April 22, 2025 • 38 mins
Travis and Kyle are back to conclude the draft preview ahead of Thursday. They’ll get into the rest of the Dolphins picks from rounds 2-7 and finish up with a Dolphins 7-round mock draft.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
What is up Dolphins and welcome to the Draft Time Podcast.
I am your host Travis Wingfield And on today's show,
part two of the Kyle Krabs Dolphins Draft Extravaganza preview
is coming your way. Next, we talked about the first pick,
number thirteen overall with a Dolphins stick in there and pick.
Will they move out, will they move up? What will
happen there? Let's go ahead and get into all the
(00:26):
Day two, Day three and final Dolphins roster discussions here
with Kyle Krabs from the Baptist Health Studios inside the
Baptist Health Training Complex. This is the Draft Time Podcast.
It is part two of the Kyle Krabs annual Dolphins
Draft Extravaganza on Draft Time Podcast, presented by Lockdown Dolphins Podcast.
(00:47):
Just trying to make the tyle as long as possible here, Kyle.
It's a forty two word title that we do on
the podcast here every single year. Kyle, welcome back in
my man. How we feel and how's the voice? Did
it get better over the last two minutes? No, we're
still We're still putting the old college try together.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
But that's okay. I feel good about our ability to
finish here on the mock.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I mean, I'm looking at a one two, three, four, five,
six seven page Excel sheet document that has all these
beautifully colored and sordid and grades. It's it's a work
of art. It's a masterpiece. It's a I'm sure a
six plus month labor of love for Kyle. And my
question for you is, Kyle, I know the work that
you do between freaking September to now to get ready
(01:27):
for this. The guy will text me at nine forty
eight pm clips of a two lane defensive tackle locking
out in two gaps, Like Kyle, go to bedman or
watch a movie or something. Nobody's watching football extra a
lot later than nine, Let's be honest. Sometimes sometimes they're
all throughout the day and I enjoy them everyone no
matter what time of day they are. But my question
for you is, Kyle, because as someone that got to
like post up for two straight drafts on night one
(01:48):
and just watch and like open a cold one and
be a fan and not cover the draft was kind
of fun. But I am excited to get back into
the first round like we were last year with Chopp.
What does draft weekend look like for you? Man? It's
got to be I'm guessing just as busy as the
work is beforehand.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah. So one of the things that I try to do.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
So that I have as robust and clean a picture
as of a possible for Locked On Dolphins with when
they make pick selections is I will update these boards
in real time as picks are made, so like names
will get grade out and crossed out, so at any
given point in the draft, I can look and say, hey,
here's where I think the value is.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
So in Miami picks.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
At thirteen, assuming they stay to pick thirteen, I'll know
unequivocally who my best player available was. So that way
I don't have to kind of take the catalog in
real time when I do the show. So I have
a live stream on Thursday night that I'm doing with
Locked On NFL Scouting, But the rest of it is
really going to be Dolphins focused in centric content with
(02:50):
stuff in real time, reacting to stuff as it happens,
making content around these picks as they're made. But I'm
going to live in this document that you're looking at
right now and updated in real time so that you
know it paints a real time picture of the draft
fold unfold as it unfolds.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
For the Dolphins specifically.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
We've come a long way.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Man.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
When I first got into the draft back in like
two thousand and three, I used to write down every
single pick in a composition notebook. For what reason, I
don't know. I just wanted to write them down and
act like I was doing something and tracking it back
in my high school days. Real quick to kind of
give a follow up from episode one, which if you
did not hear that, go back to Monday's Draft Time episode.
We talked about the Dolphins offseason approach cap all like
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all the stuff that you want to talk about from
an off season perspective, and we concluded it with the
Dolphins first round draft pick discussion. And in that we
did not get into Tyler Warren content because we talked
about seven defensive players and you did say there was
no player that would crack that seven player group as
a potential top of that group player. I'm curious, though,
because I'm looking at Tyler Warren here as a really
highly graded player on your board. Where would he factor
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into those seven players we talked about.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
So he he's right up there, this same grade as
Will Johnson.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
For me, Now.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
That's where you put those players into a tier, you
try to start to separate, you know, positional value kind
of becomes part of the conversation. I would defer to
if both were on the board, either Jday Baron or
Will Johnson over Tyler Warren because of the traditional positional value,
and then it is a bigger piece of meat. So
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that's kind of why I like that these are there's
an individual number grade, but it's also more focused on
a tier, so I can look within the tier and say, Okay,
what's the best possible solution of the same players who
fit within the tier.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
So Warren's in that tier.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
There would be some iterations of top twelves in which
Tyler Warren would probably be on the short list and
get more strong consideration for me, but it would have
to be a very hyper specific type of situation where
you probably get one quarterback in that scenario. You're probably
very offensive line light in the first twelve picks for
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that scenario where maybe you get Memboo and Will Campbell
or off the board and that's it for offensive linemen.
I like Josh Simmons from Ohio State a ton, but
with the medical questions there, I just I probably wouldn't
feel too comfortable without knowing a lot more of what
the teams know. Just me being somebody who's on the
outside looking in, I can't imagine that I would would say, Hey,
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you know Pat teller tendon issue, I feel really good
about that with you know, as good of a season
as he had. But if they may, if they were to,
in any situation, make that choice, you'd have to assume
if they're comfortable with what they found on the medical background.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Yeah, especially given Greer's comments about needing impact players from
this year's class. And that's probably gonna be in the
first round. Like you guy, get a guy that's gonna
play in this first round most most likely. Just real quick,
another quick aside because I'm looking at Ashton Genty here
and his Great Player's Tribune article. I'm sure you saw it,
like the quote of Time Football. If I were you,
I would take the guy they can't tackle like that
(06:04):
ys draft me. That was so cool? What about him?
Like he's a great player, right, but like the position value,
You've already got two good backs here, Like what do
you think about that idea?
Speaker 3 (06:16):
It's kind of the same thing as Tyler Warren for me,
where I can envision a World where if Ashton Genty,
he's my eighth rated player on the Dolphin specific board
and the names that are in front of him are
Travis Hunter, Abdol Carter, Jada Baron, Tyler, Warren Mason, Graham,
Will Johnson, and we mentioned Josh Simmons as a guy
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who I really like, but with the medical questions that
I have, I can't downgrade. Is great because the tape
and the resume is the tape in the resume, but
the risk versus reward at thirteen I probably wouldn't feel
comfortable with. And Genty's in the same tier and bucket anyway,
so it's not hard for me to imagine where where
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he is that the best player available, just authentically the
best player regardless of need. And if you make that decision,
then you know that would be my focus on it
and how do we make it work with the other
players that we have and what other solutions can you
find at the other spots where you have needs.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yeah, it's these conversations you have to have because, like
you said, there's hyper specific boards that could create situations
where you get solutions and maybe you weren't planning on,
so you have to have at least some type of
conversation around these potential options to make yourself prepared for
what could happen come draftneck, because it gets crazier every
single year. It seems like, Okay, Kyle, we've done enough
thirteenth pick talk. I think we have. Let's let's go
(07:34):
ahead and get into the second round. Here, we'll take
our first break. We've talked about the position needs. Chris
Career talked about him in his press conference, like it's
not really much of a mystery defensive tackle. You've got
some spots to fill there. Right now, we'll see about
the guard position that there's been a lot of talk
about Lea Meikenberg as a competition piece at that position,
which I have to imagine means another veteran or high
draft pick at that position. Safety, similar thing there, and
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then cornerback obviously, especially in a post Ramsey world if
and when they do get him traded off the roster.
So looking at those four spots, and really you can
go beyond that as well, but those four spots kind
of the key the keys to hone in on here
as you look at pick forty eight, like I'm seeing
a bunch of players in those position groups that would
kind of stack up in that glut you have there.
What are you looking for at that position and how
(08:16):
would it change based upon what could happen in round one,
be it Baron or Johnson versus Kenneth Grant versus Starks
and emon. Worry like, how does the first round impact
where you might go in terms of positional value in
that second round? Take us through pick forty eight.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Men, Yeah, I think the only thing that would be
off the board for me is potentially a double dip
with the first two picks. Now, there's some spots where
you could probably afford a double dip where you could
probably argue at corner if you double dip, then it
was Jday Baron and Benjamin Morrison, for example, the corner
from Notre Dame or Savon Revel from ECU, who was
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a player that's right up there in the top twenty.
