In episode 2 of the "Dawgs Only" podcast, Browns alumni Joe Haden and Assistant HC & Special Teams Coordinator Bubba Ventrone take a trip down memory lane when they played together with the Browns and share some wisdom on how to take advantage of your playing days while preparing for retirement.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, what's up.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
This is Bubba Van Tron, special teams coordinator with the
Cleveland Browns with the Dogs Only podcast Let's.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Go Baby, all the what's going on guys.
Speaker 4 (00:14):
Joe Hayden here along with Bubba ben Trom for the
second episode of Dogs Only Podcast. I was drafted twenty
ten to the Browns and you were already there, I
think going on your fifth or six year in Elite.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I had been in New England my first four years
I was. I came in the league a little bit
different than you did. I was undrafted, signing bonus of
one thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
What was your signing bonus?
Speaker 4 (00:41):
I had to sign a bonus of wapping twelve million dollars.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I wish I had the twelve But yeah, my first
four years I was in New England.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
I was undrafted, my first year was on practice squad.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Had the you know, opportunity to come here in two
thousand and nine. So I was going into my second
season with the Browns whenever we ended up draft to
drafting you.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
What was the seventh overall pick?
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Seventh overall pick? Yeah, that's sweet, Thank you twenty ten man,
Thank you boy. But twenty ten.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
I came in, first first round, seven pick overall me,
my boy TJ came in. And one big thing that
Eric Mangini made us for sure, dude, was we want
special teams.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Special teams.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
I mean I remember and I still show clips of
you know, you and TJ your rookie years and you
know circling this is Joe Hayden.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
This is Joe Hayden, that.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Gunner the first you know, five four or five games
of the season, blowing up guys, you know, blowing up returners,
TJ down, you know, making plays and penetrating on kickoff
and stuff. And it's great for our young players to
see that our first round pick can have an impact,
you know, in the kicking game and then obviously end
up being a.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Starter and you have to end up being a great
defensive player.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
I appreciate it, man.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
I think I think the biggest thing with that is
you have to it meant something, you know, anytime we
on the field, being a gun or being on the
special teams trying to make plays and uh, just you
we had the squad like you and your boys, what
was the what.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Was the crew like?
Speaker 1 (02:01):
We had?
Speaker 2 (02:02):
We had a really good group we were like, we're
definite number one in the league.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
We had I mean Cribs was a returner.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Oh, we had me you, TJ Blake, Stunt, Blake stands up,
Nick Sorens and Kalukamayav, Jason Truszneck, Mike Adams. Jeez, I
mean the list goes on and on. I mean we
had some dudes.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
It's really good. We had some talent for sure, for sure.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
So then so so let's say we met with that,
we played in a and when your career ended, I
was still ended up playing, But how did you end
up transitioning? Like That's kind of one of the things
I'm trying to figure out now. I've been out for
going on my second season, a little bit of just
like private investing, just trying to figure out where I
fit in.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
You know what I'm saying. I think I love love
being around.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Football still, But how did you did you kind of
already have it set in stone, like when you got
out what you're playing for?
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yeah, So, like I knew that I wanted to be
involved in football in some capacity. I was thinking about
maybe like personnel coaching. I wasn't really sure the avenue
that I wanted to take So when I left the
Brown after the twenty twelve season, I went to San
Francisco played two years there, so being in that division,
we played against Seattle a number of times in those
two seasons. And the Patriots were about to play this
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Seahawks in the Super Bowl, and Belichick hit me up
and we talked for a little while about Seattle, the
opponent that they were about to play in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Long story short.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
At the end of the conversation he knew it was
gonna be my last year in San Francisco and asked
if I would be interested in, you know, in coaching.
So once that game ended, once they beat Seattle, I
came in interviewed for the assistant head coach or the
assistant special teams position there because their coordinator was retiring,
and got the job, and man, I was I went
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from playing for the last ten years to like right
into coaching, like in February. It was crazy, I mean,
and and honestly like the time commitment it was, it
was wide. It is definitely definitely a big big change
for me as far as lifestyle.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Yeah, for sure, I can only imagine.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
I think we say, like the player schedule is tough,
but coaches schedules is completely different. Like what would you say,
like a day in a coach like a coaching's time
schedule will be Like I mean, it was.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
So different because you know, once the season ends, you
have no obligations as a play like true obligations, mandatory
obligations really until mandatory mini camp. Yes, everyone's gonna come
back for the off season program, but that's not even
until like the middle of April. Yeah, I mean coaching,
like you think you might get like a week and
a half after the season, and like you are hitting
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the ground running because you're getting right into the draft
free agency. Then you have to prep for your off
season program, OTA's mini camp. And while you're doing all that,
you have training camp you know in the you know
at the end of the tunnel that you're you're looking.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
At and you're playing for that. Yeah, so I mean
it's definitely it's a lot of work.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
And you know, I learned how to do my job
to the best of my ability because I had, you know,
a good foundation from Bill in New England.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
So all that's good stuff. So let's talk about some
fun times we had the Boves. Yeah, me and you you.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Had this thing, the Tips Tournament. Yes, you held at
your house annually yearly, and that was literally one of
the best times of my life when I was in
Cleveland for the off when we would just be able
to go there and have competitive basketball, shooting, kicking it
like just bonding with all of the friends and that
that was how long have you were you guys doing that?
And that thing was literally amazing.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
So what I did was we had this tournament just
so everyone can understand, like what this tournament is all about.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
So it's you have a partner, You're going against two
other players. It's a it's a.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Shooting and tipping tournament. Yes, and it's an NBA three
from the top of the key. If you miss it,
there's all a bunch of roles you have to tip
the ball and things like that. So anyway, so we
would do this game. I mean, we would do this
tournament and we used to do it to my parents house.
