November 29, 2024 • 30 mins
The Dolphins fall in another big game in a big spot 30-17 to the Packers. We’ll break it all down.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up Dolphins, No intro tonight, just gonna go ahead
and jump right into it. Tell you about the game
script from the game Dolphins fall thirty seventeen in Lambeau
to the Packers to fall to five and seven. We'll
get to the five big picture takeaways. Tell you some
stats and a little bit more than that from the
Baptist Hell Studios inside the Baptist Health Training Complex. This
is the Draft Time podcast. Excellent, another Miami Dolphins opening
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up our recap episode, as we do every single week,
with the stats from the game, and the Dolphins actually
had more first downs in the Packers twenty one to nineteen.
They had almost the same number of total yards three
seventy five to three eighty eight. The Packers were five
for eleven on third downs, Miami was four for fourteen.
The Dolphins were also three for five on fourth downs,
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which in these games, the Dolphins have played these big
spots against big time teams where they've fallen behind by
you know, a couple of scores, in this case three
in change. I guess being behind by twenty four is
technically a three score game, but when you know, if
you don't get every two point conversion, it becomes a
four score game. But that's besides the point. Within these contests,
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they typically kind of snowball because the Dolphins get so
aggressive on those fourth down situations, and when you don't
convert those, it turns into short fields and then the
score can get away from you. But the Dolphins were
much more efficient on fourth down in this game and
some of those games in the past that we're talking
about here. Otherwise, the run games still struggling to find
its footing for the last couple of games. The Dolphins
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ran the ball in this one for just thirty nine
yards excuse me, and that was on fourteen rush attempts.
The Packers had a buck fourteen on their twenty five
rush attempts. The Dolphins had the one turnover in the game.
We'll talk about that here in just a second. They
did not get any takeaways from the Packers offense, and
the Dolphins were sacked five times, did not sack Jordan
Love once in the game. And this ugly stat came
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back up today after a month of really good numbers
in this category. Ten penalties for seventy five yards for
the Dolphins, seven for forty four for the Packers.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
And had the ball for thirty three.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Minutes in the game as well, So a lot of
the stats don't tell the story of the game. The
Packers were dominant really from the opening gun. In fact,
the only real moment that it felt like Miami was
in control of the game was on the opening series
when the Packers go three and out, a three play
drive that covers negative four yards, and it was after
a slip on the opening kickoff return. In fact, Channing
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Tyndall slipped and you could see that gap open up
and the Keishawn Nixon hit it with conviction and he
gets the ball all the way out to the forty
six yard line.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
But Miami goes right to the well.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Kalais Campbell, as he has done so many times this year,
takes an offensive lineman on the first play of the game,
knocks him backwards and makes the play at or around
the line of scrimmage. Then they false start and we
turn a post route free, but Jordan Love misses it.
And this is what we're talking about when we talk
about getting teams behind the chains long down in distances.
You can force them into mistakes like the Dolphins did
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on this pass from Jordan Love. To.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
I think it was.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Christian Watson at that point of the game. He had
gotten behind the post safety and he was open, but
Jordan Love missed him. And then it's third and long
and Chop and Sealer team up for the sandwich shot
on Jordan Love. It's a sack fumble at kalay as
Campbell recovers, but replay assists turns it back over the
Packers because his hand was just barely coming forward on
that release throw, and it was the right call. I
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agree with it, but it just it's I mean, we'll
talk about this morn as we go along, but it
seems like every time the Dolphins get their hands on footballs,
it just doesn't wind up going in their favor, except
for the Tyreek Hill touchdown, which we'll cover that here
in just one second. But the game seemed to really
turn when Maleak Washington put the ball on the ground
on the first pump return of the game.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
He muffs it.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
They recovered the nine yard line. Just a brutal mistake.
It looked like the wind was blowing pretty hard. It
looked like he had kind of set up at one
position and by the time he's ready to catch the football,
it had blown off a little bit further to his right.
He couldn't get over there in time. The ball hits
his arm and it is now a live ball. The
Packers fall on it, and then three plays later they're
in the end zone on a three yard pass from
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Jordan Love to Jayden Reid. And what a shot that
was from Love to read because it almost looked like
when he let that ball go that Storm Duck was
going to have a chance to pick it off and
go back for six. But the timing on the route
he had it was obviously that you're going to take
a matchup. You know. Storm Duck has played really well,
especially for a guy that's an undrafted rookie. But to
get a matchup one of your top receivers against a
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guy that is a rookie who was, you know, undrafted
out of college, like, that's a matchup you go after.
And they did it a few times in this game,
and Jordan Love made a great throw. It was a
really nice route by Jayden Reid and it's a touchdown.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
You know.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Just a minute and a half into the game, the
Packers are on the board seven nothing, and then the
Dolphins get the ball back and it's like, okay, go
be the offense we've seen for the last five weeks.
But then, as McDaniel mentioned after the game, they revert
back to some of the mistakes that they had gotten
over during this winning streak in this you know, stretch
of really good games. Because it's a five play, negative
three yard drive that covers three minutes and fourteen seconds.
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It starts with a false start. We had had one
pre snap penalty in the last three games combined, and
you get one on the first play of the game.
And then a Chan gets eleven yards in a little
Texas screen route that we have kind of made the
best play on our offense, where eight Chan angles out
wide and then cuts back across the face of the
offensive line and gets an escort of blockers. And then
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we get six more to h Chan on a swing
route and all of a sudden, you've overcome first and fifteen. Okay,
cool Dolphins offense is here. They're ready to rock. We're
going to be in a shootout and we're going to
compete against a really good Packers team. They jump off sides,
we false start right back. Julian Hill was the culprit
on the false start. A one yard eight chan loss,
and we just look disjointed. On the second down play,
we run this fake screen pass that I think was
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supposed to be a fake screen to a draw, but
the running back had gotten out of the out of
Tua's pocket and Tua has to like Tucket and run
around and just eat a sack. Then we get a
personal foul after that play, and it's third and twenty nine.
Just an absolute disaster of a start that cannot happen
in these conditions against that team in a game of
this magnitude. And the Packers paid off with a twelve play,
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seventy six yard drive seven minutes off the clock, capped
off by a one yard Josh Jacob's touchdown run. And
you come into this game without Kendall Fuller. Cater Kohu
takes a wicked shot and again on a ball that
gets tipped up in the middle of the field, and
it looks like he's gonna have a room service pick. Okay,
gonna be right back in this thing with the ball
at midfield, But here comes Christian Watson diving in for
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the past and it folds Cater backwards like a scorpion,
and he can't return to the game after he did
get concleared from concussion protocol or from the concussion test,
I should say, but his back inside hip injury or
oblique injury. I think it was back was the official designation,
but he was kind of holding that and he was
on the bike and he couldn't get back in the game,
so he lose him. They would lose camp Smith later
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on too, so awfully, awfully thin at the cornerback position.
But it just seems like the kind of year where
we can't get those breaks where balls get batted up.
There was the Cardinals game when Kalais Campbell had a
strip sack with the ball bounced right back to Kyler Murray,
just gosh man like. And then the lose a player
at a tough position where you're already thin at that spot.
Brutals start to the game, and then Jordan Love finds
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underneath completions, they get themselves into a third and short,
which they were in quite a lot in this game,
and they get a chip release on Tucker Kraft who
finds a nice little catch and run for a first down,
and he was running guys over Josh Jacobs, running guys over.
