Welcome to DAWGS ONLY, a player-led podcast that gives listeners a glimpse of life on and off the field. Guests include alumni, coaches, front office, and friends of the Browns family. In the inaugural episode of "Dawgs Only," we're joined by the Florida Boys, Elijah Moore, Amari Cooper, Anthony Walker Jr., and Assistant GM Glenn Cook. The boys talk about growing up in Broward & Miami-Dade County, where youth football is a way of life. They also reminisce about high school glory days and how being surrounded by elite athletes pushed them to outwork the competition from a young age.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Dogs Only Podcast. This is Mari Cooper
Players Only. Let's get it.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Haul haul the f.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
What's up, Browns fans?
Speaker 4 (00:14):
This is a Walk Anthony Walker, linebacker from the Cleveland
Browns Number five. Welcome to the first episode of Dogs
Only Podcast, a player led podcast that dives.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Into who we are on and off the field.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
You'll hear from players, coaches, front office, and all the
great people that make up the Browns organization. Hopefully you'll
get a taste of what it's like to be in
this brotherhood. Appreciate you guys tuning in.
Speaker 5 (00:37):
All right, Browns fans, welcome to the first episode of
the Dogs Only Podcast, first player and coach led podcast.
So we're gonna let the crew introduce himselves, starting with Coop.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
I'm cool man, Marik Cooper. Uh, you already know where
we are from.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
From the crib. We a walk Anthony Walker, junior linebacker,
Elijah More receiver. Y'all ain't know what time it is.
I'm gonna cook since a GM working personnel, so big time,
big time.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
We're gonna start a little bit of a of a game.
The question will kind of be like who's most likely
to do X on the team. Who's most likely to
pay for dinner?
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Cool?
Speaker 4 (01:15):
So on the team? Yeah yeah cool? But the song
for so Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Who's most likely to cry? The movie? Elijah cry a movie?
You gotta be aligneman, right, I.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Feel like listen you would be like you would be like,
I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Bro, Like I really felt that, like bro, really like bro,
Like I went through that.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Talking what movie you cried on before? Though, like give
me movie I cried on? Man, that's a good question.
Ain't a lot that su straight, bro.
Speaker 6 (02:11):
Like the other day I watched it till again, Let looky,
let one go at the.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
End gonna be funny because like I was shorty, like
my first time ever like crying for for six years old.
I watched Friday Night Lights and that way I stopped
at the one. I was like, I felt that like
if I ever lost like that, boogle crwy like never
never play again. I just tell my coach I never
played him. That happened last movie. I don't remember crying
(02:38):
doing on movie.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Man, you had to. I'm trying to hold on, trying
to add all.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
I'm just saying, like.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Col just tried me to. Everybody said, you got a
sense of a side moving Uh. Who goes likely to
be a head coach on the t.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
His old his old boy.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Was a coach man. He's still coaching co He walking
be a coach for sure. He who's most likely to
dance at the club d B J J.
Speaker 7 (03:17):
Hes gonna cut up anywhere? Fact with nothing?
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Who's not allowed to pick the music? Who's most likely?
Like sa, yeah trip by.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Yo be t We like, we went like ten weeks
without playing music in the locker room, you'll start playing music.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
I say it was better off, but.
Speaker 6 (03:50):
Yeah, like yesterday to the locker room, he was like,
I'm about to play something. Y'all just gotta have like
an open mind. You start like that you already know
what up, like me and me and the song, and
then we're like you're looking at us, and we like, hell,
what is it?
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Is it?
Speaker 4 (04:11):
He just listens all too bro Like he go from
like techno disco country, they drop one booty song, they
go back to the.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Clays, Like he going from the South to the middle.
You're doing too much, Like, well.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Let's talk about growing up in Miami. I think that's
the main from Miami.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
I mean I grew up, I grew up I grew
up in two people from Miami.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
There we got but you know, you know what they
say though, like see all the dude from want to
be from Miami.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Negative. I mean it's true, but you know negative.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
You know that longer we got a little foundation, you know,
and then we got a mix, right because we got nah,
well there's three private school.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Yeah I want I want to Western first.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
Okay, yeah, so we got to mix private school, probably school, sure,
talk about it.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
No, I mean for me growing up, it was just
like I just saw like good football players. Like that's
why I grew up around My dad obviously been the
coach and all that. So like he's just telling me
to watch this person, watch this person, you know, see
how they play, see how they you know, move off
the field, like how they practice all that stuff. So
that's what I grew up watching. Like I told you, Mo,
like that's like minded no Western boys. I just like
(05:36):
I wanted to be just like them, like Sean span
Levonte David Like I was like, that's who I want
to be, you know, and whatever level that they was
doing it on, that's what I looked up to. So
I didn't really think about college NFL until they got
to college NFL Like, okay, I want to do that too.
So like when I was growing up, it was like,
I want to be the best player in literally football.
If you had that, like that's how you got your
(05:58):
respect because you was street ran a part like you
know what I'm saying, Like I wanted to be just
like that. So then you know, you start winning super
Bowls all that stuff, You're like, okay, I did that.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
You know.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Then Shawn them went to high school, they went to
the West Best you the best player?
Speaker 3 (06:12):
What did you play?
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Never the best player on my team. I played quarterback.
I just remembered all the plays. So coach like, that's
the only thing.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
We need somebody to hand the ball off and you know,
throw the ball to the best player. So I told you.
I just told him that.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
We was walking down, I was like, I remember my
coach told me, like only one player going to the NFL.
And I looked around. I'm like, damn, I'm like the
seventh best player on the team. I ain't going.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
I gotta find something else to do.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
And then I talked to my coach, like when I
first went to college, he was like, you know, I
was talking about you, like back then, like I knew
he was going to the NFL. Like he never, you know,
never told me this or nothing. He was just like,
but you worked hard, you know, you did everything right.
You wasn't like the most talented yet, but you was like,
you know you you just did everything fundamentally right.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
I was like, yeah, I ain't.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
I had no clue because I played with some gangsters,
like they was real, real good. The same thing, I know,
what cool, same thing with more like I've seen growing
up in high school, that boy, that boy five, Like.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
I mean, I feel like growing up in Miami for me,
like it was a real unique experience.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
The first thing that.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
I didn't notice back then that I noticed now in
retrospect is like it's a melting pot.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Like I grew up.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Around you know, white black Hispanics, you know, going to
school with them all my life.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
It was a unique experience.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Now I look back on it being able to understand
like all manners of people. Yeah, but I think that's
what kind of separates us from a lot of people too,
from other places. But as far as the football side,
that's also a unique too, because it's like it's like
it's almost like a prerequisite of being like being good,
(07:50):
like are you good? Okay, so what you're supposed to
be good? Like like when I went to Bama for example,
like tusclose to Alabama, we had like Bolscar he was
like he was a player from tusc Loose and everybody
used to be talking about him and I checked out
his highlights and he was good. But like the respect
he was getting just for being good, it was just
like it's normal, Like you don't get that. You don't
(08:13):
get that coming up in Miami because it's like everybody good,
but he was like the standout good player, you know
what I'm saying. So it's like it's so much you
gotta do to really earn your respect, Like okay, you
good on the park, but every like pound on the
park are like five good players of the team.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
So it's like.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
What what's gonna separate you? And I think that's kind
of like that. That's what kind of molded me to
like the person I am to day too, is like
I ain't never want to do nothing to mess it up,
so like I ain't never want to smoke drink because
like all the people who was cold, like it was nice,
they'll get there, go to college d one, they'll get
a d y like damn, or they'll go to college
(08:49):
fella drug test and they'll like kind of derailed their career.
And so that's why I was like, I ain't trying
to do nothing to that's this up. So I ain't
to this day, never picked a bottle, never roll the blunt,
like just trying to make it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
But yeah, I mean my experience.
Speaker 6 (09:10):
I think that's the good part though, because like with
me being younger than them y'all and everybody here, I
feel like my uh my mentors, my older people around
me always tell me like, like you don't be knowing nobody,
you know what I'm saying, Like you got to know
them boys, like you gotta know it. Like, but I
feel like in a way, it like was a good
(09:31):
thing for me and all the people around us because
we already there's so many good people, so you already
don't look at it. It's like you know, people call
it like you know, you on that board till you
know what I'm saying, Like, but like home, you know,
you know, but at home, it's like everybody's good.
Speaker 7 (09:50):
So it's like, Okay, he's raw but like what is
he doing now?
Speaker 6 (09:53):
It's a certain level, Like there's certain like doors, right,
so I feel like you make it past the first door,
which was like high school, you being that boy, and
then now you're in college and you that boy. You
know what I'm saying, Like that's like the first door.
And in the league, you know what I'm saying, Like
who's still lasting in the league? And now there's this
last door, you know what I'm saying of like, okay,
past second contract, who's going to make it to the
(10:15):
Hall of Fame?
Speaker 3 (10:16):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (10:16):
And there's not many of us that still make it
to that last door, you know. So that's why it's
like before a before you, it was like okay, maybe
ab you know what I'm saying, But he has his
examples going on whatever life is life, and you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (10:29):
But now it's like you, Lamar, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (10:32):
You still like we got examples to make it past
that last door. So I bring that back to like
not knowing anybody. I think that's a good thing because
it's like when you don't really like you be in
your own little world. I think it's good, so he
us less distractions. You're watching everybody else so much. Of course,
you got to have the perspective, but you got to
do your own thing because you don't want to mess
it up.
Speaker 7 (10:51):
We have a lot of examples of what not to do.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
Yeah, I think Coop hit it too, because that was
my thing. So I started playing baseball first, like I
started base five five like my mom. I was being
just raised by my mom at the time, so she
was comfortable with that sports. She went really into the contact.
So I let the football. I was like, yo, like, man,
if I'm gonna it was a matter of like what
(11:13):
I make the team the first year, and I was
like athletic, but it was.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Like the dud hitting a little.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
A little heavy, like down there, like that's the first
it's full past first day. Man, I'll never forget it.
But it's just like it creates that It just creates
that internal like drive kind of how you were talking about,
because you're like, yo, I'm not I'm not going to
be that dude who looked bad on Saturday, Like I can't.
I don't want to be that guy that's six because
(11:40):
it's just that it's just that energy like when.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
I get there when you're winning, mad.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
To get to get sixth places?
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Like what was crucial in six players?
Speaker 4 (12:00):
My dad's do this all the time for that way
receivers and running around like running off, were running the ball.
Every that's.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Can't put that, well, kick give up a little or something.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Line up the receiver number sixty six. They running go ball,
We run the ball.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Get Yeah. They want to be the sixth player. Can't
be a six player game. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
So it just pushed me to like, all right, what's
my age. You know what I mean, I'm gonna make it.
You know, I'm gonna push.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
When I came when I was coming up, I think
my second grade, I was I was seven. So that
was one that was like the last year that they
allowed us in Miami.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Pop wanted to play night games.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
It was like the last year because like this because
everybody used to be betting, like like like you know
what I'm saying, the Cherriot play like literally city, you
gotta think, like looking back, it was normal and I'm looking.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Back like, oh, it's nine years old. You've been like
fifteen hundred on the game. Five that was on the
game and then like.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Your team would lose shooting people like dying on the
park or like people get so mad. He's just shooting
it just so Like I couldn't play there because I
remember coming up, we're playing night games. Game it's crazy,
but it was no more night games like after like
one oh.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Two, like you played in if IL.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Yeah, we always had so when I got a little older,
they knew the big bets was the bigger pounds.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
But you earlier little kids that night, so I.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Know I probably wanted to start.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
That's at that game.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Put the shill on man, you everything.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
You gotta good, you gotta be. We called it splaped up.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
You got cimetary like.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Cemetary on these ladies. I had a mirror shield on
the trip, Monk.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
I still want to face man to this day.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Got the trip with the ship, trip with the ship
the Wristmans with your number on. You gotta have your
numbers Brisbane with your number on you put the tape
around the face.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Man, you got to cleick like you gotta be.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
What's the first thing. That's the first thing I had
to find out when I got the livery city.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Who made the Risbane? Who made all the time? What
did on twenty seven thirty I want.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
To I forgot, late boy. I want to damn what
it was called.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
It was like, mister, that's what you know I called.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
So I had to catch the train and the buscket
I you already had every day had they had flip
to my spinning like brother, face matter trip My members
caught fifty five dollars, was like fifty that y'all.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Y'all want to back the back like the fly.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
You gotta have rip to the end the fly back.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Then I ain't had a rip. Now you gotta have
mona I had.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
But listen, you gotta have a rib to in the
flat so your flapp can hang load. Y'all.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Look, if you just put the flap on the on
the shoulder pads, like how we doing, your flat gonna
be like on your back. But you know it was
flapped up to have your flat.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Don't like you run like yeah nothing.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
It's like we used to play like so speaking on
the culture like growing up like every day, especially in
some of my homies, because I used to wake up
like my homies to come knock on the door with
the football already to play. So we used to play
like tournaments and like you know, we ain't have enough
like money all the time for like ripe flat, especially
like in the off season. So we used to like
(15:51):
I promise you we're like get a shoe, stream from
our shoe tied on around the waist.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Get a book, find.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
A book, a hard couple of books.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
You as your back.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Like the hood, Like we got our T shirt number
on the shirt, put the shirt on the stream around.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
The way the hart the hard cover book as a flap.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Yeah, Like I played football every day growing up. Like
that was like that's what I did, Like me Rayshaw,
my cousin who died Fred, like it was us three
and then we'll pick somebody younger than us. We always
play two on two, like we'll be the quarterback with
sometimes d be the quarterback.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
We just played every day like every day.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
That's the coach of one on one football, Like can
you be like you're my best player? Like even growing
up thinking about like you had like three four good players,
but are your three folk good players better than the
other team three folk good players?