That's the first time you start star. We're at my
parents had a court in their backyard. It was really
like friends, family, teammates would all come together and we
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would do that and obviously Joe participated in it. We
had some good matchups. We'll talk about that here in
a second. And then it transitioned to my house in
Massachusetts and then uh into Indie. We were doing it,
but me and Joe went head the head quite a bit.
I mean, Joe, Joe can get up. He's got a
good he's got a good shot. I think I got
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the best of them a handful of times, and he
got the best of me a handful of times. I mean, Joe,
you could tell everyone who's the best straight ahead shooter
you've ever seen?
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Problem, probably gonna lie to you. You or Mickey ky
I straight on the three. Neither one of our teams
never ended up outside of the top three. No, we
either wanted.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
You and you had a good partner.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
He could shoot, and I had little figious little.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Fig from my brother's boy and uh another buddy of
mine bee Wait was my other partner.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
So now let's get into what about this team? Just
about like coaching here. Now, what do you think of
how do you think about how do you feel about
your special teams? First of all, how do you think
young A can do this year?
Speaker 3 (07:14):
We got a good group.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
We have a good group of specialists.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I'm excited to work with uh Kay York going into
his second season. Charlie Hewitt's been here, veteran snappers, smart,
understands protections and the intricacies of the position.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
And Corey Borquez, He's.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Got a He's got a heck of a leg lefty
that I'm really excited to work with. We've got explosive returners,
jackiem Grant, DPJ.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Special, and we got some we got some guys.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
We got some guys, and then and then the cores.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
You know.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
We acquired Matt Adams in free agency, so that will
be a good player for US. Mike Ford is a
really good gunner and penetrator for US. Uh and guys
that return. We end up signing Jordan Kanashik back who
had a lot of production last year. And then a
kid that I think is gonna have a big, big
year is Dan Anthony Bell. Anthony Bell's a stud. He
was undrafted as well out of West Florida. I actually
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really liked him. He was in an All Star Game.
Trying to think of the All Star Game he was in,
but he flashed in the All Star Game, made like
two tackles on kickoff.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
I'm like, I like that, dude. A lot.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
And then fortunately now that I'm here, I didn't get
to have him last year in Indy.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
I get to work with him now.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
All that's good stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
So yeah, excited about it. Talk to me about you.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
So you're talking You're transitioning obviously from being a player
and trying to figure out what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
You're living in California.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Yes, living in California full time. Now, I've been there.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
I was doing off seasons there since twenty sixteen, me
and my wife. So we thought about Miami, we thought
about Arizona, and then we went to California and it
was just beautiful. We never ever been like you never
kicked in California before before twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
I've seen some video. People have sent me some videos
of you training out there. Where were you training, because
it's pretty.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Intense, really really nice training facilities too. I met the
trainer through Odell Beckham Junior. His name was Mall Leggings Jilt.
Really good trainer. Najie Harris is out there right now.
We've had a couple of Jarvis Landry. He's just a
lot of good dudes and he does a lot of
good work. We trained at u c l A on
the field and then we do the beach at Santa Monica.
So it's a nice, nice little setup. We got a
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gym in West Hollywood, so it was really really cool.
But right now I'm just trying to figure out since
I retired, it's like, I.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Don't want to I love the game.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
I kind of wanted to just kind of get away
for a second, you know, just because being in it
every single day, waking up the grind and now kind
of having a family and being able to kind of
chill and relax and realize, like, what you did?
Speaker 2 (09:37):
You know what I'm saying, Yeah, I can definitely that
resonates with me. I feel like what I went from
playing right into coaching. I feel like I needed just
like I did. I feel like I needed some time
just to like just a chill, do anything. But the
opportunity was such a it's hard to come to that
position and like turn it down. Yeah, you just never know.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
I didn't I know at that point what I wanted
to do.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
And now that I'm seeing how guys are trying to
get into coaching and things like that, I'm definitely fortunate
that I had that opportunity when I was done.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Oh for sure.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
I think because the path that you hit above it
was it worked perfectly. And at the same time, you
it takes it. It takes the right kind of person
to be able to do it. You study tape, you
know film, you know how to evaluate talent too. You
can see dudes that know if they're good at doing
this or if they're like, got a little scared to
send them, you know what I'm saying, So you can
kind of you can tell that. So it takes a
good it takes the right person. And that was a
really good situation.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
And I think that's the thing about like coaching that
I love is you know, the process.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
I do love the process.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
I love, you know, obviously the start of the start
of the offseason you're with the draft and you're evaluating
talent and personnel, like I love. I love doing that
and I love being able to be involved in decision making.
And then obviously I love developing players and seeing players
grow and improve. And then you know, obviously the results
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show up. Oh for the games whenever you're making plays
and helping your team, you know, contribute to win. So yeah,
I've definitely taken I love, you know, a loving to coaching.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
So it's been good to this point, No, for sure.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
And the thing is, every time I come back into
the facilities you I'm like, I don't want to leave,
you know what I'm saying, Like I want to be around.
I want to go sit in meetings like I want
to look at the x's and nose. I want to
see what's going on. And it's like I don't want
to be tackling anybody right now, you know what I'm saying,
But I want to like be helping.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Like you said, like the process.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
The thing about it is too when you say you
can see the results when you see dudes like teams
that are making it on time, just the little stuff
like being on time, making sure that all the lifts
are right, making sure there's accountability all around, you could
see like a team growing like this, Oh yeah, this
is gonna be something special.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
We went down to West Virginia for the first eight
nights of training camp, and I felt like that was
a really good way to bring our team together.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
We do this.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Kevin does an incredible job of, you know, team building.
We do this thing it's called the four hs where
a player will get up in the in the front
of the room and he talks through his history, his
his history, his heroes, his heartbreaks, and then his hopes.