Jacobs had eight touches in the first fifteen plays, and
I felt like that kind of set a tone for
the Packers, and they flashed a good stat in the
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game where Josh Jacobs had eighty touches in the first
quarter this year. It's the most by any player in
any quarter of this of the game this year in
the NFL, And it seems like he's kind of their
tone center and they have this run game they build
off of Josh Jacobs, and it's an interesting dichotomy compared
to other teams in the Shanahanan Tree. Now Sean McVay
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has gotten Kyron Williams and knows kind of the same
thing there, but different strokes for different folks with regards
to how to attack this thing. And Jacobs has been
a nice fine for that Packers' offense. They get themselves
in a third and fourth a plus twenty two and
Tyrell Dotson came down, tried to scrape behind this Kalais
Campbell slant inside and they wind up like picking each
other off and Dodson got caught on that block and
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it's a fourteen yard run for Jacobs. Then he pushes
the pile down to the one inch line and he
finishes off in the end zone despite Bito Jones, who
has made a knack all of a sudden of getting
off the line scrimmage first and he tackled the quarterback
at the mesh point and Jacob scores on that play.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
So just some more bad luck there.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Fourteen nothing Packers have an early lead and then Miami
takes it down the field and they drive it all
the way down for a field goal.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Unfortunately, twelve plays fifty five.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Yards they kicked the thirty three yard field goal, took
over seven minutes off the clock, and I wrote down
the alec Ingold drive, which, by the way, the alec
Ingole feature on halftime was really really cool to see.
What a cool person, what a cool family, and what
a cool moment it was for him to come back
home to play at lambeau Field for the first time
in his career. But he made back to back catches,
had one big run after the catch on one of
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those plays. Then he wipes out the edge and clears
this big lane for Devon a Chan for a twelve
yard run along with Julian Hill, and then after a
run and swing to eight chance third and six at
the plus twenty seven and Tyreek Hill gets two yards
on a drag, but we go forward on a fourth down,
but it's a delay of game. Now we kick it
and the ball goes through from forty eight yards, but
they were off sides, so we put the offense back
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on the field, and then fourth and four to what
starts doing what I thought he did a good job
of all night long, getting through progressions and really allowing
that when he did have good pass protection, allowing it
to kind of take hold and stay in that pocket
and dissect the defense and pick his spots. And on
that particular rap, I thought tron Arms had had a
great block on an island in one on one pass protection,
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where other parts of the night he couldn't get to
the edge quick enough for some of those kingsley in Ingbari,
I think that's how you say it rushes around the edge,
and so up and down night for Tistad, But on
this one I thought he had a really good block
and to a layers over the middle of the field,
hook linebacker and waddle goes for sixteen yards, but then
devon a Chan takes a quick jet sweep and loses
six yards right away, and the next two throws are
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short checkdowns that never have a chance kick the field
goal packers up fourteen to three, and then they punt
it back to you four play. Twenty seven yard drive
takes two minutes off the clock, and Jayden Reid took
an end around into our crashing edge, and it goes
back to what I said about eye discipline. They pulled
away from us, or they pulled us away from the
edge on that particular play with run fake action to
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the other side, and it becomes this big play right
away from the snap, like once they gave him the ball,
you could see Miami got out of their fits, out
of their their gaps, and he takes it around the
edge for what's going to be a big play, but
then he slips multiple tackles and turns it into a
twenty three yard game, like ten more yards than it
would have been. We tighten up on first and second
down with a Quintin Bell checkdown tackle and a Zach
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Sealer run stuff, and then one of these big plays
in the game a third and six, and the Dolphins
dial up single high safety coverage with man coverage underneath,
and Saran Neil gets put in a big spot in
a big coverage rep and they sim pressure and force
a quick throw and he gets the arm around the
backside and breaks it up and the Dolphins get the
ball back down by just eleven points here and they
take the drive four plays, twelve yards, three and a
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half minutes off the clock. It starts at the five
yard line. The Packers lineup off side to begin the series,
and then Tua hits that turkey hole shot to Raheem
Moster where he gets the gap between the cornerback and
the safety against Cover two. Takes that big hit in
the back, but hangs on to it on a ball
that was up off of his frame for fourteen yards.
Then we get a holding call for first and twenty.
It just felt like those games in the past where
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it was one step forward, two steps back, and it
really makes me appreciate the clean nature of football Dolphins
played for the last month plus, because you know, as
good as this team in offense has been for the
last three years, this has been the primary bugaboo, right
is the pre snap errors that the holding calls, the
little mistakes that add up over the course of a
game that puts you behind the change and force you
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into a certain type of game script.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
That's what happened in this game.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
And then Tua does find John neu Smith for fifteen
yards and I wrote down here he looks comfortable. He's
playing within himself, he's playing patient, he's taking what's there.
Now the clock winds under five minutes, and I wrote down,
this needs to be last possession of half, hopefully with
a touchdown.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
But it didn't go that way.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
As on the second downplay two, it takes a sack
where the pressures kind of caved in around him, and
that was kind of how the five sacks went in
this game. They would just basically collapse the pocket from
all angles and he wouldn't have any escape hatches. I
thought he threw really well on the move in this game,
stepping up off of his spot, attacking the lane of
scrimmage and throwing down the field with eyes up as
he attacks the land scrimmage. So that was good to
see from the quarterback once again. And then on third
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and eight he got sacked once again. I thought Armstead
was either late out of his stance or didn't really
you know, maybe didn't know the snap count because the
ang barie I think I'm saying that right, kings Lambari
had an uncontested run off that left side for two
and just dumped him because it was right there for him.
So the Packers get it back and they take it
down the field. Jaden Reid eleven yard touchdown reception from
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Jordan Love six plays sixty two yards, took a minute
and a half, and Chris Brooks hits a big run,
slipping tackles of Emmanuel Ogbaugh and Javon Holland for eighteen
yards two minute warning, and then DeShawn not DeShawn, Christian
Watson has a twenty one yard catch, turning camp Smith
around on the play that he was also flagged for
defensive pass interference. Then, on third and two at the
plus twelve yard line, Dolphins took two timeouts trying to
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get the football back, trying to hold a field goal.
You can make it seventeen to three. You can get
the ball back with a couple minutes to play. Maybe
you go score some points, get the ball back at halftime.
But that's not what happened. They run the little flat
reb route, read turns it up and goes in for six.
Twenty one to three. Miami drives it down into Packer territory.
On the next drive, eight plays thirty two yards and
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it was a to scramble and then a hook up
to John Smith to move the chains, then right back
to Johnny Smith for ten more yards, and you had
one time out left in plus territory and forty five
ticks on the clock and Tua has Tyrek on the dig.
And this was the two plays that I thought Tua
just like flat out missed on the night. He had
Tyreek on this dig and he layers this throw and
it came off kind of weird, and Seth and OJ
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and I were talking about in the post game show,
I feel like maybe he saw something in his periphery
that changed his mind mid mid throwing motion, because he's
thrown that pass to ik Kill going back to OTAs
of twenty twenty two to now a million times and
I've seen that throw a million times in training camp
or OTAs or games. You know, they hit that route
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all the damn time. And this particular time that he
like layers it opposed to throwing the ball on the line,
which he always does, and it goes high off of
his hands, and it looked like he had a catch
and run that could have gone for a pretty big
play after that, and you know, Jason Garrett even mentioned
like they make this pitch and catch in their sleep.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
It was just kind of weird. And then eight Chan
runs for five yards.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
They call time out thirty one seconds, third and five
at the thirty eight yard line and Malik gets hit
on the on the numbers catches it. They jar the
ball free, so it's fourth down and Tua has Devon
a Chan down the middle once again for an open
dig and he shoots it high and it was wide open.
And he mentioned it in the pros game press conference
that he just made a bad throw on the play,
So you know, it's it's like these airrors add up
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and then the quarterback misses a couple of throws and
things can snowball and get away from you because the
Packers take the ball from that position, go four plays
thirty four yards and they get them also a field
goal right at the end of the half to make
it twenty four to three. And at that point in
the game, it felt like I had slipped away from you.