But just like Josh Simmons has some medical background stuff
that probably not willing to commit the thirteenth overall picked.
But because of that and because the level of competition
maybe is there later and if you wanted to double
dip in that regard and kind of go to Vonte
Davis Sean Smith route from that draft class where the
(09:14):
Dolphins double dipped.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
On corners real early. I could get on board with
that kind of vision. Now.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
I think there's a lot of other foundation work that
has to be done in some other places, but generally speaking,
I would be surprised if you double dipped at thirteen
and forty eight. This is probably where you have potential
to find a needle moving player at offensive guard that
you're expecting to exclusively play offensive guard. I expect Gray's
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Abel from North Dakota State it's going to be gone.
But Donovan Jackson from Ohio State I think has a
chance to has a chance to be there. Jonas Savinaya
from Arizona has a chance to be there. Tate Ratleige
from Georgia probably will be there. And those are three
names at that spot that I look at and say, hey,
if you want invest in protecting your quarterback and getting
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a run game back on track, and getting more long
term security for your offensive line, and getting a cost
control player where all of a sudden, league average guards
are costing thirteen, fourteen, nineteen million dollars a season, which
he's all this year of agency, might not be a
bad idea to kind of that changes the stereotypes of
positional value for that position in the draft because the
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economics there have gone crazy the last two years.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Yeah. Man, I'm sitting here looking at your board thinking like,
oh yeah, when you first started answering that question, like
he's going to talk about defensive tackles because he's got
Tylee Williams at forty six, You've got Alfred Collins at
forty nine, Walter Nolan at fifty one, and then I
thought I had one more, but maybe I'm not seeing it.
But those that's three players that could be on the
board for you in that spot, and then I'm thinking
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you're going to talk about them. Then you talk about
offensive lineman and they're all there. But now I'm looking
at the cornerback spot too, and you've got guys right
there as well. So it's almost like to go back
to Chris Careers comments, like the draft does kind of
stack up nicely for you could want. So, I mean,
I don't know the question to ask because there's so
many permutations of how it could go at that position,
(11:08):
but it kind of sounds like, regardless, Mimi's going to
be in a position to get a guy at forty eight.
That could be a potential, you know, because like arianti Essery,
here is a Minnesota attack well Marcus and Bo from
Wake Forest as a guy that like, I think both
those guys could possibly kick inside and play guard too.
That could be part of that equation. Am I am?
I looking at this as a potential, like, can we
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try to find a way to get two picks in
this range because I kind of feel like there's a
lot of guys I like in this position.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Kyle, Yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Think in a perfect world you double the amount of
picks you make on day two because there's a lot
of potential for players. And you mentioned corner right where
if I skip the top four corners that I have
on the board, including Travis Hunter, I have Trey Amos
from Ole, miss Darian Porter from Iowa State, Benjamin Morrison
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from Notre Dame, Jacob Parish from Kansas State, Maxwell Harrison
from Kentucky, azari A Thomas from Florida State. That's kind
of like a collective tier of talent. That's six names
at corner. Now, not all of them are gonna be there,
but you mean to tell me all six are gonna
be gone? And even if all six are gone, then
you say, okay, defensive tackle, it's Tyler Williams, it's Alfred Collins,
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it's Walter Nolan. I would put Darius Alexander from Toledo
in that same bucket as well, So now I got
four names there, and if all those in all the
corners are gone, then you shift your focus to the
offensive line, and it's Donovan Jackson. Predictively speaking, I have
grayz Abel in this bucket, but I think he and
Tyler Booker will be gone. So it's Donovan Jackson. It's
Tate Ratledge, It's Jonas Savignaya, it's ariantay Erserie, It's Marcus
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Imbo who can play guarder center on the interior for you,
I think Charles Grant from William and Mary is probably
a little bit more of a projection as a smaller
school guy. Maybe you don't want to take that extra
bisk but I would put him in that bucket as well,
and that's Jackson, Grant, Ratledge. Savina remarks, that's six. So
that's sixteen names between guard, defensive tackling corner. We didn't
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talk about safety yet, so it really does stack what
in a perfect world you could give me two picks
in the forties and fifties, you can give me a
pick in the seventies, and you can give me a
pick at ninety eight. And I think you have a
chance to really gobble up a bunch of players. Now,
I think the thing that does out of everything we
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just presented, the biggest thing that I would point to
is at the safety position. The star semen or a
tier is a tier all in and of its own.
And then I think you have a Xavier Watson Andrew
mccouba for me, is the next tier down. But where
you have a lot of interchangeable and similar value kind
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of pushes closer to ninety eight in my opinion. Where
now that's Lathan Ransom and Jonash Sanker and Kevin Winston
and Jalen Reed and Billy Bowman, and you put Craig
Woodson and Malachi Moore in that bucket as well. Caleb
Ransaw has corner safety capability. Marcus Siegel from Kansas State
has corner safety capability. Where you talking about ninety eight
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or one sixteen, So that that depth and that's where
the sweet spot is for safety. So if you're not
gonna go like needle moving difference maker early. I think
instead of plucking one at forty eight, unless it's too
good to be true player it's available, just trust that
that run, you're not going to miss the entirety that run,
and you'll have somebody a.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Little later on.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
I think that shakes up quite nicely for pick forty
eight and ninety eight. We kind of discussed both those
there and that one question. Let's go ahead and take
a break right there, come back and discuss day three,
and we'll conclude the podcast with a Kyle Krabs mock draft.
We've already taken our first pick in the first round.
All round out, round two, two, three, and beyond for
you guys here with Kyle on the show Draft Time Podcast,
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guest today, Kyle Krabs locked on Dolphins Podcast talking all
things Dolphins Draft, and Yeah, man, like, just looking at
that list and the discussion about the players in that
grouping like it kind of sounds like if somebody were
and the Chicago Bears are a team that has two
picks in the forties and maybe could want to get
back into that first round. I don't know what their
approach would be. But that's like, that's one team that
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could do it. It sounds like you might be willing
Kyle to get out of the first round altogether based
upon what you have here in this list between you know,
picks twenty five through eighty.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Really, yeah, I think there's there is a world that
exists where the player that's on the board at thirteen.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Is too good to pass up. Yeah, But.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
When the conversation becomes the opportunity cost to move out
of that player at potentially, you know, if it's a
team that's in the top three that passes on a
quarterback and wants to come back up and get in
front of Pittsburgh. Hypothetically Cleveland has thirty three, sixty seven,
ninety four, one oh four. The Giants have thirty four,
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sixty five and ninety nine and one oh five. And
you know, so you're talking about potentially moving back twenty spots.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
That's a big drop.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
But if it's giving you the picks in this range,
and there's future draft implications that comes as a result
of that as well, with twenty twenty six draft capital,
I would be listening. Now, I'm not guaranteeing that I
would do it, but you can either try to incrementally
slide your way down, or you can get a team
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that's really desperate that that is going to give you
the Day two picks you want now and something big
in the future. And if if you get that, then,
especially if that team's already made a pick in the
top three and got like a needle moving player elsewhere,
I would listen to those phone calls for sure.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
And as it stands, a chance to get three impact
players in those first three picks, the top one hundred
of this year's draft, and at positions of need to
it seems like so a pretty good stacked board here
for us going into date number three. And we'll go
ahead and make those picks at the end of the
podcast here from Kyle. But let's go ahead and pivot
on to the third day of the draft. In a
Saturday morning, some folks might have some draft fatigue. The
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real ball knower's, the real fans of the draft will
be sticking around for all four rounds on Saturday. As
we get into pick one sixteen, which would be the
thirteenth pick made on Day three, and I'm looking at
this list here, you've got a couple of the guys
we just talked about. You've got some interior defensive linemen,
some receivers, even some more corners in this range. Kyle,
you look at the third day and you know, based
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upon all the stuff you just discussed for the first
three picks and maybe you scratch off three of the
need you have, is this where you start thinking about
just taking the best player, regardless of positions, because like,
this is the time where it comes to like you
can't really you know, parse your needs. It's like, just
take the best player because this is kind of a
not a crap shoot, but it's tough to find hits
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at this late in the draft.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
I kind of struggle with this, whether it's a part
of me that says Day three is where you should
shift your focus to addressing your needs to get more
bodies in and then maybe you compliment that with veteran
players and hope that develops talent. But I look at
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tight end, running back. We didn't talk about these positions
at all, but they're kind of ancillary or complimentary players
that Dolphins probably need another body at least at running back,
you know, with with Raheem Moster and Jeff Wilson being gone,
and off the roster. Uh, another back that you know,
Alexander Madison that's not a big financial commitment to so
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you know he's gonna have to compete for his spot.
