September 26, 2025 • 35 mins
ESPN’s Dan Orlovsky will be on the call Monday night for Dolphins-Jets. He joins us to break down that matchup and the current state of the Dolphins. Plus, Kyle Crabbs joins for a discussion on traits vs. process at the QB position and the big matchup this weekend in the Big 10.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Drivetime with Travis wing Field. Who what is up? Dolphins?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
And welcome to the Draft Time Podcast. I am your host,
Travis Wingfield. And on this Football Friday, this Variety show
variety episode of the Draft Time Podcast, Kyle Krabs joins
me for his weekly spot. We're gonna start with the
locker room talk to some Dolphins players. Plus Dan Orlovsky,
who you can find on the call on Monday night
football for Dolphins and Jets, will join me to get
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this party started. From the Baptist Hell Studios inside the
Baptist Health Training Complex. This is the Draft Time Podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Maye Daffy.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
For this week's opponent Spotlight brought to you by GOVI
the man on the call Monday Night from Miami Gardens,
Dan Orlovsky. Dan, thank you for your time and look Dan,
like I see the drip on NFL Live, you can
throw a fit together.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
So I'm curious.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Can I get a fit check from you on these
Dolphins pitch blue uniforms we're gonna see under the primetime Yes?
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Yeah, I mean well, listen, the what you see on
TV is not me. That is my wife. If it
was up to me, I would wear sweatpants every day.
But I actually have not seen the uniforms yet. I
know that Chefty tweeted it out. I try to like
wait until I get into the next week of stuff,
till about Thursday or Friday. So the uniforms that are
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going around right now in the NFL are pretty insane.
I'm sure Monday night the Dolphins will be They'll be
looking good.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
We got the colors on the polo right here are
set is a little bit different from the usual aqua
color we have. So looking forward to a fun new
uniform for the Miami Dolphins again on Monday night.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
And Dan, it's Dolphins and Jets.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
And I think the coolest thing about the rivalry element
of the series of these uniforms, Like I grew up
a fan of the Dolphins, so Jets week to me
always means a little bit more something special. And I'm
sure you're fired up to call this game as well.
And let's just start with the initial thoughts on the
matchup of the rivalry here. What intrigues you most about
Dolphins and Jets from a game perspective and also the
rivalry Dolph Jets.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Yeah, I mean the rivalry. So I'm from Connecticut. I
grew up in Connecticut, and I didn't really have a
favorite NFL team as a kid, but obviously Jets games
were on on a constant basis. So I remember a
lot of the rivalry games and some of the you know,
the Marino battles, the fake spike all, you know, so
like I remember a lot of those. So it's a
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cool rivalry and you know, I think for both teams, uh,
it kind of comes at a good time, you know,
just being candid. You know, from the Jets perspective, you're
sitting there. It's a rebuilding, it's a restart, and you
could sit there and a lot of times this is wordplay.
There are two plays away from being two and one.
Now they're on in three. But you know, for a
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team that's rebuilding and restarting and trying to re establish
and finally do it, well, there's a lot that you
can point to and say, hey, we're closer than the
record kind of indicates, but we have to get over
that hump. And a football team that the Jets trying
trying to harken back to, you know, I would call
it the Rex Ryan era of they want to dominate
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running the football, they want to be violent and physical
and mean at the line of scrimmage. They've got a
bunch of early picks at their offensive line that have
a lot of, you know, bright and hopeful future, and
tape is really good. Their back Breese Hall is playing
for a contract. He's still wildly explosive. They've got one
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of the most complete receivers in the NFL. And Garrett
Wilson that Dolphins fans know well justin if he plays
justin fields. Week one was absolutely sensational, and then you know,
Week two was such a brief time, but he looked
really good. And then defensively, still a really talented defensive line.
But I think they're hungry. You know, at some point
it's like you're you're so close you want to get
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over that hump to start to feel good. And for
the Dolphins, you know, it comes at a good time
because you know Week one was poor, you know, and unexpectedly,
and then week two encouraged but you know, didn't make
the player too at the end, but played cleaner. And
then week three you go on the road versus one
of the best teams and you're a snapper two away
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from really kind of feeling like you're in it, and
there's a little bit of obviously urgency, there's a little
bit of desperation, there's a reality of what this league is,
and they're trying to figure out ways to get the
defense that maybe doesn't have a ton of household names
indoor stars to play cleaner and play better, and they're
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trying to get their stars on offense to play like
stars on a consistent basis. And I think that's the
challenge with where the Dolphins are.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
I think you pretty well described how this league goes
most nights. I mean, you talk about the Jets being
a couple of plays from two wins. If Devon Hien
stays and bounds against the Patriots and maybe, you know,
if we don't get a personal foul on the punt
against the Bills, maybe the Dolphins are two and one
right now. But you mentioned that game, how the Dolphins
kind of got things going there a little bit on
Thursday night against one of the best teams in the NFL,
and really going back to the second quarter of the
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Patriots game, after a slow start, the offense got going
in that game as well. I'm curious when you put
the tape on for this Dolphins offense.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
What did you.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
See in terms of them kind of turning that corner
from the first five cores of the season to the
last now seven corps where the offense is kind of cranking.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Obviously a Chan's involvement has been bigger, and the way
that they could get him the football. I think for
the most part, you know, their run game has been
improved in the last two weeks. I still don't think
it's impactful enough when it comes to Okay, we're gonna
line up in these certain situational moments and we want
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to and can run the football in between the tackles
and a little bit of a at the defense mentality.
They're still not willing in or capable of doing that enough.
But some of the creativity and the ways that they
can get certain touches reasserted itself. I would tell you
in relation to Tua, and I think everyone knows how
highly I think of Tua, how much I've championed Tua.
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I saw in the last two weeks Tua look more
like the Tua that we know, but it's still not
there yet. For me. I still have clips where I go.
I've seen you cut that ball loose before that receiver
comes out of that break five hundred times and there
I want him back to that. That's my preference, you know.
And so I don't know if the Timmindnus become or
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is off the week one performance. I don't know if
the Timbindnus is just the reality of the pressures of
that job, you know. I don't know if the timinnus
is And this isn't every snap, but it's six or
seven and that's not who he's been, you know. You know,
it's it's this guy that saw things happening before they
happen and he would throw it into windows and I'd
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be like, oh my gosh, dude, And so you know,
I would like to see them in him get back
to that. Specifically on the offensive side, they obviously have
to get the ball more vertical down the field, you know,
and hit some of those in time shots more without
forcing the football. So there's there's good it's been improved
in the two weeks. I think you have to continue
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to build off that.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Yeah, I want to follow up there, Dan, because we
have a unique perspective here with a guy that did
this at the same level as Tua for a long
time playing NFL quarterback, and you know, you were one
of the first guys back into his rocky year where
I'd watched those clips you put on Twitter and it
was like, look at the anticipation before the guy even
sinks his hips into the route, the balls on him
coming out of the break, and it's like, you can't
defend that when it's on, you know, when it's on
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point the way it has been for so long for Tua.
But yeah, I see the same things where it's like
it's the first down stuff maybe isn't quite there the
way it was, and then you have this creativity on
third down against the Bills to extend those drives and
be really good on third down ten for fifteen in
that game. So I guess the question I'll ask you, Dan,
is you know, if someone that's seen the feel from
that perspective, like, how challenging is it to have that
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element of your game where you see things with that
anticipation and then if maybe it kind of not to
say that you lose it, but it regresses a little bit,
like what's the mindset in terms of trying to get
back to that place?