But the Dolphins had other thoughts because they did play
hard in that third and fourth quarter and at least
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made it interesting.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
At certain points of the game.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Late we'll come back and tell you how they did
that in the second half of this game Drivetime podcast,
your host Travis Wingfield, brought to you by Auto Nation.
So just a really difficult start to the first half
of the Miami Dolphins, who get the ball back to
begin the second half, and you can see the snow
flurries are falling down at Lambeau Field. It looks like
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a dream night, especially for Packers fans at this point.
And the Dolphins take the ball and go three and
now it's it's you know, Tyreek had on the play,
had a tough three yard catchway to fight with Isaiah
McDuffie just to make the catch. And then Julian Hill
catches a ball in traffic and then it gets us
a third and three, but we cannot get off the
snap and it's a false start or rather a delay
a game, i should say. And then Tua I thought
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was a little bit late on a throw to Obj
in the middle of the field and it goes incomplete.
So those two drives basically put the Packers in a
position to you know, put the game not away, but
really take it in the wrong direction for the Dolphins,
and they did that with an eight play, seventy two
yard field goal drive that took five more minutes off
the clock. So the Dolphins defense just really struggled to
get off the field in this game, and the offense
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early on couldn't put together much of a drive, you know,
for the whole first half and into that third quarter.
But this one, they hit a deep shot to Christian Watson.
Why do I want to keep saying the wrong name? There?
They get a it's a one on one look against
storm Duck once again, and you know, like it reminds
me of the Chanting Crowder podcast from the Fish Tank
way back when when he said, like I was in
the field with you know, Zach Thomas and Junior Sea,
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like where do you think the ball is gonna go
crowd or it's going to go to you? And so
when you have this many injuries and you have Jalen
Ramsey out there, of course I'm going to avoid Jaalen Ramsey.
And on this particular play it was one on one.
You know, you're down Kendall Fuller, you're down Cater Kohu,
you're down Cam Smith. They take a one on one
against you know, Watson against Duck and they hit it
for a deep vertical shot, then back to Jacob's running
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over people. It gets a fifteen yard play on a
screen and then third and a mile. Jayden Reid makes
that sick one and then catch to put him down
inside the ten yard line. They would not go for it.
They kick a field goal and make it twenty seven
to three at that point in the game. Then the
Dolphins get their best drive of the night, an eight
play seventy yard drive that takes five minutes off the
clock and it is converted on a fourteen yard pass
from Tua to Devon e Cham and then a two
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yard pass from Tua to Wattle for the two point conversion.
And Raheem Moster opens this drive by popping a big run,
but tyreek Hill has a holding call on the outside
twenty six yards, comes all the way back for just
two yards first and eight. They push it into plus territory.
They get stuffed on third and inches for a loss,
and then fourth and one more pressure, but two of
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steps up and fires over the middle of the field
for a big chunk of sixteen yards to John new Smith,
and then they have the Texas little screen route that
we'd love so much for Devon ah Chan for his
sixth red zone receiving touchdown of the season. We hit
that play for scores all the time. It looked easy
on this one. Then we get the amazing catch and
throw from Tua to Wattle to make it a sixteen
point game, and you've got some life this stage of
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the game. Twenty seven to eleven, and Oj kept saying,
just give me the stop in the third quarter and
it's gonna be a ball game again. And they get
ten yards on the first play, throwing to storm Duck
once again, who dang near pick six this one. He
jumped it and was just a beat behind that throw
from a very strong armed quarterback. And then Ramsey bats
a pass as a blitzer and once again, this ball
gets deflected right up into the air between him he
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and Chop Robinson and they can't find it before it
hits the grounds. Like you know, if that's a pick
and you're down by sixteen, the offense is rolling at
this point, or just have their best drive, I should say,
and you get a turnover and plus territory.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
These are the kind of things that can change games.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
A muff punt at the nine yard bund can change games, right,
and they just seem to be this year. For whatever reason,
those breaks haven't gone our way. But we did get
a stop on a three play sequence that included a
one yard stuff on Josh Jacobs or Benito Jones and
Zax either come through on the third down to make
that stop.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
So Miia gets the ball back. They drive it.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Twelve plays, seventy five yards, six minutes. It's another dig
to off play pass at Tyreek Kill for thirteen yards.
It just it started to look like the team I
thought we were gonna see in terms of how this
offense matched up against the Packers defense, and you saw
it in the second half of the game. And then
Tua another great drive off of his drop in a
muddy pocket, throws off platform and finds Tyreek Hill for
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twenty four more yards. It's third and six and they
heat up Tua and he throws hot to Obj with
my probably my favorite tu A throw of the night
was that slant to Obj on third and six. It
was anticipatory, it was, you know, with pressure in his face.
It took a big shot and it moves the chains
on a down they had to have it on Tua
goes back to Wattle for ten more yards. That fake toss,
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you know, they run that fake toss, they throw the
ball to the little seam route. On this one, they
faked the toss, faked the seam route, and then came
back to the backside and Wattle got open on the backside.
Thought that was cool play, sequencing eight nine yards down
to the one yard line, and all of a sudden,
it's second in goal at the one yard line and
you're down by sixteen and it's like ten minutes to
play in the game. But on third and goal, Tua
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almost gets picked on a little fake play action peel
back to John Smith. They were not fooled at all.
And then on fourth and goal to a good sacked
And if you look at the replay of that fourth down,
it was a bunch of man or like you know,
routes against man coverage where they all came back to
the quarterback and then we're kind of stagnant and there
was just nowhere to go with the football, and so
he takes the sack and the game kind of goes
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back into the direction. The Packers have a nine play,
seventy eight yard field goal drive where Saran Neil gets
hit for a big holding call on third down, and
they close it out with a big We'll not close
it out, but the Josh Jacobs forty nine yard catch
and run where he broke a couple tackles and kind
of made us look silly out there on that play.
That was where it kind of fe like the back
had been broken. We do get a stop in the
low red zone, but their field goal makes it a
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nineteen point game with five minutes to play, thirty to eleven,
and then the Dolphins got a quick touchdown drive, a
seven play, two minute drive that covers sixty seven yards,
and Tua just kept taking the reals hit the Packers
were giving him, you know, explosive Tyreek play, that nice
corner route to John new Smith, then the deflected lucky
touchdown pass that Tua had. Tua now has thirteen touch
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downs in one pick since he came back from injury,
and that's fifteen touchdowns to four picks on the year,
so he's having a very good statistical season. We did
not get the two point conversion, so it's thirty seventeen.
The two teams swap drives late and the score goes
unchanged a thirty seventeen finals, So tough, tough, tough game man.
Tough to see these games go this direction, especially so
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early on, especially after a defensive stop and the muff
punt to give it back to the Packers right away
like that. So let's go ahead and take a last
break right there and make it short and sweet. Do
five takeaways and get the heck out of here. Drive
time podcast, your host Travis Wingfield, brought to you by
Auto Nation. Let's go ahead and get to the five
takeaways from the Dolphins thirty seventeen loss and try to
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be instructive about what it means going forward for this
football team. In the first one is that a disaster
opening in a big game sets the tone and the
whole thing rolls downhill from there. It's just frustrating as hell,
is it? Not? Like horrible kick coverage to start the game?
You muff a punt that you shouldn't have even been
near because you didn't have it tracked. You had three
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penalties on the opening drive. Offensively, like, what did we
prepare for all week? If that's what we're gonna look
like coming out of the gates? Also, how to play
where the handoff wasn't there on a play where two
I just tried to basically give it to the running
back and then had to fold in the pocket. You
punt it back to the packers, drive it, and they
drive it seventy five yards. Just gut punch after gut
punch and extremely exhausting to relive this nightmare in these spots,
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like Bill Murray in freaking Groundhog's Day. Dude, every single
time we get into one of these games, the moment
seems to get too big for these guys, and they
seem to play their smallest in these biggest games. And
we discussed this at length in the postgame show about
how like, how do you fix this, how do you
move on from this?