I think you need some more competition. Day three, with
those picks is the perfect kind of place to do
something like that.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
I think that you're you're.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Getting into appropriate window to have another swing of the
bat at the quarterback position as well, to bring in
a third quarterback. I don't I don't think the Dolphins
should roster just two quarters in season. I think they
would benefit from having a third guy that they carry
with confidence and is a cost control player at the position.
And on Day three, you're kind of in the point
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where you're expected return on investment for those picks is
diminished automatically just because of where you're at in the draft.
So having somebody who has some traits that you like
and you want to get in house makes all the
sense in the world to me. So there's a part
of me that says, hey find the needle moving players
because they will find their way on the field early
and then, like defensive tackle, you're going to need more
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than one body there. So draft for need on Day
three and get a player that's a role or skill
specific player, whether that's an Ane as Peoples as a
penetration type player, or a Zier Stackhouse as a gap
control kind of player on the interior. Like, and there's
a bunch of examples of those kinds of players from
top to bottom.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Yeah, especially when you when you factor in, you know,
to your point, the competition come training camp, like, these
are guys that could be carving out role is two
hundred three hundred snap takers like we saw last year
with the concept of you know, Tier Tart, Jonathan Harris,
Neville Gallimore, all the guys they brought in to kind
of fill out those roles, and those guys didn't wind
up making the team and you wind up going Benito
Jones to Sean Hand. Is your kind of rotational pieces there,
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And you know, when I look at this part of
the draft, like to your point, we have you know,
three of the ten picks from the top one hundred,
but seven picks on day three, it's a good time
to like, Hey, I liked a couple of these guys.
Let's just get him both in here and have him
compete and the best man wins, right, Like to kind
of how you build that competition environment and get the
best team on the field. I guess, so, okay, that's picks.
That's that's in the fourth round range. We kind of
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move here into the fifth round here, and I think
this is where you start, at least on your board,
entertain the idea of a position we have not talked
about yet in the quarterback spot. Which guy of these
quarterbacks Kyle and where would they go? Do you think
is the best fit for a Dolphins developmental piece behind
two of the starter and Zach Wilson the backup.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
I think Kyle McCord from Syracuse is the best style
stick player. The question is does he sneak into the
top one hundred? Could you get him at one sixteen?
I don't know that you'd see him get into the
picks in the one fifties that Miami currently scheduled to pick.
I think he's the best parallel player. I do like
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Will Howard from Ohio State a ton and what I
like about Will other than there's some mobility and size
and arm strength there. He had a willingness this year
to let and develop chemistry with his receivers and let
those guys go make plays down the field. And when
you're not a precision oriented backup court, or when you're
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not a precision oriented starter, where the scheme is tailored
for you, if you're gonna get a backup that's gonna
go in there and they're gonna say, hey, i'm gonna
trust my really talented wide receivers to go make plays
on the ball and give him a chance. I think
that's a better world to live in than to say
I don't see it clean, I'm not gonna throw it,
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and I'm gonna take negative plays. So I think, well,
and Will's got a great demeanor. If if you're a
ViBe's oriented scout, you like a guy's like the aura,
as the kids say, I think Will's Will really carries
himself impressively. Dylan Gabriel Obviously as a left hander, there's
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some benefits to having another left hander in the scheme
when the starter is oriented to be a left hander
and how that works, and Mike McDaniels talked about that
at length and if even if you wanted to wait
till later, a little later, like one of these picks
in the seventh round, I really like Cam Miller from
North Dakota State.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
I think he's a.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Gamer type, has some mobility, has enough arm strength. He's
not gonna blow you away with his arm, but man,
he operated that offense at North Dakota State at a
pretty high level.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
So just talking about what that third quarterback if he
were to be drafted, looks like for the Dolphins in
terms of his like arrive and developmental plan. Like, we've
had guys in the past that were, you know, long
shots to make a roster right James Blackman comes to
mind as a guy from the Florida State quarterback that
was out here for a while and had a chance.
Who was a guy last year I forget his name. Jeez. Yeah,
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I guess we'll come back to that at some point later.
But essentially they were guys that you you kind of
had a feeling like he's trying to get reps, you know,
for the next team, almost because there's there's depth here
at this position. But if you draft a guy in
this range and it is a Will Howard or it
is a Kyle McCord or even someone on you know,
in the seventh round, what does it look like for
that player to come here when you like two was
the entrench starter. Obviously, Zach Wilson's being paid and will
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be the backup, but most likely unless you know, it's
a crazy camp for the rookie, what does it look
like for that rookie who's coming here basically trying to
just like you know, drink through a fire hose of
NFL offense and getting ready for the season.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Yeah, I think part of that is is the benefits.
And you got a little bit of look at this
with quit Bell during hard knocks, but young player that
can be on the run the look squad, you get
reps that way too, right, So by running the opposing
team stuff on installs throughout the week. I don't think
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it's super sustainable for the Dolphins to have a second
quarterback contract with Tua and then continue to pay veteran
backup quarterbacks like in the ballpark. So you're you're looking
to almost kind of have.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
A succession in place for Zach Wilson.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
And I know that they deferred some of the cap
commitments from that year into future years where if they
were to sign Zach Wilson to an extension if things
go really well, or if he has to play and
he plays well and they want to go that direction.
They have some flexibility there, but to invent like Zach
Wilson was the second biggest contract the Dolphins gave out
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in free agency, So when you look at it like that,
you really got to sit here and ask yourself, like,
how sustainable is that? And unfortunately with some of the
durability stuff, that's the world that the Dolphins have to
live in right now. But I think you would be
far better suited looking for one or two other players
elsewhere on the roster that have a lot of positional
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versatility so that you have the extra spot on the
fifty three and then get that other player in and
then you kind of have a year to decide like, hey,
we saw how he took the offense. We don't have
to pay another veteran quarterback because this guy grasped our
offense and executed what we asked in execue throughout the
course of the season.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
So it's more of like cause oftentimes I feel like
fans like and the Joe Milton example will be the
one that you can use for this. Fans will be like,
if you take a quarterback and you play as well,
like you can trade him for high draft picks it's like,
you know, maybe once upon time, but like people aren't
coming up for second round draft picks for AJ Feeley anymore.
That's just not happening anymore. So like I feel like
the investment of it is like for future of your own. Uh,
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you're cashing out the ro I down the road, hopefully
on your own in the future. Good stuff there, Kyle.
Let's go ahead and finish this segment with this. You've
you sent me so many clips of guys that I'm like,
oh that we're watching you know, Marshall tape today or
watching Elon tape today, whatever it might be. Is are
two pretty different schools. But give me some of the
guys that stood out to you that you think could
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be available beyond that fifth round Day three prospects, maybe
even in that fifth round as well. But just talk
to me about some of the sleepers that you have
as favorites.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Yeah, I'll go with the one I most recently was
blowing your phone up about, which is JJ Roberts from Marshall.
He's got a ton of pop, he's got some good
striking ability as a tackler, He's got a lot of range.
He can be that guy that plays high in the post,
but he can fit the run.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
I think he's he's.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Somebody who will benefit from being a little bit more
calculated with some of his angles when he runs from
death to support.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
With the run, there's sometimes where that gets the better
of him.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
And he's a former corner from wake Forest, so really
only started playing safety once he got the marshall two
years ago. So you see some transitional stuff with him
where I think he can see things faster and that
should come with more reps in time and the context
that he has as a player who really only made
that switch recently, it gives you a little bit of
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context as to why maybe he's not seeing it as
fast as he could if he was going to make
a bunch more plays on the football. So players like that,
players that had a position change late in their career
and it's kind of allowed them to amplify some more
of their traits. But you're looking for them to, hey,
let's can you level up your game? Can you see
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things faster? Can you jump that rounte a little quicker?
Can you actually cut that route instand the nuts is
meeting the ball at the catchpoint? Like that's the kind
of story where you see why it is the way
it is and say, Okay, I think this guy has
another gear to tap into with this position that he's playing.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Now love it, man.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
He was, to your point, fun to watch, brought a
lot of that juice checks a lot of the boxes
you talked about in terms of getting more athletic, getting
more kind of just dogs on defense, and being faster,
more athletic, a little bit more physical and violent, good
stuff all around. Let's take our last break right there,
come back on the other side and pay it off.
