April 12, 2025 • 38 mins
Voice of the Chiefs, Mitch Holthus and senior team reporter, Matt McMullen preview the upcoming 2025 NFL Draft, kicking off on April 24 in Green Bay, Wisconsin!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It has been a hallmark of Kansas City Chiefs football
ever since Andy Reid drove into town. And that is
to be prepared for everything. So Green Bay, We're getting closer,
Green Bay, here we come, and it's Pip again that
is prepared in position. And this Defending the Kingdom episode
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will focus in as we get closer to the draft.
Of course, it's brought to you by Ticketmaster. They are
your best friends even throughout the spring summer and getting
ready for the season for concerts, special events, and of
course the twenty twenty five season.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Let's keep it on an RPO at the five.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
It's a lead plot.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
He goes into the ends on their side, touchdown Chusas City. Howeveryone,
I Mitch hold this Voice of the Chiefs along with
senior team reporter Matt McMullen, and here we are. One
of the great things. I like Matt a lot. But
one of the things I like about Matt.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Is his dog.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
And you've we've talked about his dog, Pip before. In anytime,
I can find an acronym that will fit Pip the Dog.
I talk about the spirit of Pip a lot when
I speak publicly. A lot of you have heard that
in my presentations. But this Pip is prepared in position
Pip for the Kansas City Chiefs as they approach the
twenty twenty five NFL Draft in Green Bay, and that's
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we're going to focus on over the next several minutes.
But a shout out to Pip, the best dog on
the planet right now.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Pip the Dog.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
One day we'll do a full special on how Mitch
and I might be clinically insane with the amount of
superstition we place on my dog. I mean, it's got
us to three straight Super Bowls and we've won two
of them. So I remember this. So Mitch created the
whole spirit of Pip, kind of talking about like we
need to play with the spirit of my crazy dog
years ago. And I so distinctly remember walking into my
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office the morning of the AFC Championship game in twenty
twenty two against the Bengals. Big game, kind of a
crossroads moment in the history of the Kansas City Chiefs
in my opinion, and we're all, you know, ready to go,
but we're stressed out.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
It's a big game.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
And I walk in my office and Mitch has left
a sticky note that says sop spirit of Pip on
my computer. I have not moved that. It's been like
three years now. It's still right there on my computer.
Hasn't fallen off. I don't mess with it, and it's
brought us some pretty good luck.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
I talk about the spirit of Pip and the power
of the mangy Mutt, because Pip is that. If you
want to go win purple ribbon, watch the movie Dog Show,
which is one of the great movies of all time,
and want.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Some dog prantsing around.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Fine, if you want your best hunting dog, your best
farm dog, your best guard dog, go get a mangy
mut like Pip, who's a beautiful dog by the way.
So anyway, but prepared an in position. That's where the
chiefs are before we dive into I dive into that.
Let's go around the world. Yep, let's do it.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
I got six for you today, for Brian Cook, who
might have an even bigger role here this year with
Justin Reid no longer in town.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Which, by the way, in the twenty twenty two draft,
I have to tell you, I wish I could have
videoed it when we took Brian Cook. You basically, lou
you elevated above the table.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Well, it's fun during the draft process because Mitch and
I cram for like two months like all these prospects,
trying to learn as much as we can, and we'll
have so much fun, like texting each other saying did
you watch so and so?
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Did you watch this guy or that guy?
Speaker 4 (03:16):
And early in the draft process, I just watched Brian
Cook and I'm like, this guy's really good. It could be,
you know, a great versatile safety who can hit and
tackle but also cover, and then we got him in
the second round.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
You know, it makes you feel.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Kind of good about yourself that when you're watching these
hours of tape, maybe just maybe Brett Viach likes those
guys too, and we kind of know what we're doing.
I don't know, anyway, we pretend to, at least so
six today. I saw Dane working security over at the
Royals game on Thursday, met Dame before and the Royals
won that night. It was one of those crazy games
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where it was one to one and in the eighth inning,
Bobby wit Like grounded out to the pitcher, but the
Twins pitcher overthrew the first baseman and which just took off.
Made it the third and then Vinnie pas Quentino had
a little dribbler that went like twenty feet but the
defense couldn't make a play and went scored.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Royals won. It was great.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Was that the game Pip was in is a dog
in the park game.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
This is a different game. I've been to a lot
of Royals games already this year. We went to Bark
in the Park against the Orioles a couple of Fridays ago.
We were there for four or five innings. Pitp will
do it for a little bit and then she's like,
we gotta go. He was also like thirty degrees and raining,
but we went. It was fun and I think the
Royals won that one too. I was at Chipotle earlier
this week and ran into Bob in line. He worked
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for the Chiefs for like thirty years beginning in the seventies.
Really small world. Told me some stories about when he
was working for the Chiefs. I think he was in accounting,
but really nice guy, and we just were passing the
time in the Chipotle line.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
So shout out to you, Bob.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Bob Sterton was that his name?
Speaker 4 (04:46):
Gosh, I can't remember his last name, but maybe he
was here a long time.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
I was thinking of a Bob in accounting, and I
don't know why Bob Sterton flew into my head.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
It very well could be him. Yeah, but he loved
the Chiefs. Love this time here and yeah, still in
the area. Eric at Royal's opening Day. That's now three
Royals games that I've been to. I was in the
parking lot, just tail getting with some friends and Eric
introduced himself.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
So shout out to you.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Eric.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Samantha is listening from Indiana. Chad is originally from Independence, Missouri,
graduated from William Christman High School.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
The Bears, there we go.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
It's a good mascot.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
That's a good one.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
He now lives in Florida. And then remember Becky from
South O'weita. You're wondering what high school she went to.
She went to Shawnee Mission Northwest, home.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Of the they're the Cougars.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Yep, two time state basketball champions. They've been really good.
And their fight song is they were University of Houston
fight song. Really they came into being Sawna Mission Northwest
late sixties early seventies, when the University of Houston was
kind of coming into its own football crazy putting up
numbers Warren McVeigh and then also basketball Alvin Hayes and
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all that time. So what SHAWNA Mission did, It was like,
we're going to be the Cougars. Let's take the Houston
Cougars fight song. Okay, pretty So if you go to
Shunning Mission Northwest game, you're going to hear the University
of Houston fight.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
So tough one for the Houston Cougars a few days ago.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Oh boy, Yeah, seeing Kelvin Sampson just seeing the life.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yeah, flash in front of his eyes.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
That's tough.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
He's sixty nine, this is his shot, and.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Yeah, that's tough. Sports are tough.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
They are tough.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Why winning is so awesome?
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Yeap, believe it's tough, and you but you go, if
you're in it long enough, you win super Bowl rings,
win three of them like we have, very proud of it.
And then you also down thirty four to nothing in
the Super Bowl to a really good Philadelphia team, which
is what we're trying to rebound from as we get
ready for twenty twenty five. And I always talk to
publicly about how the Chiefs are awesome at handling flash points,
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but they prepare and The first thing we're going to
do here is talk about review really quickly since March
the twelfth and what has happened and where Brett Veach
has been intentional strategic with his staff. And this includes
salary cap staff, this includes everybody, the whole building, really,
but Brett's been brilliant. So nine new players, four on offense,
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five on DEFENSEKEP thirteen players. If you go back to
the previous episodes, that's the green, red, black. Green you
gain players, red you lose players, and black you keep players.
So nine new players, four offense and five defense. Kept
thirteen five offense, six defense, two special teamers. In this
since March the twelfth, we have either signed or kept
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offensive lineman, wide receivers, running backs, tight ends and quarterbacks,
interior linemen, edge players, linebackers, corners and safeties, and specialists.
To me, that feels like it covers everything. And what
we've done here is position ourselves not to be desperate
or predictable going into the twenty twenty five draft. The
Chiefs and Brettveach have done a masterful job every year
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of that where the cards stay close to the best.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
And a quick side note you and I had talked
before off camera about how has had to a short
episode because I had to go get my windows looked at.
The guy just texted me and said that later in
the day works, so we don't have to truncate this
episode anymore. For those listening, you're like, just get on
with it anyway. I'm with you at ten. We can't
do that.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
That'd be an ethics violation.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Yeah, I think it would be if.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
This guy tend windows are expensive.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
So I've learned that during this process because we have
an older house and a lot of the windows are original,
like from like nineteen forty nine. And it's not so
much the window. The window actually is holding up well,
it's the framing of it that just looks bad. I
want to replace them, and I've learned over the last
couple of weeks that windows are very expensive. Getting a
third quote here today, but this guy is down to
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meet me later today, so I don't have to worry
about getting through the super quick. I am with you
about everything you said, because it is impossible to predict
who will be available at thirty one.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Overall and throughout the draft.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
This is what we talk about all the time with
the parody of the NFL. It's designed so teams like
the Chiefs cannot sustain success. Well, they found a way
to do that over the years, to find a way
to keep doing it. And one way to do that
is to not bank on a certain position or player
falling to you at thirty one. Overall, that is a
losing strategy. And what the Chiefs have done here is
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they have addressed a lot of needs and a lot
of holes on this roster so they can approach the
draft saying we're going to take the best players available.
