February 18, 2025 • 44 mins
John Schmeelk and Tony Pauline discuss Tony’s latest mock draft and answer draft questions submitted by fans.
:00 - Picks 1-8
10:56 - Picks 9-16
19:21 - Picks 17-24
25:47 - Picks 25-32
32:35 - Fan Questions
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Draft.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
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at moodys dot com. Tony. Last week, you put on
your first mock draft since the All Star Games over
at sportskida dot com leading up to the NFL Combine.
Before we get into the individual picks, we'll get into
all thirty two of them, and then we'll take your
fan questions as well. Right here. What was the most
difficult part of this for you doing your twenty twenty
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five mock draft?
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Probably limiting limiting it to just two quarterbacks in the
first round because there's probably gonna be three, maybe four
quarterbacks selected in the first round. But when I did this,
I'm just gonna look at the team needs. I'm gonna
go best player available all the way through until I
start to maybe get more news come combine that is
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there a team late in the first round, maybe the Rams,
maybe the Lions, who are really heavily leaning towards taking
a quarterback in the first round. So reducing the number
of quarterbacks in the first round was pretty It was difficult.
You know, there's a lot of teams that need edge rushers,
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that's a top priority, and the edge rushers quickly came
off the board, so you try. I want to try
and stay on my board, not make any crazy picks.
So sometimes you have to go to what is perceived
to be the second or third need because that may
be the best player on the board available when they
are on the clock. Per se.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yeah, Tony, I gotta imagine because teams always will reach
at the end of that first round, another team will
trade back in if they missed that on the first
go around. In the quarterbacks, and then you have those
I think the issue with this draft. You're right, you
know certain positions are deep. So when do teams start
attacking those deep positions even though they know maybe later
in the draft they can get a good player at
that spot because the position is so deep. But at
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the same time, you want to pick the best player
that's on the board.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
When you go right, or vice versa, you know, whenther
they say, well, maybe we better get a defensive tackle
or cornerback now because the you know, it may fall
low or are safety now because the talent is really
going to fall off later on, and if we don't
get one now, you know, we are out of luck
later on.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
All right, let's get to it. And we should know too.
This is pre free agency obviously, so team needs right
now are relative. Team needs can change a lot once
we get through the free agency period. Here, Tony, so
we'll focus more here rather than on team needs. We'll
focus on the players and how they fit because needs
can obviously change once we get through that free agency
period in the middle of March. All right, times number one, Tony.
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There's been a lot of noise that they are not
looking for a quarterback, that looking to trade out of
this pick. But you decided to go with the obvious here.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Yeah, you know, it's pre free agency. It's also pre combine,
and what's gonna happen is a lot of things are
going to happen at the combine. And if you look
at history, if that first pick is traded, it's usually
within a week or so after the combine or our
team moves up. You look when the Jets move up
to get San Donold. You look at when the Bears,
you know, traded that pick for Carolina who took Ryce Shong.
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It's usually right after the combine. So if there is
legitimate news about a team wanting to trade up to
that first pick, I think, you know, and the Titans
moving down, that will come during the combine and kind
of sift through who may be interested in it. I've
mentioned the Raiders before, but I think, you know, I
just stuck with what I heard at the shrineball. Cam
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Ward's gonna be the first quarterback off the board. And
if the draft were held now, when I did this
mock draft, the Tennessee Titans were going to take would
take Cambellward with the first pick of the draft. I mean,
you know, I don't know Will Levis is their future. Yeah,
they have a lot of needs on the team. You
have a lot of areas to fill, but sometimes you
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can't draft today for what you expect to happen next year.
What we'll get our quarterback next year? Well, how do
you know you're gonna be in the top ten next year?
How do you know the quarterbacks is going to pan
out next year, So that was why I selected Ward
or I chose Ward to the Titans with the first pick.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Yeah, I say, if you like the player, don't wait
on a quarterback right to take the swing when you can,
because to your point, you don't know who's around next
year or when you're going to be picking. I'm with
you on all those things. Yet with the second overall pick,
you do not give a quarterback to Cleveland Browns, which
are also a quarterback needy team given the Shaun Watson's
injury situation.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Yeah, I mean they are, but as I mentioned, you
know again, I reported it at the from shrine Ball.
A couple of things. Number one, we're going to see
what happens with that trade with Garrett Miles. Is he traded? Know?
Does that come to fruition? What do the Browns get
in return for Garrett Miles if they if they ship
them out.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
I'm sorry, Miles Garrett said Miles.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Garrett, I'm sorry, Miles gott I apologize. Uh. And then
the next thing is is the deal I'm gonna.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Put you inside Tony's head here when we track these guys.
We said a lot of times you do last name
come a first name on R and I think that's
what bit Tony.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
There or Tony just get has brain fox, so the
you know got to give you dude, Let's let's be honest.
And I'm not even I got it written here and
I'm not even I'm not even reading here. But you know, again,
as I reported from the Shrineball, there is a concern
Dean Sanders is said all along that you know, there
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are going to be some teams that he's going to
tell don't draft my son, don't draft Travis Hunter. And
the speculation is the Cleveland Browns could be one of
those teams. Again, more will come out as we get
closer to the draft, but that was the rationale behind
this selection.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
All right, let's go pick them three for the New
York Football Giants. Tony, who do you have them picking
and what's your rationale?
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Well, shed Door Sanders, Obviously they need a quarterback. They
can't go into the season with the quarterbacks they have
on the depth chart. Now, maybe they signed somebody in
free agency, you know, Derek Carr, somebody like that, but
still you're gonna need a quarterback for the future. He's
got great upside. He does have a lot of holes
in his game that will talk about in our combine preview.
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But I mean, I think it's a it's a nice fit.
They need a guy for the future, they need a
guy who could potentially help them right away. I don't
know that Door Sanders is going to do that. And
plus go back to the you know Dion Wood, Eli
Manning would probably love to have his kid playing in
New York City, and.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
He thought on giving the Giants Travis Hunter, who you
do have going to the Patriots at number four.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
I mean, I think it would be nice, but I
think you'll be able to get a good receiver later on,
maybe good cornerback in the second round. I just think
that the quarterback position is such a glaring hole for
the Giants. I mean, they need somebody, whether it be
a veteran a rookie, to start in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Yeah, I'm with you, all right. And then the Patriots,
is this just best offensive player available to try to
give Drake May as much help as you can.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Yeah, And also they could also need help at cornerback.
I mean, as we'll talk about in a combine preview,
Travis Hunter was designated as a cornerback, but he can
do a lot of different things. And you know, you
get you want to make Drake May more successful, give
him more weapons. Also, you got to protect him. And
I just don't think Will Campbell is worthy of going
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this early in the draft.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Fair point. And by the way, Tony's mentioned a couple
of times our combine preview. Will era next Monday before
everything kicks off at the Combine. Then Tony Will and
I will be back the following week to talk about
everything that went down in Indy. All right, pick number five,
the Jacksonville Jaguars, Tony, you go with a very very
safe player in my opinion, Mason Graham, defensive tackle out
of Michigan.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Yeah, Jaguars do not want to miss on this first pick.
Now they have an offensive mind you head coach. I mean,
could it be Ted McMillan, possibly, But I think the
Jaguars have to get a safe pick in there they
can't miss. And Mason Graham is a guy that also
fills the need because they need help on the interior
defensive line, the other area, the other position that they
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could address this cornerback. But Mason Graham is significantly safer
than Will Johnson.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah, I'm with you, all right, then pick number six
the Las Vegas Raiders. You're not doing trades in this mock,
by the way, we should make note of that. So
no trades yet. We'll wait till we get through free
agency and all that stuff before we start having fun
with trades. Antonio and I will start doing every month
or so a mock draft with the two of us
on this show. Raiders Ted McMillan. They traded Devonte Adams
last year. They need a receiver. We'll see who the
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quarterback is, but at least you'll have somebody to throw too.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
And he's just it's phenomenal receiver. I mean, he's not
a big play receiver, but he's a lot like the
Vonte Adams and that he's natural, he's fluid, he's a
game controlling wide out. I mean, the Taypon McMillan is
really impressive. He's not just not very fast. Now, I
do think, as I've reported, that the Raiders will be
in conversation to move up to get a quarterback, because
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like the Giants, they need a signal caller for twenty
twenty five.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Absolutely, all right, let's go to the New York Jets
at number seven, and you already mentioned the player that
you have going to them, Will Johnson, the cornerback out
of Michigan.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Makes a lot of sense. DJ Reid, who's probably the Jets'
best cornerback last year. I know I'll get backlash for
that statement. He's not expected to be back. They bring
in Aaron Glenn. What position did Aaron Glenn play? Right cornerback?
And it's a position of need, so I think it's
a nice fit. Johnson does have some downside though he
played better in twenty twenty three than he did in
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twenty twenty four, but he's told and you go back
to that early film and he was a lockdown corner.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
And we'll talk about him in the Combine preview as well.
I have some questions there. Number eight, Carolina Panthers, the
first edge player off the board. You consider him an
outside linebacker as well. Jaylon Walker out of Georgia.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
I think Will Johnson would be a consideration if he's there,
but Jayalen Walker is a natural fit. And the more
i watch Jaalen Walker, and I'm pretty much done with
my sec film work, the more in love fall I
fall with this guy. I mean he's more than an
edge rusher. I mean he's a terrific edge rusher. And
when you watch him on film, he's not just a
guy who tasts wide angles. I mean he meets those
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tackles head on and he will stand those tackles up.
But he also gets tremendous steps on his past drops.
You can put him on the field on third and
six and you can either send him up the field
as a pass rusher or have him cover the tight
end in reverse play on the field. Is u is
really impressive? We'll talk about something in our Combine preview.
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The only really bad portion or or kinking his game
that I'm hearing from scouts.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
All right, let's go to pick number nine, the New
Orleans Saints. They draft the Weapon and Luther Burden wide
receiver out of Missouri.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Badly needed weapon. I mean, they need help on the
offensive line, but this team has spent so much draft
capital on the offensive line ahead of times you got.
You've got to stop the bleeding and say just go
with what you got or go a different direction. You know,
they need another weapon there to match up with chrys Olave.