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Or how do you get better than this?
Speaker 1 (22:44):
And whether you want to say it's culture, whether it's
auditioned by subtraction, I don't know what it is. But
it's frustrating because when it's x's and o's, I can
tell you what went wrong and how to fix it
and where to make it right.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
But when it's like this, it's just gosh.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Man. We see so many big football games around the lead,
and you see these teams win these big games and
it's a celebration and they get to have so much fun.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
When the hell is it gonna be our turn?
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Man? Like I want to win one of these big
games where it's like, oh, the Dolphins are legit, Like
we've been crowned legit because of seventy point performances. Or
you know, the Cowboys win last year. I think it
wasn't really the crowning moment, but gosh, it just goes
us way too often, and despite good quarterback performances, Like
I can think about the Buffalo game last year where
Tua had you know, two touchdowns to match Josh Allen
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in the first quarter, or this year against Buffalo and
Tua went up and down the field against Josh Allen,
or the Baltimore game early on, Tuoa had back to
back drives down the field and Tyreek Hill drops a
touchdown catch and then he has that big fourth down throw,
and like, we're competing against these teams then just cannot
quite get out of our own way. Mistakes add up,
the quarterback makes one or two mistakes, and then it's
snowballs and then things just get off the rails from there.
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Like I'm just so damn tired of the same movie,
and it's the early start, the first quarter of the
opening drive. It always goes that way, and you can
just sense it, Like all day long, I'm telling my wife, like,
they match up so good against this Packers team, but
for some reason, I cannot shake the feeling that we're
gonna go to this game and we're gonna get rocked.
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And that's why I didn't pick the Dolphins and to
win the game, because I thought they matched up really well,
but I just inherently knew better. Now, I didn't know
better than to pick thirty one points for the Dolphins.
That was way off, but I just knew better, and
I'm tired of knowing better. I want to be able
to be ignorant and be joyous and have fun with
this stuff.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
And it's not fun when you can't win these games.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Takeaway number two, it just snowballs from the bad start, Dude,
I would love to know the mechanics behind this or
what contributes to it. Like all the takeaways are gonna
be about errors, and that's kind of how it goes
when you get blown out.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Right.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
We went down thirty one to fourteen in that Week
four Buffalo game last year, and That was why I
talked about to he matched them early, but once they
didn't score on offense, it was like, oh, we can't
get a stop on defense. Game got away from us.
You went down fourteen early to Philadelphia. You went down
twenty one zip to the Chiefs and made it a
game late. They always make it the game, not not always.
Sometimes they make it a game late and then they
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you know, the Ravens game. I don't talk about details
that one because I just just proves the entire point
I just tried to make. But ah my gosh, it
is just so disheartening to shoot yourself in the foot
this way. Three penalties offensively after a muff punt and
a bad kickoff return, and then multiple mis tackles, and
then the quarterback starts making the mistakes on the two
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high throws to Wreak an eight Chan and the mist
to Obj. You know, perhaps that's the difference between twenty
one to ten and twenty four to three. If two
it makes those throws, maybe it's not, but we remove
the possibility of knowing that by missing throws that we
hit in our damn sleep, two winds up having a
very strong night. But we couldn't find our third down magic.
We bogged down in the red zone a couple of times,
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and where the hell is the running game? That's probably
the bigger takeaway here. What happened to the running game?
It went away with Austin Jackson's absence, and that's that's
what it's been. We know the guards aren't going to
be smoking guys off the football. We know Brewers not
like the most powerful center in the league, and we
know that Kendall Lamb's not Austin Jackson, but like they
were running the ball pretty damn good four weeks ago
and it's completely gone right now. So that's probably the
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bigger takeaway for number two. Number three is the tackling
was do doo. That's a takeaway and this has been
a theme in bad games this year. Tonight was especially bad,
as Jacobs had his second most broken tackles in a
game this year. He has his highest average yards after contact.
Jayden Reid broke four tackles as a wide receiver. These
are all stats cursy of next Gen stats. By the way,
after a turnover on downs and in the first half,
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Ramsey misses a tackle on a short throw to Craft
where he runs him over and just kept on going
from there.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
They showed the graphic with two.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Forty three to play in the third quarter, and they
had thirteen miss tackles that produced an extra seventy five yards,
and it ended up being seventeen miss tackles for like
eighty two yards, which I think that number is off.
I think it's like one hundred and twenty five yards
because they didn't give all of the yards to Jacobs
on that catch and run tackle, so you missed three
on that one play alone. It's fifty yards after the catch,
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So seventeen for one to twenty five, Like, you're not
going to be anybody with that production.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Number four.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Special teams have been awful forever, Like what the hell
are we doing with this special team? To dude? Two
plays into the game for them and you're the kickoff
return that goes forty six yards and then a muff
punt that they recover at the nine after a spirit
had stopped to get that thing going in the right direction.
In big games in a short week, these are the
kind of things that burn you, and that's what happened tonight.
Malik gets a nice little return on the next punt,
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return and we hold and take it back to the
five yard line. So hidden yard is not going our way,
and it's just a tough way to beat a good
team on a short week. My fifth takeaway is that
John wu Smith is awesome, but he might have made
this kind of instructive for us here in some ways.
So I saw a tweet that mentioned that the Dolphins
have a profile issue on offense about how like Reek
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and Waddle and eight Chan are all kind of the
same body builds, but John new Smith is different and
in the game like this, in poor conditions and poor elements.
I mean, it wasn't that bad, but it was cold.
He goes for one hundred yards and like John, who's
the one outlier? And you know, eight Chan's getting carries
on second and goal from the one yard over a
big powerful Rareheem Moster or Jeff Wilson who you activated,
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or Jalen Wright, who I understand got the benching because
of the fumble he had. Like it goes both ways,
but shouldn't Raheem have gotten some more looks in those spots,
like a Chan kind of goes backwards when he gets
hit and when you have one yard to go who
needs the speed man?
Speaker 2 (28:18):
And then for the play style of it all.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
This is where I continue to like question my entire
existence with this stuff, because I find myself wondering is
this a winning formula in these games? Or is it
a toughness thing? Or maybe Deshaun Elliott was right and
you can't win down here because of all the lifestyle
distractions or how great the weather is and how you
can't acclimate on the road. Like, I don't know, dude,
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I'm just tired. I don't think this changes anything for
these next few games. I still think they have a
good chance to run the table. But then what does
that mean a primetime type of game in a playoff
game right where you're the only team on and this team,
like again, the bigger the moment gets, the smaller they play,
and it's so frustrating, and they show up in a
game where they had to have it or didn't have
to have it. But like, you could have really confirmed
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what we thought about you the last three weeks. But
you have seven team missed tackles, ten penalties, special teams
errors all over the place. You have five sacks allowed.
You don't have a sack the other time that's the
story of the game. It's not an individual. Maybe I
just talked myself out of the play style conversation because
I'm thinking about like, this is a team that prides
itself on speed on offense, and the skill players are
all speed guys, and the offensive line plays a speed
and maybe maybe Tron Armstead couldn't get loose night because
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he's banged up and it was a short week and
it was cold. Like, I just don't understand how we
can play so poorly in such big spots so frequently,
because when it's the ex's and o's, I can solve that.