Speaker 2 (16:50):
All that matter? That's that's what it is.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
That's the show, like son I talk about yesterday when
he was doing it, just like we go to coach
slot on Sunday, one on one for like coach and
tell us like if you want to come get better
fundamental culture, come on Saturday. If you want to become
a man, come on Sunday. Like five star, full star.
(17:11):
If you could survive out there, you was good.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
And so how y'all got into football? Because I know
with me.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
I got into football when I was four, I moved
to the projects. I guess we should stay in these apartments.
Moved to the projects, and it was this dude who
came my best friend named Ray Shaw. He was he
was a year older than me, and like everybody in
the projects, everybody in the grove in general, like play football,
but in the project, like the whole thing was tackle,
(17:38):
like tackle all day, every day up taple and I
just fell in love at like five six years old,
Like that's that's cool, Like that's how how became like
a football player. Then then when I started going to school,
was going to my after school program. Same thing, like
you finish your homework as fast as you can go
play football. That's how I got into that because I
(18:01):
did that like for three years before I even played
organized football. I started from organized football like seven eight,
but by the time I got on the field, I
already do. I was already good, like I already know
what to do. So how y'all always got into football?
Speaker 3 (18:14):
For me? It was my older brother. I got older,
I got an older.
Speaker 6 (18:17):
Brother, and he like love football play defense. So he
used to have me in front of the yard saying
stand right here, tackling and trying.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
To like saying right here.
Speaker 6 (18:33):
And I'm gonna just run bro all the way until
I was like five six brand Now my uncle, uh,
he loved football too, so he used to make us
go at it like the hit insuris so anything kind
of like non physical. I wasn't really with it or
racing stuff like that, like if I raced my brother
and I lost, Like I wasn't really talking to my
(18:53):
brother for a couple of days until like we won again,
until I won again.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
And.
Speaker 6 (19:00):
It kind of got to the point where I like
would always quick be like, nah, I'm doing I'm not
doing that normal. I love basketball with me like mic
every day while dunking shoes, I used to write my
name and the shoes and all that. And then finally
I played little League and the first year I ain't
(19:20):
know the holes I ain't know nothing.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
I just was fascinating. Sprints came.
Speaker 6 (19:24):
I wannt losing nothing, and the coaches were like, okay,
bro fast. Like then second year, I had a girl coach,
and she should just tell me, like get the ball,
run as fast as you can to the outside, don't
get touched.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
The thing player a bet started scoring.
Speaker 6 (19:43):
Touchdowns and I see everybody in the stands turning up
like years when I'm just running back, just sliding. So
that's that's really how it started for me.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
You said how you said, yeah, ain't I ain't like football?
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (19:59):
No, my first year having to play organized football, I
swore I put this on everything I love. Maybe I
told you I was already playing, but like I wasn't
playing organized football yet, so I was supposed to play
sixty five. That was the past. First time on the
park under the pee week, my sister walking me out there.
They were doing hitting drill.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Make a man take what they're doing for no reason,
like hamburger.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
They threw the drill, but like what they do that
way to watch like your first expression, you know I
did doing this, but they heard.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Nah.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
But then that next year, like that next year, I
just wanted to play like all my friends.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Everybody was playing.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
My part was coaching already, so I was like two
first time already in there, like I'm watching the boy.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Do all this stuff. Organized football. So funny I was.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
When I was growing up. My dad never let me play.
He never let me. He was like, you're gonna get hurt.
You're gonna get her catchying that. So I used to
always watch the kids do it. I'm like, like, I
want to go out there. He never let me do that,
so I'm like, all right, So he find four years old,
you know, when we don't know if he was going
when you when you did y'all do this.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
But we played pee wee pe we was five to
eight years old.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Nah, he was like five pee we was five to
eight years old.
Speaker 7 (21:24):
Y'all had different I was probably like four to six.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
I was just five to eight, So a big difference, man,
he was. So I played when I.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Was four, played go play for you know this clause
that know. My dad like I'm gonna take care and
make sure he's good. First made me hit the eight
year old.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
That would hit me so hard.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
I cried from the start of practice. I told my
part like I said, I can't go back and he
hit me like that, like you know.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
I remember dude name and all, like I know the
dude hit me everything. He ended up being good, end
up being like good. I got to, but he was
the biggest hell when we was playing Little league, So
I said, damn, like I can't play no more.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Like I really like, now you got to like that's
part of it.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
And I have seen these same kids my dad coach
do these saying drill like so like when people talk
about like hitting drill like you counting to see like
I didn't do that.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
I gotta go.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
That.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I ain't know different. I was like, I fix my chance.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
So like so every time after that, like since ever
we do hitting your first day, every time on to
I go ahead, we're good, Like yeah, we're good.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
I know.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
And if I know, I gotta go against somebody chins
drop bucking all the way up mouth.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
He's in and we gotta go cry the whole practice
tu tho.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
My first year playing, so like we're doing hitting drills,
like if you looking like you.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Timid, you know what they're gonna do again?
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Not another person?
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Can you go against two people? Now, I gotta get
two no boy like sales, Like.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
I thought, look, I want to do no more like
especially when you but it's funny because like the next
day you like but I can't because like they're gonna put.
Speaker 6 (23:08):
Two people and be like but that's when you start
really like finding your dog.
Speaker 7 (23:13):
Yeah, okay, I am kind of.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Not start thinking about your take you go home. I
got to hit. I showed a.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
Little bit like that's what that's what a little brother
come in because I did that to my little brother
too that I was trying to practice.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Right like you were trying to to say, like your
brother like bully.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Put him back up against the bed. So at least
we didn't hit the flow. Though my brother to be.
Speaker 6 (23:43):
Real pass on like put his path on, getting not
to set the path stand right here, stand right here,
trant to run at you and just I'm.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
He's just gonna be like you doing this.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
But once I like, once I got that confidence of
like hitting drills like that thing, I'll be seeing the
post to be like made a lot of basketball players like,
once you like get over that fear of hitting, like
because I remember I had I played with a dude
he was so good at football, but he was like
he was known for like shaking people like you know
what I'm saying, hit Like I just be like like, no,
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we don't do that, and like this is first time
playing like we don't do that. I knew he was
gonna be good though. He was like we don't do that.
We kept doing it, like he just he just used
to it. I remember they made that way bulling the rings.
They're like you and learn how to take a hit,
Like you gotta learn how to take a hit. That's
my first time ever seeing that. I was like, I
felt so bad for him, like he's just known for.
(24:49):
Like he was like, nah, I want you to stand
there and like are you shape? People keep doing it?
Speaker 1 (24:55):
God that bull in the ring, bro, But it's gonna
make you a man. Man.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
Let me ask you this because it just made me
think about this, Like what's because I got I got
an answer, Like what's like one thing y'all learned from football?
Like playing football being a part of the game set
it all, I think for me because I like I
think through just like my career and also just like
life kind of all the stuff we talking about, just
like being able to handle adversity, you know, Like I
think if you're not putting these situations where you like
(25:28):
I think about like when I first got to Miami,
even like I was a three star. I don't know,
I don't even think I should have been there, but
I was a three star, and like I talked, I
was walking to the library, I was talking to my mom.
I was like, yo, Ma, I think I need to
come home like this saying it ain't good.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Enough to be here.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
You know, but it just it just forced you to
like compete, you know what I mean, and like fight
through adversity because we're all going to face it. And
even now like we look through life, like now that
I'm working, I don't face some different pathsive adversity that's
not sports related, but because but since I was nine
years old, it's like every year you got to compete
for your job every year, you like you not that
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dude went to high school, Like it was the same
thing where I was in a different school, gjority white school,
like private school, having to like learn new people, understand
how to communicate with different teammates.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Like we had a little low key.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
Like uh misunderstanding, remember the titant type thing when I
first got there. You know what I mean so like
like it forces you to like come out of that
comfort zone understand like life is bigger than just like
that little box that you in. So like I think
that's the biggest thing. If I'm fortunate, because if I
didn't play sports, I would have just because I'd be
low key man like I don't I just be around
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my people. But it forced you to open up, you know,
and like experience different things.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
So I don't know, I feel like I learned a
lot of lessons from football.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
I think one of my favorite ones is, like football,
the game gonna humple you, Like the game gonna humple
you automatically. So it's like a reminder of stay grounded.
No matter who you are, you could be. You could
be the best player in the world. Like it's gonna
humble you in some way, Like you could get you
can you can have your first two seasons, you go
(27:10):
for two thousand yards, and you be hurt the rest
of your career. What I'm saying, like it's gonna find
a way to humble you. You know what I mean,
So stay grounded. You know, It's like those who humble
themselves will be exalted. Those who exalt themselves will be humbled.
Just gotta you can never be too high and never
be too low. Just just stay grounded, like stay humbled.
And I think that's my favorite thing about football, Like
(27:32):
I don't know, yeah, no.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
I think sports in general.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
Like I watched this video the duke on women's basketball
coach Carol Loins, and she said, like handling hard better,
you know, because like I always think this, Like I
talked my dad. I used to always think, like, you know,
you get to this level and be smooth, like you
know what I'm saying, Or I get to high school
and be straight. I get to college, Like once I
get to college, I'm good, like I'm straight. Once I
(27:55):
get to the NFL, I'm like I'm straight, like I'm
being an NFL I'm good. I used to always say that,
And like she said, like you don't get like it
don't get easier. You just learn how to handle hard better,
you know what I'm saying, Like stuff just happened to you.
Like you know, when I was in college, like freshman year,
I wanted to like doing nothing for really, I was
(28:16):
just you know, I was just on the team. I
red shirted, like I'm chilling, like you know what I'm saying.
I'm going to practice every day, but it's like I'm
just going, like, you know what I'm saying, I ain't
even really trying, Like I'm just like I'm better than
these dudes that's playing in front of me, but I
ain't playing this just I'm just chill like that my
first time, you know the crib, ain't.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
No red shirt? Like, ain't no.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Yeah, you play.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
Once you play as a kid, you you a start
of pretty much your whole career. I get to college,
I'm like, damn, red shirt, I ain't I can't play
the game. I'm chilling. Well, y'all tripping, So I know
none of y'all is probably the redshirt. Soy y'all know
what I'm talking about. But when you read shirt, it's
like I ain't doing nothing. Like it was so humbling.
So my coach is like, man, you might need a transfer,
(28:56):
Like you know, you don't.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
You don't fit what we're trying to do.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
Yeah, all right, Like I ain't really show y'all nothing yet,
Like so I told my dad, but I was like,
I mean, what you want to do?
Speaker 3 (29:07):
I like I got at least.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
Showed them, but I could play before I leave, like right,
like all right, so go through spring ball. Go through
spring ball, start really like taking it seriously. I knew
I coul play football, but I just like showing that
like I'm practicing, you know what I'm saying. So I'm like,
a right, I'm just start making plays. Catch a pit
every day, every day. I quarter picked spring ball my
sophomore year still had a re like I had a
(29:30):
redshirt singing in front of me though, So I was like,
I bet like you get hurt, Like I'm going there,
I'm a snap. They already started rotating me in a
little bit. I remember that boy got hurt. Third game,
fourth game playing Penn State White. I'm about to snap,
like might just go crazy. I go out there, one
hundred and ten thousand homecoming. I'm like, damn that shit. Real,
Like I said, this is a stage like this. You know,
(29:54):
we played in Miami, but this is a stage. Like
you realize that this is a stage. So I go
out there and it's like I was on autopil like
I ain't had no fans or not.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
I just started playing ball. Snap pick.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
Everything stay first off ever like the week that week,
like everything, and then like you know, go through that right,
So then I get drafted fifth round, like fifth round,
Like I'm better than all these dudes, Like why am
I going to fifth round? But like it's just like
I kept saying, like if I like, once I get
(30:27):
like to that next up, it's gonna get easier, get harder,
like just get harder and you just learn how to
handle it easy, like the hardness of it, like being
in the league, Like like you said, humble every day.
I get humbled every day. Just just do like not
even like if I could have a great day, it's
just like damn.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
That's it's almost like a calyst every day.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
You just get hard every day. That's how I feel.
Speaker 6 (30:48):
But like what people don't even sometimes parents will, I think, parents,
do you know a better job with from where we're
from because everybody plays sports, But like organized sports, teach
you discipline, like teach you life. You know, even if
you can't see it, like right now, you know, and
we won't realize these things until we get older, you
know what I'm saying, Like, teach you how to listen
to your coaches.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
You can't talk bad. You gotta do this.
Speaker 7 (31:08):
You gotta stand at this cone and go to that
cone and you.