We'll go ahead and have Kyle make picks beyond the
first round. We already have Jday Baron from Texas slotted
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into that spot for Kyle on his mock draft. Here.
We'll finish that out next Draft Time podcast, brought to
you by Auto Nation. All Right, the time has come.
The next time you hear from me on the show
will be talking about a first round draft pick. And Kyle,
I'm gonna give you some liberties here to adjust as
you see fit. You're the one that's been just inundated
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in the stuff for the last several months and really
for the last decade plus with draft content. But I
will give you the liberty to see how the board
shakes out in terms of how you have it graded,
to make the picks that you feel are possibly justifiable
with that player making it there, the floor is yours.
Let's go ahead and just get out of the way.
We already talked about today baron a lot on yesterday's podcast.
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So that's the pick at thirteen, correct, Yes, okay, cool,
So we're done there, Pick thirteen, done. Cornerback in the
bag at pick forty eight. Give me the guy that
you're looking at here that could be on the board
for us.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
So my heart is telling me to pick out for
Collins and go defensive tackle, but I'm not gonna do that.
I am going And the reason why is as I'm
looking at the horizontal board and I count names at
defensive tackle that I see in rounds three. In rounds four,
I have one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve.
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I have twelve names in rounds three and four at
defensive tackle. If I look, I have one name maybe
two in the third round at offensive guard. So the
discrepancy that exists between what should be available even if
a run has happens at defensive tackle, I should still
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like my options more at ninety eight there and you're
getting into role specific players. You get undersized penetration guys,
you get run stuffers that are are rick houses that
are hard to move.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
You. You can find him.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
So I'm gonna go with Jonas sab and I the
offensive lineman from Arizona picked number forty eight. I think
that that's a big time Neino mover. Him and Austin
Jackson playing next to each other. Oh my goodness of
the ball.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
I love it, man. I love that pick. I love
the first two round picks you made already that this
football team has already gotten better based upon your draft.
And this is why horizontal bards matter. We just we
just talked about this and it already pays off as
you go ahead and take a look at yours and say,
I have a d tackle here I love, but I
know I've got someone later on the draft that I
could also, you know, learn to love or maybe like
a little bit. And it gets me a guard that
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I love where I don't have that option later on.
And I guess my follow up question would be this, Kyle,
because you talk about, you know, getting some role specific
players at defensive tackle position. You know, like we see
the depth of defensive tackle behind Zach and Bdito Jones
as eating bodies. But because you have Zach, does that
kind of change the way you view that? Because if
you were, like, you know, maybe you had like the
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safety group where it's like deeper than it is top heavy,
maybe you do inject that with a first round pick.
But because you have Zach Seeler, who can play nine
hundred snaps at four positions, does that change the way
you view the defensive tackle need because he's so good?
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Yeah, And I think you know, Kalais Campbell was on
a snap count last year, and then years before that
it was Christian Wilkins was playing nine hundred snaps and
Zach was playing eight point fifty and then they carried
four and it was like Raykwon Davis was the nose
that came in You had one of the backup guy
who played like ten snaps a game, So life is
a little different. But still having a volume snap player
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like a Zach Sealer, I certainly think changes the perspective
there quite a bit. So I am gonna go with
Savi Andaya expecting that there's gonna be a name there,
and I know what I'm eyeing for pick number ninety eight,
and it's it's gonna help that group on the defensive front.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Okay, well that's a change from the previous discussion we
talked about this is a good spot being a good
spot for a safety. So sounds like we're run back
to defensive tackle at pick ninety eight.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Yeah, so we're gonna go.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
It's gonna be Jday Baron at thirteen, it's gonna be
Jonas Savina at forty eight, and then I'm gonna go
with Jordan Phillips defensive tackle for Maryland. Not that Jordan Phillips,
but he relax.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
It's is one of the youngest players in the draft.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
He's red shirt sophomore that declared and went to the
Shrine and has a ton of athletic potential. But getting
to see him up close in the Shrine, he is built.
He's built like a three hundred and ten pounds Deshawan
hand where just very dense top to bottom, very thick
kind of frame. I think he can play some odd
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front end and I think he can play in the
A gaps for you as well as as an early
down guy.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
I love it. So I think we've made the foot
ball team better for the first three picks. I think
all three of those guys. I think you've got two
surefire stars and your first two picks. I think the
third pick is going to be a heavy rotational guy
as well. So you've done a great job so far.
How about as we get on today three here early
in the third day, pick one sixteen, where we going.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
So one one sixteen, I am going to stay at
defensive tackle and I'm gonna draft Ty Robinson from Nebraska.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
He is.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
First team All Motor, try hard, his tape is awesome.
He's not a big time pass rusher, but he's a
big time like line of scrimmage compression player. But I
think with the Dolphins and their their rest of their
pass rush group, between Zach and the guys that they
have on the edge, and what Jordan Brooks has and
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can bring to the table, and now you add Willie
Gay into that mix, like, I think you have enough
other dynamic pieces where I'm not really sweating, like, hey,
we need two pass rusher types at defensive tackle. So
I'm gonna double dip and go Jordan Phillips and Ty
Robinson with ninety eight and one sixteen to kind of
help out the interior defensive line.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
There's your defensive tackle. Double dip in your depth at
that position, Kyle, we've got about four minutes left. Let's
go ahead and get through. Uh picks one thirty five
and one or yeah, one thirty five, one fifty, one
fifty five here if you can, all.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Right, So one thirty five I am going to go with.
Let's go the safety here. Let's go Billy Bowman from Oklahoma.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Fe.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
I love this draft so much.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
So there's some concern.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
About the tackling it's twenty five percent career mistackle rate,
but the ability to make plays on the ball and coverage.
I think it's a great player to Addie many plays
super chip. He's got a big time tche too, So
I like that a lot.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Yeah. I think that's that that helps the tackling down
the road.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
So that's at least one fifty and one fifty five.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Yes, I will go with.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
Tight end to Jay Kanyers from Texas Tech at one p.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Fifty.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
This is if you miss Tyler Warren. He does some
similar things at Texas Tech. He was at Arizona State.
They have a direct snap package for him. Used to
be a high school quarterback, like really good athlete. I
think Mike McDaniel could get a lot of run out
of him. And then I will go with the quarterback
O go Dylan Gabriel from Oregon at one to fifty five.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
There you go. The needs are checking off the list.
You got your developmental quarterback, you got your big tight end. There,
give me your three picks on date on in the
seventh round, Cole, and I'm sure there's a receiver here
that I'm looking at that you like a lot.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
I'm gonna go Jackson Meeks with one of those picks,
a big bodied wide receiver from Syracuse, so I'll add
him into the mix.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
I will add.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Let's go into zer stackhouse nose tackle, true nose tackle
from Georgia. I think that's a it's a low volume
snap taker, but you know you really didn't get that
with either of the other two players are a little
bit more hybrid type players. And then the last pick
I'll go, I'll go back to the offensive line and
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draft Connor Colby from Iowa, who is a tailor made
wide zone type of player to compete for a roster.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Spot and You're getting a guy that fits the system
in that spot that you can develop long term. So
I love that. Jday Baron, Jonas Savinaya, Jordan Phillips, Ty Robinson.
You're back to back defensive tackles. Safety Billy Bowman Jr.
Tied end Jalen Conyers, quarterback, Dylan Gabriel, wide receiver Jackson Meeks.
We come back for a third defensive tackle, a nose
tackle in Azier Stackhouse and Connor Colby out of Iowa. Kyle,
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you killed it, man. We appreciate your time. We have
one minute left in the show, so I'll go ahead
and get you out of here. Have you seen the
video of Chris Fowler taking on the throat regiment that
go take one of those. I ressed up that voice,
my friend. You've been You've recorded probably what forty thousand
words worth of content today, So appreciate your time at
Kyle Crabs on Social Lockdown, Dolphins podcast, Touchdown Miami, on
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NFL Scouting, as well as the thirty third team Draft League. Kyle,
you're the man. Appreciate dude. Thanks Travis and the way
he goes and away we go until Thursday night. We'll
hear for you guys, or you will hear from me rather,
I should say, after the Dolphins make their pick, the
whole night comes to an end, We'll have coverage on
pick thirteen. We'll have coverage on the McDaniel Greer joint
press conference after the first round is over, and take
a look at round two. On Friday, we'll go over
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the second third round pick the press conference again and
do the same thing for Day three and run it
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What is up Dolphins and welcome to the Draft Time Podcast.
