January 22, 2025 • 35 mins
Voice of the Chiefs, Mitch Holthus and senior team reporter, Matt McMullen welcome defensive end, Charles Omenihu to the show to preview the upcoming AFC Championship showdown, featuring the Kansas City Chiefs and the Buffalo Bills on Sunday.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's a classic matchup once again. Patrick Mahomes will play
Josh Allen in the playoffs for the fourth time. In fact,
at second an NFL history in the playoffs, only to
Peyton Manning against Tom Brady. But there's many other reasons
that this is the moment, and that's what we'll talk
about on this edition of Defending the Kingdom, of course,
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brought to you by Ticketmaster.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Holmes stepping up again.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Tries to throw lindod text chanceas city. Hi everyone, I'm
Mitchelter's voice to the Chiefs along with senior team reporter
Matt McMullen. One thing that you do so well, whether
you're writing or speaking or researching, is to understand the
gravity of the moment. And yes, it's Mahomes versus Allen.
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Yes there's history here, pats one and four against the
Bills in the regular season with three and zero on
the playoffs. And we can spew out a bunch of
stuff we'll get into this game, but the moment. I've
said that this is probably the biggest game in this
city's history, just because if the Chiefs do something in
this they can do something in this game that's never
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been done.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
So this will sound kind of like what we said
on last week's episode, because we talked about how we
were really starting the journey with last week's game against
the Texans. But everything that we've talked about for months now,
and really since Super Bowl fifty eight ended, like the
day afterward, has been leading up to this game. It's
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all been leading up to this moment and watching games
around the league. Of course, wanting to win our own
games has been about all those steps in the process,
about making the playoffs, about making sure we win the division,
get the one seed, trying to lay out a path
where you can win one game at home to then
set up this game. And here we are. We've made
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it to this point. I think it's poetic that it's
Chiefs and Bills again. It's the one team the Chiefs
lost to in the regular season. I mean, it is
all about this game. And the amazing thing about our
team is that they approach it like it's kind of
a twofold thing. It's any other game, you go through
your normal procedure. But also they know the stakes of
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this game. They know what this game means, they know
that they've been working all year long for this game,
and I can't wait to see the result.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
And the historic nature of this game.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Why the biggest one I think played in the city
is that no NFL team has won back to back
Super Bowls and even made it back to a Super
Bowl for a chance for a three peat. There are
three that got this level. The nineteen seventy six Steelers
they lost, the nineteen ninety forty nine Ers, they lost
fifteen to thirteen to the Giants after a fifteen win
regular season. That might be the most parallel team to
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what the Chiefs have done. And then the ninety four Cowboys,
they had won back to back whoops, they lose to
the San Francisco forty nine Ers. They don't get back.
The Chiefs win this game, this moment, the Chiefs will
make National Football League history. And winning this AFC championship,
it's right there. It's right there again.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
You work all your life long for this moment, for
it to be at home, for you to have your
your full team, and to be healthy. And the Chiefs
are the healthiest they've been all year, getting out of
that Texans game with a full bill of health, and
at least as far as we know, everyone's ready to
go for this game that we could hope could be
ready to go for it. It's at home. The atmosphere
is going to be incredible. And thinking about, you know,
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last year's run, and as great as it was, it
was so much fun going on the road and winning
those games. But at the end of the day, you
want these games to be in Kansas City because we
have the best home field advantage in the NFL. The
stadium is going to be electric, It's going to be
an amazing atmosphere. And I just keep getting back to
the opportunity that this is. We say this all the
time on DTK, but sports fans will go their entire
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life not even getting close to seeing their team playing
in a game like this. And let's go out there
and do it.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
And we're close to seeing something that's never been done
in this league. All right, let's go around the world.
We're trying to get ready. You can tell Matt and
I are already like foaming at the mouth of this game.
But the best way to kind of cal him down
a bit coach would say, don't peak too soon if
he was in our face right now. But one way
to kind of just keep it real is jumping our
space capsule and go around the world.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
I was watching the CFP National Championship game last night
and it's just kind of hard to focus on anything else.
But you're right, we need to distract ourselves briefly. Here
heard from Brants from Ulysses, Kansas. Yep, Tigers lives in
Hayes now. Had a chance to meet you at camp
a few years ago. It was at the game on Saturday,
and it's my understanding he'll be at the game on Sunday.
See you our good luck. You listen this baby, Yep,
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this is a cool one. So shout out to Domo
Domo Genesis. I think I had heard of Domo before.
He's a very successful rapper, DJ and songwriter from Inglewood, California.
Then a lifelong Chiefs fan. Just always hated the Raiders,
always just liked the Chiefs from Afar and he listens
to DTK and wrote in So shout out to you, Domo. Thanks,
very cool.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Yeah, we need to know how he became a Chiefs
fan though, well.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
He said he just loved the color red growing up,
hated the Raiders and was like, I guess I'll to
support the Chiefs. And now he's a Chiefs fan, so
very logical. Shout out to you. Heard from Mary. She's
checking in from Iola. Kansas Mustangs or the Phillies. The
guys are called the Mustangs, the gals are called the Phillies.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Okay. Also home of Allen County Community College.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Where is it? Uh?
Speaker 1 (05:16):
It is southeast Kansas, all right, So if you it's
east and south of Kansas City, good area, good sports
tradition there. But yeah, so a couple hours from Kansas
City south and east Okay, sorry, south and a bit
west south and a bit west Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
They would let you know if you're wrong. Keith is
from Belleville, Illinois.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Yeah, Saint Louis basically the Illinois side of Saint Louis.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Davis from Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Probably went to Altaf High School, I'm guessing.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Just talking about talking about Keith and Bellville. Yeah, okay,
what's their mascot?
Speaker 2 (05:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Set you up for that one.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Yeah, thanks.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Remember talking about Papillion, Nebraska in Yeah, and La Vista,
So I heard from a bunch of people from there.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
That's coming out of the woodwork.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
So do you remember La Vista's mascot? No, okay, it's
the Monarchs. And there's also another school, Leavista South.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Ooh, that's a new one.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
I think they're the Titans.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
The Titans. The new schools have gone with Titans a lot.
I don't know why. Maybe remember the Titans movie.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Yeah, a lot of Titans are new schools and consolidated
schools that are small.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
They go together. IT'SO the Titans. It's kind of makes
sense geographically though.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Did they take the Tennessee Titans logo and just change Oh?
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yeah? Oh no.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
If Tennessee knew how many teams are losing, he's in
their logo right now, there'd be a lot of season desist.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
It's just funny how so many schools do that. And
it's just it looks so weird because the colors are different,
maybe even like the letters are different, but it's the
same logo. I digress. We have a listener from Toronto.
I want to go to Toronto, Toronto Kansas, Toronto, Canada.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
There's Toronto Kansas stand by eureka.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Okay, well, this listener's kind of behind endemy lines because
Toronto's kind of like bill bills.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Yeah, you know, there was some thought about moving the
bills to Toronto.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Remember that?
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Yeah, if you don't build a new stadium, We're going
to Toronto.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Yeah. Well, they're representing us behind enemy lines. Bruce is
in Liberal, Kansas.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Redskins, Okay, Suward County Community College.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Okay, all right. A few weeks ago we mentioned Henry
in South Africa. This is cool, So Allen wrote in.
He's preparing to move to Cape Town here pretty soon
and is hoping to find a chief family in South Africa. So, Henry,
if you're interested in meeting Allan, We've already done this
in Cambodia. We can do it in South Africa. So
trying to connect people around the world. Susan rode in
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from Jackson Hole, Wyoming. I'll be in Jackson Hole in
about five months, looking forward to that. We've a listener
from Washington State wrote in with a story about how
you made him a Chef fan because his wife was
from Kansas City. They started listening to the radio broadcast
together because she moved out to Washington to live with
them in the Tri Cities area, and he just loved
how you brought the game to life. You explained football,
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you explain what the players were all about, and your
passionate love for ball brought it all to life for him.
So you made him a Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Fan, Husky cougar.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
I'm guessing he's a cougar because they're well, actually, I
don't know Eastern Washington. He told me, and I didn't
write it down.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
I need to know.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
I'm assuming Jason Cookers. I don't know for sure though,
j Jayden Hicks or Trent McDuffie. How about that room
and Jalen Watson, right, Jalen Watson.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Yeah, we got two cougars and a husky in there,
Keith Taylor, Taylor in that room. We have ten dbs
on this team. Two are Huskies and two are cougars.