I can tell you guys, here's what we have to do,
and I'm sure we're gonna beat the ever living piss
out of the New York Jets. But I just don't
have the answer for the intangible, and that's like above
my pay grade.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
I guess, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Maybe it's maybe we just have to see it play
out more to have more information to you know, go
into this thing next year, and then maybe we just
can avoid I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Let's call a podcast right there.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
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What's up Dolphins, No intro tonight, just gonna go ahead
and jump right into it. Tell you about the game
script from the game Dolphins fall thirty seventeen in Lambeau
to the Packers to fall to five and seven. We'll
get to the five big picture takeaways. Tell you some
stats and a little bit more than that from the
Baptist Hell Studios inside the Baptist Health Training Complex. This
is the Draft Time podcast. Excellent, another Miami Dolphins opening
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up our recap episode, as we do every single week,
with the stats from the game, and the Dolphins actually
had more first downs in the Packers twenty one to nineteen.
They had almost the same number of total yards three
seventy five to three eighty eight. The Packers were five
for eleven on third downs, Miami was four for fourteen.
The Dolphins were also three for five on fourth downs,
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which in these games, the Dolphins have played these big
spots against big time teams where they've fallen behind by
you know, a couple of scores, in this case three
in change. I guess being behind by twenty four is
technically a three score game, but when you know, if
you don't get every two point conversion, it becomes a
four score game. But that's besides the point. Within these contests,
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they typically kind of snowball because the Dolphins get so
aggressive on those fourth down situations, and when you don't
convert those, it turns into short fields and then the
score can get away from you. But the Dolphins were
much more efficient on fourth down in this game and
some of those games in the past that we're talking
about here. Otherwise, the run games still struggling to find
its footing for the last couple of games. The Dolphins
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ran the ball in this one for just thirty nine
yards excuse me, and that was on fourteen rush attempts.
The Packers had a buck fourteen on their twenty five
rush attempts. The Dolphins had the one turnover in the game.
We'll talk about that here in just a second. They
did not get any takeaways from the Packers offense, and
the Dolphins were sacked five times, did not sack Jordan
Love once in the game. And this ugly stat came
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back up today after a month of really good numbers
in this category. Ten penalties for seventy five yards for
the Dolphins, seven for forty four for the Packers.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
And had the ball for thirty three.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Minutes in the game as well, So a lot of
the stats don't tell the story of the game. The
Packers were dominant really from the opening gun. In fact,
the only real moment that it felt like Miami was
in control of the game was on the opening series
when the Packers go three and out, a three play
drive that covers negative four yards, and it was after
a slip on the opening kickoff return. In fact, Channing
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Tyndall slipped and you could see that gap open up
and the Keishawn Nixon hit it with conviction and he
gets the ball all the way out to the forty
six yard line.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
But Miami goes right to the well.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Kalais Campbell, as he has done so many times this year,
takes an offensive lineman on the first play of the game,
knocks him backwards and makes the play at or around
the line of scrimmage. Then they false start and we
turn a post route free, but Jordan Love misses it.
And this is what we're talking about when we talk
about getting teams behind the chains long down in distances.
You can force them into mistakes like the Dolphins did
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on this pass from Jordan Love. To.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
I think it was.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Christian Watson at that point of the game. He had
gotten behind the post safety and he was open, but
Jordan Love missed him. And then it's third and long
and Chop and Sealer team up for the sandwich shot
on Jordan Love. It's a sack fumble at kalay as
Campbell recovers, but replay assists turns it back over the
Packers because his hand was just barely coming forward on
that release throw, and it was the right call. I
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agree with it, but it just it's I mean, we'll
talk about this morn as we go along, but it
seems like every time the Dolphins get their hands on footballs,
it just doesn't wind up going in their favor, except
for the Tyreek Hill touchdown, which we'll cover that here
in just one second. But the game seemed to really
turn when Maleak Washington put the ball on the ground
on the first pump return of the game.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
He muffs it.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
They recovered the nine yard line. Just a brutal mistake.
It looked like the wind was blowing pretty hard. It
looked like he had kind of set up at one
position and by the time he's ready to catch the football,
it had blown off a little bit further to his right.
He couldn't get over there in time. The ball hits
his arm and it is now a live ball. The
Packers fall on it, and then three plays later they're
in the end zone on a three yard pass from
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Jordan Love to Jayden Reid. And what a shot that
was from Love to read because it almost looked like
when he let that ball go that Storm Duck was
going to have a chance to pick it off and
go back for six. But the timing on the route
he had it was obviously that you're going to take
a matchup. You know. Storm Duck has played really well,
especially for a guy that's an undrafted rookie. But to
get a matchup one of your top receivers against a
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guy that is a rookie who was, you know, undrafted
out of college, like, that's a matchup you go after.
And they did it a few times in this game,
and Jordan Love made a great throw. It was a
really nice route by Jayden Reid and it's a touchdown.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
You know.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Just a minute and a half into the game, the
Packers are on the board seven nothing, and then the
Dolphins get the ball back and it's like, okay, go
be the offense we've seen for the last five weeks.
But then, as McDaniel mentioned after the game, they revert
back to some of the mistakes that they had gotten
over during this winning streak in this you know, stretch
of really good games. Because it's a five play, negative
three yard drive that covers three minutes and fourteen seconds.
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It starts with a false start. We had had one
pre snap penalty in the last three games combined, and
you get one on the first play of the game.
And then a Chan gets eleven yards in a little
Texas screen route that we have kind of made the
best play on our offense, where eight Chan angles out
wide and then cuts back across the face of the
offensive line and gets an escort of blockers. And then
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we get six more to h Chan on a swing
route and all of a sudden, you've overcome first and fifteen. Okay,
cool Dolphins offense is here. They're ready to rock. We're
going to be in a shootout and we're going to
compete against a really good Packers team. They jump off sides,
we false start right back. Julian Hill was the culprit
on the false start. A one yard eight chan loss,
and we just look disjointed. On the second down play,
we run this fake screen pass that I think was
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supposed to be a fake screen to a draw, but
the running back had gotten out of the out of
Tua's pocket and Tua has to like Tucket and run
around and just eat a sack. Then we get a
personal foul after that play, and it's third and twenty nine.
Just an absolute disaster of a start that cannot happen
in these conditions against that team in a game of
this magnitude. And the Packers paid off with a twelve play,
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seventy six yard drive seven minutes off the clock, capped
off by a one yard Josh Jacob's touchdown run. And
you come into this game without Kendall Fuller. Cater Kohu
takes a wicked shot and again on a ball that
gets tipped up in the middle of the field, and
it looks like he's gonna have a room service pick. Okay,
gonna be right back in this thing with the ball
at midfield, But here comes Christian Watson diving in for
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the past and it folds Cater backwards like a scorpion,
and he can't return to the game after he did
get concleared from concussion protocol or from the concussion test,
I should say, but his back inside hip injury or
oblique injury. I think it was back was the official designation,
but he was kind of holding that and he was
on the bike and he couldn't get back in the game,
so he lose him. They would lose camp Smith later
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on too, so awfully, awfully thin at the cornerback position.
But it just seems like the kind of year where
we can't get those breaks where balls get batted up.
There was the Cardinals game when Kalais Campbell had a
strip sack with the ball bounced right back to Kyler Murray,
just gosh man like. And then the lose a player
at a tough position where you're already thin at that spot.
Brutals start to the game, and then Jordan Love finds
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underneath completions, they get themselves into a third and short,
which they were in quite a lot in this game,
and they get a chip release on Tucker Kraft who
finds a nice little catch and run for a first down,
and he was running guys over Josh Jacobs, running guys over.