Everyone's kind of vulnerable and kind of open up. And
you know, I feel like that. I feel like being
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in West Virginia kind of brought our team together. It
feels like a team. It feels like everyone's holding each
other accountable. Right now, we know that we have a
lot of talent and we're excited for the season to
get going. You know, the best way, the best thing
to do is just play complimentary football. I think we'll
have a shot to be really good, so hopefully.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
We can keep it rolling.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
I like that.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
I think so too with Deshaun with a fresh year
and all the ball is its a lot.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
It takes talent to win.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
And you have that with the talent, then with them
being leaders and then keeping everybody accountable.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
And you know, I mean, you've been on championship teams,
You've been on good teams, and you know in Pittsburgh
and you know, you played on some good teams here
and obviously won a national championship in college, right did.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
You win one or one or one?
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Yes, you win win national championship in college and the
thing about the NFL that people probably don't understand as
much as like even the bad teams like or the
teams that don't have great records. Everybody has talent. Like
the NFL, there's so much parody. Everybody has talent. The
teams that obviously ascend and are in the playoffs every
year have great leadership, They come together, usually have good quarterbacks. Fortunately,
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we have a really good one. He's looked incredible to
this point. I mean he was, he was a set.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Offen and whenever we were in Indye, I mean, he
crushed us. He killed us. And I'm glad that he's
on our.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
On our side, right.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
That's normally with the team, Like you said, there's so
much parody. There's two to three plays, you know what
I'm saying, and they get the main guy to the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
He gets the ball every snap.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
So if he could change a couple of those plays
and being able to just make those first downs instead
of being able to turn over to anything like that
changes the games tremendously.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Kevin does a good job of, you know, coaching this situations.
You know, we try to do it obviously on the
defensive side of the ball, and then on teams is
and if your players understand how to handle those situations,
those are the critical moments in the games where games
are decided. Every game in the NFL, not every game,
but I mean most games are one score games. That's
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a possession, it's a decision, it's making a decision, making
a bad penalty, you know, just understanding how the game
needs to be played to win the game.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Yeah, that's going to help them out.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
I think the thing that a big thing with players
is they just don't understand like that it's going to
end at some point, you know, and that you need
to have a plan. You see so many guys that
are that struggle because they don't know what to do.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
There's a lot of people here that are really like
in the facility that I help you out for anything
that you want to plan on doing after the home.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Really really good to get in touch.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
With those people, because I'm getting in touch with them
now and they're they're locked in. They want they want
to help, they want to help us be ready to
get out of the thing because a lot of dudes
are out you know. You know what I'm saying, Like
you don't have a plane plan, deal with the money
stuff too, Like you go, like not we should people go, bro,
if you made five million dollars in five years, you
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touch five hundred thousand dollars a year, you're living like
you're making a million dollars, You're gonna know, well, you.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Didn't save anything.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
You don't have any money, So like like that is
just it doesn't sound like it makes sense. But for
the for the players, like start locking in like this.
Every year you're in the NFL, you're hitting the lottery.
Stack that up prepared so when you're done with the
league in the next say four or five six years,
you can sit back with a nut nugget and be
able to do what you want to do. While you're
doing this spending and all, it's gonna be gone and
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then you're looking like you're looking nuts.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
And like you said, there's so many there's so many
resources readily available for you as a current player to use, yeah,
in your building from the league, like you were talking
about the boot camps and stuff like guys need to
they need to do that, they need to apply themselves
to to you know, take that initiative to be prepared
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for when it is over, because anything can happen I mean,
you know how this game is. I mean there's guys
that are drafted in the first second round that don't last.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Long at all, you know, sure, And I think the
thing is too like you got to be okay to
It's okay to not know everything. It's okay to ask
for help, it's okay to ask people for just what
they were doing. Asks older vets like what what are
their plans? How how do they see theirself when they retire.
I think it's just a vulnerability thing sometimes with a
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lot of dudes, like they just don't want to really
ask for help or don't want to act like they
act like they already have everything kind of plan because
when you're in the league, when you're playing, you're not
really like, this is what you do. We're the best
in the world what we do. Not best in the
world to manage the money or being able to plan
for what you're not doing when you're not playing football,
you know what I'm saying. Most of dudes are a
lot of dudes of football players, and that's fine and dandy,
but when you get into the NFL, it's a business
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and you can be done really quick and getting this
type of money to play a game that you love,
set yourself up, making sure that you save that because
it's the lottery every single year. That's how I kind
of wanted the dudes to look at it, like being
able to stack that up so when you're done, you
can be able to kind of do what you want
to do, move how you want to do. Take your
time to figure out what you want to do, or
while you're in it. It's a long off season. You
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can train, it's twenty four hours in the day. There's
no reason why you can't be figuring out other things.
Work out in the morning, then grind and see like
what are your passions, what are you really interested in doing?
Speaker 2 (17:26):
That's really the that's really the time to get all
that stuff done.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
I feel it's like there's so much time.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
I mean, you know how it is, there's so much
time once the season's over until you have to come
back for OTAs or you know, yeah, the season prog
Anuary to mid April. There's so much time you need
to train, you know, be in shape. But then they're
I mean to be able to take that next step
and you know, prepare yourself for the rest of your life.