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Yeah, I mean to it does it as at a
level that is very unique in the NFL, and that's
a superpower. Yeah, so I think that, you know, the
challenge of it is when you think you're doing it
the same way that you used to do it, yet
the result is different, you start to question how you're
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doing it, and you know, again there's just this reality
of winning in that league is it's it's like the
only thing that matters, right, and we all know that,
and that can kind of skew how you go about
things at times. And you know, when you have a
week one it's like, oh, don't don't turn the ball over.
And you know that doesn't hurt our team. Okay, don't
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turn the ball over. But who has never played with
the with the the mindset of don't turn the ball over?
You just you just there's no way. You watch him
play and you're like, man, he's scared to throw it
because he throws the ball so soon. And so I
just think it's you know, I used to have coaches
one of the things that stood with me, and obviously
two is four thousand times better than ever was. But
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you got to see it, trust it and rip it,
and you know he's got this fifteen years of visual repetition,
you know where just trust yourself and trust your eyes,
and trust Mike as the play caller. And I think
just getting back to that confident belief in what you're
seeing is real and what Mike's calling you can trust
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and having a couple of those go down early will
be a big deal.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
I think that's what Dolphins fans can be looking forward
to for the next fourteen games here starting on Monday
night when Dolphins and Jets tied up for ESPN's kickoff
at seven fifteen, and Dan going back to that Buffalo
game once again. You know, the narrative throughout the game
on the broadcast, you know I saw on media coverage
after the game was how the Dolphins didn't quit in
a spot that some folks thought maybe they would, and
fought all the way to end of the game. I'm
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curious how you think that resolved that they showed could
benefit them not just on Monday night but for the
rest of the twenty twenty five season. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Huge, you know, but they got to win. Huge because
as a as an ex player, and when you constant
certantly hear the coach during the chaos and the circus
and the struggles and the lows and the noise and
all that. You hear a coach preach, preach, preach, preach, preaching,
and you're okay, because we are as athletes trained and
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we're products of our environment and creatures of habit. You
continue to do those things but not getting the result.
Eventually you start to do it less and want to
do it less and less and less where the right
wrong or different. And so I think it's huge, I do,
but it's got to payoff for this team. And this really,
like this next five weeks is huge, you know, because
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we're doing our production call for the game and it's like, well,
where's the silver lining, the hope and whatnot. It's like
your next five weeks because you sit there and go,
they all feel winnable, you know, they do, you know,
if you play good football. Obviously, I think the Chargers
in there and that's a big challenge or a big task,
but you know there's some teams that you sit there
and go, if they play their best, you can beat
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them type of thing. And so I think that's that's
a really big deal. And you know, I'm surprised with
where they are. Honestly, you know, we had them two
years ago for a couple of times, and every time
you walk away from conversations with Mike and Tua and
just a team, you're like, man, this feels good. This
feels right, This feels like they're doing it the right way.
And you know it's it's obviously been a struggle since
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the last time we were down there, and you know
that's surprising. But I'm certainly hoping we get a great
one Monday Night, and for their sake, they can turn
things around.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Yeah, styles make fights, and I think these two teams
have fun contrasting styles in so many ways that can
make for a fun game on Monday Night. And to
kind of go back to that Dan and get back
to the matchups of this game specifically, we appreciate the
broad picture view, but let's go ahead and dial Rgue
here more on the micro. One of my favorite things
you do, Dan, again is when you get up on
that big board NFL Live, you give us the tape
and you break things down in a way that, again
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from that quarterbacks perspective, is very helpful for fans to
learn the game. So when you plug in the Dolphins
and Jets tape this week, what are some of the
matchups do you think could help decide this game? Something
that you're excited to watch it kind of take us
through what the tape has shown you, Dolphins and judges.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Yeah, so the Dolphins offensively, I think that you can
attack this secondary down the field and specifically in the
middle of the field. I think that there are some
people matchup wise that the Dolphins good and can take
advantage of in the secondary. I'd also say that if
you just watch the Jets tape defensively and you give
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them some different looks, you're gonna get opportunities for blown coverage.
It's happened all three weeks, multiple times each game. And
so for an offense with McDaniel that has had success
with different formations and motions, and I think, you know,
we haven't seen as much for Miami's offense some of
the the wide receiver motions that have been a little
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bit of their trademark in the past. We've seen a
little bit more like the fullback motion or an a chant.
I think utilizing some of the unique maybe last second
wide receiver motions to change of formation or numbers is
going to be a huge deal on Monday Night, and
that can lead to some big plays. But I you know,
naturally everyone goes you got to run the football against
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this front because past I would throw the ball if
I was Miami and trust that this past game is
going to have a lot of success. Saft Guard a
very good player. I don't think you can you should
shy away from him. I think that you can compete
against him, and specifically in short areas faces. I think
defensively for the Dolphins, it's going to be a game
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where one the physical commitment from your front seven has
got to be a big deal. The Jets are a
physical unit. I'm going to live in the world no
information justin Fields is playing. They are going to do
a lot of creative stuff in the quarterback run game.
They've taken a little bit of the Bills, They've taken
a little bit of the Cardinals. They've taken a little
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bit of the Baltimore Ravens and utilize some of the
quarterback run sometimes the RPO attached to it. So the
discipline and how they want to handle the quarterback run
is big. The second thing is he got to tackle
Justin incredibly well. That's something the Steelers struggled with. And
then I'd also say I think one of the things
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that's really hurt Miami defensively is just leveraging the run.
And that's all eleven. It's not necessarily gap sound like
I got the guard the area between the gard and
the center. It's like that linebacker keeping leverage, that safety
support keeping leverage. The ball's got outside way too much
because they've collapsed in the wrong area or the wrong way.
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And you know, if I'm the Jets, I'm gonna I'm
gonna challenge that. I'm gonna see if you fix that.
And so I think those from Miami's perspective, those are
things that are gonna be a big deal.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Yeah, to your point with Justin Fields, last time the
Dolphins saw him was in Chicago when he ran for
one hundred and seventy eight yards, a career high, and
there was a funny moment on the sideline with he
and Mike McDaniel where Mike said something to him. They
asked him about the press conference the next day and
he's like, I told him to stop, like stop running
on us like that. So that was that was a
big Dolphins went back then. Hopefully his re beats itself
here with the Dolphins A getting the w. I'll close
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with this Dan, and we do this every week on
the opponent Spotlight series. The Dolphins can win this game
if and then you can fill in the blink.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Yeah, I think the Dolphins could win this game if
on early downs they're aggressive throw in the football. I
think this is a This is a game that on
first down, it's getting back to your play action roots,
which they have not displayed this year early first and
second down. Be aggressing, aggressive, throwing the football, challenging this
secondary down the field, using some motion to gain some advantage.
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And then also they've got to tackle incredibly well and
not have poor leverage on the football defensively. And then
you got to govern Garrett Wilson. If Garrett, if Garrett
is a big game that's hurting you, you have to
make in the past game somebody other than Garrett and
this Jets offense have a big night in the air.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
He is Dan or Alaska.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
You can catch him on NFL Live weekdays at four
pm on ESPN. He's at Danielsky seven on Twitter, and
of course he'll be alongside Chris Fowler, Lewis Riddick and
Peter Schrager on the call Monday night at seven fifteen
here in Miami Gardens on ESPN.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Dan, thank you for your time. We really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
But thank you, and away he goes, and away we
go for our first break.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Right there.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
We'll come back on the other side. Stop by the
locker room, talk to some players. That's next Draft Time Podcast,
brought to you by Auto Nation. Hey, Kyle, who's the
American League MVP.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Cal Rawley?
Speaker 1 (16:28):
You're darn righty is.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
We're gonna find out pretty soon if you don't know
by now. That's my guest, Kyle Krabs locked on Dolphins Podcast.