In the same room, Apple cup baby every day when
they meet.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
What are the odds of that? Brett grew up in Clinton, Missouri,
but now lives in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania. A lot of history there.
You ever been to Gettysburg?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
I have? Yeah, That's amazing, powerful place, powerful, very powerful.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Oli hondro Is from Columbia, South America, moved to Kansas
City in nineteen ninety six and been a fan ever since.
We've got Carlos is from Santiago and the Dominican Republic,
but a fan since nineteen ninety three. Dorrel is checking
in from Woodland Hills, Utah. Became a fan because of
Alex Smith. Love it when you get Camber the Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Obviously you guy.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Yep, don't tell coach. Don't tell coach b Yu all
the way. D is an Ashgrove, Missouri, watches every game
with his grandson or ash Grove.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
I should man, I got it. I get to like
look at my Missouri map before we do this every time.
It is, but it's super easy.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
I know at Cashville every just went nuts and Castell.
You don't know where Cashville is at. So the homework
this week is Ashgrove.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Trisha is from Sydney, Australia. Augustine is riding in from Ghana.
Shannon is from Cameron, Missouri. We're very familiar with Cameron
because Dragons.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
I know that one's the exit. It's the exit, but
it's also home of the Cameron Dragons. Get that one right, well.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Shannon lives in Colorado Springs now, but it's from Cameron
originally go dragons. Dale was checking in from Orlando, but
originally from Tuscaloosa. Tuscaloosa is on my bucket list to
be honest to go to a game.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
I want to go.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Yeah, Bryan, Denny Steven, I want to go too. I
want to go to Toomor's corner.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Jordan Hare yep, yeah, immitt that and we can go roll.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Let's go together. Uh.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Bill Rode in from Overland Park, but he's lived in Wahoo, Nebraska,
Date Iowa and Tumwa, Iowa. A a Tumwah yep, yes,
that's where I get in trouble as a pronunciation, that's okay.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
A town was Southeast Iowa. The fictitious character of Radar
O'Reilly in the famous series mash Okay was from a Tumwa.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Really yep, okay. That is a fun fact. Patrick is
from Tubigen, Germany. Definitely mispronounced that. But home of the
Tigers in the basketball Bundesliga. Love it wet. You just
start getting like these international teams the home of.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
The We need Bundesliga updates.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
I'm into that because at first he just at home
with the Tigers, and I assumed it was the European
League of American Football.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Which we're gonna We're going to renew that in the springtime. Yeah,
We're going to follow like our favorite friends and we
got stuff now.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
A team, you know, yeah, but anyway, maybe basketball Bundesliga
is also on the table. That's all I got. Pretty ridiculous.
We heard from five continance this week. Only thing we
were missing was Asia, which we hear from Asia all
the time. We've been contingent in Cambodia, contingent in the Philippines, Thailand,
all over. But we heard from North America, South America, Africa,
Europe and Australia. That's pretty cool. The world has fired
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up for this game. I think that's so awesome.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Five Continents, Well done out there, Kingdom Defenders, and well
done Matt McMullan. The moment, it's the Bills in chiefs.
We talk about the historical aspect of this game. Historical
two for the Bills, they've not been to the Show
in thirty years, they've never won it. They have been
left at the altar four times, so this is big
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for them, much like it was big for the Texans
last week. They'd never won an AFC divisional game. So
there's just a lot here on the line. But why
this is, in my opinion, of the biggest game in
the city's history because of.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
The NFL history. That's there.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
All right, let's jump into the football portion of this game.
The Buffalo Bills. You admire what they've done. Josh Allen
probably be the NF the MVP of the NFL, although
interesting looking at his numbers, they kind of redirected the
way they play. If you look at their wide receiver corps,
only one played against us last year in the divisional round.
And then I thought, well, what about us? Only one
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of our guys played in the divisional round last year?
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Wow? Think who it was?
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Yeah, it would have been a don't tell me, don't
tell me, don't tell me.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Huh.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
I want to say Juju, but it's not. Juju's Justin Watson. Watson,
that's who it is. That's yeah, nobody else Juju was
two years ago. Yeah, he played in that's a trick question.
But twenty two. Not in twenty three. None of these
other cats worthy do you have go right down the line. Yeah,
and Nico didn't obviously, Yeah, Nico Rimio wasn't.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
He was on practice squad.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
It feels like Juju never left, but he did. Yeah,
we have a bunch of those where guys were gone
and came back, Like mcchole's that. Yeah, So here's here's Buffalo.
They redirected the way they play. Shakiers had a big year,
but it's about running the ball, winning on first down
and the ridiculous giveaway takeaway ratio plus twenty four best
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in the NFL during the regular season. We saw it
reach ahead in their divisional playoff victory over the Ravens
plus three critical critical turnovers, all three of them, and
the Bills scored off two of them.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Credit to the Ravens. It didn't allow one of the
turnovers to be a score because two of them they
happened in their territory. But then also the lack of giveaways.
Buffalo only gave the ball away this year eight times.
That tied an all time NFL record with the twenty
nineteen Saints. Every giveaway was Josh Allen's six interceptions. That's crazy,
two loss fumbles, but that's it. Goba takeaways and hardly
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any giveaways. And to me, that's where the discussion of
the twenty twenty four playoff twenty five Bills, that's where
it starts.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
The turnover margin is the game, and it's always important
in every game that you play. This is the first, second,
and third priority in this game, though, and you just
laid it out. I have some more numbers for you.
Buffalo forced thirty three turnovers this year, third most in
the NFL, sixteen interceptions that was the fifth most in
the league, but sixteen recovered fumbles, most in the NFL.
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They have a fumble recovery rate of fifty seven percent.
That's crazy. That's way higher than anyone else in the league.
Everyone else is kind of hovering around between like twenty
five and maybe even forty percent as high these guys
are at fifty seven percent. In terms of recovering loose balls,
they lead the NFL and take away points with one
hundred and twenty eight that's twenty four percent of their
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overall point total for the year. We talked about that
last week with Houston that twenty seven percent of their
overall points for the year were off of takeaways, that
was the highest rate in the league. Well, these guys
are similar. It's twenty four percent, that's third highest rate
in the NFL. And they also have twenty nine drives
this season that began in the opponents on the opponent's
side of the field, most in the NFL, and they
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scored one hundred and eighteen points on those drives, again
most in the NFL, and the vast majority of those
are due to takeaways. Don't turn the ball over in
this game. Win the turnover margin. It's very difficult to
force turnovers on these guys. And we'll talk to Charles
Menihew a little bit later. Hopefully he can force a
couple in this game. But one thing you can always
control as an offense is not turning the ball over.
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These guys live and breathe off takeaways. It's fueled their
entire season. And here's an interesting note on Patrick Mahomes.
Mahomes has won thirty seven consecutive games in which the
Chiefs won the turnover margin, and that includes the playoffs.
Win the turnover margin, and the Chiefs have a great
shot at winning this game.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
It's been crazy. The last time the Chiefs turned it
over November the seventeenth. It's an NFL record against the
Buffalo Bills the last time, and even that was a
desperation interception at the end of the game, and there
was a kind of a ghastly interception earlier. But you
think about it. Since November seventeenth, the Chiefs have not
turned it over, But it's really been the Bill's season.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Knock unwood.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Yes, wherever you are, knock on wood.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
But let's go taking your numbers even a little bit further.
The one hundred and twenty eight away points. We always
look at that because you can look at giveaway takeaway,
but what do you do with your takeaways MATTERI laid
out most of it there. Compare that to the Chiefs,
who only had seventy eight takeaway points. That's fifty more
points the Bills got this year off of takeaways. In addition,
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second in the league with the Buffalo Bills one hundred
and seven possessions after takeaways. So when you look at it,
and it makes sense, but you get a takeaway, that's
one more possession you get that your opponent does not get,
and you're usually getting in favorable territory. As you mentioned,
they were number one in the league, the Buffalo Bills
in starting average field position.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Why mostly they were.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Taking the ball away in a fortuitous position and then
to use it to go score. That's the first biggest
part of this game and this Buffalo team.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
And what's so funny, there's a million ways to talk
about this particular point, but The Chiefs and the Bills
are so similar in a million ways, and one of
them is that both like to play ball control and
kind of condense the game. People might not think that
about Buffalo because Josh Allen has had this great year,
but they do the same thing that the Chiefs do,
where they try to condense the game. They play ball control,
they win the time of possession. And that's why in
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this game, both teams are probably going to have eight
or nine drives offensively total. The numbers back that up
because the Chiefs defensively have faced the fewest opponent drives
in the NFL and the Bills have faced the third fewest.