Lave's had some injury concerns. Burden's a consistent receiver, he's
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a stout guy, he's got a he's got a bigger
build than chrysal Lava. So I think it's a good
compliment to their former number one pick.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Then you the Bears, Ben Johnson, the line's former OC.
Now the Bears HC coming from a program in Detroit
where they had a terrific offensive line. You have a
young quarterback. No surprise that. I'm sure they're thrilled that
Will Campbell dropped all the way to them at ten
at LSU.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Yeah, I mean, move on from Braxon Jones. This is
a new regime there. Caleb Williams had his issues last year.
You got to protect him. You want your young quarterback
to develop. You can't make another mistake as you have
in the past with some of the early first round
selections that the Bears have made at the quarterback position.
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You've got to get some protection in there for Williams.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
All right, let's go to the next selection, the forty
nine ers. They select Mikel Williams out of the University
of Georgia.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Yeah. I think with the Niners, edge is a primary concern.
I think Williams has got a lot of upside. He's
an explosive guy. He's a good fit for the system
because I like him in the fore man front. I
think it's a great pairing with Nick Bosa.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Okay, pick number twelve the Dallas Cowboys, and this is
a pick I'm sure we're going to see a lot
as the year goes along. Ashton Genty running back out
of Boise State, and this is one of those picks
Tony where I kind of mentioned earlier right as great
as Genty is and I think he's very deserving of
the selection. It's such a deep running back class. How
early do you want to pull the trigger? If you
think you can get another guy thirty picks later, that's
almost as good.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Go back to the Senior Bowl, when I reported on
Sports Skeeter that the Cowboys really want a receiver with
the early selection, I said in my mock draft that
if a top receiver a Luther Burden, I doubt a
Tech McMillan Fallstrom, that would be their pick. They would
jump over a receiver, a jump on a receiver. Now,
earlier this week, ESPN is reporting that the Cowboys would
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look to trade up to get a receiver, so I
was pretty much on the mark. But since when I'm
not dealing with trades, I think genty, who's one of
the higher rated players on my board, makes just too
much sense unless otherwise, unless there's a receiver available.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Surprising, I thought they might try to go offensive line
again with the issues that they had last year, but
they need weapons too, I think it makes sense.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Well, let me just let me just address that. I mean,
there's talk there was, and I reported this again on
Sports Skeeter from the Senior Bowl. They think that they
have talent on the offensive line, but they're just not
developing the talent. So they want to get maybe better coaching,
better offensive line coaching in there to basically develop the
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players that they're already on the depth chart.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Cooper Babe Tyler gotting a couple of those guys among
a couple other young guys at Garden Center as well.
All right, let's go next selection, pick number thirteen, Miami Dolphins.
Malachi Starks, safety out of Georgia. Third Georgia player in
the top thirteen.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Defensive tackle was a consideration here, but really Miami could
use two safeties and it's not a deep safety class.
If you want a really good one, you better get
get him early and starts as an explosive defensive back.
He's more than a safety. I mean you can play
him over the slought receiver to do a good job
for you. He's explosive against the run. So this was
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sort of where need fits, best player available. Good for
the Dolphins, all right.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Pick number fourteen the Indianapolis Colts. I think it was
a tight end Colston Lovelin out of Michigan. U surprised
maybe to some people that he's the first tigh end
off the board. That's a conversation we could certainly have
in another show. But Tony, you give Lovell and another
weapon to the coal to been drafting receivers high. It
seems like the last three seasons.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Yeah, And Malachi Starks would have been the pick here
if I had not given him to the Miami Dolphins.
And you're right, I mean it's going to be a
surprise to somebody. You look at the system, you look
at who the quarterback is. Anthony Richardson, and I think
that Loveland is more of a down to the field
threat and Tyler than Tyler Warren is. And I think
he's a better fit because he's more of a past
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catcher first, blocker second and even a downfield threat, better
intermediate threat than Warrem nothing against Warren, and I know
people's you know, heads are gonna explode, and you know,
talk about this a little bit later on. I just
think that Lovelan is a better downfield threat and a
better fit for the for their system. And I have
Lovelan and Warren rated very close together.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Yeah, totally so do I I did even though I
was off last week. I had a week off. I
did some I wanted to catch about some tapework, and
I watched both tight Ends back to back. I watched
pretty much all their targets. I watched a lot of
their run blocking in the game, in the run game,
And to me, I'm with you, I have them like,
I think, like two hundreds or something of a point
apart from each other in terms of the grading scale
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that I use, And but they're just different types of players, right,
do you want that? Darren Jeremia tweet this other day,
I was kind of annoyed and is I feel like
that's something I want to talk to you about this weekly.
I watched both tight ends where he's kind of classifying
his tight ends. Now, are you a gronk or are
you a Kelsey Colston. Lovelin's a Kelsey Tyler, Warrens a gronk. Right,
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Do you want the guy that's bigger, run after the catch,
can run through you, or do you want the guy
that's more of a fast route runner type that can
get open and you know, win on the route tree.
So I think they're both good players. It all depends
on which style of tight end you're looking for, the
move tight end or you're looking for the guy that's
the why that's gonna play in the line of scourage.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Yeah, exactly, and block as well, and Warren's a much
better blocker. I think what happens is, you know, people
see the highlights, they seem Warren, you know, at center
taking snatcher, and they fall in love with him. But again,
when you look at the fit, when you look at
the ability to break it downfield, which Loveland has shown.
And Loveland doesn't have a lot of good film from
twenty twenty four because he was injured. He had a
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shoulder issue once you had all that turnover at Michigan,
which hurt him. So if you're just watching twenty twenty four.
I can understand why people would like Tyler Warren more
than Callston Loveland, but you got to go keeper.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
And I'll say that's about Warren too. There's some like
highlight blocks on his tape where he makes some really
nice blocks. He has some whips in there too, so
he needs to get more consistent in that area in
terms of technique and things like that. But it certainly
just because of his size, he is much more upside
at that spot as a blocker. But yeah, I think
you're on the point there, Tony Falcons. They're still in
an ever never ending search for an edge rusher Tony.
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They try to find one with this pick with James
Pierce Junior out of Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
And it is kind of funny, right, I Mean, you
got teams who always he's looking for quarterbacks. You mentioned,
you know, the New Orleans Saints always selecting offensive linemen.
And I think it's going to be a defensive minded
or a defensive concentrated draft with the Falcons, and I
think they go with James Pierce, who Pierce is a
terrific athlete. I mean, he's explosive, he can rush the passer,
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he shows a variety of moves. He gets out into space,
making plays. He shows the ability in pursuit. He's got
to get bigger and he's got to get stronger. I
mean he looks like a thinner type guy. We'll see
what happens with the combine, but I think this is
a good fit for not only need, but the system
as well.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
All right, then the Cardinals, they need playmakers up front
on defense, they try to select on you. With Kenneth
Grant defensive tack out in Michigan, the fourth of Wolverine
taken in the first sixteen picks of the draft, they're
twenty five percent. That's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
No, I didn't even count, but thank you for bringing
that up. But again, I mean, another team that has
consistently drafted in the front seven took the kid from Missouri,
Darius Robinson a year ago. I think Grant is an
outstanding fit for their system. I think Mason Graham is
the safer pick. But when you look at the size,
you look at the movement skills, you look at the athleticism,
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I don't think it's far fetched to say that if
Kenneth Grant continues to improve and he hits his upside,
he could be as good, if not a better NFL
player than Mason Graham.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Ah, that's a nice preview for what we'll talk about
on the Combine Show next week, as Keneth Graham might
blow up and own a good portion of that combine
all right, Pick number seventeen, Tony Calvin Banks out of
Texas tackle guard. It depends on what scout you talk to, and.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
The Bengals need both. So they need a left tackle,
they need an offensive guard. Granted, he can't play both
positions at the same time, but he's a real good
player with a high upside. Just got to get his
game back to where it was early in the season.
You watch Calvin Banks the early portion of twenty twenty four,
he was so much better than it was later on
when he struggled with a little bit of injury. But again,
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you know, a good zone blocking offensive lineman, effective on
the move and could play or project so one of
two positions, one of the most important positions, left tackle.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Pig number eighteen a Mecca ag Buca wide receiver out
of Ohio State, first Buckeye taken off the board Tony.
They might tie or set the record for most players
drafted this year, breaking Michigan's record from last year. But
their first player doesn't go off the board until pick
numbers eighteen to the Seahawks, who already of Jackson Smith, Jigba,
another Buck Eye, and DK Metcalf, but you wanted to
give him another weapon.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Well, they may move DK all that. There's rumors that
they may move Metcalf in ufseason. We'll have to see
what happens there. I think with Abuka this is a
little bit earlier than I had on my board. Offensive
line is also in need for the Seahawks. I didn't
see any offensive lineman really worthy of being selected at
the point. At this point, I think with Abuka, you're
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getting a guy who's consistent and safe. He's not spectacular,
but he's the type of rookie who can start early
in his first year in the NFL and produce. I
don't think he'll ever be spectacular, but he's very dependable
and reliable.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
I picked them in nineteen. The Buccaneers, they're trying to
redevelop that defensive line. Joining an edge player here with
Nick Scarton out of Texas A and M Tony. He's
a guy that I'll talk to some people down at
the Senior Bowl. He did not participate there because of injury.
A lot of people thought he maybe put on some
weight going to Texas and m and I'm curious to
see what he weighs in down there in India at
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the combine and just kind of what his body looks like.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Well, not only that, but what is your weigh in
at and what his testing, because that's both that's important.
Guy puts on, you know, ten to fifteen pounds. Is
he the same athlete with the testing that he showed
on film? You know, the Buccaneers have one of those
teams that they can't seem to find the formula for
the pass rushing, big pass rusher that they need. They've
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gone and they've used a lot of early draft capital skeleton.
Is he's very athletic on film. I mean he's explosive
up the field. There are times where they play him
awful line of scrimmage on zohe blitzes and he moves
around while shows some ability and coverage or enough that
he's not a liability and coverage. So this and I
like his upside. I think Scourton is a good player
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now that can be a real good player two or
three years down the road.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Then, mean le Broncos at twenty Tony they picked Tyler
Warren tight end out of Penn State. Any thought here
to maybe giving them a running back? They were kind
of punting pecking for a running back. Do you think
it was a little bit too early for that second
back to go off the board?