You don't have to take an offensive tackle because you
believe that Jalen Moore can come in here and compete
for a starting role on this team. You don't have
to take a defensive back because you go out and
get Christian Fulton and you think he can help fill
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a role on this team as an outside corner who
can really help steuce Bagnolo in this defense. You don't
have to take a defensive tackle because you go out
and get Jerry Tillery, former first round pick, who you
believe in and who is still young and can contribute.
So what I'm trying to say is when the board falls,
we're going to watch and see what position, what player
is there. And when you approach an off season like
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the Chiefs have, we're not going to look at it
and say, ah, all the blank position are gone, what
are we to do.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
It's the opposite.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
It's hey, these guys went early, this guy's still on
the board, and this guy can help us somehow. Someway
and I love how we've approached this offseason because, as
we'll get into again, banking on a certain position or
player at thirty one overall is not a good strategy.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Nope.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
And we'll get into how you you basically have insurance
against that, and we'll give you practical examples of how
the Chiefs have done exactly that. But attacking this draft,
this is what Bredbeach does.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
He attacks him.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
We've seen him regularly move up, he's moved down and
like in twenty one, basically, and think what happened in
the twenty one draft to get Nick Bolton and Creed Humphrey,
then later in the sixth round to get Trey Smith.
But attacking this draft the thirty first, if everything stays
the same, thirty first, sixty third, sixty six, ninety five,
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let's take those four picks. You're getting four picks as
a team that has been to five Super Bowls in
the last six years, you're getting for the top one
hundred picks That to me positions the Chiefs to be
able to attack and be aggressive in the draft.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Is the sixty six the LJ sneaed trade.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Yes, that pick working out the way that it did,
and I mean that's just incredible GMing by Brett Veach
in this entire front office. But yeah, I mean, what
an opportunity. This is something that we talked about ahead
of the twenty twenty two draft that how often do
you have it where you have a team that is
in this championship window and as long as Patrick Mahomes
is here, we're in a championship window. But you have
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so much young talent on this team and talent that's
been to Super Bowls and won Super Bowls and you
have a chance to add to it.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Here.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
A lot of times teams that are in the position
that the Chiefs are in over the decades, those teams
are up against it. They're running out of time, they're older,
or it's a team it's kind of on the down trend. Well,
the Chiefs are not that because the Chiefs are still
one of the youngest teams in the NFL, they have
the best quarterback in the league, they have the best
coach in the NFL, and they have an opportunity to
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get even better with this draft. And that's why the Chiefs,
in addition to of course having Mahomes and Kelsey and
Chris Jones and coach Read the way that Brett each
has been able to constantly refill this roster with talent
through the draft, despite picking at the bottom of each round.
It's just incredible. So I can't wait to see what
we have in store here. I'm more excited for this
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draft than I have been in previous years, and I'm
normally really excited for the draft, and this year for
some reason, just because of the opportunity ahead of us,
and also the way the team has been positioned to
really just take the best players available and just make
this roster better, not worrying too much about reaching for
certain positions. I'm just really fired up about it.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Yeah, and that's why we're calling it prepared in position.
That's what Bret Veach and his staff have done. And
even the three picks in the seventh round sounds strangely familiar.
If it is, it's the twenty twenty two draft. There
were three picks in the seventh round. Oh, let's see
Isaiah Piicicko, Jalen Watson and Nazy Johnson.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
And all three have.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Been to Super Bowls in their first three years and
one two of them. You do an awesome job. And
if follow Matt and his articles, he does on certain
rounds because other seventh round picks.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
This is your twenty twenty four article, Kevin Ross, Dave Zott.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
We mentioned the three and twenty two Nick aligready, so
you don't sleep on the seventh round at all. And
the fact that you have three picks in the seventh
who could come out of that group. Brett Veach and
his staff have shown they've done a remarkable job. Now
let's go back to your point and revisit it about
being prepared and in position, because where the chiefs have
been able to by putting yourselves in a position, not
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being exposed in any certain area or teams know you're desperate,
that's when you make a reach pick many times, or
you become vulnerable to a trade where you can be exposed. Yeah, okay,
for sure, or here's the biggest one, what Brett Veach
has done and what the Chiefs have done. There is
always a rush on a position, always a rush, and
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that rush happens before we pick at thirty one or
thirty two, or thirty one or thirty two, where we've
been the last several years. Let's take twenty two a well,
let's take twenty one. The first three picks were quarterbacks
twenty twenty one. So what did that do? It put
Brettveach in a position where he traded down and he
gets and let's be honest, we've said this before. Once
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you get past pick twenty, it does seem to be
kind of muddled with an extension of the second round
and even the third. So there's a there's like sixty
what would that be, sixty to ten more picks, like
seventy picks that all seem to be in the same
popcorn popper. Because what Brett Beach did in twenty one
was able to trade down and get Knit Bolton, Creed
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Humphrey and then later Trey Smith in the sixth.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
What's always funny about the draft is there are generally
unless someone forfeits their pick thirty two picks in the
first round right well over the course of the draft
process and all the analysis and the mock drafts and
everything that happen in weeks and months before the draft.
Depending on where you look, like sixty players are supposed
to go in the first round, right, and that makes
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it impossible to know who exactly is actually going to
be there, who would be a reach, who would be
a player that would be a great value, And that's
where you rely on your scouting staff. Every front office
is different, and even though you kind of assume every
team has like a great, rock solid scouting staff, I
truly believe that not always the case. And we're very
fortunate to have a great one here in Kansas City.
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And the results speak for themselves. Finding those guys in
the seventh round like Pachecko and Jayleen Watson and Nazi Johnson,
guys that are being picked in the two hundreds and
contribute and help you win Super Bowls. I mean, that's
really hard to do. And our scouting staff is second
to none. But I look at like twenty twenty three,
I think it was where there was a lot of
buzz that the Chiefs might want to take a receiver,
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right so you might be watching the draft saying, okay,
let's see where the top receivers are, and not a
single receiver was taken in that draft, I believe, through
the first nineteen picks and where we were picked, it's like, okay, great,
like we can probably get a receiver here. At least
one of the top four guys is going to be there.
Right Well, no, because then immediately at pick number twenty,
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Jackson Smith and Jigba goes, Then Quentin Johnston goes at
twenty one, Zave Flowers at twenty two, and Jordan Addison
at twenty three. So again, if you're watching the draft
and saying, I want this position in the first round
no matter what, and you're picking at thirty one, you
might be disappointed because something like that might happen. So again,
the Chiefs are in a great spot here where I
can't tell you there's one position they have to take.
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If you really look at this roster and dig into it,
look at the talent, look at the depth that we have.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
They don't have to do that.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
They can really let the board fall to them, which
is what the best teams do, and the Chiefs through
the years have done a great job at that.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
I've given the analogy of playing bridge and bidding no trump,
meaning you're not relying on diamond spades, clubs or hearts.
You can play them all. And that's where yeah, Brett
Veach is and.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
With the staff in the straft twenty two, the run
on wide receivers very similar.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
That was the big wide receiver class. Boom boo, boom,
here we go.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
But what it did was push Trent McDuffie in a
position where he could make the trade to get to
twenty one. Brett Beach could and in the first round
you get McDuffie and Karl Offtis. It's crazy that was
produced because of the run in twenty four. It happened
again last year. Six quarterbacks were taken in the first
twelve picks. Well, that shoves down Xavier Worthy, who in
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maybe some other draft would have been taken long before
the Chiefs would pick.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
What do they do?
Speaker 1 (17:27):
They move with Buffalo up to twenty eight and get
Xavier Worthy reacting to the run. But being able to
react to the run in a myriad of ways is
where the Chiefs have been able to really make their
hay in the draft.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Yeah, it gets back to what I was saying about
how there are like fifty or sixty players that everyone
thinks will go in the first round. Kind of the
same for the top fifteen. There's like thirty players that
everyone thinks are going to go in the top fifteen,
which obviously doesn't make any sense. And that's why on
Draft Night in twenty twenty two, we do our live
show and we don't know who we're taken until we
find out with you all. And when we found out
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that we were getting Trent McDuffie, I remember thinking to
myself throughout the entire draft process, I didn't even think
that was a possibility because he was going to be
a top fifteen pick, And for him to fall to
twenty one and Brett trades up and gets him just
an amazing selection. And getting George Carloftis at was it
thirty overall?
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Yeah, I mean that was another guy that I think
if you look around in the pre draft stuff in
twenty twenty two, most people thought George Carloftis was going
at least in the top twenty five, probably top twenty.
You get him at thirty overall, just a matter of
taking advantage of those opportunities and in that draft. Looking
back at it, I don't think corner was necessarily a
huge Like, hey, the Chiefs have to take a corner
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in the first round, but when Trent McDuffie's there, it's like,
we have to go get that guy. And now I
can't really imagine this defense without Trip McDuffie. I assure
you we don't win two Super Bowls in three years
without Trip McDuffie. We've talked about his play against Brock
Purty and that Nickel blitz where he batted down the
pass and gave my Homes an opportunity to tie and
later win the game. We don't do any of that
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without Trent McDuffie. And that was foresight by Brett Veach
to say, we don't necessarily need a corner right now,
but we can go get a future all pro corner
if we want to. And they did that, and I
look forward to hopefully doing that again here in a
couple weeks.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
And again, if you heads your bet that way, you
can move up or down, and we've seen Brettveach do that.