Is it's important I mean honestly, like I got lucky
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that I got lucky that I had an opportunity right away,
because I really don't know what I would have done
if I didn't have that chance right away to get
into coaching, you know, that's honest though a lot of
people don't.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
And it's okay, you know what I'm saying, But like
being able to be who you were being in those
situations taking that opportunity for sure, but telling people for sure,
trying to plan on it is.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
And I think a lot of it too, is like
having like like a lot of players probably don't realize that,
like all the relationships that you make right are gonna
could potentially give you opportunities down the road.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Obviously. Literally, I played in New England.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
I was an undrafted practice squad player in my first
year in the league, played every single position like literally
like when every day like it was the last day
I was going to be signed. And Bill just I
think he just gravitated towards my work ethic. You know,
he knew that I was gonna put everything I could
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into coaching like I did into playing. Yeah, And I mean, honestly,
I lucked out. I was fortunate after three years getting
an opportunity to be a coordinator after that, to come
here as a coordinator, I'm just I'm pumped up. I'm
blessed to really have an opportunity to be back here
in Cleveland for a really good team and fan base
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and ready to get rocking.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
I'm so happy for you to know because at the
same time, like you said, it's you said, you got
you lucked up to it. But you could have went
to New England and been not a good worker, not
a hard worker. You had to put that work in.
You had to. Bill had to take likening in you
because he saw something in you. He saw that you
were intelligent, he saw you wanted to were willing to
do anything to grind and get that spot, you know
what I'm saying. So I think just people relationships, building
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good relationships, impressions on people they last, and making sure
that you just put your best foot forward as much
as you can, because like you said, the relationships the
people that you know, Like I said, my my thing,
I have good relationships with like around Cleveland, Dan Gilbert
stock X. Being able to people that you know, they
really can put you in situations to bless you.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Your family, and.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
It's because they took a lo to me, you know
what I'm saying, Like he didn't have to do certain
things same way certain people don't. But it's just the
goodness of being able to be a good person. So
I tell you that you deserve it, honestly, bubb you didn't.
That didn't happen for no reason for show.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Yeah, And then I mean, you know, so I'm in
I'm in New England with Bill Manginie, who is my
position coach. And not even like after football, Like in football,
I came to Cleveland because man Genie was here with
Ceily who coached me in New England.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Then Cely goes to.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
San Francisco and I go to San Francisco for my
last two years.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
So you know, it's you just you.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Just never know, you know how how things are going
to shake out, and you know, in the in the football,
it's it is, there's so much uncertainty as a player,
you just especially a back end roster player.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
I mean, Joe, you were like you were the guy.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I mean, you were the man you really were, I mean,
and it was it was it was exciting for me
to see you even when you left Tierny went to Pittsburgh.
I know we like no one here likes Pittsburgh from Pittsburgh,
Like I don't like.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
The Steelers at all obviously.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Yeah, sure, but you just I knew that you would you,
you would succeed and do well.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
And you know, I feel like you're like my little brother,
but not really.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
No, for sure.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
It's just always been love, man, always, and you can
tell the genuineness like happiness.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
You're happy for me.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
I'm legitimately happy for you just the way that life,
life is bro and being able to just tell people
how stories and being able to be like this was
my teammate. It was a first round pick, did my thing,
and when I got there, looked up to you because
just the way you were professional, like the way you
just carried yourself, did your job.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
You know what I'm saying that it was it was legit.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
We took a lot of pride in, you know, in
our team.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
We actually we had a pretty good defense and we
are obviously really good on teams.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
I like that I can show your film to my
players and I liked it.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Whenever you're here, they see me interact with you, because look,
you're like a in Cleveland. You're like the man. I mean,
everybody loves Joe Hayden. I heard it the at the
Joe Thomas party. You show up and it's like everyone
gravitates towards you, and it's like no surprise because you're
such a good dude and good person and great teammate
and you know, good family. Man.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Now, how many how many kids do you have?
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Kids?
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Bro?
Speaker 1 (22:16):
It's crazy?
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Yeah, yes, little Jet.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
My kids are freaking getting so big. Ava is fourteen,
l Is twelve, Majors.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Nine, fourteen.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
She's going into high school.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Dude, Oh my, she's going into high school. One. That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
All my kids got the got the speed, Jean. So
that's good.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
They can all track the little soccer.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Yeah, they can all run. Ava can run, Ella can run.
Major can run. I think Major is going to be
like Brian r. Lacker. He's going to be a beast.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Like he's at linebacker.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
He's a freak and he can fly.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
He cat away. Geta bro.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Yeah, how old are your kids?
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Six and four? Six and four? I got my guys.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
My younger, my four year old son, he's football, he's football.
My six year old son is golf. So yeah, yeah, man,
I'm trying to get him down into it early, trying
to get it.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
He's pretty good too. My six show is getting pretty good.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
My son, my son just started taking golf lesson or.
He's at a golf camp this week.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
See that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Yeah, club, he's in football. He's gonna play hoops this year.
He does lacross, and he just started doing some golf.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Okay, yeah, Joey my oldest. He does. He does golf
and basketball. Those are his two things. That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
I'm sure he'll play football too.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
I know he will too. He plays quarterback. He does
a little quarterback. But I'm just saying, like it's two
big quarterback. Didn't you Oh, I played quarterback for short.
Didn't you go to Florida? I went to Florida as
a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Bro.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
If it wasn't for Cam and t bow out have
been starting. Actually been got some time, but it all
worked out. I had to switch me over the corner.
I did know that, Yes, yes, yes, it all worked
out though.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
But it's been so per real, bro, I know you
got to get ready for some practice today.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
You're out there training camp, coaching it up.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Yeah, we're we're getting ready for the Commanders and hopefully
we can get out there and make some plays this week.
You're gonna see my guys flying around, so excited for that.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
It was really good to see you.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Yeah, man, I'm looking forward to hopefully you being around
more in Cleveland and everyone getting to know you even
better around here for sure.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
But I feel I feel the love when I come back, man,
So I'm gonna be back a whole lot more often.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Yeah, sow good seeing you, bubs.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
You too, my man, my god.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
All all of walking, Payton was a warrior running with
bees and rookies couldn't hope the wad up in one
of his Greek as a creek through the zone.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
I am known as a monster, the new Larry.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
Zarka ball and Hall going BNX and somebody need the
answer trying to stop Barry Sanders and Shunks in the game.