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Way too early for that second back? I mean, could
they do it at Sean Payton? I mean not a
lot of people thought he was going to take bo
Nicks as early as he did last year and it
worked out for him. So yeah, could they go with
an o'marion Hampton type at this selection? Possibly because it's
Sean Payton, But they also need a tight end badly,
and I think Warren is a Sean is a Sean
Payton type of player, a lunch pale, punching him out
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type of type of tight end that can do a
lot of things.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Well, absolutely, all right, let's go to pick number two,
twenty won the Pittsburgh Steelers. They like the draft guys
up front, Tony on defense, and they get one here
in Walter Nolan.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
What do they do with the quarterback position? I think
this is an area where Jalen Milroe could potentially be selected,
but I think they need laid light the big playmakers
up front. That's what Walter Nolan is, especially on film.
He flashed it during the Senior Bowl. And there were
times during the Senior Bowl where you know he was
also stimied at the point of attack, but you get
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him playing at his best, and Walter Nolan is a
guy who can play in at three man front and
still make plays.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
All right, let's go to pick number twenty two, Josh
Connery the Chargers. I assuming they're picking him, to move
him in the guard, right, Tony, because they have two
tackles in Alton Dershawn Slater already in hand, and.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
That's exactly where I have, Matt. If you saw the
mock draft, they Josh Connelly at guard, I would have
preferred a tight end here. If one of those two
tight ends falls to the Chargers, I would have considered
a wide receiver. But listen, what is Jim Harbaugh. What
is his m His mo is our offensive lineman? He said,
offensive linemen are a weapon you make Justin Herbert a
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better quarterback by protecting him. And that's what Josh Connelly
does at guard for the Chargers.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
All right, let's go to the Packers a pick number
twenty three, Ty League Williams out of Ohio State. It's
a very Packers pick. It's just a really good, solid
football player. Probably not going to be a star, but
he's going to be a good defensive tackle.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
For you would have liked an edge rusher here, but
you look at Williams. What Williams has done throughout his
career to house date, through the season last year. You
watch him during the college football playoffs, which we talked
a lot about on this podcast. He's an athletic big man.
Going to be really interested to see how heavy heat
or high and I'll say heavy what he weighs in
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at the during the combine the workouts. You know they're
saying three twenty. But if you watch the film, he
doesn't look like a three twenty pound defensive lineman on
the field he played. He looks like he's a you know,
small less the way he moves in his achility. So
and again I think for the Packer system, this is
an excellent fit.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
All right, Let's go pick number twenty four the Vikings
Benjamin Morrison, a cornerback out of Notre Dame. We got
to find out about the medicals with him Tony at
the comment. We'll talk about that on next week's show.
But a very talented player that some people had projected
in the top twelve, top ten before the season began.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Yeah, and again the Vikings always looking for the cornerback.
Can't get that recipe right. You know you said it correctly.
I mean you go back and you watch the film
in twenty twenty two, in twenty twenty three, and Morrison
was a lockdown corner I mean you could be They've
got another budding cornerback at Notre Dame. Now you got
to look at the you gotta look at the medicals,
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the hip injury. When is your gonna be back? When
is he gonna be a hundred percent? The film was
also not that great this year. I mean, like will Johnson,
I think Morrison played hit played his better football a
year or so ago. That's also going to be something
to that's discussed.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
All right, Let's go to the Texans at twenty five.
Derek Harmon out of Orion.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
I would have liked the bigger defensive tackle. I think
Tyler Leak Williams. It would be a it would be
in the conversation here, But they do need a defensive tackle.
He's explosive, he's a playmaker, he plays with great leverage,
and I think Demiko Ryan's being a defensive minded coach
with pound the table for him.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
All right, let's go to pick number twenty six, Los
Angeles Rams. Linebacker, not an edge rusher, a linebacker. Jee
Hot Campbell out of Alabama.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Well, they have some good edge rushers there already, and
when with Sheared the first last year, you got to
kid Young from Tennessee who's a good player. So they
really need.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
A regular no, if Tony, you're right, they have a
desperate need for a linebacker. They traded mid season Ernest Jones, right,
they traded mid season this year.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
So well, former South Carolina right. And Johad Campbell is
the best off the ball linebacker in this draft. I mean,
we talk about linebackers and arrest the passler. You watch
Jehad Campbell and he's a guy who's making place sideline
to sideline in pursuit. He's the guy that can drop
in coverage. He's got some upside needs needs a little
polish on his game. But if you're looking for a
free down linebacker, who on third and six can cover
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the tight end or cover the running back. It's John
Campbell and that's what the Rams need see.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
If this even happen to the Ravens and Tony's fictitious
mock drafts, they sit at twenty seven and the guy
that could be the best left tackle in the draft
just drops to him and Josh Simmons out of Ohio State,
they're starting left tackle as a free agent. The Ravens.
We got to see if they bring him back. But
if they can get Josh Simmons at twenty seven, that
is an absolute steal.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
And with Josh Simmons, it'll depend on the medicals. I mean,
when is he going to be ready to play? Are
they going to Josh Shimmons injury happened what the middle
of the beginning, middle of October? So when is he
going to be one hundred percent? How much of training
camp is he gonna miss? Is he going to miss
any of training camp? But like you said, if Josh
Simmons had remained healthy and basically was able to play
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hesse at Oregon game and assist Ohio State through the
College Football Championship, he's probably the first I don't think
it is. He's the first offensive tackle taken and you know,
we're maybe talking about the Patriots selecting him with the
fourth selection of the draft. He was that good. But
it's not just the injury. It's the fact that not
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playing the last two months kind of stunted the development
that he had showed a year and a half prior
at Ohio State.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Ronnie Stanley, that left tackle, that's a free agency. He's
had some injury issues too, so that'll be a tough
decision for the Ravens. Let's go to the Detroit Lions
Tony and we saw when Adan Hudginson got hurt this year,
they had a tough time generating pass rush without having
the blitz a whole lot. They're trying to solve that problem.
They select Mike Green, the edge rusher, out.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Of Marshall and this is another area, you know, do
they look at their quarterback of the future, But Mike
Green was just the higher rated than any of the
quarterbacks on my board. Obviously we saw what he could
do with the singer ball. We had talked about him
on this podcast going back to September. He's an explosive
edge rusher, standing over tackle out of a three point stance.
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It's got to get a little bit stronger, it's got
to get a little bit had some a bulk to
his frame that should come once he enters an NFL
weight training program. Compared to what he was doing at Marshall, Washington.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Commanders need desperately a help on defense, specifically in the secondary.
They try to get some here in Shavon Revel out
of East Carolina, Tony. If he was healthy, he could
be a top fifteen pick. He's not. Commander's get a
potential steal here, and he was all the way back
I think in September, right, so probably better chance he's
ready to go by the start of the year.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
I think it was early October, and it was a practice.
It was an injury in practice. It was a I
believe it was a non contact injury and practice that happened.
You know, they took the kid from Mississippi State Forbes,
Malcolm Forbes, who has not worked out, and I'm not
surprised by that.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
I was never by He's not even on the roster anymore.
They could have last year.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
So yeah, you know, with Revel, he's sort of a
mini version of Josh Simmons, although he's not as far
along in his game in Josh Simmons in a sense
that he's got great measurables. When you look at him,
he showed a developing game. I was more impressed with
him the beginning part of twenty twenty four than I
wasn't too twenty twenty three. Showed the ability to make
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plays with his back to the ball. But again you've
got to look at the injury. When is he going
to be ready, and you know, not just when he's
gonna be ready health wise, when he's going to be
ready on the field. Is he going to be able
to carry that momentum that he showed during the early
portion of twenty twenty four through the twenty twenty five
NFL season and then.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Back to that corner is Johnny barn Out of Texas
Tony at number thirty to the Bills.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Carrie lomp has not panned out for him. The kid
from Florida, former for former first round pick Baron will
talk about because I know people have questions about him.
He's an opportunistic corner, needs some work on his technique,
but he is a guy that when the interception is
available or when the balls in the air. He's making
plays on the ball. Not the biggest guy in the world,
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but a guy who just is a is a ball magnet.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
All right, Let's go to the Chiefs at thirty one.
Watch that Super Bowl. You know they need offensive line help.
Tony arianta Ursii at of Minnesota, big man, big enough
to play tackle, is just a foot speed.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
And I've said, and I said in my mock draft,
this is a pure need pick. You know, depending on
what Kelsey does, maybe tight end, they could have a
good need some help at the receiver. But you know
you got Joe Tooney left tackle. The other the kid
from BYU has not panned out that they selected the
second round last year. Wayna Moore from Oklahoma has not
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panned out. They better, you know, if you want Patrick
Mahomes to have a long career and you want to
win more championships, you better protect the quarterback. So this
was a pure need selection. And as I said, sometimes
the Chiefs are a bit unorthodox with their selection. Remember
the kid from Makansas State that they took in the
first round two years ago and he's not panned out.
So I mean it would not be surprising if the
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Chiefs went in this direction based on their history and
the need.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
And then the Eagles at thirty two they select armand
Membo out of Missouri. I'm not sure he's gonna get
this far Tony, given the dearth of tackles. But to me,
this is a real small move for Philadelphia. Right, they
haven't need a right guard mc Kaie Beckton is probably
not going to come back, and Lane Johnson's probably going
to retire in the next two years. It could be
almost like the Cam Jurgen situation. Right, you're throwing them
off the guard and then all of a sudden, Lane
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Johnson's retires, You shift him out the tackle and you're
good to go.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Yeah, And people laugh when I said Jurgens wouldn't get
past the Eagles that year in the draft, and he didn't.
And look at the dividends, and we know one thing,
Howie Roseman loves selecting offensive linemen. They do a great
job developing their offensive lineman. We'll see if Memo gets there.
I can understand why he would be selected earlier than this,
especially after those measurements at the Combine probably put a
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lot of people's minds to rest about his ability to
play tackle. The question is, you know, do you think
he can play left tackle in the NFL? Or is
he strictly a right tackle? I would be leaning towards
the ladder right tackle.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
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questions in from the fans here. Let's get two of
them and we'll do another couple of these after we
get through the combine. This one from a nineteen twenty
five for I'm sorry, at nineteen twenty five Wrecking Crew.
