August 30, 2023 • 36 mins
Joe Thomas jumps on the mic with Joel Bitonio and Wyatt Teller to talk about their surprising athleticism in high school, playing under Coach Callahan and Scott Peters, and their love of food
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, what's up everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
This is Joe Thomas, your Hall of Fame left tackle
from the Cleveland Browns, and this is the Dog's Only Podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Today.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
I'm gonna be talking to Wyatt Teller and Joel Buttonio,
the world's favorite offensive guards in all Pro football. The
cool Well, let's just keep talking about it as on
as we're rolling. We're good because that's what all fat
guys want to talk about.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
We were excited for it all day.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Yeah really look Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
So one of my favorite things when I was playing
on the Old line was the amazing.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Dinners that we've come together and have. And when I
was a rookie, it was like every week.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
But then as you get old and you have kids
and stuff, it's not as frequent because mama wants you
home to help with the kiddos. But one of the
cool things about coming out here for going practices for
you guys is you get a chance to get together.
You get a little bit more free time maybe than
you do when you were in Borea for training camp.
So you guys had a good Old Line dinner last night.
What were the highlights.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Yeah, we went to del for Goes Double Eagle, which
it kind of gave me morble room boties if you like,
we're in a vault down there. They took care of us,
you know. A seal steakhouse. They had a lot of
good things on the menu, but they had these Philly
cheese steak dumplings that were for not all I was
dreaming about. I looked at the menu and I was like,
you know, fat guy thing like just like two days out,
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I'm looking at the menu, what I'm gonna order for
dinner in two days you know, Like I saw those,
I'm like, we need to order. I think those were great.
And a buttercake at them the night A butter Yeah,
I love going for those buttercakes. Like at the end
of a nice steakhouse.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Dinner, you don't want it, you don't need it, You're
you're already in a lot of pain, with a lot
of indigestion, but you can't say no.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
It is something so tasty.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Yeah, there were some some really good steaks there, Joey.
It was. It was a good time and was a
good time just hanging out with the with the boys,
and like you said, we get away for a little
bit so we all get to be together and it's.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Nice So as much as you guys like to eat
and you're good chefs, you're also good athletes. And I
don't think our guards on the Browns get enough credit
for the type of ath into our You were second
at the combine. I think among all offensive linemen with
the broad jump. You had a great combine showing off
your athleticism with the three cone drill, and you've been
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doing that in your entire career. Joel, there's a little
birdie that told me you may have won a game
of knockout down here in Philadelphia when coach Stefanski took
you guys all over the University of Penn.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
I think this week, we're still.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Down here at Philly right now during the joint practice
is getting ready for the game. So tell us a
little bit about what happened that allowed you to beat
the entire Browns team in a game of knockout.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Well, we were I was kind of shooting on the side,
like I didn't know how intense it was going to get,
so I was warming up a little bit, and then
I jumped in into the games and I was like,
all right, like my competitive juice is start rolling. My
flashbacks to high school, Like fifty pounds lighter, you know,
a little bit more nimble. So I didn't win the
first two games. And then I was in it and
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I started making some shots. You know, I think knockout
the key is how quick you can to hustle for
the rebound, huh. You know, so I was getting the
hustle rebound, lay up, put back. You know, Miles was
out there like wasting his energy trying to like pretend
dunk you know every time we Yeah, I was like,
I'm like touching the backboard, you know what I mean,
But get my giving my layups in And honestly, I
probably should have lost. I was, you know, I was
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the first shooter with the last two guys, but he
just kept missing his shot. So I finally got the
ball back one time and it hit one of the
top of the top of the key. I was honestly,
I was just pumped. I put on for the big ones,
you know, like, oh, I'm stuff. But we had to
win in there, you know. So I had some flashbacks
to some high school basketball days there.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
And you were a great high school basketball player. Fourteen
points and twelve rebounds, I believe was the average.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
No big deal. I mean that's solid. Yeah level. Yeah, yeah,
I was a double double guy. We played in the
competitive competitive league. I you know, I we had better
players on our team.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I was.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
I just tried to do my you know, rebound off
its rebound, some post moves, some kickouts, you know, repost
all that fun stuff. But I played basketball, travel basketball,
you know, from like fifth grade really through high school,
you know, so I loved it. And then I went
to Nationals I think when I was like twelve or thirteen,
and I realized like, I'm probably not gonna play back. Yeah.
I realized that I'm not seven feet tall run like
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a Yeah. So I was like, I'll be about all dude.
In high schools, I really enjoyed playing basketball, but you know,
I knew football is probably my calling to keep playing sports.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
What age did you realize that it was going to
be football not basketball.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
I honestly think probably I probably still had a glimmer
of hope before I went to high school. But I
think once I got to high school, I was like,
all right, like I'm like a five eleven, you know,
Saturday on the freshman basketball team, So this is probably
not gonna go down unless I grow foot. Yeah. But
I was. I was good with it. I still had
fun and really, honestly, my high school BASKETBA team was
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way better than my high school football team. Like when's loss? Why?
So it was always fun to you know, go from
like three and seven on the football field and company,
and so when he can go to the playoffs in basketball.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
One of the things that we love to tease you
about when you were a youngster here and I was
one of the old men in the hill line room,
was the fact that you used to dominate Kawi Leonard
when you were in high school. That was the narrative
that the Browns media was pushing to everybody. So once
in for all, can you set the record straight what
happened when you and Demartin de Rosen and Kawhi Leonard
would face up on the hardwood floor.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
So the Martin Rose was in our league. He played
for Compton High School. I went to Long Beach Wilson.
I don't think we beat him in.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
My next career.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Would you locked him up? Right? No? I don't know
how this room we got started. Why do you know
this room we're gonna stared? There was an article that
went out that maybe embellished my status slashed the performance
against some of these players. You know, in my life,
I did score a couple of basket on Kawhi Leonard.
We lost the game. He was my last high school
game ever. We were playing in the playoffs. They had
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the number one two in the state in California, which
is the pretty impressive. They had Tony Snell, Kawhi Leonard,
and a couple of D one guys. Both those guys
played in the NBA, so it was it was a
tough matchup. But he was in foul trouble all game,
and so he was following you. They were they were
playing hack a shack on jaw. Yeah, they were worried
about you taking the game over. He actually Gardner best player,
and then they switch him on to me after no.
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And then I got the ball in the post a
couple times and I'm like, he's not really guard like
I want to go at him, And so I scored
like two baskets and then they kind of moved them around.
But no, I mean there are some great compents. De
Martin Rosa probably have like six or seven dunks a
game in high school. Like I remember one time I
it was a pick and roll high picking roll and
they had a seven foot cent or two, so they
were really good. And I jumped out to like, you know,
heads of screen, and he just crossed over so aggressively
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and I was like, I don't quite have the lateral
sweet to day one dribbled down the lane and just
like posterized our point guard. And I remember after the game,
my coach, Joe, you gotta cut that off, and I
was like, I'm gonna try to, but I don't think
I have that at my back, Like that might not
be my you know ability, but no, there's some really
good clay columnists. Thompson was for the He was in
that area too. He ended up playing I think against
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Kwai like the finals, So there are some really good
and talented basketball players out there.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Fourteen points a game, he had to have the green
light out to the three point line, right like where
where did your coach allow you to let the ball
rip from?
Speaker 1 (07:02):
So my junior year, I was definitely more of like
a role player, like there was another big man that
we would rotate, so would just be like us, you know,
like I buy three or four minutes, get tired, go
to the bench, you know, come back game and play
and then my senior year, I was probably our number
two option on offense. We had a guy go to
East Europe and so he was a good basketball player.
And that year I probably, I would say I probably
(07:22):
made can't remember exactly, but five to ten three pointers,
like you know, the trailer three, like, yeah, I was
looking for it. Occasion that I hit one. My last
shot in my high school we were playing it, We're
down by like ten, I caught one like halfway to
like half court and I just like threw one up
and I made it. So we lost the game by
seven points or whatever plight that was. But my last
shot was a May three. There we go. So I
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have a little bit of range. I showed it yesterday
and knockout.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
You know.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Yeah, shot, great shot man. I would say majority of
my points are like offensive rebounds, you know, quite post ups,
maybe up and under, you know, below the rim game.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Yeah, the details of your last high school game and
shot are impressive. You could tell how important it was
to you, right, how many times he's told that story
about going against Kawhi Leonard and nailing at three is
his last time walking off the high school basketball hardwood.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
I know all about your basketball prowess. It's very impressive.
But why we never played together.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
So I'm curious what type of high school athlete you were.
Was it just football? Did you have a chance to
play some other sports? Did you have some other passions?
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Yeah, so I all grew up playing football entire life.