So again, the Chiefs are unpredictable in the draft, but
it's a really big deal to be able to react
to the run, because there are some teams that after
the run happens and you've got precious minutes to make
the decision, they don't handle it well or they're exposed
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at a certain spot, and sometimes the run can be surprising.
We've seen it that it becomes shocking. But you're like, Okay,
the run came at this position. Here's how we'll adjust
and either trade down, trade up to get McDuffie, or
pick this certain spot. And honestly, the Chiefs have done
this year after year after year, especially since COVID. When
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you see how this roster has been put together, the
picking at thirty one and sixty three and sixty six
because I'm going to throw those three together, leave ninety
five out of it. But again we said this popcorn
popper that once you get past twenty in most drafts, well,
there's not much difference, right, especially this year. I think, hey,
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this year for sure. Now, the one thing of a
first round pick is the fifth year option. We mentioned
that you get the fifth year option. Xavier Worthy, the
Chiefs will have a fifth year option with him where
he wouldn't ter necessarily enter free agency if they exercise
that ouction to keep him for an additional year. So
that's an advantage for a team in the first round.
Other than that, you can do some real damage here.
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But what you want to do, in my opinion, and
this has been proven in thirty one, sixty three or
sixty six, you want a Day one starter. Yeah, who
had that Day one starter then eventually becomes a Pro Bowler.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
That's your a grade here.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
And if you're drafting top ten, you want to Pro
Football Hall of Famer eventually. But if you're sitting at
thirty one, sixty three or sixty six focusing on getting
a starter and one who would eventually become a Pro
Bowl or All Pro player, and I think maybe you
and our an agreement here. We're defensive line, especially the
interior defensive line. There seems to be more names there.
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And I'm gonna give you the surgeon General's warning here.
We did not talk to bred Beach. In fact, we're
in peril here.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
These are our opinions. These are our opinions, right, Mitch
and Matt.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
This is not the Chiefs and the worst thing anyway,
this is a surgeon.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Don't say this is what Veach is thinking, because no, it's.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Just us and that happens sometimes because I do like
videos on different position groups and I'll just talk about
certain players that I like, and sometimes people will comment
things like, ooh, this is a smoke screen. It's like, no,
this is just Matt. This is just Matt talking. This
is nobody else talking. So yeah, everything that we're gonna
say here is just us. Okay, So just us.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
And looking at Day one starters in the defensive line,
which to me would be a home run out of
the park. Bobby Wood Junior gaining two bags on a
one base air would be finding a inside defensive replacement
or not a replacement, A great compliment, especially to Chris Jones.
Now what bred Beach has done again. That defensive line rotation,
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which to me, and I've talked to Spags about this
a lot, was a big reason the Chiefs got to
the Super Bowl, went fifteen to two. The Chiefs were rare.
They had an eight player rotation on the defensive front.
We talked about guys going inside and outside, but to
be able to move guys in and out and not
really miss a beat.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
So you've got to replace Turk Wharton.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
You lose Derek Noddy, but you get Mike panel back
you talked about Tillery coming in. But if you can
get someone in the thirty one, sixty three or sixty
six that becomes a Day one starter who can be
right there with Chris Jones and the rest and regain
that eight man rotation. Now you're really poised to take
a run at the whole enchilade again in twenty twenty five.
(22:56):
A couple guys come to mind here. I'll let you
start and see what you say. Interior defensive line. If
it was you to pick, I'll let you have two
and I'll pick two.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
I think it's funny too, because Chris Jones was picked
in that range that you're talking about. He was the
first pick of the second round, right he was, Yeah,
sure was way back in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
Yeah, So you can find all the good players there.
And I think, just like you said, the depth and
the strength of this draft, particularly in the context of
the Chiefs, is a defensive line and maybe particularly defensive tackle.
A lot of good edge players too that I like
a lot, but defensive tackle is really intriguing, and we're
gonna have an opportunity, I think, to add to our
defensive line in this draft. But quick caveat talking about
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like the runs and stuff. It's possible a run could
happen like a twenty one overall where all the players
that we talk about go Infortunately, again we keep like
hitting home this point. But the Chiefs are in a
position where if that happened, I'd be like, Okay, Like,
there's plenty of other spots to go so anyway.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
And honestly, I predict that's what the run will be.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Could be.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Yeah, I think the run will be after pick seven
teen or eighteen on the defensive line and they just
start flying off the board.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
So I'm picking one guy or two guys? You get
two too, Okay.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
Well, Derek Harmon's one guy that I like a lot
that I've watched quite a bit from Oregon. Just one
year at Oregon, he was a Michigan State transfer but
had just an incredible season for them. I think he
had like fifty five pressures. I think that led all
interior defensive lineman and the FBS last year. This is
a really disruptive player who's also really good against the run.
So Derek Harmon's guy to know and then a guy
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that I know you like a lot as well as
Walter Nolan from Ole, miss just a game wrecker at
interior defensive tackle in All American last year. A great
pass rusher, great against the run, just a really really
good player. So I'm not breaking any news here with
those guys. Those are two of the top defensive tackles
in this draft. But Derek Harmon and Walter Nolan are
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certainly two names to know.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
I'd be thrilled if the Chiefs get either one of
those guys, because I think they can be Day one starter.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Just as we explained.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Next to Chris Jones, one of those guys.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Come on, let's go with the edge guys we already have, yeah, right,
because Charles Amna who's resigned, and you have an emerging
or improving FAU out there, still have Carlo Loftus and
Mike Danna. They're all here, folks. That's what I'm telling
you my two I would pick. And again, when you
look at these defensive linemen, if you're a draft nerd,
you really have to look at scheme as well, because
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in this group of players that fit this inside defensive
tech three tech, zero tech, one tech kind of five
tech is what is spags a scheme? And how do
they being versatile and being a two gap guy. Right,
So think of a I don't want to say, a
better version of Turk Wharton because he was really good.
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But so I'm going scheme specific to what spags would go.
He'd knuckle on the table. So Tyler Williams of Ohio
State's a two gap guy that has shown some explosiveness
as well. All right, and I'm only going to pick two,
but I'm gonna throw and third Darius Alexander. But the
guy I like, and you know I like him because
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he was one of those I sent to you of
going I can't stop watching this guy. I went back
and watched him because I saw a young Chris Jones
and it's Alfred Collins of Texas. Here's where I'm at
on every position in this draft is wingspan. Maybe I'm
affected by Super Bowl fifty nine.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Yeah, because Josh Schwat's wingspan dominated.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Okay, wingspan, it's the most underrated metric in all of sports,
all of it. And when I see Collins, I see
a guy that's willing to play two gap. Seven passes deflected,
seven blocked kicks, plays, two gap, can still rush the passer.
I think of him fingertip to fingertip with Charles and
Menehu and Chris Jones all with over seven foot wingspins.
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So now I cover twenty three feet.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Of the field on the width.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
That's crazy, which I gotta be careful you don't fall
in love with any one guy because of the run
that can happen in any one of these guys that
we mentioned. I'll be knuckling on the table for them.
But that's an example.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
And one thing that kind of is the common denominator
I think with all these players is their motor.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
I love with Collins.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
He's like three hundred and thirty pounds, but there is
tape of him on screens turning around and chasing down
the running back at three hundred and thirty pounds, Like
you don't always see that, particularly for guys that know
they're going to be drafted pretty early. They might be like, ah,
you know that's by me, that's not my area. I'm
not rushing the passer anymore. It doesn't matter. Collins was
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like a gamer, like he wanted to win, and those
are the players that I want here. And I really
noticed that with Kyleik Williams as well and Darius Alexander
a great run defender. A lot of times with these
pass rushers, even at interior defensive tackle, they don't always
want to play the run. They just want to rush
the passer. Darius Alexander loves rushing the passer and rushing
and tackling the running back and play the run. So
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those are important things that I think we've seen throughout
this process. And those are just a few names to know.
There's going to be a lot of guys at defensive
tackle who are intriguing. And again, I think it's where
the depth of this class is.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Where does Toledo get these guys Quinyan Mitchell, no idea
if I'll go to Toledo and find guys like that
every year, because you know how much I love Quinyan Mitchell.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
I had to watch them in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
But any kareem hunt, you know, and where do they
find these guys?
Speaker 2 (28:25):
I don't know, found out to Toledo Rockets. Uh huh uh.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
We'll close out this way. But let's just look at
the let's do let's do a couple of offensive line. Yeah,
I'll let you pick a couple and maybe I'll throw
one in there.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Well, Josh Simmons is interesting. Now.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
The thing with Simmons is he has thirty three inch arms,
So speaking of the wingspan thing, a lot of times
you like to see your tackles have like thirty five
or thirty four inch arms, But Simmons is at thirty three,
so I think that's good enough. And everything else in
his game is really good in my opinion. And he
suffered a knee injury in October, and really anywhere you
look any draft expert, they would agree that if he
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had not suffered that knee injury, he probably would have
been like a top fifteen pick. Most likely, the knee
injury is probably going to knock him down a little bit.
