the second round, which is, you know, pretty
pretty high in the second round. She'd get another good player.
She get another player that that should come in and start.
So you know, that's what this team needs. You got
guys coming back from injury. You're getting some some players
and free agency that can come in and help. You're
also getting some some draft picks. So that's that's what

(01:12:39):
it is. You add that together and in new coach
and you know, new new staff, and yeah, they should
get excited about it. All right, let's go to Ronnie
in New Jersey.

Speaker 10 (01:12:47):
Hey, how are you doing next?

Speaker 8 (01:12:48):
Good?

Speaker 1 (01:12:48):
How are you?

Speaker 10 (01:12:50):
That's so bad? Pretty good? Thank you? Uh? Nick, I
don't know. I was just telling Chris, I'm like, I
don't see why everybody's getting So what's up with a
deal with wanting an offensive lineman? I mean, whenever we've
been good, we've had a great offensive line. So I
don't know where they're getting that they have to have

(01:13:10):
a wide receiver or running back. I guess because they're
seeing all this stuff on ESPN and stuff like that,
that that's what they're getting predicted to get. But I'll
be I'll be I'll be happy if we get somebody
that could open up and help back with the passing
game and with the running game. So obviously, what anything

(01:13:30):
back with that? With that being said, I was wondering,
like they're taking so long with his negotiations back and
forth with with Micah. I'm wondering if they are waiting
for the draft, see maybe hey, you never know, somebody
might blow their doors off by by giving them a
great offer. What will you take for for for for

(01:13:53):
a great pass rusher, because honestly, he's a great pass rusher.
He's not that much of a run stopper. If they
what to offer you three first round picks were two
first round picks, a second and a third within these
two years, what do you take that? I mean, I
think I would What do you think?

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
I mean, I got to remember the position that I'm in.
If I'm if I'm gonna sit there and say yeah,
I would do that. I need to see what it is.
I need to see exactly what it is. So hypothetically
trading Micah Parsons, I'm not. I'm not for the hypothetical.
You can do that, and that's what fans should do.
Me personally, I need to see the numbers. I need
to see what it is. What exactly is it going

(01:14:34):
to be. Is it going to change your team? And
you can't just say first round picks because Travis Hunter
is it going to be a first round pick and
Shamar Stewart is going to be a first round pick
as well, probably from a andem. I'm just I just
looked at our draft magazine here and I'm just, you know,
throwing that out there. What what are we talking here?
High first round, late first round? And I understand when

(01:14:57):
you go down the road, it's you don't know that
because that team's gonna get better with Micah Parsons. We
know that. So I wouldn't expect a high, high first
round pick except for the one right there. So if
someone's offered me a pick for Michaeh Parsons, the first
round pick better be a high pick after that.

Speaker 10 (01:15:14):
That was the That was the other part of the question,
because I was going to ask you if it would
have to be. I would consider a team, let's say,
like Cleveland. I would consider a team that's not gonna
give me like a pick in the twenties or or
you know, fifteen, You know what I'm saying. Like, I
would consider a team that I know is going to
be bad for the next couple of years. So if

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they're offering me something like that for Mica, I would
probably take it because I don't think whatever players we
get this year is going to make considering the division
and the conference that we're in, I don't see us
as a playoff team this year. Maybe some maybe something
will change for next year, but this year, I don't

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see us being a playoff team. So that's why I
would kind and considered, all right, something like that. Okay,
thanks running.

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
I just I'm just not about trading away Micah. I
mean I just when I see him on the field,
I see the things that he does and how he
can change the game, and just not I'm the goals
to get great players on your football team. That's what
the draft is all about. You want to get these
great players. That was one of the best picks the
Cowboys have ever had in the history of the franchise

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to get Micah Parsons at where they did. They had
the tenth pick, they traded back to the twelfth pick.
Did they back into it, Yeah, maybe they still got him.
He was great. He is great, and that's the goal.
And so not to trade him to try to get
other great picks and hope that they're is good. I
don't know. I'd rather just surround him with other good

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players and and and I think he'll even be even better.
So that's why I've just never been a big fan
of making that trade. All right, let's last one. Let's
go to Rick in Massachusetts.

Speaker 5 (01:16:58):
Rick.

Speaker 15 (01:17:00):
Hey, Hey, Nick, how you doing. I'm all right, just
I agree with you. You'd rather have four good players
the one great player. It's easier to go back or
just draft who you are than it is to go
up because you lose a lot of draft capital, which
you need. So and commentson's will saying you know about

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Mark Parsons, you know great that he turned out the
way he did, But he wasn't listed as being a
great player, was just listed as being a linebacker. And
when we kicked him up at twelve because we lost
the two corners that we wanted, and then from there
he turned into a great players. So that turned out
great for us.

Speaker 8 (01:17:44):
Right, I agree.

Speaker 1 (01:17:46):
I agree, he had to kind of luck into it.
So now I don't know about trading him away. I'm
not a fan of the.

Speaker 15 (01:17:53):
Other things I was saying is that, you know, as
far as drafting, like me, it would probably be why
because you don't beck the wide receiver in the first
or second round, you're gonna it goes down from there
where running back you got plenty. You could draft third round,
maybe even to the fifth. If we can pick up
a fourth, that's even better. But getting a wide receiver,

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running back or later cornerbacks or defensive tackles or something
like that, you know, picking up a good early whatever,
that's good too. But that's the way I did. I
like to Milton trade myself too.

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
All right, well, good, thanks thanks for the call. Rick.
You know one one thing I'll say, and I've said
this stat before and I'll mention it again. You know
you said that if you go a little further a
wide receiver this you know, the stats you'll go down
as far as how good of a player you're gonna get.
That that's the same with any position. The same with
running back. I mean, there's a notion out there that

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you can draft the running back at any round and
you'd be fine. But I went back and looked at
these stats. I mean that the stats don't say that.
I mean, going back before the pandemic, that's like six
years of Pro Bowl selections, thirty four of your last
forty Pro Bowl selections have been first or second round
running backs. So and then there's a couple in the

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third round. That's usually I think that's just Alvin Kamara.
There's been just four players. Four players in the last
six years that have made it to the Pro Bowl
were drafted fourth round or beyond. One of them was
the Cowboys Tony Poler moster it's in there, and then
Kyron Williams from the Rams a couple times in the
fifth round. That's it. Most of these are first and

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second rounders, and then just a couple in the third round.
So history kind of shows that now you can get
one thousand yard rushier and Rico Daddle, but you want
to get a game changing Pro Bowl type player that's
first or second round. That's a running back, and that's
probably at a lot of positions as well. Great show
Guys fifteen calls a lot of fun. Well, we'll do

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it again next week as well. So for Chris Beam,
I'm Nick eating See you next time on Cowboy Storyline.

Speaker 3 (01:20:04):
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