Speaker 6 (31:12):
Gotta you know what I'm saying, teach you so much
stuff and we won't realizing until like maybe in high school,
in college or even you know, in the in the league.
But yeah, man, as far as you know that holy
experience of what football can do for you and and
teach you, I feel like it teach you how to
be a man, you know, teach you how to get
(31:33):
ready for your kids, how you get ready to be
the person that you want to be later.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
You know. So football is humbling.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
Football has many experiences of ups and downs, like if
you look at every other sport, I feel like, right
like I was just talking to someone about this the
other day.
Speaker 7 (31:49):
Football players, we be married, we be this, you know.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (31:52):
We were more structure than most people.
Speaker 6 (31:54):
And I feel like, obviously we got more players, so
it's a more of a harder task to be on
the field. Our life is kind of like this when
obviously a lot of people in other sports, but they
have less players, less things going on, so their life
kind of can be a little different.
Speaker 7 (32:08):
So I feel like football just teach you how to
get through things.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
From my perspective, I remember my man, my high school
coach to the point, like the discipline stuff like just
to like tucking in your shirts, everything touching the line you.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
Talking about high school like literally part we was just
talking about parks. Like my part had a rule like
you know, you like sanitary of every color. We were
so organized. People said black shots only that's like it's
like you do white socks on the end, Like I'm
like black, can't those sleeves or nothing like how my
part would like no, if you like everybody had to
(32:42):
look the same for real, Like literally when I got
to pay high school, like.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Laying you gotta get swaggy out there, and I ain't
never gonna not look you know, but I want to paste.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
It was like the same thing I had, you know,
college mind a head coach workouts in the summer in
the summertime. Miami. You're like, coach Sam is crazy like that.
But like, no, like you, I still couldn't be this.
I ain't never lose something. I ain't to you, I
didn't I ain't lose something.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
God bless, think about it. If everybody went to Miami,
that's the thing I was. It was just like that too.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
But you see, Miami would have been right though now
they changed that.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
It used to be that though, Like they changed it
so it was never like everybody could go to Miami,
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Like, bro, Miami.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
After a certain point, it's like they started reverencing like
out of states, like telling I went, I was going
to Miami camps.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
So I'm making dudes fall out there like I don't
finna get an offer, like and.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
But then when another school offer, you then like off me,
now you want to offer me, Like.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
That's what happened with me.
Speaker 6 (33:53):
I was killing I went today, we had like a
seven or seven there. I was snapping and none of
them only like the really had it there, you know,
the offer offensive players wasn't really getting it. And then
all of a sudden, like them on house state offer
and now maman once you know what I.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
Was like, I'm from y'all should been the first school
with that fact. Y'all saw me every day. Yeah, I
told about my Miami story. Is his man, man, they
want to recruit meself. I was a private school guy.
Speaker 6 (34:19):
Mine said I was a seven or seventh player? Said
what I was seven or all I did was shape
like I was seven or seventh player.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Yeah, we ain't fixed it yet, but hopefully.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
See, I ain't had no office when I went to
my I wanted to even camp like three times in
the same year to.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Get office so bad.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
So like, I ain't had no office. So that's not
that's why I ain't want to offer me. But like
I felt like, well, I was making the most players
out of interercy whatever. I just ain't had no office.
So I go to BAMA Camp in Florida State Camp,
same situation like, but they offered me though, Like so
now boys want to come back and offer me. I'm like, bro,
I done been to y'all camp, like where y'all offered
me learn right, like.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
I'd be showing you already the top of time. Yeah,
thank you, mad recruit.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
You like we always come on because I was.
Speaker 5 (35:04):
Thinking about when you were playing in the National Championship.
Had to be what three years ago because Josh Joe
was still there, Pat was still there. The whole secondary
was from from Yeah Joe.
Speaker 6 (35:18):
We used to play them boys, like you know some
people used to you know, you play Bamma.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
They be like, oh my god, my eyes. I'm like.
Speaker 6 (35:29):
Literally the whole back safety, line back and linebackers, safety
corner crib.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
I'm like, man, I gotta go with Like I don't know,
I feel like everything be coming for a circle.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Like, h what's his name? Patrick Certain? Like I grew
up watching he played for the Dolphins.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
He comes to us in the seven or seven Express that.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Saying for Express.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
I think we used to practice at his house some times,
like David and Davy got big.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (35:59):
Cert was like like I've been playing and certaining them
since Lily. It's funny playing.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Yes, Yeah, crazy was like so if I was sixteen
South Florida Express, Certain, what he probably like what twenty
four age twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
That's what six years he was like teen or whatever
years old, Like he.
Speaker 6 (36:29):
Was a little kid walking around you and whatever be
the lead like crazy crazy.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
That's crazy. Yeah, say the best player I've ever seen
like growing up sh t. Yeah that's different.
Speaker 7 (36:44):
I'm gonna say, uh, Duke Johnson.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
I was just about to say that I want to
hear a cool sitter.
Speaker 7 (36:51):
Oh no, it's like from where we're from.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
Yeah, Like, dude was so electric, Like I've never seen
the player like that ever. Six This is a game
like that boy playing against Eybody's always talking about dude.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Due.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
I'm like, like they're just saying Miami like playing in hospital.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Yeah yeah, I said, I was at the game when
they played job.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
I said, now he's going against the West now, so
we don't really see if he really liked that.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
Like first play, like they ran like a little jet sweep.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
The first place.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Look break, So look all week theyre talking about we
got to set the tone, say first play, were on defensive.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
First play, even want everybody to jump off sides first.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Play and hit him in the mount, Like, look, you
don't want to side see if he.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Boy jumped off side poom except for like a corner
and like I don't think the safety move. Everybody jumped
out side.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Our linebacker like ran up and try to like hit
Duke in the mouth. Dude, slim, that boy's hit him
in the mouth. Some boys hot, so buty, like we
don't set the talk. Like first player of the game,
it's first and five. You know they got the fire
off jumping outside first player of the game. Stop, second plate, stop,
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third stop it's fourth and five. I'm like, oh yeah,
we man, they must have fake you know how you
fake it to the full back and picture to the
runner back.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
They pictured the dude.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
We had him bro right there, dude head and sprayed
for about sixty bro. I said, oh I have along
with Look we get the ball, we're on offense.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
I bummed it up.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
Score. That's what I remember.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
Seven seven, it's a birthday. It's seven seven. I go
to the car. I put this on everything I love.
I say, into that kick the ball he back there,
don't kick it to him.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
And I never said on the northern side, by the way,
sitting on Norman side, I just want to get what
they do. He created like I'm understand.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
Right, so all don't kid the three don't care.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
Everybody kept saying that. So they kicked it to him
before he caught the ball, like oh my, and.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
They had him wrapped up and everything like kick again,
kicking for the rest of the game.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
I ain't gonna lie, bro.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
He scored three times, but he's the plays he made
was like like he was.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Was faceball park. I ain't gonna lie to the game.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
I had to like you did the thing you that boy,
like like.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
You did the thing to you just ain't no running back.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
So yeah, I say that, but like but even that though,
like du like he just wasn't running back.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
He'll go whatever they needed for that game. I remember
they played Sammy walking them in the game to go
to state.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
For they can't out play game go to State. The
transpar I NEVERELYE said, I don't want to play running
back to day. I'm guard whatever by s catching out
and one not one catch they.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Say, because look look during school that week, the boys
like what dude say, he's gonna stick you.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
I'm like what that means? Was like, man, that man
is a running back. But he ended up sticking to
that game.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
He's talking about.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
They said, like the high school, like, no change the
high school, like they didn't make the playoffs before he
got there. He get there, they made the playoff. Every
year they win the state. They go to state twice.
He leaves, they ain't been back to they've been back.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
That's no listen.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
I ain't gonna lie. I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
This is the crazy story I got about. Do I
swear to God this that year this I see I
see him. It's playoff game, bro Like second game of
the playoffs, fourth quarter, like four minutes left them board
down like seventeen something crazy. So I go to sleep
because they game. I think it got postponed to someone
know it was late. So I'm how you see the
updates in the Facebook. I'm like, damn lost, Bro.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
In the morning, I know was twenty one nothing, Duke,
even like four minutes. They ain't changed the game plan though.
You know you're down to you to throw the ball.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
No no, no, no no our formation, counter toss lead
get a ball number three.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
But listen, it's like three four left in the game.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
I go to sleep, Bro, I go to school the
next day, I say, damn brod no loss.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
You're like, I want due score like three times minute level.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
I know he had.
Speaker 4 (41:47):
I think that's the year he had like probably like
fifteen US and the play on.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Like the whole season, dude, score like three four times
every game he scored five times and s listen.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
Listen's team hundred listen.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
He already had a great season. And the playoffs alone
had like like fifteen hundred yards.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
That's three four games.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
That's the season. That's crazy four games. He was different.
But I'm just straight. Even his first year at Miami,
but he went fair. No fact, I don't think he
should in the Miami though.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
The station I think he I think he got too
big when he got.
Speaker 7 (42:21):
He did like he got he got.
Speaker 4 (42:23):
Yeah, I feel like there's certain players like that just
don't need to stay in Miami, like don't need to
go to the youth, like.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
Like he was making Miami like that. Though actually, hell, I.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
Don't feel like it's Miami, and I feel like I
feel like it's like people don't like to admit it,
but sometimes you would be the situation of your team,
like you could go.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
To one team.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
That's what I'm saying certain way, but I don't think
it's the team. I don't think it's Miami.
Speaker 4 (42:51):
They like Okay, core Hair, it's just like what he
ran if he go to what.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
You're saying on is like the pressure, Like I think
that's different.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
He was to bail.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
That way. He was a quarterback, but again he was
a quarterback's.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Sist.
Speaker 4 (43:15):
Okay, Shawnsman had a great coge career, all that stuff, right,
Shawn Stairs went to you, Lavonte David.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
We had never heard of him before that.
Speaker 4 (43:23):
Von David played on the same you went to the
web La mate said, David played on that O seven
West End. Right, he didn't go to you.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
He was the Juko. They went in Nebraska, went in Nebraska.
They was like, who the Like they don't know that. Yeah,
level was not.
Speaker 4 (43:39):
He had one hundred and eighty four tackles in a
twelve game college football season.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
One hundred and eighty four times. You know, hard hold
one hundred eighty boys hard.
Speaker 4 (43:48):
In the NFL, you played sixteen seventeen games, every game,
twelve games, he making it every time, every tackle. I'm
trying so and then like in the league, Like, don't
get me wrong, Sean had got hurt all that stuff,
but like you you can't tell me like if Vonte
went to Miami or Seawan didn't go to Miami, he
went somewhere else, Say Sean go playing a big ten.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
It's way different, I think. So that's like saying that
for all of us, Like that's what you think. A
lot of kids go leave.
Speaker 7 (44:11):
That suite from any like skilled player.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
Who But that's what I'm saying. But that proved that
is not Miami.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
It's more so the system and the situation that you
in because think about the Miami has had coaching changes.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
So the team and it's been different. Yeah, the team
has been different. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (44:26):
Like I'm thinking about different offenses, like all three years
or something, we switched even due probably with different offenses.
Speaker 7 (44:36):
You know something, My offenses don't like small guys.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
Get out of the go to go play somewhere. You
feel me, I think, so go play somewhere.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
Boys and had a chance for no quarter back.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
Then you got to if you wanted to.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
But if you wanted to leave, you had to sit
out a whole Yeah, like, who's trying to do that?
Speaker 3 (44:53):
I wanted to leave. You kind of looked at as
like you're running from the competition. Yeah, definitely. Nowadays you
leave and everyone yeah when.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
No, Like bro, most people don't even know this. When
I went to the West, I transferred from Gable, went
to the West tenth grade. I had to catch the
bus in the train. Now, like you don't even know.
You don't even know, thise, I ain't play that whole year.
I had number eighty three game days. I had to
wear a big pass the past. I'm going to bitch
the whole year for the first time in my life.
(45:27):
You know, Yeah, I want to bitch the whole the
whole now. I had already transferred from games sophomore. It's
my tenth grade year.
Speaker 6 (45:34):
Man, I think I did hear, but listen, I did
not know that I had already transfer.
Speaker 3 (45:39):
That says because you got hurt.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
Oh ain't heard year my eleventh grade year.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
That's why I ain't had no office going into my
senior year. So my tenth grade year, I'm catching bro
I'm catching the bus in the train to school, man,
just to sit on the bench with number eighty three,
big pass.
Speaker 3 (45:54):
The numbers really matter.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
Number but no, no, no, no, no, like it can't be life.
And then watch this, I'm catching the bust and the
train back home. You know the bus and the train
run runs slow at nighttime.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
I'm getting home.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
I'm getting to the grove like at ten ten thirty,
walking back to walking back through the hood, or like
I could hit the whist was like tripping all the
way to the west.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
He was ain't even playing like he tripping.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
Like but just to watch this my eleven and twelfth
grade year, I had that redemption of to prove everybody wrong,
like oh he going to the west for no reason.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
Then to go and start get off of from Bama
or whatever. Whatever.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
That felt so God, I feel like that's lost. It's
like as soon as you face a little bit of adversity,
you're running, you running from it, like you can't run
from it forever, forever.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
It's gonna catch up with you. So you might as
well learn how to do it early. Real.