I am your host Travis Wingfield And on today's show,
part two of the Kyle Krabs Dolphins Draft Extravaganza preview
is coming your way. Next, we talked about the first pick,
number thirteen overall with a Dolphins stick in there and pick.
Will they move out, will they move up? What will
happen there? Let's go ahead and get into all the
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Day two, Day three and final Dolphins roster discussions here
with Kyle Krabs from the Baptist Health Studios inside the
Baptist Health Training Complex. This is the Draft Time Podcast.
It is part two of the Kyle Krabs annual Dolphins
Draft Extravaganza on Draft Time Podcast, presented by Lockdown Dolphins Podcast.
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Just trying to make the tyle as long as possible here, Kyle.
It's a forty two word title that we do on
the podcast here every single year. Kyle, welcome back in
my man. How we feel and how's the voice? Did
it get better over the last two minutes? No, we're
still We're still putting the old college try together.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
But that's okay. I feel good about our ability to
finish here on the mock.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I mean, I'm looking at a one two, three, four, five,
six seven page Excel sheet document that has all these
beautifully colored and sordid and grades. It's it's a work
of art. It's a masterpiece. It's a I'm sure a
six plus month labor of love for Kyle. And my
question for you is, Kyle, I know the work that
you do between freaking September to now to get ready
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for this. The guy will text me at nine forty
eight pm clips of a two lane defensive tackle locking
out in two gaps, Like Kyle, go to bedman or
watch a movie or something. Nobody's watching football extra a
lot later than nine, Let's be honest. Sometimes sometimes they're
all throughout the day and I enjoy them everyone no
matter what time of day they are. But my question
for you is, Kyle, because as someone that got to
like post up for two straight drafts on night one
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and just watch and like open a cold one and
be a fan and not cover the draft was kind
of fun. But I am excited to get back into
the first round like we were last year with Chopp.
What does draft weekend look like for you? Man? It's
got to be I'm guessing just as busy as the
work is beforehand.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah. So one of the things that I try to do.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
So that I have as robust and clean a picture
as of a possible for Locked On Dolphins with when
they make pick selections is I will update these boards
in real time as picks are made, so like names
will get grade out and crossed out, so at any
given point in the draft, I can look and say, hey,
here's where I think the value is.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
So in Miami picks.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
At thirteen, assuming they stay to pick thirteen, I'll know
unequivocally who my best player available was. So that way
I don't have to kind of take the catalog in
real time when I do the show. So I have
a live stream on Thursday night that I'm doing with
Locked On NFL Scouting, But the rest of it is
really going to be Dolphins focused in centric content with
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stuff in real time, reacting to stuff as it happens,
making content around these picks as they're made. But I'm
going to live in this document that you're looking at
right now and updated in real time so that you
know it paints a real time picture of the draft
fold unfold as it unfolds.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
For the Dolphins specifically.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
We've come a long way.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Man.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
When I first got into the draft back in like
two thousand and three, I used to write down every
single pick in a composition notebook. For what reason, I
don't know. I just wanted to write them down and
act like I was doing something and tracking it back
in my high school days. Real quick to kind of
give a follow up from episode one, which if you
did not hear that, go back to Monday's Draft Time episode.
We talked about the Dolphins offseason approach cap all like
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all the stuff that you want to talk about from
an off season perspective, and we concluded it with the
Dolphins first round draft pick discussion. And in that we
did not get into Tyler Warren content because we talked
about seven defensive players and you did say there was
no player that would crack that seven player group as
a potential top of that group player. I'm curious, though,
because I'm looking at Tyler Warren here as a really
highly graded player on your board. Where would he factor
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into those seven players we talked about.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
So he he's right up there, this same grade as
Will Johnson.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
For me, Now.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
That's where you put those players into a tier, you
try to start to separate, you know, positional value kind
of becomes part of the conversation. I would defer to
if both were on the board, either Jday Baron or
Will Johnson over Tyler Warren because of the traditional positional value,
and then it is a bigger piece of meat. So
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that's kind of why I like that these are there's
an individual number grade, but it's also more focused on
a tier, so I can look within the tier and say, Okay,
what's the best possible solution of the same players who
fit within the tier.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
So Warren's in that tier.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
There would be some iterations of top twelves in which
Tyler Warren would probably be on the short list and
get more strong consideration for me, but it would have
to be a very hyper specific type of situation where
you probably get one quarterback in that scenario. You're probably
very offensive line light in the first twelve picks for
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that scenario where maybe you get Memboo and Will Campbell
or off the board and that's it for offensive linemen.
I like Josh Simmons from Ohio State a ton, but
with the medical questions there, I just I probably wouldn't
feel too comfortable without knowing a lot more of what
the teams know. Just me being somebody who's on the
outside looking in, I can't imagine that I would would say, Hey,
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you know Pat teller tendon issue, I feel really good
about that with you know, as good of a season
as he had. But if they may, if they were to,
in any situation, make that choice, you'd have to assume
if they're comfortable with what they found on the medical background.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Yeah, especially given Greer's comments about needing impact players from
this year's class. And that's probably gonna be in the
first round. Like you guy, get a guy that's gonna
play in this first round most most likely. Just real quick,
another quick aside because I'm looking at Ashton Genty here
and his Great Player's Tribune article. I'm sure you saw it,
like the quote of Time Football. If I were you,
I would take the guy they can't tackle like that
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ys draft me. That was so cool? What about him?
Like he's a great player, right, but like the position value,
You've already got two good backs here, Like what do
you think about that idea?
Speaker 3 (06:16):
It's kind of the same thing as Tyler Warren for me,
where I can envision a World where if Ashton Genty,
he's my eighth rated player on the Dolphin specific board
and the names that are in front of him are
Travis Hunter, Abdol Carter, Jada Baron, Tyler, Warren Mason, Graham,
Will Johnson, and we mentioned Josh Simmons as a guy
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who I really like, but with the medical questions that
I have, I can't downgrade. Is great because the tape
and the resume is the tape in the resume, but
the risk versus reward at thirteen I probably wouldn't feel
comfortable with. And Genty's in the same tier and bucket anyway,
so it's not hard for me to imagine where where
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he is that the best player available, just authentically the
best player regardless of need. And if you make that decision,
then you know that would be my focus on it
and how do we make it work with the other
players that we have and what other solutions can you
find at the other spots where you have needs.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yeah, it's these conversations you have to have because, like
you said, there's hyper specific boards that could create situations
where you get solutions and maybe you weren't planning on,
so you have to have at least some type of
conversation around these potential options to make yourself prepared for
what could happen come draftneck, because it gets crazier every
single year. It seems like, Okay, Kyle, we've done enough
thirteenth pick talk. I think we have. Let's let's go
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ahead and get into the second round. Here, we'll take
our first break. We've talked about the position needs. Chris
Career talked about him in his press conference, like it's
not really much of a mystery defensive tackle. You've got
some spots to fill there. Right now, we'll see about
the guard position that there's been a lot of talk
about Lea Meikenberg as a competition piece at that position,
which I have to imagine means another veteran or high
draft pick at that position. Safety, similar thing there, and
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then cornerback obviously, especially in a post Ramsey world if
and when they do get him traded off the roster.
So looking at those four spots, and really you can
go beyond that as well, but those four spots kind
of the key the keys to hone in on here
as you look at pick forty eight, like I'm seeing
a bunch of players in those position groups that would
kind of stack up in that glut you have there.
What are you looking for at that position and how
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would it change based upon what could happen in round one,
be it Baron or Johnson versus Kenneth Grant versus Starks
and emon. Worry like, how does the first round impact
where you might go in terms of positional value in
that second round? Take us through pick forty eight.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Men, Yeah, I think the only thing that would be
off the board for me is potentially a double dip
with the first two picks. Now, there's some spots where
you could probably afford a double dip where you could
probably argue at corner if you double dip, then it
was Jday Baron and Benjamin Morrison, for example, the corner
from Notre Dame or Savon Revel from ECU, who was
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a player that's right up there in the top twenty.
But just like Josh Simmons has some medical background stuff
that probably not willing to commit the thirteenth overall picked.