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What's the top three areas of need where best player
available could be in play? This is for the New
York Football Giants, specifically at number three, Tony. And you know,
I think when you're talking about best player available for
me that early in the draft, Tony, you're talking about
one of the quarterbacks, which is probably more need than
pure grade. But then you're looking at either Abdul Carter
or you're looking at Travis Hunter. Those to many are
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the three spots where you're really making a call which
quarterback you like better? Then you have Hunter, then you
have Carter, And to me, they're a tier above the
next set of guys with you know, Mason, grand Tech,
McMillan and kind of the next set players.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
You'd like to throw offensive line in there, because the
Giants has struggled on the offensive line. But there's really
no I mean, Will Campbell is not worth the third
pick of the draft.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Yeah, I'm with you one hundred percent, all right, this
one from Big Blue Huddle. Want to know what Tony
is hearing about?
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Where?
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Where? And when he's at top five to ten? Ten's
a little tough where and when you think the top
five quarterbacks in this draft will be drafted?
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Well, just based on my I mean, obviously Kim ward
Is I would say right now ninety five percent is
going to be the first pick of the draft, whether
it's the carol whether it's the Tennessee Titans, whether it's
a team that trades up with the Titans. But I
would be shocked if he's not the first selection of
the draft. Shador Sanders, I mean, could he slide past
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the Giants? Possibly? He watched the door Sanders and we'll
talk about this as the combine. The fundamentals are not good,
but he's incredibly athletic. He's got upside and coaches are
going to try and you know, coach coach him to
his best. That's why they're football coaches. But I would
be surprised. I mean, I think it would be manna
from heaven for the Raiders if Shad Door Sanders slid
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to seven. I don't think that happens.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
So, all right, let's go to Marty Jenneire. So, Tony,
what are your opinions on the three players coming out
of Syracuse. Colum McCord, Aronde Gads in the third and
then they're running back to.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
La Quinn Allen. Thank you, right, I love two of them.
I think Laquin Allen and Ronde Gatson are just insanely underrated.
I mean la Quinn Allen he is a tough between
the tackles, downhill ball carrier, but he's also a sensational
pass catcher out of the backfield. I mean a sensational
pass catcher out of the backfield. He'd be a good
fit for the you know, the Miami Dolphins who need
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a bigger, powerful guy to you know, to work with
h On the kid from Texas A and m the
game breaker that they had that they selected a couple
of years ago. And he's also Allen is a terrific
pass catcher out of the backfield. I think he's going
to be underdrafted in the sense that he's probably an
early Day three pick who should be a Day two selection.
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Arondez Gatson. I just did my report on Rondez Gadson
and I said it wouldn't shock me if two or
three years down the road, Rondez Gatson is the best
tight end to come from this class. He's as he's
much more natural catching the ball than any of the
top the Dean Roya. He's as natural as Colston Lovelin
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at Tyler Warren. He definitely has a speed advantage. I
mean he's the former receiver. His measurements at the Shrine
bowler what two hundred and forty seven pounds, arms that
were over thirty three inches, hands that were almost ten
inches and when we were a try and bol practice,
I mean he looked like a receiver playing the tight
end position. Now he's got to learn.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
People got his dad, He's the thing.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
He's got the blood lines right now, he's got to
learn the block. But he's two hundred and forty seven pounds,
and I go back to what I said earlier. You know,
if you put on ten to fifteen pounds, how do
you move? He looked like he was a two hundred
and thirty pounds two and twenty five pounds, you know,
oversize receiver catching the ball, which is why I think
he's going to be a Day two pick. I have
him as a second round selection, but I think in
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time wouldn't be surprised if he's the best tight end
to come from the twenty twenty five draft, if he's
developed correctly, if they coaching correctly. Kyle McCord. I spent
time with Kylin McCord at the Shrine ball. He's a
good guy. He's an honest guy. We talked about his
history of Ohio State. When you look at it from
a physical point of view, Kyle McCord ranks with the
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top quarterbacks in this draft as far as his size,
his arm strength, his ability to get the speed on throws.
The thing about Colin McCord that scares me is he
never sends his backside pressure and he's very slow to
move his head from the primary target. That was a
big problem at Ohio State, which he kind of improved
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because Ohio State he would just lock onto the primary
target and not move his head. Sometimes those things can
be coachable. I think Kyle McCord has done a great
job this year. He rebounded well after a four season
Ohio State. He rebounded well during the season. I mean,
he had that five interception game against Pittsburgh. He came back.
I think they won five of the next six games.
He's got a lot of upside. I just think he
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needs a lot of a lot of proper coaching to
get the batter aspects staring down the primary target and
not sensing the backside pressure out of the way. That
can be tough though. All Right.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
This one from Big Dogs thirteen eighteen, Tony. If you're
the Jets general manager and Tony did not get selected
out of that hiring process a couple of weeks ago, Tony,
Mike condolences to you. Will Johnson and Mason Graham are
both available at seven, along with any offensive tackle you
want in the draft. Who are you taking?
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Why I'm not taking Will Johnson there because I mean
the Jets helpfully have their left tackle of the future
Will Campbell. Well, camp I'm sorry, I'm not taking Will
Campbell because I don't know Will Campbell can play right tackle.
The Jets hopefully have their left tackle of the future
from last year's draft. I would lean towards Mason Graham,
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but I think with Aaron Glenn being a former cornerback
in the needed cornerback with the DJ Reed the leaving,
I think that they would take that, they would lean
towards Will Johnson and I you know, he says the
general manager. One of the reasons Mooie was brought in
was because he could work with UH with Aaron Glenn,
sort of what you got have going on in Houston
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with the head coach to Meeka Ryan and Nick Saesaria
where they work together. So I don't think in New
York with the Jets anyway, it's gonna be a situation
where the general manager is basically going to have the
file say this is my guy. I don't care what
the head coach wants.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
And I think that's how I worked in Detroit too, right,
the head coach in a GM very much in Unison
there with the players they selected, which where Aaron Glenn
came from So I think that's another good way to
see how that might work. All right, This one from
at Eli manning Hof. Since the player is more apt
to be injured the more snats he plays, what's the
point of having Travis Hunter play on both offense and defense.
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If he sits due to injury and you had him
playing both ways, don't you really lose two players as
a result. So I'll just start by saying this, He's
never going to be a full time player on both sides.
That's not gonna happen in the NFL. Zero chance of
that happening. It's impossible. Just the way meetings you're structured,
practice is structured. He can't practice both, So that's not
gonna happen. So I think full time corner, part time
wide receiver is the most likely Tony. I know you
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might see it a little bit differently, Bubbo. You want
your best players to help your team as much as possible.
You can't run scared dude injuries.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
I think what's gonna happen is exactly what you said
will happen. But I think if he really takes off
at one position. If I'm wrong and he takes off
as a cornerback. Well, he's going to be more of
a full time cornerback than he is a receiver, and
maybe they put him in special packages at the receiver position. Likewise,
if he develops incredibly well at the receiver position, well
maybe he now is a dinback on occasion in the
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defensive backfield on certain situations.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
All right, and why football Jins fan, what are the
differences Tony for you between Jack Besh and Isaiah Hodgens.
They seem like similar players. Yeah, what I mean, Besh
is a better more of a he's a better athlete
and not as big as Hodgens. But they both have
really good hands, and they.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Both have the same sort of mentality, the same I'm
going to go get the football. You know, it doesn't
have to be a perfect pass. I'm going to go
up in a crowd and I'm going to come away
with the with the with the reception no matter what.
Sacrifice my body in a crowd or you know, take
a pounding and hold on to the football. They're also
both very smart. You know, it's not just running routes,
it's recognizing coverages, coming back to help the quarterback, following
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the quarterback across the field, which they both do well.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
All right, this one from at n Hasting one is
Abduall Carter closer to Michaeh Parsons or Caveon Thibodeau heard
some from Penn State, heard from some Penn State fans.
It's the latter, not the former.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Which Abdul Carter are we talking about? Are we talking
about the Abdul Carter in twenty twenty four? The Abdul
Carter in twenty twenty three. I could understand that opinion
that he's more cave On Phibideaux based off the twenty
twenty four film. Now, if you watch the show regularly,
which we hope you do, you go back really when
we started the season, I said, all along, I thought
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they were doing Abdull Carter, and I said, a couple
of times, a disservice they being Penn State by using
him as a defensive end, because he's so much more
than that. You go and if you just watch this year,
you can make that comparison to Keevon Thibodeaux. You go
back to twenty twenty three, where he was more of
a pure linebacker who would occasionally rush the passer, not
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coming out of a three point stance. You say, wow,
Michael Parsons, because you know, go back to what I
said about Jalen Walker during the mock draft. Can play
off the line, sideline to sideline range, can play and coverage.
We just didn't see that in twenty twenty four because
of the scheme that Penn State employed and they used
him up at the line of scrimmage, oftentimes out of
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a three point stance.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
All right, now, we got last question at Mets MAVs
nine to ten. Strange off season from Mets MAVs. They
lose Luka Doncic, but they do get all Wan Soto,
so he's had some some some good, some bad there
for Mets MAVs. DJ Daniel Jeremiah is Monk Draft a
few weeks ago had Will Johnson at fifth team, later
than Jade Baron, and his blurb said that Johnson is
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polarizing amongst NFL teams. What Tony, are you hearing regarding
Johnson and what are the chances he's not the first
cornerback taken off the board.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
Well, he had some Lady's season injuries, so you got
to check that out. Nothing major, But go back to
what I said about dual Carter, I mean Johnson's twenty
twenty three film. And I even said this when in
the mock draft. His twenty twenty three film is a
lot better than his twenty twenty four film. He watched
twenty twenty four. He was backed off the line of scrimage.
He gave up a lot of underneath receptions. I think
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what's going to happen is the general managers, coaches, et cetera.
Will talk to the college coaches. So and I know
a lot of giant fans are going to cringe when
I say this name. When they talked to Wink Martindale
to find out what was the situation with Will Johnson?
Was he just playing football? Excuse the expression, half asked,
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or was it a scheme thing where you specific had
him backed off that that far from the line of scrimmage.
That will be the determining factor.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
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Speaker 1 (44:09):
Sounds good job.