So that kind of amplifies this whole takeaway conversation. And
that's what happened to the Chiefs in Week eleven, because
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if you only have eight or nine drives and you
turn it over twice all of a sudden, you lose
so much of an opportunity to keep pace with a
really good team. It goes the other way too, If
Buffalo loses the turnover margin and they're only going to
have eight or nine possessions in the game, they lose
the opportunity to keep up with the Chiefs. So we
could talk for an hour about this. It really boils
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down to a very simple sentence, don't turn the ball over.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
And yet you still have to attack without turning the
ball over. Both of these teams have to. You can't
sit there like run zero hole dives all day long.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Yeah, smart football though, But the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Let's just talk about the Chiefs and what happened at
the end of the season, going from minus four to
tenth in the league and giveaway takeaway. We chuckle about
it because they were sitting in at minus four minus four,
and then that three games in eleven day span they
were plus ten in the giveaway takeaway. But a huge
key in this game for the Kansas City Chiefs. And
he got hurt in this game a year ago and
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he can tell you by the day. But let's check
in with a guy who could be the difference in
this game. He did not play on November seventeenth, Charles
and Minahu, the King of the Forest fumble. So excited
to turn this guy loose in the AFC Championship game.
Charles and Minahu, I'm going to start this way. I
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would see you when you were in your rehab and
heartbroken when you got hurt last year in the AFC
Championship game, but you had a face of determination and
will that you were going to get to this point.
What got you through there? And it's awesome to have
you raring to go.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
I think like you hit on the head my determination,
my will. Knowing where I was at last year, the
level I was playing at, I've been thriving to get
back to that feeling of being unstoppable. Nobody can really
stop what I got going on making impact plays every game.
I wanted that feeling so bad, So the only way
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I can get back to that is getting on the field.
So that's what kept me going, kept me going through
the rehab when it was difficulty and when I had
to watch games and all that stuff. So that was
the biggest thing.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
And still some things were out of your control. You
can't control the Chiefs got back to this point when
you weren't on the field. How cool is this though that?
I mean, we don't win that AFC Championship game last
year with that your strip sack, but now we're back
in that moment. You're healthy and ready to go. Yeah,
how great is this op pertunity for you?
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (20:01):
I've talked to my friends about it. I've told them
like it's a full circle moment for me that when
we do play them will be three hundred and sixty
three games from when I got hurt to that day
of the time span of like from my injury to
being back in the same moment. So it's gonna be good.
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My mind is set on trying to make more plays
and this time be able to step foot in the
super Bowl and make impact there.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Yes, sir, we cannot wait for that. Your ability to
play both inside and outside has been key. What about
having the mindset of you can be as forceful being
on the inside as well as the outside.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Yeah, man, I think that's what I tip my hand
as a player that I can play the run inside,
I can play the run outside and rustro Pester inside
and Ropesta outside. So it gives no limit for where
I can be at, where I can line up at
as song as I have opportunity to rush, be one
on one with somebody. Eventually I'll get through. And like
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I said, part of me was kind of frustrated with
myself in the regular season that I wanted to do
more in that aspect, but I at times have to
give myself grace and know that it's coming. And I
was very big and like self talk as far as
this last game of having a complete game, and yes,
I had the strip sack, but I also was heavily
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involved in the run game, setting edges, how I know
it's supposed to be done playing the tight end, how
I've done my whole career, and just continue to show
that all because I had the injury doesn't mean anything.
I've recovered fully from that and I'm ready to make
the impact of the same level or even more that
I did last year throughout the year.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Yeah, playing your position is a lot more than just
the sacks. You're good at that part, though, And one
thing that's kind of unique about you is you always
go for the quarterbacks arm when they're wearing back to throw.
That's where you get all those strip sacks. That's a
mentality thing. Where did you learn that?
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Where did I learn that?
Speaker 4 (22:06):
I would say I was doing that a lot in college,
to be honest, watching when I was growing up, just
watching defensive line, watch DeMarcus a lot. Me and Dewear
had worked out probably my second year in the league.
In the offseason, I was working with him, and he
would always talk to me about that seeing JJ being
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with JJ, he did it a lot. So I was like, well,
those two are really really great players, and the impact
it is to get strips aside them just a regular
sack is night and day. So I always told myself, like,
these quarterbacks are not that difficult to get down, so
you might as well try and get the ball and
make a huge game changing play. And all my playoff
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games that I've played in since my third in the league,
I've done that, and I just tell myself just keep
going after the ball.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
There are a few things better than seeing the panic
on the quarterback's face when they realize the ball has
been stripped away and they're like where to go? Yes, yeah,
it's great.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
I love it. Yea.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
I'm gonna ask you more about that, but I'm going
to go to Josh Allen right now. And the fact
that they do run it, whether it's Cook, whether it's Johnson,
whether it's Davis, but Josh playing him.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Yeah, I've been saying this. I think Josh is an
extremely elite quarterback, very elite to be his size, rocket
arm and then be able to run the way he
can and I just personally thought that, like, he'll get
out no matter what. He's a guy that can get
out regardless. So you just want to apply and as
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much person as you can shrink the pocket on him,
make it to where he has no escape plane, and
then when he starts to take off, you get off
your block and try and finish the job. So that's
much respect to him. I think he's top three quarterback
in the league for sure, and he's one of those
guys I think there's like a super competitor, Like there's
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competitiveness and there's like ultra competitiveness, and he falls in
that category.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Of course, that's the only game that we've lost this year,
if you take out the Week eighteen game. Watching that game,
of course, you weren't on the field.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
I don't think.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Are you thinking if I'm out there, I can make
a player or two and now you get that chance.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
Yeah, I mean, like you said, I wasn't there when
they went up to Buffalo and played, and I watched
the game. I've watched the Buffalo that game, and then
I watched the regular season game we had last year.
I watched the playoff game we had. Then I watched
them versus Baltimore. So I've quite watched quite a bit
of their tape, and there will be opportunities I'll be
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able to impact in the run in the past game,
and when I do get the opportunity to get around him,
I mean no longer time.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Final question it deals with I'm amazed at your wingspan
and how you use it. I remember the play against
Easton Stick last year, the ninety seven yard scooping score.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
It's his favorite play.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
It's like elongated Man or whatever, like you know, some
some superhero that just goes what about your wings spann
and how you use it?
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Yeah, like I said, it just goes back to.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
I think great players make those exceptional plays. There's, like
I said, I've said, a sack is good. But if
you took the ball away and your teammate picks it
up and he goes scores, it's four minutes ago. They're
trying to tie the game or win the game, and
you strip sack them, the game's over. It's a euphoric
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feeling that I want all the time.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Let's do that on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Okay, we kind of want that feeling too, But everyone
out there, everyone watching listening to this podcast needs you
know how hard this dude works right here for this.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Moment, appreciate them.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
So excited for him. It reminds me of the story
of One Thornhill. One Thorn Hill in twenty nineteen. Really good,
really good safety for us right now Cleveland Brown. But
at the end of the regular season he tore his
knee up. He missed the run to Super Bowl fifty four.
In that championship. He's such a good dude. I remember
those setting with him in his locker. Everybody's celebrating right
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in the champagne and cigars and all that stuff, and
he was sitting there going, I really wasn't part of this.
I'm happy, but I really wasn't part of it. And
then he got the chance to be healthy and win
Super Bowl fifty seven.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Here's Charles Amnhu, we don't.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
And you said it to him, and in the interview
where we probably don't get to the Super Bowl last
year without a Menahu and what he did in the
game against these guys and the game against the Ravens,
and yet he tears his acl and a year later
he gets the same chance One Thornhill gets you. Just
this story is very.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Very rare do you remember a luke O Shaver?