He wasn't trained to say that. I didn't make him
say that, so I appreciate you saying it the way
you did, Kyle. And I want to start here talking
about some real football, some Dolphins, some actual stuff that
people come to the show for. And you did a
great segment on your show talking about the concept of
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the quarterback and how many hits he takes and how
the offense is tailored in a certain way to protect
the quarterback from taking hits because of his injury history.
And I just kind of want to give you the
floor to detail that for us here and promote your
show and all the great work you do there at
Lockdown Dolphins.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Yeah, so I think it's in the midst of struggles
and looking for the offense to evolve from what it
was initially when it was so successful. When Mike McDaniel
comes in and puts in a new offense and you
get the wide receivers, and I think with anything, there's
a process that's involved in trying to find what else
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you can do to build upon and successfully build upon
with consistency, what that those core principles were.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
And I think for Miami it's.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
A tale of how you've chosen to go about capitalizing
on the player strengths with different kinds of scheme throws
and play action and screen passes and the time to throw.
And I know Dolphins fans sit on all kinds of
defense with the offensive lines role in that and the
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coaching role in that, and the player the quarterback role
in that. But when you boil it down. Since the
start of the twenty twenty two season, to a tongue
of Alwa has been hit on fewer dropbacks per game
that he's played and than any other quarterback in football.
It's three point two to three hits on dropbacks per
game since the start of the might meet Daniel to
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a tongue of low era. You can trast that to
names like Joe Burrow, who's over six and three quarters
hits per game. Russell Wilson cam Ward, the number one
pick this year, is averaging ten hits on dropbacks per
game through three games. That's dead last amongst qualifying quarterbacks
in this sample size. So there's give and take with everything.
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And just like I think Cincinnati catches criticism for maybe
not doing anything to protect Joe Burrow from hits, I
think the other side of the coin, where Miami is
at with some of their struggles is well, what they've
done to protect to a tongue of lo Lowa from
extra wear and tearror extra hits because of some of
the durability questions that exist there now. I think what's
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interesting with that is this year, all of those bumpers
are down. The time to throw is up about a
third of a second per passe atten. The screen rate
is down six percent from twenty percent to fourteen and
a half percent from twenty twenty four to twenty twenty five.
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The play action rate is significantly down, so we're keeping
our eyes on the defense longer, we're not trying to
get as much displacement with run action. And maybe some
of that's the game scripts that the Dolphins have played,
but I just think it's very interesting in this search
for where the disconnect is. No, the narratives that you'll
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hear have never been less applicable to what the Dolphins
are doing than right now. And I think that's what
makes kind of working through what's going on pretty challenging
through three.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Games to pinpoint what it is right because right we
I mean, when you when you first start talking, you know,
in that in that vein, my first thought is, well,
this is an offense that already is limited by limitations
at the quarterback position.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
And we've talked about this.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
I mean at length, my audience knows that your audience
knows it. As long as the offense was on time
and in rhythm and you know, dealing what they're anything
with the points in the yardage tolls.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Who cares?
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Who cares about the quarterback not running, the quarterback not
being able to you know, thread a tight window in
the honey hole against Cover two, like it didn't matter
because you found success in that way. But it makes
me think about, like, you know, this concept of you
are limited in the areas you can throw the football to,
you're limited in terms of you know, creating out of
structure of a play, and now all of a sudden,
on top of that, you're limited to the concept of
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we can't let the quarterback get hit. Like it's a
lot of restrictions to put on an offense, but that's
not how it's played out. That's the whole point of
your your piece, right, is that that's the narrative being displayed,
But that's not It's gone the opposite direction. And I
guess it sounds like you're kind of asking the same thing,
like what the hell's going on? Like why like why
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is it struggling like this?
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Yeah, I think it's it's that's the challenge for me is,
you know, those talking points were very applicable in twenty
twenty four when to an average two point two eight
hits on dropbacks. That was the lowest of the four
year sample size that we're talking about, and the screen
rate was way up right, it was twenty percent.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
And some of that's.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
Skewed by replacing the run game because the Dolphins struggled
to run the football last year in the back half
of twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
And you can see the ability to run the ball.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
In twenty twenty five as the Dolphins put on display
against Buffalo, and I'm really excited to see that opportunity
against the Jets in Week four. But I don't think
the low hanging fruit explanations that are very quick to
be pointed to, they're not up to speed with what
the most recent data set is telling us. And that's
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that's where I find it so compelling, even though it's
also frustrating because you were hoping this would be the case.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
That's that's the NFL, right is you're trying to use
history to teach yourself about the future, but it changes
so fast and evolved so fast that you find you
wind up chasing your tell sometimes. So I think, you know,
fourteen more games of evidence will help us to uncover
a lot in what this team needs going forward. And
maybe one of those things is these physical marvels at quarterback.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
And I think you know who did I hear this from?
Speaker 2 (22:34):
I've been the heat the Call podcast was talking about like,
be careful what you wish for because on the other
side of a fun loving coach, you know, for fans
that want to move in a certain direction right away,
is this militant, dictator type of personality which is what
we came off of to get to this particular point
in time with the head coaching personality, and at quarterback,
I feel like that's gonna be the the the ire
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of Dolphins fans.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
The apple of their eye.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Is this, you know or a seller type of quarterback
that's a big, physical runner who can push the ball
down the field and make those those fun you know,
throws deep in the six hole, the shortstop position, back
across the body for explosive off structure plays. And what
I want to ask you, Kyle, is we have a
crop of guys right now in the college game that
I'm excited about how they come out and pour one
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out for Jometier. Last time we talked, we were all
excited about hammiy Brokers.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
He might only miss a few games, like we might.
I'm not closing the book on that one.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Do you think it impacts his decision to come out
this year?
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Though?
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Like that, That's what I'm going about.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
It depends the way the college football structure is now,
like if they made a college football playoff run, you
probably if he only missed two games, you might end
up playing more games than you playing a regular college
football season anyway.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
And he gets four games against top level opponents on
prime time spotlights, like.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
Right, So yeah, I think it depends on how their
season plays out, for sure. I know that the the
rivalry game against Texas is the big one that's up
in the air, but they've got a bye week that
involved in this well, and then it's I think it's
Kent State is the first.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Game that he misses.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
So even if he misses ken Kent State and like
you know, best case scenarios back for Texas. But even
if he's back for Ole Miss and plays the rest
of the games and then they make the playoff, like,
I think the sample size would still be sturdy enough
where if he's hot, then depending on what other quarterbacks
decide to do, it might be a right decision for
him to come out.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
I think Kent State won their first football game on
like twenty four tries recently this year, so maybe that's
a game that he can afford to mess. We're not
gonna get a lot of information from that anyways. But
you know, fans of the show know that that's that's
my guy. I think the dog mentality, the way he
plays the game. Completed his last eleven passes against Auburn
with a broken hand on the throwing hand too, So
I'm excited about his game. But he's not one of
these you know, six foot five, two hundred and twenty
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five pound players that you know is going to rumble,
you know, and take hits and not you know, be
affected by them. But there are some guys that maybe
do have that in their in their capabilities, and we
know about Leonora Sellers. I'm sure Dante Moore against Drew
Aller this week, right, we're going to talk about that
a little bit. I just want to get your take
on where you are in the quarterback landscape in terms
of traits versus playing the position. We talked about Garrett
(25:08):
Nusmyer a couple weeks ago, and I find myself kind
of drifting more towards like trades and coach them up.