And that's one of those situations for the Chiefs where
if you could get a value selection like that of
Josh Simmons, who I think allowed one quarterback Hurry, not
even a sack all year before he got injured in October,
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and was great last year as well in twenty twenty three,
if you can get a player of that caliber who's
a top fifteen player at thirty one overall because he
had an injury, as long as you feel good about
the medicals, that could be a pretty good situation to
be in, so Simmons is interesting. Then also Josh Connery
junior out of Oregon is interesting as well. There's a
lot of experience playing left tackle, high end left tackle
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against very good teams. And I like how he kind
of his mental resolve because I talked to Eric ed Hoolm,
who does great draft stuff for NFL dot Com, and
he talked about how Connory got knocked on his back
basically by Mike Green during the Senior Bowl. Mike Green's
one of the top pass rush prospects in the draft
this year, and for a lot of players, they'd be
really down on themselves. They'd just be like, oh man,
(30:05):
this is my chance and I'm ruining it. Connorly didn't
do that. He got right back up and had a
great Senior Bowl after that. So I'm looking for those
kind of things when you're picking up thirty one. Overall,
these guys are all talented. It's a matter of what
do you have going on upstairs? What's your mental resolve, Like,
how do you handle failure and turn that into success?
And he showed me that during the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
What I liked about his video was the fact that
I watched him with Bo Nix, a right handed quarterback,
and then to get Dylan Gabriel, a left handed quarterback.
But to watch his versatility connor Ly and his ability
to move as well. We talked about the defensive guys,
Collins being able to move on a screen, his movement
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whether he's zone blocking or man blocking or screen and
to get to the second level. It kind of jumps
out there. But the fact that he played with a
right handed quarterback and a left handed quarterback and basically
had to learn two languages, to me was impressive. Ursay Arionta,
who is a Minnesota Gopher, but he's a Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Kid, Ruskin High School Ruskin.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Baby, let's go. I love it.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
And now he's more of a road grader type. Yeah,
he's a run run blocker and maybe more of a
right tackle than a left tackle. But there's something he's
going to help somebody in the National Football League for
a while. I love it. But you know, here, here's
my Alfred Collins of offense. Yeah, and you know where
I'm going, And it's Charles Grant of William and Murray. Yeah,
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Oh my gosh, and you're going, well, wait a minute.
He played at William and Murray. It's FCS that's not
even the best FCS league, and you're not going to
get in because I don't know. Sean McDermott went to
waym and Murray and you know, uh so and Mike
Tomlin went to William and Murray.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
I love his video.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Yeah, well in the wingspan right wing span.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
And everything's wingspan with me right now. Don't even talk
about anybody unless we got thirty four thirty Finich wake
span because I'm ace Venturia. Olsa is out all over
my walls because of Super Bowl fifty nine. Yeah, but
that's where I'm at. But again, Charles Grant's going to
be a really good player in the NFL. He moves
and he's Tray Smith playing left tackle.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
And the beauty of that is what the Chiefs have
done in free agency once again, to circle back on
this point is by going out and getting Jayalen Moore,
a guy that you think can compete for your starting
job at left tackle. If the Chiefs take a tackle
in this draft, they're not being asked, I guess unless
they earn it. They're not being asked to go in
there in Week one and start at left tackle. That's
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a big ask, right, It's difficult to do that. And
if you take a guy like Charles Grant, maybe on
day two or early on day three, wherever he goes,
he can have the opportunity to grow and to learn
and to compete, but he doesn't necessarily have to be
your day one starter. That's a luxury that a lot
of teams don't have. And frankly, the Chiefs haven't always
had that luxury, So I'm with you on that.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
And man, even like Rashaun Slater, who I watched him
play at Northwestern, he's good for the Chargers. He has
even had his struggles because the edge rushers are so
good in this.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
League, so good it's so hard. I can see so
many of them.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
The best athlete and put him at left tackle, and
it's just so hard for a rookie. Now it makes
you kind of appreciate more what Eric Fisher did, yeah,
way back in twenty thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, and on
is the fact that we threw him right into it.
But it was a struggle for him too. He's playing
right tackle and didn't have to. I'm just telling you,
you can take the best left tackle in any class,
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and it's going to be a problem for them in
their first year, maybe even their second year.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
The edge rushers are a great example of how humans
have like evolved over time because these guys are all
like six'. FIVE a lot of them are lighter, now
but they're between like two forty and two sixty and
they can run like a four to four and they
have like long.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Arms like what are you supposed to?
Speaker 4 (33:52):
Do it's really, hard and that's why not only do
you have to have great physical, traits but also you
have to have mental resolve playing in that position because
they're going to get beat and it's frustrating and it's,
difficult but you have to go right back out there
the very next snap and do your. Job and that's
hopefully what we're going to find here in this draft
is some players not just offensive tackle all over the,
board but who are great. Athletes they're very, talented but
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also they buy into the culture here of you come in,
here you learn the, system and you forget the last
play and you move. Forward and we have so many
guys like, that and that's why this. Team one of
the many reasons it's been so good over the.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Years it's why when in fans will say he would
just go get a left. Tackle oh, Okay i'm just
it's it's become more of a. Challenge and even the
last five, YEARS i think we've seen, rookies the best,
rookies they end up being good, players but they struggle.
Early we'll close with maybe a running back. Here we've
got to find a third down. Back let's just be.
(34:48):
Honest is you know who's that going to? Be but
to lose SOME I Jp. Ryan you know how much that.
Hurts he's going back to The.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
BENGALS i hate, it but you've got to find.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Somebody And tuton to, ME i got a couple of them,
here Racial, tuton Because i'm looking at speed, here like raw.
Speed we last year The chiefs brought this up on
a past episode Of defending The kingdom had the most
second and fours and second and fives of any team
in the. League that's a good thing because That's Kareem, hunt,
Right and With pacheco still trying to come back from the,
(35:20):
Injury i'm looking at who can bust a big, run
who can get a fifty yard.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Run tutin is one of.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Those and there's been A pachecko comp with him coming,
out and Then Jaden blue Of texas a four to three.
Three these guys have to be, receivers being a third down,
back a little bit of back left tackle in this
league because you got to. PROTECT i think of the
IMAGE i have is P ran picking Up Durwin james
on an agat blitz and air hold the dude or
(35:47):
he's gonna Kill. Pat and so there's a lot to
that role in, going, hey go find a third down.
Back But i'm, saying who is a Young jeric McKinnon
in this? Draft who's the New jeric? McKinnon and so
that's one. Thing go a lot of different directions with.
THIS i Like Trevion henderson At Ohio. STATE i think
he could be that infusion of juice into the backfield
(36:08):
that we're talking. About great, speed great. PRODUCTION i mean
he shared the backfield With judkins At Ohio. State both
of them had over one thousand. Yards i'd take either of.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
Them they're both really good, players But henderson maybe fits
that speed mold that you're talking. About Dylan samson out
Of tennessee is interesting that one would make my mom very,
happy And Charles davis would be very. HAPPY i still
Love Camp scataboo out Of Arizona.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
STATE i know you do. TOO i just love how
he's so.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
Slippery he seems to be kind of falling when people
are doing their draft. Boards we'll see what happens over
the course of draft. Weekend but he's just a total
gamer WHO i Think coachrie would have a lot of fun.
With and if you watch the kid from smu at
ALL i, Have Bashad. Smith he reminds me a lot
Of jarreck McKennon when you watch.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Him i'm glad you brought him up because, yes and
we know our guy down the hallway who wants to
pick The he Had carson's deal to. Pick this is his.
Pick but he told shout out To jordan's got the.
Guy he's GOT i got the guy for this. Year
he's so PROUD i Got Carson. Steele i'm so. Proud
(37:12):
but there's something to. That but But, SCATTERBOW i saw
him dominate. Games, yeah he took games and just said my,
ball my. Game and that's WHEN i, thought, ooh this
guy is more than like a recreation of Like Mike
alstadt or.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Something there's. MORE i know he's. Dropped he doesn't have the.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Measurables he's not the fastest, cat but if you're trying
to close out a game or he can impact a
game in varied, WAYS i would not be disappointed at
all to get The Arizona state running.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Back there's Some Austin eckler.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
THERE i think On Austin, ECKLER i Mean Austin eckler
would be the valvictorian of that kind of. PLAYER i
mean for Every Austin. Neckler there's a lot many players
that don't make. It But skataboo seems like the kind
of guy, That, uh if there's going to be Another Austin,
eckler it could be in.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
CIRCLES i run circles and angles And i'm a red zone.
Machine drive the other team, crazy like what we got this?