You Justice Salamander never had the boundary running through Yell Town,
keep your head up and rush. We looked like Jim Brown.
Hey, what's up.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
This is Bubba Van Tron, special teams coordinator with the
Cleveland Browns with the Dogs Only podcast Let's.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Go Baby, all the what's going on guys.
Speaker 4 (00:14):
Joe Hayden here along with Bubba ben Trom for the
second episode of Dogs Only Podcast. I was drafted twenty
ten to the Browns and you were already there, I
think going on your fifth or six year in Elite.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I had been in New England my first four years
I was. I came in the league a little bit
different than you did. I was undrafted, signing bonus of
one thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
What was your signing bonus?
Speaker 4 (00:41):
I had to sign a bonus of wapping twelve million dollars.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I wish I had the twelve But yeah, my first
four years I was in New England.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
I was undrafted, my first year was on practice squad.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Had the you know, opportunity to come here in two
thousand and nine. So I was going into my second
season with the Browns whenever we ended up draft to
drafting you.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
What was the seventh overall pick?
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Seventh overall pick? Yeah, that's sweet, Thank you twenty ten man,
Thank you boy. But twenty ten.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
I came in, first first round, seven pick overall me,
my boy TJ came in. And one big thing that
Eric Mangini made us for sure, dude, was we want
special teams.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Special teams.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
I mean I remember and I still show clips of
you know, you and TJ your rookie years and you
know circling this is Joe Hayden.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
This is Joe Hayden, that.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Gunner the first you know, five four or five games
of the season, blowing up guys, you know, blowing up returners,
TJ down, you know, making plays and penetrating on kickoff
and stuff. And it's great for our young players to
see that our first round pick can have an impact,
you know, in the kicking game and then obviously end
up being a.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Starter and you have to end up being a great
defensive player.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
I appreciate it, man.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
I think I think the biggest thing with that is
you have to it meant something, you know, anytime we
on the field, being a gun or being on the
special teams trying to make plays and uh, just you
we had the squad like you and your boys, what
was the what.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Was the crew like?
Speaker 1 (02:01):
We had?
Speaker 2 (02:02):
We had a really good group we were like, we're
definite number one in the league.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
We had I mean Cribs was a returner.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Oh, we had me you, TJ Blake, Stunt, Blake stands up,
Nick Sorens and Kalukamayav, Jason Truszneck, Mike Adams. Jeez, I
mean the list goes on and on. I mean we
had some dudes.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
It's really good. We had some talent for sure, for sure.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
So then so so let's say we met with that,
we played in a and when your career ended, I
was still ended up playing, But how did you end
up transitioning? Like That's kind of one of the things
I'm trying to figure out now. I've been out for
going on my second season, a little bit of just
like private investing, just trying to figure out where I
fit in.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
You know what I'm saying. I think I love love
being around.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Football still, But how did you did you kind of
already have it set in stone, like when you got
out what you're playing for?
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yeah, So, like I knew that I wanted to be
involved in football in some capacity. I was thinking about
maybe like personnel coaching. I wasn't really sure the avenue
that I wanted to take So when I left the
Brown after the twenty twelve season, I went to San
Francisco played two years there, so being in that division,
we played against Seattle a number of times in those
two seasons. And the Patriots were about to play this
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Seahawks in the Super Bowl, and Belichick hit me up
and we talked for a little while about Seattle, the
opponent that they were about to play in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Long story short.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
At the end of the conversation he knew it was
gonna be my last year in San Francisco and asked
if I would be interested in, you know, in coaching.
So once that game ended, once they beat Seattle, I
came in interviewed for the assistant head coach or the
assistant special teams position there because their coordinator was retiring,
and got the job, and man, I was I went
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from playing for the last ten years to like right
into coaching, like in February. It was crazy, I mean,
and and honestly like the time commitment it was, it
was wide. It is definitely definitely a big big change
for me as far as lifestyle.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Yeah, for sure, I can only imagine.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
I think we say, like the player schedule is tough,
but coaches schedules is completely different. Like what would you say,
like a day in a coach like a coaching's time
schedule will be Like I mean, it was.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
So different because you know, once the season ends, you
have no obligations as a play like true obligations, mandatory
obligations really until mandatory mini camp. Yes, everyone's gonna come
back for the off season program, but that's not even
until like the middle of April. Yeah, I mean coaching,
like you think you might get like a week and
a half after the season, and like you are hitting
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the ground running because you're getting right into the draft
free agency. Then you have to prep for your off
season program, OTA's mini camp. And while you're doing all that,
you have training camp you know in the you know
at the end of the tunnel that you're you're looking.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
At and you're playing for that. Yeah, so I mean
it's definitely it's a lot of work.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
And you know, I learned how to do my job
to the best of my ability because I had, you know,
a good foundation from Bill in New England.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
So all that's good stuff. So let's talk about some
fun times we had the Boves. Yeah, me and you you.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Had this thing, the Tips Tournament. Yes, you held at
your house annually yearly, and that was literally one of
the best times of my life when I was in
Cleveland for the off when we would just be able
to go there and have competitive basketball, shooting, kicking it
like just bonding with all of the friends and that
that was how long have you were you guys doing that?
And that thing was literally amazing.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
So what I did was we had this tournament just
so everyone can understand, like what this tournament is all about.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
So it's you have a partner, You're going against two
other players. It's a it's a.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Shooting and tipping tournament. Yes, and it's an NBA three
from the top of the key. If you miss it,
there's all a bunch of roles you have to tip
the ball and things like that. So anyway, so we
would do this game. I mean, we would do this
tournament and we used to do it to my parents house.
That's the first time you start star. We're at my
parents had a court in their backyard. It was really
like friends, family, teammates would all come together and we
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would do that and obviously Joe participated in it. We
had some good matchups. We'll talk about that here in
a second. And then it transitioned to my house in
Massachusetts and then uh into Indie. We were doing it,
but me and Joe went head the head quite a bit.