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Oh? Yeah, with the Royals.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
So there's a very similar parallel story here where luke
O Shaver was going to be the Royals closer in
twenty fourteen. Really remembers this because the way Davis was
so good, but Luke Hoas Shaver.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
And under a lot of criticism because he was supposed
to be high draft pick, right, yeah, number one over
hip back and it's supposed to be like twenty game
winner every year and that didn't happen, and everybody's down
on him, like, no, no worse than this guy.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
On twenty fourteen in training camp, he blows out his
elbow and the Royals weren't supposed to be super good
that year, like maybe they'll compete and not go to
the World Series. And he told the reporters the thing
I'm most disappointed about is that I won't be on
the pile at the end of the year when we
win the whole thing, and everyone kind of laughed at him. Well,
the Royals went to the World Series that year, didn't
win it. But the following year, Luca Shaver came back
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and Lucas Shaver was on the mound when the Royals.
I think took the lead in that game and of
course got a World Series ring. All his rehab was
about getting back to that moment, and he got back
and was part of a World Series champion. So I
say all this because Luke or Charles Mine, who was
in a similar situation where he helped the Chiefs get
to the super Bowl last year, like I told him,
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and like you just said, I don't think the Chiefs
get to the super Bowl without his efforts. But now
he has a chance to not only get back to
that game, but to help us win it. And I
think it's so cool because those things are not necessarily
in his control. All he can control are you know,
his rehab and making sure he's ready for the moment.
But the moment's here, and his preparation, everything that he's
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done to get to this moment is kind of colliding
with the Chief's opportunity. That's really cool, and we're going
to need him against Josh Allen on Sunday. But glad
Charles is on our side.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
We'll close this way.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
But the second key point not only to giveaway takeaway,
which is dramatic.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
If you look at the Buffalo.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Bills season who does Buffalo Who in the NFC reminds
you of Buffalo? Because I started calling this a little bit.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Oh man, you're letting me on the spot here. I'm
trying to think, Man, my bad.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
I shouldn't do it. Bufalo Eagles.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Oh okay, I was gonna save Philadelphia.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
This is the Buffalo Eagles. Yeah, because in a lot
of ways. Yeah, And here's why. They have run the
ball very effectively. And the Chiefs. I love the Chiefs
three headed monster. Talk about Isaiah Pacheco, Kareem Hunt, what
he's meant, sam I JP Ryan. They also have a
three headed monster because rookie Ray Davis has been very.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Effective for them.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
But you throw him in with Johnson, and then you
throw him in with Cook who's had an amazing season.
And then the ability of Josh Allen to run the
ball either by design or by ad libbing, and Josh
would probably be the MVP. I went back and looked
at the three games, the two games in the playoffs
and the November seventeen game against US. Twenty three times
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the Bills had followed me here on this second and
four to go for a first down or less third
and two to go for a first down or less.
Nineteen out of the twenty three times they convert for
a first down. Of the four they didn't, three of
the four led to the next down where they did convert.
Think of the fourth and two touchdown by Josh Allen
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to seal the game back on November seventeenth. The point
here matt is winning on f down is paramount. First
downs are touchdowns in this game, where if they get
you the bills into second and four or less or
third and two or less, it becomes they could be
tush push whatever. But when they have you there, they're
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like Muhammad Ali having you on the.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Ropes, and they've really perfected that over the years. I
remember thinking about to the twenty twenty one playoff game
against these guys. It was the same thought process where
if they're in third and three, they're probably gonna pick
it up, and it's just really, really difficult because Josh
Allen is such a unique talent where he's huge. He's
way bigger than people realize until you actually see him.
It's ridiculous how fast he is for how big he is,
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and he runs quarterback power better than just about anybody.
So yeah, keeping them in long third downs is important.
What's kind of interesting is looking back at the week
eleven game, the long third downs is kind of where
the Bills burn the Chiefs, because I think we did
a pretty decent job of keeping them in a lot
of long third downs for the most part, particularly early
on in drives. But we got burned because they can
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averted six third downs that were third and six or longer.
They had a third and six and a third and
nine on their opening touchdown drive in that game. A
third and nine early in the second quarter converted via
penalty led to a touchdown. Another third and nine early
in the third quarter, converted via penalty led to another touchdown.
Then people forget about this. We all remember the fourth
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and two run by Allen that sealed the game. And
what's so interesting is, of course that the Chiefs could
a stop there, we would have a chance to go
win the game or tie the game or whatever. Well,
right before that sequence of downs, there was a third
and nine closer to midfield that Allen found Khalil Shakir
for ten yards and was it Brian Cook. Someone laid
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a big hit on him and he held on somehow
barely got the first down that led to a new
sequence of downs that eventually led to the fourth and two.
If you stop the Bills on third and nine a midfield,
I don't think they go for it. They maybe kick
a field goal, they maybe punt, and the Chiefs have
a chance to go win or tie the game. When
you have the Bills and long third downs, you've got
to get them off the field. And the good news
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is we didn't have Charles in that game, didn't have
Gillen Watson in that game. That makes a big, big
difference in my opinion. So I agree with your point.
Got to make sure they're in long third downs, and
when they are, you got to win more often than not.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
I'll even clue long second downs. Yeah, you've got to
put them in long second downs. They get five or
six on first down. Goes back to my stat that
I just gave you. It's almost automatic to get at
least a first down or put you on the heels.
So let's flip this over to the other side. If
you're looking for a cavity in the Bills, they were
last in the league this year in third down or
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six or more. This goes to your point on the converse,
when their defense faced the opponent going third or six
and more. They allowed a first down or longer thirty
four percent of the time, last in the league, So
there's some chance to turn the cannon on them. Protection's key.
We know about Rousseau, Oliver's a beast, Epanessa, the Iowa guy,
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and then they've they've got Milano back a linebacker, but
a little bit different Buffalo team. They're just and I
give them a lot of credit. This was supposed to
be a year they were going to cut adjust the cap,
like a year they might slide back the windows closing.
Now here they are, But when you look at this team,
I don't think it's the same as what you get
in a national perception.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Yeah, no, I agree with you. And there defense overall
to your point, I mean, they've allowed the fourth most
first downs of any team in the league. They're number
twenty nine in the league on third down, number sixteen.
Red zone defense, they've allowed thirty nine ten play drives,
fifth most in the NFL. But here's what they do.
They force you to run a bunch of plays in
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their kind of banking on the fact you're probably going
to make a mistake. And to their credit, that's happened
all year long, where teams have made mistakes against them,
they've maybe moved the ball a little bit. And you
kind of made this point that it's a lot of
times after a double digit gain, and we saw this
with Mark Andrews in the divisional game last week where
big game, big first down, they punch the ball out,
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you're feeling really good, you're running down field, they punch
the ball out in this game, if the Chiefs can
execute a methodical game plan, you move down the field,
you protect the football, and you convert in the red zone,
which they did a great job of back in Week eleven.
There were three for three in terms of red zone
touchdown efficiency in that game. That's why it all comes
down to just a turnover or two, because these are
two really good teams competing against one another, and they're
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really evenly matched in so many ways. But yeah, you
can move the ball on this Bills defense, but they
force mistakes and you have to make sure that you
play mistake free football against these guys. One player I'm
watching is Xavier Worthy because if you look back at
that Week eleven game, that was kind of Xavier Worthy's
coming out party. He had four catches for sixty one
yards and a touchdown in that game. He has at
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least forty receiving yards and every single game he has
played in since that day, he kind of graduated in
my mind to what he is now in that game,
and also DeAndre Hopkins likely gets a bigger snap count
in this game than he did the first time around
because he was still kind of new in that game.
