June 24, 2025 • 40 mins
Dave Hack was with the Dolphins organization for almost 40 years serving as the Director of Video for 25 of those years. He will be honored at this year’s Pro Football Hall of Fame ceremony for the 2025 Awards of Excellence. Nat Moore recently had a street named for him near his alma mater - Miami Edison High School. We spoke to Nat about that and all his work in the community.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Drivetime with Travis Wingfield.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
What is up, Dolphins and welcome to the Draft Time Podcast.
I am your host, Travis Wingfield. And on today's episode,
part two of a two parter, a special bonus edition
here of the Draft Time Podcast, we have two esteemed
guests on the show. Today. Nat Moore joins me to
talk about the street naming after him by Miami Edson
(00:31):
High School earlier this year, and also Dave Hack, along
with Jason Jenkins, will be honored at this year's Pro
Football Hall of Fame ceremony as part of the Awards
of Excellence for his work for almost forty years as
the director of Dolphins Video from the Baptist Health Studios
inside the Baptist Health Training Complex. This is the Draft
Time Podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Hegie Daffy, and.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
We are joined today by someone that I have been
told around the building is best described in one word, legendary,
Dave Hack. Dave's career began with the Dolphins in nineteen
seventy four and went all the way to the Division
Championship season in two thousand and eight. He was the
director of the football Video Department for twenty four years,
and because of that service, he has been chosen for
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the Pro Football Hall of Fame Awards of Excellence. Dave,
it is an honor to meet you and welcome into
the show.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Thank you very much, Travis, and thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
And I think one of the things that folks that
you part of your person that resonates with folks so much, Dave,
is kind of your personable side. And the first thing
you mentioned here on the show before we started recording
was you wanted to acknowledge a couple of friends of
yours that are no longer with us and people that
were close to you and the Dolphins organization.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
That's right, and I'd like to have my thoughts and
prayers go out to the Vigorito family and the Crowder
family on their recent losses.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
It's very kind of you, and that's definitely being felt
here in Dolphins Nation. And you know this, this family
and this this bloodline goes back a long time and
you're a big part of that.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Dave.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
MI w wanted to have you on you so thoughts
and prayers as he mentioned there, to those two families.
And you know, Dave, I have so much I want
to get into in such a short amount of time
here let's start with this. Let's go let's go explosive
right off the top, like the twenty, Like the modern
Dolphins offense that throws the ball down the Phildo Rican
wattle all the time. Let's go explosive. So you worked
with some of the game's biggest personalities and figures in
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Don Shula and Jimmy Johnson and Nick Saban. I'm certain
you've got twenty stories from each coach you could rattle off,
but perhaps there's one that stands out above the rest,
and it can be a moment of praise, maybe someone
giving you an earful when I ask you that question,
what's the story that really jumps to the top of
your mind?
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Dave.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
I worked with coach Don Shula for twenty one years,
and he was a no bs kind of guy.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
It was football playing and simple.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
And one of our biggest problems at the early stage
is when we were exchanging films, was films coming from
the West Coast because of the travel and the time
and all that, and I would always have to go
in there and wait for like a raider game to
come in from the West Coast. I'd go in there
and he'd want to update from the airlines, and he'd go, Dave,
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what do you got from me an excuse or explanation?
Speaker 4 (03:15):
And I go, well, coach, I got both, which one
you wanned?
Speaker 2 (03:20):
And was he receptive to the answers to those?
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (03:23):
Yeah, he knew that I didn't control the airlines and
I was doing the best they could.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
That's so good.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
It's a position that really is vital to an organization,
right because everything they do pretty much from Sunday after
the game to the next Sunday before the game, I mean,
all the study and preparation, they got to have that tape.
So you are a vital part of the organization. And
I mean it sounds like that's kind of why you're
being honored here, but I'm curious to the feedback you
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got from all those coaches and just how valuable that
role was for you.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
Well, i'll tell you what. The role changed so much
over my career. When we started with sixteen millimeter film,
the ability to make what they call now cutups was primitive,
and when we got into videotape, that launched into a
whole new wave of what I can do with these images.
And then we started making it into a digital format
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where you can attach a database to it. So all
of these coaches went from real primitive to anything I want,
And so there was a learning curve for not only us,
but for the coaches to interact with the new technologies.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
How many how many man hours do you think that
saves going from a physical cutup that you had to
physically make right versus the digital kind of editing of
it was, It's got to be a huge difference.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Oh, a major difference.
Speaker 5 (04:44):
And one of the good things about it is if
you had a coach that like we had. Joel Collyer
was with us, and we gave him the ability to
write to the database, he would make his own cutups
and so you had, you know, so basically guys cutting
up sixteen millimeter film to pushing a few buttons on
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his desk in his dreamy land.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
He had anything he wanted.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
That's just amazing. As someone that you know, tries to
learn as much as I can about football through watching
tape myself. I mean, I imagine that you picked up
a thing or two because as you're cutting these up,
you're watching as much film as these coaches are, right.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
Oh yes, and I was shooting it, which was even
a better learning curve for what I was doing when
I started with the Dolphins. That's what I wanted to do,
is to be a cinematographer.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
You know.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
We wore a lot of other hats and our job
as things went along, but my favorite thing to do
was on Sunday for three hours, I get to take
out my earplug from my phone and my radio and
all that, crawl into the viewfinder on my camera.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
And shoot a game.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
To be a cinematographer and just be stuck in that moment.
I'm kind of jealous of that because my job these
days entails, you know, tweeting about everything that happens. I
want to go into the film room of view and
just watch the game. David sounds very peaceful. Let's go
back to the very beginning here, because when you began
back in nineteen seventy four, did you grow up a
Dolphins fan?
Speaker 5 (06:11):
Well, I was born in Illinois, but I moved to
Miami when I was two months old. My parents brought
us down to South Florida, and I was always a
big time Dolphin fan, especially seventy two and seventy three season.
They weren't too bad, and so I started shooting in
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seventy three for a local TV station and that was
doing the Don Shula Show, and I'd go in, I'd
get some film and get a pass to go on
the sideline and I was giving them some ground level
action for the Shula Show, and that was a lot
of fun.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
I can only imagine. You got to be up close
and personal to this legendary figure, right, and you're kind
of young, trying to feel your way into the industry,
were you were you nervous about being around the coach
and the team like that, a.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
Little bit apprehensive, But I knew I had a job
to do, and the thing I wanted to do most
was to be a good photographer. And so when the
opera tunity came with the Miami Dolphins to join their
video or their film staff back then, I had to
take it. I was a young man and that's what
I kind of wanted to do.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
And then the next year you were there. How did
that job come to be in nineteen seventy four.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
Well, I worked in a business that was sales, service
and rental of professional motion picture equipment. So I was
a hardware guy from day one, and the folks that
were doing just got the deal with the Dolphins to
bring their film processing and everything in house. It was
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a ground floor thing for me to take my skills
and add it to what they were doing.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
So that was one of the questions I had for
you later on in my list here, I was talking
about the repairing of hardware because I was talked to
our current video director and Mike Nobler, and again, Dave,
the way that they talk about you around here is
it's I mean, as a guy that was honored by
Dan Marino and who gave you the phone call to
let you know you're going into the Hall of Fame.
(08:13):
It kind of reminds me of the way folks talk
about Marino around here, quite honestly. And he was talking
about how like no one was doing that kind of stuff,
physically repairing the equipment themselves. But that was kind of
your bread and butter.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
And when we went from film to video, I was
already familiar with the equipment. So one thing led to another,
and you know, I built and wired her own studios,
and when we moved into the new training facility in Davy,
I did all the wiring for all the meeting rooms
and then the studio and everything myself.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
That is no small feat. Have you seen our new
facilities here in Miami gardens by chance?
Speaker 5 (08:48):
No, I haven't, but I did watch somebody flew a
drone through there. Yeah, and it was really cool whoever
did that. But I just recently went to the Jacksonville
Jaguars brand new training facility here in Jacksonville, and they
said the architectural group that did that training camp did
(09:08):
the one in Miami too, So I got to see
maybe a preview of what you actually have there.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. And I asked,
because I'm in a studio right now that has all
these you know, these cameras that are operated by a
control room on the other side of the wall, and
we got the TV studio back there. I just I imagine
that's kind of like a like a kid in a
candy store situation for you. But what I want to know, Dave,
maybe almost as much as anything, is what a day
in the life is like for you in that position.