I mean, Joe, Joe can get up. He's got a
good he's got a good shot. I think I got
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the best of them a handful of times, and he
got the best of me a handful of times. I mean, Joe,
you could tell everyone who's the best straight ahead shooter
you've ever seen?
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Problem, probably gonna lie to you. You or Mickey ky
I straight on the three. Neither one of our teams
never ended up outside of the top three. No, we
either wanted.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
You and you had a good partner.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
He could shoot, and I had little figious little.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Fig from my brother's boy and uh another buddy of
mine bee Wait was my other partner.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
So now let's get into what about this team? Just
about like coaching here. Now, what do you think of
how do you think about how do you feel about
your special teams? First of all, how do you think
young A can do this year?
Speaker 3 (07:14):
We got a good group.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
We have a good group of specialists.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I'm excited to work with uh Kay York going into
his second season. Charlie Hewitt's been here, veteran snappers, smart,
understands protections and the intricacies of the position.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
And Corey Borquez, He's.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Got a He's got a heck of a leg lefty
that I'm really excited to work with. We've got explosive returners,
jackiem Grant, DPJ.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Special, and we got some we got some guys.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
We got some guys, and then and then the cores.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
You know.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
We acquired Matt Adams in free agency, so that will
be a good player for US. Mike Ford is a
really good gunner and penetrator for US. Uh and guys
that return. We end up signing Jordan Kanashik back who
had a lot of production last year. And then a
kid that I think is gonna have a big, big
year is Dan Anthony Bell. Anthony Bell's a stud. He
was undrafted as well out of West Florida. I actually
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really liked him. He was in an All Star Game.
Trying to think of the All Star Game he was in,
but he flashed in the All Star Game, made like
two tackles on kickoff.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
I'm like, I like that, dude. A lot.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
And then fortunately now that I'm here, I didn't get
to have him last year in Indy.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
I get to work with him now.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
All that's good stuff.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
So yeah, excited about it. Talk to me about you.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
So you're talking You're transitioning obviously from being a player
and trying to figure out what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
You're living in California.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Yes, living in California full time. Now, I've been there.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
I was doing off seasons there since twenty sixteen, me
and my wife. So we thought about Miami, we thought
about Arizona, and then we went to California and it
was just beautiful. We never ever been like you never
kicked in California before before twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
I've seen some video. People have sent me some videos
of you training out there. Where were you training, because
it's pretty.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Intense, really really nice training facilities too. I met the
trainer through Odell Beckham Junior. His name was Mall Leggings Jilt.
Really good trainer. Najie Harris is out there right now.
We've had a couple of Jarvis Landry. He's just a
lot of good dudes and he does a lot of
good work. We trained at u c l A on
the field and then we do the beach at Santa Monica.
So it's a nice, nice little setup. We got a
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gym in West Hollywood, so it was really really cool.
But right now I'm just trying to figure out since
I retired, it's like, I.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Don't want to I love the game.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
I kind of wanted to just kind of get away
for a second, you know, just because being in it
every single day, waking up the grind and now kind
of having a family and being able to kind of
chill and relax and realize, like, what you did?
Speaker 2 (09:37):
You know what I'm saying, Yeah, I can definitely that
resonates with me. I feel like what I went from
playing right into coaching. I feel like I needed just
like I did. I feel like I needed some time
just to like just a chill, do anything. But the
opportunity was such a it's hard to come to that
position and like turn it down. Yeah, you just never know.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
I didn't I know at that point what I wanted
to do.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
And now that I'm seeing how guys are trying to
get into coaching and things like that, I'm definitely fortunate
that I had that opportunity when I was done.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Oh for sure.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
I think because the path that you hit above it
was it worked perfectly. And at the same time, you
it takes it. It takes the right kind of person
to be able to do it. You study tape, you
know film, you know how to evaluate talent too. You
can see dudes that know if they're good at doing
this or if they're like, got a little scared to
send them, you know what I'm saying, So you can
kind of you can tell that. So it takes a
good it takes the right person. And that was a
really good situation.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
And I think that's the thing about like coaching that
I love is you know, the process.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
I do love the process.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
I love, you know, obviously the start of the start
of the offseason you're with the draft and you're evaluating
talent and personnel, like I love. I love doing that
and I love being able to be involved in decision making.
And then obviously I love developing players and seeing players
grow and improve. And then you know, obviously the results
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show up. Oh for the games whenever you're making plays
and helping your team, you know, contribute to win. So yeah,
I've definitely taken I love, you know, a loving to coaching.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
So it's been good to this point, No, for sure.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
And the thing is, every time I come back into
the facilities you I'm like, I don't want to leave,
you know what I'm saying, Like I want to be around.
I want to go sit in meetings like I want
to look at the x's and nose. I want to
see what's going on. And it's like I don't want
to be tackling anybody right now, you know what I'm saying,
But I want to like be helping.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Like you said, like the process.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
The thing about it is too when you say you
can see the results when you see dudes like teams
that are making it on time, just the little stuff
like being on time, making sure that all the lifts
are right, making sure there's accountability all around, you could
see like a team growing like this, Oh yeah, this
is gonna be something special.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
We went down to West Virginia for the first eight
nights of training camp, and I felt like that was
a really good way to bring our team together.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
We do this.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Kevin does an incredible job of, you know, team building.
We do this thing it's called the four hs where
a player will get up in the in the front
of the room and he talks through his history, his
his history, his heroes, his heartbreaks, and then his hopes.