Guy and that's. Him so here we are spirit Of
pip prepared in. Position it's what The chiefs. Do and
as we get ready For Green bay and the twenty
twenty five, draft just Know Red veach once again in
(38:23):
his group are invoking the spirit Of pip
It has been a hallmark of Kansas City Chiefs football
ever since Andy Reid drove into town. And that is
to be prepared for everything. So Green Bay, We're getting closer,
Green Bay, here we come, and it's Pip again that
is prepared in position. And this Defending the Kingdom episode
(00:21):
will focus in as we get closer to the draft.
Of course, it's brought to you by Ticketmaster. They are
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Speaker 2 (00:36):
Let's keep it on an RPO at the five.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
It's a lead plot.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
He goes into the ends on their side, touchdown Chusas City. Howeveryone,
I Mitch hold this Voice of the Chiefs along with
senior team reporter Matt McMullen, and here we are. One
of the great things. I like Matt a lot. But
one of the things I like about Matt.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Is his dog.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
And you've we've talked about his dog, Pip before. In anytime,
I can find an acronym that will fit Pip the Dog.
I talk about the spirit of Pip a lot when
I speak publicly. A lot of you have heard that
in my presentations. But this Pip is prepared in position
Pip for the Kansas City Chiefs as they approach the
twenty twenty five NFL Draft in Green Bay, and that's
(01:19):
we're going to focus on over the next several minutes.
But a shout out to Pip, the best dog on
the planet right now.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Pip the Dog.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
One day we'll do a full special on how Mitch
and I might be clinically insane with the amount of
superstition we place on my dog. I mean, it's got
us to three straight Super Bowls and we've won two
of them. So I remember this. So Mitch created the
whole spirit of Pip, kind of talking about like we
need to play with the spirit of my crazy dog
years ago. And I so distinctly remember walking into my
(01:48):
office the morning of the AFC Championship game in twenty
twenty two against the Bengals. Big game, kind of a
crossroads moment in the history of the Kansas City Chiefs
in my opinion, and we're all, you know, ready to go,
but we're stressed out.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
It's a big game.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
And I walk in my office and Mitch has left
a sticky note that says sop spirit of Pip on
my computer. I have not moved that. It's been like
three years now. It's still right there on my computer.
Hasn't fallen off. I don't mess with it, and it's
brought us some pretty good luck.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
I talk about the spirit of Pip and the power
of the mangy Mutt, because Pip is that. If you
want to go win purple ribbon, watch the movie Dog Show,
which is one of the great movies of all time,
and want.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Some dog prantsing around.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Fine, if you want your best hunting dog, your best
farm dog, your best guard dog, go get a mangy
mut like Pip, who's a beautiful dog by the way.
So anyway, but prepared an in position. That's where the
chiefs are before we dive into I dive into that.
Let's go around the world. Yep, let's do it.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
I got six for you today, for Brian Cook, who
might have an even bigger role here this year with
Justin Reid no longer in town.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Which, by the way, in the twenty twenty two draft,
I have to tell you, I wish I could have
videoed it when we took Brian Cook. You basically, lou
you elevated above the table.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Well, it's fun during the draft process because Mitch and
I cram for like two months like all these prospects,
trying to learn as much as we can, and we'll
have so much fun, like texting each other saying did
you watch so and so?
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Did you watch this guy or that guy?
Speaker 4 (03:16):
And early in the draft process, I just watched Brian
Cook and I'm like, this guy's really good. It could be,
you know, a great versatile safety who can hit and
tackle but also cover, and then we got him in
the second round.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
You know, it makes you feel.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Kind of good about yourself that when you're watching these
hours of tape, maybe just maybe Brett Viach likes those
guys too, and we kind of know what we're doing.
I don't know, anyway, we pretend to, at least so
six today. I saw Dane working security over at the
Royals game on Thursday, met Dame before and the Royals
won that night. It was one of those crazy games
(03:47):
where it was one to one and in the eighth inning,
Bobby wit Like grounded out to the pitcher, but the
Twins pitcher overthrew the first baseman and which just took off.
Made it the third and then Vinnie pas Quentino had
a little dribbler that went like twenty feet but the
defense couldn't make a play and went scored.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Royals won. It was great.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Was that the game Pip was in is a dog
in the park game.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
This is a different game. I've been to a lot
of Royals games already this year. We went to Bark
in the Park against the Orioles a couple of Fridays ago.
We were there for four or five innings. Pitp will
do it for a little bit and then she's like,
we gotta go. He was also like thirty degrees and raining,
but we went. It was fun and I think the
Royals won that one too. I was at Chipotle earlier
this week and ran into Bob in line. He worked
(04:30):
for the Chiefs for like thirty years beginning in the seventies.
Really small world. Told me some stories about when he
was working for the Chiefs. I think he was in accounting,
but really nice guy, and we just were passing the
time in the Chipotle line.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
So shout out to you, Bob.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Bob Sterton was that his name?
Speaker 4 (04:46):
Gosh, I can't remember his last name, but maybe he
was here a long time.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
I was thinking of a Bob in accounting, and I
don't know why Bob Sterton flew into my head.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
It very well could be him. Yeah, but he loved
the Chiefs. Love this time here and yeah, still in
the area. Eric at Royal's opening Day. That's now three
Royals games that I've been to. I was in the
parking lot, just tail getting with some friends and Eric
introduced himself.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
So shout out to you.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Eric.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Samantha is listening from Indiana. Chad is originally from Independence, Missouri,
graduated from William Christman High School.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
The Bears, there we go.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
It's a good mascot.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
That's a good one.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
He now lives in Florida. And then remember Becky from
South O'weita. You're wondering what high school she went to.
She went to Shawnee Mission Northwest, home.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Of the they're the Cougars.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Yep, two time state basketball champions. They've been really good.
And their fight song is they were University of Houston
fight song. Really they came into being Sawna Mission Northwest
late sixties early seventies, when the University of Houston was
kind of coming into its own football crazy putting up
numbers Warren McVeigh and then also basketball Alvin Hayes and
(05:57):
all that time. So what SHAWNA Mission did, It was like,
we're going to be the Cougars. Let's take the Houston
Cougars fight song. Okay, pretty So if you go to
Shunning Mission Northwest game, you're going to hear the University
of Houston fight.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
So tough one for the Houston Cougars a few days ago.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Oh boy, Yeah, seeing Kelvin Sampson just seeing the life.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yeah, flash in front of his eyes.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
That's tough.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
He's sixty nine, this is his shot, and.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Yeah, that's tough. Sports are tough.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
They are tough.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Why winning is so awesome?
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Yeap, believe it's tough, and you but you go, if
you're in it long enough, you win super Bowl rings,
win three of them like we have, very proud of it.
And then you also down thirty four to nothing in
the Super Bowl to a really good Philadelphia team, which
is what we're trying to rebound from as we get
ready for twenty twenty five. And I always talk to
publicly about how the Chiefs are awesome at handling flash points,
(06:44):
but they prepare and The first thing we're going to
do here is talk about review really quickly since March
the twelfth and what has happened and where Brett Veach
has been intentional strategic with his staff. And this includes
salary cap staff, this includes everybody, the whole building, really,
but Brett's been brilliant. So nine new players, four on offense,
(07:05):
five on DEFENSEKEP thirteen players. If you go back to
the previous episodes, that's the green, red, black. Green you
gain players, red you lose players, and black you keep players.
So nine new players, four offense and five defense. Kept
thirteen five offense, six defense, two special teamers. In this
since March the twelfth, we have either signed or kept
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offensive lineman, wide receivers, running backs, tight ends and quarterbacks,
interior linemen, edge players, linebackers, corners and safeties, and specialists.
To me, that feels like it covers everything. And what
we've done here is position ourselves not to be desperate
or predictable going into the twenty twenty five draft. The
Chiefs and Brettveach have done a masterful job every year
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of that where the cards stay close to the best.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
And a quick side note you and I had talked
before off camera about how has had to a short
episode because I had to go get my windows looked at.
The guy just texted me and said that later in
the day works, so we don't have to truncate this
episode anymore. For those listening, you're like, just get on
with it anyway. I'm with you at ten. We can't
do that.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
That'd be an ethics violation.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Yeah, I think it would be if.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
This guy tend windows are expensive.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
So I've learned that during this process because we have
an older house and a lot of the windows are original,
like from like nineteen forty nine. And it's not so
much the window. The window actually is holding up well,
it's the framing of it that just looks bad. I
want to replace them, and I've learned over the last
couple of weeks that windows are very expensive. Getting a
third quote here today, but this guy is down to
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meet me later today, so I don't have to worry
about getting through the super quick. I am with you
about everything you said, because it is impossible to predict
who will be available at thirty one.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Overall and throughout the draft.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
This is what we talk about all the time with
the parody of the NFL. It's designed so teams like
the Chiefs cannot sustain success. Well, they found a way
to do that over the years, to find a way
to keep doing it. And one way to do that
is to not bank on a certain position or player
falling to you at thirty one. Overall, that is a
losing strategy. And what the Chiefs have done here is
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they have addressed a lot of needs and a lot
of holes on this roster so they can approach the
draft saying we're going to take the best players available.