But you can't just like you can't just coach a
player up to see the field like you either have
it or you don't in a lot of ways, and
you can gain experience that way. I want to get
your take on that, but also among this class, because
I haven't sat down.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
And watched the tape just yet.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
I've gotten them a jo mateer because that's my guy
right now, But I don't really have a feel for
which of these high traits guys have exhibited enough for
you that you think that they can get to that
place where they can take a Josh Allen trajectory right
where they're all traits and they become this elite passor
which was kind of a unicorn example of that versus
the Anthony Richardson who has all this stuff and I
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thought showed some stuff in college in terms of the
processing and reading the field out, but it didn't ever
come that way for him. So take me through your
thought process on everything I just said, which was a lot.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
Yeah, so appreciate you setting me up for success. But
the irony here is I think setting your a young
quarterback up for success is such a big piece of
the puzzle. And that's where you look at recent track
record with teams that have drafted toolsy guys that have
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high ceilings, and you ask yourself what their situation look
like and if it's successful you say, well, they had
a good environment around them, and if it's not successful.
There's two that come to mind, in particular, it's Trey
Lance in San Francisco and it's Anthony Richardson. Where those
environments with skilled players that existed, with running games that
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were there, with coaching staffs that had track records of
having success. You then look and say, okay, well, what's
the common threads between tools guys that go to good
situations and don't work out, And it's reps. It's the
lack of reps because once you get to the NFL
level and if that leap happens and you're under repped,
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you're gonna be chasing reps for the rest of your career.
And you got to hope that you fail forward enough
and get enough reps on the field to do it
that you can eventually catch up and then the rep
discrepancy by year, four year, five year, six maybe closes.
But the challenge with that rookie contracts are four years
and a fifth year option, and team's got to make
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a decision on your fifth year option by the end
of your third year.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
So as you're chasing reps, the.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
Team timeline is not in line with your own personal timeline,
and I think that's where for tools guys. For me,
I need to at least feel like I know what
you are as compared to the high variance of Trey
Lance and one year of starts at FCS North Dakota
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State or Anthony Richardson And was it ten to eleven
starts for Anthony Richardson? Like that, it's just not enough
volume to have you prepare.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Now.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
You can have things that you need to get better
at and still be a raw player if you're a
high tools player. But the red flags for me is
those guys that are grossly underrepped, because that creates the
variance that you're chasing throughout the entire window in which
the most attractive thing about a quarterback on a rookie
contract is the finances are exponentially less. So that that's
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I think what you have to reconcile.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Do you.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Those reps can only occur in live game action, right?
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Yeah? I think so.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
And there's some guys that it would Behoove and I
think Jordan Love's maybe an example that although Jordan Love
had more reps than either two guys that were talking
about in Green Bay where he sat for the amount
of time that he did the three years. But who
has that kind of luxury and stability, right there are
probably three organizations in the league that that say we're
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going to draft a guy and intended to sit in
one year, let alone three years.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
And those teams, those teams already have Hall of Fame quarterbacks.
That's why they're there.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
Right, and they're being opportunistic win opportunity knocks to draft
the player who falls into their lap, and that's that's
how that process works. That's how Baltimore ends up for
Lamar Jackson. That's how the Packers get out in front
of the Aaron Rodgers transition and Jordan Love falls into
the twenties and they get them. There's a very situation
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specific thing that some teams, with their situations, they have
the foresight and they draft annually and keep their ponds
well stocked so that they can take a swing like
that when it knocks for an opportunity.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Let's pause for a break right there, come back on
the other side and finish up with Kyle Krabs Drivetime
Podcast brought to you by AutoNation. I love I love
the discussion and the reason I asked that specific question
is because you know, John mat here is in his
second year as a starter, one at Washington State, one
in Oklahoma, but he also ran two years of like
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in game snaps as a wildcat quarterback at Washington State
behind cam Ward. So I'm wondering, like how much of
that applies to like seeing live game reps where he's
not he's taking the snap when he's you know, putting
the ball under his arm and run and down field.
So it's not really playing in the quarterback position, but
I do think it's it's you know, valuable time to
get out on the field at least in some capacity.
And the reason I ask you this question, Kyle, is
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to kind of get us into our topic we usually
have with you here, which is the weekend in college football,
and I know you're gonna want to talk about this
Penn State organ matchup coming up. I thought for a
second going down the schedule, that was gonna be the
only game we look at here, But there is Alabama Georgia,
So I guess in those two games, and particularly looking
at Drew Alller from Penn State and Dante Moore from Moregan,
you got me on the Dante more bandwagon last week
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and I watched that game against Oregon State, and man,
he like he's like a freaking drone missile attack.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Man, he can put the ball where he wants.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
I had a teacher my senior year, my government teacher
my senior year, would talk about how the US government
can put can hit your desk, not just the classroom,
the high school. He can they can hit your desk
with a shot from space. Right, That's why is how
I felt watching Dante Moore throw the football against Oregon State.
And then I know you're a big Drew Aller fan,
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but like that's more traits than polished at this point
with him, Right.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
Yeah, I think that that's for Drew. It's there's frustrating inconsistencies,
but I think you see a lot of really attractive qualities.
So Dante Moore, red shirt sophomore transfer from UCLA, very young,
but man, the the arm talent is very apparent. I
don't think he's the greatest touch thrower. I think a
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lot of things he can. What was the phrase that
I saw in my timeline this morning was firm but soft.
Just Kurt Owner said, the quarterbacks that mastered the art
of throwing firm but soft are the best passers in
the NFL. And I think that's something for for Dante,
you know, as he continues to mature, that I'll be
looking for from him.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
And and aller.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
Is is just decision making accuracy. Sometimes he sees things
a little late, and I think, you know, there's a
lot to work with there. But this this football game
is loaded with talent for this year's draft class, where
Trayvor Penya and Kyroen Hudson at wide receiver for Penn State,
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a couple of transfers in to go with Drew Shelton
at left tackle. Nolan Russie, yes related to Hayden Russie,
is the right tackle there at Penn State, to go
with two running backs and Nick Singleton and k Tron
Allen who are potential Top one hundred tight draft picks.
And then Penn State on defense has Donny Dennis, Sutton's,
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Ane Durant, Tony Rojas's eligibles, a Key Wheatley's a red
shirt senior safety. They've they've got defensive backs every year.
That's just the Penn State side of things. And that's
before you get to Oregon and Isaiah World is a
transfer tackle for them. They've got pregnant their left guard,
who's an other attractive player. Kenyan Sadig is my favorite
tight end prospect in the country, and he will tear
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your face off as a blocker, and he's really athletic
and dynamic defensively. They've got Matteo Ungalle as a name
that stands out for them, and then they have thign
Him in their safety is another really good looking draft prospects.
So you're talking all told, probably a dozen prospects in
the Organ Penn State game that like, not all of
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them might not come out, but it is a loaded,
loaded football game.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
I think the best player in the field is a
true freshman, right like I would you put to Coreyan
Moore in Jeremiah Smith and Ryan Williams territory.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
Maybe not, but but we're close.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
We'retty close.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
That was my first exposure on SATDA. I'm like, who
the hell is that guy?
Speaker 4 (33:50):
Yeah, number number one for Oregon and we are we
are in the golden age of non draft eligible wide
receiver football right now, because they I mean, there are
some aliens that could I step on an NFL field
this weekend and be really impactful players and more is
one of those guys.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Alien's right, Kyle, I'm not gonna have you go into
the Bama Georgia game because you've been so gracious with
your time today.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
We appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
He is at Kyle Krabs on Social host of the
Lockdown Dolphins podcast, locked on NFL Scouting, author of Touchdown Miami.
He also has a NFL analyst for eight is E Sports. Kyle,
you're the man, buddy. We appreciate you. I think we're
gonna have you on HQ here coming up shortly, so
keeping out for that and check out all of Kyle's
content wherever you can get it there.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Kyle, Thanks man, Thanks brother.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
We're gonna go ahead and skip the locker room round
up this week because well you just got thirty thirty
five minutes of content there with Dan and Kyle.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Pretty good stuff. Let's go ahead and get out of here.