Everyone's kind of vulnerable and kind of open up. And
you know, I feel like that. I feel like being
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in West Virginia kind of brought our team together. It
feels like a team. It feels like everyone's holding each
other accountable. Right now, we know that we have a
lot of talent and we're excited for the season to
get going. You know, the best way, the best thing
to do is just play complimentary football. I think we'll
have a shot to be really good, so hopefully.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
We can keep it rolling.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
I like that.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
I think so too with Deshaun with a fresh year
and all the ball is its a lot.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
It takes talent to win.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
And you have that with the talent, then with them
being leaders and then keeping everybody accountable.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
And you know, I mean, you've been on championship teams,
You've been on good teams, and you know in Pittsburgh
and you know, you played on some good teams here
and obviously won a national championship in college, right did.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
You win one or one or one?
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Yes, you win win national championship in college and the
thing about the NFL that people probably don't understand as
much as like even the bad teams like or the
teams that don't have great records. Everybody has talent. Like
the NFL, there's so much parody. Everybody has talent. The
teams that obviously ascend and are in the playoffs every
year have great leadership, They come together, usually have good quarterbacks. Fortunately,
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we have a really good one. He's looked incredible to
this point. I mean he was, he was a set.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Offen and whenever we were in Indye, I mean, he
crushed us. He killed us. And I'm glad that he's
on our.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
On our side, right.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
That's normally with the team, Like you said, there's so
much parody. There's two to three plays, you know what
I'm saying, and they get the main guy to the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
He gets the ball every snap.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
So if he could change a couple of those plays
and being able to just make those first downs instead
of being able to turn over to anything like that
changes the games tremendously.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Kevin does a good job of, you know, coaching this situations.
You know, we try to do it obviously on the
defensive side of the ball, and then on teams is
and if your players understand how to handle those situations,
those are the critical moments in the games where games
are decided. Every game in the NFL, not every game,
but I mean most games are one score games. That's
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a possession, it's a decision, it's making a decision, making
a bad penalty, you know, just understanding how the game
needs to be played to win the game.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Yeah, that's going to help them out.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
I think the thing that a big thing with players
is they just don't understand like that it's going to
end at some point, you know, and that you need
to have a plan. You see so many guys that
are that struggle because they don't know what to do.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
There's a lot of people here that are really like
in the facility that I help you out for anything
that you want to plan on doing after the home.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Really really good to get in touch.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
With those people, because I'm getting in touch with them
now and they're they're locked in. They want they want
to help, they want to help us be ready to
get out of the thing because a lot of dudes
are out you know. You know what I'm saying, Like
you don't have a plane plan, deal with the money
stuff too, Like you go, like not we should people go, bro,
if you made five million dollars in five years, you
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touch five hundred thousand dollars a year, you're living like
you're making a million dollars, You're gonna know, well, you.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Didn't save anything.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
You don't have any money, So like like that is
just it doesn't sound like it makes sense. But for
the for the players, like start locking in like this.
Every year you're in the NFL, you're hitting the lottery.
Stack that up prepared so when you're done with the
league in the next say four or five six years,
you can sit back with a nut nugget and be
able to do what you want to do. While you're
doing this spending and all, it's gonna be gone and
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then you're looking like you're looking nuts.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
And like you said, there's so many there's so many
resources readily available for you as a current player to use, yeah,
in your building from the league, like you were talking
about the boot camps and stuff like guys need to
they need to do that, they need to apply themselves
to to you know, take that initiative to be prepared
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for when it is over, because anything can happen I mean,
you know how this game is. I mean there's guys
that are drafted in the first second round that don't last.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Long at all, you know, sure, And I think the
thing is too like you got to be okay to
It's okay to not know everything. It's okay to ask
for help, it's okay to ask people for just what
they were doing. Asks older vets like what what are
their plans? How how do they see theirself when they retire.
I think it's just a vulnerability thing sometimes with a
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lot of dudes, like they just don't want to really
ask for help or don't want to act like they
act like they already have everything kind of plan because
when you're in the league, when you're playing, you're not
really like, this is what you do. We're the best
in the world what we do. Not best in the
world to manage the money or being able to plan
for what you're not doing when you're not playing football,
you know what I'm saying. Most of dudes are a
lot of dudes of football players, and that's fine and dandy,
but when you get into the NFL, it's a business
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and you can be done really quick and getting this
type of money to play a game that you love,
set yourself up, making sure that you save that because
it's the lottery every single year. That's how I kind
of wanted the dudes to look at it, like being
able to stack that up so when you're done, you
can be able to kind of do what you want
to do, move how you want to do. Take your
time to figure out what you want to do, or
while you're in it. It's a long off season. You
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can train, it's twenty four hours in the day. There's
no reason why you can't be figuring out other things.
Work out in the morning, then grind and see like
what are your passions, what are you really interested in doing?
Speaker 2 (17:26):
That's really the that's really the time to get all
that stuff done.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
I feel it's like there's so much time.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
I mean, you know how it is, there's so much
time once the season's over until you have to come
back for OTAs or you know, yeah, the season prog
Anuary to mid April. There's so much time you need
to train, you know, be in shape. But then they're
I mean to be able to take that next step
and you know, prepare yourself for the rest of your life.
Is it's important I mean honestly, like I got lucky
(17:55):
that I got lucky that I had an opportunity right away,
because I really don't know what I would have done
if I didn't have that chance right away to get
into coaching, you know, that's honest though a lot of
people don't.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
And it's okay, you know what I'm saying, But like
being able to be who you were being in those
situations taking that opportunity for sure, but telling people for sure,
trying to plan on it is.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
And I think a lot of it too, is like
having like like a lot of players probably don't realize that,
like all the relationships that you make right are gonna
could potentially give you opportunities down the road.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Obviously. Literally, I played in New England.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
I was an undrafted practice squad player in my first
year in the league, played every single position like literally
like when every day like it was the last day
I was going to be signed. And Bill just I
think he just gravitated towards my work ethic. You know,
he knew that I was gonna put everything I could
(18:52):
into coaching like I did into playing. Yeah, And I mean, honestly,
I lucked out. I was fortunate after three years getting
an opportunity to be a coordinator after that, to come
here as a coordinator, I'm just I'm pumped up. I'm
blessed to really have an opportunity to be back here
in Cleveland for a really good team and fan base
(19:14):
and ready to get rocking.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
I'm so happy for you to know because at the
same time, like you said, it's you said, you got
you lucked up to it. But you could have went
to New England and been not a good worker, not
a hard worker. You had to put that work in.