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at moodys dot com. Tony. Last week, you put on
your first mock draft since the All Star Games over
at sportskida dot com leading up to the NFL Combine.
Before we get into the individual picks, we'll get into
all thirty two of them, and then we'll take your
fan questions as well. Right here. What was the most
difficult part of this for you doing your twenty twenty
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five mock draft?
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Probably limiting limiting it to just two quarterbacks in the
first round because there's probably gonna be three, maybe four
quarterbacks selected in the first round. But when I did this,
I'm just gonna look at the team needs. I'm gonna
go best player available all the way through until I
start to maybe get more news come combine that is
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there a team late in the first round, maybe the Rams,
maybe the Lions, who are really heavily leaning towards taking
a quarterback in the first round. So reducing the number
of quarterbacks in the first round was pretty It was difficult.
You know, there's a lot of teams that need edge rushers,
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that's a top priority, and the edge rushers quickly came
off the board, so you try. I want to try
and stay on my board, not make any crazy picks.
So sometimes you have to go to what is perceived
to be the second or third need because that may
be the best player on the board available when they
are on the clock. Per se.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yeah, Tony, I gotta imagine because teams always will reach
at the end of that first round, another team will
trade back in if they missed that on the first
go around. In the quarterbacks, and then you have those
I think the issue with this draft. You're right, you
know certain positions are deep. So when do teams start
attacking those deep positions even though they know maybe later
in the draft they can get a good player at
that spot because the position is so deep. But at
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the same time, you want to pick the best player
that's on the board.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
When you go right, or vice versa, you know, whenther
they say, well, maybe we better get a defensive tackle
or cornerback now because the you know, it may fall
low or are safety now because the talent is really
going to fall off later on, and if we don't
get one now, you know, we are out of luck
later on.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
All right, let's get to it. And we should know too.
This is pre free agency obviously, so team needs right
now are relative. Team needs can change a lot once
we get through the free agency period. Here, Tony, so
we'll focus more here rather than on team needs. We'll
focus on the players and how they fit because needs
can obviously change once we get through that free agency
period in the middle of March. All right, times number one, Tony.
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There's been a lot of noise that they are not
looking for a quarterback, that looking to trade out of
this pick. But you decided to go with the obvious here.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Yeah, you know, it's pre free agency. It's also pre combine,
and what's gonna happen is a lot of things are
going to happen at the combine. And if you look
at history, if that first pick is traded, it's usually
within a week or so after the combine or our
team moves up. You look when the Jets move up
to get San Donold. You look at when the Bears,
you know, traded that pick for Carolina who took Ryce Shong.
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It's usually right after the combine. So if there is
legitimate news about a team wanting to trade up to
that first pick, I think, you know, and the Titans
moving down, that will come during the combine and kind
of sift through who may be interested in it. I've
mentioned the Raiders before, but I think, you know, I
just stuck with what I heard at the shrineball. Cam
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Ward's gonna be the first quarterback off the board. And
if the draft were held now, when I did this
mock draft, the Tennessee Titans were going to take would
take Cambellward with the first pick of the draft. I mean,
you know, I don't know Will Levis is their future. Yeah,
they have a lot of needs on the team. You
have a lot of areas to fill, but sometimes you
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can't draft today for what you expect to happen next year.
What we'll get our quarterback next year? Well, how do
you know you're gonna be in the top ten next year?
How do you know the quarterbacks is going to pan
out next year, So that was why I selected Ward
or I chose Ward to the Titans with the first pick.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Yeah, I say, if you like the player, don't wait
on a quarterback right to take the swing when you can,
because to your point, you don't know who's around next
year or when you're going to be picking. I'm with
you on all those things. Yet with the second overall pick,
you do not give a quarterback to Cleveland Browns, which
are also a quarterback needy team given the Shaun Watson's
injury situation.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Yeah, I mean they are, but as I mentioned, you
know again, I reported it at the from shrine Ball.
A couple of things. Number one, we're going to see
what happens with that trade with Garrett Miles. Is he traded? Know?
Does that come to fruition? What do the Browns get
in return for Garrett Miles if they if they ship
them out.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
I'm sorry, Miles Garrett said Miles.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Garrett, I'm sorry, Miles gott I apologize. Uh. And then
the next thing is is the deal I'm gonna.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Put you inside Tony's head here when we track these guys.
We said a lot of times you do last name
come a first name on R and I think that's
what bit Tony.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
There or Tony just get has brain fox, so the
you know got to give you dude, Let's let's be honest.
And I'm not even I got it written here and
I'm not even I'm not even reading here. But you know, again,
as I reported from the Shrineball, there is a concern
Dean Sanders is said all along that you know, there
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are going to be some teams that he's going to
tell don't draft my son, don't draft Travis Hunter. And
the speculation is the Cleveland Browns could be one of
those teams. Again, more will come out as we get
closer to the draft, but that was the rationale behind
this selection.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
All right, let's go pick them three for the New
York Football Giants. Tony, who do you have them picking
and what's your rationale?
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Well, shed Door Sanders, Obviously they need a quarterback. They
can't go into the season with the quarterbacks they have
on the depth chart. Now, maybe they signed somebody in
free agency, you know, Derek Carr, somebody like that, but
still you're gonna need a quarterback for the future. He's
got great upside. He does have a lot of holes
in his game that will talk about in our combine preview.
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But I mean, I think it's a it's a nice fit.
They need a guy for the future, they need a
guy who could potentially help them right away. I don't
know that Door Sanders is going to do that. And
plus go back to the you know Dion Wood, Eli
Manning would probably love to have his kid playing in
New York City, and.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
He thought on giving the Giants Travis Hunter, who you
do have going to the Patriots at number four.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
I mean, I think it would be nice, but I
think you'll be able to get a good receiver later on,
maybe good cornerback in the second round. I just think
that the quarterback position is such a glaring hole for
the Giants. I mean, they need somebody, whether it be
a veteran a rookie, to start in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Yeah, I'm with you, all right. And then the Patriots,
is this just best offensive player available to try to
give Drake May as much help as you can.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Yeah, And also they could also need help at cornerback.
I mean, as we'll talk about in a combine preview,
Travis Hunter was designated as a cornerback, but he can
do a lot of different things. And you know, you
get you want to make Drake May more successful, give
him more weapons. Also, you got to protect him. And
I just don't think Will Campbell is worthy of going
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this early in the draft.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Fair point. And by the way, Tony's mentioned a couple
of times our combine preview. Will era next Monday before
everything kicks off at the Combine. Then Tony Will and
I will be back the following week to talk about
everything that went down in Indy. All right, pick number five,
the Jacksonville Jaguars, Tony, you go with a very very
safe player in my opinion, Mason Graham, defensive tackle out
of Michigan.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Yeah, Jaguars do not want to miss on this first pick.
Now they have an offensive mind you head coach. I mean,
could it be Ted McMillan, possibly, But I think the
Jaguars have to get a safe pick in there they
can't miss. And Mason Graham is a guy that also
fills the need because they need help on the interior
defensive line, the other area, the other position that they
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could address this cornerback. But Mason Graham is significantly safer
than Will Johnson.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yeah, I'm with you, all right, then pick number six
the Las Vegas Raiders. You're not doing trades in this mock,
by the way, we should make note of that. So
no trades yet. We'll wait till we get through free
agency and all that stuff before we start having fun
with trades. Antonio and I will start doing every month
or so a mock draft with the two of us
on this show. Raiders Ted McMillan. They traded Devonte Adams
last year. They need a receiver. We'll see who the
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quarterback is, but at least you'll have somebody to throw too.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
And he's just it's phenomenal receiver. I mean, he's not
a big play receiver, but he's a lot like the
Vonte Adams and that he's natural, he's fluid, he's a
game controlling wide out. I mean, the Taypon McMillan is
really impressive. He's not just not very fast. Now, I
do think, as I've reported, that the Raiders will be
in conversation to move up to get a quarterback, because
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like the Giants, they need a signal caller for twenty
twenty five.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Absolutely, all right, let's go to the New York Jets
at number seven, and you already mentioned the player that
you have going to them, Will Johnson, the cornerback out
of Michigan.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Makes a lot of sense. DJ Reid, who's probably the Jets'
best cornerback last year. I know I'll get backlash for
that statement. He's not expected to be back. They bring
in Aaron Glenn. What position did Aaron Glenn play? Right cornerback?
And it's a position of need, so I think it's
a nice fit. Johnson does have some downside though he
played better in twenty twenty three than he did in
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twenty twenty four, but he's told and you go back
to that early film and he was a lockdown corner.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
And we'll talk about him in the Combine preview as well.
I have some questions there. Number eight, Carolina Panthers, the
first edge player off the board. You consider him an
outside linebacker as well. Jaylon Walker out of Georgia.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
I think Will Johnson would be a consideration if he's there,
but Jayalen Walker is a natural fit. And the more
i watch Jaalen Walker, and I'm pretty much done with
my sec film work, the more in love fall I
fall with this guy. I mean he's more than an
edge rusher. I mean he's a terrific edge rusher. And
when you watch him on film, he's not just a
guy who tasts wide angles. I mean he meets those
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tackles head on and he will stand those tackles up.
But he also gets tremendous steps on his past drops.
You can put him on the field on third and
six and you can either send him up the field
as a pass rusher or have him cover the tight
end in reverse play on the field. Is u is
really impressive? We'll talk about something in our Combine preview.
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The only really bad portion or or kinking his game
that I'm hearing from scouts.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
All right, let's go to pick number nine, the New
Orleans Saints. They draft the Weapon and Luther Burden wide
receiver out of Missouri.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Badly needed weapon. I mean, they need help on the
offensive line, but this team has spent so much draft
capital on the offensive line ahead of times you got.
You've got to stop the bleeding and say just go
with what you got or go a different direction. You know,
they need another weapon there to match up with chrys Olave.
Lave's had some injury concerns. Burden's a consistent receiver, he's
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a stout guy, he's got a he's got a bigger
build than chrysal Lava. So I think it's a good
compliment to their former number one pick.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Then you the Bears, Ben Johnson, the line's former OC.