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
And welcome to the Draft Time Podcast. I am your host,
Travis Wingfield. And on this Football Friday, this Variety show
variety episode of the Draft Time Podcast, Kyle Krabs joins
me for his weekly spot. We're gonna start with the
locker room talk to some Dolphins players. Plus Dan Orlovsky,
who you can find on the call on Monday night
football for Dolphins and Jets, will join me to get
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Baptist Health Training Complex. This is the Draft Time Podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Maye Daffy.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
For this week's opponent Spotlight brought to you by GOVI
the man on the call Monday Night from Miami Gardens,
Dan Orlovsky. Dan, thank you for your time and look Dan,
like I see the drip on NFL Live, you can
throw a fit together.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
So I'm curious.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Can I get a fit check from you on these
Dolphins pitch blue uniforms we're gonna see under the primetime Yes?
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Yeah, I mean well, listen, the what you see on
TV is not me. That is my wife. If it
was up to me, I would wear sweatpants every day.
But I actually have not seen the uniforms yet. I
know that Chefty tweeted it out. I try to like
wait until I get into the next week of stuff,
till about Thursday or Friday. So the uniforms that are
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going around right now in the NFL are pretty insane.
I'm sure Monday night the Dolphins will be They'll be
looking good.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
We got the colors on the polo right here are
set is a little bit different from the usual aqua
color we have. So looking forward to a fun new
uniform for the Miami Dolphins again on Monday night.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
And Dan, it's Dolphins and Jets.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
And I think the coolest thing about the rivalry element
of the series of these uniforms, Like I grew up
a fan of the Dolphins, so Jets week to me
always means a little bit more something special. And I'm
sure you're fired up to call this game as well.
And let's just start with the initial thoughts on the
matchup of the rivalry here. What intrigues you most about
Dolphins and Jets from a game perspective and also the
rivalry Dolph Jets.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Yeah, I mean the rivalry. So I'm from Connecticut. I
grew up in Connecticut, and I didn't really have a
favorite NFL team as a kid, but obviously Jets games
were on on a constant basis. So I remember a
lot of the rivalry games and some of the you know,
the Marino battles, the fake spike all, you know, so
like I remember a lot of those. So it's a
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cool rivalry and you know, I think for both teams, uh,
it kind of comes at a good time, you know,
just being candid. You know, from the Jets perspective, you're
sitting there. It's a rebuilding, it's a restart, and you
could sit there and a lot of times this is wordplay.
There are two plays away from being two and one.
Now they're on in three. But you know, for a
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team that's rebuilding and restarting and trying to re establish
and finally do it, well, there's a lot that you
can point to and say, hey, we're closer than the
record kind of indicates, but we have to get over
that hump. And a football team that the Jets trying
trying to harken back to, you know, I would call
it the Rex Ryan era of they want to dominate
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running the football, they want to be violent and physical
and mean at the line of scrimmage. They've got a
bunch of early picks at their offensive line that have
a lot of, you know, bright and hopeful future, and
tape is really good. Their back Breese Hall is playing
for a contract. He's still wildly explosive. They've got one
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of the most complete receivers in the NFL. And Garrett
Wilson that Dolphins fans know well justin if he plays
justin fields. Week one was absolutely sensational, and then you know,
Week two was such a brief time, but he looked
really good. And then defensively, still a really talented defensive line.
But I think they're hungry. You know, at some point
it's like you're you're so close you want to get
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over that hump to start to feel good. And for
the Dolphins, you know, it comes at a good time
because you know Week one was poor, you know, and unexpectedly,
and then week two encouraged but you know, didn't make
the player too at the end, but played cleaner. And
then week three you go on the road versus one
of the best teams and you're a snapper two away
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from really kind of feeling like you're in it, and
there's a little bit of obviously urgency, there's a little
bit of desperation, there's a reality of what this league is,
and they're trying to figure out ways to get the
defense that maybe doesn't have a ton of household names
indoor stars to play cleaner and play better, and they're
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trying to get their stars on offense to play like
stars on a consistent basis. And I think that's the
challenge with where the Dolphins are.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
I think you pretty well described how this league goes
most nights. I mean, you talk about the Jets being
a couple of plays from two wins. If Devon Hien
stays and bounds against the Patriots and maybe, you know,
if we don't get a personal foul on the punt
against the Bills, maybe the Dolphins are two and one
right now. But you mentioned that game, how the Dolphins
kind of got things going there a little bit on
Thursday night against one of the best teams in the NFL,
and really going back to the second quarter of the
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Patriots game, after a slow start, the offense got going
in that game as well. I'm curious when you put
the tape on for this Dolphins offense.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
What did you.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
See in terms of them kind of turning that corner
from the first five cores of the season to the
last now seven corps where the offense is kind of cranking.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Obviously a Chan's involvement has been bigger, and the way
that they could get him the football. I think for
the most part, you know, their run game has been
improved in the last two weeks. I still don't think
it's impactful enough when it comes to Okay, we're gonna
line up in these certain situational moments and we want
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to and can run the football in between the tackles
and a little bit of a at the defense mentality.
They're still not willing in or capable of doing that enough.
But some of the creativity and the ways that they
can get certain touches reasserted itself. I would tell you
in relation to Tua, and I think everyone knows how
highly I think of Tua, how much I've championed Tua.
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I saw in the last two weeks Tua look more
like the Tua that we know, but it's still not
there yet. For me. I still have clips where I go.
I've seen you cut that ball loose before that receiver
comes out of that break five hundred times and there
I want him back to that. That's my preference, you know.
And so I don't know if the Timmindnus become or
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is off the week one performance. I don't know if
the Timbindnus is just the reality of the pressures of
that job, you know. I don't know if the timinnus
is And this isn't every snap, but it's six or
seven and that's not who he's been, you know. You know,
it's it's this guy that saw things happening before they
happen and he would throw it into windows and I'd
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be like, oh my gosh, dude, And so you know,
I would like to see them in him get back
to that. Specifically on the offensive side, they obviously have
to get the ball more vertical down the field, you know,
and hit some of those in time shots more without
forcing the football. So there's there's good it's been improved
in the two weeks. I think you have to continue
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to build off that.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Yeah, I want to follow up there, Dan, because we
have a unique perspective here with a guy that did
this at the same level as Tua for a long
time playing NFL quarterback, and you know, you were one
of the first guys back into his rocky year where
I'd watched those clips you put on Twitter and it
was like, look at the anticipation before the guy even
sinks his hips into the route, the balls on him
coming out of the break, and it's like, you can't
defend that when it's on, you know, when it's on
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point the way it has been for so long for Tua.
But yeah, I see the same things where it's like
it's the first down stuff maybe isn't quite there the
way it was, and then you have this creativity on
third down against the Bills to extend those drives and
be really good on third down ten for fifteen in
that game. So I guess the question I'll ask you, Dan,
is you know, if someone that's seen the feel from
that perspective, like, how challenging is it to have that
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element of your game where you see things with that
anticipation and then if maybe it kind of not to
say that you lose it, but it regresses a little bit,
like what's the mindset in terms of trying to get
back to that place?
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Yeah, I mean to it does it as at a
level that is very unique in the NFL, and that's
a superpower. Yeah, so I think that, you know, the
challenge of it is when you think you're doing it
the same way that you used to do it, yet
the result is different, you start to question how you're
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doing it, and you know, again there's just this reality
of winning in that league is it's it's like the
only thing that matters, right, and we all know that,
and that can kind of skew how you go about
things at times. And you know, when you have a
week one it's like, oh, don't don't turn the ball over.
And you know that doesn't hurt our team. Okay, don't
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turn the ball over. But who has never played with
the with the the mindset of don't turn the ball over?