You had to. Bill had to take likening in you
because he saw something in you. He saw that you
were intelligent, he saw you wanted to were willing to
do anything to grind and get that spot, you know
what I'm saying. So I think just people relationships, building
(19:38):
good relationships, impressions on people they last, and making sure
that you just put your best foot forward as much
as you can, because like you said, the relationships the
people that you know, Like I said, my my thing,
I have good relationships with like around Cleveland, Dan Gilbert
stock X. Being able to people that you know, they
really can put you in situations to bless you.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Your family, and.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
It's because they took a lo to me, you know
what I'm saying, Like he didn't have to do certain
things same way certain people don't. But it's just the
goodness of being able to be a good person. So
I tell you that you deserve it, honestly, bubb you didn't.
That didn't happen for no reason for show.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Yeah, And then I mean, you know, so I'm in
I'm in New England with Bill Manginie, who is my
position coach. And not even like after football, Like in football,
I came to Cleveland because man Genie was here with
Ceily who coached me in New England.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Then Cely goes to.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
San Francisco and I go to San Francisco for my
last two years.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
So you know, it's you just you.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Just never know, you know how how things are going
to shake out, and you know, in the in the football,
it's it is, there's so much uncertainty as a player,
you just especially a back end roster player.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
I mean, Joe, you were like you were the guy.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I mean, you were the man you really were, I mean,
and it was it was it was exciting for me
to see you even when you left Tierny went to Pittsburgh.
I know we like no one here likes Pittsburgh from Pittsburgh,
Like I don't like.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
The Steelers at all obviously.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Yeah, sure, but you just I knew that you would you,
you would succeed and do well.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
And you know, I feel like you're like my little brother,
but not really.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
No, for sure.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
It's just always been love, man, always, and you can
tell the genuineness like happiness.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
You're happy for me.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
I'm legitimately happy for you just the way that life,
life is bro and being able to just tell people
how stories and being able to be like this was
my teammate. It was a first round pick, did my thing,
and when I got there, looked up to you because
just the way you were professional, like the way you
just carried yourself, did your job.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
You know what I'm saying that it was it was legit.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
We took a lot of pride in, you know, in
our team.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
We actually we had a pretty good defense and we
are obviously really good on teams.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
I like that I can show your film to my
players and I liked it.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Whenever you're here, they see me interact with you, because look,
you're like a in Cleveland. You're like the man. I mean,
everybody loves Joe Hayden. I heard it the at the
Joe Thomas party. You show up and it's like everyone
gravitates towards you, and it's like no surprise because you're
such a good dude and good person and great teammate
and you know, good family. Man.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Now, how many how many kids do you have?
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Kids?
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Bro?
Speaker 1 (22:16):
It's crazy?
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Yeah, yes, little Jet.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
My kids are freaking getting so big. Ava is fourteen,
l Is twelve, Majors.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Nine, fourteen.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
She's going into high school.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Dude, Oh my, she's going into high school. One. That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
All my kids got the got the speed, Jean. So
that's good.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
They can all track the little soccer.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Yeah, they can all run. Ava can run, Ella can run.
Major can run. I think Major is going to be
like Brian r. Lacker. He's going to be a beast.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Like he's at linebacker.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
He's a freak and he can fly.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
He cat away. Geta bro.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Yeah, how old are your kids?
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Six and four? Six and four? I got my guys.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
My younger, my four year old son, he's football, he's football.
My six year old son is golf. So yeah, yeah, man,
I'm trying to get him down into it early, trying
to get it.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
He's pretty good too. My six show is getting pretty good.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
My son, my son just started taking golf lesson or.
He's at a golf camp this week.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
See that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Yeah, club, he's in football. He's gonna play hoops this year.
He does lacross, and he just started doing some golf.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Okay, yeah, Joey my oldest. He does. He does golf
and basketball. Those are his two things. That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
I'm sure he'll play football too.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
I know he will too. He plays quarterback. He does
a little quarterback. But I'm just saying, like it's two
big quarterback. Didn't you Oh, I played quarterback for short.
Didn't you go to Florida? I went to Florida as
a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Bro.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
If it wasn't for Cam and t bow out have
been starting. Actually been got some time, but it all
worked out. I had to switch me over the corner.
I did know that, Yes, yes, yes, it all worked
out though.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
But it's been so per real, bro, I know you
got to get ready for some practice today.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
You're out there training camp, coaching it up.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Yeah, we're we're getting ready for the Commanders and hopefully
we can get out there and make some plays this week.
You're gonna see my guys flying around, so excited for that.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
It was really good to see you.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Yeah, man, I'm looking forward to hopefully you being around
more in Cleveland and everyone getting to know you even
better around here for sure.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
But I feel I feel the love when I come back, man,
So I'm gonna be back a whole lot more often.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Yeah, sow good seeing you, bubs.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
You too, my man, my god.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
All all of walking, Payton was a warrior running with
bees and rookies couldn't hope the wad up in one
of his Greek as a creek through the zone.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
I am known as a monster, the new Larry.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
Zarka ball and Hall going BNX and somebody need the
answer trying to stop Barry Sanders and Shunks in the game.
You Justice Salamander never had the boundary running through Yell Town,
keep your head up and rush. We looked like Jim Brown.
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