Now the Bears HC coming from a program in Detroit
where they had a terrific offensive line. You have a
young quarterback. No surprise that. I'm sure they're thrilled that
Will Campbell dropped all the way to them at ten
at LSU.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Yeah, I mean, move on from Braxon Jones. This is
a new regime there. Caleb Williams had his issues last year.
You got to protect him. You want your young quarterback
to develop. You can't make another mistake as you have
in the past with some of the early first round
selections that the Bears have made at the quarterback position.
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You've got to get some protection in there for Williams.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
All right, let's go to the next selection, the forty
nine ers. They select Mikel Williams out of the University
of Georgia.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Yeah. I think with the Niners, edge is a primary concern.
I think Williams has got a lot of upside. He's
an explosive guy. He's a good fit for the system
because I like him in the fore man front. I
think it's a great pairing with Nick Bosa.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Okay, pick number twelve the Dallas Cowboys, and this is
a pick I'm sure we're going to see a lot
as the year goes along. Ashton Genty running back out
of Boise State, and this is one of those picks
Tony where I kind of mentioned earlier right as great
as Genty is and I think he's very deserving of
the selection. It's such a deep running back class. How
early do you want to pull the trigger? If you
think you can get another guy thirty picks later, that's
almost as good.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Go back to the Senior Bowl, when I reported on
Sports Skeeter that the Cowboys really want a receiver with
the early selection, I said in my mock draft that
if a top receiver a Luther Burden, I doubt a
Tech McMillan Fallstrom, that would be their pick. They would
jump over a receiver, a jump on a receiver. Now,
earlier this week, ESPN is reporting that the Cowboys would
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look to trade up to get a receiver, so I
was pretty much on the mark. But since when I'm
not dealing with trades, I think genty, who's one of
the higher rated players on my board, makes just too
much sense unless otherwise, unless there's a receiver available.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Surprising, I thought they might try to go offensive line
again with the issues that they had last year, but
they need weapons too, I think it makes sense.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Well, let me just let me just address that. I mean,
there's talk there was, and I reported this again on
Sports Skeeter from the Senior Bowl. They think that they
have talent on the offensive line, but they're just not
developing the talent. So they want to get maybe better coaching,
better offensive line coaching in there to basically develop the
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players that they're already on the depth chart.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Cooper Babe Tyler gotting a couple of those guys among
a couple other young guys at Garden Center as well.
All right, let's go next selection, pick number thirteen, Miami Dolphins.
Malachi Starks, safety out of Georgia. Third Georgia player in
the top thirteen.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Defensive tackle was a consideration here, but really Miami could
use two safeties and it's not a deep safety class.
If you want a really good one, you better get
get him early and starts as an explosive defensive back.
He's more than a safety. I mean you can play
him over the slought receiver to do a good job
for you. He's explosive against the run. So this was
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sort of where need fits, best player available. Good for
the Dolphins, all right.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Pick number fourteen the Indianapolis Colts. I think it was
a tight end Colston Lovelin out of Michigan. U surprised
maybe to some people that he's the first tigh end
off the board. That's a conversation we could certainly have
in another show. But Tony, you give Lovell and another
weapon to the coal to been drafting receivers high. It
seems like the last three seasons.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Yeah, And Malachi Starks would have been the pick here
if I had not given him to the Miami Dolphins.
And you're right, I mean it's going to be a
surprise to somebody. You look at the system, you look
at who the quarterback is. Anthony Richardson, and I think
that Loveland is more of a down to the field
threat and Tyler than Tyler Warren is. And I think
he's a better fit because he's more of a past
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catcher first, blocker second and even a downfield threat, better
intermediate threat than Warrem nothing against Warren, and I know
people's you know, heads are gonna explode, and you know,
talk about this a little bit later on. I just
think that Lovelan is a better downfield threat and a
better fit for the for their system. And I have
Lovelan and Warren rated very close together.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Yeah, totally so do I I did even though I
was off last week. I had a week off. I
did some I wanted to catch about some tapework, and
I watched both tight Ends back to back. I watched
pretty much all their targets. I watched a lot of
their run blocking in the game, in the run game,
And to me, I'm with you, I have them like,
I think, like two hundreds or something of a point
apart from each other in terms of the grading scale
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that I use, And but they're just different types of players, right,
do you want that? Darren Jeremia tweet this other day,
I was kind of annoyed and is I feel like
that's something I want to talk to you about this weekly.
I watched both tight ends where he's kind of classifying
his tight ends. Now, are you a gronk or are
you a Kelsey Colston. Lovelin's a Kelsey Tyler, Warrens a gronk. Right,
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Do you want the guy that's bigger, run after the catch,
can run through you, or do you want the guy
that's more of a fast route runner type that can
get open and you know, win on the route tree.
So I think they're both good players. It all depends
on which style of tight end you're looking for, the
move tight end or you're looking for the guy that's
the why that's gonna play in the line of scourage.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Yeah, exactly, and block as well, and Warren's a much
better blocker. I think what happens is, you know, people
see the highlights, they seem Warren, you know, at center
taking snatcher, and they fall in love with him. But again,
when you look at the fit, when you look at
the ability to break it downfield, which Loveland has shown.
And Loveland doesn't have a lot of good film from
twenty twenty four because he was injured. He had a
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shoulder issue once you had all that turnover at Michigan,
which hurt him. So if you're just watching twenty twenty four.
I can understand why people would like Tyler Warren more
than Callston Loveland, but you got to go keeper.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
And I'll say that's about Warren too. There's some like
highlight blocks on his tape where he makes some really
nice blocks. He has some whips in there too, so
he needs to get more consistent in that area in
terms of technique and things like that. But it certainly
just because of his size, he is much more upside
at that spot as a blocker. But yeah, I think
you're on the point there, Tony Falcons. They're still in
an ever never ending search for an edge rusher Tony.
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They try to find one with this pick with James
Pierce Junior out of Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
And it is kind of funny, right, I Mean, you
got teams who always he's looking for quarterbacks. You mentioned,
you know, the New Orleans Saints always selecting offensive linemen.
And I think it's going to be a defensive minded
or a defensive concentrated draft with the Falcons, and I
think they go with James Pierce, who Pierce is a
terrific athlete. I mean, he's explosive, he can rush the passer,
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he shows a variety of moves. He gets out into space,
making plays. He shows the ability in pursuit. He's got
to get bigger and he's got to get stronger. I
mean he looks like a thinner type guy. We'll see
what happens with the combine, but I think this is
a good fit for not only need, but the system
as well.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
All right, then the Cardinals, they need playmakers up front
on defense, they try to select on you. With Kenneth
Grant defensive tack out in Michigan, the fourth of Wolverine
taken in the first sixteen picks of the draft, they're
twenty five percent. That's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
No, I didn't even count, but thank you for bringing
that up. But again, I mean, another team that has
consistently drafted in the front seven took the kid from Missouri,
Darius Robinson a year ago. I think Grant is an
outstanding fit for their system. I think Mason Graham is
the safer pick. But when you look at the size,
you look at the movement skills, you look at the athleticism,
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I don't think it's far fetched to say that if
Kenneth Grant continues to improve and he hits his upside,
he could be as good, if not a better NFL
player than Mason Graham.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Ah, that's a nice preview for what we'll talk about
on the Combine Show next week, as Keneth Graham might
blow up and own a good portion of that combine
all right, Pick number seventeen, Tony Calvin Banks out of
Texas tackle guard. It depends on what scout you talk to, and.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
The Bengals need both. So they need a left tackle,
they need an offensive guard. Granted, he can't play both
positions at the same time, but he's a real good
player with a high upside. Just got to get his
game back to where it was early in the season.
You watch Calvin Banks the early portion of twenty twenty four,
he was so much better than it was later on
when he struggled with a little bit of injury. But again,
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you know, a good zone blocking offensive lineman, effective on
the move and could play or project so one of
two positions, one of the most important positions, left tackle.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Pig number eighteen a Mecca ag Buca wide receiver out
of Ohio State, first Buckeye taken off the board Tony.
They might tie or set the record for most players
drafted this year, breaking Michigan's record from last year. But
their first player doesn't go off the board until pick
numbers eighteen to the Seahawks, who already of Jackson Smith, Jigba,
another Buck Eye, and DK Metcalf, but you wanted to
give him another weapon.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Well, they may move DK all that. There's rumors that
they may move Metcalf in ufseason. We'll have to see
what happens there. I think with Abuka this is a
little bit earlier than I had on my board. Offensive
line is also in need for the Seahawks. I didn't
see any offensive lineman really worthy of being selected at
the point. At this point, I think with Abuka, you're
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getting a guy who's consistent and safe. He's not spectacular,
but he's the type of rookie who can start early
in his first year in the NFL and produce. I
don't think he'll ever be spectacular, but he's very dependable
and reliable.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
I picked them in nineteen. The Buccaneers, they're trying to
redevelop that defensive line. Joining an edge player here with
Nick Scarton out of Texas A and M Tony. He's
a guy that I'll talk to some people down at
the Senior Bowl. He did not participate there because of injury.
A lot of people thought he maybe put on some
weight going to Texas and m and I'm curious to
see what he weighs in down there in India at
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the combine and just kind of what his body looks like.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Well, not only that, but what is your weigh in
at and what his testing, because that's both that's important.
Guy puts on, you know, ten to fifteen pounds. Is
he the same athlete with the testing that he showed
on film? You know, the Buccaneers have one of those
teams that they can't seem to find the formula for
the pass rushing, big pass rusher that they need. They've
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gone and they've used a lot of early draft capital skeleton.
Is he's very athletic on film. I mean he's explosive
up the field. There are times where they play him
awful line of scrimmage on zohe blitzes and he moves
around while shows some ability and coverage or enough that
he's not a liability and coverage. So this and I
like his upside. I think Scourton is a good player
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now that can be a real good player two or
three years down the road.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Then, mean le Broncos at twenty Tony they picked Tyler
Warren tight end out of Penn State. Any thought here
to maybe giving them a running back? They were kind
of punting pecking for a running back. Do you think
it was a little bit too early for that second
back to go off the board?