But my actual first sport was swimming. So my freshman year, yeah, surprising,
my first my freshman year, my schaar I tricked me
into getting out to the sweat of teams and I
should just do it, you know, I think I was
just gonna, you know, maybe do basketball or some like that,
which I ended up doing basketball later on in high school.
But baseball also was all. I always played baseball. I
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want to be like, my brother wasn't half as good
as ten, but he always likes to say he wasn't
even an eight as good as me. And football, so
you know, it was I always grew up playing sports.
My mom was a physical education teacher, so jim coach
and she, uh, you can't say, right, she yeah, So
she always instilled that, but she as a teacher, she
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also instilled like, you know, just you know, sports matter,
put your academics matter more. So she would always you know,
incentivize playing or you know, whenever, and she had to
pay for a sport or something like that. She like, yep, bees,
you need to make some lakes and so, you know,
school was always very important. But you know, growing up
at you know, I wrestled when I was younger, which
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you know, I don't think I was very good at.
You know, I think, uh well, I wasn't bad at
but by I think I was in fourth grade. I
started wrestling sixth graders, you know that two years and
in wrestling is a lot. So I started started losing
a little bit, nothing like that, but I was always competitive.
You know, where I grew up, it was kind of
a small town. So you know, a little bit bigger
than my wife's town, but uh still a small town.
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So you know, if you didn't play two sports of
free sports, you know, that was just different. You know,
in Long Beach, you know, it's probably a little different.
The talent pool was absolutely crazy, but in fuck your county,
there wasn't. There wasn't the same amount of talent.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Was your speedo, your favorite uniform.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
You or war never wore speed jammers or the leggings
if you see, like swingers nowadays. Yeah, the body. Yeah,
well I never know.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
It wasn't that serious. I would actually like to see
a race here because Joe Thomas pretty good swimmer.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
I've seen it.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
I'm okay, I'm okay, and I'm curious how good you
were at swimming, because like everybody can sign up for the.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Swim team, but were you winning meats and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Yeah, so I usually placed first or second and whatever
I swim in by the time that I s yeah,
by that time, I know, by the time that I
uh finished our first meet, they put me in the
craziest things because you know, growing up swimming, not everybody
knows breast up. Now everyone knows backstro some people don't
trust it. So uh, you know, by the two hundred am,
I think I had regional times, first meet, regional times,
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and almost everything I swam my gosh. Yeah, so I
the new gate some weight.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
And then I gave a little bit late some more
buoyant help.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Yeah, it's just sunk later. But you know it was
by sophomore year. You know, I don't even think I
buy the baseball was about this art Okay, So I
you know, the regional times, I was like, this is yeah,
this is just a fun time. I'm not not taking
it too serious. I wanted to do the fifty meter freestyle,
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and because I've been a sprind of my entire life
and they always put me in the long distance stuff,
not a long distance guy, even though I was doing
all of it, you know, I wanted to. I think
that I could have got a state time and uh
fifty three, but we had to you know, they kind
of have to give that to the kids that don't
know as much because kind of participate in.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Safety swimmin a half mile, yeah exactly, so I think
that it was a little bit of say, precaution.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
But you know, I asked the swim coach if I
can move to fifteen meter free and they said no,
And I was like, all right, well I want to
go if I want to have state times, I'm not
going to states. I'm not going to regional. I'm not
going to districts. I just want to, you know, do it.
So they ended up not you know, baseball was the
next week and I ended up, you know, not finished season.
But I think we had the saying regional times and
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I didn't even act upon but it was cool. And
then in baseball. You know, like I said, I always
did it. I want to be like my brother. And
then you know, it wasn't very good of it. You know.
I think I averaged like the three fifty bag average,
which isn't bad, but I mean, you're not going to
college on that.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Yeah, three fifteen high schools like fifty yeah, examinated.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Yeah, but it was ended up. You know, it was
fun played it, played baseball my first two years, and
then our football coach was like, hey, it's it's time
to start folks to know football, so said sir. Yeah,
and I just you know, my senior year, I wanted
to be a three sport athlete just before because I
knew that I was gonna be playing football. I you know,
basketball and baseball would probably a past in my life.
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So I went and played. I do remember my last
baseball game. In my last basketball game, basketball wasn't as
eventful as yours, but baseball, I had a walk off
double or I think it might have been a walk
off single that brought the guy from third Okay, So
we tied for districts for the first time since my
brother was at the same high school. So it was
eleven years old and mean, okay, it was. It was
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a big deal. But again, you know, my brother would
have probably sent that over there.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Yeah. Did they have a parade for you in the
hometown where they took you on.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
The fire engine from your district congratulation?
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Last games that don't matter matter and so that Joel
game that you nailed, that game where.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Oh it wasn't it was so you could lose my
last of the double digits. Congratulations. Uh, that's awesome. So
you guys obviously had a broad background in sports growing up,
but football ended up being your love. Obviously, part of
it is because that's what you're really good at. That's
what God says, Hey you're gonna be three hundred pounds.
You're probably not gonna do a whole lot of other stuff.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
But was there a.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Point in college that you realized like, hey, I might
be good enough at this to be able to go
home and play at the next level.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
No, I mean for me, you know, I was always
I was highly recruited out of high school, so out
you know, blessing that and that degree. But when I
got to college, you know, they were like, you know,
you can play defensive long and you're gonna pay defensive line,
and about two months in I didn't play defensive line.
They knew what they were doing. Ah, you know, ended
up being the best thing for me. You know, I
have guys who you know, were much better athletes, who
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you know, didn't really get that opportunity. One, you know,
I had injury in my best friend video Mahoda. He
was a great player, but he had knee injuries. And
you know, he was faster than me, smarter than me,
and stronger than me. And you know, by the time
that we left college, I was stankful that I moved
offensive line. I found that niche, you know, a little
moller off off the left side. I never played tackle
like you know Joel Joels an athlete, you know, and
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I was stuck inside. But uh, you know it was
it was a blessing. And I'd probably say, like, you know,
after my sophomore maybe my retro sophomore year, I realized that,
you know, I was good at what I was doing,
but I still, you know, didn't really believe it. Just
you know, you don't really think about it in the
future of the future of the future. You're just so
focused on the moment day by day, So you know,
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It wasn't until like my my junior year that I
really realized that, you know, I could play this at
the next level. And then my senior year I had
kind of a downturn and play picked it up towards
the end of the season. But you know, ended up
being drafted their day like you guys, You guys are
pretty good. But you know I had to wait any
all five years and I needed all three days and
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it worked out.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
So you started out on the defensive side of the
ball d MS. Yeah, I think that's the tails all
his time, right, and you recruit the big white yes,
two weeks in the campus like line.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
We had offensive line coach Bob Wiley, and he always
said that the offensive line is the last bus stop
on the bus line because after that you're going to
be coaching, because there's no other positions that take less
athleticism and less talent than the offensive line. And typically
it starts out as tackle, and if you can't do that,
they move you to guard, and if you can't do that,
they move you to center, and from there they moved
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you to coach and quality control. So Joel obviously.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Played tackle at Nevada or Nevada how you said, if
you're from I tend to correct people on the bat.
Why it says I say it right now?
Speaker 3 (16:05):
He said, well, it's apple action, right, So if someone
said appellations.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Yeah, I think it's a running joke. So Joel, when
did you know that you were probably gonna move to
guard at the next level. It was tough when I
was going to the Senior Bowl, so I played I
played right. We had a weird offense, but I uh,
one year in college was like strong side week.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
So I played right.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Man, Like you remember the right yes, yes, you know,
awesome job. But I played right. I played left, so
I had some experience everything. I went to the Senior
Bowl and they're like, hey, we'll get some reps at guard.
So at that point I was kind of like, all right,
they want that, and then like our tackles got hurt.
So I ended up playing left tackle the whole Senior Bowl,
and I was like, oh, I did pretty good. You know,
we'll see how this turns out. And then you know,
I get drafted completely Browns and they happened to have
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a left tackle that's already kind of played a lot
and a right tackle. You a good left hand, Yeah,
pretty good left tackle, and they're like, yeah, you're probably
gonna play guard for us, and I was like, I
can do that, you know that, And you know, I
gotta obviously between you and Mac. And that was kind
of the position that I got worked into. So I
didn't really know like that. There was a few teams
that might have given me a chance out at tackle,
but I think it worked out really well. I think
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I fit, you know, the you know, six four or not,
the longest arms, you know, and something like that. So
I think I said, well a garden it it worked
out well for me.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
It's obviously worked out well for both of you guys.