Jacobs had eight touches in the first fifteen plays, and
I felt like that kind of set a tone for
the Packers, and they flashed a good stat in the
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game where Josh Jacobs had eighty touches in the first
quarter this year. It's the most by any player in
any quarter of this of the game this year in
the NFL, And it seems like he's kind of their
tone center and they have this run game they build
off of Josh Jacobs, and it's an interesting dichotomy compared
to other teams in the Shanahanan Tree. Now Sean McVay
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has gotten Kyron Williams and knows kind of the same
thing there, but different strokes for different folks with regards
to how to attack this thing. And Jacobs has been
a nice fine for that Packers' offense. They get themselves
in a third and fourth a plus twenty two and
Tyrell Dotson came down, tried to scrape behind this Kalais
Campbell slant inside and they wind up like picking each
other off and Dodson got caught on that block and
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it's a fourteen yard run for Jacobs. Then he pushes
the pile down to the one inch line and he
finishes off in the end zone despite Bito Jones, who
has made a knack all of a sudden of getting
off the line scrimmage first and he tackled the quarterback
at the mesh point and Jacob scores on that play.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
So just some more bad luck there.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Fourteen nothing Packers have an early lead and then Miami
takes it down the field and they drive it all
the way down for a field goal.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Unfortunately, twelve plays fifty five.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Yards they kicked the thirty three yard field goal, took
over seven minutes off the clock, and I wrote down
the alec Ingold drive, which, by the way, the alec
Ingole feature on halftime was really really cool to see.
What a cool person, what a cool family, and what
a cool moment it was for him to come back
home to play at lambeau Field for the first time
in his career. But he made back to back catches,
had one big run after the catch on one of
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those plays. Then he wipes out the edge and clears
this big lane for Devon a Chan for a twelve
yard run along with Julian Hill, and then after a
run and swing to eight chance third and six at
the plus twenty seven and Tyreek Hill gets two yards
on a drag, but we go forward on a fourth down,
but it's a delay of game. Now we kick it
and the ball goes through from forty eight yards, but
they were off sides, so we put the offense back
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on the field, and then fourth and four to what
starts doing what I thought he did a good job
of all night long, getting through progressions and really allowing
that when he did have good pass protection, allowing it
to kind of take hold and stay in that pocket
and dissect the defense and pick his spots. And on
that particular rap, I thought tron Arms had had a
great block on an island in one on one pass protection,
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where other parts of the night he couldn't get to
the edge quick enough for some of those kingsley in Ingbari,
I think that's how you say it rushes around the edge,
and so up and down night for Tistad, But on
this one I thought he had a really good block
and to a layers over the middle of the field,
hook linebacker and waddle goes for sixteen yards, but then
devon a Chan takes a quick jet sweep and loses
six yards right away, and the next two throws are
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short checkdowns that never have a chance kick the field
goal packers up fourteen to three, and then they punt
it back to you four play. Twenty seven yard drive
takes two minutes off the clock, and Jayden Reid took
an end around into our crashing edge, and it goes
back to what I said about eye discipline. They pulled
away from us, or they pulled us away from the
edge on that particular play with run fake action to
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the other side, and it becomes this big play right
away from the snap, like once they gave him the ball,
you could see Miami got out of their fits, out
of their their gaps, and he takes it around the
edge for what's going to be a big play, but
then he slips multiple tackles and turns it into a
twenty three yard game, like ten more yards than it
would have been. We tighten up on first and second
down with a Quintin Bell checkdown tackle and a Zach
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Sealer run stuff, and then one of these big plays
in the game a third and six, and the Dolphins
dial up single high safety coverage with man coverage underneath,
and Saran Neil gets put in a big spot in
a big coverage rep and they sim pressure and force
a quick throw and he gets the arm around the
backside and breaks it up and the Dolphins get the
ball back down by just eleven points here and they
take the drive four plays, twelve yards, three and a
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half minutes off the clock. It starts at the five
yard line. The Packers lineup off side to begin the series,
and then Tua hits that turkey hole shot to Raheem
Moster where he gets the gap between the cornerback and
the safety against Cover two. Takes that big hit in
the back, but hangs on to it on a ball
that was up off of his frame for fourteen yards.
Then we get a holding call for first and twenty.
It just felt like those games in the past where
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it was one step forward, two steps back, and it
really makes me appreciate the clean nature of football Dolphins
played for the last month plus, because you know, as
good as this team in offense has been for the
last three years, this has been the primary bugaboo, right
is the pre snap errors that the holding calls, the
little mistakes that add up over the course of a
game that puts you behind the change and force you
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into a certain type of game script.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
That's what happened in this game.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
And then Tua does find John neu Smith for fifteen
yards and I wrote down here he looks comfortable. He's
playing within himself, he's playing patient, he's taking what's there.
Now the clock winds under five minutes, and I wrote down,
this needs to be last possession of half, hopefully with
a touchdown.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
But it didn't go that way.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
As on the second downplay two, it takes a sack
where the pressures kind of caved in around him, and
that was kind of how the five sacks went in
this game. They would just basically collapse the pocket from
all angles and he wouldn't have any escape hatches. I
thought he threw really well on the move in this game,
stepping up off of his spot, attacking the lane of
scrimmage and throwing down the field with eyes up as
he attacks the land scrimmage. So that was good to
see from the quarterback once again. And then on third
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and eight he got sacked once again. I thought Armstead
was either late out of his stance or didn't really
you know, maybe didn't know the snap count because the
ang barie I think I'm saying that right, kings Lambari
had an uncontested run off that left side for two
and just dumped him because it was right there for him.
So the Packers get it back and they take it
down the field. Jaden Reid eleven yard touchdown reception from
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Jordan Love six plays sixty two yards, took a minute
and a half, and Chris Brooks hits a big run,
slipping tackles of Emmanuel Ogbaugh and Javon Holland for eighteen
yards two minute warning, and then DeShawn not DeShawn, Christian
Watson has a twenty one yard catch, turning camp Smith
around on the play that he was also flagged for
defensive pass interference. Then, on third and two at the
plus twelve yard line, Dolphins took two timeouts trying to
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get the football back, trying to hold a field goal.
You can make it seventeen to three. You can get
the ball back with a couple minutes to play. Maybe
you go score some points, get the ball back at halftime.
But that's not what happened. They run the little flat
reb route, read turns it up and goes in for six.
Twenty one to three. Miami drives it down into Packer territory.
On the next drive, eight plays thirty two yards and
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it was a to scramble and then a hook up
to John Smith to move the chains, then right back
to Johnny Smith for ten more yards, and you had
one time out left in plus territory and forty five
ticks on the clock and Tua has Tyrek on the dig.
And this was the two plays that I thought Tua
just like flat out missed on the night. He had
Tyreek on this dig and he layers this throw and
it came off kind of weird, and Seth and OJ
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and I were talking about in the post game show,
I feel like maybe he saw something in his periphery
that changed his mind mid mid throwing motion, because he's
thrown that pass to ik Kill going back to OTAs
of twenty twenty two to now a million times and
I've seen that throw a million times in training camp
or OTAs or games. You know, they hit that route
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all the damn time. And this particular time that he
like layers it opposed to throwing the ball on the line,
which he always does, and it goes high off of
his hands, and it looked like he had a catch
and run that could have gone for a pretty big
play after that, and you know, Jason Garrett even mentioned
like they make this pitch and catch in their sleep.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
It was just kind of weird. And then eight Chan
runs for five yards.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
They call time out thirty one seconds, third and five
at the thirty eight yard line and Malik gets hit
on the on the numbers catches it. They jar the
ball free, so it's fourth down and Tua has Devon
a Chan down the middle once again for an open
dig and he shoots it high and it was wide open.
And he mentioned it in the pros game press conference
that he just made a bad throw on the play,
So you know, it's it's like these airrors add up
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and then the quarterback misses a couple of throws and
things can snowball and get away from you because the
Packers take the ball from that position, go four plays
thirty four yards and they get them also a field
goal right at the end of the half to make
it twenty four to three. And at that point in
the game, it felt like I had slipped away from you.
But the Dolphins had other thoughts because they did play
hard in that third and fourth quarter and at least
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made it interesting.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
At certain points of the game.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Late we'll come back and tell you how they did
that in the second half of this game Drivetime podcast,
your host Travis Wingfield, brought to you by Auto Nation.