(09:37):
But with how your career spanned so many different spanned
different generations, I'm sure that changed. So I'm I'm I
guess the question is and we'll have that question on
the other side. Drivetime podcast brought to you by Auto Nation.
What was a day in the life like early on
back in those you know, pre eighties, pre digital age,
and then the same question, but advanced into the two
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thousands when we were we were kind of, you know,
experiencing this tech boom.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
When I started with the Dolphins, it was all sixteen
minimeter film, and I remember one time we were back
at Saint Thomas University, We're getting ready for the draft,
and we didn't have the resources then it was just
film and they were pretty much done watching film, you know,
it just turned on the TV and watched the draft.
But I remember riding my motorcycle into the training camp,
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making sure everything's all happy, driving all the way down
to the keys to sit in Roxy's Green totaled in
for lunch and back and we still hadn't picked.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
So what was that like five or six hours?
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Oh yeah, it was a long break.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
In the actual it wasn't the show it is today
in primetime TV and all that.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
It was a different world.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Yeah, it certainly is. I mean shooting now we have
they did an announcement of the schedule during the draft
this year that they announced the announcement of the schedule.
It's like everything with the bells and whistles these days,
and that's cly. A positive thing is that it shows
the NFL's growth over many, many years. And one of
the things that you did was become a director after
eleven seasons. What do you think went into getting that
(11:10):
elevation into that role and what did that change mean
for you as personally?
Speaker 5 (11:15):
Well, I was a young man starting a family, so
financially it was very good for sure to take on
the new role. And I was already familiar with the equipment,
so it wasn't a big change for me. But it
did require you learning new skills, and so I took
all my old skills piled them into that, and I
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think I was fairly successful.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
At that, I would say so. I think the Pro
Football Hall of Fame calling certainly would verify that for
you as well. And we've kind of touched on this
a little bit day, but I want to just maybe
go a little bit further into it, because to the layman,
the idea of transitioning from the sixteen millimeter to digital
the evolution of technology. Was it difficult to learn that
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for you or was that kind of an easy transition
as you know, someone that had been doing it for
so long, Well.
Speaker 5 (12:05):
That was that was an easy transition for me. And
actually it wasn't from film to digital. It was filmed
to analog tape first, and then the computers got into it.
And then what happened was you we were able to
take the images from the videotape and put them into
a computer and then marry that with the database. So
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it was actually three steps to get to our final
product today and it's all digital pusher button stuff.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
So were you the one that had to kind of
get coach Saban up to speed when he got here
on how the NFL films worked.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
Actually, Nick had was far enough along where he was
coaching that they knew the digital side of the world
and so they were familiar with it. So we didn't
have to do much early training with his career. They
already knew what was going on. But with the Dolphins
and our coaches first started messing with computers and all
(13:03):
that stuff, we actually had to teach some of them
how to use a mouse.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Doesn't surprise me. I mean, it's a football coach, right.
That was an age where computers were only for nerds, right,
That was the general thought back then, right.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
I remember the first computer at our old training camp
was a word process or used by Shula's secretary, and
that was it in the building.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Was Sheula pretty computer savvy?
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Actually? I was surprised. Yes he was.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Yeah, all right, he was pretty good at everything. It
sounds like, yeah, he was. Something else that kind of
fascinates me, Dave, is the relationship of a coworker of
yours that was also your brother Bob, for twenty years
together you worked with him.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
Yes, I had that privilege of working with my brother,
and we were always very good at if we had
a situation where we needed to think tank it, we
were always good at coming up with the right answer.
Like when we went to the digital we had to
go into the computer room and design our own racks
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and stuff to make our server work in the building
we were in, and to distribute all that video and
database information to everyone.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
So that was quite a challenge.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah, it sounds like I think that was one of
the things that I was talking to our again, our
current director of football video here, Mike Knobler, was talking
about let's see it was she was the name of it?
I had it written down here. Oh, Sports Pro that
that new implemented system of you guys had. I think
that was that was around around Coach Saban's time, wasn't it.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
Yes, Well, we had a small version of that, and
we with Coach Saban there we were able to secure
funding for a more advanced version of that. So we
really took off after that. As far as our technology.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Yeah, Mike was saying it was the gold standard in
terms of your guys, like forty stations for coaches and
and just kind of creating again the gold standard was
at that time.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
Yeah, we had a lot of support from our vendor
too to implement and give us the latest technology, which
was great.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
That's that's really cool. And one of the other things
he mentioned was a letter that you guys, he said,
either you or your brother or together wrote a letter
to thirty one organizations about this idea of going something
to DVC pro, which is a digital version of the tape,
and it was going to be a big expense for
all the teams with new cam cameras and recorders and
new decks. But you guys said that wasn't a great
idea and it worked. Can you take us through how
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that all?
Speaker 3 (15:33):
What?
Speaker 2 (15:34):
How that all played out.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
That's the longer story than we have time for.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
But there was a move because our beta cam Sony
betacam equipment was aging and they were changing. Sony was
changing on their business model, and so we wanted to
make sure the NFL was in the right place for
the next set phase of what we're doing and members
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sending in a meeting.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
And if you ever sit.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
In a meeting and you're the only guy holding up
your hand to vote on something, you need to look
behind you, because everybody else.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
Had their hand down looking at me like you're nuts.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
But I did offer a letter to all the owners
and it was like with Sony versus Panasonic, all we
ever heard was Panasonic, this is Panasonic, that they never
really invited Sony to the table.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
To speak their mind.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
And so I put a with my letter, put a
hold on the proceedings to go with Panasonic and to
do more research on what we actually did and what
we actually needed. And I think I was the only
person to turn around a unanimous vote by the Competition
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committee to put a hold on Panasonic and to review Sony,
And once Sony got back in the fold again, the
decision was to keep our legacy hardware and modernize it
and move on from there and not do a radical
change in format. And the best part about that was, Travis,
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was all of your legacy tapes that you had. As
coaches moved around from team the team, they'd have the
little box of tapes they take with them when they
went to the new stuff from Sony. Everything played everywhere.
You didn't have to change it, you don't have to
convert it. It was the logical thing to do.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Well.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Yeah, I mean, that's a lot for someone that doesn't
understand or that doesn't have a first hand experience in
that field to really kind of take in. But it
just speaks to the evolution of where we are and
how much more streamlined the game is these days. And
it reminds me of a question I had for you
here about, you know, the advances we've seen in the
last several years, where obviously tech is taking off at
a whole different rate these days, but did you think
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we would get to where we are today with all
these VR headset trainings and cameras on helmets. Did you
think we'd eventually get to this position with technology is And.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
Don't forget RFID tags in the shoulder pads, right right.
So speaking of shoulder pads, there's two guys I'd like
to call out, and they're my wonderful friends there are
still with the Dolphins. It's your equipment guys. Yeah, Joey
and Charlie are my good buddies. They always will be
and I want to give a big shout out to them.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Oh, they're the best yests. That's a great, great spot
to do that. Have you got a chance to watch
every single touchdown pass and watch every single game of
the Electric Dan Marino's career, And in his speech he
acknowledged that you were the only person that saw all
four hundred and twenty touchdowns. I'm curious what that meant
to you. And do you have a favorite Dan Marino
touchdown pass?
Speaker 4 (18:38):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (18:39):
I do.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
Dan and I talked about this one time. We played
a game versus Pittsburgh for the AFC Championship and and
we won that game. But I remember late in the game,
there is one pass I think it was to Mark
Clayton that put us right down on the goal line,
and you knew in your and you look at the
clock and knew how we were playing. We're going to
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the Super Bowl, so that was one of my favorite
Dan Marino touchdown.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
I got one more Dan Marinos story.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
For you, please.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
There's something that a lot of people didn't see about
Dan Marino.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
You know what Make a Wishes Travis. Yeah, there with
the kids and all that making the wish.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
Dan was one of the most popular Make a Wish
guys ever. And I can't tell you how many times
I saw after a game, win or lose, he would
compassionately take the time to go over and interact with
these Make a Wish kids and it was outstanding.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
That is just a great story to kind of put
together the two ledges we're talking about here on the
show of Dan Marino and Dave Hack. Dave, I appreciate
those those stories and the intel. I do want to
close with this, and you do a great job of
kind of deflecting some of the praise here I've noticed
in this interview, but I do want to hear what
this means to you when when you heard about this honor,
when Dan gave you the phone call and you kind
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of your holy bleep, I saw the video. It was
so good. What does this all mean to you, Dave?