But Joel, you were a second round pick for the
Browns right at the top there. Why he took a
little bit longer route to get to the Browns. You're
drafted by Buffalo, we said, fifth round, fifth round, and
then after starting some games your rookie year, you get
traded to the Browns. What was that emotion like after
having some success there as a rookie has a later
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round pick and then being dull immediately right.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
After that year. Yeah, I know, it was weird.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
You know.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
When I came in, I think a couple of weeks
before the draft. They had Eric Wood, who you know,
they kind of knew that Eric Wood was going to
be playing. He had a neck injury. You know, I
think he was on year eight or nine. And then
Richie Hangnito year thirteen. You know, you just finished his
thirteenth year. You know, they didn't know that he wasn't
gona be playing until about a week or two before
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you know, I got drafted, so that wasn't on there
their plan, but they kind of got got me as
a depic. So when I first got there, I was, oh,
you know, Richie, you know, I'm following twenty three years
the interior year talent. You know, it's gonna be awesome.
And all of a sudden that changed. They were both
both retired, and you know, it was it was. It
was definitely, uh, definitely tough to you know, Eric was
always around but and a great guy. But you know,
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so I got to talk to a little bit, but
he wasn't playing, so I didn't to really see his
you know, you know, his work or anything like that.
But you know, absolute great guy. And you know, Ritchie,
I never got to really meet Richie. But you know,
everything I've heard about him, you know, intense. The way
he worked out, the way he trained was you know, unbeatable,
so you know, respect to that. And then you know
i'd watched that and try to try to emulate the
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last stuff. That's really hard. You know, you're thirteen. You
know your technique, you know your fundamentals. So it's a
little weird.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
You know, I think I started by game nine, so
I think I had seven starts to my first year.
And uh, you know it was it was definitely rough.
We didn't have the season. They went from playoffs the
year before. You know, new new quarterback, new new middle linebackers.
It was a little bit of adjustment and you know,
I just to be honest, didn't put my best play
out there. You know, ended up getting traded after the
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uh after camp the next year. But you know, I
thank God for that every day because it brought me
to somewhere where you know, maybe I wasn't you know
that not valued, but just like you know, they they
knew that I had a price that they could get
draft picks or something like that, and the Browns went
to a team that really wanted being you know, and
blessed for that.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
And then you know, I think I started nine games
the next year, and then a full season the next year,
and then full season.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Bill Callahan the offensive line coach here in Cleveland with
the guys, one of the most respected old line coaches
in the NFL. What's it like being coached by Bill
every day? Yeah, it's it's it's hard some some days
more than others. You know, he's a great coach.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Uh. You know, he's extremely smart, is extremely talent to
what he does. He's done it for so long. His
experience speaks for itself, you know. And his ability to
you know, teach pretty complex techniques in a you know,
kind of elementary way is what makes him so good.
You know, he can take a guy. I think in
the year before he came to Cleveland, I think he
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had like something like fifty to sixty different combination of
office wide and including guys that did want to play
the week before and came out and started for him. So,
you know, it shows that his ability to get guys
ready is amazing. You know. So he's a great coach
and you know, I'm blessed to have him.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Scottie Peters is the offensive line assistant. He was the
guy that hung around before he was the coach here,
when Bob Wiley was around, so I got a chance
to listen to some of his thoughts on the ole
line plan. He was always a very different thinker as
far as your technique goes, very ahead of his time
for a line coaches. What does he bring to that unit,
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what does he bring to that room on the offensive
line coach standpoint.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Yeah, I think his you know, the technical side of things.
And like you said, I knew him like three or
four years before he got hired, and we went through
some things, and to be honest, I was a little unsure.
I was like, I don't know, this doesn't seem, you know,
like it works. But he's always like crafting his his
techniques a year after year, like we changed different strikes
and stuff. But he has such a good understanding of
the body and leverage that he shows away like hey,
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playing long independent handstrikes recovery, which is like one of
the biggest things I would always tell people, you know,
like Joe Thomas's ability to recover. He wasn't always in
the perfect position, but yes, he had this uncanny ability
to recover, and like he does a lot of things
with that as well, and so to match him together,
you know, with with Coach Callahan and the scheme and
then him with the technique in the in the past
(21:44):
bro and really trying different things. Yet you know, I
know it was a huge jump setter. They get here
and they want us to gell a lot more, you know,
And so I've learned to incorporate that type stuff in
my game. But just having that guy and he's fun
because he gets out there with the guys and he's
probably one of the stronger guys. Scotty like this is
(22:05):
this is unbelievable. He kind of runs a little bit
like you. He gets like people thinks he's Joe Thomas
a lot like he's like Joe. Maybe he's yeah exactly.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
He has Spain's running down.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Like the ward and.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
That's awesome having him around and being able to give
you just different ways to skin the cat, right.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
I always said that there's.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
A lot of good offensive linemen out there, and none
of them do it the same way, and so I
think having different perspectives is so important to be able
to teach a big group of guys because not everybody's
gonna be able to do it the same way.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
You got to find your own method.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
I'm always thought and you know, when Joel was young
left guard, we give him tips and stuff, but his
body was just built differently, so it took him a
little while to figure out what worked perfect for him.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
I mean, his ankles don't.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Bend, they're completely welded together, so he's gonna play in
his toes.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
But that's all right, Like you gotta find what works
for you. And this year.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
A lot has been made this offseason about this is
Deshawn's offense, this is what he's comfortable with. Him and
Stefanski spent a lot of time together putting together offense
that works for him versus last year where it was
kind of Kevin's offense with a stack of plays that
DeShawn did well. So from your guys' perspective, you know,
how do you think this offense has evolved and what
(23:23):
do you think is going to be different about it?
What are you guys gonna emphasize that you didn't last season?
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Yeah, last year I think was a little weird. He
came in. We had every intention that he was, you know,
gonna play early, ended up not played early. Game eleven
was when he came back, So it was like kind
of make a little transition with the quarterback. We did,
you know, personnel stuff like that. So it's just a
little bit different. This year, we have a full offseason
with him as our in the helm. You know, so
(23:48):
blessed with that. You know, we're thankful that, you know,
we can really work the place that we're gonna be playing.
You know, last year it would be like we did
all these different uh you know, personnels and plays with Deshaun,
and all of a sudden we got Jacobe and it
was run the day ball and it was nice, you know,
and then and uh Jaco Jacoby, you know, he played great,
and you know, then Deshaun came back, and it was
(24:08):
just a little bit different of a play style. You know,
you got to stay in front of your block because
you don't know if he's going to be going out
the B gap for the A gap, you know, d
Kobe he.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Would sit right there for as long as.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
He could and then throw the ball and you know,
he was he was tough. He also you know, sold
the the late hits a little really well. So yeah,
you know, learn from the best. Yeah, but he was
he was great and uh you know, you know just
speaking of him as a guy. You know. I remember
one day after a press conference we ended up winning
the game and he was wearing a Joel the NFL
(24:40):
things NFL and it had so as a quarterback, I've
worn that a few times. Yes, yes, yes, and you
know as a quarterback to sporting your guys like that. Yeah,
he was big. That's got to feel pretty good.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Yeah, what's different blocking for Deshaun versus like Jacoby? Like
what makes it difficult having a guy that you don't
know where he's gonna escape Because I never really played
for a true scrambling quarterback like that where you have
no idea where they're gonna be outside of two three
seconds into the shot talk.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
I think especially for tackles, like knowing the depth of
the pocket, like how far back someone drops and how
you can you know, marry your sets and stuff like that.
Also knowing what you got to get a feel for
when he scrambles. So like last year, I definitely got
a call for holding ones where I was like I
got locked up and then the Shawn and runs out
of the pocket. You just like don't let go quick enough.
So I think getting that feeling of like all right,
(25:30):
my guy's going that way, not aren't the quarterback? You know,
I can let him go here getting them to say
of that. Just having a little bit more of those
quarterback runs in the playbook, you know where it's gonna
it's gonna open things up.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Though.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
You see a team like you know, we just practiced
its Eagles, and they have so many RPOs and things
that are working in this league. I think I would
a guy like the Shan can add those into the
into the playbook. So it's really just get to feel
the timing, the depth of the pocket, really understanding you know,
what he does well, and I think we've learned that.
You know, you always think a blocked forever, but with
the Shawn, it's like he wants to make the big play,
(26:01):
you know what I mean. So he'll hold on that
ball and he's he's pretty strong in that pocket though
it's all the other night. You know, he take ahead
and he can still still get out of there. So
it's one of those things where we're just we're just
learning each other.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Yeah, and then you have to run after the play
because he's trying to you know, run for don't anybody
hit him, you know, makeing sure you're the first one
there to pick him up.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Yeah, it's gonna be really fun for us fans being
readier on the cusp at the start of the season,
to be able to have that quarterback that you feel
like can make those big, explosive game changing plays at
any moment, and you're gonna have them for the entire season.
So I'm curious for you guys, being that you've been
grinding and training damp for a little bit a while though.