But because of that and because the level of competition
maybe is there later and if you wanted to double
dip in that regard and kind of go to Vonte
Davis Sean Smith route from that draft class where the
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Dolphins double dipped.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
On corners real early. I could get on board with
that kind of vision. Now.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
I think there's a lot of other foundation work that
has to be done in some other places, but generally speaking,
I would be surprised if you double dipped at thirteen
and forty eight. This is probably where you have potential
to find a needle moving player at offensive guard that
you're expecting to exclusively play offensive guard. I expect Gray's
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Abel from North Dakota State it's going to be gone.
But Donovan Jackson from Ohio State I think has a
chance to has a chance to be there. Jonas Savinaya
from Arizona has a chance to be there. Tate Ratleige
from Georgia probably will be there. And those are three
names at that spot that I look at and say, hey,
if you want invest in protecting your quarterback and getting
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a run game back on track, and getting more long
term security for your offensive line, and getting a cost
control player where all of a sudden, league average guards
are costing thirteen, fourteen, nineteen million dollars a season, which
he's all this year of agency, might not be a
bad idea to kind of that changes the stereotypes of
positional value for that position in the draft because the
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economics there have gone crazy the last two years.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Yeah. Man, I'm sitting here looking at your board thinking like,
oh yeah, when you first started answering that question, like
he's going to talk about defensive tackles because he's got
Tylee Williams at forty six, You've got Alfred Collins at
forty nine, Walter Nolan at fifty one, and then I
thought I had one more, but maybe I'm not seeing it.
But those that's three players that could be on the
board for you in that spot, and then I'm thinking
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you're going to talk about them. Then you talk about
offensive lineman and they're all there. But now I'm looking
at the cornerback spot too, and you've got guys right
there as well. So it's almost like to go back
to Chris Careers comments, like the draft does kind of
stack up nicely for you could want. So, I mean,
I don't know the question to ask because there's so
many permutations of how it could go at that position,
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but it kind of sounds like, regardless, Mimi's going to
be in a position to get a guy at forty eight.
That could be a potential, you know, because like arianti Essery,
here is a Minnesota attack well Marcus and Bo from
Wake Forest as a guy that like, I think both
those guys could possibly kick inside and play guard too.
That could be part of that equation. Am I am?
I looking at this as a potential, like, can we
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try to find a way to get two picks in
this range because I kind of feel like there's a
lot of guys I like in this position.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Kyle, Yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Think in a perfect world you double the amount of
picks you make on day two because there's a lot
of potential for players. And you mentioned corner right where
if I skip the top four corners that I have
on the board, including Travis Hunter, I have Trey Amos
from Ole, miss Darian Porter from Iowa State, Benjamin Morrison
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from Notre Dame, Jacob Parish from Kansas State, Maxwell Harrison
from Kentucky, azari A Thomas from Florida State. That's kind
of like a collective tier of talent. That's six names
at corner. Now, not all of them are gonna be there,
but you mean to tell me all six are gonna
be gone? And even if all six are gone, then
you say, okay, defensive tackle, it's Tyler Williams, it's Alfred Collins,
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it's Walter Nolan. I would put Darius Alexander from Toledo
in that same bucket as well, So now I got
four names there, and if all those in all the
corners are gone, then you shift your focus to the
offensive line, and it's Donovan Jackson. Predictively speaking, I have
grayz Abel in this bucket, but I think he and
Tyler Booker will be gone. So it's Donovan Jackson. It's
Tate Ratledge, It's Jonas Savignaya, it's ariantay Erserie, It's Marcus
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Imbo who can play guarder center on the interior for you,
I think Charles Grant from William and Mary is probably
a little bit more of a projection as a smaller
school guy. Maybe you don't want to take that extra
bisk but I would put him in that bucket as well,
and that's Jackson, Grant, Ratledge. Savina remarks, that's six. So
that's sixteen names between guard, defensive tackling corner. We didn't
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talk about safety yet, so it really does stack what
in a perfect world you could give me two picks
in the forties and fifties, you can give me a
pick in the seventies, and you can give me a
pick at ninety eight. And I think you have a
chance to really gobble up a bunch of players. Now,
I think the thing that does out of everything we
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just presented, the biggest thing that I would point to
is at the safety position. The star semen or a
tier is a tier all in and of its own.
And then I think you have a Xavier Watson Andrew
mccouba for me, is the next tier down. But where
you have a lot of interchangeable and similar value kind
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of pushes closer to ninety eight in my opinion. Where
now that's Lathan Ransom and Jonash Sanker and Kevin Winston
and Jalen Reed and Billy Bowman, and you put Craig
Woodson and Malachi Moore in that bucket as well. Caleb
Ransaw has corner safety capability. Marcus Siegel from Kansas State
has corner safety capability. Where you talking about ninety eight
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or one sixteen, So that that depth and that's where
the sweet spot is for safety. So if you're not
gonna go like needle moving difference maker early. I think
instead of plucking one at forty eight, unless it's too
good to be true player it's available, just trust that
that run, you're not going to miss the entirety that run,
and you'll have somebody a.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Little later on.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
I think that shakes up quite nicely for pick forty
eight and ninety eight. We kind of discussed both those
there and that one question. Let's go ahead and take
a break right there, come back and discuss day three,
and we'll conclude the podcast with a Kyle Krabs mock draft.
We've already taken our first pick in the first round.
All round out, round two, two, three, and beyond for
you guys here with Kyle on the show Draft Time Podcast,
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guest today, Kyle Krabs locked on Dolphins Podcast talking all
things Dolphins Draft, and Yeah, man, like, just looking at
that list and the discussion about the players in that
grouping like it kind of sounds like if somebody were
and the Chicago Bears are a team that has two
picks in the forties and maybe could want to get
back into that first round. I don't know what their
approach would be. But that's like, that's one team that
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could do it. It sounds like you might be willing
Kyle to get out of the first round altogether based
upon what you have here in this list between you know,
picks twenty five through eighty.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Really, yeah, I think there's there is a world that
exists where the player that's on the board at thirteen.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Is too good to pass up. Yeah, But.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
When the conversation becomes the opportunity cost to move out
of that player at potentially, you know, if it's a
team that's in the top three that passes on a
quarterback and wants to come back up and get in
front of Pittsburgh. Hypothetically Cleveland has thirty three, sixty seven,
ninety four, one oh four. The Giants have thirty four,
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sixty five and ninety nine and one oh five. And
you know, so you're talking about potentially moving back twenty spots.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
That's a big drop.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
But if it's giving you the picks in this range,
and there's future draft implications that comes as a result
of that as well, with twenty twenty six draft capital,
I would be listening. Now, I'm not guaranteeing that I
would do it, but you can either try to incrementally
slide your way down, or you can get a team
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that's really desperate that that is going to give you
the Day two picks you want now and something big
in the future. And if if you get that, then,
especially if that team's already made a pick in the
top three and got like a needle moving player elsewhere,
I would listen to those phone calls for sure.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
And as it stands, a chance to get three impact
players in those first three picks, the top one hundred
of this year's draft, and at positions of need to
it seems like so a pretty good stacked board here
for us going into date number three. And we'll go
ahead and make those picks at the end of the
podcast here from Kyle. But let's go ahead and pivot
on to the third day of the draft. In a
Saturday morning, some folks might have some draft fatigue. The
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real ball knower's, the real fans of the draft will
be sticking around for all four rounds on Saturday. As
we get into pick one sixteen, which would be the
thirteenth pick made on Day three, and I'm looking at
this list here, you've got a couple of the guys
we just talked about. You've got some interior defensive linemen,
some receivers, even some more corners in this range. Kyle,
you look at the third day and you know, based
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upon all the stuff you just discussed for the first
three picks and maybe you scratch off three of the
need you have, is this where you start thinking about
just taking the best player, regardless of positions, because like,
this is the time where it comes to like you
can't really you know, parse your needs. It's like, just
take the best player because this is kind of a
not a crap shoot, but it's tough to find hits
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at this late in the draft.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
I kind of struggle with this, whether it's a part
of me that says Day three is where you should
shift your focus to addressing your needs to get more
bodies in and then maybe you compliment that with veteran
players and hope that develops talent. But I look at
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tight end, running back. We didn't talk about these positions
at all, but they're kind of ancillary or complimentary players
that Dolphins probably need another body at least at running back,
you know, with with Raheem Moster and Jeff Wilson being gone,
and off the roster. Uh, another back that you know,
Alexander Madison that's not a big financial commitment to so
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you know he's gonna have to compete for his spot.