You don't have to take an offensive tackle because you
believe that Jalen Moore can come in here and compete
for a starting role on this team. You don't have
to take a defensive back because you go out and
get Christian Fulton and you think he can help fill
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a role on this team as an outside corner who
can really help steuce Bagnolo in this defense. You don't
have to take a defensive tackle because you go out
and get Jerry Tillery, former first round pick, who you
believe in and who is still young and can contribute.
So what I'm trying to say is when the board falls,
we're going to watch and see what position, what player
is there. And when you approach an off season like
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the Chiefs have, we're not going to look at it
and say, ah, all the blank position are gone, what
are we to do.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
It's the opposite.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
It's hey, these guys went early, this guy's still on
the board, and this guy can help us somehow. Someway
and I love how we've approached this offseason because, as
we'll get into again, banking on a certain position or
player at thirty one overall is not a good strategy.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Nope.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
And we'll get into how you you basically have insurance
against that, and we'll give you practical examples of how
the Chiefs have done exactly that. But attacking this draft,
this is what Bredbeach does.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
He attacks him.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
We've seen him regularly move up, he's moved down and
like in twenty one, basically, and think what happened in
the twenty one draft to get Nick Bolton and Creed Humphrey,
then later in the sixth round to get Trey Smith.
But attacking this draft the thirty first, if everything stays
the same, thirty first, sixty third, sixty six, ninety five,
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let's take those four picks. You're getting four picks as
a team that has been to five Super Bowls in
the last six years, you're getting for the top one
hundred picks That to me positions the Chiefs to be
able to attack and be aggressive in the draft.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Is the sixty six the LJ sneaed trade.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Yes, that pick working out the way that it did,
and I mean that's just incredible GMing by Brett Veach
in this entire front office. But yeah, I mean, what
an opportunity. This is something that we talked about ahead
of the twenty twenty two draft that how often do
you have it where you have a team that is
in this championship window and as long as Patrick Mahomes
is here, we're in a championship window. But you have
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so much young talent on this team and talent that's
been to Super Bowls and won Super Bowls and you
have a chance to add to it.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Here.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
A lot of times teams that are in the position
that the Chiefs are in over the decades, those teams
are up against it. They're running out of time, they're older,
or it's a team it's kind of on the down trend. Well,
the Chiefs are not that because the Chiefs are still
one of the youngest teams in the NFL, they have
the best quarterback in the league, they have the best
coach in the NFL, and they have an opportunity to
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get even better with this draft. And that's why the Chiefs,
in addition to of course having Mahomes and Kelsey and
Chris Jones and coach Read the way that Brett each
has been able to constantly refill this roster with talent
through the draft, despite picking at the bottom of each round.
It's just incredible. So I can't wait to see what
we have in store here. I'm more excited for this
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draft than I have been in previous years, and I'm
normally really excited for the draft, and this year for
some reason, just because of the opportunity ahead of us,
and also the way the team has been positioned to
really just take the best players available and just make
this roster better, not worrying too much about reaching for
certain positions. I'm just really fired up about it.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Yeah, and that's why we're calling it prepared in position.
That's what Bret Veach and his staff have done. And
even the three picks in the seventh round sounds strangely familiar.
If it is, it's the twenty twenty two draft. There
were three picks in the seventh round. Oh, let's see
Isaiah Piicicko, Jalen Watson and Nazy Johnson.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
And all three have.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Been to Super Bowls in their first three years and
one two of them. You do an awesome job. And
if follow Matt and his articles, he does on certain
rounds because other seventh round picks.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
This is your twenty twenty four article, Kevin Ross, Dave Zott.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
We mentioned the three and twenty two Nick aligready, so
you don't sleep on the seventh round at all. And
the fact that you have three picks in the seventh
who could come out of that group. Brett Veach and
his staff have shown they've done a remarkable job. Now
let's go back to your point and revisit it about
being prepared and in position, because where the chiefs have
been able to by putting yourselves in a position, not
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being exposed in any certain area or teams know you're desperate,
that's when you make a reach pick many times, or
you become vulnerable to a trade where you can be exposed. Yeah, okay,
for sure, or here's the biggest one, what Brett Veach
has done and what the Chiefs have done. There is
always a rush on a position, always a rush, and
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that rush happens before we pick at thirty one or
thirty two, or thirty one or thirty two, where we've
been the last several years. Let's take twenty two a well,
let's take twenty one. The first three picks were quarterbacks
twenty twenty one. So what did that do? It put
Brettveach in a position where he traded down and he
gets and let's be honest, we've said this before. Once
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you get past pick twenty, it does seem to be
kind of muddled with an extension of the second round
and even the third. So there's a there's like sixty
what would that be, sixty to ten more picks, like
seventy picks that all seem to be in the same
popcorn popper. Because what Brett Beach did in twenty one
was able to trade down and get Knit Bolton, Creed
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Humphrey and then later Trey Smith in the sixth.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
What's always funny about the draft is there are generally
unless someone forfeits their pick thirty two picks in the
first round right well over the course of the draft
process and all the analysis and the mock drafts and
everything that happen in weeks and months before the draft.
Depending on where you look, like sixty players are supposed
to go in the first round, right, and that makes
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it impossible to know who exactly is actually going to
be there, who would be a reach, who would be
a player that would be a great value, And that's
where you rely on your scouting staff. Every front office
is different, and even though you kind of assume every
team has like a great, rock solid scouting staff, I
truly believe that not always the case. And we're very
fortunate to have a great one here in Kansas City.
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And the results speak for themselves. Finding those guys in
the seventh round like Pachecko and Jayleen Watson and Nazi Johnson,
guys that are being picked in the two hundreds and
contribute and help you win Super Bowls. I mean, that's
really hard to do. And our scouting staff is second
to none. But I look at like twenty twenty three,
I think it was where there was a lot of
buzz that the Chiefs might want to take a receiver,
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right so you might be watching the draft saying, okay,
let's see where the top receivers are, and not a
single receiver was taken in that draft, I believe, through
the first nineteen picks and where we were picked, it's like, okay, great,
like we can probably get a receiver here. At least
one of the top four guys is going to be there.
Right Well, no, because then immediately at pick number twenty,
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Jackson Smith and Jigba goes, Then Quentin Johnston goes at
twenty one, Zave Flowers at twenty two, and Jordan Addison
at twenty three. So again, if you're watching the draft
and saying, I want this position in the first round
no matter what, and you're picking at thirty one, you
might be disappointed because something like that might happen. So again,
the Chiefs are in a great spot here where I
can't tell you there's one position they have to take.
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If you really look at this roster and dig into it,
look at the talent, look at the depth that we have.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
They don't have to do that.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
They can really let the board fall to them, which
is what the best teams do, and the Chiefs through
the years have done a great job at that.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
I've given the analogy of playing bridge and bidding no trump,
meaning you're not relying on diamond spades, clubs or hearts.
You can play them all. And that's where yeah, Brett
Veach is and.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
With the staff in the straft twenty two, the run
on wide receivers very similar.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
That was the big wide receiver class. Boom boo, boom,
here we go.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
But what it did was push Trent McDuffie in a
position where he could make the trade to get to
twenty one. Brett Beach could and in the first round
you get McDuffie and Karl Offtis. It's crazy that was
produced because of the run in twenty four. It happened
again last year. Six quarterbacks were taken in the first
twelve picks. Well, that shoves down Xavier Worthy, who in
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maybe some other draft would have been taken long before
the Chiefs would pick.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
What do they do?
Speaker 1 (17:27):
They move with Buffalo up to twenty eight and get
Xavier Worthy reacting to the run. But being able to
react to the run in a myriad of ways is
where the Chiefs have been able to really make their
hay in the draft.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Yeah, it gets back to what I was saying about
how there are like fifty or sixty players that everyone
thinks will go in the first round. Kind of the
same for the top fifteen. There's like thirty players that
everyone thinks are going to go in the top fifteen,
which obviously doesn't make any sense. And that's why on
Draft Night in twenty twenty two, we do our live
show and we don't know who we're taken until we
find out with you all. And when we found out
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that we were getting Trent McDuffie, I remember thinking to
myself throughout the entire draft process, I didn't even think
that was a possibility because he was going to be
a top fifteen pick, And for him to fall to
twenty one and Brett trades up and gets him just
an amazing selection. And getting George Carloftis at was it
thirty overall?
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Yeah, I mean that was another guy that I think
if you look around in the pre draft stuff in
twenty twenty two, most people thought George Carloftis was going
at least in the top twenty five, probably top twenty.
You get him at thirty overall, just a matter of
taking advantage of those opportunities and in that draft. Looking
back at it, I don't think corner was necessarily a
huge Like, hey, the Chiefs have to take a corner
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in the first round, but when Trent McDuffie's there, it's like,
we have to go get that guy. And now I
can't really imagine this defense without Trip McDuffie. I assure
you we don't win two Super Bowls in three years
without Trip McDuffie. We've talked about his play against Brock
Purty and that Nickel blitz where he batted down the
pass and gave my Homes an opportunity to tie and
later win the game. We don't do any of that
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without Trent McDuffie. And that was foresight by Brett Veach
to say, we don't necessarily need a corner right now,
but we can go get a future all pro corner
if we want to. And they did that, and I
look forward to hopefully doing that again here in a
couple weeks.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
And again, if you heads your bet that way, you
can move up or down, and we've seen Brettveach do that.