Speaker 5 (20:05):
Coming from Dan and coming from my peers. It's a
priceless thing for me. It shows you how well organized
our group was to even be able to have an
award like this, and I think it's just wonderful to
be honored with some of these other pioneers in the field, and.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
One of those pioneers being a different field, but in
our organization here, Jason Jenkins will also be given a
or be elected into the Pro Football Hall of Fame
and the Awards of Excellence too, So two really big
names in our organization, two guys with legendary status being
cemented into the PFH Pro Football Hall of Fame. I
should say, Dave, thank you so much for your time today.
Congratulations on this honor and a brilliant life in football.
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And it was nice to meet you.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
Travis Move is my pleasure, and thank you for having
me anytime.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I appreciate you, Dave. That was a lot of fun
to get to know Dave there and talk about his story.
For a guy that saw thirty four consecutive years of
Dolphins football without missing a game, uh yeah you might.
He might have a few stories to tell you fans
out there about what Dolphins football was and has been
for for a long, long time, last break right there,
speaking of Dolphins legends, coming back on the other side
and talking to Nat Moore. That's next Draft Time Podcast,
(21:13):
brought to you by Auto Nation. Joining us today on
the Draft Time Podcast is Dolphins Legend. Dolphins Great Nat More, Nat,
welcome in.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
How you doing fantastic.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
You know, I've heard so many great things about the
show and look forward to the opportunity to share a
little bit of my history with the Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Yeah, that's we're all about that. I remember back when
when I first started here, was right before the pandemic happened,
and we launched this idea to look at old Dolphins
games because everybody was doing that right right, and we
had we had you on talking about the eighty five
Bears win and the touchdown you scored in that game.
And I haven't I don't think i've I've had you
on the show ever since then. But it's it's a
it's good to have you back on here.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Well, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
So the reason we're having you on today is a
pretty big deal. So Second, a portion of Northwest second
app So I've tried to read this here because it's
a lot of numbers between fifty ninth and sixty second
Street were named Namore Away, right next to Miami Edison
High School, where you played your prep football. So to
kick it off, let's start with, you know, the honor.
Take me through the emotions and the excitement when you
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heard this is going to happen.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Well, you know, I heard a year ago that there
was a possibility, and you know, those kind of things
don't really really excite me.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
You know. I think we do the things we do
because we care.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
And the Miami Dolphins have given me a gigantic platform
where I can make a difference in all in Miami
or South Florida, where I grew up. And because of that,
so many people support you. I'm able to get my
former teammates and all the Dolphin players, sponsors, partners that
come to the table to make South Florida a better
(22:51):
place to live. And then all of a sudden they
want to honor you for that, you know, and that's
they call it an individual award, But I don't believe
in individual awards.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
I played football for a living. It took eleven.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Guys doing their job on one play from five to
eight seconds to be successful.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
That one play. So when it actually happened is when
it really hit.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Me that this was something special and extremely extremely appreciative.
They couldn't have chosen a better place to put my name,
because that's where I harnessed my skills, right there at
Edison High School. Matter of fact, right there on sixty
second and second Avenue where I saw the signs across
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from the gymnasium where I played basketball. You know, basketball
was really my first love. Football was second. But at
some point I realized Travis that I was going to
be five to nine, you know, I wasn't gonna get
any tallder, So of course I needed to focus on
football a little bit more. And ironically most people don't recall,
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but I played junior CIH this basketball before I went
to University of Florida.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Yeah, at five foot nine, what's been pretty good to
taket to that level.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Well, you know, one of the great things about playing
with the Miami Dolphins back in the old days was
that there was no off season draining, right. We had
this barnstorming basketball team, so we would travel around and
play games against coaches and teachers and firefighters and polleys
and help them raise money and we'd make a little
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money while staying in shape. And I think that's why
when you go back and you look at the seventies
and the eighties and even the nineties, the players that
played together were so close because they did more than
just play football together. They spent so much quality time
together doing other things.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Right, Yeah, you mentioned that you know this was something.
And I read the story on the Miami Herald about
when you when they unveiled the street name, and you
were there for the ceremony, and I believe you spoke,
and the article was like, but Natt wasn't trying to
like get the attention on him for all this, because
that's that's the entire idea of the servitude that you
provide to the South Florida community. Right, It's about, like
(25:08):
you said, it's about your teammates, it's about the community.
It's about the people that impact sim I suppose that
maybe the best part about all of it is that
that recognition of your name on that street, in your
old stomping grounds where you harnessed all your skills, people
can look up to that and say I can be
like that more, not just as an athlete, but I
can have this type of impact in my community.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Yeah, I think.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
You know, as a successful individual, your success is based
off so many others. But how do you show young people,
young kids, that they can do it too? You know,
back in the late nineties, no early nineties, excuse me,
(25:50):
when Super Bowl came back to Miami, we started a
football camp and once again I'm serving on a committee.
And there was two events for Super Bowl, and everybody
forget that there were two.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
One was the game and the other was the Commissioner's party.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
There was no NFL Live, there were none of the parties,
there was none of that. And I remember serving on
the committee and everybody's so tickle pink about having the
Super Bowl, And I said, why, what's in it for
the people here locally?
Speaker 3 (26:23):
They're not going to get a.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Ticket to the Commissioner's party. They sure as hell I
ain't gonna get a ticket to the game. So why
should South Florida be so excited? And they said, well, well,
what do you think, what do we need to do?
I said, let's do something for the kids. It's it's
the heartstring of everybody. And we start doing football camps
(26:46):
and that first year we had over five thousand people
in the parking lot as guys from all around the
league came in because they were once just like those kids.
And the funny part was, after all over, Pete Roselle said,
a guy by the name of Jim Steek, who had
been with the Dobins, had been a personal friend.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
He goes, can you do this at every Super Bowl?
Speaker 1 (27:09):
And for twenty some years I would reach out to
all my friends across the league and we would do
football camps, not to teach them football, but the show
kids that we were no different than they are. If
you want to have success, it's easy. Work at your craft,
stayed the heck out of trouble, and give yourself an opportunity.
(27:30):
Don't take yourself out the game.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Yeah, I tell a story all the time. I was
a probably third fourth grade. I was from the Seattle area.
They brought Kingerfred Junior to my school. I never forgot
that and that it was so it was so impactful
my life, like that I was teased right here, the
superstars right here, you know, and just to be around
the athletes and see that, to your point, it has
a really really big impact. So was that kind of
(27:51):
how the foundation that that Moore Foundation kind of began
was with those football camps.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Well, I always, even when I was playing football, I
always sort of did fundraisers for different charities in the community.
I started with a fashion show with Bob Greasy and
all those guys walking down the aisle, they go never again,
Never again as their photograph.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
That So the following year I went to.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Running golf tournaments, which I'm still doing, and we realized
that we could raise more money and we could give
more back into the community with the mind pop charities
to help them keep kids out of trouble off the streets.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
And in the.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Process, you know, when I retired, I decided, you know what,
I'm doing it for all these separate charities, why don't
I just turn around and have my own foundation do
it one time raises much money instead of trying to
raise ten thousand of this in, ten thousand for that,
seventy five hundred for.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
This one, and then disperse it.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
And then eventually that we got to where we decided
to do the endowment fund, which is what I'm most
proud of.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
That's really cool. I was reading about that in the
article I told you about on the Miami Held earlier.