Speaker 6 (46:45):
My whole love League team, they they like, went to
the same school at first, and then I went to
the school that was districts for it, because you know,
it was like that rule at first, you know, where
you couldn't go.
Speaker 7 (46:56):
From where you lived, you know, So that's how it was.
Speaker 6 (46:59):
Yeah, So I went to Western at first, and I'm
thinking I'm good enough to be on varsity right then
in there, you know what I'm saying, man, whatever they
was like my brother turned every and now he liked that.
Speaker 3 (47:11):
Da da da.
Speaker 6 (47:12):
But then they made me play one game on JV
score five touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (47:16):
Come back.
Speaker 6 (47:17):
Now they moved me up and now I got to
play in front of this kid. He had five touchdowns
the week after and the game be pat five touchdowns,
game winning touchdown, like two minutes left, blurted up on
the right side. He thinking that boy, so bruh get
hurt like five games in, so now it's my time
to go.
Speaker 3 (47:35):
I got number thirty six. So that's crazy. I number
slide thirty.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
Six on one hundred and thirty pound.
Speaker 6 (47:43):
Bro, sixty, I want sixty, Bro, I'm won sixty like
soaking wet, I'm really like one fifty something. Yeah, And
I just sco and after that it kind of like
got better, but the year still was like by him
when he got back. Then I go to Saint Thomas
and they played like seniority out there at first, like
because the kids been there, like the receivers. There was
(48:06):
Mike Harley, it was Trey Autumn boys, right, And I
come in and we got this new we got this
new receiver. So off the rip, they're not letting me
like get busy right away. I'm saying, I'm not getting
in until like the sixth player of the game, because
like the starters got to play like the first drive.
Speaker 3 (48:24):
No matter what. In the first drive, Saint Thomas is scoring,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (48:28):
So it's like it's like I can't score until like
third fourth quarter, and you score third fourth quarter, We're
going it out.
Speaker 3 (48:34):
Nobody's in the stands. So I'm like my mom and
them come to the game.
Speaker 6 (48:38):
I'm crying every day, Bron, I'm like don't even come
to the game, you know, like because they.
Speaker 3 (48:44):
Seeing me go crazy.
Speaker 6 (48:46):
And then next next thing, you know, like Tom going
and I got the redemption, Like I was like I
got to really show like okay, like this is what
I could do.
Speaker 3 (48:53):
I'm getting back.
Speaker 6 (48:53):
But now a lot of people who run from that,
you know, they'll they'll get those moments and it's not
going right for them, even though it's not even you
really it's not even that serious something. You just gotta
thug it out. You know, it's gonna it's gonna get
you right, you know, because the hungry you get just
got the hard Yeah, I gotta work. Somebody told me
this a little example. It was like, spend that like
because when you spend it, you're gonna work hard.
Speaker 3 (49:15):
So you can get it back.
Speaker 8 (49:15):
No fact, obviously don't don't do that.
Speaker 3 (49:21):
I obviously don't think the situation.
Speaker 6 (49:23):
But when you spend money, and like the way money
is viewed, it's like, yo, you spend something, better work
to get it.
Speaker 3 (49:29):
You're gonna do your hardest to get it back.
Speaker 6 (49:31):
So that was my perspective, like I bet some on
gonna make me hungry to like never make a mistake.
You know what I'm saying when that person mayo, if
you want a mistake away from me, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 8 (49:41):
So look that's how I looked at it, same thing,
like it just being an NFL bro, Like I tip
you all time that they drafted to replace you every year,
no care.
Speaker 4 (49:54):
Like every year like nah somebody first time. I third
he better than you, Like he's supposed to be better
than you. I'm a fifth rounder, Like I literally going
there with a mindset like every life, every wave by
the phone cut they like, don't nobody call me like
I might get like even when I'm like a starter,
capain whatever, like bro, I might get cut.
Speaker 3 (50:13):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (50:13):
I always had that mindset because like somebody always working,
you know what I'm saying. Not even that like they
they want somebody, it's a business. They want somebody to
replace you, Like this is what it is. So like
I was telling I was talking to these kids in
my high school, I'm like, you know, the reason, like
I'm really fortunate to be in the NFL is like
every year, like they want somebody to replace me, And
(50:34):
I go in with a mindset that you gotta beat
me out every day for my job, like because I'm
gonna do everything right every day. I'm gonna go to
every meeting about take league. I'm talking about every day,
like every day you gotta beat me. A training camp
is a loan. It's six weeks. You can't do one
week better than me or theay better than me, Like
you gotta do this every day. And I'm gonna just
(50:55):
be consistent every day and do my job doing i'm
suposed to every day and if somebody better than me,
you got to be better than me every day and
that's my redemption every like like it's.
Speaker 3 (51:05):
It was ten linebackers taking them before me.
Speaker 4 (51:07):
It's like three of us still standing, see and like
that was like right when the time, like Jake supposed
he was like this, she was still around a decade
from now, Like that's my mindset, like.
Speaker 3 (51:17):
Ten years, like I always have people. How many you
to play ten?
Speaker 4 (51:19):
Just like a post that was still around a decade
I'm not like for realtivity like it was tenl like
like you was early early, but I know you still
got Like now I supposed to be like you said,
the first round, everybody can't go first round, pick four
or three whatever, you was over there.
Speaker 3 (51:36):
But I'm picked one fifty one.
Speaker 4 (51:39):
I'm like or whatever I was on sixty one, I'm like, damn,
like you know how bad well I got picked?
Speaker 3 (51:43):
Bro?
Speaker 4 (51:43):
Like coach, ain't pick me? Like you know, ain't nobody
go up into the mic p you know pick me?
Speaker 3 (51:48):
Bro? They had a regata picked me from Indianapolis. Zoo oh,
that's just so like.
Speaker 4 (51:59):
About the feel no more like no, we just drive
were just taking anybody, like you know, your first round
pick boy, like like like we're just gonna take him,
like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (52:15):
We need another line back on the spot on the
rosters just for sure? Are we going to close it out?
This last question?
Speaker 5 (52:21):
I'm curious like y'all because y'all at different points kind
of think like we go like like what's when you
look back, like what's success like for your career?
Speaker 7 (52:35):
What is what?
Speaker 3 (52:36):
Like how do you feel like you find how you
find it? But like what's success? I think it's consistency.
Speaker 4 (52:46):
You know, I don't seen a lot of players go
you know, one year ball out go crazy or two
years ball out go crazy. You should get hurt or
you know, anything happened. You know what I'm saying, like,
just don't be the same player. But like the ones
that like I don't seen like the great ones I've seen,
just they just consistent, Like I go back to my position,
like Lavonte David, like just consistently been a great player,
(53:09):
you know what I'm saying, a good player, not even
sometimes not even a great year, but a good year,
you know what I'm saying. Then don't have a great
year and a great year and a good year, solid year,
good year, great year, you know what I'm saying, Like
those are the players that I look too, Like I
mean Antonio Brown like that point, yeah, like yeah after
year after year after yeah after Yeah, he was like
(53:30):
you know, and that's why we talk about him being
a consistent, like him being a great because he's because
he was consistent for so many years.
Speaker 3 (53:37):
Same for me, you know, but I'm also asking for you.
Speaker 5 (53:41):
Oh for me, it's success for you like when the
career is, when your career is complete, whatever that time is.
Speaker 4 (53:46):
What's successful That I left no stone unturned, you know
that I was able to take everything and I don't
have no regret, you know, like damn, I should have
did this or I should listen to cool when he
told me do this or something like that, like anything
like if somebody give me some some type of like
advice or something like that, like I'm gonna look into it,
(54:07):
you know what I'm saying, Like I don't never want
to go through like all I had to do is
this or you know, I didn't do this, So that's
why I didn't like that. That's always since I've been
playing football, I never always said like if I could
finish playing and be like I had no regrets, I
did everything that I wanted to do, like no matter
how it turned out, like I could you know, right now,
I honestly to say I could never play another down
in football, and I would be I'll be okay because
(54:31):
I feel like I did everything that I could do,
you know, to be here and you know, play the
game as long as I could.
Speaker 6 (54:39):
I feel like for me as I don't think, I
think most of the time you always gone, I said,
always my example, super super high of what I want
to do, you know. So I think it's just kind
of being the best version of myself no matter the situation.
So it's kind of similar to what he said as well.
(55:01):
But when when I leave, we get one chance at this.
You know, like we live in our dream. You know,
not everybody can say that they do that. Can wake
up every day in legal dream, even the days you
don't want to get up to go do this, to
run to hit or whatever, living my dream.
Speaker 3 (55:17):
So I can't complain.
Speaker 6 (55:18):
But you're going fall short to some things you know
that you thought you wanted or whatever. But as long
as I keep going, you know what I'm saying. I
think the person you know, I forgot who we heard
it from. I think it was we was in Puerto Rico,
he said. The person that that was that was JK.
Speaker 3 (55:36):
Yeah, he said.
Speaker 1 (55:37):
The person that's who can state he said. He says,
it's all about who could stay focused.
Speaker 3 (55:41):
The longest, that stuck with me.
Speaker 7 (55:43):
And that's really that's that's the truth, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (55:46):
Because it's like, Okay, yeah, this year didn't go your way,
but you was healthy the whole season, you know what
I'm saying, And nobody died outside. You know what I'm saying,
There's so much you could look at and be like, Okay,
this was still positive. It's like not not a positive.
So you just got to keep stepping, you know. For me,
it looks as you know, I don't want to know
regrets too. But at the end of the day, like
(56:07):
get one chance. I'm trying to go as hard as
I can every year.
Speaker 1 (56:11):
Honestly, I really got the same exact responses a wall,
like staying consistent. That's that's what success is, like year
in and year out, you could be depended on. That's
what success is, and successful me is the same thing
he said, like leaving no stone unturned, like putting your
best foot for you know, every year.
Speaker 2 (56:33):
The only thing I would.
Speaker 1 (56:34):
Add to that it's still on the same lines or
leaving no stone turns. It's just like you can never
master football. Don't ever look at the game like you've
mastered it. You never arrived, Like it's an eternal journey,
like you always getting better, you always learning new information,
synthesizing that information. It's like, for example, this year, it's
(56:57):
like I'm more focused on what I eat. I've learned
new you know, So I'm focused on what I eat
so that my engine can run better, so that I
can be better, you know what I'm saying. Like last year,
I didn't have that type of information, so I was
only working. I was only being the best version of
who I was at that time. But now I have
new information and I'm trying to be even better. So
(57:19):
I think that's the only thing I would add is
never arriving, like never feeling like you mastered the game,
always trying to learn, like for example, like they like
they say, the game is always evolving, right, you got
these you got new players come into the league, These
these young receivers, they nice like yo, Like, like I said,
I don't really be looking at other players. I've also
be focused on my own game, like trying to get better.
(57:40):
But like it's inevitable that you will watch film with them,
you know, like when you studying film for the other
team and see these young guys, they kind of do
stuff a little bit different. Like I'm grabbing from everybody,
you know what I'm saying, Like I got the mindset.
It's like you can learn from anybody. You can learn
from a baby, like I think j Cole, like he
one of my favorite artists, say the best. He was like,
(58:01):
you know, I've seen the baby crowd in seconds later
she laughed the beauty of life. The pain never laughs
like in that situation, He's like he was able to
learn from a baby, Like even if it was something
that he already knew, it was a reminder for him.
It was like damn, like pain really never laughs, Like
so what am I?
Speaker 2 (58:17):
So?
Speaker 1 (58:17):
What am I so like mad about right now? You
know what I'm saying. So that's how I'm approaching the game.
It's just like, yeah, I can learn from anybody. I
can learn from somebody who I might feel like I'm
better than that. He might do something better than me,
like one thing better than me, Like I need that,
you know what I'm saying, Like never have enough, never
have too much pride to to get better.
Speaker 6 (58:38):
Got you the everybody like children because when you're a kid, yeah,
you know, so I feel like that's like a way
to look at it.
Speaker 3 (58:46):
What about you? For me, I don't know the way.
Speaker 5 (58:51):
The way I try to live is And now I
got two kids to see even more imprinted. It's like legacy,
you know. So like I was like the first person
in my immediate family to graduate from college play college football,
you know, so like just continue to hit these milestones
so I leave it for them, you know. Like I
got a little cousin who comes he just got offered
(59:11):
by Miami like he's live, you know, but like hopefully
he saw me do something, you know, like hopefully my
family saw me do something that's like y'all want to
be like him, you know. And so it's the same
thing with just our community, you know, or just just
our race, you know, just just trying to be an example.
So I'm all about just trying to leave leave something
man like, leave a legacy, Leave leave an example that
(59:34):
if you want to do it, you can do it.
Speaker 3 (59:36):
Appreciate it. Boys, I got connect.
Speaker 2 (59:40):
That was nice and I might start a podcast.
Speaker 9 (59:52):
Walks Painton was a warrior running with me and rookies
couldn't hope him wait up and one of his creed
as a creek through the zone. I am known as
a monster, the new Larry Zon Cabal and Hall going
long and somebody either answer trying to stop Barry Sanders
and Shunks in the game. You just the salamander never
had the boundary running through Yeo town, keep your head
up and rush.
Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
We looked like Jim.
Speaker 6 (01:00:12):
Brown checking out, y'all. Hope you guys enjoyed everything. You know,
we had a great combo with the guys today. You
guys want to keep listening. Man, check it out on
Spotify or whatever.
Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
You guys look at it
Speaker 6 (01:00:24):
On Man and make sure you tap in with us
Welcome to the Dogs Only Podcast. This is Mari Cooper
Players Only. Let's get it.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Haul haul the f.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
What's up, Browns fans?
Speaker 4 (00:14):
This is a Walk Anthony Walker, linebacker from the Cleveland
Browns Number five. Welcome to the first episode of Dogs
Only Podcast, a player led podcast that dives.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Into who we are on and off the field.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
You'll hear from players, coaches, front office, and all the
great people that make up the Browns organization. Hopefully you'll
get a taste of what it's like to be in
this brotherhood. Appreciate you guys tuning in.
Speaker 5 (00:37):
All right, Browns fans, welcome to the first episode of
the Dogs Only Podcast, first player and coach led podcast.
So we're gonna let the crew introduce himselves, starting with Coop.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
I'm cool man, Marik Cooper. Uh, you already know where
we are from.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
From the crib. We a walk Anthony Walker, junior linebacker,
Elijah More receiver. Y'all ain't know what time it is.
I'm gonna cook since a GM working personnel, so big time,
big time.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
We're gonna start a little bit of a of a game.
The question will kind of be like who's most likely
to do X on the team. Who's most likely to
pay for dinner?
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Cool?
Speaker 4 (01:15):
So on the team? Yeah yeah cool? But the song
for so Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Who's most likely to cry? The movie? Elijah cry a movie?
You gotta be aligneman, right, I.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Feel like listen you would be like you would be like,
I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Bro, Like I really felt that, like bro, really like bro,
Like I went through that.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Talking what movie you cried on before? Though, like give
me movie I cried on? Man, that's a good question.
Ain't a lot that su straight, bro.
Speaker 6 (02:11):
Like the other day I watched it till again, Let looky,
let one go at the.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
End gonna be funny because like I was shorty, like
my first time ever like crying for for six years old.
I watched Friday Night Lights and that way I stopped
at the one. I was like, I felt that like
if I ever lost like that, boogle crwy like never
never play again. I just tell my coach I never
played him. That happened last movie. I don't remember crying
(02:38):
doing on movie.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Man, you had to. I'm trying to hold on, trying
to add all.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
I'm just saying, like.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Col just tried me to. Everybody said, you got a
sense of a side moving Uh. Who goes likely to
be a head coach on the t.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
His old his old boy.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Was a coach man. He's still coaching co He walking
be a coach for sure. He who's most likely to
dance at the club d B J J.
Speaker 7 (03:17):
Hes gonna cut up anywhere? Fact with nothing?
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Who's not allowed to pick the music? Who's most likely?
Like sa, yeah trip by.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Yo be t We like, we went like ten weeks
without playing music in the locker room, you'll start playing music.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
I say it was better off, but.
Speaker 6 (03:50):
Yeah, like yesterday to the locker room, he was like,
I'm about to play something. Y'all just gotta have like
an open mind. You start like that you already know
what up, like me and me and the song, and
then we're like you're looking at us, and we like, hell,
what is it?
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Is it?
Speaker 4 (04:11):
He just listens all too bro Like he go from
like techno disco country, they drop one booty song, they
go back to the.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Clays, Like he going from the South to the middle.
You're doing too much, Like, well.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Let's talk about growing up in Miami. I think that's
the main from Miami.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
I mean I grew up, I grew up I grew
up in two people from Miami.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
There we got but you know, you know what they
say though, like see all the dude from want to
be from Miami.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Negative. I mean it's true, but you know negative.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
You know that longer we got a little foundation, you know,
and then we got a mix, right because we got nah,
well there's three private school.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Yeah I want I want to Western first.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
Okay, yeah, so we got to mix private school, probably school, sure,
talk about it.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
No, I mean for me growing up, it was just
like I just saw like good football players. Like that's
why I grew up around My dad obviously been the
coach and all that. So like he's just telling me
to watch this person, watch this person, you know, see
how they play, see how they you know, move off
the field, like how they practice all that stuff. So
that's what I grew up watching. Like I told you, Mo,
like that's like minded no Western boys. I just like
(05:36):
I wanted to be just like them, like Sean span
Levonte David Like I was like, that's who I want
to be, you know, and whatever level that they was
doing it on, that's what I looked up to. So
I didn't really think about college NFL until they got
to college NFL Like, okay, I want to do that too.
So like when I was growing up, it was like,
I want to be the best player in literally football.
If you had that, like that's how you got your
(05:58):
respect because you was street ran a part like you
know what I'm saying, Like I wanted to be just
like that. So then you know, you start winning super
Bowls all that stuff, You're like, okay, I did that.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
You know.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Then Shawn them went to high school, they went to
the West Best you the best player?
Speaker 3 (06:12):
What did you play?
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Never the best player on my team. I played quarterback.
I just remembered all the plays. So coach like, that's
the only thing.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
We need somebody to hand the ball off and you know,
throw the ball to the best player. So I told you.
I just told him that.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
We was walking down, I was like, I remember my
coach told me, like only one player going to the NFL.
And I looked around. I'm like, damn, I'm like the
seventh best player on the team. I ain't going.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
I gotta find something else to do.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
And then I talked to my coach, like when I
first went to college, he was like, you know, I
was talking about you, like back then, like I knew
he was going to the NFL. Like he never, you know,
never told me this or nothing. He was just like,
but you worked hard, you know, you did everything right.
You wasn't like the most talented yet, but you was like,
you know you you just did everything fundamentally right.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
I was like, yeah, I ain't.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
I had no clue because I played with some gangsters,
like they was real, real good. The same thing, I know,
what cool, same thing with more like I've seen growing
up in high school, that boy, that boy five, Like.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
I mean, I feel like growing up in Miami for me,
like it was a real unique experience.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
The first thing that.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
I didn't notice back then that I noticed now in
retrospect is like it's a melting pot.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Like I grew up.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Around you know, white black Hispanics, you know, going to
school with them all my life.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
It was a unique experience.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Now I look back on it being able to understand
like all manners of people. Yeah, but I think that's
what kind of separates us from a lot of people too,
from other places. But as far as the football side,
that's also a unique too, because it's like it's like
it's almost like a prerequisite of being like being good,
(07:50):
like are you good? Okay, so what you're supposed to
be good? Like like when I went to Bama for example,
like tusclose to Alabama, we had like Bolscar he was
like he was a player from tusc Loose and everybody
used to be talking about him and I checked out
his highlights and he was good. But like the respect
he was getting just for being good, it was just
like it's normal, Like you don't get that. You don't
(08:13):
get that coming up in Miami because it's like everybody good,
but he was like the standout good player, you know
what I'm saying. So it's like it's so much you
gotta do to really earn your respect, Like okay, you
good on the park, but every like pound on the
park are like five good players of the team.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
So it's like.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
What what's gonna separate you? And I think that's kind
of like that. That's what kind of molded me to
like the person I am to day too, is like
I ain't never want to do nothing to mess it up,
so like I ain't never want to smoke drink because
like all the people who was cold, like it was nice,
they'll get there, go to college d one, they'll get
a d y like damn, or they'll go to college
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fella drug test and they'll like kind of derailed their career.
And so that's why I was like, I ain't trying
to do nothing to that's this up. So I ain't
to this day, never picked a bottle, never roll the blunt,
like just trying to make it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
But yeah, I mean my experience.
Speaker 6 (09:10):
I think that's the good part though, because like with
me being younger than them y'all and everybody here, I
feel like my uh my mentors, my older people around
me always tell me like, like you don't be knowing nobody,
you know what I'm saying, Like you got to know
them boys, like you gotta know it. Like, but I
feel like in a way, it like was a good
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thing for me and all the people around us because
we already there's so many good people, so you already
don't look at it. It's like you know, people call
it like you know, you on that board till you
know what I'm saying, Like, but like home, you know,
you know, but at home, it's like everybody's good.
Speaker 7 (09:50):
So it's like, Okay, he's raw but like what is
he doing now?
Speaker 6 (09:53):
It's a certain level, Like there's certain like doors, right,
so I feel like you make it past the first door,
which was like high school, you being that boy, and
then now you're in college and you that boy. You
know what I'm saying, Like that's like the first door.
And in the league, you know what I'm saying, Like
who's still lasting in the league? And now there's this
last door, you know what I'm saying of like, okay,
past second contract, who's going to make it to the
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Hall of Fame?
Speaker 3 (10:16):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (10:16):
And there's not many of us that still make it
to that last door, you know. So that's why it's
like before a before you, it was like okay, maybe
ab you know what I'm saying, But he has his
examples going on whatever life is life, and you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (10:29):
But now it's like you, Lamar, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (10:32):
You still like we got examples to make it past
that last door. So I bring that back to like
not knowing anybody. I think that's a good thing because
it's like when you don't really like you be in
your own little world. I think it's good, so he
us less distractions. You're watching everybody else so much. Of course,
you got to have the perspective, but you got to
do your own thing because you don't want to mess
it up.
Speaker 7 (10:51):
We have a lot of examples of what not to do.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
Yeah, I think Coop hit it too, because that was
my thing. So I started playing baseball first, like I
started base five five like my mom. I was being
just raised by my mom at the time, so she
was comfortable with that sports. She went really into the contact.
So I let the football. I was like, yo, like, man,
if I'm gonna it was a matter of like what
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I make the team the first year, and I was
like athletic, but it was.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Like the dud hitting a little.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
A little heavy, like down there, like that's the first
it's full past first day. Man, I'll never forget it.
But it's just like it creates that It just creates
that internal like drive kind of how you were talking about,
because you're like, yo, I'm not I'm not going to
be that dude who looked bad on Saturday, Like I can't.
I don't want to be that guy that's six because
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it's just that it's just that energy like when.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
I get there when you're winning, mad.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
To get to get sixth places?
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Like what was crucial in six players?
Speaker 4 (12:00):
My dad's do this all the time for that way
receivers and running around like running off, were running the ball.
Every that's.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Can't put that, well, kick give up a little or something.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Line up the receiver number sixty six. They running go ball,
We run the ball.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Get Yeah. They want to be the sixth player. Can't
be a six player game. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
So it just pushed me to like, all right, what's
my age. You know what I mean, I'm gonna make it.
You know, I'm gonna push.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
When I came when I was coming up, I think
my second grade, I was I was seven. So that
was one that was like the last year that they
allowed us in Miami.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Pop wanted to play night games.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
It was like the last year because like this because
everybody used to be betting, like like like you know
what I'm saying, the Cherriot play like literally city, you
gotta think, like looking back, it was normal and I'm looking.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Back like, oh, it's nine years old. You've been like
fifteen hundred on the game. Five that was on the
game and then like.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Your team would lose shooting people like dying on the
park or like people get so mad. He's just shooting
it just so Like I couldn't play there because I
remember coming up, we're playing night games. Game it's crazy,
but it was no more night games like after like
one oh.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Two, like you played in if IL.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Yeah, we always had so when I got a little older,
they knew the big bets was the bigger pounds.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
But you earlier little kids that night, so I.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Know I probably wanted to start.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
That's at that game.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Put the shill on man, you everything.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
You gotta good, you gotta be. We called it splaped up.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
You got cimetary like.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Cemetary on these ladies. I had a mirror shield on
the trip, Monk.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
I still want to face man to this day.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Got the trip with the ship, trip with the ship
the Wristmans with your number on. You gotta have your
numbers Brisbane with your number on you put the tape
around the face.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Man, you got to cleick like you gotta be.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
What's the first thing. That's the first thing I had
to find out when I got the livery city.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Who made the Risbane? Who made all the time? What
did on twenty seven thirty I want.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
To I forgot, late boy. I want to damn what
it was called.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
It was like, mister, that's what you know I called.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
So I had to catch the train and the buscket
I you already had every day had they had flip
to my spinning like brother, face matter trip My members
caught fifty five dollars, was like fifty that y'all.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Y'all want to back the back like the fly.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
You gotta have rip to the end the fly back.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Then I ain't had a rip. Now you gotta have
mona I had.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
But listen, you gotta have a rib to in the
flat so your flapp can hang load. Y'all.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Look, if you just put the flap on the on
the shoulder pads, like how we doing, your flat gonna
be like on your back. But you know it was
flapped up to have your flat.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Don't like you run like yeah nothing.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
It's like we used to play like so speaking on
the culture like growing up like every day, especially in
some of my homies, because I used to wake up
like my homies to come knock on the door with
the football already to play. So we used to play
like tournaments and like you know, we ain't have enough
like money all the time for like ripe flat, especially
like in the off season. So we used to like
(15:51):
I promise you we're like get a shoe, stream from
our shoe tied on around the waist.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Get a book, find.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
A book, a hard couple of books.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
You as your back.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Like the hood, Like we got our T shirt number
on the shirt, put the shirt on the stream around.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
The way the hart the hard cover book as a flap.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Yeah, Like I played football every day growing up. Like
that was like that's what I did, Like me Rayshaw,
my cousin who died Fred, like it was us three
and then we'll pick somebody younger than us. We always
play two on two, like we'll be the quarterback with
sometimes d be the quarterback.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
We just played every day like every day.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
That's the coach of one on one football, Like can
you be like you're my best player? Like even growing
up thinking about like you had like three four good players,
but are your three folk good players better than the
other team three folk good players?