Here was there something that you did this summer or
(26:41):
maybe in the offseason to help kind of recharge your
batteries as you guys are getting ready for the grind
of a football season.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Yeah, no, there was definitely. You know, I had a baby,
so you know, I've had a you know, definitely a
time that focused on him. But you know, also like
you know, training a little differently. You know, instead of
just lifting six hundred pounds over your head, you know,
quad and six hundred pallets, you know, you're you're doing
conditioning while also lifting weights, you know, Zurcher carry stuff
like that, where it's like, you know, we're gonna be moving,
so we gotta be ready to go. You know. When
(27:09):
I came in I think, uh, you know, I think, uh,
our Dexas were low as a as an offensive line,
which is good. You know. It means that we're you know,
burning the burning the fat often getting.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Ready to go. Now about you, Joe, I, I enjoyed
a lot of golf, so I mean great Golfer's great golfer.
I wouldn't say great, but I appreciate that way. No, great, No,
we you know, I spent the time in California with
the family and my family, you know, most of my
family's out there, but the kids, uh you understand, like
(27:40):
kids running around. We visited Wisconsin, so I gotta see
you know, all the Zeitler's. Yeah, you know, wiscons the
Palace up there, Wisconsin, and that was that was my
first experience out there besides playing you know, in Green Bay.
So it was fun. But really for me now it's
getting away, spending the time of the family because you know,
in season it's a little bit it's a little bit more.
But you know, I kind of know where my body's
(28:02):
at now. So yeah, it's like I could train, I
can do all the work. But me and me and
you know, Corney have picked up golf and and I'm
trying to play a bottom. You know, I was shooting
in the eighties this year also time. So I'm feel better,
you know, hopefully when I lose some weight, get some
more rooms. Yeah, you know, and I think my inkle
mobility has improved him bringing that up. You know, I
don't plan my toast as much as I didn't. Really,
(28:23):
I still do play my toes though there's nothing. He's fast,
It's unbelievable. I know you got to have stiff ankles
to be fast. Yeah, you've checked out box. I still
thought about that. I see you've got a lake with
country club add on WI. You like to get out
on the golf course and swing the sticks.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Yeah, so I don't. I don't. I'm not as good
as Joel, so I'll spend as much time on the
on the golf course. But we did actually get to
go out and play. And uh, you know, anytime that
Joel was in the sand, he was. It was amazing.
It's a hoping to get out.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
And so you're saying he was on the sand a lot,
a lot.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
You know, some people say, you know, you you lay up,
and he just absolutely going on. I've never said the
Joel as up, but anything but it was, it was
it was impressive, you know, watching him play, and you know,
I think there was a couple of holes there where
I was just putting out of my mind.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Anybody had like ten straight one plus? Yeah, it wasn't
maybe pretty getting to the green, but he was making everything.
So we've been a scramble team. Yes, yes, so you
took all of his money, is what you're trying to
tell me. I'm happy to hear that. Hopefully that you guys.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Bought a few dinners for each other here in training camp,
and make sure to return the fillure for all those
beautiful eighteen whole rounds that you bought for each other.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Uh, let's finish up with a little bit of rapid
fire questions because everybody love is the rapid fire question
and this can be anybody on the team, so it
doesn't have to just.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Be present company here. So who is the most likely
to dance.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
At a club?
Speaker 1 (29:52):
John Kelly? Yeah, John Kelly a good dancer? Does he
like to show off in the always dancing? You know
what I mean? It was the first name that popped
on in my head. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
And Delon can dance a little bit. He's always the
same music. He's always got his headphones.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
But Fellows might be the best dancer. If he danced
at a club, he could definitely. We had a Halloween
party a couple of years.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
He was really he thought I had no We got
to get some video that that'd be amazing. All Right.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Who's the most likely to pick up a check at dinner?
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Jack? Joel? I mean when it comes off, it's a line,
you know.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Yeah, we have a pretty good rotation. We have like
a bunch of older guys. You have a lot of
rich guys.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
What you're saying, Nobody minds picking up last night, you know, Jed,
but no Green Byre I picked it up last night,
Jack and White picked up.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
So we have a good little yeah, and no one ever,
you know, argues with it. It's like, hey, you're picking
up Yeah, so Jed, yous tinner?
Speaker 1 (30:49):
And I'm coming this that. Who's the most likely to
be an NFL coach? Joe No on the whole team? Yeah,
on the whole team. Joel's gonna be.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Golfing too much.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Yeah, that's the point. I appreciate that. Yeah, I'm gonna go.
I think Dobbs's mind to do it, you know, but
he might want to do you know his ascro not.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Yeah, he's pretty smart, you know I think that, Uh
you know Ethan Post, He's a He's really an intelligent guy.
You know, Nick Harris, I feel like.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
I Shobe and like high school, like he just love
he just loves be around the guest. Yeah, yeah, I
like that.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Who's got the dirtiest locker was the biggest slob? We
talked about this all the time.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
There's guys who might have a dirty locker, but they
keep everything in their locker right, And there's people who
who don't do that as much. You know, I'm not
I'm not gonna get.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Well you can names nobody podcast So Jeremia y room.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
I catch myself walking by their lockers all the time,
picking up, Like.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
I have a lot of clothes to have a lot
of years. So my locker looks like it's like messy,
but it's all clean clothes, just piled up. You know.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
He knows where everything is though it's a big Hey,
do you know where that's yours? All the night out?
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Yere, that's amazing. Does Joel have a favorite shirt? Is
there like that one? Go two shirts that he just
wears every day.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Every year you kind of have like a different shirt
and everyone fit.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Okay, whatever, I love this. Things look good. Yeah, well
I don't have you know, the the dryers at the facility.
I believe shrieks and shirts. I'm not getting weight. I
know that, so of course not I've never waives myself.
But I do have this footy for my rookie year
that the sleeves are cut off that if I'm doing
a big arm pump, it's only once or twice, you know,
(32:31):
I camp or something like that.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
But that's my my go to you probably, Yeah, I
noticed the sweatshirts. After a couple of washes they start doing.
They'll tell you we can fat pani. That's all you know.
I know it's in season, but.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Come on, Yes, big guys always have that fat anxiety
and the little of this season.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Like I wait myself, but this shirt's getting really tired.
I'm gonna get in trouble here.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
They're gonna send me to fat camp after practice and
I'm gonna have to ride the bike.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Last question, I appreciate the time from you guys today.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Who's the one person that you would never allow controlling
the music in the weight room. I feel like people
have allowed me to. But I know that no one
likes to put on some country and everything.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
They won't say anything. I guess I respect, but uh,
you know, Jack Coglan, he puts on this. Man will
put on like eighty m and it's like are we
in a club lifting it?
Speaker 1 (33:24):
I love it? I love it?
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Like like what's that two Friends? Is that the band
that does the Big Booty mix or something like that?
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Put that on SoundCloud? Yeah, like Switches song?
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, it's like focused the focus.
It's like, right, you're about to get to the good
part of the song.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
It does rushure me because then like that, you know,
a good song will come on. I'm like, oh yeah,
and it changes. But I'm like the least music guy
in the weight room. Like I'm kind of one of
the older guys. Now they're like Joelie, get the music,
and I'm like, really don't want that responsibility right now,
you know, so I kind of let it flow.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
He always turns on how Chili Peppers.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
It's I do like Kelly Vibes is kind of like
what you listen to in those formative years like middle school,
high school, Like whatever you listen to.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
That's what you're going to go back to when you're
in your thirties and forties. Not to say you're old
or anything, Joel, but if you do like country in
the weight room but nobody else does, there's some good
country medim.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Mixes on SoundCloud.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
MC forty is like a DJ group that does mix
ups and mashups with country and electronic, which is really good.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
So you guys should check that out. I feel like
that might be a crowd. Please.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
Jelly Rolls come out with some really yeah they don't
like some.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Hip hop country crossover that I feel like might appeal
to some anybody.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Yeah, yes, broader audiences.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
So it's hard when you put on you know, Eric
Church and every song is a little slow, and.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Yeah, you don't want slow in the way room. I'm
getting old because we've had the rookie scene for us,
you know, doing thing, and I think I'm one for
like ten on doing what I say.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Everybody starts chanting and the like, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
I gotta I gotta help my music game. You're back
to your crossword puzzle. You're like, all right, you guys,
tell me what you're done. Yeah, well for another podcast.
Keep you sharp and engaged in your crossroads. But I
really appreciate you guys coming on the podcast today. We
should the best of luck the rest of the preseason
and as we start the season. Thank you, Thanks guys.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Hall of.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Hall, of all the fame, all.
Speaker 5 (35:30):
The walking Payton was a warrior running with bees and
rookies couldn't hold them. Wait up in one of his
creet as a creek through the zone. I am known
as a monster, the new Larry zarka ball and hall
going monks and somebody eatans and trying to stop Barry
Sanders and shunks in the game. You Justice Salamander never
had the boundary. Running through Yell Town, keep your head
up and rush. We looked like Jim Brown.