So just a really difficult start to the first half
of the Miami Dolphins, who get the ball back to
begin the second half, and you can see the snow
flurries are falling down at Lambeau Field. It looks like
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a dream night, especially for Packers fans at this point.
And the Dolphins take the ball and go three and
now it's it's you know, Tyreek had on the play,
had a tough three yard catchway to fight with Isaiah
McDuffie just to make the catch. And then Julian Hill
catches a ball in traffic and then it gets us
a third and three, but we cannot get off the
snap and it's a false start or rather a delay
a game, i should say. And then Tua I thought
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was a little bit late on a throw to Obj
in the middle of the field and it goes incomplete.
So those two drives basically put the Packers in a
position to you know, put the game not away, but
really take it in the wrong direction for the Dolphins,
and they did that with an eight play, seventy two
yard field goal drive that took five more minutes off
the clock. So the Dolphins defense just really struggled to
get off the field in this game, and the offense
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early on couldn't put together much of a drive, you know,
for the whole first half and into that third quarter.
But this one, they hit a deep shot to Christian Watson.
Why do I want to keep saying the wrong name? There?
They get a it's a one on one look against
storm Duck once again, and you know, like it reminds
me of the Chanting Crowder podcast from the Fish Tank
way back when when he said, like I was in
the field with you know, Zach Thomas and Junior Sea,
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like where do you think the ball is gonna go
crowd or it's going to go to you? And so
when you have this many injuries and you have Jalen
Ramsey out there, of course I'm going to avoid Jaalen Ramsey.
And on this particular play it was one on one.
You know, you're down Kendall Fuller, you're down Cater Kohu,
you're down Cam Smith. They take a one on one
against you know, Watson against Duck and they hit it
for a deep vertical shot, then back to Jacob's running
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over people. It gets a fifteen yard play on a
screen and then third and a mile. Jayden Reid makes
that sick one and then catch to put him down
inside the ten yard line. They would not go for it.
They kick a field goal and make it twenty seven
to three at that point in the game. Then the
Dolphins get their best drive of the night, an eight
play seventy yard drive that takes five minutes off the
clock and it is converted on a fourteen yard pass
from Tua to Devon e Cham and then a two
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yard pass from Tua to Wattle for the two point conversion.
And Raheem Moster opens this drive by popping a big run,
but tyreek Hill has a holding call on the outside
twenty six yards, comes all the way back for just
two yards first and eight. They push it into plus territory.
They get stuffed on third and inches for a loss,
and then fourth and one more pressure, but two of
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steps up and fires over the middle of the field
for a big chunk of sixteen yards to John new Smith,
and then they have the Texas little screen route that
we'd love so much for Devon ah Chan for his
sixth red zone receiving touchdown of the season. We hit
that play for scores all the time. It looked easy
on this one. Then we get the amazing catch and
throw from Tua to Wattle to make it a sixteen
point game, and you've got some life this stage of
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the game. Twenty seven to eleven, and Oj kept saying,
just give me the stop in the third quarter and
it's gonna be a ball game again. And they get
ten yards on the first play, throwing to storm Duck
once again, who dang near pick six this one. He
jumped it and was just a beat behind that throw
from a very strong armed quarterback. And then Ramsey bats
a pass as a blitzer and once again, this ball
gets deflected right up into the air between him he
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and Chop Robinson and they can't find it before it
hits the grounds. Like you know, if that's a pick
and you're down by sixteen, the offense is rolling at
this point, or just have their best drive, I should say,
and you get a turnover and plus territory.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
These are the kind of things that can change games.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
A muff punt at the nine yard bund can change games, right,
and they just seem to be this year. For whatever reason,
those breaks haven't gone our way. But we did get
a stop on a three play sequence that included a
one yard stuff on Josh Jacobs or Benito Jones and
Zax either come through on the third down to make
that stop.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
So Miia gets the ball back. They drive it.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Twelve plays, seventy five yards, six minutes. It's another dig
to off play pass at Tyreek Kill for thirteen yards.
It just it started to look like the team I
thought we were gonna see in terms of how this
offense matched up against the Packers defense, and you saw
it in the second half of the game. And then
Tua another great drive off of his drop in a
muddy pocket, throws off platform and finds Tyreek Hill for
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twenty four more yards. It's third and six and they
heat up Tua and he throws hot to Obj with
my probably my favorite tu A throw of the night
was that slant to Obj on third and six. It
was anticipatory, it was, you know, with pressure in his face.
It took a big shot and it moves the chains
on a down they had to have it on Tua
goes back to Wattle for ten more yards. That fake toss,
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you know, they run that fake toss, they throw the
ball to the little seam route. On this one, they
faked the toss, faked the seam route, and then came
back to the backside and Wattle got open on the backside.
Thought that was cool play, sequencing eight nine yards down
to the one yard line, and all of a sudden,
it's second in goal at the one yard line and
you're down by sixteen and it's like ten minutes to
play in the game. But on third and goal, Tua
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almost gets picked on a little fake play action peel
back to John Smith. They were not fooled at all.
And then on fourth and goal to a good sacked
And if you look at the replay of that fourth down,
it was a bunch of man or like you know,
routes against man coverage where they all came back to
the quarterback and then we're kind of stagnant and there
was just nowhere to go with the football, and so
he takes the sack and the game kind of goes
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back into the direction. The Packers have a nine play,
seventy eight yard field goal drive where Saran Neil gets
hit for a big holding call on third down, and
they close it out with a big We'll not close
it out, but the Josh Jacobs forty nine yard catch
and run where he broke a couple tackles and kind
of made us look silly out there on that play.
That was where it kind of fe like the back
had been broken. We do get a stop in the
low red zone, but their field goal makes it a
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nineteen point game with five minutes to play, thirty to eleven,
and then the Dolphins got a quick touchdown drive, a
seven play, two minute drive that covers sixty seven yards,
and Tua just kept taking the reals hit the Packers
were giving him, you know, explosive Tyreek play, that nice
corner route to John new Smith, then the deflected lucky
touchdown pass that Tua had. Tua now has thirteen touch
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downs in one pick since he came back from injury,
and that's fifteen touchdowns to four picks on the year,
so he's having a very good statistical season. We did
not get the two point conversion, so it's thirty seventeen.
The two teams swap drives late and the score goes
unchanged a thirty seventeen finals, So tough, tough, tough game man.
Tough to see these games go this direction, especially so
(21:20):
early on, especially after a defensive stop and the muff
punt to give it back to the Packers right away
like that. So let's go ahead and take a last
break right there and make it short and sweet. Do
five takeaways and get the heck out of here. Drive
time podcast, your host Travis Wingfield, brought to you by
Auto Nation. Let's go ahead and get to the five
takeaways from the Dolphins thirty seventeen loss and try to
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be instructive about what it means going forward for this
football team. In the first one is that a disaster
opening in a big game sets the tone and the
whole thing rolls downhill from there. It's just frustrating as hell,
is it? Not? Like horrible kick coverage to start the game?
You muff a punt that you shouldn't have even been
near because you didn't have it tracked. You had three
(22:02):
penalties on the opening drive. Offensively, like, what did we
prepare for all week? If that's what we're gonna look
like coming out of the gates? Also, how to play
where the handoff wasn't there on a play where two
I just tried to basically give it to the running
back and then had to fold in the pocket. You
punt it back to the packers, drive it, and they
drive it seventy five yards. Just gut punch after gut
punch and extremely exhausting to relive this nightmare in these spots,
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like Bill Murray in freaking Groundhog's Day. Dude, every single
time we get into one of these games, the moment
seems to get too big for these guys, and they
seem to play their smallest in these biggest games. And
we discussed this at length in the postgame show about
how like, how do you fix this, how do you
move on from this?
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Or how do you get better than this?