Speaker 2 (16:50):
All that matter? That's that's what it is.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
That's the show, like son I talk about yesterday when
he was doing it, just like we go to coach
slot on Sunday, one on one for like coach and
tell us like if you want to come get better
fundamental culture, come on Saturday. If you want to become
a man, come on Sunday. Like five star, full star.
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If you could survive out there, you was good.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
And so how y'all got into football? Because I know
with me.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
I got into football when I was four, I moved
to the projects. I guess we should stay in these apartments.
Moved to the projects, and it was this dude who
came my best friend named Ray Shaw. He was he
was a year older than me, and like everybody in
the projects, everybody in the grove in general, like play football,
but in the project, like the whole thing was tackle,
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like tackle all day, every day up taple and I
just fell in love at like five six years old,
Like that's that's cool, Like that's how how became like
a football player. Then then when I started going to school,
was going to my after school program. Same thing, like
you finish your homework as fast as you can go
play football. That's how I got into that because I
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did that like for three years before I even played
organized football. I started from organized football like seven eight,
but by the time I got on the field, I
already do. I was already good, like I already know
what to do. So how y'all always got into football?
Speaker 3 (18:14):
For me? It was my older brother. I got older,
I got an older.
Speaker 6 (18:17):
Brother, and he like love football play defense. So he
used to have me in front of the yard saying
stand right here, tackling and trying.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
To like saying right here.
Speaker 6 (18:33):
And I'm gonna just run bro all the way until
I was like five six brand Now my uncle, uh,
he loved football too, so he used to make us
go at it like the hit insuris so anything kind
of like non physical. I wasn't really with it or
racing stuff like that, like if I raced my brother
and I lost, Like I wasn't really talking to my
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brother for a couple of days until like we won again,
until I won again.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
And.
Speaker 6 (19:00):
It kind of got to the point where I like
would always quick be like, nah, I'm doing I'm not
doing that normal. I love basketball with me like mic
every day while dunking shoes, I used to write my
name and the shoes and all that. And then finally
I played little League and the first year I ain't
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know the holes I ain't know nothing.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
I just was fascinating. Sprints came.
Speaker 6 (19:24):
I wannt losing nothing, and the coaches were like, okay,
bro fast. Like then second year, I had a girl coach,
and she should just tell me, like get the ball,
run as fast as you can to the outside, don't
get touched.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
The thing player a bet started scoring.
Speaker 6 (19:43):
Touchdowns and I see everybody in the stands turning up
like years when I'm just running back, just sliding. So
that's that's really how it started for me.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
You said how you said, yeah, ain't I ain't like football?
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (19:59):
No, my first year having to play organized football, I
swore I put this on everything I love. Maybe I
told you I was already playing, but like I wasn't
playing organized football yet, so I was supposed to play
sixty five. That was the past. First time on the
park under the pee week, my sister walking me out there.
They were doing hitting drill.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Make a man take what they're doing for no reason,
like hamburger.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
They threw the drill, but like what they do that
way to watch like your first expression, you know I
did doing this, but they heard.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Nah.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
But then that next year, like that next year, I
just wanted to play like all my friends.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Everybody was playing.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
My part was coaching already, so I was like two
first time already in there, like I'm watching the boy.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Do all this stuff. Organized football. So funny I was.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
When I was growing up. My dad never let me play.
He never let me. He was like, you're gonna get hurt.
You're gonna get her catchying that. So I used to
always watch the kids do it. I'm like, like, I
want to go out there. He never let me do that,
so I'm like, all right, So he find four years old,
you know, when we don't know if he was going
when you when you did y'all do this.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
But we played pee wee pe we was five to
eight years old.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
Nah, he was like five pee we was five to
eight years old.
Speaker 7 (21:24):
Y'all had different I was probably like four to six.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
I was just five to eight, So a big difference, man,
he was. So I played when I.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
Was four, played go play for you know this clause
that know. My dad like I'm gonna take care and
make sure he's good. First made me hit the eight
year old.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
That would hit me so hard.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
I cried from the start of practice. I told my
part like I said, I can't go back and he
hit me like that, like you know.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
I remember dude name and all, like I know the
dude hit me everything. He ended up being good, end
up being like good. I got to, but he was
the biggest hell when we was playing Little league, So
I said, damn, like I can't play no more.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Like I really like, now you got to like that's
part of it.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
And I have seen these same kids my dad coach
do these saying drill like so like when people talk
about like hitting drill like you counting to see like
I didn't do that.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
I gotta go.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
That.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I ain't know different. I was like, I fix my chance.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
So like so every time after that, like since ever
we do hitting your first day, every time on to
I go ahead, we're good, Like yeah, we're good.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
I know.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
And if I know, I gotta go against somebody chins
drop bucking all the way up mouth.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
He's in and we gotta go cry the whole practice
tu tho.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
My first year playing, so like we're doing hitting drills,
like if you looking like you.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Timid, you know what they're gonna do again?
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Not another person?
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Can you go against two people? Now, I gotta get
two no boy like sales, Like.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
I thought, look, I want to do no more like
especially when you but it's funny because like the next
day you like but I can't because like they're gonna put.
Speaker 6 (23:08):
Two people and be like but that's when you start
really like finding your dog.
Speaker 7 (23:13):
Yeah, okay, I am kind of.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Not start thinking about your take you go home. I
got to hit. I showed a.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
Little bit like that's what that's what a little brother
come in because I did that to my little brother
too that I was trying to practice.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Right like you were trying to to say, like your
brother like bully.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Put him back up against the bed. So at least
we didn't hit the flow. Though my brother to be.
Speaker 6 (23:43):
Real pass on like put his path on, getting not
to set the path stand right here, stand right here,
trant to run at you and just I'm.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
He's just gonna be like you doing this.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
But once I like, once I got that confidence of
like hitting drills like that thing, I'll be seeing the
post to be like made a lot of basketball players like,
once you like get over that fear of hitting, like
because I remember I had I played with a dude
he was so good at football, but he was like
he was known for like shaking people like you know
what I'm saying, hit Like I just be like like, no,
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we don't do that, and like this is first time
playing like we don't do that. I knew he was
gonna be good though. He was like we don't do that.
We kept doing it, like he just he just used
to it. I remember they made that way bulling the rings.
They're like you and learn how to take a hit,
Like you gotta learn how to take a hit. That's
my first time ever seeing that. I was like, I
felt so bad for him, like he's just known for.
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Like he was like, nah, I want you to stand
there and like are you shape? People keep doing it?
Speaker 1 (24:55):
God that bull in the ring, bro, But it's gonna
make you a man. Man.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
Let me ask you this because it just made me
think about this, Like what's because I got I got
an answer, Like what's like one thing y'all learned from football?
Like playing football being a part of the game set
it all, I think for me because I like I
think through just like my career and also just like
life kind of all the stuff we talking about, just
like being able to handle adversity, you know, Like I
think if you're not putting these situations where you like
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I think about like when I first got to Miami,
even like I was a three star. I don't know,
I don't even think I should have been there, but
I was a three star, and like I talked, I
was walking to the library, I was talking to my mom.
I was like, yo, Ma, I think I need to
come home like this saying it ain't good.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Enough to be here.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
You know, but it just it just forced you to
like compete, you know what I mean, and like fight
through adversity because we're all going to face it. And
even now like we look through life, like now that
I'm working, I don't face some different pathsive adversity that's
not sports related, but because but since I was nine
years old, it's like every year you got to compete
for your job every year, you like you not that
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dude went to high school, Like it was the same
thing where I was in a different school, gjority white school,
like private school, having to like learn new people, understand
how to communicate with different teammates.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Like we had a little low key.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
Like uh misunderstanding, remember the titant type thing when I
first got there. You know what I mean so like
like it forces you to like come out of that
comfort zone understand like life is bigger than just like
that little box that you in. So like I think
that's the biggest thing. If I'm fortunate, because if I
didn't play sports, I would have just because I'd be
low key man like I don't I just be around
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my people. But it forced you to open up, you know,
and like experience different things.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
So I don't know, I feel like I learned a
lot of lessons from football.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
I think one of my favorite ones is, like football,
the game gonna humple you, Like the game gonna humple
you automatically. So it's like a reminder of stay grounded.
No matter who you are, you could be. You could
be the best player in the world. Like it's gonna
humble you in some way, Like you could get you
can you can have your first two seasons, you go
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for two thousand yards, and you be hurt the rest
of your career. What I'm saying, like it's gonna find
a way to humble you. You know what I mean,
So stay grounded. You know, It's like those who humble
themselves will be exalted. Those who exalt themselves will be humbled.
Just gotta you can never be too high and never
be too low. Just just stay grounded, like stay humbled.
And I think that's my favorite thing about football, Like
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I don't know, yeah, no.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
I think sports in general.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
Like I watched this video the duke on women's basketball
coach Carol Loins, and she said, like handling hard better,
you know, because like I always think this, Like I
talked my dad. I used to always think, like, you know,
you get to this level and be smooth, like you
know what I'm saying, Or I get to high school
and be straight. I get to college, Like once I
get to college, I'm good, like I'm straight. Once I
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get to the NFL, I'm like I'm straight, like I'm
being an NFL I'm good. I used to always say that,
And like she said, like you don't get like it
don't get easier. You just learn how to handle hard better,
you know what I'm saying, Like stuff just happened to you.
Like you know, when I was in college, like freshman year,
I wanted to like doing nothing for really, I was
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just you know, I was just on the team. I
red shirted, like I'm chilling, like you know what I'm saying.
I'm going to practice every day, but it's like I'm
just going, like, you know what I'm saying, I ain't
even really trying, Like I'm just like I'm better than
these dudes that's playing in front of me, but I
ain't playing this just I'm just chill like that my
first time, you know the crib, ain't.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
No red shirt? Like, ain't no.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Yeah, you play.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
Once you play as a kid, you you a start
of pretty much your whole career. I get to college,
I'm like, damn, red shirt, I ain't I can't play
the game. I'm chilling. Well, y'all tripping, So I know
none of y'all is probably the redshirt. Soy y'all know
what I'm talking about. But when you read shirt, it's
like I ain't doing nothing. Like it was so humbling.
So my coach is like, man, you might need a transfer,
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Like you know, you don't.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
You don't fit what we're trying to do.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
Yeah, all right, Like I ain't really show y'all nothing yet,
Like so I told my dad, but I was like,
I mean, what you want to do?
Speaker 3 (29:07):
I like I got at least.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
Showed them, but I could play before I leave, like right,
like all right, so go through spring ball. Go through
spring ball, start really like taking it seriously. I knew
I coul play football, but I just like showing that
like I'm practicing, you know what I'm saying. So I'm like,
a right, I'm just start making plays. Catch a pit
every day, every day. I quarter picked spring ball my
sophomore year still had a re like I had a
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redshirt singing in front of me though, So I was like,
I bet like you get hurt, Like I'm going there,
I'm a snap. They already started rotating me in a
little bit. I remember that boy got hurt. Third game,
fourth game playing Penn State White. I'm about to snap,
like might just go crazy. I go out there, one
hundred and ten thousand homecoming. I'm like, damn that shit. Real,
Like I said, this is a stage like this. You know,
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we played in Miami, but this is a stage. Like
you realize that this is a stage. So I go
out there and it's like I was on autopil like
I ain't had no fans or not.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
I just started playing ball. Snap pick.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
Everything stay first off ever like the week that week,
like everything, and then like you know, go through that right,
So then I get drafted fifth round, like fifth round,
Like I'm better than all these dudes, Like why am
I going to fifth round? But like it's just like
I kept saying, like if I like, once I get
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like to that next up, it's gonna get easier, get harder,
like just get harder and you just learn how to
handle it easy, like the hardness of it, like being
in the league, Like like you said, humble every day.
I get humbled every day. Just just do like not
even like if I could have a great day, it's
just like damn.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
That's it's almost like a calyst every day.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
You just get hard every day. That's how I feel.
Speaker 6 (30:48):
But like what people don't even sometimes parents will, I think, parents,
do you know a better job with from where we're
from because everybody plays sports, But like organized sports, teach
you discipline, like teach you life. You know, even if
you can't see it, like right now, you know, and
we won't realize these things until we get older, you
know what I'm saying, Like, teach you how to listen
to your coaches.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
You can't talk bad. You gotta do this.
Speaker 7 (31:08):
You gotta stand at this cone and go to that
cone and you.
Speaker 6 (31:12):
Gotta you know what I'm saying, teach you so much
stuff and we won't realizing until like maybe in high school,
in college or even you know, in the in the league.
But yeah, man, as far as you know that holy
experience of what football can do for you and and
teach you, I feel like it teach you how to
be a man, you know, teach you how to get
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ready for your kids, how you get ready to be
the person that you want to be later.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
You know. So football is humbling.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
Football has many experiences of ups and downs, like if
you look at every other sport, I feel like, right
like I was just talking to someone about this the
other day.