Hey, what's up everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
This is Joe Thomas, your Hall of Fame left tackle
from the Cleveland Browns, and this is the Dog's Only Podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Today.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
I'm gonna be talking to Wyatt Teller and Joel Buttonio,
the world's favorite offensive guards in all Pro football. The
cool Well, let's just keep talking about it as on
as we're rolling. We're good because that's what all fat
guys want to talk about.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
We were excited for it all day.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Yeah really look Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
So one of my favorite things when I was playing
on the Old line was the amazing.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Dinners that we've come together and have. And when I
was a rookie, it was like every week.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
But then as you get old and you have kids
and stuff, it's not as frequent because mama wants you
home to help with the kiddos. But one of the
cool things about coming out here for going practices for
you guys is you get a chance to get together.
You get a little bit more free time maybe than
you do when you were in Borea for training camp.
So you guys had a good Old Line dinner last night.
What were the highlights.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Yeah, we went to del for Goes Double Eagle, which
it kind of gave me morble room boties if you like,
we're in a vault down there. They took care of us,
you know. A seal steakhouse. They had a lot of
good things on the menu, but they had these Philly
cheese steak dumplings that were for not all I was
dreaming about. I looked at the menu and I was like,
you know, fat guy thing like just like two days out,
(01:19):
I'm looking at the menu, what I'm gonna order for
dinner in two days you know, Like I saw those,
I'm like, we need to order. I think those were great.
And a buttercake at them the night A butter Yeah,
I love going for those buttercakes. Like at the end
of a nice steakhouse.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Dinner, you don't want it, you don't need it, You're
you're already in a lot of pain, with a lot
of indigestion, but you can't say no.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
It is something so tasty.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Yeah, there were some some really good steaks there, Joey.
It was. It was a good time and was a
good time just hanging out with the with the boys,
and like you said, we get away for a little
bit so we all get to be together and it's.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Nice So as much as you guys like to eat
and you're good chefs, you're also good athletes. And I
don't think our guards on the Browns get enough credit
for the type of ath into our You were second
at the combine. I think among all offensive linemen with
the broad jump. You had a great combine showing off
your athleticism with the three cone drill, and you've been
(02:10):
doing that in your entire career. Joel, there's a little
birdie that told me you may have won a game
of knockout down here in Philadelphia when coach Stefanski took
you guys all over the University of Penn.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
I think this week, we're still.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Down here at Philly right now during the joint practice
is getting ready for the game. So tell us a
little bit about what happened that allowed you to beat
the entire Browns team in a game of knockout.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Well, we were I was kind of shooting on the side,
like I didn't know how intense it was going to get,
so I was warming up a little bit, and then
I jumped in into the games and I was like,
all right, like my competitive juice is start rolling. My
flashbacks to high school, Like fifty pounds lighter, you know,
a little bit more nimble. So I didn't win the
first two games. And then I was in it and
(02:54):
I started making some shots. You know, I think knockout
the key is how quick you can to hustle for
the rebound, huh. You know, so I was getting the
hustle rebound, lay up, put back. You know, Miles was
out there like wasting his energy trying to like pretend
dunk you know every time we Yeah, I was like,
I'm like touching the backboard, you know what I mean,
But get my giving my layups in And honestly, I
probably should have lost. I was, you know, I was
(03:16):
the first shooter with the last two guys, but he
just kept missing his shot. So I finally got the
ball back one time and it hit one of the
top of the top of the key. I was honestly,
I was just pumped. I put on for the big ones,
you know, like, oh, I'm stuff. But we had to
win in there, you know. So I had some flashbacks
to some high school basketball days there.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
And you were a great high school basketball player. Fourteen
points and twelve rebounds, I believe was the average.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
No big deal. I mean that's solid. Yeah level. Yeah, yeah,
I was a double double guy. We played in the
competitive competitive league. I you know, I we had better
players on our team.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I was.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
I just tried to do my you know, rebound off
its rebound, some post moves, some kickouts, you know, repost
all that fun stuff. But I played basketball, travel basketball,
you know, from like fifth grade really through high school,
you know, so I loved it. And then I went
to Nationals I think when I was like twelve or thirteen,
and I realized like, I'm probably not gonna play back. Yeah.
I realized that I'm not seven feet tall run like
(04:06):
a Yeah. So I was like, I'll be about all dude.
In high schools, I really enjoyed playing basketball, but you know,
I knew football is probably my calling to keep playing sports.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
What age did you realize that it was going to
be football not basketball.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
I honestly think probably I probably still had a glimmer
of hope before I went to high school. But I
think once I got to high school, I was like,
all right, like I'm like a five eleven, you know,
Saturday on the freshman basketball team, So this is probably
not gonna go down unless I grow foot. Yeah. But
I was. I was good with it. I still had
fun and really, honestly, my high school BASKETBA team was
(04:39):
way better than my high school football team. Like when's loss? Why?
So it was always fun to you know, go from
like three and seven on the football field and company,
and so when he can go to the playoffs in basketball.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
One of the things that we love to tease you
about when you were a youngster here and I was
one of the old men in the hill line room,
was the fact that you used to dominate Kawi Leonard
when you were in high school. That was the narrative
that the Browns media was pushing to everybody. So once
in for all, can you set the record straight what
happened when you and Demartin de Rosen and Kawhi Leonard
would face up on the hardwood floor.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
So the Martin Rose was in our league. He played
for Compton High School. I went to Long Beach Wilson.
I don't think we beat him in.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
My next career.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Would you locked him up? Right? No? I don't know
how this room we got started. Why do you know
this room we're gonna stared? There was an article that
went out that maybe embellished my status slashed the performance
against some of these players. You know, in my life,
I did score a couple of basket on Kawhi Leonard.
We lost the game. He was my last high school
game ever. We were playing in the playoffs. They had
(05:41):
the number one two in the state in California, which
is the pretty impressive. They had Tony Snell, Kawhi Leonard,
and a couple of D one guys. Both those guys
played in the NBA, so it was it was a
tough matchup. But he was in foul trouble all game,
and so he was following you. They were they were
playing hack a shack on jaw. Yeah, they were worried
about you taking the game over. He actually Gardner best player,
and then they switch him on to me after no.
(06:03):
And then I got the ball in the post a
couple times and I'm like, he's not really guard like
I want to go at him, And so I scored
like two baskets and then they kind of moved them around.
But no, I mean there are some great compents. De
Martin Rosa probably have like six or seven dunks a
game in high school. Like I remember one time I
it was a pick and roll high picking roll and
they had a seven foot cent or two, so they
were really good. And I jumped out to like, you know,
heads of screen, and he just crossed over so aggressively
(06:25):
and I was like, I don't quite have the lateral
sweet to day one dribbled down the lane and just
like posterized our point guard. And I remember after the game,
my coach, Joe, you gotta cut that off, and I
was like, I'm gonna try to, but I don't think
I have that at my back, Like that might not
be my you know ability, but no, there's some really
good clay columnists. Thompson was for the He was in
that area too. He ended up playing I think against
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Kwai like the finals, So there are some really good
and talented basketball players out there.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Fourteen points a game, he had to have the green
light out to the three point line, right like where
where did your coach allow you to let the ball
rip from?
Speaker 1 (07:02):
So my junior year, I was definitely more of like
a role player, like there was another big man that
we would rotate, so would just be like us, you know,
like I buy three or four minutes, get tired, go
to the bench, you know, come back game and play
and then my senior year, I was probably our number
two option on offense. We had a guy go to
East Europe and so he was a good basketball player.
And that year I probably, I would say I probably
(07:22):
made can't remember exactly, but five to ten three pointers,
like you know, the trailer three, like, yeah, I was
looking for it. Occasion that I hit one. My last
shot in my high school we were playing it, We're
down by like ten, I caught one like halfway to
like half court and I just like threw one up
and I made it. So we lost the game by
seven points or whatever plight that was. But my last
shot was a May three. There we go. So I
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have a little bit of range. I showed it yesterday
and knockout.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
You know.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Yeah, shot, great shot man. I would say majority of
my points are like offensive rebounds, you know, quite post ups,
maybe up and under, you know, below the rim game.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Yeah, the details of your last high school game and
shot are impressive. You could tell how important it was
to you, right, how many times he's told that story
about going against Kawhi Leonard and nailing at three is
his last time walking off the high school basketball hardwood.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
I know all about your basketball prowess. It's very impressive.
But why we never played together.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
So I'm curious what type of high school athlete you were.
Was it just football? Did you have a chance to
play some other sports? Did you have some other passions?
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Yeah, so I all grew up playing football entire life.