You just you just there's no way. You watch him
play and you're like, man, he's scared to throw it
because he throws the ball so soon. And so I
just think it's you know, I used to have coaches
one of the things that stood with me, and obviously
two is four thousand times better than ever was. But
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you got to see it, trust it and rip it,
and you know he's got this fifteen years of visual repetition,
you know where just trust yourself and trust your eyes,
and trust Mike as the play caller. And I think
just getting back to that confident belief in what you're
seeing is real and what Mike's calling you can trust
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and having a couple of those go down early will
be a big deal.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
I think that's what Dolphins fans can be looking forward
to for the next fourteen games here starting on Monday
night when Dolphins and Jets tied up for ESPN's kickoff
at seven fifteen, and Dan going back to that Buffalo
game once again. You know, the narrative throughout the game
on the broadcast, you know I saw on media coverage
after the game was how the Dolphins didn't quit in
a spot that some folks thought maybe they would, and
fought all the way to end of the game. I'm
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curious how you think that resolved that they showed could
benefit them not just on Monday night but for the
rest of the twenty twenty five season. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Huge, you know, but they got to win. Huge because
as a as an ex player, and when you constant
certantly hear the coach during the chaos and the circus
and the struggles and the lows and the noise and
all that. You hear a coach preach, preach, preach, preach, preaching,
and you're okay, because we are as athletes trained and
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we're products of our environment and creatures of habit. You
continue to do those things but not getting the result.
Eventually you start to do it less and want to
do it less and less and less where the right
wrong or different. And so I think it's huge, I do,
but it's got to payoff for this team. And this really,
like this next five weeks is huge, you know, because
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we're doing our production call for the game and it's like, well,
where's the silver lining, the hope and whatnot. It's like
your next five weeks because you sit there and go,
they all feel winnable, you know, they do, you know,
if you play good football. Obviously, I think the Chargers
in there and that's a big challenge or a big task,
but you know there's some teams that you sit there
and go, if they play their best, you can beat
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them type of thing. And so I think that's that's
a really big deal. And you know, I'm surprised with
where they are. Honestly, you know, we had them two
years ago for a couple of times, and every time
you walk away from conversations with Mike and Tua and
just a team, you're like, man, this feels good. This
feels right, This feels like they're doing it the right way.
And you know it's it's obviously been a struggle since
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the last time we were down there, and you know
that's surprising. But I'm certainly hoping we get a great
one Monday Night, and for their sake, they can turn
things around.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Yeah, styles make fights, and I think these two teams
have fun contrasting styles in so many ways that can
make for a fun game on Monday Night. And to
kind of go back to that Dan and get back
to the matchups of this game specifically, we appreciate the
broad picture view, but let's go ahead and dial Rgue
here more on the micro. One of my favorite things
you do, Dan, again is when you get up on
that big board NFL Live, you give us the tape
and you break things down in a way that, again
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from that quarterbacks perspective, is very helpful for fans to
learn the game. So when you plug in the Dolphins
and Jets tape this week, what are some of the
matchups do you think could help decide this game? Something
that you're excited to watch it kind of take us
through what the tape has shown you, Dolphins and judges.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Yeah, so the Dolphins offensively, I think that you can
attack this secondary down the field and specifically in the
middle of the field. I think that there are some
people matchup wise that the Dolphins good and can take
advantage of in the secondary. I'd also say that if
you just watch the Jets tape defensively and you give
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them some different looks, you're gonna get opportunities for blown coverage.
It's happened all three weeks, multiple times each game. And
so for an offense with McDaniel that has had success
with different formations and motions, and I think, you know,
we haven't seen as much for Miami's offense some of
the the wide receiver motions that have been a little
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bit of their trademark in the past. We've seen a
little bit more like the fullback motion or an a chant.
I think utilizing some of the unique maybe last second
wide receiver motions to change of formation or numbers is
going to be a huge deal on Monday Night, and
that can lead to some big plays. But I you know,
naturally everyone goes you got to run the football against
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this front because past I would throw the ball if
I was Miami and trust that this past game is
going to have a lot of success. Saft Guard a
very good player. I don't think you can you should
shy away from him. I think that you can compete
against him, and specifically in short areas faces. I think
defensively for the Dolphins, it's going to be a game
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where one the physical commitment from your front seven has
got to be a big deal. The Jets are a
physical unit. I'm going to live in the world no
information justin Fields is playing. They are going to do
a lot of creative stuff in the quarterback run game.
They've taken a little bit of the Bills, They've taken
a little bit of the Cardinals. They've taken a little
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bit of the Baltimore Ravens and utilize some of the
quarterback run sometimes the RPO attached to it. So the
discipline and how they want to handle the quarterback run
is big. The second thing is he got to tackle
Justin incredibly well. That's something the Steelers struggled with. And
then I'd also say I think one of the things
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that's really hurt Miami defensively is just leveraging the run.
And that's all eleven. It's not necessarily gap sound like
I got the guard the area between the gard and
the center. It's like that linebacker keeping leverage, that safety
support keeping leverage. The ball's got outside way too much
because they've collapsed in the wrong area or the wrong way.
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And you know, if I'm the Jets, I'm gonna I'm
gonna challenge that. I'm gonna see if you fix that.
And so I think those from Miami's perspective, those are
things that are gonna be a big deal.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Yeah, to your point with Justin Fields, last time the
Dolphins saw him was in Chicago when he ran for
one hundred and seventy eight yards, a career high, and
there was a funny moment on the sideline with he
and Mike McDaniel where Mike said something to him. They
asked him about the press conference the next day and
he's like, I told him to stop, like stop running
on us like that. So that was that was a
big Dolphins went back then. Hopefully his re beats itself
here with the Dolphins A getting the w. I'll close
(15:03):
with this Dan, and we do this every week on
the opponent Spotlight series. The Dolphins can win this game
if and then you can fill in the blink.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Yeah, I think the Dolphins could win this game if
on early downs they're aggressive throw in the football. I
think this is a This is a game that on
first down, it's getting back to your play action roots,
which they have not displayed this year early first and
second down. Be aggressing, aggressive, throwing the football, challenging this
secondary down the field, using some motion to gain some advantage.
(15:33):
And then also they've got to tackle incredibly well and
not have poor leverage on the football defensively. And then
you got to govern Garrett Wilson. If Garrett, if Garrett
is a big game that's hurting you, you have to
make in the past game somebody other than Garrett and
this Jets offense have a big night in the air.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
He is Dan or Alaska.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
You can catch him on NFL Live weekdays at four
pm on ESPN. He's at Danielsky seven on Twitter, and
of course he'll be alongside Chris Fowler, Lewis Riddick and
Peter Schrager on the call Monday night at seven fifteen
here in Miami Gardens on ESPN.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Dan, thank you for your time. We really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
But thank you, and away he goes, and away we
go for our first break.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Right there.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
We'll come back on the other side. Stop by the
locker room, talk to some players. That's next Draft Time Podcast,
brought to you by Auto Nation. Hey, Kyle, who's the
American League MVP.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Cal Rawley?
Speaker 1 (16:28):
You're darn righty is.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
We're gonna find out pretty soon if you don't know
by now. That's my guest, Kyle Krabs locked on Dolphins Podcast.
He wasn't trained to say that. I didn't make him
say that, so I appreciate you saying it the way
you did, Kyle. And I want to start here talking
about some real football, some Dolphins, some actual stuff that
people come to the show for. And you did a
great segment on your show talking about the concept of
(16:51):
the quarterback and how many hits he takes and how
the offense is tailored in a certain way to protect
the quarterback from taking hits because of his injury history.