Speaker 7 (31:49):
Football players, we be married, we be this, you know.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (31:52):
We were more structure than most people.
Speaker 6 (31:54):
And I feel like, obviously we got more players, so
it's a more of a harder task to be on
the field. Our life is kind of like this when
obviously a lot of people in other sports, but they
have less players, less things going on, so their life
kind of can be a little different.
Speaker 7 (32:08):
So I feel like football just teach you how to
get through things.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
From my perspective, I remember my man, my high school
coach to the point, like the discipline stuff like just
to like tucking in your shirts, everything touching the line you.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
Talking about high school like literally part we was just
talking about parks. Like my part had a rule like
you know, you like sanitary of every color. We were
so organized. People said black shots only that's like it's
like you do white socks on the end, Like I'm
like black, can't those sleeves or nothing like how my
part would like no, if you like everybody had to
(32:42):
look the same for real, Like literally when I got
to pay high school, like.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Laying you gotta get swaggy out there, and I ain't
never gonna not look you know, but I want to paste.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
It was like the same thing I had, you know,
college mind a head coach workouts in the summer in
the summertime. Miami. You're like, coach Sam is crazy like that.
But like, no, like you, I still couldn't be this.
I ain't never lose something. I ain't to you, I
didn't I ain't lose something.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
God bless, think about it. If everybody went to Miami,
that's the thing I was. It was just like that too.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
But you see, Miami would have been right though now
they changed that.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
It used to be that though, Like they changed it
so it was never like everybody could go to Miami,
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Like, bro, Miami.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
After a certain point, it's like they started reverencing like
out of states, like telling I went, I was going
to Miami camps.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
So I'm making dudes fall out there like I don't
finna get an offer, like and.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
But then when another school offer, you then like off me,
now you want to offer me, Like.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
That's what happened with me.
Speaker 6 (33:53):
I was killing I went today, we had like a
seven or seven there. I was snapping and none of
them only like the really had it there, you know,
the offer offensive players wasn't really getting it. And then
all of a sudden, like them on house state offer
and now maman once you know what I.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
Was like, I'm from y'all should been the first school
with that fact. Y'all saw me every day. Yeah, I
told about my Miami story. Is his man, man, they
want to recruit meself. I was a private school guy.
Speaker 6 (34:19):
Mine said I was a seven or seventh player? Said
what I was seven or all I did was shape
like I was seven or seventh player.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Yeah, we ain't fixed it yet, but hopefully.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
See, I ain't had no office when I went to
my I wanted to even camp like three times in
the same year to.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Get office so bad.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
So like, I ain't had no office. So that's not
that's why I ain't want to offer me. But like
I felt like, well, I was making the most players
out of interercy whatever. I just ain't had no office.
So I go to BAMA Camp in Florida State Camp,
same situation like, but they offered me though, Like so
now boys want to come back and offer me. I'm like, bro,
I done been to y'all camp, like where y'all offered
me learn right, like.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
I'd be showing you already the top of time. Yeah,
thank you, mad recruit.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
You like we always come on because I was.
Speaker 5 (35:04):
Thinking about when you were playing in the National Championship.
Had to be what three years ago because Josh Joe
was still there, Pat was still there. The whole secondary
was from from Yeah Joe.
Speaker 6 (35:18):
We used to play them boys, like you know some
people used to you know, you play Bamma.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
They be like, oh my god, my eyes. I'm like.
Speaker 6 (35:29):
Literally the whole back safety, line back and linebackers, safety
corner crib.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
I'm like, man, I gotta go with Like I don't know,
I feel like everything be coming for a circle.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Like, h what's his name? Patrick Certain? Like I grew
up watching he played for the Dolphins.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
He comes to us in the seven or seven Express that.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Saying for Express.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
I think we used to practice at his house some times,
like David and Davy got big.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (35:59):
Cert was like like I've been playing and certaining them
since Lily. It's funny playing.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Yes, Yeah, crazy was like so if I was sixteen
South Florida Express, Certain, what he probably like what twenty
four age twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
That's what six years he was like teen or whatever
years old, Like he.
Speaker 6 (36:29):
Was a little kid walking around you and whatever be
the lead like crazy crazy.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
That's crazy. Yeah, say the best player I've ever seen
like growing up sh t. Yeah that's different.
Speaker 7 (36:44):
I'm gonna say, uh, Duke Johnson.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
I was just about to say that I want to
hear a cool sitter.
Speaker 7 (36:51):
Oh no, it's like from where we're from.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
Yeah, Like, dude was so electric, Like I've never seen
the player like that ever. Six This is a game
like that boy playing against Eybody's always talking about dude.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Due.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
I'm like, like they're just saying Miami like playing in hospital.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
Yeah yeah, I said, I was at the game when
they played job.
Speaker 4 (37:16):
I said, now he's going against the West now, so
we don't really see if he really liked that.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
Like first play, like they ran like a little jet sweep.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
The first place.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Look break, So look all week theyre talking about we
got to set the tone, say first play, were on defensive.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
First play, even want everybody to jump off sides first.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Play and hit him in the mount, Like, look, you
don't want to side see if he.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Boy jumped off side poom except for like a corner
and like I don't think the safety move. Everybody jumped
out side.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Our linebacker like ran up and try to like hit
Duke in the mouth. Dude, slim, that boy's hit him
in the mouth. Some boys hot, so buty, like we
don't set the talk. Like first player of the game,
it's first and five. You know they got the fire
off jumping outside first player of the game. Stop, second plate, stop,
(38:24):
third stop it's fourth and five. I'm like, oh yeah,
we man, they must have fake you know how you
fake it to the full back and picture to the
runner back.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
They pictured the dude.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
We had him bro right there, dude head and sprayed
for about sixty bro. I said, oh I have along
with Look we get the ball, we're on offense.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
I bummed it up.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
Score. That's what I remember.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
Seven seven, it's a birthday. It's seven seven. I go
to the car. I put this on everything I love.
I say, into that kick the ball he back there,
don't kick it to him.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
And I never said on the northern side, by the way,
sitting on Norman side, I just want to get what
they do. He created like I'm understand.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
Right, so all don't kid the three don't care.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
Everybody kept saying that. So they kicked it to him
before he caught the ball, like oh my, and.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
They had him wrapped up and everything like kick again,
kicking for the rest of the game.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
I ain't gonna lie, bro.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
He scored three times, but he's the plays he made
was like like he was.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Was faceball park. I ain't gonna lie to the game.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
I had to like you did the thing you that boy,
like like.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
You did the thing to you just ain't no running back.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
So yeah, I say that, but like but even that though,
like du like he just wasn't running back.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
He'll go whatever they needed for that game. I remember
they played Sammy walking them in the game to go
to state.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
For they can't out play game go to State. The
transpar I NEVERELYE said, I don't want to play running
back to day. I'm guard whatever by s catching out
and one not one catch they.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Say, because look look during school that week, the boys
like what dude say, he's gonna stick you.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
I'm like what that means? Was like, man, that man
is a running back. But he ended up sticking to
that game.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
He's talking about.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
They said, like the high school, like, no change the
high school, like they didn't make the playoffs before he
got there. He get there, they made the playoff. Every
year they win the state. They go to state twice.
He leaves, they ain't been back to they've been back.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
That's no listen.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
I ain't gonna lie. I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
This is the crazy story I got about. Do I
swear to God this that year this I see I
see him. It's playoff game, bro Like second game of
the playoffs, fourth quarter, like four minutes left them board
down like seventeen something crazy. So I go to sleep
because they game. I think it got postponed to someone
know it was late. So I'm how you see the
updates in the Facebook. I'm like, damn lost, Bro.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
In the morning, I know was twenty one nothing, Duke,
even like four minutes. They ain't changed the game plan though.
You know you're down to you to throw the ball.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
No no, no, no no our formation, counter toss lead
get a ball number three.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
But listen, it's like three four left in the game.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
I go to sleep, Bro, I go to school the
next day, I say, damn brod no loss.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
You're like, I want due score like three times minute level.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
I know he had.
Speaker 4 (41:47):
I think that's the year he had like probably like
fifteen US and the play on.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Like the whole season, dude, score like three four times
every game he scored five times and s listen.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
Listen's team hundred listen.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
He already had a great season. And the playoffs alone
had like like fifteen hundred yards.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
That's three four games.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
That's the season. That's crazy four games. He was different.
But I'm just straight. Even his first year at Miami,
but he went fair. No fact, I don't think he
should in the Miami though.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
The station I think he I think he got too
big when he got.
Speaker 7 (42:21):
He did like he got he got.
Speaker 4 (42:23):
Yeah, I feel like there's certain players like that just
don't need to stay in Miami, like don't need to
go to the youth, like.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
Like he was making Miami like that. Though actually, hell, I.
Speaker 1 (42:36):
Don't feel like it's Miami, and I feel like I
feel like it's like people don't like to admit it,
but sometimes you would be the situation of your team,
like you could go.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
To one team.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
That's what I'm saying certain way, but I don't think
it's the team. I don't think it's Miami.
Speaker 4 (42:51):
They like Okay, core Hair, it's just like what he
ran if he go to what.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
You're saying on is like the pressure, Like I think
that's different.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
He was to bail.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
That way. He was a quarterback, but again he was
a quarterback's.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Sist.
Speaker 4 (43:15):
Okay, Shawnsman had a great coge career, all that stuff, right,
Shawn Stairs went to you, Lavonte David.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
We had never heard of him before that.
Speaker 4 (43:23):
Von David played on the same you went to the
web La mate said, David played on that O seven
West End. Right, he didn't go to you.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
He was the Juko. They went in Nebraska, went in Nebraska.
They was like, who the Like they don't know that. Yeah,
level was not.
Speaker 4 (43:39):
He had one hundred and eighty four tackles in a
twelve game college football season.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
One hundred and eighty four times. You know, hard hold
one hundred eighty boys hard.
Speaker 4 (43:48):
In the NFL, you played sixteen seventeen games, every game,
twelve games, he making it every time, every tackle. I'm
trying so and then like in the league, Like, don't
get me wrong, Sean had got hurt all that stuff,
but like you you can't tell me like if Vonte
went to Miami or Seawan didn't go to Miami, he
went somewhere else, Say Sean go playing a big ten.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
It's way different, I think. So that's like saying that
for all of us, Like that's what you think. A
lot of kids go leave.
Speaker 7 (44:11):
That suite from any like skilled player.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
Who But that's what I'm saying. But that proved that
is not Miami.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
It's more so the system and the situation that you
in because think about the Miami has had coaching changes.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
So the team and it's been different. Yeah, the team
has been different. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (44:26):
Like I'm thinking about different offenses, like all three years
or something, we switched even due probably with different offenses.
Speaker 7 (44:36):
You know something, My offenses don't like small guys.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
Get out of the go to go play somewhere. You
feel me, I think, so go play somewhere.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
Boys and had a chance for no quarter back.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
Then you got to if you wanted to.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
But if you wanted to leave, you had to sit
out a whole Yeah, like, who's trying to do that?
Speaker 3 (44:53):
I wanted to leave. You kind of looked at as
like you're running from the competition. Yeah, definitely. Nowadays you
leave and everyone yeah when.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
No, Like bro, most people don't even know this. When
I went to the West, I transferred from Gable, went
to the West tenth grade. I had to catch the
bus in the train. Now, like you don't even know.
You don't even know, thise, I ain't play that whole year.
I had number eighty three game days. I had to
wear a big pass the past. I'm going to bitch
the whole year for the first time in my life.
(45:27):
You know, Yeah, I want to bitch the whole the
whole now. I had already transferred from games sophomore. It's
my tenth grade year.
Speaker 6 (45:34):
Man, I think I did hear, but listen, I did
not know that I had already transfer.
Speaker 3 (45:39):
That says because you got hurt.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
Oh ain't heard year my eleventh grade year.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
That's why I ain't had no office going into my
senior year. So my tenth grade year, I'm catching bro
I'm catching the bus in the train to school, man,
just to sit on the bench with number eighty three,
big pass.
Speaker 3 (45:54):
The numbers really matter.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
Number but no, no, no, no, no, like it can't be life.
And then watch this, I'm catching the bust and the
train back home. You know the bus and the train
run runs slow at nighttime.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
I'm getting home.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
I'm getting to the grove like at ten ten thirty,
walking back to walking back through the hood, or like
I could hit the whist was like tripping all the
way to the west.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
He was ain't even playing like he tripping.
Speaker 1 (46:20):
Like but just to watch this my eleven and twelfth
grade year, I had that redemption of to prove everybody wrong,
like oh he going to the west for no reason.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
Then to go and start get off of from Bama
or whatever. Whatever.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
That felt so God, I feel like that's lost. It's
like as soon as you face a little bit of adversity,
you're running, you running from it, like you can't run
from it forever, forever.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
It's gonna catch up with you. So you might as
well learn how to do it early. Real.
Speaker 6 (46:45):
My whole love League team, they they like, went to
the same school at first, and then I went to
the school that was districts for it, because you know,
it was like that rule at first, you know, where
you couldn't go.
Speaker 7 (46:56):
From where you lived, you know, So that's how it was.