Speaker 1 (22:44):
And whether you want to say it's culture, whether it's
auditioned by subtraction, I don't know what it is. But
it's frustrating because when it's x's and o's, I can
tell you what went wrong and how to fix it
and where to make it right.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
But when it's like this, it's just gosh.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Man. We see so many big football games around the lead,
and you see these teams win these big games and
it's a celebration and they get to have so much fun.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
When the hell is it gonna be our turn?
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Man? Like I want to win one of these big
games where it's like, oh, the Dolphins are legit, Like
we've been crowned legit because of seventy point performances. Or
you know, the Cowboys win last year. I think it
wasn't really the crowning moment, but gosh, it just goes
us way too often, and despite good quarterback performances, Like
I can think about the Buffalo game last year where
Tua had you know, two touchdowns to match Josh Allen
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in the first quarter, or this year against Buffalo and
Tua went up and down the field against Josh Allen,
or the Baltimore game early on, Tuoa had back to
back drives down the field and Tyreek Hill drops a
touchdown catch and then he has that big fourth down throw,
and like, we're competing against these teams then just cannot
quite get out of our own way. Mistakes add up,
the quarterback makes one or two mistakes, and then it's
snowballs and then things just get off the rails from there.
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Like I'm just so damn tired of the same movie,
and it's the early start, the first quarter of the
opening drive. It always goes that way, and you can
just sense it, Like all day long, I'm telling my wife, like,
they match up so good against this Packers team, but
for some reason, I cannot shake the feeling that we're
gonna go to this game and we're gonna get rocked.
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And that's why I didn't pick the Dolphins and to
win the game, because I thought they matched up really well,
but I just inherently knew better. Now, I didn't know
better than to pick thirty one points for the Dolphins.
That was way off, but I just knew better, and
I'm tired of knowing better. I want to be able
to be ignorant and be joyous and have fun with
this stuff.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
And it's not fun when you can't win these games.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Takeaway number two, it just snowballs from the bad start, Dude,
I would love to know the mechanics behind this or
what contributes to it. Like all the takeaways are gonna
be about errors, and that's kind of how it goes
when you get blown out.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Right.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
We went down thirty one to fourteen in that Week
four Buffalo game last year, and That was why I
talked about to he matched them early, but once they
didn't score on offense, it was like, oh, we can't
get a stop on defense. Game got away from us.
You went down fourteen early to Philadelphia. You went down
twenty one zip to the Chiefs and made it a
game late. They always make it the game, not not always.
Sometimes they make it a game late and then they
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you know, the Ravens game. I don't talk about details
that one because I just just proves the entire point
I just tried to make. But ah my gosh, it
is just so disheartening to shoot yourself in the foot
this way. Three penalties offensively after a muff punt and
a bad kickoff return, and then multiple mis tackles, and
then the quarterback starts making the mistakes on the two
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high throws to Wreak an eight Chan and the mist
to Obj. You know, perhaps that's the difference between twenty
one to ten and twenty four to three. If two
it makes those throws, maybe it's not, but we remove
the possibility of knowing that by missing throws that we
hit in our damn sleep, two winds up having a
very strong night. But we couldn't find our third down magic.
We bogged down in the red zone a couple of times,
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and where the hell is the running game? That's probably
the bigger takeaway here. What happened to the running game?
It went away with Austin Jackson's absence, and that's that's
what it's been. We know the guards aren't going to
be smoking guys off the football. We know Brewers not
like the most powerful center in the league, and we
know that Kendall Lamb's not Austin Jackson, but like they
were running the ball pretty damn good four weeks ago
and it's completely gone right now. So that's probably the
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bigger takeaway for number two. Number three is the tackling
was do doo. That's a takeaway and this has been
a theme in bad games this year. Tonight was especially bad,
as Jacobs had his second most broken tackles in a
game this year. He has his highest average yards after contact.
Jayden Reid broke four tackles as a wide receiver. These
are all stats cursy of next Gen stats. By the way,
after a turnover on downs and in the first half,
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Ramsey misses a tackle on a short throw to Craft
where he runs him over and just kept on going
from there.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
They showed the graphic with two.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Forty three to play in the third quarter, and they
had thirteen miss tackles that produced an extra seventy five yards,
and it ended up being seventeen miss tackles for like
eighty two yards, which I think that number is off.
I think it's like one hundred and twenty five yards
because they didn't give all of the yards to Jacobs
on that catch and run tackle, so you missed three
on that one play alone. It's fifty yards after the catch,
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So seventeen for one to twenty five, Like, you're not
going to be anybody with that production.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Number four.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Special teams have been awful forever, Like what the hell
are we doing with this special team? To dude? Two
plays into the game for them and you're the kickoff
return that goes forty six yards and then a muff
punt that they recover at the nine after a spirit
had stopped to get that thing going in the right direction.
In big games in a short week, these are the
kind of things that burn you, and that's what happened tonight.
Malik gets a nice little return on the next punt,
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return and we hold and take it back to the
five yard line. So hidden yard is not going our way,
and it's just a tough way to beat a good
team on a short week. My fifth takeaway is that
John wu Smith is awesome, but he might have made
this kind of instructive for us here in some ways.
So I saw a tweet that mentioned that the Dolphins
have a profile issue on offense about how like Reek
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and Waddle and eight Chan are all kind of the
same body builds, but John new Smith is different and
in the game like this, in poor conditions and poor elements.
I mean, it wasn't that bad, but it was cold.
He goes for one hundred yards and like John, who's
the one outlier? And you know, eight Chan's getting carries
on second and goal from the one yard over a
big powerful Rareheem Moster or Jeff Wilson who you activated,
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or Jalen Wright, who I understand got the benching because
of the fumble he had. Like it goes both ways,
but shouldn't Raheem have gotten some more looks in those spots,
like a Chan kind of goes backwards when he gets
hit and when you have one yard to go who
needs the speed man?
Speaker 2 (28:18):
And then for the play style of it all.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
This is where I continue to like question my entire
existence with this stuff, because I find myself wondering is
this a winning formula in these games? Or is it
a toughness thing? Or maybe Deshaun Elliott was right and
you can't win down here because of all the lifestyle
distractions or how great the weather is and how you
can't acclimate on the road. Like, I don't know, dude,
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I'm just tired. I don't think this changes anything for
these next few games. I still think they have a
good chance to run the table. But then what does
that mean a primetime type of game in a playoff
game right where you're the only team on and this team,
like again, the bigger the moment gets, the smaller they play,
and it's so frustrating, and they show up in a
game where they had to have it or didn't have
to have it. But like, you could have really confirmed
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what we thought about you the last three weeks. But
you have seven team missed tackles, ten penalties, special teams
errors all over the place. You have five sacks allowed.
You don't have a sack the other time that's the
story of the game. It's not an individual. Maybe I
just talked myself out of the play style conversation because
I'm thinking about like, this is a team that prides
itself on speed on offense, and the skill players are
all speed guys, and the offensive line plays a speed
and maybe maybe Tron Armstead couldn't get loose night because
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he's banged up and it was a short week and
it was cold. Like, I just don't understand how we
can play so poorly in such big spots so frequently,
because when it's the ex's and o's, I can solve that.
I can tell you guys, here's what we have to do,
and I'm sure we're gonna beat the ever living piss
out of the New York Jets. But I just don't
have the answer for the intangible, and that's like above
my pay grade.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
I guess, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Maybe it's maybe we just have to see it play
out more to have more information to you know, go
into this thing next year, and then maybe we just
can avoid I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Let's call a podcast right there.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
You all enjoy your holiday weekend, try to figure about
the Dolphins for a couple of days, and we'll come
back next week and do it all over again. Well,
the twenty two All twenty two podcasts will be out tomorrow,
but I understand if you don't want to hear that,
or if you don't want to hear this podcast. Happy Thanksgiving.
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