So again, the Chiefs are unpredictable in the draft, but
it's a really big deal to be able to react
to the run, because there are some teams that after
the run happens and you've got precious minutes to make
the decision, they don't handle it well or they're exposed
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at a certain spot, and sometimes the run can be surprising.
We've seen it that it becomes shocking. But you're like, Okay,
the run came at this position. Here's how we'll adjust
and either trade down, trade up to get McDuffie, or
pick this certain spot. And honestly, the Chiefs have done
this year after year after year, especially since COVID. When
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you see how this roster has been put together, the
picking at thirty one and sixty three and sixty six
because I'm going to throw those three together, leave ninety
five out of it. But again we said this popcorn
popper that once you get past twenty in most drafts, well,
there's not much difference, right, especially this year. I think, hey,
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this year for sure. Now, the one thing of a
first round pick is the fifth year option. We mentioned
that you get the fifth year option. Xavier Worthy, the
Chiefs will have a fifth year option with him where
he wouldn't ter necessarily enter free agency if they exercise
that ouction to keep him for an additional year. So
that's an advantage for a team in the first round.
Other than that, you can do some real damage here.
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But what you want to do, in my opinion, and
this has been proven in thirty one, sixty three or
sixty six, you want a Day one starter. Yeah, who
had that Day one starter then eventually becomes a Pro Bowler.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
That's your a grade here.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
And if you're drafting top ten, you want to Pro
Football Hall of Famer eventually. But if you're sitting at
thirty one, sixty three or sixty six focusing on getting
a starter and one who would eventually become a Pro
Bowl or All Pro player, and I think maybe you
and our an agreement here. We're defensive line, especially the
interior defensive line. There seems to be more names there.
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And I'm gonna give you the surgeon General's warning here.
We did not talk to bred Beach. In fact, we're
in peril here.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
These are our opinions. These are our opinions, right, Mitch
and Matt.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
This is not the Chiefs and the worst thing anyway,
this is a surgeon.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Don't say this is what Veach is thinking, because no, it's.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Just us and that happens sometimes because I do like
videos on different position groups and I'll just talk about
certain players that I like, and sometimes people will comment
things like, ooh, this is a smoke screen. It's like, no,
this is just Matt. This is just Matt talking. This
is nobody else talking. So yeah, everything that we're gonna
say here is just us. Okay, So just us.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
And looking at Day one starters in the defensive line,
which to me would be a home run out of
the park. Bobby Wood Junior gaining two bags on a
one base air would be finding a inside defensive replacement
or not a replacement, A great compliment, especially to Chris Jones.
Now what bred Beach has done again. That defensive line rotation,
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which to me, and I've talked to Spags about this
a lot, was a big reason the Chiefs got to
the Super Bowl, went fifteen to two. The Chiefs were rare.
They had an eight player rotation on the defensive front.
We talked about guys going inside and outside, but to
be able to move guys in and out and not
really miss a beat.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
So you've got to replace Turk Wharton.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
You lose Derek Noddy, but you get Mike panel back
you talked about Tillery coming in. But if you can
get someone in the thirty one, sixty three or sixty
six that becomes a Day one starter who can be
right there with Chris Jones and the rest and regain
that eight man rotation. Now you're really poised to take
a run at the whole enchilade again in twenty twenty five.
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A couple guys come to mind here. I'll let you
start and see what you say. Interior defensive line. If
it was you to pick, I'll let you have two
and I'll pick two.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
I think it's funny too, because Chris Jones was picked
in that range that you're talking about. He was the
first pick of the second round, right he was, Yeah,
sure was way back in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
Yeah, So you can find all the good players there.
And I think, just like you said, the depth and
the strength of this draft, particularly in the context of
the Chiefs, is a defensive line and maybe particularly defensive tackle.
A lot of good edge players too that I like
a lot, but defensive tackle is really intriguing, and we're
gonna have an opportunity, I think, to add to our
defensive line in this draft. But quick caveat talking about
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like the runs and stuff. It's possible a run could
happen like a twenty one overall where all the players
that we talk about go Infortunately, again we keep like
hitting home this point. But the Chiefs are in a
position where if that happened, I'd be like, Okay, Like,
there's plenty of other spots to go so anyway.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
And honestly, I predict that's what the run will be.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Could be.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Yeah, I think the run will be after pick seven
teen or eighteen on the defensive line and they just
start flying off the board.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
So I'm picking one guy or two guys? You get
two too, Okay.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
Well, Derek Harmon's one guy that I like a lot
that I've watched quite a bit from Oregon. Just one
year at Oregon, he was a Michigan State transfer but
had just an incredible season for them. I think he
had like fifty five pressures. I think that led all
interior defensive lineman and the FBS last year. This is
a really disruptive player who's also really good against the run.
So Derek Harmon's guy to know and then a guy
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that I know you like a lot as well as
Walter Nolan from Ole, miss just a game wrecker at
interior defensive tackle in All American last year. A great
pass rusher, great against the run, just a really really
good player. So I'm not breaking any news here with
those guys. Those are two of the top defensive tackles
in this draft. But Derek Harmon and Walter Nolan are
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certainly two names to know.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
I'd be thrilled if the Chiefs get either one of
those guys, because I think they can be Day one starter.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Just as we explained.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Next to Chris Jones, one of those guys.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Come on, let's go with the edge guys we already have, yeah, right,
because Charles Amna who's resigned, and you have an emerging
or improving FAU out there, still have Carlo Loftus and
Mike Danna. They're all here, folks. That's what I'm telling
you my two I would pick. And again, when you
look at these defensive linemen, if you're a draft nerd,
you really have to look at scheme as well, because
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in this group of players that fit this inside defensive
tech three tech, zero tech, one tech kind of five
tech is what is spags a scheme? And how do
they being versatile and being a two gap guy. Right,
So think of a I don't want to say, a
better version of Turk Wharton because he was really good.
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But so I'm going scheme specific to what spags would go.
He'd knuckle on the table. So Tyler Williams of Ohio
State's a two gap guy that has shown some explosiveness
as well. All right, and I'm only going to pick two,
but I'm gonna throw and third Darius Alexander. But the
guy I like, and you know I like him because
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he was one of those I sent to you of
going I can't stop watching this guy. I went back
and watched him because I saw a young Chris Jones
and it's Alfred Collins of Texas. Here's where I'm at
on every position in this draft is wingspan. Maybe I'm
affected by Super Bowl fifty nine.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Yeah, because Josh Schwat's wingspan dominated.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Okay, wingspan, it's the most underrated metric in all of sports,
all of it. And when I see Collins, I see
a guy that's willing to play two gap. Seven passes deflected,
seven blocked kicks, plays, two gap, can still rush the passer.
I think of him fingertip to fingertip with Charles and
Menehu and Chris Jones all with over seven foot wingspins.
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So now I cover twenty three feet.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Of the field on the width.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
That's crazy, which I gotta be careful you don't fall
in love with any one guy because of the run
that can happen in any one of these guys that
we mentioned. I'll be knuckling on the table for them.
But that's an example.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
And one thing that kind of is the common denominator
I think with all these players is their motor.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
I love with Collins.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
He's like three hundred and thirty pounds, but there is
tape of him on screens turning around and chasing down
the running back at three hundred and thirty pounds, Like
you don't always see that, particularly for guys that know
they're going to be drafted pretty early. They might be like, ah,
you know that's by me, that's not my area. I'm
not rushing the passer anymore. It doesn't matter. Collins was
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like a gamer, like he wanted to win, and those
are the players that I want here. And I really
noticed that with Kyleik Williams as well and Darius Alexander
a great run defender. A lot of times with these
pass rushers, even at interior defensive tackle, they don't always
want to play the run. They just want to rush
the passer. Darius Alexander loves rushing the passer and rushing
and tackling the running back and play the run. So
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those are important things that I think we've seen throughout
this process. And those are just a few names to know.
There's going to be a lot of guys at defensive
tackle who are intriguing. And again, I think it's where
the depth of this class is.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Where does Toledo get these guys Quinyan Mitchell, no idea
if I'll go to Toledo and find guys like that
every year, because you know how much I love Quinyan Mitchell.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
I had to watch them in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
But any kareem hunt, you know, and where do they
find these guys?
Speaker 2 (28:25):
I don't know, found out to Toledo Rockets. Uh huh uh.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
We'll close out this way. But let's just look at
the let's do let's do a couple of offensive line. Yeah,
I'll let you pick a couple and maybe I'll throw
one in there.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Well, Josh Simmons is interesting. Now.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
The thing with Simmons is he has thirty three inch arms,
So speaking of the wingspan thing, a lot of times
you like to see your tackles have like thirty five
or thirty four inch arms, But Simmons is at thirty three,
so I think that's good enough. And everything else in
his game is really good in my opinion. And he
suffered a knee injury in October, and really anywhere you
look any draft expert, they would agree that if he
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had not suffered that knee injury, he probably would have
been like a top fifteen pick. Most likely, the knee
injury is probably going to knock him down a little bit.