Hollywood Brown didn't play in that game, so there's a
lot of factors that that Week eleven game is interesting
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and it's important to look at. But this is kind
of two different teams competing against one another in this
one because to be fair, the Bills didn't have Dalton
Kincaid didn't have Keon Coleman in that game, so they
know each other well. But it's also kind of a
new battle too.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Yeah, Noah Gray was big in this game MI on
November seventeenth. I remember he was part of the red
zone two touchdown of the three.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
But we know this. We can break this game down
a thousand.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Ways, but we are as certain that we know it's
the Bills and the Chiefs. But in this unique circumstance,
use this unique historic circumstance, that is the moment
It's a classic matchup once again. Patrick Mahomes will play
Josh Allen in the playoffs for the fourth time. In fact,
at second an NFL history in the playoffs, only to
Peyton Manning against Tom Brady. But there's many other reasons
that this is the moment, and that's what we'll talk
about on this edition of Defending the Kingdom, of course,
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
Holmes stepping up again.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Tries to throw lindod text chanceas city. Hi everyone, I'm
Mitchelter's voice to the Chiefs along with senior team reporter
Matt McMullen. One thing that you do so well, whether
you're writing or speaking or researching, is to understand the
gravity of the moment. And yes, it's Mahomes versus Allen.
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Yes there's history here, pats one and four against the
Bills in the regular season with three and zero on
the playoffs. And we can spew out a bunch of
stuff we'll get into this game, but the moment. I've
said that this is probably the biggest game in this
city's history, just because if the Chiefs do something in
this they can do something in this game that's never
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been done.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
So this will sound kind of like what we said
on last week's episode, because we talked about how we
were really starting the journey with last week's game against
the Texans. But everything that we've talked about for months now,
and really since Super Bowl fifty eight ended, like the
day afterward, has been leading up to this game. It's
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all been leading up to this moment and watching games
around the league. Of course, wanting to win our own
games has been about all those steps in the process,
about making the playoffs, about making sure we win the division,
get the one seed, trying to lay out a path
where you can win one game at home to then
set up this game. And here we are. We've made
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it to this point. I think it's poetic that it's
Chiefs and Bills again. It's the one team the Chiefs
lost to in the regular season. I mean, it is
all about this game. And the amazing thing about our
team is that they approach it like it's kind of
a twofold thing. It's any other game, you go through
your normal procedure. But also they know the stakes of
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this game. They know what this game means, they know
that they've been working all year long for this game,
and I can't wait to see the result.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
And the historic nature of this game.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Why the biggest one I think played in the city
is that no NFL team has won back to back
Super Bowls and even made it back to a Super
Bowl for a chance for a three peat. There are
three that got this level. The nineteen seventy six Steelers
they lost, the nineteen ninety forty nine Ers, they lost
fifteen to thirteen to the Giants after a fifteen win
regular season. That might be the most parallel team to
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what the Chiefs have done. And then the ninety four Cowboys,
they had won back to back whoops, they lose to
the San Francisco forty nine Ers. They don't get back.
The Chiefs win this game, this moment, the Chiefs will
make National Football League history. And winning this AFC championship,
it's right there. It's right there again.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
You work all your life long for this moment, for
it to be at home, for you to have your
your full team, and to be healthy. And the Chiefs
are the healthiest they've been all year, getting out of
that Texans game with a full bill of health, and
at least as far as we know, everyone's ready to
go for this game that we could hope could be
ready to go for it. It's at home. The atmosphere
is going to be incredible. And thinking about, you know,
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last year's run, and as great as it was, it
was so much fun going on the road and winning
those games. But at the end of the day, you
want these games to be in Kansas City because we
have the best home field advantage in the NFL. The
stadium is going to be electric, It's going to be
an amazing atmosphere. And I just keep getting back to
the opportunity that this is. We say this all the
time on DTK, but sports fans will go their entire
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life not even getting close to seeing their team playing
in a game like this. And let's go out there
and do it.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
And we're close to seeing something that's never been done
in this league. All right, let's go around the world.
We're trying to get ready. You can tell Matt and
I are already like foaming at the mouth of this game.
But the best way to kind of cal him down
a bit coach would say, don't peak too soon if
he was in our face right now. But one way
to kind of just keep it real is jumping our
space capsule and go around the world.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
I was watching the CFP National Championship game last night
and it's just kind of hard to focus on anything else.
But you're right, we need to distract ourselves briefly. Here
heard from Brants from Ulysses, Kansas. Yep, Tigers lives in
Hayes now. Had a chance to meet you at camp
a few years ago. It was at the game on Saturday,
and it's my understanding he'll be at the game on Sunday.
See you our good luck. You listen this baby, Yep,
(04:34):
this is a cool one. So shout out to Domo
Domo Genesis. I think I had heard of Domo before.
He's a very successful rapper, DJ and songwriter from Inglewood, California.
Then a lifelong Chiefs fan. Just always hated the Raiders,
always just liked the Chiefs from Afar and he listens
to DTK and wrote in So shout out to you, Domo. Thanks,
very cool.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Yeah, we need to know how he became a Chiefs
fan though, well.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
He said he just loved the color red growing up,
hated the Raiders and was like, I guess I'll to
support the Chiefs. And now he's a Chiefs fan, so
very logical. Shout out to you. Heard from Mary. She's
checking in from Iola. Kansas Mustangs or the Phillies. The
guys are called the Mustangs, the gals are called the Phillies.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Okay. Also home of Allen County Community College.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Where is it? Uh?
Speaker 1 (05:16):
It is southeast Kansas, all right, So if you it's
east and south of Kansas City, good area, good sports
tradition there. But yeah, so a couple hours from Kansas
City south and east Okay, sorry, south and a bit
west south and a bit west Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
They would let you know if you're wrong. Keith is
from Belleville, Illinois.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Yeah, Saint Louis basically the Illinois side of Saint Louis.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Davis from Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Probably went to Altaf High School, I'm guessing.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Just talking about talking about Keith and Bellville. Yeah, okay,
what's their mascot?
Speaker 2 (05:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Set you up for that one.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Yeah, thanks.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Remember talking about Papillion, Nebraska in Yeah, and La Vista,
So I heard from a bunch of people from there.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
That's coming out of the woodwork.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
So do you remember La Vista's mascot? No, okay, it's
the Monarchs. And there's also another school, Leavista South.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Ooh, that's a new one.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
I think they're the Titans.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
The Titans. The new schools have gone with Titans a lot.
I don't know why. Maybe remember the Titans movie.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Yeah, a lot of Titans are new schools and consolidated
schools that are small.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
They go together. IT'SO the Titans. It's kind of makes
sense geographically though.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Did they take the Tennessee Titans logo and just change Oh?
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yeah? Oh no.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
If Tennessee knew how many teams are losing, he's in
their logo right now, there'd be a lot of season desist.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
It's just funny how so many schools do that. And
it's just it looks so weird because the colors are different,
maybe even like the letters are different, but it's the
same logo. I digress. We have a listener from Toronto.
I want to go to Toronto, Toronto Kansas, Toronto, Canada.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
There's Toronto Kansas stand by eureka.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Okay, well, this listener's kind of behind endemy lines because
Toronto's kind of like bill bills.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Yeah, you know, there was some thought about moving the
bills to Toronto.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Remember that?
Speaker 1 (07:03):
Yeah, if you don't build a new stadium, We're going
to Toronto.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Yeah. Well, they're representing us behind enemy lines. Bruce is
in Liberal, Kansas.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Redskins, Okay, Suward County Community College.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Okay, all right. A few weeks ago we mentioned Henry
in South Africa. This is cool, So Allen wrote in.
He's preparing to move to Cape Town here pretty soon
and is hoping to find a chief family in South Africa. So, Henry,
if you're interested in meeting Allan, We've already done this
in Cambodia. We can do it in South Africa. So
trying to connect people around the world. Susan rode in
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from Jackson Hole, Wyoming. I'll be in Jackson Hole in
about five months, looking forward to that. We've a listener
from Washington State wrote in with a story about how
you made him a Chef fan because his wife was
from Kansas City. They started listening to the radio broadcast
together because she moved out to Washington to live with
them in the Tri Cities area, and he just loved
how you brought the game to life. You explained football,
(07:57):
you explain what the players were all about, and your
passionate love for ball brought it all to life for him.
So you made him a Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Fan, Husky cougar.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
I'm guessing he's a cougar because they're well, actually, I
don't know Eastern Washington. He told me, and I didn't
write it down.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
I need to know.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
I'm assuming Jason Cookers. I don't know for sure though,
j Jayden Hicks or Trent McDuffie. How about that room
and Jalen Watson, right, Jalen Watson.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Yeah, we got two cougars and a husky in there,
Keith Taylor, Taylor in that room. We have ten dbs
on this team. Two are Huskies and two are cougars.