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Way too early for that second back? I mean, could
they do it at Sean Payton? I mean not a
lot of people thought he was going to take bo
Nicks as early as he did last year and it
worked out for him. So yeah, could they go with
an o'marion Hampton type at this selection? Possibly because it's
Sean Payton, But they also need a tight end badly,
and I think Warren is a Sean is a Sean
Payton type of player, a lunch pale, punching him out
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type of type of tight end that can do a
lot of things.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Well, absolutely, all right, let's go to pick number two,
twenty won the Pittsburgh Steelers. They like the draft guys
up front, Tony on defense, and they get one here
in Walter Nolan.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
What do they do with the quarterback position? I think
this is an area where Jalen Milroe could potentially be selected,
but I think they need laid light the big playmakers
up front. That's what Walter Nolan is, especially on film.
He flashed it during the Senior Bowl. And there were
times during the Senior Bowl where you know he was
also stimied at the point of attack, but you get
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him playing at his best, and Walter Nolan is a
guy who can play in at three man front and
still make plays.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
All right, let's go to pick number twenty two, Josh
Connery the Chargers. I assuming they're picking him, to move
him in the guard, right, Tony, because they have two
tackles in Alton Dershawn Slater already in hand, and.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
That's exactly where I have, Matt. If you saw the
mock draft, they Josh Connelly at guard, I would have
preferred a tight end here. If one of those two
tight ends falls to the Chargers, I would have considered
a wide receiver. But listen, what is Jim Harbaugh. What
is his m His mo is our offensive lineman? He said,
offensive linemen are a weapon you make Justin Herbert a
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better quarterback by protecting him. And that's what Josh Connelly
does at guard for the Chargers.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
All right, let's go to the Packers a pick number
twenty three, Ty League Williams out of Ohio State. It's
a very Packers pick. It's just a really good, solid
football player. Probably not going to be a star, but
he's going to be a good defensive tackle.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
For you would have liked an edge rusher here, but
you look at Williams. What Williams has done throughout his
career to house date, through the season last year. You
watch him during the college football playoffs, which we talked
a lot about on this podcast. He's an athletic big man.
Going to be really interested to see how heavy heat
or high and I'll say heavy what he weighs in
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at the during the combine the workouts. You know they're
saying three twenty. But if you watch the film, he
doesn't look like a three twenty pound defensive lineman on
the field he played. He looks like he's a you know,
small less the way he moves in his achility. So
and again I think for the Packer system, this is
an excellent fit.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
All right, Let's go pick number twenty four the Vikings
Benjamin Morrison, a cornerback out of Notre Dame. We got
to find out about the medicals with him Tony at
the comment. We'll talk about that on next week's show.
But a very talented player that some people had projected
in the top twelve, top ten before the season began.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Yeah, and again the Vikings always looking for the cornerback.
Can't get that recipe right. You know you said it correctly.
I mean you go back and you watch the film
in twenty twenty two, in twenty twenty three, and Morrison
was a lockdown corner I mean you could be They've
got another budding cornerback at Notre Dame. Now you got
to look at the you gotta look at the medicals,
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the hip injury. When is your gonna be back? When
is he gonna be a hundred percent? The film was
also not that great this year. I mean, like will Johnson,
I think Morrison played hit played his better football a
year or so ago. That's also going to be something
to that's discussed.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
All right, Let's go to the Texans at twenty five.
Derek Harmon out of Orion.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
I would have liked the bigger defensive tackle. I think
Tyler Leak Williams. It would be a it would be
in the conversation here, But they do need a defensive tackle.
He's explosive, he's a playmaker, he plays with great leverage,
and I think Demiko Ryan's being a defensive minded coach
with pound the table for him.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
All right, let's go to pick number twenty six, Los
Angeles Rams. Linebacker, not an edge rusher, a linebacker. Jee
Hot Campbell out of Alabama.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Well, they have some good edge rushers there already, and
when with Sheared the first last year, you got to
kid Young from Tennessee who's a good player. So they
really need.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
A regular no, if Tony, you're right, they have a
desperate need for a linebacker. They traded mid season Ernest Jones, right,
they traded mid season this year.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
So well, former South Carolina right. And Johad Campbell is
the best off the ball linebacker in this draft. I mean,
we talk about linebackers and arrest the passler. You watch
Jehad Campbell and he's a guy who's making place sideline
to sideline in pursuit. He's the guy that can drop
in coverage. He's got some upside needs needs a little
polish on his game. But if you're looking for a
free down linebacker, who on third and six can cover
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the tight end or cover the running back. It's John
Campbell and that's what the Rams need see.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
If this even happen to the Ravens and Tony's fictitious
mock drafts, they sit at twenty seven and the guy
that could be the best left tackle in the draft
just drops to him and Josh Simmons out of Ohio State,
they're starting left tackle as a free agent. The Ravens.
We got to see if they bring him back. But
if they can get Josh Simmons at twenty seven, that
is an absolute steal.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
And with Josh Simmons, it'll depend on the medicals. I mean,
when is he going to be ready to play? Are
they going to Josh Shimmons injury happened what the middle
of the beginning, middle of October? So when is he
going to be one hundred percent? How much of training
camp is he gonna miss? Is he going to miss
any of training camp? But like you said, if Josh
Simmons had remained healthy and basically was able to play
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hesse at Oregon game and assist Ohio State through the
College Football Championship, he's probably the first I don't think
it is. He's the first offensive tackle taken and you know,
we're maybe talking about the Patriots selecting him with the
fourth selection of the draft. He was that good. But
it's not just the injury. It's the fact that not
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playing the last two months kind of stunted the development
that he had showed a year and a half prior
at Ohio State.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Ronnie Stanley, that left tackle, that's a free agency. He's
had some injury issues too, so that'll be a tough
decision for the Ravens. Let's go to the Detroit Lions
Tony and we saw when Adan Hudginson got hurt this year,
they had a tough time generating pass rush without having
the blitz a whole lot. They're trying to solve that problem.
They select Mike Green, the edge rusher, out.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Of Marshall and this is another area, you know, do
they look at their quarterback of the future, But Mike
Green was just the higher rated than any of the
quarterbacks on my board. Obviously we saw what he could
do with the singer ball. We had talked about him
on this podcast going back to September. He's an explosive
edge rusher, standing over tackle out of a three point stance.
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It's got to get a little bit stronger, it's got
to get a little bit had some a bulk to
his frame that should come once he enters an NFL
weight training program. Compared to what he was doing at Marshall, Washington.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Commanders need desperately a help on defense, specifically in the secondary.
They try to get some here in Shavon Revel out
of East Carolina, Tony. If he was healthy, he could
be a top fifteen pick. He's not. Commander's get a
potential steal here, and he was all the way back
I think in September, right, so probably better chance he's
ready to go by the start of the year.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
I think it was early October, and it was a practice.
It was an injury in practice. It was a I
believe it was a non contact injury and practice that happened.
You know, they took the kid from Mississippi State Forbes,
Malcolm Forbes, who has not worked out, and I'm not
surprised by that.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
I was never by He's not even on the roster anymore.
They could have last year.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
So yeah, you know, with Revel, he's sort of a
mini version of Josh Simmons, although he's not as far
along in his game in Josh Simmons in a sense
that he's got great measurables. When you look at him,
he showed a developing game. I was more impressed with
him the beginning part of twenty twenty four than I
wasn't too twenty twenty three. Showed the ability to make
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plays with his back to the ball. But again you've
got to look at the injury. When is he going
to be ready, and you know, not just when he's
gonna be ready health wise, when he's going to be
ready on the field. Is he going to be able
to carry that momentum that he showed during the early
portion of twenty twenty four through the twenty twenty five
NFL season and then.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Back to that corner is Johnny barn Out of Texas
Tony at number thirty to the Bills.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Carrie lomp has not panned out for him. The kid
from Florida, former for former first round pick Baron will
talk about because I know people have questions about him.
He's an opportunistic corner, needs some work on his technique,
but he is a guy that when the interception is
available or when the balls in the air. He's making
plays on the ball. Not the biggest guy in the world,
(30:46):
but a guy who just is a is a ball magnet.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
All right, Let's go to the Chiefs at thirty one.
Watch that Super Bowl. You know they need offensive line help.
Tony arianta Ursii at of Minnesota, big man, big enough
to play tackle, is just a foot speed.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
And I've said, and I said in my mock draft,
this is a pure need pick. You know, depending on
what Kelsey does, maybe tight end, they could have a
good need some help at the receiver. But you know
you got Joe Tooney left tackle. The other the kid
from BYU has not panned out that they selected the
second round last year. Wayna Moore from Oklahoma has not
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panned out. They better, you know, if you want Patrick
Mahomes to have a long career and you want to
win more championships, you better protect the quarterback. So this
was a pure need selection. And as I said, sometimes
the Chiefs are a bit unorthodox with their selection. Remember
the kid from Makansas State that they took in the
first round two years ago and he's not panned out.
So I mean it would not be surprising if the
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Chiefs went in this direction based on their history and
the need.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
And then the Eagles at thirty two they select armand
Membo out of Missouri. I'm not sure he's gonna get
this far Tony, given the dearth of tackles. But to me,
this is a real small move for Philadelphia. Right, they
haven't need a right guard mc Kaie Beckton is probably
not going to come back, and Lane Johnson's probably going
to retire in the next two years. It could be
almost like the Cam Jurgen situation. Right, you're throwing them
off the guard and then all of a sudden, Lane
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Johnson's retires, You shift him out the tackle and you're
good to go.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Yeah, And people laugh when I said Jurgens wouldn't get
past the Eagles that year in the draft, and he didn't.
And look at the dividends, and we know one thing,
Howie Roseman loves selecting offensive linemen. They do a great
job developing their offensive lineman. We'll see if Memo gets there.
I can understand why he would be selected earlier than this,
especially after those measurements at the Combine probably put a
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lot of people's minds to rest about his ability to
play tackle. The question is, you know, do you think
he can play left tackle in the NFL? Or is
he strictly a right tackle? I would be leaning towards
the ladder right tackle.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
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questions in from the fans here. Let's get two of
them and we'll do another couple of these after we
get through the combine. This one from a nineteen twenty
five for I'm sorry, at nineteen twenty five Wrecking Crew.