But my actual first sport was swimming. So my freshman year, yeah, surprising,
my first my freshman year, my schaar I tricked me
into getting out to the sweat of teams and I
should just do it, you know, I think I was
just gonna, you know, maybe do basketball or some like that,
which I ended up doing basketball later on in high school.
But baseball also was all. I always played baseball. I
(08:45):
want to be like, my brother wasn't half as good
as ten, but he always likes to say he wasn't
even an eight as good as me. And football, so
you know, it was I always grew up playing sports.
My mom was a physical education teacher, so jim coach
and she, uh, you can't say, right, she yeah, So
she always instilled that, but she as a teacher, she
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also instilled like, you know, just you know, sports matter,
put your academics matter more. So she would always you know,
incentivize playing or you know, whenever, and she had to
pay for a sport or something like that. She like, yep, bees,
you need to make some lakes and so, you know,
school was always very important. But you know, growing up
at you know, I wrestled when I was younger, which
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you know, I don't think I was very good at.
You know, I think, uh well, I wasn't bad at
but by I think I was in fourth grade. I
started wrestling sixth graders, you know that two years and
in wrestling is a lot. So I started started losing
a little bit, nothing like that, but I was always competitive.
You know, where I grew up, it was kind of
a small town. So you know, a little bit bigger
than my wife's town, but uh still a small town.
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So you know, if you didn't play two sports of
free sports, you know, that was just different. You know,
in Long Beach, you know, it's probably a little different.
The talent pool was absolutely crazy, but in fuck your county,
there wasn't. There wasn't the same amount of talent.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Was your speedo, your favorite uniform.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
You or war never wore speed jammers or the leggings
if you see, like swingers nowadays. Yeah, the body. Yeah,
well I never know.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
It wasn't that serious. I would actually like to see
a race here because Joe Thomas pretty good swimmer.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
I've seen it.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
I'm okay, I'm okay, and I'm curious how good you
were at swimming, because like everybody can sign up for the.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Swim team, but were you winning meats and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Yeah, so I usually placed first or second and whatever
I swim in by the time that I s yeah,
by that time, I know, by the time that I
uh finished our first meet, they put me in the
craziest things because you know, growing up swimming, not everybody
knows breast up. Now everyone knows backstro some people don't
trust it. So uh, you know, by the two hundred am,
I think I had regional times, first meet, regional times,
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and almost everything I swam my gosh. Yeah, so I
the new gate some weight.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
And then I gave a little bit late some more
buoyant help.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Yeah, it's just sunk later. But you know it was
by sophomore year. You know, I don't even think I
buy the baseball was about this art Okay, So I
you know, the regional times, I was like, this is yeah,
this is just a fun time. I'm not not taking
it too serious. I wanted to do the fifty meter freestyle,
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and because I've been a sprind of my entire life
and they always put me in the long distance stuff,
not a long distance guy, even though I was doing
all of it, you know, I wanted to. I think
that I could have got a state time and uh
fifty three, but we had to you know, they kind
of have to give that to the kids that don't
know as much because kind of participate in.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Safety swimmin a half mile, yeah exactly, so I think
that it was a little bit of say, precaution.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
But you know, I asked the swim coach if I
can move to fifteen meter free and they said no,
And I was like, all right, well I want to
go if I want to have state times, I'm not
going to states. I'm not going to regional. I'm not
going to districts. I just want to, you know, do it.
So they ended up not you know, baseball was the
next week and I ended up, you know, not finished season.
But I think we had the saying regional times and
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I didn't even act upon but it was cool. And
then in baseball. You know, like I said, I always
did it. I want to be like my brother. And
then you know, it wasn't very good of it. You know.
I think I averaged like the three fifty bag average,
which isn't bad, but I mean, you're not going to
college on that.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Yeah, three fifteen high schools like fifty yeah, examinated.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Yeah, but it was ended up. You know, it was
fun played it, played baseball my first two years, and
then our football coach was like, hey, it's it's time
to start folks to know football, so said sir. Yeah,
and I just you know, my senior year, I wanted
to be a three sport athlete just before because I
knew that I was gonna be playing football. I you know,
basketball and baseball would probably a past in my life.
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So I went and played. I do remember my last
baseball game. In my last basketball game, basketball wasn't as
eventful as yours, but baseball, I had a walk off
double or I think it might have been a walk
off single that brought the guy from third Okay, So
we tied for districts for the first time since my
brother was at the same high school. So it was
eleven years old and mean, okay, it was. It was
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a big deal. But again, you know, my brother would
have probably sent that over there.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Yeah. Did they have a parade for you in the
hometown where they took you on.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
The fire engine from your district congratulation?
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Last games that don't matter matter and so that Joel
game that you nailed, that game where.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Oh it wasn't it was so you could lose my
last of the double digits. Congratulations. Uh, that's awesome. So
you guys obviously had a broad background in sports growing up,
but football ended up being your love. Obviously, part of
it is because that's what you're really good at. That's
what God says, Hey you're gonna be three hundred pounds.
You're probably not gonna do a whole lot of other stuff.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
But was there a.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Point in college that you realized like, hey, I might
be good enough at this to be able to go
home and play at the next level.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
No, I mean for me, you know, I was always
I was highly recruited out of high school, so out
you know, blessing that and that degree. But when I
got to college, you know, they were like, you know,
you can play defensive long and you're gonna pay defensive line,
and about two months in I didn't play defensive line.
They knew what they were doing. Ah, you know, ended
up being the best thing for me. You know, I
have guys who you know, were much better athletes, who
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you know, didn't really get that opportunity. One, you know,
I had injury in my best friend video Mahoda. He
was a great player, but he had knee injuries. And
you know, he was faster than me, smarter than me,
and stronger than me. And you know, by the time
that we left college, I was stankful that I moved
offensive line. I found that niche, you know, a little
moller off off the left side. I never played tackle
like you know Joel Joels an athlete, you know, and
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I was stuck inside. But uh, you know it was
it was a blessing. And I'd probably say, like, you know,
after my sophomore maybe my retro sophomore year, I realized that,
you know, I was good at what I was doing,
but I still, you know, didn't really believe it. Just
you know, you don't really think about it in the
future of the future of the future. You're just so
focused on the moment day by day, So you know,
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It wasn't until like my my junior year that I
really realized that, you know, I could play this at
the next level. And then my senior year I had
kind of a downturn and play picked it up towards
the end of the season. But you know, ended up
being drafted their day like you guys, You guys are
pretty good. But you know I had to wait any
all five years and I needed all three days and
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it worked out.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
So you started out on the defensive side of the
ball d MS. Yeah, I think that's the tails all
his time, right, and you recruit the big white yes,
two weeks in the campus like line.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
We had offensive line coach Bob Wiley, and he always
said that the offensive line is the last bus stop
on the bus line because after that you're going to
be coaching, because there's no other positions that take less
athleticism and less talent than the offensive line. And typically
it starts out as tackle, and if you can't do that,
they move you to guard, and if you can't do that,
they move you to center, and from there they moved
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you to coach and quality control. So Joel obviously.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Played tackle at Nevada or Nevada how you said, if
you're from I tend to correct people on the bat.
Why it says I say it right now?
Speaker 3 (16:05):
He said, well, it's apple action, right, So if someone
said appellations.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Yeah, I think it's a running joke. So Joel, when
did you know that you were probably gonna move to
guard at the next level. It was tough when I
was going to the Senior Bowl, so I played I
played right. We had a weird offense, but I uh,
one year in college was like strong side week.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
So I played right.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Man, Like you remember the right yes, yes, you know,
awesome job. But I played right. I played left, so
I had some experience everything. I went to the Senior
Bowl and they're like, hey, we'll get some reps at guard.
So at that point I was kind of like, all right,
they want that, and then like our tackles got hurt.
So I ended up playing left tackle the whole Senior Bowl,
and I was like, oh, I did pretty good. You know,
we'll see how this turns out. And then you know,
I get drafted completely Browns and they happened to have
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a left tackle that's already kind of played a lot
and a right tackle. You a good left hand, Yeah,
pretty good left tackle, and they're like, yeah, you're probably
gonna play guard for us, and I was like, I
can do that, you know that, And you know, I
gotta obviously between you and Mac. And that was kind
of the position that I got worked into. So I
didn't really know like that. There was a few teams
that might have given me a chance out at tackle,
but I think it worked out really well. I think
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I fit, you know, the you know, six four or not,
the longest arms, you know, and something like that. So
I think I said, well a garden it it worked
out well for me.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
It's obviously worked out well for both of you guys.