In the same room, Apple cup baby every day when
they meet.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
What are the odds of that? Brett grew up in Clinton, Missouri,
but now lives in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania. A lot of history there.
You ever been to Gettysburg?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
I have? Yeah, That's amazing, powerful place, powerful, very powerful.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Oli hondro Is from Columbia, South America, moved to Kansas
City in nineteen ninety six and been a fan ever since.
We've got Carlos is from Santiago and the Dominican Republic,
but a fan since nineteen ninety three. Dorrel is checking
in from Woodland Hills, Utah. Became a fan because of
Alex Smith. Love it when you get Camber the Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Obviously you guy.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Yep, don't tell coach. Don't tell coach b Yu all
the way. D is an Ashgrove, Missouri, watches every game
with his grandson or ash Grove.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
I should man, I got it. I get to like
look at my Missouri map before we do this every time.
It is, but it's super easy.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
I know at Cashville every just went nuts and Castell.
You don't know where Cashville is at. So the homework
this week is Ashgrove.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Trisha is from Sydney, Australia. Augustine is riding in from Ghana.
Shannon is from Cameron, Missouri. We're very familiar with Cameron
because Dragons.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
I know that one's the exit. It's the exit, but
it's also home of the Cameron Dragons. Get that one right, well.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Shannon lives in Colorado Springs now, but it's from Cameron
originally go dragons. Dale was checking in from Orlando, but
originally from Tuscaloosa. Tuscaloosa is on my bucket list to
be honest to go to a game.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
I want to go.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Yeah, Bryan, Denny Steven, I want to go too. I
want to go to Toomor's corner.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Jordan Hare yep, yeah, immitt that and we can go roll.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Let's go together. Uh.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Bill Rode in from Overland Park, but he's lived in Wahoo, Nebraska,
Date Iowa and Tumwa, Iowa. A a Tumwah yep, yes,
that's where I get in trouble as a pronunciation, that's okay.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
A town was Southeast Iowa. The fictitious character of Radar
O'Reilly in the famous series mash Okay was from a Tumwa.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Really yep, okay. That is a fun fact. Patrick is
from Tubigen, Germany. Definitely mispronounced that. But home of the
Tigers in the basketball Bundesliga. Love it wet. You just
start getting like these international teams the home of.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
The We need Bundesliga updates.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
I'm into that because at first he just at home
with the Tigers, and I assumed it was the European
League of American Football.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Which we're gonna We're going to renew that in the springtime. Yeah,
We're going to follow like our favorite friends and we
got stuff now.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
A team, you know, yeah, but anyway, maybe basketball Bundesliga
is also on the table. That's all I got. Pretty ridiculous.
We heard from five continance this week. Only thing we
were missing was Asia, which we hear from Asia all
the time. We've been contingent in Cambodia, contingent in the Philippines, Thailand,
all over. But we heard from North America, South America, Africa,
Europe and Australia. That's pretty cool. The world has fired
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up for this game. I think that's so awesome.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Five Continents, Well done out there, Kingdom Defenders, and well
done Matt McMullan. The moment, it's the Bills in chiefs.
We talk about the historical aspect of this game. Historical
two for the Bills, they've not been to the Show
in thirty years, they've never won it. They have been
left at the altar four times, so this is big
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for them, much like it was big for the Texans
last week. They'd never won an AFC divisional game. So
there's just a lot here on the line. But why
this is, in my opinion, of the biggest game in
the city's history because of.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
The NFL history. That's there.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
All right, let's jump into the football portion of this game.
The Buffalo Bills. You admire what they've done. Josh Allen
probably be the NF the MVP of the NFL, although
interesting looking at his numbers, they kind of redirected the
way they play. If you look at their wide receiver corps,
only one played against us last year in the divisional round.
And then I thought, well, what about us? Only one
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of our guys played in the divisional round last year?
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Wow? Think who it was?
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Yeah, it would have been a don't tell me, don't
tell me, don't tell me.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Huh.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
I want to say Juju, but it's not. Juju's Justin Watson. Watson,
that's who it is. That's yeah, nobody else Juju was
two years ago. Yeah, he played in that's a trick question.
But twenty two. Not in twenty three. None of these
other cats worthy do you have go right down the line. Yeah,
and Nico didn't obviously, Yeah, Nico Rimio wasn't.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
He was on practice squad.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
It feels like Juju never left, but he did. Yeah,
we have a bunch of those where guys were gone
and came back, Like mcchole's that. Yeah, So here's here's Buffalo.
They redirected the way they play. Shakiers had a big year,
but it's about running the ball, winning on first down
and the ridiculous giveaway takeaway ratio plus twenty four best
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in the NFL during the regular season. We saw it
reach ahead in their divisional playoff victory over the Ravens
plus three critical critical turnovers, all three of them, and
the Bills scored off two of them.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Credit to the Ravens. It didn't allow one of the
turnovers to be a score because two of them they
happened in their territory. But then also the lack of giveaways.
Buffalo only gave the ball away this year eight times.
That tied an all time NFL record with the twenty
nineteen Saints. Every giveaway was Josh Allen's six interceptions. That's crazy,
two loss fumbles, but that's it. Goba takeaways and hardly
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any giveaways. And to me, that's where the discussion of
the twenty twenty four playoff twenty five Bills, that's where
it starts.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
The turnover margin is the game, and it's always important
in every game that you play. This is the first, second,
and third priority in this game, though, and you just
laid it out. I have some more numbers for you.
Buffalo forced thirty three turnovers this year, third most in
the NFL, sixteen interceptions that was the fifth most in
the league, but sixteen recovered fumbles, most in the NFL.
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They have a fumble recovery rate of fifty seven percent.
That's crazy. That's way higher than anyone else in the league.
Everyone else is kind of hovering around between like twenty
five and maybe even forty percent as high these guys
are at fifty seven percent. In terms of recovering loose balls,
they lead the NFL and take away points with one
hundred and twenty eight that's twenty four percent of their
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overall point total for the year. We talked about that
last week with Houston that twenty seven percent of their
overall points for the year were off of takeaways, that
was the highest rate in the league. Well, these guys
are similar. It's twenty four percent, that's third highest rate
in the NFL. And they also have twenty nine drives
this season that began in the opponents on the opponent's
side of the field, most in the NFL, and they
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scored one hundred and eighteen points on those drives, again
most in the NFL, and the vast majority of those
are due to takeaways. Don't turn the ball over in
this game. Win the turnover margin. It's very difficult to
force turnovers on these guys. And we'll talk to Charles
Menihew a little bit later. Hopefully he can force a
couple in this game. But one thing you can always
control as an offense is not turning the ball over.
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These guys live and breathe off takeaways. It's fueled their
entire season. And here's an interesting note on Patrick Mahomes.
Mahomes has won thirty seven consecutive games in which the
Chiefs won the turnover margin, and that includes the playoffs.
Win the turnover margin, and the Chiefs have a great
shot at winning this game.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
It's been crazy. The last time the Chiefs turned it
over November the seventeenth. It's an NFL record against the
Buffalo Bills the last time, and even that was a
desperation interception at the end of the game, and there
was a kind of a ghastly interception earlier. But you
think about it. Since November seventeenth, the Chiefs have not
turned it over, But it's really been the Bill's season.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Knock unwood.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Yes, wherever you are, knock on wood.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
But let's go taking your numbers even a little bit further.
The one hundred and twenty eight away points. We always
look at that because you can look at giveaway takeaway,
but what do you do with your takeaways MATTERI laid
out most of it there. Compare that to the Chiefs,
who only had seventy eight takeaway points. That's fifty more
points the Bills got this year off of takeaways. In addition,
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second in the league with the Buffalo Bills one hundred
and seven possessions after takeaways. So when you look at it,
and it makes sense, but you get a takeaway, that's
one more possession you get that your opponent does not get,
and you're usually getting in favorable territory. As you mentioned,
they were number one in the league, the Buffalo Bills
in starting average field position.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Why mostly they were.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Taking the ball away in a fortuitous position and then
to use it to go score. That's the first biggest
part of this game and this Buffalo team.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
And what's so funny, there's a million ways to talk
about this particular point, but The Chiefs and the Bills
are so similar in a million ways, and one of
them is that both like to play ball control and
kind of condense the game. People might not think that
about Buffalo because Josh Allen has had this great year,
but they do the same thing that the Chiefs do,
where they try to condense the game. They play ball control,
they win the time of possession. And that's why in
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this game, both teams are probably going to have eight
or nine drives offensively total. The numbers back that up
because the Chiefs defensively have faced the fewest opponent drives
in the NFL and the Bills have faced the third fewest.