I think you need some more competition. Day three, with
those picks is the perfect kind of place to do
something like that.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
I think that you're you're.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Getting into appropriate window to have another swing of the
bat at the quarterback position as well, to bring in
a third quarterback. I don't I don't think the Dolphins
should roster just two quarters in season. I think they
would benefit from having a third guy that they carry
with confidence and is a cost control player at the position.
And on Day three, you're kind of in the point
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where you're expected return on investment for those picks is
diminished automatically just because of where you're at in the draft.
So having somebody who has some traits that you like
and you want to get in house makes all the
sense in the world to me. So there's a part
of me that says, hey find the needle moving players
because they will find their way on the field early
and then, like defensive tackle, you're going to need more
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than one body there. So draft for need on Day
three and get a player that's a role or skill
specific player, whether that's an Ane as Peoples as a
penetration type player, or a Zier Stackhouse as a gap
control kind of player on the interior. Like, and there's
a bunch of examples of those kinds of players from
top to bottom.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Yeah, especially when you when you factor in, you know,
to your point, the competition come training camp, like, these
are guys that could be carving out role is two
hundred three hundred snap takers like we saw last year
with the concept of you know, Tier Tart, Jonathan Harris,
Neville Gallimore, all the guys they brought in to kind
of fill out those roles, and those guys didn't wind
up making the team and you wind up going Benito
Jones to Sean Hand. Is your kind of rotational pieces there,
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And you know, when I look at this part of
the draft, like to your point, we have you know,
three of the ten picks from the top one hundred,
but seven picks on day three, it's a good time
to like, Hey, I liked a couple of these guys.
Let's just get him both in here and have him
compete and the best man wins, right, Like to kind
of how you build that competition environment and get the
best team on the field. I guess, so, okay, that's picks.
That's that's in the fourth round range. We kind of
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move here into the fifth round here, and I think
this is where you start, at least on your board,
entertain the idea of a position we have not talked
about yet in the quarterback spot. Which guy of these
quarterbacks Kyle and where would they go? Do you think
is the best fit for a Dolphins developmental piece behind
two of the starter and Zach Wilson the backup.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
I think Kyle McCord from Syracuse is the best style
stick player. The question is does he sneak into the
top one hundred? Could you get him at one sixteen?
I don't know that you'd see him get into the
picks in the one fifties that Miami currently scheduled to pick.
I think he's the best parallel player. I do like
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Will Howard from Ohio State a ton and what I
like about Will other than there's some mobility and size
and arm strength there. He had a willingness this year
to let and develop chemistry with his receivers and let
those guys go make plays down the field. And when
you're not a precision oriented backup court, or when you're
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not a precision oriented starter, where the scheme is tailored
for you, if you're gonna get a backup that's gonna
go in there and they're gonna say, hey, i'm gonna
trust my really talented wide receivers to go make plays
on the ball and give him a chance. I think
that's a better world to live in than to say
I don't see it clean, I'm not gonna throw it,
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and I'm gonna take negative plays. So I think, well,
and Will's got a great demeanor. If if you're a
ViBe's oriented scout, you like a guy's like the aura,
as the kids say, I think Will's Will really carries
himself impressively. Dylan Gabriel Obviously as a left hander, there's
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some benefits to having another left hander in the scheme
when the starter is oriented to be a left hander
and how that works, and Mike McDaniels talked about that
at length and if even if you wanted to wait
till later, a little later, like one of these picks
in the seventh round, I really like Cam Miller from
North Dakota State.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
I think he's a.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Gamer type, has some mobility, has enough arm strength. He's
not gonna blow you away with his arm, but man,
he operated that offense at North Dakota State at a
pretty high level.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
So just talking about what that third quarterback if he
were to be drafted, looks like for the Dolphins in
terms of his like arrive and developmental plan. Like, we've
had guys in the past that were, you know, long
shots to make a roster right James Blackman comes to
mind as a guy from the Florida State quarterback that
was out here for a while and had a chance.
Who was a guy last year I forget his name. Jeez. Yeah,
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I guess we'll come back to that at some point later.
But essentially they were guys that you you kind of
had a feeling like he's trying to get reps, you know,
for the next team, almost because there's there's depth here
at this position. But if you draft a guy in
this range and it is a Will Howard or it
is a Kyle McCord or even someone on you know,
in the seventh round, what does it look like for
that player to come here when you like two was
the entrench starter. Obviously, Zach Wilson's being paid and will
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be the backup, but most likely unless you know, it's
a crazy camp for the rookie, what does it look
like for that rookie who's coming here basically trying to
just like you know, drink through a fire hose of
NFL offense and getting ready for the season.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Yeah, I think part of that is is the benefits.
And you got a little bit of look at this
with quit Bell during hard knocks, but young player that
can be on the run the look squad, you get
reps that way too, right, So by running the opposing
team stuff on installs throughout the week. I don't think
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it's super sustainable for the Dolphins to have a second
quarterback contract with Tua and then continue to pay veteran
backup quarterbacks like in the ballpark. So you're you're looking
to almost kind of have.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
A succession in place for Zach Wilson.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
And I know that they deferred some of the cap
commitments from that year into future years where if they
were to sign Zach Wilson to an extension if things
go really well, or if he has to play and
he plays well and they want to go that direction.
They have some flexibility there, but to invent like Zach
Wilson was the second biggest contract the Dolphins gave out
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in free agency, So when you look at it like that,
you really got to sit here and ask yourself, like,
how sustainable is that? And unfortunately with some of the
durability stuff, that's the world that the Dolphins have to
live in right now. But I think you would be
far better suited looking for one or two other players
elsewhere on the roster that have a lot of positional
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versatility so that you have the extra spot on the
fifty three and then get that other player in and
then you kind of have a year to decide like, hey,
we saw how he took the offense. We don't have
to pay another veteran quarterback because this guy grasped our
offense and executed what we asked in execue throughout the
course of the season.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
So it's more of like cause oftentimes I feel like
fans like and the Joe Milton example will be the
one that you can use for this. Fans will be like,
if you take a quarterback and you play as well,
like you can trade him for high draft picks it's like,
you know, maybe once upon time, but like people aren't
coming up for second round draft picks for AJ Feeley anymore.
That's just not happening anymore. So like I feel like
the investment of it is like for future of your own. Uh,
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you're cashing out the ro I down the road, hopefully
on your own in the future. Good stuff there, Kyle.
Let's go ahead and finish this segment with this. You've
you sent me so many clips of guys that I'm like,
oh that we're watching you know, Marshall tape today or
watching Elon tape today, whatever it might be. Is are
two pretty different schools. But give me some of the
guys that stood out to you that you think could
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be available beyond that fifth round Day three prospects, maybe
even in that fifth round as well. But just talk
to me about some of the sleepers that you have
as favorites.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Yeah, I'll go with the one I most recently was
blowing your phone up about, which is JJ Roberts from Marshall.
He's got a ton of pop, he's got some good
striking ability as a tackler, He's got a lot of range.
He can be that guy that plays high in the post,
but he can fit the run.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
I think he's he's.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Somebody who will benefit from being a little bit more
calculated with some of his angles when he runs from
death to support.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
With the run, there's sometimes where that gets the better
of him.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
And he's a former corner from wake Forest, so really
only started playing safety once he got the marshall two
years ago. So you see some transitional stuff with him
where I think he can see things faster and that
should come with more reps in time and the context
that he has as a player who really only made
that switch recently, it gives you a little bit of
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context as to why maybe he's not seeing it as
fast as he could if he was going to make
a bunch more plays on the football. So players like that,
players that had a position change late in their career
and it's kind of allowed them to amplify some more
of their traits. But you're looking for them to, hey,
let's can you level up your game? Can you see
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things faster? Can you jump that rounte a little quicker?
Can you actually cut that route instand the nuts is
meeting the ball at the catchpoint? Like that's the kind
of story where you see why it is the way
it is and say, Okay, I think this guy has
another gear to tap into with this position that he's playing.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Now love it, man.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
He was, to your point, fun to watch, brought a
lot of that juice checks a lot of the boxes
you talked about in terms of getting more athletic, getting
more kind of just dogs on defense, and being faster,
more athletic, a little bit more physical and violent, good
stuff all around. Let's take our last break right there,
come back on the other side and pay it off.