And that's one of those situations for the Chiefs where
if you could get a value selection like that of
Josh Simmons, who I think allowed one quarterback Hurry, not
even a sack all year before he got injured in October,
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and was great last year as well in twenty twenty three,
if you can get a player of that caliber who's
a top fifteen player at thirty one overall because he
had an injury, as long as you feel good about
the medicals, that could be a pretty good situation to
be in, so Simmons is interesting. Then also Josh Connery
junior out of Oregon is interesting as well. There's a
lot of experience playing left tackle, high end left tackle
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against very good teams. And I like how he kind
of his mental resolve because I talked to Eric ed Hoolm,
who does great draft stuff for NFL dot Com, and
he talked about how Connory got knocked on his back
basically by Mike Green during the Senior Bowl. Mike Green's
one of the top pass rush prospects in the draft
this year, and for a lot of players, they'd be
really down on themselves. They'd just be like, oh man,
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this is my chance and I'm ruining it. Connorly didn't
do that. He got right back up and had a
great Senior Bowl after that. So I'm looking for those
kind of things when you're picking up thirty one. Overall,
these guys are all talented. It's a matter of what
do you have going on upstairs? What's your mental resolve, Like,
how do you handle failure and turn that into success?
And he showed me that during the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
What I liked about his video was the fact that
I watched him with Bo Nix, a right handed quarterback,
and then to get Dylan Gabriel, a left handed quarterback.
But to watch his versatility connor Ly and his ability
to move as well. We talked about the defensive guys,
Collins being able to move on a screen, his movement
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whether he's zone blocking or man blocking or screen and
to get to the second level. It kind of jumps
out there. But the fact that he played with a
right handed quarterback and a left handed quarterback and basically
had to learn two languages, to me was impressive. Ursay Arionta,
who is a Minnesota Gopher, but he's a Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Kid, Ruskin High School Ruskin.
Speaker 2 (31:07):
Baby, let's go. I love it.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
And now he's more of a road grader type. Yeah,
he's a run run blocker and maybe more of a
right tackle than a left tackle. But there's something he's
going to help somebody in the National Football League for
a while. I love it. But you know, here, here's
my Alfred Collins of offense. Yeah, and you know where
I'm going, And it's Charles Grant of William and Murray. Yeah,
(31:33):
Oh my gosh, and you're going, well, wait a minute.
He played at William and Murray. It's FCS that's not
even the best FCS league, and you're not going to
get in because I don't know. Sean McDermott went to
waym and Murray and you know, uh so and Mike
Tomlin went to William and Murray.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
I love his video.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Yeah, well in the wingspan right wing span.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
And everything's wingspan with me right now. Don't even talk
about anybody unless we got thirty four thirty Finich wake
span because I'm ace Venturia. Olsa is out all over
my walls because of Super Bowl fifty nine. Yeah, but
that's where I'm at. But again, Charles Grant's going to
be a really good player in the NFL. He moves
and he's Tray Smith playing left tackle.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
And the beauty of that is what the Chiefs have
done in free agency once again, to circle back on
this point is by going out and getting Jayalen Moore,
a guy that you think can compete for your starting
job at left tackle. If the Chiefs take a tackle
in this draft, they're not being asked, I guess unless
they earn it. They're not being asked to go in
there in Week one and start at left tackle. That's
(32:38):
a big ask, right, It's difficult to do that. And
if you take a guy like Charles Grant, maybe on
day two or early on day three, wherever he goes,
he can have the opportunity to grow and to learn
and to compete, but he doesn't necessarily have to be
your day one starter. That's a luxury that a lot
of teams don't have. And frankly, the Chiefs haven't always
had that luxury, So I'm with you on that.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
And man, even like Rashaun Slater, who I watched him
play at Northwestern, he's good for the Chargers. He has
even had his struggles because the edge rushers are so
good in this.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
League, so good it's so hard. I can see so
many of them.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
The best athlete and put him at left tackle, and
it's just so hard for a rookie. Now it makes
you kind of appreciate more what Eric Fisher did, yeah,
way back in twenty thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, and on
is the fact that we threw him right into it.
But it was a struggle for him too. He's playing
right tackle and didn't have to. I'm just telling you,
you can take the best left tackle in any class,
(33:31):
and it's going to be a problem for them in
their first year, maybe even their second year.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
The edge rushers are a great example of how humans
have like evolved over time because these guys are all
like six'. FIVE a lot of them are lighter, now
but they're between like two forty and two sixty and
they can run like a four to four and they
have like long.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Arms like what are you supposed to?
Speaker 4 (33:52):
Do it's really, hard and that's why not only do
you have to have great physical, traits but also you
have to have mental resolve playing in that position because
they're going to get beat and it's frustrating and it's,
difficult but you have to go right back out there
the very next snap and do your. Job and that's
hopefully what we're going to find here in this draft
is some players not just offensive tackle all over the,
board but who are great. Athletes they're very, talented but
(34:14):
also they buy into the culture here of you come in,
here you learn the, system and you forget the last
play and you move. Forward and we have so many
guys like, that and that's why this. Team one of
the many reasons it's been so good over the.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Years it's why when in fans will say he would
just go get a left. Tackle oh, Okay i'm just
it's it's become more of a. Challenge and even the
last five, YEARS i think we've seen, rookies the best,
rookies they end up being good, players but they struggle.
Early we'll close with maybe a running back. Here we've
got to find a third down. Back let's just be.
(34:48):
Honest is you know who's that going to? Be but
to lose SOME I Jp. Ryan you know how much that.
Hurts he's going back to The.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
BENGALS i hate, it but you've got to find.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Somebody And tuton to, ME i got a couple of them,
here Racial, tuton Because i'm looking at speed, here like raw.
Speed we last year The chiefs brought this up on
a past episode Of defending The kingdom had the most
second and fours and second and fives of any team
in the. League that's a good thing because That's Kareem, hunt,
Right and With pacheco still trying to come back from the,
(35:20):
Injury i'm looking at who can bust a big, run
who can get a fifty yard.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Run tutin is one of.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Those and there's been A pachecko comp with him coming,
out and Then Jaden blue Of texas a four to three.
Three these guys have to be, receivers being a third down,
back a little bit of back left tackle in this
league because you got to. PROTECT i think of the
IMAGE i have is P ran picking Up Durwin james
on an agat blitz and air hold the dude or
(35:47):
he's gonna Kill. Pat and so there's a lot to
that role in, going, hey go find a third down.
Back But i'm, saying who is a Young jeric McKinnon
in this? Draft who's the New jeric? McKinnon and so
that's one. Thing go a lot of different directions with.
THIS i Like Trevion henderson At Ohio. STATE i think
he could be that infusion of juice into the backfield
(36:08):
that we're talking. About great, speed great. PRODUCTION i mean
he shared the backfield With judkins At Ohio. State both
of them had over one thousand. Yards i'd take either of.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
Them they're both really good, players But henderson maybe fits
that speed mold that you're talking. About Dylan samson out
Of tennessee is interesting that one would make my mom very,
happy And Charles davis would be very. HAPPY i still
Love Camp scataboo out Of Arizona.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
STATE i know you do. TOO i just love how
he's so.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
Slippery he seems to be kind of falling when people
are doing their draft. Boards we'll see what happens over
the course of draft. Weekend but he's just a total
gamer WHO i Think coachrie would have a lot of fun.
With and if you watch the kid from smu at
ALL i, Have Bashad. Smith he reminds me a lot
Of jarreck McKennon when you watch.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Him i'm glad you brought him up because, yes and
we know our guy down the hallway who wants to
pick The he Had carson's deal to. Pick this is his.
Pick but he told shout out To jordan's got the.
Guy he's GOT i got the guy for this. Year
he's so PROUD i Got Carson. Steele i'm so. Proud
(37:12):
but there's something to. That but But, SCATTERBOW i saw
him dominate. Games, yeah he took games and just said my,
ball my. Game and that's WHEN i, thought, ooh this
guy is more than like a recreation of Like Mike
alstadt or.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
Something there's. MORE i know he's. Dropped he doesn't have the.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Measurables he's not the fastest, cat but if you're trying
to close out a game or he can impact a
game in varied, WAYS i would not be disappointed at
all to get The Arizona state running.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Back there's Some Austin eckler.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
THERE i think On Austin, ECKLER i Mean Austin eckler
would be the valvictorian of that kind of. PLAYER i
mean for Every Austin. Neckler there's a lot many players
that don't make. It But skataboo seems like the kind
of guy, That, uh if there's going to be Another Austin,
eckler it could be in.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
CIRCLES i run circles and angles And i'm a red zone.
Machine drive the other team, crazy like what we got this?
Guy and that's. Him so here we are spirit Of
pip prepared in. Position it's what The chiefs. Do and
as we get ready For Green bay and the twenty
twenty five, draft just Know Red veach once again in
(38:23):
his group are invoking the spirit Of pip
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