Can you maybe just expand upon the Endowment Fund and
what works like that is and what it does.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
For kids, Well, it's an opportunity for kids to receive
funding for four years for college. Or we have a
vocational trade part to it as well, where folks can
come in and most of us construction trade, but they
can come in and learn a trade and in a
matter of four months they're working and they're making forty
(29:35):
to fifty sixty thousand.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Dollars a year.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
So our goal is basically just trying to give people
a leg up. And Erica Simmons does a fantastic job
of running the Endowment Fund or the foundation for many
many years and we're very proud of it. And our
goal is to continue to do what we're doing, but
even more so to raise more money and have it
(30:00):
where that fund is there in perpetuity.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
That's outstanding. Yeah, you and your team doing a great
job of making a big difference in these kids' lives.
And you know, I can't turn on CBS Miami without
seeing either than that more trophy or that you know
something something with you and your foundation, or the high
school player of the Year or whatever it is. It's
all over the place. So it's great to see, but
I kind of want to go back here and back
to the Miami Edison days because you talk about seeing
that street sign right across from the gymnasum you used
(30:23):
to hoop in. I just I'm picturing, like again, you know,
trying to put myself in that experience and like, you know,
thinking back to my high school days, like how cool
that would be to see that and how that would
impact every kid you know there after me. But for you,
I'm wondering, like, did you you know having that street
name that more way be there, Like you must kind
of take yourself back to those high school days and
(30:44):
walking down that street right. I'm sure you spend a
lot of time there, And I'm just I guess I'm
trying to ask you when you when you reflect upon
what it is now versus what it was then, like
what kind of comes to mind?
Speaker 1 (30:53):
I think what comes to mind when I think about
that accolae is what a screw up I was, tacky
and how one athlete just showing up changed my life.
You know, the Miami Dolphins back in nineteen sixty six
(31:15):
started the franchise and probably was the worst franchise in
football and nobody.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
Really wanted to go see him play. They weren't that competitive.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
And one of my math teachers got to know one
of the Dolphin players and just like we do where
we send players to schools, got him to come out
and he's speaking to the entire school and we're sitting
an auditorium and drivers them looking at him on the
stage and I'm just looking and I can't tell you
(31:46):
today what he said. I was so meslenized by his size.
Then the only thing kept going through my mind is, Damn,
he's small. You know, he's a literald guy, you know,
because on TV, guys are larger than life.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
The guy's name was Jimmy Warren.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
And when Jimmy came off stage, I was like, Damn,
I'm big as he is right now. If he can
do it, I can do it. What do I need
to do to get to where he is? And that's
why that that thought is always in my head about
putting athletes with kids, because you never know the impression.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
It wasn't anything he's said, It was just him me seeing.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Him that said, if he can play pro ball, why
can't I. I just need to stay on the straight
and narrow and The funny part about that story is
five years later, I'm in the NFL. He's no longer
with the Miama Dolphins. I'm with the Miami Dolphins. I
run the opening kickoff back for a touchdown against the Raiders,
(32:50):
and he's with the Raiders and he's the guy chasing me.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
And I was like, Jimmy, none of this would have
happened if you did.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
He talk about that afterwards, Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
It got to be really good friends with him.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Matter of fact, through the years, his wife at the
time is very close with my wife, so we have
a good relationship. But you never know what impression you
can make on young people by just showing up.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Right, And that's the whole idea behind the street sign, right,
is it brings attention to what you're doing, not to you. Necessarily,
it does, but that's not your goal. It brings the
attention to what you're doing, which is the most important
thing here. And this might be an obvious question and
answer no, but I feel like it needs to be asked.
You you're born and raised here. You mentioned leaving coming back.
You've spent so much of your your really most of
(33:40):
your life here. What is it about the South Florida
community that's so special to you. You're mister South Florida.
Why is this area so special?
Speaker 1 (33:48):
I think it's to people. It's a melting pot of
the world, you know. I mean, you name the nationality,
they're here. And unlike back in the sixties and extens
when we had the race riots and all that going on,
everybody seems to get along. We have some issues. Every city,
every great city, has some issues. But overall, the one
(34:10):
thing that I know about this community is when things
get tough, everybody comes together to help each other.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
And that's all you can ask.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
We're never going to agree on everything, but when things
get tough, you know, you talk about the pandemic, all
of a sudden, we're feeding everybody. Everybody's coming to the
table because we believe you get a hurricane. Same thing.
That's what's great about this community. We fight like brothers
and sisters. We don't agree, but when things get tough,
(34:40):
we all come together for the betterment of the community.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
It's when you mentioned that I can all I can
think of is Jason Jenkins and the meals and everything,
all that stuff, and just how instrumental he was to
all that. Yeah, it's it's been cool for someone that
came here from you know, an outside perspective, from the
Pacific Northwest to come down and see all the impact
that you and yourself and Jason Jenkins had on the
Communit just really really cool stuff. I guess I'll end
with this, not what's next, what's coming up for them?
(35:04):
Not more foundation? What can folks look forward to?
Speaker 1 (35:07):
I think it's just the same things. You know, if
the old saying, if it ain't broke, you don't fix it.
You know, you always try and grow it. So we'll
try and get more partners, more sponsors, take care more kids.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
The more money.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
We raise, the bigger the endowment becomes, the more students.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
You know.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
I go to an event in Montgomery, Alabama called the
Jimmy Rain Foundation. It's been going on twenty five years now,
and I don't know exactly how much money is in
that endowment. And this is a big event where mostly
SEC schools, old coaches, players, et cetera, all show up
(35:50):
and it's a big fundraiser, a dinner and a golf outing.
They have in the last twenty five years set over
eight hundred and seventy some kids to the college of
their choice.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
The first year they did one well.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
So when I go and I see things like that,
the vision becomes why can't we do this? Why can't
we eventually have an endowment that's so big that kids
know that if they do things the right way, they
don't have a chance to apply and maybe get a
scholarship where they can go to the universe of their choice.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
So when you have these these thoughts and grandeur ideas,
who do you how do you get the ball rolling
on that? You've kind of got my brain curious here,
what's what's the process of Like they can do it?
Why can't I?
Speaker 3 (36:42):
What do you? What do you do?
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Then? Do next? Like what's the next step in the world.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
You spend more time with them figuring out how to
and then you you bring in your people, and then
you start to target the people that you know can
synergize the vision. You know, nobody does any thing by themselves,
you know, and without partners, without sponsors, without the celebrities,
(37:05):
the athletes showing up, without the the the vendors, you
got nothing.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
The question is how you get the ball in the
room for a cause? And the ones that.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Do that well succeed and is really able to do
a lot. And I can't thank the Miama Dolphins enough
for allowing me to bring my endowment fund into the
Mima Dolphins Foundation, because I did close down my foundation
and hopefully it'll be a part of the Miami Dolphins
(37:38):
Foundation forever. You know, when I think about it, I
wouldn't have it if it wasn't for the Miami Dolphins.
You know, I wouldn't. Wouldn't would have never had an
opportunity to do this. And who has more synergy, who
has more opportunities to grow things than the Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Well, it's a crowd to you for taking the platform
and running with it the way you did your entire
football and basketball career. You made the most out of
everything you could possibly do, so not more. We appreciate
your time today. Congratulations on the on the street renaming
Miami Edison High, and just everything you've done. It's really cool.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
Now.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
We appreciate your time today and thanks for joining us.
Thank you for having me a day of legends here
on the Draft Time Podcast, talking to Liz Jenkins, tom Garfinkel,
to Tony Wiley, Dave Hacken, of course Nat more right
there and for more on the nap more and down.
You can visit Miami Dolphins dot com to read all
about his foundation and what he does here for the community.
Not is a star player who's work and impacting the
(38:34):
community transcends the football field. So appreciate NAT's time on
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Daddy's coming up
This is Drivetime with Travis Wingfield.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
What is up, Dolphins and welcome to the Draft Time Podcast.