We'll go ahead and have Kyle make picks beyond the
first round. We already have Jday Baron from Texas slotted
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into that spot for Kyle on his mock draft. Here.
We'll finish that out next Draft Time podcast, brought to
you by Auto Nation. All Right, the time has come.
The next time you hear from me on the show
will be talking about a first round draft pick. And Kyle,
I'm gonna give you some liberties here to adjust as
you see fit. You're the one that's been just inundated
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in the stuff for the last several months and really
for the last decade plus with draft content. But I
will give you the liberty to see how the board
shakes out in terms of how you have it graded,
to make the picks that you feel are possibly justifiable
with that player making it there, the floor is yours.
Let's go ahead and just get out of the way.
We already talked about today baron a lot on yesterday's podcast.
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So that's the pick at thirteen, correct, Yes, okay, cool,
So we're done there, Pick thirteen, done. Cornerback in the
bag at pick forty eight. Give me the guy that
you're looking at here that could be on the board
for us.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
So my heart is telling me to pick out for
Collins and go defensive tackle, but I'm not gonna do that.
I am going And the reason why is as I'm
looking at the horizontal board and I count names at
defensive tackle that I see in rounds three. In rounds four,
I have one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve.
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I have twelve names in rounds three and four at
defensive tackle. If I look, I have one name maybe
two in the third round at offensive guard. So the
discrepancy that exists between what should be available even if
a run has happens at defensive tackle, I should still
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like my options more at ninety eight there and you're
getting into role specific players. You get undersized penetration guys,
you get run stuffers that are are rick houses that
are hard to move.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
You. You can find him.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
So I'm gonna go with Jonas sab and I the
offensive lineman from Arizona picked number forty eight. I think
that that's a big time Neino mover. Him and Austin
Jackson playing next to each other. Oh my goodness of
the ball.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
I love it, man. I love that pick. I love
the first two round picks you made already that this
football team has already gotten better based upon your draft.
And this is why horizontal bards matter. We just we
just talked about this and it already pays off as
you go ahead and take a look at yours and say,
I have a d tackle here I love, but I
know I've got someone later on the draft that I
could also, you know, learn to love or maybe like
a little bit. And it gets me a guard that
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I love where I don't have that option later on.
And I guess my follow up question would be this, Kyle,
because you talk about, you know, getting some role specific
players at defensive tackle position. You know, like we see
the depth of defensive tackle behind Zach and Bdito Jones
as eating bodies. But because you have Zach, does that
kind of change the way you view that? Because if
you were, like, you know, maybe you had like the
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safety group where it's like deeper than it is top heavy,
maybe you do inject that with a first round pick.
But because you have Zach Seeler, who can play nine
hundred snaps at four positions, does that change the way
you view the defensive tackle need because he's so good?
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Yeah, And I think you know, Kalais Campbell was on
a snap count last year, and then years before that
it was Christian Wilkins was playing nine hundred snaps and
Zach was playing eight point fifty and then they carried
four and it was like Raykwon Davis was the nose
that came in You had one of the backup guy
who played like ten snaps a game, So life is
a little different. But still having a volume snap player
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like a Zach Sealer, I certainly think changes the perspective
there quite a bit. So I am gonna go with
Savi Andaya expecting that there's gonna be a name there,
and I know what I'm eyeing for pick number ninety eight,
and it's it's gonna help that group on the defensive front.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Okay, well that's a change from the previous discussion we
talked about this is a good spot being a good
spot for a safety. So sounds like we're run back
to defensive tackle at pick ninety eight.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Yeah, so we're gonna go.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
It's gonna be Jday Baron at thirteen, it's gonna be
Jonas Savina at forty eight, and then I'm gonna go
with Jordan Phillips defensive tackle for Maryland. Not that Jordan Phillips,
but he relax.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
It's is one of the youngest players in the draft.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
He's red shirt sophomore that declared and went to the
Shrine and has a ton of athletic potential. But getting
to see him up close in the Shrine, he is built.
He's built like a three hundred and ten pounds Deshawan
hand where just very dense top to bottom, very thick
kind of frame. I think he can play some odd
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front end and I think he can play in the
A gaps for you as well as as an early
down guy.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
I love it. So I think we've made the foot
ball team better for the first three picks. I think
all three of those guys. I think you've got two
surefire stars and your first two picks. I think the
third pick is going to be a heavy rotational guy
as well. So you've done a great job so far.
How about as we get on today three here early
in the third day, pick one sixteen, where we going.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
So one one sixteen, I am going to stay at
defensive tackle and I'm gonna draft Ty Robinson from Nebraska.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
He is.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
First team All Motor, try hard, his tape is awesome.
He's not a big time pass rusher, but he's a
big time like line of scrimmage compression player. But I
think with the Dolphins and their their rest of their
pass rush group, between Zach and the guys that they
have on the edge, and what Jordan Brooks has and
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can bring to the table, and now you add Willie
Gay into that mix, like, I think you have enough
other dynamic pieces where I'm not really sweating, like, hey,
we need two pass rusher types at defensive tackle. So
I'm gonna double dip and go Jordan Phillips and Ty
Robinson with ninety eight and one sixteen to kind of
help out the interior defensive line.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
There's your defensive tackle. Double dip in your depth at
that position, Kyle, we've got about four minutes left. Let's
go ahead and get through. Uh picks one thirty five
and one or yeah, one thirty five, one fifty, one
fifty five here if you can, all.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Right, So one thirty five I am going to go with.
Let's go the safety here. Let's go Billy Bowman from Oklahoma.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Fe.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
I love this draft so much.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
So there's some concern.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
About the tackling it's twenty five percent career mistackle rate,
but the ability to make plays on the ball and coverage.
I think it's a great player to Addie many plays
super chip. He's got a big time tche too, So
I like that a lot.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Yeah. I think that's that that helps the tackling down
the road.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
So that's at least one fifty and one fifty five.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Yes, I will go with.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
Tight end to Jay Kanyers from Texas Tech at one p.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Fifty.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
This is if you miss Tyler Warren. He does some
similar things at Texas Tech. He was at Arizona State.
They have a direct snap package for him. Used to
be a high school quarterback, like really good athlete. I
think Mike McDaniel could get a lot of run out
of him. And then I will go with the quarterback
O go Dylan Gabriel from Oregon at one to fifty five.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
There you go. The needs are checking off the list.
You got your developmental quarterback, you got your big tight end. There,
give me your three picks on date on in the
seventh round, Cole, and I'm sure there's a receiver here
that I'm looking at that you like a lot.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
I'm gonna go Jackson Meeks with one of those picks,
a big bodied wide receiver from Syracuse, so I'll add
him into the mix.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
I will add.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
Let's go into zer stackhouse nose tackle, true nose tackle
from Georgia. I think that's a it's a low volume
snap taker, but you know you really didn't get that
with either of the other two players are a little
bit more hybrid type players. And then the last pick
I'll go, I'll go back to the offensive line and
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draft Connor Colby from Iowa, who is a tailor made
wide zone type of player to compete for a roster.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Spot and You're getting a guy that fits the system
in that spot that you can develop long term. So
I love that. Jday Baron, Jonas Savinaya, Jordan Phillips, Ty Robinson.
You're back to back defensive tackles. Safety Billy Bowman Jr.
Tied end Jalen Conyers, quarterback, Dylan Gabriel, wide receiver Jackson Meeks.
We come back for a third defensive tackle, a nose
tackle in Azier Stackhouse and Connor Colby out of Iowa. Kyle,
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you killed it, man. We appreciate your time. We have
one minute left in the show, so I'll go ahead
and get you out of here. Have you seen the
video of Chris Fowler taking on the throat regiment that
go take one of those. I ressed up that voice,
my friend. You've been You've recorded probably what forty thousand
words worth of content today, So appreciate your time at
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you're the man. Appreciate dude. Thanks Travis and the way
he goes and away we go until Thursday night. We'll
hear for you guys, or you will hear from me rather,
I should say, after the Dolphins make their pick, the
whole night comes to an end, We'll have coverage on
pick thirteen. We'll have coverage on the McDaniel Greer joint
press conference after the first round is over, and take
a look at round two. On Friday, we'll go over
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the second third round pick the press conference again and
do the same thing for Day three and run it
back on Day three. Busy week of podcast here. We're
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