So that kind of amplifies this whole takeaway conversation. And
that's what happened to the Chiefs in Week eleven, because
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if you only have eight or nine drives and you
turn it over twice all of a sudden, you lose
so much of an opportunity to keep pace with a
really good team. It goes the other way too, If
Buffalo loses the turnover margin and they're only going to
have eight or nine possessions in the game, they lose
the opportunity to keep up with the Chiefs. So we
could talk for an hour about this. It really boils
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down to a very simple sentence, don't turn the ball over.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
And yet you still have to attack without turning the
ball over. Both of these teams have to. You can't
sit there like run zero hole dives all day long.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Yeah, smart football though, But the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Let's just talk about the Chiefs and what happened at
the end of the season, going from minus four to
tenth in the league and giveaway takeaway. We chuckle about
it because they were sitting in at minus four minus four,
and then that three games in eleven day span they
were plus ten in the giveaway takeaway. But a huge
key in this game for the Kansas City Chiefs. And
he got hurt in this game a year ago and
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he can tell you by the day. But let's check
in with a guy who could be the difference in
this game. He did not play on November seventeenth, Charles
and Minahu, the King of the Forest fumble. So excited
to turn this guy loose in the AFC Championship game.
Charles and Minahu, I'm going to start this way. I
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would see you when you were in your rehab and
heartbroken when you got hurt last year in the AFC
Championship game, but you had a face of determination and
will that you were going to get to this point.
What got you through there? And it's awesome to have
you raring to go.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
I think like you hit on the head my determination,
my will. Knowing where I was at last year, the
level I was playing at, I've been thriving to get
back to that feeling of being unstoppable. Nobody can really
stop what I got going on making impact plays every game.
I wanted that feeling so bad, So the only way
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I can get back to that is getting on the field.
So that's what kept me going, kept me going through
the rehab when it was difficulty and when I had
to watch games and all that stuff. So that was
the biggest thing.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
And still some things were out of your control. You
can't control the Chiefs got back to this point when
you weren't on the field. How cool is this though that?
I mean, we don't win that AFC Championship game last
year with that your strip sack, but now we're back
in that moment. You're healthy and ready to go. Yeah,
how great is this op pertunity for you?
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (20:01):
I've talked to my friends about it. I've told them
like it's a full circle moment for me that when
we do play them will be three hundred and sixty
three games from when I got hurt to that day
of the time span of like from my injury to
being back in the same moment. So it's gonna be good.
(20:23):
My mind is set on trying to make more plays
and this time be able to step foot in the
super Bowl and make impact there.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Yes, sir, we cannot wait for that. Your ability to
play both inside and outside has been key. What about
having the mindset of you can be as forceful being
on the inside as well as the outside.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Yeah, man, I think that's what I tip my hand
as a player that I can play the run inside,
I can play the run outside and rustro Pester inside
and Ropesta outside. So it gives no limit for where
I can be at, where I can line up at
as song as I have opportunity to rush, be one
on one with somebody. Eventually I'll get through. And like
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I said, part of me was kind of frustrated with
myself in the regular season that I wanted to do
more in that aspect, but I at times have to
give myself grace and know that it's coming. And I
was very big and like self talk as far as
this last game of having a complete game, and yes,
I had the strip sack, but I also was heavily
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involved in the run game, setting edges, how I know
it's supposed to be done playing the tight end, how
I've done my whole career, and just continue to show
that all because I had the injury doesn't mean anything.
I've recovered fully from that and I'm ready to make
the impact of the same level or even more that
I did last year throughout the year.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Yeah, playing your position is a lot more than just
the sacks. You're good at that part, though, And one
thing that's kind of unique about you is you always
go for the quarterbacks arm when they're wearing back to throw.
That's where you get all those strip sacks. That's a
mentality thing. Where did you learn that?
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Where did I learn that?
Speaker 4 (22:06):
I would say I was doing that a lot in college,
to be honest, watching when I was growing up, just
watching defensive line, watch DeMarcus a lot. Me and Dewear
had worked out probably my second year in the league.
In the offseason, I was working with him, and he
would always talk to me about that seeing JJ being
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with JJ, he did it a lot. So I was like, well,
those two are really really great players, and the impact
it is to get strips aside them just a regular
sack is night and day. So I always told myself, like,
these quarterbacks are not that difficult to get down, so
you might as well try and get the ball and
make a huge game changing play. And all my playoff
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games that I've played in since my third in the league,
I've done that, and I just tell myself just keep
going after the ball.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
There are a few things better than seeing the panic
on the quarterback's face when they realize the ball has
been stripped away and they're like where to go? Yes, yeah,
it's great.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
I love it. Yea.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
I'm gonna ask you more about that, but I'm going
to go to Josh Allen right now. And the fact
that they do run it, whether it's Cook, whether it's Johnson,
whether it's Davis, but Josh playing him.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Yeah, I've been saying this. I think Josh is an
extremely elite quarterback, very elite to be his size, rocket
arm and then be able to run the way he
can and I just personally thought that, like, he'll get
out no matter what. He's a guy that can get
out regardless. So you just want to apply and as
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much person as you can shrink the pocket on him,
make it to where he has no escape plane, and
then when he starts to take off, you get off
your block and try and finish the job. So that's
much respect to him. I think he's top three quarterback
in the league for sure, and he's one of those
guys I think there's like a super competitor, Like there's
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competitiveness and there's like ultra competitiveness, and he falls in
that category.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Of course, that's the only game that we've lost this year,
if you take out the Week eighteen game. Watching that game,
of course, you weren't on the field.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
I don't think.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Are you thinking if I'm out there, I can make
a player or two and now you get that chance.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
Yeah, I mean, like you said, I wasn't there when
they went up to Buffalo and played, and I watched
the game. I've watched the Buffalo that game, and then
I watched the regular season game we had last year.
I watched the playoff game we had. Then I watched
them versus Baltimore. So I've quite watched quite a bit
of their tape, and there will be opportunities I'll be
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able to impact in the run in the past game,
and when I do get the opportunity to get around him,
I mean no longer time.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Final question it deals with I'm amazed at your wingspan
and how you use it. I remember the play against
Easton Stick last year, the ninety seven yard scooping score.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
It's his favorite play.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
It's like elongated Man or whatever, like you know, some
some superhero that just goes what about your wings spann
and how you use it?
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Yeah, like I said, it just goes back to.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
I think great players make those exceptional plays. There's, like
I said, I've said, a sack is good. But if
you took the ball away and your teammate picks it
up and he goes scores, it's four minutes ago. They're
trying to tie the game or win the game, and
you strip sack them, the game's over. It's a euphoric
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feeling that I want all the time.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Let's do that on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Okay, we kind of want that feeling too, But everyone
out there, everyone watching listening to this podcast needs you
know how hard this dude works right here for this.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Moment, appreciate them.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
So excited for him. It reminds me of the story
of One Thornhill. One Thorn Hill in twenty nineteen. Really good,
really good safety for us right now Cleveland Brown. But
at the end of the regular season he tore his
knee up. He missed the run to Super Bowl fifty four.
In that championship. He's such a good dude. I remember
those setting with him in his locker. Everybody's celebrating right
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in the champagne and cigars and all that stuff, and
he was sitting there going, I really wasn't part of this.
I'm happy, but I really wasn't part of it. And
then he got the chance to be healthy and win
Super Bowl fifty seven.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Here's Charles Amnhu, we don't.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
And you said it to him, and in the interview
where we probably don't get to the Super Bowl last
year without a Menahu and what he did in the
game against these guys and the game against the Ravens,
and yet he tears his acl and a year later
he gets the same chance One Thornhill gets you. Just
this story is very.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Very rare do you remember a luke O Shaver?