I am your host, Travis Wingfield. And on today's episode,
part two of a two parter, a special bonus edition
here of the Draft Time Podcast, we have two esteemed
guests on the show. Today. Nat Moore joins me to
talk about the street naming after him by Miami Edson
(00:31):
High School earlier this year, and also Dave Hack, along
with Jason Jenkins, will be honored at this year's Pro
Football Hall of Fame ceremony as part of the Awards
of Excellence for his work for almost forty years as
the director of Dolphins Video from the Baptist Health Studios
inside the Baptist Health Training Complex. This is the Draft
Time Podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Hegie Daffy, and.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
We are joined today by someone that I have been
told around the building is best described in one word, legendary,
Dave Hack. Dave's career began with the Dolphins in nineteen
seventy four and went all the way to the Division
Championship season in two thousand and eight. He was the
director of the football Video Department for twenty four years,
and because of that service, he has been chosen for
(01:14):
the Pro Football Hall of Fame Awards of Excellence. Dave,
it is an honor to meet you and welcome into
the show.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Thank you very much, Travis, and thank you for having me.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
And I think one of the things that folks that
you part of your person that resonates with folks so much, Dave,
is kind of your personable side. And the first thing
you mentioned here on the show before we started recording
was you wanted to acknowledge a couple of friends of
yours that are no longer with us and people that
were close to you and the Dolphins organization.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
That's right, and I'd like to have my thoughts and
prayers go out to the Vigorito family and the Crowder
family on their recent losses.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
It's very kind of you, and that's definitely being felt
here in Dolphins Nation. And you know this, this family
and this this bloodline goes back a long time and
you're a big part of that.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Dave.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
MI w wanted to have you on you so thoughts
and prayers as he mentioned there, to those two families.
And you know, Dave, I have so much I want
to get into in such a short amount of time
here let's start with this. Let's go let's go explosive
right off the top, like the twenty, Like the modern
Dolphins offense that throws the ball down the Phildo Rican
wattle all the time. Let's go explosive. So you worked
with some of the game's biggest personalities and figures in
(02:21):
Don Shula and Jimmy Johnson and Nick Saban. I'm certain
you've got twenty stories from each coach you could rattle off,
but perhaps there's one that stands out above the rest,
and it can be a moment of praise, maybe someone
giving you an earful when I ask you that question,
what's the story that really jumps to the top of
your mind?
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Dave.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
I worked with coach Don Shula for twenty one years,
and he was a no bs kind of guy.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
It was football playing and simple.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
And one of our biggest problems at the early stage
is when we were exchanging films, was films coming from
the West Coast because of the travel and the time
and all that, and I would always have to go
in there and wait for like a raider game to
come in from the West Coast. I'd go in there
and he'd want to update from the airlines, and he'd go, Dave,
(03:12):
what do you got from me an excuse or explanation?
Speaker 4 (03:15):
And I go, well, coach, I got both, which one
you wanned?
Speaker 2 (03:20):
And was he receptive to the answers to those?
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (03:23):
Yeah, he knew that I didn't control the airlines and
I was doing the best they could.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
That's so good.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
It's a position that really is vital to an organization,
right because everything they do pretty much from Sunday after
the game to the next Sunday before the game, I mean,
all the study and preparation, they got to have that tape.
So you are a vital part of the organization. And
I mean it sounds like that's kind of why you're
being honored here, but I'm curious to the feedback you
(03:51):
got from all those coaches and just how valuable that
role was for you.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
Well, i'll tell you what. The role changed so much
over my career. When we started with sixteen millimeter film,
the ability to make what they call now cutups was primitive,
and when we got into videotape, that launched into a
whole new wave of what I can do with these images.
And then we started making it into a digital format
(04:16):
where you can attach a database to it. So all
of these coaches went from real primitive to anything I want,
And so there was a learning curve for not only us,
but for the coaches to interact with the new technologies.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
How many how many man hours do you think that
saves going from a physical cutup that you had to
physically make right versus the digital kind of editing of
it was, It's got to be a huge difference.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Oh, a major difference.
Speaker 5 (04:44):
And one of the good things about it is if
you had a coach that like we had. Joel Collyer
was with us, and we gave him the ability to
write to the database, he would make his own cutups
and so you had, you know, so basically guys cutting
up sixteen millimeter film to pushing a few buttons on
(05:04):
his desk in his dreamy land.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
He had anything he wanted.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
That's just amazing. As someone that you know, tries to
learn as much as I can about football through watching
tape myself. I mean, I imagine that you picked up
a thing or two because as you're cutting these up,
you're watching as much film as these coaches are, right.
Speaker 5 (05:21):
Oh yes, and I was shooting it, which was even
a better learning curve for what I was doing when
I started with the Dolphins. That's what I wanted to do,
is to be a cinematographer.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
You know.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
We wore a lot of other hats and our job
as things went along, but my favorite thing to do
was on Sunday for three hours, I get to take
out my earplug from my phone and my radio and
all that, crawl into the viewfinder on my camera.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
And shoot a game.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
To be a cinematographer and just be stuck in that moment.
I'm kind of jealous of that because my job these
days entails, you know, tweeting about everything that happens. I
want to go into the film room of view and
just watch the game. David sounds very peaceful. Let's go
back to the very beginning here, because when you began
back in nineteen seventy four, did you grow up a
Dolphins fan?
Speaker 5 (06:11):
Well, I was born in Illinois, but I moved to
Miami when I was two months old. My parents brought
us down to South Florida, and I was always a
big time Dolphin fan, especially seventy two and seventy three season.
They weren't too bad, and so I started shooting in
(06:32):
seventy three for a local TV station and that was
doing the Don Shula Show, and I'd go in, I'd
get some film and get a pass to go on
the sideline and I was giving them some ground level
action for the Shula Show, and that was a lot
of fun.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
I can only imagine. You got to be up close
and personal to this legendary figure, right, and you're kind
of young, trying to feel your way into the industry,
were you were you nervous about being around the coach
and the team like that, a.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
Little bit apprehensive, But I knew I had a job
to do, and the thing I wanted to do most
was to be a good photographer. And so when the
opera tunity came with the Miami Dolphins to join their
video or their film staff back then, I had to
take it. I was a young man and that's what
I kind of wanted to do.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
And then the next year you were there. How did
that job come to be in nineteen seventy four.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
Well, I worked in a business that was sales, service
and rental of professional motion picture equipment. So I was
a hardware guy from day one, and the folks that
were doing just got the deal with the Dolphins to
bring their film processing and everything in house. It was
(07:47):
a ground floor thing for me to take my skills
and add it to what they were doing.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
So that was one of the questions I had for
you later on in my list here, I was talking
about the repairing of hardware because I was talked to
our current video director and Mike Nobler, and again, Dave,
the way that they talk about you around here is
it's I mean, as a guy that was honored by
Dan Marino and who gave you the phone call to
let you know you're going into the Hall of Fame.
(08:13):
It kind of reminds me of the way folks talk
about Marino around here, quite honestly. And he was talking
about how like no one was doing that kind of stuff,
physically repairing the equipment themselves. But that was kind of
your bread and butter.
Speaker 5 (08:23):
And when we went from film to video, I was
already familiar with the equipment. So one thing led to another,
and you know, I built and wired her own studios,
and when we moved into the new training facility in Davy,
I did all the wiring for all the meeting rooms
and then the studio and everything myself.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
That is no small feat. Have you seen our new
facilities here in Miami gardens by chance?
Speaker 5 (08:48):
No, I haven't, but I did watch somebody flew a
drone through there. Yeah, and it was really cool whoever
did that. But I just recently went to the Jacksonville
Jaguars brand new training facility here in Jacksonville, and they
said the architectural group that did that training camp did
(09:08):
the one in Miami too, So I got to see
maybe a preview of what you actually have there.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. And I asked,
because I'm in a studio right now that has all
these you know, these cameras that are operated by a
control room on the other side of the wall, and
we got the TV studio back there. I just I imagine
that's kind of like a like a kid in a
candy store situation for you. But what I want to know, Dave,
maybe almost as much as anything, is what a day
in the life is like for you in that position.
(09:37):
But with how your career spanned so many different spanned
different generations, I'm sure that changed. So I'm I'm I
guess the question is and we'll have that question on
the other side. Drivetime podcast brought to you by Auto Nation.
What was a day in the life like early on
back in those you know, pre eighties, pre digital age,
and then the same question, but advanced into the two
(09:59):
thousands when we were we were kind of, you know,
experiencing this tech boom.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
When I started with the Dolphins, it was all sixteen
minimeter film, and I remember one time we were back
at Saint Thomas University, We're getting ready for the draft,
and we didn't have the resources then it was just
film and they were pretty much done watching film, you know,
it just turned on the TV and watched the draft.