But Joel, you were a second round pick for the
Browns right at the top there. Why he took a
little bit longer route to get to the Browns. You're
drafted by Buffalo, we said, fifth round, fifth round, and
then after starting some games your rookie year, you get
traded to the Browns. What was that emotion like after
having some success there as a rookie has a later
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round pick and then being dull immediately right.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
After that year. Yeah, I know, it was weird.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
You know.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
When I came in, I think a couple of weeks
before the draft. They had Eric Wood, who you know,
they kind of knew that Eric Wood was going to
be playing. He had a neck injury. You know, I
think he was on year eight or nine. And then
Richie Hangnito year thirteen. You know, you just finished his
thirteenth year. You know, they didn't know that he wasn't
gona be playing until about a week or two before
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you know, I got drafted, so that wasn't on there
their plan, but they kind of got got me as
a depic. So when I first got there, I was, oh,
you know, Richie, you know, I'm following twenty three years
the interior year talent. You know, it's gonna be awesome.
And all of a sudden that changed. They were both
both retired, and you know, it was it was. It
was definitely, uh, definitely tough to you know, Eric was
always around but and a great guy. But you know,
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so I got to talk to a little bit, but
he wasn't playing, so I didn't to really see his
you know, you know, his work or anything like that.
But you know, absolute great guy. And you know, Ritchie,
I never got to really meet Richie. But you know,
everything I've heard about him, you know, intense. The way
he worked out, the way he trained was you know, unbeatable,
so you know, respect to that. And then you know
i'd watched that and try to try to emulate the
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last stuff. That's really hard. You know, you're thirteen. You
know your technique, you know your fundamentals. So it's a
little weird.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
You know, I think I started by game nine, so
I think I had seven starts to my first year.
And uh, you know it was it was definitely rough.
We didn't have the season. They went from playoffs the
year before. You know, new new quarterback, new new middle linebackers.
It was a little bit of adjustment and you know,
I just to be honest, didn't put my best play
out there. You know, ended up getting traded after the
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uh after camp the next year. But you know, I
thank God for that every day because it brought me
to somewhere where you know, maybe I wasn't you know
that not valued, but just like you know, they they
knew that I had a price that they could get
draft picks or something like that, and the Browns went
to a team that really wanted being you know, and
blessed for that.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
And then you know, I think I started nine games
the next year, and then a full season the next year,
and then full season.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Bill Callahan the offensive line coach here in Cleveland with
the guys, one of the most respected old line coaches
in the NFL. What's it like being coached by Bill
every day? Yeah, it's it's it's hard some some days
more than others. You know, he's a great coach.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Uh. You know, he's extremely smart, is extremely talent to
what he does. He's done it for so long. His
experience speaks for itself, you know. And his ability to
you know, teach pretty complex techniques in a you know,
kind of elementary way is what makes him so good.
You know, he can take a guy. I think in
the year before he came to Cleveland, I think he
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had like something like fifty to sixty different combination of
office wide and including guys that did want to play
the week before and came out and started for him. So,
you know, it shows that his ability to get guys
ready is amazing. You know. So he's a great coach
and you know, I'm blessed to have him.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Scottie Peters is the offensive line assistant. He was the
guy that hung around before he was the coach here,
when Bob Wiley was around, so I got a chance
to listen to some of his thoughts on the ole
line plan. He was always a very different thinker as
far as your technique goes, very ahead of his time
for a line coaches. What does he bring to that unit,
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what does he bring to that room on the offensive
line coach standpoint.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Yeah, I think his you know, the technical side of things.
And like you said, I knew him like three or
four years before he got hired, and we went through
some things, and to be honest, I was a little unsure.
I was like, I don't know, this doesn't seem, you know,
like it works. But he's always like crafting his his
techniques a year after year, like we changed different strikes
and stuff. But he has such a good understanding of
the body and leverage that he shows away like hey,
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playing long independent handstrikes recovery, which is like one of
the biggest things I would always tell people, you know,
like Joe Thomas's ability to recover. He wasn't always in
the perfect position, but yes, he had this uncanny ability
to recover, and like he does a lot of things
with that as well, and so to match him together,
you know, with with Coach Callahan and the scheme and
then him with the technique in the in the past
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bro and really trying different things. Yet you know, I
know it was a huge jump setter. They get here
and they want us to gell a lot more, you know,
And so I've learned to incorporate that type stuff in
my game. But just having that guy and he's fun
because he gets out there with the guys and he's
probably one of the stronger guys. Scotty like this is
(22:05):
this is unbelievable. He kind of runs a little bit
like you. He gets like people thinks he's Joe Thomas
a lot like he's like Joe. Maybe he's yeah exactly.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
He has Spain's running down.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Like the ward and.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
That's awesome having him around and being able to give
you just different ways to skin the cat, right.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
I always said that there's.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
A lot of good offensive linemen out there, and none
of them do it the same way, and so I
think having different perspectives is so important to be able
to teach a big group of guys because not everybody's
gonna be able to do it the same way.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
You got to find your own method.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
I'm always thought and you know, when Joel was young
left guard, we give him tips and stuff, but his
body was just built differently, so it took him a
little while to figure out what worked perfect for him.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
I mean, his ankles don't.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Bend, they're completely welded together, so he's gonna play in
his toes.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
But that's all right, Like you gotta find what works
for you. And this year.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
A lot has been made this offseason about this is
Deshawn's offense, this is what he's comfortable with. Him and
Stefanski spent a lot of time together putting together offense
that works for him versus last year where it was
kind of Kevin's offense with a stack of plays that
DeShawn did well. So from your guys' perspective, you know,
how do you think this offense has evolved and what
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do you think is going to be different about it?
What are you guys gonna emphasize that you didn't last season?
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Yeah, last year I think was a little weird. He
came in. We had every intention that he was, you know,
gonna play early, ended up not played early. Game eleven
was when he came back, So it was like kind
of make a little transition with the quarterback. We did,
you know, personnel stuff like that. So it's just a
little bit different. This year, we have a full offseason
with him as our in the helm. You know, so
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blessed with that. You know, we're thankful that, you know,
we can really work the place that we're gonna be playing.
You know, last year it would be like we did
all these different uh you know, personnels and plays with Deshaun,
and all of a sudden we got Jacobe and it
was run the day ball and it was nice, you know,
and then and uh Jaco Jacoby, you know, he played great,
and you know, then Deshaun came back, and it was
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just a little bit different of a play style. You know,
you got to stay in front of your block because
you don't know if he's going to be going out
the B gap for the A gap, you know, d
Kobe he.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Would sit right there for as long as.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
He could and then throw the ball and you know,
he was he was tough. He also you know, sold
the the late hits a little really well. So yeah,
you know, learn from the best. Yeah, but he was
he was great and uh you know, you know just
speaking of him as a guy. You know. I remember
one day after a press conference we ended up winning
the game and he was wearing a Joel the NFL
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things NFL and it had so as a quarterback, I've
worn that a few times. Yes, yes, yes, and you
know as a quarterback to sporting your guys like that. Yeah,
he was big. That's got to feel pretty good.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Yeah, what's different blocking for Deshaun versus like Jacoby? Like
what makes it difficult having a guy that you don't
know where he's gonna escape Because I never really played
for a true scrambling quarterback like that where you have
no idea where they're gonna be outside of two three
seconds into the shot talk.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
I think especially for tackles, like knowing the depth of
the pocket, like how far back someone drops and how
you can you know, marry your sets and stuff like that.
Also knowing what you got to get a feel for
when he scrambles. So like last year, I definitely got
a call for holding ones where I was like I
got locked up and then the Shawn and runs out
of the pocket. You just like don't let go quick enough.
So I think getting that feeling of like all right,
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my guy's going that way, not aren't the quarterback? You know,
I can let him go here getting them to say
of that. Just having a little bit more of those
quarterback runs in the playbook, you know where it's gonna
it's gonna open things up.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Though.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
You see a team like you know, we just practiced
its Eagles, and they have so many RPOs and things
that are working in this league. I think I would
a guy like the Shan can add those into the
into the playbook. So it's really just get to feel
the timing, the depth of the pocket, really understanding you know,
what he does well, and I think we've learned that.
You know, you always think a blocked forever, but with
the Shawn, it's like he wants to make the big play,
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you know what I mean. So he'll hold on that
ball and he's he's pretty strong in that pocket though
it's all the other night. You know, he take ahead
and he can still still get out of there. So
it's one of those things where we're just we're just
learning each other.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Yeah, and then you have to run after the play
because he's trying to you know, run for don't anybody
hit him, you know, makeing sure you're the first one
there to pick him up.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Yeah, it's gonna be really fun for us fans being
readier on the cusp at the start of the season,
to be able to have that quarterback that you feel
like can make those big, explosive game changing plays at
any moment, and you're gonna have them for the entire season.
So I'm curious for you guys, being that you've been
grinding and training damp for a little bit a while though.