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Oh? Yeah, with the Royals.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
So there's a very similar parallel story here where luke
O Shaver was going to be the Royals closer in
twenty fourteen. Really remembers this because the way Davis was
so good, but Luke Hoas Shaver.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
And under a lot of criticism because he was supposed
to be high draft pick, right, yeah, number one over
hip back and it's supposed to be like twenty game
winner every year and that didn't happen, and everybody's down
on him, like, no, no worse than this guy.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
On twenty fourteen in training camp, he blows out his
elbow and the Royals weren't supposed to be super good
that year, like maybe they'll compete and not go to
the World Series. And he told the reporters the thing
I'm most disappointed about is that I won't be on
the pile at the end of the year when we
win the whole thing, and everyone kind of laughed at him. Well,
the Royals went to the World Series that year, didn't
win it. But the following year, Luca Shaver came back
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and Lucas Shaver was on the mound when the Royals.
I think took the lead in that game and of
course got a World Series ring. All his rehab was
about getting back to that moment, and he got back
and was part of a World Series champion. So I
say all this because Luke or Charles Mine, who was
in a similar situation where he helped the Chiefs get
to the super Bowl last year, like I told him,
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and like you just said, I don't think the Chiefs
get to the super Bowl without his efforts. But now
he has a chance to not only get back to
that game, but to help us win it. And I
think it's so cool because those things are not necessarily
in his control. All he can control are you know,
his rehab and making sure he's ready for the moment.
But the moment's here, and his preparation, everything that he's
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done to get to this moment is kind of colliding
with the Chief's opportunity. That's really cool, and we're going
to need him against Josh Allen on Sunday. But glad
Charles is on our side.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
We'll close this way.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
But the second key point not only to giveaway takeaway,
which is dramatic.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
If you look at the Buffalo.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Bills season who does Buffalo Who in the NFC reminds
you of Buffalo? Because I started calling this a little bit.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Oh man, you're letting me on the spot here. I'm
trying to think, Man, my bad.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
I shouldn't do it. Bufalo Eagles.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Oh okay, I was gonna save Philadelphia.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
This is the Buffalo Eagles. Yeah, because in a lot
of ways. Yeah, And here's why. They have run the
ball very effectively. And the Chiefs. I love the Chiefs
three headed monster. Talk about Isaiah Pacheco, Kareem Hunt, what
he's meant, sam I JP Ryan. They also have a
three headed monster because rookie Ray Davis has been very.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Effective for them.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
But you throw him in with Johnson, and then you
throw him in with Cook who's had an amazing season.
And then the ability of Josh Allen to run the
ball either by design or by ad libbing, and Josh
would probably be the MVP. I went back and looked
at the three games, the two games in the playoffs
and the November seventeen game against US. Twenty three times
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the Bills had followed me here on this second and
four to go for a first down or less third
and two to go for a first down or less.
Nineteen out of the twenty three times they convert for
a first down. Of the four they didn't, three of
the four led to the next down where they did convert.
Think of the fourth and two touchdown by Josh Allen
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to seal the game back on November seventeenth. The point
here matt is winning on f down is paramount. First
downs are touchdowns in this game, where if they get
you the bills into second and four or less or
third and two or less, it becomes they could be
tush push whatever. But when they have you there, they're
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like Muhammad Ali having you on the.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Ropes, and they've really perfected that over the years. I
remember thinking about to the twenty twenty one playoff game
against these guys. It was the same thought process where
if they're in third and three, they're probably gonna pick
it up, and it's just really, really difficult because Josh
Allen is such a unique talent where he's huge. He's
way bigger than people realize until you actually see him.
It's ridiculous how fast he is for how big he is,
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and he runs quarterback power better than just about anybody.
So yeah, keeping them in long third downs is important.
What's kind of interesting is looking back at the week
eleven game, the long third downs is kind of where
the Bills burn the Chiefs, because I think we did
a pretty decent job of keeping them in a lot
of long third downs for the most part, particularly early
on in drives. But we got burned because they can
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averted six third downs that were third and six or longer.
They had a third and six and a third and
nine on their opening touchdown drive in that game. A
third and nine early in the second quarter converted via
penalty led to a touchdown. Another third and nine early
in the third quarter, converted via penalty led to another touchdown.
Then people forget about this. We all remember the fourth
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and two run by Allen that sealed the game. And
what's so interesting is, of course that the Chiefs could
a stop there, we would have a chance to go
win the game or tie the game or whatever. Well,
right before that sequence of downs, there was a third
and nine closer to midfield that Allen found Khalil Shakir
for ten yards and was it Brian Cook. Someone laid
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a big hit on him and he held on somehow
barely got the first down that led to a new
sequence of downs that eventually led to the fourth and two.
If you stop the Bills on third and nine a midfield,
I don't think they go for it. They maybe kick
a field goal, they maybe punt, and the Chiefs have
a chance to go win or tie the game. When
you have the Bills and long third downs, you've got
to get them off the field. And the good news
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is we didn't have Charles in that game, didn't have
Gillen Watson in that game. That makes a big, big
difference in my opinion. So I agree with your point.
Got to make sure they're in long third downs, and
when they are, you got to win more often than not.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
I'll even clue long second downs. Yeah, you've got to
put them in long second downs. They get five or
six on first down. Goes back to my stat that
I just gave you. It's almost automatic to get at
least a first down or put you on the heels.
So let's flip this over to the other side. If
you're looking for a cavity in the Bills, they were
last in the league this year in third down or
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six or more. This goes to your point on the converse,
when their defense faced the opponent going third or six
and more. They allowed a first down or longer thirty
four percent of the time, last in the league, So
there's some chance to turn the cannon on them. Protection's key.
We know about Rousseau, Oliver's a beast, Epanessa, the Iowa guy,
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and then they've they've got Milano back a linebacker, but
a little bit different Buffalo team. They're just and I
give them a lot of credit. This was supposed to
be a year they were going to cut adjust the cap,
like a year they might slide back the windows closing.
Now here they are, But when you look at this team,
I don't think it's the same as what you get
in a national perception.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Yeah, no, I agree with you. And there defense overall
to your point, I mean, they've allowed the fourth most
first downs of any team in the league. They're number
twenty nine in the league on third down, number sixteen.
Red zone defense, they've allowed thirty nine ten play drives,
fifth most in the NFL. But here's what they do.
They force you to run a bunch of plays in
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their kind of banking on the fact you're probably going
to make a mistake. And to their credit, that's happened
all year long, where teams have made mistakes against them,
they've maybe moved the ball a little bit. And you
kind of made this point that it's a lot of
times after a double digit gain, and we saw this
with Mark Andrews in the divisional game last week where
big game, big first down, they punch the ball out,
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you're feeling really good, you're running down field, they punch
the ball out in this game, if the Chiefs can
execute a methodical game plan, you move down the field,
you protect the football, and you convert in the red zone,
which they did a great job of back in Week eleven.
There were three for three in terms of red zone
touchdown efficiency in that game. That's why it all comes
down to just a turnover or two, because these are
two really good teams competing against one another, and they're
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really evenly matched in so many ways. But yeah, you
can move the ball on this Bills defense, but they
force mistakes and you have to make sure that you
play mistake free football against these guys. One player I'm
watching is Xavier Worthy because if you look back at
that Week eleven game, that was kind of Xavier Worthy's
coming out party. He had four catches for sixty one
yards and a touchdown in that game. He has at
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least forty receiving yards and every single game he has
played in since that day, he kind of graduated in
my mind to what he is now in that game,
and also DeAndre Hopkins likely gets a bigger snap count
in this game than he did the first time around
because he was still kind of new in that game.
Hollywood Brown didn't play in that game, so there's a
lot of factors that that Week eleven game is interesting
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and it's important to look at. But this is kind
of two different teams competing against one another in this
one because to be fair, the Bills didn't have Dalton
Kincaid didn't have Keon Coleman in that game, so they
know each other well. But it's also kind of a
new battle too.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Yeah, Noah Gray was big in this game MI on
November seventeenth. I remember he was part of the red
zone two touchdown of the three.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
But we know this. We can break this game down
a thousand.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Ways, but we are as certain that we know it's
the Bills and the Chiefs. But in this unique circumstance,
use this unique historic circumstance, that is the moment
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