And I just kind of want to give you the
floor to detail that for us here and promote your
show and all the great work you do there at
Lockdown Dolphins.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Yeah, so I think it's in the midst of struggles
and looking for the offense to evolve from what it
was initially when it was so successful. When Mike McDaniel
comes in and puts in a new offense and you
get the wide receivers, and I think with anything, there's
a process that's involved in trying to find what else
(17:25):
you can do to build upon and successfully build upon
with consistency, what that those core principles were.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
And I think for Miami it's.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
A tale of how you've chosen to go about capitalizing
on the player strengths with different kinds of scheme throws
and play action and screen passes and the time to throw.
And I know Dolphins fans sit on all kinds of
defense with the offensive lines role in that and the
(17:56):
coaching role in that, and the player the quarterback role
in that. But when you boil it down. Since the
start of the twenty twenty two season, to a tongue
of Alwa has been hit on fewer dropbacks per game
that he's played and than any other quarterback in football.
It's three point two to three hits on dropbacks per
game since the start of the might meet Daniel to
(18:18):
a tongue of low era. You can trast that to
names like Joe Burrow, who's over six and three quarters
hits per game. Russell Wilson cam Ward, the number one
pick this year, is averaging ten hits on dropbacks per
game through three games. That's dead last amongst qualifying quarterbacks
in this sample size. So there's give and take with everything.
(18:41):
And just like I think Cincinnati catches criticism for maybe
not doing anything to protect Joe Burrow from hits, I
think the other side of the coin, where Miami is
at with some of their struggles is well, what they've
done to protect to a tongue of lo Lowa from
extra wear and tearror extra hits because of some of
the durability questions that exist there now. I think what's
(19:04):
interesting with that is this year, all of those bumpers
are down. The time to throw is up about a
third of a second per passe atten. The screen rate
is down six percent from twenty percent to fourteen and
a half percent from twenty twenty four to twenty twenty five.
(19:25):
The play action rate is significantly down, so we're keeping
our eyes on the defense longer, we're not trying to
get as much displacement with run action. And maybe some
of that's the game scripts that the Dolphins have played,
but I just think it's very interesting in this search
for where the disconnect is. No, the narratives that you'll
(19:47):
hear have never been less applicable to what the Dolphins
are doing than right now. And I think that's what
makes kind of working through what's going on pretty challenging
through three.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Games to pinpoint what it is right because right we
I mean, when you when you first start talking, you know,
in that in that vein, my first thought is, well,
this is an offense that already is limited by limitations
at the quarterback position.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
And we've talked about this.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
I mean at length, my audience knows that your audience
knows it. As long as the offense was on time
and in rhythm and you know, dealing what they're anything
with the points in the yardage tolls.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Who cares?
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Who cares about the quarterback not running, the quarterback not
being able to you know, thread a tight window in
the honey hole against Cover two, like it didn't matter
because you found success in that way. But it makes
me think about, like, you know, this concept of you
are limited in the areas you can throw the football to,
you're limited in terms of you know, creating out of
structure of a play, and now all of a sudden,
on top of that, you're limited to the concept of
(20:47):
we can't let the quarterback get hit. Like it's a
lot of restrictions to put on an offense, but that's
not how it's played out. That's the whole point of
your your piece, right, is that that's the narrative being displayed,
But that's not It's gone the opposite direction. And I
guess it sounds like you're kind of asking the same thing,
like what the hell's going on? Like why like why
(21:08):
is it struggling like this?
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Yeah, I think it's it's that's the challenge for me is,
you know, those talking points were very applicable in twenty
twenty four when to an average two point two eight
hits on dropbacks. That was the lowest of the four
year sample size that we're talking about, and the screen
rate was way up right, it was twenty percent.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
And some of that's.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
Skewed by replacing the run game because the Dolphins struggled
to run the football last year in the back half
of twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
And you can see the ability to run the ball.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
In twenty twenty five as the Dolphins put on display
against Buffalo, and I'm really excited to see that opportunity
against the Jets in Week four. But I don't think
the low hanging fruit explanations that are very quick to
be pointed to, they're not up to speed with what
the most recent data set is telling us. And that's
(22:03):
that's where I find it so compelling, even though it's
also frustrating because you were hoping this would be the case.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
That's that's the NFL, right is you're trying to use
history to teach yourself about the future, but it changes
so fast and evolved so fast that you find you
wind up chasing your tell sometimes. So I think, you know,
fourteen more games of evidence will help us to uncover
a lot in what this team needs going forward. And
maybe one of those things is these physical marvels at quarterback.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
And I think you know who did I hear this from?
Speaker 2 (22:34):
I've been the heat the Call podcast was talking about like,
be careful what you wish for because on the other
side of a fun loving coach, you know, for fans
that want to move in a certain direction right away,
is this militant, dictator type of personality which is what
we came off of to get to this particular point
in time with the head coaching personality, and at quarterback,
I feel like that's gonna be the the the ire
(22:56):
of Dolphins fans.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
The apple of their eye.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Is this, you know or a seller type of quarterback
that's a big, physical runner who can push the ball
down the field and make those those fun you know,
throws deep in the six hole, the shortstop position, back
across the body for explosive off structure plays. And what
I want to ask you, Kyle, is we have a
crop of guys right now in the college game that
I'm excited about how they come out and pour one
(23:21):
out for Jometier. Last time we talked, we were all
excited about hammiy Brokers.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
He might only miss a few games, like we might.
I'm not closing the book on that one.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Do you think it impacts his decision to come out
this year?
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Though?
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Like that, That's what I'm going about.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
It depends the way the college football structure is now,
like if they made a college football playoff run, you
probably if he only missed two games, you might end
up playing more games than you playing a regular college
football season anyway.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
And he gets four games against top level opponents on
prime time spotlights, like.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
Right, So yeah, I think it depends on how their
season plays out, for sure. I know that the the
rivalry game against Texas is the big one that's up
in the air, but they've got a bye week that
involved in this well, and then it's I think it's
Kent State is the first.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Game that he misses.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
So even if he misses ken Kent State and like
you know, best case scenarios back for Texas. But even
if he's back for Ole Miss and plays the rest
of the games and then they make the playoff, like,
I think the sample size would still be sturdy enough
where if he's hot, then depending on what other quarterbacks
decide to do, it might be a right decision for
him to come out.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
I think Kent State won their first football game on
like twenty four tries recently this year, so maybe that's
a game that he can afford to mess. We're not
gonna get a lot of information from that anyways. But
you know, fans of the show know that that's that's
my guy. I think the dog mentality, the way he
plays the game. Completed his last eleven passes against Auburn
with a broken hand on the throwing hand too, So
I'm excited about his game. But he's not one of
these you know, six foot five, two hundred and twenty
(24:45):
five pound players that you know is going to rumble,
you know, and take hits and not you know, be
affected by them. But there are some guys that maybe
do have that in their in their capabilities, and we
know about Leonora Sellers. I'm sure Dante Moore against Drew
Aller this week, right, we're going to talk about that
a little bit. I just want to get your take
on where you are in the quarterback landscape in terms
of traits versus playing the position. We talked about Garrett
(25:08):
Nusmyer a couple weeks ago, and I find myself kind
of drifting more towards like trades and coach them up.
But you can't just like you can't just coach a
player up to see the field like you either have
it or you don't in a lot of ways, and
you can gain experience that way. I want to get
your take on that, but also among this class, because
I haven't sat down.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
And watched the tape just yet.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
I've gotten them a jo mateer because that's my guy
right now, But I don't really have a feel for
which of these high traits guys have exhibited enough for
you that you think that they can get to that
place where they can take a Josh Allen trajectory right
where they're all traits and they become this elite passor
which was kind of a unicorn example of that versus
the Anthony Richardson who has all this stuff and I
(25:47):
thought showed some stuff in college in terms of the
processing and reading the field out, but it didn't ever
come that way for him. So take me through your
thought process on everything I just said, which was a lot.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
Yeah, so appreciate you setting me up for success. But
the irony here is I think setting your a young
quarterback up for success is such a big piece of
the puzzle. And that's where you look at recent track
record with teams that have drafted toolsy guys that have
(26:18):
high ceilings, and you ask yourself what their situation look
like and if it's successful you say, well, they had
a good environment around them, and if it's not successful.