Speaker 6 (46:59):
Yeah, So I went to Western at first, and I'm
thinking I'm good enough to be on varsity right then
in there, you know what I'm saying, man, whatever they
was like my brother turned every and now he liked that.
Speaker 3 (47:11):
Da da da.
Speaker 6 (47:12):
But then they made me play one game on JV
score five touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (47:16):
Come back.
Speaker 6 (47:17):
Now they moved me up and now I got to
play in front of this kid. He had five touchdowns
the week after and the game be pat five touchdowns,
game winning touchdown, like two minutes left, blurted up on
the right side. He thinking that boy, so bruh get
hurt like five games in, so now it's my time
to go.
Speaker 3 (47:35):
I got number thirty six. So that's crazy. I number
slide thirty.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
Six on one hundred and thirty pound.
Speaker 6 (47:43):
Bro, sixty, I want sixty, Bro, I'm won sixty like
soaking wet, I'm really like one fifty something. Yeah, And
I just sco and after that it kind of like
got better, but the year still was like by him
when he got back. Then I go to Saint Thomas
and they played like seniority out there at first, like
because the kids been there, like the receivers. There was
(48:06):
Mike Harley, it was Trey Autumn boys, right, And I
come in and we got this new we got this
new receiver. So off the rip, they're not letting me
like get busy right away. I'm saying, I'm not getting
in until like the sixth player of the game, because
like the starters got to play like the first drive.
Speaker 3 (48:24):
No matter what. In the first drive, Saint Thomas is scoring,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (48:28):
So it's like it's like I can't score until like
third fourth quarter, and you score third fourth quarter, We're
going it out.
Speaker 3 (48:34):
Nobody's in the stands. So I'm like my mom and
them come to the game.
Speaker 6 (48:38):
I'm crying every day, Bron, I'm like don't even come
to the game, you know, like because they.
Speaker 3 (48:44):
Seeing me go crazy.
Speaker 6 (48:46):
And then next next thing, you know, like Tom going
and I got the redemption, Like I was like I
got to really show like okay, like this is what
I could do.
Speaker 3 (48:53):
I'm getting back.
Speaker 6 (48:53):
But now a lot of people who run from that,
you know, they'll they'll get those moments and it's not
going right for them, even though it's not even you
really it's not even that serious something. You just gotta
thug it out. You know, it's gonna it's gonna get
you right, you know, because the hungry you get just
got the hard Yeah, I gotta work. Somebody told me
this a little example. It was like, spend that like
because when you spend it, you're gonna work hard.
Speaker 3 (49:15):
So you can get it back.
Speaker 8 (49:15):
No fact, obviously don't don't do that.
Speaker 3 (49:21):
I obviously don't think the situation.
Speaker 6 (49:23):
But when you spend money, and like the way money
is viewed, it's like, yo, you spend something, better work
to get it.
Speaker 3 (49:29):
You're gonna do your hardest to get it back.
Speaker 6 (49:31):
So that was my perspective, like I bet some on
gonna make me hungry to like never make a mistake.
You know what I'm saying when that person mayo, if
you want a mistake away from me, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 8 (49:41):
So look that's how I looked at it, same thing,
like it just being an NFL bro, Like I tip
you all time that they drafted to replace you every year,
no care.
Speaker 4 (49:54):
Like every year like nah somebody first time. I third
he better than you, Like he's supposed to be better
than you. I'm a fifth rounder, Like I literally going
there with a mindset like every life, every wave by
the phone cut they like, don't nobody call me like
I might get like even when I'm like a starter,
capain whatever, like bro, I might get cut.
Speaker 3 (50:13):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (50:13):
I always had that mindset because like somebody always working,
you know what I'm saying. Not even that like they
they want somebody, it's a business. They want somebody to
replace you, Like this is what it is. So like
I was telling I was talking to these kids in
my high school, I'm like, you know, the reason, like
I'm really fortunate to be in the NFL is like
every year, like they want somebody to replace me, And
(50:34):
I go in with a mindset that you gotta beat
me out every day for my job, like because I'm
gonna do everything right every day. I'm gonna go to
every meeting about take league. I'm talking about every day,
like every day you gotta beat me. A training camp
is a loan. It's six weeks. You can't do one
week better than me or theay better than me, Like
you gotta do this every day. And I'm gonna just
(50:55):
be consistent every day and do my job doing i'm
suposed to every day and if somebody better than me,
you got to be better than me every day and
that's my redemption every like like it's.
Speaker 3 (51:05):
It was ten linebackers taking them before me.
Speaker 4 (51:07):
It's like three of us still standing, see and like
that was like right when the time, like Jake supposed
he was like this, she was still around a decade
from now, Like that's my mindset, like.
Speaker 3 (51:17):
Ten years, like I always have people. How many you
to play ten?
Speaker 4 (51:19):
Just like a post that was still around a decade
I'm not like for realtivity like it was tenl like
like you was early early, but I know you still
got Like now I supposed to be like you said,
the first round, everybody can't go first round, pick four
or three whatever, you was over there.
Speaker 3 (51:36):
But I'm picked one fifty one.
Speaker 4 (51:39):
I'm like or whatever I was on sixty one, I'm like, damn,
like you know how bad well I got picked?
Speaker 3 (51:43):
Bro?
Speaker 4 (51:43):
Like coach, ain't pick me? Like you know, ain't nobody
go up into the mic p you know pick me?
Speaker 3 (51:48):
Bro? They had a regata picked me from Indianapolis. Zoo oh,
that's just so like.
Speaker 4 (51:59):
About the feel no more like no, we just drive
were just taking anybody, like you know, your first round
pick boy, like like like we're just gonna take him,
like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (52:15):
We need another line back on the spot on the
rosters just for sure? Are we going to close it out?
This last question?
Speaker 5 (52:21):
I'm curious like y'all because y'all at different points kind
of think like we go like like what's when you
look back, like what's success like for your career?
Speaker 7 (52:35):
What is what?
Speaker 3 (52:36):
Like how do you feel like you find how you
find it? But like what's success? I think it's consistency.
Speaker 4 (52:46):
You know, I don't seen a lot of players go
you know, one year ball out go crazy or two
years ball out go crazy. You should get hurt or
you know, anything happened. You know what I'm saying, like,
just don't be the same player. But like the ones
that like I don't seen like the great ones I've seen,
just they just consistent, Like I go back to my position,
like Lavonte David, like just consistently been a great player,
(53:09):
you know what I'm saying, a good player, not even
sometimes not even a great year, but a good year,
you know what I'm saying. Then don't have a great
year and a great year and a good year, solid year,
good year, great year, you know what I'm saying, Like
those are the players that I look too, Like I
mean Antonio Brown like that point, yeah, like yeah after
year after year after yeah after Yeah, he was like
(53:30):
you know, and that's why we talk about him being
a consistent, like him being a great because he's because
he was consistent for so many years.
Speaker 3 (53:37):
Same for me, you know, but I'm also asking for you.
Speaker 5 (53:41):
Oh for me, it's success for you like when the
career is, when your career is complete, whatever that time is.
Speaker 4 (53:46):
What's successful That I left no stone unturned, you know
that I was able to take everything and I don't
have no regret, you know, like damn, I should have
did this or I should listen to cool when he
told me do this or something like that, like anything
like if somebody give me some some type of like
advice or something like that, like I'm gonna look into it,
(54:07):
you know what I'm saying, Like I don't never want
to go through like all I had to do is
this or you know, I didn't do this, So that's
why I didn't like that. That's always since I've been
playing football, I never always said like if I could
finish playing and be like I had no regrets, I
did everything that I wanted to do, like no matter
how it turned out, like I could you know, right now,
I honestly to say I could never play another down
in football, and I would be I'll be okay because
(54:31):
I feel like I did everything that I could do,
you know, to be here and you know, play the
game as long as I could.
Speaker 6 (54:39):
I feel like for me as I don't think, I
think most of the time you always gone, I said,
always my example, super super high of what I want
to do, you know. So I think it's just kind
of being the best version of myself no matter the situation.
So it's kind of similar to what he said as well.
(55:01):
But when when I leave, we get one chance at this.
You know, like we live in our dream. You know,
not everybody can say that they do that. Can wake
up every day in legal dream, even the days you
don't want to get up to go do this, to
run to hit or whatever, living my dream.
Speaker 3 (55:17):
So I can't complain.
Speaker 6 (55:18):
But you're going fall short to some things you know
that you thought you wanted or whatever. But as long
as I keep going, you know what I'm saying. I
think the person you know, I forgot who we heard
it from. I think it was we was in Puerto Rico,
he said. The person that that was that was JK.
Speaker 3 (55:36):
Yeah, he said.
Speaker 1 (55:37):
The person that's who can state he said. He says,
it's all about who could stay focused.
Speaker 3 (55:41):
The longest, that stuck with me.
Speaker 7 (55:43):
And that's really that's that's the truth, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (55:46):
Because it's like, Okay, yeah, this year didn't go your way,
but you was healthy the whole season, you know what
I'm saying, And nobody died outside. You know what I'm saying,
There's so much you could look at and be like, Okay,
this was still positive. It's like not not a positive.
So you just got to keep stepping, you know. For me,
it looks as you know, I don't want to know
regrets too. But at the end of the day, like
(56:07):
get one chance. I'm trying to go as hard as
I can every year.
Speaker 1 (56:11):
Honestly, I really got the same exact responses a wall,
like staying consistent. That's that's what success is, like year
in and year out, you could be depended on. That's
what success is, and successful me is the same thing
he said, like leaving no stone unturned, like putting your
best foot for you know, every year.
Speaker 2 (56:33):
The only thing I would.
Speaker 1 (56:34):
Add to that it's still on the same lines or
leaving no stone turns. It's just like you can never
master football. Don't ever look at the game like you've
mastered it. You never arrived, Like it's an eternal journey,
like you always getting better, you always learning new information,
synthesizing that information. It's like, for example, this year, it's
(56:57):
like I'm more focused on what I eat. I've learned
new you know, So I'm focused on what I eat
so that my engine can run better, so that I
can be better, you know what I'm saying. Like last year,
I didn't have that type of information, so I was
only working. I was only being the best version of
who I was at that time. But now I have
new information and I'm trying to be even better. So
(57:19):
I think that's the only thing I would add is
never arriving, like never feeling like you mastered the game,
always trying to learn, like for example, like they like
they say, the game is always evolving, right, you got
these you got new players come into the league, These
these young receivers, they nice like yo, Like, like I said,
I don't really be looking at other players. I've also
be focused on my own game, like trying to get better.
(57:40):
But like it's inevitable that you will watch film with them,
you know, like when you studying film for the other
team and see these young guys, they kind of do
stuff a little bit different. Like I'm grabbing from everybody,
you know what I'm saying, Like I got the mindset.
It's like you can learn from anybody. You can learn
from a baby, like I think j Cole, like he
one of my favorite artists, say the best. He was like,
(58:01):
you know, I've seen the baby crowd in seconds later
she laughed the beauty of life. The pain never laughs
like in that situation, He's like he was able to
learn from a baby, Like even if it was something
that he already knew, it was a reminder for him.
It was like damn, like pain really never laughs, Like
so what am I?
Speaker 2 (58:17):
So?
Speaker 1 (58:17):
What am I so like mad about right now? You
know what I'm saying. So that's how I'm approaching the game.
It's just like, yeah, I can learn from anybody. I
can learn from somebody who I might feel like I'm
better than that. He might do something better than me,
like one thing better than me, Like I need that,
you know what I'm saying, Like never have enough, never
have too much pride to to get better.
Speaker 6 (58:38):
Got you the everybody like children because when you're a kid, yeah,
you know, so I feel like that's like a way
to look at it.
Speaker 3 (58:46):
What about you? For me, I don't know the way.
Speaker 5 (58:51):
The way I try to live is And now I
got two kids to see even more imprinted. It's like legacy,
you know. So like I was like the first person
in my immediate family to graduate from college play college football,
you know, so like just continue to hit these milestones
so I leave it for them, you know. Like I
got a little cousin who comes he just got offered
(59:11):
by Miami like he's live, you know, but like hopefully
he saw me do something, you know, like hopefully my
family saw me do something that's like y'all want to
be like him, you know. And so it's the same
thing with just our community, you know, or just just
our race, you know, just just trying to be an example.
So I'm all about just trying to leave leave something
man like, leave a legacy, Leave leave an example that
(59:34):
if you want to do it, you can do it.
Speaker 3 (59:36):
Appreciate it. Boys, I got connect.
Speaker 2 (59:40):
That was nice and I might start a podcast.
Speaker 9 (59:52):
Walks Painton was a warrior running with me and rookies
couldn't hope him wait up and one of his creed
as a creek through the zone. I am known as
a monster, the new Larry Zon Cabal and Hall going
long and somebody either answer trying to stop Barry Sanders
and Shunks in the game. You just the salamander never
had the boundary running through Yeo town, keep your head
up and rush.
Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
We looked like Jim.
Speaker 6 (01:00:12):
Brown checking out, y'all. Hope you guys enjoyed everything. You know,
we had a great combo with the guys today. You
guys want to keep listening. Man, check it out on
Spotify or whatever.
Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
You guys look at it
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