But I remember riding my motorcycle into the training camp,
(10:23):
making sure everything's all happy, driving all the way down
to the keys to sit in Roxy's Green totaled in
for lunch and back and we still hadn't picked.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
So what was that like five or six hours?
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Oh yeah, it was a long break.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
In the actual it wasn't the show it is today
in primetime TV and all that.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
It was a different world.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Yeah, it certainly is. I mean shooting now we have
they did an announcement of the schedule during the draft
this year that they announced the announcement of the schedule.
It's like everything with the bells and whistles these days,
and that's cly. A positive thing is that it shows
the NFL's growth over many, many years. And one of
the things that you did was become a director after
eleven seasons. What do you think went into getting that
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elevation into that role and what did that change mean
for you as personally?
Speaker 5 (11:15):
Well, I was a young man starting a family, so
financially it was very good for sure to take on
the new role. And I was already familiar with the equipment,
so it wasn't a big change for me. But it
did require you learning new skills, and so I took
all my old skills piled them into that, and I
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think I was fairly successful.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
At that, I would say so. I think the Pro
Football Hall of Fame calling certainly would verify that for
you as well. And we've kind of touched on this
a little bit day, but I want to just maybe
go a little bit further into it, because to the layman,
the idea of transitioning from the sixteen millimeter to digital
the evolution of technology. Was it difficult to learn that
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for you or was that kind of an easy transition
as you know, someone that had been doing it for
so long, Well.
Speaker 5 (12:05):
That was that was an easy transition for me. And
actually it wasn't from film to digital. It was filmed
to analog tape first, and then the computers got into it.
And then what happened was you we were able to
take the images from the videotape and put them into
a computer and then marry that with the database. So
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it was actually three steps to get to our final
product today and it's all digital pusher button stuff.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
So were you the one that had to kind of
get coach Saban up to speed when he got here
on how the NFL films worked.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
Actually, Nick had was far enough along where he was
coaching that they knew the digital side of the world
and so they were familiar with it. So we didn't
have to do much early training with his career. They
already knew what was going on. But with the Dolphins
and our coaches first started messing with computers and all
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that stuff, we actually had to teach some of them
how to use a mouse.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Doesn't surprise me. I mean, it's a football coach, right.
That was an age where computers were only for nerds, right,
That was the general thought back then, right.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
I remember the first computer at our old training camp
was a word process or used by Shula's secretary, and
that was it in the building.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Was Sheula pretty computer savvy?
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Actually? I was surprised. Yes he was.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Yeah, all right, he was pretty good at everything. It
sounds like, yeah, he was. Something else that kind of
fascinates me, Dave, is the relationship of a coworker of
yours that was also your brother Bob, for twenty years
together you worked with him.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
Yes, I had that privilege of working with my brother,
and we were always very good at if we had
a situation where we needed to think tank it, we
were always good at coming up with the right answer.
Like when we went to the digital we had to
go into the computer room and design our own racks
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and stuff to make our server work in the building
we were in, and to distribute all that video and
database information to everyone.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
So that was quite a challenge.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah, it sounds like I think that was one of
the things that I was talking to our again, our
current director of football video here, Mike Knobler, was talking
about let's see it was she was the name of it?
I had it written down here. Oh, Sports Pro that
that new implemented system of you guys had. I think
that was that was around around Coach Saban's time, wasn't it.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
Yes, Well, we had a small version of that, and
we with Coach Saban there we were able to secure
funding for a more advanced version of that. So we
really took off after that. As far as our technology.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Yeah, Mike was saying it was the gold standard in
terms of your guys, like forty stations for coaches and
and just kind of creating again the gold standard was
at that time.
Speaker 5 (15:01):
Yeah, we had a lot of support from our vendor
too to implement and give us the latest technology, which
was great.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
That's that's really cool. And one of the other things
he mentioned was a letter that you guys, he said,
either you or your brother or together wrote a letter
to thirty one organizations about this idea of going something
to DVC pro, which is a digital version of the tape,
and it was going to be a big expense for
all the teams with new cam cameras and recorders and
new decks. But you guys said that wasn't a great
idea and it worked. Can you take us through how
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that all?
Speaker 3 (15:33):
What?
Speaker 2 (15:34):
How that all played out.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
That's the longer story than we have time for.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
But there was a move because our beta cam Sony
betacam equipment was aging and they were changing. Sony was
changing on their business model, and so we wanted to
make sure the NFL was in the right place for
the next set phase of what we're doing and members
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sending in a meeting.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
And if you ever sit.
Speaker 5 (16:05):
In a meeting and you're the only guy holding up
your hand to vote on something, you need to look
behind you, because everybody else.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
Had their hand down looking at me like you're nuts.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
But I did offer a letter to all the owners
and it was like with Sony versus Panasonic, all we
ever heard was Panasonic, this is Panasonic, that they never
really invited Sony to the table.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
To speak their mind.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
And so I put a with my letter, put a
hold on the proceedings to go with Panasonic and to
do more research on what we actually did and what
we actually needed. And I think I was the only
person to turn around a unanimous vote by the Competition
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committee to put a hold on Panasonic and to review Sony,
And once Sony got back in the fold again, the
decision was to keep our legacy hardware and modernize it
and move on from there and not do a radical
change in format. And the best part about that was, Travis,
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was all of your legacy tapes that you had. As
coaches moved around from team the team, they'd have the
little box of tapes they take with them when they
went to the new stuff from Sony. Everything played everywhere.
You didn't have to change it, you don't have to
convert it. It was the logical thing to do.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Well.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Yeah, I mean, that's a lot for someone that doesn't
understand or that doesn't have a first hand experience in
that field to really kind of take in. But it
just speaks to the evolution of where we are and
how much more streamlined the game is these days. And
it reminds me of a question I had for you
here about, you know, the advances we've seen in the
last several years, where obviously tech is taking off at
a whole different rate these days, but did you think
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we would get to where we are today with all
these VR headset trainings and cameras on helmets. Did you
think we'd eventually get to this position with technology is And.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
Don't forget RFID tags in the shoulder pads, right right.
So speaking of shoulder pads, there's two guys I'd like
to call out, and they're my wonderful friends there are
still with the Dolphins. It's your equipment guys. Yeah, Joey
and Charlie are my good buddies. They always will be
and I want to give a big shout out to them.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Oh, they're the best yests. That's a great, great spot
to do that. Have you got a chance to watch
every single touchdown pass and watch every single game of
the Electric Dan Marino's career, And in his speech he
acknowledged that you were the only person that saw all
four hundred and twenty touchdowns. I'm curious what that meant
to you. And do you have a favorite Dan Marino
touchdown pass?
Speaker 4 (18:38):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (18:39):
I do.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
Dan and I talked about this one time. We played
a game versus Pittsburgh for the AFC Championship and and
we won that game. But I remember late in the game,
there is one pass I think it was to Mark
Clayton that put us right down on the goal line,
and you knew in your and you look at the
clock and knew how we were playing. We're going to
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the Super Bowl, so that was one of my favorite
Dan Marino touchdown.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
I got one more Dan Marinos story.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
For you, please.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
There's something that a lot of people didn't see about
Dan Marino.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
You know what Make a Wishes Travis. Yeah, there with
the kids and all that making the wish.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
Dan was one of the most popular Make a Wish
guys ever. And I can't tell you how many times
I saw after a game, win or lose, he would
compassionately take the time to go over and interact with
these Make a Wish kids and it was outstanding.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
That is just a great story to kind of put
together the two ledges we're talking about here on the
show of Dan Marino and Dave Hack. Dave, I appreciate
those those stories and the intel. I do want to
close with this, and you do a great job of
kind of deflecting some of the praise here I've noticed
in this interview, but I do want to hear what
this means to you when when you heard about this honor,
when Dan gave you the phone call and you kind
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of your holy bleep, I saw the video. It was
so good. What does this all mean to you, Dave?