(33:11):
What's the top three areas of need where best player
available could be in play? This is for the New
York Football Giants, specifically at number three, Tony. And you know,
I think when you're talking about best player available for
me that early in the draft, Tony, you're talking about
one of the quarterbacks, which is probably more need than
pure grade. But then you're looking at either Abdul Carter
or you're looking at Travis Hunter. Those to many are
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the three spots where you're really making a call which
quarterback you like better? Then you have Hunter, then you
have Carter, And to me, they're a tier above the
next set of guys with you know, Mason, grand Tech,
McMillan and kind of the next set players.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
You'd like to throw offensive line in there, because the
Giants has struggled on the offensive line. But there's really
no I mean, Will Campbell is not worth the third
pick of the draft.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Yeah, I'm with you one hundred percent, all right, this
one from Big Blue Huddle. Want to know what Tony
is hearing about?
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Where?
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Where? And when he's at top five to ten? Ten's
a little tough where and when you think the top
five quarterbacks in this draft will be drafted?
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Well, just based on my I mean, obviously Kim ward
Is I would say right now ninety five percent is
going to be the first pick of the draft, whether
it's the carol whether it's the Tennessee Titans, whether it's
a team that trades up with the Titans. But I
would be shocked if he's not the first selection of
the draft. Shador Sanders, I mean, could he slide past
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the Giants? Possibly? He watched the door Sanders and we'll
talk about this as the combine. The fundamentals are not good,
but he's incredibly athletic. He's got upside and coaches are
going to try and you know, coach coach him to
his best. That's why they're football coaches. But I would
be surprised. I mean, I think it would be manna
from heaven for the Raiders if Shad Door Sanders slid
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to seven. I don't think that happens.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
So, all right, let's go to Marty Jenneire. So, Tony,
what are your opinions on the three players coming out
of Syracuse. Colum McCord, Aronde Gads in the third and
then they're running back to.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
La Quinn Allen. Thank you, right, I love two of them.
I think Laquin Allen and Ronde Gatson are just insanely underrated.
I mean la Quinn Allen he is a tough between
the tackles, downhill ball carrier, but he's also a sensational
pass catcher out of the backfield. I mean a sensational
pass catcher out of the backfield. He'd be a good
fit for the you know, the Miami Dolphins who need
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a bigger, powerful guy to you know, to work with
h On the kid from Texas A and m the
game breaker that they had that they selected a couple
of years ago. And he's also Allen is a terrific
pass catcher out of the backfield. I think he's going
to be underdrafted in the sense that he's probably an
early Day three pick who should be a Day two selection.
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Arondez Gatson. I just did my report on Rondez Gadson
and I said it wouldn't shock me if two or
three years down the road, Rondez Gatson is the best
tight end to come from this class. He's as he's
much more natural catching the ball than any of the
top the Dean Roya. He's as natural as Colston Lovelin
(36:13):
at Tyler Warren. He definitely has a speed advantage. I
mean he's the former receiver. His measurements at the Shrine
bowler what two hundred and forty seven pounds, arms that
were over thirty three inches, hands that were almost ten
inches and when we were a try and bol practice,
I mean he looked like a receiver playing the tight
end position. Now he's got to learn.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
People got his dad, He's the thing.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
He's got the blood lines right now, he's got to
learn the block. But he's two hundred and forty seven pounds,
and I go back to what I said earlier. You know,
if you put on ten to fifteen pounds, how do
you move? He looked like he was a two hundred
and thirty pounds two and twenty five pounds, you know,
oversize receiver catching the ball, which is why I think
he's going to be a Day two pick. I have
him as a second round selection, but I think in
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time wouldn't be surprised if he's the best tight end
to come from the twenty twenty five draft, if he's
developed correctly, if they coaching correctly. Kyle McCord. I spent
time with Kylin McCord at the Shrine ball. He's a
good guy. He's an honest guy. We talked about his
history of Ohio State. When you look at it from
a physical point of view, Kyle McCord ranks with the
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top quarterbacks in this draft as far as his size,
his arm strength, his ability to get the speed on throws.
The thing about Colin McCord that scares me is he
never sends his backside pressure and he's very slow to
move his head from the primary target. That was a
big problem at Ohio State, which he kind of improved
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because Ohio State he would just lock onto the primary
target and not move his head. Sometimes those things can
be coachable. I think Kyle McCord has done a great
job this year. He rebounded well after a four season
Ohio State. He rebounded well during the season. I mean,
he had that five interception game against Pittsburgh. He came back.
I think they won five of the next six games.
He's got a lot of upside. I just think he
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needs a lot of a lot of proper coaching to
get the batter aspects staring down the primary target and
not sensing the backside pressure out of the way. That
can be tough though. All Right.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
This one from Big Dogs thirteen eighteen, Tony. If you're
the Jets general manager and Tony did not get selected
out of that hiring process a couple of weeks ago, Tony,
Mike condolences to you. Will Johnson and Mason Graham are
both available at seven, along with any offensive tackle you
want in the draft. Who are you taking?
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Why I'm not taking Will Johnson there because I mean
the Jets helpfully have their left tackle of the future
Will Campbell. Well, camp I'm sorry, I'm not taking Will
Campbell because I don't know Will Campbell can play right tackle.
The Jets hopefully have their left tackle of the future
from last year's draft. I would lean towards Mason Graham,
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but I think with Aaron Glenn being a former cornerback
in the needed cornerback with the DJ Reed the leaving,
I think that they would take that, they would lean
towards Will Johnson and I you know, he says the
general manager. One of the reasons Mooie was brought in
was because he could work with UH with Aaron Glenn,
sort of what you got have going on in Houston
(39:07):
with the head coach to Meeka Ryan and Nick Saesaria
where they work together. So I don't think in New
York with the Jets anyway, it's gonna be a situation
where the general manager is basically going to have the
file say this is my guy. I don't care what
the head coach wants.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
And I think that's how I worked in Detroit too, right,
the head coach in a GM very much in Unison
there with the players they selected, which where Aaron Glenn
came from So I think that's another good way to
see how that might work. All right, This one from
at Eli manning Hof. Since the player is more apt
to be injured the more snats he plays, what's the
point of having Travis Hunter play on both offense and defense.
(39:43):
If he sits due to injury and you had him
playing both ways, don't you really lose two players as
a result. So I'll just start by saying this, He's
never going to be a full time player on both sides.
That's not gonna happen in the NFL. Zero chance of
that happening. It's impossible. Just the way meetings you're structured,
practice is structured. He can't practice both, So that's not
gonna happen. So I think full time corner, part time
wide receiver is the most likely Tony. I know you
(40:04):
might see it a little bit differently, Bubbo. You want
your best players to help your team as much as possible.
You can't run scared dude injuries.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
I think what's gonna happen is exactly what you said
will happen. But I think if he really takes off
at one position. If I'm wrong and he takes off
as a cornerback. Well, he's going to be more of
a full time cornerback than he is a receiver, and
maybe they put him in special packages at the receiver position. Likewise,
if he develops incredibly well at the receiver position, well
maybe he now is a dinback on occasion in the
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defensive backfield on certain situations.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
All right, and why football Jins fan, what are the
differences Tony for you between Jack Besh and Isaiah Hodgens.
They seem like similar players. Yeah, what I mean, Besh
is a better more of a he's a better athlete
and not as big as Hodgens. But they both have
really good hands, and they.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Both have the same sort of mentality, the same I'm
going to go get the football. You know, it doesn't
have to be a perfect pass. I'm going to go
up in a crowd and I'm going to come away
with the with the with the reception no matter what.
Sacrifice my body in a crowd or you know, take
a pounding and hold on to the football. They're also
both very smart. You know, it's not just running routes,
it's recognizing coverages, coming back to help the quarterback, following
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the quarterback across the field, which they both do well.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
All right, this one from at n Hasting one is
Abduall Carter closer to Michaeh Parsons or Caveon Thibodeau heard
some from Penn State, heard from some Penn State fans.
It's the latter, not the former.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Which Abdul Carter are we talking about? Are we talking
about the Abdul Carter in twenty twenty four? The Abdul
Carter in twenty twenty three. I could understand that opinion
that he's more cave On Phibideaux based off the twenty
twenty four film. Now, if you watch the show regularly,
which we hope you do, you go back really when
we started the season, I said, all along, I thought
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they were doing Abdull Carter, and I said, a couple
of times, a disservice they being Penn State by using
him as a defensive end, because he's so much more
than that. You go and if you just watch this year,
you can make that comparison to Keevon Thibodeaux. You go
back to twenty twenty three, where he was more of
a pure linebacker who would occasionally rush the passer, not
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coming out of a three point stance. You say, wow,
Michael Parsons, because you know, go back to what I
said about Jalen Walker during the mock draft. Can play
off the line, sideline to sideline range, can play and coverage.
We just didn't see that in twenty twenty four because
of the scheme that Penn State employed and they used
him up at the line of scrimmage, oftentimes out of
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a three point stance.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
All right, now, we got last question at Mets MAVs
nine to ten. Strange off season from Mets MAVs. They
lose Luka Doncic, but they do get all Wan Soto,
so he's had some some some good, some bad there
for Mets MAVs. DJ Daniel Jeremiah is Monk Draft a
few weeks ago had Will Johnson at fifth team, later
than Jade Baron, and his blurb said that Johnson is
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polarizing amongst NFL teams. What Tony, are you hearing regarding
Johnson and what are the chances he's not the first
cornerback taken off the board.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
Well, he had some Lady's season injuries, so you got
to check that out. Nothing major, But go back to
what I said about dual Carter, I mean Johnson's twenty
twenty three film. And I even said this when in
the mock draft. His twenty twenty three film is a
lot better than his twenty twenty four film. He watched
twenty twenty four. He was backed off the line of scrimage.
He gave up a lot of underneath receptions. I think
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what's going to happen is the general managers, coaches, et cetera.
Will talk to the college coaches. So and I know
a lot of giant fans are going to cringe when
I say this name. When they talked to Wink Martindale
to find out what was the situation with Will Johnson?
Was he just playing football? Excuse the expression, half asked,
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or was it a scheme thing where you specific had
him backed off that that far from the line of scrimmage.
That will be the determining factor.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
Tony, good times. We're gonna have our combined preview next week.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
Sounds good job.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
To Tony Pauline from sports Key to check out all
his work. I am John Schmolke. It's Draft Season presented
by Moody's. We'll see you next time. Everybody
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