There's two that come to mind, in particular, it's Trey
Lance in San Francisco and it's Anthony Richardson. Where those
environments with skilled players that existed, with running games that
(26:40):
were there, with coaching staffs that had track records of
having success. You then look and say, okay, well, what's
the common threads between tools guys that go to good
situations and don't work out, And it's reps. It's the
lack of reps because once you get to the NFL
level and if that leap happens and you're under repped,
(27:03):
you're gonna be chasing reps for the rest of your career.
And you got to hope that you fail forward enough
and get enough reps on the field to do it
that you can eventually catch up and then the rep
discrepancy by year, four year, five year, six maybe closes.
But the challenge with that rookie contracts are four years
and a fifth year option, and team's got to make
(27:24):
a decision on your fifth year option by the end
of your third year.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
So as you're chasing reps, the.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
Team timeline is not in line with your own personal timeline,
and I think that's where for tools guys. For me,
I need to at least feel like I know what
you are as compared to the high variance of Trey
Lance and one year of starts at FCS North Dakota
(27:50):
State or Anthony Richardson And was it ten to eleven
starts for Anthony Richardson? Like that, it's just not enough
volume to have you prepare.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Now.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
You can have things that you need to get better
at and still be a raw player if you're a
high tools player. But the red flags for me is
those guys that are grossly underrepped, because that creates the
variance that you're chasing throughout the entire window in which
the most attractive thing about a quarterback on a rookie
contract is the finances are exponentially less. So that that's
(28:26):
I think what you have to reconcile.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Do you.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
Those reps can only occur in live game action, right?
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Yeah? I think so.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
And there's some guys that it would Behoove and I
think Jordan Love's maybe an example that although Jordan Love
had more reps than either two guys that were talking
about in Green Bay where he sat for the amount
of time that he did the three years. But who
has that kind of luxury and stability, right there are
probably three organizations in the league that that say we're
(28:56):
going to draft a guy and intended to sit in
one year, let alone three years.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
And those teams, those teams already have Hall of Fame quarterbacks.
That's why they're there.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
Right, and they're being opportunistic win opportunity knocks to draft
the player who falls into their lap, and that's that's
how that process works. That's how Baltimore ends up for
Lamar Jackson. That's how the Packers get out in front
of the Aaron Rodgers transition and Jordan Love falls into
the twenties and they get them. There's a very situation
(29:30):
specific thing that some teams, with their situations, they have
the foresight and they draft annually and keep their ponds
well stocked so that they can take a swing like
that when it knocks for an opportunity.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Let's pause for a break right there, come back on
the other side and finish up with Kyle Krabs Drivetime
Podcast brought to you by AutoNation. I love I love
the discussion and the reason I asked that specific question
is because you know, John mat here is in his
second year as a starter, one at Washington State, one
in Oklahoma, but he also ran two years of like
(30:06):
in game snaps as a wildcat quarterback at Washington State
behind cam Ward. So I'm wondering, like how much of
that applies to like seeing live game reps where he's
not he's taking the snap when he's you know, putting
the ball under his arm and run and down field.
So it's not really playing in the quarterback position, but
I do think it's it's you know, valuable time to
get out on the field at least in some capacity.
And the reason I ask you this question, Kyle, is
(30:26):
to kind of get us into our topic we usually
have with you here, which is the weekend in college football,
and I know you're gonna want to talk about this
Penn State organ matchup coming up. I thought for a
second going down the schedule, that was gonna be the
only game we look at here, But there is Alabama Georgia,
So I guess in those two games, and particularly looking
at Drew Alller from Penn State and Dante Moore from Moregan,
you got me on the Dante more bandwagon last week
(30:47):
and I watched that game against Oregon State, and man,
he like he's like a freaking drone missile attack.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Man, he can put the ball where he wants.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
I had a teacher my senior year, my government teacher
my senior year, would talk about how the US government
can put can hit your desk, not just the classroom,
the high school. He can they can hit your desk
with a shot from space. Right, That's why is how
I felt watching Dante Moore throw the football against Oregon State.
And then I know you're a big Drew Aller fan,
(31:16):
but like that's more traits than polished at this point
with him, Right.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
Yeah, I think that that's for Drew. It's there's frustrating inconsistencies,
but I think you see a lot of really attractive qualities.
So Dante Moore, red shirt sophomore transfer from UCLA, very young,
but man, the the arm talent is very apparent. I
don't think he's the greatest touch thrower. I think a
(31:42):
lot of things he can. What was the phrase that
I saw in my timeline this morning was firm but soft.
Just Kurt Owner said, the quarterbacks that mastered the art
of throwing firm but soft are the best passers in
the NFL. And I think that's something for for Dante,
you know, as he continues to mature, that I'll be
looking for from him.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
And and aller.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
Is is just decision making accuracy. Sometimes he sees things
a little late, and I think, you know, there's a
lot to work with there. But this this football game
is loaded with talent for this year's draft class, where
Trayvor Penya and Kyroen Hudson at wide receiver for Penn State,
(32:23):
a couple of transfers in to go with Drew Shelton
at left tackle. Nolan Russie, yes related to Hayden Russie,
is the right tackle there at Penn State, to go
with two running backs and Nick Singleton and k Tron
Allen who are potential Top one hundred tight draft picks.
And then Penn State on defense has Donny Dennis, Sutton's,
(32:43):
Ane Durant, Tony Rojas's eligibles, a Key Wheatley's a red
shirt senior safety. They've they've got defensive backs every year.
That's just the Penn State side of things. And that's
before you get to Oregon and Isaiah World is a
transfer tackle for them. They've got pregnant their left guard,
who's an other attractive player. Kenyan Sadig is my favorite
tight end prospect in the country, and he will tear
(33:05):
your face off as a blocker, and he's really athletic
and dynamic defensively. They've got Matteo Ungalle as a name
that stands out for them, and then they have thign
Him in their safety is another really good looking draft prospects.
So you're talking all told, probably a dozen prospects in
the Organ Penn State game that like, not all of
(33:28):
them might not come out, but it is a loaded,
loaded football game.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
I think the best player in the field is a
true freshman, right like I would you put to Coreyan
Moore in Jeremiah Smith and Ryan Williams territory.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
Maybe not, but but we're close.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
We'retty close.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
That was my first exposure on SATDA. I'm like, who
the hell is that guy?
Speaker 4 (33:50):
Yeah, number number one for Oregon and we are we
are in the golden age of non draft eligible wide
receiver football right now, because they I mean, there are
some aliens that could I step on an NFL field
this weekend and be really impactful players and more is
one of those guys.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Alien's right, Kyle, I'm not gonna have you go into
the Bama Georgia game because you've been so gracious with
your time today.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
We appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
He is at Kyle Krabs on Social host of the
Lockdown Dolphins podcast, locked on NFL Scouting, author of Touchdown Miami.
He also has a NFL analyst for eight is E Sports. Kyle,
you're the man, buddy. We appreciate you. I think we're
gonna have you on HQ here coming up shortly, so
keeping out for that and check out all of Kyle's
content wherever you can get it there.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Kyle, Thanks man, Thanks brother.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
We're gonna go ahead and skip the locker room round
up this week because well you just got thirty thirty
five minutes of content there with Dan and Kyle.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Pretty good stuff. Let's go ahead and get out of here.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Next time you hear from me will be after Dolphins
and Jets early on Tuesday morning. We're gonna have the
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Enemy South Plaza by the Dan Marino statue. So come
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(35:03):
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