Speaker 5 (20:05):
Coming from Dan and coming from my peers. It's a
priceless thing for me. It shows you how well organized
our group was to even be able to have an
award like this, and I think it's just wonderful to
be honored with some of these other pioneers in the field, and.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
One of those pioneers being a different field, but in
our organization here, Jason Jenkins will also be given a
or be elected into the Pro Football Hall of Fame
and the Awards of Excellence too, So two really big
names in our organization, two guys with legendary status being
cemented into the PFH Pro Football Hall of Fame. I
should say, Dave, thank you so much for your time today.
Congratulations on this honor and a brilliant life in football.
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And it was nice to meet you.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
Travis Move is my pleasure, and thank you for having
me anytime.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I appreciate you, Dave. That was a lot of fun
to get to know Dave there and talk about his story.
For a guy that saw thirty four consecutive years of
Dolphins football without missing a game, uh yeah you might.
He might have a few stories to tell you fans
out there about what Dolphins football was and has been
for for a long, long time, last break right there,
speaking of Dolphins legends, coming back on the other side
and talking to Nat Moore. That's next Draft Time Podcast,
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brought to you by Auto Nation. Joining us today on
the Draft Time Podcast is Dolphins Legend. Dolphins Great Nat More, Nat,
welcome in.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
How you doing fantastic.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
You know, I've heard so many great things about the
show and look forward to the opportunity to share a
little bit of my history with the Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Yeah, that's we're all about that. I remember back when
when I first started here, was right before the pandemic happened,
and we launched this idea to look at old Dolphins
games because everybody was doing that right right, and we
had we had you on talking about the eighty five
Bears win and the touchdown you scored in that game.
And I haven't I don't think i've I've had you
on the show ever since then. But it's it's a
it's good to have you back on here.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Well, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
So the reason we're having you on today is a
pretty big deal. So Second, a portion of Northwest second
app So I've tried to read this here because it's
a lot of numbers between fifty ninth and sixty second
Street were named Namore Away, right next to Miami Edison
High School, where you played your prep football. So to
kick it off, let's start with, you know, the honor.
Take me through the emotions and the excitement when you
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heard this is going to happen.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Well, you know, I heard a year ago that there
was a possibility, and you know, those kind of things
don't really really excite me.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
You know. I think we do the things we do
because we care.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
And the Miami Dolphins have given me a gigantic platform
where I can make a difference in all in Miami
or South Florida, where I grew up. And because of that,
so many people support you. I'm able to get my
former teammates and all the Dolphin players, sponsors, partners that
come to the table to make South Florida a better
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place to live. And then all of a sudden they
want to honor you for that, you know, and that's
they call it an individual award, But I don't believe
in individual awards.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
I played football for a living. It took eleven.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Guys doing their job on one play from five to
eight seconds to be successful.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
That one play. So when it actually happened is when
it really hit.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Me that this was something special and extremely extremely appreciative.
They couldn't have chosen a better place to put my name,
because that's where I harnessed my skills, right there at
Edison High School. Matter of fact, right there on sixty
second and second Avenue where I saw the signs across
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from the gymnasium where I played basketball. You know, basketball
was really my first love. Football was second. But at
some point I realized Travis that I was going to
be five to nine, you know, I wasn't gonna get
any tallder, So of course I needed to focus on
football a little bit more. And ironically most people don't recall,
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but I played junior CIH this basketball before I went
to University of Florida.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Yeah, at five foot nine, what's been pretty good to
taket to that level.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Well, you know, one of the great things about playing
with the Miami Dolphins back in the old days was
that there was no off season draining, right. We had
this barnstorming basketball team, so we would travel around and
play games against coaches and teachers and firefighters and polleys
and help them raise money and we'd make a little
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money while staying in shape. And I think that's why
when you go back and you look at the seventies
and the eighties and even the nineties, the players that
played together were so close because they did more than
just play football together. They spent so much quality time
together doing other things.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Right, Yeah, you mentioned that you know this was something.
And I read the story on the Miami Herald about
when you when they unveiled the street name, and you
were there for the ceremony, and I believe you spoke,
and the article was like, but Natt wasn't trying to
like get the attention on him for all this, because
that's that's the entire idea of the servitude that you
provide to the South Florida community. Right, It's about, like
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you said, it's about your teammates, it's about the community.
It's about the people that impact sim I suppose that
maybe the best part about all of it is that
that recognition of your name on that street, in your
old stomping grounds where you harnessed all your skills, people
can look up to that and say I can be
like that more, not just as an athlete, but I
can have this type of impact in my community.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Yeah, I think.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
You know, as a successful individual, your success is based
off so many others. But how do you show young people,
young kids, that they can do it too? You know,
back in the late nineties, no early nineties, excuse me,
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when Super Bowl came back to Miami, we started a
football camp and once again I'm serving on a committee.
And there was two events for Super Bowl, and everybody
forget that there were two.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
One was the game and the other was the Commissioner's party.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
There was no NFL Live, there were none of the parties,
there was none of that. And I remember serving on
the committee and everybody's so tickle pink about having the
Super Bowl, And I said, why, what's in it for
the people here locally?
Speaker 3 (26:23):
They're not going to get a.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Ticket to the Commissioner's party. They sure as hell I
ain't gonna get a ticket to the game. So why
should South Florida be so excited? And they said, well, well,
what do you think, what do we need to do?
I said, let's do something for the kids. It's it's
the heartstring of everybody. And we start doing football camps
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and that first year we had over five thousand people
in the parking lot as guys from all around the
league came in because they were once just like those kids.
And the funny part was, after all over, Pete Roselle said,
a guy by the name of Jim Steek, who had
been with the Dobins, had been a personal friend.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
He goes, can you do this at every Super Bowl?
Speaker 1 (27:09):
And for twenty some years I would reach out to
all my friends across the league and we would do
football camps, not to teach them football, but the show
kids that we were no different than they are. If
you want to have success, it's easy. Work at your craft,
stayed the heck out of trouble, and give yourself an opportunity.
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Don't take yourself out the game.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Yeah, I tell a story all the time. I was
a probably third fourth grade. I was from the Seattle area.
They brought Kingerfred Junior to my school. I never forgot
that and that it was so it was so impactful
my life, like that I was teased right here, the
superstars right here, you know, and just to be around
the athletes and see that, to your point, it has
a really really big impact. So was that kind of
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how the foundation that that Moore Foundation kind of began
was with those football camps.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Well, I always, even when I was playing football, I
always sort of did fundraisers for different charities in the community.
I started with a fashion show with Bob Greasy and
all those guys walking down the aisle, they go never again,
Never again as their photograph.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
That So the following year I went to.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Running golf tournaments, which I'm still doing, and we realized
that we could raise more money and we could give
more back into the community with the mind pop charities
to help them keep kids out of trouble off the streets.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
And in the.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Process, you know, when I retired, I decided, you know what,
I'm doing it for all these separate charities, why don't
I just turn around and have my own foundation do
it one time raises much money instead of trying to
raise ten thousand of this in, ten thousand for that,
seventy five hundred for.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
This one, and then disperse it.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
And then eventually that we got to where we decided
to do the endowment fund, which is what I'm most
proud of.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
That's really cool. I was reading about that in the
article I told you about on the Miami Held earlier.
Can you maybe just expand upon the Endowment Fund and
what works like that is and what it does.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
For kids, Well, it's an opportunity for kids to receive
funding for four years for college. Or we have a
vocational trade part to it as well, where folks can
come in and most of us construction trade, but they
can come in and learn a trade and in a
matter of four months they're working and they're making forty
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to fifty sixty thousand.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Dollars a year.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
So our goal is basically just trying to give people
a leg up. And Erica Simmons does a fantastic job
of running the Endowment Fund or the foundation for many
many years and we're very proud of it. And our
goal is to continue to do what we're doing, but
even more so to raise more money and have it
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where that fund is there in perpetuity.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
That's outstanding. Yeah, you and your team doing a great
job of making a big difference in these kids' lives.