Here was there something that you did this summer or
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maybe in the offseason to help kind of recharge your
batteries as you guys are getting ready for the grind
of a football season.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Yeah, no, there was definitely. You know, I had a baby,
so you know, I've had a you know, definitely a
time that focused on him. But you know, also like
you know, training a little differently. You know, instead of
just lifting six hundred pounds over your head, you know,
quad and six hundred pallets, you know, you're you're doing
conditioning while also lifting weights, you know, Zurcher carry stuff
like that, where it's like, you know, we're gonna be moving,
so we gotta be ready to go. You know. When
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I came in I think, uh, you know, I think, uh,
our Dexas were low as a as an offensive line,
which is good. You know. It means that we're you know,
burning the burning the fat often getting.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Ready to go. Now about you, Joe, I, I enjoyed
a lot of golf, so I mean great Golfer's great golfer.
I wouldn't say great, but I appreciate that way. No, great, No,
we you know, I spent the time in California with
the family and my family, you know, most of my
family's out there, but the kids, uh you understand, like
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kids running around. We visited Wisconsin, so I gotta see
you know, all the Zeitler's. Yeah, you know, wiscons the
Palace up there, Wisconsin, and that was that was my
first experience out there besides playing you know, in Green Bay.
So it was fun. But really for me now it's
getting away, spending the time of the family because you know,
in season it's a little bit it's a little bit more.
But you know, I kind of know where my body's
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at now. So yeah, it's like I could train, I
can do all the work. But me and me and
you know, Corney have picked up golf and and I'm
trying to play a bottom. You know, I was shooting
in the eighties this year also time. So I'm feel better,
you know, hopefully when I lose some weight, get some
more rooms. Yeah, you know, and I think my inkle
mobility has improved him bringing that up. You know, I
don't plan my toast as much as I didn't. Really,
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I still do play my toes though there's nothing. He's fast,
It's unbelievable. I know you got to have stiff ankles
to be fast. Yeah, you've checked out box. I still
thought about that. I see you've got a lake with
country club add on WI. You like to get out
on the golf course and swing the sticks.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Yeah, so I don't. I don't. I'm not as good
as Joel, so I'll spend as much time on the
on the golf course. But we did actually get to
go out and play. And uh, you know, anytime that
Joel was in the sand, he was. It was amazing.
It's a hoping to get out.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
And so you're saying he was on the sand a lot,
a lot.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
You know, some people say, you know, you you lay up,
and he just absolutely going on. I've never said the
Joel as up, but anything but it was, it was
it was impressive, you know, watching him play, and you know,
I think there was a couple of holes there where
I was just putting out of my mind.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Anybody had like ten straight one plus? Yeah, it wasn't
maybe pretty getting to the green, but he was making everything.
So we've been a scramble team. Yes, yes, so you
took all of his money, is what you're trying to
tell me. I'm happy to hear that. Hopefully that you guys.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Bought a few dinners for each other here in training camp,
and make sure to return the fillure for all those
beautiful eighteen whole rounds that you bought for each other.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Uh, let's finish up with a little bit of rapid
fire questions because everybody love is the rapid fire question
and this can be anybody on the team, so it
doesn't have to just.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Be present company here. So who is the most likely
to dance.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
At a club?
Speaker 1 (29:52):
John Kelly? Yeah, John Kelly a good dancer? Does he
like to show off in the always dancing? You know
what I mean? It was the first name that popped
on in my head. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
And Delon can dance a little bit. He's always the
same music. He's always got his headphones.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
But Fellows might be the best dancer. If he danced
at a club, he could definitely. We had a Halloween
party a couple of years.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
He was really he thought I had no We got
to get some video that that'd be amazing. All Right.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Who's the most likely to pick up a check at dinner?
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Jack? Joel? I mean when it comes off, it's a line,
you know.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Yeah, we have a pretty good rotation. We have like
a bunch of older guys. You have a lot of
rich guys.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
What you're saying, Nobody minds picking up last night, you know, Jed,
but no Green Byre I picked it up last night,
Jack and White picked up.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
So we have a good little yeah, and no one ever,
you know, argues with it. It's like, hey, you're picking
up Yeah, so Jed, yous tinner?
Speaker 1 (30:49):
And I'm coming this that. Who's the most likely to
be an NFL coach? Joe No on the whole team? Yeah,
on the whole team. Joel's gonna be.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Golfing too much.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Yeah, that's the point. I appreciate that. Yeah, I'm gonna go.
I think Dobbs's mind to do it, you know, but
he might want to do you know his ascro not.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
Yeah, he's pretty smart, you know I think that, Uh
you know Ethan Post, He's a He's really an intelligent guy.
You know, Nick Harris, I feel like.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
I Shobe and like high school, like he just love
he just loves be around the guest. Yeah, yeah, I
like that.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Who's got the dirtiest locker was the biggest slob? We
talked about this all the time.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
There's guys who might have a dirty locker, but they
keep everything in their locker right, And there's people who
who don't do that as much. You know, I'm not
I'm not gonna get.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Well you can names nobody podcast So Jeremia y room.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
I catch myself walking by their lockers all the time,
picking up, Like.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
I have a lot of clothes to have a lot
of years. So my locker looks like it's like messy,
but it's all clean clothes, just piled up. You know.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
He knows where everything is though it's a big Hey,
do you know where that's yours? All the night out?
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Yere, that's amazing. Does Joel have a favorite shirt? Is
there like that one? Go two shirts that he just
wears every day.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Every year you kind of have like a different shirt
and everyone fit.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Okay, whatever, I love this. Things look good. Yeah, well
I don't have you know, the the dryers at the facility.
I believe shrieks and shirts. I'm not getting weight. I
know that, so of course not I've never waives myself.
But I do have this footy for my rookie year
that the sleeves are cut off that if I'm doing
a big arm pump, it's only once or twice, you know,
(32:31):
I camp or something like that.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
But that's my my go to you probably, Yeah, I
noticed the sweatshirts. After a couple of washes they start doing.
They'll tell you we can fat pani. That's all you know.
I know it's in season, but.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Come on, Yes, big guys always have that fat anxiety
and the little of this season.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Like I wait myself, but this shirt's getting really tired.
I'm gonna get in trouble here.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
They're gonna send me to fat camp after practice and
I'm gonna have to ride the bike.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Last question, I appreciate the time from you guys today.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Who's the one person that you would never allow controlling
the music in the weight room. I feel like people
have allowed me to. But I know that no one
likes to put on some country and everything.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
They won't say anything. I guess I respect, but uh,
you know, Jack Coglan, he puts on this. Man will
put on like eighty m and it's like are we
in a club lifting it?
Speaker 1 (33:24):
I love it? I love it?
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Like like what's that two Friends? Is that the band
that does the Big Booty mix or something like that?
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Put that on SoundCloud? Yeah, like Switches song?
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, it's like focused the focus.
It's like, right, you're about to get to the good
part of the song.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
It does rushure me because then like that, you know,
a good song will come on. I'm like, oh yeah,
and it changes. But I'm like the least music guy
in the weight room. Like I'm kind of one of
the older guys. Now they're like Joelie, get the music,
and I'm like, really don't want that responsibility right now,
you know, so I kind of let it flow.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
He always turns on how Chili Peppers.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
It's I do like Kelly Vibes is kind of like
what you listen to in those formative years like middle school,
high school, Like whatever you listen to.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
That's what you're going to go back to when you're
in your thirties and forties. Not to say you're old
or anything, Joel, but if you do like country in
the weight room but nobody else does, there's some good
country medim.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Mixes on SoundCloud.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
MC forty is like a DJ group that does mix
ups and mashups with country and electronic, which is really good.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
So you guys should check that out. I feel like
that might be a crowd. Please.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
Jelly Rolls come out with some really yeah they don't
like some.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Hip hop country crossover that I feel like might appeal
to some anybody.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
Yeah, yes, broader audiences.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
So it's hard when you put on you know, Eric
Church and every song is a little slow, and.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Yeah, you don't want slow in the way room. I'm
getting old because we've had the rookie scene for us,
you know, doing thing, and I think I'm one for
like ten on doing what I say.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Everybody starts chanting and the like, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
I gotta I gotta help my music game. You're back
to your crossword puzzle. You're like, all right, you guys,
tell me what you're done. Yeah, well for another podcast.
Keep you sharp and engaged in your crossroads. But I
really appreciate you guys coming on the podcast today. We
should the best of luck the rest of the preseason
and as we start the season. Thank you, Thanks guys.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Hall of.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Hall, of all the fame, all.
Speaker 5 (35:30):
The walking Payton was a warrior running with bees and
rookies couldn't hold them. Wait up in one of his
creet as a creek through the zone. I am known
as a monster, the new Larry zarka ball and hall
going monks and somebody eatans and trying to stop Barry
Sanders and shunks in the game. You Justice Salamander never
had the boundary. Running through Yell Town, keep your head
up and rush. We looked like Jim Brown.
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