And you know, I can't turn on CBS Miami without
seeing either than that more trophy or that you know
something something with you and your foundation, or the high
school player of the Year or whatever it is. It's
all over the place. So it's great to see, but
I kind of want to go back here and back
to the Miami Edison days because you talk about seeing
that street sign right across from the gymnasum you used
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to hoop in. I just I'm picturing, like again, you know,
trying to put myself in that experience and like, you know,
thinking back to my high school days, like how cool
that would be to see that and how that would
impact every kid you know there after me. But for you,
I'm wondering, like, did you you know having that street
name that more way be there, Like you must kind
of take yourself back to those high school days and
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walking down that street right. I'm sure you spend a
lot of time there, And I'm just I guess I'm
trying to ask you when you when you reflect upon
what it is now versus what it was then, like
what kind of comes to mind?
Speaker 1 (30:53):
I think what comes to mind when I think about
that accolae is what a screw up I was, tacky
and how one athlete just showing up changed my life.
You know, the Miami Dolphins back in nineteen sixty six
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started the franchise and probably was the worst franchise in
football and nobody.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
Really wanted to go see him play. They weren't that competitive.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
And one of my math teachers got to know one
of the Dolphin players and just like we do where
we send players to schools, got him to come out
and he's speaking to the entire school and we're sitting
an auditorium and drivers them looking at him on the
stage and I'm just looking and I can't tell you
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today what he said. I was so meslenized by his size.
Then the only thing kept going through my mind is, Damn,
he's small. You know, he's a literald guy, you know,
because on TV, guys are larger than life.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
The guy's name was Jimmy Warren.
Speaker 1 (32:05):
And when Jimmy came off stage, I was like, Damn,
I'm big as he is right now. If he can
do it, I can do it. What do I need
to do to get to where he is? And that's
why that that thought is always in my head about
putting athletes with kids, because you never know the impression.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
It wasn't anything he's said, It was just him me seeing.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Him that said, if he can play pro ball, why
can't I. I just need to stay on the straight
and narrow and The funny part about that story is
five years later, I'm in the NFL. He's no longer
with the Miama Dolphins. I'm with the Miami Dolphins. I
run the opening kickoff back for a touchdown against the Raiders,
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and he's with the Raiders and he's the guy chasing me.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
And I was like, Jimmy, none of this would have
happened if you did.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
He talk about that afterwards, Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
It got to be really good friends with him.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Matter of fact, through the years, his wife at the
time is very close with my wife, so we have
a good relationship. But you never know what impression you
can make on young people by just showing up.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Right, And that's the whole idea behind the street sign, right,
is it brings attention to what you're doing, not to you. Necessarily,
it does, but that's not your goal. It brings the
attention to what you're doing, which is the most important
thing here. And this might be an obvious question and
answer no, but I feel like it needs to be asked.
You you're born and raised here. You mentioned leaving coming back.
You've spent so much of your your really most of
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your life here. What is it about the South Florida
community that's so special to you. You're mister South Florida.
Why is this area so special?
Speaker 1 (33:48):
I think it's to people. It's a melting pot of
the world, you know. I mean, you name the nationality,
they're here. And unlike back in the sixties and extens
when we had the race riots and all that going on,
everybody seems to get along. We have some issues. Every city,
every great city, has some issues. But overall, the one
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thing that I know about this community is when things
get tough, everybody comes together to help each other.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
And that's all you can ask.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
We're never going to agree on everything, but when things
get tough, you know, you talk about the pandemic, all
of a sudden, we're feeding everybody. Everybody's coming to the
table because we believe you get a hurricane. Same thing.
That's what's great about this community. We fight like brothers
and sisters. We don't agree, but when things get tough,
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we all come together for the betterment of the community.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
It's when you mentioned that I can all I can
think of is Jason Jenkins and the meals and everything,
all that stuff, and just how instrumental he was to
all that. Yeah, it's it's been cool for someone that
came here from you know, an outside perspective, from the
Pacific Northwest to come down and see all the impact
that you and yourself and Jason Jenkins had on the
Communit just really really cool stuff. I guess I'll end
with this, not what's next, what's coming up for them?
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Not more foundation? What can folks look forward to?
Speaker 1 (35:07):
I think it's just the same things. You know, if
the old saying, if it ain't broke, you don't fix it.
You know, you always try and grow it. So we'll
try and get more partners, more sponsors, take care more kids.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
The more money.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
We raise, the bigger the endowment becomes, the more students.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
You know.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
I go to an event in Montgomery, Alabama called the
Jimmy Rain Foundation. It's been going on twenty five years now,
and I don't know exactly how much money is in
that endowment. And this is a big event where mostly
SEC schools, old coaches, players, et cetera, all show up
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and it's a big fundraiser, a dinner and a golf outing.
They have in the last twenty five years set over
eight hundred and seventy some kids to the college of
their choice.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
The first year they did one well.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
So when I go and I see things like that,
the vision becomes why can't we do this? Why can't
we eventually have an endowment that's so big that kids
know that if they do things the right way, they
don't have a chance to apply and maybe get a
scholarship where they can go to the universe of their choice.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
So when you have these these thoughts and grandeur ideas,
who do you how do you get the ball rolling
on that? You've kind of got my brain curious here,
what's what's the process of Like they can do it?
Why can't I?
Speaker 3 (36:42):
What do you? What do you do?
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Then? Do next? Like what's the next step in the world.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
You spend more time with them figuring out how to
and then you you bring in your people, and then
you start to target the people that you know can
synergize the vision. You know, nobody does any thing by themselves,
you know, and without partners, without sponsors, without the celebrities,
(37:05):
the athletes showing up, without the the the vendors, you
got nothing.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
The question is how you get the ball in the
room for a cause? And the ones that.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Do that well succeed and is really able to do
a lot. And I can't thank the Miama Dolphins enough
for allowing me to bring my endowment fund into the
Mima Dolphins Foundation, because I did close down my foundation
and hopefully it'll be a part of the Miami Dolphins
(37:38):
Foundation forever. You know, when I think about it, I
wouldn't have it if it wasn't for the Miami Dolphins.
You know, I wouldn't. Wouldn't would have never had an
opportunity to do this. And who has more synergy, who
has more opportunities to grow things than the Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Well, it's a crowd to you for taking the platform
and running with it the way you did your entire
football and basketball career. You made the most out of
everything you could possibly do, so not more. We appreciate
your time today. Congratulations on the on the street renaming
Miami Edison High, and just everything you've done. It's really cool.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
Now.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
We appreciate your time today and thanks for joining us.
Thank you for having me a day of legends here
on the Draft Time Podcast, talking to Liz Jenkins, tom Garfinkel,
to Tony Wiley, Dave Hacken, of course Nat more right
there and for more on the nap more and down.
You can visit Miami Dolphins dot com to read all
about his foundation and what he does here for the community.
Not is a star player who's work and impacting the
(38:34):
community transcends the football field. So appreciate NAT's time on
the show today. Speaking of the time, that's gonna be
my time and it is the most wonderful time of year.
That's right. Miami Dolphins training camp right around the corner,
and you can reserve your tickets right now. The Dolphins
are back on the field for Back Together Weekend on
July twenty sixth, a Saturday first Dolphins practice open to
(38:57):
the fans in the public. The Dolphins will take Sunday
off and be back on the field for a Monday
practice on the twenty eighth, as well as the twenty
ninth and thirtieth, all open to the fans. After a
Thursday day off on the thirty first, Miami's right back
to work for the first second and third of August,
all those practices open to fans as well. The next
practice available to the fans August the sixth, and then
(39:19):
a pretty good gap there with the joint practices up
in Detroit and Chicago. Miami's back for three more practices
in front of the fans here at the Baptist Hill
Training Complex August eighteenth, August twentieth, and August twenty first.
That twenty first date is a joint practice against the
Jacksonville Jaguars. So July twenty sixth, July twenty eighth, twenty ninth, thirtieth,
August first, second and third August sixth, August nineteenth, August twentieth,
(39:44):
and August twenty first against the Jacksonville Jaguars. Book your
tickets now on Miami Dolphins dot com and please be
sure to subscribe to the podcast. Leave us a rating,
leave us a review. You can follow me on social
at Winkle NFL the team at Miami Dolphins. Check out
the YouTube channel for drive time content, Dolphins HQ, media availabilities,
and so much more and last button, not least, Miami
(40:05):
Dolphins dot com. Until next time finds up Caroline Cameron
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